>>550353334
Caledon... Home...

>>550353495
Steamy and suggestive

>>550353334
Soulless location of a flopped game

>>550355325
you seethe, chlorefag

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>>550355876
Anon you are recycling screens from the previous thread that by now are just five people who made them months ago

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>>550356046
uncanny valley chlorine is pure vomit

>>550356147
fuck off DEfag

>>550356382
>DEfag
Obsessed

Tourists from reddit go home. Go and play mobile games. More your speed

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>>550358290
They have been contained in the past thread, shouldn't be a problem anymore

>>550358290
>Tourists
prefer them over schizo shippers

>>550359619
That's some dogshit take

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>Never believe that the anti Chloe trolls are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge.
>But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Chloe have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors.
>They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

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>Be Deck Nine
>Get a contract with Square Enix to make LiS games
>Make Before the Storm, a prequel centered around the popular character of Chloe Price and her relationship with Rachel Amber as told by the first game
>It respect Chloe's character, with even a bonus DLC episode with her and Max as kids
>Successful enough to grant them other works and grow as a company
>Make Double Exposure, a sequel long requested by Square to cash on Max's nostalgia
>Shat on Chloe's character development and her bond with Max, trying to replace her with D9's shallow OCs
>It bombs so badly it starts a domino effect leading to D9's downfall as a gaming company
>still contractually obligated to push out a DE2 despite crunch, lack of manpower, constant layoffs and the looming shutdown of the company

>>550355738
holy yuckola

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>>550361607

Do the DEfags can't do nothing but reuse the same pics every time?

>>550364070
>DEfags
Obsessed

>>550365178
>Especially because they had to consider all three scenarios in which they had to justify Chloe's absence
All of this could have been fixed if they just made the two timelines set following the two endings, rather than a character nobody cares about in Safi. Max lesson is less about her powers and more about the consequences of it, she has to just live without trying to cheat an easy way out and thats the whole point of the original game. It's a metaphor to Max's getting out of her shell and surpassing her insecurities.

And Chloe wouldn't broke with Max through a stupid out of character letter, she's basically the type of person that wouldn't stop caring for a person once she get close to them, otherwise she would have just gave up to searching what happened to Rachel Amber like anyone else did.

>>550362245
i think i can puke

>>550366195
Spitting truth, anon. But metaphors are hard for the Reddit tourists to grasp. They take everything literally, so the story never goes deeper for them. That’s why they don’t mind Double Exposure.

>>550368915
Says the retard who can barely understand other people’s posts

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>>550368915
Them overly focusing on the mechanics of how quantum decoherence worked on to justify DE's plot proves exactly why it failed as a Life is Strange game.

Those type of stories were never meant to be high concept kind of stuff, they always worked the best because the supernatural stuff was yes in the background but it had no definitive answer and the way it worked was implied but never truly explore further ahead. Butterfly Theory, chaos, the storm... it was all in conjuction with a more mundane, character driven story focused on the struggles of people that felt real and deal with real issues, like bullying, harassment, suicide, discrimination... all in front facing. I shouldn't need to know some physic theory to care about the story of the first Life is Strange, the truth it never truly was the focal point but a means to an end. Its why the first game remains so compelling and why the general opinion is that the sequels failed to recapture that magic.

>>550368915
>>550369767
The inferiority complex and simple minds of pricefielders never cease to amaze. Geez-o!

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I'll throw a bone towards LiS2 and I'd say I always respected DontNod to have chosen to not repeat themselves and actually tried new characters and themes, just wished they did not go so much in flipping over with elements that felt like a deliberate opposition to the first game. Road trip story was also a bit of a false step, as it kinda goes over their obvious strenght to build interesting side characters. I loved Lyla and Cassidy, but the story they were built in just did not give them time to shiny and it felt way too much like they took too much time on the moral choice babysitting aspect towards Daniel. There was some interview with Michel around ep 4 in which they actually admitted they kinda rushed out with the themes of the whole episode, and it does show IMO.

A lot of LiS2 single episodic material would actually work really well for a whole new game, like Captain Spirit, they needed better focus on their strenght before getting too experimental.

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>>550370014
>Geez-o!

The redditors are still going on in the last thread, I thought there was some character limits of sort by that point. Uh

>>550370235
One of the best things about 2 is the road trip. They turned the theme of the first on its head and has the player reacting to the environment instead of the inverse; people, places, things and all that. People don't seem to get that and it's a shame.

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>>550358060
>hot asian turbo milf
>I would still pick her over any of those lame D9 bitches
Wouldn't be that hardline, but yeah, she's still one of my favorites

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What do y'all think to this theory?

>>550372829
I just don't care about Izzie, but it wouldn't be surprising if it was the case, before DE bombed they clearly were fully intentional in getting rid of Chloe for good from the main series. Now? Those two books are probably going to be read by like five people, their existance is fully dependant on the reality in which DE became a massive hit

>>550372717
Don't put Lyla with generic love interest n.203424 and generic_npc_female03

>>550373323
Trouble reading characters

>>550373694
Riley suffers from D9s syndrome of making bland side characters apart from her Mac debable she becomes progressively sidelined as the story goes on within TC, and Amanda is essentially built to be le perfect love interest that can't do wrong, making her even more bland and unremarkable aside from being physically attractive.

>>550372829
Discussed a bit a while ago and it's nothing but conjecture currently.

>>550374003
She helps the gang retrieve vital information for them, pertaining to her skills and traits and is involved in probably one of the maturest side plots in any of the LiS games. I hardly call that being sidelined just because she's not on screen all the time.

>>550373102
>the fact that Max turned back time and killed Safi?
Absolutely ridicolous plot motivation, considering how much of the marketing was spent on the idea the killer was an unknow person in both timelines on the loose.
>That Safi is the one who impersonates people and that they don't have a doppelganger?
Having a super power doesn't make a character interesting
>That the "ghost" people that they see are their past selves and that if they touch themselves they disappear?
Completely irrelevant to the main plot and rushed out of the door with no hard stakes
>And that it only happens at the overlook and that that's all caused by Max killing Safi?
Again, absolutely contrieved and stupid. Why would Max even kill Safi, D9 precious Chloe replacement?
>You don't understand that after you expose Lucas and he tells Safi that her mom is behind it, Safi loses control and her powers grow and expand and that when you turn back time and you choose not to kill her, you "enter the storm" which means you enter a time paradox where Safi takes control of everyone because she's hurting?
>That you can snap a picture and remove her because you reveal the fact that she's in there?
Bad fanfiction tier writing for those powers, and contrived bullshit as well
>That when you remove her out of everyone you exit the paradox and calm her down the storm is gone and you "travel forward in time" because this time you get to go back to the present because you didn't change history?
Retarded, why the hell a simple shapeshifter can cause a storm is absolutely peak hack writing from the D9 writers. By this logic both Alex Chen and Daniel should have generate their own storm. Not to mention it devalues the meaning of the Storm in the original game too.
cont.

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>>550374003
>she becomes progressively sidelined
unforch

>to be le perfect love interest
not perfect, just to match Max. weird that you confuse the two, and second, it's intentional, so I don't see the issue

>>550374485
>the maturest side plots in any of the LiS games
Its not really, I think the true mature bits are in LIS2 with the Captain Spirit part and Sean meetin his mother, lets not elevate TC to higher standards it never got.

>>550372829
I just don't see it being the case. It would be too dumb

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>>550374757

>You don't *need* to research it. It just makes more sense to you if you do. It adds context, like you said. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. You guys are stupid as hell
Anon, you are one thick headed motherfucker who take any contrieved bullshit as the golden standard for writing. All the plot you pointed out only show how DE is a golden case of the writers sniffing their own farts and making something very convoluted that seems out of a last season Riverdale episode than Life is Strange

pic related

>>550374983
Low standards

>>550375149
>I just don't see it being the case. It would be too dumb
Anon, DE has shown that nothing is too dumb for the London execs. Bare to mind they truly believe DE would have been a massive success, that's why they already prepared a guide to Caledon book even when TC and LiS2 never received a similar treatment apart for a couple of comic books

>>550375046
It's on the same level imo, a hard decision that ends pyrrhic depending on how you view it/how it plays out.

>>550375309
>last season Riverdale
i don't stuff myself with masscult garbage, normie

>>550375724
>they truly believe DE would have been a massive success
don't exaggerate, only one person actually believed that. or was just trying to convince others

>>550372829
Why would they just randomly add her to the book? And why wouldn’t they have mentioned it before then?

>>550376179
>only one person actually believed that. or was just trying to convince others
Maybe it was more than one person inside the London studios, but it still doesn't change the fact someone between D9 and SE Europe clearly expected the game to sell very well due to Max being back. And I do agree a lot of other people inside seem to knew it wouldn't have done well.

>>550376590
There's a precendent, They never told anyone that TC post comic Forget-Me-Not was set in another alternate Amberprice timeline, that Steph trauma was switched to LiS1's Kate suicide and that Rachel and Chloe made a cameo in the first issue prior to relase, but happened.

Nothing is off the charts at this point

>>550376590
I wouldn’t put it past Deck Nine, especially if the book is meant to act as a bridge between DE and DE2. DE already makes it pretty clear through Crosstalk that Chloe’s working as some kind of band manager, so it doesn’t feel implausible. If she’s featured on the cover, it would make sense to keep that under wraps, and if the game is due to release next year.

>>550375149
>It would be too dumb
just watch

priceshitters don't deserve SHIT. they are CANCER

>>550374757
>Absolutely ridicolous plot motivation, considering how much of the marketing was spent on the idea the killer was an unknow person in both timelines on the loose.
You just don't know how plot twists work do you? They have to lead you off the track
>Having a super power doesn't make a character interesting
That's not what they said??
>Again, absolutely contrieved and stupid. Why would Max even kill Safi
Pfff because she's a danger to the people who she took control over and instead of trying to solve it max kills her?
>Bad fanfiction tier writing for those powers
Huh? Max can jump into polaroid pics but that makes sooo much sense
>Retarded, why the hell a simple shapeshifter can cause a storm
She's not a shapeshifter at all, she can control people's minds so why wouldn't she be able to create a storm?

>>550382051
afraid so

>>550384608
D9 really fucked up by not having a storm in True Colors.

>>550384608
>You just don't know how plot twists work do you? They have to lead you off the track
Plot twist do not make a good story, and if the story is already build on shaky foundations you won't have a satisfying pay off for the twist.

>Max can jump into polaroid pics but that makes sooo much sense
Max using time powers to go back in time tied to past polaroid photos in which she's, as photography is her main passion and thematically relevant make sense. Safi being just a shapeshifer and suddently possessing? Or infecting other people bodies ad well as causing a storm makes zero sense and its terribly handled.

>She's not a shapeshifter at all, she can control people's minds so why wouldn't she be able to create a storm?
Guess at this point her powers are whatever the story needs them to be even when she could be just a simple shapeshifter and thats it

>>550386057
They weren't recycling the first game hard enough lol

>>550386057
I actually don't think that Alex should have caused a storm since all she does is good and she tries to fix situations. Her power is quite harmless if you think about it. It can only harm her but she's not the type to hold a grudge. I don't see Alex causing a storm ever.

>>550386180
>as photography is her main passion and thematically relevant make sense
So she can teleport back in time using a polaroid pic but she can't use her camera to reveal that Safi is possessing people in order to remove her?
>Guess at this point her powers are whatever the story needs them to be even when she could be just a simple shapeshifter and thats it
But she doesn't shapeshift at all bro. She just manipulates how people see her by controlling their mind. Her power is mind control. Say you didn't understand what happens without saying you didn't understand what happens

>>550386428
She can steal people's emotions, which is at least as invasive as Safi projecting images in people's minds.

>>550386428
Her power wasn't at cataclysmic levels which I assume is the reason no storm was formed and she wasn't doing anything that destroyed the natural order of things imo, not that taking away emotions is unnatural but maybe she didn't do it enough times. It could always evolve though, a life-drain power of sorts. Daniel was reaching dangerous levels and it's a miracle no storm was formed. Maybe he has to kill someone knowingly for it to appear idk.

>>550387770
Hmm yeah but Alex has so far taken the emotions of a single person at a time and they all dissipated. It's not as invasive as Safi controlling the minds of so many people at once and hurting them.
But maybe you're right, if she tried to steal a lot of people's emotions at once she could probably make a storm happen idk

>>550387940
>maybe she didn't do it enough times
I'm thinking more like, it would have to happen with multiple people at once because if she takes one person's emotions and they go away, no harm has been done. It would have to affect her a lot and exhaust her power I imagine

>>550388572
Probably, yeah. There could've been potential with her doing just that if they made a scene with the town staging a protest against the mining company and the rage from all of them just overwhelmed her.

>>550388265
That make no sense and trying to make it into a cohesive logic only show how DE ultimately devalued the meaning of the original game.

The storm was a specific thematoc nd story element build for the first game and that alone, it was tied to the general narrative and powers to Max's story. Daniel and Alex never had a storm because it didn't made sense nor it was necessary to.

>>550389097
Low effort garbage, it would have made obvious for many people how poorly written and unoriginal TC was.

>>550387940
Again, you are trying to make sense of something that was added by D9 with very little sense and made likely to give an easy solution to LiS1 story, when in pratice is a lame ass reuse. Trying to retroactively justify it only makes it more convoluted and stupid, so just accept the bad writing

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>>550389318
Hey I'm not saying it should be a thing and I don't want it to be. I'm saying it could and I just speculated on how it could happen if it had. What's the harm? Chill, don't get all butthurt.
I also fail to see how a storm would make the story unoriginal. It would just become a common theme. And common themes aren't bad

>>550387212
>So she can teleport back in time using a polaroid pic but she can't use her camera to reveal that Safi is possessing people in order to remove her?
I said that whole sequence was fanfic tier writing for a reason, it was convoluted bullshit, rather than a consistent element, and is another sign of how the writers thought that making more complex powers was the key to LiS. It is just not.

