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Amberprice won
DE won

DEbros... We won...

>>544725382
Lmao, LRfags can’t even bitch that they were excluded from the OP. Nicely done.

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Trick or treating with this bitc- I mean witch

>>544732112
Gotta go with treating, lol

>>544726929
they unironically lost.

>>544726929
they ditched this game about as quick as Michel ran off to sell out to another corpo

>>544737212
Still wondering what IP they're going with it. Very grim if it has to be a netflix one.

>>544735736
hella treating

>>544737212
>Michel ran off to sell out to another corpo
For an artist who claims to value creative freedom, he sure does it with impressive consistency

>>544738006
Yup, that'd be pretty grim for real

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>2 generals again

>>544743357
The second general is just one seething idiot making it for himself. Let him have his fun

>>544741021
How else are they going to recoup their losses from LR. If Netflix bankrolls the whole thing then it's no skin off their backs. Nothing about the deal implies it's been thrust upon them unwillingly however.

>>544745418
Of course not. But this whole sitch just shows again that without corpo backing, "creative freedom" doesn't get you far

>>544745936
I agree, it's one of those uncomfortable truths. It just sucks that every compromise done with corpo backing is a double edged sword.

>>544745936
I don't think it's that clear cut.
A good idea that's developed well can be successful with or without giving up some creative control in exchange for funding, and a bad idea that's developed badly won't be saved by any amount of creative freedom, but having a big publisher change stuff in your game won't necessarily end badly, and a good publisher might be able to save a good idea from poor management in a small studio.
Lost Records just wasn't much of an interesting game, regardless of who paid for its development, and DE is also not an interesting game (probably, I haven't played it), even if the reasons why they're bad are completely different.

>>544741021
>Michel did
More like DontNod did that and Michel had to accept, like it's not really an hard concept to see considering their financial struggles

What does Dispatch’s success mean for Life is Strange? Is the choice based genre back?

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Pricefield lives
Rachel Amber is dead and buried
DE is corporate fanfiction slop that killed its studio
You do not care about Life is Strange

>>544749869
Dispatch main gameplay is capeshit management with choices sprinkled in and its propped by Youtubers and streamer VAs, not a sustainable project going foward

The real thread is here, for all the anons who actually care about Life is Strange and do not slurp SE cock:

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>>544738575

>>544738575

>anti-Chloe trolls
>acting in bad faith
>know their remarks are frivolous
I don't know what gave rise to this impression, as far as I've seen people dislike Chloe for understandable reasons, she's irresponsible, immature, rash, foul mouthed...
Of course, someone who's not autistic would see her reasons given the life she's had and understand her even if not excuse her, but I don't find it at all hard to believe that people who dislike Chloe are autists in good faith rather than trolls.

>>544749869
Choice based games on the level of TWD and LiS, maybe not. Dispatch clones are more likely to spring up; TV shows under the guise of a VN with very minimal gameplay.

>>544750404
This

>>544750185
Every argument against Chloe I've read in these threads have always been sound in their logic and reasonings. There's a few trolls yes, likely from ones who never played the games. But at the core of the pricefield schizos that attack you for going against their grain is that you're simply not complying to their headcanons/interpretations which there is no right one. The way you played and experienced the game is your own canon and nothing takes away from that.

>>544750102
They even included your favorite non related game, what’s the problem?
>>544750185
Because redditors invaded this board post DE release and they all worship Chloe.

>>544750102
you lost (again).

>>544743357
It’s amazing how triggered the off topic posters get. Their game was even mentioned so no reason to cry this time. You they’ll say “you seethe” to us lmao.

Just ignore the seethe thread

>>544752008
the seethe thread was already sliding off page 10, but some idiot from here bumped it with a 'mods pls delete' post

stop bumping the seethe thread, you stupid fuck

>>544754734
They should’ve saged it. If you report the thread for off topic sometimes mods will take it down. Ridiculous they made another again and this time they don’t even have the excuse LR wasn’t in the OP.

>>544755163
>If you report the thread for off topic sometimes mods will take it down
they don't do it. just stop bumping, it's just one seething anon posting in that thread

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>>544755142
If anyone chooses to reply from here, put Sage in the options.

>>544751042
>redditors invaded this board post DE release and they all worship Chloe
which is quite funny, considering the the typical redditor is a balding dude in his 30's

>>544756530
lesbian fetishists

>>544756834
yup

>>544725382
>controversial sequel
Idk, the writing dips here and there for obvious reasons, but I wouldn’t call it that controversial. Or do you mean the schizos’ reaction?

>>544759051
It is pretty controversial but that is mostly due to shippers. I didn’t find it well written after the first two episodes but shippers only bitch about Pricefield being dead.

>>544759051
It pretty much killed the franchise as a viable IP and generated brand damage, and writing wise its nothing more than your average spiteful fanfict written by a horny teen who think to be smarter than the original writers, while borrowing heavily from the first game story but with none of the passion or care

>>544751453
>>544756530
>>544756834
>>544759408
>muh shippers
>muh balding uncles from reddit
Which is a funny one given this is 4chan and the average anon often tends to be a balding white dude

>>544759783
you seethe

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>>544750660
>Every argument against Chloe I've read in these threads have always been sound in their logic and reasoning
That's not true at all, 80% of the hatred against Chloe is based of on bad faith attacks, people who played the game once and fail at media literacy or just trolls who uses DE existance as an argument

>>544759408
Honestly, everything SE didn’t get their grubby hands on with their rewrite orders turned out fine. And it’s obvious they were short on cash (no clue where it all went), since some local stuff just got left hanging in this game, let alone carried over into the sequel

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>>544759917
There's no bigger seether than the ones who keep shilling for a 30 million dollars flop and a studio killer

>>544760169
you seethe

>>544759994
Are people not allowed to dislike a character? I liked Chloe enough but could see why people wouldn’t like her, she could be selfish and irrational at times.

