Dynasty Warriors 3 Complete Edition Remastered announcedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPBxiZlyk0o [Embed]>Origins reveal trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU48saHVmh4 [Embed]>Abyss - Launch Trailerhttps://youtu.be/jn238X1UXoU?si=Yzz2RFhh_fDPOR2B [Embed]>Pirate Warriors 4 - Character Pass 3 Trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmuIMbnHYo4 [Embed]>Hyrule Warriors: Age of Imprisonment Trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3kGASsFqQI [Embed] Pastebin for newcomers: https://pastebin.com/Gq3pxGqcRecommended Reading: https://pastebin.com/15wPQWNSPS2 game mods: https://pastebin.com/J96YhRu8>New to the Musou-verse?The musou genre is expansive so this is a quick terms rundown, but see the newcomer pastebin for more information.>Dynasty Warriors - the original, mainline series based on the Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel>XL / Xtreme Legends - essentially expansions for DW games>Empires - a light strategy DW spin-off, you conquer & manage territory instead of following a story>Samurai Warriors - DW, but based on Japan's history>Warriors Orochi - Crossover between DW & SW>Romance of the Three Kingdoms - an epic novel, telling a romanticized version of historical events>There's multiple other IP spin-offs with Musou gameplay, including One Piece and Zelda.>Romance of the Three Kingdoms - A series of video games set in China during the fall of the Han Empire.YouTube channels covering the 3 kingdoms real history and the Dynasty Warriors / Musou games.https://www.youtube.com/@SeriousTriviahttps://www.youtube.com/@Klogaloushttps://www.youtube.com/@TheNightowlGaminghttps://www.youtube.com/@KoeiKollectionhttps://www.youtube.com/@ChrisGildart/https://www.youtube.com/@LightyTheNube/
>>544670372oh come on I cleaned the embed how did a 2nd one sneak in? bah. Well eitherway threads up. Try not to let it die again this time? that's twice ive made the thread (dammit I really thought I removed the embed properly).
We had an all hands meeting at work because of the recent massive internet outages and I wasn't around to bump the thread...
Why is Dong Bai so popular?
>>544670723its all good anon I slept through it or i'd have bumped it again. >>544671642goth loli brat with hints of domanatrix in her sends all the wierdos into a certain type of tizzy
Father, let me have the bumpfront!
Has any one been playing rotk lately? I was for a bit but kind of dialed it back a bit. was goofing off with things in rotk13 and changing history a tiny bit with a few things I did.
>>544682967I've been trying some officer playthroughs of X, though I find it's yet another game where if you keep events on Cao Cao just steamrolls any scenario in 194 or later
>>544686954sadly yeah that's how it goes down almost every time. you can do things to offset it a bit but its how it goes. in rotk7/8 (and 1-4) you can if playing the pc versions use exile and play as multiple rulers and sometimes I have him go into exile with no officers and move him to a faaaaar location out of the way and settle him with nothing and than cpu him again. ive only done it a few times but yeah unless you play as him forget it past 194.
hmm... I should probably look over my officers and see who I have and who's connected to who.
Might as well post those here, for people who are curious about what the fuck is going on behind the scenes especially on that one map.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMcAn6Z25AE(Effect of attack/defense boosting items and the drums on off-screen ally performance)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRWjH0lMs8U(testing raw ATK/DEF differences)tl;dr Having more attack than defense in DW3 makes your allies survive more.Having more defense than attack makes our allies die fasterThe fastest time possible for all your army to drop at Yiling in Very Hard is around 1 minute and 30 seconds, the longest time is over 40 minutes, although those are only achievable with really large differences not seen in normal gameplay.If you equipped the tortoise amulet it was your fault all along.
>>544692784>Having more attack than defense in DW3 makes your allies survive more.>Having more defense than attack makes our allies die fasterwhat the fuck
>>544692937Indeed.
