I’ve seen so many people running a Scythes of the Emperor Heavy with the shoulder cape since the patch dropped, the Astartes 2.0 trailer really did a number on the community huh

>>548328578
And the second part of bants:
>With Scipius
https://voca.ro/1gP3nh36zcaw

>with Decimus
https://voca.ro/1anjBO7gyUK9

>With Quartus
https://voca.ro/1fw3WJCntY6v

>With Valius
https://voca.ro/15IINZA8WPtT

>With Vespasius
https://voca.ro/1iBtvwuJYStP
>With Straban
https://voca.ro/18QzWtdq3yz3

>The rest
https://voca.ro/1owI8rJukD6E
https://voca.ro/1jIqPwuqB6bf
https://voca.ro/1lGdlHKDcwwh
https://voca.ro/12OirC8NEgZT
https://voca.ro/1i0bmPNIummo
https://voca.ro/1bNo1DuqJtCJ
https://voca.ro/16w0mFv2eGnJ
https://voca.ro/14LwQwfUSUYO

The PvE_Dread voicelines are AI generated placeholders. I've no idea if this was intentionally put there. Knowing Saber probably. If you're curious here are three samples:
https://voca.ro/12ObrYQJsLAD
https://voca.ro/1js2UZWz0lZ6
https://voca.ro/1eACuGdhoYoK

>>548339028
>the Astartes 2.0 trailer really did a number on the community huh
If by number you mean show how Space Marines would actually operate yeah

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Interesting results of Anon's poll.

>>548340619
Glad to see that it's agreed BTs are the best champ. It might be considered heresy to say otherwise.

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>nepobaby
>incompetent as much as Boreale
>gets bailed out by the MC
>gets bailed out by their spiritual liege
>dies like a retard off screen

>>548341961
You missed the absolute worst part.
>Scottish

>>548340619
lol @ soimanders

>>548342527
I mean.....
>Salamander.... Sniper?
>Shaneequamander

I think the multi-melta is actually pretty good now after the buffs
Definitely not Stalker/Plasma/Flamer good, but good enough to not be a troll pick on Absolute.

>>548343995
Fuck me I meant combi-melta

For the Vanguard perk that boosts damage when ability is on cooldown, do you need to use up both charges or just one?

I might actually try and make an actual spess muhreen

>>548341961
Did they say how exactly he died yet? Don't feel like digging through an actual blog.

>>548346023
Overrun by genestealers in a hive city.

If there are chaos space marines, does that mean there are also chaos sisters of batttle, maybe with massive futa cocks

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>>548346457
There are tons but the Ecclesiarchy hides all evidence of their existence and the various SoB orders deal with the whole thing in the same manner the Dark Angels deal with the Fallen.

>>548346023
He and chairon plus a few other were sent to investigate a hive city, surpise it was a full blown genestealer cult, they fight their way through it, fail, so decide to shut down the entire city like a fallout vault and die inside it with no way to escape or get reinforcements.
One would wonder why this retard didn't simply send a scout team to check out what was going on and simply nuke it from orbit if it was that bad but here we are.

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>>548346457
There's Miriael Sabathiel.

>>548339773
Neat. Thank you

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>>548346457
Definitely.

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They should have a Custodes, one single Custodes fall to Chaos, wipe the floor with Abaddon’s little gary-stu bitch ass, and then take control of the Black Crusade forces and become the next big main 40K antagonist
This would be good for 3 main reasons:
1: It has a lot of storytelling potential, no Custodes has fallen before and he knows a ton about the inner workings of the Imperium and Terra
2: we finally get rid of Abaddon, who nobody likes or thinks is cool
3: it would make Custodes wankers seethe

>>548347176
That isnt death, thats put these characters on ice and bring them back later

>join reclamation at the start
>assault dies to the literal first enemy
This game is a wonder

>all my armor / heraldry setups are simple battle brother or at most veteran setups
>try and limit the gaudy
>always use the basic weapon skins
>some weapons don't let you use non gaudy shit because those variants don't exist at the first tier
this is so stupid it fucking ruins my fit

post yfw an assault player joins the team

>>548348145
What the fuck is this image

>>548350045
assault is the only thing good about the game

>>548350045
If he has the heroic thunder hammer its 'fine'

I was let down by the new mission. It's too short and only the boss is difficult.

How did Acheran make Captain? This dude goes through ultramarines like an alcoholic goes through hiding spaces. And a lot of them can't even have their gene seed harvest because of how fucked they are.

>>548351034
>How did Acheran make Captain?
Everyone higher than him was dead during a campaign and he was promoted on the spot by being the next highest ranking officer.

>>548348675
they had to kill him so Titus could rise as captain of the second company again.

>>548351434
That isn't death, its just icing him for later.

The Tenacity buff for Vanguard probably works best with Melta. It doesn't make sense for me to stop mauling bugs right before killing them and shoot them just for the perk. I'd rather not melee at all.

>>548351573
He's dead m8. He's not a popular character.

Speaking of Acheron, the page on warcom doesn't open the article anymore. Maybe they are going to walk back some of the writing to imply the "icing" as the one anon said

>>548351034
>Reclamation killed one full squad, left another squad with one survivor, and no confirmed casualties in the third squad
>Every squad we saw in the game was three men
This means the 2nd company suffered around 74 casualties so far. We might see more in future operations.
A single operation resulted in 74% casualties due to a space marine captain refusing to follow his lieutenant's tactical advice and suggestions out of spite.

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>>548341961
>>incompetent as much as Boreale
You shut your whore mouth.
You will never reach the pinnacle of masculinity and strategy as commander Boreale. I like to see you place numerous beacons around a perimeter to coordinate multiple simultaneous deep strikes.

In this thread Indrick Boreale is a hero. End of story.

I can't even express in words how much I genuinely despise the people that I'm forced to play this game with

>>548352507
THERE IS NO TIME TO BE LOST

>>548352000
>First time reading warhammer stories
Characters are either killed or go missing. These are not the same thing. Unless its specifically written that a character has been killed and the scene of their death is described you can assume that they're just missing. Even if characters say "He went into a hive city and is dead" that doesn't mean they're dead.

The reason why writers do this is so that they can come back to those characters later if they want to, otherwise if you kill a character there is no way to bring them back. 40k lore is filled with missing characters as is warhammer fantasy (until End Times happened) and GWS often brings back characters.

They clearly decided they wanted Titus to advance so they simply put all the characters in the way in the writers toolkit out of sight and mind.

>>548352507
This post was fact-checked by real Kaurava analysts

>>548352569
40k always attracts absolute mongoloids to the genre which is why it can't be as popular as Star Wars or Star Trek. Even those settings have better communities than 40k.

