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>he defends arrowhead

I'm joining team nerf

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AP2 smgs feel pretty good though. BOO!

>>544758985
You just got past level 50?

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>165 damage
>light penetrating (suppressed)

tfw no jack o lantern helmet

>>544759049
Defender really fucks once you kit it out.
It doesn't get assraped ergo like most other guns when putting attachments on it.

>>544759134
>Slight nerf
>half damage at 100 meters

Also the "buff" doesn't do anything for reprimand.
The only thing it did was allow the reprimand to two tap hive guards when it could already do this. It has a shorter range to headshot devs. It is ultimately a nerf.

If you can tell me something that it got buffed for I'm all for it. But it loses breakpoints faster than it used to. So this is just a nerf.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised a swedish developer wouldn't acknowledge Halloween in their game.

>>544759318
Yeah but the sway skyrockets. I usually put angled grip on it unless I'm on bots.

>>544758743
Now I know why everything felt worse after the update while everyone here thought SMGs were so much better. You faggots can't aim for shit and only engage at literally <10m

>>544759331
>>half damage at 100 meters
>firing the reprimand at a target one h u n d r e d meters away
come the fuck on

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>>544759603
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>>544759545
They literally are beter at 30 to 40 meter ranges.
You know, the range where smgs are actually usefull to begin with and the range in which most fighting happens anyway.

>>544759345
Swedes do celebrate Halloween. Arrowhead are just far lazier and less professional than the Swedish average. I actually feel bad sometimes for the semla eaters. They're mostly upright hard working people and don't deserve to be judged by their fruity game industry.

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>>544759804
the dotted lines are what they used to be

>>544759829
>They're mostly upright hard working people and don't deserve to be judged by their fruity game industry.
you're right, they should be judged by their country's other shitty habits

>>544759740
>fuckhueg hitbox
>literally stratagem throwing range
>/hdg/: brooo you can't be accurate at that insane range brooo you have to get into melee range that's how I do it!
Just about done with these console pub-tier shitters

>>544758858
faggot

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>>544759603
100m is still quite short range
mid range starts at 350ish
long range basically doesn't happen in this game because maps aren't big enough and enemies have a pointless spawn range limit of 175m
still there's no reason to use any projectile that turns into confetti after a measly 100 meters lmao, reprimand got killed

>>544759951
So the other lines are higher in the ranges SMGs are designed for and where most the fighting happens.
Thanks for giving visual aid to the bufftoddlers though.

>inb4 they start moving the goal posts again

>>544759740
>70 = 100
gunships attempt to maintain a distance of 65 meters to their target (remember, markers measure range from the camera, not thep layer, so third person artificially inflates range)
also at that range the reprimand went from needing 18 shots to a front engine to 24 shots. from shit to a bit more shit

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>>544759345
Could've easily got another skull helmet what's wrong with them

>>544760221
>from shit to a bit more shit
So we agree it was a nerf.
Thanks anon.

>>544760275
I think AH only does edgy if they can sell it in the super store. They also only do content if it's already in the game and they have stats for it.

>>544760123
>100m is still quite short range
>mid range starts at 350ish
we're talking about in game not real life

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>>544758073
>>544758683
Well alright lets see:

Any gun that didn't get a durability buff feels worse. Mostly against bugs but the others too. You can cherry pick that it wasn't *ALL enemies* but you still face hundreds of those enemies in any given high haz mission so fuck you very much everyone using that bad faith argument, it's bullshit.

There's a couple dozen already but I can keep going.

SMGS and ballistic pistols feel worse, that doubled drag on top of the previously already doubled drag feels pretty fucking bad. That's another dozen~ish.

The pineapple still suck but now it has a lot more chance of accidental suicide and team kill potential. Feels pretty bad, Not sure exactly WORSE but I think if you're that pedantic then you can go fuck yourself.

Deadeye feels worse, lost some break points with the durability changes. Diligence too.. Goes for all the DMRs really.

Socom still can't pop devestator heads because the devs are dumbasses that didn't learn from the exact same thing happening a year ago with the anti-tank launchers lossing a damage immediately thanks ot drag and velocity. I'd say again it feels the same but then they went and doubled that drag as already mentioned, so yeah, worse. Plus the further loss of faith in the devs feels bad as a BONUS disappointment I guess!

I thought the MA5C would feel better with a 10 damage increase but it got no durable increase and, well there's already a whole back and forth about it still not being as good as the judi in the last thread, which also feels worse so yeah, shitty times all around

Lasers are just a fucking joke, have been for a while. Cannon might be an exception, but there rest? bleh.

All flame weapons, and to a degree all status weapons thanks to them "Fixing" (but not without something else breaking) the randomized application system without telling anyone.

SWAY.

I'd keep going but I've run out of characters and I've proven my point: You're dumbass, and (you) can't prove me wrong.

>>544760221
Merely a 33% damage nerf

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>HD1 REC-6
>Could throw this and detonate it mid air with R

>HD2 Rec-6
>Need to throw it, hold down R, click to swap fire modes, then press m1

>>544760512
>hold down R, click to swap fire modes
>2025
>Not binding R + left/right actions to horizontal scroll
Don't tell me you also have Jump pack bound to the space bar...

>>544760123
The reprimand AND the verdict, which uses the same, far more drastic falloff for some reason. As if it wasn't already pathetic enough next to he talon...

>>544760373
>SMGS and ballistic pistols feel worse, that doubled drag on top of the previously already doubled drag feels pretty fucking bad.
So you either didn't play the game and are just looking at stats again or you are the sniper schizo(even worse).

