>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-24-2025-update.87198/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/furshit: >>545143567
You guys play with fags? ew
>>545225720guuuuh i wanna blow the doorcock but im not gay!!!!
What are the necessary item for Seven to be "online"? Boundless, Escalatign Exposure and Surge?
>>545225953my personal take is that seven is just dogshit currently and there isn't an OP item to fix itmight as well buy trophy collector
>>545225953unstoppable, refresher, diviner's kevlar
>>545225953The problem with Seven isn't build, it's Capacitor being common. He's strong with most of his common builds if they don't buy it, but if they do, his 3 doesn't exist and that disables himPlay ball Seven. It's still okay
I came to the unfortunate realization during an insane loss streak yesterday that I *have* to play the shit I'm actually good at with the builds I already know to have a chance at winning. There actually is just zero room for messing around or trying something new. I spent most of the day trying new builds and it was sorta insane just how badly it wentIn a way it makes sense, me playing well on the characters I'm good at is what got me here to this rank, so if I dip below that level it follows that my rank would decrease but it still just feels crazy in the moment. I think of all the times I go crazy and win lane hard and snowball or carry the game and how some people on my team essentially just get a free win and then for 12 straight games that doesn't happen to me a single time. Game after game after game everyone on my team is feeding early, every single lane is losing everytime I look for several games in a row, *BEFORE* me and my shit build can even influence the game in a negative way my other lanes have already lost hard. There were multiple times where we were down 10k or close to it ridiculously early to the point I had never seen it before, like it would be 36k souls to 44k souls and it shocked me early laning could go that poorly that early on seemingly across every single lane. Ive been stomped before, and had hopeless feeling games, but there's something weirdly more hopeless about seeing that number that early - as even if you get the 1st comeback urn for free it almost feels pointless, were souls really the problem? That sort of difference that early (when soul difference is negligible) feels like there's such a mechanical difference in skill between the teams the souls wont matter. Maybe people have already come to these realizations. I only came back with the new heroes so idk if there's been some massive debate about normal/ranked but something does feel way off with having to play your best every single game to have a CHANCE to win
Why is Yamato allowed to latch to someone and go through 5 different buildings to reach the opponent, but Drifter's 2 has a 50% chance of having the camera fuck up for any number of dumb reasons, making him miss his 1 which is basically all his damage before 25k souls
>>545227181I've literally never had this happen. It always make you appear behind the guy with your camera facing them.Also yamatos 2 was hilariously useless before they made it teleport, though I do miss being able to launch myself by cancelling it before I hit the target.
>Obvious smurfing streamerstack on the enemy team>The Viscous on my team that's done nothing but farm a single lane all game defends themWhat goes through the minds of these people?
>>545227506... and she was a good friend.
>>545225953after this just buy boundless, and unstop/lifesteal and the game is ending
>>545227395>I've literally never had this happenGlad to be you. If you put your back to a wall, even if it's just a weird off-angle while moving around an obstacle, it teleports you onto them/makes you face them. Which means that if they continue in the original direction, they walk through you and you have to 180 in the tiny cast time of 1 to hit them. Same shit if they're walking backwards, they'll just walk backwards through youYou can test the first by going into sandbox and making an enemy face their back to the wallAlso there's situations like people putting their back to a ledge so you fall off and miss the 1, teleporting in the middle of someone's dash and being dropped at the start of it, or people literally just buying Enduring Speed/dashing the second you teleport - even if the teleport worked properly - and missing the main portion of the 1The only time Drifter's 2 is guaranteed to work as intended is if they're walking in the open, exclusively running away from you without any camera pivoting
>>545227406>furfagdeserved, fuck you
>>545227181you didn't play yamato before the grapple fixes,It was a fucking vomit simulator. at least you got a free melee>>545227573seven is just a worse warden at this point, they even build exactly the same items.
>>545228443>durr durr before fixesSo why did they learn nothingThank fucking god you get a free light melee that people at higher elos are prepared to parry anyway
>my friends fight in the enemy jungle all game long>not even just fighting, oftentimes just posturing for long times and setting up for fights too>I just rotate between sidelanes trying to defend our walkers over and over>I have low hero damage at the end screen at the end and get called shitthis is fucking stupid, what the fuck
>>545228686clean it up janny!
feel like my aim is pretty good on literally every hero except holiday where somehow I can miss people so close my gun is literally clipping into their model. am I just a retard or what
>>545228686Tell them to learn basic macro and that they're actively losing money for no reason
gg for the one
>3/13 on match history>11 of those losses there are multiple Archon or higher players on the other team, usually in a 4+ stackI'm Arcanist, and falling fast. The fuck is wrong with this game's matchmaking?
>>545228686Janny! I had to get a few sinners, a T3, now there's a wave on Yellow. Be a doll, and go clean it up, i want to brool in mid.
>>545228779I played a game as wraith where I just completely dominated, nonstop headshots and card and just felt like godnext game I play gun holiday and I shit you not I legitimately wanted to quit the game out of embarrassment WHILE WINNING because during lane it felt like I missed 50 straight poke shots in a row. I legitimately wondered at one point if I would ever hit a shot again. It didnt make sense to me
>>545225804SEX WITH THE DOORMAN
>>545225953best bet is to go ball and build all the generic spirit items for it (boundless, recharge, range, cooldown)escalating if you can afford it/don't have a slot, mystic vuln is more important to havehis 3 is weak because of capacitor, but surge of power is still good to haveif you're ahead then I think spirit burn is good to have to win harderbuilding for ult might still be good but personally it just feels way too expensive for it to be worth it
>>545228779>>545229482holliday is the hardest gun to use in the game, and ironically, the m1 hero shitfecta(infernus, haze, wraith) have the easiest guns to aim with
>lane with a paige>they speak>tranny voiceI've met more women playing bebop then paige in this game.
did i miss the inhouses?
>>545229892I love it
>>545229969yes.
>reset my router>ping goes from 130 to 150what the fuck is going on
>>545229892from what I've seen, women mostly play this guy or Mina
>>545230538infinite ping glitch if you keep resetting
I'm a woman (male) and I play Geist
>>545230804nigga we gonna boil you
>>545229892I made a friend and she only plays Ivy.
>>545230575yeah the bebop player I've played with also played Mina.
>>545230575All the women (actual women, mentally ill men roleplaying don't count) I've encountered played either Ivy or Paige support.There was one chick who played a pretty good Pocket though.
>>545230886*swaps*
>>545225804>doorcockSurely you meant doorknob right? Really missed an opportunity there
>>545229892>>545230575>>545231289My female(real) friend plays Visc, Geist, and Bebop. She's still testing the heros though. I've never seen a woman playing Paige minus the one autistic girl who was doing punch build.
Help, our dynamo keeps STOOOMPING and he hasn't ulted even once!
>>545230575My female deadlockers play Kelvin and Viscous respectively
How do you carry with Geist? I'm hardstuck in phantom
PUSH
>>545225386and her teeth need this many polygons for which reason again?
I use my mic to make grunts or moans of pain when I die or make a misplay
>>545232079>spergette playing melee Paigethat's wife material
holy fuck euroniggers a fucking terrible at this game.
>>545225804this but only if he changes his form to a twink anthro catboy
>>545225953>Surge and boundlessCapacitor>Infuser ultCapacitor, knockdown and spirit burn>Infuser, Boundless, EE, UnstoppableCapacitor your infuser anyways while your ult is ignored because ritualist players can't not stand in your entire ult.he does nothing right now, literally 0 reason to pick him over something like Infernus, Haze or Wraith
>>545233880I had a Shiv in my game last week. He was fucking terrible but kept roleplaying, via mic, as Shiv the entire time
>>545228121nta but that's a monster hunter monster, you underaged newfaggot.
>>545227406because all viscous players are scum sucking pedophiles and will always be the biggest subhuman in any lobby/defend other subhumans in the lobby
>>545234757same but lash, last week as well, fucking weird.
how has nobody made Ultimate Bravery for deadlock yet?
>>545233460No answers?
>>545235387no answers. youre in uncharted territory.
>>545233460>how do you win on (Character that isn't disgusting early and mid game)you don't. it's not in your hands. this meta is dogshit and the entire game is warped around being strong early and ESPECIALLY at 20-25 minutes for the mid fight that decides the game.Geist is simply not powerful enough at that time.you can TRY to splitpush, but you'll just get 3 manned, then they'll force a 5v6 fight, get a pick and get mid and you lose from there.this meta is unsalvageable as it makes nearly more than half of the roster fucking unplayable.
>>545235387>I'm hardstuck in Phantombuy a coach idk why you're asking here we have almost no one at that rank or above
>>545235561So, excluding all the negro heroes, who do I play?
>>545235664play drifter Ive heard hes good in phantom
>>545235664Kelvin, Mina, Pocket, Calico, Abrams, etc etc.avoid characters like Seven, Wraith, any gun character that isn't named Infernus, ESPECIALLY Vyper.
>>545235783heard from whom? He's like the worst hero in the game right now
>>545235783Drifter is the literal worst gun character in the game, retard. don't give actual malicious advice like that.>oh but spirit drifterget cancer asap for throwing games.
>>545235906oh shit youre right lol
>>545227506Is this a paige panties mod? I want to get it + mina panties, just because the void is weirdly more distracting than panties because my brain registers it SHOULD be there but isn't
Question about Boon scaling: if I buy something that scales with Boons later in the game it will get updated or the items star counting Boons after you buy them?
>>545227506>>545236035kill yourselves, gooner trannies.
>>545236045its justlike spirit power scaling but using your level instead so it'll update if you buy it late
>>545236035>just because the void is weirdly more distracting than panties because my brain registers it SHOULD be there but isn'tThis level of porn addict cope is really sad to see, man.How do you even get to this point?
Mystic Slow on spirit Drifter? Feels like you can keep it up consistently
>>545236676yeah its pretty busted on him, combo it with escalating exposure and youre doing some serious damage
>>545236676just fuck stop being retarded and just get close quarters, you retards aren't being smart with this dogshit "theorycrafting" CQ gives weapon damage in your effect range, instantly slows AND builds off of one of your best items in lane.>>545236774shut the fuck up, retard
>>545236676That sounds tremendously stupid. Just get ES like any sane person and after you put one point in your 3 you should outpace most enemies.
thoughts on magic carpet drifter, Ive been building it as my first 6k and it really helps me track down isolated targets, Ive been climbing through phantom pretty easily with this strat
>dynamo keeps doing the most overextended black holes, completley unaware of where his team isnigga thinks he is pocket
>>545236943>CQ>on spirit DrifterRead the fucking post faggot. I'm not asking for hybrid, I'm not asking for gun, I'm asking for spirit. I do grab it on gun. But on spirit it's fucking worthless to get an item at double the price but literally doesn't even add damage to his 1 (or any melee ability). Even on normal Drifter it's only a good pic because you need a slow to chase people. If you just want damage, there's better shitEither way, it was just a question. it's 1600 souls you pseud nigger. You definitely waste twice as much as that every game on shit you think actually works on the character even the top players don't know what to build>>545237026Enduring Speed? The item literally every Drifter get and yet people still complain about enemies walking away from him? Because he's like one of 2 or 3 characters without a form of CC?A slow is mandatory. Even if you stack a fuckton of speed, it's still mandatory because the main way people survive Drifter is running to their team. It's not about keeping up the chase, it's about denying the enemy a chance to escape and keep them isolated
>>545237098it seems like landing your mark and getting any slowing item would completely negate the need to do this. Not to mention you get a massive moves peed buff when people are are alone.
>>545237212>I'm asking for spiritnot reading the rest of your post, you're a drooling fucking retard throwing your Emissary games with this rancid shit build. might as well build magic carpet with how useful you are to your team.why the fuck are you asking for advice on a troll build genuinely? actually kill yourself.
>>545237246yeah but it lets me jump people in the jungle, like you cant land a 2 on someone doing double vaults for instance, this lets me jump them and land a point blank 2 in case they have an escape like a mina, I combo it with superior duration as well its working super well
>>545237310>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO B-Didn't ask, you're a worthless faggot who probably thinks Point Blank and Close Quarters add damage to his 1 outside of shop bonus
Hey guys, I am going spirit Haze (not fucking useless btw) should I get Mystic Slow for my spirit procs on 3? I think it'd be pretty good I think.
