Why are Toppo players so bloodthirsty? I just had one who kept trying to kill the opponents, seconds after they went back to their tower, in the initial skirmish... Killing players is not that important, specially since this got him killed, me killed, and we still lost the kaioshin. Fucking retard. I really have to start a habit of abandoning those players to their death.

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>>544917682
no

>>544917884
Satanist propaganda...

>utuber shill
Gentlemen...

>>544917827
Bot behavior. They are very agressive, always targetting other players and GoDs, regardless if it makes sense or not. I told a story about it a few days back, but there was a time I got pulled below the ground in the game (bug), and for a while I essentially locked two bot enemies in place since they kept trying to attack me, but these attacks weren't landing.

>>544917314
I AM THE STRONGEST IN THE UNIVERSE!

>>544918981
Arale...

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Monkey...

>>544918394
I'm not sure that was a bot, since I didn't notice other bot behavior (Like pinging a tower). And those were different players, always going full on aggressive...

Gekishin Squadra has grown OLD and BORING

>>544923309
...enough about the Dragon Ball franchise.

>>544923427
..of the opposite world, that is.

What's left for Xenoverse to do besides Daima?

>>544923309
I enjoy playing it but since the only thing to play for are hero memories (which slowly decrease per game) eventually there's little reason to continue playing unless you're one of those people who care about rank.

>>544924170
Moro. Saganbo. Cranberry. Granolah. Gas. Elec. Macki.

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For the new thread, dbg's roster poll

https://forms.gle/i6WGnG7ZvQrkiqo76

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>>544924385
Cranberry's an og

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>>544924170
Timegod frieza was a good start. Whatever the next thing is, I hope it goes ABOVE that and isn't just a random character (probably Omega Shenron but with purple crystals growing out of him.

And I also hope the climax to the plot isn't just a fight with misguided-but-crazy fu who'll return to normal like it all never happened.

I should be able to get all the base game achievements in XV2, but it just sounds so boring having to actually do PvP.

I'm using Cell lately and I can understand why he starts Imperfect
>S1 has a surprisingly short cooldown
>It also is good to prevent opponents from escaping
>And if upgraded enough, you can use it to allow your allies to escape
>Just now I had a Piccolo being chased by Goku, I shot S1, Goku was slowed down, and Piccolo managed to escape, and I was so far away he couldn't chase me
>S2 is good at catching people trying to escape
>With smart vanishes, you can use vanish, get behind someone and use it
>S3 is his weak link, but if you can predict an attack, you can tank it, and get your HP back, plus extra
>Ult is good enough
What are the recommended card setups? Right now I'm going Build Up, Janemba, and Limit Breaking Jump

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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9oR_rEclznSFJ1kkvDafOg
good SSJ Pan mod up

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>>544933662
wrong link, oops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3B7rgmX7tA&pp=0gcJCQMKAYcqIYzv

>>544934278
Nice

>>544940562
Bird Studio continues to miss the boat not capitalising on Pan's large fanbase. the most Panservice we've gotten since GT is Super Hero.

>>544940801
7 morbidly obese bald middle aged men in favellas aren't enough to sustain more, unfortunately

You have weird fetishes

>>544941538
what an oddly specific image

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>>544941823
indeed

>>544928038
You just know they wanted black frieza, but cannot use him yet.

>>544943274
>You just know [lie]
*yawn*

>>544932083
I'm experimenting with Backstab, it's specially good in levels with clouds. You can use S1 when just getting into the opponent's screen, get lowered CD, hide for a bit, use it again, and it'll have lowered CD. It's specially nasty if you're pushing for the last tower.

>>544945868
So my Cell gameplan is:
>Initial confrontation over the kaioshin
>Try to succeed at killing him
>Probably either me or my partner will die
Any ways to try to prevent the last one? The most advanced tech I've seen with Cell is dash towards them to get a back grab but that's not gonna help much in surviving... Can't even blame opponents because if you can kill then you might as well go for it.

Cooler gameplan:
>level destruction beam to level 2 instantly
>rape everything and win

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>>544934278
This is by far the cutest Pan I have ever seen honestly.
Still will not install the mod, but cute nonetheless. GT was absolute shit for not doing this.

>>544917314
JP Paragus memes are so funny

>>544933662
>>544934278
Pretty nice

>>544953667
theres a youtube channel thats just Japanese gmod dbz memes and I love them

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Kai of Clocks or something

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>>544954357
Thinking of it, Future Saga chapter 3 had the perfect chance to introduce a Time Unleashed Chronoa (Since she helps fight Freeza). Too bad they didn't...

>>544954357
Cute

>>544954831
as much as I hate to admit it, I think they're going to slowly retire anything heroes specific. God I hope i'm wrong and doomposting I love a lot of the stuff from there

>>544954946
Chronoa isn't even Heroes specific, she's from DBO

>>544955195
Her time powered unleashed form is, no? The base chronoa design first showed up in xenoverses too, I think. Though you're right that as a character she was talked about in dbo

>>544955289
It's like Fu where he didn't actually show up but he was created for it, just as a baby.

>>544954946
>I think they're going to slowly retire anything heroes specific.
I mean it's not like Heroes specific stuff ever showed up outside of Heroes, besides Dokkan. The chances of a Time Unleashed Chronoa were always minimum.

>>544955195
>Chronoa isn't even Heroes specific, she's from DBO
Kinda. The idea of Chronoa is from DBO, but in there she was a Kaio of time, not Kaioshin. I'm not sure she was even refereed to as a female there too. While her role of protecting time and enslaving Trunks are from DBO, everything about her design and personality is from Xenoverse.

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I gotta stop stalling.

After it was mentioned here a month ago, I have finally finished reading the 15+ years old ongoing fanfiction "Turles Triumph".
Very meh honestly. It has a lot of good elements in it, but it feels like the writer was way too interested in Turles' "lore" and constantly writing about the greater worldbuilding up DB, and the amateur writing really shows in a lot of scenes.
Like, Gohan becomes the first Super Saiyan and that barely even registers. Same with Turles' unborn child dying (it's not tasteless, don't worry), and while it goes slow for a majority of the story, sometimes it goes ridiculously fast, like they find another half-Saiyan that's Gohan's age, an interesting relationship starts, and then two chapters later it goes into this whole arc about traitors hiding among them and weird sexual tension between Bulma and Daiz (all while constantly cutting to Yamcha on Kaio's planet seething about it, I am not making that part up).

Made me want to read more fanfiction I guess. And made me play some DB games with Turles in them. People talk about making Cooler or... mostly just Cooler canon, but I think Turles' crew is a really cool inversion of the main cast and could work in a feature length movie or as an arc in the anime.

>>544960736
Finding good dragonball fanfiction has always felt like an uphill battle. I'm aware that most fanfiction of most fanbases are bad, but it feels like we don't even have a retuine of classics to point to for people, you know? At best i've seen people talk positively about tuffle quest but even that has its issues.

>>544960983
I've read some good ones, like Brought to the Future is really fun (even if it leans way too hard into the "adult Gohan is fucking LAME" idea), and The Orange Star Massacre is a /dbs/ classic for a reason.
I've been interested in writing my own fanfiction about Future Gohan being sent back in time after he dies and continually fucking up by changing things too much (and thus, getting sent back again and again), but it takes a while for me to write and I want to wait until I have one "arc" done.

>TP medal costs for everything
No regrets buying a save editor, though that's probably why they have those star medals. Basically a cold war between greedy executives, and players with no BS tolerance.

>>544960736
>After it was mentioned here a month ago, I have finally finished reading the 15+ years old ongoing fanfiction "Turles Triumph".
I didn't even know that was a thing

>>544961301
>No regrets buying a save editor
There's a ton of free ones for XV2.
>>544961254
>I want to wait until I have one "arc" done.
Bad idea, it's better to release chapter by chapter when it comes to fanfics.

