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post your reaction to the deckard being released
>>546266969
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vr doesnt even have games whats the point of a new headset
>>546266831My Meta Quest has arrived, some things i did:> watched /t/ 30Gbs javs on heresphere, damn those japs know how to do hot stuff, it pisses me off is censored> played beat saber, default songs are meh, i'll have to sideload custom ones because I'm getting bored if i dont love the song I'm playing> Downloaded VRChat and joining public instances, I'm too shy while I'm getting used to stuff, looks like I'll have to buy a visor-fan because the heat sucks.> tried to work using virtual desktop for working, so far is nice but again the heat is annoyingWhat other cool stuff can i do with it? for VRChat I dont want to do anything else until I make my own custom avatar on Unity, I have an idea but I have to get decent at modeling first in blender. Thrill of the fight is on my radar as well. Maybe I'll develop for it too, Im a programmer so may as well do something for it.MetaQuest only btw
>>546267683to play flat games, duh
>>546267683vrc gooning, but in higher resolution.I'm just waiting for people to start complaining about "muh compression" when it won't have a display port output.
What would the justification be for the Deckard only having an LCD panel despite costing $1000+
>>546267929would you pay $2k for uOLED?
>>546267683This. It would just be another hunk of junk laying around collecting dust. The problem with VR being dead was never hardware.
Post your nothing ever happens, no reveal at all today, vrg turns into artifact fanbase reaction!>>546268225Majority of VR stuff is for people who only play VRC on weekends.
>>546268225it'll be #15 for me
>>546267975pimax crystal light is 2880, don't know if that's a fair comparison considering all the tech that's on deckard
>>546267701Blade and Sorcery never gets old for me and it's kind of a game that's very easy to get in and get out of, physics-based weapon combat is just too fun no matter how much of a tech demo sandbox game is overall. You can start Into the Radius, it's a wonderful piece of vidya, or do obligatory Alyx playthrough. If you like dev stuff, I found it very fun through years to have my shitty little VR Unity project where I was adding completely random shit whenever I wanted to check how something feels in game. project wingman
>>546268632samsung xr is $1800 with 4k uOLED and has its own standalone compute with eyes+face
>>546267640Okey so im gonna record some people before hosting pypy around 20-30 mins before, if you wanna join us give me a (you) and we sort the timingAlso pypy in 2h remember
Reminder you can bet some fake money on your flavor of deckard copiumhttps://manifold.markets/NathanaelRea/the-next-valve-vr-device-will-havehttps://manifold.markets/Hiina/valve-deckard-vr-headset-release-dahttps://manifold.markets/OlegEterevsky/when-will-valve-announce-a-standalohttps://manifold.markets/NathanaelRea/cost-of-the-next-valve-vr-headset-uhttps://manifold.markets/Noit/will-valve-reveal-any-new-hardwareThe markets are all up as of yesterday, and more so than the last twatter shill meme. So that's... something.
>>546269786>prescriptionsain't that just a separate product?
>>546270982maybe offered directlythey better not fucking use Zeiss if sothat company fucking sucks and REFUSES to take your money unless you go through a good goy process only
>>546269786bro you fucking made these
>>546270982they specifically mean>Prescription lenses - if Valve sells prescription lens inserts as an add-onMight be still overly optimistic though considering valve never sold index prescription lenses themselves.>>546271167I made one of those markets yes.
>>546269786How is eyetracking close to a 50% bet. Some dumbs dumbs about to be holding the bag
>>546271593Prescriptions are a regulatory song and dance so why would they add more chicanery to their plate when others can and have been doing it independently just fine
Remember that nothing will happen in 80 minutes
>>546267701Really dumb question but how do you view 3d videos in VR? Is there a specific app on the store or something?
>>546272195pypybros...
>>546271804it's a prediction market. Go win some fake money if you think you're right. I think 50% is about right, given the hardware isn't that hard to integrate + promise of foeveated rendering.>>546271993good point, though the bigmeme somehow offers prescription lenses on their store so maybe it's not that difficult.
NA Volleyball 9pm EST today!
>>546272371so does meta, they just partner with an online prescription company and have it engineered with a proper mount. I think it's a fair enough chance valve would do similar
mfw japs are an initial launch zone
>>546272702
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>>546269786i learned my lesson the last time we thought two weeks was over...
>>546267701The flavour of the month fps seems to be forefront so give that a go. Another rhythm gave to try would be pistol whip, although the custom songs and maps for it seem pretty meh.
Wow I can't believe nothing happened
>>546274516The announcement that nothing ever happens is in 1 hour.
>>546274516valve does stuff at 10am PDT/1pm EST
>>546274606>>546274636Wow I can't believe nothing will happen
>>546274697Better.
How about some fun forefronting in 1 hour?
>>546274808I will be busy watching nothing happen
Steam Deckard status?
>>546274808sure
>>546273412AAAIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEhttps://komodostation.com/?attachment_id=413748
>>546267701Dungeons of Eternity, Contractors, Blade & Sorcery, Phasmophobia are my favorite VR games. No particular order. Also Bigscreen VR can be fun.
>>725650878well, vros?
>>546275560
ITS HERE ITS HERE ITS HERE THE WAIT IS OVER
>>546275780
>>546274808Only if you carry me
gaben is releasing it because I bought the M5 AVPyou're all welcome
https://komodostation.com/controller_small/https://komodostation.com/frame_small/https://komodostation.com/machine_small/
none this is realI believe none of it
>>546275780>no top straphmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>546276310happening status: HAPPENING
>>546276542never mind the top strap, where the hell are the headphones?
>>546276718quest style prob
>way worse than even gxr>basically q3 with eyeanother 5 years of hardware stagnation here we go
https://www.club386.com/valve-fremont-apu-breaks-cover-on-geekbench-hinting-at-possible-future-console/
>>546276310REMINDERhttps://www.club386.com/valve-fremont-apu-breaks-cover-on-geekbench-hinting-at-possible-future-console/
>>546277103that thing is NOT running vrshat
>>546277103>one of the primary concerns of the index was the need for its users to already have a capable PC>just sell a souped up non power limited steamdeck and bundle it with the headset>>546277176Its for OTHER vr games so developers have atarget to develop for.
>>546277103https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1958024995273068544>Dedicated RX 7600
Well lads, what do >we think?
>>546275780honestly looks real, but could just be a good ai job and downscaled. could it be that there will be a series of headsets being released, like poomax?
>>546277640i feel like it's gonna be barebones VR with the ability to play flat PC vidya, and it might not have anything else to offer aside of that
>>546277640I'll say it again. No top strap? No headphones? Those are going to be the first aftermarket add-ons this thing is going to need for extended wear like I'm accustomed to.
>>546277640disappointment of the decade
>>546277785its from their official japanese retailer
valve. stop. im holding this cat hostage and killing him if you announce anything today. im all in. nothing ever happens
>>546277640No way in hell that has eyes, or any specs of noteIt might actually be an even worse quest 3
gxr is currently the only headset worth buying and it still requires heavy aftermarket mods just to make it usableabsolute fucking state of vr
two more weeks! two more weeks! two more weeks! two more weeks!
>>546278174TODAY
>>546278174TONIGHT
>>546277876can't wrap my head around it. there must be a good reason why those are not apart of the headset.
we waited 7 years for that...
>>546277640that strap looks so shittyand no integrated audio??if the specs arent cutting edge then this is gonna be a dud
>>546278762>and no integrated audio??you'd be dumb to assume this on a valve product at this point
>if the specs arent cutting edge
>>546278834couldn't they have just tore the audio off the index and duct taped it on?
why would you want integrated audioyou are spending money on something that will be inferiori use my airpods when VR gaming
>>546278998on those soft straps?lollmao
>you remember the best part of our previous headset, right?>yeah, the audio. what about it?>remove it from our next generation device
>>546277640What even is it? A fully standalone headset or some kind of thin device that is intended to connect to a PC or the cube being announced alongside it?
https://store.steampowered.com/linux?tab=1separate page for native linux VR games is up
I just hope they'll bundle it with a follow-up to HL Alyx. Did valve seriously slapped a whole new thread on top of hl2ep2 story just to drop it again? Did I seriously got a chance to grab gordon's crowbar with my very own hand and giggled like a retard from excitement only to wait another 15 years? There's a limit to how cruel one can be.
>>546267701Walkabout Minigolf, you can pirate it and play online even
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamframe
>>546278695>>546277640FOR STEAM QUEST
Its up
>>546279571IT'S QUEST 3 WITH EYETRACKING AT MARVELOUS 2K x 2K LCD WITH FOVEATION
>>546279785>>546279571wtfwhere did they link it i dont see it in the store frontpage
>>546279785ACTUALLY UP
HALL EFFECT JOYSTICKSTHIS IS NOT A DRILLHALL EFFECT JOYSTICKS
>>546279571>no finger tracking on controllers>no mouth tracking>shitty quest knockoff controllersjesus christ it's a quest 3.1 rofl who gives a fuck
>2160 x 2160 LCD (per eye)hehehehehehe
>Optics feature 2160 x 2160 LCD panelsit's over...
this has to be a fucking joke im going to kill myself we waited 5 years for this
>Large FOV (up to 110 degrees)bruh
>>546277876>>546279103Looks like it has integrated audio after all.
>>546279103Yeah lol I'm trying to build the mmi hummingbird to use with my bsb2 and now I guess frame users will have to as well
>>546274636Wow I can't believe nothing happened
>>546279914>no finger tracking on controllers> Capacitive sensing for all input surfaces> Capacitive finger tracking
>inside out trackingWill it track the controllers behind my back at least?
At least it's balanced properly unlike the Q3Front is 185g and the headstrap is 245g with battery at the back.I doubt the optics quality is gonna be better than the q3 however so hard sell if you already own one
SAY IT WITH ME NOWOUTDATED ON RELEASE
>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCD<it's LCD>it's LCDhahahhaha they made a fucking Quest 3
>>546280115the whole fucking point of hummingbirds was over the ear positionit's over
>>546280068i kinda hate the idea of buying a new headset with the same resolution of the one i already own, i hope those are atleast better LCD panels and not the exact same ones
>>546279914it has addon port in place that heavily implies lower face tracking addon
>>546280115why thowhy like this?
>>546280228lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7q2CS8HDHU
But what will it cost?
>>5462803941200$ lol
Feels hard to justify getting this over a Quest 3, especially if it's supposedly going to be $700-800 more.
>>546261879>>546280238delusions bros... it's over...
>>546277640seven more years of index baby!!!
https://isvalvedeckardout.com/>still nolmao
>>546280394I think they are judging how much people doom about it being shit before they commit to a pricea quest 3.1 should have a quest 3.1 price
FIVE YEARS WAITNO OLEDNO FACE TRACKINGSHITTY QUEST CONTROLLERS BOUND TO DRIFTCOSTS THE SAME AS 2.5 QUEST 3'SAND ITS BASICALLY THE SAME THINGLOL
>>546279785Unibody but the strap looks very flexible/extendable...I'll take it
>>546277640THE MEME IS OVERAFTER ALL THESE YEARS
my only consolation with this as a BSB2 owner is that thankfully nobody is happy with our headsets
Welp, back to reading if Google and Samsung manage to unfuck the XR, I guess.
>>546269541starting pypy soon, i expect everyone late joining for the steam situation so take it easy https://vrch.at/9r6kwtbu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmKrKTwtukE
>>546280351pls respond...
>>546280510>The Steam Hardware family officially expands in early 2026. So I'll still win some of my fake money.
Apologize.
>>546277965Damn, RIP E
sd card is kinda a an odd choice....otherwise its kinda what i expected a more powerful Q3 with better software and eyetracking, except i also expected oled >>546280463yea its barely an upgrade id keep the Q3 . easier for me to justify since i have a pico 4 which has shit software/games and is much weaker
apology for poor englishwhere were you when Steam VR diesi was sat at home drinking blender fluid when gaben ring'vr is die''no'and you??????????
>>546280891>sd card is kinda a an odd choice....probably a followup to steam deck sd slot for memory expansion
>>546280768Polymarket?
face tracking might be happening, but who cares about it when displays are so low resq2 level PPD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU3ru09HTng
>>546280969Yea, since it's supposed to run flat games as well, it'd be nice to just have a couple SD cards full of different games or just upgrade to bigger ones through it's lifecycle
steam deck for ur face for only $1200 while our competitor blasts the fuck out of our specs for $400 crazy work gg vr is done
So is tethered gaming impossible now or what?
I'm more excited for the new controller.
>>546281029yea wtfcan you plug in a 4090?
>>546281068here come the hype shills
they are so out of touch its so embarrassing
>>5462812261-lane, are you fucking retarded?it's for extra cameras for facetracking vive squidward style
jesus christ it's SHIT
>>546281329Don't care, not buying a Quest :3
How much of an upgrade would the Steam Frame be over a Quest 2?
>>546280970I wish, but I'm americucked, plus there doesn't seem to be anything valve-related on polymarket.
how long does the battery last though?