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>>544760075
>turned out fine
If you have low standards for writing, sure. But as a supposed direct sequel who you "dont need to play the first game to understand", it fails miserably

>>544760247
the main thing is she's just wrecking Max's life. if you care about Max even a little, you're gonna look at her pretty critically

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>>544760247
I'll repost what I've written:

It's fair to dislike Chloe because at first she's brash and impulsive, but another thing is to getting really skin deep and just see her as being that type of person with no chance to growth or change while defending Nathan or David Madsen, even excusing them, despite being actively far worse for everyone around them than Chloe ever is

If you think it's "very important" for you to Chloe being dead in a bathroom at the lowest point of her life, you have issues

>>544760474
t. Max hater

Chloe was growing as a character post LIS1, in 2 we learn she has made peace with David and both her with Max are now trying to move on with the trauma of the storm

>schizo dropped his seethe‑thread and started seething here instead
Kek

>>544759994
The inverse of what you said applies at well. Whenever someone argues for both sides, the pro-chloe crowd often falters because they're unable to view everything in its objectivity. Both sides have their faults but the pro-chloe side is starkly more detached from reality and generally wave away facts that even the original developers themselves said.

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>>544760727
All of this wouldn't have happened if you just let the last thread last normally, as it was a rightful follow up to the previous one and shouldn't have been pruned at just 120 posts

>>544760727
because his waifu's getting fucked right here

>>544760919
No one bumped it, there's no one to blame.

>>544760919
Nobody bumped it then I woke up to it being dead. Than a lrfag got mad I didn’t suck its dick in the op and made another thread

>>544761126
he seethes

>>544760837
The reality of the matter is, you argue like there's some sort of objective truth behind it but the reality is more complex and not exactly hard to graps; Max and Chloe are a popular couple BECAUSE of the original game centering around them, and the game strongest emotional moments tied to those two, as opposed to the other male romantic option Warren

LIS1 came in a time which queer relationshisp in media and videogames were still treated with kids gloves and not given enough space to shine. A lot of people really liked Chloe and people at the time rightfully realized that she's a complex character that is worth exploring, and her and Max content was popular and still is

>>544760525
I never defended Nathan and David though or said Chloe being dead was important. All I said was I could understand why people wouldn’t care for Chloe as a character. And unfortunately Chloe dying is an ending, one that half of players chose and is arguably the better written ending of the ending. I do think it’s a sad fate for Chloe to meet but I do understand why people would pick Sacrifice Chloe. I think the point of the game is that neither ending is “right”.

>>544761021
Threads that weren't being bumped enough didn't die like that, and we have DEfags actively getting mad and trying to contact the mod to remove it

>>544761503
Jannies should remove duplicate threads, basic 4chan rule newfag

>>544761503
seek help

>>544761386
>arguably the better written ending
I don't agree with that notion. Bay is an ending that goes against what LIS shows the rule of the world being, as it feels more of a Final Destination type thing. If the game was coherent with its logic, a storm would have still happened as Max sees it before Chloe even get shot in the bathroom, and in the alternative timeline there are still signs of it coming to the town

It has the emotional charge, but falls apart at a logic standpoint given prior rules established. If the game wanted to make this logic happens, then there wouldn't have been any signs of the storm coming with the timeline of wheelchair Chloe and it would be coherent with it

>I think the point of the game is that neither ending is “right”
I agree, and thats why there was no need to have a sequel that tries to respect both endings, when in actuality it respect none of them

>>544761503
>Threads that weren't being bumped enough didn't die like that
That’s exactly what they do. It just fell off page 10 and that’s it
>trying to contact the mod to remove it
To be fair, they reported the thread you made like 3 hours after that

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>Never believe that the anti Chloe trolls are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge.
>But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Chloe have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors.
>They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

>>544761913
absolutely delusional

not to mention you've been begging for new content with them for 10 years straight, throwing tantrums whenever the game isn't about them

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>>544762601
>Be Deck Nine
>Get a contract with Square Enix to make LiS games
>Make Before the Storm, a prequel centered around the popular character of Chloe Price and her relationship with Rachel Amber as told by the first game
>It respect Chloe's character, with even a bonus DLC episode with her and Max as kids
>Successful enough to grant them other works and grow as a company
>Make Double Exposure, a sequel long requested by Square to cash on Max's nostalgia
>Shat on Chloe's character development and her bond with Max, trying to replace her with D9's shallow OCs
>It bombs so badly it starts a domino effect leading to D9's downfall as a gaming company
>still contractually obligated to push out a DE2 despite crunch, lack of manpower, constant layoffs and the looming shutdown of the company

>>544762753
I did not ask for Double Exposure or that horrid story, do not confuse me for someone else. I was perfectly fine with the idea of pursuing a TC style anthology series with new characters and places desu

>>544761380
The original argument/discussion is not about them being a couple. They are and are not a couple, however.

>>544761913
The game's logic when it comes to the storm is coherent. There's no actual reason for the storm. You can view it in many ways such as Max associating her guilt for abandoning Chloe as the reason why but it's just one interpretation for it. BTS explored Chloe respectfully imo but I agree, more could be said. LiS 2 just gave us a template of what she and Max could become, nothing more.
>when in actuality it respect none of them
It respected both endings.

>>544761913
I personally feel Bay was better written because it felt more “complete”. Bae is just Chloe and Max driving for two minutes.

>>544763156
>The game's logic when it comes to the storm is coherent
If it was coherent, there wouldn't have been that many discussions on it when Episode 5 was out and people were arguing how silly the whole binary outcome was, don't make revisionist history

>There's no actual reason for the storm
The implication is more on Max's powers being connect as the more she rewind the more the storm and its signs gets stronger but its kept very vague and IMO a bit confusing

>It respected both endings
If you are blind maybe, but it did not. Max should be two completely different individuals following the endings, not ending up in the same place

>LiS 2 just gave us a template of what she and Max could become
It was a pretty solid cameo by the original writers on how they respected both Chloe and Max's characters without betraying the player choice and with minimal appareance. This is expecially true in LIS2 when the whole choice is all on the player as Sean bond and his relationship with Daniel lead to four different endings, with two of them having them being reunited as a strong bond

>>544762753
>pricefieldfags beg for max sequel
>chloe and max break up/aren’t friends anymore if you chose bae
>not like that!!! max needs chloe to be a character!!!

