Grounded Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-24-2025-update.87198/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlock: >>545625212
nice pic bro
>use mark>facing the wrong way when I teleport so I miss my melee>would've gotten parried if it connected
OPEN THE INHOUSE NOOW
>Top obj dmg with gloomsIm a Calico main now, she is too busted
God I love parrying. Nothing quite feels like getting a double parry in lane>>545716905What's your ping? Some of those melees flabbergasted me too. >>545719856This gif rocks
>>545719974>What's your ping?don't remember off-hand but couldn't've been more than 20-30.
>>545719529this webm loops really well. Was that on purpose?
Pop em nigga
>>545719974>0:07 mid air there's no way on earth that wasn't script. You're just limit testing to see if you can post yourself cheating without people noticing.
Pick tranhouse niggers
OK, SOMEONE NEEDS TO LEAVE IVE BEEN WAITING FOR 30 MINUTES AND IM NOT GOING TO SPECTATE
>>545720964the parry? didn't they add an action queue to the game a while back? looks like he was just spamming F while getting hooked so it popped as soon as he became vulnerableNTA but I did the same thing to get a double parry -> double kill today as dynamo, parrying straight out of entanglement
>>545720964why doesn't someone who played against him testify? Rather than armchair analysis
>>545719974I was the Mo in that game and what happened on my screen is not what happened in any of your videos lmao. Melee is such a shitshow with europing.
>>545721724mashing parry out of hook combo is pretty much the best course of action that early in the game, the uppercut locks you out of most anything else. Similarly, tapping a light melee as bebop after the uppercut is usually free damage. It's just a 50/50 same as any other melee interaction.t. pic
>>545719974>the violent mouse shake when he hits the second parry That's how you know it's human
>lose mid guardian in a few minutes as i'm left to solo lane by seven>seven didn't even take a side guardian, just wasted a bunch of time traveling back and forthwhat is their plan
>>545719876Made a Paradox rage at me with Calico. They bought curse to counter me and I still kill herBest feeling ever
>>545719529>misses point blank powerslash
>>545719103reminder to shit on discord trannies to not let them shit up the generalreminder to never join an inhouse or you'll risk being doxxed and harassed by mentally ill losers
>>545723114thats half the fun fag
every game feels impossible
When do I get to a rank where people call missing?
>>545723978you get less missing pings the better your rank because people actually use their minimap and recognize that once guardians go down and boost is available rotations will happen
why am I getting matched against 2 oracles when there isn't a single person on my team other than myself above ritualist
>>545724260because the oracles were doing too well and needed to be punished
>>545724329by stomping the lobby and wasting everyone's time?
>get to oracle 1>"fuck it i want to learn drifter">drop to archon 2
Just watched a hazefag get frogged.
>>545724705Screenshots?
>>545724543I did the same thing, except I went from oracle 3 to ritualist 2 trying to learn Bebop. I played many a lost match trying to use ult build.
It's been fucking ages and Mina is still an unbearably shitty character to fight, which tranny dev is self inserting here?
>>545724990that's not kelvin, shiv or infernus
>>545725037Mina's kit is by far the more infuriating one
>Take break because game is being shitty >First game back get graced with thisMatchmaking is determined to make me uninstall
L nothingburger update
GGs inhouse
>>545726248zomg I got doxxed
>>545725468i've come very close to uninstalling just because of this donkey shit matchmaking
>>545727452It really is impressively bad, that or the fundamental mechanics of the game are too snowball-y
>>545727638Both
>hear rosh>can't even walk 10 feet before it's dead and they've taken the rejuvs
ggs in house was fun fellas
H7X2B4 slots
>>545728010how do they even fix this shitI assume it's the gun carry characters that are just doing infinity dps and shredding it in half a second
H7X2BH7X2BH7X2Bneed 1 for ih
murder this fucking shiv hero
BISON PICK NIGGA
>>545728010>uses dotababy terms>"walks"learn movement, dotababy.
>>545729954eat sperm you stupid chimp.
>>545730042oh-ho, just a delightful little ribbing my dear angry video-game nerd!
>>545720728I did badly>all my teammates die too fast>now its a 4vs1, one of them is a Shiv and Im not well farmStill the Emo fucker is fun, his stink aura slows people so much.
>lost 2 games in a row where my team had more nwHow do I convince my team to stop jungling and take buildings?
is it worth using burst fire over fleetfoot?
>>545731715also is it better to buy items that increase my bullet damage over items that reduce the enemy's bullet resistance? at what point does one benefit outweigh the other?
I only played one but I'll dip because I have a little tummy ache :3
>>545731834Fire rate is always superior to weapon damage because of procs. Reducing enemy bullet resist reduction is good if they have bullet resist, less so if they don't
Alright, I think I'm done with this game. At least I won't play without some frens, Solo Q is miserable. But the real reason is doornigger, it's just not fun. If he's a complete imbecile carried to a higher rank by the hero he will still have a huge impact, fights late game only last a few seconds and his ult guarantees someone stays out of it for just that long. And if he is not braindead it will always be 6v5, every fight is -1. Mohammed at least stays still like a cone to be shot and can be stunned, there is exactly zero counterplay to doornigger. Easily the most OP broken character released in any game for the past years. All his skills are absurdly strong.
Mirage has a built in bullet resist reduction so I’ve been getting spirit rend over crippling headshot. Is this item still not good even in this scenario?
>>545733135And your main?
>>545733454Paraslut.
is the sleepy sleeper real?
>>545733537Paradox is like top 3 heroes in the game right now what shitlow are you in
>>545733634Ass 3. And what does that have to do with anything? Read what I said about the character that guarantees every fight is going to be 6v5. Worse, potentially 6v4 or 6v3 because depending on the cart usage it can keep 1 to 2 guys stunned for just as long as the ult. Hell, ult someone, then cart some other poor guy into a door connected 150 meters away, there you go, now it's 6v4.
>>545733542< THIS TIRED SON OF A BITCH Is Stealing Sinner's Across The Map and basically, you are fucking underfarmed
>>545732195so instead of mystic shot i should buy something like tesla bullets?
>>545733542I hope not, he looks dumb as fuck
>>545733634Or is 6v4 not enough for the braindead chromies playing this broken nigger of a character? Just buy CURSE, now it's 6v3. Almost guaranteed if you can press your buttons.
>>545733841sinners is a force word and you can just kill yourself for using it
>>545734340the only words that will kill me are"werewolf gfs arent real stop going into the woods", thank you very much.
>>545733809Bro how are you genuinely below archon hahahahahaa
>>545733542No. It's just the fake gnome leak reskinned.
>>545734802ass 3 is ascendant 3 tard-kun.
>>545734802Holy shit thats embarrassing anon
>>545734903Oh sorry thought you meant emAssary, still kill yourself if you can't get eternus as a paradox main
mina downplayer herewhy can't I get out of rit 6 despite having a 65% overall winrate
>>545735035Why do I bother posting, only dimwits like you remain here anyway.
>>545733542I hope so>little guy who jumps on people>summons goons>cute little sleepy thingthat's like my favorite shit
>>545735215The matchmaking can just be ass. It takes a single player to ruin the entire match by doing something retardedI once had a infernus that was still afking farming at 50k souls and refused to take part in fights. We lost as a result. And I called him a nigger.With friends like these, who needs enemies?
>>545735409ok but what the FUCK influences my skill rank changingdo I need to hard carry the game and get top player and objective damage to start climbing quicklyI won 7 games in a row and didn't move from rit 6 to whatever the next tier is but I just lost a game on a character I've played maybe 6 games as and I went down to rit 5
>>545735542Dude there's fucking 20k total people playing this game right now. It's in beta. Why do you fucking care what badge is next to your name?
>>545735542No clue either, for example I lost two games (One solo, one with friends) and won two and somehow went up a rank despite not demoting on my two losses. This was all yesterday.There's something weird as shit caculating the MMR. I'm in shitelo so I'm probably like the top 10% stats and kda wise but that shouldn't influence MMR right? Unless it does?
>>545735785I like seeing myself improve at games I'm shit at and it's the easiest metric to show improvement>>545735798I only ever play with friends so maybe that fucks it up, idk
In a few seconds, it will all be over.
What was this Paradox doing that allowed her to chunk me for 3000+ health in every teamfight?
>>545736107NEVER SHOW FEAR, NO MATTER THE ODDS!I hope the Warden Remodel is real. My nigga deserves a 10/10 design.
>>545733809You have silence built into your wall and silence wave is one of the best items in the game right now as well, what are you doing?
>>545736147uhh chuddy you know when you die or hit tab it says where the damage was coming from
>>545733135People really sleep on how overloaded that hero's kit is. You'd think for having all the best utilities, he wouldn't deal that much damage, but he has both spirit nukes and one of the best guns in the game.
>>545736207hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
>>545736207that pic is coolI love giant billowing robes
>>545736508That was my fourth game of Deadlock...
>>545736513>one of the best guns in the gamethis is just incorrect especially after the nerfs
lol
>>545736624now you know for next time bwoI don't play her so I could be completely wrong but her shock grenade makes you take increased damage from her per stack so if you were ulting somebody and stuck in place on top of the grenade she might have just had a ton of damage amp on you
>>545736674It's still correct. I don't care how bad the nerfs are, he's still getting >40% headshot rate, which is still more DPS than every other hero despite the "nerf" because it's still a 175% damage buff nearly half the time when most heroes get 200% not even a quarter of the time and with far more effort required. So either they nuke the damage further or they fix the projectile so it's not the size of a football field.
>>545733542I hope so
>>545735542>goes up in rank>MM thinks you're good enough to carry a whole dumb team>losing streak, rank goes down>repeatthis is my experience
>>545733542please yes>>545738367P L E A S E
>>545738367PLAP PLAP PLAP
>animepedos when little kid
>>545731715They serve different purposes, burst fire is damage, fleetfoot is mobility >>545731834As a solo, fire rate is better than shred until mid to late game. If you are a duo/team however then shred becomes a lot more appealing because it applies to all your teams damage, so in a duo you can safely double the values in your head
>>545733235I have one mirage build with a spirit lifesteal focus where I do get spirit shredder bullets because its spirit lifesteal is additive, but I dont upgrade it mostly because of the frequency cap. It stacks slower than mark when you get cdr. It might be worth in specific matches but not in most
>>545739759Wouldn't this be furfags instead?Get your boogeyman right schizo.
lobby tonight? (
>>545736147Bug abuser
>>545740067fuck you mean tonight. It's 7 in the morning
>>545740307did i say lobby now nigga????
Am I fucking up by not grabbing radiant regen and surge of power on vic? Because he’s already such a lategame hero it feels like I should just not waste spots on them.
>>545740971radiant regen is good if you are in animal bracket where antiheal (especially the cheap easy shit you can get in lane like healbane) is ignored. SoP is total bait. Shouldn't feel bad about not having those items
>>545740971If you aren't feeding uncontrollably then its probably ok to skip radiant regen but I wouldnt skip surge of power
>>545741110>>545741137Yeah I’ve been skipping radiant but it feels like an early game struggle buy rather than something you want all the time, and SoP just has too much competition for slots. I see SoP on the 2 which is fine but I'm grabbing healing tempo anyway so what's the point? Again, feels like a struggle pick but for mid game.
This game fucking sucks. 4 root characters against 1 wow i wonder what will happen
>>545736802What's this from, inhouse?
>>545741417SoP comes online significantly earlier than healing tempo, I dont really veiw it as a struggle pick because its arguably more offensive than defensive, at the very least its neutral. Maybe im bias idk but I put SoP on par with fleetfoot in terms of viability
>>545742198Yeah that’s what I mean by an earlier game struggle pick. It and HT serve similar roles but it works earlier, whereas HT is later but does more for your kit overall.
>>545729954The game is dota3, lil bro
>>545729954This is a dotachud neighbourhood, league trannies KEEP walking
>>545740089Which bug? Another Paradox in my next game did the same thing.
>>545733542I hope no, this looks like a lol champ>>545736548Then stop hoping and start manifesting.>>545736802Valve made another game with the pure looney tunes cartoons experience, how do they do it
>>545741417SoP gives you movespeed which lets you keep people in your stink, firerate so your OP gun can melt them faster, and a lot of healing. Why not?
>>545736624>fourth game>better Mo build than the average inhouserohnononono
>>545736624Assuming that guy had echo shard on his bomb, you were taking too many stacks from hit giving her an insane amount of damage amp allowing her to quickly kill you with the damage amp from her bomb and the escalating exposure stacks (the item with the radiation symbol)>>545743641This isn't true because just like them he has no warp stone
Does priest have any charge skills?
I need Seven to be OP again
>>545743753True, true. Also, it's about time to give up cold front, guys. It's not that good anymore. A lot of 1600 competition, and you can just save another 1600 for one of the op T3s.
>>545743184Idk i forget, its an old bug that keeps recurring, makes your whole burst amped by carbine instead of one bullet
>>545743890His winrate is still good, turns out flashing farming is op
>>545743890He still has good winrate he’s just a pseudo m1 that wins by just getting turbo farm.
>>545744276feels like shit vs eternus people
>>545743941>coldfront bad
>>545733542Hope he plays like the Jockey Left 4 Dead
Managed to get a team kill as Victor and somehow win a match despite having the worst Warden and Dynamo I've ever seen in my team. It was hilarious when the Calico tried to burst me down but I had juggernaut and spellbreaker so I just trapped her in my stink aura.
Am I crazy for thinking reverb is crazy?+50% on any nuke you want(aoe too)6s cd40% slow just incase a fuckhuge nuke wasnt enough
Pocket 1 feels really odd relative to the rest of his kit.
>>545745038Its free aoe damage + farm, as if he wasn't overtuned as is
SEX WITH THE DOORMAN!!!
>>545745387Fair didn’t think of it in the context of farm. It just felt out of place in the context of his burst, being really slow and vulnerable when the rest is real fast and zippy.
>green bebop>Always bottom damage, thousands below anyone else Am i doing something wrong
Inhouse build ready.