>>546281410Reasonably big, but unless you're gonna use it standalone to play flat games, you're better off just getting the Zucc 3
Fun forefronting on eu all maps 970
>>54628162890min-2hrs maxI don't think they make batteries bigger than 10000mAhThe 45W input is really nice though. Pretty fast to charge.
>>546281649Realistically if I got another vr headset it'd probably be for VRchat shit
so what's the target market?
>>546281896target market?
>>546281896people with a steam library
>>546281896I genuinely don't know.I guess the Quest audience but there's not much of an incentive to "upgrade" when the headsets are so similar in features and specs.
>>546282053>20% upgrade at 240% the cost
>2160 x 2160 LCD (per eye)>Large FOV (up to 110 degrees)
It has a headstrap accessory and straps for the controllers too
>>546281068The dongle makes me very happy
Everyone who is seething are people who didn't think it would come out and fell for the Zuck meme
>>546281896market?
>>546282150that strap looks like shit
whats the deal with the audio? why can you just use wireless 'pods'/iems
>>546281860The Q3 optic stack is so much better then the Q2, after having put my head in the two one after the other when I brought mine home and compared to my father's Q2, that I'd honestly consider the Q3 upgrade just for games.>>546281896If I didn't have a Steam Deck or Q3 already, it'd be an interesting proposition to have a big screen wherever I go that I could play my flat games on whenever I'm traveling. The target market for this is the people who were making ghetto setups with AR glasses and a Deck/laptop, and getting them into the VR ecosystem to try and expand the market, I guess.
>>546282226holy fucking cope
>>546282096It's going to cost less than the Index.
>>546282226I'm actually glad it came out. I was telling people that I don't care if it's bad I just want it to be over.
>>546282302And just like that, you got outed. Sorry! I'll wave at you in my frame while you seethe about PC Link exploding again
>less fov than indexit's so fucking over
>>546282321How do you know?
>>546282321My bet is it's going to cost about the same. Upgraded hardware - no lighthouses + inflation = $1000
>>546282382broken, mind, soul and BODY.
>>546282412they said "under 1k usd"
Maybe they'll release an OLED version later? Could the dongle, foveated rendering, and connectivity make it a better option than my quest 3?
goofy ass top strap
>>546282226Oh no all the 3 years I've been using my Quest 3 for 600 bucks... wastedI should have stayed on my OG Vive instead...
>>546282412>>546282468https://www.roadtovr.com/steam-frame-price-cheaper-than-index/>during an interview the company told Road to VR that it expects the price of Steam Frame to be ‘cheaper than Index’, without offering much more detail
*sips*>it doesn't need lighthouse tracking>it doesn't need to be x86>it doesn't need uOLED displays>it doesn't need DP input>it doesn't need Index-like finger tracking>it doesn't need knuckle strap>it doesn't need SLAM controllers>it doesn't need a non-hybrid FBT solution>it doesn't need face tracking>it doesn't need Index-quality audio>it doesn't need a new Valve game>it doesn't need a functional OSWE ARE NOW HERE>it doesn't need upper face tracking (not just eye gaze)>it doesn't need to be under 1.5k
>valve: it's less powerful than the steamdeck, deck is 15W and frame is 7Whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7q2CS8HDHU24:10
>>546279103>>546280115Looks like Index remains the loudest
>>546282594Oh yeah no launch title, just play what's already there. Index has gone from being the best VR headset 7 years in a row to the best VR headset of all time.
it is so over im staying on my quest pro for longer i guess
>>546282507Pray to your new gods instead for mercy, fixing terrible software is much more likely then fixing bad hardware
>>546281368thats ~2GBpsmaybe theyll sell a small EGPU that connects to it
>>546282565I keep forgetting that since it came out I can go on what they actually said rather than guesses
>>546282742samezucc the goat
>>546282535looks even more uncomfortable than the quest straps
>>546281649how is q3 better? its a big compromise and all I hear is non-stop bitching about its lack of comfort/ergonomics and constantly broken sf updates
man fuck you buddy
>>546281896No one in particular, everyone a little bit>headset that runs flat vidya on the go>real steam machine that hasn't been tried, i guess ecosystem is their selling point that will fail yet again>dedicated radio for image streaming from PC and foveated streaming bitrate based on where you look, this alone could make it win over any other wireless headset despite seemingly meh specs>expansion slot at nose, obvious face tracking addon in 2 weeks>probably still a decent upgrade over index, except no lighthouseassuming it won't be too overpriced, this makes a bit of sense, though we're the further away from their target
explain why i should get this over a quest pro
Apologize
>>546282853>dedicated radio for image streaming from PC and foveated streaming bitrate based on where you look, this alone could make it win over any other wireless headset despite seemingly meh specsthey added support for all eye tracking streaming headsets in their steam link app so there is no point in grabbing this instead of like quest pro, galaxy xr or play for dream
>>546282853>flat vidya on the goI don't think I'd ever want to have a headset on blocking my vision to play games out of the house. Maybe on a plane or in a hotel room at a push.
>>546282618>43:50>"it does feel very heavy"AHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Monochrome passthroughwe're going backwards now?>Desktop: KDE Plasmawtf? on a VR headset? im using plasma rn atleast ill be able to run KDEconnect to all my shit
>>546282845Comfort is fixed for ~50 bucks worth of new headset and interface, and it has the same optical quality as the Frame. People who let theirs talk to the internet at all are dumb, mine hasn't in 6 months and it just werks as a PCVR solution. The only thing the Frame has over the Q3 for comfort is they were smart enough to move the battery to the back of the headset which makes it more balanced, but conversely means that you're stuck with that headstrap which is probably fine since it looks comfy
>>546283078quest pro is discontinued so you won't get any warranty and they're actually quite delicatet. broken one and got it replaced
>>546283185>Monochrome passthroughWait what? Deadass?Isn't the entire selling point of this thing supposed to be playing your flat steam games on a big virtual screen in your living room?It doesn't even have color passthrough???
I can't believe it's already been 2 weeks.
>>546283185>>Monochrome passthroughwhat nooo
>>546280891>>546280969im getting it strictly for steamos/linux supportalvr is a pain in the ass to work with on quest and requires enabling dev tools on your quest to function. i can trust that valve will have first party support for linux on this because of how much they've contributed to wine/arch for getting steamos to the level they are now, and i trust valve more than meta to not completely fuck methey're still a business with the potential to fuck me, but they haven't yet
people actually buy zuccslop? valve saved the day once again
People actually use passthrough? Don't even bother on my Q3 and the colour is pretty decent.
>>546278013It has eyetracking
i will be playing standalone vrchat on my steam frame and i will be joining pc lobbies you can't stop me
>>546283310>>546283185>>546283162PREMIUM VR HEADSET (TM)
>>546283415>People actually use passthrough?It is incredibly useful
>>546283345What's more impressive is the x86 to arm compatibility layer. That can potentially be a huge deal, not just in vr but in general.
>>546283310>>546283293color passthrough wouldn't work in the dark with their ir emitters
>>546282279personally i tried gaming with BT5.3 earbuds on a pico 4 and it was trash the latency was extremely noticable especially in shooters. ended up connecting a DAC and wired earbuds to my headset. id imagine its the same here BT is probably too slow for gaming
>>546283415You're doing it wrong if you don't take full advantage of the doubletap to side of the headset to passthrough on the Q3, it's amazing for being able to find your drink or whatever without having to use an interface that allows you to peak through the nose or lift the headset all together.
I'm not mad, just disappointed. The leap forward when the Index came out felt like an actual generational leap. These specs barely feel current gen.
I'm glad I bought a quest pro last year instead of waiting for this garbage
>deckard is amalgamation of q2, qpro and q3 lol
>>546283574I usually activate that by accident, got too used to using the nose gap.
I have been waiting for Deckard since late 2022 or so. I do not own any VR headsets.I will be buying Steam Frame.Simple as.
>>546283554You need modern BT LE protocol stuff or whatever the super low latency mode is, makes it actually usable for gaming.
>>546281896Quest 3 buyers with a PC.If this had existed before I bought a Quest 3 I would have seriously considered it. Eye tracking, better controllers, first party addons, native SteamVR and no Zucc are all appealing.
>>546283658>for 3x the price (rumored)
>>546283592For me it's the way it handles streaming.
That was a really long two weeks.
N-Next gen...
>LCD
>>546283738Aye same, but I already have my Quest 3 I bought last year and all the accessories that I don't want to make the switch.
wow im so glad that index will be the best all rounder pick for yet another 5 years
The index wasn't a spec sheet monster when it came out either, it was goated because of the overall experience. Anyone expecting a supe rnext gen enthusiast headset from Valve was delusional.
So does it actually have finger tracking like Index or is this just the same BS other controllers have where it can only sense when you have your finger on a button?
>>546283803now we wait another two weeks for the next gen, which will be at vision pro/galaxy xr level5 years later
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no lighthouses
>>546283162That's just novr necklets. I've been indexing for years this shit will be like candyfloss and clouds
china needs to release covid 2 so I can afford this headset
>>546283927It allegedly has full 5 finger tracking like the index knuckles controllers.
Well boys.Reset the counter, looks like we've got a long road of TWO MORE WEEKS ahead of us until the next Valve headset releases that will be the TRUE sequel we were hoping for.
I'll wait till some vrc addict compares it to the existing solutions the average tech bloggers use vr for 10 min and get wowed - their opinion is worthless
>>546283875>it was goated because of the overall experiencelol!>>546283985>norm is a novr neckletlol!
>>546283162the index is like 810g this is 440g
>>546283592It's about what I expected. What I like though is while the screen is kinda last gen, the video QUALITY will be very high since foveated encoding is built in along with high end wifi. That's the main problem with compressionlets, not the screen. They have the nice screen and then when they're in PCVR it's rendered to mush by compression artifacts and they complain it's blurry.
>>546284098Yeah I haven't even bothered to look at any reviewers like LinusShillTips since every shilltuber is overwhelmingly positive about every single headset that releases ever, and none of them even use VR more than once per year probably to test out the newest headset.
>>546284194>They have the nice screen and then when they're in PCVR it's rendered to mush by compression artifacts and they complain it's blurry.Works on my machine.
>>546283948feel free to glue trackers to it if you want it lighthouse tracked.
>>546282845the optics stack is god tier
>do absolutely nothing for VR in the past two years>still winsI’m sorry gabensissies, but you should never trust an absolute fatso compared over a man whose people were chose by G-d himself.
>you would have to buy the controllers separately and just use them with gxr
Apologise.
me preparing for the steam frame
>>546283162>go to time stamp>he said literally the opposite???
>>546284130>>norm is a novr necklet>lol!Yeah he's complaining about a headset half the weight of my current one. You think I'm not going to call him a necklet?
>>546284343>>546284356
>>546283345im running ALVR on my PICO4 (pc running fedora) and its mostly finestill id rather run something that connects to steamvr directly instead of going though another program.>>546283415its nice for using with immersed , and for gooning to pasthough porn>>546283592it uses adreno 750 GPU instead of the quest3's adreno 740
>>546284426>what is weight distribution?smartest index cultist
So is it better than the Quest 3? Still no face tracking?
it has to be cheap right? LCD, no color passthough,barely newer chipset than Q3it must bee like 500$
>>546284569>still id rather run something that connects to steamvr directlyAre you actually retarded?If I could completely remove steamvr from vr life i would do that in a heartbeat. It's an unironical dumpster fire.
$1200$1200$1200$1200
I'll only buy it if they port CS2 to VR
the only headset ive owned is an index and i recharge the controllers by plugging them in. am i going to have to buy AA batteries every week to feed the controllers?
>>546284386it claims 400g, friendly reminder that index was 700g or so
>>546284721If it's not $500-600 I don't see how the fuck it competes in this space at all.>>546284809Yes and it's way more based this way so instead of recharging every single day you spend 3 seconds opening up the controllers and putting in a new battery every 2 weeks
>>5462825353rd parties might make there own strap and battery solutions as you can disconnect the actual hmd from it easily
>>546284809Rechargable AA batteries exist
>>546284809i just use rechargable AA theyre not expensive and last a long ass time
>finally a VR controller with a normal amount of buttons on it>and it works with steam controller!hey fag just let me use my dualshock 4 in steamvr menus. I already have a controller
>>546284927>>546284809Aye get 4, and just rotate them when they're closed to spent. Works well with quest.
In good news, the XR has no wires in the back half of it's headstrap so people who're coping are already cutting it off and then cludging it onto other straps, so comfort may be less of an issue if you're willing to go that far.
Forget the steam frame and all that, i need a new computer so i can actually run the games on it. But i dont want the steam machine.
>>546284721Got some news for you buddyI wonder if that is the headset only too
>>546284809get some of these
I just want to play Virt-A-Mate in VR
>>546285048Bro AI has eaten all computer parts. You are not getting a new PC. Ever.
>>546284979Virtual Desktop and Steam Big Picture mode.>>546285080That looks cursed.
