The Nightmare is Ongoing... >>547595924>Useful Links and Resourceshttps://rentry.org/xngtneuz>Current Featured Banner/Upcoming BannerYuki - Striker - Order | Until December 3rd>Current Events/Upcoming ContentGalactic Disaster - Forbidden Catalysts - Season 1 | Until January 13th 2026Guardian of the Ark - Policy Event | Until December 3rdGalactic Disaster Dispatch - Login Event | Until November 25th>Developer Note: Upcoming Improvements in the First Update: https://sdk-page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11209203>Developer Note: Upcoming Improvements in the Second Update:https://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11319239>Galactic Disaster Content Improvement Update Noticehttps://page.onstove.com/chaoszeronightmare/en/view/11261625>Why didn't my Save Data save properly?Save Data uses a points based system. If you go above a certain threshold, your Save Data will be edited.https://rentry.co/cznsavedatahttps://czn-calc.vercel.app/https://euri412.itch.io/save-data-calculatorhttps://czn-save-cal.web.app/
she's sitting on a washing machine I think
chizuru is a counterattack VANGUARDsource: i made it the FUCK up
Any reason I shouldn't trash this card at any opportunity?
how old are you guysi'm 34
>>547648136I wish I had that ass. And Renoa's ass. And Rin's ass.
What Memory fragments do I run on Magna? She doesnt seem to be doing much damage at all, are counter attacks based off attack and not defense?
>you can reroll epiphanies for 30 crystalsYou rike?
How is this beryl?
>>547648247Seems pretty useless to me
>>547648136magni's perfect rump
>>547648247Her thighs are thiccer than I realized.
>>547647741still could do meme shit like this
I swear this piece of shit event is somehow mandatory, I see it every run. They're trying to shill Yuki with the Replica Core, but its so shit, Dopamine Inject is superior an can be found in shop. You dont event have the option to skip the event entirely, so all it does is +1 useless neutral card, to fuck your epiphany/copy odds, or waste your dice rerolls on a 12 rolls. God forbid you run out of dice rerolls, because get ready to meet 2 blue ovaries fucks on steroid who fills your hand with shit Retain cards, literally unplayable
waiting to see what chizuru vanguard brick has in store for us
>>547648801Magna is s hot I really wished they buffed her
What are the repercussions of abandoning a lab0 run?I don't want to continue when I don't get the ephi I want
Should I roll bricki just to have all character?
>>547648247Because you can get rid of it by using it once, while your basics will keep cycling back into your hand. Trying to delete all three basics + that is extremely expensive and will instantbrick most saves
>>547648971no repercussion but you get lazy fate on 1st floor
>>547648935>You dont event have the option to skip the event entirely, so all it does is +1 useless neutral card, to fuck your epiphany/copy odds, or waste your dice rerolls on a 12 rollsJust click skip when the card assignment screen comes up bro
does Orlea has nipples?
>>547649019thank you protos
>>547649115she's using pasties
>>547649115She has inverted nipple
>>547649115Yes, I suck on them everyday.
>>547649040I didn't thought of that, thanks
>>547649127use the chance to reroll Kyrken's card removal
>>547648867two Rising Dragon Spire is the way to go. it will be harder on the AP but there's more leeway on stacks and it's possible to ohko two phases.
>>547648247Just roll her dupes and this becomes a free almost full reload.
>didn't get epiphany you want>didn't get card copy you want
>>547648247its pretty good with shelling ballista more then doubles the damage on it.
I NEED THE REFUNDED UNITS NAURRRRR
>>547649861>On track to getting the perfect boss-killing deck>Get eaten by dogs
>>547648247get e1 and you won't completely hate it anymore
>>547648247why would you? are you doing something like this?
>>547650136No one is going to get upset about this because the schizo who gets upset at everything is also the guy who posts it.
>>547650136+30% damage reddit gold for you
>>547648247it's not really an issue. you can just use fragment of the empty void do discard the card and draw a new one
>>547650136I don't understand reddit logic they hate powercreep but defend HSR, they hate skin gacha but defend HSR $300 skin, they hate coomer skin but whenever Mihoyo or Wuwa release coomer characters they defend it.
>>547650689because they are hoyoslurpers
>>547650689But the image didn't defend star rail? It's still retard to bring up other game to talk about different game balance problem
I finally get to judas10 today, and, uh...beryl is just too good against him it's kind of boring...I really wish they would let us retry the fight without reward, though. I really want to run other comps against him without waiting for a week
>>547650136>bad unit that you gamble for is le good actually
>Judas dif >=8 is just another dps check stage
This shit doesn't even guarantee a legendary...
>>547650963i'm convinced it's either purchase regret cope, retards or both
>>547650689>I don't get it, why do two different groups of people have different opinions? They post on the same platform so they clearly must believe the same things!
>>547651214looks like a nikke character
>>547649115someone post that picture of Orlea with huge puffy nipples
yuki is too op bored of winning too much how do i enjoy the game now that I have the best unit on her best team
>>547650136It's only good for day one fags who already have all the OP launch characters.
>other game>please buff my fav character>CZN>please leave my fav as bad as they areWhat cause this
>>547651324its great isnt it
>>547650136>when tourists play a gacha for the first timewasn't there some gacha that released well balanced or slightly underpowered units that didn't powercreep and their revenue declined noticeably and they immediately pivoted?
>>547650689I like it when a gaccha game sell expensive skin, though.a company has to make money in some ways, if they can make more from selling cosmetic, they're less incentivized to sell stronger gacha units.
kayron is a btick without his partner
>>547651474more like>please leave this character i dont care about as bad as they are so I dont have to roll for it
>>547651474retardation
>>547650136Sounds like he's saying that it's a good thing they were trying to keep her balanced; not that it's a good thing that they missed the mark and made her weak. He seems to think that if they were planning to do powercreep in this game, it would start on the second banner character. And so, since they tried to keep her around the baseline(despite failing) that is a good sign for what direction the devs are aiming for. He's retarded. Powercreep never ramps up that quickly. You give it most of a year first, to get people hooked on your game, THEN you ramp up the powercreep. By then, sunk cost/time will keep many people from quitting.
>>547651156Yeah a brick blessing
>>547651543his partner double his damage, its retarded
>>547651474reddit are mentally ill, same thing happened with e7 the retards on there wanted bigger resource grinds no QOL and everything was just gearing is fine you're just entitled.If there was a community i wish i could give cancer to it'd be the e7 redditards and the fan discord.
>>547650136>HSR balance is le bad>meanwhile Mei Lin does x100 damage than everyone elseNot saying star troon has good balance, but come on
the fatso enemy with taunt is how they are gonna "nerf" characters that abuse infinite turn.>"oh you are trying to kill the boss in one turn?! here, let me taunt nd force you to pass the turn!"
>>547651862Every community tries to gatekeep or drive off undesirables in their own way.
>>547651474People who didnt roll for whatever reasons, obviously dont want her to be strong-
>>547651982e7 was a bootlicker community of trash and sadly they spread and won. now they're going to infiltrate this game as well I hope they get cancer irl.
My biggest fear is the game pre-censoring for chinese audiences
>>547651886Disingenuous RETARD, Mei Lin is a launch character on the selector not a limited you FAT SLUT
>>547651886even if mei lin didn't exist, my guy said "on par" with the rosterwhen>H>V>T>R>K>Lexist is crazy
>>547648867seeing her popping off is nice
>>547652070That's the whole point, the unbalance scale already off the chart in standard pool, why even pretend this game is more balanced than any other games
>>547651973The taunt card is 0 cost, which is very good if you run Tressa Cass team.
>>547651886she isn't even good for chaos clears though, she's only good in highlight vids.willing to bet the majority of people getting wiped on dogs are playing theresa or mei comps.
I think I fucking hate chaos, can I just not interact with it until all of my characters are fully leveled and built out or do I miss out on too many gems by not doing it. my team keeps dying to dogshit card draws despite buying 3 card removals and unfortunate mental breakdowns right at the worst fucking enemy in the game which just kills you if you don't kill it in 3 turns
>>547652251Several characters are broken, most are still very strong, that's pretty good balance.
>>547652393drop the game, if you hate chaos you hate the game
>>547652312doesn't it has a chance to damage you? all they have to do is adjust the numbers on the boss taunt and make it very risky to use.
>>547652393chaos is everything in this game
>>547652393>dogshit card drawsyou need better decks and draws/trims>mental breakdowns at unfortunate momentsActual planning problem. Better planning helps>worst enemiesthis I agree
>>547652393pick different affixes? do an easier difficulty? try to prepare your route in advance?
>>547652393just do your dailies and log off till the gooks add in 2x speed
>>547652393interior part boils down to avoiding normal stages and focusing on events.plan your route accordingly.
>>547652393do you know you can choose the difficulty?
Does Yuki have cute feet
>>547652580I'm always going to need better decks, I'm just asking if there's a way to completely trivialize it since I think its quite the shitty feeling I get when I fail a lab 0 run for the 15th time because "X" didn't happen and the deck wasn't strong enough, I know I should already be expecting this by running Yuki but its genuinely so fucking boring
As a newer player this memory limit kinda sucks. I had a Rei with 3 ephiphany gear bags that got deleted. >>547652393I love Chaos, a game mode that's actually fun/challenging that also doesn't have a stamina limit is something i've been looking for in gacha.
>>547652796that's interior second half rightI think first half interior isn't that bad on the normal fight nodesIs going for elite nodes on the 2nd half actually better than fighting normal nodes
>>547652868honestly, grinding chaos before hitting higher tiers isn't worthwhile. unless you are having fun, of course.and use the calc https://czn-save-cal.web.app/
There's a save limit of ten, right? Does the game stop you from entering chaos if you have too many, or does it make you drop one at the end?
I think at this point the game is trolling me super hardI'm even removing all non-uniques from the other 2 combatants
>>547653068They will tell you to go delete your save if you are full
>>547652393Pseychie level take ngl
>>547651886How many launch characters still meta in HSR? Meanwhile MeiLin will stay strong till EoS
BATTOU
>>5476530142nd half, yes. try to do as much stage events as you can.elites are much safer to do
>>547653085So close yet so far
>>547652868you can get bigger savefiles later on harder difficultiesthey really make you earn it though. Shit's rough
>>547652486It could work, or just use stun.
>>547652864by any chance, are running on phase 9,10,11?phase 9+ doesn't give you more faint memory, they're all as good as phase 8.if you just want to craft a deck, go with phase 8 and put on some modifiers.aim for [+Number of Elites], [Taking %dmg everyturn] as one of the modifiers and you're rerolling and it should be easy enough.
>>547653360>phase 9+ doesn't give you more faint memoryHow is diff 14 not giving more?
This end my run faster than dogfucker or vagina face
>>547653085is that artifact multiplicative?
>>547653085Not being able to choose the card you're copying after the last boss is pretty bullshit, I'm fine with all the other RNG
I hate Chaos. I need to kill it.
>>547653360I always go for those 2 but do you have a general guideline of what to avoid and take?>bestelites, damage per turn>okay????>neverfury and fortitude per 3 turnsmax hp nukeboss and elite damage and healthI think I also really really don't like fury on enemy death if I'm not playing some big AOE character
>>547653360Good to know but I haven't even gotten at phase 8 yet, I'm at phase 7, its just that lab 0 is fucking annoying as shit, I don't actually despise chaos but I hate having to run this shitty ass chaos every week. The fact that it completely fucks over Yuki despite having the best cards for her is just obnoxious and really left a bad taste on my mouth
Chaos is not that replayable. Three runs and you already seen everything they have to offer. As for gameplay, character progression means that you will have to wait at minimum 2-8 weeks to fully build a character to challenge the harder tier.If they make a special chaos mode that automatically put everyone at highest level (but give out no rewards) the game would be goated.
these mother fucking potential nodes are so goddamn expensive, the gook trucks can't come fast enough
Chaos just needs some QoL, shrimple
>>547652393just do 4 runs a week in the event mode at the lowest difficulty. so you get the points to buy stuff from the shop.
They should add a toggle to turn off animations, skip stage dialogue, and within combat it should let me press 1 - 0 to select cards in my hand just like slay the spire
>>547653625lvl 130 chaos are already easily doable with your characters at 50, giving 80 more levels would make it a joke
We need the Stella Sora elevator desu.