>>545746121where your is echo sharrd
>>545745978You are not landing enough Bombe>Buh my enemy has counterspell/removerStop playing that meme build
>>545746167Damn true I should drop carpet or the charges for it.
>>545746121>stiff breeze blows byheh, nothin personnel, kid
>>545746121You joke but Croc has been making people his bitch with melee Haze build. Genuinely running games. The average inhousers here are too shit to deal with it.
Pockets gun is too cool for such a whiny bitch.
>>545746448Does debuff resist affect sleep duration?
>>545724990Here's my mina nerf>Saggy escape doesn't make you invulnerable, it just removes your hitbox. I.e you will dodge aoes and projectiles but any effect on you remains active(bebomb, knockdown, 7 stun, etc). Duration of disjoint also reduced so it's harder to dodge aoes but she moves faster>Love bite deals less base damage, scaling increased after 80 spirit (she's shit late game anyway)Part of what makes love bites so powerful is that any other nuke isn't guaranteed to never waste a cooldown (maybe lash whip). Imagine if dynamo stomp just refunded the cooldown if it missed.
>>545746597obviously
>>545745978Open with battlevest into fury trance for most green dmg(hook t1 gives+dmg and uppercut t2 gives+dmg so firerate combos best)Healbane and enchanters give spirit power. But mostly for spirit you are stacking bombs
>10 win streak currentlyHow fucked am I?
>>545724990Just make it so her dash only gets a second use if she puts all 3 upgrades into it. Boom, fixed.
>>545746321smoke bomb+carpet is actually a goated combo keep it
>>545746121No unstoppable and debuff remover to ignore parries?
>>545746615The real mina nerf is making her face ugly, -99% pickrate overnight
>>545728768I said it before>When you trigger the threshold midboss blows up the arena, opens the ceiling to blue lane and becomes a 20 stories tall kaiju and starts throwing players into walls and dropping red circles on the ground you have to dodgeWa la, he becomes more easy to access, more easy to contest and it's cool
>>545746814But she is already a gook
>>545747001let me guess, this is attractive to you?
>>545747193No.
>>545746448tbf most people play on 120 ping and its kinda hard to dodge daggers/punches when everything you do is delayed by like half a second or soespecially if you gonna split push and he just fucks off at warp speed from whatever brool he was in just to punch you in the nuts
>>545747343120 milliseconds isn't even half of half of a second thoughbeit
>>545747193>>545747250he only jerks off to mo
>>545747492w/e u get my pointplus some characters are by default more fucked than others when u get dagger'd outta nowhere
>>545734340wtf is a force word
Anyone got the lolis a drawfag here produced? I remember he drew Ivy, McGinnis, Calico, Mina and Paige
Lane matchup for this feel?
>>545750682Geist & Sinclair type lanes
>>545738367HNNNGGG valve would be omega retarded not to add them into the game
>>545750682Mina vs. HollidayYamato vs. Sinclair
did they patch the splitshot bug yet?
Which character best fits me if I have an irrational hatred of Chaos
>>545751084warden
>>545751084Warden
>>545750682We should get the right guy as a hero but it would be too based for a mainstream company.
>>545750957ulting yamato as sinclair should give you yamato's whole kit for the duration
>>545746448Honestly, he's had his fun I'm actually just going to start itemizing against it since sleep dagger is so fucking anoying.
>4/10/1 Abrams that rage quits after dying because he solo dives constantly>1/6/6 paradox, 0/9/3 wraith, 6/3/1 Mina that keeps crying over mic about me stealing his jungle camps (was literally there first each time) and an 0/7/5 bebopI can’t any more man, the game just keeps giving me constant matches where my team feeds. I don’t mind a difficult lane phase but if I get out of it with the enemy 20 kills up from other lanes I just fucking can’t dude I’ve had it
Is movement holiday worth? Can stay above 20m/s pretty consistently cycling with highs of 25m/s burst
>>545752412I’m tired boss. I used to have a positive wr with vic like 2 weeks ago
>>545752695Forgot pic
>>545752895Idk how you losing those 40m+ games you should be unkillable at that point
>>545753005Not that guy but I've seen it happen on the opposing end. More often than not the floruide will kick in and the enemy team won't play around the victor and he'll die trying 1 v 11 his pig team.I'd almost be sorry... if you weren't a victor main.
>>545753005Usually multiple enemies equal or higher in farm with worthless feeding teammates, or I get stuck defending because teammates would just let entire lanes die otherwise. Or they just refuse to fight with me for some reason (love when my ult pops and teammates all run instead of playing with it.) Some of them were winnable and just came down to last minute turnarounds though yeah. When you’re the only fed one and are easy to counter build AND your playstyle consists of running in their face you tend to fall apart even being Victor. There's only so much you can do sometimes.
Have you made someone rage in chat before? With what hero and what hero was raging?
did shiv always have the bottle on his ass?
>>545752895>Forgot picImagine ever doing this
>>545753678Abrams. Second time he had died to me (was early but well fed Victor) and I, being 100% genuine and trying to be helpful, told him about melee queue, he took that poorly and spiralled from there. Didn't even egg him on, I think once he realised I was being genuine it just pissed him off more.
>>545752895
Tips for Billy? Never played him before. I know 2-1-3-1 and light melee for ammo, that’s it. Do I just get up in their face while holding m1 and the occasional light?>>545753986Someone gets off on annoying people.
>>545753678heheheh you see that shit?
The black woman of Valve unοriginality.Τhese are ΤWΟ different characters.
>>545753678>Have you made someone rage in chat before?I do it all the time see >>545753986
>>545754102Pretty much, yes. Once you get your lifestrike/spirit snatch you get a absurd powerspike, I usually rush those items instead of lane defensive shit mostly unless I get lane terrorists (I,E Mina/Doorman).Be willing to buy defensive counter-tiems in the late game, a spellbreaker or a plated armor can make you insufferable if the enemy comp is one-sided to one kind of damage.
>>545752594her movement is insane already with just jump pad
am addicted to enduring speed
do you think they are ever going to figure out how to make summons work?
>>545754905Truly is the boot of Deadlock
>>545754905Don't do it man. It's a gateway drug to harder stuff, like trophy collector
>>545755049they have to first prevent the fucking minions to get into weird angles>>545755086the numbers... the numbers...
>>545753678I played melee Geist like a year ago and some guy on the enemy team accused me of hacking in souls and aimbotting (when all I did was punch) cause I had like 65k souls after 40 kills lol
>>545754814Yea I know so I double down on it. Its just for running shitlow lobbies
>>545754905why would i need that?i already scale sprint speed with spirit
>>545754102Maj leap+shadoweave bound to the same key for gank billyThink about it
>>545755193>movespeedOp>sprint speedUselessSimple as
when will the mythical gun lash be invented?
>oh patron what happened to my brother Bryce>"they kicked him out for doing drugs, he died of an overdose last year lmao"
>>545755469... and other tales from Initiate II
>>545755469Its already invented, but it uses "bad" items so its disrespected by the "pros"
>>545755469QSR + SOP on flog, intensifying and titanic mag, use your mighty power to push walkers and then run away
>>545755643they really need to rework her character. the contrast between her timid personality and her complete willingness to kill people just to know the fate of a family member is jarring.
>>545755469It was already invented but got nerfed heavily to the built of being unviable
>>545756021everyone participating in the ritual knows what they've signed up forand respawning after you die is part of the pact
>>545756021I mean if you join the ritual you know what's at stake. Its not like she's fighting innocents, everyone knows what they signed up for and what losing means.
>>545756021>women are hypocriticalIt makes sense, THOUGHEVER
>>545755895Thats pretty close to my strategy tho I get different items, flog imbues early into guns later and just kite around
>>545756394Kazakhstan exclusive server when? Only men
>>545756351>>545756360she's saying shit like 'this is my favorite part of the story' and 'I LOVE DRAGONS' while grievously wounding others, grim acceptance of your duty is one thing but still acting like an awkward happy go lucky nerd while doing it makes you come across as a psychopath
the more pictures and videos you watch about the 40s, the sadder it is to see how the devs have completely decided to neglect the unique setting in favor of modern slop designs like mina, billy and paige
>>545756021The only thing they need to rework is the book references she makes. She's in 1950s new york. The Modernists have already happened. Why isn't she referencing The Old Man and the Sea or As I Lay Dying or The Great Gatsby? Where's Ulysses? Why is she 90% themed around British chivalric romance exclusively, and why are the only exceptions writers from the previous century like Bronte?
THIS CITY IS MY PLAYGROUND
>>545756931Because Paige is a knight pun
>>545756837Paige's design isn't out of place for the era, it's her booktok personality that feels out of place (but a lot of the cast feel too modern for the setting in that way)>>545757013I frankly didn't notice that until now
>>545756931because the people in charge of writing her were too busy 'reading' stuff like pic related to do any sort of research
>>545756646>Why is the goofy character saying silly things in my fun video game? I demand a serious atmosphere more befitting of my maturity and intelligence.
Warden should have a shotgun.
>>545757256i will have sex with yu
Saturday Morning Inhouse
>>545756021Paige isn't Timid you retard>I'll try to protect you >No, Greytalon! I'm going to protect (You)!
>>545757410Sex.
>>545756973It would appear that I'm on a roll, yes?
>>545757256this but unironicallyi love that most of deadlock's characters actually feel like people who would be willing to kill each other and look very untrustworthy unlike the super sanitized heroes of overwatch, paige is the most glaring exception to this rule
>>545756021Mikyguiness is the one who needs to be reworked. Her personality is bland and wishy washy. She should be more enthusiastic about working for Fairfax and more outwardly "evil" alligned
>have to lane paige>do nothing for 12 mins>our team has 2 smurfs in yellow>continue to do nothing for another 15 minsFUN!
>>545757607Yeah I think they should change her voice, personality, and face.
>>545757223I'm not even asking for deepish cuts like Mafarka the Futurist, or The King Alone, just the kind of modern lit they teach in the average american high school english class today. It's a bizarre blindspot in her character concept.
the drifter looks like he smells of piss, alcohol and dried blood
>>545757769He definitely does, but do you think he drinks? Can vampires get intoxicated?
>>545757858Vampires and fancy red wine go well, so I'd hope so.
I don't think Paige is any less visually or personality-wise out of place as Lash or Bebop.>>545757667warcriminal rosie the riveter is a fun idea and it's a shame that they're not committing to it.
>>545756837>I have never read a history book and don't know what anarchism isstop speaking retard.
>>545757667there are plenty of real people who just passively align with whatever group, job or action benefits them the most regardless of morals or any personal interest. Take for example the people spamming the same OP characters every match just to get a higher win rate in the pre-beta game
>lockle>eternus game>trophy collector>trophy collector>trophy collector>cheat death
>>545757998he wasn't talking about anarchism
>>545758014She's boring as fuck and needs a big change inside and out
>>545758102He's crying about Billy being out of place despite Punk basically being neo-anarchism dipshit.
>>545758065hes speaking in code, what could it mean?
>>545757947Bebop is one of the most out of place what the fuck are you talking about?
>>545758260www.lockle.app
>>545757998do you become an anarchist by wearing clothes that aren't even available to your current time period? I'm not saying rebels or antisocials have never existed, or that they have to look like they belong to a group, but he still looks out of place and it's still a misuse of the setting
>>545758289Bebop design is from neon prime he is like yamato he gonna change
>>545758346?
i'm the reaperand you're the sower
>>545758463ummm but i dont know how to sew
>>545758346>do you become an anarchist by wearing clothes that aren't even available to your current time period?Its never been a one-to-one to our 1950s, its alt history. Getting your panties in a twist because things happened a decade or two early is pure autism, more so when its shit you clearly know fuck all about.
>>545758458yeah dude, just look at these victorian pilots over here
>>545758740Billy doesn't look like that so what's your point?
I think it's funny that Billy is such a rebellious punk that he doesn't even conform to the timeline he's in
>>545757667She is only with Fairfax because they pay the most, she doesn't care about morals.
>>545758964she isnt a slave though she gets to do what she loves and make a fortune
>>545758252Punk was a teeny-bopper music and fashion movement from the 70s. It's definitely out of place.
>>545758839Billy literalmente the guy on the left but with a jacket and goat head
>>545758839well he sure as hell doesn't look like a pilot either so what's the point of this? >>545758458He doesn't look like a lower class new york citizen from the 40s either, and there's more than a few decades in between the 40s and 80s to the point where you have to ask yourself why even bother making a noir setting in the first place if you're gonna waste it for free at any possible opportunity
>>545759134they have ATMs and those didn't exist until the late 80s, the setting itself is anachronistic
Today I've decided to stop caring about rank and instead try to get a grasp at most heroes by playing a bunch of games on them. Reject the rat race and embrace self improvement.
>>545757410I'm down after this match
Whoever wrote this retarded shit should be ashamed of themselves
>>545759063She just does whatever Fairstein wants
>>545758458>>545757998Off yourself retard
I just realized that Abrams' charge is recycled from Left 4 Dead 2.
>>545759349Other than the last sentence using punctuation poorly, what's wrong?
>>545757410AIIEEEEE I'M A WAGESLAVE WITH A WIFE AND CHUD CHILDREN I CAN'T PLAY ON SATURDAY MORNINGS AIIIEEEE!!!!
whoever thought infernus was a good idea needs to be flogged
>>545757570WELCOME TO MY ICE DOME
>>545759508>surprised-black.gif
>>545759576Turn his passive into a temporary buff like Power Surge
>>545759349I knowNot even one mention about how he wants to fuck his wife again
>>545759576I play infernus so nobody else does. I'm shit at aiming anyway so i deal afterburn procs at a fourth of the rate of anyone else
>>545759576The Lash can oblige
>>545759576
>>545759508I mean, yeah. Abrams is pretty much a copy pasted Coach, I thought everybody knew that
>>545759509The entire premise is nonsensical.
>>545759479you are unreasonably upset that the setting of a video game is not the same as the one you had in your head, well before it's even had the chance to be fleshed out
>>545759815how?
