Left it a little too far into page 10, ah well.

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I love these little bugs so much.

I can't imagine even bothering with Steel Soul. Without a Godhome to practice, I know I'd die to some rando boss hours into it.

I love this game so much

>>544710951
thats the initial thought all people have but if you do 3-4 runs and get good at the game you start to see that the only real challenge of steelsoul is act 1 survival in certain spots.

>>544707706
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET ACT 3

>>544710536
I like it when the flying ones go UWA

>>544710536
they're fun to parry

>>544718485
Keep doing a bunch of shit and talking to the guy in Songclave

>>544710951
You can just save a quit and failing that use save deletion into cloud restore cheeze to get your file back
Me I just backed up my save every 3 hours of play.

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What's your favourite silk skill?

>>544720153
Never used Silk Spear because every use I find for it Thread Storm does better. Always forget I have Cross Stitch, but sounds like something I'd only uses on some bosses. I'm trying it now on Shakra and I can't pull it off.

>>544720153
Sharpdart>Cross Stitch>>>Pale Nails>Silkstorm>Silkspear>>>>>>>>Rune Rage

>>544720153
>Sharpdart > Cross stitch > Silkspear = Thread Storm > Pale Nails > Rune Rage
Don't hate Pale Nails, I just find it boring to use compared to the other silk skills even if it's good. And it's hard to effectively use Rune Rage.

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Do you believe in a Pale King DLC?

>>544720153
Pale Nails is the easiest to work in but Cross-Stitch is stylish so I'll go with that.

>>544707706
Would endgame Hornet be able to beat the endgame Knight? No shadelord.

>>544722883
They both beat a Higher Being but Knight can canonically beat theirs when she ascended to an even higher tier of power after murdering 46 other gods back to back.

>>544722883
I'd still give it to the Knight but it'd be a much closer thing. She's leveled up from a midgame boss to a PV tier boss.

>>544722685
Environmentally, I don't think it fits into Pharloom well at all. PK was conspicuously absent from The Red Memory. It showed her three "mothers" but not her actual father. Curious.

>>544723785
The story of anything diving directly into PK would have to be digging into how Hornet is uncomfortable with the idea of taking a throne.

>>544722883
Hornet by the end of Silksong is objectively far stronger than she was in HK. Lorewise, endgame Silksong Hornet would probably be able to beat all but maybe 2 HK bosses. I imagine it would be close, but the Knight would still win. Gameplay wise? Hornet probably wins due to her being way faster.

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>>544724647
>Gameplay wise? Hornet probably wins due to her being way faster.
Gameplay-wise Knight sweeps.
Hornet's movement speed is great, but I don't think it's enough to overcome the Knight's range capability. Mark of Pride would let his nail outrange pretty much any crest other than shaman, and all of the Knight's spells are significantly better than any silk skill. Plus, Knight has iframes with dash and ddark where Hornet does not.

>>544722883
Knight would still win, but it would probably be close since Hornet is far stronger than she was in HK, to the point where she could probably beat all but 2-3 bosses in HK. I guess we'll see how much the DLCs buff Hornet when they come out.

why is lauren k so perfect

>>544707706
How to get rid of these animations on the screen? The moving images are annoying asf. I like holloween but I can't use the site like this.

oh wow nightmare king grimm is a huge step up from before. Should be a nice challenge

Mount Fey is my vote for most annoying platforming

>>544723785
>
That's because TC are faggots

>>544723785
I think it’s what >>544724221 said, plus the whole “child of three queens” concept that they’ve internally had for Hornet since the beginning. I guess it’s also just that it’s nicer to divide the section into three parts, the same way there are three Dreamers, three parts of the Threefold Melody, and three Old Hearts.

>>544770883
But there are four old hearts
There are however, three snail shamans

>>544720153
Sharpdart lets me feel the comfyness of shade cloak + sharp shadow, although I can't spam it like the knight. Very useful when a boss or a gank of enemies in a gauntlet corner you against a wall.
I want to try the pale nails because I'm a lazy fuck who gladly uses cogflies and other passive tools, but you get it so late in the game that it makes less of an impact.

>>544776387
Wind-up is too goddamn long, you're basically a sitting duck for a second

Am I crazy or is there a delay when using any special? I have full silk and I press R1 to use it and game doesn't even react. Driving me mad

>>544784091
maybe its on your end. some skills do have a slight cast animation though

>>544720153
Cross stitch is extremely cool. But it was hard to use for me at first because it requires NOT getting out of the way of an attack.

>>544720153
Cross stitch, without a doubt. Nothing is better to me than turning an enemies attack back on them. I know it's not the best, but I don't care.

I should be practicing Lost Lace
but if I beat her then I'm done with cumsong

>>544786674
I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, you can play the game again. It doesn't delete itself forever when you beat it.

>>544786875
I'm just not built for replays, brohirrim

>>544786958
okay

>starfield general is more active than the hollow knight general
Bugbros ... is it over ..?

>>544720153
I like silk spear since it's easy to use I guess. Cross Stitch I think is really good; you can block a move with it and/or use it as a panic button.
Never used sharpdart or thread storm.

>>544791153
A lot of people dropped this game.

>>544792468
Is it really "dropping" a game when you've simply finished the content you're willing to do? Currently, 20.7% of Steam players have the Act 3 ending achievement.

I'm wondering which boss to focus down next lads?
1. First sinner
2. Groahl the great
3. Forum gauntlet
4. Cogwork dancers
5. Fire brothers in deep docks
6. The silk guy at the bottom of white ward (forgot his name)
I've been trying to do as much as I can before progressing the main quest so just wondering what a good order would be in terms of difficulty?

>>544791153
Starfield has a general? Didn't that game basically flop compared to expectations?

>>544800742
Firebros > Cogwork > Groal > Unravelled > Gauntlet > First Sinner, from easiest to hardest, in my experience.

>>544800742
If it was me, I'd do:
Cogwork Dancers, Forum Gauntlet (don't even remember which one that was), First sinner, Deep Docks Bros, Unravelled, then Groal.

Unravelled and Groal I cheesed with items, so I'd do them last.
Recommend having clawline before fighting first sinner.

why do some of the fags playing this game demonize the Citadel so much, even after its masters have gone? It's not a crime to be rich and have standards.It's not a crime to provide for your people over the savages who don't even speak your language. Religion is all that keeps men, or in this case bugs, in line, and there are so many degenerates who don't understand that

>>544803108
The Feltinator 2000 is rather difficult to justify.

