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>>551090528Gekishin Squadra edition?
>>551090528>>551091385KEKGood OP.
Bought Kefla, Labcoat and SS4 Gogeta. Nice.
>>551094162MY Wife!
>>551094534You leave Giru alone!
>>551094162Cute
https://x.com/botsu250522/status/2002909881398095875
>>551091385God damn it! The joke was so obvious and I blew it...
>>551099285Based.
HERE'S A PRESENT FOR YOU
>>551099285So why do people leap to Toyotaro's defense so hard? Nobody is even coming at what Torishima said, they're just getting mad that he said it.
>180 level capwhy evendo the newer PQs have comical xp payouts at least? getting to 99 was already a hassle
>>551100639Idk I thought his criticism are pretty dumb. I do think Torishima is intentionally ragebaiting for attention, though.
>>551100639>Nobody is even coming at what Torishima saidWhat he said is vague mumbo jumbo tho. And I say that as someone who think Toyotaro sucks.
>>551099649Oh? I thought that's what the OP was implying already.>>551100675You can pay with Zenis to level up now IIRC.
>>551100750His criticism is that the cover has no real intent or focus. Toyo said it's to just show "the five strongest", but all that shows is that he hasn't left his doujinshi artist mindset. He hasn't grown or changed, and it's why his art tends to lack any real impact. People only like that cover for the vague idea of rule of cool, but it's ultimately transient and forgettable. Toyo's Father-Son Kamehameha is an even worse example of this, as it has a lot of his major artistic flaws on display to boot.
>>551101764I'm genuinely completely unsure what the problem is with just having a team shot of showing off the current main characters in their strongest forms? This feels like ultra nitpicking
>>551101764>People only like that cover for the vague idea of rule of cool, but it's ultimately transient and forgettableThat cover is by no means unforgettable. I continue to see different variants of it made to this day.
>>551101958Because it's the cover of the work. Rather than showcase why someone would want to read this through artistic presentation, it's ultimately reliant entirely on brand. It's for present fans who are into this to go "So cool". Not a single cover Toriyama did for the original 42 volumes was just "Look at all our cool transformations". >>551102034>to this dayIt's still a very recent piece anon, it only got shown this year. The only reason it has any legacy is because it's currently the last word on DBS, since nothing new has been produced since that cover.
>>551102565Again I don't really understand how relying on brand is a bad thing in this case when everyone and their mother knows who these characters are anywyas. It's just an admittedly pretty cool piece and people like it. Torishima's criticisms are largely kind of irrelavent just like he is.God I never thought I'd defend toyo but this shit annoys me
>>551102813Because it's speaking to Toyotaro's artistic values.When given the chance to draw what he wants, he cannot create. He just draws fanart shit, it's a piece with no purpose or intent beyond that very fan mindset, that "look how cool this is" mindset that's of the same ilk as those Vegeta pictures on deviantart where he's sitting on a throne with Freeza's skull in his hand or whatever.
>>551102565I meant forgettable.
>>551099285Orange Piccolo will never even appear again. He's back to babysitting mode, so it kind of sucks how this cover acts like he's amongst the Top 5.>didn't come to Beerus planet to trainAlready left behind.
Your Japanese comedy sir
>>551104638so what even is this plotline? Gast taking care of androids/ cell saga? Has more merit to it than something like "cell kills all the z fighters" I guess
>>551100182
>>551104739In the comments someone pointed out that Gast doesn't know about Cell's core, but he has to because he destroys a Cell Jr core in DBM, so it'll probably end with Cell coming back and killing everyone (to explain why nobody from Earth is in the story, and why Gast's assistant isn't around).
>>551104739Shitty sci fi drone and Space UN plotline with a DB coat of paint.
>>551104918you know what, sometimes I think I give dbm too much credit for ever giving it the benefit of the doubt
>>551104918Gast really is a net negative on the universe because DBs are infinitely more useful than his dumbass.
>>551102943>When given the chance to draw what he wants, he cannot create. He just draws fanart shit, it's a piece with no purpose or intent beyond that very fan mindset, that "look how cool this is" mindseti mean it's not like Toriyama drawing random bikes or whatever is any different, don't make me defend tracetaro for very basic human habits anon
>>551105887He draws a piece. Goku riding a bike is an exhibit that has a real focus and isn't drawing on the branding as the sole focus.Toyotaro draws fanart.
