'Now-veece' or the more appropriate 'Novice'?

SEX with the engineer.

>>546295224
I'm pretty sure /v/ lurkers are medically retarded.

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You really can cheese onlygleba with planting more trees and spamming pipes to mark your territory so pentapods don't get a chance to get inside your pollution cloud.

That said, I've found the mod to be really tedious up to now. It feels like a fulgora start, if fulgora had overwhelmingly powerful enemies and you had no way to get rid of excess production, and if you stopped production for a handful of minutes everything stopped.

You need to perfect ratio everything, which is doable up to blue science. You get 2 belts of iron and one of copper, plus 4 plastic a second and rocket fuel. But the problem is that there is no way to sink copper, and you're going to get several chests full of gears just to make sure you keep the flow going. You can rerout iron into steel, but there's no way to efficiently dispose of copper on its own. I've had ocean dumping enabled for gleba, but since gleba is technically just a retextured nauvis, it actually didn't work because while you have the option to throw stuff in marsh tiles, they don't actually count as marsh tiles because you're on the wrong planet. I thought only later in the run to add the flare stack mod to indiscriminately get rid of the thousands of plates that would get through, especially since recyclers are 1 thousand space AND production science. That just meant that the only way to handle an excess of copper plates was to stash it in a chest and shoot the chest.
I ended up manually bulk crafting a lot of things because of that and ended up being annoyed a lot of the time.

Avoiding the pentapods was actually easy. I never got attacked once and only needed to plant down some turrets while eating bioflux to run away down south to my yumako farm, which is making 5 times more pollution than my 72 electric furnace smelting array.

I played safely by bulk crafting instead of making a base, but it was incredibly annoying. I would want to start over with the knowledge I've acquired now.
>>546359814
Now-vis.

>>546295224
I'm pretty sure /egg/ lurkers are genius.

>>546360263
SEX with (You)

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>>546359814
Gleebüss!

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>>546360731
Oh right, and it goes without saying that in this run I scavenged something like 1K stromatolites by hand just to get a headstart on getting electric furnaces which was the safest and most optimal play possible (no pollution + free resources) but it was a gigantic pain int he fucking ass even with bioflux's 150% mining speed.

I think this time around I'm going to keep the manual mining to a minimum, place my furnaces away from my base in an area with lots of trees near one of the marshes since they have the highest amount of pollution per tile absorption, and make sure to manually plant a ton of slipstacks from slipstack agriculture at the start of the game in the water around my base for passive reduction. You make them out of spoilage and water and they're supposed to be an alternative to stone mining, but ironically enough a mining drill with 3 efficiency 1 modules makes a third of the pollution with onlygleba, because they're hardcoded to emit pollution here (I think it might be a compat or an addition or a bug, since the base mod doesn't actually make the slipstack release spores, but I think it's pretty cool)
Overall with an infinite supply of bioflux for comparatively little pollution, which you can also contain with plants, and a way of disposing of excess with flare stack before launching a rocket, I think this will go much more smoothly and I won't have to cower breaking rocks for 8 hours straight so I can make electric furnaces before starting to make a base.
my main issue was the creation of fuel but it turns out you can churn a ludicrous amount of spoilage out of bioflux by letting the nutrients rot, and even at 250 kj with it's power-dense enough that a single inserter can continuously feed a furnace. And again, bioflux is infinite and pollution can be contained.
It also pays to put your boilers in a marsh near your jellynuts, since they make half the pollution of your yumakos and the marsh tiles absorb large amounts of pollution.

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>>546361491
I read this like the Google Translate female Finnish voice

>>546361748
>the glebussy.png
>instant boner
That modder knew exactly what he was doing.

>we recently crossed the 1 million sales mark, and over fifty thousand engineers have claimed their stars in the Galaxy of Fame
One year later, and only 5% of the players cleared the game.
Isn't it a really weird flex, in retrospective?

>>546366035
that does not mean 5% of players cleared Spage. it just means 5% of players uploaded their worlds to the galaxy, nothing else. when it came out I played it with a couple of friends and only I uploaded to the galaxy – why bother uploading it multiple times? the figure is probably a lot higher, maybe even 20%. steam achivements should be more representative, but even that is highly misleading both because of mods and because it doesn't take into account only spage buyers, and it currently sits at 1.7% of all Factorio owners.

>>546364698
That's just what gleba looks like.

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>we still can't drop nukes from orbit to simulate Exterminatus

>>546367020
Even more heinous :
>https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Kux-OrbitalIonCannon
>Doesn't make use space platforms.
It pains me.

What's the ideal amount of railguns for a trip to the shart planet

>>546360731
>But the problem is that there is no way to sink copper
huh?
why not just stop breeding copper bacteria when the belt's full?
does onlygleba now make iron spoil into copper or something?

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I keep forgetting that you can pin other parts of the factory like bookmarks with added view with alt+rightclick, incredible useful on pyanodon

>>546367475
This mod appears cooler than it actually is, in game it's not impressive. I recommend M.I.R.V. instead.

>>546368465
Fuck me that's great to check out on your labs

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Did some more thorough testing and no, it doesn't seem like gleban trees actually take any pollution damage. They're permanent sinks. I do not know if this is intended, but this means that if you actually destroy any of the gleban vegetation you're gimping yourself out of a free infinite pollution sink on the planet where pollution calls in stompers.
>>546368197
>why not just stop breeding copper bacteria when the belt's full?
If you stop breeding copper bacteria, the copper bacteria die and then you have to burn through yumako mash for a chance of getting more bacteria, which means another lane that only feeds yumako periodically whenever the belt is empty, which is kind of a mess to deal with.
It's less of a headache for me to keep the process going than restart it periodically. I'd rather burn through plates than add another lane and add even more complexity to the system.

>>546352885
i got the save working and made a quick video tour
https://litter.catbox.moe/yhpiibbjpfhasa0c.webm

i'm drawing the plan from this video
>>546350752
yes

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>>546369117
Actually, maybe not. I upped the pollution to 300 a second instead of 200 in the main tile and the chunk started to absorb less pollution going from 32.22 to 31.98, the pollution graphs does say that I'm damaging the trees occasionally, so they might just get completely deleted. I should probably test with just a singular tree with an empty chunk and see if it vanishes.

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Oh wow I see what it is. Gleban trees actually have withering stages like regular trees, with their own custom sprites and everything.
I genuinely didn't know that was a thing at all. There's no pollution on gleba per se, I think, it's just spores, so this must have been some kind of old code that never got implemented?
Still, very interesting. I have to test if they actually regain "foilage" if you stop polluting as well. The description and yield for the plant remains the same.

>>546360263
Depends on which engineer, feel like the Satisfactory one wouldn't be bad

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>>546369742
>variation :4
oh yeah definitely the same thing, 4 stages of damage
these things are just the same as nauvisian trees
the wiki doesn't say anything about this either, that's great
and it shouldn't even come up in a regular playthrough either (unless gleban trees absorb spores?, this must all be legacy code by now since
>2.0.43:
>Trees no longer take damage from spores nor absorb spores as a result of taking pollution damage.
>Gleba wetlands, lowlands, and water tiles now absorb 3 times as many spores as other tiles.
Basically up to ~30 versions ago gleban trees worked the same way as regular trees, but they've removed that mechanic and it's only working with onlygleba
I wonder if this is intentional, or some weird code quirk
sorry for the message spam but that's really fucking interesting

>>546370052
knowing satisfactory, it's probably some dysgenic mysterymeat mutt inside that baggy ass suit

>>546359352
octopoxho

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pain

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even before this happened I had prepared for the eventuality
glad I fucking did so because I've tried replacing it 4 times now and every time it seems some biter nigger paths through it

>>546372540
I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually craft blue circuits in py.
Still, if you are already mass producting reds, which are a substantial milestone, I don't see why not.