>>548352507
>That absolutely fucking decked out armor set
God was DoW1 over the top and perfect

>Want to play
>Only thing to do is grind blue jew coins
>Can't because its weekly
This is called shit game design. Remove the dailies and instead put in a quickmatch with random modifiers and increase it to 30 per run. The six versions is moronic.

>>548352507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5fO0oo66r4
A BLIGHT ON OUR HISTORY

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>IH fanboy
>Stalk this thread and game for a crumb of IH content.
>Get passed up for fucking raptors, BT, and multiple salanigger shit that everyone hates.
>Have to wait till the techmarine update next year

Should I get in to this game and do my best to make a Iron hand or just wait for the dlc?

>Acheran likes wearing phobos armor
>Dies after he got 2/3rds of 2nd company killed
>Boreale was an accomplished scout marine who was made into a Brother Captain for Kaurava
>Dies and gets 5 companies wiped
Don't make people who wear light armor into commanders.

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>>548353591
>This is what public schools teach kids these days.
Cyrus is a lying traitor. Learn some real history liberal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBUWLoLlfFQ

>>548354965
Non-canon

The Blud Rehvans only won in the first game and in Dork Crusade

Eldar are the canon winners in Winter Assault, Orkz in Soulstorm

>>548354630
Boreale was sabotaged from within by Kyras, he was good but not good enough to lead entire 5 companies

Kyras wanted to thin out the Blud Rehvans and corrupt the remaining loyalists

>>548355460
>Kyras wanted to thin out the Blud Rehvans and corrupt the remaining loyalists
He almost succeeded too. Really impressive planning.

>>548352507
they're gonna be the redacted chapter aren't they
change scipius' head into cyrus

>>548355460
Perfectly canon
Also Canon that Cyrus turns to chaos in chaos rising.

Disgusting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M8jYBFn-Xc

>>548355590
The only surprising thing is that they weren't punished by the Inquisition, other chapters who experienced the same thing were wiped out to the man or sent out in centuries long penitent crusades

>>548354421
Making an iron hand is not difficult because their heraldry is already in the game, they're not very decorative as a chapter, and we already have access to a cybernetic arm for all classes.

>>548346457
No, they don't exist except for that 1 that fell.

>>548354630
>>548355460
>Cyrus dies after becoming primaris and wearing phobos armor
IT'S A FUCKING CURSE

>in elevator
>faggot tactical aggros a sniper on the other side of the map
>it takes out 90% of my health while I try to roll away from it

>>548352507
>In this thread Indrick Boreale is a hero. End of story.
charles schwab over here

>>548350578
PoV: You're about to be NTR'd by the ugly fat bastard.

>>548352507
Truly, who could be so BAWLD and so FEWLISH?

>>548353485
It's a form of time gating. All the systems in this game are built to ensure you keep playing for as long as possible, from the stratagems to the ridiculous prestige grind.

>>548357432
>hire Steve Blum
>kill him off in the trailer
>show his funeral pyre
DOA

phobos is fucking gay
it should be retconned via girlyman orders
everyone should just wield the regular tacticus and gravis mk10
put the phobos for neophytes

>>548358913
Yeah well Vermintide 2, Helldivers 2 and Arc pulls in more players and don't need to do this shit. Its just bad backwards game design.

>>548360010
Helldivers 2 literally pulls in it’s most record-breaking numbers when it does time-gated FOMO content like the Siege of Super Earth or the Hive World assaults
Not saying everything it does is time-gated, but its most iconic content is

>>548361054
Super Earth content isn't time gated, you can go play on cities right now. And the Hive Worlds got pulled because they're redesigning the whole sub-faction because they were a buggy as hell mess. There has only been a handful of truely FOMO things but those are minor as shit like the scientist extraction or black hole backpack mission.

>>548360010
>Vermintide 2
Dude what the fuck VT2 genuinely has more players than SM2 lmfao
The last time I played VT2 it was dead as fuck.

>>548361516
New update

>>548361516
New update and I think was made free for a short time. But its a godlike game can you blame anyone.

>>548361412
No, the Hive Worlds got pulled because we conquered Oshaune and now the content is unavailable at this time until the devs reintroduce it. It is quite literally time-gated content. You cannot dive on any Hive World or fight a Hivelord right now - not because it was buggy like the first time - but because we won. We conquered Oshaune.

>>548362052
Not true, Arrowhead said on Discord that the caves systems are supposed to be available 24/7 on one planet or another but they've pulled it until they fix it.

>>548362396
Well for one:
The cave systems are only a small part of the time-gated Hive Worlds content, so that doesn’t mean anything
And two:
I’d really like to see your source

>>548362807
Feel free to educate yourself

>>548362396
Also genuinely what the fuck are you talking about “the caves were pulled until they fix them?”
The only things buggy about the Hive World caves were drop pods landing on cave roofs sometimes, and they fixed the majority of that the first time. And why are you using weird language like “they pulled them?”
They didn’t pull them, they’re not divable because we literally reached 100% liberation on Oshaune and conquered it. They didn’t yank it early before we could finish, we took the planet.

>>548363149
Lmao
I should have expected nothing less
Just to be thorough I did some quick searches and can’t find shit about what you’re talking about, so if you could post a screenshot from the trooncord to back up your claims that’s really the only way we can continue this conversation.

>killer instinct
What a retarded fucking modifier. I can kill an entire horde and my ability won't even be halfway charged.

Thanks to their genius decision to just hand out 300 free accolades, I'll just be farming weeklies to grab the heroic heavy bolt pistol and some armor pieces at my leisure.

>>548363149
Also I like how you ignored the other stuff I said about the caves not being the only thing that makes up a Hive World, even if they do add them to other planets later.
My argument still stands rock-solid. You cannot dive on Oshaune right now. You cannot fight Hive Lords, you cannot play the “Restart Pumps”, “Destroy Hive Lung”, or “Conduct Mobile E-711 Extraction” mission types. You cannot see the Hive World biome on any map right now. The fact that this content was available at one time, and is now not available at this time, means that the content is, quite literally by definition, time-gated. Helldivers uses (very cleverly) time-gated story events and content in order to bring in large player numbers. This is an unarguable fact.

>>548361516
i will brook no complaint on this
the two tide games have the best teamwork
>helldivers
>space marine
often a dogshit session incentivizing splitting up
payday2 is good too i guess

>dodge or get hit by 2 chaos enemies

literally who designed this game?

>>548364342
>>548363469
Didn't read, see >>548362396

If you lack the brain power to search this up it wouldn't change your mind anyway. You would continue to shitpost so here is your last (you).