>>551106130what is any mangaka that draws a character looking cool in their forms now a shitty fanartist now? This whole premise is insane
>>551106130>
>>551106262Nothing wrong with drawing a character looking cool if there's a focus.Look at Baki- every chapter cover is of Baki himself, but it's still focused. It's a manga about the literal beauty of strength, and Baki is the representation of that, so him looking cool has a real point.What Toyotaro's volume cover does is just go "Look at all these forms". There's no point.
>>551102565>Because it's the cover of the workIt's not THE cover, it's a bonus cover. That shit is purely for collectors and people who are already hardcore fans.
>>551106974"Look at all of these forms" Is in fact the point. yes. It's a cool showcase of where the main characters are at that point in the manga. You can't just say it doesn't have a point by ignoring the point.
>>551106974Baki is literally just Itagaki masturbating to Yujiro and finding ways to make him have gay sex without making him a fag.That and human frog drawings.
>>551104918That would be kind of retarded and unnecessary meanspirited but honestly anything is better than looking like this
>>551106974>>551106974>Look at Baki- every chapter cover is of Baki himself, but it's still focused. It's a manga about the literal beauty of strength, and Baki is the representation of that, so him looking cool has a real point.>What Toyotaro's volume cover does is just go "Look at all these forms".
>>551107023>It's not THE cover, it's a bonus cover.No, that is the cover of the newest volume. When someone goes to buy Dragon Ball, this will be the first thing they see right now, and probably for the next year given how Toyotaro can't draw a monthly manga without an old man hovering over his shoulder.
>>551099285I'm usually with Chadishima because he actually means well and gives valid criticism but this is plain dumb because Toyble himself explained it months ago that the idea is that the five of them are roughly equal and that they are fighting a mighty foe you have to imagine, like Black Freeza, so the drawing does have a target the characters are looking at and having those five looking more or less equally important is the entire point
It's not even like that cover is beyond criticism or something. I think the cover looks weird because that style of shading does not evoke dragonball in any way, and wouldn't tell me "this is dragonball" if I glanced at it on a store shelf. Torishima's criticism is pure nonsense and no one gives a shit about that
>>551102813Torishima is 100% right here, the cover fucking sucks. It's incredibly tryhard and coasts by brand codes without the "base" elements that ground it and link it to stuff that isn't just fan expectations of the Dragon Ball franchise. Even without taking all of this into account it's just not a good representation of strength.
>>551107115I'm saying the point is bad. It's not a real point, it's barely even an idea. That's why I keep calling it fan artist mentality, he just wants to have his action figures lined up in a row and has no creative spark. >>551107245DBS is not about what I described in Baki. You read Baki, every volume literally says something along the lines of "THE STRONG IS THE BEAUTIFUL", it is meticulously detailed in showcasing the musculature of the human form, the entire work is about the human body.With DBS, it's not that. Toyotaro never even studied art to the degree where he can draw real musculature, he just gestures at the vague idea of it, and this cover is not about that, it's about just "Look at the forms". It's lame. It looks ugly too, it looks fucking disgusting, and the real tragedy is what I just described, that this is the face of Dragon Ball manga for the next however long it takes for another volume to be made.An ugly, fanart looking piece of shit. That's the last word on Dragon Ball, and that is disappointing.
Man you know we're scraping the bottom of the barrel when we're having an impassioned argument over the twitter comments of a guy who was toriyama's editor 30 years ago
>>551107648>Toyotaro never even studied art to the degree where he can draw real musculature, he just gestures at the vague idea of ityesthank you
>>551107648>Every volume say vague bullshit that sound deep but means nothing and that gaslight homos into pretending the story isn't a meandering nothing and the fights are nothingburgers with 0 intensity or climax.I hate Baki fags, they're like if Kengan Omega readers had convince themselves Omega was good.
>>551107320>he actually means wellHe means to grift off Toriyama's death to sell his book.