>>544803108
It's kind of a crime to use religion as an excuse to work people to death
and then extracting their souls to power cogwork machines when their bodies break down
or forcefully injecting Silk into their bodies so they can run on treadmills for eternity

>>544791153
Yes, threads slowed down 1 week after release

>>544803383
Someone has to do the work. Better your own people that those who don't speak your language.

>>544803108
Eh, its okay to demonize the citadel.

Trying to excuse GMS' complicity in the state of things is the real problem

>>544800742
Cogwork dancers first duh.
Groal last.

What should you do after beating Widow and checking out Bellhart? Should you go to Sinner's Road, or to the Wormways and the Blaster Steps?

Actually slipped Skarrsinger Karmelita and Choral Chamber into my jogging playlist

>>544809868
Finish Shellwood, then Greymoor and then Sinner's would be the natural progression I think

>>544807031
>>544802086
>>544801126
Right, I got firebros to just the one bro left on my second try so I'll try that tomorrow when I'm less drunk.
Cogwork would make sense, it's the only one I haven't fought yet as I avoided it knowing it's main quest shit

>>544811062
That sounds good. Going back to do Creige's Wish then getting a tip about Sinner's Road, yes?

>>544806124
Complicit in what exactly

>>544806124
You mean the ones who made Pharloom a functioning state instead of a bunch of gibbering savages living in huts?

I like fighting you in the /v/ threads then being friends in the /vg/ thread

>>544803108
>It's not a crime to be rich
It is a crime to rip the souls out of the peasantry to fuel your robot slaves however.

>>544821784
Not when you're the one who decides what is or isn't a crime.

>>544815668
They got their clockwork knowledge by mugging Verdania with their army. Savages my ass.

>>544821918
Spoken like a true Party member.

>>544822685
Not my fault you were rejected at the gate. Should have collected a bit more piety along the way.

>>544822542
Verdania endorsed homosexuality. Heathens, all of them.

>>544827690
Like GMS doesn't with her all daughter race of kids.

THIS GAME WAS FUCKING GARGANTUAN AND IT WAS NOT ENOUGH
FUCK YOU GIVE ME MORE
WHAT DO I DO WITH MY LIFE WHEN I'VE ALREADY DONE EVERYTHING IN SILKSONG

>>544827812
Herrah found a male mate. Weavers bred, did they not?

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>>544818616
hey! stop bein mean

>>544803660
Tbh the last thread had more replies in less time, I suppose is just that people didn't expect a new general at that hour? Idk, I remember I was surprised when I saw this new one.
When hollow knight 4 tho?

>>544827891
apparently they're already working on an "ambitious" dlc lol, inb4 it's a dlc the size of act I

>>544841506
As long as the DLC doesn't spiral into it's own game.

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I'm getting iq checked so fucking hard right now

>>544844792
thats what i thought on my first playthrough i spent 2 hours in there getting good at killing wraiths until i saw i had to go beat widow to get the needolin

I was really late to the party, didn't start playing Hollow Knight until Silksong had dropped and figured I should and I got pretty quickly obsessed. I haven't really played a metroidvania since Fusion on my old GBA.
I'm currently on my first Steel Soul run and found it easy enough that I decided to go for 100%, and then I checked my time and realised I could knock out 100% in Steel Soul and in under 20 hours in my first SS attempt.
Now I'm just stressed with 4 hours to go at 94% and I'm trying to piece together what I still need to do

gimme a nudge where do I find some other crests I have base, wander (HK one??), reaper, beast, and architect. I heard there's like 7 or 8 right? Gimme an area and I can start poking around.

>>544851368
vaults -> bilewater
act 3 for the other one

All you get from Path of Pain is a journal entry? Thats kinda lame but it was a solid 3 hour fun time and im extremely sleep deprived on top. The anon who said Pop was harder than Act 1 Mount Fay no Clawline in Silksong is soooooo wrong. Act 1 Jump is so much more punishing than path of pain. Actually path of pain never really felt punishing at all i just had fun platforming

Nevermind, managed it.
First Steel Soul run ever, 100%, under 20 hours.
Pretty proud since this isn't my usual style of game, managed to cheese it a bit with Nightmare Grimm and some of the Godmaster material. Didn't have all the grubs, charms or mask shards but managed otherwise.
I was a little surprised at how good I had gotten - one long playthrough that sits at 109% waiting for me to git gud at the rest of the pantheon, but I didn't even have to use the quit bench cheese. I guess now I can go back to Silksong and make myself unlock act 3.

>>544809868
Both are valid ways.

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Didn’t catch the steel soul ach as well but hoo

>>544828619
>Weavers bred, did they not?
Barely. Weavers are known for how difficult and painful is it for them to bear children to the point they are considered almost infertile. We only know of two great grand children from weavers, though at that point, they're barely a weaver I guess.

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How long did it take you to beat the true final boss?

I was kinda getting pissed at first, it's 4 phases and she hits like a truck, but then I tried multi-binder + injector band, and that improved my survivability a lot, managed to take her down in less than an hour.

IMO, the major takeaways here would be:
- wait for her to execute an attack, then be nearby and attack/pogo, 2bh a lot of the time you can just back up then clawline her
- some of her combo finishers track your position, e.g. the double void dash, it transitions into an air dash if you're trying to be cheeky
- don't fucking move more than absolutely necessary else she'll teleport/jump into you and you will die to contact damage like a retard (this was me for the first few tries lmao)
- if you need to cover some distance, do it in the air, e.g. double jump + clawline
- always heal in the air after double jumping off a wall preferably
- final phase doesn't have many openings, use some tools to speed up the process, I used 8x cogflies

Overall, not a bad fight, Radiance took me longer.

>>544863912
out of any boss in hollow knight (havent done pantheons yet) and silksong she took me the most tries at 35-40 i cant remember but i was awake for nearly a day for most of them since i said no sleep until i finish the game. She was alright but looking back i wanted her to be much harder during her 3rd and 4th phase. Its the same problem i had with Nightmare King Grimm it feels like they should become way stronger throughout but they dont

>>544854023
>All you get from Path of Pain is a journal entry?
Well yeah they're not gonna lock progression behind the area that's so optional it even got left out of patch notes. You've got to be playing with a randomiser on if you wanna get fucked like that.