>>548364983
>cherrypick one piece of an argument and ignore the rest
>contest it with unsubstantiated claim
>insist that the burden of proof is on the person questioning the claim instead of on the one making the claim, in direct violation of every single rule human society has ever made on the meaning of “burden of proof”
This site should never fucking change, god I fucking love it here

Sometimes my victory screen gets bugged and I can't hit the next button forcing me to wait an eternity for the whole thing to end

>>548366165
I was told that its because the host left the squad before you loaded in

Y'know what's funny? I distinctly remember talking about how shitty the parry/block/dodge game-play was and how fundementally bad it makes the difficulty.
Sometimes I'll have 3 different attack indications and despite dodging out of it I'll still get hit by something, its like you're put into a postion where you cannot avoid a hit and I think its indicative of Saber not playing their game beyond "Average" Difficulty.

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What do I buy?

>>548366865
Which class do you play?

>>548366865
off the top of my head
>weapons with randomly absurd damage output
the chainsword
the powerfist

>>548340619
The Black Templars pack gives you five essential pieces to make a pre-heresy marine. Outside of that, they're all individually great too.

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>Handshake restores all armor and health
You know what, they russians aren't 100% soulless

>>548354630
The only scout marine I know of that was actually good as a Captain was Kayvaan Shrike of the Raven Guard and he hated the job so fucking much he passed it up the second he could to Aethon Shaan like a black daddy passing on his kids and bailing.

>>548368958
Haven't bought yet the BT DLC, which parts do they have?

>>548369758
Crusade helmet and legs

>>548369758
Mk3 helmet
Mk3 arms
Mk3 legs
Black Templars Chest
Black Templars Blade Guard shoulders
Black Templars power pack with the skelly

The top 3 can be used by any Chapter clean. They have no heraldry on them, that's why the pack has value.

>>548368861
The heroic chainsword does less damage than the basic relic block chainsword and you also have to run balanced

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Hard empathy+split up was a lot easier than I expected.
The heroic bolt sniper feels way more comfortable with just a couple more bolts in reserve.

>>548355716
Avitus you dingus. Avitus was canon.

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When will John Drecom give us an item to up the unity level of our weapons, like a once in a blue moon reward for an event would be nice.

Who would this ring work best on? Shiou?

Do we have one of those bots that just reposts stuff from other generals
Like the one that one autist made to kill that one general

>>548370723
>Anon thinks a standard primaris helmet with an enormous faceplate glued to it is a MkIII helmet

>>548373550
They're all Primaris helmets with shit glued on the front if we're gonna make this point. Even the supposed MKVII or beakie. The faceplate is the only part that changes.

>>548370723
>>548373550
Ah wait my bad, I was thinking of that awful one that came with the Fists pack.
The Black Templars one is still standard primaris kit, just a custom job.

>>548373779
>I was thinking of that awful one that came with the Fists pack.
That's a nice helmet, I will not accept it being slandered.

>>548373779
Fuck you that IF helmet is great

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Slowly coming to the realization as to why the Primaris Tacticus pattern helmet looks bad is all in the chin, or lack thereof. It's smooth, effete, recessed, weak. It does not project power.

In the first column of the tactical perk tree, does plasma boost interact with the pyreblaster or is that just the plasma incinerator?

>>548375552
Just the Incinerator and Plasma Pistol, which desu makes it a must pick regardless of primary just so you have the most ridiculous plasma pistol in the game.

>>548370730
uh... based
i like the heavy chains though

>>548361516
VT2 despite the grind to 30, is pretty casual friendly. When you don't wanna play online, you've got bots that are pretty much viable even on the highest difficulties thanks to them having talents etc.
Really helped the long term survivability of Vermintide 2 by making it so casual friendly to drop in and drop out whenever you want.

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Get owned you fat fucking nerd.

Still baffled by the negro from last thread who was expecting the Techmarine to sound like anything but a Techmarine.

>>548371221
Good to see a based Raptor Chad. Kudos.

>>548378536
I want to use the bsr on chaos but I swear to fucking God chaos spawn have no heads on some variants.

>>548379740
It would have made some sense as an assumption if saber made the other classes sound like ultramarines but you have shit like decimus and straban so that was obviously not happening.

>>548380354
It sucks trying to headshot those spazzy fuck chaos spawn and tzaangors, I don't even try most of the time.

>>548380405
Techmarines are an exception to the rule of behaving/talking like everybody else though, because they're fully inducted into the Cult Mechanicus and believe everything they do, with some cognitive dissonance slapped in because they still also often hold some beliefs from before they were brought into the fold. They're also the most cybernetically enhanced of most Chapters, even in the Iron Hands, the Iron Father will mog 99.99% of the rest of his brothers for flesh replacement.

Based on this >>548339773, Telorian isn't actually as stereotypical as he could have been. I think an apt comparison someone made last thread is he actually sounds a lot like the space marine voice actors from Dawn of War.

>>548378536
What cruel warpsmith would give a robot a FACE?

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>>548340619
>>548340619
>>548340619
https://strawpoll.com/61gD95EQOZw

Poll from last thread for those that want to dip their toes in.

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>>548380947
Well it is specifically meant to be a form of torture. Then there's defilers, which are just daemon engines but they're given a little head for some reason.

>>548381142
Yeah my votes were already the same as the top 3
>Crusader Helm
>Beak Helm
>IF Helmet
Been wondering if I should buy Blood Angels cosmetics for more red paint.

>>548381438
Imperium/Mechanicus were at least smart enough not to keep little helmet heads for loyal Dreadnoughts.

>>548381479
The red paints you get in that pack are really good, take that from someone who doesn't really play Blood Angels outside of Flesh Tearers.

>Baal Red
>Angron Red
Both have become absolute staples in my customization across multiple Chapters. Nice matte reds that are well suited for anybody who prefers more muted shades. Baal Red is also the closest red in the game that matches Sgt. Metaurus' titing shield if you want a sergeant Ultramarine bulwark.

>>548377525
the bots only work if you give them a competent build and even then theyre still not very good
>>548380947
>>548381581
yeah, they just give them a slit to look through

What are some fitting chapter/legions for Heavy and Sniper? So far I have
>Tactical: Malum Caedo
>Assault: Sanguinary Guard
>Vanguard: Pre-Heresy World Eaters
>Bulwark: Pre-Heresy Emperor's Children

>>548383663
I do Alpha Legion Sniper and Silver Skulls Heavy

>>548383663
viligators were common enough among legions

>>548381142
>Both Salamander packs now the only ones without votes
lmao

>>548383663
Raven guard or any of their successors for sniper, imperial fists or iron hands or their successors for heavy.
Hammers of dorn is especially fitting for heavy because they like the codex astartes a lot.

>>548340619
>"Anon's"

>>548383663
>painting phobos armour in World Eater colours
Angron would jump your ass in a heartbeat.
>Bulwark: Pre-Heresy Emperor's Children
I may have actually ran into you once. Do you use the Dark Angel helmet?

>>548380947
i can't see any robots in that webm my dude.