>>545759815Anon that does not even rank in the top 10 worst origins for a character in a MOBA
>>545759683yeah at least that. And make it so his fucking trail doesn't nuke you for daring stepping on it for a split second. Also remove any fucking effect on towers
>>545759815One of the most popular characters in modern fiction is a dude who got spider powers after getting bit by one. Magic turning a dude into a star is rather tame compared to a lot of other recent character origins
>>545759815they're probably either skipping every relevant detail to make it shorter or mystery boxing it to leave room for more lore later on
>>545759993Which one's the worst
>>545759349The craziest part is him being Pocket's godfather
>>545760156Lash's origin story is "Jaboc Lash is an asshole."
>>545760267That's the best backstory tho
Casual TF2 like modes should have all ultimates de-ultimated and turned into normal skills conductive to chaotic gameplay instead of instawin cooldown based combat or gay meter buildup like overbotch>mo ultimate stuns for 1 second only, automatically triggers on successful heavy melee hits rather than being targeted, has a few seconds cooldown>infernus ultimate has 3 meters radius and a few seconds cooldown>viscous ultimate deals less damage/resists but is a toggle>black hole has lower radius and a big cast time>paige ulti only shoots 2 horses and deals less damage
>enemy team is 4x gun>I’m the only one that counter builds>the haze saves focus lens for me>theyre all russian and spend the entire game shittalking This game has actually been torture for the past week kill me
>>545760156Jacob Lash is an asshole.
>play gun paige against spirit nuker AoE teamfight ultimate airborne gankers>entire game is shit>get ONE oppurtunity to shoot several heroes at once>instantly delete 4 enemies and the game completely turns around and we winfeels good man
>>545758964Seven is so based in his dialogue.
Umm, I don't think New York had these around in the 1940s..... so much for conforming to the timeline...
Focus lens shouldn't be in the game. Fury trance needs to be nerfed because on certain heroes it makes them win 99% of 1v1s early game.
>>545759803bros i miss fall 2024 lash gameplay (specifically before they added spirit resist to lane creeps and then all the cumulative healing/lifesteal nerfs)you could flog a creepwave and instantly kill all of them while regaining like 600 HP, shit was so cash
>>545760768Italians have been in ny since the beginning
>>545760768?New York was littered with Irish, Italian and Slavic immigrants in the 40s
>>545760807>on certain heroesSuch as?this new captcha makes me want to blow my brains out more than having infernus in the enemy team
yeah ok that's it am creating a fucking smurf account.Hate having to waste 20minutes of my life because of unwinnable games. Once a team gets the lead it's over unless they absolutely cock it up big time
>>545719495first for lost tourist
>>545760875>>545760903kek
>>545759683cut the afterburn application rate from his gun AT LEAST by a half but give him a m2 flamethrower that rapidly applies afterburn in a short range
Are there any Dotafag lists that attempt to put each hero in a position/role?
>>545761104You can play any hero in this game in any position anon. If you go full heal slut, full save fag, full damage fag etc. you are trolling your team anyways because buyback doesn't exist, everyone needs to deal damage and 1 death can last 90 seconds
>>545761095This could work. Afterburn being so easy to apply with little to no risk to Infernus is what makes it so frustrating. Forcing him to get close to you would make him feel more fair.
>>545760967You're contributing to the problem bro
>>545760937Worded poorly. "On certain heroes the self-silence means nothing so they get absurdly broken buffs for nothing"Like Haze. Mostly just Haze. Haze players buying early Fury or a Focus Lens should kill themselves. Genuinely. You're actually the worst most cancerous fucks ever.
>>545760359back to bed granddad, i set up quake on the crt for you
>>545761228I mean so is the case for any moba but that doesn't mean it's ideal
>>545760807focus lens shouldn't be in the game because it's a shit item that is severely outclassed by silence wave and is also countered by any number of good and useful items (debuff remover, warpstone, eshift, etc)
>>545760768it's just what all the discarded jewish foreskins mutate into
>>545761365>I mean so is the case for any moba but that doesn't mean it's idealLiterally just Deadlock and Dota
>>545761285how am contributing to the MM inbalance? How is it my fault my grey talons get raped by every character while the enemy talon terrorizes every lane with his ult
>>545760156New Jax by virtue of replacing old Jax
M1 hyper carry guns like Haze and Infernus should just have their effective range dumpstered and their item proc rate affected by it. Why should they get a LoS main damage source without needing to buy range? Would help bring more gun variety too, like having Vindicta be the better carry at mid range.
>>545761490>smurfing>ohh how am i contributing to the MM inbalanceyou're brown
>>545760359that's a crazy amount of stuns in a short period of time.It would be better if they had a smash brothers style orb floating around in the air that you have to heavy punch in order to unlock your ulti
>>545761490Smurfing is by definition MM imbalance lmao
>>545755161well if thats what youre doing wheres your MAGIC FUCKING CARPET, PUSSY?
>>545761320it's a fact that they want casual modes and that they would be good for the game in general (can relax with some deadlock that doesn't lock you to getting your balls stomped for 30 minutes), and ultimates don't really work well with casual modes since the strategic aspect of deadlock is heavily timing based, which would be removed in a casual mode. It would be very easy to make a few dozen de-ultimated skills and add them to casual mode.
why are friendly matches in this game so tilting? something about seeing my team in amicable terms with the other one pisses me the fuck off, i dont care if its jokingly kayfabe you should at the very least be hostile instead of verbally pillowfighting
>>545761661Russian, more likely.
>>545759829NTA, but how am I the one with the headcanon? The setting is clearly noir which typically takes place around the 40s or 50s, it's clearly inspired by Hellboy which is noir, the poster boy is a detective which is a noir stereotype. Characters like Billy, Paige and Mina are the ones that break the setting and end up looking like 2008 deviantart OCs. Imagine getting paid millions to create a noir new york character from 40s and you come up with Paige, a quirky 2020s booktok girl that is obsessed with stories from early medieval England
>>545761681It doesn't give movespeed(the stat)
>>545761831lighten up unc
>>545761662You could also play with stun durations, but having 20 second cooldown 1 second tiny AoE stuns already wouldn't be super problematic. Paige for instance could just be a ministun + knockup, and infernus standing right on top of you after a 3 second windup would be difficult to pull off
>>545757607There's ball of goo with a pitched up voice that tries to befriend everyone. There's a faggot twink with a briefcase full of frogs who acts awkward and scared while he jumps around being utter cancer to catch. There's a Dr. Prof. Wacky McScience who says shit like "Leave me alone!" before sending an 800 damage nuke the size of a Chevy Tahoe halfway across the map.It's not that serious, and that's the very reason why Valve characters work while Blizzard ones don't. Every character in Overslop, no matter how whimsical or cartoony, has to have a "serious and complex" side, and the results are overwritten characters who's features clash with each other.>Tracer isn't just a chirpy, energetic girl who zooms around, she's actually a space-time ghost if she doesn't have her magical plot device nearby.>D.Va isn't just an obnoxious streamer girl in a mechsuit, she's actually fighting to save her country.>Toblerone isn't just a grumpy dwarf who makes turrets, he has some not-so-wholesome opinions about robot people (cliggers).Valve characters work because they are what they are, and they don't try to be everything else. It's the same reason a game set in the 40s has a punk rocker goat and knife Elvis - because it's designed and written to be a fun game with fun characters, and beyond that nobody should give a shit.
>>545738367>tranny posts bestialitynothing new under the sun
Is phantom now the midwit rank?
>>545761894If this game has a poster boy as of right now it's Haze
>tfw you will never have a spooky victorian/art deco 1920's penthouse with an open fireplace
>>545762141You need to be 18 to post here
>>545760854Mina can still do that.
>>545762186Technically its emmisary but phantom probably has an excess of iq midwits brute forcing with hours played
>>545761436Point still stands. Paige is not going to be able to dps-carry as effectively as Infernus. Her kit and stats force her out of certain opportunities that other heroes are favored towards. This goes for every hero, therefore roles exist
>>545762403mina is boring as shit compared to lash and flog has 10x the AoE as >rake
>>545760768Opposing Force Race X looking motherfuckers.
>>545762478>
I wonder how different the meta will be in Street Brawl?>money is preset, so heroes that have trouble farming (Mirage) will be stronger, while heroes that rely of farming fast and getting a soul lead (gun Ivy, seven) will be worse>The fight is forced into a single lane, so characters with limited map movement will be stronger, as will characters who can hold a chokepoint defensively (Miku), meanwhile characters like Mirage and Ivy will lose a lot of the utility from their ults. There's also less room to retreat, so Pocket ult is going to fucking suck.>it's 4v4, so single target abilities will by default be stronger, effecting 25% of the enemy team rather than 16%. Wraith, Mo, and Doorman ults will be stronger. Paige will be able to shield all of her teammates.
>>545759829This has nothing to do with the video game and everything to do with your smug ineptitude and historical illiteracy
>>545762141Pocket and Dynamo are more serious in backstory and personality than 90% of Overwatch characters, you couldn't have picked worse examples
>>545762478Objectively false, the only role is the frontliner role hidden in matchmaking which has been an abject disaster because retardo geists and dynamos dont build greens
>>545760131>b-but muh capeshitlmao
>>545762702Total M1 carry death, hopefully. Also kudzu Ivy will be goated.
>>545762702Hazard skills like Kudzu, Geist bomb, and Paige dragon will be godly. Everyone will be building alch flask.
>>545762863You niggers want this to be generic hero shooter soooo bad, it's easy to tell
>>545762702Dynamo will be picked in every match because his one deals more damage than an atomic bomb and can cover half the width of a lane, his ult is meant to be used when enemies bunch up together and he can heal teammates in an area without diminishing returns. Cringeter will be even weaker in this mode since nobody will be alone. The devs will find some way to further nerf Ivy while 'adjusting' Kelvin.
someone make the in house
>>545763246kys fag
in house? more like out house
>>545763280I'm straight, married, 6'5. you're seething in your mothers basement with an ugly ass pizza face knowing you're going to die alone and homeless after your parents eventually end their lives.
>>545763293funny because it's true
>>545762141>wacky professor is suffering from pirates of the caribbean curse where he has no physical feelings whatsoever>frog twink is on the run from assassins hired by his own father who is an immoral oligarch who he is disgusted byviscous is, well yeah, viscous. Not that there aren't a bunch of unserious characters like mo&krill or billy or lash, but most characters have serious backstories and crosses to bear. kelvin has forgotten his memory (and the real kelvin is probably an asshole). geist has a whole VN about the moral dilemma of being a life stealing evil bitch. bebop is trying to save his creator. gay talon literally had his entire family brutally murdered including his grandchildren.
>>545762912true, I forgot to add that. Kudzu with charge items + alchemists fire will make taking the guardian hell.>Total M1 carry deathI don't know, preset soul amounts won't hurt characters like haze or vyper too much. Infernus won't be able to take advantage of his farming speed, but afterburn will still be cancer and he does have two big aoe abilities which will be harder to avoid in a smaller map.I wonder if they'll globally reduce the AOE of all abilities in Street Brawl.
>street brawlPlaying spirit Paige with Alchemical Flask and Healing Nova every match. I'm not here to win. I'm here to make you have a bad match.
>>545763408Kys fag
overall things have been pretty goo'd
>>545763408can i have sex with your husband
>>545762009I know it shouldn't be making me mad but something about having my team go "haha im so bad :)" "oops you got me :)" in all chat just gives me massive emotional whiplash, this game is so much about putting the other team in annoying unfair unwinnable positions that doing the friendly hoovy playbook in chat feels disingenous at best and like soft inting at worst
>>545763408you are a gay incel manlet.kys fag
>>545763671I've tried giving tips out to the enemy team before. Tilts them like you wouldn't believe.
>>545763864team micromanagers are the biggest killers of my mentalI'd never considered weaponizing it against the enemy team
>>545763864When people do this to me I just buy curse kill them and tbag then repeat whatever retarded advice they gave to me back.
>>545763864weird interaction that happened yesterday>chase low fed paradox as calico>die, whatever>paradox writes "clean">it wasn't clean so i write "clean like a dogs asshole">entire enemy team becomes rabid and starts spamming insults for the rest of the match even though they're winningmust have been a six stack of some kind of pakistani or something. I note there are certain players which use dog as an insult, probably third worlders
>>545763113Hero shooters have roles too dumb dumb, the frontliner is literally a hero shooter role
WHERE'S MY REINHART
>>545762478No they dont, you are a retard.
>what hero builds this>what rank
>>545764931Might be Vindicta.
>>545764802*parries*
>>545764931paradox, eternus
Anyone that builds Paige as full support has no clue how to play the game
>>545765051>>545765068WraithEternus
>>545765076>anyone who builds the support character to support doesn't know how to play the game.gun paige is a meme
>>545765062Well this won't be a problem cause /dlg/ told me parries were a bad system that was gonna be removed
>>545764931Mirage or Mina
>noobs will continue to be encouraged to play gun Paige and die tryingplease just let the children and women play spirit and support.
>>545764931the only hero in this game that regularly builds mercurial magnum + SOP + capacitor is wraith
>>545765076gun paige is a joke, hybrid is less of a joke, full support to fight against is pure cancer
>>545765267>>545765172>regularlyi thought the whole point was to be a shitty build on a shitty hero
>>545765076Paige is more annoying as a shit aoe shit thrower and never being caught.any paige running down with fucking splitshot at 25 minutes dies to an Abrams with fortitude
>>545765176>>545765301Maybe build her spirit fucktards, the only gun item you really need is high velocity rounds during laning to harass the enemy
>>545764746nta but after playing dota, paladins and lol for hundreds of hours each, I can completely understand the sentiment of not wanting to be forced into a support role, paying that your teammates will not run straight into a 1 v 5 just to blame you, praying that your team doesn't pick 4 flankers knowing that, statistically, there's only like an 11% you'll win that way. Or watching as none of your teammates picks a tank which is a requirement to win even though they tend to have the most depressingly boring gameplay
>>545765396no, it just pulls from random builds. could be meta or not. it's not meant to be a meme build.