I've got maybe 20-30% of the silksong left to finish and I'm thinking it might be the best game of all time bros.

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>>544869917
Dunno about that, but it's definitely the best metroidvania yet.

I need a spin-off game with Second Sentinel.
It doesn't even have to be a metroidvania, I just want to see more of the world. I want to see more bugs.

>>544863161
Though we also know that there existed some meaningful population of "pure" weavers separate from GMS making new ones, so they apparently have males. Probably just really intensely matriarchal out of cultural inertia, but there's a whole lot of funny business that could leave "weaver" males fucked up from not being intended like back-breeding half-weavers so they necessarily have a foreign sex chromosome or being strictly dependent on one of those arthropod sex-changing microbes or hormone disorders leaving them with the technically-incorrect assumption they're sporadic sequential hermaphrodites.

>>544873383
>Though we also know that there existed some meaningful population of "pure" weavers separate from GMS making new ones, so they apparently have males.
What group of weavers are you talking about?

>Haven't played for a week
>Remember next area is bilewater
M-maybe I need another week off...

>>544874153
Bilewater is straight up fun though. Think of it as survival instead of trying to speedrun the zone. Honestly if it wasnt for Greymoor it would be my favourite zone

>>544875512
Wtf greymoor is the best zone in the game

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>>544874153
Bilewater genuinely made me skip act 3 and stop after 2. I can't beat Groal and I don't want to cheat a win, it's over for me.

>>544875837
That's why they said that Greymoor is their favourite zone.

>>544876110
What are your standards for "cheating" a win?

>>544876405
Mods really

>>544876548
So how many masks and charms/tools do you have? Wreath of Purity and Voltvessel both bully the shit out of Groal.

>>544876110
Throw the boomerang and alsowhatever else you have at him from the word go

Then jump in his mouth and hit him when you can.

>>544876914
>Then jump in his mouth and hit him when you can.
Or just toss one of your two bomb tools in.

>>544873928
Deepnest, given the Little Weavers in the first game. Unless you think they're ALL half-or-less or are the result of the deal for Hornet including a wholly artificial sexless-conception baby-boom.

>>544876724
I got 7 masks but I don't think I had those tools you mention. I am filtered by the runback 50% of the time. I can't exit the 2nd bench without getting maggoted so I runback from the bellway bench instead.

>>544877931
Well time for you to go explore the Putrified Ducts then.

>>544886275
can't relate
t. wandererGOD

>>544886275
out fukken SKILLED

>>544886275
lmao, is this the launch version? one of the first patches increases the hitboxes of these bulbs

>>544873383
Hate to say it but female spiders often eat the male after mating, hence the lack of fathers and disgraceful behaviour lad

>>544707706
>Saw like three different Knight costumes when I went out trick-or-treating with my friends last night, all pretty young (10-15) too
Stuff like that reminds me that HK is both 7 years old now and also sold like 15 million

>>544877731
You might be right. Deepnest already had semi-intelligent spiders that the Weavers from Pharloom later joined, which could've been the base species Weavers were created from. They could still all be artificially created from the spiders though, as an exclusively female offshoot.

>>544888143
liar

>>544889519
Any Cuphead ones? It seems to be very popular with kids too, especially after the Netflix show.

>>544890464
There actually was a Cuphead, but only one. They were decently tall and had a full-body costume (think it was handmade, genuinely really cool) so I think it was a later teen/early 20's though

>>544890136
Its genuinely perverted, controlling and evil to manufacture an all-female sentient species.
This gives the creator enormous power to exercise over them. They need to beg the boss to reproduce, have no real freedom. Just slaves.

Does anyone have a small hint for how to get that cracked mask thing that every other screenshot seems to have? I assumed it would be a reward for the Mask Maker Lacquer delivery but now I have no idea and I don’t want to just look up how to get it.

>>544894418
The mask can be acquired very early on, like in the first couple hours, think what enemies wear similar masks and go to their home area, you likely missed a hidden room.

>>544894418
Hunter's March

Hunter Crest with longclaw + volt filament + egg of flealia + magnectic dice is a such a comfy build

>>544801126
The path to Firebros is obscured by a shitton of the flying pogoproof nuke guys, tho. With that accounted Cogwork Dancers are easier death-count-wise.

>>544901319
I just went around them. There's a particular "bend" where there's essentially zero room to move so I just squeezed through there with clawline

I hate Lace

I love Lace

I love Second Sentinel

Is First Sinner really considered one of this game's hardest? Not trying to brag, I'm someone who takes double digit attempts on filler bosses. But I beat her on the third try.
>first time come unprepared for a boss fight
>second time bring flea brew since I'm running after her so much, get to second phase
>third time change Cross Stitch for Sharpdart because the former didn't work

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>>544876110
> I can't beat Groal and I don't want to cheat a win, it's over for me.
>>544876548
>Mods really
Here. Now go beat Groal and do Act 3.

>>544914026
no one ever said that what are you on about, it's considered pretty easy but still en excellent boss

>>544877931
Get Wreath of Purity from Putrified Ducts.
>I can't exit the 2nd bench without getting maggoted
I know the jump you're talking about. Just stand on the edge and throw clawline, you'll bounce under the wall and can grab to the next one. Still, get Wreath of Purity first. Not having to worry about falling on the water makes the Groal fight much more trivial.

>>544914445
>no one ever said that what are you on about
>>544801126

>>544877731
>https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Little_Weaver
>Despite having "Weaver" in their name, none are actually found inside the Weavers' Den.

>https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Spider_Tribe
>The Spider Tribe of Deepnest (...) consisted of creatures who are arachnids in appearance (...) They were led by a queen (...) Herrah the Beast. She was a Weaver who had originally come from the kingdom of Pharloom. Herrah became the tribe's sole ruler (...) Her followers, Little Weavers, Stalking Devouts and Weavers, continued serving both their queen and the tribe with devotion.

It seems that Little Weavers, despite the name, aren't actually weavers.

>>544914026
>Is First Sinner really considered one of this game's hardest?
Usually no. Most people just sing praises of her fight.
>But I beat her on the third try.
Yeah, one of the praises is that she doesn't over stay.

>>544915250
No weavers are found in weavenests either, but I don't take that to mean that Widow and First Sinner aren't weavers.

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>>544917540
Widow and FS are explicitly said to be weavers.