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>>544760123
>100m is quite sho-ACK

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>>544760347
yes same here
HD2 is a sniping and ballistics game in an identity crisis
it would be perfectly feasible to headshot bots across 400m, the only reason why we're not doing it is because Arrowhead implemented pointless limitations (awful scopes, spawn range limit, no vertical reversal) as to turn the game into dakka simulator i.e. something it never was meant to, and should not, be

>>544761397
helldivers is best when the fighting is within 25 meters.

>>544761470
fuck no it's mind numbing

Guys join /coopg/ we're cool :)
>>544652008
>>544652008
>>544652008

>>544759804
>and the range in which most fighting happens anyway.
I guarantee you never got a single yellow number in deaths, ever

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>>544758073
NTA, but on bugs:
>torcher
>cookout
>incel breaker
>impact fire nades
>fire nades
>crisper
>pyrotech
>flamethrower
These now all take slightly too long to kill alpha commanders, hiveguards, warriors, spewers and even hunters.
They genuinely feel way worse than before in a very noticeable way because all enemies get more windows of opportunity to reach you and hit you, while most of these weapons were already slow moving and without CC and now deal even less damage.
Let's not even talk about laser weapons, that have been the literal exact same since launch, with their only buffs being fire DoT, which now has been nerfed. So laser weapons are genuinely in the trash-can.
I don't even feel like going over bots, I have swiggers fatigue.
But basically, fire nerfs here as well for no reason beside "nooo stop killing factory striders so fast by going melee range!!!" When AT weapons can oneshot them from across the map.
Genuinely retarded nerfs all across the board for no reason beside mental retardation.
Also
>fire damage scales with health
>reduce fleshmobs health so now they take less damage from fire
>also make them more resistant to fire anyway "to balance the health reduction"

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>>544761397
>we start with the liberator and MMG
>the game isn't supposed to be a dakka simulator

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>>544761543
>it's mind numbing fighting and dodging stuff up close juggling enemies and kiting
>It's not mind numbing clicking something 200 meters away when it can't hit you back

>>544761667
Why can't they hit back? Maybe it's related to the multiple enemy accuracy nerfs you faggots cried for?

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>>544760905
>I disagree so it means you didn't play the game
Seems like you're the one not playing the game cunt. Unless you're only playing on the low haz levels where the devs play, like a pussy.
also
>"yOu dIDnT pRAy dA gAYmE!"
What else got loaded in that recycled gun? What other frozen solid Glazer takes you got?"
Gonna tell me to "Lower the difficulty"
"Skill issue"?
"The 60 day patch was a mistake?"
"the PSN thing wasn't a big deal?"
"We only failed the MO because of the bugdivers?"
Get new insults shit bird, you were stale before you walked in. Maybe try an actual counter argument instead of insults. It won't get you any further but you MIGHT come off as less of an underage dipshit.

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>>544761470
Fighting into a bot command bunkerlowing and blowing it up with the hellbomb is one of the coolest things to do in the game.

>>544761651
Paizuri.

>>544761667
if you find any challenge in melee or shooting things in a 100m radius you are spectacularly bad

>>544761926
based

>>544761880
>i play the game guys
>i play on high haz
Bro, you're playing DRG...

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I don't think I have unironically played even once for the last month.
At best I just check every few days if an MO has been completed so I can get welfare medals to spend on few items I skipped over.

I guess it's time to uninstall, I'd probably keep it just in case if it was reasonably sized, a 30GB game that's more than quadrupled in size for no reason is just fucking insane.

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>>544761880
>Unless you're only playing on the low haz levels where the devs play,

So is Joel lowering the resistance today or tomorrow?

>>544761651
Can't even set Scavengers/Hunters/Shriekers on fire with the IB/Cookout from far away without wasting an insane amount of ammo anymore. Genuine fucking bullshit that fire keeps getting nerfed

>>544762230
Probably like 3 or 2 days before the MO ends.

>>544762273
it was too good for too long.
It's pay back chud.

Seriously though cookout was genuinely broken, like people bitched about the coyote, meanwhile the cookout could click once and set an entire patrol on fire.

>>544762273
Cookout was harshly nerfed a few patches before this one. Now it's completely dead.
I think it took like 5 nerfs in a row and went from pretty good to absolute shit in like 3 months.

>>544762230
You just got your wish anon it’s 3.5% now

>>544762734
JOEL IS WATCHING THE THREAD AAAAAAAAAAH

>>544762406
Broken? All the Cookout had over the Punisher was efficient chaff clear in exchange for dogshit burst damage. Now it's just bad. Good job retard

>>544762823
nigga it was stronger than taking napalm eagles.

>>544761651
The torcher / flamethrower can't even kill voteless anymore, not only do they have worse TTK than ballistic weapons but all the damage is in the flames impacting the target so if one trash mob charges up to you and all the other dudes behind him use him as a meatshield you do no damage. Utterly fucking retarded

>>544762930
is it really that bad?
Cause it feels the same as ever.

>>544762882
It was also stronger than taking Orbital Smoke, why the fuck should I care?