>>544692784I just learned this last night. the atk and def items make the enemy stronger. I tested it by codebreaking both items to be +99. massive increase in difficulty. yiling was wild with how fast everyone dropped and how tough all the enemies were. even soldiers were way tougher now. And I tested it on assault on we territory since liu yong goes down so quick so often and the whole map everyone got wiped a ton quicker with the +99 atk and def equipped. this is even on the easiest settings the enemies are much tougher. I than enabled the 7 flag mod (basically the map plays as if its a 7 flag difficulty) and holy shit forget it. I mean you can win but the enemies just take forever. even zhang jiaos peasant mountain village stage the peasants couldnt do shit to those pathetic lt and the commander. basically DONT use atk + def up items or the game will get harder. use the charge flask which DOESNT add to the diffIculty and adds more damage to your charge attacks. no penalty like atk or def items do.
>>544693585The real redpill is that tortoise amulet causes the infamous DW3 archers as well. Genuinely the most fucked up item in the game.They get more attack but you don't get more bow defense without another item or weapon stat.
>>544693585Does the Nanman Armor trigger it too?
>>544695227Not him but.It only uses your Attack and Defense stats, if they aren't getting boosted directly by weapon stats/tiger/tortoise then it doesn't count. About using the items in general, the idea is that they work well on early stages cause the enemies have lower bases and the scaling depends on that, so you will outpace the enemy buffs. High flag stages are the wild ones.Also enemies are always stronger than allies except bodyguards and playing on Easy mode so this >>544692937 is always a thing
Also props to this guy.If it wasn't for the game being coded to make subofficers retreat when the general is defeated, he can always survive the longest. Possibly because he didn't forget to make his troops actually fight before charging the enemies with only him and his bodyguards.
>>544697763Ha there's a mod to keep subofficers from fleeing and that guy is a consistant issue in wan fight.
Time is a flat circle.
>>544695993So the optimum setup is Herbal Remedy, Elixir, and all the other things that aren't raw Attack or Defence?
I'm in a wierd mood I want to play the games for different reasons. dw3xl because its awesome and I can play as generics and npcs and have tons of work to do, dw4xl and dw5xl for extreme mode. dw5e for empires and some of the fun of it. dw8xl to grind out characters and unlock stages and dw8e to beat everyone up in raids over and over until someone else just strolls in and takes over. also dw9 since im grinding everyone out in the last stage on the hardest difficulty using the cheese koei left in of sniping with bows for instakills and being able to go from level 1 to 70 in 30 minutes of sneaking and sniping in bandit areas and I wanna push some people to that spot to goof off on easy at high levels. welp thanks koei for making so many games to fuck around in,
>>544711929Yeah dont use atk or def item. the item that adds + to charge is good as it doesnt increase difficulty.
>>544712271
Appearently I am the only musou player up at 2 am range
>>544711929For stages like Yiling it would be highest attack possible vs lowest defense possible. This is kinda easy to achieve actually because the weapons are always giving you attack, if you put on the tiger amulet you are getting a little more, and if your character hasn't maxed out defense you might find yourself at the 150/75 difference.Going all the way to keeping defense at minimum is dangerous, but it's ideal to not ever use tortoise amulet.
what do we expect for DW3 remastered
>>544742318Same playable cast and maps as DW3XL but there might be DLC additionsMovesets that have similar animations but longer range/damageI feel like Sho does care about the older fans so he might sneak in enemies who are more aggressive to placate them, but not every single enemy because obvious reasonsArchers are confirmed still powerful so they will do more damage than DW8 at least. Might not do the same as DW3 thoIndividual unit morale stars are brought back but might not work exactly like it did in DW3, namely because if it did you could take off 2 stars from an unit with a single square string due to the higher amount of troops on screen at the same time/higher range on weapon. As a result, maps will be less scripted like the older gamesBig maybe the courage system from Origins gets ported. Bodyguards were mentioned as a notable feature from DW3 so you can pray they will actually be back. I have no idea, but come the fuck on, it's not DW3 without that.
Zhang Fei doesn't give a fuck about the morale system and survives the entire map at 0. While kicking and screaming for reinforcements every second an enemy approaches him, but still.I have more attack than defense by the way.