>>545237357I mean I guess it increases the length of bleed from your 2, but it seems like you could just go warpstone or majestic leap for way way cheaper.
>>545237464no, because I also like getting decay which synergizes with everything else, they just bleed so much
>>545237368>Drifter 1 damage is why you're playing himdo you have a dent in your skull from your crackwhore mother pushing it in to use as an ash tray?no wonder you cancer feed on spirit drifter LMFAO.at least in your emissary games you can probably get away with forcing your team to play 5v6.God I bet you build spirit snatch too LMFAO
>>545237212Think carefully anon. When is drifter applying spirit? When he’s either point blank with rend, with a mark, or ulting. In the first instance you don’t need a slow because you’re smelling their hair, in the second you have a literal teleport to them, and the third one gives you a butt load of sprint. Just get slowing hex. It does way more for you. Mystic slow would be an awful waste of money on drifter. I don’t see why you’d need a slow if your spirit drifter anyway, you’ll either be bursting and running and you’ll have cold front
>>545235590>we have almost no one at that rank or aboveerm.. I'm sorry
>>545237592>Think carefully anonhe not only plays post nerf drifter, he plays SPIRIT drifter. he is physically incapable of that LMAO
>>545237592>when is he applying spiritThe entire chase? You said it yourself, every button applies spirit damage, and his 1 will apply it at all ranges because your core items add spirit to it at all ranges. His 2 is a 6 second slow with it. Drifter gets onto the enemy for free, he doesn't keep them there for free. Simply dashing away from him immediately gets you out of his 1 so his combo isn't even reliable until Arctic. If you're instantly killing people as spirit, you're so far ahead that it doesn't matter. But that's not how most Drifter games are. It's common as hell that you engage someone and wait for them to disengage before reactivating 2. Keeping them slowed means you force abilities to be used early and you can wait longer to reactivate 2Regardless, it's a permanent slow. The entire reason you buy Point Blank on him on other builds.
so with all that out of the way we have concluded that drifter has the spergiest playerbase
>>545238432Or falseflagging retards that are waiting for a chance to scream at anyone like a schizophrenic because no one's joining their in houses
do mystic slow/supressor work on the passive spirit damage from minas gun (not the buildup explosion)
mcnigger ult unironically needs a buffshe should be able to aim it on herself like bebop
>>545238813no, neither does mystic regen (but radiant does for some reason)
>>545238198Anon, mystic slow lasts for two seconds.>The entire reason you buy Point Blank on him on other buildsNo you fucking faggot it’s because it also gives +50% damage at his natural range. I’m actually losing patience with you. Just buy fleet foot if you’re truly this shit at keeping up with people on an already good chaser. Instead you want a 2 second measly slow tied to your melee range 1 and your skill shot 2 with a 20 second cool down that teleports you to them anyways? Slowing hex literally turns off movement abilities. I’m done humouring this bait.
>>545239101>Anon, mystic slow lasts for two secondsWithout a cooldown. So it's permanent as long as you're applying damage. Your 2 is applying it for the entire duration. Your ult is applying it for the entire duration. If you happen to have Backstabber, you're applying it for the entire duration.You aren't humouring shit. You're preaching to the choir who has done everything you consider yourself knowledgeable on and is having fun trying different shit and minmaxing shop bonuses at certain pointsShut the fuck up and stop acting like some holier than thou nigger. I'm better than you.
>>545239101Yeah, I have no clue why I also tried to humor that obviously pisslow animal.should have expected the retard to be a rabid dog with no thought process when he's unironically theorycrafting mystic slow on fucking DRIFTER lmao
Eternus drifter here. Mystic slow is abysmal dogshit. Thank you.
>>545239101Oh and because I forgot, 50% damage at his natural range 'on his bullet alone' isn't shit. You get it for the slow. Hunter's, Hollow Point, and anything with above 35% fire rate all add more effective damage and only scale further the higher your base weapon damagePoint Blank is bought exclusively for the slow compared to the alternatives. If it actually worked on his 1, it'd be a different story
Seeker drifter here. Mystic slow is incredibly strong. Thank you.
>>545224987the best tv show ever
>Point Blank is bought exclusively for the slowhow aggressively dogshit is the average player in this general?
>it's the cat retard again>the same retard that didn't know how resistance reductions workHOLY SHIT LMAO
>>545239101>>545239265>>545238198>>545239386>>545239326Oracle drifter here who averages 10.5 deaths a game. Movespeed is basically a slow and better for ganking than any slow on him, especially with his passive giving 2m/s. I would never buy mystic slow it just gives them a reason to buy enduring
>it’s another episode of autists follow public tranny builds to a tee and do not even try to consider changing up items (They haven’t tried it btw)
>>545239492Emissary and trans btw, forgot to mentionI love spirit drifter and mystic slow!
>>545239450is this a fucking ai slop gif
Phantom drifter here. Magic Carpet Superior Duration is amazing. Thank you.
>there are people in this thread who unironically think 50% damage, conditional at that, is better than equivalent 3200 resist reductions and fire rate>calling others emissaryRetards who got their opinions from streamers lmao
>Nu-Archon peakers thinking they are gonna be the big new theorycrafter and aren't just shit building Dunning-Kruger is going insane in this general.
(there's a reason point blank is always bought after other core items rather than first or second)
>>545239362>hunters adds more effective damage You’re an idiot who can’t do basic maths.
>Actually eth shift/blood tribute/berserker/toxic/weighted shots are terrible fucking items, why? umm, well people aren't rushing it first item!cannot believe how retarded some of you "people" are
>>545239916>it's this conversation again-24% resist is a 124% multiplier of the final damage. 50% weapon increase is a 50% bonus on your base weapon damage. They give vastly different resultsIf you've ever played PoE or any other game where multipliers actually matter you'd know why it's always built first>b-b-but it adds 1 sprint speed that's the reason AND I'm afraid of being shot so I get it as my first item..I sure hope you don't think this
>>545240076Go into the training room and test this. Moron. See which number is bigger
>Hardstuck shitlow spirit drifter player trying to pretend point blank is a bad item on drifternow it's just bait, not giving this baiting/actual retard any more human interaction.
>bought for the slow and other items give more damage if that's all you care about = badthe strawman autists continue
I just like doing the funny teleport glomp :3 I only play drifter when queuing with my shitter friends as a sandbag
Eternus drifter here. If you're going gun drifter, you almost never go point blank. Close quarters gives you half the damage already for a quarter of the price, and slow is generally a mediocre thing since dashes exist. In terms of damage, you want to go all the mulplicative 3200 gun items after getting to a good base with a mix of value 800/1600 items (about 7-9k worth of them). These 3200 items are hunters aura and burst fire/blood tribute. At this point this is the peak of your powerspike and you can 1v1 basically anyone who isnt giga ahead of you.
>retard gets triggered>starts shitposting off timerbro shut the fuck up damn
>>545240260Why did she get stunned?
>>545240401torment pulse tick right as I teleported
>>545240076I think it does less damage but the fire rate reduction is nice. Helps your team and gives you some even more 1v1 potential
>>545240197Okay now test it with literally any item other than Hunter's also on your bar. Or with the boons you have at the level you'd actually buy it. Or just test the difference in 1 damage, since that's what matters earlyThere's no chance you just bought Hunter's/PB, clicked their head, and said "yep that's more" lmao. After talking about knowing maths
>>545240260>radiant regenerationfor why
>>545240530Because my goals are beyond your comprehension.
This is gonna be a looong month, isn't it?
>>545240602This is the shitpost build I spoke about the other day isn't it, where I saw some guy with Healing Tempo and the 800g regeneration. Honestly I kinda wanted to try it but it's very retarded
>>545240668no clue who you're talking about I just love doing dumbass builds like this. Before this I tried a full spirit decay/tox bullets/focus lens that just dot ticked to death.
>>545240602I buy berserker a lot it guarantees a 1v1 win. Kino drifter item
why do the esportsniggas call sinclair magician
>Die to the Hotel checkout as GT>Hear the long ass dialogue from Doorman So they didn't cut those lines from the game nice.
>>545237098its good, I use it on my dogshit troll build for 30 second ult duration
>item bar is 2x6 instead of 3x4
>>545241157thats what he used to be called lil nigga
>>545241197>look up the line in question>it's Cat's in the Cradlelol
>ITT retards from the trannycord get angry that someone is better than them at a character and spamThank fuck this general keeps dying. Eventually it'll be permanent
Play split shot Calico and tank the less fortunate people's FPSs
>>545242178works better with splitshot yamato>get grappled onto, hits right click>framerate drops from 100 to 20
>>545242237even her powah surashu nukes my FPS
Currently, the game is a 6/10 when it was 7/10 at "launch" last year.It could be 11/10 but Yoshi and all modern game devs are too fucking retarded to make any game worth of substance.I can taste what this game could become, I know what to change to get it there, but even the most skillful and benevolent voices are victims to the void.
>>545242740what's your five point plan to make it an 11/10?
>>545227004Capacitor sucks; why would it stop Seven lmao
weren't the next characters supposed to be out by now?
>>545242815Bro.. your 3? Your really long cooldown thing? That's all your damage?
>>545242740the game is better than it wassorry not sorry
>>545242740Hit me bro, my buddy works at Valve.
>>545242740By all means, tell us how this game can become a "11/10"
>>545239605>not knowing who Luna isYou are pathetic and nothing
>inb4 the most heinous and incompetent plan you've ever heard
>>545242809>>545242969>>545242987You lesser minds are not even worth it. It doesn't matter anymore anyways because they never listen and I'm always proven right.None of it matters. We die and then what could have been is meaningless.
Nah babe.I'm Laaaaaaaaaash.
>>545243631I knew you wouldn't elaborate, but the sappy nihilism is a bit much
>>545243631If it doesn't matter then just post the plan dingus. Otherwise you are just a blustering windbag
Don't be a nihilist okay Jesus loves you.
>>545243740I'm not a nihilist; just when you're gone from this plane, none of what you were matters.>>545243763After 30 years of words being unheard, I'm too tired to speak anymore.>>545243816My faith is about to crumble. Dark times.
im almost at phantom, I am nearly a god and lashpilled
I buy point blank for the damage on abrams.
>>545242809>>545242969>>545242987SWIMSUIT SKINS
This game might have the worst forced 50 shit I've ever seen in a game, and I've played games where they unironically put real bots on your team to guarantee you lose
>>545244086Watch out bro, you're in for 10 losses in a row according to >>545244553 lol
>>545244823I say that as someone who had a 15 win streak and then got literally 9 leavers in a row. That was a week ago. I've stopped playing more than a few games a day because it's so obvious
Wraith hentai I know you are here
>>545244882you will NEVER be in my lobbies
>>545244869You know if you play enough games that is a statistically probable thing to happen even without forced 50.
fun fact: an ancient way to keep thirst at bay is to suck on a stone
>>545242740this nigga think he's really him
so what do you do as mina if the clock strikes 30 minutes and you now deal zero damage despite going 14/0 while your indecisive team does nothing despite getting 3 kills everyone alive?
>>545246182PARKER
>>545246182>getting out objective damaged by a fucking gun GT as Mina
>>545246287spirit talon sure but that's a gun talon, whole different beast.
>>545245063It wasn't the only thing that led me to that conclusion though. I just know it definitely didn't helpIf you think games don't use EOMM, which is statistically proven to keep people more likely to play, you're being naive. It doesn't always have to be egregious, it can be subtle. But it's very fucking hamfisted and you'll recognize it if you ever go on winstreaks
>>545242740https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/?job_cat=game-designthen fix it yourself retard
how good is the average inhouse lobby? i don't want to play with pisslows
>>545247462Everyone is Eternus 1 or higher
>>545247462Initiate-Alchemist with ocasional archon smurf that everybody complains about
You fags keep saying the game shows all stat hard caps but it doesn't
>>545237310>doesnt respect the carpetExposed yourself
Τhe black wοman οf Valve unoriginality.Τhese are ΤWO different characters.
every day I consider dropping deadlock for dota 2. I never hear any negativity concerning that game, but with deadlock the negativity is nonstop, and for good reasons.