>>544760373
>Any gun that didn't get a durability buff feels worse. Mostly against bugs
which guns actually had a negative breakpoint change vs warrior heads?
Liberator, Liberator carbine was 2 and still is 2 but only at point blank range, 3 outside of 10 meters so we'll give it
diligence was 1 now 2
M7S was 2 now 3
STA-11 was 2 now 3
Knight was 2 now 3
Sickle was 3 now 4
Scythe was 0.43 seconds now 0.51 seconds
Constitution was 1 and still is 1 but only at point blank range, 2 outside of 10 meters so we'll give it
Stalwart, MG, patriot MG was 2 and still 2 but only at point blank range, 3 outside of 10 meters so we'll give it
Laser cannon was 0.4 seconds now 0.5
Dagger was 0.6 seconds now 0.7
every other gun not mentioned is unchanged

vs hive guard heads
lib pen was 7 now 9
adjudicator was 5 now 6
pacifier was 8 now 11
DCS was 2 now 3
reprimand was 3 now 4
verdict was 3 now 4
HMG was 2 now 3
MG, patriot MG was 5 now 6
Laser cannon was 0.7 seconds now 0.8
emancipator AC was 1 now 2
every other gun not mentioned is unchanged

it's actually bots that have the biggest impact with devastator legs getting 30% durability
only the slugger, AC, and AMR kept their breakpoints with everything else getting worse.
but then the legs are a secondary weakpoint you only go after if their head isn't visible so it's not felt all the time like with shooting warrior heads

>>544762882
Delusional.
The cookout was strong but never that strong.
>>544762823
It also had slightly better aoe and staggerforce

>>544763054
>gives a fucking spreadsheet as an answer
You should apply at arrowhead, you'd fit right in

>>544763054
Merely a 25 to 33% nerf on the few decent weapons, nothing to worry about, they compensated with more ammo and less reload time
Oh

>>544762930
It has been this bad and worse since freedoms lame.
The only niche use for flamethrowers i found is tank vents and dog bellys, apart from those you are better of meleee attacking enemies with it.

>>544763023
Fire has never been this anemic before, the flamethrower was perfectly serviceable on d10 many many moons ago

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>>544763031
>hey this thing kills more chaff than a litteral airstrike
>well it's better than... thing that doesn't kill things

>>544763073
>The cookout was strong but never that strong.
we unironically house ruled people couldn't bring it it was that strong.

Like one single pellete would set anything it touched on fire (because every pellete hit for 400 status effect due to host bug and normal application rate)
You fire into a crowd and you could litterally rain fire down from up high.

shit just died anon.

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>>544762056
>hE uSeD tHa wRonG wORd tO sAy tHe SaME ThInG. Iz dUM
Yeah, because I play of other games instead of just sucking Arrowheads cock like you Glazers do all day. Other, better balanced games like DRG, which I put hundreds of hours into before Helldivers even came out. So yeah, I actually know what good balance and game design looks like. What it feels like when devs actually listen to the players and, wouldn't you know it, just fucking FIX shit without any strings attached or lying. Helldivers should be considered fortunate enough to still even be compared to it. It sure as fuck hasn't earned it.

Also, that's STILL not a counter argument, dipshit!

I'm going to bed, fuck all you glazers. Enjoy your dying game, it's terrible balance and devs who don't think you're worth jack nor shit enough to respect in the slightest. You deserve their lies.

>>544763330
Napalm is bad, again, why should I care? Should everything be bad because Orbital Smoke is bad, too? Because that's your argument. Bad stratagem = worse weapons

>>544763330
If it was that strong you surely have a clip of you killing 100+ bugs with it alone in a few seconds, right?
I know you don't, because you are exaggerating how strong it was.

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Well this is awkward...

>>544763054
>lists out all these things that basically need 50% more shots to kill

Anyways yeah I think it's a cool change, but yeah it's a pretty big nerf to output against these guys.

>>544759049
>doesn't say "Oh maaaaaaaaan, this gun slaps! I'm having a blast!"
ONE FUCKING JOB

>>544763330
So you're saying the cookout nerf was justified?

>it's just one more shot bro!
>1 -> 2
>100% increase
>ammo effectively halved, ttk effectively doubled
stfu bro, just stfu

>>544763286
>>544763539
the only ones you would even feel is the diligence and constitution and who used the constitution even before the patch? the rest are high RPM or large capacity guns where 1 extra shot is imperceptible unless you're very deliberately and slowly pacing your shots

>>544761667
is it now

melee/cqc
>kite
>destroy
>rinse
>repeat

mid/long range
>compensate for velocity, drag, falloff
>lead your shots
>use terrain, acquire high ground
>overcome low visibility
>multi-task sniping with not getting flanked by the patented surprise patrol

>>544763408
Cool you played other games.
But try playing this game before posting your awfull opinions.

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>nerf basically everything
>claim you buffed basically everything
>the majority of people even believed it for a few days
>until it's proven you lied and you even confess to it
What's their endgame?
Why do they keep lying?
Why are they self-sabotaging this hard over and over for absolutely no reason?

>>544763553
>I'm having a blast!
I'm just about ready to filter this line out of existence

Did people actually use single shots with an AR when ammo is so abundant in this game?

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>>544763489
>If it was that strong you surely have a clip of you killing 100+ bugs with it alone in a few seconds, right?

no actually I don't because that was like .
But I do have this old pic of me doing the same with napalm about a year ago. : )
But yeah I'm not going to magically find an old clip of me doing something 3-5 months ago.

>>544763898
>spread sheet gamer
>Trigonometry shooter

>>544763581
yeah

>>544763489
don't even try to pretend the cookout (and the incendiary breaker before it) was not the undisputed #1 king of the bug front from the moment it was introduced to the moment status effects were changed

>do some friendly fire for fun at extraction
>doesn't even kill just ragdolls
>guy gets up and starts killing me over and over
jesas...