>>545765301>>545765256Gun paige is viable in oracle and lower, it's a casual build but fairly effective in lower ranks. Meme builds are shit like torment pulse cat calico.>>5457656342 seconds of shooting in a teamfight in the right position can deal thousands of damage, for every extra target she hits her damage output is multiplied by that factor. she's more like a nuker hero than a real carry.
>>545765861Dragon is too difficult to land on anybody who's paying attention because of its doubled windup animation. Splitshot is better than velocity because it gives you an alternative for damage in a team fight besides just wiffing your dragon again for the umpteenth time. Plus it improves your farm speed. You shouldn't need velocity to secure souls anyway.As far as building support goes, having a backup shield for when your 2 is on cooldown is nifty, and vortext/knockdown make your 3 significantly stronger. You're already hanging back by default so rescue beam is also strong, but otherwise you don't really need heals.
>>545763671>this game is so much about putting the other team in annoying unfair unwinnable positions you just casually put into words the entire problem with mobas. Balance means absolutely nothing because your only way of winning is making the game unplayable for the enemy team. And if one team gains an advantage, the other is obligated to negate it by disabling those players with silences/disarms/stuns or dog piling on them to the point where they can't do anything to defend themselves, and if you don't have the items, abilities or players to do this, you're forced to stand back and do nothing for 40 minutes until you either lose or the enemies make a mistake that literally makes them unable to play the game for over a minute.
>>545766361This isnt about securing souls, her gun is awesome in lane with velocity shots when you can actually hit the other player. I build both high velocity and splitshot on my spirit paige. Full support is how you lose games and become fucking useless
>>545766508>Full support is how you lose games and become fucking uselesson Ivy, sure, but not on Paige
>>545766743If you're building a second shield you're a fucktard
>>545767457>highest winrate is building more shieldsstop false flagging and spreading misinformation to try and get Paigechads to lose. the gun build is shit and you're a retard. builing divine barrier is more shielding than stacking spirit because the scaling is shit. you have 0 idea what you're talking about and honestly there should be a rank lock on this fucking board.
>>545719103why did the devs make the most unfun (for BOTH sides) version of lash the most viable? I don't know a single nigga that enjoys having to be an ult/flog bot OR that enjoys being on the recieving end of that bullshit. The stomp both has a obvious telegraph that no other ability really has and it gets more obvious the more damage it does, AND it needs to have positional advantage in order to get that damage, so why exactly is it the worst part of his kit?
>>545765245>Mirage or Mina with capacitor
>>545768119>FlogbotExplain.
>>545766363>the entire problem with mobasI mean if i wanted fair and honest 1v1s i'd just go play a fighting game desu. That's just the RTS gene expressing itself: every match is a race and if you fall behind you'd better be ready to pull off some annoying ass shitThis game makes people way too tanky with levels though which i dislike and heavily exarcebates the need for lengthy CC when behind
>>545746928>implying valve has the soul to pull something like this offsorry brother but Valve will just keep midboss the same uninteracteable wall of HP that does literally nothing but stare at you mmmkay?? that's how it is with rosh and that'll be the way it is here too.
>>545767738The best Paige's build spirit if you lack skill and a brain you can go shield and heal bot
Melee Paige dude I just had? Balls of steel.Sucked ass and ate shit, but regardless, I respect it.
>>545768362Didn't rosh now start commuting between his roshpits and picking people in the way up and flinging them to the sides? Also diretide rosh was fun as fuck back in the day, I believe they could do it if they wanted to. It wouldn't be very complicated either, it's not like they're summoning ragnaros, it would still be a big HP wall except it now causes disruption through throws and delayed AoEs
>>545767738you simply don't know what you're talking about. If you're playing Paige then your frontline is already playing around your shields. Being able to double the shield on a specific teammate feeds into her role.
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>>545768979Build? I keep dying as Victor.
>>545768362Midboss wishes he was as cool as Roshan.Roshan at least leaves his hole and flings people around if they get in his way every 5 minutes
>>545724543>im now in Emissary>feels like my teammates keep getting worse and worse but the enemy team stays the same skill level>every game has a lane going 0/10+ in laning phaseholy fuck this shit sucks down here. i should have just made an alt to try out new characters
Do accounts become gimped at a certain point?I made a smurf and its now at a higher rank than my main. Climbing to almost Eternus was easy because my teammates had functioning brains and used the mic to communicate on whats up or what they want to do. Just played a game on my main and my Viscous in lane kept charging into bebop and mo, my mcg could not wall for shit and mina was permafarming/trading death for waves. And again, mics were used to bitch.
>>545733542is that the fucking long quiet
>>545733542What is this post? Why does it have so many replies?
>>545768687yeah but that was after about 10 years of rosh doing nothing but slap you in his cuckcave (also doing a nothingburger splash of damage too)at this point i doubt they'll ever touch the npcs in the game because both it is easier and people say it's a "nice break from the overwhelming parts of the game"
Can I not buy Refresher on Turretginnis?? Wouldnt it be good?
>>545768979FIVE spirit burns btw, if you’re wondering how I lost this. That and an actually incredible Lash.>>545769143Ended the game with>Torment Pulse, Rapid Recharge, Greater Expansion, Superior Cooldown, Leech, Juggernaut, Ethereal Shift, Boundless Spirit, Healing Tempo, Spellbreaker, Spirit BurnEth Shift is the best item you can buy on Vic and a huge powerspike. Will grab the buy order in a sec.
>>545769575artists interpretation of a leaked deadlock character model (allegedly)
>>545768296you build into flog because it's both the strongest damage ability lash has and also the easiest to pull off. you don't need to waste stamina or resources getting up high like with the stomp, you effectively can't get counterparried or schmovement out of the damage with it, AND it also gives you some hp back to boot.
>>545769638Refresher is only good on ult spam characters, mcginnis has arguably one of the most pathetic ults in the game so no.
>>545769650Ah shit forgot pic again.
>>545769810>you build into flog because it's both the strongest damage ability lash hasNo way.
>>545755469you guys need to understand, the first build people try to make work on every character is a gun build, because its the most straightforward and easy to build, by this point most characters guns have been nerfed because they were not designed to build gun, lash used to and it was busted
>>545769638just buy echoshard insteadhonestly i don't get why they changed it so that you can only use it with one ability, fucking nobody uses it now>>545769890you don't get cucked out of damage by high skill players, it helps you WAY more than any other ability in your dogshit lane phase as lash, it gets some good damage and you don't have to burn resources to use it like with the ult or stomp, nevermind that the ult is so buggy you won't be able to actually use it half the time and the stomp has been nerfed into the ground a hundred times by now too (alongside the map changes specifically nerfing lash of all people)
>>545769109>>545769650Here. Think I sold cultist for Eth, and reactive when I grabbed healing tempo. Should have grabbed Eth sooner but was slot locked and dragged my feet.
>>545770185>high skill playersOh, I'm in Arcanist, I have nothing to worry about. I'll just keep on slamming.
>>545757256i mean yeah? i'd like valve to take their settings seriously at least ONCE after they've released portal 2. why do you think so many people were against the chibification of ivy and viscous?
>>545756931they're saving that for the cosmetics sadlysame as with geist not getting visibly older the lower HP you have
>>545770430Ivy and Viscous are supposed to be the rare good-aligned characters anyway. Half or more of the cast are at best morally bankrupt or at worst psychotic murderhobos, getting angry that there's like two characters that are>We just want to be friends :)Is dumb.
>>545760728seven is the only character lash fears/respects enough to correct himself when they talk to each other, even for drifter lash insists on calling him something else
>>545769109>>545770292And here’s my actual build. Early Game is built left->right with Healing Rite being very optional, and Reactive, Spirit Shielding, or Healbane (one of, depending on need) sitting around extra charge/monster rounds. Then Mid, L->R. Then late game is very flexible. Usually Eth shift first, then one or more of bullet res/plated armor/juggernaut if gun heavy match, then whatever I feel like/need from the lategame section.
>>545757013I dont get the pun
>>545771063ESL moment.
>>545770740I don't mind viscous being like he is now because he's effectively an alien and him murdering people with glee isn't really that far off, it's the "sea monster with a heart of gold and innocence of a child" juxtaposition that works. Ivy killing people is pretty fucking weird though considering she apparently got rid of the mendoza syndicate without doing this (?????? it makes no sense but okay) and all because she uhhh wants a job i guessthe paige is out here just having dota tier psychopath lines except the patrons here aren't mindcontrolling everyone like in dota so she really has no excuse to be this happy about literally burning people to death
>>545770858NTA but no radiant regen? I find it great on him especially since it offsets the jumpstart self damage
is cheat death any good on victor?
>>545772073If you died twice you'll most likely die a third time.
>>545772073It's funny.
>>545772073>items gimps your 2it aint good peridot.
Infernus is so fucking boring I don't think I'm going to bother getting an up arrow on him.
>>545727452>>545727638It's not "matchmaking" at to blame that you lost, you're always going to have matches where you can't winI hope you realize that only 1 team can win and that if you get a match that there's a 50% chance that some tilted guy gets put on your team and not the enemy's
>>545770858Could you explain how to use Ethereal Shift as Victor?
>>545769382every eternus player that smurfs has said the smurf climbs to eternus super easily because the initial account gets seeded at a certain rank if you take too long to rank up, the truth is if everyone made a smurf they would probably be capable of a full rank higher on it than their main
>>545773116use it when you're about to die and you don't have any battery or pump it charges, the stats you get from the eshift make it worth it. worst case scenario you're still forcing the enemy to waste even more time killing your ass
coached by Deathy or coached by Metro?
>>545773592please be joking
>>545773393>the initial account gets seeded at a certain rank if you take too long to rank up, the truth is if everyone made a smurf they would probably be capable of a full rank higher on it than their mainThis is how every competitive game feels, in ow it took me years to get out of plat but then I just spammed hanzo I was right back at masters in very few games. smurfing doesn't prove you are le stuck at your le rank because you le belong there it just proves the systems highly favour fresh accounts so if you learned the game on that account you're shit out of luck and are going to need to work twice as hard as a smurf.
>>545773592coached by your dad on how to fuck your sister
>>545773675yeah I want to be clear also that only applies to people that have a lot of games and solo q only
>>545773692Lisa the Painful ahhh post
>>545773692Is this supposed to be some epic own?
>>545773651both are overrated agreed, but you must pick one.
>>545773592it should be deathy on the prinicple that otherwise you would be giving metro money, regardless of the fact hes a fucking retard and he only knows how to play one type of character
>>545774014I like deathy more and think hes betterFor that reason I choose metro and I try to subtlety troll him the whole time
>>545774296You just need to point out every shit suggestion he makes and ask him if he's testing your knowledge or something along those lines to bruise his ego. That pisses him off fastest in my experience
>>545773592Even if you ignore their personalities, Metro has abysmal macro and only wins by playing m1 hypercarries (and smurfing).
>>545773592Yoshi. streamers can die
>>545776764>streamers are dumb they dont know what the hell to do>ill listen to the dev that listens to streamers for balancing inputs instead
Dear Lash, I wrote you, but you still haven't visitI left my cell number, the prison, and my name, you couldn't miss itI sent two letters back in autumn, you must not've got 'emBut I sent those outta Jersey so that must've caused a problem.Sometimes I scribble addresses wrong when I jot 'emBut anyways, fuck it, what's been up, man? How's the arena?I get in fights too, that's why I got arrestedIf I break out, guess what I'ma do? I'ma see you fight.I read about your fight with Bebop, man, I'm sorryI had a friend kick my ass over some money, I didn't pay 'em.I know you prob'ly hear this every day, but I'm your biggest fanI even saw the underground shit that you did with MendozaMy cell is full of your posters and your pictures, manI like the shit you did with your uppercut too, that shit was phatAnyways, I hope you get this, man, hit me backJust to chat, truly yours; soon to be free, this is V.
Man Billy is fun as fuck why didn’t I play him earlier.>>545771973Sorry had a long game. Only if I’m struggling early.>>545773116When you’re about to die, or about to get hit by a load of big skills. Its an invuln state that keeps your 3 active.
>>545771973>>545777135To add, only if I’m struggling early because in the mid-late game, your other sources of healing outscale it, and it lacks extra stats and effects besides healing, so I personally prefer not to grab it unless I’m getting my shit kicked in.
>>545777107Why isn't this in the game? Is she not animated yet?
>>545777410cause it looks worse than current Vyper.
>>545772668>it's not matchmaking to blame when I'm paired against 2 oracle 5/6 that stomp the lobby
>it’s another episode of we CALL to go mid and our guncarry decides to 1v3 ahead of blue lane instead
>>545777410They are apparently scrapping the cobra design. I hope they won't make Vyper a medusa.
Prospective Billy build after 1 match. Thoughts?
>>545778291Lifestrike should be a laning if you're struggling, spirit strike isn't that good you can just skip straight to spirit snatchDrop hunter's aura since he is better suited for team fights instead of picking off stragglers Might want to pick extra charge for his bat so you can use it more during fights Rest is alright, just play him more until you get a feel for what items work best
Do you guys ever sell fleetfoot or do you keep it even when you’re mostly T4s? I don't usually play gun characters.>>545778870Thanks, I'll drop hunters for rapid recharge and move lifestrike up.
>>545779428>>545778870Actually would it be a mistake to slap heroic aura on in place of hunters? In gun heavy games. Since he’s a teamfight character.
>>545778048oh boy I hate reruns
>>545779428Idk game never lasts that long
Never ever ive played an online game where people said “yep, the matchmaking in this game is good!”, and that makes me think that people are just annoying and gay and the problem is not the matchmaking itself.
holy fuck weekend NA is so bad.
>>545779617I dont think so but Im a Hunters aura hater
inhouse when soloQ is miserable midday NA.
So why the fuck do Mina players always backpedal to just buy slowing hex when people bitch about her dodge like debuff remover doesn't exist?
>>545778291Looks great bro
>>545779428When games last long enough that you are thinking about selling fleet foot so you can have space for a t4 active, you need to decide whether or not losing a chunk of your movement speed (especially when shooting), is worth whatever you gain from the t4 active. Billy likes mobility (but who doesn't). His 2 and 4 require you to be in the right place at the right time, and speed helps with that. I also don't play gun characters so I don't know off the top what t4 actives would be worth selling fleet foot for.