>>545249942>I never hear any negativity concerning that gameYou aren't looking hard enough. But dota is pretty good for how long its existed
>>545249942>I never hear any negativity concerning that gameBro the game is all negativityThe entire game is balanced around the ability to stun your enemy for 12 seconds. Winning in that game isn't actually about winning, it's about making the enemy unfathomably angry
>>545250301Drifter would've killed Hitler for using subordinates instead of his own hands
>>545250375Nonsense. He needs help himself, otherwise he'd try to 1v12 the ritual.
>>545250375nahDrifter would have been Hitlers Top Guy
>>545249942>every day I consider dropping deadlock for dota 2. I never hear any negativity concerning that game
>>545250242>it's about making the enemy unfathomably angryBased
>>545240076I was here for that conversation and you got btfo?>>545239532Slows are like shred, they help the team(ms is better for drift because you dont want to help your team)>>545239685>fire rate is betterYes>and so is resist reductionNoIm not sure who started this meme but it feels like some coach psyoped his team into shred for a focus fire comp and every mathlet is parroting it Just skimming through this thread and it seems to be an enshittification strategy. Probably
>>545249942I am never going back to DOTA2. (unless they release a 'classic' version without all the bloat)
>>545250595Dota 2 Classic+ [Season of Discovery]
>>545250424Wraith has a voiceline about how Drifter would singlehandedly stunlock the entire ritual by killing people nonstop if it meant winning a betThe ritual needs more people because the patrons really want to win. Drifter himself doesn't even care about winning, he just wants to kill>>545250440>ancient monster>having a bosslolHe'd give him the same treatment he wants to give to the Troubadour
>>545250595ok boomer
>>545250558>you got btfo?You mean the one correction about how there's diminishing returns on reduction from multiple sources, but it still ends up being more? One minor correction that amounts to a sub-5% loss in reduction even if you stack 4 items does not mean that everything else wasn't true lmao. Or the guy that showed a graph saying that resist reduction is worth more against people with higher armor but his argument literally didn't even matter until 50% and only at like 80% was there anything major, and negative resists were still working as intended? The same graph that literally lets you plug in the numbers being talked about and shows that it literally doesn't matter what percentage of armor they were at, resist reduction always beat out weapon %?Resist reduction is a more multiplier, the person acting like weapon damage multipliers beat that was proven to be retardedBasic fucking maths cunt. One multiplies the final number, the other multiplies the base number to create the final number that resists multiply. It's basic ass order of operations
>teammate plays with me in lane>we win>teammate doesn't>we loseHate this game. I'm gonna start swapping into schizo character lanes
>>545249942I got into Dota via Deadlock. When I get bored of one I boot up the other. No reason to only play one vidya jame
>>545251190Sounds like you need a friend!
>>545242740LMAO if you believe solo lanes were better than it is right now, the removal of solo lanes and needing to last hit autistically DRASTICALLY improved the game.There's also a better item system (but guns on everyone is still fucking lame, and the melee minigame feels too stupid and risky)Yes there are serious flaws but it's still a vast improvement you just liked it better back then cause it was new and exciting but it was 100% worse.
>>545251684My friends are fucking shit. They haven't wanted to get good at a game in like 7 years so everything we play, they half-ass it for a couple days, learn nothing, then get mad that they keep losing
>>545229892>theyYou're a part of the problem
>>545251190All I want is for the game to tell me the rank of my laning partnerI don't give a shit if they're terrible or good. I just want to temper my expectations and know whether I'm gonna have to afk farm or if I can actually play the game
>>545251086The order doesnt matter early because less items are being calculated
>>545251916I can see showing us ranks being toxic with people getting mad at worse teammates not listening but they should at the very least show who is a party together and who isnt. I know they dont want people to chimp out about losing to stacks when solo but still, I think it's extremely relevant to the game unlike seeing ranks. If you see a dynamo plus lash duoed together that's a COMPLETELY different game than if they're solos
>>545242846Says who?>>545242740>>545243631You must be 18+ to post here
>>545252045By the time you get your first 3200, it starts mattering. By then your inventory is gonna have at least a few oranges in it and it only snowballs more from there
>>545244125I hate melee Abrams but gunbrams just isnt as viable, I hate it here>>545250595Coward, I wish Deadlock got Dota2's level of complexity >>545251778This, you need to be a special brand of autist to unironically enjoy this game, most normies won't even bother
>>545252248My friends definitely aren't normies. They're just retarded. They'd actually be good at games if they didn't just say "we're too boomer for games now" as an excuse to not even read abilities
Is this Yamato redesign legit?
>>545252248I fucking love melee. I miss old crushing fists. The parry nerf was so deserved and seeing retards complain about is insane. Holding Q and getting stunned for 0.00001 seconds was not okay lmao.
>>545252216If you are diversified in your damage sources, ego one fire rate one damage item, then it matters less even longer. It also doesnt affect flat dmg like hsb. The priority is flat dmg>fire rate>weapon damage>resist. You should not be rushing it unless in a support I accept your concession
>>545251086I was here during the resist discussion and I would just like to point out that I was 100% correct about everything
>>545252865>literally making shit upEvery single character that gets Hunter's gets it first 99% of the time but I'm sure you know better than everyone lmaoFucking retard
I wish there was a non ranked queue on this game. I get unreasonably stressed out when make believe goodboy points are on the line for some reason
Bad players just truly have no idea how bad they are huh? They have some sort of dunning kruger effect going on I guess. I also used to be the same I think; thinking I was the shit when I was bad. But over time playing games I've become better and more critical of myself and try not to make mistakes so much. I still make mistakes and am not the best player; I know that.But bad players who haven't gained that kind of consciousness just don't get it do they? They do bad things, don't think, don't help, don't know when to engage or really how to play at all. They think the things they're doing are the most useful and smart plays, when in reality some times it's the worst thing they could possibly do. The abandon their team at the "worst" times; as in, they should be helping, but just leave for some reason. But then, they don't abandon when they should and then die themselves too in a 'captain going down with the ship'-way. They just straight up don't understand that what they do drags the team down so hard the climb back up is nearly impossible without divine intervention or sheer luck.
>>545253183>no arguement
>>545253260Nice analysis Freud. Stupid people don't know they're stupid, yes. So what's the need for the rest of the pseud shit?
>>545253260>midwit discovers people aren't intentionally badYou are who your post is talking about
>545253360>ignores the argument like a cowardly jewI accept your autism and concession
>>545253203you ARE playing the nonranked queueor the ranked queuedepending on how you look at it.
545253494Appeal to consensus is not an arguement
>>545253472>>545253365No, that isn't exactly what I'm saying I don't think. Maybe I didn't fully explain myself right. Trust me, I know I am not the best player. I know I'm not "pro" or anything of the sort. But I am saying that I pay attention, I try to play well. I don't do things like dive mid boss and die by myself. I don't stick around on lane for no reason at all without even farming or killing minions then die to a gank. I don't let the enemy team just walk down lane and take guardian/walker. I don't let the enemy steal our farm/sinners without atleast trying to fight/stop them. Etc.Yet these things happen all of the time in my game because my dumb, bad teammates have genuinely no concept of it being a bad thing happening. They will see a dude stealing sinners and not even shoot them one time, no ability use, nothing at all. They just hand it over on a silver platter. During team fights when they can secure a kill very easily with a skill, they don't do it. Worse yet, they'll do some shit like get parried and die themselves or just double jump dodge away and let them escape. And so on.The unintentionality of it is the entire problem. They are so bad they don't even know what they're doing. Genuinely makes me question if they have free will or not.
>>545252572Probably not, hat too similar to seven. Even if they are remodeling seven too soon it seems unlikely that theyd change his hat much now its established
>>545252572probably, leakers are saying its used by a different hero called fencer right now though
>>545254149I really don't think that's an issue whatsoever, there's plenty of other overlaps between characters
>>545254673they are never going to balance her hitbox with that hat and making the gigantic rim not shootable is just a bad solution to a dumb design.they're going to have to give her the stupid headshot resistance that all the big head characters have.
>>545254673>leakers are sayingSo it's made up bullshit
>>545254772>making the gigantic rim not shootable is just a bad solutionIt's not, it's perfectly fine
>>545255461Retard
>>545255336yeah this was fake toothere is no experimental build
>>545255627why i cannot still play burn face man
God I want to go early phantom strike on calico badly but I don't know what the best item to delay is. Am I insane in thinking it's a good item? It basically guarantees hitting all your bombs and lets you engage from a very long range instantly.
Why are people so fucking retarded that they believe every fucking "leak" that appears?
>illusion>multi-unit controlWill they add these mechanics to Deadcock?
>>545255783People want to feel like they're in the secret cool kid's club
>>545255905how do you add multi-unit control to an over-the-shoulder shooter?retard
>>545255905Illusion could work but they probably would not add multiunit unless they can figure out a way to do it without a million camera quick cuts
>>545255905Further proof that dota players are genuine retards who ONLY play dota
>>545256085It would have to be some alternative mode that you enter i thinkLike the 2 skill would immobilize you and switch to top down or just a zoomed out third person and you would control the micro units and have to press 2 to regain control of the character with traditional veiw
>like the gameplay because of the movement and there's really no movement based shooter left anymore, even when this game movement is much worse than what arena shooters had>literally all of the heroes feel like shit to playhow
>>545256212The item itself could be semi doable in deadlock, but not with actual micro attached to it.You'd just have the illusions be synchronized and on cast it could put you in one of the 3 illusion spawn locations randomly so you could dodge stuff with it.
>>545256404have you tried Shiv? since you are a quake boomer jumping around and instagibbigng everything should be up your alley
ice "nigger" frog bring back the fucking solo lanes
>>545256542all the shotgun heroes feel like shit because valve doesn't understand how shotguns work.
>>545256650They work fine except for Calico
>>545256514Why? Stuffing the game full of mechanics doesn't make it a better game
>>545256606Solo lanes suck ass because there's no flexibility in them, whoever is better/has the better matchup just slowly gains an advantage until it's over.
>>545249942I am legit considering coming back but i feel like it changed a lot.
>>545256606t. Nigfernus main
>>545256718Could be fun. I'm not batting hard for manta style in deadlock, just saying I could imagine theres a way to do it where it could be cool.
>>545256925you already have a manta dodging equivalent with counterspell, and the illusions aren't going to fool anyone outside of initiate
>>545256650Denying is rightfully seen as a hinderance for more interesting weapons, but I feel like fire rate and ammo are also problems. Since fire rate is a multiplicative factor everyone wants it, and it means that weapons don't have a fine-tuned fire rate that feels good, everything just becomes an automatic in the end. Ammo is the same except it's not as important, i mean it's not possible to have a six shooter or double barreled shotgun if ammo counts are variable. Possibly the entire gun system should be remade, they're designing everyone as bullet hoses.
>>545257064You don't know how manta works.When you use it you are untargetable for a second then it spawns you and 2 identical ilussions in a semi random location around where you cast it from.If the illusion cannot be microd and are synchronized to the main hero, there would be no way to tell which is the real one for at least a second or 2 which could be big in a fight
>>545256781yeah thats how competitive games always work fucktard
>>545256606terrible idea except for lane bullies like GT
>>545257565Except solo lanes are boiled down to the barebones fundamentals and it is boring as shit. Fucking shadow fiend syndrome russian suka, death to the solo lane.
>>545257709ja shedov findgiff me solo mid or ay fid
>>545257653>GTJust type his name, it's 9 letters
>>545252451Thats a certified normie behaviour>wtf I cant beat a boss in the first try?>easy difficulty it is>>545255627I'm still not feeling the character screen. we had a good view with a card-like apperance like the one Dota2 had a while ago. Now this is fitting for a modern fighting game not a noir setting.
>>545258042We're all in a chicken race to kill ourselves and they've all used 4chan
>>545256085m1 spawn minions that will follow you around m2 go here with auto aggro
>>545256085By fixing creep pathfinding first.>>545256212No surprise here, no other game (before Deadlock) could provide the same experience. >>545256606HHahahhahaha no and never, suck it
>>5452581694chan is reddit except you dont get banned for saying nigger
>>545258272updooted my fellow gentlesir!