>>544960736
>but I think Turles' crew is a really cool inversion of the main cast and could work in a feature length movie or as an arc in the anime.
I guess Turles would be an easy 'U6 Goku', like how Cabba is U6 Tarble and the king is seemingly U6 Vegeta (I don't mean that literally of course, they are separate characters, not multiverse alts).
People say Caulifla is U6 Goku but I don't see it, Goku isn't the kind to formally lead something, let alone an actual gang and he doesn't have an active sidekick under his wing like Kale (Closest was Gohan I guess with the rage boost but Gohan was never out of control like Kale).

>>544961798
I guess if you squint caulifla is kind of a fucked up u6 vegeta, but if he led a gang instead of being a prince

>>544961254
>The Orange Star Massacre is a /dbs/ classic for a reason.
I was expecting some modern /dbs/ stuff, but the fact that it's from 2017 really saves it.

>"Damn, mom. Who needs a wife when I got you!" He chuckles, and gives his mom a gentle hug.
>"...what?" Chi-chi says with a creeped out expression on her face. "My god, this kid needs friends," she thinks to herself.

>"Ah, yes, Gohan! You're the foreigner kid, that's right. Where do you come from, Gohan?" Mr. Punani asks with a warm smile.
>"Foreign kid? What are they talking about?" Gohan looked around the room awkwardly, not sure what to say. "Uh... um... I'm from... uh," he looks around the room frantically, his heart racing. "Iraq?" He blurts out. "Wait what the fuck? Why did I say Iraq!?" Gohan panicked internally as the class and Mr. Punani look at him with confusion.
>"Iraq, huh?" Mr. Punani scratches his head, examining Gohan a little more closely. "You certainly don't look like a sand person. But if that's where you say you're from, I'll have to take your word for it!"
>"Um, Mr. Punani?" One of the girls in the midrow raises her hand, staring at Gohan a little fearfully. "Are you sure he's not, like, an ISIS member or something? I'm all for multiculturalism, but I really don't want to be one of those people who ends up dead from a random terrorist attack."

>>544961961
Maybe? But Cabba already compared Vegeta to the U6 king so I'm taking him at his word.
Would be a funny twist if the U6 King is a blatant Goku expy and literally only Cabba can't see it.

>>544962097
>>"...what?" Chi-chi says with a creeped out expression on her face.
Come on, who the fuck get creeped out by a kid trying to be sweet?

>>544961798
>Tullece & Crew are just literal U6 equivalents to Goku and the Dragon Team
>the war that wiped out U6 Earth was caused by that alternate Goku, seeking out stronger worlds to challenge him (or just straight up the Tree of Might)
Has some potential. Can even work in some Goku ideas there- like, the reason Tullece didn't take over Sadala is because he has no interest in anything that isn't combat/strength related, a twist on how Goku rejected becoming Kami.

>>544961798
The main reason people say Caulifla is u6 goku is due to them both being pretty rough around the edges compared to the rest of their gang, as well as being fight autists in a way more intense than even other saiyans

>>544961798
Caulifla is U6 Goku because they both evolve very quickly.

>>544962921
Is goku a starter Pokemon?

>>544962540
>The reason current U6 saiyans are basically space UN instead of minding their own business is because the King wants to weaponize the entire race against U6 Goku
>He's doing that because U6 Goku managed to defeat him by the skin of his teeth when he stumbled on U6's Earth and tried play peacekeeper
>U6 Goku spared the King with a 'go and get stronger so I can beat your ass more properly next time' like our Goku did with our Vegeta but with a more sinister twist
>Every time the King thought he and his planet had gotten strong enough to beat U6 Goku, he just discovered U6 Goku had grown exponentially so he's constantly desperately trying to play catch up
>U6 Goku has a mentality of 'If I stomp on your face enough, you're either gonna die and be replaced by someone better OR actually give me a real fight' unlike our Goku's more nurturing take on cultivating rivals
>His power only recently power-spiked past Hit's after he found the tree of might and was convinced by his Krillin equivalent to give it a shot after seeing the TOP and how behind they were some of the guys the King could send after them
>U6 Goku isn't happy about it but takes, kinda as his God Ritual equivalent.
>His entire team is made up of human and a few outcast aliens like Goku's crew, they're all happily gorged on Might Fruits with only U6 Goku not really liking it, maybe throw in a few shades of the underlings seeing as a way to finally catch up to their boss after they got left behind as rivals
>Maybe the arc start with a wounded Hit coming back from a failed assassination attempt (The King only hired Hit after seeing the TOP probably) on U6 Goku to tell the King and Goku and co happen to be there
I could see it.

>>544963397
my only issue is that I cant think of writers going for an "evil goku" angle after already doing Goku black. While this more closely follows the idea of specifically parodying Goku and the dragon team, I can still see writers being iffy about it. Also how would you fit the u6 gang into this dynamic? As it would feel odd to set this whole thing in u6 without doing anything with them, but this premise seems to focus on dragon team v alternate dragon team specifically

>>544962540
>>544963397
Another take for Turles as a U6 Goku would be a low class saiyan who's growth and potential was ironically stunted by how peaceful and well organized U6 saiyans are and who grew resentful and disdainful of it until he found the tree of might and went from a normal saiyan to a power-monster who sees using the tree to steal power from planets as his right to make up for all the growth he blame Sadala for missing.

>>544941538
Fucking kek

>>544963807
>Also how would you fit the u6 gang into this dynamic?
I mean, it's a movie, you gotta limit the number of active characters.
Even if you make it an arc, it'd be really bloated if you include everyone.
I think at least Kale and Caulifla can sit this one out.

>>544964040
I think it wouldn't be too bad if you just had goku and vegeta visiting sadala alone without the rest of the rest of the gang. Goku + Geets and the three u6 people is around the size of the main cast in later movies. But even then I really cant see cabba not being relavent, he's too closely tied to vegeta not to be

>>544964268
Yeah, Cabba and the King are mandatory. Still we need SOME dragon team members around to go 'See? You lost because you reduced your rivals to underlings while Goku still respects his and made them his friends'.

>>544960983
>At best i've seen people talk positively about tuffle quest but even that has its issues.
Yeah. Kato is at her best when snowballing changes, and making connections to unrelated things, and pretty mediocre at, everything else. She does the usual "Make the entire cast relevant", avoids the trap of making them slow down the plot by making only a few at a time get involved, but I still couldn't care about any of them because they have similar personalities, too many shared techniques, and they hardly talk among each other, only talk with Maple.

>>544964568
Kind of awkward given that they weren't really friends until super, just kind of acquaintances that would get together when earth was blowing up. It's a retcon I don't really mind, though. It's fun to see them all hang out.

>>544964696
The thing I remember most about Tuffle quest is the very start where Kato uses the Path to Power version of events. It was just kind of a weird thing to do and i've never seen any fanfic do it other than that.

>>544964809
>Kind of awkward given that they weren't really friends until super
Krillin and Bulma at least were basically family to Goku, let's be honest there, regardless of not seeing each others for years.
Yamcha was basically the kinda loser dude who dated your older sister but then they broke and yet he still hang around because you're chill with him to Goku.
Tenshinhan, Oolong and Yajirobe are really the one you'd be hard pressed to call friends IMO.

>>544965135
vegeta and especially piccolo are basically family at this point too. Piccolo is straight up pan's godfather/ cool uncle and vegeta's family is so close to goku's that I straight up forget that goten and trunks aren't actually related sometimes

>>544965281
though, before super piccolo and vegeta were absolutely part of the tien group who would never interact with the rest of the gang unless stuff was going down. Gohan would go visit piccolo sometimes in movies, I guess

>>544965281
True, Piccolo is basically Goku's oldest son at this point. You can tell because he's the one who always gotta do the younger one's chores.
Vegeta probably think about Goku more than about his kids AND wife combined.
Goten and Trunks are basically the same person at this point. Goten literally shares Trunks's private tutoring somehow, that's some next level 'Don't you have a home?' bummery.

>>544965454
>vegeta
Vegeta was basically a neet living in the Capsule Corp gravity chamber technically. It's different from Piccolo and Tenshinhan being god knows where for like a decade at a time.