>She just manipulates how people see her by controlling their mind. Her power is mind control. Say you didn't understand what happens without saying you didn't understand what happens
Game does kind of a terrible job in doing so, because if she manipulate minds to shapeshift, how come there's a video of her as Gwen taped by a camera?

>>550389889
You are doing it again, you are lowering your standards to the point every single poisoned last turd will look like sweet chocolate. The reason why they brought back the storm is because D9 writing team and SE were creatively bankrupt and did not had a coherent plan on how to handle past stuff. Retreading the storm again but for such bullshit reasons is lazy storytelling and devalues the original game meaning

>>550390016
Hmm?? She manipulates the way people see her when she transforms. In the actual video she is herself. But when the information reaches people's brains, they see what she wants them to see. Mind control dude. She's more powerful than you think

>>550390016
>>550390787
Also remember, Max literally tells you, the player, that Safi's powers affect objects as well.

>>550390787
>ut when the information reaches people's brains, they see what she wants them to see. Mind control dude.
That's just poor writing then, the camera should just take pictures of her normal self
>>550391170
Again, throwaway line made to justify how Safi's power acts as whatever the writers want it to be rather than to be consistent. And beside, that was made to justify her hiding a gun while shapeshifted, not a literal camera taking video footage

So, today's discussion, just like yesterday's, fell back into the same formula - the side that's got nothing substantial, once it runs into stuff either too hard for their brain or explained by the other side in a way that breaks their core narrative, instantly collapses into mumbling about 'bad writing'. Glad the other side doesn't even bother reacting, just keeps flexing intellectual dominance

>>550397778
>just keeps flexing intellectual dominance
by defending a shitty corporate sequel with poorly thought sequence of actions, convoluted storytelling and logical idiocies? Not surprising DEfags are a minority that larps at a hidden majority kek

>Max literally tells you, the player, that Safi's powers affect objects as well.
When she does that is because Safi is hiding a gun while shapeshifted. It doesn't justify why a camera shouldn't be able to tape her true self if her power is just personal mind control to larp as other people. I wouldn't be surprised if by the next game they throw away all the rules they made, I doubt the D9 team did think of it that deep

Isn't weird how DE fans have to resort to 4chan to get some supposed easy wins? They even admitted their theories are not getting larger attention, and they even get angry when they get contrary answers. Or how they explain the game, and it shows how stupid and fanfiction lite the whole plot is

>>550399061
>Not surprising DEfags are a minority that larps at a hidden majority kek
Nah, retard, you’re alone here. The last two days showed it to everyone.

>>550397778
Well it's apparently not even over and they keep embarrassing themselves

>>550399636
The fact that I have to keep correcting you because you're so fucking wrong is ridiculous and hilarious at the same time. No, it's not about the gun. Go check for yourself. If you save the flashdrive and give it to Gwen, and choose specific dialogue options, she'll fight the board and stay at Caledon. And Max will say that Safi's powers imprint themselves on objects. So yes, it is about the camera. Kindly, shut up already. I'm embarrassed FOR you. You keep trying to convince me that I don't know my shit when I do.
I'm not correcting you to defend D9, I'm correcting you because you're sooooo fucking wrong but claim you know everything

>>550404126
Good job, surely will convince people to like the game now because of one single scene about a character many people do not know

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>>550404126
>If you save the flashdrive and give it to Gwen, and choose specific dialogue options, she'll fight the board and stay at Caledon. And Max will say that Safi's powers imprint themselves on objects.
Yup

DEfags are doing everything in their power to beat a dead horse. Just give up, you are defending a game that:

>flopped miserably over a 30 million dollar budget
>got their entire writing team laid off
>likely killed D9 as a studio going foward
>maybe even contributed to London getting axed by the japanese side
>have DE2 being a contractual obligation made by a team with no direction, crunched under the likelyhood of being fired soon
>it will be probably be another flop too

You have lost, your game is now the black sheep of the franchise and it should be remembered as such. Stop fighting, rest a little bit, there's no need to keep trying defeding such failure

>>550404723
There's a literal polaroid of Safi shifting as Max as a collectible in the game, if anything the effect should be even more obvious as she's captured by a camera. Bit of an inconsistence

Let's have some good content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs3iAWgql9Q

>>550401049
Isn't weird how DE fans have to resort to 4chan to get some supposed easy wins
So you admit you're stupid and I'm winning the argument that I never even wanted to have right? Thanks. Appreciate it.
>They even admitted their theories are not getting larger attention
A theory not getting larger larger attention doesn't make it wrong sooo ... Thanks again?
>and they even get angry when they get contrary answers
I get angry when you're fucking wrong and give fake "facts" as true and claim you're right when you're not. Kindly sit down.
>Or how they explain the game, and it shows how stupid and fanfiction lite the whole plot is
Mmm maybe it is. Tastes are subjective. But maybeee just maybee ~ you're too dumb to understand it. Or you hang onto LIS1 like your life depends on it because... you get validation from pricefied-ers? And you're a bully and get off on this?? You don't even bother to understand what happens in DE. Otherwise why do you keep coming up with arguments that are not fucking true??
You're not even coming up with weird theories that make no sense, you just have your facts completely wrong and all I do is sit and laugh at how wrong you are. You're acting ridiculous! Are you hanging onto your last thread? What's happening up there? You look desperate

>>550405103
>DEfags
Obsessed

>>550405486
Funniest part is, none of these theories started here. They've all been chewed over on reddit, I've seen vids on toutube, even on fucking tumblr

>>550405486
>A theory not getting larger larger attention doesn't make it wrong
When you ignore the other conditions like the layoffs, multiple rewrites, inconsistencies and lack of originality in DE, your theory ends up being built on faulty ground

>Mmm maybe it is. Tastes are subjective...
Why should we bother with a game that places itself as a sequel but it has never been made or planned by the original creators, who had terrible reviews and word of mouth and flopped badly, who's basically being softly swifted under the rug by SE and the only reason DE2 exist is because of some pre relase contracts with D9? There's no reason to engage further, the game is done, it fucked over the franchise until the TV comes out and soft reboot the series, which will be another can of worm

>>550404529
I don't wanna convince anyone to like it??? Who the hell cares?? I just care about you insulting me, my IQ, my comprehension skills, and saying this and that makes no sense because *insert fake information that you got from ... somewhere because you clearly didn't even try to understand what happens in DE before shitting on it with so much confidence*
YOU don't have your facts right. Get them right before calling ME stupid because you have embarrassed yourselves beyond limits today, in my eyes at least, trying to shit on my OWN opinion that I'm allowed to have!

>>550406197
Why are you engaging here? Why are you eager to defend such a complete failure of a game? DE won't stand the test of time, it will always be remembered as the time SE tried to make their own soft reboot of the series with a mediocre story, in the long run you only devalued the IP brand further ahead

>>550406313
>Why are you engaging here? Why are you eager to defend such a complete failure of a game?
See, here we gk again >>550397778

>>550406624
That still doesn't change reality - DE is a failure on both metrics, and DE2 will likely have a bad reception as well as financial sales again. Its not going to receive the same reconsideration as LiS2 did, because its a game that has not care to explore anything that wasn't already done better in the first Life is Strange, a bland regurgitation made by greed and corporate interference. People who try to defend DE and ignore the red flags behind the scenes are a reason why we got stoked for mediocrity going on

>>550406969
Jesus, you don't even realize what's wrong with you or why you're doomed to lose debates forever

>>550406163
>When you ignore the other conditions like the layoffs, multiple rewrites, inconsistencies and lack of originality in DE, your theory ends up being built on faulty ground
And yet, it still makes so much sense to me. You know what that means? That they didn't fuck it up as much as you claim, despite all that. because if they had, not even the few people who get it would be able to.

>Why should we bother with a game that places itself as a sequel but it has never been made or planned by the original creators
Oh sorryyy let's never bother with remakes of anything or continuations of anything then when they're not planned by the original creator. Wtf are you talking about? Even if DN had made this game, their writing team could have changed in the 10 years it took for this game to release. You're being fucking ridiculous with those claims.
>who had terrible reviews and word of mouth and flopped badly,
Because y'all cried too loudly about Chloe's absence, yeah. You were too butthurt that the pixels you wanted on screen weren't there. Had you shut your mouths it would have done better. People didn't buy it as much as expected because they kept seeing low reviews and we know where these are coming from. And I'm talking MASS reviews.
THAT'S why SE is pushing it under the rug. You're too butthurt over pixels.
>There's no reason to engage further, the game is done
Then you do what you want and let me do what I want?? Why are you trying to get ME to hate DE because you do? I'm allowed to like it. If you don't wanna care about DE because it's "recycled slop that's not made by the original creators" then why are you fighting with me about it? Ignore it. You clearly care more about it than I do since you come up with fake stuff to disprove me. And you're failing miserably. Let me like what I like. It's INSANE what nerve you have

>>550407302
Anon, ight not know all the facts, but know many franchises that have been killed for much less of a flop . We have to consider whats going to happen in the future, DE was SE London hail mary to turn LiS into the future superhero franchise with Max at the front, and crashed down. Post DE2, and SE London closure as well as D9 if they don't return back to their original works as mobile phone games developer, I do not see the higher ups in japan demand for more games with a new studio. Maybe the live action ends up being a unexpected success, but that's still too early to see.

>>550408152
That's all fine and I'd be down to talk about it too, but what the hell does it have to do with DE's plot twists we were discussing? Do bad sales cause in-game storm? Or does Max get nosebleeds from Kiryu's headaches? Jesus...

>>550406313
>Why are you eager to defend such a complete failure of a game?
Because it failed but it's not bad. And I don't understand what you don't undertsnd. I'm defending myself here. Because I say that I understand the plot and people say "no you don't, you're stupid" and insult me left and right.
>DE won't stand the test of time
How loud do I have to say this?? Do you need glasses? Would caps work? I DON'T CARE IF THE GAME FLOPS! I don't care that it's "done" or that it's "slop" in anybody's opinion. I liked it And I understand the plot! So don't fucking insult me and say that I'm wrong when you don't have your facts right because I'll correct you every single fucking time I have to

>>550407894
>Oh sorryyy let's never bother with remakes of anything or continuations of anything then when they're not planned by the original creator
It's a fair argument, do you want series to turn in the same low effort slop we god with the likes of Call of Duty, or do you want proper new games? The anthology setting was the right thing to pursue, SE should have know better than to bring back Max and rewrite the game multiple times to their stupid requests and focus groups based approach.

>Had you shut your mouths it would have done better. People didn't buy it as much as expected because they kept seeing low reviews and we know where these are coming from. And I'm talking MASS reviews.
>THAT'S why SE is pushing it under the rug. You're too butthurt over pixels.
That's sweet, boo hoo le evil pfs told people Chloe wasn't there and not because it was generally bad, with a poorly written story that rehashes story beats from the original game, mediocre characters, lack of meanigful choices and a inconsistent yet expensive marketing campaign. But sure, we were all too butthurt over pixels. It's weird how pricefielders in the previous thread were made as like a fringe group that do not represent at focus groups, and here you are saying we actually made DE flop. Which is which?

>Then you do what you want and let me do what I want?? Why are you trying to get ME to hate DE because you do? I'm allowed to like it. If you don't wanna care about DE because it's "recycled slop that's not made by the original creators" then why are you fighting with me about it? Ignore it. You clearly care more about it than I do since you come up with fake stuff to disprove me. And you're failing miserably. Let me like what I like. It's INSANE what nerve you have
And yet you keep making answers, you are still stuck here throwing a tantrum like a baby, writing like your average, self important redditor. If you were truly smart, you would have gave up by last thread and just left.

>>550409079
>t's not bad.
mediocre is a better word desu
> I DON'T CARE IF THE GAME FLOPS! I don't care that it's "done" or that it's "slop" in anybody's opinion.
are you sure you are in your mid twenties?
>I liked it And I understand the plot! So don't fucking insult me and say that I'm wrong when you don't have your facts right because I'll correct you every single fucking time I have to
anon, if the story can't explain itself and requires your own research on quantum decoherence, then it's a poor story

>>550409294
>you are still stuck here throwing a tantrum
>every time you screech like a bitch, blame someone else
anon, reread your own posts

>>550409623
>didn't get the story with my 14yo brain, therefore story is poor
keep embarrassing yourself

>>550406969
Again, as loud as I can:
I DON'T FUCKING CARE about statistics! That doesn't make it a bad game. All the people who didn't understand the plot made it seem like one which made it tank. Articles with wrong information, youtube videos with more wrong information, reviews that shit on the game. And people like you who try to convince other people SO desperately that the game is bad using WRONG information. YOU ALL made this game into a failure because you got butthurt, I don't know what's not clicking? You're indirectly bragging about tanking the game! You're so... ugh
Why do statistics matter when it comes to enjoying a game??? Do you enjoy games based on how much other people enjoy them? Can you not think for yourself? Do you even hear yourself and how ridiculous you sound bringing up statistics over and over and over again that YOU contribute to? All of you on this thread that shit on the game everywhere you can?? You're extremely immature and and jobless. Get a grip because your brains have not matured yet and it fucking SHOWS

>>550404723
If Safi can "imprint on objects," could that actually explain the LiS2 photo? And why Max conveniently can’t remember the fight with Chloe? That always reeked of lazy writing. Or D9 simply didn’t care. Same as the Polaroids that led nowhere.

>>550410184
>I DON'T FUCKING CARE about statistics! That doesn't make it a bad game. All the people who didn't understand the plot made it seem like one which made it tank. Articles with wrong information, youtube videos with more wrong information, reviews that shit on the game. And people like you who try to convince other people SO desperately that the game is bad using WRONG information. YOU ALL made this game into a failure because you got butthurt, I don't know what's not clicking? You're indirectly bragging about tanking the game!
On those past threads I have been told numerous times that Pricefielders were a fringe group, the were not representative of the people that bought DE, that we had no real powers other than throwing hissy fits, which I can accept... yet you are here repeating the idea that we did, in fact, matter, that we did not just made rumors for nothing and we got the game bombed because of it. If anything, this proves we either are not that small of a percentage that do not matter, or the game truly was bad and failed to capture an audience. Maybe it was a mixture of both, so at this point I'll repeat to you again: which is which?