>>545258272You have to go back
>>545258272t. redditor too afraid to speak their mind on reddit and sees 4chan as a dumping ground for their dogshit takes
>>545256085same way an RTS does formation commandsinstead of ADS right click to send a unit control ping and drag to decide their formation and spacing
>>545258495Far too many people are doing this shit
>>545255905I think the game genuinely needs more dispel effects because right now all you have is debuff remover. Divine Barrier (the tier 4 one), and Unstoppable which doesn't dispel but just makes you immune. IIRC BKB in dota actually dispels you too on top of the normal effects.
>>545258759>BKB in dota actually dispels you too on top of the normal effectsYes, but dota has many debuffs that are unpurgeable too.Sometimes a debuff is purged, sometimes it's not but the effects are ignored, and sometimes its not and the effects arent ignored.
>>545258714Welcome to 2011
>>545258891We are tending towards that in Deadlock too with Debuff Remover purge no longer working on effects from ultimate spells, but Divine Barrier's purge still working on them
>>545257709>Except solo lanes are boiled down to the barebones fundamentals>dislikes competitive games coming down to skillhmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>545256606All the people telling you no just suck major ass and can't handle it. I definitely think it should return and more importantly the game needs to be 5v5 instead of 6v6. It works in mobas for a reason. There is literally no advantage to this game being 6v6, it only detracts from the game especially when it's 3 lanes and no wards. This is a very big problem with the game right now, with the lack of constant objectives, wards, and how many players there are it's just too risky to navigate the map most of the time. The only vision you get is what shows up near enemy creeps or if you happen to catch an enemy camp disappear but that doesn't show where they are. Of course there are visual and audio but good players aren't gonna be popping up in the easy spots you can see, if they want to stay hidden. It's just too easy to be in a huge fight or to get into or enter unfair numbers advantage because there are too many players in the match, there is no vision outside of lane creeps, and there aren't enough objectives on the map to give players stuff to do besides clear jungle (which have a long respawn timer) or clear wave/sit near wave hoping to jump on someone.
>>545259165Nah solo lanes boiled down to instantly losing the game if the neighbouring lane lost (you will be relentlessly ganked and 10k souls behind for the rest of the match)
>>545259189they want you to fight and end the game not afk farm for 60 minutes
>>545258495Kys troon
>>545259695Still using Troon is the ultimate tourist signifierThat shit was played out 5 years ago but you don't know that because you only know about 4chan from ancient greentexts posted in your discord server
The enemy team lose because they made 1 mistake, by trying to challenge us at midboss but came a few seconds too late, failed and got wiped.Also, it's really funny how effective it is mcginnis can just throw turrets along the way to midboss to delay the enemies from being able to compete.
>>545259165It's a very stripped down sort of skill where the inevitable conclusion can be drawn before it's over and all you're doing is going through the motions.
>>545259281You are fundamentally misunderstanding the problem. If there is no visionand there are 6 players on the enemy teamand there are little to no camps on either sideand you only see 1-2 enemies visible on the mapWhat do you think you should do? Where do you think you should go? Push a tower? with how many people? What if more enemies come to defend than you have there? How are you supposed to know how many will show up? What if less enemies show up there but the rest of their team kills your other teammates who were split pushing and now they get to push your other towers while you have 3 or more trying to attack one of theirs? You are a retard. The only thing that forces fights is urn and if there is a soul imbalance it becomes much more of an unfair fight. There is nothing to do but push pull waves and sometimes fight for urn. There is nothing that helps give you some kind of awareness of where enemies are beyond lane or if they have camps up because anyone can be anywhere at any time which can potentially turn any fight into an unfair one
>>545234832sorry i dont play ching chong japslop, im a grown up man not a nintendofag
>>545259924Kys troon
I've recently started running Blood Tribute on Drifter and while it was good, it was always kinda iffy because of the life lossBut today I parried an Abrams after he charged me and it gave me a rush of power never felt before as I mauls his ass when he's meant to be at his happiest
>>545260840Blood Tribute can be good some games just for situations like that but you really need to be on point with the toggles
>>545260840blood tribute just takes a lot of skill to usereally fun item but i;m too retarded to use it properly
>>545261001>>545261103I usually offset it by just buying bullet lifesteal around the same time. It doesn't perfectly fix it, but it does enough. Tribute just gives better stats than the alternatives so it's kinda hard to pass up on now that I've started thinking about it
>>545261154Its just as op as armlet was from dota, just got to toggle well
>>545261260There's no way they don't give it a cooldown like armlet has now
>>545261376the item is not that problematic honestly, it doesn't really deserve a nerf (yet)
>>545261260I don't toggle itIt stays on until they die or I die
>>545260202Midwit narcissistIf you want to fight someone 1v1 then play a fighting game or something
>>545261376Armlet has a cd because it gives you 500 hp on activation and thus spamming it lets you tank a million damage
>>545261889And Blood Troubadour makes you immune to negative status effects when you switch it on for one second
Weird question but are they planning to make the Troubadour an actual hero or just a background VN character?I kinda want another psycho on the roster after drifter, buddy is so fun.
How's this build?
>>545261970active items are allowed to be overtuned.
Where do you bind crouch to slide? I keep hitting the windows button
>>545261970Yeah, and? You need to time it and the benefit is limited. Armlet makes it so you can just reactivate it in 0.01 seconds whenever you're about to take more than 500 damage and then you never die unless getting bursted or stunned, which is why it was given a CD.
>>545262330Seems pretty good, I might go an active over tankbuster like silence wave or decay. Don't feel the pressure to upgrade the mystic burst just cause it saves a slot
So what was the hero leak
>>545262090Probably won't be playable, noFor one it'd be weird narratively to have one character's wish in the story be "fuck over this other character specifically"They'd probably be stepping on Drifter's toes characterization wiseTheir main power is turning into a flock of crows to fly around which Mina basically already doesAnd the role they fit in the narrative doesn't really jive with additional characterization
7 losses in a row and only 1 of them felt close. Fuckin hell.
>>545263151>Their main power is turning into a flock of crows to fly around which Mina basically already doesI'm not gonna disagree but you could say the same thing about Grey Talon and Vindicta. Design wise I don't think the game is above from having character share a niche, though like I said earlier you're probably right.
>>545262989gotta wait 8 hours because the leakers are being fags
>>545264146which leak? someone on r*ddit posted new base pics, did anyone here post something else or was it that list of outdated hero names (punkgoat etc)?
>>545262394I bind dash and crouch/slide to mouse side buttons, and scroll up and down to items.
What's /dlg/'s rank?I want to know what's the average rank around here.I know there's a few oracles here.
>>545264680>>545237610
>>545264680oracle v now and games get frustratingly hard sometimes where i lose lane but win the game through macro (im old)also meeting a lot of people with newish accounts and suspiciously good movement for <100h when the rest of the lobby has ~500h+ on average
>>545251909not calling it she.
Objectively optimal build (all heros, not debatable)Gayi bind tutorial for the noobs(you)Binding Multiple Actions to One Key in DeadlockBasic MethodTo bind two actions to one key in Deadlock, you can use the following syntax in the console:Command Format: bind <key> "<action1>; <action2>"For example, if you want to bind the key "E" to two actions, you would enter:bind E "action1; action2"This will execute both actions when you press the key.The build>fleetfoot+warpstoneBound to same key, same cd>maj leap+ shadowweaveBound to same key, same cd>mystic shot>Surge of power(Imbued to whatever)>counterspell>transexual cooldownAll items have a cd, maj leap+shadowweave to go in, fleetfoot+warpstone to run away. 9.6k in each category
I think I spent too much time reading about retards here and now im afraid to queue because either my team will be retards or I will be my teams retard
>>545265712thanks bro gonna build this on gray talon and do 0 damage
>>545265983Weak mindset: I don't want to queue because of the retardsStrong mindset: I look forward to queuing because that means I can laugh at the retards
>>545264680Ass 3, mm is pure unadulterated trash and every game is decided purely on comp/how many tards are on your team. Unless you are abusing one of the broken niggers (nigfernus, wraithigga, hazigg.) You are at the mercy of what feels like Eomm.
>>545266096But if I'm the retard my only choice is to laugh at myself, and that would require introspection and a spine
>>545266042You will have 114 spirit power and 60% weapon damage and 57% attack speed, this is not debatably you will carry hard
>>545266609*142 spirit my mistake
>>545267226169.5* forgot gt level scaling
I'm going to play full heal Mcginnis
>>545265712post rank right now
>>545267434you don't need to specialize into going full heal, just putting 3 points into it makes it good and you can buy damage items while doing it.
>>545267717I'm going to play full heal Mcginnis
>>545267717early healing booster into a late tempo is fun
>>545267492I havent played since mirage release so im unranked Now show me yours
>>545264680I was arcanist 1 yesterday. I have since dropped to alch 4 with a lovely 8 match loss streak.
>>545259189I only reason why I would prefer 5vs5 over 6vs6 because you have -2 Russians, which translate that the overall cheater % is much lower in 5vs5 than it would be now.
>>545235590we literally have two eternuses
Does mcginnis heal stack?If so, is it good with 6% max health heal per sec?
>>545264680Emissary I-II fluxiates every few games.
Why do low elo shitters fixate on m1 heroes being "OP" so much when infernus is the only broken one
>>545264680phantom VI hate the new accurate ranks because the pinching near the upper 3 ranks means I get eternuses more often now who decide the whole game by which team they're on
>>545235590I watch some of those utube coaches and they seemed to suck pretty hard ngl
>>545269052lol
>>545268565>buy a coach idk why you're asking here we have almost no one at that rank or aboveis there any person in the entire world who got a coach in a video games and went pro? I refuse to believe that.
>>545268671Pretty sure it does not, I remember a while back testing it with echo shard on the training hub and it didn't seem to.
>>545269052How do you breathe without choking
>>545264680Phantom 6/Ass 1Wish the mm didn't queue me with plant based teammates
>>545267492>>545268014I am still waiting anon, where is your rank? You not peak of the bell curve, are you?
>>545269137coaching has always been a scam just for decent players to make side money by showing some retard some basic game mechanics.
>>545269137happens all the time but it's usually not paid coaching
>>545269558I'm actually below the bellcurve at Seeker I, but that's still higher than you so w/e.
>>545264680arcanist 2
>>545269137Not really but that's more for the fact that to get git there's no real cheat-code besides wasting tens of thousands of hours into the game.
Crushing Fists is such a garbage itemI wish it would make your heavy melee unparriable instead.
>>545269137I was a pro in a few games and people I've taught eventually competed with/against meBut it's also OCE so there's a lower player pool, making it more likely
>>545269316How do you sit down without bouncing on it lil parkinsons faggot
>>545270145>heavy melee unparriableThat would be aidsYamato is already broken because her ults renders her unparryable.
>>545270145Yea and this is why you're hardstuck initiate 3 instead of designing the game. Keep your retarded ideas to yourself
>>545270313you can parry her it just doesn't stuns hersame with unstoppable
>>545270287You'd know if your dick was big enough to go up your own ass. You get practice
>>545269941>higher than meLOL, whatever helps you sleep, quit with 60% w/r over 500 hrs btw
>>545270145I'd be down for a 3200 item with a decent CD that makes it so your next melee doesn't stun you when parriedThe enemy can still parry it, taking no damage and get a rest, and go again. But it doesn't just mean guaranteed death like every other parry
>>545270532>I could be eternus if i wantedpredictable reply shut the fuck up
>>545270568unstoppable :)
>>545270568sounds like a dumb knowledge check that would be pointless outside of dumping on shitters
>>545270636Twice the cost with a longer CD. I just want a one-off specialized thing
>>545264680I went from Oracle 3 down to Emissary 2 trying to learn Bebop, and now that I'm better at him I'm Emissary 6/Archon 1. My goal is to get back up to Oracle with him, but he's way different from my main Geist.
>>545270759Yes that's the point. Against the higher level players whose opinions actually matter, they'll parry it same as usual, no issues and no bitching. But it's fun and lets you do more mixups, or let you use your melee to gapclose a bit more safely once every so often
>>545270935so you want to add another mechanic that has no functional use case and exists exclusively to shit on bad players?are you a content creator or something? is smurfing too difficult?
