toxic spergs edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/11-21-2025-update.90383/>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>550218316
Ricochet on mirage is bait and stat padding
gay sex with mirage
SEX WITH THE DOORMAN!!!
Do you really "need t1" anymore? Like if im not building headhunter or rapid recharge or boundless then why bother?
AAAAAAHHH I'M SUPPORTINGI'M GONNA SUPPOOOOORT
>>550376241Just those and maybe regen t1's other wise you just try to get impactful t2's or save for a t3 and t2 for threshold. This meta is not only stale but builds are boring as fuck.
My new mirage strat is rushing spirit lifesteal in lane. I also get heroic aura. Its ok to be a little jealous
>>550377284i like rushing fleetfoot
>>550375135It means "Before Common Era" the common era being "After Christ's Birth">with Jewish scholars like Rabbi Morris Jacob Raphall popularizing its use in the mid-19th century (1856) to create a more inclusive, non-Christian dating methodIt literally IS a Jewish invention who could've guessed.
>>550377372I also get fleet foot but its not really a rush, usually after my purp 4.8k
does the fact rem's textures are already in the game files mean he'll be the autounlock like mina was last time?also wtf new captcha woaw
>>550379491Its fucking my brain
>actual IQ test captchathere will be a shortage of wraith/haze/infernus players posting on 4chan
I hate playing in South America. Not only are you at risk of playing with people who cannot communicate (literally, language barrier between spanish and portuguese), everyone is miles behind the other regions in micro/macro prowess.>enjoy playing Doorman>but don't because might as well be handing game agency to monkeysJust fucking end me man.
playing yamato right now is like pulling teeth
>>550381073this is why I no longer play support, brazilian monkeys are not worthy of my help
>>550381073I apologize beforehand if you match with me later, I will be trying to do the challenge the next few days so you will probably see me feed.I'm here grabbing all the guides suggested by deathy right now, and I already imagine me suffering playing lash, holliday or sinclair. >>550381342Me liking to play spirit ivy but being forced to be carry or go gun ivy to at least help splitpushing in my teams, I get you.
>>550381342Argiebro? Consider using a VPN to play in NA instead, it's what I'm doing and match quality is raised hundredfold.
>>550381594I'm taking this as an opportunity to learn proper carry heroes. I realized I always fall into supportive roles in team-based games and I want to see if I can move past that
>>550381857>he will gracefully carry the monkesGodspeed anon.
Damn, Yoshi let's you have 2 hyper carries and a Shiv?
>>550379491No. They just reused the candle he holds in his hand for a prop in the hideout.
>>550382302i know a geist abuser isnt complaining about a shiv
>>550382476Abuser? I haven't played as her in like a month.
>>550381073>>550381342yeah yuros think russians are bad but that's cause they never had to play with braziliansabsolutely fucking braindead retards, i have to tardwrangle them with pings and if they ignore pings we just lose every time
>forced to by troon cooldown because its op>forced to buy 4 actives because troon cooldown affects them>forced into the same actives because they are op>now all my builds are almost the same through no fault of my own
>try to do abrams ornament first>vyper, haze, infernus, mo on the enemy teamokay guess i'll try that one another time
>>550383451FUN FACT: trans cooldown also affects passive cooldowns (like counterspell and torment pulse)this widens its utility significativelyconsider this when buying items
there are ‘people’ who pretend this is an actual update/patch
>>550383836but muh decorations that force you to play shit you don't like
>move speed now stacks diminishinglyit's actually unironically overthis game is dead
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/12-16-2025-update.93983/
>>550384358aaaaaAaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>Lady Geist nerfsDon't touch my love!
>>550384358here's your christmas update
>>550384141>AND nerf every single move speed/sprint buff and base movement and sprint and the spirit scaling speed heroes have (except wraith sprint that one gets a slap on the wrist)
>>550384358>spirit nerfed even more
next patch prediction: now heroes cannot move when they are shot also reduced all spirit scaling by 90% and nerfed every spirit item and gun now ignores 30% resist by default
>Getting hit while on Jump Pad during the window now deals 15% max hp damage
>>550384358>kill wall jumping>kill sprinting>kill walkingwhat's next?
>>550385096>kill the game
>>550384358Based and objectively correct balance patch
>>550385096we thought the game was dota but in reality they just want to make counter strikenext up is 0% accuracy if you are moving and not crouching, plus 0 seconds TTK
Movementsisters, did we get too cocky???It w-wasn't suppoosed to be like this ...!!Emergency meeting in the cord NOW
>>550385186anon... (what the fuck is this new captcha)
>>550384358The billy nerfs feel very nothing burger but I have no brain.
>hating on movement speed nerfsdid you guys not play the same patch i was playing, where fleetfoot + any mspd item was enough to turn you into a roaming god that committed absolutely nothing when going to a part of the map because you could just activate fleetfoot, jump through a vent and turn a 1v1 anywhere into a 3v1 gangbang
>>550385480>fleetfoot + any mspd item was enough to turn you into a roaming godand that's a good thing
stamina mastery on everyone patch i guess
>>550384358>nerf spirit AGAIN>nerf movement AGAIN>OP m1s get a slap on the wristwhy the fuck did they even make this game if they just want to make another hero shooter?
>>550385480also needless to say fleetfoot + holding W takes no skill and no thought compared to any tech that requires you to be in the air
>Shrines health increased from 3000 to 7000>Killing both enemy shrines will now make all of your troopers stronger (30% hp and 30% damage)cool shrines finally DO SOMETHING
>>550384358>Billy: Chain Gang will now break slightly faster when target is out of LOSAgain?
>>550384358>Lady Geist: Essence Bomb self damage spirit scaling reduced from 1.6 to 1.8>reduced from 1.6 to 1.8
>>550384358>spirit nerfed>movement nerfeddeadlock is now a tower simulator. you can't move and you can only shoot from your assigned position
>>550385589spirit nerfs were compensation for taking away health gained thru vit investment and weapon/spirit items, it's kind of whatever
Rip maj leap but that collosus change seems interesting also rushing vit 4.8k will be much better
so the vit scaling change benefits swuishy heroes a lot right?mokrill at max green investment and boons would have about the same hp it used to, but someone like mina would gain what would be equivalent to +~90% base HP
>urn buffed>resist while carrying buffed to 50%>you can buy bullet and spirit resilience and be unkillable with urnMight just pvp with it and fuck turning it in
Choosing all the heroes I barely play to start the challenge with made me realize how few heroes I play.
>>550374949If u gonna nerf movement then nerf wraith teleport too. She is impossible to catch if there is less than 3 people. Slowing hex doesnt fucking matter.
it's fucking over for tankbuster
>>550386464Tried that yesterday. Got two heroes I never play and got stomped twice. I'm gonna start with my mains and work my way down
>>550384358>Gun meta>Nefr spirit more to make gun meta even more retarded
>More indirect Lash nerfs
>>550386464I tried to do this and got Bebop as a first, i already want to end this "challange"... Bebop is so fucking weak.
>>550380353>click to get IQ test>v*rification not required
>>550386782>>550386953Might as well delete Yamato from the game at this point.
>>550386953>gun meta...and other things seekers believe
>>550384358>Getting hit while on Jump Pad during the window now deals 15% max hp damageWhat in the goddamn? I thought the stun was enough
>>550374949>Spirit nerfs while I have to play fuck ass grey talon for Christmas challengeFuck you yoshit
>>550387420gun talon is sleeper op
they fucked it up againyurusanai...
retards on this board be like:>WAAAH DEATH BALL META WAAAH PLAYERS ARE ROTATING TOO FAST WAAAHHHValve be like ok then we nerf movement speed>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>550387258Pads are death traps now.Cant wait to kill somebody jumping on a pad from +50% with 1 spirit nuke +1 bullet
>>550384358Why are they kneecapping movement across the board?Movement was mainly make or break for the highest ranks isn’t it? You hardly see anyone mid to low actually prancing around at 30 mph using the movement system
Goodness what a fabulous bitch
>>550387701>/dlg/ is one personyou are such a fucking retard
>>550387747Every low rank bebop does that. Also fleetfoot and enduring speed are in literally every hero build in every rank
>>550387234m1gger downplayers get the rope
>>550388019>Also fleetfoot and enduring speed are in literally every hero build in every rankbecause it makes the game fun not because they are op
>>550387234Do people actually think we're not in a gun meta? Go to the watch tab and open any live Eternus game, 4/6 people will be building orange per team at least
>>550388261M1ggers cope about it by saying >"BUT LOOK THE WRAITH AND INFERNUS AND GEIST ARE BUYING SPIRIT ITEMS"Like they're not doing 90% of their damage with their gun and the spirit items are there to compliment that because gun heroes and gun items get to double dip and have the best of both worlds and deal mixed damage, something spirit can't do for shit.
>>550388234op = fun
Time to re-install dota, lads
Farming mmr from you worthless onetrickers rn....
>>550385342the real movement is stamina management, movespeed is a crutch for alchemist players that just walk in a straight line to get places
>>550389175what's wrong with being alchemist...? asking for a friend
>>550384358>the entire christmas update are just nerfswhy would they do that exactly, I don't understand.
whyd they murder shiv
>>550389361Metaphorical coal for the abusers
movement just feels fucking awful now, I don't see the reasoning behind these changes
>>550388261dotards keep to dotaoverwatch players and other m1 gamers moved to deadlock and they are very vocaldevs listen to complaintsgame becomes m1 game
>>550389663Rotations were too fast, simple as
First row completed
>>550389502because he was (and probably still is) completely broken
>>550390547make the maps bigger, problem solved
>>550390556
why can't they be fuck to put their patch notes IN THEIR FUCKING GAME
>>550384358>"Killing both enemy shrines will now make all of your troopers stronger (30% hp and 30% damage)"Why does Yoshi love snowballing so much
>>550390708that is basically the same as slowing down movement in terms of making you spend more time travelling to points in the map and has the additional shitbonus of making stamina/air vent/item/skill usage to move less meaningful while also keeping the ridiculous inequality in how easy it is to escape across the cast
>>550384358>everyone praises the movement in deadlock>consistently nerf the movement every patchI genuinely think they want the game to fail. why else would they make the game so boring? make the movement worse, make abilities worse, encourage basic m1 playstyles and afk farming for 20 minutes. if I wanted to play a shooter I'd play probably anything else. the things that make deadlock unique and interesting keep getting fucking nerfed.