>yes I don't see any difference between the powerup rainbow and this
>>551107648just say you don't like it without trying to "prove" it's some objective truth that no other actual artists would ever do. We all hate tracetaro but this is ridiculous, next you'll throw shit at him for breathing as if it's something only he does while everyone else has a much better way of inhaling oxygen
>>551107906omega is good because it's really funny to see anons fall into the further depths of insanity. That's more than what I get out of something like the dbs manga
>>551108079Nah he's usually harsh but fair
>>551107906I don't really give a shit about your personal griping and seethe over another manga.I used Baki because it does something similar to a real point. Your obsessive need to insert your opinions is irrelevant, you can dislike Baki, but what I'm saying is a part of the art, what the intention is, and I use that to illustrate the lack of real intention or real artistic ability or real creativity in Toyotaro. >>551108203>You need to hate him for retarded reasons like me instead of actually critiquing his artistic abilityWhy don't you stick to getting mad at some dumb shit like how there's a plot hole in one volume instead of trying to sound balanced.
>>551108181>look at the forms
>>551108280Torishima can bullshit and have some stupid misguided criticism but he also has good points that aren't being repeated nearly enough. Toyotaro got a pass for far too long, but the sad truth is that he can't create. His entire art career is predicated on copying Dragon Ball panels. His entire artstyle is a very flawed imitation of Dragon Ball that fails to capture anything other than the most superficial aspects of it. It's even more painful when you compare it to someone like Fenyo.
>>551108345>actually critiquing his artistic abilityyou never did that though, you're just drawing nonsensical comparisons between what you personally like and what you personally don't
>>551108360Toyotaro has never created an iconic artwork (or if he did it only became iconic for being infamous like the one we're discussing)
>>551099285
>>551108474>FenyoThe guy who never created anything in his life and censored Toriyama's work in the DQ Remakes? That's the guy you think is "better" than Toyo? Lmao
>>551108503>what you personally likeYou're projecting a lot.I can appreciate artistic skill while not liking something. I can also dislike someone's art and like what they create, I think Gash Bell is honestly a chore to read because it doesn't have a good grasp of manga structure, but I do really like what it's about. I used Baki because that's the closest comparison to what Toyotaro is doing in that cover, and I used it to show why Toyotaro's cover is bad. That you can just have a character looking cool for your cover, but Baki has it all be part of a greater artistic point. With the newest DBS volume, that's not what's happening. There is no artistic point, the point is the same as pic related, just look at the action figures.
>>551108814Fenyo didn't LARP as a mangaka for 15 years
>>551108814Based on the quality of his drawings, yes, he's far closer to what you'd expect and require from a Toriyama successor than Toyotaro's horrible plastic shit.That said, you don't HAVE to go to Fenyo, he's just one artist among many that are a way better fit for DB than Toyotaro.
>>551108345>I don't really give a shitYou're literally giving a shit right now.
it's just good
>>551108976Clearly not since I didn't launch into your autistic, irrelevant deflection to something about Baki's quality. I continued my point.
>>551108243Not gonna lie, Keng/a/n is a lot of fun.>>551108814>censored Toriyama's work in the DQ Remakes?Death penalty.
Funny.
>>551108243>omega is good because it's really funny to see anons fall into the further depths of insanity.Agreed.
>>551109050>I just seethed at you and just did it againThat's giving a shit
>>551108826>You're projecting a lot.yeah, same as youagain you're just ranting about what you like, you can try all you want but whatever you're saying isn't and will never be an objective truthand as i already said we both don't like tracetaro, you're just going in a "my farts smell better" way about it while normal well-adjusted people don't
>>551108474>>551108950I don't like Toyotaro but you're clearly not even talking about the cover anymore.
>>551108814Fenyo is far better than Toyo.
>>551108814>and censored Toriyama's work in the DQ Remakes?what kind of shitpost material is this?
Black Frieza is lame. I hope he isn't the final villain. I would genuinely rather have a rehashed Janemba or Cooler over Frieza for the 4th time.
What would be the DB equivalent of what happened with Rapeman in Tenkaichi?
>>551109584The villian who shows up at the beginning of the arc is basically never the final villian sans like, I guess Frieza himself Ironically. But even he had his transformations
>>551108474Fenyo literally can only do single ilustrations, that's the worst example you could have come up with, even Nagayama is better
>>551109317Well it is an objective truth since it's completely on display.Toyotaro is not a real mangaka. He's a doujinshi artist.