>>546285016>the XR has no wires in the back half of it's headstrapwe knew that from day one>already cutting it off I suggested that day one
>>546284989>>546285080oh ok thats not too bad then. little annoying to have to make an extra purchase.
HE WONSAY SOMETHING NICE ABOUT HIM
>>546285171>little annoying to have to make an extra purchase.how much do you think fucking AA batteries cost?
>>546284579Yeah. The index has even WORSE weight distribution because all the weight is at the front. You're a fucking moron of the shittiest grade.
well I like it
>>546285048Don't worry the steam machine is here for you to do 4k 60 fps with fsr!
>>546284194>That's the main problem with compressionlets, not the screen. They have the nice screen and then when they're in PCVR it's rendered to mush by compression artifacts and they complain it's blurry.On wifi6 you can easily push 150-200mbps and I really don't see any compression artifacts at all. I can notice like jpg artifacting at 80-85 quality very easily. I guess I'm just in VRChat so there is never really any high frequency noise but I don't think compression is as bad as people make it out to be.I like the number of buttons on the controllers but I wish there was a dial/touchpad for other uses. It will be very bad if you need to glue a vive tracker to it for space calibrator.pr44gw
Never moved on from the index, wont still if this doesn't allow me to use my other steamvr hardware (trackers) without doing some workaround
>>546285048Yeah, that's probably why they didn't go with 4k OLEDs, only 2 GPUs can run them
>>546285180if anything, frame is going to be a quest killer as long as price rumor proves to be an ass pull or as long as price was including steam PC in a bundle
When will Palmer return to save consumer VR?
>>546285180>>546284531>>546283085no readable text, he didn't win shitstop spamming that faggot
>>546285180He won, and made high end PC VR shittier forever because of it
>>546285318No retard it's gonna be like $800 for the standard package.
If I had a Quest 3 or some high end 2k VR headset I'd be disappointed but I don't so I'm happy. My ONLY problem with it is that the built in speakers apparently have a lot of sound leakage since they just blast it into open air instead of targeting your ears, which is going to be problematic for VR porn.
>>546285251its not the price. its just that if i buy a product i dont like the idea of having to go out of my way to buy additional things to support it. its like buying a phone or laptop that doesnt come with a charger cable.
>>546285374He didn't make high end PCVR shittier, he killed it. There IS no PCVR high end. Only gigachads who played of lies and rain can have an opinion on PCVR now, that's my conclusion. Everyone else gets to eat standalone or VRC for the rest of their lives.
>>546285324the judas of vr is too busy helping kikes kill palestinian children
>>546285318>if anything, frame is going to be a quest killerlolit would have to be the same price or less than a quest 3
>>546285406Why do you think people with Q3 are gonna be disappointed?
can it atleast connect to my index controllers and turn my base stations on and off?
quest 3 continues to be the best vr headset, meta faggotry asidenow if you'll excuse me, time to bully children in Forefront in the attack heli
>>546285318Unless devs start porting all the Quest Store standalone apps to SteamVR, the lack of access to all the games that their friends are playing means the Q3 kiddies aren't going to want one.
>>546285582You VILL buy the donglesactually cheap chinese ones are pretty cheap but it's a lot of USB space
>>546285560Wouldn't be too much of an upgrade unless a decent face tracking addon gets developed. Already own a Q3 with accessories including hotswap batteries and have games in the meta ecosystem so I'm already invested a bit.
I like the steam frame>modular headstrap>extension for possible face tracking>installing steam games because steam OS>tracks in darkness>controllers run with fucking normal aa batteries>capacitive finger tracking like index>fov is bigger than index>supports wifi7>brings its own wifi 6e dongleIf they don't fuck up the pricing, this could be it for me. Instant preorder.
>>546284809Just get two pairs of eneloops with a charger bro and while you're at it get two powerbanks, a short cable, and some velcro or something to strap it on to your headset
>>546285750>>fov is bigger than indexu sure about that
Reminder that $1000 in 2019 is now about $1200 today.
I'll just keep getting zucced I guess
new market if you want to bet fake money on the actual release date:https://manifold.markets/Hiina/steam-frame-vr-headset-release-dateAnd here's the price/cost market again https://manifold.markets/NathanaelRea/cost-of-the-next-valve-vr-headset-u
>>546285732You're not really the target audience for the frames then. All it offers is foveated rendering and streaming and more buttons on the controllers for playing UEVR shit.
So is high end VR development dead? It's about selling an accessible but low fidelity experience now like the Quest 2 figured out?
>>546285481>No OLED>No lighthouse option>Quest-tier resolutionIs the only option left really to play Bigmeme RMA roulette?
>>546285048pay 2x for everything thanks to altman scamming everyone
>>546267701install deovr app, go to sexlikereal website, enjoy the 8k vr pornwatch movie streams in bigscreen appplay forefront (by far the most fun multiplayer vr game that just launched, its oldschool battlefield 2 vibes)install mad gov overhaul with NSFW mods for skyrim VR on your pc and stream that wirelessly via steam vrbatman game is also fun and kind of a workoutpersonally I like to lay flat on my back and watch movies its the most confortable, or in a beanbag definitely consider the bobovr whatever the fuck its called halo strap + amazing battery that gives you like 4-5 hours of gaming/movie watching combined with the headsetthat's basically my top 3 activities for me right now, enjoy
>>546285986>high end VR development dead?You're getting those shitty asset flips made in unreal that can only run properly on a 4090 or above. Isn't that high end?
>>546285693i did yeah, i'm a quest3cuck with vive trackers.wouldn't even really mind having the same setup as the quest 3, with a fourth tracker on the frame etc. just wanna get away from meta.not throwing that little bone to lighthouse users would be pretty lame.
>>546285818kinda sureWill see once it is out I guess
>3072 GFLOPS FP32 vs the Q3s 2208.8 GFLOPS~40% improvment basically it has the performance of a desktop GPU from a decade ago like between a Geforce GTX 970 and a GTX 960>>546285750probably me toohowever i think how good or bad this thing is depends 40% on hardware and 60% on steamos so we'll see
>>546285957Aye that's true, hopefully they'll be a good reason to switch in the future or if there's some half step up in a couple years.
>>546285180I still remember everyone was saying that turning headest into a phone with mandatory zuckbuck tie-in would kill the VR
>>546285986It's the only VR market that actually made any money. Countless well made indie PCVR titles died with 10 sales while Gorilla Tag keeps making gorillions.
>>546286262it did
>>546286262It did though, the headset we're all excited for is literally designed to play flat games
>>546286185I would unironically suck Zuck's cock before purchasing and trying to fucking set up 6 fucking sensors around my room, the in-out tracking is perfectly fine and I have never had any issues, just buy the quest 3 faggot and you wont even have to worry about tripping on cables all over your room
>>546285152>Virtual Desktop and Steam Big Picture mode.is that only for flat games?I want to play VR mode games but use normal controller to change volume and steam overlay menus
>During a interview with Valve, the company confirmed that it has no first-party VR content in the works, for the headset’s launch or otherwise. When asked if the company had any VR content in development, a member of the Steam Frame team responded with a simple and definitive “no.”
>Custom pancake lensesUh oh fresnel bros
>>546286352>the headset we're all excited foreveryone with a brain knew it would be outdated on release just like the index
So after today's disappointment...Anyone know when the Quest 4 is supposed to come out...?
>>546286483I was being hyperbolic but you get what I mean. The BIG VR headset release of the last 2+ years is... to play flat games.
>>546286473HL3
>>546285986>low fidelity experiencehow in any way is this low fedelityyou guys are so insane.Valve was not going to put out a 2000 dollar high end headset only the most coomer vrchat players were going to buy.
>>546286517next year
>>546286436Oh yeah my bad, I assume you meant trying to open games to play with the DS4 with the headset on. The picture quality for "theater-mode" flat games in steamvr doesn't seem that great last I recalled.
>>546277640Posted elsewhere but: When compared to a quest 3:-Index audio and microphone-Twin radios for handling pcvr streaming and wireless connectivity seperately-An adapter that replaces the need for a $200 router-Running linux instead of meta spyware-A built in battery-An actual strap-An expansion port clearly intended for mouth tracking-Eye tracking-Controller based finger tracking-Functions in the dark-An SD card slot which presumably means up-gradable storage-A newer generation processor and double the ram-50g+ lighter than a quest 3 with the shitty soft strap-Worse passthrough due to being monochrome presumably-Audio integrated into the strap which looks better for vr snoozing-144hzIt's functionally a lighter open source quest 3 with all of the random addons you'd have to spend several hundred dollars for but not running literal spyware. An overall mixed bag for sure but absolutely nowhere close to being directly comparable to a q3 in terms of value. A lot will rest on the quality of the eyetracking/lenses and how valve works with that to do the foveated rendering. If they manage to solve the massive issues that most wireless headsets currently having with major artifacting/latency then this would be revolutionary on top of everything else. The only real disappointment is the lack of native lighthouse tracking and lack of oled which is definitely a mixed bag but the value is easily there. Assuming mouth tracking modules come eventually this is functionally an upgrade in every possible way to a q3/qpro outside of the color passthrough on the q3 and the oled of the qpro. I think it strikes a decent balance though price will matter a lot. I'd pay 1200-1300 for this no questions asked but not 1500. At 800-1000 this would be a steal at 1500 it would be a major letdown. Conceptually the idea of being able to just plug a dongle into my laptop while at work or traveling and have functionally full pcvr without wires or hassle sounds very nice.
>>546286517>Anyone know when the Quest 4 is supposed to come out...?They delayed it until 2027 which basically means never since that's code for "We'll drag it out so people don't get too mad then kill it once we need to burn more money on AI too"
>>546286306you need VIDEO GAMES before people buy the consoles, nobody gave a shit about video game consoles until super mario bros and all those awesome games appeared, they look like dogshit and they are belovedits gonna be the same for gorilla tag and forefront, they look like early 90s pc games and I fucking loved playing quake 2, I hate the focus on graphics so much, when all games have been stagnating and mediocre for the past decade, with only recent breakthroughs in writing that's actually good like expedition 33 breaking the mould of dog water generic writing and flashy shallow games that are boring as shit after 2 hours
>>546286517two more weeks
No way...Two weeks?
>Valve says it hasn’t been given a price for the headset just yet. However, during an interview the company told Road to VR that it expects the price of Steam Frame to be ‘cheaper than Index’, without offering much more detail.I take this ‘cheaper than Index’ statement to mean cheaper than the $1,000 ‘full kit’ cost of Index, which included the headset, controllers, and two tracking beacons. The Index headset alone, however, costs $500.
>>546286371did you respond to the wrong person?
>>546286603Yeah that's what I'm reading. It's an extremely polished quest 3 - that list actually misses FOVEATED ENCODING.Plus valve polish on the LATENCY of the entire render stack. The screen, decode, video processing, etc etc are all going to be LOW latency.
bigscreen won
>>546286603>-Index audiostopped reading hereimagine pulling the first point of your list straight out of your ass
theyre gonna drop valve frame oled 2y later like they did with the steamdeck oled
>>546286640>and two tracking beaconshuh?
>>546286603I hate you privacy retards so much, boo hoo zuck can jerk off to me jerking of to vr porn, what are you retarded? it's just annoying bloatware, nobody gives a shit about being "spied upon" (as if your smartphone isn't trackable and with you at all times, retard)
>>546286640>The Index headset alone, however, costs $500.I would buy 2 if it has 400 dollars
>>546286851He's talking about the lighthouses. They're beacons.
>>546286794this is the biggest takeaway desuan LCD headset in the year 2026 is silly
>>546286770>It's an extremely polished quest 3lol!>valve polishlol!
>>546284070>He thinks he's getting an index 2
>>546286934oh im regarded
>>546286930it will reach 400 bucks in 2030 maybe as used
>>546286780bigscreen won the most RMA requests out of any headset two headset releases in a row
>>546286473It's fucking over, Meta is the only company making first-party VR games. Even Sony gave up
>>546286940lcd or not, sub 3.5k^2 in 2026 is simply retarded
>$1200 for wireless garbagevalve you failed me
>>546284070Index is still the only good headset.Waiting on some madman to devise a display mod for the thing to fix the only lacking element of the entire headset.
>VALVE Index>STEAM Frame
24 PPDPPDAHAHAHAHA
>>546286952Realize you're in the cope zone but to this day there is still not a single challenge to the index controllers, audio, microphone, display refresh rate, or package value.
>>546284070No dude. That's it. Two more weeks is over. Valve is not making another.
>of shit and pissstop shilling that shit game
>>546287330You are a questlet, your opinion is of no value.
so basically the new controllers mog knuckles except they don't have a built in strap but someone will probably make an accessory for that anyway>tfw boughted knuckles $300 this year
>>546283310>passthroughdoes anyone ever use this feature though? I've never once used passthrough on any of my headsets.
Say what you want but the trailer does very well in the target audience representation department.
>>546287493/dinnercirlce/ bros...
>>546287291It definitely starts breaking down like a value headset after a year
>>546287462The accessory strap pack contains battery cover knuckle straps and a top strap for the headset.