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>>544763612
>longer = better
I disagree on that logic, as I think the ending differences comes off as deliberate. One ending is a conclusive arc, the other is open for more adventures and exploration of the two, which makes it harder to follow up
Of course, it was never meant to have a sequel aside from what fans would have been able to create

>>544763945
I like how DEfags can't understand the simple concept of "respecting player choices" and past games, when the original creators made it clear >>544763873 that Max and Chloe would have stayed together and helped each other after the storm

>>544763156
>LiS 2 just gave us a template of what she and Max could become
>She's not happy because of the burden, that's why she's not smiling on our version of that photo...
Yeah, yeah, LiS2 gave us a template

>>544764338
>respecting player choices
The thing is, when you talk about “respecting the choices,” you’re really just talking about the headcanon you made up about what happens after your ending. Neither the first game nor the second, as Michel explained, ever promised that.

>>544763873
>If it was coherent, there wouldn't have been that many discussions on it when Episode 5 was out and people were arguing how silly the whole binary outcome was, don't make revisionist history
Not revisionist history, the game actively tells you Max could or could not be the reason for the storm. It's on the people back then that they couldn't comprehend what happened.

>If you are blind maybe, but it did not. Max should be two completely different individuals following the endings, not ending up in the same place
Again, it respected both endings; it respected your choice. Anything that came after is irrelevant when it concerns that argument.

>>544764338
I don’t know what you expected in a sequel, it was nearly impossible to actual do fleshed out endings for both arcs unless they made two separate games

>>544764384
Quote the full tweet instead of cherrypicking

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>>544765552
i got this

Max jumping between bae and bay timelines was a perfect premise for a sequel, such a shame

>>544765839
We could still have it yet!

>>544765839
>We never wanted a sequel with them, in the first place
>Max jumping between bae and bay timelines was a perfect premise for a sequel
Kek

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>>544764807
>headcannon
>SE reposted multiple times fanarts of Max and Chloe as a couple through the official LIS account
>Celebrated last year pride with pic related
>Made a promoted ice cream event with Max and Chloe
>all of this knowing what they were doing with DE

I guess you would have to explain to me what's the point of SE strategy

>>544766484
Oh, I can explain that real quick. They ran a focus group. Players outside the bubble told them who they want in the game and who they don’t

>>544766402
They hated the comics for it

>>544766969
And it went so well for them.

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>>544765790
Mixing the original tweet with fanfiction written by executives is a stupid move, because you make it seem like Michel is fine with DE when he even admitted he couldn't recognize Max when the trailer popped out and stated multiple times he never wanted a direct sequel to Life is Strange 1.

All his tweets are how he would think about a sequel, as the inspiration he would take, but its fair to assume he would ultimately give the choice to the player rather than remove it, as it was the same for Lost Records, LiS1 and LiS2

Max's DE dialogue is a rip off of Chloe from LIS1, when she compares her experience with Max in one week she was better than she was with Rachel Amber, but nice try

>>544767357
>because you make it seem like Michel is fine with DE when he even admitted he couldn't recognize Max when the trailer popped out and stated multiple times he never wanted a direct sequel to Life is Strange 1.
He's on the record as well saying he's fine with continuations as well; anyone's canon is canon. SE's benefits over the others is that they own the property and have money to produce games with it.

>>544766969
If that's the case why did DE sold so bad?
Either that didn't happen, or the focus group was designed poorly and without really having their target audience participate.
I reckon the first is more likely, I must have read it in at least two different places that Square execs hated Chloe's character with a passion, so if they produced a sequel it stands to reason that they would not have her in the game they were producing.

>>544766969
You are defending a multibillion dollar company idiotic choices who have turned the franchise into slop. And not even in a good manner, because that's what people who went to the focus group actually said:

>Just to say I went to the London focus group last December and I'd say more than half of us were critical of DE so I don't think the intention is to filter out people who don't like DE and only select players who will say positive things

"players outside the bubble" told them DE was ass in many ways, if they haven't figure it out already the issue on them not people who ship Max and Chloe

>>544767813
It's more petty than that, according to Ladydev one exec wrote an angry letter saying that Ashly Burch talked shit about Before the Storm (she did not, her AMA is still there and she praise the game) and thus they wanted to recast her, while another old letter they weren't happy with Rihanna Devries and didn't want to recast her as a major characters

All of this was delusional, but I do believe point to be realistic as well. It doesn't seem like those focus groups have improved or changed future LIS projects for the better

>>544767289
This game was doomed either way. All that talk about it selling millions if it had Pricefield is just laughable
>>544767357
>Mixing the original tweet with fanfiction written by executives is a stupid move
NTA, but that screenshot shows Michel and SE aren’t really that far apart on how it would’ve turned out
>he even admitted he couldn't recognize Max when the trailer popped out
You mean he didn’t recognize her by looks? Then he should’ve played the remasters. Her model’s literally built on the remaster rig

>focus group was designed poorly and without really having their target audience participate

All focus groups are ultimately worthless if there's no strong creative vision or someone who know what is doing and its capable of delivering it. SE is full of spineless money counters who cannot understand any artistic merit or creative vision, and should have been booted off years ago

>>544767813
>I must have read it in at least two different places that Square execs hated Chloe's character with a passion
It’s kinda like how paranoid schizos explain that the whole world is against them.
Anon, if she had shown good favorability in the focus groups, she’d be in the game

>>544768427
>but that screenshot shows Michel and SE aren’t really that far apart on how it would’ve turned out
You are making your own headcannon, which is funny given some comment prior. Michel is essentially saying that in his view, Max and Chloe would struggle but still remain togehter, as the trauma will be still a part of their lives but as LIS2 show they would find a way to navigate it. And in the second tweet, he explains how he would write that specific story if he had to, because he's a creative guy and he believe he would have to sit down and think what he would write for that type of story, but ultimately he said many times he never wanted a sequel and LIS1 story was over and done, which is not that hard to graps.

Bad faith and DEfags seems to go hand in hand tho not surprised media literacy is not your strongest suit

>>544766484
Feeding shippers so much was a mistake. As well as making to a sequel with a game that was never meant to have one. I blame D9 for doing it as a cash grab but fans begging for a sequel should’ve been careful what they wished for.