>>544763920
>nerf everything including enemies
Buff warstriders!

>>544763990
>when ammo is so abundant in this game?
Clearly you've never been in a last stand kind of situation with no pickups and resupply on cooldown

>rupture strain
>see patrol
>shoot them with plasma punisher
>they burrow
>shoot them again
>they unburrow
What is the point of this

>>544763892
>where 1 extra shot is imperceptible unless you're very deliberately and slowly pacing your shots
>Fight 15 warriors
>instead of headshotting each of them with 30 bullets I need exactly 45


Yeah you feel it

>>544763892
>I'm stupid and my cerebral palsy doesn't let me click less than once, why don't you play like I do?

>>544762734
Fucking called it!
I literally had no idea I just figured they were keeping the MO alive until the weekend like they have done in the past.

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>>544764227
Uh, yeah?

>>544764230
Restricting gameplay to AoE weapons then nerfing AoE weapons when they inevitably shoot up in usage rates. No I'm not kidding, exaggerating or even baiting, they WILL do this

>>544764548
shit I didn't know they made the rupture strain show up on every single planet in the game, even on the bot and squid fronts

>>544764652
>They will never nerf fire DoT, it only really works against bugs

>>544764295
>people in this thread slowly realize why break points are huge

>>544764162
>no arguments
melee/cqc emphasis made the game more boring than it could have been full stop

>>544764516
if you want to feel extra smart re: your spoiler, go to reddit and bask in the butthurt comments about people "not understanding the MO" and crying about how it'll never be won

They won't nerf the Eruptor, the Charger instakill is a situational trick shot :^)

>They dropped oshaune to 3.5%
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
CALLED IT
AHAHAHAHAHA
>YOU VILL WIN AND LOSE AS WE DECIDE

>weapon is bad
>engooden it
>pick rate of that weapon climbs
>kill it
>engooden a different weapon
>pick rate climbs
>kill it
>repeat
Does no one else see how fucking retarded this approach to game design is
The pre-patch Cookout is not even comparable to the current eruptor / crossbow winter

threadly reminder that blowing up fabs on strat jammers from long range stops anything from spawning at the base. enjoy your cakewalk!

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Launch breaker and scorcher were perfect, primaries should have been balanced around that level

>>544764915
>go to reddit
Nah, dog, I'm good.

>>544765081
I'm going to test that every time I see them and if I don't get a >80% success rate I'm going to rape you

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Here's your Major Order: stop playing this dogshit garbage game.
Here's your reward.

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AH brought the game to the brink of death with their retarded balancing once, and they will do it again. Swiggers are incapable of learning.
God I wish HD2 had good devs.

>>544765405
>once
First time?

>>544765270
Already done, I'm only here to make fun of these retards who still play the swede poop game.

>xhe thinks they're gonna nerf the eruptor
Do you have the memory of a goldfish, troon?

>>544764960
So basically our efforts don't really matter and the game was rigged from the start?

>>544765804
They should desu
The ongoing state of the Eruptor throws all weapon balance out of wack.

That's honestly more pathetic honestly

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>>544765813
WAIT WHAT?!?!?!

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>>544765759
>seething so hard over getting filtered by D10 that you keep coming back here to cope about it

>run with map open
>no enemies around
>close it
>turn around for 0.2ms
>turn back
>literal army of pred hunters and stalkers just spawned right next to me
It's starting to really be obnoxious.

>>544764960
What the fuck anon, you lied to me! It's still at 13.9%

question to the people who say the game is badly balanced
what do you consider "good balance" ?
weapons having obvious strengths and weaknesses and trade-offs between each other with some being better than others in certain situations and circumstances?
Or every weapon being capable of quickly killing any enemy?

>>544765941
They never will again.
That was LITERALLY the rallying cry used by the community to demand the original 60 day patch.
The fact that you don't remember that means you're either new or retarded, and in either case your opinion doesn't matter.

>>544765813
>almost 2 years later, and people still haven't realized this
You'd think that more people would know, since we had evidence of Arrowhead tampering with liberation progress since the first month of the game

>>544766068
Anya rape correction

>>544766157
record and post it because that shouldn't be possible

>>544766259
>thinks that I don't remember because I think the Eruptor should get nerfed
Retarded or bait

>>544766439
>wasting time and energy thinking about things that will never happen
Okay, dumbfuck.

The bots should have a marksmen constellation with new guns. I vote for them to be Canadian flavored.
>troopers get a laser Ross rifle, each cartridge fires a three round burst before ejection, 5 bursts total.
>marauders get a huot gun, has a drum with a capacity of 25 bursts. Reload has them plug the magazine into their backpack, swapping it with another lining its sides
>scout striders get a bunker turret in their turban, but with a longer cooldown
>aggressive moose coded war strider to go into melee and explode on death (turban optional)
Have them deploy further away while scattered rather than grouped up.
>>544763054
Nice list, but I take exception in one regard: bugs slow down in kill time is unavoidable. Bots increase in kill time is completely unnoticeable if you’re a head click diver.
That said I don’t mind warriors being tougher, as they’re more or less the first level of bug that seems like it should be an overt threat meta wise, but are barely even road bumps in practice, so a small buff to them is nice.
>cries in overseers being nerfed, twice in some cases

>>544763286
The fact sub machine guns have fewer reloads than rifles is truly painful

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>>544766327
>t.