>>546282535Questlets will tell you this is good because it's better than the zuckslop they have, but still worse than the index.
>>546287540Why do the blokes on the couch have such strange haircuts? Is that the current fashion?
>>546286940its really not if you wanna keep costs down, the way the front detaches and the way they call it a 'compute module' makes me think its upgradable while keeping all the rest of the headset but who knows.>>546287462honestly the strap is a trivial fix but should totally be included in the stock thing
>>546287540Interesting decisions to feature trannies but also native american grandmothers in their advertisements.It's like even they don't know who they're marketing this thing towards.
>>546287493Quest kids and their gimmick mixed reality tech demo games.I'd also rather be in a black void while watching movies or playing flat games. It's so retarded to take the virtual out of VR.
top strap not includedeven apple knows this is bad
it seems like a good deal for poorfags who don't even have a working PC yetlike the steam deck
>>546287678Stop being a bigotValve needs to set a high price so they can pay consultancy firms
>>546287540>literally browns and trannies
>>546287460you're playing questslop https://www.meta.com/en-gb/experiences/of-lies-and-rain/8807261575967907/ and proud of it
>>546287330>$1000I'll buy it>over $1000el oh el
>>546287767>doesn't even know the price>"it seems like a good deal for poorfags"
>>546287714deadlock reference desu
>remains the best headsetHOW did they manage to pull it off
>>546287681>makes me think its upgradableI think someone at valve's hardware department, probably one of the leads, has a hard-on for "expandability" and "modularity" in design. Saw it with the index's (barely used but for FT modding) USB. See it here.
How many questlets do you know with stick drift?
>>546287919idk but I've gone through like 8 index controllers myself due to stick drift so I hope this shit is finally settled once and for all on these new controllers
>>546287857TRVTH NVKE
>>546287819$1000? I paid $1000 for a full index kit, that was good value. This would be good value at $500.If it's not battling with zuckslop for price it's losing, look at the demo this is targeting (people with shit/no technical knowledge). Do you think they care about any of the specs but the price tag?
>>546283875The index *was* the enthusiast pick when it came out.
FBT will work with Steam Frame and Steam Machine right guys?
>>546287540>>546287772index users look like this????
>>546287919I don't just have stick drift, even the rubber grip itself is torn apart
>>546288051Yeah it will but to sync playspaces you'll need a tracker glued to the headset.
it's a day 1 buy for me at $500-600anything more and it's not worth
>>546288124If it's that low I might get one
>>546288121Neat thanks anon
I hate this new trend of implement a problem, sell you the solution
>>546287624Every headset does when you use it for several thousand hours. The are functionally no headsets without major issues. Quest 3 was/is a hardware lottery and has been rendered nearly unusable by updates several times and needs extensive peripherals to be functional, quest pro fucking explodes when you sweat and launched at 1500 usd, bsb2 has failure rates and issues so frequently that it's turned into a meme at this point. Vr headsets in general have an abnormally high failure rate.
>>546287824less than a gaming PC that's for sure
>>546287857At this rate I'll be using my vive pro eye until either I die or PCVR as a whole dies.
>>546288124what is the point of that shit for people who already have a vr headset from the last 5 years?
>USB 2come on that chipset supports 3.2 with DP out. and with steamvr running a KDE plasma desktop this thing could double as a desktop PC. wasted opportunity
>>546288124No way it will be that low, especially if they're paying the Tobii cartel.
>"MUH TRANNIES">"MUH $1200">"B-B-BUT ITS NOT INDEX!"The delectable cope of poors in this thread. Questies and Index users forever seething while I get to use steam frame with FBT+Knuckles using mixed tracking.
So what ended up being the best headset, now that we know the Frame was not worth the wait?
>>546287985What do you fuckers do to your controllers I'm still using mine from 5 years ago and all they've got dead is the thumbstick sensors.
>>546288121>tracker glued to the headsetthese guys couldn't even make their new headset compatible with the tracking ecosystem from the last one are you for real
>>546288445Bigscreen wins again baby
>>546288445we dont know if it was 'worth the wait' its not out yetim guessing that yes it was
>>546288445There is and never has been a best headset. People spend thousands learning that it is the eternal curse of VR.
>>546288514>lights on fire on your face
>>546288257>vive pro eyewhat about this is good other than the displayvive's rep is for dogshit headsets with great displays
>>546287714>It's like even they don't know who they're marketing this thing towards.I disagree. Check twitter and you know exactly that they are 100% spot on with who they are marketing it towards to.Anybody who is like "muh troons!!!" will buy it anyways if it turns out to be good. So they advertise it to the diversity gang, because they are the multiplier that will push it into the mainstream.
>>546288529My perspective on it is that it was not worth the wait but it's still probably the best standalone headset now.
>>546288445objectively speaking, galaxy xr, because it's only headset which is close to no compromises if you mod it enoughwould never had guessed it a year ago
>>546288445>So what ended up being the best headsetIndex won then and it won every year since it came out.
>>546287493woah, linustouchtips said that one of the addons could be facetracking or color pass through cameras.
>>546288641The software is still fucked, the question is if Google will pull their head out of the AR focused ass enough to make it good for PCVR by just fixing some shit that anyone who's used a PCVR headset could have told them.
Buying just because i'll have better audio and mic quality than zuzcucks :3
>>546288406>Bragging about having to use dogshit software and recalibrate ever 120 mins or anytime you take a piss or get another drink from your fridge.No thanks I used mixed tracking in the past, having an actual basestation tracked headset where it just works is much better.>>546288625This, but I'm not interested in standalone. I am simply just not the target demographic.>>546288445Varjo Aero
>>546285058Index is 1k with the headset and controllers, so I seriously doubt they hinted at the price of the headset alone
>>546288494>these guys couldn't even make their new headset compatible with the tracking ecosystem from the last one are you for realConsidering they're fundamentally two different incompatible technologies, I'd say yes. Unless you want to pay $300 more?
>wifi 7 headset>wifi 6e dongleok
so are FBT chads the real losers here?
I am happy maybe normalfags will buy it and 2D games will support VR better for the steam frame checkmark and add fun VR modes as a bonusVR-only games suck. inb4 cope seethe
>>546288813Just buy an extra tracker lmao
>>546288950If you look up what wifi 7 actually is, it's multiple wifi 6E streams at once.
>>546288823>Index is 1kWAS 1k. It is functionally discontinued. Replacement cables, controllers, are essentially RMA only.
My only concern is no earphones(?) and lack of cable, not sure i have wifi 6 and can a router with one if cable dlc isn't a option, sucks too because my index is physically falling apart day after day
>>546288887I'd pay $300 more yeah, better than having to tape a fucking vive to my head like a mixed-tracking cucklet..
>>546289073Why do you want a cable? It has foveated encoding and wifi 6E. It doesn't NEED a cable.
>>546288003lucky for youhttps://www.roadtovr.com/steam-frame-price-cheaper-than-index/
>>546285318It might be a "quest killer" in terms of the actual product, but it's never going to outsell it.
>>546289119>it has sloppy wireless render garbage and wireless internet what do you mean you want the reliability of a cable
>>546289085Then pay me $150 and I'll make a fancy bracket for you so you don't have to use tape.
https://www.roadtovr.com/steam-frame-hands-on-valve-vr-headset-index-2/
How much do you think I could get for my Q3 and BoboVR strap (+case and 2 batteries)? No OLED is a massive disappointment but if it's not more than $500 I'd be willing to buy one just to get away from cuckbook's bullshit.
>>546288959It's just two playspaces, same as always. Playspace alignment logic shouldn't be any different between quest-lighthouse and frame-lighthouse, and we have lots of people who use quest with lighthouse FT around. not the best, not the end of the world
>>546288785kernel source code is out and the bootloader is unlockedsoftware can be fixed, and the gooks are actually trying to win the favor of the developer audience right now, it feels like old android
>>546289002actually wifi 7 doesn't even require 6ghz... we love wifi
>>546289228$0 because you waited this long every tom dick and harry like you will be trying to pawn their used last-gen shit
>>546286517probably never since metaverse collapse
>>546289204>Considering the Frame’s 4.6MP (2,160 × 2,160) per-eye resolution, I was expecting an image that looked similar to Quest 3’s display, which is 4.5MP (2,064 × 2,208). But I was surprised that the first thing I noticed was a somewhat visible screen-door effect (SDE), which is caused by the unlit space between pixels.OOF
>>546288785Google is too busy disabling sideloading for android to make a walled garden and shitting down datacentres for no good reason to give a shit about making a open platform XR headset.
>>546289407the cost of higher FOV
>>546289407IT'S FUCKING OOOOVVEEERRR
>>546289464>I didn’t have enough time with the headset to get a feel for how the field-of-view compared to similar devices. Valve says the field-of-view is “up to 110°” along all axes, though the company stressed that there’s not a widely agreed upon method for measuring field-of-view in a VR headset (accounting for things like eye-relief and face shape), so they stressed that this number may not be directly comparable to field-of-view figures from other headset makers. >Granted, the company told me that Frame’s field-of-view is ‘a bit less’ than that of Index.
>>546289335I mean worst case scenario I just give it to a friend but it'd be nice to get some money back.
>>546289121>hasn’t Been Locked indont they usually announce and launch in very quick succession? >>546289186bro do you really wanna be playing with a cable dangling off of you?>>546289228im keeping my bobovr for this thing >>546289370fuck i wish they sold the transpareant plate one. ill even buy an aftermarket one
So... how long do I have to wait for 4K OLED wireless vr for /tv/?
>>546289547>>Granted, the company told me that Frame’s field-of-view is ‘a bit less’ than that of Index.seems sus/mixed signals
>>546289457they don't need to play nice with the phones anymore, so it's time slaughter the normalfag cattle and reap the benefits enthusiasts can move on to the android xr :^)
>>546289567>dont they usually announce and launch in very quick succession?this shit is coming early 2026
>>546289567>im keeping my bobovr for this thingHow do you know it will be compatible?
>>546289567desu with the streaming solution of > 2.4ghz are for controllers> 5ghz is for network traffic and some video rendering> 6ghz is specifically dedicated to streaming where your pupils are looking everything outside of that window is sent to the 5ghz streamplus 45W PD fast charging it seems like the PERFECT wireless headset. charges will be quick af if you really need it.
>>546289567>with a cable dangling off of youYes, I've done it for 5 years. The questlets and wirelesskeks tend to have more cables than I do because of all the fucking batteries they have to strap to themselves. Having one cable go off the back of the headset is an extremely small price to pay for the sheer reliability of it.No cable issues in 5 years and several thousand hours of (not careless) use.
>>546289607Forever. If you want to watch TV, the BSB2 is probably the best shot right now.
>>546289291I'm well aware it can be, I cancelled by BSB2E order because I look at the XR and really wanted it to work because it's pretty much everything I want in a headset, it's just a matter of if it actually gets done, especially in a timely manner since the community is going to be way slower then Google just getting their head out of their ass, and it's not like Samsung inspired confidence with how they made some major design fumbles as well.
>>546289607Apple Vision Pro or Samsung Galaxy XR already exist
>>546289407It's probably gonna be the same image quality as the pico 4 lol. I know no one fucking believed me when I said the Q3 optics were just flat out better despite having a similar resolution but now you'll have it as well in the steam frames.
>>546289607Samsung Galaxy XR, Play 4 Dream, AVP
>>546289228>if it's not more than $500Don't be delusional.
>>546289547>>546289632for me it just needs to be more than the Quest Pro
Hey guys uhhhh it's me, G2 guy that's been looking for an upgrade for a while now, coiner of the term bigshit begone, almost baited into falling for the goymax, resident savant simracer. Index 2 finally but is it good or a meme though?
now that the dust has settled, was waiting 2 more weeks worth it?
>>546289883>simracing>wireless sloppawhy would you even consider it?
but how long until steam frame ships?
>>546289951no but it's out now so it doesn't matter
>>546289703its just USBC i just glue the battery dock thing to the back part. i have both the standalone dock and the backstrap with the integrated dock (it released after i got the standalone one)>>546289567nvm there's transparent plates for Q2 and Q3 there will definitely be ones for this
>>546290117Late January/early February
>>546289951we waited 2 weeks so that we could wait 6 months
Damn this thread sucks
>>546289957foveated over dedicated wifi line will be fine
>>546290337we already have thisits not a magic bullet
>>546290024It's like this in reverse actuallyThe wired gamers want to keep their wires and the wireless babies are beating the wired guys to death with hammers
>>546289883It looks like quest 3 but polished from the ground up for PCVR streaming (among other things)
I kinda dig this tho
>>546289764https://fixupx.com/benz145/status/1988682368299986952There are TWO ports. The top one could potentially be used for a future base station plate while the nose one is absolutely the dedicated face tracking port.
>>546290549the shitcube
>>546290491>It looks like quest 3 but polished from the ground up for PCVRhad me sold until you said the S word right after
>>546290491It also can run both PC AND Android applications, VR and flat on it's own. which is interesting. But for pure PCVR, I don't see it being a big upgrade over Quest 3 with SteamVRLink or Pico 4 with SteamVRLink.