>>550390732how long will doing all of them take, gotta be a good while
>>550391149They dont want another dota with games lasting 40+ minutesThats the same reason mid boss is OP
>>550391270>we want games to end faster>cut movespeed across the board
>>550390708The secondary issue is the massive gap between noobs and veterans, big map on the old movement means noobs have worse experience Plus they already redid the map
>>550391242About a week. I did these 8 in 2 days
>No Infernus nerfs>No Haze nerfs>Wraith only gets a slap on the wrist This game is unironically DOA at this rate
>>550386782>Hurts full health enemies more than it used to>Hurts low health enemies less than it used toI can live with it.
i bet all the movespeed and hp nerfs are so they can try and win over casual players in the next patch so street brawl isn't just queue bloat
>>550387950Tips for playing Geist? I haven't been having luck as her today.
Hitler never died, he just changed his name to Yoshi and moved to Washington
>double down on the slow on bullet change (everyone hated it)>nerf all movement speed EXCEPT victor's and warden's>throw ANOTHER majestic leap nerf at the end of all the movement nerf cuz why not fuck it>add just raw damage on vent falls instead of altering the trajectory to make it more easily punishable >instead of buffing movement tech/stamina use to make up for movespeed nerfs, nerf HP so if you get caught up, you straight up die, deathballs even worseraped game
>>550391707Its a fuckhuge nerf. No exaggeration in the bottom 10 items now
>FIX DEATH BALLING NOW OR IM KILLING MYSELF!!!>NOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!
>>550392135mein fuhrer, the patch...
Movementkeks status?
>>550391425I'm playing other videogames though...
When is the fat panda getting added?
>>550392805So what the hell am I supposed to replace it with on lash? I'm so tired of this nigga getting fucked every patch.
>>550392124She just got hit with some nerfs. I would just say don't play bomb like a noob. Gun or hybrid
How the fuck is Metro eternus 6??
>>550393054ALL DEAD
>>550384358>kill movement>force everybody to buy movement items thanks to the stupid bullet slow>nerf speed bonus so no more fun shit like Racecar Warden or SpeedamoWhy? Just why kill one of the best parts of Deadlock because you dont want to nerf Mina, Pocket or any other slippery fucker.
>>550393308Torment pulse
inhouse to test the new patch (doko)
>>550393308Greater Expansion for a more 1 to 1 replacement (u can get mystic expansion early)
>bebop sucks>they change his bomb to give him tons of speed>have fun running around really fast >build isn't even good for anything other than running away>yoshi detects someone having fun on bebop, nerfs all movement as punishment>went from 30m/s on meme build to 19m/sthats my bad I was trying to have fun and not press m1 all day long sorry yoshi!
>>550393054The most hilarious thing about movement tears is they have nowhere to go. Back to apex? LMAO
>>550393627thats the power of wraith>>550393308you still buy it
>>550393812the bullet slow now only effects movespeed that you bought from items, it's the opposite
>>550393967inhouse is on hold due to weak mental
>>550394502list of quitters so we ban them from the inhousing
>>550391149>>550391270That is not fucking good game design though. They're literally building anti fun mechanics at this rate.I played Dota and we nearly lost once, but managed to win a team fight in our base and got an amazing comeback. That right there was fun. Who the fuck cares how long a game goes on if you can still manage a win
i hope yoshi's family gets raped and decapitated in front of him
Here's the break-even points for the hp scaling changes, as long as you have LESS base health it's a net buff.Someone with more work ethic than me want to chart out exactly which points are a net loss for each character? Obviously M&K are the biggest losers but what about the rest?>>550393308it sucks for your finishing power but as long as you're combo'ing people above 2/3 hp it's a net gain.This new captcha is broke as fuck this post took me 20 tries to get through>hurrr you suck at the captcha!no the fucking thing WON'T LOAD
>"Movement" shooter>Look inside>No movement
What's happening today? This is the 3rd match like this.
>Geist>already one of the least mobile heroes in the game>nerf her mobility even more Bros... why do they hate the sexy lady?
>>550394928>lane kill bounties raised>base urn value increasedwe love snowballing here at valve
>>550394928>cheater uideserved
>>550394823>item doesnt work when u need itIts dead Jim, throw it in the trash with decay
greena got omega buffed>vit breakpoint>everyone is slow
>>550394823i did a quick calc between mokrill and mina (lowest and highest base health at max boons respectively)>mokrillbefore patch: (900 base + 63*35 for boons) * 1.56 = 4844 HP at max boons and full green investmentafter patch: (900 base + 63*35 for boons) + 1400 = 4505 HP at max boons and full green investment>minabefore patch: (630 base + 28*35 for boons) * 1.56 = 2512 HP at max boons and full green investmentbefore patch: (630 base + 28*35 for boons) + 1400 = 3010 HP at max boons and full green investmentdoesn't seems like that much, but when you compare it as if they were % changes the difference is super clear: mina is actually gaining equivalent to +86.9% HP from the new vit investment, while mokrill are only gaining +45%it helps squishies but it's not THAT harsh on tanky dudes, abrams gets like ~10 flat HP more now for examplewould say it's a good change, but this pack of nigger heroes are the ones that benefit the most kill yoshi
>>550394928Well this went well.
>nerf tankbusterwas this really necessary?
>>550396692the only strictly necessary nerf was billy and reverting the global 10% gun buff, but this yoshi nigger is getting his dick sucked by streamers to do anything but that
>>550396380>only checked max boons & investmentThe biggest effect of the nerf is on people only building one or 2 green items, like most carries only getting boots and maybe debuff remover.M&K are also getting less than you'd think due to combo's bonus health no longer getting investment boosts.
>>550396692Yea id say so, for pick rate reasons not winrate
>>550396975they already went back on the gun buff by 5%
>it now takes mirage 0.1s longer to do 500 damage 8 minutes inoh thank god I was worried for a second there!
>>550397082i figured the idea of the change was to incentivize heroes that usually neglect green because it's shit on them to buy it moremaybe i should make a detailed spreadsheet
Trying a new mirage opener , if deathball truly is dead maybe I swap the heroic aura for cultist. After this point I go Transcendent>infuser>Spiritual overflow. Tried to keep it data driven using statlocker item winrates
>>550397871It's applied each stack so askshully its 0.3s
>>550397871>>550398173Still a shit skill that needs reworked/removed., but that .1 could be the difference between making it to cover or not.
>>550398173people will unironically say he's shit now and then he will get buffed AGAIN
>>550397908It just makes sense from the math's perspective because you want vit peaking alongside spirit in the mid game but % means it was peaking later.
>>5503749495 games since patch, not a single win :)
Bro what the fuck, they nerfed the fuck out of movement AGAIN?! WHY?!
>>550363869seems like they're using "holidays" as a catch-all term that fits all heroes no matter their background, and then use "christmas" specifically to refer to catholics in-game (for now thats Ivy, she gets a hero specific "merry christmas" voice line from the shopkeeper)
>>550398664sameI'd say it's time to quit the game but we know how that goessee you faggots tomorrow
>>550387701nerfing movespeed makes this more of a deathball meta, not less. how am I supposed to actually escape a splitpush when 2-3 people take the zipline into my lane if I can't move
This feels like one of those patchs with a million lines in the patch notes that ultimately does nothing
>>550399445You're wrong and I dont care to elaborate
>>550399445you can start by using your movement keys
Why is half this thread incapable of understanding the patchnotes?
>>550400036>the one thing they didn't nerf was air momentum so the second I see someone coming off the zip they just airdash directly onto my head because movement is heavily nerfed>they shoot me 1 time (my movement is now slower then theirs) and then chain cc/popups/move slows because every other character has at least one of these, so now I can't move at all>they also nerfed hp for 90% of the roster due to item changes so I die>they rape me in 5s and take the zip somewhere elsewraith is going to be in every game even more now because she can still teleport down the entire lane + disjoint attempts to catch her every 13s
Don't mean to brag, but this new patch is entirely my fault.
>>550401249>nerf all the high skill movement>people still want to actually play the game instead of playing the handful of characters who can just stand and deliver so they stack movespeed>nerf that tooB O I L I N GF ROG
>>550401249how about instead, Yoshi just reverts all the walljump nerfs?stupid nigger.
>>550401357>nerf all the high skill movementSo dramatic. All they did was make walljumps cost 0.25 stamina and kill HMC dude
>>550401457and completely redesign the map multiple times to make it so there's less of an advantage for using movement tech vs holding forward and dash jumping if you're feeling saucy
>stamina nerfed >stamina buckets>wall bouncing nerfs>melee nerfs>movespeed nerfs>cooldown reduction nerfsthis game was 100% more fun a year agoI'm concerned
>>550398915my tard trad christian garg gf :)
>>550401750he's retarded don't bother
>>550401457They also made repeated walljumps very expensive
>>5504021082024 july/august (before the steam alpha announcement) and post 6-heroes before jump pad stun were the 2 best states the game has been in
>>550402967it's been a steady downward spiral since fall last year.
>>550403038yeah that's basically what i said but new heroes = fun
>everyone is slow>spirit sucks>gun builds onlywhy are they trying to make the game boring and why should I not just play some other third person shooter instead of this? it'll be the same except you don't have to farm for 20 minutes every match
>>550403214one or more of mina/paige/billy have been absurdly strong since their inclusion, makes the game more static and thus less fun.
inhouse?
>>550403798P4VVG
>>550403325Exactly, which is why I did just so. I'll check back on the game with the new major patch
>>550401750Schizo
does anyone have a high level snowball yet?does it actually do damage eventually?
>>550404449max is 20 damage per charge
>>55040444920 damage x 3 projectiles with 5 charges. it seems insane for early jungle.
>>550404887>100 spirit damage against jungle with 30% spirit damage reduction>insane
>>550405343>20 x 3 x 5 = 100having trouble multiplying, I see.
>>550374949Viscous players all act like they're a wholesome chungus until you say faggot or nigger
inhouse upN2RTY
>>550405573but anon, I'm the one calling people niggerfaggots. Usually Yoshi because he hates my character
>>550405720lobby got raped by a leavernew inhouse code7XD6V
>>550404449>>55040488720 damage is literally less than a single bullet a minute one.
>league added WASD movementbye deadlock never playing again bye dlg
>>550406236It's free damage. Better players than you or I will optimize better jungle routes with it.
>>5504060877/12 INHOUSE7XD6V
>>550406540>we have League players in heregrim
>>550406690i have never played league in my life cause i dont play point and click rancid dogshit.