>>544768839
>leave this multi billion company and their focus group alone!
Anon, you are shill for big corpos, bet you like when EA - Activision - Ubisoft - Bethesda fuck you in the ass with their greed based decisions

>>544769402
You are defending a multi billion dollar company that fucked up and never took accountability, you aren't a sane individual

>>544769631
>defending
>in my post I literally say I blame D9
ESL or conveniently ignoring things to support a narrative?

>>544767269
Because they only want a sequel that’s about Chloe and Max scissoring for 10 hours

>>544769334
>You are making your own headcannon

>Michel said she’s unhappy in his tweet
>SE said she’s unhappy in their game
Oh yeah, totally just my headcanon

>would struggle but still remain togehter
Except he also gave a pretty sad reason for it, which you’re all conveniently ignoring
>in the second tweet, he explains how he would write that specific story if he had to
After that second tweet it’s pretty clear you’d rather have SE making the sequel than him. That would’ve been even worse
>he's a creative guy
Mhm, probably why all his games, except LiS1, are total garbage

>>544767269
I like the first four issues, but then the comic turned into a Amberprice AU with little stakes and I just stopped reading because it was not interesting nor compelling. I'm all about drama and exploration of what happeend post Bae, I do not think the comics were that good

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>>544765790
>havent been this happy in years
Oh, without a doubt

>>544771070
based kissu

>>544770913
Michel's says she's sad because of trauma but she and Chloe still move on together, as shown in LIS2, because they are all they have, and they help each other. And based on his past games, he will clearly give the player ultimate choice, like for Daniel or Nora and Autumn in Lost Records, while SE will not

You don't give a shit to understand beyond your narrow view, and you clearly do not care about this franchise, and you use nitpicking when its convenient because you wouldn't be able to hold scrutiny. Fuck off from here

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>>544771070
>I'm defending copypasted writing
>I'm defeniding the slop made by a big corporation greed
>I'm fine with D9 lowering standards as long as I can own pissfielders
This kiss killed the comapny fired all its writers

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>>544771721
Fixed

>>544770789
That's hot though

>>544770913
>After that second tweet it’s pretty clear you’d rather have SE making the sequel than him. That would’ve been even worse
What D9 did is tame compared to what Michel has mind. Imagine the nuclear fallout

>>544771721
>This kiss
This kiss made Max wet and made you seethe

>>544771961
Michel never wanted to make a direct sequel and he stated that many times. All he did was saying that he would have to sit down and think about what kind of story would he had wrote, with the themes gameplay and choices within it, which is fair and not the headcannon you are imagining

>>544771961
Michel’s used to it by now, especially after the meltdown the crazed shippers gave him post‑LiS2

>>544771784
>>544772029
>I HECKING LOVE DEFENDING CORPO SLOP

>>544771070
Who offered tongue first?

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>>544772494
Chloe

>>544772205
Oh, brother. Please read and comprehend what's actually being talked about.

>>544772314
Revisionist history, 2 had a lot of racists dudes who were pissed at getting called out in the game

>>544772686
I did, and I'm tired to see Michel's posts getting used as a confirmation of SE's retarded decisions

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>>544772494
Max of course. She's relentless in this game

>>544768427
>Michel
>I don't even recognize my own characters
>Anon
>he would have likely written something similar enough
Huh.>>544768839
That has little in common with how people with paranoid symptoms describe their experience (t. doc in Psychology).
But even if I'm mistaken about that, the question remains: if Chloe isn't in DE because focus groups and playtests showed people didn't want her in the game, and if the game was developed according to what tested better, why did DE sold so poorly?
It's the direct sequel of a game that sold more than 20M copies over 10 years, so by all expectations it should have sold a lot better than it did
The two most frequent complaints I read about it are that the last two episodes are badly written and that Chloe's not in it.
Now you might argue it's all delusional shippers, but even if that was the case, seeing how popular Pricefield is it seems short sighted not to consider that and add something in the game to AT LEAST placate shippers.

>>544775119
Let's not forget that Square pandered to the Pricefield crowd when it was convenient to them, so if they did not want to continue that way... maybe they shouldn't have brought back Max in the first place? Crazy idea I know

>>544775119
>why did DE sold so poorly?
While I think angry shippers likely contributed, the franchise has been on a downward decline in the sales since the first game. BtS didn’t even crack a million sales despite it coming directly after LiS. Then LiS2 and TC each which sold much lower than its predecessors. LiS was lightning in a bottle and instead of letting it, the devs kept milking it dry for money. I think LiS2 actually could’ve done better without the franchise name attached to it.

>>544775119
>why did DE sold so poorly?

Because it dropped at the absolute worst time for this kind of genre. Because the price was way too high for what you actually get. Because it’s blatantly missing half the content so the corp could cash in. Because the marketing before release was a total mess with no clear audience. There are plenty of reasons

>>544773370
>billion dollar company please give me out of character honry Max I will slop down your feet

>>544775912
And on top of that, it was a poorly written story that paid little care for its predecessor.

And honestly, I really have no idea how after this mess they can even sell a DE2 even if the price was lower

>>544775920
you seethe

>>544776091
They'll shove MUH CHLOE in it and it will sell billions

>>544773370
Oh, my poor girl who's way too obvious.
Also, hope she's into squirting

>>544776290
Weren't you saying before that Pricefield wouldn't have saved DE from flop?

>>544776092
And you guzzle slop while defending the poor billion dollars company

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Revisiting the Michel tweets and damn I don't think the fandom would have enjoyed him going full-blown 'Blue Valentine' or 'Broken Circle Breakdown' with Max and Chloe. Those movies are two explorations of relationships collapsing in truly miserable ways. And even if Michel offered a chance for Max and Chloe to stay together, imagine a scene like this, but between Max and Chloe instead. Would fans really want to see them resenting each other and struggling to care for one another? https://youtu.be/cBvFsIF5GNE?si=umpqTLG2rC2mXlJ4

Michel likes the player to feel things. But he often doesn't want you to feel good. Dude likes his misery-porn at times.