>>548385674
Helmets I've used before are the Dark Angels one with the hood, the Mark X Tacticus one with the hood, and the BT helmet from the Champion Pack

>>548384874
I can't wait for Raptors pack to drop so I can make my Sniper Raptors instead of RG

>>548386063
Ah, the guy I ran into was using the DA helmet with the wings. Actually looked pretty cool.

Great responsibility should be entirely replaced with the new empathy modifer
It's insane how much better it works with the game's mechanics

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>>548383663
Urgh you guys think this good enough for Dark Angels Captain
>>548385674
I wish Saber just de-Phobos'd Sniper and Vanguard

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>>548387672
>I wish Saber just de-Phobos'd Sniper and Vanguard
I'm sorry anon, but we're post-phobosing scouts instead.

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>>548387963
Despite the apparent flak Primaris gets, a lot of people don't seem to actually understand the fundamentals of the armor sets.

Phobos is for scouts, assassins, snipers, and high mobility flanking squads. It sacrifices all auxiliary armor plating for maximum speed and noise dampening. Needless to say, the Raven Guard and Raptors adopted this pattern like it was going to sell out permanently by next week. The Raptors especially have more Phobos pattern squadrons than any other Chapter, they're like 90% skinny boys.

>>548387963
Scipius should be a Scout, not Sniper/Eliminator

That way he gets the chainsword, heavy bolter, rocket launcher, bolter and shotgun

>>548380354
The horrid notes recently were literally "oops we didn't give chaos spawn a fucking head to shoot"

>>548389586
Idk why but hotfix autocorrected to horrid

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>>548328578
>>548319442
>>548314329
>>548314014
https://streamable.com/oztyqj

All these Techmarine leaks, but is there anything regarding the next batch of Heroic weapons?

>>548345216
I'm afraid both.

>>548389694
Nothing yet. Maybe when they release a hotfix, there's going to be additional material to work with.

It's wild that it's been over a year, and gunstrike damage is still not shown on the scoreboard. The heroic fist is pretty good but you wouldn't know it if you just went by the numbers.

>>548390095
The light attack damage is nothing to sniff at on that thing. Along with the Power Axe, it actually makes the buffed dash attacks on Assault feel meaty.

>>548390095
>>548390214
I still want to see the numbers on those light attacks with a few other numbers to compare to, because I don't remember what sort of damage the good kinds of melee attack do

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HULK SMASH

failing an operation because you rolled actual braindead retards who cant stop dying is the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen in this game.

>>548387672
Dark Angels really don't like putting excessive laurels on armor which is a shame because that one is Heavy's best chestpiece.

>>548390214
The heroic power fist doesn't actually buff dash attack damage.

gonna finish campaign soon and its time for pve, is picking sniper as my first class peak retardation?

>>548390872
yeah. you'll learn the importance of headshots and there's a talent to make your stealth a free health pack.

>>548390872
>is picking sniper as my first class peak retardation?
No

Peak retardation is Assault, literal useless class and teaches you nothing that a Vanguard and Bulwark would

Newbs should start with the ranged classes (Tactical, Heavy, Sniper) before diving in with the melee ones with Assault being your last grind

The natural progression railroads players into those first three classes, then Vanguard, Bulwark then Assault; when the Techmarine shows up it joins the first three classes in priority at least for those who will start next year

Sniper is a headshot pest, if you're not good at quickscoping you're going to eat shit and be useless since his main guns do jackshit damage save for the head, a retarded slavnigger classic

>>548390872
>is picking sniper as my first class peak retardation?
yes, it is. this game is about close combat. if you stay behind you will get ganked, forced into melee, and killed before other players rescue you.

>>548391858
>this game is about close combat.
it isn't, stop trolling

>>548390360
Light attacks are some shit like 30 damage. So the HPFist's lights are doing somewhere in the range of 90.

The nice thing about the HPFist is that you're not stuck just spamming the charged attacks and actually get to use the entire kit. It's easy to argue the charged attacks don't do as much damage so the weapon is bad, but let's be real, the PFist's charged attack damage is so overtuned along with the range that -50% may as well be going from a nuclear flash to a MOAB.

>>548390752
I was more meaning taking the weapon perk that gives your dash attack +50% damage, and then the Assault class perks Winged Fury and Act of Attrition.

>>548391858
>yes, it is. this game is about close combat.
I can't hear you over my <500 melee score and 25k+ ranged score.

>>548380947
Dreadnoughts aren't robots

>>548392234
Whoever the fuck narrated Fulgrim thought they were. Dude sounded like a Dalek.

>>548340619
I bet most people in this general run double Black Templar knees.

>>548391974
The dash attack doesn't count as a light. Baseline it's around 10 damage if you don't take the class perk and weapon perk that increase the damage.

The heroic power fist does 60 with its lights and 234 ish with overcharge while block does 334. The main take away being that the regular dash attack and "feature" dash attack are worthless dogshit. Oh and the weapon perk for fist to increase canon jab damage doesn't affect the jet pack dash version.

>>548394090
>The dash attack doesn't count as a light.
I never said it did, I'm saying it combines well with the light spam.

>>548394175
>Combines well

It does piddly squat for damage. That time could be spent way more effectively just charging attacks.

>>548394423
But I want to actually punch things, not Hadouken things.

>>548394506
That's fine. Punch away. But let's not pretend doing 20 damage is anything but garbage especially since you're giving up several perks to do it. If you're having fun that's all that matters.

>>548394090
>The heroic power fist does 60
It surely can't be that. Power Fist lights bog standard over a year ago were already doing 25 damage per punch. 200% would mean a minimum of 75.

>>548383663
Mantis Warriors were like the only chapter to use snipers on anything other than scouts before the whole nulore shit shappened.

>>548394672
25 is block pfist damage. The heroic has a lower base damage.

>>548394774
Those are old stats, I think the problem here is nobody has made a modern spreadsheet.

For clarity, the old fencing Power Fist had a damage rating of 10 and an actual damage number of 20. The rebalanced Fencing Power Fist from a few months ago has a damage rating of 13, so its damage should be around 26.

The Heroic Power Fist has a damage rating of 15, same as the Balanced version, so if the math is going to be consistent, that's 30 actual damage.

>>548395082
The document has been updated as far as I know and 60 damage is what I got when I personally tested on patch day.

What's the Bulwark perks for Block Sword?

>>548393983
what's wrong with double black templar knees and pauldrons and helmet? aren't black templars the "anything goes" chapter?

Why doesnt the bulwark have his shield when using thunder hammer

>>548399291
Two-handed weapon. Really awkward to animate even for an experienced team. I'm not even gonna dogpile Saber for that, I can't think of any game or animated thing ever where a character is using a shield and a giant two handed weapon at the same time and it didn't look shit.

the Heroic fist weapon free gunstrike does not consistently proc against Chaos. about half the time it will not function and you'll get no gunstrike marker.