>>551109434I'm not the first anon although I agree with some of his criticism about the cover feeling "artificial" in a "this is the new forms showcase as the contract required, you happy?" kind of way.It could still kind of work even with that forced endeavor if the execution was great (good artstyle, composition...). You'd feel a lesser sense of artistic guidance but the execution would carry it. Except the execution fucking sucks.Toyotaro isn't the worst artist to walk the Earth and he had some better chapters but overall he's quite weak. In fact he's the weak link when it comes to DBS, manga version. The anime was bad too. Only the movies kept up a good quality (Broly, BOG) or decent one (Superhero actually looks decent)
>>551109704I don't think the quality of Fenyo's works would crumble to the level of Toyotaro or worse if he had to make actual pages as a professional. It'd be harder than the simple illustrations but not that much.
>“I keep seeing this image of me with a jacked body and sunglasses frequently. What’s that even supposed to mean?”KEKAROOOOO
>>551108474Moro is literally the best post-Z arc by a massive marginEither Toyo is really good or every writer involved in the past 30 years of the dragon ball franchise is braindead
>>551109715>well it is objective cause i say so
>>551109584Black Freeza is a bad idea no matter what because he already died twice so making him the bad guy again make no sense.
>>551110127>Moro is literally the best post-Z arc by a massive marginI'd say lol but a lot of the post Z arcs suck dick so.......... maybe? "massive margin" is overstating it a lot. The Cell plagiarism is incredibly egregious, Goku giving a senzu to Moro isn't even close to the Cell situation. Honestly I don't see it, sorry.
>>551109679>The villian who shows up at the beginning of the arc is basically never the final villian sans like, I guess Frieza himself Ironically. Tien in 22nd tournament (Not a villain, but he was the main antagonist), King Piccolo, Piccolo in 23rd tournament...>>551110127>Either Toyo is really good or every writer involved in the past 30 years of the dragon ball franchise is braindeadThe latter. Moro is like a much longer Z movie, and about as shallow.
>>551109704>>551109970As the person who started this by (rightly) agreeing with Torishima, Fenyo is not a mangaka. He's a promotional artist that occasionally does fanart, and while his pieces are better than Toyotaro, his type of art rarely automatically translates well to real manga simply because he draws big expressive pieces- which is not what is required of a manga.>>551110127It's not.Most of the films are better, and ultimately Daima beats pretty much all of Super's manga and TV anime by not having a shit ending.
>>551110127The Moro arc was trash.
>>551110321True, I was mainly thinking of Z when I said that. But even then DKP had his young form to go through and Majunior himself is a weird case just in general
>>551110302Might as well say Buu plagiarized Cell too.And Goku giving Moro the senzu bean because he knows that even if he doesnt surrender he can still beat him is ten times better than the reason he did it in the Cell arc.
>>551110348>his type of art rarely automatically translates well to real manga simply because he draws big expressive pieces- which is not what is required of a mangaIt's not that I disagree with this, but I don't think it'd translate to something worst to Toyo's output in the end. There'd be issues to iron out, transition and adaptation, but surely it wouldn't be as bad even at the beginning and it would only get better with time. Meanwhile just look at early Toyo chapters, they're even more doujin tier than the current ones.
>>551110639>Might as well say Buu plagiarized Cell too.No, it hasn't. Moro did, though.>And Goku giving Moro the senzu bean because he knows that even if he doesnt surrender he can still beat him is ten times better than the reason he did it in the Cell arc.Nevermind, you're completely retarded. I'm not even going out of my way to explain the reasoning behind the Cell arc and why the senzu changed nothing there other than to egg Cell on (meanwhile Moro almost killed everyone because of it). You just deserve to be called names for being a Toyoslurper.
>>551108659This is what those "Toriyama artstyle sucks" fags like tho.
>>551108814The censorship fag is gone from Square-Enix, so you can stop crying about it.>inb4 they'll still do itWe'll see.
>>551108814>>551111336What have they censored in DQ?
>>551111149they don't get a seat at the table
>>551111612Two designs.Keep in mind, both of these revisions have been a thing since 2013 at the latest. Fenyo just drew what he was told to draw.