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>>544766068
cease your glazing, cringe nigger

>>544765268
when i say from a distance i mean it, but i've had it work consistently game after game if i'm far enough. i'm curious if anyone can repeat it, i could probably get consistent video of it at this point

>>544766221
More kills more deaths more fun. So far it's only been less kills less deaths less fun

My next predicition:
>muh cessions
in the next 15 minutes

Good games used to be
>735, 482, 395, 1321 kills
>3, 1, 4, 3 deaths
Now it's just
>174, 217, 193, 430 kills
>0, 1, 0, 0 deaths

Guys, i'm thinking i'm going to leave my game idling while I'm at work, just so it offsets any liberation caused by me playing the game.

>bugmen losing every battle AND failing their MO
It’d be funny if it weren’t so embarrassing LMAO

>>544767603
you can't idle if you get kicked for being afk tho

>>544767603
You being logged in doesn't do anything. You need to actually be running ops and presumedly failing them.

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>>544767603

>>544767603
congrats on doing nothing other than increasing your electric bill i guess

>>544765804
What...
Like they didn't nerf coyote?

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>saw a /hdg/tard in the wild
>he bringing RR, lib pen, ultimatum and other crutch shit to bot
>only ever see him bringing the MG and other unpopular support weapons, light pen primary and Talon when playing with anons
So this is what you retards be doing when no one is watching you huh? So much for being contrarian

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Lock in, lads

>>544767805
Pretty sure the people idling on super earth, who can't be on missions, count towards the % of players needed for liberations. Accoding to the 3rd party app, anyway.

I knew the changes to smgs were going to be nerfs from the moment I saw them, not only by the number, but because I might be the only one who actually uses the variable somewhat regularly.
It had a better rate of fire and damage per hit than any other smg, but still felt less useful in game than an ergo tanked liberator for example, as well as vs other similar options.
It’s like the design and its firing modes being icing on the cake, but The impact delay and damage loss over distances was very noticeable.

>>544768285
the trannies here actually peer pressured each other into not picking meta weapons in fear of losing their clique cred

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>>544768416
>you vill eat ze bugz
>you vill vin
>and you vill be happi

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>>544768416
Bugsisters, we're so back...

>>544768105
>new patch
>eruptor's main explosion damage reduced by 10%
>Most enemies now take an additional 15% explosion damage

>>544768416
>attack on Hellmire in 5 hours

>>544768416
watch and learn, bot trannies

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Tldr on the new dev Q&A video?

>>544768765
Didn't watch nor care

>>544768606
>REEE IT GOT NERFED
>ALL OTHER EXPLOSIVE WEAPONS GOT STRONGER SO IT GOT NERFED!!!

>>544768765
TLDR: "game development are hard :((( pls no bully"

>>544768440
They are presenting data and you are making assumptions as a result. People have datamined the formula, we know how this stuff works (not that knowing makes much of a difference on an individual level and good luck trying to herd the cats).

>>544768285
Admit it, this never happened and you just want to stir up shit.

>>544768993
>cat posting parasite riddled troon
>lying on the internet
Never!

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Bugniggers should be funny and vote the DSS to Crimsica

>>544768416
You’re still going to fumble this MO lmao

>>544768993
I asume every cat poster is baiting.
Because it seems unlikely even a person with brain eating parasites can be that stupid.

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>predditor MO on high resist planet
Miss me with that shit

Bet the new warbond isn't announced yet is cause the trailer has a bunch of footage from the new bot missions and we wouldn't be hecking surprised

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>>544769347
NOOO YOU MUST PLAY THE MO!!! ITS YOUR DUTY TO SUPPER EARTH!!!! THINK OF THE REWARD WE ARE GOING TO LOSE!!!! NOOOO

>>544766221
Something decent, doesn't have to be blatantly OP, just usuable and nice to use. Leave the really really strong stuff to support weapons.
Right now, the new stuff we have is shit guns, and the support weapons are mid at best.
>Epoch, support, released with 150 spread, the average weapon is 2 to 5 spread, couldn't even blow up holes or fabricators.
>Variable, primary, just a worse stalwart with a gimmick that's funny the first time you shoot it but then becomes annoying, comes with the neat feature of you having to manually set the fire rate every time you respawn because it's not fun enough.
>Pacifier, primary, worse liberator concussive but it's medium pen.
>De-escalator, support, an absolutely dogshit gun that takes two business days to reload and was neutered because it dealt decent damage due to a bug. Does basically no damage.
>Amendment, primary, very niche, le accuracy weapon but it's light pen.
>The fucking FLAG, support, the worst weapon in the game since it's a fucking reskin of the stun lance and takes up your fucking SUPPORT SLOT.
And most recently.
>Expendable napalm, support, very niche, just in case you really really don't want to use the less inconvenient eagle napalm.
>Speargun, support, really bad at killing stuff since it's a single shot weapon, it's only use is to have a gun that blows up bug holes when you want to level up something that isn't the crossbow or eruptor.
>Coyote, primary, the one actual non-dogshit medium pen that deals damage and sets up enemies on fire, but AH of course couldn't stop themselves from making sure it gets a nerf because we wouldn't want to have too much fun hmmm?

>>544763920
The perfidious swede cannot but lie with their every breath. Its in their being.