>>546290619The GabeCube
>>546290382We have a shitty hacked version hacked into the quest pro that was never designed for it. The frame has it built in from the ground up - DEDICATED wireless NICs, custom wifi dongle, it's built for it. PLUS a low latency eyetracking thing (not IR camera based) that's lower latency than the pro.
>>546290142oh damn that looks sick
>>546290757GapeCube
If you can't say the price, it's not a product.
>>546290382The MSFS crowd think it is along with foveated rendering.
>>546290660It's actually a PCVR headset. It runs Arch Linux on an ARM_64 chipset. It's not an android device. It's a PCVR headset.
The steam machine has 8gb vram, good luck running anything decent at native resolution for a quest 3/steam frame on that thing.That thing will set back pc gaming once again just like the steam deck did, pcvr is already dead so it can't hurt it at least.
>>546289718IDGIis that not microsd? the diagram says sd card slot but that looks bigger the bottom one is a>User accessible front expansion port>Dual high speed camera interface (8 lanes @ 2.5Gbps MIPI) / PCIe Gen 4 interface (1-lane)so anything that can run on a PCIE4 1 lane can go there
>>546290832the MSFS crowd enjoys playing games at a crisp 30fps
>>546289957Because I need an urgent upgrade to my G2 and what else is there????? Can it not run in wired mode? The resolution seems to be the same as the G2 but 144hz though I guess...>>546290491Am I cooking or am I getting cooked? I had said I'm insta buying previously but idk now...
>>546290832Foveated E/R is exciting. If PCVR devs actually start building games with foveation in mind, it will let them create MEGASLOPPA unoptimised garbage that you can run at low resolution.
>>546290579Top port is for the SD card, retard bro
>>546290969>Can it not run in wired mode?There is no wired mode. It does not need a wired mode. valve got the wifi stack low enough latency that USB is a downgrade.
>>546290969>Can it not run in wired mode?no, its wireless firstif you need a slam based wired solution you might consider the PSVR2 if the G2 Oasis driver is causing issues for youotherwise, consider Pimax Dream Air
>>546290780its absolute fucking retardation that they didnt sell em like this instead of the boring ass white shell
>>546290884Yeah 8gb vram on the steam machine is disappointing I would have expected 10-12 minimum. The steam deck was probably the single largest advancement in non windows pc gaming in history and I don't really sure how it's negatively impacted windows pc gaming, not sure what that comment is about
Will it run (without streaming), standalone VRChat at a reasonable framerate and be able to connect to PC worlds without issue?I suspect no.
>>546290314>Questies coping they can't afford the frame>Index users coping about their flimsy $1000 headset and pretending its still a good value after 5 years>Frame/Deckard anticipators coping it isn't Index 2
>>546290946>30fpsDamn what kind of million dollar rig are you using? MSFS gamers are used to 10-14fps.
>>546290981this is what devs already do thanks to FSR/DLSS :(
Despite the happening, photos in 10min. VRC servers seem to be breaking down a bit right now, so we'll see if it's gonna be stable enough.
>>546290850the headset is a pc
>>546291171With aggressive enough avatar culling and resolution cranked way down? Probably. I used to VRChat with a 1080ti on an Index and it was playable.
>>546291171>VRChat at a reasonable framerateRumour has it that the massive datacentres they're building for '''AI''' are actually to run VRChat at 80-90fps.
>>546290981Foveated encoding may be great, but foveated rendering impact it's over stated, you can't go too low or it is clearly noticeable, your brain can pickup those details like a big ass pixel quickly changing from dark to light as you slightly move your head. You can try it on skyrim vr, I did back then and even on a quest 2 with fresnel where you are meant to keep your eyes looking forwards you could notice it immediately.And the improvement in performance was not that big, maybe 50% at most and that is pushing it.
>>546291171Asking VRChat to run at a reasonable frame rate on a dedicated PC is already asking for too much
>>546291201I'm a Deckard anticipator who never owned any VR headsets and I'm buying the frame day one. A couple years ago I absolutely was holding out for Index 2 type device but over time I realized that the way VR games have evolved there just... isn't a need for one. Maybe in another decade.
>>546291072Damn broooo...>>546291098PS2VR lmaoooooooo helllloooooo??? Dream Air sounds cool but I only have a 4090 and you know how simracing games are with fps. I think I'd rather run 120/144hz on a lower res display and a sturrery 40. I don't know about the FOV on the Index 2 though...
>>5462913891080ti has 11 gigs of vram, and it's way faster than the ARM SoC, or steam machines castrated GPU
>>546291171no
>>546291540there is no index 2psvr2 is good for you if you dont think you can run a higher res display, you're already on a g2 so maybe just stick with that
>>546290757The cleveland steambox
>>546291245just need a gpu with 24+ vram
>>546291453>but foveated rendering impact it's over stated, you can't go too low or it is clearly noticeablefactsbut it very useful for oversampling to shit the foveated region (think 32xMSAA+), so ironically it's the most useful for people who already have good PC's, 100% contrary to what you might expect
BSB retards can end their coping but hanging themselves with their tether cable
>>546291486Hope you enjoy it. Honestly yeah Index 2 doesn't need to be a thing yet. I'd rather valve wait for new tech to develop so they can deliver a true successor to it. Frame is honestly enough and still meets Valve's quality of hardware just not in the way lighthouse fbt 5k oled panel full face tracking types want.
>>546290981>it will let them create MEGASLOPPA unoptimised garbage that you can run at low resolutionIncreases in performance would be happening in the future anyway, while>>546290884>The steam machine has 8gb vramthis will probably be a good incentive for game makers to focus more on perormance, and be more creative with graphicsOne way or another, we'll have to wait a while before any such effects become apparentI think I'd rather wait for an improved version of that VR setup
>>546291792wrong, quad views work extremely well to increase GPU performance
>>546291643Aint sticking with shit. Haven't used by G2 in a year it's unusable dogshit. Surely the lenses will look better than the G2. I also do want to watch Harry Potter and anime in VR and also EmuVR too so maybe the Frame is the move and I'm not a coper?
>>546291928>Increases in performance would be happening in the future anywaythey will never catch up even to old shit 4090>this will probably be a good incentive for game makers to focus more on perormancelol, do you actually believe it?
>>546292049the frame isnt even buyable with no release date given except for early 2026 so uh...yea
>>546291871I expect them to completely neck themselves when Valve announces a lower price point than the BSB2. That or they'll keep going with the "B-B-BUT NO OLED" cope. I've tried both OLED and LCD panels and I wouldn't mind going back to LCD if it means having no tether.
>>546291171PC worlds - no. its barely a step above quest3>>546291428you can already run vrc on cloud, but the latency is notable
>>546292012yeah, tell me about it, i literally implemented it my engine, i know what actually works and what doesn'tyou can't downsample periphery, it needs to stay at at least 4xMSAA, overwise you notice the shimmering
>>546291871my faith in bsb2 is only stronger after seeing people complain that frame is heavy and has screen door effecthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StlU7Kzz2BMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gla_mWEeebk
>>546292178frame not having uOLED in 2025 is pretty laughableits already confirmed to have visible SDE moreso than q3 because of the lower pixel densityand worse contrast than all newer hmds coming out because its the only LCD outlier
>>546290989you're fucking retarded>>546290579the bottom port is actually PCIe x4
It's looking grim, fbt sisters...
>>546292226blur it using gaussian blur
>>546292305>visible SDEtranslate this to retard please
>>546292483i dont see why you'd need iteyetracking is the important part this whole thing relies on foveated rendering
>>546292260It's still lighter than index but you're definitely not gonna beat BSB weight on a standalone headset. BSB will always win in that department.
>>546277640>>546286603I might sell my Quest 3 and grab it. But if it's more than $700 then I won't bother. The biggest appeal is the eye tracking, comfort strap, and better binocular overlap.
>>546292483It's your yearly reminder that you and every other VRCTrannie here make up a very slim minority of the market
>>546292604Now weigh BSB + about 1.5m of cable
>>546292260You will cope and buy a Steam Frame when your BSB2 dies the moment the warranty ends and BSB tells you to go fuck yourself.
>>546292601Crouchposelet detected
what's the chance of a clearance sale on index headsets?
Wish me luck boys
>>546292178just watched someone who got their beyond2 for few days and its been 80% whining, maybe the expectations were too high
What software is currently used for Tundra/Vive trackers with camera tracked HMDs? Will I need a extra tracker to put on the HMD?
>>546292597you can see the lines between pixels
>>546287264I missed this when I first scrolled past.IT IS FUCKING OVERWRECKEDSHREKEDAND TWO SMOKING BARRELS
>>546292575you would need very fast eye tracking for that to workyou can stomach the raw aliased image, but not the filtered one
>>546292056Steam Deck verified make devs give a shit about performance metrics for non AAA slop since they had a common set of hardware to test against. I can see the Steam Machine doing the same.
>>546292178Steve at Gamers Nexus said that Valve told him that it won't be priced higher than the Index.
>>546292483just get cheap slimes and thats all you need for casual useor there is new tracking tech coming next year that will need no stinky cameras, stations or room mapping
Photo instance up!https://vrch.at/9d35fj3chttps://anchor.vrg.social/
any bsb bros use pulley?even with my heavy as heck vive cable, the cable actually pulls upward rather than downward. and if I add slack then it will dangle in the air and get in the way. I expect with bsb it will just yank straight up and maybe pull it off my head
>>546293047https://github.com/bdunderscore/OpenVR-SpaceCalibrator/releases/tag/v1.4-bd_-r0
>>546293142You're talking about fluxpose. Don't get slimes when fluxpose are coming. For real this time.
>>546292627I can't sell my quest because of the exclusive games. Resident Evil 4.... Otherwise I buy everything in SteamVR
>>546293047https://store.steampowered.com/app/3368750/Space_Calibrator/Yes you will need a tracker to put on the hmd.I used this to mount minehttps://www.amazon.com/Andoer-Release-Including-Adhesive-Panoramic/dp/B01NCLMIN2/131-2714725-4042749
>>546289851Tell that to Valve
>>546293267https://github.com/ovrport/app
>>546293225get this pulley, its what i use with my bsbhttps://vr-wire.com/
>>546293269You don't need it, you just will experience occasional drift and need to recalibrate.
>>546293047I use OpenVR Space Calibrator and you don't need an extra tracker but I would highly recommend it because without it you'll need to recalibrate pretty often but if you have the extra tracker you almost never have to recalibrate. I also recommend the mount that >>546293269 recommends since I used the same thing and its pretty good.>>546293130Based. I'm assuming its on his video. Time stamp?
>>546293425thanks. this looks better
>>546292946god speed, brother
https://www.uploadvr.com/valve-isnt-currently-working-on-a-new-vr-game/Its over vr gaming is actually deadNever thought this is what it would be when we say flat shit but in vr
>>546293234>>546293269>>546293680Thanks, I have some spare Vive 2.0 so I'll use that until the FluxPose trackers are released
I had such high hopes for the index 2 and now I'm butthurt and unsure. It's either 3 pixel wireless standalone memes or super high res memes that run at 30 fps on a 4090 I'm gutted I just wanna free roam AC in VR...
>>546277625>760028 CUs, so RX 7400, 7600 has 32 CUsOverall, kinda disappointing, in the current year of almost 2026 I'd expect Zen 5 + RDNA 4, like an equivalent of Ryzen 9600 + RX 9060 non-XT
>No need to set up a dedicated router>Dual-band operation>Eye-tracked foveated rendering>Edge-to-edge sharpness>Weighs less than Quest 3 out of the box, with the battery pack counterweightit will absolutely mog the Quest 3
>>546293264>fluxposeoh yeah I always forget the name, Im waiting to see if they are as good as advertised and would they even be available worldwide
APOLOGIZE CV1 with the xbox controller at launch was ahead of its time
>>546293680it's right at the beginning anon
All that waiting, all that hype, just for a glorified Quest 3.5. If it weren't for the social connections that keep me here I'd just walk away from VR entirely at this point.
>gaben a /vrg/ soccer fan moved to tears from the second championship decides to finally ship the index 2you're welcome
>>546286619Pro 2 2027Quest 4 2026
>>546294327Wow I can't wait to play flat games
>>546294439Haven't watched it yet I'm still in the middle of adam savage's video
>>546294462I've been saying that the steam frame is the official end of PCVR. Quest and standalone is ramping down, and VR is on its final legs as a medium. That's just how it is and how I said it would go back when oculus got bought by zucc. Embrace, expand, extinguish, abandon.
>>546294462That's what Valve is doing too. This is a flat game headset with some support for legacy titles (VR games). This will be good for hiding my weaboo games on a plane.
>>546294270quest 3 is a ten year old headset, sister...>>546294565even better...flat games where you can't read text...
>>546294327>non-VR games on a giant virtual (LCD) screenI'd rather just play them on my OLED TV...