Little Weavers is a species/group name (like Weavers), and one would assume they are a subset of weavers by the name, however, I'm not convinced. I don't think they are actual weavers.
Picrel is a little weaver btw.

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>>544919320
And this is a mite. Sometimes things in real life don't really match up with their counterparts in this game.

I need a cockroach colony level.
Big, beefy gross cockroaches that can fly.

how many of you discovered Bilewater from the Whispering Vaults path?

>>544929401
I did.

>>544926503
My point with that image is that the name "Little Weaver" might not be because they are literal little Weavers, but maybe because they are little and weave.
>>544929401
I did. Also discovered Sinner Path via Bilewater after that. Didn't find out Greymoor connects to Sinner's Path until I had to find the courier brother.

>>544718485
do all board wishes, beat lace, and then talk to the shaman in songclave. also you should have the fleas in the final location.

>>544929401
i fell in it by accident on my first playthrough lmao

wtf I got all the fleas but they say wait for something?? what the fuck?

>>544939846
what act are you in

>>544940204
i went to 3 after getting all the hints yesterday how to get whatever was missing. I had to beat lace at the very least. I guess I had all the fleas but never talked to the guys way over in the place after getting them all.

>>544940318
go to bellheart. There should be a quest called ecstasy of the end

>>544940816
are there pre-reqs? I just got to act 3 I think I need to unlock I dunno something I got bell beast back and dark hearts wish in bellheart.

>>544941454
go do your first abyss visit

I dont like that we dont get to know why GMS wanted Hornet in the first place. Was it to get revenge on the weavers? That cant be it.

>>544957091
>Hornet dialogue with Seamstress: "I have seen their Citadel and its state, and I have strong suspicion...They hunt me for my nature. For the Silk produced within my shell. Not for themselves but for the one atop it all."
>Choral Commandment: "Full Chamber to the kingdom of the White Wyrm. Claim the Weaver, in half part. Last of their line. Sensed strong with Silk. Resistance anticipated. Quell with rune cage."
>Widow: Ohhhh! She is here! The rare birthling! Precious child of Wyrm and Weaver! Spawn of those who dared to flee. She has found her way home... at last. How fine her shell, and Silk, and claw... For you, mother... let me claim her all for you!
They wanted Hornet's Silk it seems. She's a cross of Wyrm and Weaver, so maybe it makes her silk extra special. Guess GMS was gonna try and take over Hornet some how and have Hornet do her bidding. Could be a bidding of making special threads, or maybe some other thing.

>>544958434
I think GMS just wanted all the silk she could get from any Weavers she could find going by that room of cages in the Cradle.

>>544889519
>and also sold like 15 million
Considering the usual 1-10 buyers to pirates ratio you could add the 150 million or so fuckers who just downloaded it.

Hmmm so Steelsoul in the original Hollow Knight means permadeath even in dream bosses. Interesting. The bosses i died the most on were Lost Kin and NKG. I guess i get to practice a ton of these encounters doing the pantheons cause i dont remember squat about em since most were one shotted

>>544968104
>Hmmm so Steelsoul in the original Hollow Knight means permadeath even in dream bosses
No it doesn't. Radiance is unique in killing your ass if you lose.

>>544970148
ok thats a relief. Still though i dont think my knowledge is enough for SteelSoul yet. I still need a to do godhome + speedruns to feel comfortable doing it. In Silksong i did Steelsoul after like 160 hours in and still i died twice

Just got true ending.

Stopped playing last month because Act 3 wasn't comfy. Finally got back to playing a little bit per week and beat Karmelita and Lost Lace tonight.

>>544889519
>also sold like 15 million
Consider this, most of the mid-generation Pokémon games (3rd-7th) sold about that much in their original releases. 15 million is a huge number

>>544957091
>is infertile and can only manipulate, cannot create silk
>refuses to ascend and adopt more pharlids after their betrayal
>with all true weavers dead, disabled, or lost, soul infused silk has become a finite, depleting resource

>Lace, her beloved daughter, took a huge amount of silk to create and must actively consume silk to stay alive
>might take thousands of years but silk will run out and her daughter will eventually die
>must make Lace immortal somehow
>highest priority after her revenge against the kingdom

>hunts for weavers in other lands but they're almost extinct
>never finds any immortal (?) purebloods, only mortal fractionbloods
>fractions are assumed to have weaker weaving, lower quality silk, finite lifespans, and struggle to breed
>can only resort to milking their silk until they die

>finally find Hornet
>half weaver queen
>half pale being
>has silk manipulation/production powers that EXCEED pure weavers
>is immortal
>could keep Lace alive forever
>is powerful enough to help destroy the ancestral technique and awaken her from her slumber

she might have wanted to adopt Hornet, or enslave her, or possess her body (deleted ending)
it doesn't matter though, as soon as she awoke in a weakened state, Hornet challenged her to the death and she was forced to accept

>>544970148
i assumed maybe if Radiance kills you in a dream, you die for real, but Absolute Radiance doesn't count as a death
so it's probably just canon that if you die to Radiance, Hollow Knight simply breaks free of Hornet and slays you both

>>544980063
NTA, but this shit make so much sense now. I didn't get the whole 1/8th weaver thing because I thought they were all infertile except for Hera and I was wondering why Hornet was so important beyond the obvious half pale thing

>>544980438
it was mentioned in the original game that Herrah was UNIQUELY thicc and breedable built for Big Pale Cock, but a weavenest stated multiple weavers managed to give birth over the centuries, it was just extremely difficult and rare

it's possible they assumed infertility at first but started playing with bettle sperm after 'falling from heaven'

>>544980063
>is infertile and can only manipulate, cannot create silk
how do you know this? I didnt see it mentioned in any of my playthroughs

>>544984093
GMS being infertile is just a headcanon, it's the weavers who seemingly got cursed with infertility.

Bump

>>544957091
>>544958434
I think GMS wanted a real daughter. She loved the Weavers, if in a very fucked up way, but they're dead now, so that pretty much just leaves Hornet.

>>544999321
>The Cradle Silk Heart dialogue: "...Better a child spun frail... than none... ...Better a child spun pure... than them... ...One to wish our waking... ...From our Silk... A child born loyal... "
"Better a child spun frail" is implied to be Phantom. "Better a child spun pure", Lace. "than them", the weavers that tried to over throw her. She didn't want any more weavers. If she did, she probably could just make more.