>>544764224
>"nerf" enemies
>undocumented changes: increased their durable health so they have more EHP than before

>>544769705
Ill be idle for the longest time and this fucker finally opens his mouth and spooks me

>>544768606
Not even close to what they'd do lmao.
It'd be something like
>"We've made some changes so that some explosive weapons will be more competitive to the Eruptor, without nerfing it."
>Increased explosive damage on the Scorcher, Punisher Plasma, Accelerator Rifle, Grenade Pistol, and Grenade Launcher by 15%
>Light-bodied enemies take slightly less explosive damage (all Explosive DR on light and medium enemies increased by 30%)

>>544769883
The last round of enemy nerfs was like
>Decreased limb health by 100
>Decreased limb armor by 1
>Undocumented
>Increased main health by 1,000
>Increased limb durable from 0% to 80%

They've been doing this shit since forever.

They should simulate muzzle blast from big guns (think AMR onwards) kicking up dust into the air if you are shooting close to ground. I remember MGSV doing this

>>544769883
To be fair, warriors needed a buff with how weak they were.

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ADD NEW VOICE PACKS, SWIGGER SCUM

Explain durable damage to me like I’m retarded (I am)

>>544770098
They'll do it but you lose 10 frames whenever you shoot it

>>544770325
Basically damage resistance that's never explained ingame, different with every enemy and is different with every weapon (also never shown anywhere on the stats)

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>20 hours left to liberate Oshaune with 50% of the playerbase
>Now 28 hours left with 51% of the playerbase
Anything to get that nailbiter, huh Joel?

>>544770325
Guns do 2 types of damage, normal and durable. Which one you'll do to enemy depends on the durability of the body part you hit. So if it's 30% durable you'll do 70% of normal damage and 30% of durable damage.
>But whyyyyyyyy
Balancing breakpoints for different enemies.

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>>544770098
>Shoot gun
>Backblast is so powerful, it 100%s your CPU and GPU calculating the particles
>Because your hardware is so shit (latest AMD CPU and NVIDIA GPU) it cooks it instantly by having gameguard turn off your fans at kernel level at the same time

>>544770325
Enemy parts have a durable value, which is a percentage.
This will reduce your damage by that percentage, and will replace that missing percentage with your weapon's durable damage. For example:
>Weapon does 100 damage with 20 durable
>Enemy part is 50% durable
>You deal 50 damage + 10 durable, or 60 damage

>>544770593
>>544770672
>>544770867
Wow that’s fucking dumb but alright I guess

>>544770991
Don't forget that if you match, but don't exceed, a target's armour value, your weapon will only do 65% of its damage.

>>544770628
>Just enough to outlast the DSS action
>Will probably go up to 10 more hours afterwards
you will do the MO all week and you will like it

>>544768606
Allegedly the eruptor is the favorite gun of the devs. Along with the crossbow.

What if you started the Helldivers intro and once John Helldiver sees his family slaughtered he goes "Sweet liberty... YESSS!!!" and the video gets corrupted and he starts to look realistic and fucked up and evil and covered in blood and his mouth gets bigger what would you do what would you say would you fucking shoot your screen in fear

>>544771697
Id laugh because he "sweden Yes"sed

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>>544771697
No, John. You are the demons.

>>544771697
This game had an intro, right

>>544771697
what the fuck thats 2 spooky

>>544771697
RRAARGH!

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>>544771697

>>544771697
3spooky5me

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>>544771697
>What if you started the Helldivers intro and once John Helldiver sees his family slaughtered he goes "Sweet liberty... YESSS!!!" and the video gets corrupted and he starts to look realistic and fucked up and evil and covered in blood and his mouth gets bigger what would you do what would you say would you fucking shoot your screen in fear

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>>544762734
>>544762230
>>544762806
>>544764516
>>544764915
>this general is just as brain dead as reddit's retard ass and not realizing it's because the DSS orbital barrage engaged for the next 24 hours
FUCKING READ
YOU DUMB
MOTHER FUCKERS

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>level 30 brings explosive mortars on a difficulty 10 bug mission

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durability needs to stay and indeed be increased further as to shut down spammer gameplay and incentivize aim as well as efficient use of resources

>>544773664
Honestly a full zappy build is amazing on the hive world

For the love of god can we please build defenses or some shit on this planet after we take it? Like fuck it ask us to donate a million of each sample type and a billion credits, I don't care. I just need this shit to have a passive giga bonus for defense because I am not fucking DEFENDING THIS GOD FORSAKEN SHITHOLE AGAIN

>>544773664
Could be worse, could be a zap dog

>>544774024
Zap dog is so weird because its such a pain in the ass alone but if the whole team goes eletric resist and you have 4 of them then nothing ever gets close enough to kill you. It'll even stuck lock chargers

>>544774162
It's not even that i hate zap players but they make an effort to stand directly behind me. It's like they refuse to actually put effort into not killing their team

>>544774012
I can't imagine it would be that hard to just implement a passive 2% extra on the planet. With the lore being SEAF has been deployed.

>>544773664
Based. Only not gay sentry

>>544774162
full arc team builds were a thing since CE warbond, people don't run em because good luck convincing the other 3 to do the same

lobby doko

>at the current rate in 20 hours we will get to 80%
WE CAN FUCKING TAKE IT
FUCKING DIVE MOTHER FUCKERS

>>544775175
>bugchase
No. Get after it, get me those medals.

>>544773403
The DSS’s orbital barrage doesn’t lower resistance you dumb spaz it just gives an addition liberation buff

>>544775175
>Joel reduced resistance so you can win
Imagine thinking our actions matter at all

Kicked twice in one hour. Seems a bunch of soft gerbers are playing the game today, guess I'll start celebrating Halloween now.