We're so BACK 2016https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/mixed-reality/hololens-1/hololens1-hardware
>>546294270What does dool band oprashun entail?
>>546294625I think its the opposite. PCVR is seeing its chance to expand to more people if frame is priced well enough.
>>546294270Would definitely choose this over Q3, but it's not good enough to upgrade from a Q3.
>>546294749>non-VR games on a giant virtual (LCD) screenThis use case they keep trying to sell us but that no one actually wants
>>546294725>speakers begin openly blaying anime moans
>>546294625The biggest difference here is that Steam wants you to connect to your PC. That's why they're shipping it with the wifi dongle.
>>546294746>quest 3 is a ten year old headsetit's being sold right now, brand new>...shit yourself
>>546294820See >>546289718
>>546294869the weird bit is Quest 3, Pico 4 Ultra, Samsung Galaxy XR, and Apple Vision Pro all do this already with Steam Link, their very own software
>>546293926hl3 will be a launch title confirmedtheyre not working on any game because the game is done, ready for launch
>>546294851There's that angle. Death of the roman empire angle; it never really died it just evolved into something else. Because... the headset IS a PC. It's not android, it's a full linux PC, so any VR that runs on it is by definition PC VR. Plus the intention is to get people to play flat games on it... but I think they dropped the ball a bit. It needed SOCIAL flat games. It needed a way to play flat games in the same VR room as your friends.
>>546295029sister, index is still up on the steam store...
>>546295049Sorry anon its a flat game and you will play it on the big lcd screen
>And regardless of whether the headset is running wireless or wired, uh, that's the baselineWas this a slip of the tongue or do they know something we don't?
does it do AR?
>>546295145bro its 2025 no one plays flat games
>>546289718I thought it was>6GHz for video/audio>5GHz for everything elsewithout the 2.4GHz band
>>546294857Yea, pretty much
>>546295191yeah, with silky smooth q2 grayscale passthrough
>>546285180His entire line of headsets don't exist to me. They never were and never will be options for me. They might as well have the same exploding batteries in them they put in the hamas walkie talkies and pagers. And advertise it on the box. Not touching anything belonging to (((them))) whether it's hardware, software politicians, social media. Quest doesn't exist in my VR cinematic universe.
>>546295318the controllers are using 2.4ghz
>>546295328damn, no reason for me to stop using my quest 2 then
>>546294746>flat games where you can't read text...If you can't read text on a Q3 screen, you need glasses, nigga
>>546295052>It needed a way to play flat games in the same VR room as your friends.damn, why didn't I think of that
But guys, wont all these wireless bands give you brain damage and cancer unironically?
>>546295184you can run it wired just like you can run any LAN based headset wired just plug an ethernet cable from it into your pc via adapter or get a USB-to-SFP module and a fiber optic cable to your PC
valve-orchestrated corrective inserts confirmed
>>546295583The microplastics block the RF signals
>>546295480it's you who needs glasses, people with proper eyesight don't have a "built-in" blur on everything they see35ppd is the baseline for readable text, aka 1080p 24" at 50 cm viewing distance, valve fart is almost half of that
>>546294523thank you gabe
>>546277640>grip buttonsfucking finally
>>546295343you know where the steam frame's SoC is developed right?
>>546295752>valve fartmeant to say steam fart, sorry
>>546277640Going to buy one for gf/guests to use and a steam box for the lounge TV.Going to get a PSVR2 during the sales coming up
>>546291171The Quest client of VRC is fine so if they port that one in then you're good. Fags will be forced to optimize avatar and worlds again.
>>546295052its not any near a pcits still a mobile chipset just a step above q3 and far slower than steamdecks mediocre apu
>>546295803Me in my steam frame after I criticize isreal
My thots on Frame>form factor looks comfortable, though i worry about the lack of the top strap>built in eye tracking with foveating is great, i hope it will get integrated into more games because of frame>lcd instead of oled is disappointing, but at least it's 144 hz, i hope it will have at least index fov>disappointing it doesn't have diopter adjustment like some headsets>headphones don't look like they'll be as good as index, but i hope at least the microphone will stay at index quality>dedicated wireless adapter with its own band is amazing, but i hoped someone would finally come up with a 60 ghz solution, wigig 2 standard has been out for a few years now>i didn't see any mention of a displayport, which is a big deal for me, because for sitting games i would rather just plug it in rather than wear down the battery>i'm glad the controllers still have finger tracking like the index>standard aa batteries instead of built-in proprietary ones are great, i can just have 4 rechargable aas to swap if i need to and not worry about replacements not being made anymore>bit disappointed the controllers don't have tracking cameras like the quest pro>i hope it will have color passthrough like quest 3>arm soc instead of amd apu is surprising, i didn't really care if it had standalone capabilities, arm or x86, but since it's the flagship snapdragon, it should run android games and emulators fairly well, maybe someone will figure out how to run quest games tooStill, depending on the price I might still get it to replace my old Rift S, after Oculus abandoned it without even fixing the bugs, I swore to never get an Oculus headset again and all the PCVR headsets kinda sucked to me
>>546296370No anon, you don't get it. It's a PC. It is literally a PC. It comes with x86 emulators and you can run microsoft word on it. It's PC.It's just not (native) i386_AMD64.
>>546293926This killed my interest. I know when Alyx came out they said that if they returned to HL again it wouldn't be VR-exclusive, but to not have anything planned for this headset tells me it's just gonna be the PSVR2 approach
>>546296495not reading that wall of basic bitch takes
>>546295803welp guess i'm not buying that either i thought qualcomm was made in Taiwan
>>546295721probably just official cooperation with the vr optician guys, giving them specs ahead of time so they're available on launch
>>546296495>form factor looks comfortable, though i worry about the lack of the top strapthere's a dlc for that>headphones don't look like they'll be as good as index, but i hope at least the microphone will stay at index qualitythere's planned but not announced dlc for that>bit disappointed the controllers don't have tracking cameras like the quest proi fucking hate these pieces of shit they suck ass>i hope it will have color passthrough like quest 3it won't
>>546296624Zoomzoom
i will buy as soon as the ft module is announced for the little pcie slot
>>546296631That's where it's actually fabbed, yes. I couldn't tell you exactly where the SoC was designed but qualcomm does have an israeli office. Not sure if they actually do any SoC design there or if it's just a mossad building.
Steam Frame OLED will save VR trust
>bad headstrap>bad controllers >bad audio>monochrome pass through >no displayport outwhat was gabe thinking?
>>546296876just buy the new core module in a few years!
you can't even call steam fart the quest 3 pro, because it lacks so many features
>>546287919this right here makes it worth it to meI've changed out the sticks in my q3 controllers 4 times already and just the other day i got on forefront and my left stick is clicky and disconnectedI'm not even banging em into walls like a mongoloid or anything. crapass sensorsfrustrating as fuck to get ready to game and I've got drift again even though I've just replaced the sensors a month or two agotakes like 45mins to replace
>>546296945It has displayport out though.
>>546287919im still using my quest 2 controllers because i don't cum on them
>>546296984show me
>>546296945>what was gabe thinking?Gabe is busy fucking hebes in a boat, valve is no longer his problem.
>>546296876The 2k steam frame pro with 4k oled screensI wouldn't stake money on it one bit but can see it
>>546296978>I've changed out the sticks in my q3 controllers 4 times alreadyhow fucking fat and greasy are you?i bought replacement joysticks just in case for my q2 in 2021 and i'm still on the original ones
>>546296865just plug it into the USB on the mobo?
>>546297169Uh nevermind looks like my memory was wrong, I swear I saw a picture of a youtube video of someone using DP out.
>>546297329its just the pcie slot is in the right spot.
forget the deckard, will the gabecube be able to handle rendering pcvr to current headsets?
>>546297508no
>>546297219true
>>546294869Especially not at that resolution.
>>546297508nothing extremethey advertise it as streaming to the frame
>>546297508lol
It's insane that I expected to be disappointed with the leaks and was even more disappointed than I thought I would be
>>546297508its an rx 7600 which is basically a 4060 which is basically a 1080tiTIME IS A FUCKING CIRCLE
>>546297229I'm not fat or greasyand I'm pretty careful with my stuffI've heard humidity might be partially causing the issues?I live in a tropical environment and I do use the shit frequentlyI've got 1500hrs alone in steamvr since q3 release and most of my use is in VDXR
I don't know bro, I expectes more, but I've always said I would have rather had an Index all this time, so I gotta stand behind my words and insta blind buy. Valve also aren't literal niggers like 4chan mods for example, so they can be trusted. Just worried if they release a secons better model 6 months down the line but I doubt it.
>>546297508It has a Ryzen 7600 + an RX 7400, what do you think?
I wouldn't be surprised if the frame gets an altered version of the new vive facial tracker
>>546297917This would require a non-retarded decision from HTC. What odds do you put on that
Any videos go over how good the finger tracking is on the steam frame controller?
so what am i supposed to buy that has eye tracking and AR
>>546298049galaxy
>>546298049samsung galaxy xr, pfd, avp
>>546296631its like intel and amd theyre designed in israel made mostly in taiwan (for AMD only their FPGAs are designed in israel so far)>>546296495>>headphones don't look like they'll be as good as index, but i hope at least the microphone will stay at index qualityis it just me or why the fuck would you even use a headset's headphones? like theyre all open and lack isolation. ive never used a headset without just plugging in wired in-ear earbuds with decent isolation.>>546296495>>>dedicated wireless adapter with its own band is amazing, but i hoped someone would finally come up with a 60 ghz solution, wigig 2 standard has been out for a few years now250Mbps AV1 is really fucking good why overcomplicate>>546296495>>i didn't see any mention of a displayport, which is a big deal for me, because for sitting games i would rather just plug it in rather than wear down the batteryi have one of those USBC cables with a magnetic detachable tip for that so i can plug it into power easily while sitting down.>>bit disappointed the controllers don't have tracking cameras like the quest prothats exactly why they can run off of AAs for many days>>i hope it will have color passthrough like quest 3gonna have monochrome pass though it says on the spec page. but it has >User accessible front expansion port>Dual high speed camera interface (8 lanes @ 2.5Gbps MIPI) / PCIe Gen 4 interface (1-lane)(im guessing a ribbon cable connector similar to ones used in a raspberry pi to connect camera/screen/ssd). so there will probably be aftermarket color passthough cameras (basically pic related but with MIPI instead of USB)>>546296984>>546297169>>546297392the chipseets supports DP out but they only included USB2 which doesnt have it. imagine if you plugged your frame into a dock and it's just a steamos pc
>>546297721RX 7400*It has 28 CUs, 7600 has 32
>>546298110any privacy concerns among these before i start doing my own research?
>>546298205samsung has unlocked bootloader and i think published kernel sources recently? its still samsung by default though plus googlepfd is chineseavp is apple
>>546291453>maybe 50% at mostthat's a lot dude.
>>546298406downgrade
>>546296543thats just more compatibility issues on top
>>546298205pfd is chinkshit, vispro doesn't give eye/access access to devsgxr is the only choice, gooks are playing very nice so far, but still just block internet access through firewall as you always should
>>546298205remember how samsung phones kept exploding? I wouldn't want a samsung strapped to my face...
>>546296495The top strap, along with the controller straps, are sold as extra.>>hope it will have at least index fovIt is marginally better. What was index, 108? This is 110. So hardly an improvement.
>>546298580the battery is not on your face, at least
>>546298580but there is no battery in the headset
>>546298580The battery on the samsung XR is like the AVP, it's off-headset connected with a cable. Explosions will not happen on your face.
>>546298406Took the strap off my Wii. Took the strap off my Quest 2. Took the strap off my Quest 3. Oh look another strap!
>>546298660I'm just glad the FOV isn't WORSE. (by much)
>>546298752you won't have to take it off, in fact you will have to pay extra to get the strap if I understand it right
Literally 0 hype on /v/ for the headset. All they're talking about is the gabecube.
>>546298723bsb2e doesn't have a battery anywhere and it does in fact burn my face
>avp>AVPchill out, guys, it's not even the best alien movie
>>546296495>arm soc instead of amd apu is surprising, i didn't really care if it had standalone capabilities, arm or x86, but since it's the flagship snapdragon, it should run android games and emulators fairly well, maybe someone will figure out how to run quest games tooIt actually does make sense, even the newest, most powerful Zen 5 APUs you see in those expensive chink handheld PCs aren't powerful enough for 4k gaming (and resolution and sharpness matter A LOT when you have thr screen right in front of your eyes, a 1080p game window will look like ass in a virtual environment), so might as well get something more power efficient. And as you said, you'll likely be able to play Android and maybe Quest games. Those XR Snapdragons have dedicates cores to offload tracking and cameras from the CPU, but the Gen 3 in the Frame is more powerful than XR2 in Quest 2, so it should just brute force through that.
>every other VR headset is obsolete now - steam frame first lookdamn that's some premium shilling from linus
>>546298908Because there's nothing to be excited about. It is literally playing catchup to the quest, nothing more. There is nothing fresh or innovative here.