>>545780805forcing a Mina to waste a slot on debuff remover is already a victory
>>545778291>no maj leap shadoweave combo bound to 1 keyIshygddt
>>545780805Mina wants damage, if she doesn't stay on top of damage she doesn't really do anything other than look pretty.
>uh actually winrate balancing is badWhat level of irony is this?
>>545780763host eet
how do i make ivy not hit like wet paper before 8+ items? hollow point?
>>545780354Its quite literally a solved issue for decades but midwits think they can "improve" everything and that negative tradeoffs aren't a fundamental reality one has to deal with
>>545781383don't buy weapon damage just buy fire rate, ammo and tesla
>>545781248Ah yes mina and shiv totally need buffs right now
>>545781383Burstfire into capacitor then get damage like hollow
>>545781383Just do Lightbringer's Ivy build. It's pretty much solved, although I believe it's got a few unnecessary items you could skip. She starts doing good damage the moment she gets Tesla.
>>545781248Mina has a negative winrate in eternus, lower than Vyper (who sucks)>>545781383Gun Ivy's whole thing is turbofarming so that she's 20k ahead of everybody else
>>545781584I see, so its transcended conscious irony into an internalized retardation
>>545778048>get the main character of this episode on the enemy team>RAPE their team on victor going 13/4 with most player damage>”just hit victor 785 times. balanced” the hazigger saysthis rematch episode was kino
>>545781693Perchance mayhaps she sucks? You know, considering all the loses
>>545782010>>545781848ieslb
>>545782010She's fine despite the winrate. Perchance think for yourself
Drifter has a higher winrate than Infernus in eternus
>>545782140You're the esl if you didnt understand that pedro
>>545770858Thanks. I applied your advice to my build and I've been having more success as Victor. I also might have just so happened to have been getting carried for the last 2 matches.
so what I understand is we need to buff Shiv ASAP
shiv players deserve the guillotine
need aram game mode
>>545782481I am, perse. I just think that winrates contain all the data within the match, and she is losing so obviously something is causing these losesI suspect its not actually "difficultly" because let's be honest, she is not difficult. I suspect its her low hp, which the general population seems to be incapable of processing. They see good damage and think "that means she's good">>545782494Drifter is better than infernus then, simple as
>>545780354>>545781459I'd like to remind everyone that the biggest reason that the "it's matchmaking's fault! forced 50/50!" narrative took off is because of fucking CoD streamers spamming it and their braindamaged, subhuman retard audience parrot it withoutAs we all know, all anons are playing at peak Johnathan Wendel levels at all times and if they get a bad teammate or hard opponents, it's the matchmaking system specifically targeting them to keep them from achieving rank 1 where they rightfully belong.If you've ever looked at a bad teammate's history, often times you see that the game you played with them they just happened to play bad, which happens to literally everyone, there's exceptions of course like smurfs and boostees but those are exceptions.
how the fuck do you fix net jitter11 games completely fine, but this one is shit
The issue with IceFrog making dota(3) accessible to leaguetoddlers is that everything gets compared to league. Some twitterfag leaked another new hero that's just Pangolier but they use all these league terms to describe the abilities.
>game starts>gt pauses>thanks guys I have to hit a dabjust remove pausing, you fucking retards cannot be trusted with the privilege
>>545782717>Most souls and most player damage on the losing teamYou love to see it.
>>545742131>lolJust a random emissary match I played yesterday.
>>545782729Agreed, I know a lot of people its played marvel rivals for 2 weeks months ago so this may be upsetting, but win rates are the quantification of balance. Dota has had tighter winrate spread than league and thus more viable draft picks for the entirety of its existence. Its not debatable(at least in good faith)
>wah mina has negative winrate she CAN’T be good>third highest pickrate btw nullifying that data>always picked in tourneys>every eternus player hates this hero>every pisslow player hates this heromina downplayers are genuinely deranged, and we have this conversation every thread>b-b-b-but she loses a lotEVEN if she was bad, it doesn’t change the fact that she is the most cancerous unfun hero to play against, more so than OP seven back then, infernus, victor, wrigger, haze in any capacity
>>545783024league is just Dota with skill shots. Deadlock is dota with skillshots, thus deadlock is league
>>545783132my favorite part is when people willingly, knowingly queue up and then pause as soon as the match starts to apparently go to the bathroom. These people are physically incapable of planning more than 30 seconds ahead.
>had to lane against infernus/minamost boring/cringe lane i could come up with
>>545783427I think what you are trying to argue(very poorly btw) is that aggregate winrates are garbage, which is true. But this is different than saying "winrates are garbage for balancing". I endorse anomalous winrate balancing, which is to say that a single player posting the highest winrate should be the baseline for balance analysis. It doesnt really matter if most people cant play properly, what matters is the peak potential of perfect play
>>545783024Why do dotafags always have a stick up their ass about league?I've never seen a leaguefag bitch about dota so why do you even give a fuck about some normalfag game?
>>545783360NPC mindset
>>545783984try holliday doorman against good players
>>545783984Bro your rusted barrel into Suppressor? The answer is in your face
>>545784092people dont understand as well that win rates can matter for certain designs more than others, for instance a very standard character like infernus is way more indicative of issues than mina because infernus is basic, strong at all points, immune to drafting issues and scales well, mina is quite literally the opposite of all these things so a bad draft, a bad early game, a game that goes on too long, can all drag her wr down
>>545784282dying wasnt the problem it was 0/0 for both sides at 14 mins
>>545784113I accept your concession
>>545782917not only did I not get my purple heronot only did I not get my gold herobut my connection gets raped to deathlaunched another game after that shitshow and its 100% fine.I HAVE FIBER AND IM THE ONLY CONNECTION HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS HAPPENI am now 100% convinced match making is just out to rape you to death.
>>545784135ive played against doorman/geist and that was super cancer.
>>545757256The problem is her story setup doesnt fit her current type of goofyness, she should be all panicky, trying-to-invent-answers-for-gunfire-coming-her-way-using-nothing-but-the-books-she-reads-for-children type of goofy, not "im the le quirky nerd girl xddd is that a motherfucking dragon"-league-of-legends type of goofy. She sounds too casual and experienced in killing for who she is, even if she knew shes gonna spill blood when she signed up for the ritual
>>545784095>take most popular custom map>try to sabotage it so your dumbed down, overmonetized version for e-girls and ch*nks takes offyou wouldn't get it.
>>545784736yes, and youre still so butthurt about it youre crying about it in a thread for a different game a decade later
>>545785371because this is a dota-clone made by dota devs for dota players niggerThis is a dota chud neighbourhood KEEP walking
how the fuck do I play wraith? her early game is useless but my team gets steamrolled before I can come online
INHOUSE??????????????????
>>545784736Nobody gives a fuck dude, grow up and just play the game you like>dotafag accusing any other game of pandering to chinkslmao
Need a passive version of colossus move speed and dash distance aura. And just more debuff auras in general. I want to ruin peoples day by being in their general vicinity.>but victor/mo and scourgeI want to do it even more
>>545785546you have legitimate brain damage
INHOUSESMQHRSMQHRSMQHR
>>545785743I not once said I was a league player
>>545785680>>545785743found the league players
>>545785575Split push using your escape and ult to stay safe, and farm like a motherfucker until mid-late, then become a monster.
>>545785873disgusting they walk amongst us now, icefrog gets the nipple clamps in hell for this transgression
>>545785738GIVEUSRADIANCE
>>545786340Torments in your pulse my good sir
>>545785818>>545785873the only dotaniggers left are brown or russian, so which are you
>>545786470>hurr durr ur le brown ur le russian ur le trooner ur le leej player(You)
>>545786470the most powerful race in the world, floridian
>>545782717My favorite moment from that game (other than killing Mina 3 times in lane). It's not exceptional gameplay by any means, but I'm just happy to be able to 1v1 Infernus for once.
>>545786662Florida man... I kneel..
>545786640uh oh nigger meltie
inhouseSMQHRSMQHRSMQHROIL UP
>>545784095League of Lesbians quite literally was born by massively backstabbing DotA retard. DotA was in a way a community effort where a lot ideas came from people posting on a forum called Dota-allstars. This fat fuck p*ndragon shutdown the forum in an attempt to kill DotA's community, hide the theft and benefit LoL of Lesbians. They had the gal to steal everything about DotA but water down the game and make it literal slop for braindead faggots instead of making it an actual stand-alone game. Fuck gu*nsoo, fuck p*ndragon and fuck ri*t.
All MOBAs are trashI'm hoping Deadlock will be the exception
>>545787285You are forgetting them spending countless billions over 2 decades to try and stifle Dota 2's growth and astroturf league's relevancy as a video game online
Deadlock is for Dota BVLLS. Keep walking sissy.
>>545787729I consider that as "just business". League of Lesbians did have an obnoxious ad campaign claiming a 6 gorillion playerbase for sure. It's still nowhere as close of an offense as backstabbing a wholesome chungus community who just love their Warcraft III mod.
INHOUSE FILLLING UP ALREADYSMQHRSMQHRSMQHRSMQHRSMQHRJOIN 8/12
>>545787757are all these dota bulls gonna abandon the game the moment icefrog does retarded patches for 5 years straight like in dota 2?
>>545788473>Dota 2 >Getting patchesMaybe after Deadlock releases. Dota 2 hasn't been a priority for years because of this game
>>545788586yeah and dota 2 has been dogshit for like 8 years
>>545788473We go wherever we want but this here game is for us BVLLS first and foremost. League sissies better mosey on out here while you're still intact.
>>545788473>>545788586>>545788662terrible taste thoughbeit. dota 2 has literally only gotten better. The map is over double the size allowing for much better macro play. Neutrals, facets etc allowing for better and more unique playstyles. The game is legitly peak.
How to scare a 4chan userSpell a word using the letter U
>>545788951Yeah but for like the past 3 years Dota 2 has had like one significant update
>>545788989unigger
ONLY 2 MORE SLOTS FOR THE INHOUSESMQHRSMQHRSMQHRSMQHR10/12
Remove Eomm and delete Yoshi.
I think I'm addicted to veil walker. I just love sneaking around
>>545788662ok boomer
>>545789331Get in the lobby you slut
>>545788586>Maybe after Deadlock releases. Dota 2 hasn't been a priority for years because of this gameIt's the valve cycle, I don't know how people are not used to this yet.>Game comes out, really fucking good, lots of promise too>Amazing patches, constant content, the best shit in the industry by a landslide>Patches start to slow down, hat quality starts declining, more micro transactions>Patches slow down to a crawl, cosmetics abandon all pretenses of aesthetics, artstyle and lore and they're genuine eye sores>Keeps getting worse and worse until they just stop, no communication, nothing>New game comes out>Repeat
>>545789163>both teams phantom 3>somehow he thinks it's EOMMare you retarded
>>545789163>d on team>lose
>>545789463Yes, the retards carried to this shitty rank by op heroes should be spread between both teams, not clumped all on mine.
>>545789574but the enemy team has the pocket abrams paige ivy and infernus
>>545789054Dota 2 can't really be pushed any further. It's (almost) a finished game. Icetoad couldn't do more without making DotA not-DotA, so he did exactly that and went on to create Citadel/Neon Prime/Deadlock.
>>545789331join!!!
>last hitting souls all but removed from the game>lane phase is the stalest it's ever been>no real ganks or deviation from it until someone takes down a guardian>S T I L L don't have any true melee or even unique gunsI genuinely cannot believe the most unique gun this game has is fucking PAIGE'S. Where the FUCK is my flamethrower, Yoshi? Where's my rocket launcher? My nade launcher? Why must the character's kit designs be so cucked by the first 10 minutes of a match of all things?
>>545787285>>545788270Nobody gives a shit dude, you guys a massive inferiority complex against a game for normalfags and women and you come here because you think you have permission to cry like bitches in any valve game thread
>>545789331>running veil over shadowweave on drifterCan't be trusted
>>545789845removing a lane but keeping the side lanes where they were instead of moving them inward completely fucked the pace of the laning phase
>>545789717Which means my team is not using the op broken heroes...
>>545790027It all stems from soul sharing. They should just ditch it and embrace the support cucks instead of genociding them
I LOVE LANING AGAINST MCGINNISI LOVE BEING STUCK UNDER TOWERI LOVE NOT BEING ABOE TO MEANINGFULLY POKE
>>545789886Stfu you zoomer faggot. It's not my problem you weren't here to care. Nobody's crying here, it's only disdain for league of lesbians plebs. Dota will forever be the superior game.
>>545790027they did that on purpose so that you wouldn't be able to gank without basically throwing your own guardian away, since people were complaining about being ganked. although most of the hate seems to have come from the solo lanes though.yes it's fucking stupid and yes it makes solo lanes a fucking BORE to play through once you know how to actually play the game
>Nobody's crying here
>>545790365Lane against a Paige is already cancer even without her keeping up in farm with her carry buddy.
>H-huh I don't have anything to say>Let me do my passive aggressive I don't @you with smug picture>T-that'll show himCan't wait for ri*t to inevitably copy and water down Deadlock into a soulless game like they always do so your kind (gay animals) can FUCK OFF
>the russian smurf keeps talking shit the entire gameman, these people must be horrendously miserable to smurf and keep spamming "ez" the entire matchdude's probably getting drafted and is taking it out on the world
>>545789384>>545789771Can't. I'm going to Holland for a week and need to pack>>545789921You really need some sustain on Drifter early. I do like SW but it's so expensive for what it is. Veil walker gives you good enough roam
Okay, I don't think I'm going to be joining inhouses anymore. Not until I have another 500 hours in this game.
faggot inhouses
>>545792064>going to Holland for a weeknigga didn't you just come back from Japan?
>>545792064I wish i could get value out of raising isolation early but phantom games are massive brool fests so I feel obligated to max 4 & 1 first.How's weighted shots feel? I tend to take berserker over it so I get more value from kinetic dash. One day I'll stop playing purple drifter
I haven't played in over a week how fucked is my rank gonna be
you guys suck at this game. ez win
>>545793481Better than me who has been losing 70% of my games for just as long.