>>547653625>Three runs and you already seen everythingI'm lv30 in void chaos and there's still 2 events that I didn't meet yet
Biggest problem with chaos is that there isn't enough variety in any given planet. They need to double the number of enemy types and events so that you aren't seeing the same shit every run. Obviously that would mean either including a few more copy events(still limited to one per run), or just increasing the weight on the existing copy event so that it doesn't get drowned in a sea of lesser rewards.
who is this
How is this Yuki deck? Unfortunately I overcapped and got the shield back but at least it's an easy exhaust target for Rei.
>>547653431It just can. You can have T14 on phase8 if the modifiers are stacked enough, or T10 on phase11 with minimal modifiers. Phase 9 and above are just there for achevement>>547653545small %maxHP Decreased isn't a big deal if you have a healer-10% or -20% is manageable-30% to -40%, though, is extremely tough because of how math work.+10%HP&damage for Bosses and Elite is also not a big deal.+20% can be taken if you have really good single target dps (you still gotta dodge elite tiles if you can)+30% or more is VERY dangerous because of how math work.+1 Fury every 3 turns is also ok (unless you're running a stall team)Never take Discard 1 random cardNever take Fortitude gainNever take Can't Rest (unless you're really good at sustaining. the stress damage is gonna kill you, still)
>>547653920>Just give me a spreadsheet
>>547653192Sex
>>547653475Yes, both the gun and the quantum are multi
>>547654705idk but I see people running her with as many copies of Prepare to Subdue as they can
>>547654651Cutie
>>547654651Me
>>547654764You are comparing 1 modifier to 3 tho
>>547654805 This, but unironically.
>>547653569Tressa and Mika can wheelchair anyone in lab0. if you have them invested enough, you can try those.not much you can do about Yuki being weak in this chaos, though. good luck with that.
>>547654651She's so much better than the ugly ass monster girls...
>>547654705>only one subdueBack to the mines
>>547655191Here's your streamlined game:You won!
When are the Yuki epiphany changes coming? I want to build her as a ST dmg dealer.
>>547654651one of the experiments of the event?
>>547655257More like: you just lost the game
>>547655296December
>>547655296but your rin is right thereliterally yuki but actually good
>>547654651The girl on the forbidden card.
why are you playing CZN in november? are you an idiot?
>>547655296Her Flash Slash ST epiphany is asscrack, 2 cost for worse damage than her 2 cost basic is retarded. Other than that she's pretty good.
>>547655167alright, see this then.about the same modifiers in term of difficulty, and result in same tier save data value.you can do some rerolls on phase8 and phase11 to see it for yourself if you're still not sure. it's pretty cheap.
there is no reason to go beyond six right?
>>547655672Brownie points.
So where do our males place in this chart?>>547655468Why not?
Stupid question: Is there a third monster girl? I only ever see people talk about Narja and Euphina. There should be a third one for the season right?
>>547655697thanks>>547655468its fun
>>547655468>why are you playing CZNBecause i'm a big brain gigaCHAD obviously
It took me 5 hours for this. 2/3 will have to do.
>>547655741Narja and Euphina aren't for this season.
>>547655956I'm aware of that. But seasons have three banners and those are only two characters. So I'm wondering who would be the third.
>>547656050Probably a new character, Sereniel came out of left field after all.
>>547656050they already showed the third character its Sereniel
>>547655468Why are you in /czn/ in november? are you fucking retarded?
>3 cowtits in a rowI need variety
What the elements of the last few levels of basin? I'm assuming one side is green but what are the others?
>>547656368 BIGGER
>>547656368>varietyYuki has pierced nipples. Chizuru uses pastiesSereniel's are inverted
>>547656050They have Chizuru and Cassius alongside Narja and Euphenia on the website so we don't know who the mystery 3rd monster girl will be yet.
>>547656368One gay furry coming right up!
Wow great deck, haha...
>>547656368korean whale taste is very, predictable let's say
>>547656602They paid less than westroon though
>>5476563989th is green/blue10th is green/purple9th is the hardest stage for most people, though. be aware of that
>>547656515I usually love skip banners. Not so sure I will when they spook me in standard though...
>>547656487What if I want dark nipples and huge areolas?
Should I build amir if she's the only green character I have? Or just bruteforce green basin with chinklin
>>547656841Amir is right there.
>>547656573You don't really need move for her combo to work, just use her with Vero
Not perfect, but damn near close enough for now.
>>547650136Lol that’s my post, didn’t expect to see it here. Some of the rebuttals are valid, I’m just being stupidly optimistic I guess, and hoping this game stays fun unlike HSR.
>>547656949I would if I had her. Just trying to cope with my Selena for now.
YUKISEX
>>547656723Thanks, looks like I'll finally need to decide between who to level up. It's either my Yuki or Luke to tackle these green stages.
>lol that's my post
>>547656368What's wrong with that?
>>547657232Pic related is me to the giant 4hands goddess
>>547656879Just bruteforce it.Amir is a bruiser that works well if you got another Vanguard. But you generally don't wanna use Vanguards in a game mode with timegated battles.
>>547656368Nobody cares about you anon.You will eat the cowtits and you'll be happy.
do these work for veronica?
>>547657670No
Redditor appearance kill /czn/
>>547657809we're all reddit refugees here
>>547657782damn
>>547657850Eww
>>547657670ballistas are 0-cost uniques
>>547657871veronica wants the 0 cost stuff or extra attack
>>547657670It works for anyone that uses basics like mei lin but it's not really that important, look for the weapon that boost extra damage, that one is good for her
>>547657887
>>547657895>>547657940>>547657950thanks anons
Just add a resource pack that lets me play using the CN png's so that the cowtits are less big and more modestly covered please and no (you) are not required to toggle this on and it literally shouldn't bother you if you want to continue playing with the current visuals
>>547656573SELENA AND MEI LIN DOUBTERS, I WON WITH THESE SHITTY DECKS
this procs off deck discards from other characters?
>>547656717they are the ones producing the game though
>>547657670Yes
>>547658116Gratz I still have to wait a week before the refunds so that I can finally invest in selena
>>547658154apparently it does
is this multiplicative or addictive? prydwen says its addictive but people here swore it was multiplicative when the event patch happened.god its driving me mad
Does anyone know whether certain cards appear more frequently/at all in certain chaos? I can't seem to find the hidden bullet card in lab0, even though it's a common>t. beryl retain abuser
>>547658627People thought that it increased damage taken when it came out. It's additive, I tested.
>>547658702Same, it does seem a bit more infrequent in Lab0 (only seen it a couple times when I was in a Yuki run) but I think that's just because there are other seasonal cards it must contend with for slots. Pray to RNGesus.
>>547657809I rarely browse or speak either here or there, I’m just way too obsessed with this game. It is kinda fascinating seeing the differences and similarities between the two spaces. I think I like here better overall but Reddit is neat for longer stuff like guides or dumb rant posts.
>>547658627addictive.
>>547658116...anon no one has ever doubted mei lin. she can dogwalk any unit through that
>>547660000lies all i see are cheesy cheesersnot real players
Who should I take to get a Cassius deck in lab0?
>>547648935You can just sell the gear for 60 gold.That's better than a normal battle tile.
>>547660000I've seen certain "people" say that she is carried by Veronica, or that she needs the move epiphany.
>>547653014>Is going for elite nodes on the 2nd half actually better than fighting normal nodesElite nodes are better because they’re way more fair than the vagina monster, the dog master, the three human-looking dog things, or that cyclone-looking monster. The only normal mobs that are actually tolerable are the three white munchkins, the two that can transform and have a three-hit invulnerability, and the middle one with a bit higher HP.
>>547660220That's stupid though, she can get through content just fine without either of those.
6000 orbs and no t14 on difficulty 8..
Are epiphany buffs on upgrade cards permanent or for one turn only? Im talking about morale btw
>>547657207Sex with my wife.
>>547660582permanent
>>547660220Any battery for her passion kicks is good enough. Or if she has way to stack it up high herself. Veronica just makes it so easy a cave man can do it.
>>547660597Back off she's mine.
>>547660597Thats my food
>need to build seasonal deck to clear seasonal bossthis shit is fucking cancerous
>>547661089
>>547660582Permanent. Morale is nice and all, but don't underestimate Fortitude, it's amazing against hard-hitting cunts.
Which one do I pick?
If you have 5 fortitude, does it reduce damage by 100%? Or is it 100% additive
>>547661242Forgot pic.
>>547661242left one
>>547661242this one *unzips*
>>547661418none of the above
>>547661418they're all bad so might as well go with the right one
>>547653014elites are better in 2nd half because they have gimmicks that you can play around.normal nodes in 2nd half will one shot you if it goes to 3 turns.
What is his problem
>>547660582dat shield is spicy goddamn
>>547661418Right one, it's passable if you're running a meme low-cost Beryl deck
>>547661089>No underboob shotRuined
>>547658340No
Should I level up my Haru for Khalipe? What are the best Khalipe teams?I'm already using Rei/Veronica for my Mei Lin
>>547661779Haru is good. So is Beryl. Pair with Mika.
>>547661779my first week basin team was haru/beryl/khalipe
>>547661779Haru is bad
>>547661779Khalipe is bad
bros, look at my girllook at how extra she is
>>547647776You don't know what Judas' mechanic is retard. You can spam as many cards as you want on turn 2 and 3 (or turn 2 and 4 if you're weak).
>>547661779Khalipe + Haru is busted
This general died too quickly, I blame the developers and the lack of fanart
>>547661680His 3rd leg is itching.
>>547662374Bro your sloppa?
>>547662374too many annoying schizos and homos
>>547658627cs00_0267 is SKILL_EFF_DAMAGE_VALUE_ADD, and we see a MATHSIGN_ADD so it's additive damage increase
>>547662374The fate of a gacha game with a two-month event that no one bothers to read the story of. /vmg/ soon.
Which one? I figured the one on the left is better for the multi-kick card with the extra attack stacking, but that also requires more set up.
>>547662374we have a new boss unlock tomorrow. it's gonna be fun (hopefully...)
>>547662437Sloppa is putrid
>>547662635They're alright if you ask me
>>547662593VOID GANGOOI----ID----DG------GA--------AN----------NG------------G
>>547662437>still no sloppa of Orlea's nipples peeking out the sides of her outfit
>>547662580It's all shit if you want to build exodia
Any 9/9 crab owen showcase?
>>547662692Well, it's subjective, sorry for the mean comment, if you like it more power to you
>>547662820that no gacha anon already did it with owen + beryl
>>547662374Not enough annoying schizos and homos, enjoy the comfy dead hours
Evil woman's evil bedchamber
>>547662580Left is bad because it loses Retain
>>547662437is it still allowed?
Card Copying shouldn’t be RNG too
>>547663616At least add a reroll option for either epiphany or copying. Please, devs.
>>547662725>still no sloppa of Beryl stunned as the shadow of a dick in candybar wrapping looms on her face
what the fuck is going on in this run
>>547663616>>547663845It should be RNG but you should be able to reroll your choices with Sands of TimeWhile I'm at it, they should delete memory frags because it's a retarded system and they should rebalance Puke to not need crit to generate his bulletsBy the way did you know that higher rarity Chaos equipment used to have higher multipliers in the playtest? So 1* Second Method would have lower scaling than a 5* one. Why the fuck did they scrap that?
>>547663960nice 500 points deck
>>547664020500+80
>>547663538Yeah
>>547649861You forgot when running on max difficulty you sometimes don't even get enough for all your cards in general. I find that worse than the rng. Epiphanies shouldn't just stop appearing.
Just curious about euphina what teams would be good with her?
>>547664237She's not out yet but we do know that she's an Order Controller with high cost cards
>>547664237from the current leaked info, probably luke
LukeGAWDS eating good in a year
>>547658627It's additive.Also "multiplicative" and "additive" are bad terminology we should stop using now that we understand how damage works. There's:>Additive increased>Flat %If you have a base skill 100% with 20% increased and 30% increased from difference sources, it will do 100% * 1.5 not 100% * 1.3 * 1.2 because all increased mods are additive.If you have a +20% mod or +30% mod like morale, it will just add that value on the end after the increased mod is applied.
>>547664420>1 monthSounds great!
>>547657659Cowtit sex
>>547664420i built luke because i got bored of haru khalipe mika crushing everything. he's fun
Not the best but I'm not going back into the mine ever again
I feel like I get the same events every run even spamming ? Tiles. I've never even seen that badge that gives 30% more damage
>>547664567i've seen the forbidden card duper 6x and not a single one of those damn badges
>>547664561>didn't get foggy ball>didn't get divine epiHoly Mother of bricks
>>547664426I'd rather use PoE terms "increased" for additive and "more" for multiplicative since that seems to be the formula they use as well, and the game was originally envisioned to have PoE-like systems anyway so they clearly took inspiration from the game
>>547664567isn't amorphous cube the same as the badge but -5% additive damage and loses the stress thing, not that big desu
>>547664729i wish they'd use any sort of consistent language. poe's or otherwise
>>547664729There is no "more" though. It's "increased" or "flat".