>>544965663
>NEET
being the hunk trophy husband you can show off to all your friends is a very important job i'll have you know

>>544965727
She literally saw him like once every 2 months when he'd be like 'MOM, THE WIFI IS DOWN, WHERE ARE MY TENDIES?!' before going back to his gravity chamber after Bulma repaired it.

>>544965521
>that's some next level 'Don't you have a home?' bummery
I dunno man, if I was Goten i'd want to hang out at trunks' house as much as possible, he's the rich kid and has whatever he wants compared to Goten, who i'm not even sure even has electricity, much less hot water.

>>544965945
Sure but dude even share his private education, that's some pretty crazy stuff.
Gohan's school life would have been pretty different if Bulma had a kid Gohan's age.

It helps that Goku is a pretty simple guy and it doesn't take much to endear yourself to him, but it is funny how Goku is Krillin's best friend despite them essentially only ever meaningfully interacting during Roshi's training. They shared a bit of quips during the 21st, had their fight in the 22nd and that's basically the extent of their entire relationship

>>544966109
Is it that weird? ChiChi and Bulma seem pretty close and it wouldn't be that much of a hassle to just have bulma pay for another student. Goten and Trunks were pretty much attached at the hip anyways and keeping them together through their schooling seems like the reasonable choice socially

>>544966316
To be fair, we basically just see a montage, they trained together for months or like a year, going through a lot of shit together and then Goku basically became Krillin's personal hero many times after that, avenging his death, fighting by his side, shattering all expectation and limits Krillin thought existed etc.
And quality matters more than quantity.

>>544966583
>Is it that weird?
I just never saw a situation like where someone has private at-home education and you just have their best friend there too.

>>544966585
It was about 8 months until the 21st BT, iirc. But i'm more talking about how Goku can just go years upon years without ever seeing this guy and his friendship hasn't decayed a single inch. What's funny about the dynamic to me is that Goku instantly loses his shit completely when Krillin is dead but Krillin treats it a bit more lightly comparatively, given Krillin is a comparatively more normal person and while he likes Goku he's not as close to him as Goku is to Krillin, I feel. Especially nowadays with super where Piccolo and Vegeta are far closer to goku than Krillin

>>544967030
>is that Goku instantly loses his shit completely when Krillin is dead but Krillin treats it a bit more lightly comparatively, given Krillin is a comparatively more normal person and while he likes Goku he's not as close to him as Goku is to Krillin,
I don't really agree with that, Krillin is basically right behind Goku in term of kindness (That's even what got him 18 in the end), it's more that when Krillin died, it was a final death, meanwhile Krillin knows Goku always pull through, it's hard to understate how much Krillin look up to Goku, it's not for nothing that Krillin's first reflex as he was literally blown up from the inside out was to scream for Goku.
Goku react with uncontrollable rage while Krillin react more with sadness and thinking Goku will find a way to fix it but I don't think that means Krillin cares less.
>Especially nowadays with super where Piccolo and Vegeta are far closer to goku than Krillin
In Super Goku re-affirm Krillin is his best friend directly multiple time and treat him like a brother, with Chichi and 18 even casually hanging out separately from their husbands and Marron basically being the third member of Goten and Trunks's group.
It's only in the Super Manga that Krillin get treated like trash.

>>544967473
No I absolutely believe that Goku genuinely believes that he's his best friend, i'm not contesting that. I'm just talking about how it feels kind of odd from a perspective of I expect more normal character dynamics to work. When you think of the best friend character you think of someone that's always by the side of the main character, but really Krillin and Goku are pretty much seperate for the vast majority of their screen time. It works in dragonball because Goku is Goku and he's not a normal person, really no one in this group is, but stepping back a bit it's kinda weird.

>>544964696
I will say again that the Kai (Buu through Daima but including GT and some original material) portion of Tuffle Quest having three QMCs instead of just the one helped it. The Black Star Dragon Ball and Machine Mutant/Baby arc of it made a lot of use of the more varied casts and newer friend group dynamics and many of the changes that snowball from earlier moments, while still giving a steady build-up to the kind of threat the Machine Mutants possess. It also just has a lot of fun and creative fights, like making the most out of Rildo's ability to manipulate M2, or showing Baby learning from mistakes and doubling down on schemes to try to keep the heroes at bay and keep himself as protected as possible.

Then again perhaps there's some bias here seeing it a bit more rose-tinted, because I remember many of the other Dragon Ball Quests that were around on /tg/ and later /qst/ that either petered out quickly or had some substantially bigger problems in pacing, character writing, and powerup bullshit. Like Superhuman Quest and the horseshit Som pulled with it (especially all the nonsense with Cell), or Saiyan Conqueror Quest bending over backwards to frame the Time Patrol and Chronoa especially as pants on head retarded or more villainous than fucking Frieza's empire and the Mechikabura, or Space Monkey Quest unironically using DBZA as its basis for its Earth cast while also being about a third lesbian monkey smut by volume.

>>544967920
Saiyan conquerer quest is so fucking stupid that I think it gives multiverse a run for its money. Honestly I think Saiyan Conquerer is worse because at least Multiverse is mostly dragonball, SC is just a clusterfuck

>>544967751
It's basically Wuxia logic where a lot of the casts are essentially immortals and training take years of sitting alone in a cave, it's a very different perspective from 'normal' people who live in actual society, which is why only Bulma complains, she's the only one completely detached from the martial world.

>>544967920
>Space Monkey Quest unironically using DBZA as its basis for its Earth cast while also being about a third lesbian monkey smut by volume.
Oh dear how dreadful, please tell me a place where this is located so I know to never go check any of it out.

>>544968052
I can see it being worst but does it insult and disrespect Goku as consistently as DBM?

>>544967920
>Superhuman Quest and the horseshit Som pulled with it (especially all the nonsense with Cell)
Elaborate.

>>544968365
Goku is just entirely nonexistant in that quest. Like, he exists in the literal sense but he doesn't do anything. You can argue it disrespects Goku by proxy by implying that his compassionate stance being the key to his power was actually gay and badwrong, being a genocidal conquerer is actually based
>>544968486
NTA but if I remember perfect Cell existing was treated as a failstate and was entirely unkillable but the QM still wrote out the fight

>>544964941
I find that to be a cool place to start an adventure that snowballs changes. A stronger Goku who didn't meet Chichi.

>>544967030
>What's funny about the dynamic to me is that Goku instantly loses his shit completely when Krillin is dead but Krillin treats it a bit more lightly comparatively, given Krillin is a comparatively more normal person and while he likes Goku he's not as close to him as Goku is to Krillin, I feel
The only time Krillin saw Goku dying was after Raditz, and he was reassuring Goku they'd bring him back with the dragon balls at least. Still I don't agree with Krillin not being that close with Goku, since Krillin has the most unwavering faith in Goku than anyone else, aside from maybe Gohan. Krillin in Androids saga said things would be different if Goku was there to fight 17 and 18, but the others remind him that Vegeta and Trunks are about as strong as Goku and they still lost. In Buu saga he also thought that Goku could handle Buu, but Goku says he couldn't because he's as strong as Vegeta (And then SS3 is asspulled)...

>>544967473
>it's more that when Krillin died, it was a final death
Goku was also trigger pissed when Krillin got killed for the first time, to the point he ignored everyone else and immediately went after the killer, and that death could be undone with the dragon balls. DB characters don't really care if it's the first or last death, they get pissed someone was killed at all. With good reason, after all, even if death can be undone, it's still fucked up for someone to die.

>>544968603
>if I remember perfect Cell existing was treated as a failstate and was entirely unkillable but the QM still wrote out the fight
That's just stupid? What's the point of doing that?
>You can argue it disrespects Goku by proxy by implying that his compassionate stance being the key to his power was actually gay and badwrong, being a genocidal conquerer is actually based
Fair but still feel less disrespectful than DBM.

>>544968792
Yeah but Goku was EXTRA pissed because Krillin couldn't be brought back on Namek, he says as much directly.