Every game in this franchise is shit but the first one. You all are arguing over nothing

>>544777102
That tweet always goes over their heads

>>544777102
exactly why they shouldn't even open their mouths with all that 'but muh Michel tweeted that' crap

>>544777102
>they are all they have
That sounds unhealthy and codependent

>>544777578
As much as Michel loves misery porn, he would still give the player choices to fix things up. LIS2 and Lost Records relationship mechanics are literally on the player choices, leading to different outcomes so I have no doubt when he says he would have to think about it and write it down he will have to consider that he's not going to be a 100% reenacting of Blue Valentine but players will also need to have a choice in what they think of the relationship and how it ends up. If they can get four different endings with the brothers going separate ways and the other staying together, then I don't see why he wouldn't do the same for a Max and Chloe sequel.

For a tragedy pilled frenchman, he understands that you can't just half ass a break up story with the filmsiest of reasons and pretend people will be ok with zero effort put in, you need a bit of build up and bones to it

>>544781503
Michel never wanted a Max and Chloe sequel in the first place, what he's saying is how he would consider doing it

>>544782635
That's your headcanon

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>>544777102
>And even if Michel offered a chance for Max and Chloe to stay together, imagine a scene like this, but between Max and Chloe instead. Would fans really want to see them resenting each other and struggling to care for one another
>Michel likes the player to feel things. But he often doesn't want you to feel good
That's the whole reason LIS worked out the way it did. And as long as he would make sure that choices made in LIS1 are still in the control of the player, and that we can influence our relationship to go south or stay together, it would have been not too terrible. At least Max and Chloe would still feel like the characters they are and not a caricature written by Riverdale tier hacks

>>544782635
This

>>544783660
>it reinforce my headcannon so it must be it

>the pitch for True Colors 2 according to Square Enix
Alex and Steph would totally break up, as we know sometimes relationship don't work out and it's totally realistic it could happen, regardless of what you have choosen in the previous game. Anyway, we added two brand new shallow LI interest that are presented to you with barely any character development right after you say you were broke up, have fun with it

>>544783287
Just like PF being romantically involved

>>544784669
>noooo you can't have them being romantically involved

>>544782635
>they are all they have
That line of his sounds downright hopeless, almost like “they don’t know anything else in life, for a really sad reason”

>>544784797
Did I say that? I just said it’s a headcanon as it’s up to the player on how Chloe and Max’s relationship is

>>544783123
Agreed that he'd likely provide an option to keep Max and Chloe together. But here's another scene from Blue Valentine where it's genuinely hard to keep watching it because the fighting between the characters feels so painful and you feel kinda gross when you're done seeing it. https://youtu.be/RaI_IldmkFY?si=_6v94VTsaS7VVFaY

Same holds true of Broken Circle Breakdown. It's a tough watch. That's the thing about Michel. When he says he'd want scenes of Max and Chloe 'trying to make it work while being hard', those scenes may genuinely be difficult to watch for the fan-base. Dude doesn't sugar-coat the tough stuff.

And if he writes a 'parting ways' ending as one of 4 ending options for Max and Chloe that would become a genuine canonical option. I think that's why he insisted he didn't want to continue Max and Chloe's story. As a storyteller, he'd want to make certain elements heart-wrenching or uncomfortable and he knows some fans wouldn't vibe with that.

>>544786629
Therein lies the problem with that. Nevermind the illusion of choice the players will be given, most fans will take issue with the writing; how can their "relationship" deteriorate to such a degree? Why are they acting like this? What went wrong? etc. If he bases the heartbreak on those two movies, nothing good will come of it, maybe hollowing the two if they stay together. He can write the complete opposite too but I think he prefers his characters and relationships to be more grounded.

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>in the original game Chloe is (likely) on Fluoxetine (aka Prozac)
Huh...

>>544786629
I respect that he understand his french tragedy porn sense might be too much and prefer to let the audience have their own way, he has class in doing so. And desu, if it was like that I would necessarily like it, but ultimately I would respect the full vision than D9 half assing it in the most spiteful and mediocre way possible

>>544789437
That's why he says he would have to sit down and figure it out, unlike hacks like Aysha

>>544785486
with what he said above, that line's literally saying just that

>>544791909
what's she got to do with it? she only wrote the dialogue for two characters in that game

>>544790840
Rachel looks like she’s about to go to town on the Chloussy

Who's more likely to show up in DE2, Victoria or Alex?

>>544794235
I hope Alex

>>544791909
Not the point. Fans will take issue with the writing regardless of who writes it. Just because Michel wrote it doesn't magically make it better. If DE is the same as it is but he's the one who wrote it, would you accept it at face value? Most likely no, right? And the "he wouldn't have written it this way" argument doesn't count.

>>544794703
you know how it works with them. if Michel had written DE as it is, not about Pricefield, they'd be seething, just like with LiS2. but if the next title was written by, say, Aysha, and it was about Pricefield, they'd totally accept it at face value and go around calling it 'soul'

>>544794235
Alex if they go with the wannabe Avengers plot.

>>544794235
None of those two

>>544795714
Unfortunately, I think so too. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a reassessment of DE down the line if the next game is "worse" . Much like LiS 2 recently which was hated for the wrong (debatable) reasons too.

>>544795714
You are all spitefully down with this pricefield hatred and for what? The franchise is in the worst state has ever been, DE is a huge turd and flop and Deck9 more like Dead9, DE2 will flop on arrival and the new books too, maybe theres a chance the show will be good but no reason to believe it will be a success

>>544796309
Who then? They need some selling points.
I'd like to see Kate but it's even less likely.

>>544796345
LiS2 actually improved on some aspects of LiS1 like the choice and consequences, and even at the time I thought it was great of them to do so even if I didn't like the escort mission format
DE1 doesn't improve on jack shit except mocap but for other aspects is a deep step down, and DE2 seems like it won't change much, the people who are trying to rehabilitate this wreck are doing out of revisionism

>>544798297
Chloe is a rare butch bottom. Max is so lucky.

>>544796893
There's not going to be any past characters and you are deeply delusional if you think otherwise

>>544800275
looks like it

>>544800050
Chloe gives switch vibes desu

>>544796345
it’s already kinda started. someone did ask for the anniversary what people think about the game. lots of takes, most of them like 'this and that was good, but that part could’ve been better,' etc. any real drama is stuck in fandom corners, it's not spilling over into the general public anymore, at least not in that kind of volume

>>544797004
NTA but I will always have respect for LiS2 as it’s the only game where your choices actually matter and doesn’t have binary endings.