Did anyone get the scoreboard? I wanted to see my damage I've never really played Vyper but the shit was taking like 3 daggers to proc spirit burn it seems like ass
>>545793983fuck you
>>545792064Pack after the games then1!! Also can you post the clip of serenethers eating your ass on ivy
bury nice ready up
Well this was miserable. Especially for me since not only do I suck at this game despite having 600 hours in it, but I can't react to heavy melees in time due to 150ms ping.
>>545793983Open console, select all, copy paste, paste into text editor or whatever, ctrl+f "match " with the space at the end. Voila
If your hero was excluded it lacked enough data also its trash unplayable
>>545792945That was a month ago>>545793427I refuse to play support drifter. I almost always max his 3 first: whether this is a good idea I'm not sure, I just like playing Drifter like an ambusher. I have been considering Berserker, it does give considerable damage but I need to see how often it can reach max stacks in engagements for him. My idea of Drifter is more bursty and in avoiding excessive damage. I can't imagine not playing Drifter without some extra stamina—it's too good for him>>545794042What this one? I'll join if they run late into the night. I plan on sleeping on the way over
theres something deeply infuriating about these terrible paige players shielding themselves on the first wave and running at you like spastics
>>545792064100hp on a 14s cd is not sustain bro
Are there any tanks in the wip server? Like, one’s likely to be added instead of old shit.
>>545795445it scales with level little bro, it's never only 100hp.
>>545795925Idk but im gonna play priest as a tank
>>545795445It unironically heals more than healing Nova
>>545796045Thats what it heals in the early littler bro, it starts at 85
Icefrog confirming that we'll never have a working anti-cheat is so sad. Kernal level anti-cheat is the only thing that works and these retards who don't know computers keep fighting against it.I am going to celebrate with a cake when Icefrog dies and all his terrible game design decisions go with him. You just know the reason this game doesn't have a working anti cheat and never will is because that fucker still breathes. Legit, going to buy a fucking cake. I don't think kernal anti-cheat is right or wrong, I just know it works. Because of course it does.
>>545796426Kernel doesnt work. If valorant was 1/10th as lucrative as cs then it would be just as bad
>>545796426Kernel level won't stop shit and is already incredibly easy to bypass for anyone who wants to. Sure, it heightens the barrier of entry, but it's never gonna stop someone who wants to cheat.Unironically, I think the only actual avenue for anticheat in the future is >>AI shit
>>545796683>>545796735kernel definitely stops the vast majority of cheaters which are browns that buy cheap ones, they definitely cant afford the work arounds either
>>545796415even if you buy it immediately at 3200 total souls you're healing for over 120 per proc, 15 second cooldown.In the same window;>fortitude heals 4% of your hp (out of combat only)>healing nova gives ~90 hp per 15 seconds (roughly double what extra regen gives for an 800 soul buy)>rescue beam heals 5%so yes it absolutely is sustain.
>>545796931And now those same browns can use the kernel access to steal your bitcorns
>>545796735The only thing that stops cheaters is a dev team that is actively working to stop them.
>>545797159jokes on them I have none left
>crashing way more often>getting missing texture patterns on thingsis that the game or is my pc dying?
>>545795213Nah I mean after playing
>>545796426yeah valve is spending millions to develop steam OS and steam deck based on linux so they can put an anti cheat which doesn't work on linux in their own games
>>545797195That's always going to be a cat and mouse game. You're never gonna stop "stop" cheaters.The final solution is either complete and total control of your system and (You) or an automated AI system monitoring each match and nuking anyone who triggers whatever condition they've set>>545797334Validate your install
>>545796683>>545797135>>545796931>>545797159actual fucking retards. Kernal level anti-cheat keeps away about 95% of cheaters and it's not even up for debate. You just know these dumb cunts don't know what they're talking about.>>545796683This is so stupid I have to quote it twice. This nigger animal actually thinks that Valorent and other riot games don't have a better anti cheat. Stupid nigger. I'd challenge you to find a working cheat for any riot game. Meanwhile people in these deadlock threads talk about the various hacks you can find for this game. I've literally asked people to post there hacks. They did. You can't do that for riot games. Meanwhile cheats are so common in counter strike that the community had to take over to make it playable.It's the year 2025. Kernel anti-cheat is just something you need for modern competitive games. Everyone who knows computers knows this. Which is why, when Icefrog dies and we don't have to deal with his bullshit, I am going to celebrate. Because you just know that fucking traitor is the reason we don't have a functional anti-cheat in game yet.
>>545797864why he say fuck me for
Uh oh leaguebab meltie
>>545797485>>AIOh god, it's a nigger. Please, stop playing games and go back to eating watermelon. We don't want you here. Or you a russian, the ultimate nigger?The idea of using a thing that doesn't exist to fix something that's not even a problem with kernel level anti-cheat is max nigger. Nigger maximus. AI isn't magic, you tools know that right? More to the point, giving AI control over bans would be the single dumbest move you could make. Especially when a fix is already so well known.
>>545797934I'm sorry, I thought you were someone else. I'm just lamenting that Icefrog isn't dead and how much better the gaming world would be when he is.>>545798096League has an anti-cheat that actually works. Riot games have had kernel level anticheat for years now. Again, this is not up for debate. Also nothing you do is going to stop me from celebrating when Icefrog finally dies. He's literal poison to every game he touches.
>>545797864tell us where the aimbot haze touched you anon
the reign of melee haze will continue
My wifes boyfriend won't let me play Switch 2 while he fucks her tonight so I'm going to sell all my items and throw a tantrum - Saga
>>545797473The fact that we'll never have an online valve game that isn't infested with cheaters all because of linux is oddly funny. I still blame icefrog.It's amazing just how easy it is to cheat at this game and the fact that it's never going to be fixed is very, very sad.
>Not on yamato>Melty and leavesWho can it be now
>>545798123>>>>redditspacing>getting this fucking mad at the mention of AIKWAB>AI isn't magicYes, I do know that. And unlike you, or other smelly Indians, I have a M.sc in said technology and work with and around it on a daily basis. Kernel level access does not fix shit, anyone who wants to, can, and will, bypass kernel level anticheat, as has been done, and will continue to be done.It helps, sure, but so does putting the game behind a paywall, or making dedicated servers or a gorillion other thingsYou project your ignorance onto me by implying I'm ignorant about the nature of AI when you yourself don't even seem to understand what a Kernel level anti cheat even entails.Do not reply to me again, FAGGOT. I sure as shit won't waste more of my time replying to a retarded dichotomy brain like you uncapable of even entertaining the idea of nuance.
>Paradox gets curse to counter me>I'm Victor>I just keep jumping around her with my aura
>>545798371I don't think you understand how common cheating is in this game lol. But everywhere, seeing as how Haze has a... 75% pick rate? You would think a kernel level anti cheat that works on linux and windows wouldn't be impossible for one of the richest companies ever to make but I also don't really care. It's just a objective fact that games without kernel level anti cheat will always have a huge problem with cheaters.This isn't a debate, these are just facts. You people saying we don't need it just proves that you're okay with cheaters. Which is fine. This idea that we're going to get a working anti-cheat or that they're making strides to prevent cheating though? Stupid. Actual nigger brained. You can't do that without a kernel level anti cheat. Anyone who works on computers knows this. Anyone who argues otherwise is doing so in bad faith.
bro weekend deadlock sucks asshole ngl
>>545799345You aren't ever installing kernel level dogshit on Linux. It will not allow it
>>545798597>Drifter is 1v1ing people >That person has literally 50 hp, the drifter is FULL HP and he did 99.9% of their hp on his own, the drifter is about to kill them and get stacks which is necessary for the hero to function>"I know what to do, I'll not only take those kills (as a support mcginnis), but ALSO wall the drifter so he has no chance of getting them">"And I'm gonna do this multiple times">"And I'm gonna talk shit when the drifter complains about it">"I'm also gonna siphon all the farm away from the victor and wraith">"And somehow I'm still gonna have less impact than the drifter with no items"If you're gonna be a griefing nigger don't act like a victim when you get griefed back.
>ITT, guy who knows nothing about computers and security tells you about computers and securityI want these """people""" to dieEducating yourself is free.
>>545799097Why are russian niggers like you allowed to post online. I just don't understand. You don't know of a single cheat that works on a game with kernel level anticheat. Meanwhile, I can find multiple cheats for any valve game including this one.You are wrong, you think AI is magic, and you are a nigger. Go ahead and dream about AI fixing all your cheater problems. People in the know understand how stupid you are and are laughing at you behind your nigger back. The idea of Valve giving an AI the power to ban people when it thinks its cheating is hilarious though, try that. Let's ruin deadlock even more.meanwhile I just wish we had a functional anti-cheat. Kernal level stuff has been around for ages and works really well when it's being updated. The amount of cheaters in riot games is absurdly low and finding hacks that work on that game and actually help is damn near impossible.
>>545799345>kernel level anti cheat>on linuxso what you're telling me is you're retarded and have no idea wtf you're talking about?
>>545792064>going on vacation againThis is why you'll never reach eternus
>>545799850Sex with Japanese women is much more important than rank in deadlock thoughbeit
>>545799767NTA but the idea of you calling someone else a nigger or Russian is rich considering you can't even spell kernel correctly, multiple times now across several postsIt's kern E l, not A. It's E. Say it with me now: KERNEL, not KERNAL.>>545799948proofs?
>>545799767Is this a thinly veiled request for kernel cheats? Because you are gonna have to buy them like everyone else
>>545799783I don't know shit about Linux. I play games. Why the fuck would I use it or know a thing about it? Meanwhile you retards are saying kernel level anti-cheat doesn't work while larping as tech experts. You are not. You are a nigger defending something that doesn't work.Explain to me though, why does Linux stop there from being a functional anti-cheat? Remember, objectively, no matter what you think or say, kernel level anti-cheat works. It literally stops about 99% of all cheaters and makes the barrier for entry really high. These are objective facts that you are arguing against which makes me think you're just a russian nigger who's scared of tech they don't understand.
>>545799605>melty because he's too retarded to confirm kills and blames it on his teammatesgrimmythe mcginnis was literally at 1 kill and had less souls than both victor and wraith btw so you are literally just making shit up, pic rel proof
>>545800085>proofs?Damn... I got none guess you are right
>>545800129>You are a nigger defending something that doesn't work.Whoa, buddy. Looks like you projected a little too close to the sun there.Maybe you should leave the technology-talk to the grown ups?
>>545800127>but cheatsdon't do this. Deadlock has a thousand cheats that actually work and are free. I also don't need you to link cheats, because I already asked and someone already did a few threads back. Again, finding them is pretty easy.Although desu yes, if you have any cheats you know about that are cool I'd love to see them. The work the community puts into the various hacks is really neat and allows for some hilarious things.>>545800085i don't care about kernals go get raped you dumb russian nigger. go pretend AI is going to put a stop to cheating and tell people that. I want you to out yourself as a dumb nigger russian.
>>545800129Linux anti-cheats only have access to the user space, there is a shell that prevents access to the kernel space and ultimately even if the end user installs something there they can easily spoof around it. The only way you are gonna enforce it is through having control of the UEFI which is unreasonable for obvious reasons
>>545800173Said victor was literally complaining on the discord about the mcginnis taking the farm which I saw him doing a couple times, mcginnis had less souls because he's an useless retard.>can't confirm kills>when I'm right next to the target>when the mcginnis uses wall to split me from themlolTaking kills from the drifter that had one bullet of hp left, sure, it happens, but if you're gonna act like a piece of shit and do it on purpose while talking shit on mic then nah, you're gonna reap what you sow, and I WILL do the exact same thing if you do it again.
>>545800375Again, kernel level anti cheat just works. Repeating yourself isn't going to make it less effective or you less retarded for thinking otherwise.It's shocking how dumb you russian niggers are. You have a thing that works, that everyone knows works, and yet you pretend otherwise. It's hard to argue with you in good faith when you reject reality. Let's go slow though.A: Kernal level anti-cheat works.B: There is no B. We already know it works, what the fuck is the debate?nothing you do is going to stop me from celebrating when Icefrog dies. I blame him for you existing and being a part of this community. Actual russian niggers infesting this game like cockroaches. its so sad.
>>545800459kernels*>I want you to out yourself as a dumb nigger russian.You've already outed yourself as wildly unequipped for this conversation multiple times now, thoughever. We're done here, pack it up while you still have a shred of dignity left.Try picking up a book or two, maybe read a paper. It clearly wouldn't do you any harm>>545800773Xhe has no idea what any of those big, scary computer-sounding words mean, anon.
>>545799948there are Japanese women in holland?
>>545801048They are talking about how he went to japan recently anon
>>545800878both you and the victor are lower ranked than me. I don't care what either of you retards think or post in your transcord
>>545801235B-B-B-Based!!
>>545800773Thank you for posting something that's useful to know and not retard shit about AI being magic. This is very interesting and it's nice to know a legit reason for them not using a working anticheat and knowing the reason while they'll never have one. I'm not educated enough to know why you can't just... go through the shell but I'm not going to pretend to know what I'm talking about. It's easier (apparently) for people to cheat on Linux, steam decks use linux, this makes sense.This retard shit that russians spew about AI being a magic bandaid to catch cheaters is so fucking stupid that it hurts. Or that Deadlock is somehow going to have a working anti-cheat, which apparently it never will.I guess the next step as a community is trying to find a way so we don't have to play with cheaters. CS has it's own servers from my understanding. TF2 you're basically forced to play with friends cheating is so common. Not sure what options are open for deadlock but still.
>>545800929>kernal anti-cheat worksKEK
This is Saga on his main against a drunk on drifter >>545719529This who is having a meltdown and griefing
>>545801235You are literally an archon/emissary shitter lmao
>>545801590yeah but aint he some mystery meat american? SG is pure blood european it's not a fair comparison
>>545800948*Kernaldumb ass russian niggers. It's impressive how dirty you are. It's funny too because you know I'm right. Kernal level anti cheat works. You know that. Stop pretending otherwise.