>>547664664If anything I want agony stacking damage on the 2 AP but I couldn't give less crap, after like 20 runs of shit deck
how is this only 110 pts
>>547664823Oh and unlike PoE, flat is added after increased and does not get multiplied by it.
>>547664561You got all theee Shadow Reloads. You are set. It took me 5 hours to get just a deck with 2 and now I’m having to see if I can do this with Cassius or if I have to search videos on how to prepare Hugo
>>547664909oh yeah, im crashing out
>>547664909Three copies = 40Two removals = 20Third removal mutant sample so its either free or 10 pts I forgot whichforbidden card
>>547664909by having no divines, likely used a mutant sample and only got a forbidden.
>>547664930Cassius is better than Hugo on the top end, and you can always get a RNG popper and just restart until you hit full house or triple 0.>>5476649092 remove = 501 transform to mutant sample = 03 copy = 40Forbidden = 20
>>547665098uhhh, ignore that calculation on the removals.
>>547664909mutant saved him 50 pts
Wait sample removes itself without wasting a remove cost on it?
>>547665394Slowpoke...
>run ended on the 2nd to the last node vs a rainbow vaginaI'm surprised I even reached that far. If epiphany counter is real then its a fucking scam.
It's over...
>>547664226one mei lin wedgie and i got range banned last time
post some Rin sloppa please
>>547665394Yes it removes itself at the end of the run. Don't manually remove it.
>>547665414>>547665607HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHATHENIGHTMARECONTINUES
>>547658702I got it on my fist "pick from 10 common cards" event. I think it's just that lab0 has more cards, so it dilutes the pool.
>>547665607Does schizohrepnia also remove itself?
>>547665394>>547665414>>547665607>I've been removing samples since day 1
>>547665725....
>>547665506AI is against the rules or something?
>>547665725All curse cards remove themselves at the end of the run...Did you start playing today or something?
>>547665730Same although I only started playing like a week ago
>>547665725curses aren't in any member's deck so you can remove them without worrying about memory cost
jeez why is it so hard to get a copy of Subdue
>/czn/ is shitter centralHow do I cope
>team has literal dogshit deck build that you 100% would delete for creds>win and completes the run>1 character is shaping up to have a very good deck>get folded by 1 unlucky mindbreak timing and/or hard countered by a node
>>547654193Stella Sora is a much better game than this and a more alive general
>>547666269lol lmao even
>>547666269...on planet retard
>>547666269My entire friends list of Day 1 players are dead there.
Which fragment set for Veronica?
>>547666269the game is dead but the general is only alive because of /bag/got.
>>547666269CZN makes more money than Stella Sora in Japan pfft (and everywhere else too but everyone already knows that).
>>547666269Did they fix the monetization yet?
Why should I pick up neutral card when it can steal epiphany trigger from unique?
Haru playstyle is the bestBig bang damage > card spam
>>547666630well yeah
>>547666630not their fault, blame the games they copy pasted
>>547666269Kokona knockoff banner released 5 days ago btw
>>547664561How do upgrades work? Permanent effects unless they say "for 1 turn" or something similar?
>>547665725schizo is in the neutral deck it doesn't belong to any single character so it doesn't get saved in their loadout.
>>547666759Upgrade is permanent unless said otherwise
>>547666739
>>547666739TRICKALGODS
>>547666739>Yuki’s dead banner is still doing better than whatever Stella Sora has going ongrim
>>547666739Tricklowns have been real quiet
>>547666739>3 dead games
>>547666697My favorite Haru deck has +1 AP and Retrieve on Anchor Pointer. Between that and her partners, she's spammy enough.
>game caters to pedos>release booba characters.Is SS stupid?
>>547666697Based
>>547666739>TrickalBRAPS>StellaTROONSMeanwhile>CHADos KINo KINGmare
>>547665596her model always wants to be upside down for some reason
>>547665596no
>>547666605rates/cost are still the same but they're extra generous on event rewards, you get like 15 limited banner pulls from the maintenance not counting event rewards
ITSUDEMO OK DESU
>>547667086because the one that made the lora is a retard
>>547666952I like girls in all shapes and sizes
>>547667107bro...
>>5476667395mill revenue in the last 30 days isn't too bad, stella sora's obviously lower budget then czn there's not even voice acting in the main story. just hopping between the two games since czn is dead until the next update
>>547667107this is a new low for us
Is Nyx really the best bp partner
>>547667107this is a new high for us
>>547667279you pick what you need not what the manwhores here are trying to bait you with. If you don't need the card draw she's much worst then arwen at keeping you alive.
>>547667107Wait, it's all sloppa
>>547667107
>>547667229>Lower budgetLol CZN wishes it had half the production value and advertising that went into SS. The only thing this game has over it is the voice acting and it's really not as expensive as people make it out to be.
>>547666804So I should be looking at upgrades like they're buffs or passives, huh?
>>547667229Bro, I like Stella Sora. You don’t want to keep this forced rivalry up.
>>547667107I need the mei lin hgame now...
>>547667107It's not too late to go play stella sora...be free of the sloppa with a game that actually has fanart
>>547667229We made 6 mil in a week just using the other gacha meme chart so that's actually pretty disastrous.
>>547667484I didn't even start a rivalry? i literally just said its not dead its doing ok 5mill isn't too bad. ik czn's doing better even said i was playing both and swapping cause yuki's fatass is boring me out in runs and i have to wait for event resets.
>>547666630Because some of them have worthwhile effects to justify risking it.
>>547667107SLUT
finally got tier 15. should i just quit the run if the run is shit?
>>547667484oh dear god dna is dead already>>547667523I think czn if they don't have koreans trucking their HQ is going to end one of the better performing gachas in the long run.5mill is still pretty solid given all the drama
>>547667675I did that and got burnt out from it. Not recommend.
>>547667086>this is what ebonic men see dailyHow many has she taken at once you reckon?
As a level 34 commander I’m pretty sad this is most likely over the memory limit and will get deleted.
>260/300>can squeeze 10/15 rolls maybe but not much moreI'm bricked am I?
>>547667815pray it eats up the cleave and not your subdues
>>547667849you will eventually get there
Please devs, allow counterattack to crit
>>547667489
>>547667932damn, did I brick my magna by giving her crit? I should have gone all in on def then
>>547667815Not sure if you removed cards cause I haven’t played Yuki much to remember by memory but by cloning and Divine Epiphanies that deck weights merely 50 pointsIf you removed anything though, let’s say two cards, it’s weight 100 points instead.
>using auto with the mythic which lets you discard at the start of the first turn>they discard firing prep and other upgrade cards....
>>547667932Shield retain too pls, to some degree. Shields are so much worse than heals it's crazy.
Why does striker share neutral card with shielder, what the fuck am I gonna do with these defense based attack
>>547667489>have to lose to get the h-scenes
>>547667815
>Heres your E2 Haru bro
>>547667996auto is ridiculously retarded. They operate on certain vague logic and just applies it blanketly over every move
>doing well in a run>dog walker shows up>have the "if enemy dies, enemies gain 1 moral" modifier>run overRip.
>>547667991>monster cards aren't worth itThat's kinda dumb. I mean, most monster cards are kinda shit for their cost, but cards like Dominion, Kefox and Gloomy Godmother exist. Hell, Dominion is right in the image.
>>547668060Kinda fucked up that they made her best damaging card the Mythic that can't get epiphanies, most characters just dump their Upgrade on that spot, or at least something good at base like Nia's curiosity
>>547668181I agree it's fucking retarded. And -20% for some fucking reason
>>547667991>>547667815nah he's donezo he's got 3 copies 2 cleaves and 1 subdues that's 40, assuming he converted then removed the 2 basics that's another 30 points and he has 2 divine epiphaniesso he's sitting at least at 110, likely more since i doubt he converted both basics before removing.
>>547667996only use auto for your potential farm or stuff like that, and dont look at it if you dont want to get an aneurysm
>>547668157Monster cards are fine to add, they'll just get removed
>>547667857Smilegate has smiled upon me>>547667991This is helpful to know. I tend to spam remove any chance I get didn’t know they cost that much.
>>547668221to sell you a dupe
>>547668157I only bother keeping Monster Cards if>I got them in the 2nd half of the run>and I didn’t get Divine Epiphanies80 points is too much. I’ve barely achieved capacity to consistently farm at Tier 11, which gives me 130 points. Over half of that is a single Monster Cards and would leave only 50, which is the equivalent of 2 basics removed.To keep a monster card you’d have to be either really unlucky in a run or in a really high tier
>>547668221just pay up to get the 20% back goythey should have make it 100% and you get 20% extra instead of this dumb shit so you dont feel like you are getting scammed
>>547668302Notice that removing a Basic Card automatically costs +20 to the value there. Two basics removed won’t be 0+10 points it will be 20+30. That’s why the Mutation Sample event is so valued - it converts a card into something that gets removed in the end of the run, no points used.
>>547668302oh damn that's pretty solid for 60 pointsi'd recommend using a run tracker like thishttps://czn-calc.vercel.app/its pretty convenient even after the update a week or so from now so you can calculate before you do anything.
>>547668242I think its dependent on what order you acquired the points, I had a run with an early monster card, which I saved for shit n giggles, but then got a bunch of neutral divines/dupes at the end, they all got removed while the monster card is kept
>>547668319It depends on the card, I'd rather keep Dominion and carefully manage my data than take bonus neutrals. Monster cards are rare, a good monster card might be a gamechanger in some encounters. You never know when you'll get another opportunity to save it.
>>547668319agreed i feel like around the 40-50 range should be more reasonable 80 is kinda stupid especially if it gets an epiphany.
New player here. When do I get to the NTR content?I heard this one swordslady was getting dicked by black guys and something about space pirates rape?
>>547667815I got the exact Prepare to Subdue on my save that I accidentally erased
>>547668416>>547668415Does it ever get to a point where you have enough memory to not worry about the calcs? Or it’s still some thing to keep in mind at 60? Also thanks anons
>>547668687read carefully, use a highlighter, and consult annotated versions on korean forums
>>547668749>Does it ever get to a point where you have enough memory to not worry about the calcs?No.
>>547668749The peak is 160, at that point you can pretty much get away with most decks, but keep it in mind if you have monster cards, or divine neutrals (50 each) and wants to dupe them
>>547668687Wait, Rin is into BLACKED?I thought she was for me....
>>547668749The more memory you have, the greedier you get
>>547668749nah always gotta pay attention to it, you have some leeway but the biggest point eaters are monstercards and removals.
>>547668687In Renoa trauma story the girls say to captain that he is useless in battle and indirectly say his dick is small.You should have access to it once you unlock the town.
>>547668864
>>547668687You don't. Get cucked!
Yuki, rei, veronica is so fun with a 1 cost yuki build is so fun to play gros.
>>547668687is this on topic? why isn't anyone spamming guro or cp?
What schizo is it this time, Russian?
>obvious shitpost>4 (you)s
Yuki's fat ass
nano banana is godly for ai sloppa. try it guys
>>547668302>removing the 2 cost instead of the shieldnigga what
i got this from lab0 shame its not move thoughever
>>547668302why build Yuki when her epiphanies might change soon
>>547669691They're focusing on her ST capabilities not aoe In other words, it's a nothingburgerMight as well roll for Haru if you want a good ST damage dealer that can also deal aoe damage
>>5476679764th fragment doesn't have def anyways so your stuck with crit or atk. Going with crit just needs you to have a specific build that utilizes it. Her general vulnerability spammer build doesn't care for stats that much so its fine.
>>547669317
>ephipanies changeLolmaoThey are just baiting youLook at the bugged save dataThey ain't doing shit to them
You are already dead
Yuki I said to slow down
Yuki will never be buffedForever a T2 brick
>>547669417>nano bananaWhat?