Ok then.
>>544744624>>544745787Is there anything to track individual officers getting stat boosts? Like Wu's Yiling Gang. I reckon there's a mechanic similar to the courage arrows in Origins, but it's hidden in 3.
>>544746381Unfortunately the only way would be knowing the memory addresses of enemy officer stats on a given map, then try to start the map with different Attack/Defense player stats and see how they change.
Stop dying while I'm about to beat DW3 Zhuge Liang's musou mode on hard.It's fucking over either way.
>>544744624I wonder how much this discovery would make Very Hard easier on most stages. Once you're past the 2nd stage or so in someone's musou mode it ramps up in difficulty and a lot of the later stages get particularly hard because of how fast your allies go down
>>544766901There are 5 factors to keep in mind to save your allies:>individual morale, an unit can only be fully defeated by an enemy with higher morale>whether the commanding officer is directly involved in a fight, the troops will meat shield them in most maps(not Yiling for Shu or Hefei for Yuan Shao)>whether the unit they are fighting has subofficers approaching the target general, enemy troops are weaker than named characters even off-screen>how many enemy units have engaged an ally unit in a fight, this is actually beneficial for you because if you clip them, whoever was involved in a fight will get a morale boost>player attack/defense difference as seen aboveAlso never forget that if the player character is somebody who appears in the stage normally, for instance at WZP earlier the enemies can't really do much if you are playing Zhuge Liang yourself, and if they try to rush your main camp most likely they will be at 8 stars and actually kill them. I managed to make them get Zhen Ji off screen.
>>544671642Thank you for all the BASED bros out there in the world who voted for my wife Lianshi. I hope she gets her incredible DW7 outfit.Also, glad to see that she's popular in the entire world, not just in one region.
>>544694734>The real redpill is that tortoise amulet causes the infamous DW3 archersWell I guess I'm never bringing the tortoise amulet again
>>544671642>Yu Jin somehow makes it in despite Bao Sanniang ranking overall higher (2/10/5 versus 5/4/7)I'm guessing they just wanted to balance it and have the update be 2 men and 2 women, instead of one big waifufest.
>>544779697It was me, Koei knows Yu Jin is my favorite character in DW8 and are doing this for me
For those who still wonder about who's the better sisterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHIA7Q93ocQ>some of them aren't even fighting, just running towards the door for some reason>still win
>>544788927kek that was horrible. 5 on 1 and other stuff. funny watch for sure. Im still going to grind xiao qiao and love her in my own unique ways
>>544798127What else does she need anyway? I thought she was maxed out and you got the 4th weapon, so only the 5th one? It might not even be worth it to be fair.
>>544798763oh no I have to work on her in various games. I have her level 85 in dw9 now and she's my 2nd highest level next to Wang Yun. So ive been working on her in dw8xl/dw8e (empire runs with her and grabbing her sis and raiding armies to death so others can just walk in and take over is fun). And I have to max her in dw4xl/dw5xl/dw4-5e. I also have a game with her in rotk13 saved but that's one of those unsure what to do things. plus I have a bunch of other officers I work on and play and rotate through including some generics and others using the games and mods and playing as them in rotk 7,8,10,13. I am going through musou/rotk overload and so ive been sitting back since yesterday doing other things.
Powerleveling the Dong
>>544808996oh oops wrong photo this is Meng Huo.
Good luck if you think you can break through our defenses!
Fate is against you. You will Die!
Okay these page 10s are a little too fast today
Hello, Omega Force. What is the future of this franchise? Thank you in advance.
This doesn't look good!
>>544825467dead af
>>544845093just like /eagg/
>>544850181oof
>LET NO ONE LIVE
>>544885506He says it as if being alone in DW8 is that much of a huge deal.
>>544825467Unsure, given Koinumu promotion as KT president, Samurai Warriors might need a new lead producer
>>544887351it's not. you can solo almost everything on normal and under with a fresh character and gear.