>>545800929>kernel level anti cheat just worksOkay now show me a kernel level anti cheat that cannot be bypassed in any way.Oh, you can't? Because they all can - and will be bypassed in a matter of days after being released?Okay okay, fine, that was unfair because it actually required you do to something of substance rather than spout buzzwords - how about you show me a third party investigation into the effects of kernel level anti cheat?I'll even get you started on this one: DOI:10.1145/3689934.3690816Since you're so well educated on the matter of computers, surely you recognize that, right?
>>545799948are the Japanese women in the room with us right now?
>>545801947No they are in Japan which is why I must go there multiple times a year
>>545801947There are no women on 4chan, especially not Japanese ones, and ESPECIALLY not in the Deadlock general
>>545801590tbqh walling and taking kills from a drifter on purpose IS griefing and if people are fine with that then running it down, hooking teammates to stop their kills, refusing to help the team and so on should also be ok.if you enable this behavior then it's quite the ugly slippery slope.
>>545801760>. Kernal level anti cheat works.In the context of some make-believe anti-cheat you've made up called "Kernal level", then sure.Kernel level, though? Nah
>>545800929>kernel level anti cheatso why is there still cheating in Valorant then?
>>545800878your discord boyfriend is also a lying niggerhe can bitch and cry like a baby but the stats don't lie, mcg didn't confirm any kill and barely touched jungleIN FACT he touched farm the LEAST of anyone on your team, including YOU and you sold all your items like a bitch later ongenuinely get a grip you fucking bitch, to mald this much over an inhouse and on top of that BE WRONG ABOUT IT is a fucking embarrassment
>>545802186How many times did he take kills on purpose though?
>>545801551>>545801551It does, you being a russian nigger won't stop that. It's insane the number of hackers it prevents. You clearly don't know what you're talking about if you think otherwise. Educate yourself.>>545801815russian nigger keeps typing. Again, you seem to think this is a debate or an argument. It's not. You can find an article about how kernal level anticheats don't work. I will be willing to read it. You won't read the countless articles that show kernal level anti-cheat works though.Does kernal level anti-cheat prevent 95% of all hackers? The answer is yes. No words will change this simple fact. Is it easier to find hacks for valve games then riot games? Yes. No words will change this simple fact. If I was wrong, and kernal level anticheats weren't the most effective way to stop cheaters, I would say so.non-humans like you being allowed to post online is fucking sad. It's even sadder because apparently someone who is actual sorta smart seems to understand that the reason we don't have it is because you can't do kernal level anticheat for Linux, which is what steam decks run on. That's very simple to understand.
Cute ixian girls when.
>trooncord drama>inhouse dramaI give this general 3 weeks. It's been fun knowing you guys, why can't these ""people"" just play the game like normal human beings.
>>545802545This shit been going on since like August of last year bro
>>545801645still higher rank than both of you so my statement stands nigger. Take a seat when you talk to your superiors you better lower your tone
>>545802341No anti-cheat is perfect. This is well know. Anticheat, especially kernal level, exists to make it as hard as possible. It's a cat and mouse game - but the difference between catching 95% of them or none of them is huge. It's hard to understate how effective it is.Imagine how bad cheating would be in Valorant if it didn't have a working anti-cheat lol. It'd be like Deadlock. Everyone would be using one because assuming everyone is playing honest makes you a retard. Hell, back in the say, League had map hacks that let you see out of the fog war. As far as I know, we don't have that anymore. I'm a bit dated on my hacks though so...
>>545802870What rank is Saga?
>>545802518kernel*>You can find an article about how kernal level anticheats don't work. I will be willing to read it.I literally posted a paper just now in my previous post, you moron.>You won't read the countless articles that show kernal level anti-cheat works though.Post them. Note that they have to be done by an independent third party. I'm not going to read Riot or EA autofellating themselves.
>>545803012KEK
>>545803094Ain't now way this the guy crashing out after he can't carry a game when he's fed 20 times in lane by new players on Yamato
>>545802840It's been getting worse. It's going to reach a critical point like it always does. I've seen this too many times, in too many generals.It's over, nigga
is there an inhouse going or are you just posting about a d*scord
>>545803285there was one, idk if a new game started
>>545803285In a game right now but it might end in a few secondsSMQHR
Sorry had to win it for Raivas ego.
2 slots left for inhousersSMQHR
When are they gonna add the Fortnite radial audio indicator so I can play with music raping my ears without being at an innate disadvantage?
>>545803052If you think kernal level anti cheat is something anyone can just "get around" with a few days work and that it does nothing to prevent cheating then I really have nothing to say to you. You do not live in the real world and you know nothing about tech. You readily admit to refusing to read articles about it working and that you won't accept them.You are a dirty russian nigger and I honestly wish you'd kill yourself. You don't live in the real world and the real world would be better if you were dead. Anyone who knows anything about games knows that kernal level anti cheat works. It's not a debate. It's just a simple fact.Anyways, kernal level stuff doesn't work on Linux apparently. I know you didn't know that, because my god you're fucking dumb, but apparently that's the reason we won't have one. Which sucks for Deadlock because that's the only way we're going to get a functional anticheat.
>>545802545I will never ever join an inhouse game after seeing this thread
>>545786715>Infernus without his 2Didn't count.
>>545802518kernel level anti-cheat is the most effective currently used solution yesthere are still cheaters of course but the difficulty of creating the cheats and the price of those cheats causes it to be much rarerthe problem with kernel level anti-cheat isnt really to do with cheaters its to do with privacy and securitywhich of course doesnt really apply to windows users since they are already using spyware but>having to trust 50 companies with kernel level access to your pc (and in the case of riot vanguard; 24/7 access)>having to trust they dont push an update which renders your PC unbootable>having to trust they dont push an update which introduces a backdoor (this happened with genshin impact if i remember correctly)other issue being compatibility accross operating systemsto avoid being overly technical creating a kernel level solution for linux is difficult because the kernel is more easily modified and linux isnt a single operating system; every distro of linux has its own kernelso checking each kernel for modification is just a stupid task that likely wont work regardlesspersonally i think the future is server side AIAI gets 24/7 training data from cheaters and non-cheaters and thus can spot the cheaterspractically the same as having professional players looking at every player and every matchavoids the compatibility and privacy/security issues because its all on the serversupposedly thats what valve is working on but there are other companies aswell for example: https://www.anybrain.gg/as it stands not good enough yet though
>>545803995I want a trans GF who plays deadlock...
>>545803880>no articleOkay we're done here.>Anyways, kernal level stuff doesn't work on Linux apparentlyAgain, you're projecting. Not everyone is as technologically dense as (You)Reflect on this encounter.
>>545804115don't reply to my postthe only thing less appealing than a tranny is a chaser
>>545804083Be careful, he's gonna get an aneurysm if you mention AI infront of him. I've already done this song and dance.
Who the fuck is this Yamato retard?Kick him
>>545800878the only reason I had more souls than the support McGinnis as Victor was because of the clean up at the end where I got a bunch of kills + the bags + all the solo souls from the minions. I was able to afford like three or four T4s out of it
>>545804083>>545804083I'm not sure what I think about your post yet, but thank you for it. I have to ponder this frustrated. This is all fascinating stuff though.>kernel level anti-cheat is the most effective currently used solution yesHonesty is so nice to see. In your opinion, are you for or against kernel level anti-cheat in games? If you're a linux gamer, wouldn't it make more sense to be against it so more games are compatible with your system? I'm not trying to make a point here, I'm just curious about your thoughts on it. I know people also hate the safety issues with it but those always seemed so overblown to me.Do you have any hope for Valve to improve there anti-cheat? What about using AI to "help" with it? What would that even mean? again just wondering what you think, not trying to prove or make any points.>>545804221agree with me more, you russian nigger.>>545804376oh god you're an incel too oh geez.
Hey guys it’s my first inhouse! Yamato main and cant wait to play
>>545798123>>545799767AI is relevant regarding anti-cheat you reddit spacing giga retard. Anti-cheat that isn't actual super invasive fucking spyware like you advocate for relies on statistical probabilities. Guess what AI is built on? Probabilistic models, dumbass.
is this true?
>>545805045I tried, bro. He doesn't know shit about ML, he's just a buzzword spouting moron. He sees the word AI and goes mental.Probably doesn't even know that Valve has been working on it for years with Overwatch on CSGO
>>545805045Are you the retard russian nigger? you said you would stop talking to me. Please do what you said you'll do. You dumb russian nigger.For the smart person though, and again, I don't want to argue or debate with him until I understand him a bit better, but I wonder why he thinks AI is the future for anti-cheat. It seems to me that it'd be the easier thing in the world to trick. Plus, giving an AI control over who to ban seems risky? Easy to get a bunch of false positives?Again, for the smart anon and not the subhuman who said he'd stop talking to me. Detecting impossible movements is something we can already do. So what does AI offer that's helpful when it comes to catching cheaters? Honest question. What issues does it solves that kernal level anti cheat doesn't?
>>545805580Ieslb
>>545804748>In your opinion, are you for or against kernel level anti-cheat in gamesim against it for the privacy/security reasonswhich is also why i dont use windowsand why im for server-side solutions (since solutions in user space dont work)all the server-side solutions currently suck shitand the only way to get one that would be anywhere near as effective as a kernel level anticheat would be for it to be using AIhypothetically server-side AI would actually become more effective than kernel levelthe cheaters dont and cant have access to the server-sideso its just up for the AI to be good enough at its job which comes naturally the longer its used and the more data it gains from people playing the game and it identifying cheaters
>>545805580You should sit down and actually understand (to the best of your, admittedly limited ability) how neural networks and ML works.AI, at it's core, was made to recognize patterns, like our human, pattern seeking brains.So you can turn that into looking for patterns of cheating, without any intrusive softwareWas that easy enough for your retarded brain to understand?
>>545805075Actually I play Mina.
>>545803631Times footsteps mattered(in deadlock)?0Times the vibe mattered?Infinity millions
>>545805315>>545805045You know less then I do. Use more buzzwords and pretend you know what you're talking about. It's cute, you dumb russian niggers.>AI WILL FIX ITokay. then use it to fix it.
>>545805909You know ML needs to train, right? It doesn't 'work out the box'.Do you know what an iterative process is? Have you finished high school, even?
>>545803631autistically look at the mini map lil bro
>>545803094>>545803094Phantom 5 after the adjustment, sites don't have the updated rank because I haven't played ranked since, I don't like the meta, I'm obscurus right now.Before that I was emmissary, which happened because I decayed since I stopped playing for a year.When I played the game seriously I was around ascendant 3-4ish.Are you gonna move the goalpost again?
kick this fucking yamato retard
>>545806164Doesn't help if I'm trying to hear some guy doing a Sinners or walking up behind me
>>545805909>>545806210stop spamming the thread please
>>545806292skissue
>Lash ult is STILL a circle and not a cylinder >FUCKING LASH CAN BE TOO HIGH ABOVE SOMEONE TO USE HIS ULT EVEN IF DIRECTLY ABOVE THEM>L A S H>TOO HIGH
>>545805580>Detecting impossible movements is something we can already do. So what does AI offer that's helpful when it comes to catching cheaters?to put it simplyit would be able to tell from the actual movement of your crosshairfunctionally the same as a person watching the match wouldover time it would watch enough cheaters and the cheaters would have to become more subtleit would then watch the more subtle cheaters and figure them out alsountil the point that the cheats have to be so weak that they are pointless to useand like i said in my other postthe cheaters cannot access the server-sideall cheating currently (whether its user space or kernel level)occur because of people getting around the anti-cheatyou cannot get around server-side anticheatits just up for the server-side anticheat to be good at its jobwhich none of them are currentlybut an AI with enough data would be given enough timeit'd just be like having a top 0.1% rank player watching every single player and every single match thats going on
>>545805315Right. Can say a lot of shit about Valve but they aren't taking the easy route like other competitive games devs do. I respect that. >>545805580>>545805909NTA schizo. I literally just told you. Anti-cheat is PROBABILITIES. AI is built on PROBABILITIES. Google how neural network nodes work ffs. The name of the game is to find patterns and isolate outliers with most precision (minimal false positive). If it's successfully fine tuned then it'd require minimal human monitoring. However there is no such thing as perfect but so is kernel level anti-cheat.
Does anybody have any idea why this happenswhy is the mask 3 feet below my character
>>545801645>Namethat album fucking sucks, bro.
inhouse up?
outhouse down?
>>545806735>why is last minute texture erroneously attached to what the game considers the face bone always buggyI truly do wonder.amazed how everyone ITT doesn't have this installed by now https://gamebanana.com/mods/629260
>>545805726How long do you think it's going to take to get an anti-cheat along the lines of what you're talking about, that's actually as effective as kernal level anti-cheat that other games have? Also, I'm pretty sure verifying shit server side has been used forever. It's pretty clear that people use AI as a catch all even when they don't understand what they're talking about. You can see in this thread, people are ranting about AI being a fix it all while not even knowing that kernal level anti-cheat is actually insanely effective. It makes it hard to talk about.So again, to break it down.>Valve games do not have working anticheat because steamdeck uses Linux.>Its easier to cheat, harder to install working anticheats on Linux.>Steamdeck makes a ton of money.>Valve games will not have a working anti-cheat until AI/something server side is capable of being an effective form of anticheat.That about the sum of it? Why uh, why isn't all the game server side then? I mean, lag and ping and all that, I get that. Are there any other issues? It's rare to find someone who knows what they're talking about.
>>545806228Don't flame new players man wtf
games that use kernel level anti cheat>war simulator 1 with $60 battlepass>war simulator 2 with $100 battlepass>wacky minecraft builder third person shooteruhhh
>>545806972insanely vomitously soulless mod
>>545804660Relax bro he's a new player and it's just a custom game.
>>545806962>>545806887SMQHR
>>545806581no, you're just a dumb russian nigger. Also I don't know why you're posting. Someone smarter then you is talking. Read what he has to say. Educate yourself. You might learn something.>>545806504I feel like this leaves us open to a lot of false positives but I also don't want to underestimate AI. It's also not on that level yet, from what I understand, and having everything be server side is ALREADY an option. It's just one that doesn't work for various reasons.