Need.....orange.....rolls.....doko
FUCK THIS TRASH ASA NIGGERBASRARD GAME JUST FUCKING KILL IT ALREADY PLEASE EOS ALREADY FUCKING NUGGETTRASH BTR KEK GAME FUCK THIS TRANNY ASS SHIT PLEASE GOOOKS PLEASE FUCKJNG KILL THIS GAM EPLWAS EPLWAS EEASE PELASE
>>547670293Kek just get more luck stats
>>547669571Heh
>metafags melting down because they can't get their netdeckThe only thing more humiliating would be if these kinds of people are the ones pushing for the removal of epiphany and card copy RNG
>>547670293Your fault for playing the "tier 0 only if you go through RNG hell" character
Tressa ryona erotic
>>547670446I want you to suffer to get what I haveI want you to scream in pain and agony when you're perfect build misses all the dupes. when the epiphanies never go your way, when the substats roll on anything but crit rate.I want everyone to suffer forever
>>547670481Too bad this artist only draw sketches
>>547670574This but unironically
what's the trick with wailing prodigal?do you actually have to constantly clear out 10+ stacks of phlegm every turn?
>>547670471Time to rile up the gooks :)
>>547670481>ryonaAnd they told me I had issues for trying to animate loli hentai.
Time to do the Haru comic but with Mei Lin
>>547670585
>>547670624Tressa agony spam
>>547670574Not my fault you're imitating this dude
>>547670725...do I have to build every single character in the game?
>>547670632Animate loli ryona instead
>>547670632Beating women is normal because we've been doing it since the dawn of time, other women beating each other is when it gets unnatural
>>547670759Tressa and Beryl are literally all you need, just from a bare minimum DPS standpoint. They cheese all the content.
>>547670293>half an hour down the drain againthey really need to fix this shit. it gets tiresome after a month. im way too old for this shit. so many characters just end up as useless trash just because you dont get that one epiohany or that one extra copy. really, really tiresome
>>547670759Your fault for not building the best 4*
>men fantasize about raping and beating women>women fantasize about being raped and being choked and beatenand people say we have a dating crisis in 2025
>>547670293>>547670851quit the game and leave
>>547670624Just any character that spams attacks should work, Tressa Beryl Mei Lin Luke Renoa (Ramp)
>>547670759pick your favorite to violate and send into dangerous territories to be raped by monsters and let the rest of the crew sleep at base.
>>547670759>team build>team rrevolves around a specific mechanic>enemy hard counters your team>get assraped back to lobby>use another team that utilizes another mechanic>get assraped by another enemy that hard counter youWelcome to CZN
>>547670924What hard counter :')
>>547670892nah, i will complain until enough people say the same thing i do and devs change it.
The "low chance" mentioned when using Collapse cards is 30%
>>547670759>>547670924Neutral cards exist, also Beryl used to bypass Wailing Prodigal's gimmick until the last patch where they changed how her upgrade works.
>>547671019
>>547671029So until they ruin the game by throwing in a bandaid fix of epiphany rerolls instead of just working on making more epiphanies viable, leading to a stale lack of build diversity? Please don’t.
Wheres the art??
>>547671029>Complaining on 4chan instead of the forumsretard
>>547670924ahh..the classic "shiv deck main" vs time eater of StS
>>547671209Who said i am complaining here to change things, dumbfuck
>>547648136What does Magna's anus smell like?
>>547652070>not a limitedNeither is Yuki
Mei lin has other builds but metafags gotta build the epic OHKO comboSad
>>547671191>NTR/smalldom focused artist I follow post about how hot CZN is.>month later and not even a sketch, even though he churns out BA stuff on the daily.
>>547671332Maybe he stopped playing.
>>547669317>mad his shitty high effort wall of text got no replies
Why are they so fixated on giving everyone the same basic cards? This is going straight to the garbage bin every run so why the fuck do you even add them instead of making 3 basic heal cards? That's a fucking stupid design
>>547671461That's literally the whole point
>>547671461What if you encounter an elite that stacks hunger in outskirts? good luck trying to reduce stacks without your shitter basics early on
>>547670574alright you can stop now roland
Do i level the free memory fragments i get from chaos runs?Im doing something wrong with teams or character building because my Mika's healing keeps falling off during Interior fights if I'm not using Tressa/Hugo.I mean, I am bad at the game. I can't deny that
>>547671461that's like asking why a video game character have to be weak at the beginning bro.
>>547671246>Complaining just to complain and everyone saying fuck off and shut upGenius, retard.
>>547671628why so mad? oh, because you just KNOW these changes are coming
>>547671276Well all know that
Can you imagine how gay Yuki must've been prior to the rewrite? She probably fucks all the girls on the Nightmare and calls the Captain a small gun loser
>he's going at it againOh boy.
Hmmm...Nyo
Nah I'd rather they remove time attack slop
>>547671750Sis, tell us more about it.
>>547671628>goes on a public imageboard>complains about posts he doesn't like>complains about opinions he doesn't agree with300 IQ GENIUS DETECTED
>>547671797but why thothat's where the challenge of the game lies and that's how you test your skills
>>547671750trvke
>>547671750TRUTHNUKETRVKE
>>547671191I ate them all
Yeah it's that time of the day again huh
>>547671420I don't think he play BA either. I think most artists don't play BA but still make art for it.
I am one bad epiphany run away to join the tranny and bbc posting. I want this shit to burn down.
>>547671854Personally I'd rather have all that in the roguelike.
>>547671595Bing bing wahoo man is as strong in the beginning of the game as he is at the end
>>547668937>indirectly say his dick is small>have it unlockedGonna look into it later.
>>547672090>Power ups>Permanent power ups in later gamesNot even close to right.
>>547671948
>>547671948UUUH HELLO?!??!?!BASED DEPARTMENT??!?!?!IS THAT THE FILTERGOD COMING RIGHT BACK AT YA?!?!?AGAIN?!?!?!?!HOOOOOOOOOLLLYYYYYYYYYY MOTHERFUCKING BASEEDD FILTERGOD GOD OF FILTERS FILTERING THE SHITPOPSTERS AND SCHIZOS AT THE SAME TIMEBTFOTHEY WILL N E V E R RECOVER FROM THIS HOLY FUARKING BASSEDDDDD WE KNEEELL FILTERGOD GOD OF THE FILTERSOUR KNEES THEY ARE BUCKLING ON THEIR OWNNNN!!!!!!!!
>>547672038No one is stopping you from posting some right now.Like, no one really minds.
>>547672038BASED
>>547672038At least you get epiphanies...>>547665472
>>547672038Can you please not be disgusting and seek mental health care instead
>>547671575it doesn't matter where you get it, you level it up if it's good.%crit or %atk %elem for your dps%def for your healerIn Interior, you try to end the fight as fast as you can. you don't use healing cards over damage cards unless the enemy's going to die next turn, or you only have healing cards left in your hand.you shouldn't don't try to sustain most encounters there if you're struggling. use rest node to recover your HP losswhen you're planning your route, plan it from the boss back to the start, not from the start to the boss.Interior's normal node after the teleporter node is the most dangerous place in this chaos, pick a route where you can minimize those nodes.if you're doing all that but still having a bad time, you probably need serious investment on memory fragments. usually though, +3 on every appropriate pieces should suffice for T10 chaos.
Is it true that Rin gets with a black man in her story? I thought she was for (You)??
>>547672136He doesn't even need them, it's completely optional, you can't say the same about this game
>>547672370It's true, I couldn't stop masturbating.
>>547672370>with a black man>for (You)??I fail to see how it makes her not for (You) specifically, anon.
>>547672415Don't care, you were still wrong, was just pointing that out.
>>547672516Ok retard
I wish they would rework the 4pc bonuses.Everybody uses the 3x2pc sets.
>>547672534No you
>>547672548>this board is made for BBC, cuck and tranny postingNo, its not.But the mods and jannys are all in the hi-traffic generals.
>>547672619Troon
>>547672651N u
>>547672725Esl retard
What time is it in Jakarta?
>>547672631>No, it's not.
>>547672631>But the mods and jannys are all in the hi-traffic generalsit has been nothing else the last few threads, reporting does nothingde facto it has become accepted and oin topic
>>547672735I know you are
>>547672810Nice cope, I know you're an esl retard just by looking at the posts' cool down LMFAOO
45-50 fucking sucks so much ass
>547672169why does filtering make schizos lose their shit? oh, they want to be seen...
>600 stamina to level 3 memory fragmentsgrim
>>547672884You too
They're really speed running EoS with this time gated event bullshit
artifact loadout when?
>>547672358Yeah, i may not be doing enough damage, i need to improve routing either, I have shit luck with desdly fights when I'm at death's door aftera particularly bad fight prior, stress build up and all
>>547673052Right after a friend system. Seriously how tf did they ship the game without the most basic of function.
I was wondering why battou was on my mind for a while, and then I remembered this anime existed.
>>547672958nah youre a faggot for always going>OMG LOOK AT ME IM SO COOL IM FILTERING HEHEHE XDDDDnobody gives a fuck dipshit
When do you unlock the 3rd option at the start of chaos runs?
>>547673043The only thing speedrunning EoS is the lack of choosing copy and epiphany resets. The fatigue will soon hit the casual gachacucks.
>hes still mad about RNG in an RNG gamelmao
>>547673437Not him I just think it's funny because it clearly upsets at least 1 person
>>547673575The fatigue is already setting in for me, but I'm not necessarily worried. Smilegate sucks dick first and is a respectable company second. They're already aware people are tired about how the system works for rare event and epiphanies so it'll be changed sooner rather than later to keep the playerbase around.
>>547673625At least someone is sucking those little gook cocks, amirite anon-chan
>>547673702i trust our korean brothers to put gookgate in their place.
I just hope that next event isn't just the same monster reuse with 2 recolors
bros i don't think i can go for another 4+ character specific decks just to make them viable
>>547673575nta, but I prefer to not have epiphany reroll/remove/skip. the dev should buff shitty epiphanies to perform well enough, or fit a strong niche instead, to encourage adapting and creativity.rouelike games that shower you with reroll or rng manipulation get old really fast because it promote one play style where people are encouraged to try again and again just to get that one thing they wanted.Slay the Spire, on the other hand, doesn't give you any of those. and it remains the king of roguelike.
I've already stopped doing chaos and just run simulations then alt f4This game's honeymoon phase was pretty short...
I once saw a Tier 14 on Lab9. Clicked Deep Trauma/Nightmare mode and it went up to Tier 15. Obviously didn't do it. Was anyone able to do that difficulty tier?
>>547674169Then if you want to make niche team you will have to target grind specific epiphany anyway, what's the different, might as well just get rid of other mode, remove save file entirely and focus on chaos only
Hows nia for yuki compared to veronicq and rei? Mine is e6
>>547674290No, the point is working with what you have.
>>547674298If you have Veronica, just use veronica
>>547674001A lot of characters are good with several epiphs, it's just select ones that have miserable deck experiences.
>>547674290>remove save file entirely and focus on chaos onlyThis is a good thing
>>547674298Nia's good if you have this card
>>547674192I'm in a chaos right now
>>547674290There's a different. If the game give you the niche epiphany, you can pivot your effort and build that niche deck right there.Now you have that niche deck already in your pocket, ready to be used when you get every other pieces later.and, you know, a character being able to do more than one thing is never a bad thing.
>>547674298Nia is good for the gunner girl. Use veronica
>>547674169Just do something that is not wasting 2 hour of my time.I entered chaos grind to get one decent deck to tackle crab 9 and after two hours i had fucking nothing. Make shit work or see players quit. Either by epiphany reset(1) or choose what to copy once. Something needs to change. Because i am just not playing after a session like this. The RNG is out of the ass if you consider just how fucking many RNG systems are implemented here. From deckbuild to equip to the FUCKING ACQUISITION OF FUCKING CHARACTERS AND PARTNERS WITH 50/50 AND FUCKING NIGGERHOMO RATES. You know what. Fuck this. I stop playing. This is now my bonsaige with log in do dailies and log out. Fuck any chaos runs, fuck any farming stages fuck any boss battles fuck any crab fuck any Judas just fuck everything. Fuck this trash game. You have built such an unfair system that is made to make you addicted and get your money and you amassed a bunch of incels with your pandering. You know what else dissatisfied males do when they are fed up with your system? Burn it down.
>>547669571>huge
>>547674519You can just ep this skill back into the deck with westmacott or nyx
>>547674557>You know what else dissatisfied males do when they are fed up with your system? i just stopped playing. the grind got too much and the rewards were too little. just like in rl.