>>545001276
>Better a child spun frail" is implied to be Phantom
Lace is also frail and utterly dependent on GMS, that's part of why she's so resentful.

>>544958434
>Choral Commandment: "Full Chamber to the kingdom of the White Wyrm. Claim the Weaver, in half part. Last of their line. Sensed strong with Silk. Resistance anticipated. Quell with rune cage."
This is the Conductors, they're the ones sending out Choral Commandments. Silk herself, oddly enough, doesn't seem to hold any hatred for weavers , only sorrow:
>Oh, ahh. It is difficult... Upsetting even to think. Strange, sad memories, not my own, and my own thoughts smothered amidst the tangle.
As for her plans for Hornet, it's never fully explained? I thought she'd bind her but that's cut content. And her first Silk heart is oddly maternal, perhaps she wants Hornet as a new daughter-slave? I think they should've really have given her more to her character, you have to disect the timeline and story to figure out her character. And also what's her deal with Phantom.

First Sinner was a really fun fight. It's a shame Rune Rage isn't all that good, although I want to try use it in the next gauntlet room I find.

Snare Setter is a really good tool, the damage it does is crazy.

>>545014814
rune rage can be easily fixed by halving its animation

>>545012821
Conductors delivered the weavers to her with reports. Over and over again,
She received these reports as she made replacement daughters while cursing the weavers.

The conductors were only ever acting on her orders.

Conductors themselves have no reason to hunt Weavers.
They especially have no reason to present Weavers to GMS as tribute.

It was a hugely expensive project,'the genocide of all the weavers. It costs a lot of men, a lot of man hours to track them across the globe. Its also work that brings no power,
No security to Pharloom or the citadel.
Its just a special project for one person's gratification.

GMS did it.
She's the culprit behind genocide.

Doing path of pain and having my thumb constantly slip from THESE TINY ASS THUMBSTICKS they put in controllers these days is extremely annoying. The thumbsticks on my old ps3 controllers were literally 2 times the size of the xbox controller ones and were so much better. Gotta buy some thumbstick caps or something man

>>545025816
The Hollow Knight was also there. He was just busy, so you probably just missed him.

>>545014814
>Snare Setter is a really good tool
Yeah, shame we can't get it back for act 3.

>>544863912
Finally beat her after hours of tries and running out of shards.
My winning strategy was volt filament+weavelight+cross stitch. With weavelight you constantly generate enough silk to have cross stitch ready and volt filament gives good extra damage. With this you can basically just focus on dodging and parrying with a couple of hits here and there if you feel safe enough.
I found the best attacks to parry her and not end up in a vulnerable position afterwards are any landing attacks, like after the air dash, and the ground tentacle attack.
Cross stitch also helps a lot if you corner yourself with nowhere to dodge or if you trigger her parry.

>>545039000
This what I did
>first and second phase
Stay in the right corner and pogo oh all her attacks.
>third phase
Do whatever. Try to punish during the blob spawning animation.
>last phase
Dodge and spam pale nails.

>>545040826
This
>Try to punish during the blob spawning animation.

And also, whenever she spawns from the void tentacles she stays in the air for a while, I was able to get a couple of hits in if I position right below her.

I didn't mind all the MMO quests on my first run, but now that I'm replaying the game I find them grating. I really don't want to have to find 10 shawls and 30 crow cloaks and 15 pins and 10 more shawls and 8 bells and shit just to see act 3. Feels like this is the game trying to force me to periodically top up on rosaries and shards under the guide of progression to mask how fucked up the economy is. Is the best way to achieve the "15 sidequest complete" threshold to just deliver supplies to bone bottom 15 times in a row, or is the game smart enough to not double count that mission after you've done it once?

Tips for beating Grandmother Silk cursed? Just get good at dodging while running after her and jump attacking, or would something like clawline and pogo be safer?

>>545044014
Definitely use clawline, great for covering distance and attacking mid-air. Also, get gud at dodging her projectiles. She's not that hard, she doesn't have that many different attacks.
I believe in you anon

>>545044014
clawline is great, but make sure to only use it when it's 100% safe. Many times I would use it and bounce up into oncoming blades.

can someone please tell rusty he's not remotely as funny as he thinks he is

>>545042225
Game needs a NG+ mode where all those items locked behind collectathon quests are now simply items you pay for

I want more bugs, bros. Not necessarily another Hollowsong, I just like the world.

A book in the setting could be incredibly comfy to read.

>>544863912
>>545039000
Probably about 15-20 tries. no more thanan hour or two. She wasn't easy, but considering I'd completed Act 2 within a few days of the game beng released and then stalled on Act 3 until yesterday because I thought I'd never be good enough to complete it, I was surprised.

I beat her quicker than Lace 2. The hardest thing was ignoring all the shit on the screen during the final half of the fight

>>545044014
Clawline, and when you're in the final phase and she's summoning ground spikes, just take your time and hit them out.

She's piss easy to dodge, anyyway. When you remember that people do her in Any% without double jump and realise that single jump is enough to evade most things, it's a lot easier

>>545042225
>Is the best way to achieve the "15 sidequest complete" threshold to just deliver supplies to bone bottom 15 times in a row, or is the game smart enough to not double count that mission after you've done it once?
It's smart enough I'm afraid. Also the courier missions only count for half a point.

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I really hope DLC's will add more characterization to GMS and Lace. for what is supposed to be this game's second and third main characters, they are so unbelievably lacking in any sauce whatsoever

>>544987840
Grand Mother Silk is a sentient... well, silk. Silk generally is not capable of sexual reproduction. It's similar to Radiance, who's a sentient dream.

>Phantom can parry a witch crest heal, even if you started it before she entered her parry animation
Yeah, that's cool. Thanks, Team Cherry.

What's the secret to doing last judge efficiently? Especially in phases 2-3, she hops around the arena like a schizo and can chain attacks incredibly fast, I just end up letting her come to me and spamming poison pins which takes forever. I don't get how you're mean to be aggressive and speed up this slog of a fight

>>545065897
She's also a goddamn spider and they have kids by the hundred.

Groal's gauntlet is fucking me up, those flying niggas always whittle me down or make me break my Wreath of Purity so the actual fight becomes a DPS race.
Is "throw boomerangs at him" really the easiest strategy? The "stay in the water" "cheese" hasn't worked at all, nor has intentionally getting succ'd. I'm down to my last shards and am going to rope if I have to head back out to farm.