>>548399696
It's literally the same animations he has now except he has a shield on his fucking arm you dumb cocksucker

>>548399880
Anon, ponder for literally two seconds the amount of retarded clipping that would go on with the way your character swings around the Thunder Hammer and where his left arm continuously ends up. Do you not have braincells or functioning eyes?

siege mode is so comically bad for leveling but it's very funny the queue is filled with people who watched that idiot lying youtuber

>>548399880
>>548399291
actually retarded, don't enter an animation studio

>>548400152
>>548400037
Counterpoint: Who fucking cares

>>548399696
if a manager told you to animate a two handed weapon and a shield, he wouldn't care that it is awkward to animate even for an experienced team. Either you animate it, or get fired.
The actual reason is balancing.

>>548400062
>it's very funny the queue is filled with people who watched that idiot lying youtuber
elaborate?

>>548400862
>The actual reason is balancing.
Pretty weird headcanon when the literal fist of God and now the block power axe is in the Bulwark's arsenal.

>>548400772
Anybody with an adequate amount of taste cares. It would like pure amateur hour if every single time you swung the hammer, you bisected yourself with the shield. People wouldn't tolerate that in a fucking Skyrim mod, let alone a AAA video game.

>>548401006
If you had taste you wouldn't be playing this shit in the first place

>>548401074
Acting like the one part of this game not continuously praised by even the most assblasted whiners is the quality of the animations.

>>548401128
I've literally not seen a single fucking person ever since the game's release say a single thing about the game's animations

>>548401205
So this is your first time in this general, welcome newfaggot.

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>>548401205
We were all praising the chaos executions and the power axe executions when they dropped. Come on, either you're baiting or don't pay much attention.

>>548401679
and *WE* were *ALL* making fun of cloak clipping, missing hands and heads, and floating shields.

>>548402129
So we agree low quality stuff is bad? So why would you want extremely low quality thunder hammer + storm shield hyper mesh clipping? It'd look like when a table gets wedged into somebody in Gmod.

>>548401679
>we

>>548402635
bro if you don't like the animations and making space marine designs then i don't even know why you're here. the game is carried by its aesthetics.

>>548402318
>So we agree low quality stuff is bad?
no, I don't care about the thammer thing you're discussing. I'm merely making fun of you hypergeneralizing. And I was never praising chaos executions, the childish insistence on particle effects is the reason performance in sieges is so bad.

>>548403056
I don't really care beyond this point. It's clear you're just a faggot with no actual thought behind your critiques. You piss and shit and moan because it gives you dopamine, not to be constructive. Shan't be getting any more (you)s from me.

>>548399291
I came back to this post an hour later and you guys started shitflinging with each other, what the fuck happened

>>548403245
I accept your concession

>>548403245
>It's clear you're just a faggot with no actual thought behind your critiques
good, I'm just a passer by who wanted to let you know you're an idiot who thinks an aaa-slop advertising a toyline for mentally ill boys and 30-year-old men is some kind of sophisticated aesthetic work of art.

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>>548403410
apparently some people think it's acceptable to have really bogus animations that would collide like crazy between the hammer and shield, despite right now complaining about far less egregious animations that already exist. basically pic related.

>>548403750
All I asked was why the Bulwark didn't have his shield with Thammer, man

>>548403890
This general has a serious problem with a handful of autists who treat every rebuttal as a violent attack. They can't just say "I think this way."

Hell, a lot of people on 4chan in general can't interpolate you explaining someone else's mindset or idea without thinking you yourself hold that belief.

>>548403890
and he answered you incorrectly.

>>548379740
It doesn't sound like a techmarine tho, it sounds like an ultramarine repair man. Too much flesh. Remove his vocal chords and insert a Audio speaker
>>548403890
Besides obvious clipping issues, it also doesn't really make sense from a design and balance perspective. Bulwark is supposed to be prioritizing defense while two handed thunder Hammer prioritizing attack and damage. Putting them together would be beyond busted

>>548406007
>it sounds like an ultramarine repair man
Well... he is.

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>>548399291
Weird that they didn't add a 1H Thunderhammer for the Bulwark and Assault

The model (Bladeguard Veteran) itself doesn't even use that weapon, the 2H Thunderhammer should have been an Assault and Tactical exclusive

Bulwark gets the storm shield and 1H Thunderhammer.

>>548406007
most techmarines are drivers and repairmen.

>>548406007
>>548406238
>"Techmarine"
>Doesn't sound like he's forsaken his humanity to give himself fully to the machine
>Just sounds like a tactical marine who fixes rhinos as a hobby

Mars weeps. I'm not happy until he's speaking in binary with heavily robotic sounds

>>548406007
Techmarines don't go into battle personally unless necessary
IH grunts don't count
They operate tanks, gunships, aircraft, turrets, giant static guns or oversee servitors and techpriests in mass producing ammo and gear for their chapter

>>548406715
>Doesn't sound like he's forsaken his humanity to give himself fully to the machine
you might be thinking about iron hands. not everyone is like that.

>>548406141
The only reason 2H Thunderhammer was added to Bulwark's menu was because "they thought it was cool". Literally no other reason. Well, maybe another reason would've making new animation for 1H version so an already existing weapon was a path of least resistance.
Now, I wish the same mentality was there when people talked about giving Tactical a power sword. That would be very cool as well.

>>548406715
>Just sounds like a tactical marine who fixes rhinos as a hobby
bruh that's basically most techmarines
they find a neophyte who isn't that good in combat compared to his peers, not a psyker, not a space book enjoyer but is great with tinkering things
smart neophytes become apothecaries or ship commanders

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>>548406832
>Literally no other reason
yup, that's the only reason. No other reason at all. Nothing to see here. Please disperse.

Also Techmarines are considered nerds by fellow battle brothers and most chapters shun them or keep them in the hangar/motorpool. At best they're tolerated since Space Marines know they still need pilots, drivers, mechanics, greasemonkeys, quartermasters and at worst they are separated like losers in highschool.

The only chapters who welcome them are Salamanders (who are all blacksmiths) and Iron Hands plus successors. Iron Warriors had Warsmiths who all became Warpsmiths/Daemonsmiths.

>>548407309
I don't get what Saber's lament over Bulwark being a bitch healer is supposed to be in relation to giving him the Thunder Hammer. He still heals regardless of what weapon is equipped.

>>548407675
well, before the introduction of the thunder hammer nobody was using a bulwark as a damage dealing class, everyone was playing fencing. Only after block was reworked and thunderhammer added people started using non-healing builds.

>>548408204
Only idiots use Block on Bulwark

Even shieldrush negroes are on Fencing/Balanced

>>548408204
Thunder Hammer is the least picked weapon on Bulwark even when it was new and fresh. Losing the shield is simply too detrimental, and it was given to him long after block was buffed.

>>548408314
Block has no downsides on Bulwark because you can just enter shield stance and reset if you fuck up the timing.