>>550406540wait until deadlock adds mouse movement and top down viewit's headed that way with movement nerfs
>>550406540Took them that long?
Movement nerf = Doorman upscale
>>55040668110/12 inhouse7XD6V
>what if dota but with high-skill 3D movement and shooting>nerf the movement all the time
>>550407126moba babies can't handle afps, even in a gimped form
>>550407126they nerfed W keyingsad day for shitters
Sorry bros it isn't skillful movement to run with fleet foot or some shitYoshi might actually want you to interact with the environment and have decent positioning to have a chance at getting away or chasing someone down
Next update will introduce weapon bloom so you have to slow down or stop moving to shoot accurately.It will also introduce mana costs for abilities
>New CaptchaBlack Women of Valve status?
>>550407339>muh skillful movementSo why was melee cancelling and corner boosting nerfed
+1 7XD6VThat means YOU!
if your game's basic speed becomes incredibly slow but you have sketchy movement tricks to juke people or dodge shots the game is still slowhigh basic movement speed enables fast fun tricks
>>550407351>mana costs for abilitieswould unironically strangle the game before it had a real chance
>>550407125need literally one more7XD6V
>>550407519Cornerboosting is straight up retarded which they removed it altogether
>>550407519>Why was bullshit and dumb shit nerfedWe may never actually know
>>550407660>uhh this skillful movement was dumb tholmao, kys
>>550407728>Holding crouch is skillful Yeah, true, my badYou win
what got me into this game was all the movement shenanigans, juking people, outplay opportunities using the map basicallyinevitably removing/hurting moment removes those opportunities that's just how it works
>>550407810When did I say to hold crouch lil bro
>>550407646What about AMMO costs for abilities?
Add mana costsAmmoWeapon durabilityLimb based damage that requires souls to heal at new medical stations (concussions from receiving too much head damage, slower movement from leg damage)
desu being able to join every fight almost instantly was kind of retarded
no we need to go further not only do you have movement based spreadwe will also bring back the classic, long-forgotten mechanic of spread based on how fast you move your mouse. you want to shoot people? you will crouch. you will slowly turn. you will wait until your crosshair contracts. and ONLY THEN will you take the shot
make the map bigger
>>550407339Going fast is fun though. Cant imagine how soulless you have to be to not enjoy going fast for its own sake
>>550408342This would've been the correct choice, the only reason they're didn't opt for this is because it was much easier to just tweak numbers
>100% of the complaints are aggressively low iqBasically confirming this patch is good
>>550408257um, no, you fat fucking retard, i should be able to be everywhere all the time
>100% of the complaints are aggressively high IQBasically confirming this patch is shit.
>>550408472>nghghn but you see... in the context of the game design... you have to consider all the variablesmonkey brain happy when go fast dipshit
>>550408540Maybe if you were as fat as him you would be everywhere all the time.
So when are we removing Dynamo's knock up from his stomp?
Add weather effects too. If it rains your gun gets slippery and you drop it. If it snows your stamina regen and hp regen are reduced. If it's hot and you're playing Mo then he can spontaneously suffer a heart attack from heat stroke and die
I'm reading the patch notes now. Looks like this is definitely going to be a tank meta. Before this update the shop vitality bonuses weren't really that strong because it only gave you a % of your BASE health, not all of your health combined. So lets say i'm Lash, I have 15k. That gives me 1600 health (not counting items). In the old shop, if I put 4800 into vit items my health I would get a +34% health bonus. That would theoretically give me +500~ health right? Well no because Lash's starting health is 700 and its multiplied by that which gives me 200~ health. Right now hitting 4800 invested gives you 525. Retardedly massive buff
>>55040623620 x 3. That's more than boonless doorman headshots at when standing at snowball throwing range. And the range for that also improves apparently.As the other anon says. It's free damage. You can fire it off when you're reloading. And it doesn't take much damage to be significant at the laning phase.
>>550408768>Paige's swords get bullet drop in the rain cause her books are wet
>>550408912But Mo has 900 starting hp so doesn't this change result in heroes like him getting less HP?
the more i think about it the more it feels like this patch was a ouroboros of compensation nerfs for dumb changes that add up to just making TTK longer while also letting you kill people during that longer period by just making them slower...hence spirit nerf too because burst makes TTK low. or maybe they thought more shit going off cooldown during a fight would make it too strong. what a confusing pile of shit
>>550409713I miss when I could just one shot people as lash off the old museum on the old map. The good ol days
>>550409713>neutrals get more spirit res>health scaling increased>movespeed lowered>cult sac & sinner sac nerfedall of this is just a roundabout way to buff guns, anon.
>actually chud the dev team in their almighty wisdom nerfed dishonest, unskilled movement!!are we just pretending like they didn't nerf the fuck out of "high skill" movement weeks ago? it's all movement they're actually just making the game slower, predictable and more boring. and I don't even know who they are trying to appease here
>>550407810>>550407931I thought you said holding crotch for a second
>>550408768>>550409018
they actually buffed base movement during fights since your base movement speed is no longer reduced by the bullet damage slow
>>550410502what would ivys shit taste like bros
>>550410709indian has posted
>>550410849im from el salvador
>>550410883that's like the india of the americas
>>550410983thats not true, india of america is literally california
>>550410883same thing. the captcha has failed it's over
>>550411019that's the israel of america (author's note: both israel and india are in asia)
just one more movement nerf and magic carpet will be a good item
>>550411107i have 4chan pass
another inhouse?
>>550411201this nerf made magic carpet worse, I used to play carpet abrams by maxing out movespeed items and getting behind the enemy team but now i'm slower
im doing all hero shit and have to win with ivy, holy shit gun ivy feels so bad how does anyone do damage with this crapTHIS NEW CAPTCHA SUCKS ASS DAMN
>>550406236>>550404887>>550404449>turn a bullet into a cooldown skill that does no damage>guntards freak outzozzle
>>550409421No. Do the math yourself. lvl 5 shop bonus gave +34% base health, new one gives +525 health. If Mo's base health is 900, he only got 300 health before. If we compare the MAX SHOP BONUS of +56% health...that's only 504. The highest base health hero in the game gets more health from 4800 vit item investment now than he did by spending 28k prior to this patch. It's a fucking tank meta if i've ever seen one but I also think importantly, lower health heroes are less punished for buying vit now since the health bonuses are fully equalized now. Which means squishy carries like haze for example can have close to comparable health to other naturally healthy heroes
>>550411312just play spirit 9/11 ivy
>>550411293I just hosted one and the update raped the lobby and kicked everyone
>>550410709She doesn't have a butthole.
>>550411412i thought that was complete meme tier garbage? dont get me wrong its fun flying and shitting bombs but i last played ivy 6 months ago
Is Gun Kelvin dead?
>>550408912>>550411343any prooves on the old investment bonus being only your lvl1 hp? If that is how it worked then it's a significant change but I'm skeptical that's how it used to work.
>>550411479Just use AverageJonas or Metro builds.
>>550411621>just use (gay faggot) or (tranny nigger) buildsnah
>>550411621when has either of them played ivy?
This patch fucking sucks, if the big January patch doesn't fix the deathball I might just give up on this game seeing as how it clearly has no future.
>>550411479don't do what this >>550411621 nigger saysi mean buying boundless and shidding like 2k damage with torment pulse and kudzu -> ult bomb -> stone form -> cold front/fartict blast
>>550411773I really implore you to, you'll find they are quite suited to someone of your intellect.
>>550411434dangreally wanted to run another
>>550411832Tell me how you'd fix deathball
wheres my tahm kench hero
>>550411620The only way to prove it would be to look at pre-patch footage and manually add all of the health bonuses from levels/items/shop bonuses. I'm too lazy too but it would be easy to check a random stream
>>550412347Make the Walkers and Guardians actual bosses instead of stationary targets. It's crazy to watch a Vyper slither off in the middle of a fight and take a walker from full to 0 faster then it's possible to even get to her.
>>550411904host again maybe people join
>>550412347nerf sources of sustain that benefit roaming such as fort or lifesteal
>>550412474uh, fucking bump????
>>550411620>>550412742I actually forgot I took screenshots when I learned about this like 2 weeks ago. Anyways, I am slightly wrong. The old shop bonus added a % of your base health which factors in health gained from levels. In an example I have 4800 spent on Billy. At lvl 1, his base health is 790 and in-game it says the shop bonus adds 269, that's +34% if you do the math. But then I calculated it when he was lvl 13 and had 790 base health + 559 from levels = 1349 base health, +34% of that equals 459 bonus shop health. Now with this knowledge, lets see how much health someone would've gotten in the old system with the same level. I'll pick calico, 650 starting health, 37 health per boon so 37x13=481+650=1131 x +34% = 385 health gained from shop bonus. The number difference between these two heroes would be much higher at max level.So the new shop bonus is more of an equalizer. High base health heroes got nerfed while lower health heroes got buffed.
>>550404449Mine doesn't upgrade at all while in a match, only in safe house
>>550374949>more nerfs to movementjust come out of the closet yoshi, admit you hate it
>>550384358So what do they want mirage to be at this point? He's fine in lane, his midgame is middling, his late game is dependent on how far ahead he is of the rest of the lobby, but he's not like Wraith or Seven
/d2g/ is laughing at us
>>550407265>this fag doesn't know what movement isgo back to redit
tanked
>>550414259>-Movement Rework>-Heroes and troopers now move via ziplines at all stages of the game. >-Getting shot no longer exits ziplining as non-zipline movement no longer exists. Instead the damaged entity will be slowed 100%.>-Going to non-standard zipline routes such as Midboss require a collective vote requiring unanimous results.
>client out of dateclient out of date>client out of dateclient out of date>client out of dateclient out of date>client out of dateclient out of date>client out of dateclient out of date
>>550414440no they're not
>>550414862I will play your mod when it comes out zipline anon
>>550414440>deadlock dota idorthaha. I only laught at [spoler] marvel rivals [/spoiler] I would also laught at league but I play aram with my wife so I can't
>>550415284The most tilting thing about this game unironically
>>550414717Why does The Lash have a tail?
my 1v6 unga bunga billy...
>>550411343The only thing I can think of right now is how fucking gross Green Shiv probably is.
Every character had to play around rotating as fast as possible, holding your ground on a lane felt like a complete waste because you could actually run to the nearest team fight and then come back to clear the wave in time. We'll see how much this patch changes that but that's what the game felt like these past few weeks.
>>550416361How does one "tank" as Billy?