>>547674298Chaos or no?I have a nice Nia save with 3x Adaggio that discards a card and draws 2 of the owner's cards, perfect to filter out Yuki's fodder, or I just use it on her Trickery Strike with Retain + Retrieve
>>547674557>not wasting 2 hour you are supposed to have fun and enjoy gameplay since it's a vidya, otherwise you simply should drop the game because every single video game is a 'waste of time" by definition. also, im aware that you are discordnigger and probably pajeet. i was just bored
>>547674557You're less likely to waste your time if 3 out of 5 epiphanies are usuable instead of 1 out of 5, because 1 of the 3 usuable options has 100% chance to appear when you trigger epiphany.I agree that card duplication on lab0 is stupid, though. I like the way it work on any other chaos where there's an event that appear 80% of the time,that give you a dupe of your choice, not 3 of the whole deck.
>>547650689HSR has a $300 dollerydoo skin?
I will just say the odd of them making all epiphany good is way lower than them making reroll
>>547672038Just stop playing Chaos, it's literally that easy. I didn't even get my 8k last week.>but but but 1/3 of a roll and some worthless currency
>>547674741Nah you can just force reshuffle with Adagio or Yuki's Subdue
>>547674169This
>>547674875No its basically topup bonus. Have you gotten all your 2x bonuses yet? If you did you get a "free skin" and your 20000 crystals to use on the banner however you like
It's almost like RNG game shouldn't have mode with set deck that you build from RNG, that's crazy
(Assume stamina/day = 240 + 80 from cafe = 320)Non-unit costsCombatantEXP required: 720,000promo books: 617 grey books (8 grey + 15 blue * 3 + 32 blue * 3 + 16 golden * 9 + 36 golden * 9)Promo book sims: 2800 units + (on average) 2.5 golden + 3 blue, or 2.5 * 9 + 3 * 3 = 31.5 grey books and 2800 units per 20 stamina. 617/31.5 * 20 = 391.746 stamina, plus 54,844 units gained.EXP sims: 2800 units + (on average) 5.5 blue + 4.5 golden, or 5.5 * 500 + 4.5 * 2000 = 11,750 EXP and 2800 units per 20 stamina. 720,000/11,750 * 20 = 1225.532 stamina, plus 171,574 units gained.PartnerEXP required: 346,000promo books: 504 grey books (6 grey + 12 blue * 3 + 28 blue * 3 + 14 golden * 9 + 28 golden * 9)Promo book sims: 2800 units + (on average) 1.5 golden + 4 blue, or 1.5 * 9 + 4 * 3 = 25.5 grey books and 2800 units per 20 stamina. 504/25.5 * 20 = 395.294 stamina, plus 55,341 units gained.EXP sims: 2800 units + (on average) 5.5 blue + 3.5 golden, or 5.5 * 500 + 3.5 * 2000 = 9,750 EXP and 2800 units per 20 stamina. 346,000/9,750 * 20 = 709.744 stamina, plus 99,364 units gained.Stamina required: 391.746 + 1225.532 + 395.294 + 709.744 = 2722.316Units gained from non-unit sims: 381,123 unitsUnit costsCombatantpromo cost: 1,000,000 unitsleveling cost: 1,080,000 unitsPartnerpromo cost: 400,000 unitsleveling cost: 519,000 unitsSubtotal: 2,999,000 unitsFinal unit cost: 2,999,000 - 381,123 = 2,617,877 unitsUnit sims: 32,000 units per 20 stamina. 2,617,877/32,000 * 20 = 1636.173 staminaTotal stamina required = 2722.316 + 1636.173 = 4358.489 staminaTime required: 13 days 14 hours 53 minutes 12 seconds---After Dec 3 patch:Subtotal: 1,000,000 + 216,000 + 400,000 + 103,000 = 1,719,000 unitsFinal unit cost: 1,719,000 - 381,123 = 1,337,877 unitsUnit sims: 32,000 units per 20 stamina. 1,337,877/32,000 * 20 = 836.173 staminaTotal stamina required: 2722.316 + 836.173 = 3558.489 staminaTime required: 11 days 2 hours 53 minutes 12 seconds
>>547674875Yes, can only be obtained by buying the premium currency, it isn't a "spending" event like how ZZZ did it. Where you can obtain the skin just from pulling enough.
Why does our general have the bottom of the barrel SEA monkeys? The other generals' SEA posters aren't nearly as bad.
uhh the copy whiffed
>>54767480695% of the playerbase will follow you soon.The retards defending epiphany/copy rng keep forgetting this is a gacha first,roguelite second.That people need to keep playing,not,buy the game,do runs till burnout and never touch it again. "People will stop playing if they have perfect decks".Only some,many others will coast till new content/charcater,you know,like in every other gacha game. "It's good that the casuals quit" Yes,roguelite nigger you and the other 2 retards,who like wasting 30 minutes for 0 progression and don't spend shit,will keep the game alive.
I enjoy playing through chaos.All it needs is more variety.
>>547675231Their generals and games are dead so they post here for attention.
>>547675214Would be good with a character that has a bunch of cheap red cards.
>>547675231Don't check event duration...
>>547674941You have to discard it somehow or put it back into the deck. So nyx, westmacott, or adagio
>>547675229People defending the copy and epiphany rng are subhuman negroids, and if it didn't exist nobody would be asking for its implementation on thn its current state. Even if I really like this game this has to change or else leaving the game for something else is a matter of when, not if.
>>547675273for>>547675161
>>547675089Now count in the event shop and it will go down to 5-6 days per character which is reasonable.
>>547675289I know, that's my only real problem,
Can nia put vulnerability on the enemy without common cards?
>>547675231There is variety if you do all planets but it's a shame the event one forces you to do just one.The 40 to 50 account grind was the most fun since I switched around planets.
>>547675523What are you even saying bro
>>547675412>>547675089Now add the potential upgrade cost and it will be fucking stupid
>>547675412Yeah I didn't take into account all of the "free" mats from events or stories. I'm assuming you've spent them all and now you're looking to level a new character.(This also doesn't take into account any potentials)
This is my take of how to buff shitty epiphanies of Shadow Reload.what do you guys think? did I buff them enough to be remotely usable?
>>547675523Nope. get this on your dps
I'm trying to push into level 60 content. I need help picking my second team to focus on. Tressa Hugo Mika. Or khalipe haru Mika?
>>547675617advanced shadow daggers are bad because they cost 1, so the right option would be awful
>>547675549Honestly once i do my weekly lab, im going to try out zero properly since I only got to 40 now
>>547675617The upgrade is good because you can stack them and turn one heal into 2+ daggers, none of these come close to be honest
>>547675617Advance daggers should've been zero cost with retrieve and exhaust desu.
>>547675328I'm a poorfag so I thought Nyx only discarded cards, not put them back on top of the deck
dead game
>>547675706ask on reddit or discord, this thread is for cuck, bbc, blacked posting and complaining
>>547675617Make the right one with advanced shadow daggers 0 cost and it becomes way better and more viable.
>>547675925She doesn't, only Adagio does
>>547675930But enough about your favorite non-CZN game!
Is this good? I don't know if its forced discard or if you can opt out of the discarding anything if initial hand is good.
omatsuri mambo
>>547676112You get to pick the cards if any, yes. It’s good
>>547675925It does discard them to the gy so different from westmacott and nia, but if you dont do either the card just stays in your hand.
beautiful zdps build
>>547675930Yeah, waiting for content after spending 200 hours on the game.
>WTF I HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME AND GET GOOD RNG TO GET BETTER GEAR WTFF WTFF WTFFFFFF IT SHOULD HAVE NO RNG AT ALL>ILL GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME WITH GEAR THATS ENTIRELY RNG RELIANT BECAUSE THATS MUCH BETTER
>>547674557>crab event still runs +50 days with no timelimited rewards>”AIIIIE HELP ME WHY CANT I FARM MY GODLIKE DECK 5 DAYS INTO THIS EVENT I AM GOING INSANE”lol
>>547676204Damn that's pretty good, do you have Magna?
>>547674557>>547674806>>547675229quit and leave please
>>547676317>farm gear in another game>even if you don't get the gear you still get money or fodder and generally progress your account>here you get nothing if you fail
>>547675617 (me)>>547675905>>547675964>>547675818>>547675728You guys' making a good point. ASD (Advanced Shadow Dagger) is pretty bad by itself because it pollute your deck. giving more ASD doesn't seems like a good buff if ASD doesn't have ExhuastSo how about this, then?
>>547676342yeah but this card is really bad, the 150% fixed as shield is much better
>combatants holding 10 corrupted data can't save anymorePlease tell me I can get it back. It was a really good build.
no one cares about your shitty opinion
>>547676551 (me)*Exhaustsorry for the typo
>>547676605Only because it's fixed damage, Resolute Blitz is better in most usecases>>547676610Anon, I...
>>547676204Are you slam pig pilled?
>>547676551For the far right one people mean the advanced shadow daggers have zero cost, similar to how Mei Lin makes her basics zero cost when she uses the Unity skill.
>>547675617>nerf the heal epiphany>tress is now balanced and anons stop sperging out when they dont get it during that runFixed your problem
>>547676551Advance Dagger should just be 0 cost with 1 retrieve before exhaust, that's it
>still no Chizuru Lora>meanwhile Yuki had Lora on launch dayWhy?
>>547676610Probably gone. What's the max save slots?
>>547676756>Nerf a character>Game EOS's faster than DNA and Stella Sloppa combined
>>547676610its gone foreverthats why you dont leave them in DT if you are building saves for them
>>547676756They will never nerf characters. That's what they said anyway.
>>547676756Make it [Unique] but give two or three depending on if you want to prevent Cassius Triple 0 cheese.
>>547676905I think they will just introduce enemies that gain buffs whenever you inflict agony or something
>>547676756If they're willing to nerf a character, that's the best choice to be honest. buffing 4 things to be on par with 1 thing doesn't make much sense.But they since said they will never nerf, buffing everything else seems to be the only way
>>547676334NTA and I can see where you are coming from but the chance you get a desired deck is ridiculously low. Without even factoring stuff like Divine Epiphanies and other shit, a deck by itself with say 2 desired normal epiphanies is>3/5 chance you get that epiphany>3/5 chance of the same in another cards>super low chance among the advanced cards it ends between the 3 of the oens you are allowed to copy>the same again in the final nodeNot counting randomized Copy eventNot counting whatever else like the rest of the deck, the epiphany to just unlock the cards that won’t necessarily pop up in the entire run even at Deep Trauma, not counting even the equipment. Hell even if the other characters got their cards rid of and only have Uniques remaining, the Copy slots will be 3 cards out of 5.That’s a 27/75 chance you get a desired deck even in the absurd scenario you stacked all the odds in your favor by somehow removing a crapton of cards of everyone else which in itself is already an absurdly low chance of happening, without even getting to equips, extra cards, divine epiphanies and so on so it isn’t even tryharding. The reality is people here have been doing something close to the above for hours straight delving into Chaos with worse results because the RNG is that bad. There is too much of a luck factor in just that.And we have to do the above thrice over.
>>547677053What's the gong meme? Is it a sex thing?
ST build when
Mei Lin's Mei Lins
>>547676723>>547676815>>547676881Fuuuuck. The first time I get a double copy on Renoa and this happens.
>>547677125She already has one it's worse than her 2 cost basic so pray that they buff this piece of shit
Has the titty flap bdsm slut's kit been datamined yet?
gooks please chimp out...somebody leak chizurus kit...some drama happen....onegai...i'm tired of farming chaos....need some news to discuss
>>547676905>>547676879In E7 they do nerf charactersIt's extremely rare though, because everytime they do that they have to refund a selector that let you choose all non limited characters from the same rarity
>>547677208Anon, you could've gone back temporarily to cure them...
>>547677243>change to +1 hit per draw>suddenly she's hitting like a truck
>>547677316The devs referenced E7 and said they aren't nerfing characters like they do in that game.
>>547677372Honestly I fucking wish but then Iceberg Cut will lose its niche of being Yuki's multihit card
>>547677328the game only notified you about the limit after you cleared the run
>>547677404>believing thatAnon, you can't be that stupid...
>>547677473I don't really like leaving units I'm farming save data on in Deep Trauma so I've never had the misfortune of encountering that issue. RIP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_cb3R0sQIc0 card lmao
>>547677404>they aren't nerfing characters like they do in that gameThey don't nerf characters there either because they lost so much money from people exchanging their nerfed units for more busted units.
>>547676551 (me)Alright, how about this?I put 1-cost back on the right one because, ngl, discarding 4+ cards then to blast 400%ATK+ and 16+ stacks of Agony (Totaling 1200%+ damage), is fucking ridiculous if it's free. I think it having 1-cost is appropriatefor reference :discard 4 cards = 1200%ATK damagediscard 6 cards = 1800%ATK damagediscard 8 cards = 2400%ATK damageThis is without Gouge or Curse btw. It might need to cost 2AP if I'm going to be honest, but I wanna know what you guys think first.