>>550410184
The irony is that some of the loudest pricefielders and DE haters on Reddit are chilling with me in the Mass Effect Andromeda sub, and neither the bad sales, the dumpster‑fire rep of a game that almost killed the franchise, nor half the fandom refusing to call it canon bothers them one bit

>>550409294
>It's a fair argument
???? DE is not low effort be serious. They've put SO much work into that game
>boo hoo le evil pfs told people Chloe wasn't there
Yes. Yes they did
>But sure, we were all too butthurt over pixels
Yes you were. You just didn't explicitly say it in the actual review. You kept it for threads like this one where you try to shit on DE with facts you just cant seem to get right.
>And yet you keep making answers
Because you're commenting on it. You keep attacking me for having a fucking opinion. Ignore me if you're so bothered. Because you have no real argument as to why DE is bad. You have to bring up statistics as if they preove anything. Every one of your arguments is just plain wrong
> you are still stuck here throwing a tantrum like a baby
You are doing that though, looking all ridiculous and wrong too

>>550410798
Bioware is probably fucked by the time they do end up finishing the next ME game, the stories I've read about their development on Anthem and Veilguard are quite something else, sucks because I was always curious to try the Mass Effect first trilogy to see what the fuss was about

>>550410683
>could that actually explain the LiS2 photo
It's not explained in the game, and from what the devs said I figured it's intentional
>That always reeked of lazy writing. Or D9 simply didn’t care.
Yeah, always easier to chalk it up to lazy writing
>Same as the Polaroids that led nowhere.
They weren't supposed to lead anywhere, they were meant to show something. People already tried explaining it to you, but you threw another tantrum, as I recall

>>550411526
Different user I think. I'm not that anon

>anon, if the story can't explain itself and requires your own research on quantum decoherence, then it's a poor story
It's not and you still can't understand the plot with your adult brain. Embarrassing .Go cry harder

>>550411145
>They've put SO much work into that game
They surely did in the motion capture animation department, no doubt about it but they did not in other details. My original point was how if you want to make a sequel about the original game while the original writers say in interviews that Max story is over and they need to focus on new characters going foward, you'll making something akin to a LorT sequel post Return of the King. You are setting yoursefl to a higher degree of work, and if you fail you'll get crucified for it, simple at.

>Yes you were. You just didn't explicitly say it in the actual review.
Anon, please

>Ignore me if you're so bothered
You aren't a 4chan regular, innit? If you were intelligent as you claim to be, you would not be replying to my responses, even falling down to write in all caps like you pretending to shout

>Because you're commenting on it. You keep attacking me for having a fucking opinion
Thick skin anon, you lack it and its shows.

>>550410683
>And why Max conveniently can’t remember the fight with Chloe? That always reeked of lazy writing
Let me tell you about this real life thing that happens that you've apparently never heard of before: sometimes, when people face serious, hard, depressing situations and are severely affected by trauma, they forget bad situations from their past. Because it's too traumatic and the brain has a defense mechanism that makes you forget.
So no, unfortunately for you, that's not lazy writing either. You're just uninformed.
>If Safi can "imprint on objects," could that actually explain the LiS2 photo
What does Safi's power have to do with the LIS2 photo?
>Same as the Polaroids that led nowhere
As they're supposed to. Your point?

>>550411526
>what the devs said I figured it's intentional
And do you believe them?

>They weren't supposed to lead anywhere, they were meant to show something.
Kinda did a terrible job in doing that

>>550412760
Trauma can also be used as an excuse to justify lazy writing, given how inconsistent DE is with how it handles it.

>>550412601
>My original point was how if you want to make a sequel about the original game while the original writers say in interviews that Max story is over and they need to focus on new characters going foward
They own rights to the story and they can do whatever they want they want. The original writers no longer have a say. That's how it works, in case you didn't know.
They can make a remake, change the story of the first game completely, or make 10 other games with Max as protagonist if they want. Max's story belongs to the studio, not the writers. Not the old ones, not the new ones. I'm not defending the choice, they could have used a completely new protagonist too, but what they did isn't wrong.
>You aren't a 4chan regular, innit?
No I'm not, but you guys are the ones who lack intelligence, not me, if I have to write in caps to make you understand that you're making a useless point. I don't care about fucking statistics when it comes to playing a game. I played DE and if DE2 gets released I'll play that too and we'll see if I like that one when the time comes. I won't hate on it beforehand because that's what you guys want.

>>550412601
>Thick skin anon, you lack it and its shows
says the whining bitch

>>550414530
>They own rights to the story and they can do whatever they want they want. The original writers no longer have a say. That's how it works, in case you didn't know.
that doesn't make it good anon, do you want the studio to keep pumping out DE tier slops and flop each worse than the last one turning the series into mush?

>but what they did isn't wrong
Because you have low standards and will not care for consistency between one devs to another, as you have shown before.

>I played DE and if DE2 gets released I'll play that too and we'll see if I like that one when the time comes.
Good piggy, give money to Square Japan who is now responsable for the series direction after they are firing up all the London SE folks, and after all D9 devs are gone too, with the next step being all replaced by AI. Thankfully, us Pricefielders, both weak and strong at the same time, will make sure it will be anothe big flop, rest assured of that

>>550413004
>Trauma can also be used as an excuse to justify lazy writing, given how inconsistent DE is with how it handles it.
I don't even understand what you're trying to say. DE is inconsistent with how it handles trauma? Fucking where? Max forgetting the fight emphasizes how traumatic it was for her. It's everything BUT lazy. It's actually a good detail to put in there.
She writes to Chloe in her journal throughout the series and we see her remembering past moments involving Chloe all throughout. She can't let go of her. You know what that is? Trauma.
She splits her reality into two because losing Safi is traumatic. Especially because she kills her herself. And because she wants so badly to find her again and fix it, she rips the veil between the two realities.
And when she discovers that she's the one who kills Safi, she fights hard to save her. Again, wanna guess why? She doesn't wanna face that same trauma again. At the end, we see max letting go a bit. She says she might stop avoiding Chloe at some point. That means she's ready to get over her trauma because she got out of this situation a bigger person than she was before.
And Safi's Trauma is handled well too:
She's haunted by her past actions and she wants justice because she can't get over what happened to Maya. And when she finds out that her mom was behind it all along, it's a traumatic event for her and she loses control and she goes bonkers.
DE in it's entirety is Safi and Max dealing with their trauma and fighting to solve the situation they're in to let all that go. And despite your claims, it's not inconsistent or lazy.

>>550415670
>Pricefielders, both weak and strong at the same time, will make sure it will be anothe big flop, rest assured of that
LMAO, clown, you won’t do anything. You’re too few in number to have any real effect. The last game didn’t flop because of you, and the next one’s sales won’t be touched by you either.

>>550415670
that doesn't make it good anon, do you want the studio to keep pumping out DE tier slops and flop each worse than the last one turning the series into mush?
Do you not remember what you wrote previously? You said that your point was that they released DE when the original writers said the story is over. I said that the story does not belong to them and D9 can do what they want with it. And you're saying "do you want the studio to keep pumping out DE tier slops and flop each worse than the last one" ??? You lack reading comprehension badly! I don't want them to release games that flop. But they can if they want to! That's all I was saying. I wasn't saying that them doing whatever they want makes the game good.
>Because you have low standards and will not care for consistency between one devs to another, as you have shown before.
There literally is consistency though.
>give money to Square Japan who is now responsable for the series direction after they are firing up all the London SE folks
You know that you buying DE2 will pay the people who worked on the game too right? Not everything goes to the the Japan studio. But honestly, why do you care what I do with my money? Don't buy it if you don't want to. But stop policing what I do

>>550406197
FYI. The people who shit on DE the loudest generally never even played it and just watched a Lets Play. They pre-decided to hate it when it was confirmed Chloe wasn't in it. They didn't experience any of the plot-twists organically as they spoiled themselves in advance. And they never want to hear how/if the story made some kind of sense because they never tried to engage with the story in any authentic way. Anytime they're cornered they'll say 'it doesn't matter because all the writers were fired'. The loudest person is usually Mazzu who recycles all the same arguments and catch-phrases endlessly.

>>550420970
That DE fans really believe this is just sad.

>>550427756
Sadly, it’s true. Go on Reddit or Twitter, pick any loud pricefield apologist (not just the one anon mentioned), and you’ll see the same behavior pattern every single time.

>>550420970
>Mazzu who recycles all the same arguments and catch-phrases endlessly
Massive self‑importance, low IQ, and ESL on top. What else did you expect from him?

>>550416450
These points have been made since the game's launch and the schizos deliberately feign ignorance or are too retarded to understand. Pick whatever fits best.

>>550416450
>She writes to Chloe in her journal throughout the series and we see her remembering past moments involving Chloe all throughout. She can't let go of her. You know what that is? Trauma.
>She splits her reality into two because
None of those moments are original scenes but it always LiS1 moments, but you never see like a new dialogue that isn't post LiS1 related, because they likely intended Chloe to be dead as DE was a only post Bay ending follow up

>She splits her reality into two because losing Safi is traumatic. Especially because she kills her herself.

Again, this is so poorly thought out in many ways, why the hell Max splits realities when her power is only time rewind? Why she even get to kill Safi? Because of some past temporal loophole? Its convoluted and an attempt by D9 to make her super duper important to Max, even if she's barely as strong of a presence as Chloe was. Not to mention, its another sign of how D9 is unoriginal and cant do nothing but reuse plot points from the original game
>And because she wants so badly to find her again and fix it, she rips the veil between the two realities.
But why she's so important? Max only knew her for a few months, and by using her power again she's going in without any consideration that they might cause another storm. This is even more true for Bay, in which she accepts Chloe death and in Bae when she rips the polaroid. I'll give you the point that in Bay Max dont show if she'll never user her power again, but Bae is quite on the nose in her tearing the photo as a way to not repeat the past or cheat with her powers anymore. So, the tie with Safi is because D9 thought they had written gold with her character and believe they could replace Chloe easily without puttin the effort to make both scenarios congruent. Thats why the trauma in DE feel the same even if Max by the two endings should go into completely separate ways

>>550427756
They have no any other way to justify otherwise, they have to make Pricefielders power strong enough to sunk down DE in sales yet weak and inept at the same time who have little imput on the series.

>And Safi's Trauma is handled well too:
>She's haunted by her past actions and she wants justice because she can't get over what happened to Maya.
Why should we care about Maya when she's presented as a footnote into the story, on top of almost feeling like a bootleg Rachel Amber in the same way she was done in LiS1. At least Rachel felt like she had multiple sides and was a tragic figure, Maya seems like its there because they needed to make obvious how Safis a Chloe replacement. The game is deeply creatively bankrupt to rehash samey storylines who were done better before.
And Safi goes from that to be absolutely insane at the end with the god speech to the point I just cant really take her story seriously. Its all worthless.

>it's a traumatic event for her and she loses control and she goes bonkers.
I don't remember Alex Chen or Daniel Diaz spawn a storm without any foreshadowing out of thin air when they were freaking out, more like its another hack writers moment and D9 being unoriginal and inconsistent with entries beforehand, which is something they already were in Before the Storm.

>DE in it's entirety is Safi and Max dealing with their trauma and fighting to solve the situation they're in to let all that go
Max alrady had done her character arc in the original game, and based on the two endings she would have went in two separate directions, and DE is a deeply unecessary story that adds nothing of substance to that. And if wanted to have Safi be explored, just make an anthology game with her as protagonist and try to write it better, because you won't make a beloved character if her story role is to repeat beats of Chloe's original arc in LiS1 but worse and the addition of powers.

>>550417541
>Do you not remember what you wrote previously? You said that your point was that they released DE when the original writers said the story is over.
What I said doesn't contradict my belief that SE would go and relase games with lower and lowe storytelling and gameplay standards using D9 as their workforce, before DE turned out a failure. Maybe you are the one who lack reading consistency, after all

>I said that the story does not belong to them and D9 can do what they want with it.
Square Enix hold the story rights and that doesn't justify what they do with the series. D9 is a contractor, and one who acted into be assertive to SE's will even when could have contracted themselves better, like maybe not making two games at the same time if one turned out to not be a success.

>You know that you buying DE2 will pay the people who worked on the game too right? Not everything goes to the the Japan studio
Those people have been paid already, and they are being laid off or have already been once they finish each task. D9 is going down, so by the point the game will be out there's not going to be anyone who will receive any royalties from the game sales. Your money will go directly into SE, if you can believe it, and you will support them outsourcing future jobs to AI slops. But go ahead, I'm sure a ChatGPT written script of Max and Safi kissing each other is all you need to call the next game a hidden gem

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>>550416463
>LMAO, clown, you won’t do anything. You’re too few in number to have any real effect. The last game didn’t flop because of you, and the next one’s sales won’t be touched by you either.