UP
>coughs up blood
>>544825467Probably on ice. Sho even said if Origins didn't meet expectations it'd be the end of DW which indicates their in-house musou games are on thin ice compared to how much money the licensed ones make. A pitch for a new SW would need to simultaneously not just be an Origins copy as they'd rather just put more money into making DW big again as Origins has given them the chance to, and it also can't just be another bog standard PS3 era musou because they can just do that with Zelda and sell millions of copies in a week
>>544845093>>544887581>>544910880Sad. It died such an unceremonious death with SW5. It didn't even get an XL version. Not to mention SW5 character models weren't even used for Warriors Abyss. Instead, we got SW4 models.
It might be time to take a nap until we get DLC or DW3R news
page 10, home
>>544671642 Xiahouji It should not be in any country's top 10. I feel like Asia that were not understand the problem with using Pocahontas as a love story after seeing this.
>this too is part of my grand plan...>dies
:big think: So this is appearently the consistant visual I get for Lu Bu in chatbots when I send him into stories as him (set his chatbot to me and thus im lu bu). huh I might have to edit his visuals a bit since that is not the look im going for.
>>544910880>which indicates their in-house musou games are on thin ice compared to how much money the licensed ones makeA shame that hackers don't care enough about Koei Tecmo to leak the company's sales and budget data. I would really love to know how much of a budget they typically give their games. Because it always feels like even more expensive endeavors like DWO are given shoestring budgets compared to some of the budgets that big-name western games get. Obviously, I'm not expecting Koei Tecmo games to have the budget of Naughty Dog or Rockstar. But until Koei Tecmo stops being stingy with their budgets (and I genuinely believe they are extremely stingy), then their games will never reach the top echelons of financial success.
>>544969193Playing it safe has kept them afloat thus far so it makes sense. If they have one big misfire it could be a disaster
>>544954339>This is worse than that time I ate a guy's wife!
DADUDU
Just die already
>>544991735>knocks you out>uses a full life recovery item
I don't understand the checkpoints in Origins sometimes.>Eat shit>Last checkpoint was seven minutes ago>But there are two checkpoints within 20 seconds of each other>And another one just a minute before that
>>545004792koei makes many odd choices.>>545004792
>>545004792>>545012601Wait until you read the previous thread, regarding enemy/ally stat scaling in older games based on your own attack and defense.(DW3)
>>545004792I'm not exactly sure what it's reliant on but I think one consistent way to get a checkpoint is by taking a base yourself
>>545004792Checkpoints are almost always based on something important happening in the battle or you taking a base, killing a major officer, etc.
Still pondering the mystery of why Courage is so massively impactful in offscreen Origins battle except for when 2 rank Courage Zhang Liao gets completely destroyed at Hulao Gate by a bunch of 0 Courage officers
>>545049406Doesn't it also have morale?
>>545049642Morale is more of a baseline modifier that affects otherwise even battles more than lopsided ones. Number of officers in a battle also impacts the formula, the more the better. Courage is still the biggest modifier IIRC, an officer on the side with losing morale but 1 Courage still usually beats a 0 Courage officer. 2 and 3 Courage officers almost always demand the player defeat them except for Zhang Liao, who will barely dent a couple 0 Courage officers at Hulao Gate even at even morale before getting wiped out. I almost wonder if they hardcoded that fight somehow.
>>545015329I was in the conversation and posting stuff about it. just learned it in the musou discord earlier that day. Im still in shock learning the atk/def and enemies getting stronger with them on and now im looking at lu bu and his 4th and going huh guess it isnt as grand a weapon as we thought knowing the diff increase thing. that being said no atk/def but a strong +charge flask and bow def helps a ton. and the archers are tons weaker now without ark/def equipped.
>>545048292I'm literally Xun Yu
You know getting chatbot image gens to use older video game graphics are a chore. it LOVES to default to tags and assumes the moment you mention anything retro it needs to have the retro tag and thus it forces it into a style. very annoying trying to get something like the fm-7 to image gen when it keeps trying to go to pixel and other stuff instead due to tags overwriting things.that being said its better than it was last year. in a moment im going to get annoyed though and stop and go play some dw games for a bit. slaughter everyone with lu bu or something.