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I'm content to fight squids.

>>544775840
Either that, or he expected more engagement. Oshaune with its underground sections is just not fun at all. Hello? Yes please I would like to remove a mechanic from being used entirely.

>>544776097
Wait until the new bot content comes out where you have to call in your super destroyer in an open map to even call in anything

>>544775175
>MO diving
No. I don't think I will.

>Joel has to tun down the difficulty on Oshaune for bugniggers
>they proceed to lose two planets and are in the process of losing a third
Holy shit

I like Oshaune in theory. My biggest problem is that the map is so fucking formulaic. I can immediately tell where all the cave stalker nests are the second we drop in.

>>544776854
if you play enough of one planet you'll notice the map types cycle through a few iterations

>buggods start winning the MO
>instant botroon melty in the thread
like clockwork

>Joel had to rig another bugchaser MO for them to win
>"Again?"
Yes, its a law of nature

>>544776979
is the melty in the room with us now?

>>544775175
I dive
on a random bot planet lmao imagine being a bugdiver

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>>544777212
>you're getting a handout from Joel
>you're actually losing other planets nobody cares about
>MO diving bad actually
Seethe, nigger.

Don't forget how botniggers prolonged the Super Earth battle by abandoning a won MO because Joel dangled the keys to the DSS in front of them and they went to heroically bring in the Uber-Death-Teamkill Diver Eviscerator 9000 into the fight

>>544777441
>implying it the was the botniggers
Got any evidence to back that up, xis?

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>bugfucker having a melty about botchuds not having a melty

>>544775641
It does you fucking retard. It "accelerates" liberation campaigns by lowering the resistance. It went from 5 to 3.5 when it was activated.

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>>544777523
Is this the part where you try to act smug after getting btfo for like the 50th time, Nordnigger?

>>544768416
>mirin' sector

>>544777441
>bugchaser wants to pipe up about super earth
didnt like 30% of bugchasers be completely useless during the super earth event?

>Does thing
Haha we did it!! botdivers strooonk botdivers stronk!!!!
>Thing turns out to be retarded
Proofs we did it??

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>>544777441
the galactic war is a medal boost for noobs anon it's not meant for veteran divers to bother with
/hdg/ dives for the sake of diving, at no point has this thread cared about MO fluff and it never will, no matter how many manchild rants you'll commit

>>544777438
I'm sorry your thread got deleted, but you have to calm down and act like an adult

>>544775175
>there are redditors (see loser incels) who actually do the MO

>>544777697
>He doesnt have proof
Consider: >>544777663
Botgods saved super earth in the end while bugchasers were literally useless

>>544777742
Yummy bug

>>544777663
Okay? They never participate anyway unless Joel drops the MO directly on their favorite planet
Botniggers participate only to do more damage than good whenever there is an opportunity to fuck up

Can narcissistic niggers stop speaking for "the thread" please?

When was the last time we got something else than medals from an MO? Brap mines?

>>544777821
I'm sorry you got clowned for your melty, have fun reading TMs in every OP lmao

Why do squid eaters never have a melty or have meltys about them?

HIVE LORDS ARE BACK ON OSHAUNE

>>544778257
They are too depressed over how underdeveloped their faction is despite 2 major content drops dedicated to them

>>544778018
>m-muh narcissism
weak attempt at deflecting manchild behavior
fuck off already

>>544778257
They actually go play their content instead of sitting around here shitposting about it

>>544778467
I would play any content if someone made lobby doko

>>544777993
>Botniggers participate only to do more damage than good whenever there is an opportunity to fuck up
Bro, part of coping is making sense. Try again

>buggroids acting smug after literally having the difficulty neutered for them
>they do this while actively losing planets
HRT-ravaged grey matter is all that remains of the average bugnigger’s brain

>>544778257
I was shitting on botnigs for wasting their time on Fenmire while we were defending a planet (they lost all progress anyway)
Anyway I don't think there are many pure squidfags, it's a bot/bug autism. People who play squids are variety chads

>joe unironically lowered the difficulty because bugchasers couldnt handle it
kek

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>>544778585
>HRT-ravaged grey matter is all that remains of the average bugnigger’s brain
you retards are trying too hard

Daily reminder: the galactic war doesn't matter

>>544778459
>m-muh manchildrenism
Concession accepted.

>>544778860
The orbital barrage activated on the DSS you esl

544778889
I clearly struck a nerve

I've seen 'botniggers' and 'bugniggers' hate fucking like crazy when they get back to the super destroyer, you can't fool me.

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>>544779030
>He thinks orbital barrage lowers resistance
>Calling others ESL

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>544778889
>I clearly struck a nerve

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>>544778989
No concessions have been made.

You are a manchild. If you weren't, you'd be able to accept that your behavior is being disapproved of.

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>544778889
>I clearly struck a nerve

>>544779127
The powerful diver yaoi turns me on here
Imagine botdiver smelling like ash and hot oil while he pins his bugdiver friend to the wall
And bugdiver smells like piss and stinky cheese
All that musk
While the brownoids on the ship have to watch

Is the thread usually like this with shitposters spamming to start a flamewar between factions?

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Manchild™ even.

>>544779274
>Makes a concession
>"nuh uh real concession has never been tried"
Botoddlers, not even once

>>544779423
when there is content
>no
when there isn't content
>yes

544779207
Yeah, xhe’s fucking buttblasted

>>544779486
>He literally has to budget for a large % of the population being entirely dead weight
Does art mimic life or does life mimic art?