>Had you shut your mouths it would have done better. People didn't buy it as much as expected because they kept seeing low reviews and we know where these are coming from. And I'm talking MASS reviews.
>Articles with wrong information, youtube videos with more wrong information, reviews that shit on the game. And people like you who try to convince other people SO desperately that the game is bad using WRONG information.
>YOU ALL made this game into a failure because you got butthurt
>you're indirectly bragging about tanking the game!

duality of man kek

>>550446350
>None of those moments are original scenes but it always LiS1 moments
Irrelevant. Them not being new scenes does not disprove my point. Try again
>because they likely intended Chloe to be dead as DE was a only post Bay ending follow up

As she should be if you have morals. Why destroy a whole town for one single girl?
DE's whole plot is about morals. And here it is summed up to you so your tiny brain can understand:
Is it morally correct to destroy a whole town? To steal a student's work? To cover it up? To turn into other people and mess with their lives?
To date someone in another timeline because they rejected you in the original one? Or to kiss your dead friend's ex-situationship? Or to manipulate someone to the point she goes crazy?
Or to shoot one's own motheraccidentally and not care about her when she's bleeding when she covered up the murder to save the university's reputation?
DE is challenging everyone's morals! It punishes all the characters who did something wrong and rewards those who have been done wrong(Gwen gets her job back if you make the morally correct choices). And it punishes the player's lack of morals too. For example, If you romance other Amanda, original Amanda gets upset and rejects you. Safi calls you out if you kiss Vinh
So yes, if you made the immoral choice to save Chloe, you get punished too. It only makes sense. But I guess not to your tiny brains?
>why the hell Max splits realities when her power is only time rewind?
Because her powers evolve. Just like the powers of all the other LIS characters?
> Why she even get to kill Safi?
She's hurting everyone on campus and she's not even herself anymore. She's all the people she took over and risks to destroy the whole town
>But why she's so important?
Because she is? They click instantly, what's wrong with that? How is this an argument you consider valid?
> she's going in without any consideration that they might cause another storm
This time she's in control and she feels it

>>550428868
You’d need an extremely selective bias to think that’s the case. I do see that some fans of Double Exposure have decided to believe it, but the criticism is coming from everywhere and about almost everything. It’s impossible to miss. You’d have to be willfully blind to think otherwise.

>>550450551
>DE is challenging everyone's morals!
Holy cope of an excuse, the original game was never about morality in the same way DE believe to be. You are fine with Chloe character assasination because deep down you believe in LiS1 to be a story about morality and bad and good, when it was never the goal. The ending is the one the player consider right for them rather than a steeping morality choice, that was all on D9's hack writing.

>So yes, if you made the immoral choice to save Chloe, you get punished too.
With Chloe being bastardized as a character even when Dontnod said multiple times that if you choose to save Chloe, you are doing it to keep the relationship and even with hardship they would still remain together?

>Because her powers evolve. Just like the powers of all the other LIS characters?
Poor justification, if you want her power to evolve the next reasonable step would have been to have time stop and better rewinding, not dimension shifting. Why would her power change so suddently even? Daniel did not develop water bending because he was getting stronger, and Alex's power improved at what she started already. You can't defend this point with such a superficial outlook like this one.

>To date someone in another timeline because they rejected you in the original one? Or to kiss your dead friend's ex-situationship?
That's not what a grown up Max would do if she was coherent with her Dontnod self.

>This time she's in control and she feels it
That's not a logical justification for the story, she says so but she act recklessly like none of that what happened in LIS1 mattered.

>Because she is? They click instantly, what's wrong with that?
That's not a justification. Max and Chloe had a strong foundation that made the most sense when Max wanted to save her and rebuild a relationship together, as well as hanging out for most of the game. It felt natural and organic, unlike Safi who just "clicks"

>>550450472
Like it or dislike it, Pricefield is obviously a huge part of the fandom. It has a lot of creative fans who make art, write stories, and keep the series alive. Which is great for attracting new people and selling games. Actively antagonizing that part of the fanbase was an incredibly bad idea. From a business perspective, it just doesn’t make sense.

But then again, both Deck Nine and Square Enix have a long history of making questionable decisions.

>>550447949
>What I said doesn't contradict my belief that SE would go and relase games with lower and lowe storytelling
No you really lack reading comprehension because what I said is that I don't want them to but they can if they want to. But DE is not bad as you claim. And who the hell cares? Believe what you want and don't buy the game if you don't like it. You still have the first game to enjoy, you can pretend like DE is an alternate reality that never happened. Why are you here with your panties in a bunch?
>Maybe you are the one who lack reading consistency, after all
It's not even reading consistency, you idiot, it's comprehension. Reading consistency is when you read often. But you do lack reading consistency too since, had you not, you'd understand what I'm saying
>Square Enix hold the story rights and that doesn't justify what they do with the series.
Yes it literally does, it's now theirs. They literally can do what they want. If they wanna destroy the story entirely, they can and you and the original writers have no say. All you can do is make noise. But ultimately, if they wanna release slop even through all the noise, they can. DO I want them to? No. But they still *can*
> I'm sure a ChatGPT written script of Max and Safi kissing each other is all you need to call the next game a hidden gem
You might be right about them being paid already, but you still lack reading comprehension. I don't need Safi and Max to kiss for it to be a good game, they don't kiss in the first one either and I still find it good. I'm good with Amanda, Vinh, or nobody at all as well. I don't even care if she ends up single for life. The romance elements don't make DE good, they're just a nice bonus. And they'd be just that in DE2 as well. DE2 will be good if it's good and bad if it's bad. And I'll decide for myself which one it is, thank you very much. Why are you so bitter that I like this game? It's so funny

I really wonder how bad the sales numbers for the next game will be. Lost Records seems to be selling slowly but steadily, and that’s without heavy discounts, unlike Double Exposure. If this continues, it wouldn’t be surprising if Lost Records ends up outselling Double Exposure in a few years. Positive word of mouth really does go a long way.

>>550451610
They were hoping for a new fan base. For some reason.

>>550451602
>the original game was never about morality in the same way DE believe to be
Embarrassing! Yes it is! What do you mean? It's obvious that at that point max makes the most immoral choices, since had it been me, it would have never gotten that far in the first place. Chloe would have been gone long ago. The final choice questions YOUR morals. It's the same old Trolley Problem. Or if you've been living under a rock, the "would you have the trolley kill one person to save five or kill five to save one" problem. It leaves such a mark *because* you have to make such an important decision and it tells you something about yourself and *your* morals not Max's. And if you choose the immoral option in LIS1, DE basically punishes you for it. And it makes sense.
>Dontnod said multiple times that if you choose to save Chloe, you are doing it to keep the relationship and even with hardship they would still remain together?
They said that to not make people feel bad about their own choices because they'd basically insult their fanbase directly if they said "yeah, that's the wrong choice and you have no morals"
How does them never breaking up even make sense? Especially with Chloe and Max's polar opposite personnalities.Trauma bonding only takes you so far
>That's not what a grown up Max would do if she was coherent with her Dontnod self.
You're so dumb she doesn't kiss Amanda by herself. It's your choice. Your morals. If you, reject other Amanda the game rewards you for it because at the end she says I'm glad we remained friends" and it's a good ending for these two. What are you on about?
>That's not a justification
No it's not a justification, it's a fact. They click. Do you not have friends? Have you never gotten super close to someone in just three months? Max does not make a conscious decision to split the two realities. It comes out of pain and grief and regret. She can't use her powers to keep Safi in her life because she's known her for only three months?

The fact that I have to keep correcting you because all you do is provide wrong information as facts...
This is so embarrassing for you istg
Just admit you know nothing about this game and shit on it because you're bitter. AND you have no morals, because otherwise you wouldn't hang onto Chloe like your life depends on it when she's clearly meant to die. And LIS1 tells you that loud and clear, but lets you keep her if you so desperately want to and subtly calls you immoral for it

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>>550454417
Fun, isn't it? If you can tank this for long enough, wait until the new books are released next year. More fun to be had.

OH also, you wanna know how LIS1 tells you directly that that is the wrong choice and you've made Max behave immorally and out of character?
When they leave the town, Max and Chloe have the *nerve* to smile at each other.
Max would never do that. She turned back time to stop people from being splashed or hit. She'd be absolutely fucking devastated if she killed an entire town. She'd bawl her eyes out while leaving. I was LIVID when I saw them smiling. I understand Chloe wanting to see Arcadia Bay destroyed and not caring, but not Max. Never. And that's how the writers subtly tell you you're wrong
You keep talking about a letter being out of character, but you don't realize that by keeping Chloe you make Max behave even *more* out of character in you main fucking game that you claim as gospel

>>550455197
Oh I'm sure they'll go nuts if this is how they behave a fucking year after DE got released
They had a year to get their facts right and they still waste their time with false claims when they could go outside and touch grass and chill the fuck out

>>550455367
That's how they've been behaving since Before The Storm and LiS 2 and the comics and True Colors. People having different opinions and being able to back them up is a very alien idea to these guys lmao.

>>550454417
Go back to redit Quis. You really are retarded, and your arguments keep on getting worse and worse.

>>550455579
Only a very simple mind would think this is backing up their arguments.

>>550455579
They really think everyone is as stupid as they are lmaoo
I've yet to encounter someone here that has a clear, well-articulated, and at least half-valid point as to why DE is sooo bad because so far I haven't seen a single one. All I see is "but-but-but- it's bad because *insert false information* "
and when I prove they're wrong they go silent about it and pick on something else by providing even more false information. Hilarious

>>550453102
I also think the new project Dontnod is doing for Netflix could help a lot. It will probably bring many new fans into their orbit. They really struck gold with that deal, and good for them. They make good games, they’ve just always been bad at marketing.

>>550456665
LR needed more time in the oven, the concept was good. But they really needed more of it. But they basically ran out of money.

>>550453102
>Lost Records seems to be selling slowly but steadily
Lol,
LMAO even

>>550456098
Low‑effort rhetoric, basically a concession

>>550455758
>no they don't get worse, you just pick on something you have no idea about so you wouldn't know if I'm wrong or right. I don't see you fact-checking me with real stuff that happens in the game that proves it's bad. Every reply that has the potential to be a good counter-argument provides false information about the plot and I can't take it seriously

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Honestly it was the first Life is Strange

>>550451610
All that fanart means jack shit. There just aren’t enough Pricefielders to move the numbers.

>>550453656
Were they supposed to hope for something else? That a fanbase drained over 10 years would still pull decent sales?

>>550456405
Them's the breaks. There's more to it though, since they never played the game and just watched it and picked opinions from other people that possibly didn't understand as well, there's really nothing concrete in what they're saying. They even trust the word of this youtuber called Adnan, who shills his videos here, who doesn't get the game itself and just parrot his opinions. Also "leaks" from an "insider" on reddit that they take as gospel. Which you can consider the basis of every argument they have on DE. Imagine a whole year of that and just talking about corporate drama, and accusing people of liking corpo slop which every game in the series is, and celebrating people losing their jobs and nothing else lmao. Also as an aside, my favorite talking point of theirs that gets brought up is whenever Twin Peaks or any other media the original LiS developers ripped off is brought up, the open to interpretation line loves to be tossed around yet as you can see, there's not much of that going around. The irony is hysterical.

>>550457094
>The day your life took the wrong turn

>>550457094
Nothing yet and hopefully never

>>550457473
I absolutely noticed all that and I've been hit with all of it it in the past two days. I'm just so baffled at how they keep being wrong over and over and yet they're still not embarrassed and continue to provide fake information as facts hoping they'll be right next time and they'll make me go "oh that makes so much sense, I don't know shit" when they're the ones not knowing their shit XD

>>550457369
I know that when you’re the local internet retard with a high-school education, a lot of concepts are difficult. When a ten-year-old game gets a sequel, the primary customer base is the people who bought the first game. You want to bring as many of them back as possible, especially when the original sold millions of copies. This is basic business.

Plenty of series do this: they rely on their existing fanbase for free promotion, which is one of the most effective marketing tools there is. Actively antagonizing that fanbase is simply bad business sense. Negative publicity affects sales.

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when will these two motherfuckers work together again? I mean, on a brand new IP, since LiS name has long been irreparably damaged

>>550457928
One of the funniest things they do is deflect and go "Why should we care?", "Then why," "Why? How? What? When? Who?", "It doesn't matter" etc. you explain it but nothing ever sticks. The insularity of it all is pitiful.

>>550458939
Life is Strange is dead, and everyone knows it. The brand damage was fatal, and there’s no real way back from that. If they end up making a Stranger Things game, maybe she could get a role there. She is really talented.

>>550456405
I haven't seem many effort to debunk this fake information, because all you did is show how just convoluted and out of touch the plot of DE is. If you need to know quantum physics to have part of a story in a Life is Strange game to make sense, then the story is not that solid to begin with

>>550456815
If they do a Stranger Things game next, I hope its an original story in the universe rather than bringing in the show characters, maybe even a prequel or a side piece that can be experienced without furter knowledge of yh4 show. Or if its not, it will be intersting to know what they are going to do it, and if Netflix may ask them to make a sequel with the main show characters

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>>550453102
That's quite nice, even if it underperformed at least that game and Jusant are slowly getting the recognition they deserve. But I'm not sure if it will be enough going foward

>>550453846
>since had it been me, it would have never gotten that far in the first place.
Ah now it explains everything, you are projecting yourself into the narrative of LIS1 without understanding it and you prefer DE because it fits a lot more with your internal pre-conceptions than to just accept the ideas behind the first game

>And if you choose the immoral option in LIS1, DE basically punishes you for it
This was all on D9 hack writing, the original developer never intended to "punish" the player, but to respect their action and time. If you want to lose Chloe, you choose Bay, if you don't you choose Bae and you accept those endings are not a choice between morality and immorality. Bay ending Arcadia Bay is still going to be a rotten place in which the Prescott will still rule and gentrify while local jobs dry up, with even Joyce leaving at a point, so not really a good ending for that place.
The trolley dilemma is a simplification of LiS1, but the whole point is that no ending is a bad ending, they are both with pros and cons, it was never meant to be an obvious good and bad ending scenario.

>she doesn't kiss Amanda by herself. It's your choice. Your morals.
Yet the game really wants you to pursue a relationship with her at the start before even knowing her. It's lame and poor narrative design and makes her feel like her only role is being the romance role, which she kinda is.

>They said that to not make people feel bad about their own choices because they'd basically insult their fanbase directly if they said "yeah, that's the wrong choice and you have no morals"
Holy projection on your side. Just say this is what you feel about LiS1 rather than to give words they never said in their mouth.