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>>546369165
geographical situation of the base. If you want to plant the dishes on a hill, I'd go for the west, north west ones, depending how far you wanna go. Also, even the small sat dish needs a frame for support. I remember anon was scanning for deep mining too so that'll be something to take into account

>>546373715
Therum...

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elongated egg

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>>546369165
And here's the plan of our current build with enough blank space on the side to make your own stuff. I'll be working on shit we'll have to do and make a plan of that

>>546375101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqfLxCFdXaE

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Does the chaos in one's factory reflect chaos in one's own life? Is it disorganization and inability to handle things, or simply shedding all excesses in pure pursuit of a goal further ahead?

>>546377508
it's a game you fucking sperg

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>>546377934
REALLY?!?!? Thanks for telling me, I thought I was remotely controlling a real engineer

Before I start making trains in py should I 1-1-1 or 1-2-1?

>>546379016
more like before you start making trains in py realize that future trains will have half-sized cargo wagons and prepare accordingly so you don't have to swap out stations in the future

i'm going for 1-1 because i think it'd be funny, i also want to see how far can i push a design with multiple inline stations on a single track and see if it works if i maximize loading/unloading speed (with loaders if need be)

>riven absolutely wrecking his own train mod and going afk for 11months

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>>546375226
here's plans on what should be changed

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>>546375226
and here's plans (structure only) on what I think should be done. Light purple means frame as floor, dark purple means frame as wall. Stairwells are numbered for simplicity. Basement is shifted right, floor 2 is shifted down so they should be easy to match. Trader should have enough space to have piping or chutes go to the trader controls. I havent placed frames for turbines and dishes since they're kind of whatever in the distance. I also havent planned the items but we're getting there

>>546379220
Nani. I'll go on editor and see the higher tier train wagons

any spengies have intermediate/advanced guides, or advice/references on useful things to build and effective designs? For example, I've currently got a planetary base and am surveying asteroids, I figure next run I want to make a drone I can detach to better navigate asteroids, but I've no clue how to do it.

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>>546382358
here's both types of trains side by side. there's even higher tiers but they're either the full wagons or the half wagons.

>>546359352
Stationeers is just straight up confusing change my mind
(not for casuals)
it is confusing

>>546382387
I'm also interested in this, just to give me ideas for my own build

I keep ragequitting Satisfactory. I just started Tier 2, really new to the game, but every time I try to make progress on anything, I just get frustrated because I have to totally redesign everything to make another resource I don't have enough of. Like I finally unlocked coal power, I was excited because I'm sick of constantly having to restock biomass, but then I realize my factory is nowhere near any coal or water, so I need to run a huge pipeline for water, using huge quantities of copper sheets I've not had to make yet, but still need to keep my iron factory going, so instead of finally getting automated power, I've just doubled my need to go pick fucking leaves for power instead. The game was really fun until it suddenly wasn't.

>>546385014
>I ... quit Satisfactory
Keep at it, champ!

>>546385014
leaf pikka

>>546385014
>but then I realize my factory is nowhere near any coal or water,
Just find some coal next to water and build your coal powered generators right there? And then all you need is a power line back to base.
Currently dicking around at tier 6 and didn't find the switch to coal power too terrible.

>>546378320
I wouldn't doubt it.

>>546379016
I would say 1-2-1 is good standard based on the server experience but 1-1-1 works as well and honestly I don't think nothing would change if we magically swapped over to 1-1-1. You wouldn't want anything bigger than that for general items, maybe for ores you could do bigger if you wanted but then you would need multiple sizes of stations and trains which while not impossible to handle or anything would be a pain. Like the other guy said be aware that the mk2 and mk4 trains use half sized wagons so build to that standard from the start so you don't get fucking bamboozled like we did on the serb.
The short cranes are sized correctly for the smaller wagons so you can use them to make a station layout even with the mk1 wagons and just have 2 per wagon.

>>546385014
this is the answer >>546385476
power is the same as any other product, if it's easier to produce on-site and only ship the end product, that's what you do

>>546385014
It's okay. Satisfactory sucks. Free yourself. Don't look back.

>>546389523
Any recommendations for alternatives (that are available on Xbox)?

>>546390083
>console player
Oh. I'm so sorry for you, dude...

>>546385014
You're doing the equivalent of growing a fruit in south america to be cut in china and packaged in europe to be sold in north america, of course you'd be frustrated

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Tell me /egg/
What is the next Starbase?

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>>546381371
>>546381680
I think instead of moving solars to the top of atmos we do pic, so we have less funky cable management, though having some solar dedicated to atmos would not be a bad idea.
Main wire is placeholder

>moving the atmos airlock
I will see if it even needs to be moved soonish, it might be fine where it is

>>546397471
been asking that ever since it died

depressed knowing i'm autistic but not THIS autistic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xkVJq6F880

>>546397706
>if it even needs to be moved
originally there would be piping to deal with the arc furnace and furnace exhausts around there. I also wanted the airlocks close together so they could be easily piped. Current airlock also used a frame for roof which blocks some space in the above floor. I guess making the piping for atmo is next step in the plan then

>>546399567
blocked this nigga after seeing his opinionated as fuck "rules of thumb" or whatever vids recommended

>>546400141
average bluesky post

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iron is really lacking right now but I'm working on simiks so ain't doing that right now

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I'm already having a lot more fun: I didn't want to mine 1 thousand stromatolites of each kind again to get access to electric furnaces so I thought of something kind of silly.

Interestingly enough, it seems to work. It's not polished compared to the regular version because it needs a much higher throughput than I can give it at the moment (biochambers quite literally weren't made to be used with just fast inserters without hand upgrades) but a line of steel furnaces requires ~8.5 spoilage to run, which I can easily achieve by making nutrients spoil. A spoilage ->carbon approach would be more energy efficient but each row needs 1 carbon a second and I'd need 8 biochambers to reach that goal instead of 2, and on top of that I actually make a trickle more spoilage than my furnaces need, which means that I can power a single boiler, and this setup uses around two steam engines worth of power. The interesting part is that it has to be primed with spoilage first, I need 1.5K nutrients in each chest before I start adding the bacteria, that's 5 minutes worth of spoilage and it makes sure that my fuel line does not run out.
I cut the bioflux production in half because at 4 pollution per second per furnace, I am actually worried that this will actually trigger a pentapod attack. But at the very least this will give me enough materials to transition towards electric furnaces and efficiency modules.

>continuing the randomizer suffering
>finally time to go to space, platform starter pack recipe is piss easy, just 1 concrete, 1 landfil and 180 belt immunity equipment
>go to check the platforms themselves
>locked behind gleba
I- what
I guess the only way to expand the platforms is to keep making new ones, harvesting and dropping all their platforms back to Nauvis and launching them back up to my real ship until I do Gleba, huh

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>Captain of Industry
why isnt it a more popular /egg/?

>>546405094
too many people filtered by the half a dozen potential death spirals

>>546405094
I didn't like it because it's 90% colony management, and 10% egg.
Also I'm not that good at colony management games and it's a relatively hard one.