>>544803563

One of my favourite pieces of fanart. Wish there were versions of this for all the possible kisses.

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>>544804190
The only thing Chloe's topping is her ice cream with sprinkles. (this is my own headcanon, and I'll act civilly towards anybody who has a different opinion)

>>544796238
they won't go with it

>>544768785
yea but anon, you are forgetting who got Izzy her job...

>>544810038
I think she was a bottom with Rachel but switched with Max

>>544811468
here were go again

>>544800275
>There's not going to be any past characters
That's a good thing, if you think about it

Was Max a virgin in LiS

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>>544811483
Seeing how Chloe acts tough but gets pretty vulnerable and emotionally needy, I see it more like, she'd play tough and be the top a few times, then act coy when Max offers to top for once, and after that make up some bullshit excuse for Max having to top every time.

>>544818938
No

>>544818938
Very obviously.
I don't remember exactly what it is, but in the ep.1 she makes a comment, maybe in her journal, about not being experienced/popular with guys, and she keeps saying she feels like a dork, she could never be a cheerleader, she could never pull off this or that hot outfit...

>>544819867
Not being popular with guys doesn't mean she ain't doing… other things

>>544821815
This

>>544806738
You are deeply overstimating the reassestment over DE desu

>>544811483
Rachel only gave herself to Frank and Jefferson

>>544826628
They probably fucked at least once before that, no way they never had sex

>>544826719
That was a one sided relationship anon, Rachel teased Chloe while she was getting backshots in Frank's van

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>>544819867

>>544832612
Kek
She always wanted some

Chloe tasting Frank’s cum when she went down on Rachel

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>>544794235

>>544834843
How would she know how Frank's cum taste unless...

>>544806738
pretty sure it was adnan who posted it

>>544826493
no one says about reassestment, but you can tell the reaction's starting to shift a bit

>>544837486
How do you think she paid for drugs

>>544844296
That's a lot of drugs!

>>544849085
It's a lot of cum!

>>544855894
Bean flavored cum

>>544858164
Kek

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>>544837370
We were robbed

>>544821815
I don't think there's anything suggesting she's doing anything with anyone else.
In BtS Chloe writes she masturbates, but there's nothing nearly as explicit in the original game.
>>544826628
Based on BtS and the fact that they can kiss it's quite plausible she had long, passionate and fulfilling sex with Chloe.
>>544844296
Frank gave Chloe a loan, I like to think they were friendly enough with each other that Frank didn't think to take advantage of her like that.

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>>544865912
>Frank gave Chloe a loan, I like to think they were friendly enough with each other that Frank didn't think to take advantage of her like that.
Maybe BTS Frank. LiS Frank is a different guy.

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>can't even reference or promote their newest game for Halloween
kek

>>544798297
>>544804190
This. It's clear that Rachel topped Chloe, but Chloe can be both the a submissive top and a regular bottom with Max

>>544870806
Their newest game's in playtest right now, way too early to promote it

>seethe thread died again
Lmao

>>544871572
Shut up, Bayster/Amberturd/DEfender.
SHUT UP!

>>544873215
you seethe

>>544871464
You mean their new flop? If last time more than half partecipants said DE was ass and did not like what was shown, I don't exactly expect them to change opinions

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I've never understood the massive insistence on which those three anons push for DE
the game killed Deck Nine as a gaming studio and we have now their corpse trying to push out a contractual sequel
There's only negative word of mouth and another surprise marketing campaign is not going to cut it
not to mention it's going to be a shitshow of poor design, writing and bugs that are going to be barely fixed as D9 fires their last devs
Why so much insistance on defending the indifensible?

>>544873416
I SEETHE

>>544875290
They're just trolling, they don't actually give a shit.

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>>544870205
Frank did lend Chloe 3k dollars closer to the events of LiS than BtS and he demands them back, I don't think he would have lent her any money if they didn't at least have a decent relationship, and if he was used to getting paid in sex he'd be demanding that instead of the money.
>>544870979
Can you call her a switch if she's the sub regardless of whatever position she's in?
I wouldn't.

>>544881461
Kind of feels like Rachel persuaded him to lend the money as a favor

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>>544881461
I feel like Max is more of a sub than Chloe. But Chloe enjoys how awkward Max gets when she's forced to be the one topping

>>544794235
you should schizo stalk Erika, shes deck nine HR nowadays and mocapped Safi!Max in DE

>>544884703
>mocapped Safi!Max in DE
Only a few small scenes or when they needed an extra actor. Don’t mislead people

>>544884703
I don't think Erika has much to do with the HR of D9, she can do her own acting jobs and she will survive even if D9 falls down

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>>544885167
>Don't mislead people
no Mazuu, YOU SHOULDN'T MISLEAD PEOPLE!

>Erika Mori as Maria, Okiri and Masterson in The Expanse
>https://www.instagram.com/p/C0c4A-XL1qE/?img_index=1
>https://youtu.be/_5e3M9WxjvE?si=DYspQYMSw37hR1OI&t=81


She's more involved than you hide her role to be dumbass.

>>544885869
Nice ai photo, can you send me the Stauder ai lora model?

>>544885869
She's dating D9 mocap guy, not that big of a deal really.

>>544886408
You mean Zachary Andrews?

>>544886408
she learned from the best (Izzy)

>>544887090
here we go again

>>544886575
Yup. If you were wondering why he was at the signing and panels with the LiS actors.

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Shh.

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Next game from Montreal leaked

>>544883208
I feel like Rachel and Max would be jealous of each other

>>544885869
>no Mazuu
Jesus, you're even dumber than him, anon.

Also, thanks for reposting the link I was the one who dropped here back in March. You could've at least posted the other mocap vids too, the ones showing Hannah doing both Maxes and a male actor doing the action scenes. They're on youtube as well, not even unlisted

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>>544901254
I feel like Max would be mostly interested in Chloe. Rachel wouldn't be a as emotionally invested as the other two (as evident by her sleeping with Frank while Chloe is head over heels for Rachel) but would find it cute to hook her two subs up with each other.