>>550416824whack em
>>550416824Same as any other tank in the game: healing himself by attacking.
>>550416824by playing against seekers who don't know that you can parry
>>550414484Movement is how you use your dashes, walljumps and movement abilities and items."""Movement""" is when you buy Enduring Speed + Fleetfoot + Heroic Aura and hold W key and escape everyone.
>Need Holliday for the snowglobeWhat build do I run on this broad?
>>550417839bomb and ult max
>>550417681>doubles down on reddit descriptions>doesn't know what tech is and how its related to movement>by his retarded logic strafing isn't movement>doesn't know what momentun is and how it affects techlike i said, go back and stay there
>When I first started it took over 100 games to go from initiate to alchemist>Now all of a sudden blitzing threw levels Is this normal or is the matchmaking just that fucked?
>>550418395you're maliciously steamrolling over honest hollidaychallengechads
>>550418598But I'm also doing the Holiday challenge...
>>550418689how did you unlock abrams jr?
>>550418753You have to write a 800 word essay to Yoshi about why Infernus is a mid tier at best and then he gives you access to the second layer of test servers that still has Raven and Wrecker
>>550418826>that still has Raven and Wrecker>
>>550416960billy light melee is faster then the already literally unreactable baseline, you just have to guess and if you guess wrong you get to eat a heavy melee for free
>Another match of turning the game into a 6v5 by rage baiting the enemy ShivIt's literally too easy, retards will sit there and type while you beam their brains open
if im normally in archon and oracle gamesand theres no restrictionshow about i queue with you ritualist niggas and we knock some character out huh?
the best thing i can tell you to tilt someone into leaving is >its okay>its not a big deal>its finei learned them from my father, i love him but i dont live with him
>>550384358>fleetfoot is too powerful>let's nerf movespeed>more people buy it because without it their character moves like they pooped their pants>there's too much deathball>let's nerf movespeed>deathball gets stronger because it's harder to escape once you get gone on, harder to rotate in once you see a deathball forming, and harder to rat because you can't get in/out as fast>spirit is still too strong (t. -devs)>let's nerf movespeed>spirit gets stronger because giant AOE spells (especially DOTs) are harder to escapethese devs are fucking retarded lmao
What's worse, a retard who runs in and dies then complains or a non-committal pussy who needs the perfect engagement before he participates in a team fight and is dead silent the whole match?
>>550418395did you play when they recalibrated?people wont remember how bad that matchmaking was
>>550420848I can't believe these are the same people who looked at the pick rate on Ammo Scavenger and went, "Yea probably the best way to deal with this is just make part of the effect of the item a standard game mechanic and remove the item". Like Yes, No Shit that's exactly what you should do with an auto-pick item.So then for Enduring Speed or Fleetfoot they go "uhhh just make ALL movespeed stuff worse that'll definitely get people to buy the two defining movespeed items less instead of even more".
>>550420393sorry I've got my shit kicked in enough for today and got carried as a haze for the ornament
>>550420859Neither, take the latter and then have them complain all match about how people aren't doing enough, also they play Haze or Infernus and are sub 1k objective damage by the end of the match and have less than 5 kills.
>/lolg/ is literally just unrironic porn spamhow come they are allowed to post porn there
>>550421508janitors must be stuck in their hole unless someone get reported
>>550421508what else is there to talk about in league besides muh ebin anime waifu #3, muh ebin anime waifu #72 and muh ebin anime waifu #529? muh ebin yordle waifu #45?
>>550421508LoL is a dogshit game there's nothing to talk about gameplay-wiseit also has abhorrently generic, shitty and boring worldbuilding/characters but at least some of the characters are sexy so it's just a porn dump
>>550421806im a tahm kench enjoyer
>>550421508There's nothing of value to talk about, I respect that they use their thread for something of value (porn) instead of pretending to care about lol in 2025.
>>550422250Nevermind I take it back, I checked and it's all AI slop and 3dpd race slop
ok challenge over, that was EZ
>>550422308>AI slop and 3dpd race slopthat is grim
>>550422308>4chan 2025 year in review
>>550407965This could be interesting!
>>550422740thatd be so fucking aids
So who's currently the fastest character in the game? Or do I just start playing dash infernus.
>>550421042yeah fleetfoot should be removed and its passive should be an inherent character trait for everyone
>40k souls down>comebackhell yeahprops to the 1/11 mina on my team, the 3/9 yamato in the enemy team and the 14/7 pocket in my team saying it was their first match with these characters
what is this shit
>>550423180False equivalence. I am not a game developer, I don't have to provide specifics of the implementation of the solution while I am pointing out that they are doing exactly the wrong thing to solve the problem.Their current version of solving the Ammo Scavenger problem would be to globally reduce all heroes base ammo, and the +max ammo across all items.
has it been long enough for people to realize the movement nerf is a nothing burger or will it take until tomorrow for window lickers to use their braincells
>>550424272t. Yoshi
>default aspect ratioslow as shit>r_aspectratio "3"im going fuckin fast every move is important
>>550420859The latter obviously. Farming is more useful than being dead & feeding kills
The snowball does not upgrade in actual matches. Mine has stayed level 0 every time
>>550374949is spirit mcginnis really that bad rn
does shiv execute ignore barriers
>>550418157Incredibly sad day for shitters like you, I get it. You might actually have to learn the game now.
>>550423180Yes.If everyone is fast, the only people complaining about not being able to escape are retards with skill issues.
>Seeker 1 game>enemy is nearly 30k ahead at 18 minutes, with a 17-kill leadWho enjoys this? Legitimately, where is the fun in this scenario? What retard has fun in a game that's decided in the first 5 fucking minutes?
>>550420848write a forum post about it if it truly concerns you
>>550423525Bebop hard at work moderating the Bear Pits forums banning Lash alt accounts
>>550423180God I wish
>>550423525>only shows the steam announcements and not the forum posts with the ACTUAL up to date changesbreh
>>550426248Relative to orange and green, yes. On-spirit proc items are fine, just whatever you do don't go for raw spirit damage.
>>550423671i was unironically agreeing with you, I actually believe what I said
>>550384358Very retarded. The whole fun of this game is the movement. Do these devs realize that you need variety to have a fun game? I think they need to remove the slow shit. Because they are removing all skill from the game. If I'm losing I like to spec into speed to go FAST so I can solo objs or take heat from my alies, doing so I'm less powerful and more squishy. The reason why I play deadlock is that I can play around with builds and have variety.So speed is required and maybe stamina because how they nerfed it.
>>550423525thats BIG CUPPA
Imagine arguing about this unbalanceable unfixable game when you could be playing marvel rivals (a skill based hero shooter) instead
>>550428274a press ult based mobile game you mean
>>550428551https://youtu.be/ucWEIWjYZio?until shiv can do this just as fast, marvel rivals is still better
>>550428551>gets dynamo refresher ulted>gets billy pulled into 10 melees if you ever miss a parrywaoow so skill based
>>550426248McGinnis kinda sucks in general. Slow as fuck. Her M1 is trash compared to most of the other big M1 Heroes. Like, if you're roughly even souls and Orange items with someone, there's a high chance, no matter what you do, you still lose. Support McGinnis you do get a GIANT 3% HP per second heal with a 75% fire rate booster on top.
550428957haha upvoted bro that was epic for the win
>>550428957Max Dash, Superior Cooldown, Echo Shard.
there should be a 6k stamina mastery upgrade that gives you a wallrun
>>550428957he used to be able to do this but redditors cried due to their poor positioning giving him resets
>>550429643How about an item that makes you turn 360 degrees and walks away toward the marvel rivals game instead
your teammate for todays game sir he will feed haze and you will be happy
>>550429076Not that guy but there's no fucking way youre trying to convince me to play Marvel Rivals over Deadlock, this game will never get to a point where I would do thay to myself
>>550430438>>550430438please please im begging you take as many drooling niggers off of my game and back to your chinkslopthis is me genuinely begging, advertise rivals as much as you can here you're doing gods work
>>550430624The games are pretty close in kit design being fun but unfortunately deadlock traps you in matches with people like this >>550430509 for 30+ minutes. In marvel rivals the matches are 10 mins or less WITH a surrender button. Yeah I'll probably be back if the devs somehow make the games not all one sided stomps decided by who feeds who the hardest in lane and the few minutes after lane, but I havent seen anything indicating they know how to.
>movespeed is back to where it was a year ago before they started powercreeping it every patch to placate 3 lane complaintsthe balance team is just fucking with us
When are they adding the ability for me to lay prone to ambush people? Flying around with a sniper is not realistic
The movespeed stuff is baffling because this means that slow effects are going to be MUCH stronger....and guess which items reduce slow effects?....oh look it's enduring speed and fleetfoot!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBmClCPOHeUoutlived another onereminder this will never ever happen to deadlock because yoshi has a brain disease that requires him to torture players to live
wtf pocket is insanely fun actually...
>>550431529Deadlock will be nearly as big as dota when it hits 1.0 and there isn't any logic to thinking otherwise and that includes bitching about the current balance decisions when literally anything can be changed and the game isn't even a year away from release
>>550431790>and there isn't any logic to thinking otherwisePre-release Dota 2 never had the kind of drops in activity Deadlock has had?
i wanted a character with a big fucking sword not a shitty rapierdexfags gtfo
>>550431897Literally incomparable situations
>>550432413nuh uh he just compared them
>>550431790Dota 2 is a casual game that can be enjoyed after hard day. There is nothing casual about deadlock at any point of the game. Moba players dont like it, shooter players dont like it, there's some weird very tiny sliver of a venn diagram that like what they've taken from both.
kino
>>550431790>literally anything can be changedYeah, they can change anything, including making it worse with every update, a trend they've been showing more and more. You CAN change the entire game, but their dumb ass mindset will not.
>>550427253trvth, fellow gamersurely they will take my post into consideration
>need to play Doorman for the dumb challenge>opening doors causes harsh framedropsgunman save me gunman save me oh god stop giving me 2/13 bebops
>>550433112install a fps config until it looks like roblox
>>550433012they did with >>550401249
>>550431529I had no idea this was even a thing that existed
>>550428957>the MOST MECHANICAL Black Panther in Marvel Rivals>look inside>omnidirectional, extremely fast and long range dash spam wooow
what a time to be unemployed
>>550429643There should be a 6k stamina mastery that gives you unlimited stamina.