>>551108814I know right? Fenyo gets sucked to no end and the guy still has yet to develop a distinct artstyle or anything original.At least Young Jijii made a official manga at one point, so you're like two steps below Toyotaro. Heck, i think Nagayama might be closer to replacing Toyotaro or Ooshi if they retire or fire.Oooh you copy peak Toriyama and make Digimon ads, well that didn't get you on other big stuff or a chair on making new content . You're just an Instagram whore at the end of the day.
>>551108826Bejita if he a Persona 5 villain
>>551112110>two steps below ToyotaroThat actually puts him about Toyotaro.Toyotaro also hasn't made anything. He's still playing in his den of doujinshi, just on an official level. Your griping about Fenyo can ultimately be applied directly to Toyotaro (except you need to add "copy western comics" there as well).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK4J0mlZ8kU
>>551108659>Toyotaro has never created an iconic artwork
>>551112986Kinda funny.
>>551113012This is the closest thing that comes to it and it's still quite mediocre. I'm not surprised to see you're posting a colored version too.
>>551113175There. Happy, baby?
Toyo liking dragon ball being considered a bad thing to some people will never be any less funnyImagine having Toriyama's/Iyoku's cock so further down your throat that you start thinking that everyone working in the series needs to be jaded and hate it as much as them
>>551113012Is this supposed to be iconic?
>>551113327It's not about my happiness and more to do with the appreciation of an artist's work instead of defacing it with 3/10 colored versions. Of course when the original art isn't very good it makes sense to go with the colored one.
>>551113420Not supposed to be. It is.
>>551113483No need to insult Toriyama like that. I post colored panels from the original manga too.
Toriyama: effortlessly iconic, gorgeous, clear understanding of the fundamentals while still imbuing the art with all of his personality
Iconic.
Toyotaro: Overdesigned, gaudy, no clear focus or sense of style, overpowers the art with a 'personality' that is just unpleasant to look at.
>>551113636Yeah, it could also just indicate (You)r taste is shit and your opinion was never worth a dime.
>>551113647No shit anon, what is your point? He's the original mangaka.
>>551113797You seem pretty upset. Toyotaro is still the chosen successor and your hatred towards him will never change that.
>>551113723This is probably his best work. Every Toyo piece is plagued by the weird necks though.
>>551113647>>551113774Don't compare Toriyama with the fanartist.>>551113873I just want some good looking Dragon Ball.
>>551113774Nothing about this is overdesigned. It's also an illustration.
>>551106347he took this personally
>>551113924>I just want some good looking Dragon Ball.Look no further.
>>551113972>nothing about this is overdesignedHands and the posing of them, the really ugly hair and musculature detail as well.Not helping things is just how bad the anatomy is, but I guess nobody expects any better from him.
>>551114176Yes. I wont look at this, indeed.
>>551114181The anatomy is just fine. You do not know what you are talking about.
>>551114176You just posted a very good reason for why Toyotaro should never be allowed to use digital post-processing tools
>>551114251Sad. You're missing out on some damn fine art.
>>551114259How Gohan's right arm is posed, as well as the muscles in Goku's right arm.Plus uh, you know. The legs.
>>551114389This is the kind of shit you'd find on Deviantart back in 2010
>>551090528i'm so annoyed i didn't get into dbfz years ago, its really as good as everyone says
>>551114389>"damn fine art">horrific anatomy>redundant closeups>speedlines>redundant final panel
>>551114278You will never be an artist, you pseud. >>551114485That's just Super in general, anon. That has nothing to do with Toyo specifically.
>>551114487It's a lot more fun since the last patch
>>551114601This is an actually decent page, unlike the others you posted.
>>551114604i love how every character has sauce, even shitters like nappa can do some really cool stuff
>>551114607Toyo predicted Daima SSJ4
>>551114601>You need to be a Michelin Star chef to say a meal is badIt is funny how you also keep posting images that aren't showcasing manga composition, you only choose full page spreads or double page spreads with only two exceptions so far, and both had very clear and blatant issues AS pages in a manga. >>551114795If any other mangaka did this, they would be shunned from society, but because it's Dragon Ball, Shueisha desperately covered this up.This is a black stain on all of DBS.