>>547677576We LOVE ecelebs here as long as they aren't Flares.
>>547677576veronica did more damage than yukis 4 card combo lmfaooo
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1KCUuBRE3P What the heck
>>547677576SEA hours
I'm just gonna do chaos runs when I want to play roguelike. I think people have some weird gacha brainrot where they need to play game 24/7 and then they complain there is no content or that they have burnout.I do like 2-3 chaos runs a week now and each time I'm having lots of fun. When they will lower the lvl up cost I will also build different teams. In most gacha games burnout and fatigue is self inflicted.
>>547677125ST build so she can fully focus my pp
>>547677857>that Renoa Ego > Mute Accent comboPretty nice, damn
>>547677857Nia and Renoa are made for each other
Average Yuki gameplay>No -2 cost epiphany? Reset>Didn't dupe Iceberg or Flash Slash? Reset>Didn't get Mutated card? Reset>Didn't dupe Prepare to Subdue? Reset>Didn't get the right Prepare to Subdue epi? Reset>Didn't get Retain/Retrieve epi? Reset>Didn't get the best gear for her? ResetThis shit is more cancer than Mei Lin's unity and spiral kickWhat's worse is that even if she got the perfect deck, Yuki still deals LESS damage than the average Mei Lin deck
>>547678116You don't need the perfect deck to beat the gameretard
>>547678116You don't need all that, stupid. Just dupe Subdue. Everything else is variable.
>>547677857how the fuck do you deal 1200 damage with the bullet extra attack man, does she have 100000atk?
>>547678116Don't flatter yourself into thinking she has that many "must have" epiphs.
>>547678219Morale stacking is a helluva drug
>>547678182>>547678194See you in the place 99999 of the leaderboard, shitters. Your opinion on anything will be instantly discarded if you're not in top 5% at least, by the way.
>>547678182>>547678194Braindead retards. Go kysYou need to have the perfect deck for Yuki otherwise she deals zero damageBut of course you faggots don't play the game
>>547678371>See you in the place 99999 of the leaderboard, shitters.Me to you because you don't even play the game
>>547677053>The reality is people here have been doing something close to the above for hours straight delving into Chaos with worse results because the RNG is that badIt's no results. I played around 500 hours probably and i just cant do it anymore. The rng wasnt so bad because the game was new and fresh and i tried shit out. Now? Now i actually need some viable decks to do the harder content and all i get for putting my time into it is NO results. Most of the time i enter chaos my decks are shit at the end. Thry are good for farming potential stages. Anything above that and they are useless. The rng is too much and too annoying. Its just not fun.
>>547675380>wah wah, why this roguelike doesn't let me have the perfect deck on every runGachaniggers are the true scourge. You fags genuienly argue for removal of gameplay, because you turned your own entertainment into autistic pseudo job and you can only experience your dopamine hit when that free gacha resource is going up.>respect my timesaid fag that is most likely playing 5 gacha games at the same time and wasting hours on end to get equivalent of 1 free pull per month... so 2 bucks. Get a jobYou fags destroyed ZZZ and will kill Endfield, let me have this one so kindly stop playing and fuck off.
>>547678219Also E5 Renoa and godlike fragments
>>547678449You sure have to make a lot of assumptions to explain the validity of your 'arguments'
>>547678459>IM SO GOOD AT THIS GAME>CHECK OUT MY EZ CLEAR >F2P E5 RENOA AND EXPLOITED DECKS BTW XDDD
>this guy has been having a melty the whole day because he can't get a good save for Mei Lin
ITT: "People" who will "overprepare" for the leaderboards and won't even get top 50%, much less top 25% or top 10%>>547678547Anon, don't tell me you can't even farm T12 DT...
>>547678384she doesn't have any combos. there's nothing that happens if you have the perfect deck it's just a little better than a not perfect deck. you'd much rather have an imperfect deck with portrait of fury/ecstasy of violence.
nobody has anything against rng in a deckbuilder. but there is a point where it's just too much fucking rng in a game and it makes people quit.
>>547678449
>>547678449damn thats a lotta words to explain youre a faggot
>>547678414Yep. Honeymoon's over lads. Now we need to fix the game
>>547678498Give too much control to a player in roguelike and it stops being roguelike. Anyone who plays this genre understands this. The only argument for it I saw, was people throwing autistic fit because people fish for perfect deck. You don't need perfect deck, you can get all important rewards with a complete whatever decks. There is no pvp here... Issue isn't game, it's you
Do all the special wallpapers for the homescreen have the same background music?
>>547678414>to do the harder contentThe optional harder content? If there's a sticker for 9/9 maybe I'll be shitposting about it but there isn't even one. Just wait for the leaderboard mode to come out before you start bitching.
>500 hoursyeah okay bwo
>>547678845No. But some share the same bgmI have Veronica and Magna and they both have the same BGMKhalipe and Yuki have different bgms
>>547678805They don't want to play a roguelite game, they want to play a PvE coomer gacha. Once you understand this everything makes sense.
>>547678805>waste 10 hours in chaos for nothing>get a good deck after half the time>this is now "too much control" and kills the roguelikeEnd your life
theres actually nothing to use save data on is the real issue. basin is too easy crab is too easy
>>547678627The thing about Yuki is her damage multipliers are so low you need to dupe her Icebergs and 0 cost Flash Slash just for her to compete with other strikersYou can't epi her Iceberg so you're forced to get the 0 cost epi to maximize her potential
>>547677302Someone post this in the next thread's OP:There will be no Chizuru leaks until the patch. Her kit is completely missing from the current data pack, and we will not receive any update to the data pack until the patch.
>>54767898695% of the playerbase can't clear 9/9Stop letting autist in this place skew your perception of the game's difficulty
>>547679027Just make a post early in the thread and attach an image so anons can see it.
Yeah I love that part in Balatro where I have to grind 25 hours for a good Full House build to beat Jimbo God.
>>547677053TRVKE LET THE PEOPLE KNOW
>>547678984You don't want a good deck, you want a perfect deck. Stop lying.
>>547678984>good deckDefine good deck, because I can get all free gacha currency with a complete dogshit decks that I got from casually running chaos few times a week.
Why don't they just let us handcraft our deck and equipment at the very start of Chaos and then skip straight to the boss?
>>547679102I don't think I will be around when the next thread gets baked unfortunately
>>547679121ummm just play cashually until you get it mkaychud?
>>547679174This. It's a gacha game after all. Why even have Chaos at all? Just delete Chaos and let us build decks and units like in traditional gacha. RNG is... le bad.
>>547679140>>547679163We will see which sentiment will prevail. Your dogshit dishonest 'perfect deck' arguments will not hold because on average people are just not getting good decks and chaos runs are just a waste of time, especially once you leveled it to the max. There is literally zero reward for playing chaos for half an hour. All you get is being mad and quit for the day.
Chizuru kits leak doko
>>547679275>>547679027
>>547679271I cleared 30/30 Basin literally first day of new cycle.I cleared 9/9 crab with mediocre decks.You are only seething because you've been trying to get perfect decks, even though you only need good decks and good game sense.
I am NO LONGER ASKINGExplain the gong meme or Mika eats lead!
>>547679271>chaos runs are just a waste of timeAnon... You don't want to play this game. Chaos is core of the game, like... It's the fun part. They point of the game is not to have 9/9 basin and do all bosses (even though you can do it with whatever decks). That shit is just extra. Game is chaos runs.
I wonder if these people who are okay with the current system of chaos and character decks are the same people that STILL watch binding of Isaac runs in 2025
How do they pick the MVP for each run
>make the deckbuilding fairer>"n-nooo i want to be punished it is good to waste my neet-ass time i got nothing else to dooo think of the integrity of my time-wasting deckbuilder! It NEEDS to be unfair or else i will have nothing to play and need to ask myself existential questions again and i hate thinking about my future and how much of a fuckup i am"
People are beginning to see the issues with this game because it's trying to be both a gacha game and a "seasonal" grindy live service game. This is absolutely going to burn people out way faster than either one of those things would, individually. The RNG is fine for a live service f2p game, and the gacha is "fine" for a gacha game, but with CZN it's all the worst parts of live service seasonal games with all of the very worse parts of the very worst gacha systems. It is being carried insanely hard by the fact that the gameplay is good (until you get burnt out)
>>547679420>Threatening the most OP healer in the game with a peashooter
beat crab with maribell and farm views. everyone know the end game for any game is to farm views
>>547679629shut the fuck up flares
>>547679526>>547679538>>547679578Say, they granted your wish and now everyone can unlock 80%-100% of a character's deck potential (100% being a perfect god deck). What next? There is no content you can use the save for. Are you going to ask for more endgame content next?
I'm liking the gameplay of this game too much. What game would you recommend for me to play that I would hate the gameplay of?
>>547679578You only get burnt out on it if you're autism minmaxing. Would still like some things to alleviate the more extreme cases of deck fishing though
>>547679675Weirdly rent free. What is your hate obsession with him?
>>547679578As much as I’m going insane here, it IS being fun. Kind of like farming in Warframe. It’s disguting you don’t get what you want but the gameplay is fun enough for the journey through it.
Is it better to buy one more Gift bag or remove Whirpool?
>>547679701Dumbass fucking nigger. Just make unlocking 80% of the deck not a 10 hour slog but 5. Keep the fucking grind. Just make it not be so dogshit. People will quit either way if they are dissatisfied.
They should put poe-style crafting currency in the game so people can complain more about RNG when the annul orb hits their Tressa's Shadow Reload and not the basic heal
>>547679784If that was the 1 cost whirl with wave then I'd keep it, but that one is pretty annoying to be stuck with.
>>547679701Say they kept things the same and the honeymoon period wears off and people don't even bother rolling the new characters because they know the Tressa deck they already built will still clear content and not waste an ungodly numbers of hours.
>he can't get the perfect deckSkill issue
>>547679796Yeah, so when everyone has 80%-100% god decks, and they cleared every endgame there is, what is the next thing?
Who's Flares?
>>547679526No, it's the people who just play the genre. I don't play one roguelike because there is only so much content, but you know what I add with mods when I want to make those games more fun? Not mods to make me OP with perfect decks, but mods to add characters and cards... like this game will be doing. I played plenty of roguelikes and this game rng is pretty standard for the genre.Gachaniggers are the scourge.
>>547679915>Gachaniggers are the scourge.FACT FLOOD
>>547679701>>547679893Say, they keep it the way it is and once casuals catch up where we are (level 50+) and start wanting to tackle harder content and realize just how bad the grind is, you think they stay or leave? Who do you think is paying for this game?
>>547679701>80-100%how much % is reserved to divine epis, cuz I swear to God I can't even get to 50%, especially not with tressa on basic epis
>>547679862K thanks.
>>547679174Who would do the BBC posting then?All brown subhumans would be gone
>>547679390>I cleared 9/9 crab with mediocre decks.I don't think you did. But surely you can prove me wrong and post a video recording of your clear.
>>547679701>Say, they granted your wish and now everyone can unlock 80%-100% of a character's deck potential (100% being a perfect god deck). What next?If the layers of RNG are lessened and getting the "perfect" deck can be done in just a couple runs, you still need to do that for every character you want to use, and that's still going to take a while. The weekly wants 4-5 runs of Chaos. So you slowly build the units you want over the course of 9 weeks. By the end of 9 weeks, you have "perfect" save data for every character that the game gives you the resources to actually build, which is another issue that can lead to burn out - there are not enough resources to build many units. >There is no content you can use the save for. You are still "required" to run 4-5 Chaos runs per week for the entire duration of the "Season", and you'll be required to do that for the entire duration of the next "Season" as well, all the way until EoS. If you're required to do multiple Chaos runs per week anyway, there is no harm in allowing people to actually improve their save data by doing so. >Are you going to ask for more endgame content next?This game doesn't need more content. There is "too much" content. There is too much grind. If you allowed people more control over the epiphanies and god epiphanies and whatever else, this game would still be on the higher end of time spent doing chores on a daily/weekly/monthly basis in a gacha game.
the save data limitation makes it so you play a certain way in chaos makes it so dogshit.
>Some people want the devs to improve the epiphany options instead of adding a reroll, so players don’t just pick the one best epiphany for every character.>Expecting that from the same people who designed Tressa and Mei Lin.Wow, I sure wonder what they’re actually going to do.
yeah sisters who would just want to engage with fun gameplay? the only reason for playing is farming stuffI too need le epic carrot to keep engaged, if I'm not told what to do I'm not having fun!