>>550428957the 180 flicks are impressive but how is shift spamming skillful exactly
>>550430848no design choice in deadlock can ever be as bad as how rivals is mathmatically designed so healers can infinite sustain anything except several people focus firing so you automatically lose if you don't have the appropriate amount of healer players and 90% of what you do in the match is just building ult meter so you can actually push the objective forward
My snowball is still not upgraded in my matches, it's just 0/32 even though I've won some games. Only in the hideout it's upgraded. What gives?
>>550431790No fucking way it does.I love Deadlock but the sad truth is that the masses absolutely hate movement. If you're wondering why the dev team has been slowly eating away at movement for a while it's because of that.Notail, a prominent Dota 2 pro, was in a stream with a streamer and talked about Deadlock and how he loved it when he first played it but didn't like how insane the movement was after everyone learned it. "It's just exhausting doing Spider-Man shit to catch anyone".You've seen this same shit happen throughout gaming history -- People just don't latch onto autistic mechanics. Titanfall was heralded as the next coming of christ years and years ago and when people got into that game and saw everyone jumping off walls and shit they dropped it.Look at Fortnite. The biggest mode now is 'No Build' because if you ask anyone (probably even a lot of people who love and play Deadlock) what they like least about Fortnite it's the building and how the moment you shoot at someone they build a castle around themselves. People don't like shooting at someone then seeing them dash slide into corner boost mantle slide dash and escape. They just close the game.
>>550434093As opposed to never being able to win a teamfight because they got a lead in the first 10 mins and it only widens from then on. Yeah...
I'm fat
>>550434330I can at least try to counterbuild or farm to make up for a hopeless fight in this game, never getting any dopeamine until I press Q is just rivals working as intended
play league with WASD instead
I'm cookin
fuck hiroshimoot
>>550433749it only works for stupid niggersthey wont listen to me
>started to do snowball holiday challenge>they completely destroy movement of every character>mfw no idea what tobuild on 3/4 of the characters
>>550434281All they have to do is remove all smurfs and you won't encounter this problem anymore.
>>550432875disgusting vile lovely creature
>>550434281A free to play valve game will always have a large player base, other projects were dropped to work on this.. presumably this is their online project for the future. If you were a betting man that would mean a large dedicated player base but one that isn't trying to or going to reach the super casual mainstream.People like n0tail are never going to be as robust a player in a game outside their comfort zone, the dude has like 50k hours Dota 2 and more in HoN and WC3 Dota. If you take his perspective but shrink the hours by 90% you have what id consider a potential deadlock player. Someone who understands complex mechanics but isn't so fish-out-of-water that a perspective change will feel completely foreign, that's probably who they're targeting. That could potentially mean only a niche community, but with how they operate I don't see it. They will keep it forever changing like Dota is, with a lot to "grind" for.At the end of the day they're one of the few (possibly only) companies that can gamble a release like this, one that's super polarizing to a lot people but definitely finds it's niche.
this entire challenge is stress testing hero mmr
with how they nerfed move speed across the board, is it time to buy picrel or arc surge+kdash combo?
for the challenge i put every hero on prio 1 and got mcginnisi went 15/1 top player damage top obj. damage top healing with some lazily scrapped together buildis miku just le good rn or what
>>550435878Bebop feels absolutely dogshit now, I'd be surprised if he didn't get some significant buffs soon. He's slow, has no damage and no escape. Speedbop is a shell of its former self it did need nerfing, it was fucking dumb but now he's got nothing.
anything below eternus 3-4 is not a real rank every lobby is filled with lobotomites
>>550436124Anon they already did this last year, it's the same shit.It's literally just a 5 second reuse of existing shit, they didn't even bother to give proper transparency and/or doing any kind of quality edits to the tree ornamentsthese devs are stealing paychecks
>>550436223>bucket 3>2 stam>innate resist deleted>big ass bodybut at least the hero got le hook right, le hook is o pee
>>550435903>All they have to do is [thing that no f2p game has ever done successfully]
too hard to play this game on dissos and i let my team down and i feel bad because i thought i could get a game in before they kicked in
>>550436223Hes one of the charcters i now need to do for challenge. Im thinking just straight up going metal skin and building gun. Worst part is im also ascended 5 which makes my games autisticly tough
nobody cared that I am fat
>>550385096I'm fuming.
>speed lowered across the board>characters with built-in teleports/dashes on their abilities unchangedlol
>>550437252erm it would be racist if wraith didn't get a 50m teleport eith a 600 health shield
>wraith barrier nerfed>but not the fucking cooldowni gotta get out of here
more movement items like maj leap are coming btw
>>550436138stamina usage is scary, i need to be able to hold w and run faster than light
>it’s another episode of your lane partner is so shit and feeds, and now you have to farm all game to keep up
How ticklish do you guys think Ivy is
>>550436046>A free to play valve game will always have a large player baseValvedrones say the most retarded shit, lmao.
>>550439542she's made of stone.go away.
>>550439617No I want to know how ticklish her body is, especially the bottoms of her feet.
They finally realized that having too good movement in a MOBA, a genre based around positioning and map coverage was silly.Welcomed, now every fight won't turn into a deathball, and split pushing will matter more, now they just need to buff walker and guardian damage.
>do green Abrams build>get bullied and lose>ignore building around my innate tankyness and instead build Hodenverstümmelung melee Abrams >winhuh
Who were the biggest winners in today's patch?Seven, Ivy, and Victor?
what's paradox build? went gun and felt anemic shifted to spirit felt ok
Why doesn’t my snowball upgrade when in a game? I won three different games with three different characters, and when I run around in the hideout I have a level 3 snowball, but when I get in game it’s just level 0 :(
>>550439890these movement changes are in prep for the base design changes. they want all sieges to be a defining moment of the game, and something that can backfire.. absurd movement without skill expression is detrimental toward that.
I hope Rem isn't real, he looks stupid and cringe
>>550440664Agreed.
SevenGODS are eating well this patch.
Getting slowly there
>>550440664rem was made up just to catch who the leakers were.that's why that shit looks so low effort.
>>550441543What dictates ornament color? Or does it not matter?
>>550441767Seeing other pictures, seems like it's just a series of red/blue/green.
>>550441543do people actually care about thisit’s not even like a keychain on your hero, just some temporary png on the main menu
alistar champ when?
>>550441885I don't really main any character. I have fun with whoever so it's not like I'm stressing to do this.
>>550442003that’s fairI saw some retard go vindicta first time, get his shit kicked in during laning, and go 0/11 underfarmedit’s crazy people will actually go through the miserable deadlock pub and meta for it
sevendogs
I got two more ornaments, lads
So we're just not going to mention how your snowball doesn't actually change in an online match and you just have a level 0 snowball regardless of how many wins you got?
The team that loses is the one that gets the most people on new heroes. This might be why you're experiencing stomps.
>>550442959id put my finger up her shithole and fucking smell
>>550442309Doesn't matter what you call us, we're still the biggest winners of this new patch.
>>550440309please advisei like to shoot with time mom
>>550440309gun supportyour character provides inherent value in the way her abilities work but her damage is subpar compared to real carries
>>550442959that's a man
>>550444060>>550442959Still would, even moreso
>>550440664this but every leaked character except venator
>>550444708fucking based, if only
>>550444708this but the entire game and its devs
It's really epic how yoshi hard nerfed spirit again and now there's no decent spirit shredding items but toxic bullets is completely untouched.
>>550445553spirit rend is decent on some heroessomeone in your team should have it
>>550445830I love spirit rend on drifter
>>550445553you can buy toxic bullets on anyone.it even does spirit damage and scales the percentage damage with spirit power.
>>550446354Let me know when every hero shoots 2372192812 bullets per second like infernus/wraith
>>550446427You know buildup is different for each hero right?
>>550446489not only that but everyone builds it up in like two seconds even with no fire rate.
>>550446427I've been getting more toxicbullet'd by Mirages that any of those two lately.
I don't have that button...
>Half way through the challenge nowHow is it fairing for you all?
>>550447925>I don't know my rights and lefts
I'm interested in learning the game. should I just jump in and wing it, does the game have nice tutorial or should I follow some eceleb's guide?
>>550391270>they dont want another dota with [thing that makes dota fun]
>>550426943Yes. If they are 100 hp with a 1000 barrier they will die to the execute.
>>550447925so this is my vindicta huh...>>550448901the tutorial is complete dogshit, idk if id suggest an eceleb guide but if thats your preferred way of learning then watch deathyhes as charismatic as a tree stump so once you had enough just join a bot lobby for your first few games. build guides are a necessity starting out, game plays like a moba, there's secret shops on the map, use the zipline and go for objectives
Why the fuck does Dota get a kino fatfuck frog bard but we get goonerbait?
>>550449170thanks anon. I do have a like a thousand hours in dota 1 and another thousand hours in dota 2, but I didn't play since 2015, so maybe that'll help me get into it more easily
>>550449253>frog qrd?
>>550448901Here's an advice.Don't try to learn everything on one go.It's gonna take you quite some time before learning everything.
>>550449253I'm trans btw, if that matters.
>>550449253There's already a frog in Deadlock.
>>550448901Play like 2 rounds of bot matches and mess around with as many mechanics that you see pop up as the match progresses. Then if you want you can go and jump in or watch people play on YT, I recommend Mast since he usually reacts to the match decently well without having a bunch of cuts that only show match highlights and he is a pretty casual player.
>>550449418Troons hate fat CHADSThey love Mina and Paige thoughbeit
>>550449262id say do the ingame tutorial still even tho its garbage, ironically the dota 2 tutorial is really really good now so hopefully they do the same for this game eventually. its gonna go over everything that should feel natural like creeps and towers but the melee mechanics and movement and shit will be brand new and worth going over. definitely has the feeling of an alpha or beta still so things are changing constantly, if you dont like it right away or doesnt click or something come back in a few weeks and it'll be completely different with the next huge patch (apparently the game's biggest yet)
>>550449262>>550449810Just wait for next monthItll have a short casual game mode that you can fuck around with to learn heroes and items on
Yoshi is a dirty nigger and I hope some arcane, impossible-to-patch bug is discovered that rockets Bebop's winrate into the 80s and the game becomes unplayable for the team without Bebop on it.
>>550448394It makes me appreciate the characters I do enjoy a lot more, that's for sure! Although it has shown me the light on Billy and Abrams, I should've been playing meathead cqc boys the whole time.
>>550449253monster fuckers already got their character a year ago with ivy, deal with it
>im the Mo&Krill that did 17k player damage end of gameFUCK MY NIGGER LIFE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>Work till 11pm every night.>Cute milf with a fat ass is quitting.>Go home and lose 5 games in a row.Is it over?