>>545073903
Nigga, what kind of spiders do you have in your house, and can I fuck them?

>>545070781
Don't. If you don't have a good enough read on her attacks that you can be fast, then take it slow. This goes for every boss. Speed comes with time. First play through, I was getting one or two hits on TLJ at best. Second playthrough, I combo'd that bitch to oblivion, even with a few mistakes that led me to die

>>545081215
>Groal's gauntlet is fucking me up, those flying niggas always whittle me down or make me break my Wreath of Purity so the actual fight becomes a DPS race.
Do you have threadstorm? Even better if you also have volt filament. Electrocute those niggas

>>545083949
You never saw the grab attack, did you. She's a spider

>>545084835
I'm not a shitter, so no. Did I fuck up?

>>545085546
Nah you just get to see her bring all eight arms out for a second.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw5ZJ5gp7yw

>>545085807
wtf, i want GMS to grab me like that

>>545081215
As long as you have 2 tool damage upgrades, you can take out the Stilkin with a single use of Delver's Drill when they jump out the water. (make sure to hold the button down)
For Groal, if you're trying to do nail damage you're much safer on the bottom platform than the sides. Alternatively just nuke him like >>544914052

>>545085807
You think she snuck in a grope in there? 8 arms but only 3 damage

Holy fuck i hate watcher Knights jesus fuck. Granted im playing it on ascended but how the fuck are they so tanky. Pieces of shit

Yarnaby did nothing wrong.

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>>545097213
she didnt molest Hornet when she had her strapped in her chair so she did something wrong

>>545097601
That would be unprofessional behavior.

I lost to Zote once trying to unlock pantheon 5 then did him until i won 5 times in a row. I might be autistic

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>>545029873
W-what? The game's gonna steal my tools?

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>>545100579
Specifically snare setter has to be sacrificed to get to act 3. Which is a shame, it's one of the cooler tools in the game.

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Time to never equip another silk skill this whole run.

>>545081215
"Complaining about a boss means you'll easily beat it next try" theory undefeated

Now I'm into Act 3 and am getting raped by void people. I'll hold of from complaining for a while.

>>545104136
Silk Spear is still the goat. What Hornet doesnt have is a cross-screen "fuck you" button like Shade Soul, and Silk Spear is the closest to filling that void. You need range.

>>545106287
I was referring to the cross stitch that Phantom gives, but silk spear is definitely a good one as well.

>>545100368
No, that's what you're supposed to do. The practice room is there for a reason. By the time I cleared P5, I would start my session in the practice room by killing Watcher Knights, Markoth, Zote, Grimm, PV, and AbsRad all as a warmup before even starting the run.

Groal was so fucking easy.
Anyone who had trouble with Groal is just bad at video games.

You know whats funny playing Hollow Knight after 300 hours in Silksong? I still catch myself trying to parachute some times

>>545105176
>Now I'm into Act 3 and am getting raped by void people
desu just run past the regular mobs in act 3, they're not worth the time it takes to kill them

>>545100368
>I lost to a boss and practiced against him till I could beat it consistently
That's the whole point of the room you retard

>>544822542
GP's lover didn't build the cogwork dancers. He just sold his soul and likeness to the Citadel.

>>545120227
if thats the case explain why i lost to pure vessel then went to practice him until i beat him consistently on ascended

>>545121903
>why did I lose until I beat him consistently

>>545116807
People became unnerved by the zone, by the gauntlet, by navigating the environs and the fear of falling into maggots

Once you accept the maggots and become adapted to them, like the Stilkin, Bilewater poses no threat.


Anyway I still think it's bullshit these denizens were haunted.
If there's any zone that would be immune to haunting, it would be the place where everything eats silk and people swim in silk-eating waters

>>545100579
It wont give you back the plasmid tool once you give it back the second time.

Wow, someone ported the Knight into Silksong, including the OG healing system. The video has the act 3 final boss spoilers though, so don't watch if you haven't beaten SS yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTg42zJU0yk

>>545124807
It's been two months, anyone who doens't know, deserves spoiling

Anyway, the git is here

https://github.com/MCXGK3/KnightInSilkSong/releases

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>>545124807
>>545127295
I wish someone made the opposite, Hornet in HK (like the original Kickstarter stretch goal), would be fucking sick and another excuse to replay HK. Imagine stomping the first game with clawline, float and the air heal.

>>545124807
and how does the knight get around clawline

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how do I go there?

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Hey fellow skongers i am trying to find an old meme i've made an artistic recreating in my brain that looks nothing alike it but it went something like it?
it's essentially hornet sitting down with a flea brew complaining about how rough something was
i tried my best recreating it...

>>545129083
I think there was a break-able walk left of that flea somewhere.

>>545129083
The long vertical corridor on the left. Breakable walls.

>>545129246
How does Hornet drink the flea brew? Does she pour it down an eye hole? Splash it on her mask?

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>>545129487
i FOUND it! i did miss remember it though

>>544929114
Bro, they're literally in Bilewater.

>>545133860
They are not intelligent bugs

If you mean the roach tenders, they don't look much like anything

Roaches should scurry

>>544929114
If you're looking for bug with human-like intelligence, I doubt TC would make roaches into that. Muckroaches and those surface bug might be the closes to roaches for now.
I think the surface bugs scurry.

>>545127674
>I wish someone made the opposite, Hornet in HK (like the original Kickstarter stretch goal), would be fucking sick and another excuse to replay HK. Imagine stomping the first game with clawline, float and the air heal.
It'll happen eventually. They both work on Unity and it's just a matter of when, rather than if.

The only difficulty I can imagine is some of the attacks/areas that require Shade Cloak. In terms of traversal, they could just mod it like this and allow people to swap between Hornet and Knight on the fly. And in terms of fighting, I think air heal, sharpdart, parry, warding bell, etc. can balance out any damage taken

>>545127740
The mod lets you swap between the two on the fly. So if you can't traverse an area, you swap back to Hornet and do what you have to do.

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wtf?! what happened to my spools? it somehow reseted to it's base level.

>>545149085
Get your cocoon.

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>>545149297
is it supposed to be 18 at max? cuz I only have 16(9+7). that means I need 4 more spool fragments.

>>545149942
Yeah, it's supposed to be two heals' worth when fully upgraded.