>>545804660kys retardlet him learn the fucking game
>>545807138NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I HAVE TO WIN EVERY CUSTOM IN HOUSE GAME OR I'LL LOSE MY INHOUSE MMR AND PEOPLE ON THE THREAD WILL MAKE FUN OF ME FOR BEING INHOUSE PISSLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Need 1 more young buckSMQHR
>>545804696made shit up again award
>>545800173>>545800878>>545801235>>545801645>>545802870>>545803012>>545803094>>545806210>>545806228>>545807035can you faggot retards keep your interpersonal shit to a discord?
>>545807514I'm not in any vg discords sorry
>>545807497>as many troopers as the victor so you were hogging a lane and taking all the waves>as a support mcginnis>doesn't see the problem with this>still got 2k off neutrals>also saw you grab big bags in front of the carries at least two times and feed themGuess that's why you're emissary.
>>545807310>Someone smarter then you is talking.Who? You??? Kek. Get a grip, retard. You don't know what you're talking about AT ALL.
>>545806998>How long do you think it's going to take to get an anti-cheat along the lines of what you're talking about,personally i have no ideaif i was valve i'd already be training it on all of my gameswhich they might be doing but they dont say shit>Why uh, why isn't all the game server side thenthe game itself being server-side doesnt stop cheatingthe cheats run outside of the gamemost cheating you see isnt due to say someone physically getting into the game and changing some numberswhat they do is they learn what the anti-cheat checks for on your systemmake a cheating program that bypassses those checksand then the cheating program looks at your screen moves your mouse for you and clicks headsif the anti-cheat is on the server side it cant be bypassed this wayit just needs to be good enough to actually detect cheating behaviourwhich again i personally have no idea how much data it would need or how much time this would takebut its not hypothetical; it would work>>545807310>I feel like this leaves us open to a lot of false positivessame thing happens with user/kernel anticheats aswell to be fairthinks the notepad.exe you have open might actually be aimbot.exe so the game force closesetc etcthats just always going to be an issue that requires a support team reading (usually bullshit) emails from people claiming to have been falsely banned
>>545807873>>545808037>>545808046what fantastic discussion going on due to the inhouse groomer trannies
>>545806998>Also, I'm pretty sure verifying shit server side has been used forever.You clearly do not understand what AI is. This isn't a serverside check. It's a network continously monitoring your movements, trained since it's "birth" to find and ONLY find cheaters, usually a specific type of cheater too, you'll have one for aiming, one for movement, etc.It's not about validating packets, like some simple backend if-statement.I'm going to stop being mean now and genuinely try to explain this to you, because I'm getting tired, this is how AI and ML works:Consider this very simple example:Imagine you had a bunch of patients. For each patient, you had 1000 data points, anything from their age, to their height, weight, their race, vitamin-D level, anything you can think of, really.Together with all this data is a simple boolean (a yes or no), does this person have cancer, yes or no?Now imagine I took out that data point - I removed all mention of their cancer, and I asked you to tell me, does this person have cancer, yes or no?It'd be impossible for you to say - it's way too much data for a human to parse, even if I let you see the complete data set beforehandNow imagine I train machine to do that, its only job is to look at the incoming data, and determine whether a patient has cancer or not. And any self-respecting ML algorithmn can do this, especially neural networks - AI.This is essentially ML, what people call AI. Pattern seeking. And here's the kicker, this approach means it can continue to do this for NEW DATA, that hasn't ever been in the data set it was trained onNow imagine instead those data points being a player playing the game. Not only is AI actually BETTER at identifying cheaters (patterns) than humans, but they do it serverside, on any hardware, OS, what have you.
>>545808103How is the inhouse related to anticheat discussions?
>>545807873i'm not the mcginnis my dude>as many troopers as the victor so you were hogging a lane and taking all the wavessounds to me more like you were all too busy brooling like retards while mcginnis was doing what the character does best: pushing lanes2k off of neutrals is literally nothing as well, see >>545802438even the drifter who sold all their shit and bepop who never actually farms because he doesn't really needs to has more soulsyou are just a whiny bitch crying because he couldn't win a meme inhouse match
Would you say drifter m1 is easier to hit than average? I’m an aimlet looking for the carry experience.
>>545808472Just play infernus lmao, drifter needs good aim because he has very low fire rate and very low ammo so every bullet counts, drifter is also kinda dogshit.You hit someone for 0.2 seconds in the body as infernus and that's it, there goes half their hp.
>>545806735It's broken because you don't have the dev hotfix for the mina model that was posted on game banana.
>>545808472>Would you say drifter m1 is easier to hit than average?they're all just as easy to hit unless you're something retarded like Paige. >ermm, is Mccree harder to aim with than 76?No. just track them and shoot them.
>>545808671>bug question>degenerate gooner tranny MUST tell the world he has a porn addiction and has 0 personalityMina and Paigetrannies are the worst posters ITT.
Is there ever a point you should consider trophy collector? Can you make trophy+cultist work? Like I'm starting to feel like trophy isn't for carries but for supports and broolers to maintain income while they skip farm for teamfights and assists, is that right?
>>545808579>drifter needs good aim>even though hitting just a single one of the pellets will deal full damage
>>545809001>Can you make trophy+cultist work?imo. it's one or the otherBoth seems excessive when you're delaying actually useful items that'll win you a fight
>>545808237You very clearly have no idea how AI works. >>545808046Very interesting. It's frustrating though because this feels like a long way off. I'm curious that you feel that it WOULD work. It feels to me like it's solving an issue we already solved, but I guess Linux won't allow a working anti-cheat so who knows.In the end though it's sad because we're not going to have a working anti-cheat for Deadlock for a long, long time, If ever. I mean, I get the hype for AI but this game is being ruined by cheats right now.It's pretty clear that kernal level anti-cheat is the most effective form of anti-cheat. Maybe in five years it won't be but I doubt it. Linux and steam deck being the driving force behind Valve not having a working anti cheat is curious though. I see exactly how that could be a major issue.
>>545808472yes, the way his gun works makes it easier to aimyou should've jumped on the gunman bandwagon before he was nerfed though, his gun is even easier to hit
>>545809250>You very clearly have no idea how AI works.Post your degree
>>545809001Cultist lets you splitpush and clear the jungle/objectives faster.it's almost always a better buy.even in the scenarios you're getting 16 stacks, you could have just probably closed out the game if you spent those 3200 early game souls on an actual fucking item instead of +2 sprint speed.
>>545808945Sorry you don't get hard anymore dude but personally I enjoy spamming softcore porn on an anonymous image board and will continue.>>545809001I've built both on Kelvin when I need to carry a ritualist lobby on the weekdays but I imagine in real ranks you don't want to go both.
>drifterGun? Spirit? Hybrid? Yay or nay on melee items?
>>545809250I did my thesis on MLP's for CERN's research and everything he said is correct bro
>>545809318i miss my trans gf. she broke up with me and I am sad. I just couldn't party like she could.
>>545808348And yet you're as much as a bitch as he is, congratulations.I don't care and I'm not gonna read the rest of your babble, nor I'm gonna read whatever dumb shit you reply with.If you're gonna grief people and fuck up their game while laughing about it in voice then don't cry when they grief you back.Don't want people griefing the inhouse?Well here's a grand solution:>don't grief them at all to begin withYou don't get to be a cock sucker and then act like a victim in the thread, I'm not gonna waste my time playing with someone that doesn't want our success and if I see you doing this I will do it again.
>>545809318>Sorry you don't get hard anymore dudehow mentally ill do you have to be to have this be your first thought when someone calls you out for being a mentally ill porn addict?jesus, too far gone.
>>545809447It's a 3rd graders understanding of AI man. Feel free to post your thesis though, I'm sure it'd be a fun read.
>On a 6 win streakI'm waiting for the eventual loss, but by god but does it feel good. My luck with team-mates is pretty terrible but I got people who can read the map which is so fucking rare a lot of the time.
>>545809676>a dumbed down example made for a dumbass is on a 3rd grader level
>>545809676You cannot even spell correctly nigger how can you expect to me literate enough to read the kind of literature CERN is releasing
>>545809250>>545809676Stfu idiot. His example is on point. You wouldn't even be able to do a linear regression if your life depended on it. Get a fucking grip.
>>545809480that's great bro go here >>>/lgbt/41615999 and stay.
>>545809486>I don't care and I'm not gonna read the rest of your babble, nor I'm gonna read whatever dumb shit you reply with.that's all i wanted to hear, you are just a lying bitch griefing inhouses on purpose because you perceived someone slighting you then circlejerking about it with your discord tranny groupwhat, baby mad he couldn't win with his boyfriend stacked on the same team? mad that someone joked about him being a bitch for complaining about ONE kill? boo-hoo nigger
>>545809672Yeah, it's clear you just have a really small dick and no one can tell when you're hard.
>>545809681I was on a 15 game winstreak the other week until Valve decided to take a bat to my knees and then put human experiments grown in a lab who are barely literate in my gamesNeedless to say I lost those games
>>545809250>I'm curious that you feel that it WOULD workit solves the final issue of anti-cheatswhich is the user bypassing the anti-cheatit cannot be bypassed by the user if the anti-cheat runs on the serverit just needs to not be a retarded dumbasssadly this takes time>Linux and steam deck being the driving forcei mean personally im happy because im not a windows userbut i understand your frustrations; having cheaters in your games is no fun of courseits not like im happy getting aimbotted by a haze either
How is the headshot hit registered on larger gun projectiles, or shotguns? Like will it have preference for any hit to the head, or the first pellet to hit, or the hit closest to reticle centre? Thinking about headshot booster on shotguns and drifter claws and stuff.
>>545810334any pellet
>>545809897Some really dumb faggots here. AI can't do what you're saying you want it to do yet. Kernal level anti-cheat works and is highly effective. No amount of crying because you dumb fucks think AI is magic and is usable right now is going to change that.>>545809815It just proved that the moron has no idea what he's talking about and only understands it on the level that 3rd graders do. You crying won't change that.>>545809824lol. Then don't post your thesis. Who gives a fuck. Simple fact is that AI doesn't work a functional anti-cheat. Maybe it will. Who cares. Kernal level anticheat works now. Living in a fantasy land like you freaks is of no interest to me.Reminder for those in the back.>valve makes steam deck.>steam deck worth money.>functional anti-cheat on linux is hard/not possible.>so valve games don't have functional anticheat.We're never going to have a functional anti-cheat in this game and I am still going to celebrate when the faggot Icefrog dies.
>>545810420Cool, throwing it in the build. Thanks.
>>545810334headshot booster now only works on the center of the spread, just try it out in the sandbox
>>545810123It is a frustrating topic yeah. You either deal with people that think magic exists that will fix the problem just being months away or dealing with the objective fact that you're adding a security vulnerability to your machine to remove 99% of cheaters from your game. Add in the issue with needing it to run on two different OS and it's like...I get it but the game is still ruined by cheaters and it's not going to be fixed because linux can't do kernal level anticheat. Ffs it should not be so easy for me to find cheats for this game. Thanks for listening to me whine.
>>545806465anon what does a cylinder from above look like? The answer may surprise you.
>>545811092Wasn’t there an issue recently where two games kernel level anticheat conflicted with each other? Valorant and I think battlefield?
>>545810671>new technology is bad because... because it ISAllowing cheaters for a game that's not out is literally in Valves best interest because it gives them plenty of free training data, not that you'd understand the significance of that. They did this shit (and are continuing to do it) in CS2, too. A traditional anticheat (VAC) working in tandem with an ML. You realize this is the end-goal, right? Every other dev would be doing this too, if they had the choice between AI or Kernel level.Anyways post your degree and university
>>545809681this but a loss streak
>>545807873>hogging a laneSaying this when talking about Deadlock where going on a lane with someone else actually gives more souls per creep is crazy LMAO
>>545811092>You either deal with people that think magic exists that will fix the problem just being months awayi dont think its magic and i think it will workgonna be much longer than months away though>Thanks for listening to me whine.no problem
>>545811218yeahdont know which way around it wasbut one of their anti-cheats was detecting the other as being a cheat running in kernel spaceso the game wouldnt open
>>545810671I think I get it now. You're Indian. Ain't no other explanation for this level of retardation and kernel level anti-cheat dickriding. Indians love Windows and Linux does not allow it. You sure as fuck do not know why that's for sure.
>>545811692You might be on to something - the first time I've ever seen an Indian not fellating AI.Kinda refreshing, in a way
>>545811692indians love ai though
>>545811308I love how sad and scared you russian niggers get when you realize you're never going to have a functional anticheat for this game. Feel free to make a post when Deadlock has a functional AI anticheat though, I'll be waiting.
>>545811856Indians love dogshit like LLM, not actually useful applications of the technology
>>545811856not when it is against them cheating
>>545811924>still doesnt understandPost your degree
>>545811692Indians are better then you russian niggers, that's for sure. How a people so white can be less human then the most shit skinned of the shit skins is shocking to me. Biology gonna biology though, you can't help what you are.
>>545812201>>545812201>>545812201>>545812201
>>545809486I've been playing literally this whole time you're just seething at some random person. You're throwing a tantrum like a little faggot over a game that doesn't matter. I tried to wall off Seven and he died to it, no I didn't look at his HP nor did I care. I started making fun of you once you went on a rant about how anyone who takes Drifters kills should be castrated. Grow the fuck up nigger. It's a fucking game and you're such a little bitch. Overly emotional people like yourself have no place on the game nor this general.
>>545812193Russia is literally waging a war and genocide and the internet still hates Indians more than RussiansStop coping, Ranjesh. Everyone hates you, especially the poor anons ITT who came across you and your Youtube degree
>>545812193>I was rightHoly shit KEK
>>545745746>It just felt out of place in the context of his burst, being really slow and vulnerable when the rest is real fast and zippy.this is why it carries momentum if you use it in the air and why every pocket buys majestic leap, then it lets you divebomb your impending burst target with a damage amp
>>545811114he meant sphere, lash ulti radius is actually a vertically stretched sphere