>>544890143
Both baysters, by the way

>>544901254
Max might be jealous of Rachel, but Rachel would be glad her lesbo bestie had a real girlfriend.

>>544904956
Based

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Rachel would be the top dom

>>544901670
saw that too, the dude did the cliff fall scene

>>544883208
Max is a service top and Chloe is a verse bottom. This is obvious to anyone who pays attention.

>>544906850
That’s why she had Chloe so whipped

>>544905183
Rachel still hit it first

Rachel would do her utmost to get rid of Max, and end up being told to get fucked.

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Deck9 concentrating on what matters.
Happy Birthday Eleanor.

>>544943000
And what do you think actually matters, clown?
Happy Birthday Eleanor

>>544943000
Why bother? She can't even remember it's her birthday.
(love her)

>>544943000
GILF

>>544890143
When the fuck was this taken?

>>544943000
That underpaid intern has to do something despite knowing D9 is working on the clock knowing he will be laid out next year

How can D9 have "upcoming in-house projects"? (latest laid off dev's resume)

>>544943000
Based

>>544947849
When making Farewell

>>544947785
Ms. Grant > Eleanor

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>>544947785
>>544965705
Claire's the all-timer GILF

>>544971992
Based

>>544971992
Kek

>>544971992
lmao

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Who is your Everyday Hero, /lisg/?

>>544904956
>11/02/25(Sun)02:27:16
Kek, true

I'm at the end of ep.2 I my second playthrough and I'm realizing I really was blinded by love, Chloe is a lot more selfish, impulsive and bitchy than I remember.
I also remember her saying "hella" a lot more.

>>544996738
She only says hella in the bathroom up to that point if I remember right then says it again at the junkyard? I should do a replay too and do a hella counter lmao

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>>544996738
I've never felt like Chloe was that selfish upon replaying the game, but most of that is because she's very verbally loaded and in your face. And of course, she believes that everyone that might have been helpful to her has abandoned her trust, as Joyce remarried fast into David and tried to hold a family together when she doesn't really had enough time to care for Chloe due to working at the diner, him being the paranoid abuser that he is, Rachel disappearing and Nathan and Frank... I'll be honest, I'll be a little bit selfish too as a way to be wary of other people

>>545001662
>everyone that might have been helpful to her
Helpful with what, lol?
>the paranoid abuser that he is
Jesus...

>>545001662
She shuts everyone out because she's using her father's death as an excuse for her behaviour. It's not that complicated.

>>545002741
Everyone gave up on her the moment she turned difficult and stopped trying to help her only to let her self destruct. From her school to her fucking mom. I don't care how annoying you might be, you don't give up on your family.

>>545002231
If you think it's okay to put surveillance camera everywhere in your house and slap your daughter, you might be a paranoid abuser too.

>>545002878
It's not that hard to grasp, but you have to remember those people who have taken over the general do not understand nor care about Life is Strange, hence they end up saying the worst possible takes on everything

>slap your daughter
It's also implied by the conversation and if Max tells about Joyce this is not the first time David was hand off on Chloe, and she almost tries to excuse it as a part of his character

>>545002878
>slap your daughte
Well, choose wisely then

>>545002849
She literally made insensitive comments about Kate almost killing herself because “Kate isn’t the only person with problems” and made it all about her and her issues

>>545002849
It goes both ways anon. If the person you're trying to help refuses it every time, there's only so much you can do and try even if you have the patience of a saint. Some people don't want the help, some are aware that they do need it but they're too set in their ways to actually accept any. It's not even a case of wounded pride in Chloe, it's quite literally her justifying her behaviour because of her perpetual "grief".

>>545010427
For the phone, she didn't know about Kate's trouble.
The second time, it was soon after she discovered Rachel was lying to her and was fucking with Frank.
There's a context and it's not like she said that directly to Kate. Do you always say intelligent things when you're angry?
And she apologizes to Max, twice.

So yes, she says stupid things but she also grows as a person thanks to Max. Max is basically her moral compass.

>>545013165
Yeah, it's so easy. I wonder why so many people go to therapy.

>>545013872
You keep making excuses for all her behavior instead of acknowledging Chloe has faults

>>545014864
They are literally aknowledging her behaviour you retard

>>545013165
Chloe does slowly improve with the help of Max through the game, she listen to her and actually regains a sense of balance. There are much worses cases than Chloe, and I'd say that Nathan of all people fit that description more than Chloe does

>>545014864
Uh, no? Of course she has flaws. She's a human being. That's what make her a believable and such a strong character.
You also meet her for five days in the worst period of her life and while they're after a serial killer and time travel shit. And during those days, she makes bad choices, says stupid things but also shows signs that she could be better, that Max brings the best out of her. She's the one who pushes Max to break out of her shell, she encourages her to persue her dreams.
Chloe isn't all white or all black.

Maybe you just lack the empathy to understand the suffering of a complex 19 years old girl.

>>545015570
One of the problems they both had was they were surrounded by enablers and I think Rachel was the biggest one of them all. They're in the same boat where they would improve if they got the help they needed, unfortunately Nathan got a Jefferson instead of a Max.

>>545015768
Funny reading you excuse‑clowns.
Look around — in real life you’d keep people like that far away from you, not feed yourself crap about them just having a “bad day.” Or five bad days

>>545015768
You’re missing the point, you make constant excuses instead of acknowledging Chloe isn’t a perfect angel. Chloe has a hard life but it doesn’t mean she has to be an asshole to everyone

>>545017556
Also funny to read your hate filled posts.
I sure wouldn't want someone like you near me.
I believe Chloe can be a better person, you don't. Different cultures and philosophy I guess.

>>545019159
>instead of acknowledging Chloe isn’t a perfect angel

>Of course she has flaws
>she makes bad choices
>says stupid things
>Chloe isn't all white or all black

>>545020039
Stop replying to these retards. They don't actually want a discussion, they want to make you mad.