>>548407634
They are not broadly shunned or mistreated, they are in fact jealously protected by their chapters because they're so valuable and hard to replace. A single one is worth probably ten or more regular battle-brothers. The only legion that has fluff about distrusting them is the Dark Angels, who keep them out of the Inner Circle so they can't squeal to Mars about The Fallen.

I just had a horrible vision of the future, a heroic plasma pistol that deals extra damage but has a percent chance to damage you from overheating.

>>548410226
They should do this with all weapons

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>>548410226
Heroic Las Fusil
no scope, aim disabled
does 200% damage on close range, regular damage beyond 10 meters
Faster firing rate, replenishes ammo if you kill an Extremis with it

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>>548367298
these dudes

I think the fall of atreus SUCKS

>>548413356
Every chaos mission has some gay unfun gimmick to it, it's why I don't even bother with them

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Suspicious Behavior should always be a modifier.

>>548412861
Get the instigator for the Vanguard since it's an easy upgrade to the regular versions
Power Fist I think is better for the Assault
Xenophase Blade is too slow for my tastes
If you're supremely sure about your ability to score headshots, the bolt sniper.

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>>548337394
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Are Iron Hands the only First Founding chapter to be completely overshadowed by its Successors?
Are there any more examples like that?

>>548414675
black templars completely mog the imperial fists, they may as well be the og ones (they are anyway if we consider the war of the beast).

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>>548414140
Thank you Brother Wall Anon.

>wait till I'm level 15 to do ruthless
>get paired with level 4,7,5 players
I feel like a retard for waiting

>>548414675
Literally nobody cares about anything related to the White Scars besides the Mantis Warriors. I've seen maybe three White Scars players over 25 years of playing Warhammer at locals. Genuine enigma of a Chapter, pure bigfoot sightings shit going on where cameras are getting whipped out when people see white-painted jetbikes.

>>548414675
Black Templars > Imperial Fists
Crimson Fists > Imperial Fists
Raptors > Raven Guard
Carcharodons > Raven Guard

Why do some marines have gay ponytails and shit on their helmets

>>548415367
I don't think you know what overshadowed means. People actually play Raven Guard.

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>>548415493
It's meant to evoke the image of the mongols.

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>>548414970
I recently started to get into Black Templars and they are really leaps and bounds beyond IFs. From their iconography to lore, they just seem better at selling medieval order of knights in far distant (and grim) future. Not to crap on the Founding Chapter, far from it, but I'm also of the opinion that BTs would've been cooler founding chapter.

>>548410226
Block multi-melta that can expend the adrenaline charges when it fires

>>548415367
Aren't Carcharodons Astra meant to be an Unknown Founding chapter? Was there some confirmation of them descending from RG?

if gays workshop had the chance to change up the loyalist side they'd remove white scars, raven guard, imperial fists, iron hands and replace them with black templars, blood ravens, raptors and carcharodons

>>548416073
Sometimes I forget black templars aren't first founding.

>>548410226
exploding plasma weapons have been retconned after introducing primaris.

>>548416254
they have a few mutations seen in ravenguard and they deal with some ravenguard renegades

>>548416073
A lot of super early Rogue Trader/30K into 40K is sadly, and very clearly, a bunch of Brits born in the 50s-60s hashing out ideas in the 1970-80s. The garish color schemes that have never been changed or adjusted are like genetic memory to me in that I understand why they were chosen.

The Crimson Fists' blue and red with black is like shit you'd see on the dilapidated streets of Blackpool while Saturday Night by Whigfield played in the background while some homeless drunk puked in front of the McDonalds on the pleasure beach. It just screams "billboard for tacky old family shop filled with cheap rock candy." I remember seeing this color scheme a lot when I was a kid, it was like some attempt to take the colors of the flag and be cool or cute with them. It never worked, it was still considered cheap-looking even back then.

>>548397810
If you were to actually look at their official heraldry, you would see that they use codex-compliant style of kneepad markings with squad and veterancy designations. Same goes for their official paint schemes for models.
Kneepad BT symbols are basically just outing you as a secondary who didn't bother to do even the bare minimum research into what you're painting yourself as. Like a simple "Black Templar Official Heraldry" google search would clear up all your questions.

Now I am not some kind of fashion police, I don't care, but I will tag you as a newfag secondary if I see you running those kneepads. Obviously you should feel free to disregard my opinion on that, but that's how it goes.

>>548416661
no, its just now you have the option to not fire high power shots that risk exploding, you can fire normally

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>>548417023
40k should always be quintessential british and I say it as one who dislikes anglos, it's when it worked best, also crimson fists are cool.

>>548417132
There's certainly enough official art doesn't use codex designations on the knees.

>>548415787
those look gay too

>>548390661
You can only carry so much until one of the 27 ravener grab attempts in the last minute finally land and delete 99% of your hp from full hp and armor before gaunts chip away the last 1%.

>>548416073
>>548414970
That is mostly because at one point they were first founding. They were the personal legion/chapter of John Blanche. A lot of the more well known secondaries were folded into successor status like Crimson Fists who were also first founding originally.

>>548397810
They have 'typical' chapter markings. An example is Assault having red shoulder trim, or Sword Brethren having red crosses/black background.

HOWEVER the unique structure as a crusading chapter that has 6-27000 marines in separate crusades, (This a rough estimate of the current crusades that are not officially over or resolved I have personally counted in recent codex's and other books), there is going to be variation. Ultimately As long as they are mostly black and have the hospitaller cross typically white and black in some fashion but gold and red are also used depending. Anyone who claims and INSISTS otherwise is just a cunt because ultimately they are *Your* dudes and you can paint/decorate them as you wish, within reason and just declare them apart of a lesser known or made up new crusade.

Don't get me wrong, as a 15 year BT player I have my own opinions on other peoples schemes - I rarely like their choices, but they are not my plastic. If you want them to look like BT just remember; Black with white shoulders and black cross, black trim if low rank, red trim if mid tier special and gold for marshalls/leaders. Cross variation based on role, rank.

>dude is clearly AFK
>start a votekick
>wow rude why are you doing this?

As someone who has had sex and therefore never touched a warhammer mini, how do I make an accurate Black Templar outside of what the premade gives me

Game is really hard bros, I can't handle it. I've played lvl 13 vanguard and died during 2 boss fight, feels bad man. Chaos mutants also rape me often.

>>548422825
Vanguard is pretty useless against Terminus enemies. Your job is to distract any majoris

>>548422825
Play on Average
Use Fencing melee weapons

Don't go higher until you're beating Average without even thinking about it.

>>548422692
Most of us are married and over 30. You must of meant MTG players...

What shitty update. The game is now unplayable. My FPS drops to ~10 when stuff spawns making attacks impossible to parry/dodge. Also the fucking parry/dodge indicator is broken again.