>>544779423
There is one retard who likes to have meltdowns whenever there is a big MO and he does everything he can to convince everyone nothing matters

>>544779423
Around this time? Yes
Americans are at work, Euros are just finishing work, meanwhile, it's 9PM in India.

I leave the math of why the thread sucks right now to you

>>544779369
This but eagle 1 or seaf-chan is pinned between them

havent played since saving super earth. did they buff the one true flag yet

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>>544779423
Only when the manbabies of Da List™ (hilarious in-group meme BTW you wouldn't get it) are around.

>>544779616
it's actually the eurotrannies

>>544779705
What do you think

>>544779738
Well said saar.

It's really funny if you turn on the jackass theme while bug diving
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23aaanf_pn4

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Ghost of Justices past come to haunt Censors of today

>>544779423
Yes, just ignore them. Join a lobby, play the game and talk with in-game chat there for some peace of mind. The threads themselves are a cesspool.

>>544779887
tsar*

>>544779423
no, usually its the nerftroon having a melty and crying how much he hates reddit and /hdg/

>>544779963
discord troons have turned lobbies into cesspools on more than a few occasions

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I dive the MO and I don't have a reddit account.

>>544779702
Yes their big meaty abs squeezing her cheeks between them and she has dizzy spiral eyes with steam emitting from her head

>>544779963
>The threads themselves are a cesspool
should clarify it's like that because of the discord cabal that only comes here to rage bait and derail the thread

>>544780086
I've had them join multiple times just to kill and grief and leave. I know they are mentally ill but still

>>544780105
No! You can't enjoy do the MO! Nothing matters stop diving!

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>>544780086
I'm not in any discord and the only people I play with are the ones who join from thread link. Usually lobbies are peaceful. I had displeasure of once having gucci niggers join me and I kickbanned him on sight.

>>544780223
indeed discord niggers are the one reason why lobbies are going extinct while pretending to be the opposite
honestly fuck the holier than thou UN cancer janny fuck for promising to nuke that discord once 4chan would be back and then not following through with it

I joined a lobby once and a guy was on in-game chat kissing his boyfriend good-bye, talking about how he was a NEET, and bragging about grooming minors in discord.

I knew immediately that he frequented /hdg/

>>544780197
>>544780223
bro how could you slander them like that? they're just a group of chill guys who are also inherently superior to everyone here! they're just trying to get away from the lower class citizens of this general, but also keep coming back for some reason, but it's not to farm (you)s!

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>>544780392
>not in any discord
>mentions his discord voldemort
Whatever you say, loony troony.

I saw a lobby once. It had these big black eyes...like a doll's eyes.

>hive lords show up
>joel raises resistance again by 1%
Oh no no they were winning too fast I need another nail biter MO! Why is he like this?

>>544779764
i think its probably the best item in the game now.

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>>544780685
>lorelet

>>544780685
>nail biter MO
>a quarter of bugdivers aren't even on the planet

>>544780735
Alexus, you're hired

>>544780835
>Helldivers are advised to use 380mm barrages
>on a Hive Lord
are they FurReal Friends™?

>>544780657
I am not, I got the knowledge of that nigger from the threads and I asked few times in my own lobbies who's that. Got enough info from this.

>>544780835
>HE Barrages
Uhhhhh misogynist, much? Where are the SHE Barrages?

>>544780531
Hey man I told you that in confidence

hey fellas I'm gonna go jack off to japanese drawings of anthro women, but I'll be back in 15 minutes or so, please have a lobby open by then ok?

>>544780020
everyone hates reddit
my dad hates reddit and he barely knows what the internet is
clueless

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>>544780685
>Why is he like this
Like THIS???

>>544780835
>380mm Barrage to counter Hive Lords
Jfc

>380 barrage
>on an explosion immune enemy
i almost laughed

>>544780685
Reminder that our liberation rate also goes down as the DSS ends, so we are likely losing this one

>>544781731
Like 80% of damage comes from impact itself and only the inner flesh is resistant, armor still gets damaged by explosions.

>>544782086
unless joel tweaks the resistance again (he will)

>>544780685
>>544780835
oh yea, they definitely want us to fail this MO

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>joel accidentally makes liberation of Oshaune too easy
>has to revert the values to something that will make the operation end closer to the designated time
It's not rigged guys. Clearly the resistance value is just depended on time and not rigged at all!!!

>>544782163
the real problem is that 100% of the damage comes from actually hitting the target

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So what if we fail this MO? Do the bugs just rape the bug front as punishment?

>>544782585
it's only rigged 99.9783% of the time

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>>544782685
Nothing happens. Nothing happened since the fart cloud appeared on the map

>>544783041
AH gets an excuse to keep the hive planet biome on the map

>>544759314
>no jack o lantern helmet
planetside 2 is in the graveyard out back

>>544782585
>rate went down because Hive Lords decided to fuck off and nap
>the orbital barrage woke them up
I mean
it makes sense lore wise

>>544782585
It's because hive lords woke up

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>>544781086
Reminder that your shitcord spent hours going through my socials and the best "own" you could find was "you were in a foxhole clan 3 years ago"
How mad are you that you're still seething about me months later for TKing some of your trooncord friends. Touch some grass, brownoid.

that's cool
lobby doko

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BEHN KAUDE MADARCHOD YOU WILL DO THE MO AND JOEL DRAMA NEEDFUL

>>544782603
He's a big guy.