Any videos to recommend watching? I want to avoid the worst of the shilltubers
>>546298958more like the steam frame cements the index as the only good vr headset ever made
>>546298908well /v/ is about games and vr has no games
>>546298921AVPR looks sick
>>546298958>literally does the exact same thing multiple other headsets have been able to do for years now>"VR WILL NEVER BE THE SAME"every time with this nigger
>>546298908Why the fuck would VR be on a Video GAMES board?
>>546299074lol
>>546299061I always like tested but didn't watch yet
>>546299061Tested has an interview, that's the best you'll probably get
>>546298908>VR >Games pick one
>>546298389It is and it isn't, as I said it was at most that, as when I tried it the gains were so low I ended up disabling it or increasing the radius enough that it may as well been disabled.But even if we assume 50%, the increase from index resolution to quest 3/steam frame eats it all up, plus the target device is now a 4060 equivalent gpu with 6 cores, modern vr games will target it and even with a 50% increase in performance thanks to the foveated rendering, you will be lucky if the steam machine can run hl alyx at native resolution in a quest 3/steam frame.
Not impressed but I might still buy one because of troonix.
>>546299320>>546299254>>546299078But you can play flat games on it
>>546299287tested and norm fell off
oh boy a compression ridden 72hz experience thanks valve!
>>546299478144hz.
>>546299478do any of you niggers read or do you just short-circuit before you reach the end of a sentenceit can go from 72-144hz
jealous of the power button and volume buttons t b h
>>546299287Look at the faces of the 3 Valve employees during that interview. They know they pushed out a turd.
>>546299382i was kinda hoping it would be more AVP-like but linux, but the passthrough seems like a major afterthought so tvs/windows in your space isn't really that feasiblewas also kinda hoping they'd advertise some social aspects of like sharing spaces with friends for remote couch coop or something or watchalongs
>>546299527(experimental)
>>546299592>They know they pushed out a turd.The display/lenses guy is even worse. You can tell he knows it's trash.
>>546299527>>546299539enjoy a 30 min battery
>>546299539>it canSo it will be nailed to 72 when in compressiontard mode, which will be any time it's in VR.
>>546299752its also experimental on index and it just works
>>546299669There's a extension port on the front that can presumably be used for better passthrough if you want that. With the frame their design intention was clear: Focus on key features, polish them hard, and add options for people to slap on some more junk if they want it.
>>546299752Index 144hz was also listed as experimental and was perfectly fine
>VR headset with her res than the index with eye tracking that's not zuccshitI'm quite excited desu, my needs are simple
>>546289119Like the other anon said I've always had no problem with cable, I've started with CV1 and went straight to index. /g/ terms are lost on me, but having a cable expansion would be pretty nice to have if I don't want to figure out wifi6 stuff.
>>546299823BoBo VR I assume is going to make a replacement head strap for this also.
It's a troon, right?
>>546299978> if I don't want to figure out wifi6 stuff.you need to read the specs again. You don't have to. You just plug their dongle in and it'll work.
>>546299809>So it will be nailed to 72 when in compressiontard mode, which will be any time it's in VR.are you a tourist or just fucking stupid?quest 3 can go to 120hz in its "compressiontard" mode.there's nothing to suggest you're going to be locked to 72. it will be changeable just like literally every other headset wired or wireless.
>>546299809steamlink supports 120hz on quest 3
unrelated but what the fuck were they thinking with the ram and vram?valve's prices better be insanely competitive
im truly hoping for oled version since 2160 res is so bad
>>546300037that might just be how people in Washington look
>>546300083who cares it's just going to be a video streaming device
>>546300054>zuckslopyawn not interested
>>546300107Mandatory sex change at the border crossing.
>>546300083Nobody can afford ram in this economy.
>>546300156>do any of you niggers read or do you just short-circuit before you reach the end of a sentenceok i guess i have my answer to this question
>>546300150its clearly meant to be a gaming pc prebuilt
>>546300282Oh that's the steam machine I thought you posted the frame's specs. Don't care about the muslim cube.
>>546297508It will handle VR Games. It will not handle VR Chat. Reminder most people are completely fine with questslop graphics. ANYTHING more will be revolutionary to them and that is what the steam machine (and Frame) aims to provide.
>>546299372Well I wouldn't trust your experience with regular foveated rendering too much. Dynamic foveated rendering is much more different.I'm just going to be using this to run UEVR games.
>>546294327the CV1 is still the best headset on the fucking market by farI am considering if I should bother buying this sidegrade or continue being comfy waiting for a quest 4/pro 2
>>546300083considering this is just another glorified video streamer that ram is overkill
was there not another VR headset that had a battery on the back? I could've sworn there was but some videos are talking about it like it's some big improvement
>>546298548>vispro doesn't give eye/access access to devsand this is because devs (read advertisers) are niggers and wouldnt put it past themselves to include EVERYTHING you own and your own biometrics in the profiles they have on you.
>>546300195its getting expensive but 16GB in 2025 is insane and they dont mention DIMM slots or PCIE which even laptops have what the fuck is this slopificationi bet a lot of normies will get a steammachine and run their steamframe with it and it will probably be weak af with no memory
>>546300752i put my battery on the back of my wireless vive pro.
>>546300752pico 4 has a rigid strap with a rear battery
>>546300809It saves 8GB by just not running windows.
>>546300808but iOS has arkit for vtooberscmon apple let us have fun
Fuck it I'm just buying it. Pimax is too expensive and chinese and everything else just sucks fucking ass.
>>546301180buying what?
In willing to compromise with VR180 modes of games if that means success
>>546301037ARKit is fine because it only points at your face and cannot tell gaze since you're looking off screen. Gaze + a full color data on your environment is an advertisers dream and its one of the few things apple does right. It should be entirely obfuscated unless your app can prove it runs entirely local.
>LTT video was actually the most informative onehuh I didn't expect that
>>546301274you mean like UEVR?
>>546301259An hour with you.
>>546301332Can't watch the vids yet, is there anything about the quality (if at all) of tracking behind your back or over your shoulder?
>>546301289doesn't arkit literally have eye tracking?
>>546301332anon please don't make me watch it I beg you there's only so many times I can hear "THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING" and other trite marketing bullshit without wanting to violently wretch for 20 minutes. this number of times is once
>>546301259The Index 2 duh. I have a PC and a dualshock controller already.
>>546301797there is no index 2
The Frame has 2.37% more pixels than the Quest 3!
So this is the last vrg thread right?Valve already said it, no new vr games, we have fully reclined.
>>546301978now adjust it for the fov
>>546301567What's more annoying is his gayass braces that he didn't even need. Why do so many mericans fall for the braces meme an end up ruining their anatomy? You can tell when someone has had braces when they talk all weird and throw saliva around without noticing.
Valve ending Samsung's hope for profit on the Galaxy XR just for the love of the game
>>546302141Hello Britoid, how's your bite look?
>>546301893Shut up nigger from reddit
>>546302248gxr shits on steam frame
>>546301567I watched LTT, gaming jesus, and DF. DF seemed like they barely got access(like they speculated on stuff that the LTT video just confirmed outright). Gamers Nexus only did an overview video on all the stuff announced today, and will do a more in-depth Frame one later which might be better. LTT was still an overview but covered all the important bits better.
>>546302295Hey braces victim with a fucked up bite, mine's perfect because I never got braces (not a goy) and I'm white (not a britslime).
>>546302346You should watch the Tested on as well, they spend a lot of time actually talking to the devs and asking decent questions
>>546294607
>>546298958I mean, if you get a Q3 + eyes + dedicated router but better + good headstrap and interface for ~800ish bucks, that is actually an insane deal if you're just getting into VR. The problem is if you've already got a Q3 and setup, it's not a big enough upgrade though I do hope eyes being standard going forward becomes a thing and devs support it
>>546302914Saw this already. Makes me really excited. I wonder if they're gonna try to price it competitively with the Quest 3.
>>546301274yes I just want comfy 3D view of games that doesn't make me puke
>>546303035there is no way they can try not tothis shit is WORSE in some aspects to the quest 3 and thats going to be a 3 year old headset when this slop finally releases, with the quest 4 on the horizonthey simply cannot be THAT out of touch with reality that they think they got something of value here
>>546302118FOV is just a zoom in/out.
you have to be a fucking retard to get excited over this shitoctober 2026, zucc comes out and announces the new headset 2.5k screens, 2nm chip and eye+face frame is DOA
>>546302340Let's check the steam hardware survey in a year spec sheet boy. lol
>>546302951>~800ish bucksI'm gonna be disappointed if they even price it that high. LCD and basically zero AR capabilities screams "cheap" to me. If they aren't pricing it to compete with the Q3, and future Q4, then only people who hate meta will really want to buy it.
>people waited two whole weeks for this nothingburgerSad.
>Walkabout Mini Golf's build was more fully featured than the one shown during the demo day at Samsung a couple weeks earlier, allowing me to putt with one controller in full VR joined by an iPhone player logged into the same room code via the Pocket Edition of the game. I enjoyed waving at Quill in Moss 2 and, in Gorn 2, I punched barbarians with my fists using the analog sticks to move myself out of the way of their attempts to hit me. Playing mostly seated, they all worked smoothly with Steam Frame running as a standalone personal computer – no streaming from a PC.Actually impressive that they managed to get even basic PCVR stuff like that working standalone.sauce: https://www.uploadvr.com/valve-steam-frame-hands-on-impressions/
>>546303343>zero ARnot interested in AR, passthrough, etc, thanks.
>>546303267Thought one of the reasons for the delay of the Quest 4 was because of the snapdragon taking too long to come out.
so is anyone doing 25 days of /a/utism stream instance next month?
>>546303343Q4 is going to feature full face tracking and that alone is going to rape the frame, ontop of that any incremental improvement to the Q3 instantly brings it above the frame
>>546303267if you think the quest 4 is coming... oh boy
>>546303447Me neither, but the Quest 3 has that and it was 500 dollars on launch, now you can get one for $350.Plus Meta is shilling that gaussian splat thing, which actually does seem interesting.
>>546303607>Q4>2027>not cutting cornersuh huh
not needing a special router and other software just to play steam games makes frame better desu
>>546303436The headset is a PC.
>>5463032671 cent deposited into your meta horizons account
haha if your a lefty get fuckedyou're gonna use the dpad for everything in native VR and like it
>>546303649what's exactly why I said "the new headset" and not "q4", retard>>546303838jokes on you, i'm on the galaxy xr train right nowany headset with less than 3k per eye and no eye/face doesn't exist for me
>>546303436>>546303812The real question is how good does it look. I play the native Quest 3 version of Walkabout Mini Golf, but I'm sure the PCVR version looks much better. I assume this in inbetween, looking better than native Quest 3.
>>546303679anon, any improvement over the Q3 instantly brings it above the framethe frame is already an outdated piece of shit before it has even released
Who's the target audience for the headset, is vrchat the reason to own a headset or are they edging towards it being better for more gamey-games
>>546303607>Q4 is going to feature full face tracking and that alone is going to rape the frame
>>546304113yeah we'll see how that goes in 2 years I guess
>>546304113Frame would have been a stunning innovation in the VR market space if it had released 4 years ago.Wonder what dragged development out so long.
>>546304183>babble slop vs native facetracking
>>546304165meUEVR enjoyersppl that play flatshit before bed in VD so they can lay downliterally me
>>546303759Same. I hate the fuckery needed on Oculus stuff due to them not really being made with streaming in mind. Having a dedicated antenna for streaming alongside a wifi chip and foveated streaming with official software will make things smooth.
>>546304368>speculation vs speculationneither product is out yet, and reminder that vive face tracking still mogs everything despite being an add-on.
>>546304183As we have learned with console attachments it is hard to develop for something when so few people ever add attachments.
>>546304395so braindead retards exclusively huh
>>546304183That's for the VR muzzle
>>546304727yea pretty muchthe only thing I'll really miss from zucc3 is passthrough, which isn't an appealing feature to enlightened patricians like yourself
>>546304670>vive face tracking still mogs everythinglol? with that upper face, or better say lack of?
>>546303607If meta makes another full fledged VR headset you can bet your ass they gonna remove Airlink and actively fight VD and Steamlink off their platform so you have to use Horizon worlds and standalone slop
Replace 5070 ti with RTX 6090.Replace Quest 3 with Quest 4.Continue to play FTL on my iPad.
>owning 5070ti in the first placetrans
>>546305157>owningsomeone didn't read the fine print
>>546304939and the "dumbest post in the thread" award goes to youthere was a lot of competition, but you've managed to overcome them all. congratulations
>>546304165It's for games. Some VR, some flat. Not as much for simulators and even less so for transgenderism.
O M GLOL
>>546304689The expansion port is already right there, it's not an after the fact thing.>>546304898Perfect lower face is more important for being an anime girl. I get tongue mogged all the time with my QPro
>>546305385good I don't need full colour nicheslop driving up prices
so where do i order?
>>546305385genuinely don't understand what they were thinking here
>>546305520The expansion port was also on the Super Nintendo. No one ever plugged into it though.