>>550472002
>Yet the game really wants you to pursue a relationship with her at the start before even knowing her. It's lame and poor narrative design and makes her feel like her only role is being the romance role, which she kinda is.
Christ... anon spent half the previous thread breaking down the intent, and you're still parroting nonsense. Brick‑wall tier stupid

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>>550455579
>Before The Storm and LiS 2 and the comics and True Colors.
Narrativation is an hell of a drug. Before the Strom had a mixed reception because of lot of canon and timeline inconsistencies, like for example Rachel's dad being a DA yet not caring for his own daughter when she goes missing and only Chloe bothering to look for her around and the third episode was ass, with Farewell being a saving grace.
Comics started nice
LiS2 was hated because of the politics, long ass waits and the raise your brother mechanic but it only aged better as it just became more and more relevant to current day scenarios.
And TC was liked a lot, many PFs were also Alex and Steph shippers with pic related. All of those games and comics had different reasons to be criticized, but you are pretending like there was constant hatred towards them and not different gradients to what happened

>>550465768
>I haven't seem many effort to debunk this fake information, because all you did is show how just convoluted and out of touch the plot of DE is
I've called out every single wrong piece of information I've been served and I've given arguments as to why it's wrong. You can go fact-check me on every single one
And I keep seeing you say that the DE plot is convoluted. It's literally not. It's very straight-forward and the game tells you and shows you everything that happens. The only thing it doesn't explain clearly is how Max's powers work, but you can learn how they work when you apply the double slit experiment. But that alone does not make the game bad. Other than that, it's so fucking obvious what happens. It just shows how you have no comprehension skills and lack the ability to analyze and question what could be happening after you've finished the game. You just go "what was that? Idk so it's bad. Period" You need the timeline of events to be linear and you need everything spelled out in order to make sense of it. You have no ability to read into things and you don't go back to piece everything together. That's small brain behavior
>If you need to know quantum physics to have part of a story in a Life is Strange game to make sense, then the story is not that solid to begin with
Every time someone says this, it shows me just how much they hate to learn new things. You just prove time and time again that you don't want to learn anything from your media, you only wanna see things your brain can already understand. That's very mediocre of you
So to answer once again, yes, it only makes sense to need to know literally the most basic thing about quantum physics laws to make sense of some of it when Max's power works based on those laws. You don't need to go deep and learn a whole fucking book. It's basic stuff. Other powers aren't based on irl physics laws, but hers is so why wouldn't you need (or want) to know how it works in order to explain some if it?

>>550473356
Thanks for proving my point? I really don't get you guys.

>>550457473
>. Also "leaks" from an "insider" on reddit that they take as gospel
Because that insider is a former D9 devs and what she said lines up with how the game operates

>accusing people of liking corpo slop which every game in the series is
Lowering every game in the series to be corpo slop, when DE itself fit more the definition of slop made by a big corpo to make quick bucks over the iconic first game that is beloved by lots of people is a choice

>my favorite talking point of theirs that gets brought up is whenever Twin Peaks or any other media the original LiS developers ripped off is brought up...
Your argument stands no legs because by that all big successful games are a rip off of media TV and cinema stuff. But that's more than that, LiS was a combination of the atmosphere from Twin Peaks, The Butterfly Effect, Donnie Darko and X-Files americana with the narrative interaction from the Walking Dead games into a single unique narrative with some very standout characters like Chloe and Max, all packaged into a single, unique narrative videogame experience that brought them up to be played while also feeling new and unique at the time.
Will you consider Star Wars, the Lucas movies, to be a rip off of Flash Gordon serials, Kurosawa, Kubrik's 2001 and western action movies with a sprinkle of WW2? Of course not, same for Life is Strange. That's why is a poor argument to make.

>>550473689
>ou need the timeline of events to be linear and you need everything spelled out in order to make sense of it.
And the story still feels demented and fanfiction tier.

>You just prove time and time again that you don't want to learn anything from your media, you only wanna see things your brain can already understand. That's very mediocre of you
Said the one who's defending a shitty made game who's ripping off plot points from the original Life is Strange and trying to be a sequel that was never intended nor it lived to the standards set up by the previous developer.

>So to answer once again, yes, it only makes sense to need to know literally the most basic thing about quantum physics laws to make sense of some of it when Max's power works based on those laws.
It stills don't justify why she changed from rewind to dimesion switching, and its very mediocre of you to just accept it without questioning what was going further behind the scenes.

>>550474220
Star Wars is literally that so thanks for proving my point.

>>550455209
This read like another anon is trying to mock the reddit DEfender

Also, from Max's LIS1 diary she writes a quote about how bullshit it was for an old Star Trek episode for Kirk to choose to sacrifice his woman to save the world. Her choosing Bae is completely in character.

>>550475043
>DEfender
Obsessed

>>550474568
If you are a mediocre person who can't recognize creative imputs, sure thing.

One thing is when a creator make something that is inspired by the media they grew up and remix elements of it to create something completely unique and original that can stand up on its own, this is the first LiS. The other is by reusing only the first game but never possessing a true creative vision behind it, you get DE, a rehashed soup of things you already saw in the series and mediocre ideas that makes it shallow compared to its predecessor.

>>550474552
>a shitty made game who's ripping off plot points from the original Life is Strange
Meanwhile you admit you can't understand half the game

>>550472002
>you are projecting yourself into the narrative of LIS1 without understanding it
How is that the conclusion you got from what I said? All I said was that Max's choices are questionable to me. You forget that I saved Chloe for her!!! I ignored my own morals for a character I care about! As I said before, the Bae ending is my one and only ending, but not because I love Chloe so much. It was for Max. It was what I felt she would have done because she does not think of giving up on her for one single second. If she didn't wanna give her a peaceful death on a bed, she wouldn't want her to die in pain on a bathroom floor either.
>the original developer never intended to "punish" the player
It doesn't have to because the game ends before it can. But Max gets punished by her actions though. She can't move on. She still lives in the past and still suffers because of what she's done.
>and you accept those endings are not a choice between morality and immorality
They literally are wtf do you mean? It literally puts you, the player, in a moral dilemma. You mean you don't contemplate for a second? Save a whole town and kill the girl you love, or save the girl and take the lives of so many people? Because destroying a whole town for one person is immoral. If you want, it compares to a foreigner getting killed by someone in another country and this country declaring war and destroying an entire city for one single person. Is that morally correct?
>Yet the game really wants you to pursue a relationship with her at the start
No? No it doesn't? You can say she's not your type and you can tell her you wanna hang out as friends. When she says she wants to kiss you, you can reject her if you have morals. It doesn't force anything on you. So you're telling me you're just gullible and can't tell when a game challenges your morals... When it's whole plot is about morals... Right

>>550475413
>I ignored my own morals for a character I care about!
>It was for Max
Anyone who actually cares about Max would never pick the Bae ending. It’s a litmus test — if you wanna know whether someone gives a damn about her or not.

>>550475380
LiS is the farthest thing from original idea and the fact that you can't see that says a lot about you. Thanks for your time.

>>550475413
Another prediction to what they'll say: "You didn't get the game" and "You never cared for the franchise in the first place, you like slop yada yada yada"

>>550475413
>You forget that I saved Chloe for her!!! I ignored my own morals for a character I care about! As I said before, the Bae ending is my one and only ending, but not because I love Chloe so much. It was for Max. It was what I felt she would have done because she does not think of giving up on her for one single second. If she didn't wanna give her a peaceful death on a bed, she wouldn't want her to die in pain on a bathroom floor either.
And I did the same, but I didn't had any moral preconception to go against unlike you who seemingly reason like some sort of preacher. I've also taken into account that while Chloe wouldn't have wanted her mother to die, Joyce would have wanted her to live in her stead, and that Chloe understood that Max had not fault in the storm happening or refusing to rewind back to let her die as she has little idea if that was going to work or not

>It doesn't have to because the game ends before it can.
That's not what they wanted, you are again projecting your own preconceived notion into a story that was never meant to be like that.

>. But Max gets punished by her actions though. She can't move on. She still lives in the past and still suffers because of what she's done
That's an interpretation that might happen in Bay, but In Bae she has Chloe and both can talk to each other and rebuild relationships with other people, like David Madsen living in Arizona. But even with Bay, the whole point of the ending was that Max accepts that Chloe needed to die and moves on, keeping the memories of a week that never was. Its a very french way to end the story, and I'm surprised you haven't considered that into your view of the game, that's a very mediocre way to understand media made by another country.
cont.

>>550476438

>Because destroying a whole town for one person is immoral
By how its framed in the game, it is not. Max has no full understanding of the Storm until it's very late into the story, and she has no idea if photojumping to let Chloe die will actually work. That's because prior to the ending sequence, Max had already experience photojumps in which one element being changed leads to unexpected and sometime bad consequences in their place. In this context, its not immoral for Max to just refuse to use her powers as they could do more harm than good, even if the cost is the Storm hitting the town.

>it compares to a foreigner getting killed by someone in another country and this country declaring war and destroying an entire city for one single person. Is that morally correct?
Retarded example that has absolutely nothing to do with the main story of Life is Strange. I'm wondering by how much you are harping on the moral vs immoral framework it has to do because you had some sort of hardcore religious upbringing or something similar that influenced your value to be that fixated on that, rather than fully analize the circumstances around it. A limited and mediocre framing to media I must say.

>>550474552
>And the story still feels demented and fanfiction tier
It doesn't, you just don't get it
>It stills don't justify why she changed from rewind to dimesion switching
Her powers evolved. Her past abilities are still bottled up somewhere in there, she makes that clear. She says that she can't use that part of her ability because it's like an untrained muscle. It takes her a while to be able to do it. The rewind is one part of her power. The photo hopping is another. Creating alternate timelines and switching between them when she changes history is yet another. And DE makes it clear that they're separate abilities and she needs to train each to be able to use them again.
All other characters experience an evolution of their power as well, so it makes sense for max's power to evolve further. Alex can at first see bad emotions, then good emotions, then she can take emotions away. Safi can at first only manipulate the way people see her but then she can take over their minds and trap them and control them, and her power might grow even further in the future. Max's powers evolving makes sense too. You made no point there

>>550475043
> Yes, it's in character. It doesn't make it morally correct. It just proves Max has no morals lol
And neither do you if you agree

>>550479928
finally someone with some media literacy in here. so sick of anons being completely brain dead on this game lmao

>>550476438
> I didn't had any moral preconception to go against
Then you lack the ability to understand what the game is trying to tell you. As I said, it confronts you with the trolley problem in order to question your morals and the moment I saw it I knew what it was trying to do. It's obvious
>That's an interpretation that might happen in Bay, but In Bae she has Chloe and both can talk to each other and rebuild relationships with other people
I stand corrected, but I'll correct myself here: it actually applies in both cases because no ending is good for her mental state. She suffers in both cases. There's no denying that.
And I'm sorry but talking and rebuilding relationships does not magically make trauma disappear. You can be in a room full of people and still be alone. People go to therapy for years to get over childhood trauma and what not. But she can't go to therapy. You think Max could get over killing an entire town by talking to Chloe? She hated that town. She wanted it to burn. No point was made. Again.

>>550480305
Appreciate it! <3

>>550481993
Current or former Deck Nine employees posting on 4chan is crazy.

>>550483783
NTA. But assuming that if a person dares to find merit in DE they must be a part of the Deck Nine team is reductive conspiracy-addled brain-rot. People have created hour-long videos explaining their take on the plot of DE. Were they secret D9 employees as well? Or god-forbid might it be possible that some people actually played the game, enjoyed it and can articulate their interpretations. The hive-mind around here is genuinely exhausting.

>>550485724
The ratio of videos trashing to the plot to videos speaking is positive about the plot is interesting.

>>550483004
>>550480305
Samefagging is just low

>>550485724
It's not that they're defending DE, it's the tone of the posts. There are plenty of DE defenders who I wouldn't label as shills or employees, this poster is different.

>>550485724
>The hive-mind around here is genuinely exhausting.
Only a handful really, there's a discord server(s) they use to congregate in. Remember that playtest thing a few weeks back? Yeah.

the chud guide to diminish a game that one hates

>game gets some decent reviews. Claim those were paid-off reviews from corrupt journalists
>game gets some positive player reviews. Claim those ppl are paid shills
>someone defends their liking of said game. Claim that person is an anonymous dev

chud tactics. endless variants of the ad hominem fallacy. thought LiS fans were better than that. guess not.

Also, just to make it clear for the anon that was trying to figure out why Max could use her power to save Safi when she's only known her for three months:
When Future Max meets Safi and Yasmin at the overlook, she learns that Safi has powers, and once their powers get revealed, there are no more walls left between them. In that moment, Max forms one of the most meaningful connections she's ever had with someone, if not the most meaningful. Imagine what it feels like for her to find out she's not alone. Safi is like her. Safi understands what she goes through, unlike anyone else out there who could try to understand but can't really. And no, I'm not romanticizing it. Even if Chloe was still around and Max loved her with all heart (which I believe she still does, dead or alive), Chloe would still not be able to understand Max like Safi does. They are similar.
So when she kills Safi, it's like she kills a sister. She kills the first person who could ever truly understand her. But she does it because that's what's right. The pain causes her powers to come back and she rewinds time and kills Safi. But it hurts so much that she sacrifices her future self and unlocks past Max's ability to hop between timelines so that past Max can find her and save her that way because she isn't able to use the rewind yet.
Max might have never felt the need to meet someone like herself until then because she rejected her own power, but you can see just how much comfort she feels in the fact that Safi has powers too. That scene in the Hellerton House where Max talks to other Safi and they open up to each other shows them in their most stripped and vulnerable state. It's the most honest and meaningful conversation we've ever had in LIS a game. It takes like 40 min or so, and it explains a ton of things about the plot and their feeling in relation to the events. [cont]

[Cont] They bond again in the second timeline, but this time on an even deeper level because now they work together unlike last time and they establish that they trust each other no matter what. So when Max rewinds time the second time around, Safi has a different attitude and that is a result of their connection. She is now more understanding, regretful, less provocative and looks less evil overall. Because she has no reason to behave like that anymore. She trusts Max to make the right decision and spare her from all that suffering that she feels and she's scarring others with. And Max takes control of this situation because she once again realizes that a future without Safi would suck. This time she chooses the less morally correct option and tries to save her because she feels more in control. She pulls Safi into the vortex and one by one, removes her from everyone she's trapping, And we see that Max is also trapped by Safi, she just doesn't hurt her.
So here it is. Why she's so important and she's on par with Chloe. I believe she would have unlocked her power to save someone who has powers even if she knew them for less time and they weren't bffs. Because suddenly, she has someone who could truly understand. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

>>550483783
That's hilarious. No I'm not. I just like the game and I'm tired of seeing all this shit. You guys don't allow people to like DE and you're bullying people. I'm just disproving your claims. But ofc I can't possibly understand something *you* don't understand, so I must be an employee. Wallnut sized brain right here

>>550485980
>The ratio of videos trashing to the plot to videos speaking is positive about the plot is interesting.
People trash the plot because they don't bother to understand it.
>Samefagging is just low
??? You're crazy if you think I need to praise myself when I already get a ton of satisfaction from seeing how ridiculously wrong you are and how you stumble and struggle to get back up XD

>>550488891
>sister. She kills the first person who could ever truly understand her. But she does it because that's what's right.
This only reinforce the idea that DE was made by people who believed the real sauce to Life is Strange was the supernatural powers, not the character dynamics slice of life and coming of age vibe story. Marvel and DC comic books have used this specific trope for years at this point, but LiS just isn't that type of story. Chloe can understand Max even if she doesn't have powers on her own, because the story was never built around superhero shit, and she had known Max more than D9 could ever claim Safi is like a sister.