Which warlord of the 3 kingdoms of China wanted Yes Man the most and which one wanted Yes Man the least?
>>545049406>>545050186I always beeline for Zhang Liao, so I'll try leaving him alone the next time I play Hulao Gate.
>>545070841Least is definitely Cao Cao, he could hire people who previously opposed or slandered him publicly. As long he thinks he can make you work for him and that you have some sort of talent, he's willing to try. We all know how it went for Guan Yu, and he never stopped liking him.Most is probably Zhuge Liang, doesn't really care about anyone's opinion, he formulates the plans and you execute. Don't agree? Get fucked, no matter how talented, virtuous or valuable you are. If the plan fails? It's your fault so get fucked.
>>545072819What about the sun family?
>>545021507Nevermind this definitely wasn't true
Is Origins Changban the closest Koei have ever come to making a playable version of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7Z8r8p17LU
>>545102525>dat guy air attacking in the background
>>545108337I think that's actually Zhao Yun, which gives this picture a 'taken seconds before disaster' vibe for Yuan Shu.
>>545115172kek it is zhao yun. welp, seconds before disaster indeed.
>>545079252Literally wu?Hard to say, it looked like to me Sun family cared more about having people who they can trust but there again they took in Gan Ning who doesn't exactly have the best background.
>>545129873 It's not like the two on things actually related in a good employee of support that you want them to speak their mind because they actually care about your success not just suck it up to you in order to be rewarded or for you to Pat them on that head but to actually do a good job at doing a position of I don't think you're doing the correct cause of accidents in my Lord.
>>545132139not the other guy but I sun sister seller quan sucks. lady xiang didnt get to fly because of him and lui fake virture bei. not white knighting just one of those fuck you both things for being so fake good and bonus fuck you guan yu for being mister honorable and serving a lord who buys woman as property for alliances. blah blah she was fine with it blah blah... was she really? hmm I wonder sometimes.anyways wu sucks, shu sucks, wei sucks, jin sucks, nanman seem ok I guess and basically everone sucks for some reason or another thats looking at the whole of china and how many acted and going wow this time sucked and people sucked, welp off to go bandit in the empires games some more and play as peasant so im not tied to these jackass and their lies and rulerships.
dokibird explaining her dynasty warriors fujo-era while playing origins is actually hilarious, i thought this shit was just a meme but it's really true
>>545079252Quan had a very good eye for talent in his younger years.
>>545138180Wu wasn't that bad for its time period.Personally I would probably want to serve under Liu Biao since he's pretty chill until Lady Cai does her bullshit. Yuan Shao is also not exactly a bad guy, but having Cao Cao as your biggest rival isn't exactly very comforting, even if he would like us to believe his force is way too strong to lose to anyone.
Even Wei loses its luster when you realize how fast Cao Cao's meritocracy degraded not long after he died. A mere 20 years later and the empire under Cao Fang had regressed back to blind adulation and advancement of the Cao family and allies
>>545161014Could say the same about a lot of early stage to late stage three kingdoms, Chibi being an (in)famous cutoff point, even if I think you can at least go as far as We will wipe out the whole Sun clan of Wu!
I'm starting to think this civil war thing isn't fun to live through.
>>545171134You thought the swaths of malnourished peasant rice farmers being mowed down wasn't historically accurate?
>>545161014A genuine meritocracy simply cannot flourish under a dynasty or monarchy.
>>545184352You say this, but maybe just this one time, for real, it'll work. I've got a good feeling that we've cracked the code.
>>545185790How does the Mongol Empire's long list of conquests and invasions spanning over 160 years constitute a "war"?
>>54518579034 million KOs....
>>545072819When you disobey Zhuge Liang's orders you get Jieting.>>545161014Completely untrue. If anything Cao Fang's reign was the exact turning point when the military theater appointments stopped going to Cao clan members. During Cao Pi's reign the military appointments of the southern, western, and eastern fronts had gone to Cao Ren, Cao Zhen, and Cao Xiu.