>>548422825
Post code

>>548423553
haven't seen that one in a while

>>548423015
>>548423020
>>548423553
Thanks guys, I definitely jumped over my head with difficulty. Purple upgrades were too enticing. I'll go take a refreshing nap and level some more tomorrow.

>>548422825
don't get discouraged, this game is mostly about learning timings and muscle memory. chaos mutants are shitty. many people flat out refuse to play chaos missions because they are unfun.

>>548424193
Good luck Brother!

>hardened skin
>split up
>corrosion
>empathy
wow this modifiers are so fun they make me want not to play at all!

>>548424460
>hating empathy
imagine being so autistic you detest the idea of shaking hands with other people in a video game.

>>548416073
The issue is that Imperial Fists have literally negative personality because all of it got shunted to successor chapters. They're the ultimate "graham crackers have too much flavor" chapter, as evidenced by their "+1 to bolters" bonus in the Horus Heresy ruleset

>>548426035
Its not an issue, they serve as a good contrast and representative of Dorn's sense of duty.

Dark Angels for example could easily be in the same position if the Deathwing and Ravenwing were split into their own successor chapters - which is pretty much what happened to the IF.

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>>548424713
retard

>>548377525
The bots are non-functional on cataclysm, even with mods.
t. 1k hours

>play with a vanguard meltanigger
>heroic sniper rifle automatically becomes useless
lel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34koSnTFY_E
>buff light attacks 200%
>suddenly they are usable
This should be how every melee weapons is at base. But these stupid fucking snowniggers don't play their own game to know this.

>>548426805
I know you are, but what am I?

>>548428278
No comrade, we need you to play the game in a changed style. Like the glowing success of the heroic chainsword.

>>548427994
Yeah I was gonna say, even on legendary they just spam their cd's and hold block...
Its just not an issue until cataclysm where shit gets hairy and you need someone controlling the horde while someone else concentrates on specials. Sure you can solo - until the director fucks you over with spawns.

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>>548406815
why not?
>>548406852
>they find a neophyte who isn't that good in combat compared to his peers, not a psyker, not a space book enjoyer but is great with tinkering things
smart neophytes become apothecaries or ship commanders

fuck that.
techmarines should be cold logical human supercomputers capable of killing shit, repairing shit, and bestowing the sacred privilege of servitorfication, not some neophyte who dropped out of space-medical school and changes oil to make ends meet.

observe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQ0_5ggQbg

>>548428908
The bots can make a usable wall against chaff but if you throw even one stormvermin in the mix all 3 will eat a single overhead and die. It really sucks.

>>548428501
Every time I think about balance in this game it makes my fucking blood boil. It is unfathomable to me how a race can be so vile and petty yet have so much pride in being so.

I tense up everytime an extremis spawns at the end of reclamation and laugh when it gets immediately killed by the explosion. thank you, Random Russian Coder, you nailed it.

>>548422825
You shouldn't be in Absolute at level 13 as a newfag. Even prestige grinders do one Ruthless/Lethal run to get the first row of perks before tackling Absolute. They made Absolute harder with guaranteed 2x Terminus spawns, more Extremis spawns and more Majoris waves (who will call on an Extremis wave in turn). Back then people simply grinded Decapitation because the Hive Tyrant was an easy boss and the map itself was short and straighforward and it didn't spawn an extra Terminus.

Stick to prescribed levels then stay on Ruthless until you've properly grasped the game's mechanics. Once you learn how the different maps work and work on your parry you can try Lethal.

Once you hit level 25 the first time go prestige mode immediately, the best perks are usually obvious but it wouldn't hurt to ask here, Steam forums or even plebbit.

Your first gold/Relic gun, pistol and melee weapon > maxing out prestige leveling > learning how classes work > learning how to parry (literally 50% of the game) > tackling Absolute

I spend more time in loading screens than I do playing the actual game

>>548415359
>No bikes
>"WTF? Why is nobody playing white scars the goto bikes chapter?"
>No techmarine and very little dreadnought
>"WTF? Why is nobody playing Iron hands the goto techmarine and dreadnought chapter?"

maybe if we had more options in loadouts instead of different colors of ultramarine, you would see more chapters played more.

>>548432391
Explain the lack of Salamanders then? They have their fire and melta, they have the torches now on all classes. Yet the most common chapter I see is Blood Angels since the patch dropped.

>>548415359
That is primarily due to painting white. Anyone gets into the hobby and goes "I like the White Scars" they are immediately warned away by people bitching about white pigment. The lack of lore and major events to promote them are entirely due to the lack of people buying the upgrades and characters and books due to not collecting them BECAUSE of the colour white.

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>>548426035
Then you grow out of your late-teens early-20s and realize that the Fists are actually cooler than the Black Templars
Growing out of the Black Templars is like when the history kid grows out of Sabaton and realizes there’s more to history than just battles and war

>>548415367
>Raptors > Raven Guard
>Carcharodons > Raven Guard
I'm just happen Raven Guard got nice model for their new chapter master, and my boy Shrike can finally step down.
I fear what they'll do with Corvus tho.

>>548416254
They are Raven Guard, but since they have to barter for everything they have out in the fringes of space, it's been speculated that some other geneseed has worked its way into their lineage.

When Corax was reunited with his legion, he hated many of its original members from Terra, who were murderous psychotic slavers as far as he was concerned. He intentionally ordered many to their deaths in fruitless assaults so he could restock the legion with his own preferred recruits. The rest, he exiled on a permanent campaign to the outer edge of the galaxy. The Heresy happened, Corax disappeared, and everybody forgot about that Raven Guard crusade, which was termed a Nomad Predation Fleet (sounds familiar). "Shade Lord", which is Tyberos' title, is an old Raven Guard rank, and their mutations are the same as the RG: pale skin, black eyes, incredibly emo, and quiet. Recent books heavily imply that the Carcharodons were originally the RG's 11th chapter called the Pale Nomads (coincidentally, also a nickname for the Carchardons' current Chief Librarian).

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>join an in-progress op as a bulwark
>one guy has a mortal wound
>I steal an execution causing the second guy to die too
>we get to the loading screen room, we're close together, they both have medkits
>put up a (heal) banner
>they stare at me
and that will be the last absolute attempt for today

when blood ravens pack

>>548435182
DoW4 release tie in

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>>548428278
this is my set up with it, also using balanced chainsword and balanced axe. its a pretty fun change from block.

>>548416254
They are OG Terran born Raven Guard who came from an extremely brutal tribe the Emprah spared.

Their brutality was too much for their Primarch so he sort of exiled them to the void to hunt the Imperium's enemies.

>>548435393
I'm retarded and just realized you don't actually get all the perks you unlock.

post yfw it's a hardened skin stratagem

>>548435393
>Blood Ravens
>red jetpack
>teeth knee pauldrons
No, just no

WWZ has 10 prestige levels per class, how do you feel about the same happening here in SM2?