>only high level players opinions matter!Kill yourself.
>>545270608definitely higher than seeker LOL I dont have this urge to rank high anymore, im a boomer so I've been there, done that
>>545271047>so you want fun items that enable otherwise dogshit builds because everyone parries it anywayYes. As the other person said, you can already take Unstoppable if you just want to spam melee. I want a cheaper item that gives some more melee scaling and a buffer. It's not that hard to conceptualize. You're the reason every game is absolutely neutered by dogshit devs
>>545270935>Against the higher level players whose opinions actually matterThis mindset is why every competitive multiplayer game that comes out sucks shit and dies
>>545271151>I dont have this urge to rank high anymorewhat was that you were saying earlier about "whatever helps you sleep at night?"
>>545271107High level opinions are just low level opinions they havent figured out yet
>>545271210I thought the sarcasm was obvious given that it was a direct response to a nigger talking about it being 'worthless outside of dumping on shitters', but I guess not
>>545264680Emissary from hell here.
my name is low....ELO.....GOOOOOOOOOOD
>>545271047"not dying instantly if you get parried" is a good use case i thinkif you want to melee like a madman it's a good safety net to play more aggressively even against good players
>>545271453You're replying to a schizo looking to bait because he has nothing else to whinge about
>>545271519i think you underestimate how retarded the average deadlock player is
>>545270935this item should exist but it should be 800g. single use, and makes you get more souls on melee kill
quick 2 questionsnumero uno - does leaving a single jungle denizen prevent the new ones from spawning? numero dos - if two teammates are doing a single camp, does the gold go to the one that got the finishing blow?
>>545271453I can see it adding some depth when used in combination with fleetfoot cancels but as it stands I imagine the primary interaction being >melee low level player>they parry>they don't know about your parry immunity item>you get to melee them while they're surprised you're not stunnedotherwise the situation is exactly the same as not buying it>melee >they parry>they notice you aren't stunned>situation returns to neutral and is exactly the same as if you hadn't bought the item and hadn't use meleeunless the item makes it so that the defender's parry CD gets forcibly triggered it'd be a complete nothing burgerthe idea reeks of someone who got parried and hates that they got punished. almost all parry seethe posts do
>>545264680Initiate 1Not a joke
Why does it always feel like the people chasing me down move way faster than me? I buy the stamina and the move speed usually too.
>>545272343every gun carry has either one or both of fleetfoot and burstfireor you got memed by a movement player
>wake up to xera stream on autoplay>he's shitting on Eido and Metro for being pussy faggot crybabys whining about the patchHe might be... /ourguy/
>>545271950>take melee build>randomly throw melees in moshpits where people have to pay more attention to parry>get free melee aoes if they don't>delay them in the fight for a second if they don't + don't get punished>be Abrams/anyone who now has a new reason to buy Melee Charge>use melees to gapclose in scenarios where you struggle to catch up>they can't punish the engage>it's now a defacto melee toolOther use-cases>lets you melee in mid. They can still block the attack so you don't get rejuv, but at the very least you aren't cucked into parrying exclusively until you hear a bunch of retards get stunned>lets you spam melee lights in between attacks more safely>just give it good stats so even without the passive it's still mostly viableAt the end of the day, it enables a build. Your perfect negative scenarios for it aren't the only reality. People fuck up. This lets you encourage fuckupsUltimately, your argument is the equivalent to buying Debuff Remover or Counterspell. Bad/new players don't know what to do to stop things, good players do them on instinct. That doesn't mean that mechanic is now unnecessary
>>545271819>numero uno - does leaving a single jungle denizen prevent the new ones from spawning?Yeah, you can leave a tiny fucker in the mixed camps on enemy side if you want to be a little shit>numero dos - if two teammates are doing a single camp, does the gold go to the one that got the finishing blow?i believe it's split 50/50 if you both did damage to it. So youd both need to hit all the creeps in the camp to split all of them
>>545272590defacto mobility tool*
How about this: Reduce the recovery on whiffed heavy melee
Anyone who wants melee better than it already is now, is just admiting to being a pisslow retard. Go play a fighting game. Abrams and Calico are already destroying lobbies at all ranks but because you're too retarded to not get parried you want it to be even stronger. .t 300 games on Calico
Melee is fine
>>545272997No one asked. You aren't even clicking your melee. You're just clicking a dashing ability that happens to have a melee component when half your damage comes from retarded bombsAbrams is the only character who actually uses their melee and that's only after stuns so it's guaranteed. Might as well call Haze a melee character because they get it free off a stun. Even Billy players just use their "melees" to keep Wrecked up because no one's going to let them spam melees for hp, because if they get heavied once, they lose 5x the hp they gained in the past 10 seconds
>>545264680Eternus 1 after the latest rank shifting. Not sure how I got there. I can't aim.
>>545272830this is one that seems obvious>defender can react to attacker with a parry>attacker can leverage defender's reactions by whiffing>defender recovers from their parry attempt before attacker recovers from their baitit's fucked up. I don't think it's a big deal if the EV on melee favors the defender so long as the melee player has a way to interact, but they don't. whiffing to bait is mostly fake
>>545264680ass 3won like 16 games (and only lost 4) since i ranked up from ass 2 to 3 and i still won't get in ass 4
9 loss streak boys. 9 losses. This fucking game man.
>>545273218>he doesn't know about spirit siphon
This is a mobility shooter where you can just wall hop away from anything and instantly dash after a missed parry. Stop bitching whenever you see so much as 1% melee damage added to something
>>545273218You've never played her if you actually believe that. Yes I build 3 melee items just so I can press 2 and run away. Genius level player here. How am I procing crushing blow again?
Melee is fine but I want this 6400 item to make sense. Crushing Fists is literally garbage, even Phantom Strike is better if you want to melee
No way somebody building lifestrike and crushing fists on Calico is trying to call people shitters lmao
>>545273448>yes I built 3 melee items>on CalicoSo you're fucking dogshit lolYou're talking about melee to people who want melee improved and think I haven't played the most OP character that has a melee ability in their kit
>off timer silent replies >retarded opinions>has extended melties when called out for said retarded opinionsI'm nooticing
>3 posts supporting melee in under a minute>POST TIMERS NOTICING XDAll you've done is show that you're a disingenuous nigger
>>545273523>>545273597>NOOOO IF YOU ACTUALLY USE MELEE ITEMS THEY WON'T BUFF THEM SO I CAN CLIMB OUT OF SEEKER 2 Shut up niggers. I build life strike snatch and crushing if I need to then Phantom Strike too. Games don't usually last that long because I'm too busy fistraping everyone in sight. How about you trashcans stop seething because you got parried after throwing 4 heavies in a row.
>>545273972Retard if you aren't getting punished for playing your hero the wrong way and wasting 10k+ souls, you are playing against shitters
>>545273972You ever thought about not being a colossal tranny for once in your life
The only time I feel useful in games is when I accidentally lead the enemy into my team while I'm trying not to feed
They should actually have more skills that proc melee items.
>>545261769I accept your concession to the argument
They should just remove parry so the falseflagging "Calico player" ropes
>>545272557>spent 100 games rushing backstab on drifter Not our guy
>>545274098>>545274048>melee items are le BAD on calico>literally every top build tells you to build them?
>Your teammates for the game my good sir!Billy was pretty good, but Geist was playing behind talon, whom I might point out did 0 objective damage so you can infer how far that was.
>don’t build melee on calico??????? am I speaking to like some top 30 players with secret knowledge or something I thought building melee spirit snatch on her, and maybe melee lifesteal, was literally hard set.
>>545270145>Retard is only looking at the item based on the stun effect and not all of the other great bonuses
>>545274048>Y..you're a shitterYea people here call anything that isn't eternus bad, but I'm content playing with other employed individuals in my phantom lobbies. Seethe more >>545274098I actually don't build Colossus usually juggernaut if I need another 6400 green
I don't even play Calico, I'm Viscous melee enjoyer.
>>545272997I dont want it to be better but I would like a little more depth than 1 button for attack and 1 button for parry
>>545274371Snatch is mandatory, yes. Not fucking Lifesteal and especially not Crushing Fists which he was bragging about proccing lmao>>545274371Name a single build not written by some seeker Russian that says to build Crushing Fists
>>545274349Assuming you mean builds made by competent players. The two melee items you will see are: Melee Lifesteal (800 souls) and Spirit Snatch (3200 souls, upgraded from Spirit Strike). If you mean the "top" builds in the guide viewer put there because of all the shitters using them? Nice self report
>>545274367Forgot image.
>>545274371That nigger is saying he is playing around heavy melees with lifestrike and crushing fists. On Calico. The hero with no stun or setup for heavy melees. He apparently is not getting parried while doing this. But he is not playing with/against shitters, no no.
>he pulled out his phone after being called outholy shit lol
>>545274506Oh okay, yeah her 2 doesn’t even count as a heavy melee, crushing fists is a gimmick item on her.>>545274452>counts as heavy melee>has chargesThey really need to do this again, it’s fun.
you can't build crushing fists on the character with a guaranteed light melee on their 3s~5s cd cooldown gap closer/disengage because...you just CAN'T okay you are LITERALLY throwing STOP FARMING MY FUCKING 0/8/2 DRIFTER WITH YOUR NIGGRESS BBC PLEAAAAASE I'M GONNA SHIT MY DIAPEEEER
Psst don't tell /dlg/ they can't handle it..
>>545274349every top build on EVERY SINGLE HERO is fucking dogshit
>>545274764>ah yes my Crushing Fists light melee proc
>>545274764I guess if you're after the +20% melee damage but it's an 8k item, why would you not just build spirit damage? You’re not gonna make use of its passives more than like twice a match.
Parry should be>Steal 1 stamina>Reflect all melee damage>Stun for 1 second>Disable melee for 5 seconds>Empty attackers clipRather than you instantly dying because youre hit with the most powerful nonchanneled disable in the game and taking extra damage. You can't have a mechanic that results in instant loss whenever you mess up and expect it to have depth or verisimilitude. Otherwise you will never have a serious melee build on a hero that can't bypass the parry in the first place.
>>545274840>124 matches
>>545274764You need to hit them 6 times with your claw attack before you can proc it. You'd literally do more damage just standing next to them with torment pulse active and 3.2k souls spent on any other item
>>545274840>backstabber and berserkerCompletely deranged
>>545274435>Yea people here call anything that isn't eternus bad, but I'm content playing with other employed individuals in my phantom lobbies. Seethe moreGuess I'm not bad :)>phantom lobbiesWhy even act like you aren't a shitter if you're just going to admit it? You were literally emissary a few weeks ago
>>545275208Backstabber isn’t bad on her desu. Berserker is wtf though.
What the fuck are you guys talking about?
>>545275076All me btw >>545275208Backstabber is just broken in general it's a good buy on her for chasing, but in lane you can trigger it just by using your 2 or shooting them when they go shop or dodge
>>545275368doin doin ya mom
>>545264680Stuck in Phantom 3, getting chinese players that don't understand how to play. Literally see our fat Haze go solo against a Mo and Krill with his entire team
>>545275368How to make fun items that aren't overpowered that encourage buildsAnd also how to be a complete schizophrenic contrarian picking a fight with literally everything and then lying about your credentials, followed by passive aggression and the inevitable 'actually I was pretending to be retarded and you fell for it'
>>545275368About Crushing Fists being a bad item.
>>545275368I'm seething about being bad at melee. I'm trans btw.
>>545274764Are you going to spend 25 seconds hitting every leaping slash on a single target for the eternal reward of 0.5 seconds stun? Just buy knockdown if you want a shitty stun
>building a pure melee build on the hero with a 9 second cooldown 220 damage + 3.2x spirit nukeAbsolutely deranged.
>>545274764>spirit burn, EE, boundless, transCD and eshift have higher WR and usage than crushing fists for calico on pretty much every relevant rank>crushing fists is so shit that it has less than 5 games in eternus last monthnooticing
>>545276103Don't forget her impressive base of 2 dmg
why did they have to butcher melee like a slaughtered goat again?