How does Quicksilver Reload work with rapid chip damage abilities, like Life Drain?
>>550451332it activates when you push the button and it has its own cooldown
>>550451497That's not what I meant and you know it. How does it affect the ability's damage?
>>550451332with lifedrain it'll apply to the first damage hit.
only Icefraud would see nerf spirit Geist when it was already very weak
>>550451548>>550451332Every tick of damage is increased by 65 basically increasing your DPS by a whooping 500%It's honestly crazy that nobody has figured it out yet after a year and a half, expect it to get nerfed.
>>550451048I mean you have the best chance of getting her number and hitting now because worst case you never see her again>also because of the challenge games are a complete tossup right now
playing into lash dynamo and wraith or billy every game is so tiresome why does it always stack them onto one team
>>550451593>all movement nerf>this is a huge buff to spirit Geist because she needs people to not be able to run away from her
>>550451803they nerfed her stamina too, as if predicting this
>>550451568damage applies before lifedrain dot even kicks in, seen as the first number is 44, second is 4 from the ability itself. I think quicksilver's damage also is apart of the built in lifesteal as I see a small burst of healing initially.
>>550451774They nerfed the stomp snipe, he's not Hitler anymore.
>>550451774I swear its some stack abuse where they pick each others heroes and end up using it to stack dynamo lash and any m1 (usually haze or mina)
This jump pad nerf is so fucking retardedWhy does it damage you?Just make it so that you gain a ton of weight if you get hit and stunned durjng it so you drop like a rockThe only change in the patch that I dont get
>>550452710Movement bad ok, you're not allowed to run away from fights
>>550452806Yes. Yoshi is a BroolGOD, he even personally wrote Abrams' line when he uses his 1: "Stand, and fight!".
>>550452710To punish harshly for bad positioning or being naughty and trying to pull a fight in the enemy's side and trying to fly away when it doesn't go your way.
>>550452921A 15% MAX health penalty is retarded
>>550452974not an issue for me because i'm not a pussy
>>550453037Evens you're a pussy, odds you aren't.
>>550451681I lowkey think I can get it, but she's kinda married.
So now the only state allowed "spirit" is infernus right
Does Soul Urn disable sprinting or something?
>>550429183>McGinnis kinda sucks in generalfucking delusional one of the strongest gun carries in the game and is literally un 1v1able if she has more than two turrets in range of her heal.
>Spirit investment tree 4.8k bonus reduced from 45 to 38>Surge of Power Imbued Ability Spirit reduced from 28 to 24>Rapid Recharge Charged Ability Spirit reduced from 20 to 16>Tankbuster: Changed from doing % of Max Health to a % of Current Health>Tankbuster: Damage dealt increased from 5% to 7.5%i'm gonna kill myself, doorbros...
>>550384358I just picked this game up, haven't even played a real match, and they put out a seemingly disastrous patch? At least the reception seems really, really bad. Like big movement nerfs? From everything I've watched and researched of the game that sounds fucking terrible.I was gonna play Mina, how much worse is she now? Isn't she heavily movement reliant?Are they trying to tell me to not even bother?
>>550454442>Plays MinaNah kys faggot
>>550454526I haven't actually played Mina yet.I might play Vindicta.Who knows I might even play whatever fucking faggot nigger retard character you arbitrarily approve of at 4am on a Wednesday because everyone knows you matter most and you're not some hardstuck faggot bitching about anything that's ever beaten you in this assfaggots
>>550454442>playing mina because it tickles his agp
>>550454442For a while now the meta has been stacking speed items to quickly flee or join teamfights and make deathballs, almost invalidating the characters with movement abilities. The devs are trying to cut that.
>>550454442>Minahow about you kill yourself and get lost, faggot
>>550454601Lmao mad
>>550454985nta, "smug lmao" doesn't really work when you're crying about someone playing mina of all things
>>550455126>Playing Mina
The most retarded thing about the spirit nerfs is that spirit power is one of the most useless, soul-inefficient stats in the game with only a handful of abilities actually having acceptable spirit scaling ratios, and yet every time they do sweeping spirit nerfs they nerf items that give raw spirit WHICH ARE ALREADY SHIT AND NOT WORTH THE PURCHASE IN MOST CASES.
I said GG five times
>>550455994since it's a week it's hyper sensitive. I used to type horrible shit without any problem, here I speak a few times on the mic (without shouting or even saying mean things) and I get 5days comms penalties
>>550454442i will try and give you an actual answerbase movement was nerfed but her 2 is still a blink with iframes and a recast windowshe has the best lane phase but then falls off in the late game unless you're careful because one fuckup and you explodethat said in low ranks since you're new if you just play lane phase well and get a lead you'll auto win the game because people will run it down and BROOL even when they're 50k down
For some reason, since the patch, my PC lags badly when I'm alt tabbed from Deadlock.
What's the point of having 12 item slots and tons of items if almost everything has diminishing returns?
half this general is spirit sissies crying
>>550455994Where do you see behaviour score? Is this from Dota?
>>550456712They should just get rid of the investment into category bonuses. Its convoluted and makes no sense. You should buy the item for the items sake
>>550457181I'm trans btw, if that matters.
>>550457503(nta) i don't mind the bonuses, i think it helps make counterbuying feel less damning (like regardless of which item you need for the situation you're still getting a reasonable amount of the respective stat), though im not sure why the 4.8k spike is there. like the item's effects and your xp lead is already enough of a spike over the enemy, not sure why there's a huge jump to compound the spikes at that point
>>550436138I think the meta now is movement diversity stam mastery+fleetfoot+warpstone and you are still moving with no diminish returns
>zero problems hitting heads as gun calico (actually tracking the head, not random splashes)>zero ability to do this as any other heroI truly enjoy gun calico to a stupidly high degree. The movement of her 2, Ava being stupidly fast to get around the map / boxmax, along with her gun feeling good to use (somehow) is fun. I don't get really get this is the hero I clicked with but i've been climbing steadily. This last game I went 6/0/13 with highest souls, middle-highest damage, and 30k structure damage (second highest was 12k).i'm actually having fun with deadlock bros this is unheard of.>use scroll bar to find the image not like the otherswhat the FUCK captcha
>>550458093that's a man
It's amazing how much Rebuttal rapes Billy.
>>550458293i FUCKING love boys
>eido tried the christmas challenge>he fucking sucks at hazelmao
if you only build spirit your character deserves every spirit nerf they get
>>550458357And I would have gotten away with it too, if not for that meddling ghost.
>>550437807Makes sense, that way rotations can be balanced on the specific items instead of everyone having innate gigaspeed
>>550458797how is that possible
>>550458797ugh same
>>550458293trannies still trying to muddy the waters eh?
Dynamo should have 1 stamina. He's fucking huge. He as a whole universe in his belly. He should be considered the heaviest hero ever (for Deadlock).It would perfectly balance out his kit. If it wants to commit to a stomp or ult he has position carefully and save stam instead of being able to naturally roll three times directly into or away from danger.
>>550459348>He as a whole universe in his belly.no that's your mom
>>550458869aimlet
>>550458842why didn't you just punch him while he was stunned retard
>>550459579I've been trying to condition myself to use Geist's gun more, so I was mentally locked into shooting him.
Vyperbros, those nerfs to movement items seem like a fairly sizeable indirect nerf, I haven't tried the update out yet but can anyone confirm my suspicions?
>>550440664wrong
>>550459789My vyper strategy lately has been hit and run with short slides so for me its mostly unaffected
>Supervive EoSThis is your fate deadtards
How do people lose lane as McGinnis
>>550460801putting anything towards her turrets
>>550401457this nigga doesn't remember how stamina was before the shop patch
>do nothing all game>DEATH SLAM REFRESHER DEATH SLAM in midboss contest yep, singlehandedly carried the game.
>>550460717wrong, supervive died for catering to "hardcore gamers" only like lawbreakers and etc did.deadlock is catering to casualfags by gutting movement.
Turret meme.
>>550461490(and that's a good thing)
I had more fun in a game as McGinnis than a game where I'm always ahead as DoormanI fucking hate how retard proof this character is
>>550436046>A free to play valve game will always have a large player basebro.............. your blunderlords............ your alien swarm.................
>>550460717never even looked at that game but their sunsetting video actually saddened me.it always sucks to see a game that people loved die.
I think deadlock would be better if you kiss Ivy a bunch and make her blush and compliment her and give her flowers and candy and kiss her more.
>>550462061this dood is kissing rocks! look at him and laugh:!!!
>>550461995underlords is essentially a phone game
>>550461612Doorman isn't retard proofBut Gunman most definitely is
>>550459982sex
valvesisters they're btfoing us so hard right now...
>>550461490it'll never be able to truly cater to casuals so long as it's still this weird moba shooter blend.
they should make a duck hero
>>550462532they should make a fuck hero
>>550462307babe...he means that McGinnis is retard proof...
>>550462507Wait for the pve coop roguelike mode
>>550462609Really? But it implies he had fun... so... how can he hate her? What!!!
Open beta in 2026? 2027 perhaps?
>no black woman of unoriginalitythis thread feels weird
>>550462689you can have fun on something and still hate it at it's coreI think Shiv is an abortion of game design but I have fun cave man unga bungaing for wins instead of actually thinking sometimes.
>>550440664they added his candle to the hideout as a teasercope
>>550462869Why do you hate shiv so much
>>550462810This thread feels refreshing
When is he coming back?
>>550462908God where do I beginwhy does a tank have a %health executewhy does a tank have ranged dot pokewhy does a tank with the two above have damage deference why do they constantly buff all of the cancerous parts of said kit instead of actually moving power into his 2 so he actually has to play the game.rage is terribly fucking designed and shiv with rage is busted and shiv without rage is a trooper.dude needs his entire kit reworked aside from maybe his 2.
>>550463054>what is a bruiser
>>550462810Ava looks like garn47 here
>>550463417HIS NAME IS CAR
>>550463054(nta)>why does a tank have a %health executeprobably to control space with the threat of an execute, but maybe changing it to a flat value would make it not as damning on frontliners>why does a tank have ranged dot pokeprobably to get rage up safely but perhaps it's too safe>why does a tank with the two above have damage deferenceto be a tank, but like you said it's that it's on top of the other features that push it over the topwhy do they constantly buff all of the cancerous parts of said kit instead of actually moving power into his 2 so he actually has to play the game.no idea but that sounds reasonable. maybe if his 2 granted extra rage it'd be a gap closer that also boosts his tankiness to help engage betteri've never played shiv so im kind of just spitballing random bullshit based on vibes with no real idea what im talking about sorry if it's pisslow shitter talk
>>550463179I wrote this whole argument out comparing him to other bruisers in the genre and how they actually make sense and have to work for their kit but you are an ignorant retard typing low quality slop like that because you're literally too retarded to actually argue, so here's what you're gonna getRetard.