>>551114529>redundant closeupsThis is what happens when pseuds pretend to be critics of anything. You just hate Toyo because you want to hate him. Admit it. By the way I'm not a blind Toyo fanboy. I don't like the way he choreographs fights. I just don't see any problems with his art and I think a lot of you just want to dump on a bandwagon. He's fine. Not great, but not bad either. But when he goes off, he goes off.
>original argument wasn't even about if toyotaro was a good artist or not, but the validity of a particular criticism on one particular piece of art>spam to "prove" how bad of an artist toyo isHalf the people even prefaced with how they don't even like toyotaro anywyas why are we doing this shit again
>>551114891He was shunned you dunce. Maybe not by Shuiesha but western and Japanese fans still bring this up to this day.
Toyo's best work
Ultra Ego literally makes Vegeta never wear armor again
You know, at least this is better than remake discourse
I hate how Toyotaro draws base Goku's hair. It pisses me off.
so what causes piccolo to get his new form anyway. why does he become a giant orange guy
>>551115028It's just the /dbs/ retard, he's the only one who post shit from twitter in the first place and he likes pretending to agree with Torishima.
>>551114940>This is what happens when pseuds pretend to be critics of anything.No, it's a real issue with Toyotaro's art, he'll clutter up a page with a bunch of closeups and reaction shots that serve next to no purpose. The page you posted is, admittedly, one that is lighter on that issue, but it's still bad, he has no real grasp on what drawing manga is. >>551115062>He was shunned>but uh, not in a way that mattersANYONE ELSE would've been fired. He should've been fired, because that was a cover he plagiarized for. He attached himself, he BEGGED for this role, to be the Dragon Ball guy, and this is what he does, he steals. He steals and puts it on display and he's not punished. He is a stain on Dragon Ball's legacy. The Toei DBS anime is a stain, but having plagiarism be a part of the artistic history of DB, to have that occur while he was working under Toriyama, is a complete insult.
>>551115321Sorry. Wrong board. Carry on.
>>551115321Hot
>>551115309>he BEGGED for this roleSource?
>>551115305>Everyone I don't like is /dbs/I imagine the /dbs/fag is the Toyotard that came with a prepared pile of pages to spam like an hour after the discussion ended.
>>551115321whose wife is this?
>>551114891He literally just used the pose. Everything else is different.
>>551115493The Toyofag is the Toyofag, you're you.>>551115531Mine.
>>551114795It really doesn't line up IMO. Goku wasn't even throwing anything, he was holding cards/
>>551115490He approached Shueisha begging to draw the new big DB manga while working on Victory Mission, this is known. He's a shallow person and an even more shallow artist. There is a reason he has no real achievements despite being almost 50 years old. He is far older than Toriyama was when Dragon Ball ENDED, and he has nothing to show for it. No artistic ability, no creative works of his own, and no real legacy beyond plagiarism and art that will be remembered as the Brian Herbert of Dragon Ball.>>551115605"just used the pose"That was the only thing he had to draw for that cover, and don't gloss over this with "use". He STOLE. He STOLE someone else's art, because plagiarism is STEALING. He's a THIEF.
>>551114940Nah, you're just not seeing the full picture.I'm >>551114676 btw. I'm not hating on every single page Toyo draws. He can be good at times. But "fanartist" describes him well. He just lacks some fundamentals and sometimes you can read one chapter where it wont bother you but as you read dozens of DBS chapters you'll see the flaws and they'll hurt. You'll see the reused face expressions, poses, choreography. You'll see the real issue is that on some artistic level, Toyotaro has a really hard time creating. And that's before talking about atrocious pages like >>551114389
>>551115920>>551114795>>551115814And by the way, the proof he plagiarized is in Goku's hand (and everything else but not many people are looking at art so often where they recognize when a piece is stolen). In the early draft it is 1:1 identical, in the completed piece it is altered. Why did he alter it? Because he hadn't finished it. Why were the hands like that then? Because he stole it.
>>551115920Poses aren't copyrightable. If they were, Araki would be in jail.
>>551113012>KornArt drew fanart of this panel therefore it's iconic!Lol
What does /dbg/ think of Naho Ooishi?
>>551116415I like her, she's funny. I'd love to see her do a DB story.