>>545276730It was being abused on multiple heroes, and Billy was being designed and tested in the secret build at the same time this was happening
>>545276730retarded seekers like >>545274764 keep bullying other retarded seekersalso abrams got melee nerfed on his own several times (he's the only hero that can actually use melee effectively outside abilities that count as melee)
>>545276152I would honestly not even go crushing fists on billy even though he can apply 6 charges with his buffed 1, it's just a bad item. Nobody wants a 0.5 second stun that's applied essentially at random but only when you've been fighting for several seconds, and other than that you're paying 4.8k for 10% melee damage and a very slow to apply bullet shred that at best is equivalent to hunters aura (after you already half killed them no less) and some shitty reload. Crushing should take 2 charges to stun (1 heavy) and then go on cooldown, it's still a worse disable than knockdown.
>>545269941No offense bro but seeker 1 has no business shitting on meme build. You could buy randomly and climb out of that rank
>>545276947Can't remember exactly how long ago it was, but there was a patch where Abrams had his melee attack speed nerfed (and only him). Similar to how Ivy and Yamato still have non-nominal base melee damage
if crushing fists had the -% bullet res be the main draw instead of the stoon it'd be pretty nice desu
>>545275060the problem is that for some fucking reason people don't realize that being in close range to a melee build or character inherently results in an ADVANTAGE for said character and instead they prefer to bitch about melee itself being overpowered when parry is such an autowin it's not even funny. It's like people complaining about Victor being op and braindead when the counterplay is to literally just kite the fucker. You'd think Icefrog would know this since he made AXE of all things but apparently not.In order for melee to even start applying damage you need to>close the gap between you and the enemy>fake your attacks for the enemy to miss their parry>build enough resistance and mobility so that the enemy doesn't just melt you or run away the second you close the gap>know who to engage and when because if you mess up even once or choose a target that knows how to parry you WILL diemeanwhile m1 characters just need to shoot your ass down while tracking, sometimes not even that in the case of characters like warden.
>>545274371it's shitlows, pay them no mind. Spirit Snatch is one of the best items in the game now and it's an SSS tier ability on calico since her melee ability has such a large AoE range
>>545277028no offense bro but a seeker player would probably beat you in lane if you built mystic shot on paige
>>545276856>modify and entire gameplay mechanic because it doesn't fit the new hot hero you're makingi fucking hate to see it holy shit
>>545277661"building melee" doesn't means "buying snatch"it means buying every melee itemspirit strike/snatch is a really good item on its own even on some heroes that can't guaranteed a melee hit
>Melee Calico mindbreaks /DLG/Guess I know what to bring to the next in house
>you can charge a heavy melee during an air dash to do a forwards launching divekick>parry time reduced by debuff res again>crushing fists bullet res debuff raised to +5% per stack, now only requires 5 per stunhire me valve
>>545277914Thats not that bad at all thobeit, paige is op and mystic shot is op
>>545278625please no I hate her.
Maybe if you would stun for 0.5s on EVERY melee hit it would make more sense.But having to stack it, just so you can do a 0.5s stun which is not even enough for 1 heavy melee is stupid.
I said it the other day and I'll say it again. Landing a heavy melee reduces their fire rate for a bitConcuss that faggot and make him fight on your terms like a braindamaged terrorist
>>545278943Sorry bro I came to PUNCH
>>545278695>slowing bullets now builds into crushing fists too>lifestrike, spirit snatch and crushing fists now build into the first 16k item, Patron's Gloves, which makes you immune to parries and gives back old HMC, stuns + curses target and breaks one of their items at random on heavy melee hit (is rendered unusable and they can't build anything in that flex slot anymore), you steal 100 souls per melee as well
>>545277519Counter is just a bad design when everyone wants melee characters to exist. Melee damage should be a completely separate stat from gun or spirit (aside from a few characters designed as hybrid or meme builds, like paige), parry should only be a way to buy time against melee characters or gain advantage in a duel instead of instantly losing the fight (in a gunfight movement and more difficult aim is used to measure the victor), characters should even have unique melee weapons and more skills that scale with melee. Melee items should also be designed in a way where you don't just stack every on hit effect, you could have directional inputs on melee and different attack moves and melee items could modify dash strikes, light melee, aerial melee, charge attacks, running melee, sweeping moves, throws etc (and all characters don't necessarily have all kinds of moves, billy has more melee attacks than dynamo for instance). You could do so much with melee but it's a minor mechanic instead.
>>545278819>thobeitevershut the fuck up tranny
>Deadlock be the first modern shooter to have an in depth melee system>most games have a quick melee or swap to knife and stab>Deadlock has light melee, heavy melee for more damage or mobility and parry>some how this game is the only one that people cry about it not having enough "depth"Genuinely don't get it. It's a TPS moba not a melee brawl similator. Already having options + abilities that scale off melee is more complex than most games. Adding more to this system takes away from the core gameplay itself
>>545279353I accept your concession
Why can't you parry bullets to stun someone who is shooting you?
>>545279557great, now accept that YWNBAW
>>545279557>>545279714Ladies don't fight. You're both beautiful women(male) and both pass
>>545279451Im a mountain blade Chad, directional strikes and parrys or bust
>>545279237>you could have directional inputs on melee and different attack moves and melee items could modify dash strikes, light melee, aerial melee, charge attacks, running melee, sweeping moves, throws etcbruh i get that would be sick as fuck but you're basically describing a completely different game at that point, i don't wanna do juggle combos and sweat my ass off in every interaction in a game where everyone has guns and every mistake means the enemy scales harder
>>545279863The game already showcases true neutral fighting with melee. It doesn't need layers of fighting game mechanics stacked on top. I never played Mount & Blade only For Honor and I think that games centered around these ideas are good, but they don't have a place as the front and forward playstyle of Deadlock.
>>545279451>In depth melee systemYou can press a button to melee someone like in halo and hold a button to do the same thing harder, and there's a parry. Then there are three items which apply on-hit effects to your melee and abilities which work like every other ability but uses a number from your character sheet. The miniscule inclusion of parry does a lot to make melee more fun but it's also limiting the game. And deadlock is not exactly a shooting game, by neglecting melee you're leaving the sacred trinity of range, magic, melee incomplete. DotA is neck deep in melee heroes, it's not unreasonable to want melee to be more than a red-headed stepchild mechanic.
>>545280253>dota is neck deep in meleeDota has 0 melee exclusive items and (3?) Items that work better on melee heros than ranged, being Maelstrom upgrades, Abyssal Blade and Manta style. Dota is a pure moba there's no melee button you're just right clicking. It's not comparable at all. The actual melee equivalent to dota heros in Deadlock would be someone with a shotgun, not someone who uses a side mechanic as their main source of damage.
Make an item that lets you stun gun charters with parry. Let them play the same mindgames as melee, trying to bait parry by shooting at your feet or walls, whoops you got parried, time to die I guess.
Business idea: battlefury in deadlock
>>545279851IF I were to troon I would not pass because im not a victim of child abuseIF I were to troon it would be after my steroid abuse from being a mid teir cagefighter destroyed my natural ability to regulate hormones, as god intended trannies to be
imagine if we got proper melee heroes with a melee system like in M&BWB.
>>545280647It has the reverse actually. Dragon Lance and Hurricane Pike. While they can be used on a melee hero, those items do not exist to provide meaningful stats to any.
>>54528099imagine if we got ivy in m&bwb
>>545280079I'm not saying juggle moves and shit, just imagine if abrams had aside from light and heavy melee also could attack while dashing, goomba stomp enemies with downwards dash like m bison, and had a grab that just flung the enemy over his shoulder like singed from lol. You could add 10 new different melee items that each altered/triggered from one kind of attack so builds had some depth. I don't think it would be sweaty at all. The issue is the amount of animations they would have to add and the fact that the game is now pretty late in development.
>>545280990Imagine if lash could powerbomb people
>>545279237Directional inputs on items themselves wouldn't work but you could totally make a character that does different things depending on what input you load before hitting the button like a proper fighting game. The problem is valve is so abhorrent at the idea of melee being a proper playstyle and guns themsleves being anything but the blandest, safest shit that you can't have anything reesembling what you're described currently. People have been begging for an invoker type character but instead we get yet another bullet passive character with mina or braindead area denial statchecker like with victor.Counter isn't bad imo it's just way too heavily favoured on the defender since it was made to defend against the old melee and they never nerfed it to match the new, gutted one. Instead the buffed it by making it so you can't ignore it with debuff resistance.
More active slots when?
>>545279451It's because melee hasn't been a viable playstyle in months. As it stands it's just another gimmick to add to your playstyle, nothing more.
>>545281875>debuff resistIdk why but I never get my second punch on Abrams. I parry go for 2 and get parries. Doe he have some sort of passive stun resist
>>545281961Preferably never
>>545281961I think when they went from 16>12 slots they should have went from 4 actives to 2
>>545282115
animina!!!
>>545281713https://litter.catbox.moe/5735j71q9rhgjf8m.mp4This is all you're gonna get
>>545282115>>545282129Retards>>545281961Better be soon I want to 6 slot Knockdown, Vortex, Rescue Beam Divine Barrier, Curse, and Refresher then ruin M1iggers lives
>>545282302kek i forgot about that
>>545281875I meant passively apply to directional inputs, like how now hold Q is heavy melee, you could have that hold Q is stationary heavy (downwards slam) and hold Q+W is charge, or Q+S is AoE sweep attack. Then you add item dragons fury which makes your sweep attacks passively apply DoT and mystic eye-poke which causes Q+neutral to apply blind, on top of melee charge now applying only on Q+W. Then there are other melee moves on conditionals like while midair or charging for example.
>>545282302someone draw lash slamming bebop neck deep in a pile of shit
>>545282209>>5452824196 actives is too many
>>545282919For retards who come from league maybe. In dota I have 7-9 actives by the end of any game going past 45m
>>545283065How do you get 9 actives in dota? What foul sorcery is this?
>>545281525really the only issue i see with your idea is that this remains a MOBA, dev time aside it would be fairly difficult to implement in depth melee for the 50-60ish characters they're likely to have on launch, on top of inevitable design issues with having them fit together with the items, and be balanced enough to make sense as an alternative to gun and spirit. yes i am aware it would be fucking awesome, I would personally make a beat'em up MOBA had i infinite time on this earth because it just sounds rightgibb genji/iron fist/spiderman/lee sin expy pls
>>545274421its bonuses beyond the stun are hot garbage mate, its not worth the upgrade cost at all
>>545283065And? Maybe they should add walljumping to Dota too because apparently Dota and Deadlock are exactly the same
>>5452831496 active slots + neutral and backpack shit like Refresher orb BKB and wards when you don't need them
>>545255905Kamahl, the mind mage>Illusionary shootergo invisible, and create an AI that follows your next ping command, including attacking and using abilities on specific heroes by pinging them. The illusion deals 100% of your damage and item damage, and can parry/parkour. has charges>Illusionary scatterFires a shotgun spread of projectiles, for each projectile that strikes terrain, create a dummy illusion that wanders aimlessly and explodes on contact. only 1 illusion can be spawned per 5m. When your illusion uses this, it gives you bonus damage for each pellet. When you use it, it increases the damage taken by your illusions.>Illusionary MovementTeleport forward, through walls, creating an illusion behind you for each surface you pass through when you do. Illusions deal only procs on hit, but have 100% health>The ultimate illusionBecome a copy of an enemy hero in appearance, and they become a copy of you in appearance, they take friendly fire from M1. Illusions you create with illusionary shooter has their non-ultimate abilities.
>>545283318>walljumping onto hoodwink before beating her into a bloody pulpsounds good to me desu
>>545283443>become a copy of haze>shoot a wall>theres a dozen hazes>enemy kills haze thinking it's an illusionkino idea, but will probably be overpowered/annoying dogshit and technically not work somehow
>>545283318monkey king has treejumpcause why the fuck not, fucking garbage overpowered league of legends ass hero that solely exists to pander to the chinese
>be sinclair>doing basic bitch magic bolt>have exposure, soulfire, mystic reverb, etc>shiv is tanky as hell>hit shiv with assistant, bunny him, then nail him with max range bolts>one shots himholy shit, what the fuck? I dont think I've ever had 100-0 with reverb like that. 30+% plus damage amp is nuts ontop of exposure
>>545283853No idea who that is, new trendy musician I presume?