>>546405094
it's a constant race to not fucking die, i wanna make factories and logistic systems not be constantly running for my life

>>546405094
proper egg games should allow you to sit for great amounts of time tinkering with something for fun
if the game is constantly pressuring you and you have to react or else you'll lose, it's a puzzle game
a lot of egg games have a "puzzle mode" then
i don't know if CoI has an "egg" mode then or if it's "full puzzle"
mini metro could be an egg game too, but like CoI the default mode is a puzzle game

>>546411463
col isn't a puzzle game

>you design then build something
it's an engineering game
>you beat a specific goal using the provided tools
it's a puzzle game
neither excludes the other

>>546411884
then mini metro is an egg game (it isn't)

>>546412304
what is engineering if not solving a puzzle

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>>546397706
>>546399830
looks like we have plenty of space in atmos

>>546412732
puzzle implies a challenge constructed by somebody, often with a specific solution in mind
engineering implies using creativity to tackle an open-ended variety of problems, and the challenges are often self-imposed
that's in real life
in game design the two have much greater overlap

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>>546413110
>hey buddy we need a bridge over this 500m body of water that needs to fit 25m boats and less than $100m
>yeah I love puzzles glad i'm not an engineer

>>546413971
it's an engineering GAME thread, anon

>>546413061
well, we have a second floor right? You wanna build something or keep it open for pipes? We can have tanks on the second floor since these dont need frame, while filtration and cie do need a frame and can be below. It always look like you have plenty of space anyway, until you start to pipe everything: filtration, temp control, water prod, it all takes a lot of space and pipes

>>546413971
>requirements, but no single solution
what you've described is an engineering challenge according to my definition
also you seem to have ignored the part where I say a problem can often be both at the same time
are you just looking for something to be angry about? maybe you need to get some fresh air, anon

>>546414763
We are almost certain to need 4x6x2 with everything, but short term stuff can go into the 1x6x2 leftover

>>546415362
back when I was designing PCBs I had fun time solving the puzzles of fitting as many components and connections on as little space and vias as possible. Wonder if humans still do that or if it's all replaced by AI nowadays...

>>546412714
no one said it was

>>546416319
it's also a game that allows you to "design and engineer"*
>* with a lethal time restriction component that is always pressuring you along with death spirals
CoI and mini metro are puzzle games

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do you like my airship fuel

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>>546415762
i thought we could have the tanks for everything on the second level, maybe with a hole in the middle for ease of piping. How do you wanna do filtration and cooling btw? Filtration could be all linked together or daisy chained idk which is better. Cooling we want the /pol/ 3x AC units i guess, with a tank or something for the 20°C stage?

>>546417292
Factorio is in fact a cart racer because you drive a car around obstacles and getting off the pavement slows you down!

>>546419052
other anon was right, when was the last time you experienced sunlight?

>>546417292
no you can put CoI on pause to design nice stuff, but it's still annoying

>>546420026
>turn-based puzzle game

>>546419493
Listing things you can do in a game doesn't mean it's suddenly a different genre. col isn't a puzzle game.

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I don't have the time to commit to a new game right now but I just want to say that whatever you stationeers nerds have going on seems real damn comfy, especially with shit like posting floor plans for your base in the thread to discuss renovations expansions.

>>546420898
>Listing things you can do in a game doesn't mean it's suddenly a different genre
>things in a game don't determine its genre
...what?

/egg/, I am going to play and I require only your most autistic engineering games

>>546421717
Again Factorio is then a cart racer.

>>546418931
i forgot to ask, is the knowledgable trader anon joining next time?
if so, i'll probably stick to pyserb so i'm not wasting oxygen and cereal bars
otherwise, i'll stop my autistic focus on in-game reverse engineering of trader satellite dish errors, load the save, then see what needs doing
>>546421795
ironically or unironically posting that is embarrassing

>>546422150
so is saying coi is a puzzle game which is why i'm illustrating it with an equally stupid statement

>>546422252
CoI plays like mini metro, a puzzle game. maybe "strategy" game is better? last time i played it, i never felt like i would in factorio because all of my time in game is spent triaging issues to prevent death spirals. i have a hard time imagining "a cool build" as a concept in CoI

before this devolves into a full-blown autistic slapfight over definitions:
a friendly reminder that genres are an impression-based classification and as such greatly depend on personal opinion
as such the key to rewarding discussion is using phrases like "to me it feels like X because it focuses on Y" without trying to assert absolute truths
or just be a sperg, I have popcorn

>>546423451
>as such the key to rewarding discussion is using phrases like "to me it feels like X because it focuses on Y" without trying to assert absolute truths
Not only is my opinion the objective truth on the matter but shutting retards like this down hard is imperative because they are doing this in an attempt to shit up the thread and the board in more general way because inevitably he will then start posting coi in the puzzle games general or what ever only to be told to fuck off from there as well. If you feed someone who is mentally ill with welcoming language then you end up with boat load of mentally ill retards around.

>>546422150
he's probably coming, at least if he cans
>>546423451
there's a "genre" called "action adventure" and it's so damn broad it could be a lot of things. Similarly if you go on semantics, every game is an RPG since you play a role in every game. Can we just stay on CoI is /egg/, just not as popular as other big shot /egg/ games? I've never received negative responses when posting and asking for help on CoI here. In fact Satisfactory gets more anger from /egg/ despite being pure /egg/ autism

>>546405765
>90% colony management
I'm more being pedantic than having any point to prove but isn't civil engineering (allegedly) a type of engineering?

>>546423815
>Not only is my opinion the objective truth
imagine unironically typing that out then calling others mentally ill
if you go by steam's "similar games" you can see that unlike other egg games, it has a lot of overlap with city builder and strategy games
i never expressed CoI discussion should be removed from this general and "should instead be posted in the puzzle games general", this is your schizophrenic headcanon
for a city builder, it is quite autistic, so it finds its home here
the time pressure of it makes it more of a strategy or puzzle game than a city builder or engineering game
i'm not an absolute nigger who thinks "others' opinions need to be shut down" like you

>>546423815
>>546423862
the duality of anon

I never said anything about being welcoming
I pointed out a frequent rhetorical mistake in hope of avoiding, well, this
egg anons are remarkably prone to the "objective opinion" meme

>>546425083
If your "impression" is that coi is a puzzle game then you deservedly need to be called a retard and that's not a "rhetoric mistake" merely a fact. It's a guy arguing semantics in an egg thread that alone warrants maximum hostility. Especially when he immediately doubled down after being told off peacefully after the first post.

>>546425362
you're the anon who was defensive about soviet nuclear orphan sources, aren't you?

>>546425362
I have yet to state my opinion one way or another
and that is, in fact, an objective fact
it didn't stop you from frothing

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>>546424776
>steam's "similar games"
haha yea

>>546425631
I didn't call you a retard but perhaps I should have if that's your level of reading comprehension

>>546425639
palworld on /egg/ wen

>>546425639
There's a lot of survival games there which is easily explained by the fact that Factorio is in fact a survival horror game since it's a clone of dead space with it's armored engineer fighting aliens in space theme

>>546424776
I'm not sure I agree with your point about time pressure, it just means that your engineering needs to be approached from a temporal perspective as well. A tiered design that can go from early to middle to late without major hitches.
Like I don't really care for time pressure in my /egg/ because it's just not what's fun for me but I don't think that makes it not an egg game. I think the point about 'so restrictive a design space that a game is closer to a puzzle game' has a bit more merit it, but you can have that without time pressure and likewise can have time pressure without it being to that extent.

>>546425990
i thought factorio was just a follow up to ss13...

>>546426290
>time pressure... because it's just not what's fun for me
thta's why i really didn't like mini metro when i played it (it looked /egg/y at first) and my brain wired the "puzzle" tag to the time pressure aspect of it
then i played CoI, then i found that same kind of time pressure that killed the engineering "vibe", so my mind reapplied the "puzzle" tag
in the same vein, factorio is obviously an /egg/ game, but i'd say that going for the "there is no spoon achievement" is more of a puzzle game in the exact same way than an engineering game
then again, feel free to substitute "puzzle" with anything else because that's merely the word that my brain has associated the heavy time constraint to, that kind of time constraint being the one that takes the fun out of an engineering game and makes it feel not like an engineering game at all

>>546426392
not enough clowns

>>546426851
what do you mean not enough clowns, have you seen this thread?

>>546426392
Heh... an easy mistake to make since the association with Factorio and SS13 is obvious due to the fact that you can in fact change the color of the Factorio engineer like a SS13 character can change his or her clothes which would put Factorio in the genre of dress up games like SS13 but you are mistaken. The true connection in this case is actually Factorios roots in The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim™ due to both games not being set in Hammerfell which makes Factorio an RPG classic. It even follows the same basic plot where you get taken in with a vehicle trough an opening cutscene which then ends in disaster.