>VaM 2 delayed because steamframe doesn't have good passthroughit's over
>announces index 2 in 2 weeks
>>546301543It eye tracking on a phone screen when the phone makes up a VERY small arc in your entire fov is less significant when your entire fov is the content served
>>546305554completely in line with the rest of the headset honestlyit has absolutely nothing going for it...
>>546305554>>546305529>>546283536
>>546305520nah, everyone knows thatupper face -> anime girlslower face/tongue -> furries>>546301289how about giving me an option to chose, you fucking nigger?like you do with gps location and the camera?????kill yourself
>>546266969>dogshit wireless compressionlet sloppa
>>546305385yes omg I'm so jealousbsb owner
>>546305554it's fine if it's to make the headset cheaper. no one who seriously VR games uses AR shit. but if they're going to overprice it then fuck em.
>>546277640I was prepared for disappointment but this is even worse than I was expecting. It's just a quest 2 with a decent mic.
>>546305917Yeah hard to imagine they bothered with a native headset, but ignored the opportunity for mixed reality games. Those generally run on low end hardware pretty well. Now I'm sure they engineers said black and white cameras are more accurate for tracking, but come on color cameras wouldn't have added much to the cost.
>>546295583That depends. What's the status of your vaccination refund?
>>546306105This is an advertiser. He wants to know which onahole you jerk off with in combo with dick size to recommend girls to you on tinder.
>>546266969GARBAGGIO
>>546304856It's going to have that as an addon? Based. I don't want my neighbors to hear me moan.
>>546305638logic leap
imu trackers built into the controllers. you can put them behind you without losing tracking!!
it says it's wifi7can some nerd tell me if that means you could go above 2401mbps for streaming?
>>546306538>2401mbpsimagine the latency lmao
>>546306567>>546306467>>546306293enough samefagging, polish retard
>>546303035>competitivelyI mean double the price isn't really a competition.
>>5463065384800mbpst. pico 4 ultra
why does this thread have 847 posts
>>546282321it is not going to cost less than an index lmao reminder that you are still going to need base stations unless you plan to use slimes or any of the other garbage fbt solutions
>>546306890you living under a rock?
>>546306538not necessary, the video encoder is going to top out before that like with any other wireless headset
>>546306538no, the bitrate is decided by the processor. it would allow for a more stable connection though.
>>546306851>>546306718neat, 2nd questiondo any of the codecs allow you to go higher than they would on quest3?like av1 @400 (200 on quest) or h264+ @1000 (500 on quest)nvm>>546307052 got it while i was typing
>>546307107steam link is capped at 3000-400mbps I think so you'd need alvr to go higher
>>546307107>>546307229confirmed 4-5ms latency on shitty gpus
all that fucking around with those stupid fucking retarded knuckles just to come home to the CV1 touch design anywayI wonder how valve feels about losing all that money on an obviously shit design
>>546307590Is that good or bad?Also is a 9070 XT a shitty GPU in this context?I only ever played wired VR
>linux headsetmy zuckerslop is going straight in the trash
>>546307810knuckles are overrated. moving your fingers doesn't do that much for games
>>546307810its going to be comfy for me going from a CV1 to the frame
>>546307810Have you not discovered Eneloop Pro's?
>>546307923a 3070 or smth similar id say
>valve finally release a new headset>it's just an expensive quest 3>which is going to need a dozen attachments>and they are discontinuing index controllersidk if i can take another decade of the index being the best headset particularly since i wont be able to buy a new onecoping with pimax sword controllers and a bigmeme just sounds megadoodoo
>>546300039Really even if I don't have wifi6 or whatever router?
what are you guys binding to your spare button?assuming no changes to steamvr window (unlikely) I'll bind it to alt+tab, or maybe just togglemute
>>546308167it comes with one.
>>546306425I'm sure people will want a mouth tracker for VRChat and I'm also sure they aren't big enough of a market to make much money on.
>>546308217Instantly activating a "Rape everyone and leave" toggle in vrchat that does as the name implies
Alright give it to me straight then.I'm still on an OG vive cause I missed the index bus and didn't want to commit to the frankenzucc setup in the hope Valve wouldn't be shit.Now that it's looking pretty confirmed dogshit, what's the best option? How much of a hassle is it to make quest pro (or whatevers best from questoids now with FT/fingers I didnt pay attention) play nice with PCVR wirelessly? Is the bigmeme 2 (RMA lottery lmao) any better in comparison? How grim is it looking?I need other people who have actually owned these things to feed me opinions.
>>546308046that's a screenshot of the new steam frame controllers, they're battery powered exactly the same as the CV1 touch
mitigate>>546308285>>546308285>>546308285
>>546303812Not really, it has an ARM CPU, not an x86 one. All PC games will run like ass on it, because it's a 3 generation old smartphone CPU without hardware translation like Apple M series. Should be fine for Android games thoughbeit.
>>546306968Yes I do
>>546308217VirtAMate2>>546308324Yeah, this is fine. So is the Quest 3.
>>546308167Just play standalone. The Steam Frame does not require a PC at all.
>>546306794>Retard can't do basic math
>>546308153>wires>best
>>546286625>like expedition 33 breaking the mould of dog water generic writingBro shut the fuck up E33 literally uses the plot twist they tall you not to use because of how fucking bad it is in 3rd grade ("AND THEN SHE WOKE UP AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM")
>>546308513bad bait it's been proven wires offer lowest latency and fewest compromises
>>546306723What the fuck are you on about retard why am I so rent free in your headNone of these posts are me Im going back to bed to fix my sleeping schedule Retard
>>546308485512GB Quest 3 is $500, Valve Index is $1000, unless they're trying to suggest it's the price of the Index headset itself which I doubt. This happens every time.
>>546308513yeah despite wires and a relatively shit display the index has remained bis since launch because every company is pants on head retarded making products for a market which only exists in boardroomsat least one part of the index has been sold out permanently since launch and they are completely discontinuing itwhat the fuck is wrong with these people
>>546308826>at least one part of the index has been sold out permanently since launchYeah, the breakaway cable, since most of the people that moved to wireless were retards that don't know how to treat their cables gently.
>>546308732The index is not $1000. Base stations might be necessary for the index but they are also necessary for anyone who wants to use fbt ie anyone who actually plays vr.Valve have never and can never compete with Meta on cost anyway. It is retarded for them to even try and they should just make a great enthusiast product instead of this miserable piece of shit.
>>546308997>The index is not $1000.Yes it is>Valve have never and can never compete with Meta on cost anywaythen why say>I wonder if they're gonna try to price it competitively with the Quest 3.
>>546308997>The index is not $1000crazy ass revisionist history lmao
>>546308969funny name for controllers and base stations
>>546308826you live in fucking fantasyland and you're just going to keep making excuses to avoid spending money for an upgrade
>>546307810>Still pretending the finger tracking mattered when (you) don't even show enough meaningful body language to utilize it
>>546309220>upgradeok zuckbot we get it you want to try to get me to tape some shit to my head and modify a garbage headset with hundreds of dollars of addons, deal with crappy software to try to sync playspaces, spend 15 minutes calibrating before getting on anything...we get it man, you want other people to suffer
>>546309147the headset is $500 the full kit with controllers and basestations is $1000
>>546309416Are you going to buy the Frame without controllers?
>>546309147>>546309167>i can't readBase stations might as well be added to the cost of every headset. They still aren't optional. What are you going to do? Use slimes? Lmao.
>>546309361what are you even talking about? nothing of what you have said has any ounce of reality. stay in fantasyland I guess.
>>546309491I already have knucklels so it will depend on the price
>>546309498There are those baseless HTC FBT trackers
>>546308153>"Valve Index is le best headset!">Yet always begging for a new oneSure.
>>546309220>implying i haven't tried a questthe quest is literally the cheapest headset so saying "you don't want to spend money" is a strange anglethe index still has>best audio>best latency>best fov>best tracking>best controllers>best supportthe only areas it fails in are>optics>cablewith optics being the worst part but not that much worse than other lcd headsets anyway
Guys, no new thread, its over
>>546309834it has bad optics when the thing is called head mounted display which means the optics are literally the point
>>546309834So don't buy a quest? What does that have to do with thinking the index is the best headset.
>>546309904Use your eyes
>>546309498Only one game actually uses FBT in any "meaningful" way, so yes they are optional. And if Fluxpose actually ends up being good, this point is extra moot.
>>546309612Yeah, and there is kinect too.
>>546308732Almost the whole chain of replies is about how testers asked about pricing and Valve said its gonna cost less than index
>>546310057Sorry I see only in black and white now
>>546286603>all of the random addons you'd have to spend several hundred dollars Like face tracking? Like actual eye tracking (still unconfirmed afaik and to my knowledge other headsets with 'eye tracking' don't even track eyelids
>>546310019>audio doesn't matter>tracking doesn't matter>latency doesn't matter>not having to sync playspaces doesn't matter>mic doesn't mattersure thingi really do wish that the index was not the best headset but it simply is>>546310050>what does comparing something to its alternatives have to do with thinking it is the best?>>546310086>if pigs fly then this point is moot
>>546309147>>I wonder if they're gonna try to price it competitively with the Quest 3.Nigger I'm a different anon from the one that said the index isn't $1k don't put me together with them
>>546310331>shitty optics>shitty resolutionIndex was outdated even 5 years ago. I really pity anyone still using it.
>>546310331>if pigs flyYeah okay, you gonna ignore the other half of my post? Or lemme guess, you're gonna say you NEED VRC and FBT to be a "real VR gamer".kys retard
>>546310297what scares me is the very real possibility that valve might be retarded enough to not feature full eye tracking
>>546310678>you're gonna say you NEED VRC and FBT to be a "real VR gamer".yes>>546310585tried a quest pro and went back to index with zero regretsyes the visuals are worse and yes there is a cable but literally everything else is betteri would rather have a cable than sync playspaces every day
>>546310854what the fuck is "sync playspaces" I've used a quest and never had to do that.
mahjong anyone?
>>546310979lmao at your opinions then
>>546310854I slide my vive tracker into the mount on my quest pro, I click start steamvr in virtual desktop, and it just works.
>>546311292???ok ur just trolling then
>>546310678To be fair, you do need face and eye tracking too in the modern vrc meta or you will be looked down upon.
>>546311404Shut the FUCK up
>>546311323lucky you my quest pro would piss its pants and cry at me every few hours breaking everything and forcing me to restart because i turned the lights off
>>546311180mmmwhy notwagie hours just finished
>>546311404what are the options for face/eyetracking meta now
>>546311819that's the neat part, if you didn't get qpro you are stuck as lower class
>>546311704not using dimmable bulbs in the current year? The quest pro doesn't need a lot of light, it just needs enough to make out a few shapes to keep as track points.
>>546311747okay hosting one in 5-10m
>>546310469>thinking the frame will be price competitively compared to the quest 3 and>The index is not $1000.both are retarded comments
>>546312008i had a some ir bulbs and it worked most of the time but then it would shit its pants after 2 hours or so and kick me to the zucc menu which just broke everythingi don't want dimmable bulbs i want pitch darkness outside my headset and particularly with the quest pro which had huge open space at the bottomif this was not a solved problem it would bother me less but i didn't even need the piece of shit to attempt to track itself because i had a puc on it
>>546311997so its literally qpro or bust?fucking zucc
>>546309608They said in the Tested interview that there are only two SKUs (256GB and 1TB). I doubt they're going to sell the controllers separately or just the headset itself.
come play mahjong https://vrch.at/a7r5qwdy
>>546313214Why did you make your finger holders things tongue sized? Do they get sweaty after jonging?
did it finally happen bros? is deckard out?
>>546314250yeah, and it's shit
literally what compelled them to use AA batteries on the controllers.what is this, 2006? oops, my controllers batteries ran out, guess ill run to the store to buy a fresh packlike wtf
>>546314834if you never had CV1, you don't realize that AA powered controllers are the miracle of the universe>have four AAs>two charge>two game>oh no, battery's low>swap in two seconds>continuei wish my knuckles were battery powered
>>546314834It uses batteries? no fucking way. it's gonna give me flashbacks to that microsoft headset. And is there actually no way to physically connect it to your pc?
>>546314834>what are rechargable AAsOh yeah, I would rather have some proprietary built-in batteries that I can't get replacements for when they shit the bed
i don't like that the controllers don't have cameras, will they even work behind your head
>>546315205again, 2006 ass techi did this for my xbox 360 controlleri do kinda still want it tho i wanna play vidya in bed
>>546315364>old bad, because it just is, okay?Zoomzoom
>>546315364quest controllers use AA batteries too, it's pretty normal for VR controllers.
>>546314834>literally what compelled them to use AA batteries on the controllers.Reason compelled them. Rechargeable AAs are peak.
>>546315212nowelcome to slamslop
>>546315212quest pro controllers are shit
>>546315212Who cares about that? Important features are the ability to play standalone and play flat games not good tracking. The future of vr is just wearing a monitor so you can play flat games.