Trying to explain the plot makes it clear this is NOT a LiS story, is a superhero origin type story. Its deeply detached and made by people who should work for capeshit content, not this one.

>When Future Max meets Safi and Yasmin at the overlook, she learns that Safi has powers, and once their powers get revealed, there are no more walls left between them. In that moment, Max forms one of the most meaningful connections she's ever had with someone, if not the most meaningful.
All only by shitting on Chloe character and ignoring her development with LiS2, but sure D9 OC is surely a better match.
You cant understand anything of the game you are defending because you are lost in your own deep sauce of shipping for an underbaked character in a poorly made sequel. It is so hard for you to understand Life is Strange was a one and done, it never needed this capeshit adjacent crap sprinkled in, and we surely were doing fine without it.

>>550486494
Their tone is like Cada, but they seem incapable of understanding how stupid the plot sounds, how it requires their own personal view on how much they love Safi in spite of everything else. Same delusion of grandeur, different target.

>>550488891
>>550489032
Bravo, anon. All cogent points that have been expressed in this general over the past year. Major major theme in the game is all about choice that people flippantly wave off as well as Max imparting her knowledge of the consequences of their gifts to Safi. Although, I disagree with their heart to heart at Hellerton House as the most honest and meaningful conversation. That goes to Sean and Karen at the motel.

>>550486494
Please explain how I'm different. I come up with arguments that make sense so I can only be an employee? I sound like I know stuff because I researched it and analyzed it? Because I actually took time to understand what happens instead of listening to other people's misunderstandings of the plot and treating them like facts? Or because I know how to get my point across in presenting those ideas?
Look. If DE2 will get released, we'll see how right I am. But if I'm wrong, I bet your ass I'm not too far off.

>>550490919
>>550490890
> All cogent points
A lot of those points are steeped deep into their own bias that DE is a deeply meaningful story, but their recap is not far off from a fanfiction about some writer wanting Max to be together their own super OC.

>Major major theme in the game is all about choice that people flippantly wave off
Life is Strange already did that theme, DE is not doing anything exceptional or new on that side.

>Max imparting her knowledge of the consequences of their gifts to Safi
Lol, like that final choice is all about if Max would join a vague ass proposal to get into superhero association with tons of other people with powers, if she accepts she appears to be super submissive and if she refuse Safi almost seems to say she's going to fuck up using Max's face. Safi learns jack shit from Max and surely she doesn't seem like a positive influence

>I sound like I know stuff because I researched it and analyzed it?
Cada also said, why are you so special?

>>550489032
>They bond again in the second timeline, but this time on an even deeper level because now they work together unlike last time and they establish that they trust each other no matter what. So when Max rewinds time the second time around, Safi has a different attitude and that is a result of their connection. She is now more understanding, regretful, less provocative and looks less evil overall. Because she has no reason to behave like that anymore. She trusts Max to make the right decision and spare her from all that suffering that she feels and she's scarring others with. And Max takes control of this situation because she once again realizes that a future without Safi would suck. This time she chooses the less morally correct option and tries to save her because she feels more in control. She pulls Safi into the vortex and one by one, removes her from everyone she's trapping, And we see that Max is also trapped by Safi, she just doesn't hurt her.
Anon, your bias as a SafiXMax shipper is showing a lot, I just can't take you seriously and the people taking you seriously are not exactly the brightest bulb in the franchise

>Why she's so important and she's on par with Chloe.
She's not on par with Chloe at all, she's the D9 writers pet who wanted to make their own OC donut to be far more popular than Chloe since SE wanted to get rid of her permantetly. But its not going to work, Safi's not Max's own Rachel and being tied to DE will permantly make sure once DE2 is out, flops, and D9 closes down, she will be

>I believe she would have unlocked her power to save someone who has powers even if she knew them for less time and they weren't bffs. Because suddenly, she has someone who could truly understand.
Again, Life is Strange was never a story about superpowered people understanding each other. It is not a Marvel comic book, the powers were always a way to tell a coming of age and social issues story, not the opposite. DE can't erase that out of thin air.

>>550490525
>they seem incapable of understanding how stupid the plot sounds
It sounds stupid but yet I have to explain it to you because you don't have the capacity to understand it. HAHA
>it requires their own personal view on how much they love Safi in spite of everything else
I- What? Where did I say that what Safi does is right and I love her so bad? I said I prefer her to anyone else we have available as a romance option because they have a deep connection. I like the fact that she trusts Max and doesn't hurt her, but she does some awful things. Not irredeemable though. But if she goes evil, I want her as far away from Max as possible.
And no, my own personal view of her is not *required* to explain the plot. Because it's not my personal view. It's actual events that happen in game, that you can see with your own two eyes but can't interpret because of your two braincells that try to function but somehow bump into eachother

>>550488891
>>550489032
Yes, we all understood the game’s intention, Aysha. We just think the execution was terrible, and the idea that only people with powers can truly understand each other feels like something lifted straight from 90s Marvel comics. Deck Nine arrived a bit late to the superhero genre.

>>550492274
Your that weirdo Safi shipper from the DE subreddit aren’t you?

>>550480234
Could you explain to me why you are so hung up with morality, even when the original writers said this:

>Koch: No, I am not, actually. We were always thinking it would be quite a heavy decision, and I'm not sure of the statistics, but I think it's about 50/50. It's good, because we never wanted to have one ending be the "right" one and one be the "wrong" one. It's really the right the one, because the player is choosing it.
>You are presented with saving Arcadia Bay or Chloe and we really wanted this decision to be yours. We are not saying one is better than the other. You have to make the decision and sacrificing Arcadia Bay, for us, is not a bad decision, it is your decision.
>If you're really willing to sacrifice a lot of things, because you wanted to keep this important relationship you have, that's your choice and we're not saying one is better than the other.

The choice was never about morality in game, it was all about player agency. As for the Trolley Problem, it already presents a balance: if "you choose A, you get it at the price of B, and if you choose B you lose A", and that's it, it's simple and not hard to graps in the game logic, and that choice should be respected going foward.

Since you are so deep in your weirdly religious like moral framework, you see that as a "choosing A is wrong because B goes away therefore you must be punished and lose A, but choosing B is good because it doesn't go away and A does, so you don't get punished." It's deeply unsettling to observe and you don't seem to make any type of self reflection on why its that. But Chloe did not deserve to die in a cold bathroom at the lowest point of her life, so I guess by killing her is fair if Max gets punished with a new storm that hit Arcadia Bay later on, right? That's quite realistic, Oregon and the PCNW coast has plenty of those.

>>550492910
What's their name? No normal redditor would go in this place and just keep engaging over and over again

>>550493130
>The choice was never about morality in game, it was all about player agency
Agency and choices that are informed by your morality. Learn to read between the lines man my god.

>>550490525
> not the character dynamics slice of life coming of age vibe story
Umm... Hold up. You want Max at the age of 28 to have a "slice of life coming of age" story? She is of age my dude. She should do what? come... more of age?? She does. She grows a lot in DE in less than a month and at the end she's ready to stop running away and to face her trauma. Also, You want max or other characters to be bullied as as adults? The only adults who bully at this age are the ones like you who hide behind the screen. No point was made.
>All only by shitting on Chloe character and ignoring her development with LiS2, but sure D9 OC is surely a better match.
Well the fact that she develops as a character doesn't mean she can truly understand Max or what she goes through. No point was made.
>you are lost in your own deep sauce of shipping
I'm not shipping them. If anything, I ship her with Amanda more because that woman has proved herself to want to listen and help Max with her problems. I just truly believe it would be too much for her to handle and she'd crack at some point, just like Chloe, because she can't truly understand Max. She can only say "it's alright". Safi, on the other hand, can understand her. And they have good chemistry so why the hell not? What's the problem?

>>550481993
>Then you lack the ability to understand what the game is trying to tell you
I've already explained that in >>550493130 LiS ending is a fairly simple interpretation of the trolley problem, and there's not need to have Max be punished for saving Chloe because on this narrative structure, she already lost Arcadia Bay and that's enough for both. You on the other hand have built a weird moral framework to justify DE into the structure of Life is Strange, even when you keep explaining the plot in a way that shows how much of a convoluted and unecessary sequel it actually is.


>it actually applies in both cases because no ending is good for her mental state. She suffers in both cases. There's no denying that.
No shit sherlock, that's why a lot of people liked the idea of Max and Chloe bonding being able to surpass the suffering, slowly rebuilding relationships with the other survivors, bonding with David as he change too... Max doesn't need to have someone who has powers to truly understand her, she needs people who care about and that can share her trauma together. It takes a while but it can work, you eventually accept it and normalize it.

>You think Max could get over killing an entire town by talking to Chloe?
Max didn't kill Arcadia Bay, she didn't press the lever to have the tornado appear on the Bay, she refused to take action because by that context, she had enough of her powers as she actively thought they wouldn't have solved anything and did not want to lose Chloe again. Being a spectator to a natural disaster that spawned with powers you didn't ask you had no real control and believe they can't really make thing better without something worse coming later is not being a killer.

>>550492650
More importantly, we don't give a shit about Safi.

>>550485724
>Or god-forbid might it be possible that some people actually played the game, enjoyed it and can articulate their interpretations
Most of the time, their interpretations are stuff that doesn't feel like a Life is Strange game but a Heroes post S1 episode. They are detached to what Life is Strange original identity is, and by this they lower their standards to the average capeshit enjoyer, which we had enough by this point

>>550492650
Deck Nine and SE fell into the trap that since Life is Strange has supernatural powers and capeshit has supernatural powers, that means LiS is capeshit, and since capeshit can lead to good sales sometime at the box office with a large audience, it would have worked for DE. They just did not get it.

>>550494168
>Umm... Hold up. You want Max at the age of 28 to have a "slice of life coming of age" story? She is of age my dude.
Life is Strange worked that way, Max story is done in LiS1 and the rest is up to the player. DE rehashes a closed book for monetary gain, I do not see why we should repeat that again.

>I ship her with Amanda more because that woman has proved herself to want to listen and help Max with her problems
>Safi, on the other hand, can understand her. And they have good chemistry so why the hell not? What's the problem?
As expected, you are fine with Chloe not understanding Max even if its all from D9 hack writers messing a relationship Dontnod already defined as mutual trust to go with their OC. You absolutely prefer the Safi X Max ship and its hard not to notice lol

>>550492197
Anon, your bias as a SafiXMax shipper is showing a lot
How? I'm not making anything up. I'm just telling you what happens in the game. Go check for yourself if you don't believe me.
>She's not on par with Chloe at all, she's the D9 writers pet who wanted to make their own OC donut to be far more popular than Chloe

Go cry harder, they still managed to make her be on par with her.

>the powers were always a way to tell a coming of age and social issues story,
Because True Color is a coming of age story. Be fucking serious. How long should they be making stories about kids?
They age their characters as their audience's age increases as well. It makes fucking sense.
You wanna play as a highschooler? When you claim you're a full grown adult?? You wanna romance highschoolers and you... don't feel weird?
Because I played Lost Records and while the story is good, I felt soooo weird about it and ended up not romancing anyone on first playthrough. Some games are targeted for certain audience groups and if you're an adult you're weird for asking for coming-of-age stories. You're way outside the audience range these games are made for. Lost records is made for people who'll relate to the game's relatable parts. People who are now coming of age. Who will age with the game and keep being invested in it as they grow because it spoke to them at some point. How do you as an adult relate to Lost Records? How is DE not being a coming of age story a problem when adults are supposed to relate to it?
Again, so embarrassing for you

>>550492650
the idea that only people with powers can truly understand each other feels like something lifted straight from 90s Marvel comics
Really? Do you think that you, a normie, would really be able to understand someone with powers as their lover? Or maybe in your delusions you'd think you do, but would they feel like you understand them? Or would they feel alone when you claim to understand but then you prove you don't by mistake?

>>550495885
You are aware that the game killed Deck Nine and the next game will be the last? Not that they deserve the blame. That lies with SE. But feels pointless to defend a game that killed LiS.

>>550492910
I have no idea who you're talking about, but no, Safi didn't hang the stars in the sky for me. And if you actually understood what I'm saying, you'd be able to tell that. Sorry to disappoint

>>550495885
The initial romancing thing in LR was a bit awkward yeah because of their ages. It's a whole lot more relatable imo which is one of the best things about these games; that they can connect and relate to someone. Even DE which unabashedly shows how people are now. You missed a lot of fun here during LR's launch but sadly the ones that are holding it in the highest regard, with the same pitfalls in their rhetoric, are the ones currently dogpiling you.