>>544968872
I think the reason Saiyan Conquerer quest offends me more than Multiverse is because while Multiverse is bad dragonball fanfiction, SCQ is just not dragonball, it's a skinwalker. It has dragonball elements and characters in it, but it just isn't dragonball, it activates my uncanny valley to read canon characters in it and they're just not right

>>544969191
Oh no, from what I heard I totally agree it's objectively worse, I was just wondering about specifically the Goku disrespect because it's a big aspect of what pisses me off about DBM.

>>544836141
Frieza is a nigger and continues to get undeserved power ups because of low quality fan service.
Cell is a fucking unit and is in it for the love of the game until he starts jobbing hard by the end. Then gets a second coming by being a mindless retard thrall for literal who's.

>>544968287
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?searchall=space+monkey
I don't actually remember anything about this quest honestly, but tell me what you think, it's fun to see people's thoughts about old fics.

>>544967920
Yeah I can see the improvements over time. I was still surprised how quickly she dropped most of the TFS garbage, but at times it's rather rough. I stopped after Maple's adventures with Ginyu Force in that planet, and Hassan somehow is a galactic seller now.

>Then again perhaps there's some bias here seeing it a bit more rose-tinted, because I remember many of the other Dragon Ball Quests that were around on /tg/ and later /qst/ that either petered out quickly or had some substantially bigger problems in pacing, character writing, and powerup bullshit.
Even compared to the random fanfics I've read, including a bunch of doujins, Tuffle Quest is certainly more, creative, in what it's doing, but it's basically only for DB fans. What I mean by that is, you'll only appreciate it if you know DB to enough to understand how significant the changes are, and the interesting uses of things that exist in DB's world (Such as that Sacred Crown to dodge lightning), otherwise the writing is so far rather hollow. If someone read this quest, I very much doubt they would become a Krillin or Bulma fan since they're nothing characters, barely around, with barely defined personalities, which really contrasts how they actually are as characters, specially Bulma. Maybe it gets better, but it's been about 80 chapters for me... It's fun enough but the issues are significant enough where I only really go back to it once every few months...

>>544969425
Tuffle quest has a lot of issues but it's still the only piece of serious long running fanfiction that i've seen people praise, I really want to give Paradise Lost another chance but the main character keeps losing me

>>544968052
I understand the appeal in treating a setting like a kid smashing toys together, but I feel like there needs to be SOME kind of grounding element to it or else it's going to end up like narrative static noise.

>>544968287
Same /tg/ archive all the other Quests are located.

>>544968486
Superhuman Quest was about a boy named Kaguya that had the "keeps growing stronger as he fights strong opponents" gimmick (with it being proposed in the Quest that Olibu had the same power), it started in Z and had him as the same age as Gohan, though he never actually acted like nor was really played like a child. It had many attempts from players to force powerlevel fuckery that'd keep him constantly growing stronger that kept being shut down or diminished by the QM, Som, leading to some mild animosity between them. The Cell arc had a Cell with the overpowered ability Kaguya (and later like five other human OCs) had and plenty of chance to abuse it, and even got to absorb Super Vegeta as Imperfect Cell, so by the time he became Perfect he was on the level of Super Buu if not noticeably stronger, and could still pull the same bullshit Kaguya could but also with Multiform so no one could hope to really match up to him. Basically he could hard counter everything and no one had any hope of matching him and only through some extra horseshit could he be beaten.
This somehow is not the only time Som will pull Cell Horseshit with his Quests, because he didn't stop with just the one.

>>544969365
>>544969779
Thank you then

These threads are at their best when discussing or writing fanfics

>>544969779
>Kaguya
That's already a bad start since that's a woman's name.
>This somehow is not the only time Som will pull Cell Horseshit with his Quests, because he didn't stop with just the one.
So not only he had an awful idea with an OP premise, he also extended that idea to Cell and then did it AGAIN? My god.

>>544969779
Cell is a very weird arc to deal with in fanfiction. It's a situation setup in such a way that if perfect cell happens, you're essentially pidgeonholed into relying on Gohan. But if the fanfiction doesn't have Gohan as a main character it creates this weird dillema where you're trying to figure out both how perfect cell can even happen in the first place and how you're going to let your non gohan main character be relavent. Buu has all of these problems on steroids to the point where most fanfics don't do buu arc at all, if they even get to it

>>544969580
>I really want to give Paradise Lost another chance but the main character keeps losing me
What's that one about?

>>544969425
I mean at the heart of it, it's an autistic lesbian writing a bunch of things she thinks are cool about Dragon Ball and delving deep into its lore and anything vaguely connected to it, while running it like a tabletop RPG. Like if Ooishi turned Dragon Ball SD into a pen and paper game. Actually honestly that's a pretty good comparison, there's a level of familiarity and very specific jokes that only work for Dragon Ball fans while condensing and expanding different plot points from the series, which sometimes vastly underbakes certain characters compared to their canon counterparts.

Seems like not a lot of quests have Goku as the MC

>>544970378
Paradise lost is a weird one but i'll try my best to explain it based on my memories. Main conciet is that planet vegeta never blew up and the main character is this girl who gets her head blown off by frieza for having the audacity to job to a saibaman in front of him. She gets isekai'd to earth by beerus because she has lssj powers and he wants to keep the mortal level up *though these dont really come up in the parts I read through* and for mortal level reasons is revived by enma and sent to earth, though she conveniently forgets frieza blew her head off. Goku is still there because he was a 2pl shitter and OGDB largely happens how you would expect with random strong saiyan girl around, with alterations. My main problem with the main character is she wont shut the fuck up about wanting to go back to planet vegeta and rejoin the frieza force. After she's been on earth for like a decade and has had a lot of fun and she loves it she's still homesick about the frieza force for some reason and we're given no reason as to why she cares about it for so much. I dropped it around the alternate saiyan saga where it's bardock and his crew come to get goku to help rally resistance against frieza, last I remember goku got fucking goomba stomped by one of the oozaru and is hanging out with king kai

>>544970949
Sounds dumb, in canon literally nobody wants to go back to Freeza's forces the second they have an alternative that isn't death.

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Nappa died at the beginning of DBZ because he wanted to be the Great Filter that halted countless "how far could X character get in DBZ" conversations. pay your respects to big man.

>>544971286
Obviously the dynamic is supposed to be that "oh when namek saga finally happens she'll realize that frieza is actually a cunt and it'll be this big character moment" but it just makes her kind of annoying consistently bringing up the frieza force throughout the narrative. Main character aside it's honestly an extremely competently written fanfic from what i read and I do recommend people check it out just to see if it bothers them less.

>>544971358
>because he wanted to be the Great Filter
What do you mean?

>>544970896
There's just no reason to. Unlike most shounen settings where you wanna be the main character like naruto because of the tailed beast, ichigo becasue of eugenics, luffy because god fruit. There's zero real reason to be Goku specifically, you might as well just make an OC

>>544971507
Sure, that's obviously what it's going for but like literally nobody in canon ever needed that realization, even actively evil assholes just fucked off from Freeza the second they could.
Except Ginyu. Ginyu was legitimately stupidly loyal.
>>544971654
I'd like to be Goku, everyone loves Goku.

Cabba = Tarble
Caulifla = Turles
Kale = Z Broly

You're welcome

>>544971550
the joke is esentially that Nappa filters a lot of settings' strongest characters because he's the first character with really ridiculous feats. the strongest character from a lot of shows can't get further than Nappa into DBZ because they're not strong enough to defeat him or durable enough to endure his strongest attacks.

>>544971724
yeah I don't know what the author was doing with the frieza force stuff. There is this part of the fic I really like in the gap between ogdb and Z where the main character is fucking around in space trying to do something I don't remember, but she gets captured by lord slug and has to escape, fun sequence. Aside from the main character I disliked what was going on with Goku. He's not OOC or anything but it's one of those fanfiction where a Saiyan OC is there so Goku isn't really doing anything and the author clearly cares more about giving the human cast justice

Frost = Cooler
Hit = Pikkon

U6 is the Movieverse

>>544970257
It was intended as a joke, but also Som's first Quest had a Saiyan he let get named "Frank."
I think his third or fourth one at least gave the QMC a food pun name.