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>>546427065

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Genuinely shocked that it's working properly.
I'm burning jellynuts neat for power because I don't even have access to rocket fuel yet so I gotta step it up big time and bulk craft a buttload of science right now but other than that it's a success
I am going to need to keep an eye on it because the ratios are all whack and I might not actually get enough bioflux at the very end right about now but I think I can research inserter capacity very quickly and fix my problems.

>>546383878
how goes your search for platinum/uranium, fellow spenge?

why is it stationeers dont have unpowered pressure release valve this feels like a gross oversight...

>>546435691
make a mod

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>>546413110
So, given Timberborn doesn't actually have any goals still, that makes it a 'purely engineering' game?

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>>546413061
i still think it's a tight fit. I got tanks for every gas, one for fuel, one for liquid water and one for waste. Water production and A/C (3 daisy chained) seem to fit but I've got no temperature control for any of those yet so it's probably too tight how I built them. We probably should leave enough room for additions too, so 6x4 is definitely not enough. I'd go 7x4 at least

>>546438598
beavers are god's first little engineers, aren't they?
it'd be fitting

>>546439219
what about ants

>>546441569
untapped market potential, let's make an /egg/ game about ants

>>546430793
>suddenly
>loads of U found
>Pt still nowhere in sight
goddammit RNGzus

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what video game lets me engineer waifubots?

how/when do you transition from yellow belt starter base to red bus base? this is always the most awkward part for me in every playthrough

>>546443512
Generally around blue science, either right before or after bots, I upgrade my smelting lines - just replace stone furnaces with steel and the yellow belts feeding them with red.

>>546421734
modded minecraft
you can spend days to weeks to months just setting up a modpack
>>>/vg/mmcg/

>>546443014
there's that one game that's like armored core/zone of the enders but with girls. dunno if it even has customization tho
>>546443512
just use whatever belt and upgrade as needs dictate? as for when, I typically start bussin once I have a starter mall, typically around unlocking oil
>>546443874
this is why I didn't start that yet

>>546441569
I'm not really fond of microtopia to be honest, there is one about squirrels though thats timberborn-ish.

>>546420643
I know this one
>what is Into the Breach

>>546421734
Just play py I suddenly have a game with uncountable hours to sink

>>546445604
i bought into it because i liked ftl but it was kinda boring as all hell..

>>546442105
well that was intense
>stubbornly looking for Pt even as my battery charge dwindles
>thinking of making some solar panels if I can find mats in unknown signal drops
>finally remember I can mine stone
>panic when I realize I need a large grid assembler to make bulletproof glass
>remember I can create a connector to power the assembler with what's left on my ship
>producing components with battery charge counting down in the seconds
>cockpit goes dark
>go to withdraw... managed to make last component by the skin of my teeth
>realize as I'm building the panel that glass is optional
fucking Pt WHERE ARE YOU

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It's supposed to be a helmet, but I just see a spengies landing gear.

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I unlocked trains in CoI for the very first time. But instead of being excited, I'm filled with dread at having to learn a slightly different system because they seem not to work the usual way
Are they useful nowadays?

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>>546446917
why did you make it keep stopping and starting like that

>Another episode of windows updates break my handheld and have to reinstall a variety of other things
Thanks microsoft. Why does this happen?

>>546454653
>Why does this happen?
Substandard coders using AI because the man at the top wants to pump Microsoft's stock price and investors are scrambling to invest in whoever can actually make AI profitable

You think WIndows is shit now? Just you wait. Not only is it going to get more unstable and run like a fucked cat, it's going to double in filesize within the next five years

>>546455270
good thing i won't be able to access the internet without an id by that time so probably won't use a pc at all and farm carrots instead

>>546453303
Looks like scary troll face to me

i tried to play anno pax romana and it just makes me want to play factorio instead

TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT
https://ahwoo.com/store/KPbAA1Au/kitten-space-agency

>>546460701
>https://ahwoo.com/store/KPbAA1Au/kitten-space-agency
>"Players will need .NET 9"
>"Kitten Space Agency is currently built for Windows"
top zozzle

i fucking forgor to add a fuel belt to oxygen furnaces..

>>546462069
It works on Linux just install dotnet9 and run it
Very glitchy at the moment though

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>>546443014
>game
RL or bust

>>546468665
she got the drip daymn

>>546468665
>I̸̷I̴̵ Doŋ'̨̧̼̻̞̫̘͉̯T ̶ͣf̨͐fͣ͠f̴̵eel s̛͋Ǫ͆O̷̶̸ G̶̚G̽͘G͘oOD, ̷̶̸AN̷̶̸oN.
Talk about leaving someone in pieces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DKLTYd9Atc
really liked this dude's py part 1 vid, it's condensed enough it's not a slog to watch

>>546453303
I just see Steam logo gore
btw kill everyone who makes their logo be a darkblue to lightblue gradient

how much of a "never setting foot on this planet ever again" is the biter meteor modifier?

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>>546473854
You know, when I woke up this morning and I told myself: I really need an random ass frog to make a 45 second teaser for a hyper niche mod of a relatively niche game to hype up his second ever video about said mod from said game.

>>546448683
to each his own, but I wasn't being facetious before
I've come to think of it as a logic puzzle generator disguised as a strategy game
it's very often about finding the right combination of moves and attacks to deal with a seemingly hopeless board state
I cannot count the number of times I spent like 20 minutes on a single turn, and finally figuring out the solution is immensely satisfying

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How do you build a fusion setup that doesn't look stupid anyway?

I guess the map icon looks like a cool Medusa head at least.

>>546477449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU-Dj08ZFII

>>546477967
We linking videos that don't address anything and are just related content instead? Check out this videogame related video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb5TdfacXTI

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>coal liquefaction requires crushed coal
>crushed coal requires coal to go through a crusher
>crushers cannot be built in space
>there is no space building that can crush coal
and there it is

>>546483048
I don't get it

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>>546483048
Check dependencies and double-check the production chain(s).
It's more likely that you've missed something.
I knew TRash weren't the brightest bunch, but not like this.

>>546477449
you've almost made a tileable reactor ring, a little extra work and you'll be able to expand it infinitely
now just make a section of generators you can easily blueprint

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>>546486928
i wish us TR would have a real life gathering in canada too

>>546483048
>crushers cannot be built in space
wat

>>546460701
It's just a tech demo unfortunately

>>546475023
It's not really that bad. Most biter meteor planets have a low amount of biters making it easy to kill all of them and then set up meteor defence and not have to worry about biters. Of course due to the randomness of it eventually one will make it through, but that's a small price to pay.

gleba has the most relaxing music.

>>546494814
SEx

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Found a cheeky litte way to boost a yellow belt into a red belt for a couple of hours.
Usecase is extremely limited but it will help in this very specific situation.

can you force items to spoil faster?

>>546515749
wait for a longer period of time

>>546515749
Nutrients can be directly turned into spoilage via the recycler (Better than letting it spoil, since you get 2.5x spoilage per nutrient instead of 1:1)
The Recycler implies that all biological stuff can get turned into spoilage but that doesn't seem to be the case.

>>546516962
Only after saying this do I realize I could force generate a ton of spoilage by mass producing nutrients.
>>546515749
If what you want to spoil can be turned into nutrients, go for that. What's your use case?

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>[...] people who genuinely consider that limitation to be a problem. do they not know or do they refuse to use the feature so hard that the game as to adjust to there play style?
>It's a mod.

>>546516962
That's actually very interesting.