>>550497679
How sad that you need someone as delusional as you to keep your flop relevant

>>550493130
> " We are not saying one is better than the other"
They are not saying it because then they'd call you, the one who makes the decision, immoral and they don't wanna insult anyone. Learn to read between the lines.
"If you're really willing to sacrifice a lot of things, because you wanted to keep this important relationship you have, that's your choice and we're not saying one is better than the other"
Read that back. They basically indirectly say "we don't judge you if you make the wrong choice", when people question why they made the ending the way they did because while they wanna keep the Chloe, they know killing an entire town for her when the whole storm is caused by the fact that Chloe is meant to die is wrong. You lack reading comprehension. Had people not felt guilty and like their morals are questioned, DN wouldn't even have had to explain that they don't judge anyone.
>and that choice should be respected going foward
While both actions have consequences, one side of the scale weighs more. And that's the one you have to save from a moral stand point.
So if you kill Chloe, only Max gets to suffer.
If you choose to keep Chloe Max still gets to suffer but she kills a whole fucking town. That affects people outside of the town too. People have relatives there. Remember Steph? Her mom gets killed in the storm. If you ever meet her, which is not impossible because it's pretty much canon that she and Alex are a thing, you're making an enemy out of her if she finds out you killed her mom
And yes, DE punishes everyone's lack of morals through the breakup. The characters and the player's and that's still a valid argument for the breakup. Because it's whole plot is about punishing people for their morals by not giving them what they want. Can't lie, can't cheat, can't deceive. You immediately get caught.
>Chloe did not deserve to die in a cold bathroom
But a whole town deserves to die so that Chloe doesn't die on a cold bathroom floor?
Be fucking serious

>>550499589
which one? LMAO

>>550496175
All thr ways you rationalize the idea that a normal person can't understand or sympathize with people with power is just bullshit. Max and Chloe worked well because of their bond that way beyond Max having powers and Chloe cared about Max even if she didn't fully understood her powers, plus the game has plenty of moments in which she realizes they are actively hurting Max, so its not like she's oblivious.

If the latest capeshit Superman movie can make Lois Lane be a great bond with Clark Kent in spite of his powers, then Max and Chloe can work well even if she do not have powers.

Keep that shit into old comics, Life is Strange is not that type of franchise and you are sniffing a delusion without understanding why people did not like it

>>550494186
>there's not need to have Max be punished for saving Chloe
Yes there is?? DE's entire plot is about payback for your wrongdoings.
Max's suffering about losing Arcadia bay isn't payback. It's a consequence of her actions. Same for killing Chloe.
>even when you keep explaining the plot in a way that shows how much of a convoluted and unecessary sequel it actually is.
I'm sorry that I can't offer you the gift of reading comprehension
>that's why a lot of people liked the idea of Max and Chloe bonding being able to surpass the suffering
How do you surpass the trauma of destroying an entire town unless you're a fucking monster? She's not a fucking ruthless leader that starts a war and destroys a town. She's just a girl faced with an impossible choice. HOW would she ever get over it? How would hanging out with people and talking solve it when, as I said, you can be in a room full of people whoa re there for you and still feel alone because of your trauma.
>Max didn't kill Arcadia Bay [...] she had enough of her powers as she actively thought they wouldn't have solved anything and did not want to lose Chloe again.
Really? Then if she rips the photo, what does she think will happen? It's fucking obvious Arcadia Bay will get destroyed! She literally pulls the lever. You're contradicting yourself XD

>>550499926
>They are not saying it because then they'd call you, the one who makes the decision, immoral and they don't wanna insult anyone. Learn to read between the lines.
>Read that back. They basically indirectly say "we don't judge you if you make the wrong choice"
You are projecting your own opinions into Michel's words, not reading between the lines. Its always projection, you made that clear when you displayed your own morality framework for the first game. Consider that before Chloe was set to die, the original Bay ending had her set in a coma at the hospital, so I don't think the devs were making a statement about morality. It was always about the tragedy of life, and how you can't have the perfect solution to everything and you have to accept what comes foward without looking back. It's very french in a way, but the two endings were not built in this framework of "morally good and morally bad", just shades of grey with bad consequences, and bittersweet understanding of what comes next.
>DN wouldn't even have had to explain that they don't judge anyone
That proves my point, they explained themselves and made clear they didn't want to make one ending canon over the other, they did not want a standard good ending and a bad one, which is the same for Life is Strange 2 endings. There's no perfect morally good scenario, some of them might look better than others but they are fundamentally shades of grey and bittersweet, which shouldn't be hard to see.

cont.

>>550495582
>Life is Strange worked that way, Max story is done in LiS1 and the rest is up to the player
Is it? You really can't stand to see her as an adult? You can't stand to see her grow because she wasn't supposed to at first?
"LIS worked that way" Yeah, Because she's fucking 18 bro.
> DE rehashes a closed book for monetary gain, I do not see why we should repeat that again
So what if it does. That still doesn't make DE bad.
>As expected, you are fine with Chloe not understanding Max
Why would I not be fine with it? I'm fine with Amanda not understanding her too. What's wrong with that? And I'm fine with Safi not understanding her as well, but I just think she would because... you know... she almost destroys her town as well. It makes fucking sense for her to understand.
>ou absolutely prefer the Safi X Max ship and its hard not to notice lol
You're acting like that's a bad thing lamooo I can ship Max with that bent lamp post at Caledon if I want.

>>550501801

>While both actions have consequences, one side of the scale weighs more. And that's the one you have to save from a moral stand point. So if you kill Chloe, only Max gets to suffer.
Perfectly illustrating my scheme: "choosing A is wrong because B goes away therefore you must be punished and lose A, but choosing B is good because it doesn't go away and A does, so you don't get punished.". It's was never meant to be that, Chloe originally being planned to just being in a coma at the hospital in way prove's Dontnod vision was not to be a moral grandstanding as one ending is better than the other, it was that both endings have pros and cons, there's a bittersweet feeling in both and is up the player their final judgement, rather than the dev saying which one is good or bad. That's why both have been like 50/50 split with each other in popularity, you are just deluding yourself by injecting your weird moralist, religious lite interpretation into something that was far more straightfoward to understand, which is something.

Did you had a very religious upbringing and that has influenced your view and background on how you splat your moral framework into the game endings, and why D9's misunderstanding of Dontnod original conception is easier to accept?

>>550496175
>the idea that only people with powers can truly understand each other feels like something lifted straight from 90s Marvel comics
Safi almost destroys Caledon too. She'd understand. She really fucking would because she doesn't want that. She feels guilty for what she does unintentionally.

>>550496315
>You are aware that the game killed Deck Nine and the next game will be the last [...] But feels pointless to defend a game that killed LiS.
OK so? I shouldn't defend media that I like because there's no continuation? Bro I'd defend it if it was a standalone game with no sequel and that was the ending I got. Your point is??

>>550497679
>Yes you can relate. As a teenager. It makes sense as you grow to seek media you relate to at your current age. Them wanting D99 to only release coming of age stories when they're full grown adults is ~WEIRD~

>>550501148
>Yes there is?? DE's entire plot is about payback for your wrongdoings.
Again, all of this make sense if your interpretation of Life is Strange is seen through some religious "sinner must repent their sins/wrongdoings" moral core, which is wacky as hell

>Max's suffering about losing Arcadia bay isn't payback. It's a consequence of her actions.
That's why Chloe conforts her. She understand why Max choose to rip the photo, even if it's painful for both girls. As for the payback, in the standard trolley problem and not your weird moral core, choosing to save A instead of B or the oppositve doesn't have a payback, because its done and gone and you have to accept what you got.

>Really? Then if she rips the photo, what does she think will happen? It's fucking obvious Arcadia Bay will get destroyed!
Arcadia Bay was already being destroyed, the lever was already on when they went on a cliff. If anything Max is more responsible for Chloe dying that the storm hitting the town, because once she returns back to the bathroom she knows what's going to happen there and chooses not to act when she could. When the storm arrives, its already too late and Max can only accept what's going on, which is not the same as using the lever.

>She's just a girl faced with an impossible choice. HOW would she ever get over it? How would hanging out with people and talking solve it when, as I said, you can be in a room full of people whoa re there for you and still feel alone because of your trauma.
In Bae Max shares her trauma with Chloe, who understand her, and even in Bay as painful as it sounds she can find a way into confort within other people, like the few friends she had in Arcadia Bay like Kate. Sometimes you have to live with trauma and normalize it to go on with life, and you don't need a bad fanfiction to magically solve it.

>>550496175
Have you ever read a comic in your life or are you just dumb?

>>550500194
>All thr ways you rationalize the idea that a normal person can't understand or sympathize with people with power is just bullshit
Honey anyone can sympathize. But they can't understand what they go through if they've faced trauma. You're lying to yourself to justify the fact that Chloe would understand
> Max and Chloe worked well because of their bond that way beyond Max having powers
Really? Then why does she suddenly care about her more when she learns she has powers? Because their bond is so strong?
Chloe wants Max to use her powers for her personal gain and sticks around because Max wants to find Rachel too and tries to help. She doesn't really care much about Max because she's still hanging onto Rachel and when she finally finds out she's dead, that's when her focus shifts. Afterwards, you can argue that they form a very strong bond because of the trauma, but a bond created while stepping on other people's bones is not a strong bond. It's a wonder that their relationship lasts for as long as it lasts

>>550502397
>Safi almost destroys Caledon too
Because the D9 writers decided to give the storm to Safi with zero foreshadowing and in spite of LiS2 or TC having characters with powers not making their own storm when in meltdown. The Storm was a key element of LiS1 and Max's power alone, it tied to a shitload of thematic elements and graphical imagery that just do not make sense for Safi's character as she's introduced. Its incredibly artificial and shallow.

>She feels guilty for what she does unintentionally
Yet she goes to plan her speech about being gods and asking Max to join her in her journey to find more people with powers, which surely won't lead to anything negative by the way she said it...
You are once again defending hack writing because it justifies your shipping preferences. Fucking clown.

>>550503967
>Honey anyone can sympathize. But they can't understand what they go through if they've faced trauma.


>Really? Then why does she suddenly care about her more when she learns she has powers?
Chloe's already was starting to care about Max again once she returns back, one of her first gestures is giving her dad's camera when Max's one is broken.

>Chloe wants Max to use her powers for her personal gain and sticks around because Max wants to find Rachel too and tries to help
Its a mutual thing

>she doesn't really care much about Max because she's still hanging onto Rachel and when she finally finds out she's dead, that's when her focus shifts
For someone who accuses other people to not being capable of reading between the lines, that's hilarious how it basicall goes over your head that Chloe is slowly starting to have feelings for Max again, while she still do want to find out what happened to Rachel Amber.

> Afterwards, you can argue that they form a very strong bond because of the trauma, but a bond created while stepping on other people's bones is not a strong bond
Max and Chloe are survivors, not murderers. Max wasn't fully aware of her powers reach and when the Storm arrived it was too late to stop it, so all they could do was to just stay on the lighthouse.

I'm very curious about you background, all your morality argument and superficial readings make me think you really have grown up in some super religious family and you frame things throught that lens without making further reasoning on why. And I wonder why you still haven't replied on that matter.

>>550501801
>You are projecting your own opinions into Michel's words
No you just don't know how to read
>Consider that before Chloe was set to die, the original Bay ending had her set in a coma at the hospital, so I don't think the devs were making a statement about morality
Mmmm they do. You just lack plot comprehension
>It was always about the tragedy of life
DE is about the tragedy of life too wdym? What, Maya's story isn't a tragedy? Gwen's isn't? Safi's isn't? The fact that the whole campus gets to be scarred isn't? Except that this time you get to be the spectator when you solve it. Safi is the one leading the plot, not you. And I think that's why you all don't understand it. Max gets to be the person Safi looks up to and listens to. She helps her overcome a situation she's faced before. You look at everything from Max's standpoint and don't realize that she's the problem solver not the one in charge of leading the plot

>>550504887
Forgot to add:
>Honey anyone can sympathize. But they can't understand what they go through if they've faced trauma
That's a terrible way to understand relationship, so apparently a caring husband cannot understand her wife pain of losing a baby in her arms or being sexually assaulted unless she talk directly to other people who had that same exact experience? Fuck off.

>>550505387
These people must never have read a single comic in their lives. Most of the time, the sense of community found among other mutants or superheroes turns out to be fragile or false, while the grounding relationships with people without powers are what end up being the lasting bond. This is basically a trope at this point.

>>550505015
>DE is about the tragedy of life too wdym?
The game ends up with a Hallmark movie tier speech, all the "tragedy" thats in the game is soap opera tier low stake soapboxes that have no real depth like the impact of the original game and its endings, or Kate's suicide as well as the Dark Room storyline. This has always been D9 weakest point but DE is incredibly egregious with how it decides to end things up. Tragedy has to be real and have proper consequences that have deep lasting impact, like LiS1 and 2 did. You have no idea what you are talking about.

>You look at everything from Max's standpoint and don't realize that she's the problem solver
Max's "solves" problems in the original game as best as she could because she's attempting to do good and she believes in doing the good thing, but the point of the game is that not everything can be solved by undoing stuff from the past or keeping a status quo. She's not the hero who get the perfect ending, and she wasn't meant to be as her story was one and complete. You refuse to accept it because you can't understand what the original Life is Strange is on a core level

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>Incomprehensible ESL babbling, now with grade school strawman fallacies, is still ongoing

>>550506102
Yep, I admit that I've read a lot of comics beyond superhero stuff and the whole trope has been used a lot but has also been refuted as well, that's why I bring the Lois Lane and Clark Kent/Superman dynamic.

Life is Strange is not about superpowered people and their struggles, the real deal is about normal people facing everyday scenarios and social issues as well as modern day society in a slice of life setting while with a element of supernatural and a bit of superpowers. There's an intimate sense of connection that goes beyond the superficial superpower shit and that's why I love episodes like Farewell or Captain Spirit, or things like Lost Records and the original LiS, even Tell Me Why.

They were never made to be tied to a overused and old superhero trope, and to try to set into it immediatly ruins the appeal of those stories.