>>545283149Normally I just buy them from the store but sometimes your teammates can give them to you or you can find them from the jungle creeps
>>545283853How has Victor heard of Tally Hall if he's been alive for like a year at most?
>>545284154
>>545283853at first I was in category three, but then you made this chart, now I'm category two
>>545282291Stealing my image off the /vrg/ thread how dare you. Now people will know I post here too
>>545283853I'm literally in my 30s and never heard of them. Did they ever play on the radio none of the songs look even remotely familiar, and that's from someone who grew up having to listen to classic rock, modern rock, metal and country pretty much constantly.
>>545284269>2007yeah new musicians. *sips coffee*
How do you call out for someone to defend a lane? Sometimes a click on the causes the "Heading to" callout instead.
>>545284683Hirez needs to release their patent for the vgs system
>>545284683Turn your mic on and scream that Floyd is doing fent in York
>>545284767What is that supposed to mean? I don't know who Hirez is.
>>545284683spam click it or right click.
>>545284485We love /dlg/!
>>545284767There's no way they have a patent on that, isn't it just the zxc radio from goldsrc counterstrike?
>>545282291>>545284485Is there more to do in that game other than pretend sex with pedophiles
>>545282291>>545284485cute
>>545285051I like to think of it as vr gmod. Hell someone just got a full old arcade racing game to work properly in vrchat. Play games with friends. Explore worlds. Ect ect. Exploring worlds might sound boring but I promise its different when you have a good hmd with good resolution and its right in front of your face instead of a flat screen
>>545282291>>545284485Looks awful. Please don't turn this into the Rimworld general with anime brainrot.
>>545285362Nta but rimworld looks like shit I can't imagine anime mods would be anything but an improvement.
>>545285362>there are more then two of us in the thread*sweats*
>>545285464Need to see if I can mod some ascii titties into Dwarf Fortress
>>545285464Open the catalog and see for yourself. I actually like Rimworld's style (although I do always use a bunch mods for better quality textures, like Clean Textures and Sir Van's stuff), so the ill-fitting anime faces look awful to me.>>545285637Might actually look good since anime faces translate well to pixel art.
>>545285914I believe you don't worry. I didn't buy Rimworld off looks alone. There just hasn't been a good autism simulator that really caught my eye outside of Lobocorp. >>545285637I remember using an anime portrait in underrail because all the default icons were so disgusting to look at. Nigger needs to hire an artist because the game is crazy immersive but looks like shit.
The loss streak is broken thank fuck. Best everything in the match except assists too. I'm now a true cultist convert having used it the past few matches for the first time.
>>5452853621. Its not that deep 2. Dont worry anon, I tend to keep my other general posts separate. Im just laughing someone still took it and posted it here. Its was just for Halloween
>>545277914.... and other things seekers believe
>another lobby with 11 russians
>>545283318they added deadlock's parry with kez so shut the fuck up and don't give them any ideas
>>545286560Feels bad for the 1 normal person who has to play with you
>>545286603>KezWhy is he literally Yasuo?
>>545286451t. alch I
>>545286560Don't you mean 12?
>>545286273>enemy drifter farming the 1-2-3 tier jungle creep gang, working on the big red one while standing still holding m1 like its his 9-5 job and he fell asleep in his cubicle>sneak up behind him>sacrifice the object of his fruitless labor>do 6 backflips and run away
>>545284042Monkey king was a long rumoured new hero before dota 2 even existed mate.Tree jump is cool too, dunno how op he actually is atm though
>>545286132>I didn't buy Rimworld off looks alone. There just hasn't been a good autism simulator that really caught my eye outside of Lobocorp.Speaking of both of those games, there is a game in early development that's like a mix of them. Containcorp. It has a demo, so suggest you check it out.
>>545284767My muscle memory would do me wonders >>545284969Nah it does have trademark and copywrite protections though "we dont believe in patents" -vp of hirez I likenit better than the cs version due to just my muscle memory and ease of use
Any of the characters with more forgiving guns, like shotguns, work as gun builds? I'm an aimlet that wants to feel the point and click adventure high.
>>545286716No. Region locking does not work as intended.
>>545287075Okay, Ivan.
>>545274349... and other things seekers believe
Looking at Infernus builds for the first time since I can't aim for shit, am I an idiot or should these not have tesla? Shouldn't they skip it for ricochet, to apply his burn and toxic bullets?
>>545287439Most inferni don't even build toxic bullets because he's already getting cucked hard by debuff remover
>>545287273NTA, but I watch Midlock and his matches almost always have Russians.
>>545287439Capacitor is one of the best items in the game. Tesla scales off spirit which you build anyway. You're almost certainly getting more damage off it than ricochet throughout a whole game.
>>545287070Not as well, but ive had decent success with hybrid gun builds with pocket, making use of the extra non direxc damage portions of his abilities and m&kdefensive bruiser with gun damage and lock downIs it better? Not that I can see, but it worked. Im like mid emmisary so not high rank
trilane.
So why is Infernus 3 allowed to be hell on earth but Shiv 1 is just for rage mid-late?
>buying greens that aren't emblem on minalol, lmao.
>>545288309>Shiv 1 is just for rage mid-lateyou can effectively build yourself around the knives and MELT people forcing them to get debuff remover or unstoppable unless they just wanna die to infernus' 3 but a hundred times worse by lategameit's suboptimal and very easily counterpickable (plus you'll be out of the fight for a good while if you miss your shots) but imma be real knifepoint shiv is the funnest way to play him by far. landing just enough knives for someone to hopelessly melt away or even better bouncing them from one enemy to another to land the killing blow feels like little else in this game
>go against bleed shiv as dynamo>fuck it, witchmail>blackhole has a sub 60 second cooldown now
>>545264680I've disabled rank showcase long time ago>>545265469Just say he >>545289049Infernus can eaily reapply burn and debuff remover wont do shit
>eternus mo player that buys tankbuster mo and krill players will never beat the allegations
>>545288667If you dont get stam mastery on mina you are a movelet
>green only build on bebop for the memes >end game 1v4ing or more constantly >nobody respected the bomb till it was too late because "le no purple" >literally was placing it on cool down all game Why is pure green so fun
>>545282291>>545284485Fuck off vrtroons
alright yoshi being put into a euro lobby 3/4 games isnt funny. these fuckers are just straight terrible and are way fucking whinier on the mic
>>545289528Uhh askshully the blackhole has the highest cooldown in the game so the flat 4s from a witchmail proc is mathematically the worst on this ability
>>545290387That's crazy, did he at least have cold front or mystic shot or something that can actually scale that much damage to proc it?
>>545291264no, it didnt proc a single time
>>545291313Hahaha. Don't think I've seen it before in a pub but I'll be sure to grill them if I see it
>>545290387all i'm hearing is "eternus is achievable"
>>545291554anything is possible with the power of mo and krill I suppose
>>545288243What’s your hybrid pocket build? I only see spirit/green and glocket.
>play dynamo>use heal>need to climb up ledge or jump>turn off healthis ability is so dogshit until lvl 3, and even then it's just a sprint with meager healing, they need to replace it with something else. Maybe the ability to catch mouse 1 bullets for X seconds then shoot em back.
>>545291947its so funny that dynamo can never be good because of his ability to win games off a single ult
>>545287439ricochet is nice but capacitor is stronger.
>>545289528I went witchmail mina during the inhouse and my dash CD was nonexistant. Genuinely good item on Mina if ahead+being focused.
>>545291947Make it a passive that summons creeps when they are killed nearby and the 3 let's him mark who they target.
Holy shit the game is night and day when you learn how to optimise farm. Consistently top farm now, usually by at least 15k.
>boho and venator nextI know what venator does but what is boho's deal?
>>545293197hopefully techies
>>545293197Witch Doctor
>>545291947make the ability a 3s channel and make the heal a buff with a 2s lifetime
>>545293197He goes >bohodobohohohobobado>hobahabo>hoobaho>hoho
>>545293197witch doctor cask + warlock bonds + morgana ult
>>545293197>>545293959unless they changed her that is
>>545293443>>545292642>>545292083New Skill - Dynamo's UnderstandmentIn Dynamo's words - "Only a fool uses a gun when he can use science"Using the power of science, Dynamo forces all guns in an area to unload and increases the next reload time by 100%, and add 4 seconds to all cooldowns. >SingularityWhen used inside of Doorman's ult, singularity emanates from Dynamo's previous position.Lash now instantly dies if he slams into a singularity, there is no body, also cuts off his death yell half way through.
>>545293387So spirit/disruption/support hybrid is what I'm getting from his page?>>545293959Yeah I never played dota so this means nothing, my moba experience is like 50 hours of smite, 15 of HotS and LoL, and 3 of I think it was called paragon? Dota was intimidating because it had the rep of being the most tryhard and complicated one.
>>545294273Maledict is a rapist class ability, warlock bonds are overpowered, and I dont know who morgana is, but she sounds sexy. so a sexy powerful rapist woman
>>545294273Its a gun carry
>Build actives and support items>Shut down the strongest enemy player>Win more oftenWhy aren't more people doing this, why does everyone want to be the carry?
>>545294180>Lash now instantly dies if he slams into a singularity, there is no body, also cuts off his death yell half way through.This actually needs added
>guy never connects so my match gets kicked out at the lobby>game puts me into high priority queue and gives me a match immediately>it's initiate>I get 10 out of the 11 kills my entire team gets>as Moman...
>>545295547did you rat to win or was it unsalvageable?
>>545295508Honest critique. Active items are nice but all support builds feel so samey because of them. I like support playtime but if I run it on like, ivy. It feels the same as if I run it on Paige.
>>545295632Initiate and Seeker games are legitimately uncarriable, we lost bad
>>545254772>and making the gigantic rim not shootable is just a bad solution to a dumb designYou already have worse with Mina, the umbrella can't be shot at, it just goes through, making headshooting a Mina showing you her back a fucking guessing game since you can't see her head.
>>545295721I honestly agree, though I like Paige a lot as her abilities are very supportive in nature too but by nature of the game I think playing supportive will be destined to feel very similar across characters because it's more active item focused.
>>545295904>making headshooting a Mina showing you her back a fucking guessing game since you can't see her head.really nigga?
>>545264680Ass 6.
>>545282291>>545284485Real cute. You did well!
>>545264680Arcanist 6, was Emissary 4 but playing with my friends put us into 'high skill range parties' which means while I have two trios that average Alch 3, the enemy team has a 4 stack with two Oracles and a Duo with an Archon most the time so have been on a pretty massive losing streak - like sub 20% win rate over 50-ish games.
>>545295982? All roles are active item focused, they are op because they are tuned higher to compensate the risk of misuse. you should run 4 always if you can handle it
>shiv player compliments our holliday on being cutewhy do people do this?
your daily dose of bullshit, 7 heroes is just ludicrous
>>545297279horny+lonely
>>545296849I believe you're misunderstanding the core point I'm trying to make and while I likely have not worded it the best I still believe what I'm trying to say is still clear enough to understand.
>>545296049I'm talking to someone complaining about a hat, something a head is usually in the center of no matter from which angle you're looking at it. With this premise, yes, Mina's umbrella is way worse than what he's complaining about.
>wraith, inferniggus, geist, doorman, paige, victor enemy team>they waste rejuv two times before finally ending55 minute match my ass
>>545297984She wouldn't say this, since she wants to be CORPSE'd
I hope they add more variance to creeps, not super creeps but I like the cannon in Dota and how the ranged one is a bit more different. Heal creep is cool but I want more. I feel like the only difference the melee creep has in Deadlock is cucking you out of tower parries.
>>545296849cores can use support actives effectively but supports cannot use core actives effectively
>>545284154You don't like how I walkYou don't like how I talkYou don't like how my face disintegrates into chalk
How is Vyper these days? Her new daggers feel a lot better.
>>545298160Give an example because blood tribute is op on dynamo
>>545298449don't be a fag, there are always exceptions like that
>>545284154Not really. I guess 2011 wasn't that far ago in the grand scheme of things. They got a bit of a resurgence when the trollface was revived for a bit.