>>546517357
next time quote people

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>there is no First World track builder
I have made a terrible mistake

>>546517203
>If what you want to spoil can be turned into nutrients, go for that. What's your use case?
>>546516962
>Nutrients can be directly turned into spoilage via the recycler

I'm the idiot who decided to try the randomizer mod, and the recipe for space platforms, in addition to being gleba only, takes about 105 items that are a result of spoilage every second, so I'm trying to figure out how the fuck do I tackle that problem basically
but yeah thanks, I might have some ideas on this problem

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>>546517637
Even on the Soviet side, the medium customs house doesn't sell the EDK-300, only the large one does. Nightmare scenario.

so what the fuck is the point of pyanodon biofluid networks? wow, you can use one pipe instead of 10! at the cost of even more shit you have to juggle anyway! and nomf nomf tasty UPS!

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>>546477449
Make it tileable

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>make blueprint with assembly/setup instructions
>decide it's obvious where each thing belongs if you look
>come back to it a month later
>it's absolutely not
I'm glad I learned the lesson before doing this to someone.

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>>546521536
I'm going to touch the fucking bird

>>546443512
When I switch over to construction robots, and by plopping down a custom assembly machine.

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>>546359352
Bros, im getting so stressed out cus I suck at making a mall early game. MY first time I played I used a blueprint from someone else but now on my 2nd playthrough im forcing myself to make my own designs but my mall ends up being massive and spaghetti like

>>546460701
>no vehicle builder and it crashes when the game has to render a planetary surface
the last part is probably because i'm on linux, but i'd rather wait for a more stable build than dig up the solution to my problem when there is so little to do in the game anyways.

>>546518739
Guess I'll be using the MUV-69 for a while...

>>546522149
Use combinators. You can make absolutely miniscule malls if you know what you're doing.

>>546522149
if it's stupid and it works it's just stupid
or however that line went

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>>546522564
MUV-69

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>>546522149
>Bros, im getting so stressed out cus I suck at making a mall early game.
Bro architecture isn't hard. It's just like shapes and colors and stuff.

I've just realized I unlocked seaweed without noticing and it actually kind of amazing

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>>546522742
peak

>>546522149
Just stop getting stressed out faggot. No one cares about you or is impressed with your Factorio skills. No one expects you to be good in the first place. No one is looking at your spaghetti, and no one would judge you if they were.

Just make the first piece of shit that works and fucking move on.
Sucking at something is the first step to being sort of good at something.

>>546525675
I care, staring at ugly design annoys me, I probably should just go to editor mode to design things

>>546526593
Okay, enjoy being stressed out and never finishing the game, retard.

>>546527681
it's that faggot anon who calls other peoples' builds ugly
just an ugly person projecting their view of themselves onto everything
must suck to look into mirrors

>>546527858
"calls people's builds ugly"
no fucking clue who you're talking about but you brought it up like 3 times this week so that must have really cut deep
maybe grow thicker skin

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>>546524427
It's cute, and I don't want to talk shit about the best railway crane I can acquire right now, but the construction speed is not ideal for building a railway with more than a few hundred meters of track.
What I really want is this bad boy, but getting it doesn't seem like a realistic prospect for the time being.

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>>546526593
>I care
just don't do that

>>546529036
Just stop giving a shit lmao is the single best piece of advice for anything

>>546529156
yeah no i grew out of that when i turned 20
maybe one day you will too

>>546517770
>how the fuck do I tackle that problem
105 * spoil time (in seconds) / stack size / 47 steel chests

Less space efficient, but more fun: (105 * spoil time / stack size / 40)+1 cute little 1-1 trains.
3-stop schedule. Loading stop (wait till full), depot (wait till item = result), unloading (wait till empty).

>>546517637
>>546518739
yeah i agree the track builder situation is kinda dire in vanilla

>>546531581
only three things spoil into what I need, two of those take 2.5 hours, the last is just 1 hour and is the gleba science
funnily enough, gleba science itself takes this item as well, and only one of it, while every hour it spoils into 4 of it, and just needs a long inserter which by itself is just a simple chain of wooden chest (copper bacteria spoilage product) > smelt into underground pipe > craft into boiler > craft with regular pipe (smelted from fish, which is iron bacteria spoilage product) into a red inserter
I have a feeling gleba will be very funny once I get there, considering at the very least the science doesn't need any farming
unless the nutrients do, I'm yet to see what I need to make those
getting to gleba without a reliable way to make platform tiles will however be a nightmare, considering the only way is this >>546403518

>>546532113
That seems like an incredibly stupid mod.

>>546532453
it is
but I'm having fun, especially since every run is different
like, this one has been blessed to an unhinged degree outside of the platform nonsense
>both bots and roboports are just red + green science to make
>logi bots are literally just 20 petroleum gas to be made
>construction bots are 50 water and a portable solar panel, which is just a train stop which is 5 smelted pipes which are smelted fish, which are mineable as ore patches
>all other armor mods are equally cheap and easily available, though you are stuck with modular armor until yellow and purple science
haven't seen what portable fission reactor needs yet either but portable solars are good enough when your bots and roboports rolled at least -30% energy cost

>>546528349
>no clue who you're talking about
>but let me assume who you are and recount your interactions with this person for the last 7 days
fish in a barrel

>>546536854
I post here.
You're very vocal.
You're also a moron.

>>546537183
>I post here
riveting information

>laser turret consumes 4mw each time it fires
>lamp consumes a negligible 5kw
>need 10mw output in accumulators to makes the lamp not flicker
I do not understand and i am robbed.

>>546537395
Isolate the lamp's electric grid so the lamps run 24/7. Maybe a clock circuit so lamps turn on only at night, but I've never done that.

>The lamp is a basic electric device providing light to a medium area (10 tile radius) at night. Lamps can be toggled to always be on, regardless of time of day.
fuck I outed myself as someone who doesn't use lamps

>>546537989
I would do that but i'm just trying to understand. There is nothing else on this network, the one turret is 4mw and the graph confirms it, ACs output above 8mw nearly 10mw but the lamp doesn't get enough juice. Do laser turrets sneakily consume power twice or something?

>>546537989
>I've never done that.
We know

>>546405094
It seemed like fotm for a bit, I think its just died down a bit recently

>>546538627
turret has an internal buffer of power which it can charger faster than the slated power consumption

The lamps are just being dramatic.

>>546538850
It says 3.86mw on the box, call quality control or else i've got gypsies stealing my power.
Not understanding specifically how accumulators interact with turrets has been my bane.

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>>546537395
>>546538627
>Do laser turrets sneakily consume power twice or something
weird, you seem to be onto something
i loaded up a sandbox map, went into the editor, spawned a laser turret and some biters for it to shoot at and an isolated power grid for it all
and when the laser is firing, the power grid's satisfaction max is 9.6MW
so, yeah, you would need 10MW of accumulator output to avoid flickering
the max consumption is then plainly wrong

>>546540397
Turret draw power in bursts, as you can see in your graph.
They draw 9.6MW, have a little downtime, draw 9.6MW, have downtime, etc.
The testa turret is the same. The tooltip reads 7MW or something, but it spikes the power grid for 12MW at a time.

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WUBE FIX

>>546541635
...as always with /egg/ and everywhere else, some midwit dipshit retard feels the need to provide a "correcting opinion" where every objective point is wrong or meaningless or not even disputed
dunno where the fuck you freaks come from
>turrets draw power in bursts, as you can see
uh, no shit, nobody said they didn't
>they draw 9.6MW
again, no shit, it's in the graph i posted. this number is also higher than the tooltip, which i and the other anon can see is 3.86MW
the point is that if they draw 9.6MW, then the max power draw is 9.6MW and the tooltip's stated max of 3.86MW is incorrect.
feel free to refresh your knowledge on what the term "max" means

>>546531776
Are there mods that add more track builders? I searched for "american track builder" in the Steam workshop but that didn't turn up anything useful.

>>546542478
I don't understand the problem
is the firerate perchance 4,825 times per second or what

>>546542478
type = "electric",
buffer_capacity = "801kJ",
input_flow_limit = "9600kW",
drain = "24kW",
usage_priority = "primary-input"

They're supposed to recharge their buffer at 3.86mw but maybe they consume 3.86 + 0.800 and also recharge at 3.86 + 0.800. + min.input twice = 9.6mw

>>546543498 oh jebus. There it is.