>>550463638>I wrote this whole argument out comparing him to other bruisers in the genreDarius.
give mcginnis the wrangler.
>>550463615Also ntaHis execution generates a lot of seethe but its actually not that op imo. 100% of his issue comes from his bloodletting which they've attempted to rework and nerf but to no avail. It need to be an active, not clear damage with an active, a press this button to differ damage for x seconds active
Give McGinnis a steel hammer to the head
>>550463887Essentially removing an entire enemy team's total health count by 25% might genuinely be one of, if not the single most powerful tool in this game
>>550463615>probably to control space with the threat of an execute, but maybe changing it to a flat value would make it not as damning on frontlinersthat's a retarded way to "control space"if you want to "control space" you need IMMEDITATE threats, not threats towards the end/middle of a fight. that's not how tanks work.>probably to get rage up safely but perhaps it's too safeRage is a retarded mechanic entirely, this feels bad for both the shiv player and his teammates since they are perma down a teammate since he can no longer generate rage off of minions. so if a fight breaks out you have this useless hunk of shit that does nothing until he gets rage.>to be a tanksee first.Shiv is wholly terribly designed.His power needs to be shuffled around and put into his 2.rage needs to be deleted entirely, tier 5 of his ult needs a rework and should probably scale with the amount of daggers he has in his target. currently shiv is>duhh I see wed, me throw dagger at max range and never actually do anything until my team walks up for me because my character is a joke without rageor>I hit decay and pray they don't have debuff remover so I can be useful 5 seconds into this team fight>>550463680retard
>>550463638Bruiser is op as an archtype, I havent played league in years but back in those days you could just pick Olaf or nasus and 1v5
>shiv downplaying hoursI played an entire match and you retards are still on this.
>>550463970Its really not because he has to be right next to you and vindicta is doing double that rn btw. I cant help but judge people who bitch about it 2bh
>make some harmless jeet jokes in chat>comms restricted until 23rdwhen did valve get so woke
>>550464117Who do you think is monitoring the chat logs?
>>550464102Vindicta is another yet more cancerous hero. But at least her counters are straight forward, and if she sets foot on ground she is instakilled, whereas with Shiv both situations are not the case.
>>550464239>vindicta downplayingwhy are you guys like this
>>550462576rem next patch
>>550463054when you put it like that he really just sounds like axemake his execute not a long range unavoidable ability and it'd be fine. the knives are the most fun part of his kit and also the most easiable counterable one so i don't see the issue with those. the deferance and rage meter are stupid fucking bullshit that shouldn't really be a thing, though.
>>550464283I'm not downplaying. She DOES get cucked by Phantom Strike or Knockdown, and she DOES die easy, but both situations are not so simple to achieve because she is usually behind her entire team. Shiv however, you can only hope to statcheck.
>>550464283it's not downplaying ir's just that vindicta has a far more straightforward way to counter herif she's fighting on the ground with flight on CD she's basically dead even if she has a big soul leadagainst shiv the only "counterplays" are ganging up on him 2+ v 1 or having double his souls
>>550464612>>550465005okay mb I misread, fair points
>>550434281I think the masses love movement. What the masses hate is movement systems. Going fast is fun. It's more fun if you don't have to learn some obtuse movement tech in order to go fast.
How do you guys feel about Infuser vs Leech on Victor? I can never get Infuser to "just work" on him since most of the time people are just running away from his aura and his 1 already heals a shitload of life either way.
Everygame im rushing Slowing bullets and mystic slow while giggling like a madman
>>550465715Ive switched from leech to infuser/vamp burst on every hero since the capacitor nerf
>>550465715>Infuserit's alright but with the spirit resist changes on your 3 it isn't really enough to keep you up with all the anti heal.Leech usually does me better because I can get some vamp with 3 and my gun.i'd rather buy EE with Leech rather than EE with Infuser
>>550465724kek you devil
Dead game. Cancel it already you cowards at valve
>>550465724get point blank too.been doing this for a few months now and it's genuinely great just racking up a free kill because someone walked a bit too far out on the map.
>>550466123giving up and cancelling is what a coward would do
>>550466736This. Here at Aperture Science we quintuple down (unless it involves Half Life 3 or Ricochet 2).
It's over, pack it up. Don't bother making a new thread before the January update...
>>550465005Should a character based on sneaking around and killing people 1 on 1 have a super easy counter? 2v1 is the counter, making it an simple item instead would literally make Shiv irrelevant. I think Shiv feasts often because pubs dont care to communicate or coordinate.
>Billy on the enemy team abandons and game becomes safe to leave>Our Geist drops everything and quits no word of a lie one fucking second later, instant reaction, not a word saidAre the people playing this game even real?
>>550463054there's nothing wrong with a frontliner having the tools you mentioned, really. it's the kit taken as a whole that's kind of a shitshow. the main problem i have with him is that unlike other similar "tanks" or bruisers he pressures in fights not by deviating attention from other high priority targets and presenting a positioning problem for you and your team but by simply promising that he'll statcheck your shit if you let him sit around for long enough. which means that despite having a mini rocket jump and a dash and skillshot knives his gameplay mainly revolves around trying to be 5k souls up from the enemy for as long as possible. rage is exhibit A on why halfassedly slapping a meter on to enforce a playstyle fucking sucks
>>550467687>I think Shiv feasts often because pubs dont care to communicate or coordinate.nigger he's an auto-pick in comp toohaving a hero that's essentially worth 2 heroes in any fight is retarded advantage, you can't always gang up on him specially against competent players because they'll communicate to stick together
>>550465724>slowing bullets mystic slow on gun calicoabsolutely devilish
gotta say the movement nerfs did absolutely nothing for my retarded billy "laser lock-on on nearest enemy hero at all times" playstyle
>>550465724i'm unironically playing point blank mystic slow tesla colossus on ivyif yoshi doesn't wants people to walk i will cintribute to his wishes
>>550468963in fact i think it may have been improved just by virtue of making it harder for people to pull back once i'm hunting their ass and lighting up the fumes of inevitable capra death atop the concrete treetops
Thank you Deadlock, very cool.
>>550469516>last ditch attempt to salvage losing streak by picking infernus>still loseenvironmental storytelling
why is doorman allowed to put a door behind your own shopso when you are low he can just pop out and kill you before you have a chance to buy healing rite
>>550469607The same reason geist is allowed to throw a bomb into your own shop, killing you before you have a chance to buy healing rite
>>550469516ggs anon. sorry about the stomp.
also remove all charges from the game
>>550469687geist bomb doesn't feel as threatening, it doesn't help that doorman can also throw a bells through the portal and they don't instantly implode
>>550469816doorman's doors dont feel as threatening since you can actually see and attack through them, it doesnt help geists bombs are a one way attack and once theyre out theres nothing yoy can do against them
500 hours in ai assisted Adobe photoshop to convey how op the new urn resists are
>>550469607I mean what do you want exactly? For you to be untargetable while you are at the shop? Sounds gay. Ambushing shoppers is fun on every hero.
>grinding my own T3 camps as Victor>enemy Yamato pops up>okay>she ults but I just kill her with my aura>starts complaining in chat afterwards about how OP victor is
>>550471225People forgot how much damage Victor's aura does because they all just held S and ran out of it for 2 months.
>pick billy>SWINGIN>mee-eee-EEE>WOOOOOO>I'M NOT BOWIN DOWN TO THE OSIC>WELL DONE BILLY>a little protection goes a long way>BATTER UP BABY>let your raaaaaaaaage spill forth billay>I'M TAKIN THIS TEAM APART BRICK BY BRICK>Y'ALL TRYIN TO SILENCE ME BUT BAD NEWS, THE TRUTH DOESN'T MAKE A NOISE BABY>good luck fightin the man billy!>yessss billllaaaay let your fury driiiveee you>I AIN'T GOIN ANYWHERE BABY I AM NEW YORK>kill patron>commend my team>queue up again>pick billy
>let your raaaaaaaaage spill forth billayclassic
>AIIIEEEEEE SAVE ME YOSHIMAN I CANT JUST HOLD W ALL GAMEThank fuckCant believe people are hating on the movement nerfs when the shit they nerfed was some of the most braindead fucking movement because just running was better than doing movement tech
>>550472487>see Billy>press F>he gets parried>put my stun on him and a ball on his face>he starts running when the parry wears off>put my balls on his face again when the stun procs>give him a nice power surge massage the entire time>he diesI love Billy players. You press F once and they crumble.
>>550472720>t. wheelchair using cripple
>>550469516>infernus>only>1k souls/mfarm more
>>550469516>4:56 amGet some rest anon, you look tiredhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zolX7p8OYf8&list=RDzolX7p8OYf8&start_radio=1
>>550472720Can they revert the walljump nerfs at least
This game is actually fucked isn't it. What a shame.
>>550472785<he starts running when the parry wears offnot me, if i'm on the red you fuckin bet i'm spamming the fuck outta that Q button. works more often than you'd think + if i was gonna die already who gives a shit about being parried
>>550472785A good billy wait for your parry then spam qs.
>>550473146Yeah, in that situation you all immediately try and melee again so I just press F again.
>>550384358the reactions to this update in both their discord and forums were not good. I ahve to agree>>550420848yeah shit sucks. tried a bot match jsut to see how fast i could go and now the whole game feels like playing in molasses
>>550472785>>550473320>haha all billies run away after you parry them haha!>uh, actually they all just melee again and i p-parry thembit embarrassing to read desu
>>550473307Who presses F before the Billy has shot a few bullets?He's gonna use it to refill, so just press it at that point or during the standard billy charge slam melee slam combo.
>>550473548billy vs. anyone is a matchup that depends on who forces a retarded reaction first, so light meleeing a few times before even firing is perfectly legitimate
everything post item shop rework (aside from the new characters) has been a catastrophic failurethese fucking idiots can't get anything right
>>550474215You are objectively correct
>>550474215i actually liked the item shop rework because they game was genuinely unplayably bad from december of last year up until that update
It's actually fucking over.