>>544970273
I mean, fair, but Superhuman Quest very much still had Gohan around, and as Kaguya's best friend. It just got railroaded pretty hard, so hard players were ready to just blow up the planet out of spite. The Buu stuff was also really dumb I guess because everyone was ALREADY around if not above Super Buu level at max power. Somehow though he snuck in a revived King Piccolo that got both immortal and also the same gimmick power that just felt like it was repeating the Cell shit again.

In contrast, Tuffle Quest didn't have a proper Cell arc, because Lapis and Lazuli were never turned into 17 and 18, and while Cell showed up and even got a fight with Goku in, he ended up dealt with by the Time Patrol. What it had instead was an Ozotto arc that took elements of the Bio Broly movie of all things. However the Quest's Gero ended up making a "Cell Sentai" with Towa's help, a bunch of different versions of Cell that had specializations and worked as a team, each even having different personalities. I recall their leader even having a respectful rivalry with Goku, seeing Goku as the best overall fighter and the best one to have a good match against.

>>544972071
>putting Majin ozotto in a fanfic.
Out of all dragonball glupp shittos to put in a fanfic why him? He sucks

>>544971982
>the joke is esentially that Nappa filters a lot of settings' strongest characters because he's the first character with really ridiculous feats
Eh, that'd be Roshi destroying the moon IMO. Nappa's main 'feat' is stonewalling the entire Z team and that's only impressive with context.

>>544972071
>because Lapis and Lazuli were never turned into 17 and 18
I've never been a fan of fanfics that do this, that being saving characters from a bad fate when them being actually interesting relies on them going through bad shit and they just end up being infinitely less interesting

>>544972015
>the author clearly cares more about giving the human cast justice
The idea of 'giving the humans ''''justice'''''' had done irreparable damage to the DB fandom.

>>544961798
>>544962579
>>544962921
she's more a hypothetical Goku daughter.

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Is there any bit from Abridged that you wouldn't mind having been canon? I've personally always had a soft spot for the "Kami and Nail in Piccolo's head" bit. It's nice hearing Kami sound relaxed because the responsibilities of being Guardian of Earth aren't weighing on him all the time.

>>544972545
Good point, actually.
>>544972559
Freeza having gone through countless wannabe heroes who have no idea how outmatched they are is a pretty fun idea to me.

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>>544972545
Isn't that just Pan? She may as well be goku's daughter in GT

>>544972531
for me it's people attempting to try and force yamcha into relevancy because wolf fang fist sounds cool. It's not even a technically impressive or versatile technique, I'm pretty sure people just want him around solely because that attack name sounds cool

>>544972979
I think it's smarter to pass on the techniques to someone else. Goten looks like Yamcha so he should rep it.

>>544972559
>"And make sure to check the news."
>"...What channel?"

>>544972274
Back when it came up, it was before even Heroes really used him, and his copycat skill was fairly unique. He also was much more a schemer with his own agendas. Kato even used his powered up form before Heroes made use of it.

>>544972503
That was something that happened way back in the OG Dragon Ball stuff. There still were a 17, 18, and 19 in the Quest, but they were very different characters. The Quest's 19 specifically was based on Nico from Heroes for example, and ended up surviving the Android/Ozotto arc stuff, and getting some actual character development.

>>544972374
i don't know. scaling original DB is a little... strange. some of the feats in DB are like, gag manga feats. doesn't Goku also punch through the 4th wall on a page of original Dragon Ball?

>>544972979
It barely even LOOKS cool and Yamcha spams it way too much in OG DB, it's basically his ONE MOVE.

>>544973202
I can accept that change because Nico a cute.

>>544973320
I mean, Piccolo blows up the moon too before Nappa shows up

Something that I always thought was a missed opportunity for cell is that despite knowing all of the techniques and fighting styles of the Z fighters, you would assume that he would be able to perfectly counter them, but at best he's just like "wooo I know how to use the kamehameha isn't that wacky and suprising" him knowing the techniques of all the z fighters is honestly not relavent at all until he has to copy IT at the very end

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>>544972559
I could accept that in a less comedic way, that they're still lingering and still able to give Piccolo some pieces of advice or encouragement or opinions on a specific situation. Didn't Super sorta hint at that anyway?

>>544973370
Correct opinion. Nico bestgirl.

>>544973326
to be fair, Tien is basically the same thing. Unlike yamcha he has a huge ass arsenal of moves but he's still ultimately "the kikoho" guy and that's why he gets to stick around

There's nothing wrong with letting your OCs sit out for an arc. They don't have to interfere with stuff that doesn't concern them

>>544973519
I always found weird he specifically says he knows spirit bomb, which means he probably should also know Kaioken, yet, he never uses it...

>>544973717
>Didn't Super sorta hint at that anyway?
Yeah, they give him back up against the U6 Namekians.

>>544973863
the only explination i've seen is that since cell is probably using super saiyan given the golden aura, if he tried to use kaioken the strain would absolutely rape him

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>>544973863
Cell is a Super Saiyan so stacking that with kaioken is hard

Speaking of kaioken, I feel like games make writers think kaioken is something that constantly drains you or hurts you to use because that's how it works in videogames, but in the actual manga it's essentially a free powerup and only hurts you if you go beyond what you can handle

>>544973443
right but i feel like that made more sense than when Roshi did it because the series had been going on for longer, characters were older, Piccolo was a Top 3 character in the verse continuing to grow stronger, and we were about to see the Saiyans blow up an entire planet. Roshi being able to blow up the moon was cool and it was definitely a moment but trying to contextualize it with everything that came after is a little fucky wucky. cause wouldn't that imply Roshi's power level at the time was comparable to Piccolo's at the beginning of Z? and if so, why didn't Roshi help Goku and Piccolo fight Raditz? i don't wanna overthink it and start a senseless debate, i'm just unpacking a bit of why i struggle with the OG DB moon feat. lol

>>544974319
Roshi has to put damn near everything he has into blowing up the moon and is immediately almost completely gassed out, whereas piccolo just gives it a casual blast and it's vaporized, so it's not really a power level incongruity

I don't like how restrained Kale mogs my max weight and height female Saiyan, even if she is a femBroly. That's how all female Saiyans should look like.

>>544974442
When did you transition?

>>544974149
I keep forgetting how stupid this page is, this reads like a forced bad timeline in multiverse not an actual part of actual dragonball

>>544972838
their relationship might be fathet-daughter but her attitude and personality and appearance aee nothing like him. Pan is basically mini-Videl with elements of Chichi, she doesn't have much of any 'saiyan' in her at all.

>>544974302
in the show kaioken requires constant full concentration to keep it from ripping you to shreds. it's like those "using 100% of your muscles" things. There's no way to implement that into fightan gameplay so they just have it be a temporary transformation.

>>544974620
WDYM it's hyper kino don't you love Goku dying for nothing with a huge contrivance regarding Cell surviving?

>>544974302
Kaioken actively tired out from using Kaioken x2 during the Saiyan arc I think

>>544974736
Gohan when he's not mad and Goten aren't super saiyan like either, they're pretty much just normal dudes. A hypothetical goku daughter being raised in the same household that gohan and goten and turning out like a delinquent like Caulifla seems odd
>>544974960
I don't remember that happening, he absolutely started getting tired when he was using x3 but that was explicitly beyond his limits.

>>544974892
it's not even just that, it's him listing off all of the new powerups he's gotten at the drop of the hat. It's so absurdly dumb and contrived that the series would never live it down if it happened today. That's the kind of shit that would make sukuna offscreening Gojo look like a joke

>>544975052
Goten actively seeks out fights as a kid and teen

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>>544974149
>Cell is a Super Saiyan so stacking that with kaioken is hard
Even so, it's weird he didn't try, and by the time he was desperate and made a dumb mistake of using a powered up form that increases strength at the loss of speed, trying Kaioken would make sense. Though thematically it makes the most sense for him to have got for that form, to show how desperate he became that he made the same mistake Trunks did... Also it's more believable for him to throw up 18 when he's that big.

>"I'm almost as strong as Gohan!"
Gohanfag hands wrote this dialogue.