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Reddit DEfender, why do you keep ascribing a moral fundamentalism to the original game when it was never inteded to be that way? Did you grew up in a very religious background where you get chastized or had things like "this is morally wrong and you'll be punished by god in doing this" being taught at your youngest age? The core of your issues with LIS1 is a big key misconception and failure to read into its narrative fueled by some external viewpoints, and your acceptance of DE's shallow story is very interesting as the game clearly has more of a morality bias than LiS1 ever did.

>>550507737
>DEfender
Obsessed

>>550504218
>Because the D9 writers decided to give the storm to Safi with zero foreshadowing and in spite of LiS2 or TC having characters with powers not making their own storm when in meltdown.
Ummm...???Alex never has a meltdown like Safi does?? She's very much in control of her power. She would probably lose control if she tried to take a whole group of people's negative emotions though. She can handle one person's emotions at the time. They go away pretty fast so it's not enough to cause a storm.
As for Daniel... you sound really stupid. Daniel's power is a mini storm itself. He doesn't move the objects themselves, he moves the physical matter around them, making them move. He's a kid, so it's subdued, but if it evolves, the kid won't only cause a storm, he will become the center of the storm. and control it.
>Yet she goes to plan her speech about being gods and asking Max to join her in her journey to find more people with powers, which surely won't lead to anything negative by the way she said it...
They are closer to being "gods" than they are to being superheroes though. Their powers are meant to help them fix their own problems, not other people's. They can if they want to, but they get it out of a strong desire to get themselves out of suffering.
It happens to Max, to Daniel, to Alex, and to Safi. And in DE max and Safi get indirectly called gods. The name of chapter 4 is Diptych. You don't see any actual diptych. They *are* the metaphorical diptych. Two canvases depicting gods. And don't say that's ridiculous, because the analogy is actually smart and acts as foreshadowing.
Also, as far as we know, safi just wants to find a community. We don't know what she plans to do once she finds that community yet. I'll be back with my opinion on her choices later when I find out. No point in speculating on that yet.

>>550512798
They literally show Daniel becoming a force of nature at the weed farm. How people didn't catch that is beyond me.

>>550512798
You are retroactively trying to justfiy Safi bringing out the LiS1 Storm out of nowhere while pretending it was something all previous main characters could do. The Storm was a key thematic plot point of Life is Strange 1 and Max. It makes no sense to add that in characters who had nothing to do with it like Alex or Daniel. This is desperate walking on glasses to avoid admitting that DE shat the bed in this angle and D9 is being inconsistent even to their own prior game. What a pathetic clown you are.

>They are closer to being "gods" than they are to being superheroes though. And in DE max and Safi get indirectly called gods.
Anon I know you are not that bright, but superhero being paraded as gods is also a trope that has been quite used in a lot of comic books and movies before, Zak Snyder being the most obvious example to point at. How DE treats it is frankly a parody of what at least LiS2 attempted to do in a more serious manner, and even there it was already iffy and badly handled. And still felt more grounded that what DE did.

>The name of chapter 4 is Diptych. You don't see any actual diptych. They *are* the metaphorical diptych. Two canvases depicting gods. And don't say that's ridiculous, because the analogy is actually smart and acts as foreshadowing.
Yes, the D9 writers and SE were high off their own stuff and thought replacing Chloe with their OC Safi for Max would have been a huge success, which never happened.

>Also, as far as we know, safi just wants to find a community.
For being someone who get mad at people lacking reading comprehension, you really do take shit at face value from the writing even when it barely makes any sense within how Life is Strange was set up. We don't need the avengers or mutant community shit, it will never be a game people truly want in the series.

> I'll be back with my opinion on her choices later when I find out. No point in speculating on that yet.
None of the choices made in DE1 will likely matter much for the next game, the whole ending seems taylor made to minimize any recurring consequence as much as possible, and its going to flop again so no point on caring about a contractually obligated sequel of a botched sequel of a story that was already complete and done

>>550514167
Daniel's telekinesis is just blasts and pulling things in the hair, but it nevers controls wheater and the Dontnod devs made it clear the way he uses his power is NOT tied to a storm in the same way as Max was in the first game.

The Storm was always thematically, narratively and power tied to Max's story in Life is Strange 1. To recycle the whole model for a character whos power is comparatevely speaking similar to Alex and that both LiS2 and TC never replicate the same type of storm from the original game is a stupid late retcon as well as a inconsistence and devalues the original game narrative. Accepting it, only means you lower your standards because you can't process or understand how unoriginal DE was, you clown

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>>550516276

>all the "tragedy" thats in the game is soap opera tier low stake soapboxes that have no real depth like the impact of the original game and its endings
The first one doesn't have much depth either, in fact it's more of a soap opera than DE. It's not some complex plot that you now switched and claim it is. You all say that you understand LIS1's plot because it's straightforward and linear and not convoluted. All that "depth" is just pity disguised. You read your emotional attachment to the characters as depth. But none of that has an actual impact on what happens throughout the game. You get to choose which ending you want no matter what choices you make. All that "depth" you claim it has is just generic bullying meant to make you pity the characters so when you're faced with the final ending it's harder for you to make a decision. That's why you have all sorts of filler interactions like saving someone from being hit or splashed. To pity them. To make it hard to get rid of them. It's really not that deep.
Tragic things happen to the characters in DE too. They face the same mistreatment. Maya's book gets stolen. She kills herself, Gwen risks to lose her job, Vinh's authority gets challenged. Yasmin gets shot. Safi loses control. The whole campus gets hurt and destroyed. But because they're adults, you don't pity them so you don't get attached and it's not deep to your tiny brains impressed by bullying and suicidal tendencies.
In DE your choices actually change the ending. In the final scene you get to see Gwen, Reggie or Vinh or you don't depending on your actions. Amanda is upset with you or she's not. Moses is glad you stood up to Safi or is disappointed that you didn't.
This just proves my point. The LIS1 is more impactful because it challenges your morals but lets you off the hook, while DE's ending punishes your lack of morals and instead of appreciating it because that *IS* depth, you cry that the plot is bad because you lack comprehension

>>550516276
I never said his storm is the same type of storm. I just said that the concept of a storm is not unique to Max because it applies to Daniel too. But instead of it manifesting outside of themselves, if that makes sense, he's at the center of it and he controls it. He's the storm himself.
You mean to tell me that his powers wouldn't control the weather if he creates a vortex around him and it's big enough? Because then you don't understand how weather phenomenons work.

>>550521574
>DE's ending punishes your lack of morals and instead of appreciating it because that *IS* depth, you cry that the plot is bad because you lack comprehension
This

>>550523638
>>550517472
>I never said his storm is the same type of storm
Daniel power is just telekinesis. For someone who claims to look and read very carefully, hasn't crossed your mind that if the devs wanted Daniel to be a literal mini storm, they would have visualized better. Dontnod made the Storm metaphors and foreshadowing in LiS1 very prominent, but LiS2 indicates nothing about that kind of thing.

>I just said that the concept of a storm is not unique to Max because it applies to Daniel too
It's handle quite differently from LiS because, as I repeat, the Storm from LiS1 is a completely unique plot and concept for Life is Strange alone, while LiS2 do not use it. Daniel's power is simply the Force, and it doesn't have any connection to butterfly effects weirdness in the same way Max's time rewind does.


>You mean to tell me that his powers wouldn't control the weather if he creates a vortex around him and it's big enough? Because then you don't understand how weather phenomenons work.
Again are retroactively projecting what DE introduced without considering that D9 had no consistent vision on how powers operated, and since DE was rewritten mutliple times and made by a different team who handled True Colors, for DE they pulled out the Storm as a cheap attempt to recreate and somehow "subvert" the original game. Daniel has never been shown to be capable of controlling weather, and guess what? Repeating it in LiS2 would have been cheap as fuck so Dontnod didn't do that.

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>>550507737
It was literally intended to be that way. Are you dumb? Everything that happens throughout the game leads to a very clear moral dilemma at the every end. It just doesn't blame you for your choice. But the whole game is a moral dilemma.
Nope I didn't grow up in a very religious household, you idiot, I can just interpret a plot and when I see a someone doing something wrong I can call it out. Because I was raised right and I have morals. And that has nothing to do with religion. I don't say "that's morally wrong and you'll be punished by god" I say "that's wrong because it leads to a more negative outcome" and it's obvious that it's wrong from a moral standpoint.
You're acting like I'm saying that you're punished by a higher entity in DE. I use the word punish because it's easier to understand. You get punished by karma my dude. It slaps you in the face sooner or later. You lie to Amanda that you've heard of the band she recommends? She calls you out. You try to romance her? She calls you out and she distances herself from you. You romance Vinh? Reggie gets upset with you and he won't be around at the very end. Safi calls you out on it too because girl code. She later says she can be these two for you if you like them so much because she knows you've made bad choices and they won't want you anymore. You don't call Yasmin out on her bullshit? Instead of quitting she'll fight the board. The nerve! You don't save the footage and help Gwen? She gets fired and she leaves and she won't be around at the end either. And so on.
The game subtly but surely punishes your lack of morals by giving you no satisfaction by the end. Literally none. No Romance, and barely any friends.
I can read into LIS1'S narrative and I can confidently tell you it's a pity party that's supposed to make it hard to choose what the ending should be. You pity the other characters and Chloe so when you're faced with a moral dilemma it's hard to choose between the two

>>550530487
Cry more, shipper

>>550521574
>The LIS1 is more impactful because it challenges your morals but lets you off the hook while DE's ending punishes your lack of morals and instead of appreciating it because that *IS* depth
Oh my god, you really can't understand media that challenge the viewer. Whatever sort of delusional religious upbringing has convinced you that LiS1 needs to punish the player for choosing to save Chloe, despite Dontnod already showing and stating they never meant that and reinforcing with LiS2, its making you saying things that are completely off the rocker.

DE has the depth of a puddle, its ending is more in line with one of those lame sitcoms, with an ending that has no stakes and doesn't challenge any viewer opinions. It's all soapboxed in D9s pussy writing due to SE rewrites, you don't feel invested into the world because it feel lifeless and dull with the characters either being not fleshed out enough or not compelling.
You can't tell me LiS1 is worse than DE because at least in LiS1 when Kate's going through a depression and the player get invested in her story line, they do so because the story knows its an important theme that needs to be addressed and they need to not shy away. When Maya is mentioned in DE, there's not really much apart that's she presented as a copy execution of Rachel Amber way too late into the game.

The more you try to defend DE, the more it becomes obvious you don't understand shit. Always remember, that if Life is Strange hadn't been a success Deck Nine would have never been contracted to work on the series, and the original creators never wanted a continuation in the first place nor they believed they needed to make a morally black and white statements about the endings. That's all on your delusional head.

>>550531298
>reddit spacing
GTFO, unc

>>550530795
>Because I was raised right and I have morals.
Me too, but I also learned that Life is Strange was never going for a black and white morality endings scenario. You are retroactively pushing it into LIS1 because that's the framework you ascribed to, and the one the D9 team took for DE which is bullshit. In reality there are shades of grey, and with Life is Strange, Max is not a murderer to let the storm happen, because it was already out of her control by that point and she had no reason to believe letting Chloe die would have worked. Action and consequences means she already had paid her due with the destruction of the town, it isn't necessary to go further ahead.

>I don't say "that's morally wrong and you'll be punished by god" I say "that's wrong because it leads to a more negative outcome" and it's obvious that it's wrong from a moral standpoint.
But this is extremely generalist of a statement, and it can't apply to all situation equally. What about people that are extremely racist and they believe it's wrong for white people to marry black people because in their view is seen as morally wrong, leading to a negative for them outcome and the people doing that needs to be punished? Morality is subjective, but the context and the reasons on which its applied matters more, in certain situations its fine to say "fuck around and find out", in others is a lot more complicated than just that.
Let's just say, in your own moral framework, that DE received the perfect amount of karma for not respecting the past player choices and it was a morally bad sequel, as it was made in spite of the original developers vision and fueled by Square Enix out of touch greed.

>The game subtly but surely punishes your lack of morals by giving you no satisfaction by the end. Literally none. No Romance, and barely any friends.
You know they did that because its easier to start as a blank slate again for their contractual sequel in DE2.

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>>550530487
Me too, I'm getting tired of this retard spamming like they are on Reddit, they should have fucked off by the last thread.

>>550532967
Your ship’s dead, which means your time here is over. Door’s open, no one will care when you walk out.

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>>550533803
We aren't going anywere. Max and Chloe will still keep going while D9 and SE London get laid down with their failures

>>550532801
>You know they did that because its easier to start as a blank slate again for their contractual sequel in DE2.
obviously not, dumbass. no need for that. the game was cut into two parts, they knew the rest from the start

>>550534264
There’s no Max and Choe anymore. There’s only Max. Maybe it will be your fave and Izzie, but nobody’s gonna seriously talk about that.

>>550534286
Cut in two at the last minute, because they rewrote it like four times as per Aysha. Not exactly a sign of quality on the horizon

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>>550534578
>There’s no Max and Choe anymore
There have been more fanarts around Max and Chloe than any of the new DE characters in this year. Pricefield will outlive a bad game, even if the franchise sunks down to slop level.

>nobody’s gonna seriously talk about that
DE1 has been already forgotten by most normies and DE2 is going to flop on arrival, of course it won't be taken serious

>>550534849
>but MUH FANART

>>550534849
>of course it won't be taken serious
wow, what happened to the whole 'MUH CHLOE is so popular, the game would’ve sold billions if she was in it'? can't she even move some shitty book?

>>550535214
Fanarts are an healthy way to show the popularity of a character, and fandom engagement is a good thing. Anyway your reddit friend admitted that we Pricefielders were the first who made DE a flop, so theres that lol

>>550534264
>We
>lonely spams every 2 minutes retarded shitfield fanart mixed with LR‑slop

>>550535540
>healthy way to show the popularity of a character
Yeah, especially when it’s the same dozen artists cranking it out year after year.
>fandom engagement is a good thing
Wow, didn’t you just cry about wanting people with the opposite opinion to leave?
>we Pricefielders were the first who made DE a flop
Don’t overrate yourself, you don’t even exist in numbers big enough to flop anything.