>>546542502
there's something to be said about the polling rate of the consumption, as watts are a energy rate measurement, so if it's polling an average of so and so then it should be correct and will be fine if your energy grid isn't trimmed to fuck

>>546543678
Don't check this math.

>>546543775
>there's something to be said about the polling rate of the consumption
not really. if the tooltip said "average" then it'd be correct. it says "max", so it is incorrect
>if it's polling an average of so and so then it should be correct
except it says "max", not "average"
this is knowledge that eleven year olds in the united states have

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>>546542478
>>546543498
so the laser "consumes" 3.96 MW from its internal accumulator when firing
but the internal accumulator consumes 9.6 MW from the grid when charging? is that it?

>>546544343
while firing, the laser consumes 9.6MW for some time, then consumes 0MW for some time
the average consumption over that cycle is 3.86MW

>>546544343
from wiki

For laser turrets one shot costs a constant 800kJ; research raises their power consumption from 1.2MW (no upgrades) to 3.8MW (all upgrades).

>>546543289
>american track builder
yeah it's past 1950 you can't buy niggers anymore
i think the west mostly used wagons and not dedicated track layers so there's not much to go by. I wonder how hard it'd be to make mods

>>546544607
>>546545268
both of these are consistent with my interpretation
the actual laser beam doesn't ever consume 9.6 MW even at max upgrade, it has to be the accumulator
and the tooltip neglects the accumulator and instead lists the "max" drain of just the weapon part, without the battery part

>>546546226
this is still a wrong interpretation, although we can get goofy going into the details.
the actual laser beam portion consumes at least 48MW
in-game, using the editor, going tick-by-tick, you can see that the 800kJ buffer on the laser gets instantly consumed within one tick, so you have to assume the laser is using this in either one tick or a period less than one tick, giving the "at least 48MW consumption" measurement, but that's an autistic and practically pointless measurement
the accumulator portion then consumes 9.6MW for 5 ticks, 144kW for 1 tick, then 0 W for 7 ticks, while the laser also consumes 24kW each tick as a sort of "base consumption"
if you math it out a bit, that first "9.6MW for 5 ticks" phase then consumes, across a "firing cycle", 3692kW
the second "144kW for 1 tick" consumes 144kW
the third phase consumes nothing
the actual firing then consumes 3836kW throughout a cycle, where if you then add the base consumption, 24kW, you get the final and reported 3860kW or 3.86MW

>>546443874
>>546421734

preach, but just play a premade pack, gregtech packs are pretty good, gtnh is probably the best one but nomifactory or star technology are pretty good as well. If you want a bit more magic ftb interaction is goated

>>546421734
>>546443874
Look at it for yourself >>546546548
But yeah packs you make yourself are not going to be that autistic because you need to put x100 the sperg power into configuring them than playing them and at some point you stop playing altogether

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Here i fixed it for you guys: copy this inside some random mod's data-final-fixes.
data.raw["electric-turret"]["laser-turret"].energy_source.input_flow_limit = "4800GW"

>>546548438
i wonder what would happen if you actually did this, since the per-tick energy drain value is higher than the value of the entire internal buffer
does the game handle that properly (it just fills the buffer in one tick)
or does the game consume the full tick amount, fill the buffer, but the excess is wasted?

>>546547186
fair enough
the true drain of the weapon is 800kJ/tick or 48 MW, like you say
and you're right that's not a useful number

>final and reported 3860 kW
simpler way of calculation is:
the laser fires 4.8 times per second, each shot consuming 800 J
that means 3840 kW
add the base drain of 24 kW and you get 3864 kW, which is displayed as 3.86 MW
I'm not sure why I got 4 kW more than you

still, while 48 MW is a useless stat because it's not sustainable, the 9.6 MW is useful for gameplay and it would be nice to see it somewhere next to 3.86 MW
hiding it is confusing, like it confused anon
sorta makes me wonder how real-life weapons list their energy usage

>>546550924
my math was wrong a bit, i divided the first power consumption phase, but not the second
the factorio staff seems to not care and thinks you should just throw tons of accumulators at the problem
https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?t=102287
it is odd that they couldn't have just added an "average power consumption" along with the "max power consumption", or simply just made the max power consumption tooltip correct

>>546550924
9.6 MW is only useful when you have a handful of turrets in a small electric grid.
3.86 MW is the average power consumption of a continuously firing turret, which a good practical value to build peak power consumption for once there are a few hundred turrets on the same grid.

Thanks, i'm finally learning about "laser-turret". So i could actually build for 9600kw per turret because who builds for average consumption? Imagine doing that with assemblers.
>inb4 just build more power
I like to cut my grid into little pieces using power switches on circuits to flatten the spikes, so energy is tight. short blackout > long brownout.

>>546551418
>the factorio staff seems to not care
I think it's mostly because it's hard to display this information in an intuitive way, and also because laser turrets are a bit different from other machines

one of the posts in that link puts it well
unlike the rest of the factory, which works continuously, lasers work in bursts
that means the player cares about different stats when placing them
for most other machinery, "max recharge wattage" really is mostly unimportant

>>546553115
>3.86 MW is the average power consumption of a continuously firing turret, which a good practical value to build peak power consumption for once there are a few hundred turrets on the same grid.
this is only true because a large factory can deal with high momentary power spikes, and only a small percentage of the turrets will be firing at any given time
but in a smaller installation, lasers firing can easily choke the rest of the factory for a moment, since they get priority over everything

>>546553683
>it's hard to display this information in an intuitive way
someone in that factorio forum thread implemented themselves in a mod with very little effort and even used the phrase "so it has nothing to do with technical debt"
factorio devs are lazy on this issue and don't particularly care
i have no idea how you think it could be "hard" to implement, if anything, mangling the actual numbers in the code to produce an average must have taken more effort since you'd need to use math to have found the average, whereas the max is just the exact number in the source code

>>546554668
hard to explain it to the player, anon, not implement
to convey in two words, without a tutorial, the essence of this whole discussion

>>546383878
mate, I finally got around to building a barbones one that moves well-enough, haven't used it much yet. just to be clear, it's for remote-control, not automated scouting.
I went with H2 thrusters because ion are weaksauce. so connector, couple conveyors to connect the H2 tank and some of the thrusters around to some of the thrusters, small battery, spotlight, remote control, camera, antenna, ore detector, and gyro. I almost always forget the gyro. I added an event controller too, for docking procedures.

I didn't include a screenie in case you wanna play figuring out the layout on your own, but lemme know and I'll provide.

>>546553481
separate grids eat UPS

>>546555395
>it's hard to display this information in an intuitve way
it really isn't. are you some factorio dev coping and justifying why you won't make the change or what the fuck are you not getting?
there's a field right there in the tool tip that says "Max. consumption: "
just put the right fucking number next to it and you don't have to explain anything else to the player
if they build for the 9.6MW true max consumption, they will never know or care about the average
if you really really wanted to, just add one more field that says "Avg. consumption:"
fuck man, you could ask any basic tier LLM to do this for you and you could just sit back and do nothing

>>546556125
you really were much more tolerable when we were talking about numbers
have a good day

>>546556347
what a pointless, faggot response

>>546554046
No, the laser power draw averages out at larger numbers because not all of them recharge at the same time, even if all the turrets are constantly firing.

>>546555395
This nigga needs a tutorial to know maximum versus average

>>546556686
okay, but averaging is only practical when you can also deal with spikes, so we're back to needing a large grid
also I don't think all the turrets in the base firing simultaneously is a realistic scenario

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The Tesla turret doesn't follow the design though, tooltip says 7MW and input_flow is 7MW. It's a laser turret with a low firing rate. Is it okey for laser turret to stay like this?