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>>544975574
>Super Perfect Cell uses Kaioken x10 or something during the father son kamehameha
>Gohan STILL has enough latent power even with his broken arm to overpower him
It's just Gohan potential wank atp

Honestly rereading that part of cell saga it feels odd that this of all things was supposed to tell us that "yep, Gohan is totally ready to handle things on his own" he has to be bailed out by Goku THREE time in a row! First instant transmissioning cell away when he's exploding, second to get gohan to even bother to contest Cell's kamehameha, and third was literally handholding him to get him to win

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>>544975352
until CHI-CHI gets in his FUCKING HEAD just like she did to GOHAN. literally the biggest villain in the series, constantly convincing her incredibly gifted half-alien warrior race kids to become pussy-whipped weaklings. thank God my FUARKING HERO killed her.

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>>544974620
>this reads like a forced bad timeline in multiverse not an actual part of actual dragonball
The setup is certainly DBM-like
>Goku sacrifices himself to stop Cell
>It fails
>Gohan has to pick up the slack
Difference is in the execution. Salagir would have Cell return as a "however" moment, and Gohan would win by becoming ruthless and ripping Cell apart, with Goku not playing any further role after dying.

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>>544975807
Now that the dust has settled I'm ready to admit that Super Hero retroactively lessened my enjoyment of this arc and Gohan as a character. For a long time I had a wall up in my head between Teen and Adult Gohan but Super Hero knocked it down.

>>544976024
Goten has the important job of reviving the Saiyan race like Genghis Khan so he's excused. Gohan writes books or something
>>544976250
I can't believe it wasn't a spic who drew this. This attention to brutality is up that alley.
I still have to read multiverse. I keep putting it off. I started reading another non DB manga because procrastination.

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>>544976716
Nono this is great bro. Gohan is just an adult who peaked as a 10 year old

>>544975052
they at least look a LOT like Goku. and they both have Goku's amicability and good nature. Pan's just a brat. kid Goten especially is really similar to Goku in attitude, just not quite as feral.

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Oh yeah for the "Pan doesn't feel like a Saiyan" argument I forgot to mention something. She doesn't LOOK the part. Spiked hair is a defining feature of the race. Yamcha looks more Saiyan than (GT and DBSSH) Pan

>>544977353
Gohan didn't have spiked hair until Androids saga, tbf

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>>544977121

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>>544977470
Every Gohan except Namek (bowl cut) Gohan has spiked hair.
>>544977593
I never get tired of this

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>>544977353
Free my nigga Gohan's hairline, man. The barber he switched to after the Buu Saga has been FUCKING his shit UP.

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>>544977780
That's not a "haircut" bro, he hit the fucking wall. He peaked as a 10 year old in every way.

>>544977748
Anon, both future and present trunks very clearly don't have spiked hair outside of super saiyan going by that pic. I think it's fine for pan to not have spiked hair. Even Fasha didn't have spiked hair if you want to count her

>>544975225
>That's the kind of shit that would make sukuna offscreening Gojo look like a joke
As bad as Cell's sudden return, suddenly knowing IT is, Sukuna offscreening Gojo is on a whole different level. It's the culmination of Gege's bad writing habits (Offscreening, binding vows, info dumps), on top of being a completely sudden swerve just so Gojo dies in a rather humiliating way. A bad setup like that could lead to something interesting, but the final battle is by far the worst part in the entire manga too... By comparison, Toriyama used Cell's return to escalate things, weaken Gohan, have him briefly give up before Goku talks him up all supportive. A bad setup that led interesting moments. That's why I don't think Cell's return can be compared to that, and that return is really bad.

>>544977949
I think it's the context of the immediately preceeding chapter being a gutwrenching goodbye from Goku and a true passing of the torch moment and then nope lol he's back through the most bullshit mechanism possible, just imagine what the threads would be like reading that weekly

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>>544977918
>Fasha
Did have spiked hair edges

>>544978109
>just imagine what the threads would be like reading that weekly
Threads are retarded and have bad taste so them being mad just mean it was good. That logic literally has never failed me for a single chapter of a real manga yet.

Contrarian fag. If threads are mad something was probably wrong with it.

>>544978512
Threads are the contrarian ones, all the shit they bitch about is popular with 99% of the population.

>>544978749
They liked Frieren at least.

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>>544978109
Like I said, it's bad. The whole nucleus thing even contradicts 10 chapters earlier where Goku blew up Cell's head, and Cell regenerated from his torso. I just don't think that level of hackery is comparable to everything surrounding Gojo's death. That was a Sandro/Salagir type of "however" just to be unpredictable in the most frustrating way, on top of the entire thing before and after it being bad. Gojo's death enhances everything bad surrounding it, while Cell's return is a bad moment that still had a few positives.

>>544977748
When I saw Bra during the EoZ tournament as a kid I one didn't realize it was Bejita's second kid and two thought she looked a bit older than 4. She looked 6 to me.

There are two schools of thought with Dragon Ball games:
>Hellzone Grenade is Piccolo's second Ultimate
>Light Grenade is Piccolo's second Ultimate
Which do you subscribe to? Obviously SBC is first.

>>544979147
Hellzone grenade, easily. It's a fairly unique attack that nothing else really replicates whereas light grenade is just kind of a ki blast. The only reason anyone knows what it even is in the first place is because of videogames

>>544979067
>The whole nucleus thing even contradicts 10 chapters earlier where Goku blew up Cell's head, and Cell regenerated from his torso.
I don't think it does, it just sounds to me like any intact part of the body can regen like Piccolo and THEN you have the Nucleus that can regen from scratch on its own.

>>544979412
Like it's not like Andy's regen from Undead Unluck where he always has to regen from the head (at the start), any part can just regen but he has the central part (Nucleus for Cell / Soul for Later Andy) that can recreate the whole thing even if everything else is gone.

>>544977910
That's not even how Saiyan hairlines work though! Bardock still had a perfect hairline at Gohan's age, and Goku still has a perfect hairline as a Grandpa! ;-;

Do other shounen have the thing in dragonball where random ass attacks you wouldn't have even thought of having an actual name randomly get names in videogames or is that just a thing exclusive to us

>>544979412
It would just look really fucking retarded if Cell died with 99% of his body intact just because his nucleus got sniped. If you have a villain that can regenerate and half their body is still there, it's just gonna regrow or it's gonna look lame.

>>544978960
Who's "they". Indian My Anime List bots, maybe.

>>544979762
I think Demon Slayer kinda does that? Naruto kinda does that but those same random attacks are named in the manga too so it doesn't really count?
The Hokuto No Ken musou named a lot of random ass attacks from a bunch of characters but the MCs mostly have their entire kit named by the manga directly I guess?
Super Robot Wars definitely does that a lot but random names for random attacks are kinda a Super Robot staple.

>>544977353
>Spiked hair is a defining feature of the race
that has never been a thing. Hell, one of Bardocks team has a bowlcut

>>544980002
>random attacks are named in the manga too so it doesn't really count?
Yeah i'm specifically talking about stuff like light grenade or big bang crash which seem like generic ki blasts or waves in the manga but are actually hyper specific moves in games

>>544980110
Fucking GOHAN had a bowlcut.

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>>544980427
Everyone here except one guy has spiked hair. That's always been one of the defining characteristics next to having tails.

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>>544979412
>>544979571
The problem is the way he worded it. "There's a nucleus in my head, as long as this is intact, my body can regenerate.", and Piccolo even backs that up later in Buu saga by explicitly saying "I can regenerate as long as my brain is intact". So there's a clear focus on his head and that if it's not damaged, he'll regenerate, and that contradicts his regenerating from his body after his head was destroyed. Sure there are ways to come up with explanations, but as far as the stated way his powers work, it's a plot hole. On top of that he just, suddenly learns IT, despite seeing Goku use it no less than six times before the self destruct, commenting on how annoying it is and never showing any capacity or interest in learning it (Since usually if a character is talented enough to copy a technique in DB, they do so right away), then suddenly he just, can teleport after the self destruct, all so he's not stranded in Other World.