>>545149942
If you're ever unsure if you need to find more masks or spools an easy way to tell is simply if you do not have a complete one in your inventory. When you're on your last mask/spool, it stays in your inventory permanently to show there are no more to collect

>>545120440
> The dancers… they were the last free act of my partner… Always hopeful. Always naive.
>His whole he gave, in desperate trade to see our own caves left safe. His shell and soul became the mould.
It sure sounds like he poured himself into making them.

>>545154171
>Penitent, Twelfth of the First.
>Guilty of an unnamed sin.
>Penance by casting.
>Absolution not granted.

>>545156367
You're headcanoning that they made him the nameless prisoner in the Slab after he made a deal with them rather than him just sacrificing himself as part of that deal?

>>545127674
Gonna need Scuttlebrace to squeeze through some of those doors though.

>>545156586
I don't think the Old Penitent is Twelfth of the First
It just seems like having your body used as a mould for the Cogwork Dancers and having your soul forever bound to said automata lines up with "Penance by casting. Absolution not granted."

>>545154171
No it doesn't. That's like saying a motion capture actor made a game.

is there an offline map with all item/ability locations for silksong yet?

>Streamers playing as the Knight modded into Silksong
Jesus Christ the Knight is a fucking combat monstrosity compared to Hornet even with minimal charms and abilities, Hornet's a fucking jobber kek

How would you react if they add fall damage in the next patch?

How would you react if they gave Hornet asthma next patch?

>>545160094
The only thing I know that's confirmed is removing room juggling in the Mist because fuck you

>>545160419
Room randomization is the whole point of The Mist

>>545159719
It'd probably the same in reverse. Excluding bullshit charms like Shaman and Unbreakable Strength,Hornet's damage output is equivalent to the Knight's in technical terms.

These games aren't balanced for the other character

>>545139895
We already had a lot of my favorite bugs as sapient talking people. Ladybugs, beetles of all kinds, ants etc

Cockroaches are really cool and deserve their time to shine.

Fast, low-scurrying cockroach warriors on the ground, big and fat cockroach warriors flying around with big wings. Etc

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Cockroach hands typed that post ^
Begone!

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>>545161296
>Cockroaches are really cool and deserve their time to shine.
Turkish hands typed this post

>>545161261
In technical terms yes but in practice the knight is way easier to execute because of his GIANT spell hotboxes and the fact that you play the whole game with the Shaman crest where you get all 3 spells at once, with Wanderer nailset. The downside is because you are playing with Shaman, your heal sucks which is hard.

>>545162348
yeah, that and all the i-frames when you're powered up

still, i'm watching bluesr at the moment playing with the mod and his ass is getting bodied by moorwing to the point he's giving imself early shaman stone

d-dark will be the big breaking point. that shit is well and truly busted

>>545161557
Exactly. As far as bugs go, they are a force to be reckoned with. Too fast, too numerous. Like living in interstitial spaces.
There's room there for TC to make something memorable.

Now also make them challenging. Real warriors to kill in battle. Would b fun

>>545162780
His muscle memory is betraying him because all of the Knight's spacings are slightly different and he doesn't know the new heal windows. Where the Knight should really shine is all those platforming bits in Underworks and Choral Chambers where they put a flying mob in a spot that's practically impossible for her to fight safely, and all she can do is seethe and cope, whereas the Knight should obliterate them with Shriek or Shade Soul. Plus DDark should trivialize practically every enemy arena.

fuck roaches I want termites

I am really curious how well Hornet would cope with White Palace and Path of Pain. It should be easier if she's using Wanderer because then it's just Knight + Clawline, but I wonder if there are parts that would be impossible with Hunter or Beast because of their fucked up pogos.

>>545163408
Roaches AND a giant termite mound zone

The roaches live inside the walls of the world tree, termites live outside and are gnawing in.

>>545164142
Beast struggles to pogo directly downward so probably. You can still do it if you adjust during the airtime

>>545164142
Even with clawline the crystal dash sections would be impossible

>>545164547
Oh shit I forgot about that. Why cant Hornet shine spark sideways? Is she stupid?

>>545164142
You can't get through the thorn tunnel at the end of White Palace without Crystal Dash. The rest will be much easier with Wanderer, Clawline and hover but using Beast would be painful in some parts.
Path of Pain is definitely doable, even with the Beast Crest.

BlueSR being totally unable to cope with not having a dash attack when playing as the Knight reminds me of how I spent 5 hours pogoing straight into spikes because my muscle memory was getting raped so hard by the Hunter crest's diagonal pogo. I swear TC designed these two games on purpose to ruin your muscle memory no matter which order you play them in kek

>>545165919
I do that in a single playthrough

Finally learn and click using beast pogo, totally unlearn all I've done when I get witch crest. Witch crest pogo is just that good

>>545159084
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>>545161296
>Cockroaches are really cool and deserve their time to shine.
I hear you, but when people think of roaches, the first think to come to mind are usually the pest roaches (not the wild ones), and pests are usually frowned upon, so I think it's unlikely they'll be cast in an honorable light in Hollow Knight. Same for lice, ticks, certain mites, and possibly mosquitoes.

Also, some people find the sight of roaches to be triggering.

>>544707706
Beat AbsRad and the Pantheon of Hallownest in 2023
Replaying Hollow Knight right now, just beat the Mantis Lords. Even the early-game section of Hollow Knight where you're rail-roaded feels better than Silksong. Hollow Knight really was lightning in a bottle

Could someone please upload & share their 100% Steel Soul / Under 30H run save file? Asking for a friend

>>545173802
This, unfortunately :( Silksong didn't even come close to the same feeling of exploration / completion I got while playing the first game. Maybe briefly at the end of Act 2, but then it quickly derailed back to the Dark Souls 2 formula
>gank squads
>unmemorable locations
>useless or non-existent rewards
>laughable final boss
>slightly less laughable 'real' final boss with a bunch of BS mechanics and reused assets
>questionable lore and word building

>>545176219
The DS2 comparison feels pretty apt honestly.
Silksong is really hard but for all the wrong reasons and when you know what is OP it looks around to being easy again.
I found the world design and lore of Pharloom really lacking after how good Hallownest was.
I also really hate Act 3

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So, my understanding of the higher beings is that Unn, The White Lady, The Nightmare Heart, and The Radiance are not "Pale Beings". Grand Mother Silk and The Pale King are both Pale beings. What do you think that means? Are PK and GMS both related somehow? Are they both Wyrms that shredded their giant wyrm forms and became bugs? Are they literally siblings like Zeus and Hades? Or is it something extremely superficial, like, they both emit the same pale color of light, so that's why people call them "pale beings".