>>546557196
>averaging is only practical when you can also deal with spikes
which loops back around to "put the right value in the max consumption field and there will be an end to the horror", since how is a player supposed to know to build in order to deal with spikes if the actual max consumption is hidden from the player?

>>546557196
My point is that once you reach 100+ turrets, you'll never practically see spikes up to 9.6 MW draw per turret, because even if each turret is consuming as much power as it can (i.e. constantly firing), each turret is only recharging around 1/3 of the time, so seeing a peak of 9.6MW per turret would be something like a 1/3^100 probability, which is on par with winning the lottery a few times in a row.

>>546557281
>The Tesla turret doesn't follow the design though, tooltip says 7MW and input_flow is 7MW.
that just means input_flow is set to exactly the max drain
I doubt the actual game logic is different
you could achieve the same for lasers by modding their flow limit to 3864 kW
this would fix the spike issue

>>546557571
>so seeing a peak of 9.6MW per turret would be something like a 1/3^100 probability
let's just say that at that scale the drain wouldn't be an issue due to a variety of reasons and leave it at that

>>546557571
>still can't bear to hear that their understanding of "max" is definitionally incorrect, anonjeet starts pulling numbers out of their ass and making up random hypothetical scenarios in order to make a weak and shit point that only loosely applies in their own most-favorably-crafted scenario
grim what you've "people" done to discussion

>>546555879
UPS has never delivered, too much UPS in the world. DHL has never failed me and fuck UPS.

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Playing Satisfactory again, technically owned it since Update 4 but I only got to Tier 3 now. Or rather, I finished all Tier 2 research and am about to make a factory for Tier 3's components. Is it a viable strategy to make a bunch of basic components en masse all over the map and just bring them in by train, or should I only mine and process exactly what I need when I need it? I'm more of a Factorio player so I'm used to the first strategy, it works there because resources are infinite and factories are easier to build with bots. If I want more iron, I just look for a random iron patch, smelt it on-site and shove it into my train network. I don't see why exactly I wouldn't be able to do that in Satisfactory other than the fact that that each metal factory would take a lot longer to set up. The other reason I'm asking is that just the T3 factory I'm planning is gonna be fucking massive, the diagram isn't even readable in a single screenshot. But that assumes that I'm making everything in one place instead of small, isolated factories.

>>546564531
you're overthinking it, just play the game

>>546565468
was there ever a point in time where this general or any other general wasn't full of pointless faggot comments like this?

>>546565468
I just don't want to fill the world with a dozen builds I can't easily tear down. This is also my first time fucking with trains in it so there's that.

>>546564531
>Is it a viable strategy
yes, just be aware that at some point if you go overboard you wont be able to mine enough resources for what you planned.
>each metal factory would take a lot longer to set up
true, satisfactory blueprints are a lot more limited than factorio, but it works.
>smelt it on-site and shove it into my train network
depending on the resource you can make more than just ingots, so it's up to you if you want to make some plates and rods etc on site or if you want to only mine or only smelt. I typically have trains take resources to and from the aluminum plant but then the aluminum is turned into product in my factories and not on site
>is gonna be fucking massive
>that
oh anon...

>>546564531
I did it factorio style where I ship the ores to blueprintable ingot factories (2k bars per minute of a patch with 480 belt)
and i gave up. 3d tedium got me beat.

>>546564531
what did you use to make this diagram?

>>546565883
that's from satisfactory calculator if i'm not mistaken
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production

>>546565828
oh yeah this was before the belts autoconnect qol update.

>>546565976
spoke too soon, that aint the same
>>546566083
that QoL really is great but I've built my factories before that. Blueprints really being just pasting blocks instead of individual pieces, especially helpful regarding power poles and splitters/mergers

>>546565883
>>546565976
Satisfactory Modeler on Steam, actually. Works about the same as the calculator site but I prefer it because it keeps all my diagrams without me needing to save them.
>>546565828
I spent like a week just to set up oil power for the first time. Either way, I'm playing Satisfactory for the building autism so I don't mind it. If I wanted raw complexity and numbers I'd be playing Factorio instead but I'm a bit burned out on it.

>>546565730
idk why you're being so hostile, vanilla satisfactory is piss easy no matter which way you tackle it, hence my comment. did you actually play this game yourself or are you just mad for no reason at all?

>>546566786
nta but ive seen people struggle like mad, we're just not all built to the same specs

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>>546565774
My design in that diagram only has a few basic intakes (Iron, steel, copper, limestone, plastic and rubber. Plastic and rubber are already done as part of my power setup) so I think I'll stick to that strategy for now, just gonna try not to go overboard and turn every node into ingots without needing to.
>>is gonna be fucking massive
>>that
>oh anon...
I'm well aware of the type of bullshit one can find late-game. I'm specially looking forward to Ficsonium, if I ever get there. But, for now, that'll be my biggest factory. The only big thing in my world is the powerplant, it sends turbofuel to 60 generators but only produces a trickle of plastic/rubber. And even this took me an entire week because hey, I'm a busy man.

>>546566786
even this comment is a pointless faggot post
>"hurr durr it was piss easy for me so who cares what you're posting about just play the game bro don't think"
could've at least stated how you played the game but you just had to be a faggot about it

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How can I convince my stupid trucks not to take a mixed load of rock and dirt for sorting and just dump it directly

>>546568329
so did you or did you not play it?

>>546568790
By your own argument, have you?
Is it not that you will not explain how you played, but that youj cannot explain how you played, since you have not played?

>>546569274
have *you* played the game? lmao

Either one of you post a screenshot of your playtime or stop catfighting and just fuck

>>546571789
>and just fuck
tranny queers always show up when arguments deadlock
really odd phenomenon, seen it lots of times

How do I make an artillery train that runs around my perimeter visiting each "artillery stop" station? I always assumed this would be simple and I just went to set it up for the first time today and immediately realised it's not simple at all and in fact I have no idea how to do it.
Well other than giving each station a unique name and adding them all to the schedule, which is terrible and will be annoying to expand. I'd hope there would be a way using all identical stations.

>>546572881
never done this, but perhaps try two train stops with different names right next to each other? say, stop "artillery 1" with an inactive for x seconds condition, and stop "artillery 2" right after it with no wait conditions. the train will first stop at "artillery 1", fire its shots, then go to "artillery 2", and then to the next closest "artillery 1" (which would be the next one in line, closing the loop, and allowing for easy expansions). just spitballing, perhaps there is a better way

>>546572881
>giving each station a unique name and adding them all to the schedule, which is terrible and will be annoying to expand
that sounds extremely straightforward and simple
i have no idea how you're even thinking of this problem since what you described is almost exactly how to define the problem
if every station had the same name and you just copy-pasted that station, no matter what manner of thing you set up, you'd have the problem of "what order should the stations be visited in" and there's probably no way to make that automatic
you might be able to do it with some fucked up combinator setup, but that'd still require you to make a parameterizable blueprint and input the station order number when pasting the blueprint, but at that point, it'd be much simpler to just put the new station in the schedule, right?

>>546573474
doesn't this get immediately weird depending on if he has an even or odd number of stations?
if you have three stations, you'd then go
>artillery 1 - "station A"
>artillery 2 - "station B"
>artillery 1 - "station C"
>artillery 2 - ... "station B"? then get stuck in a loop between B and C

>>546572881
you could have a timer at each station that resets when the train visits, and only activate stations that haven't been visited in a long time.

>>546573524
I don't want to do it manually, it should happen automatically, reee.
>>546573474
This won't work because my rail network is not actually a loop, it's a bit of a branching spaghetti.
>>546573669
That anon meant having each artillery stop consist of two train stations. So by definition there'd always be an even number of stations.

>>546573802
This might be the best way actually. It's similar to how my resupply trains work, which only visit stations that lack items. But the annoying part will be that with a naive schedule the artillery train will return to the main rest stop after every border stop.
Hmm, what if I combine this with the idea of having double stations to force "looping", so after visiting one it's forced off to the next one (or sleeps until a timer fires)? And I could make the resupply an interrupt. This might work.