>>544973320
>>544981443
Wait a second...

>>544981367
I feel like it would have been ever so slightly less bullshit if cell IT'd in and reabsorbed 18 as a sneak attack instead of just, being back in his perfect form for some unexplained reason

>>544981512
Just meant for >>544981443
Whoops

>>544981367
A nucleus is smaller than a cell, anon , having the top of your body blown up doesn't mean it's even damaged.

>>544982232
It's still specifically in his head, and his head was blown up. If the nucleus survived the kamehameha then it should've regenerated by itself, independent from the rest of his body. All of that could be solved by having Cell simply claim he has this nucleus in his body, but not specifying where, but since he specified, we have a plot hole.

>>544982709
If it's not blown up, there's no reason it can't still tell the rest of the body to regenerate.
Also he never said 'without the nucleus I can't regenerate at all'.

>>544977593
this the episode that solidified No.4 as my nigga. Still cracks me up too.

Any mods that give you android saga gohan? Criminal you have to pick kid gohan with his slow and stubby ass strings if you don't want to use teen gohan.

>>544983445
In which game?

sparking zero, been eyeing getting it on PC since a key seller has it for 35 bones.

>>544983445
is androids saga gohan that common in videogames? He's kind of a nonexistant character

>>544983687
I know one mod that give you Gohan from the Bojack movie I guess?

Sparking Zero isn't worth anything over $20 realistically.

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>>544982847
>If it's not blown up, there's no reason it can't still tell the rest of the body to regenerate.
It's disconnected from the rest of his body. If Cell were to be beheaded, then the rest of his body would be useless, but he would be capable of regenerating from his head (Assuming he can't just re-attach body parts). The moment his head was blow up, his core was disconnected from the rest of his body.

>Also he never said 'without the nucleus I can't regenerate at all'.
Are you kidding me? He quite specifically says the nucleus is what allows him to heal. There's no point in saying that if he meant "Btw I can still regenerate without my core".

>>544983828
>He quite specifically says the nucleus is what allows him to heal
He also said his regen came from Piccolo's cells when he regrew his arm. The nucleus and the Namekian regen seem to be separated.

>>544983789
not to my knowledge, its mostly my tism since he does fight a fair bit differently when he's training with goku and piccolo so it'd be nice to have an in between from just after namek but before he sharpens up his technique after leaving the time chamber. plus I like the mini raditz mullet he had going on

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>>544983815
i think it's worth at least $25-$30 on PC because there's a guy turning it into Jump Force 2. he's already added Jotaro (Part 3) and Ichigo (End).
https://youtu.be/5tZ8FZasrb8?si=-HLCW1C22tPO9jD_
https://youtu.be/Y0gPZRolDyU?si=cKyE_HTkN2Pgbsn2

>>544985274
Oh and cause you can use mods to actually play as the What If characters (like Freeza Saga SS Vegeta and Gohan Black) on PC.

>>544985274
Yeah I've played it with mods and it's much better if for nothing else than the novelty of the characters.
Budokai Tenkaichi 3 has always been the game where I pick a random or interesting character and fight against my siblings who do the same. In that vein I wish Sparking Zero was more extensive. It missed a lot of popular characters and what ifs.
No GT Vegetto, Goten, Trunks, Bejita (except SS4 and I think they include base). No EoZ Vegetto, Gogeta, Goten, Trunks, Pan, really anyone. Budokai Tenaichi 3 didn't have any of those but that game also didn't cost $100 dollars, require a modern PC to play, or come out in a post internet being mainstream age.
Of course CHADods fix all of this and more. There's a Daima SS5 I've been having fun with. Something about mixing the ugly sanitized Daima SS4 with edgy essencia is funny to me.

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>>544974442
Putting them side by side
>CaC has thicker legs
>Kale has thicker arms
>CaC is taller
>Kale has abs
Had to go Beast because the female Saiyan stances up so low.

>>544986001
Left looks a lot better

>>544977780
Unironically the best thing Superhero did for him was the new hairstyle.

>>544987618
Only to get rid of it immediately by giving him the same super Saiyan look he's always had, same ultimate, and to get rid of it 1 year later in world during the EOZ.

I accidentally introduced majin 21 to trick-or-treating and now she thinks you can do it every day

>>544990078
Based, you should.

>>544985869
>>544985274
The TeamBT4 mod is honestly better than Sparking Zero.
mods for SZ isn’t really that good right now either

>>544978147
I could have saved her

>>544988625
EoZ might as well be not canon at this point.

>>544990195
Aren't there a limited amount of characters you can have in one instant of BT3? And it's a PlayStation mod. I don't have one of those.

>>544991198
you don't need a PS2, it's made for emulation.

>>544991069
either toyo is going to have to rewrite EoZ or toriyama left him some notes on what to fudge and what to omit. No idea why he wanted to commit to pre-EoZ but no one really understood toriyama 100% anyway. Course he can just ignore it too in classic toriyama fashion.

Changing the EoZ immediately renders whatever as non canon to the manga, aka the only thing that matters.

Toyo is a major fan of the franchise with a huge boner for explaining shit and consistency (see cranberry be a reoccurring character). There is a 0% chance he's retconning the ending.

>>544993162
promotional toilet paper

Maybe it's not EoZ they're worried about overwriting, but GT. Sure Daima took the form it introduced, but everything it did fucked with Super's timeline as a whole.

is Breakers Season 9 the last season

>year of our lord 2000 + 25
>mofos still believe toyo is in any way in control of the franchise

>>545000000

>boss on my bottom lane
>attack phase on the top lane
>Gotenks comes to help with the boss
>bot DPS from the bottom switches lane to the top one while pinging the GoD there
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Test

>>545001541
You FAILED

>>544998003
>as soon as Daima came out GT started being memory holed from the franchise's promotional material

Yeah, piss off on that, the fact taht Daima super saiyan 4 is everywehre now while GT SS3 is barely acknowledged anymore tells us they don't give a fuck about GT anymore \\\

>>545000025
What's Toyotaro up to nowadays anyway? You would think he would do things like little doodles or SBSs or just AMAs like oda and kubo do or even Mashima but as far as I know he does nothing and leads a very private life

>>545002029
He participated in an event in France a few months back. Also, he's a promo artist still for DB, and also recently worked on some Gundam iirc. But ultimately he's just an employee, he's nothing like the guys you mentioned.

>>544986001
please adjust your brightness settings. you don't need to play with the colors so washed out

>>545001212
RIP

>>545002029
That's not how it works, faggot. GT is still in Gekishin Squadra, and WILL continue being added in every relevant Dragon Ball game.

You can't memory hole the original SS4 while shilling off a ripoff, that's not how humans work.

>>545004436
>You can't just use the superior canon version actually made by the creator of the franchise instead of the old Toei-only anime people didn't even like!
Yes, you can. It's even easy and profitable.

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Here's your caulifla super Saiyan 3 bro

Daima SS4 lost every fight it entered

>>544987618
You know I forgot about that when I made that post, but you're right. That is a good feel at least. Hopefully that'll stay his standard hairstyle in the future.

>>545005971
There are skinwalkers that think this looks good btw

>>544993367
>Toyo is a major fan of the franchise with a huge boner for explaining shit and consistency
It certainly doesn't show in his work. lol

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>>545005509
the left is actually just Gotenks head. LOL these are easily the worst SS3 Vegeta mods i've seen.

>>545005971
i'm fucking sick.

>>545007776
Post the Kale and Gohan SS3 fanarts that got posted here. I want to put them all side by side.

>>545006697
*won

>>545007445
I think he actually cares about this stuff, he's just not smart enough to pull it off. Take the Cell Jrs. as an example.
>#17 got stronger because... he spared with Cell Jrs.
But how would he even go about taming them in the first place? They were are multiple tier of strength above him, with Cell Jr. being on par with Cell games Vegeta who was stronger than Vegeta who fought 2nd form Cell who was stronger than full power 1st form Cell who absolutely humiliated #17. He attempts to make some sense out of it, but you just end up with even more of a black box.