>>547679981current endgame content can be completed with extremely not optimized decks. The girnd you are talking about is like saying>do you know how much it takes to have set of 6 artifacts with perfect substats?!No one cares about your autistic minmaxing
I need more standard rolls, the commander missions and rank rewards don't give enough
>>547679893They will slowly phase out Tressa decks in favor of new playstyles, and people will roll for new gameplay. Personally I'd like my favorite characters to stay in the meta longer.>>547679981LOL, casuals can't even 30/30 basin yet, anon. They are literally struggling with it.
>>547679902>what is the next thing?Nothing. Just like now.
>"I totally care about this game bro and I'm just concerned about these totally valid problems. What? Post feedback on their official forums that the actually read? Why would I do that?"
>>547680058>this game would still be on the higher end of time spent doing chores on a daily/weekly/monthly basis in a gacha game./czn/ will need another few weeks to accept this TRVTH NVKE
>>547680172Stop noticing
>>547680172Can't I do it both here and via surveys?
So I guess the main point of doing higher difficulty weekly challenges is the gold fragments
>>547679915yeah and you don't have "save data" to use for those games in "endgame" modes with various fucking arbitrary rules that affect how they come outnevermind the fact we have fucking gear and 10 year long character building on top of that
>>547680205Czn sure is full of white people that happen to be unemployed.
>>547680172Lurkers will take our superior arguments and carry it over to reddit and reddit to the forums to the streamers. Jena is reading this thread right now.
>>547680254You should make posts on Stove before you post about it here.
>>547679915>play normal roguelike>winning is just finishing a run, not building a deck>short runs>no gachashit fomoKill yourself gook slurper. Also>>547679538
>>547680058They are planning to ease up the combatant upgrade requirements (-80% unit costs) so pretty soon we'll all have full lv60 roster. In the end it comes down to what level of "good" is acceptable for people. Some people think just because every copy event doesn't go to that specific character, the entire run is bricked.There's also the issue of combatants' power ceiling that will be a problem in the future if they make deckbuilding easier.For example no matter how perfect you build Owen, he will never beat Mei Lin.Right now we have RNG upon RNG, but at least a dedicated Owenfag can still beat the average Mei Lin.If they got rid of the RNG, Mei Lin will have to be nerfed.
>>547680321Maybe you want to vent first before you post it
>>547679538absolvte banger post
I wonder if we will ever get a Supporr or nuke centric Hunter, solely because none of them so far synergise extremely well with Serithea's active other than maybe Luke's Finisher Shot (which is not even that powerful) or HVAP locked behind E6.
>>547680409Then I'm looking forward to seeing proof of your Stove post soon.
>>547679538Unfortunate truth nuke
>>547679092You're a skillet loser and it shows.
Why is asking for 20% less RNG making the unemployed absolutely seethe?
>>547679538TRVTH. NVKE.
Imagine if they add daily challenge and daily leaderboard from StS to this game
>>547648449They are defense. Counters cant crit however. So the scaling is almost as bad as fixed dmg. Not quite fixeds level of dogass though
>>547680390>They are planning to ease up the combatant upgrade requirements (-80% unit costs) so pretty soon we'll all have full lv60 roster.All it does is save 2 days. You're still spending 11 days per character due to promotion costs and unit costs
>>547680502the game should be more random insteadthere should be an extra (useless) epiphany on every card
My deck in slay the spire doesn't carry over to other game modes so why do slurpers try to make the muh roguelike game cope? They should remove the gacha elements if they don't want it to be treated like a gacha game.
>>547679129mother fucker. they. are. experiencing. it.
>>547680275
>>547680502They only thing they have in life which makes them feel superior to others is having a ultra lucked out deck from grinding, which they can post in this general to show off to wagies
>>547680390>They are planning to ease up the combatant upgrade requirements (-80% unit costs) so pretty soon we'll all have full lv60 roster.No. They are lessening the unit cost and *only* the unit cost, specifically because units are used for literally everything in this game, from Zero system to food buffs, and people were literally too poor to buy food. You still need to farm Potential materials for each character. Some of these materials are time gated behind a weekly boss. You still need to farm exp materials - you need 200 gold passes to level a unit from 50 to 60. You still need to endlessly farm Memory Fragments until EoS, and you still lose 100k units every time you pull a better one than you are currently using. You still need to farm advancement materials which are different for each class, and you still need to farm exp and advancement materials for Partners as well. The *only* change is that you wont need to also be farming units (at an abysmal rate) on top of all this.
chaos zero content let the nightmare continue
All they needed to do was not add the meme Morale/Resolve epi to every card. If it was an actual 3/5 roll everything would be fine.
>>547680502Exactly. Adding a reroll doesn’t even remove the RNG. Isn’t that why people wasted their daily 20 hourglasses for nothing in the first place?
Umamusume managed to top charts just with japan while having even more obnoxious daily run requirement. That is combined with pvp, being much more rng and with guild autism of having to collect fans. It wasn't a big problem for global as well considering it even managed to breach into normie sphere. Somehow anons who already spent 500 hours in the game are concerned about the casuals burning out and grinding.You don't play genre, your first gacha game was genshin and you should get a job.
>>547680546>leaderboardsOh, so on top of being an unfair system, now we need to make players also feel envy and jealousy. Damn, bro, monkeys killed their head honchos for less.
>>547680459Sure, I will soon, but at the same time people bitching about x/y/z isnt any different here compared to most other games
>>547680275>>547680618At what difficulty Judas strat dropping 2 feathers?
>>547680635I didn't think about that lol. I can see no-lifers seething about people getting good decks with a fraction of the grind they did.
>>547680546Me on the left
>>547680674Please understand, making and reselling CZN accounts makes them more money than minwage in their seanigger currency.
>>547680694Other games don't have such direct lines of communication to the devs. Their devs also often aren't as responsive.
>>547654651??? The final boss of the final floor of lab0
im getting above average decks every 2-3 chaos runs. the problem is that basin is more a character check, not deck check and my teams suck there. One team is expensive justice gang the other is getting their turns stolen when i kill thinks by agony/counters.
>>547680674Umamusume has no gameplay
>>547680674And most people stopped playing Uma Musume.
>>547680674Granblue fantasy also used to top charts but it doesn't make the autistic gw grind acceptable. Other games are shit so it's okay for this game to be shit too!
>>547680674I saw caedrel play the game a while back, he doesn't play it anymore. and hasn't for a really long time
Does this work for khalipe or no
>>547680683Whales love leaderboards. This is gonna earn Smilegate an obnoxious amount of money...
>>547680674>"n-nooo you also have to eat slop! Just look at how much worse others do! Feel great about having to to merely this thing in this game! You should actually feel grateful! Yes, feel grateful for the shit you're eating because you could always eat way more shit!"Kill yourself
>>547680172How dare people talk about video games on 4chan. This is the eceleb and Twitter drama website.
>>547680873It does not, sadly.
>>547680674They hated him because he spoke the truth…
>>547680674>a Cygames gameThis isn’t the own you think it is.
>>547680674You know Umamusume was fotm right? People saw all the grind and fucked off.
>>547680683In StS the leaderboard is determined by how well you do in a single run tho, so if they decide to copy it, you can ignore all the save data bs
>>547680674bro horsefuckers both on /v/ and /vg/ are dooming
>>547680674Uma slop is literally horse racing so it's a gacha and a gambling sim on top, it's two fold gambling addiction simulation and the trannies playing it had no chance after seeing their favorite eceleb paid to try it
>>547680674guys when's the last time northernlion played this game? no, but I'm being for real
They should give the deities their own lists of special epiphany effects and make them appear on certain planets more often.
>>547680942It does affect silver veil and a silver veil crit does more than 3 vulture crits.
>>547680947>game goes from reaching 80k+ concurrent players on launch to less than 10k Nah.
>>547681056They already did that tho?
>>547680674>Umamusume managed to top charts just with japan while having even more obnoxious daily run requirement.I've heard the theory multiple times that Umamusume was being used to launder money by the Yakuza.
>>547680851Not saying it's good, but this concern posting is really obnoxious. Facts are you don't have to have perfect deck to finish endgame content. The main fun part of the game should be chaos runs and current level of rng is pretty good for the genre.I see no valid reason for complaining about grinding, because fact is... You are not supposed to have god deck. That's not point of the game.
>>547681054Cygames will pay him again to play after they pay for the mobile goty.
Just...give me merely one epiphany reroll...that is all im asking..or let me copy a card i want..just that
one way to save the game is to allow an infinity chaos mode but you start with the save
>>547680703I think 1?
Bros... how do I cope... Mei Ling is literally unplayable without the absolute perfect deck... she's so fucking dogshit...
Renoa tiny dick joke is tame compared to this
>>547681063Is Silver Veil really considered an "Extra Attack"? Can hackerman confirm?
>>547681137If they tie no rewards people wont do it and complain.If they tie rewards people wont do it and complain.There is no winning. Most people just want rolls in their account for no effort not actual gameplay.
>>547681117>PERFECT DECK PERFECT PERFECTWHY IS IT ALWAYS "PERFECT", nigga I'm struggling to even hit a "good" one.and arbitrary,nta
>>547681116Yeah and Yakuza would visit you if you lewd horses. It's a meme. Game was just that popular in japan. I visited tokyo last year and even few years after release it was very easy to find people playing it on train.
>>547681103Sorry, what I meant was they should expand the special epiphanies based on the "theme" of that deity. I read somewhere that the pool of additional effects of divine epiphanies are the same for all deities.
>>547681117how long until this nigger will finally realize most people can't even get good decks. forget god decks. keep arguing but you are on the losing side because you are a delusional tranny.
Will this carry me until EoS?
>>547681131nyoYOU JUST WANT THE PERFECT DECK or something idkDIE
>>547681240It is you dumb fucking retard. Holy fuck sea hours are the worst and just full of disinfo and people bricking each other.
>>547681270Gookdevs will make it unviable once revenue goes down.
kayron is bad
>>547680798>Other games don't have such direct lines of communication to the devsMost games have forums/customer services/surveys of a similar sort
>>547681253It's just the typical argument of extremes. It's used by certain specific types of people who cannot find any reason to actually argue against the thing that has upset them, so they have to create a different and much more extreme version of that argument, and this is what they argue against.
>>547681253>>547681267Then complain about some ephianies being bad, because that's solution to not getting good decks. Mei Lin should not be dependant on Move epihany as much as she is right now. RNG has nothing to do with it, but balance.
>>547681270With the right draw support sure.Sovereignty and overwhelm are dead hits if trying to stack a 2turn aromata for a fat nuke turn.
>>547681337Calm down, little child. All I did was ask a question. There is no need to piss your panties and start calling everyone brown just because a white man calmly asked a question.
>>547681063I just feel I would rather pick up + DMG effects. Yeah Silver Veil rocks but if I bring Khalipe it's usually to try and sweep trash mobs before they start hitting and not because I plan to get 3 Silver Veil stacks per turn.
>>547681072We don’t even know what we’re at tho
>>547681347He is the only launch character that will stay meta till EOS, his scaling is fucking insane and his ego dupes turn him into different character completely.
>keep the retarded rng>people leave>ease the retarded rng>people get their decks and leaveNo, retard. People actually stay because they have a reason to stay thanks to the value their grinded decks give them. Because it is not such stupid bullshit RNG anymore, they actually go back to grind even more characters because they know they won't get fucked in the ass for playing.
>>547681353You know that's not the same. It's not as direct since you don't see the devs acknowledge the feedback as often as here.
>>547681020Me on the right
>>547681417This. Making the grind "easy" won't solve the underlying problem that is EVERY CHARACTER HAS ONE GOOD DECK.
>>547681518But enough about Mei Lin.
>>547681417The problem is not the grind. Its the RNG. The carrot you chase after should be the goal. But even seeing the carrot is RNG in this game. Fuck this shit
I’m still here because I think the game is fun…
>>547681270The only one I can see survive powercreep for a long time is Veronica, because powercreeping her means you draw your entire deck in the first turn, which might as well remove the draw aspect of deckbuilder at that point
>>547681518i agree, veronica will be meta until eos
>>547681542>It's not as direct since you don't see the devs acknowledge the feedback as often as hereMore like they don't state it as blatantly
Gameplay is kinda retarded tho because once you get the perfect deck there is no reason to run Chaos or do any of the dungeoneering part.
Well you should leave and come back during non-shitpost hours.