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>>546574238
Oh shit, I figured it out. It's a bit weird.
>Name each station the same name, like "Artillery"
>Wire each station to the input and output of a decider combinator
>Set each decider combinator to have the one condition "Signal T = 0" and the output "Check signal = 1"
>Set each station to enable if "Check signal not equal to zero" (or "equal to 1" if that makes more sense for you, should be the same)
>Check each station's "Read stopped train"
>For the train settings, add two "Artillery" station stops, each with whatever condition you want, like "5 seconds passed"
video attached has everything as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zphax4f6Rls
Spengies in the deepmind!

>>546572881
Make a system that turns off an artillery stop once it reads there's a train present and doesn't turn back on until X amount of time has passed since it left. Do this by reading the T value of a stopped train.

Set the train to the artillery stop two times with the same inactivity wait condition. Once the train stop turns itself off from the present train and the train has been inactive long enough the train will move to another open artillery stop

Add an interrupt where the train goes to the resupply depot to load more shells when it's below a certain amount or at 0

This system will let you fine tune the amount of time you want to leave stops inactive too. The only downside is you need to be aware of the time spent in case the route takes so long some stops never see the train. You could also do a global system that has each station turn off using a value on the radar I guess. Have a signal equal to the amount of stations and have each station turn off when it sees the train and also subtract one from the radar signal. When the signal hits zero all the stations reset

>>546567857
I already found one problem with this setup, and that was a wrong overflow output on a smartsplitter. Fuck me, it took like an hour for the fuel generators on the back (Manifold setup) to fill up last time, guess I'm gonna go hard drive hunting while power stabilizes.

>>546574745
general idea here if it helps understand what the fuck is going on here because it is weird is that it seems you need more than one station for the train to actually do anything, hence the "duplicate" in the schedule.
but, if you do this while the station is active, it'll think the station that it's currently at is a valid destination (and the closest), so it won't move
so you simply detect if the train is at a station and use that to disable the station
then, since the current one is disabled, it'll move to the next one

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>>546573669
i don't think it would get weird, i meant "artillery 1" and "artillery 2" to be right next to each other, with "artillery 1" having the wait condition of "wait until 30 seconds (or w/e) of inactivity) and being in right in front of "artillery 2" (as in, one or two tiles apart), with "artillery 2" having no wait condition.
afaik trains always go to the closest available station by rail distance. if you have a big loop running around your whole base, the next closest "artillery 1" would be the next one in line.

>>546574238
>This won't work because my rail network is not actually a loop, it's a bit of a branching spaghetti.
oh i thought you'd be making a dedicated loop for this, nvm then. i second the timer idea then, but instead of a simple binary on/off toggle on inactivity, you could make it work with priority using a simple timer hooked directly into the train stop's set priority circuit, with a reset triggered when a train does actually stop of course.

>>546572468
just fuck already

>>546574238
resupply can just be on an interrupt.

>>546574238
>>546575316
>rail network is not actually a loop
oh then i really have no idea how the fuck OP is thinking of this working
it'd almost certainly have to be "add unique train stops into a schedule"
if you tried using a timer then you'd have to perfectly guess the right timer settings, or your train might have downtime visiting disabled stations or your train might miss stations if it keeps going to one or more that are enabled too frequently
instead of guessing at timer settings, you'd want to just add stations to a schedule

the only alternative to what you want would be set up a combinator network involving each station, where once each station is visited, the station disables itself, then, once all stations are disabled, all stations re-enable themselves

>>546575650
kill yourself, troon freak

>>546575765
you can dynamically adjust the timer length based on how long the train stayed at the station, which should be proportional to the amount of biter nests it fired at.

>>546574238


>>546575765
>>546574849
Using the radar system and blueprinted station circuits seem like the best way to make sure your train visits every stop without fail. You're going to need to do some fine tuning though. Problems like the last station re-enabling itself before the train can leave.

>>546575958
Eh. Honestly if you just have it so the artillery train is on an inactivity timer it won't leave until it's out of shit to blow up anyway. Also if you have the ammo depot interrupt it'll leave immediately if it's out of gun food

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checkem

>>546575765
could still do one timer at each station but using set priority with circuits instead of enable/disable the station. the timer would count up, its output would wire directly into the corresponding train stop's priority, and would get reset whenever a train stops at a station. you wouldn't have to worry about not having the right "timeout" like in the simple timer on/off because all stations would be enabled at all times and train flow would only be controlled with priority. this setup would make it so the station that has the longest time since visited would always get prioritized.

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>>546576392
Checksum

This is a filthy lie. There was a period of at least a year where I'd turn on Factorio with my computer and sometimes not even play that day.

>>546576141
If you take the time that elapsed before the train visits, divide by the time the train spends firing, then multiply by the time it would take the train to use up most of it's ammo, then you would get an approximate timer to set the station to so that the next train visit uses up most of it's ammo.
This would reduce the amount of times the train visits stations that don't see a lot of biter expansion (since the train wouldn't spend much time there) and increase the amount of times the train visits stations that do see a lot of biter expansion and need the train to visit.

>>546575765
just fuck already if you're not going to post times

>>546574238
Ok I have implemented this and it works well. Also I did what >>546574745 says with each station only needing one station and it shifts between them as the one it's at gets disabled, and then the resupply interrupt also has the "destination disabled or no paths" condition so it just goes back there after making its rounds.
>>546574745
This is very smart too, it would make the train loop between the stations forever until the resupply interrupt hits. I'll probably leave mine to use the timer so it congests my network less, and since I already set it up.

>>546574849
>Make a system that turns off an artillery stop once it reads there's a train present and doesn't turn back on until X amount of time has passed since it left. Do this by reading the T value of a stopped train.
I did this except a train arriving just resets the timer rather than disabling it. If the timer's long enough (as it should be for artillery visits) it doesn't really matter.

>>546575765
I don't see the issue with what's been posted above. The timer scheme will only skip stations if it takes longer to make a full round than the timer length, and I can have artillery visit every 10-20 minutes or so and I don't think I'll be making my rail network big enough for that any time soon.

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>>546575765
>>546576141
>>546576575
>>546576758
>>546578162
alright, faggots
here is my proposal
>the topologically invariant round-robin station
vid rel, not even going to try typing out how that's setup
it uses the idea i mentioned of "disable every station as its visited, then re-enable all stations once they are all visited"
scales very nicely, doesn't require a loop, can handle as much spaghetti as you throw at it, but does have the downside that you need to wire green and red wires to each station
i do like all the given solutions though, this is clearly not a "simple" problem, but problem-OP has a lot of ways to go about it

>>546555791
strange, my drone up and vanished while controlling it, only half the distance of broadcast range. I started moving my ship to it and it appeared but refused to be controlled, and when I got there, it was gone.
also, it enables dampeners when I stop controlling it, which is lame.

>>546579123
nice, i like how the train will always go to the closest station in this setup, instead of ping ponging all around the map like in some of the other solutions (mine included).

>>546579123
Almost wish I made something similar, but at the same time I sort of like how I handle biters where it's just a bunch of walls and turrets next to uncleared/expanded biter nests. Since all the walls are supplied autonomously and defense basically takes no resources it's not like I'm really hurting myself by not making an artillery setup

>>546572881
I think the simplest way would be to build a single stationary artillery turret at each station, using circuitry to read the turret's ammo and using that to enable/disable the station. This will summon the artillery train whenever it's needed. Not necessarily to shoot, but often to simply reload the turret.

Every station gets the same name, and the train just goes to that station over and over, and then back to resupply itself when it gets low on shells.

if theyve made 2d factorio and 3d factorio the next logical step is to make 4d factorio

>>546588597
you mean just working in a factory?

>>546588597
Just play 8 instances of 3d factorio at the same time