>>545008402
Post SS4 Daima Goku winning

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>>544671690
definitely not the simplest thing to try...

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>>545008181
which Gohan one are you talking about?

>>545011956
Would Goku give up just because it's hard?

hey what do you get when you get the last tier 4 hero unlock after you unlocked everyone?

>>545012516
You get to choose from Tier 3.

>>545012326
Both times it was more or less Beast but with yellow hair. I saw 2 fanarts of it

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>>545012326
This GOLD

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This one too

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>>545015303
this one's actually blowing me away cause i was extrapolating the same idea from this >>545013095 sketch. i could see this becoming canon. they're just missing that Goku should have a giant bang.

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why couldn't they just give him reasonably sized hair, like this. ;-;

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>T-THEY ARE MEMORYHOLING GT BECAUSE OF M-MUH CALENDAR!
meanwhile everyone in charge of DB
>make Porunga red to remind everyone of Ultimate Shenron
>name the "new" form literally SSJ4
>name the girl of the group PANzy

>>545016018
The evidence is all circumstantial and probably won't be confirmed because no one is getting each other's exclusive forms. I don't like it all that much. I prefer uniqueness.
>>545016380
It's still SS2 but white. I would have preferred if they changed the bangs or something so you can tell who's who in black and white.

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>>545016380
and here's how the actual DLC character looks for the sake of comparison.

>>545016415
yeah that's even more proof they're using daima to replace GT, that was the point

>>545016415
GT is also still featured in games

>>545016658
Replace GT with arm tumors?

>>545016537
My main annoyance with trying to see people find minutae in differences between style of super saiyans is that they tend to ignore art style being a factor, like with super saiyan 3 in Goku and Gotenks aren't that different at all by the end of the arc. That chart from earlier in the thread would make you believe that the difference between vegeta's super saiyan 1 and 2 is more detailed bangs but that's just the art style changing

>>545016415
>name the girl of the group PANzy
A reference to DB movie one akshually

>>545016763
yes

>>545017776
the bottom left panel cuts it off but that seems about the same amount of detail, doesn't it?

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Are we ever going to get an answer to why Daima had to happen before Super? They could just make up any shit like "GOD forms/Angel techniques don't work in the Demon Realm" and "GODs/Angels aren't allowed inside it" and literally nothing else would have to change for the series to happen after Super Hero.
If it was really rights related stuff they wouldn't have been allowed to show pic related in the first place, so it can't be that.

>>545018240
Changed due to default super saiyan 1 having the amount of hair detail that super saiyan 2 did, right? I always wonder why toriyama changed that. It has to be much harder to draw all of those bangs for both forms. Keeping the simple design of old super saiyan was surely much easier to draw?

>>545018375
>had to
Nothing "had to" happen, they just liked it better that way. A story about succession crisis happening right after Dabura dies.

>>545018812
Because they didn't want to involve the pajeet in the story

>>545018562
it's so odd to me that the same guy who axed tails because they were annoying to remember to draw just up and went "hmm yes i'm going to make the form that I have to draw for almost every single character in every panel harder to draw and make it worse looking for no reason" At the very least I can see why Gohan's super saiyan 2 isn't as detailed as it was in cell saga, that would have killed him attempting to draw that consistently

>>545018689
>right after
It's like a year after Buu, isn't it? That's already a long ass time gap

>>545019360
A few months. Very different from 9 years.

>>545019105
He probably just got used to drawing it that way.

>>545019664
I guess. It's just that the more defined the bangs become the less super saiyan actually looks like hair. This got exascerbated by the plastic highlights of post Z yamamuro and the coloring of blue to the point where RoF goku just straight up looks like he has rock candy on his head sometimes. They end up fixing that by the ToP but it's too little too late in most people's mind

>>545021291
I mean, it's not like the on the ground animators have a say in the actual art direction, that's in the purview of the directors and stuff

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>>545005971

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>>545005971
I feel like SS3 Caulifla would look more like Super Trunks' hair, but a bit longer in the back.

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>>545005971
>>545024198
SS3 is for Kale! Caulifla should learn Blue!

>>545025557
Post the manga chapter where a female SSJ3 appears.

>>545026185
i always thought it was a shame that they didn't commit to giving Note or female XV2 CaC's the brow ridge. it kinda undermines the coolness of giving them FP SS Rose when you could just stop at SS3R and look basically the same. lol

>>545014932
actually, i want you, anon

>>545025557
>have eyebrows
But then how do you differentiate SS3s?

>>545027359
Bangs?

>>545027359
eyes, hair, etc etc
also iirc they have eyebrows but they are thinner than normal, though females already have thin eyebrows from the get go so idk

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>>545027059
Oh?

>>545016415
>replace GT with recolors
This is just Toriyama shitposting 2013-style and getting away with it due to braindead pokemon-tier fans.

>>545018375
Why wouldn't they be allowed to show DB characters in a DB media?
Zamasu appears in Heroes so I guess SDBH is canon.

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>>545024198
At least post an ss3 Caulifla that looks good

>>544991198
Why are people in this general so fucking retarded?
You’re a PC player but don’t know about emulation

>>545030610
yeah! i want you to play dragon ball xenoverse 2 with me

>>545030765
There’s a weird rights issue going on with the Super manga and everything else.
If you haven’t noticed Ultra Ego Vegeta, SSB Complete, Frieza Black, Susannoo UI, etc debuted more than 5 years ago and haven’t had a single video game appearance or merch about it.

>>545032578
how would you even do merch of SSB complete? it's just the same thing as normal blue without the Aura. I had honestly forgotten it even existed until you brought it up desu

>>545031325
>eyebrows

This is the ultimate power!

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>>545032578
You reminded me of that MUI Goku figure thats clearly based on the appearance it has in the Moro arc and is even promoted with Toyo's art, but for some reason it doesn't have the "hole in the chest" mark and the shirt is completely ripped off, almost as if to hide the galactic patrol logo it's supposed to have

>>545034794
MUI looks really weird without its aura and when the hair isn't in motion, it just kind of looks like he has a literal chrome dome

Post DB Heroes UI sign Goku with the black shirt

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>>545034794
It just looks the same as MUI from the end of the anime ToP, Toyo just aped the look because of how popular it was. Remember he drew UI skinny like SSGod in his ToP, but with muscles in Moro to match the anime look

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>>545035471

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So did Toyostans ever admit this was Kaioken mixed with Blue? It seems to be generally accepted now, but I remember Toyolocos were arguing like crazy that "no it's NOT kaioken it's just the same principle", which is nonsense, Kaioken is a specific technique, it's not a catch all term for powering up super hard

>>545037407
Isn't this just SSB Evolved?

>>545038504
you're an idiot

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>>545037407
I trust Tien.

>>545039224
trying to write around kaioken like this just causes more questions, like why didn't the Z fighters always do this when they're in a desperate situation.

>>545039332
I mean, that's the same "why doesn't everyone learn Kaioken" logic.

>>545039741
well yeah, but even weirder because it also extends to goku too, if he's been capable of doing this why hasn't he?

>>545039845
It is a very big gamble and trying to pull it off might be more trouble than it's worth? Like it didn't exactly win him the fight there.

>>545040164
sure, but there's been several points where they're completely out of options so may as well try anyways, like vegeta could've used it to stall for time against kid buu or something

At the end of the day toyo really should have used kaioken just because it looks really cool, unless he hates it because it's referencing anime filler or something

>>545039224
Tien's never seen Kaioken with his own eyes in Tori's manga

You guys are forgetting that SS3 is banned from anime because it's difficult to animate.

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>>545040647
In person no, but he does comment on it like he's aware of its inner workings.

>>545040647
But Kaio explained it to him. They're all discussing it back during the Freeza fight.

>>545040803
That's a lie though??

>>545040538
There was a one-sided rivalry back then between Toyo and Toei.

>>545040803
>SSJ3 Bejita has that retarded design because its easier to animate compared to the flowy long normal SSJ3 hair

This is 100% what happened, isnt it

>>545044486
I wish there were good female space monkey fics, it's just all vegetabulma slop