>>545176707
White Lady is a pale being.
Dunno much more about pale beings, here's a wiki page about Pale Beings/Higher Beings https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Higher_Beings

>>545176707
WL is also a pale being. That doesn't mean much to us other than "more godlike than other gods," all 3 have very different natures. PK, WL, and GMS are the only pale beings we know of.
There is also the Blackwyrm, which implies non-pale wyrms, and Unn, etc, which implies non-pale higher beings, which in turn imply that pale beings are exceptional to an already exceptional class of bug. Pale beings aren't directly related but seem similar in a way that could be influenced by a common source.

>>545176540
Agreed 100%.
I'd even say the game is ridiculously trivial once you get what the devs aimed for with 'faster-paced combat' - e.g. being hyper aggressive on Beast with full melee / Architect will full tool build, and facerolling most content with it (because nothing about those bosses incentivizes you to learn their movesets anyway).
Meanwhile most locations and traversals feel like a chore, and lore is underwhelming and pointless.

I wonder would the sequel be better if they actually released it back in ~2023.

>>545178904
>I wonder would the sequel be better if they actually released it back in ~2023.
I genuinely have no idea what they were doing.
Hollow Knight was created from scratch in less than 2 years.
Silksong took ~7 years and was built on top of a modified Hollow Knight engine

>>545179162
I'm coping, shidding and pissing myself that they took so long to have more stuff and DLC ready to go.

Trust the schizophrenia, more content soon. Any second now.

>>545177756
>>545178303
No one in the game ever uses "higher being" to refer to these God-tier entities.

Pale Being is the word most frequently used, and it seems to fit every single one of these "high caste" (a word actually used) gods.

That gods have different power levels and some simply being dominant in every domain they enter makes sense. Pale King caused/forced every other high caste being to benefit him, or they simply recognized his strength and agreed to stay in their lane (except Radiance).

>>545179624
>No one in the game ever uses "higher being" to refer to these God-tier entities.
that isn't true. it is used multiple times in hollow knight (and I think it is used in silksong too but I'm unsure)

>>545179624
Just to butt in, that when people go 'Rahh it'd be so better without higher beings', they are explicitly stated to be necessary to grant bugs sapience. Without them, in a godless society, they return to bug caveman.

>>544876110
You get wanderer's pogo, pollip pouch, cogflies, and bounce on his head until he dives. Then you heal and bounce again.
The whole fight doesn't take longer than 30 seconds.
Do people really think any of this shit is hard & requires more than 1 attempt?

>>545171904
They don't have to be honorable: just a serious threat.
Like a big band of ronin, a bandit fortress that take and control passageways based on martial strength. Would be fun to fight (and a bit disgusting)

Water bugs is another one of those cool bug categories I'd like to see.

>>545179775
That use of higher being doesn't refer to God-folk. Its never used in that capacity, there.

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>>545159084
https://scripterswar.com/silksong/map
Fresh off the presses. Interactive world-view map with everything you can think of, even noting breakable walls and such

>>545180092
it is used to refer to beings like Unn and the Radiance who are definitely Gods

>>545180173
When is this done? To those guys, specifically? I've never seen that lore message.

>>545178303
>WL is also a pale being. That doesn't mean much to us other than "more godlike than other gods," all 3 have very different natures. PK, WL, and GMS are the only pale beings we know of.
It might also be tied into the capacity to grant bugs higher thought at all considering that the lacquer the mask maker uses is also a pale thing that might require their byproducts.

>>545182981
All Pale King did was teach science, math, Soul use as well as the basis of effective infrastructure to the bugs.

Its a metaphor for a healthy society and good governance. "Higher beings" just means you are one of those lucky bugs that get to live in His kingdom.

>>545179781
It also involves them ignoring that the player characters are both higher beings so it's not like they're hardcoded to be assholes.

>>545183250
Arguably, the Knight probably won't count, as they've been hollowed out by Void.

Probably how the Knight can become the Void Given Focus, as it can grant sapience, or 'focus', to the otherwise mindless Void.

>>545179781
Hallownest proves that the patriarchal authority of the Pale King was a force of unequivocal good, and that a lesser being, or a succession of lesser beings (like democracy, weak kings, weak tyrants) would fail.

Pharloom proves this to be true.
The only real, true issue of Pharloom is its leader is only interested in gratifying the self, instead of sacrificing her own flesh and blood for the People and the Realm.

GMS is a pig headed god. Pale King was a virtuous leader.

>>545105176
Act 3 is about rushing quests bruh. Ignore any attempts at exploration or doing non-quest activities

>>545100368
>Does completely normal thing in order to overcome challenge
>Erm this is so autistic!

Do you think non autistic people just never struggle or have to practice at anything?

>>545180150
Not the anon asking, but this is great. Thanks

>>545165919
I'm watching the VOD now, and being able to still do all these skips using just the Knight is still super impressive. Even at my peak HK, I couldn't do that, never mind swapping between Hornet and Knight and all the muscle memory fuckery

>>545100368
>5 then did him until i won 5 times in a row
That's exactly what I did when beating the pantheons with charm binding. If it was a boss too far into the pantheon, I would even practice until beating it 10 times in a row.

>Give Moss Druid a berry I just picked off the vine
>Ew this thing is gross. Here's like 20 rosaries.
>Give Moss Druid a berry I got like 7 hours ago, I don't even remember where.
>Perfect! Here's almost 200 rosaries.
This shit has to be random.

>>545217391
It is.

>>545217391
There's 3 specific values of rosaries you can get for them, and while it's random what order you'll get them in, you will get all 3 (for berries 4-6).

>>545159719
Apparently the damage/defense modifiers don't properly work for the Knight's attacks, meaning that a maxed nail and void spells shred enemies and bosses way faster than they should despite SS bosses on average having more health than HK bosses.

>>545228208
On the other hand, the Knight can't stagger bosses for whatever reason, and his spells don't get damage bonuses based on needle upgrades like Hornet's. But it is funny how many of the Knight's abilities are just "Hornet, but better," like Vengeful Spirit is just a Silkspear with infinite range and a fatter hitbox that's casted instantly. Hornet is way better at dancing around the enemy to buy space to heal but the Knight just stands there and beats the shit out of you till you die.