>>547681417This, hire me as the balance guy and I will buff all the BRICKpiphanies into decent alternatives
>>547681270I got double Spire with +1hit instead of Unity, but with Owen's wind charge that he has 3 of, all those Spires now hit twice all the time, and inflict 2 vulnerable as well.
>>547681621I can already redraw six cards before the battle begins. And then have Veronica's redraws as well. You could even redraw nine cards if you wanted to.
>>547681617m doing around 7-8 runs a day and I think they’re all fun, but I still agree with the people who want a reroll option.
Another issue with this game that I'm sure everyone knows but that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that you CAN'T SKIP epiphanies. If you get shitty epiphany choices, you MUST choose one of them. Even if they just gave you a skip option, that'd still be much better than what we currently have.
anyone wanna make some bread so we can continue arguing about rng without the thread actually dying? thanks very much
>>547681253Most people say "good deck" but what they mean is "I want to hit Crab 9 for 30k turn one" hence why. Nta here too, I just do not see the rush when we have what, fifty more days of event? And you will likely run the Chaos at least four or five times per week.plenty of time to make something decent now. If it was the Launch Lab 0 though, yeah fuck that shit. I was literally ending runs and some cards never even deigned to show up.There's decks that are not good and then there's "Yuki with no Trickery Strike".
>>547681653Yeah, that's what I said. The devs addressing specific complaints and not being vague is exactly what I'm talking about.
>>547681591Characters have many good decks. A deck that hyper-optimized for a specific battle is not everything a character has to offer.
>>547681779i wont work for free
>>547681661Yeah why do people play slay the spire when there's no farming? I don't understand
A 60% Mei Lin is stronger than 100% Owen so if you let everyone get 80%-100% Mei Lin, you'll basically kill Owen.
>>547681771>skipping epiphany on one card until the end of the runsounds like the average run for a tressa and Hugo player
>>547681779We're only on page 7.
>>547681661Now you know why this event forces solely decks farming in the current Chaos
>>547681837Why do they?Masochism?
>>547681762Redraw, not drawI'm talking about drawing and USING the card, like how Veronica + Mei Lin are doing rn
>>547681180Just use Hugo or Luke.They are very easy to build.
I got bored. I only logged in to get to level 50.
>>547681887I don't have a reason to play if there's not a reward tacked at the endI CANNOT fathom a game designed without farming
>>547681615The goal in theory should be doing more and more difficult chaos runs. Game just gives you option to do something with decks afterwards.As I have said, issue lies in fact some characters don't have enough build path and feel horrible unless you get specific epihanies. You should be able to pivot if you don't get one you want, but currently most characters are unable to do it, hence runs feels more like bricks than they should.People focus on grind and rng, but rng is core of the genre. They can tweak it slightly, but it won't address what people are bothered with. Give people rerolls without addressing epihany issue, you just end up with people fishing exactly for one deck which is a complete anti-thesis of genre. Some Epihanies should be changed a bit to allow different build paths
>>547681890My bad, i thought cycling through your whole deck before the fight even began was the issue
>>547681771Sounds like another reason for buffing underpowered epiphanies.I think the devs are on the right path, after all they also mentioned buffing Yuki's underpowered epiphanies.
>>547681518If you think his dupes are good you should read what Luke's dupes do. His E2 is difference between turn 1 9/9 Crab and not being able to clear the crab.
>>547681843well take that up to the devs for making a shit ass character in comparison. And unironically, I believe that Owen support is better than sub/dps Owen anyways
Also, lets remember that early abusers still have busted decks that they have not and seemingly will not remove, and that those decks can still be used for any content that is not part of the Seasonal rotating event.
>>547681964Even if you buff some of epiphanies, if they are not strictly better for one specific purpose, they'll still be regarded as run ruin. Because no variety allowed.
>>547681956That is the flexibility in a run I dream of, the ability to still make something strong and fun wether or not I get the most meta epiph.
Memory Fragments for Cassius?
>>547681938Well, everything you need to farm to advance characters and partners can be obtained more efficiently outside chaos.I can imagine I'd run chaos for a new character, but that's it.
>>547682063But at least people will shut up about not getting good decks
>>547682015Touch my Mika’s 2-Spirit Kefoxes deck and see what happens.
What with all these deleted post?
>>5476820902/2/2 attack, def, and crit damage or agony if with Tressa
>>547682151bro hiding his riches...
what's the point of complaining like thisthey literally change everything people have been complaining aboutnot only that, they already confirmed they are trying ideas to let you edit save data once a run is complete so they are aware people is frustrated about thisso why bitching like this? it's coming. just wait.
>>547681956I guess i can be swoon over to your side because your argument makes sense. What my problem is, is that the game feels unrewarding. I am at the point where i think to myself "why bother? I wont get what i want anyway" and just lose motivation. If there was more build variety and epiphanies could synergize better with each other and make strong non-god decks, then that would be fine as well. Just make me actually look forward to something i can achieve realistically. Forget god decks, i have never even seen a god epiphany on any character on any of my runs for the past month. Is this the thing i should look forward to? Or the mediocre decks?
>>547681771or they could just give initiation to hugo's epiphanies, how about that
>>547682171It’s with Tressa. Thabks for the tip
>>5476820902pc def, hp and a flex for either attack or basic card damage if using just for deck manipulation.
>>547682198>what's the point of complaining like this>they literally change everything people have been complaining aboutHmm...
>>547682090Get to 700 HP for his final node, attack for 5, and then you pick if you want attack or defense for 6. Sadly I do not believe he has the room to go CritC on 4 unlike Orlea.
>>547682198>they already confirmed they are trying ideas to let you edit save data I swear to God if they listen and actually make changes to save data/chaos for these gachanegroids. . .
>>547681782>And you will likely run the Chaos at least four or five times per week.plenty of time to make something decent now.Haha...> I was literally ending runs and some cards never even deigned to show up.Still happens btw
>>547682201Are you playing on deep trauma? Because I can’t believe you at all if so, never seeing a divine epiph
>>547681802The only crazy thing there was addressing Yuki is weak with the current content, the rest seems similar to most dev update posts regarding complaint and QoL
>>547682142Eh, they might not stop it even after they quit. Because some yt showcase of some specific build against a specific boss.Honestly, if Smilegate recorded decks that went viral and sold them as prebuilts, it could even work.
>>547682261HOLY SHIT SMILEGATE READS 4CHAN?
>>547682198>not only that, they already confirmed they are trying ideas to let you edit save data once a run is complete soSource? I haven't seen this. It also wouldn't fix the current topic of conversation about getting shitty epiphanies.
>>547682201>i have never even seen a god epiphanyAre you doing trauma runs? I noticed god epi spawn much more often on trauma runs. I often get like 2 per run.
>>547682334At this point I wouldnt be surprised if they doAfter all, arcalive is just gook version of 4chan
We are at the point where people are bored and want something new, banners should be 2 weeks long because if Chizuru was dropping tomorrow the cadence of content would keep us with something to talk about without delving into doomposting RNGInstead we get another boss battle which will just further piss have-nots off that haven't farmed 99 percentile meta decks.If they want to stick to the genshin banner cadence they need to add some sort of free-reign exploration content like rifts in diablo, because there is nothing else to discuss right now other than clear times with OP decks and the state of the RNG systems
>>547682313Not divine. Actually getting a god epiphany on that one card with the right attributes and whatnot that is the bread and butter of a god deck. Never seen one even once.
>>547682201>i have never even seen a god epiphanyThat's just not possible. Unless you're brand new to the game, in which case you are out of your depth trying to participate in this conversation.
>>547682334lol noThey get their feedback from the eceleb Discord cabal.
>>547682419If they use the same translation software as they do for the game, then them reading 4chan would be a very bad thing.
>>547682261>>they literally change everything people have been complaining aboutCorrection they start making changes after /ourguy/ make rant video about it
>>547682198Wasn't that edit more for people who went over the save data cap? So it doesn't rng fuckup their save
>>547681938Nowadays in roguelites the fun of the game comes from the challenge early on when you don't have unlocks yet, progressing through the game trying out all the new unlocks, and lategame making it harder with special modifiers (like the crab)Chrono Ark and The Last Spell are both good examples, you should try them.
>>547682290they appease the most popular requestsive checked social media around and apparently the RNG luck for epiphanies and god decks is kinda popularI'll search for that notice btw I remember reading itIM NOT CRAZY!!! I KNOW THEY WROTE IT SOMEWHERE
>>547682313>>547682389>>547682465how can three people misunderstand what is being meant by a "god card" when talking about "god decks"
>>547682483>/ourguy/Who...? Don't tell me it's the jew jenazad
I still can't kill crab 9 even after farming non-stop since day 1 of the event...Is it gear? Memory fragments? I see people cleaing it saying it's easy and they have like 60% crit rate and 200% crit damage
>>547682429Getting a divine epiphany on a specific upgrade is still mega RNG. I’ve hardly ever seen it either.Seen plenty of Mei Lin’s unity get the divine proc but it always goes on some garbage and never the Move one. That’s just multiple multiple layers of RNG to get that.
hello fellow players i work at smilegate and aggregate complaints to send to the ux department.
>>547682472If Content Creators are here shilling their own YouTube channels, which you sincerely believe, then /czn/ is not far removed from SmileGate, is it?
>>547682529Only reason I dropped them is because I need to slurp the live service new cute girl spam. Granted, Yuki, Chizuru and Sereniel are a bad starting batch, but eventually they'll make more.
>>547682543Ask yourself for misunderstanding what he meant when he already clarified, was still poorly worded desu
>>547682543Sorry anon, but god card for me just defaults to god epi. Just call it meta epi next time, no way to misinterpret that one.
>>547682543>how can three people misunderstand what is being meant by a "god card"You didn't say "god card", you said "god epiphany", and... I shouldn't have to fill in the rest. I still don't believe that you've never seen the actually good epiphanies, unless you only play Hugo and you haven't played him since they added back his good epiphany.
>>547682584Hmmm nyes, could you add more rng to epiphanies and card copying?
>>547682529Yeah I have like 600 hours on sts, I was just shitposting
>>547682553a red dps or tressa is a must if you want to have it easy, otherwise it becomes a gear/dupe/divine epi check
>>547682553Lots of it is potential nodes and gear, yeah, I noticed I was doing like half the damage of people’s clears. But also morale stacking is a big help
>>547682693hmmm, nyo
>>547682685Not 'good', 'god'.
>>547660582Powers and exhaust cards get permanent buffs. Other cards get one turn buffs and it says so on the card when that's the case.
>>547682713But I'm using them, and even with potentials my damage is nowhere close to theirs
Okay, redditors and discordtroons. You got the message? Ask for better epipis else /czn/ will get suuuuper angy
>>547682762You didn't say "good" either, you said "god"
the strat is to save to e6 someone, with the uncap item and 2 dupes from shop it should be easy
>Rocketing toward 1k posts at dead hoursCHADos KINo ALIVEANDWONNERDmare!!!!!!!
>>547682872E6 Yuki isn’t even that good desu... E6 Kayron, though...
>>547682578Yes, multiple layers of rng. Getting enough epiphanies to get the cards, then enough to evolve the cards, evolves on the right cards, the right evolves, divine or not, the right divines, finally card copy events and copying the right cards. Also, finding the right gear for the target character.But if on every step you have several options, instead of demanding every choice to be the one you need, that's called replayability.
>>547682872>save to e6 someonewon't be hard considering the rest of the season will probably bricks, vuz they nerfed them in response to the free pulls they gave out
>>547682867You conflate 'good' with 'god' when talking about thing that has yet to happen because of RNG.
>>547682901Doomsissies…We lost…
All this could be avoided if the retard just said perfect epi or something instead of acting like god can't have more than on meaning.
Page 8 dead game
>>547682923Well, not 'need', but want. If you want to consider a character complete and put them aside for a while, it's one thing. If you want that specific build to one turn bosses to spend less time in game, maybe touch the grass.
>>547683083>>547683083>>547683083
>>547681179>I think 1I meant 6, I'm retarded
>>547682965Look man, I'm just telling you what (You) said. You didn't say "god card", which is what you're trying to gaslight people into thinking you said. You didn't say "good card". You didn't say "good epiphany". You said "god epiphany". That's why 3 people "misunderstood" you.
>>547683098>Not letting us get to 1K postsYou blew it! But thanks
>>547682290>plays gachashit and doesn't expect it to get dumbed down by the usual playerbase
>>547682543Your fault for being an esl.
The quest is to copy this card.