>>550474647mcginnis
>>550474085Then apparently most Billy players are retards, because I've never seen one do anything clever to bait out parries. They all auto-pilot the combo and while shooting.
>>550474647>nooo i can't hold Wunironically thought this update was bad after playing a few games i was wrongall the boosted shitters relying on W+m1 are learning their place
>>550474215Wrong>>550474281Wrong
>>550474647>>550474719>>550474797MINA BUFFMINA TO THE MOONMAX 2'S COOLDOWN REDUCTION
>there are retards who watch metro in this generalGrim.
>>550474797This.The only people who got fucked by this were people who turned every character into Vyper by abusing movespeed slide interactions and the ones literally holding W.In reality this has made all legit movement tech MUCH better while also removing the infinite ammo w+shift shit.Vyper can still do it because her kit is literally built to do it.Go play vyper if you want to do that.
>>550474734billy's the only character that really plays that game of constantly spamming light melees, so you never really know if the other players know the matchup or if they even know that the F key exists until you're stunned off a parry and taking free 500+ hp worth of damageeven IF they know the matchup more often than not you can just W+M1, reload in their face or not light melee during your combo and people will reward you with a free heavy melee>>550475084vyper honestly got fucked by the changes, slide feels bad
>>550474647>A guy who literally admits to not knowing movement tech is mad they removed his "hold W and spam shift for infinite ammo racecar" brain dead bullshit.Who's surprised?
>>550474971>benefits the most from the vit changes>almost unaffected by move speed changes>benefits the most from stamina because she has the fastest base stamina recovery which was untouched and is now more important than eversurely she'll be actually good now
this is actually criminal why am i allowed to do this and i even missed like 1/4th of my shots
The jump pad nerf is still retarded thoughIt is simply unintuitive for the 15% damage to happen
>>550475429>furfag modsWhy ARE you allowed to do that?
>>550475557jump pad now puts a doorman bell on you. boom it's intuitive
>>550475040he drops trvth nvkes sometimes
>>550475718Such as?
>>550475773that yoshi wants game to become snailockand that hypercarry takes most skill because the game hinges on you only
>>550475718Post 1 (uno) example
>>550475718>the absolute Wraith downplayer>truthUh...
>>550475859mouthbreather post, no wonder you watch metro
Wraith is fine SYBAU nigga, pick her up and you'd feed nonstop
>>550475681cause skins are cool
i'm having fun
>>550474971>>550475389Spirit lifesteal +stam mastery(probably ideal)gives mina 4k hp, swap out stam mast for fort and your pushing 4500Personally im gonna try a resist build with bullet resilience and try to run urn
>>550476290tf is that skin
Time to take betsWhich of these nerfs do they revert?Jump pads wont be as punishingBullet hit slow will probably get nerfed a bitWall jumps will probably get rejigged again
>>550475859This post looks like it was written by a 14 year old.
>>550476343a skin for Storm from marvel rivals lol
>>550476061you cannot fathom the German Übermensch intelligence of Metro.
>>550476463>ubermensch>furrypick one
>>550476402>no argumentworthless post
>>550475859He said neither of these things btw
>>550476636You're a fake fan apparently.
guys they're making a sequel alreadyhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/4147110/Deadrock_Redemption_2/
>>550476761>picWhat is her kit like, bros?
>>550386872My logic is>Everyone is trying to do the challenge>that means mmr is worse than normal>I better start with the ones I barely play first to take advantage of the first days of the eventPushing your barely played to the end means that everyone would be wrapping up their challenges or finished it, and they would be back in their mains.>>550387079Same situation as me, Asking in the discord they suggested me to go gun/punchbop, Im going to try that next time.
>>550476565Just because a role is most essential to winning a game doesn't mean it takes the most skill to do it. Like just think about it for 2 secondsSpend 90% of the game hitting static creeps as a carry then at the end wait for your team to setup a fight for you then you click the enemy till they die, wow big skill. Everybody else is actually playing pvp most of the game and keeping the other team from invading your jungle to rape your ass.How fucking retarded are you? Carries are such narcissists, case in point Metro
>>550476970anon, you're replying to a Wraith player.
I love how i'm not allowed to play vind because a GPU leak on AMD gpus causes it to go 100% gpu usage and tanks your fps into the sub 20s.i'll be at sub 60% all game, scope in, 20 fpseven when going down to 800x600 with like 40% render scalestill 100% tanked FPS while scopedshitass coding.
>>550476290>>550476343>>550476436WTFFF???CALICO IS PLAYABLE NOW
>>550477087Works fine on my intel b580.You should know to never buy AMD GPUs...
>>550477087>I love how i'm not allowed to play vind because a GPU leak on AMD gpus causes it to go 100% gpu usage and tanks your fps into the sub 20s.???What GPU? My RX 6600 XT works perfectly fine, 225 FPS consistently.
>>550477390>Meanwhile here I am using the IGPU of my Ryzen 5600g managing to keep the 60 fpsI really fucking wish GPUs weren't 50% more expensive here than the american prices. I have to pay 500$ for a fucking rx6000s
I've seen multiple gun Calicos in recent games. I guess people really weren't joking about gun meta, because you'd surely need the strongest gun meta in the world to make this a thing?
>>550477087>because a GPU leak on AMD gpus causes it to go 100% gpu usage and tanks your fps into the sub 20s.i have a rx 6600 and i can play the game perfectly with any hero
>>550477087anon I'm using a gtx970 and it works fine......this is the power of red team?grim....
Is there ever a point to using McGinnis' ult if you're going full on gunginnis
>>550478318Early t3 camp farming
>>550478556I guess I should've specified when it came to fights
whos winning this guys
>>550479259Left because Yamato is bullshit and makes Doorman useless
I don't understand this game. I'm ~30 hours in and I'm always rock bottom at player damage with at best middlish soul count. It's not even that I have Parkinson's tier aim since it's just as bad with braindead spirit-build AoE nukers.What the fuck is it that I'm missing?
>>550479396what if im bad at yamato
>>550479605You don't have to be good at Yamato to press 4
is sharpshooter better or worse with the move speed nerfs ? since it lowers your speed can you get 2 ms items without them depreciating as hard?
>It's an m1 hyper carry lane match upAh yes time for the good ol trusty rusted barrel. I wonder why no one just buys this the moment they see a Haze on the other lane. But that might just be because of shitlow.
>>550479456Having the most damage isn't always the most important part, you need to have some macro knowledge in this game. Learn about your hero's powerspikes and when you should be engaging vs. falling back. Also, you should never stand around doing nothing, go fix lanes, farm neutrals, smash boxes etc.
>>550477390Most people don't play on 480p
why did siphon bullets catch strays anyways?that item was fine and now kinda sucks.
>>550475389lower cd on teleport and give her bonus spirit on ult kill like gay talon gets
>>550480162>fineI personally felt like it was shit after the health changes, even unnerfed it would have been shit in this new patch.no clue why they nerfed it.
>>550476290>three games in a rowi'm having fun!!!
>>550480034(You)
>victor with a chinese bebop against geist paradox>prepare myself for boredom and infinite harass>bebop hits a crazy fucking hook and immediately hyperbeams geist while she's at 3.5k souls>paradox tries to save her and bebop cancels hyperbeam and parries her >afterwards bebop hits 3 almost max range hooks again back to back and feeds me geist and paradox more>win match because thanos victorguess i finally got one of those "enemy team bebops"
>>550480162>>550480841>AIIIIIIEEEEE LET MY UN-ANTIHEALABLE GUN PROC RAPE STILL IN A GUN PATCHsincerely kys downplayer
So Deadtards, are you guys doing the Christmas challenge? I'm probably gonna sink into the pits of shitlow but I want to get out of my comfort zone and try new heroes for a change.
>>550481574debuff remover, retard-kun.
>>550482209Yeah, not gonna enjoy playing Nigfernus though.
>>550482209yeah but I'm already shitlow
>>550482209From experience most people are trying new heroes so it's not that bad
>try seven as part of the holiday challenge>he absolutely fucks with average jonas's buildI thought you fuckers said this hero was bad?
>>550483970Ok average jonas, nobody cares about your builds
>>550484053>top 5 daily on multiple heroesWrong.
>>550482407That only counters half tho? And not even the good half
>>550482209you get the keepsake for just winning one game so I'm not going out of my way to finish it, but I'm unchecking heroes as I win with themI usually queue with everyone selected anyways
>>550484114>it actually is average jonaslmao, fucking loser
>>550484216>thinking any streamer posts hereAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!It's just some famboi.
>>550484841go to bed, jonas
>>550484841I'm sure it is, Jonas.
>>550484841metro reads dlg on stream
>>550485326If this happened we would know
Fleetfoot+enduring are still pretty good together. Enduring goes from 2ms to 1 when fleetfoot is active but the slow resist still stacks and the bonus stats from fleetfoot (longer slides,6 bullet res) make it very worth it.Its the bigger ms items like frenzy,htempo,and radiant regent that got fucked since by the time you have them, you probably already have a ms item and they'll diminish.ofc, you never got those items just for the move speed but they're a lot worse than just buying more damage/survivability/direct counters
>Landing a parry on low health in a 1v1
Collosus mo goes kinda crazy now, assuming you have your 4.8k already it gives you +2.5khp, can get over 10k easily with 3 green
>>550485809Nah that shit dead boi>longer slidesuseless meme stat>6% bullet resistIts fucking nothing
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>>550487242One was made early by an atttention whore spamming the same image and fucking with the OP. Didn't even update the patch notes. Just use the latter one
>>550475859I actually believe hes retarded enough to say this
>>550448394I was doing good until they nerfed speed and have been on a bad losing streak.
>>550476290That skin works well ironically. The reason I played marvel rivals is so I could look at storms ass.
>>550476290Didn't read. Chocolate sexo.
>>550482407>reapplies it>still got the heal offbraindead? no wonder you are hardstuck seeker
>>550483970average jonas build sux thohis ult got giganerfed, and it falls to a lot of counters. And your powersurge does no damage
>>550493653>reapplies itSeriously. Why do retards never realize this? Most of the Broken passive get instantly reapplied. Infernus burn? He fires so fast it doesn't matter if you have any kind of debuff reducer.>Oh, it's for after the fightYeah, a fight where Infernus always fucking wins because he has an infinite duration DoT during the whole fight.>Uhh, but they nerfed his reproc.Wow. 0.5 seconds per shot. That's fucking 8 shots for 4 seconds. He barely takes a second to spit out that many hits.