>>545019581
You don’t know me, anon. Or the “philosophy” I follow, or don’t. This was my first post today, I just dropped in and read all these excuse posts. But you’ve been writing the same stuff for 10 years. And all of it about a character who was deliberately written as not a very good person. That’s exactly why all these excuses are funny

>>545015921
Nathan likely had some serious mental health issues and his father being a piece of shit, Jefferson only build upon what was already there

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>>545023662
>"you don't know me"
>assumes the other anon is the same person who has been in /lisg/ since its creation
>gets mad
Get a grip on where you are

>>545024928
they were talking about all the pricefags, same recycled takes for a whole decade. jesus, your brainpower is basically zero

>>545026937
touch grass please

>>545030453
You seethe

It's all incels that has taken uricksaladbar's video to be gospel. They want women to be timid and awkward like Max & Kate. So they get triggered when they see assertive women like Chloe, Rachel & Victoria

>>545032643
They absolutely are, you can see how they only see women as a sexual object to goon at, rather than their character

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>>545032643
>>545033464

>>545038034
Kek

is that reddit unc?

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>>544998760
She says it a few times, but just a few.
>Wrong, you got hella cash.
What an entrance...
>>545001662
>take the blame for her joint with David
>hell yeah Max we really showed that guy, fuck him, you're so cool
>be at the diner in no more than 40 minutes I'm fucking hungry don't be late or I'll starve
>ffwd 60 minutes
>yo Max I'm late just grab a seat and I'll reach you asap
>I got this power but I don't even know if it's gonna last
>hell yeah Max let's go play with it
>wait my troubled friend from school is calling me
>oh so you already found a new best friend? why don't you go hang out with her and let me down like absolutely everyone in my life instead
>I'm not going to shoot a guy
>good fucking job for letting that asshole take my gun Max
That plus the meds in her bathroom feel like the writer had read about borderline personality disorder but not in depth.
>it's a defense mechanism
It might be, as in, I'll shut out everybody who seems like they might leave me, if I don't put any trust in them they won't let me down.
And she did have a hard life, but whatever the reason she does act selfish, impulsive and bitchy.
>>545002741
Where does she say "I'm acting this way because my father died?"
She says a few times that when her father dies and Max left she only had Rachel, but I don't remember ever chalking up her behavior to that.
She might use excuses or selfish reasons, e.g. I stole this gun because I need to protect myself and men are all predators, but her father is always left out.
>>545002849
How did her mother give up on her?
In BtS she kept trying to help her and support her despite her questionable choices, and in LiS I don't remember seeing anything that suggests she stopped trying.

>>545017556
That's a fair point, many people would avoid Chloe on the basis of how she behaves, and they'd have good reason to do so since she does act selfish and bitchy, but as players we get to know she behaves like that because she's had a hard life.
Certainly harder than most people in the first world.
Imagine that: someone you see acting selfishly, recklessly, bitchy, ..., might be doing so because they had a hard life, or just a shit day, or because they're stressed out for a good reason.
It's up to you to choose whether to consider that possibility and give them the benefit of the doubt, or to take their actions as their whole self and avoid them altogether.

>>545052695
As they say - bad person

>>545053705
Oh sure, criminals get a free pass too if they’ve got a good enough reason.
We judge people by what they do, not by their sob stories, anon

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>>545055276
>if we acknowledge people's feelings and be kind to them despite their questionable actions we'll have to let criminals go free provided they had a hard enough life
I hope your post is largely motivated by a desire to look and feel coherent or to win an argument.
If someone kills another human being because they had a hard life they might be marginally more excusable than someone who kills another human being for money, but the fact remains that they've killed a human being and the law will have to be applied regardless of their circumstances, and this has nothing to do with my post.

As I wrote before, many people would avoid Chloe on the basis of how she behaves, and they'd have good reason to do so since she does act selfish and bitchy, so I'm not discounting the fact that """we""" judge people by what they do - more to the point, it's a well known fat that """we""" do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error
The point about Chloe, and about any random person who behaves in a way you disagree with, is that it would be naive and rash to judge her moral qualities based on her actions alone (which everybody up to this point has agreed to be questionable/irresponsible/bitchy/...), because we have the benefit of knowing where she comes from, and that she was a good person and a straight A student when she had a loving family and dear friends to count on.
You might say that having had a hard life doesn't justify Chloe being a bitch in an attempt to avoid getting her feelings hurt again, and that's a matter of personal opinion, but it would be naive to try to fit anyone in neat categories of "good person, does good things" vs. "bad person, does bad things", be they fictional characters or real people, since both fictional characters and (especially) real people are much more nuanced than that.

>>545052695
>How did her mother give up on her?
>I don't remember seeing anything that suggests she stopped trying.
How about when she constantly complains that Chloe is doing nothing with her life and has clearly stopped on trying to get Chloe to see a therapist or get an education. In fact it seems like Joyce expects Max to do the heavy lifting in steering Chloe in the right direction rather than herself.

>>545059362
My post was motivated by your word salad. I knew it’d trigger another wave of empty cope, and as expected, you just couldn’t help yourself. Nothing new

The reason people empathize with Chloe is because you are given all the information of her life. You know the why of her abrasiveness. And her being short with Max is warranted because of how Max treated her at her lowest. The fact she immediately took her back is an indicator of both how much she loves Max and how desperate she is for companionship.
In real life, id still feel bad for the person, but I probably wouldn't deal with their bullshit.
I still like her though. She's one of my favorite characters in gaming and her relationship with Max is sweet.

>>545064921
I agree with the second paragraph. Chloe is interesting as a character but I would probably hate her if she was real

All this chaos could’ve been avoided if those fuckers gave us a BtS sequel of right before Rachel died. I’d even take a comic of it.

Ashly Burch with some recent reflection on LiS. https://youtube.com/shorts/V-lXbAX9PMI?si=w4Iqdy8Qv9Xt_6Ae

>>545079551
She's so out of touch

>>545069015
Obviously, if players actually followed that logic, the final choice wouldn't be anywhere near 50/50

Maturing is realizing Sacrifice Chloe is the better ending.

Did the play testing happen yet? Hoping for some major leaks soon..

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She filtered millions

Lost Retard's thread got archived again. DEchads, why we cannot stop winning?

>>545099029
I'd prefer to be selfish. Fuck the town and all these people after what I've been through.

Although it would be nice to finish my education, but whatever