>>545297541not really if their focus has moved to bulking up the roster
>>545298251https://gamebanana.com/mods/627228 surprised you aren't using this.
>>545298251The new dagger was a nerf and the fundamental issue of sliding being difficult to use is unchanged
>>5452975417 heroes does sound insane unless they've been on the backburner for awhile. I can see 3-4 being more realistic alongside the model updates for warden/talon/yamato.
>>545298251Bad. But not as bad as drifter which is why you stomped
>>5452975417 isn't that insane, considering that we got 6 heroes lastbig update and we (probably) were supposed to get venator alongside themplus last update was way more than the 6 heroes (mainly the new menu and new map art pass but it had a lot of other stuff as well)comparatively we'll be getting (from what we know) just a relatively simple new mode that uses the existing map, redesigns for the bases (instead of the entire map) and heroes
>>545298678Well before boho and Venetater we had trapper and slork and that fancy looking guy with the suit
>>545298251finally over the murderhobo I see
>>545299167am i a joke to you
>>545299167Raven i think he was called
>>545299089they probably just on-boarded new employees and they all know how to make heroes better and quicker now after they learned from the last batch.
>>545299263>clockwerk cosplayer hero
>>545299089also we got 7 remodels that update too (ivy, lash, vindicta, wraith, geist, pocket and haze) and all heroes got updated ability iconsplus there's also boho which seemed mostly done like venator so that's even less worknot saying that it's 100% gonna happen, just that it's not very unrealistic
>>545299089they try out a lot of hero concepts from the forums, there's been like 15 different heroes that they tried out but abandoned after they decided the concept didn't work
>>545298835If he did worse than I did that game it'd be sad.
>shit games as Dynamo>picture perfect Lash gamesSo I must suffer with the fatty to get good Lash games where nobody tries to counter me go it.
>>545299686I think he was referring to the hero
>>545300156yes but going a troll build on top doesn't help win.
morphine administered
>>545299828>use to one trick Geist>absolute fucking hell on earth everygame>stop one tricking Geist>now I win almost every Geist game when I do get herit really dobelikethat
>>545300214when victor shocks himself
>>545256718>why? Stuffing the game with more mechanics doesnt make the game betterFuther proof League/OW players are lmb drooling retards
>>545300431they're right thoughthe most complex thing in the universe is noise
>>545264680Oracle 6/P1 depending on how lucky I get. I want to keep improving and make Eternus one day, but not sure what the most time efficient way to go about that would be.
Despite me and Mirage, we won.
>Warden, Viscous, & Bebop have new models in production / have new models completed. Boho / Venator are ready to release with us getting 4 to 7 heroes releasing this coming major update.WHY THE FUCK ISNT IT DECEMBER YET
>>545301018these things take time
>>545299686>15/3Drifter is like weighted clothing
Valve should be bullied into making singleplayer games and singleplayer games alone.
>>545300816>global tp and gun build>0 obj dmgBased mirage trying to keep the winrate down
>>545301297Well they are actually making Half Life 3
>>545301297but multiplayer games are the highest possible form of art in the universe
Are there ANY good public builds for mirage besides lightbringers?
>>545301649>two more weeks
>Come back to the game after a break>Feel absolutely useless on KelvinWhat the fuck changed
>>545301981Not enough that you should feel useless
>>545301649They have been actually making it for 18 years now.
>>545301858Public? No, they are being saved for the next TI
>>545301981absolutely enough that you should feel uselessthis post brought to you by buff kelvin gang
>>545301858Search "crackshot" for something like "0% WR Crackshot Mirage"The order is a bit wrong since the maker glazes tf outta Crippling but buries it at the bottom. Basically, it should be your second 6k after Overflow. Its been a couple of weeks since I've played my dude Mirage, though. He's just exceedingly mediocre right now. Low pick rate and low win rate.
>>545302324Well I'm going to pick him to sandbag the inhouses depending on who's in the lobby.
>>545302485Mirage is cool and fun to play, have fun!
>>545302053No they haven't They were actually making it for like a little bit and then they stoppedThen they actually made Half Life AlyxNow they're actually making 3 again
I just had a brain blast. Am I supposed to he spamming scarabs on the creeps each wave? 4 scarabs for for troopers, steals like half their hp so you can actually clear them?
>>545301018the real question is how is yamato still not getting a new model
>>545302780Uhhhh bro?
>>545302780they already reported on that one so they didn't mention it againsame source>>545252572
>>545302648you can, yea. Throwing one on an enemy hero enhances your poke on them, however, and getting all the scarabs on minions during laning phase can be annoying since you have to leave cover and walk around.
>>545302639>he doesn't know
>>545302849https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Games/Deadlock/DeadlockAugust22025/Audio/yamato_ping_see_krill_01.mp3
https://files.catbox.moe/0vz8un.mp4
>>545302648You hit the enemy heroes and use the remaining ones on the creepers since the creepers give you less health
>>545302963yooo they're adding ice cream
what is actually happening? I've had like 5 leavers in a row an counting
if its true that half life 3 is being announced this month or next month this game is done, sadly.
>>545303480whyI'm going to play half life 3 for 30 hours and then go back to playing deadlock
>>545303480why? if that were true (it isn't) it'd mean that people who were working on HL3 may move to the next promising project (deadlock)
>>545303190it's clearly foreshadowing the icy krill skin
>>545302053>>545302639They were making HL3 (and a spin off that got scrapped) until Portal 2 took over the whole companies time and effort. Then Valve completely abandoned HL until Alyx and it was only then that HL3 started development from scratch. I've been told development is essentially finished but I don't trust anyone when they say it's coming out on a certain date.
>>545303690maybe they're adding item-dependent callouts and this one is for when he has cold front
>>545303690>ICY INFERNUS!
why the fuck does paige get to exist in her current state
>>545303480Thats good thoOnce HLX comes out valve sevs spreadout to their respective games again
>>545303605Because morons already assume the game is dead when the game isn't even out yet or officially announced yet. Half Life will be when Valve has set the full foundations of Source 2 which means most people will be concentrated on getting their teeth stuck into that aspect. Plus I'm convinced it will be a shadow drop, whereas everybody already knows what Deadlock is.Plus from what I understand HL3 will have considerable re-playability value much more so than HL2 and its episodes due to procedural generation akin to L4D and more "open area" lineal levels.
>>545304259Because she's still harder to play than Kelvin and Krill.
cut to metrocops brutally beating the shit out of your favourite hero
>Dome someone>They just keep shooting me>I dieWhat's the point of Kelvin's dome?
>>545304585>what's the point of the best ult in the gameI don't know retard, what do you think it is?
>>545304374>everybody already knows what Deadlock isI regularly ask people "Hey have you heard of Deadlock?" and the answer is almost always no
>>545304690Being "the best" isn't quantifiable. Explain.
>>545304585try to dome multiple people at once, including your team, so they can't just shoot youyou can purchase more range to make it bigger
nothing valve related will be announced at the game awards deadlock or otherwise please do not fall into this trapevery year I say I will never watch it again and then I do and I regret it
>>545303065>>545302947I think going for heros is what was fucking me up, I dont need more poke,i got mark, I need less shit clear
>>545298835>>545299224The other heroes I play were just taken already. Although I really like Drifter I had such a bad loss streak that I think I need a break from him. You ever get that get that feel?
>>545304794Well everyone I talk to about deadlock in deadlock threads knows what it is
>charge someone as abrams>the end up stunned 3 feet behind meim so fucking sick of this buggy ass hero man
>>545304794Do you ask them on the street? Do you point at people in the street and ask them if they've played Deadlock?
>>545302297I want to have sex with Lash
I'm so glad statlocker is dead, piece of shit website
>>545298251Not as good as when her gun was an overpowered murder machine, but new dagger helps a lot in lane to let her harass without having to get into 'lose all my fuckin health if the enemy bothers to shoot me' range. I've had decent success building spirit early and chaining daggers into venom to pretty low-risk fuck people up - sometimes a kill.
>>545305125We know, Ivy.
>>545305128what happened to it?
>>545305307Valve, being super fucking based, disabled all API calls to Deadlock stats
>>545305039YesIt's called being Sigma
>>545305492well, at least they finally allowed people to upload their own matches with a program.i was suggesting something like this ages ago so maybe someone finally listened.
>>545304585>heals you to full hp while slowing their gun down by 40%
>>545305805Which is useless against actual gun heroes since they still melt you even with healing, bullet resist, and fire rate reduction.
>>545301018fucking cocktease leakers with 0 pictures yet again
new poshypop video guys omg
The ritual circles under all the jungle camps should fill up like a timer when they’re dead. Let you know how long until they respawn, or if they were just cleared and an enemy is around.
>>545302849They should keep the whole weeb alien schtick, was kinda funny.
>>545306690Hi! Thanks for the feedback. We are thinking of implementing this as a feature in our newly announced Deadlock+ subscription. Thanks for your support!
the lash used to do an uppercut
>>545306839What happened?
All of my games have been terrible today, inhouse when? SoloQ is miserable due to stacks.
lash doesn't do uppercut valve pls fix
>>545307036I can start it now if I can carry on playing something else in the background and you guys manage the shuffling and shit B684N
>>545297541why do they keep adding new heroes when they could just add a new map or something
>game got paused because an anon with mic on was getting a blow job from his bf>said sorry on mic and cleaned up >I got incredibly horny and couldn't focus all game >only thoughts that went though my head is "imagine how nice being under that desk would be"Fuck
>>545307374>You play Doorman primarily don't you?
Whoever you are you are a fucking bumC9QZZ
>>545306690Make it amount of candles lit
>>545307507Uhh.no. Mina uh.
>>545307243>add new map>York, Englandludo
>>545307664York is pretty.
Need an old sailor that throws harpoons.
>>545307243they're doing a new gamemode which might get a new map made for it
>>545307904Give it another 10 years and all the new british will have trashed it dont worry
>>545307243They're filling out the base map with a fuckton of unique assets first
>>545304926the health steal often doesnt actually matter unless the target dies, hitting a hero is just an 8% shred debuff with no dmg most times, while hitting a creep that dies would be 8% +100 "damage" from the steal
Waiting for>single lane but otherwise the same>ARAM>duo lane>arena>cart>gimmick queues like all 1 character
>>545307904Incredibly obvious shop there's no sun in England
need phd man who swings crowbars
>>545307243>>545308070>new mapFirst moba?
>>545260360>Monster hunter>Nintendounderaged newfaggot >>>/out/
Thinking we could add a maniacal german doctor who may or may not have commited warcrimes in his past.
>>545308212>builds passive stacks by breaking boxes>>545308310NTA but LoL has 2 and Smite had 3 or 4 last time I checked (like 6+ years ago)
>>545308513>boxes can drop healing and temporary ammo increases when he's breaking them
>>545308503potential heavily implied nazi war criminal who has a pet dove
>>545308641they used to do this last year
>>545308697I like it, and you know what would be peak irony? His best friend could be a Russian too haha.
>>545308769Fucking when did i miss this. I played early closed beta up until around the time the NDA opened. Then came back on the 6 hero drop and I have no memory of it
>>545307904York needs help is what it is
what the hell happened on the 20th of october that caused such a downward trend?
>>545309002april until late may/early june
>>545309056Everyone ate too much pumpkin and died
>>545308310Heroes of the Storm has a bunch of them, and the hero viability radically changes between them! Its fantastic.
>>545309085Bring ItBack
>>545309056fatigue/lack of freetime from college aka the primary demographic of these types of games.
>>545309056didnt like 2 games come out, battlefield and arc raiders, zoomers love playing new shit for a month and then dropping it
>>545309056because this meta is worse than gun meta and spirit meta combined. Mid boss is extremely overpowered and nothing fucking matters the entire fucking game but getting mid boss.nothing you do matters if it doesn't result in you getting that mid boss at 20-25 minutes so nobody above Ascendant is enjoying the game/meta and are just quitting.
>>545304087No
>>545310386>>545310386>>545310386>>545310386
Inhouse lobbyC9QZZ
>>545309968what does that have to do with the 20th of october
>>545256085Just bots that follow you and aimbot enemies