>>548435023
>I fear what they'll do with Corvus tho.
Remember the rule anon:
>Good primarchs always die during the heresy
>Ok primarchs disappear and are never heard from again.
>Shit primarchs come into 40k to shit up the setting with their bad ideas and poopy pants.

No exceptions

>>548435860
I don't think saber knows how to up the difficulty to account for five more prestige perks

>>548435860
prestige is a stupid mechanic in every game

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>>548435996
correct.

>>548433773
Black Templars fucking suck and even within the lore, other Imperium forces hate their guts and stay away from them. Other Space Marines can barely do joint deployments with them because BTs start fights on their own side so often. Planetary governors don't call for their assistance if they can help it, because the BTs will probably exterminatus their planet. The High Lords keep them away from strategically important assets and causes, fearing their zealous idiocy will do more harm than good. At least they are like real-life crusaders in that sense, who also couldn't ever cohere into an effective military.

It's also fitting that they are, without fail, the most incompetent SM2 players.

>>548435996
I'm in disagreement with this proposition.

>>548436990
>At least they are like real-life crusaders in that sense
in the lore is there a "venetian" element that directs them and profits off the black templars?

>>548436990
>It's also fitting that they are, without fail, the most incompetent SM2 players.
but that would be Imperial Fists.

qrd on the bulwark moveset? can you parry with the shield? are the shield bash and charged attacks worth using over your melee weapon attacks?

>>548438869
>can you parry with the shield?
Tap the the parry button to parry, holding it will bring up the shield
>are the shield bash and charge attacks worth using over melee weapon attacks
If you take Concussive Force and learn how to shield cancel. Shield Rush can definitely close the gap between a ranged enemy shooting at you and it still count as blocking. Plus you cancel the charged shield bash with shield canceling as well.

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>>548352507
Based on BOREALUM

>>548433773
If I'm going to pull myself up by the bootstraps, I'd prefer to interact with Ultramarine media over Imperial Fists. Besides, I find the average Black Templar fan insufferable and they've soured me on the chapter

>using heroic weapon perks with any other weapon
will this break the game? I just want the 3 burst fire...

>>548435996
But the best Primarch, who built the longest lasting, most stable, and most livable sector of Imperiap Space came back first?
Proves your entire thesis wrong.
Ferrus sucked.

>>548436990
>because the BTs will probably exterminatus their planet.

You need to actually open a fucking codex and/or read a novel. Stop getting info from meme 'lore' videos. I have heard bricky say exactly what you just typed, and he was, as well you are wrong, and full of shit. The same fucking retard that thought the black rage and red thirst were interchangeable - in his lore video, about the Astarte's legions.

Black Templars are routinely sought for aid especially in void combat where they are famous and very highly regarded. Helbrecht was and is considered one of, if not the finest naval commander in the Imperium before Guilliman was revived.
I bet you think they hate ALL psykers too.

As far as being bad players in SM2, they are only up there in terms of being bad due to popularity - however I have seen just as many salamanders being shit cunts and what ever other fotm due to dlc release was common. The ONLY dlc release I never saw any retards playing, were Raven Guard.

If there is a constant of bad players, its homebrew or unrecognisable-at-a-glance obscure chapters, closely followed by Ultramarines who clearly just started playing.

it doesn't get mocked enough because there are worst perks, but Tactical's contested health perk really is one of the single most useless things in the entire game. Utterly unforgivable to take that over the grenade perk, it's grounds for a kick if it's actually hard content.

>>548433773
Nope. Knight Hospitallers scheme > Banana Boys.

>>548440561
>wot if we just used the crusader cross symbol straight from the encyclopedia.
that's some 10/10 creativity right there

>>548441079
I don't like them because I think they are creative. I like them because I like the aesthetic of the Hospitaller and Teutonic Knights. You sound like the kind of faggot that thinks picking an anthro race in a fantasy game makes you interesting. Go suck cock somewhere else.

>>548441079
wait till you learn about iron hands

>>548441491
>unprompted, starts talking about cocksucking and furry/anthro shit
Your average BT fan, everybody.

>>548441079
I agree with you that this is just an easy to copy concept, but damn it works. I mean in 40k setting it's cool that you have an "order" of knights that somewhat reflect their historical inspiration. And, more subjectively I suppose, their appearance is easy on the eyes.

>>548440212
>But the best Primarch, who built the longest lasting, most stable, and most livable sector of Imperiap Space came back first?

Guilliman is worst primarch. He's boring, for being such a great statesmen he doesn't really know how to plan or shut his mouth. Most of the skills he has were handed to him for no effort of his own. On top of that he has no personality. Lorgar is a better human being.

Ferrus is the perfect primarch. He literally does nothing wrong. Just like Sanguineous.

Played through the main campaign at launch and haven't touched the game since. Kinda getting back into it.
Is there like a compilation of guides and resources about tech and gameplay optimization lying around somewhere?

Guilliman should excommunicate all the chapters that worship the Emperor and do enforced genocidal re-education of the Imperial Truth. Would make for a good storyline.

>>548441843
Average tourist faggot. Talks absolute bullshit, makes wild claims, projects then stand back and demands civility.

Fuck off, NIGGER.

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>>548441917
I’d hate to have to write this post again, so I’ll just repost it. Great men are measured by their deeds and the works they leave behind. Bobby G built the most stable, longest-lasting, utopian realm in the Imperium. There’s consistently no better or more beautiful place to live in 40K than Ultramar. Guilliman’s works stand as proof of his greatness. Ferrus’ only legacy is a legion that 12 people like and his head in the dirt.

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>>548444178
I agree with you on principle, but:
>Ferrus’ only legacy is a legion that 12 people
Let's not turn your post into fiction there, Brother.

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>>548444178
ur gay

Is the heroic chainsword as broken as people were saying it was on the PTS?

>>548445137
Do you think he has gaydar along with his heretic detector?

>>548445179
its usable but block is still better

Girlyman was at least somewhat interesting when he had elf gf

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>>548445647
Here lies Girlyman.
The only Primarch that ever scored.

>>548445394
Dark Angels are so homo because Lion is so hardcore anti-gay and the inner circle weeds out fags like picking tall people out of a crowd.
The more you oppress the gays the worse it gets

>>548444494
If GW ever has the balls to give the core legions a visual overhaul, Iron Hands need to go to the top of the list. They share the exact same color scheme as the Raven Guard and a dozen other chapters. Without a ton of mechanical limbs and extra kit-bashed accessories, it's difficulty to even tell what they are at a glance.

Iron Hands, White Scars, and other unpopular chapters are in a trap. They don't get purchased because they don't get any support from the developer, and the developer doesn't support them because they don't get purchased enough. Cyborg space marines should be a no-brainer but they fucked it up somehow.