>>551116142Araki uses references. They are that because he is being transformative with the work (even ignoring that he is using public domain works largely). But the bigger issue is that he's not tracing. Direct tracing is what makes this plagiarism, and Araki doesn't do that. His poses, while identical, do not line up because he is an actually skilled and learned artist, he is using the pose and then contorting the bodies of his characters through his art to achieve a similar look. That's a reference, and he's open about it.Toyotaro traced a page he saw in a comic book. That's plagiarism, and he never admitted to it or apologized or scrapped the art. He should've done all of those, and I believe he should've been fired, but he didn't, because this is what he's always done. He doesn't think there's anything wrong with this, and I wouldn't be surprised if he stole a lot more and it's just that nobody cared to look for it, because nobody who seriously cares about art would read his manga.
>>551090976i'm still mad this thot stole a slot from a U6 girl just to have Gohan perform half her moveset. fuckin' fraud.
>>551090976idk if its placebo but she definitely feels better since the patch, but i think its just because everyone in the game is ridiculous now
>>551116415I'd dig Daima manga by her, it'd be right up her valley. DBSD is way to one-to-one with the original manga though (except that time she was forced to skip the whole Piccolo arc, that was funny).
>>551116596>His poses, while identical, do not line upAnd neither does the Captain America one, if you pay attention to that pic whoever did it literally had to recut/move/rotate multiple parts of the captain america pic to make the two images look closer than they are.
blue gogeta is so fun in fighterz bro
>>551116909*alleylmao
>>551116987I like UI post-patch personally. He had been nerfed into the ground but he's back to fun.
>>551116946>And neither does the Captain America oneIt does, that's the issue. It's the same pose with many key features lining up- just because the upper body and head don't doesn't mean it's not plagiarism. Goku's right arm, back, and legs prove it was stolen.
>>551114176That's bad because I want to be Torishima
>>551116415Something is....stinky....
>>551114487meh it feels like all fights are the sameI don't like the tag partner bs either, it should have a 1v1 mode ONLINE
A problem with Toyotaro is that even when he does something cool, the lead up to it may be disappointing. Pic related would've been a lot better without the third page cluttering and spoiling that Freeza is still attacking... Goku's slide kamehameha against Kefla, and his elbow finisher against Tamagami 3, are good because of how sudden and unexpected they are.
>>551118183This is so much lamer than the anime version. It's basically just a bad copy of the Raditz thing.
>>551118183Yeah, Freeza's appearance there is so bad- it's unrelated to most of the page but it DOMINATES those two pages, it's what someone's eyes will naturally be drawn too since it's the most distinct large panel- everything else is a bunch of speedlines and blasts.To contrast with Toriyama, he'll do a similar thing. He's rather infamous for this one, with Freeza's revival being spoiled, I know MistareFusion said it was bad because it's not on the next page- but Toriyama will do this again with Cell's return. He's doing this because he wants to invoke the character's presence over the pages, a looming despair or excitement or whatever, it's a feeling that looms over the proceedings of the rest of the page. But what Toyotaro does is just spoil the fun and mirth of Freeza joining in with Goku, which is meant to be a SUDDEN surprise. Cell and Freeza coming back is surprising, but it's a different darker kind of surprise.
>>551118414>This is so much lamer than the anime version.That's most of the manga.
>>551118183>>551118414For me it's the moment he tried to be smart right afterward with #17 going "huh, of course I didn't self-destruct, my self-destruction device has been removed long ago" as if we didn't see multiple instances of non-androids blowing themselves up just by using their ki.
>>551118758>as if we didn't see multiple instances of non-androids blowing themselves up just by using their ki.As if Vegeta wasn't right fucking there.
>>551118183I think the second page would need to be changed up a little to put emphasis on Jiren being vulnerable. That page showing Freeza still attacking and everyone commenting while he's attacking is so bad... Toyotaro has way too much Toei brainrot.>>551118558I think a page turn works best when something unknown is about to show up, which's why Junji Ito abuses it, since he's coming up with some new, weird creature, and the characters reacting in surprise is to build up your anticipation of what Junji Ito came up with this time. For a shonen it's not as necessary, because if characters are looking scared after a villain is "killed" then it obviously means the villain is still alive. Though, imo, even if characters looking scared means the villain is obviously back, it could still be better to leave that for a page turn, but I don't find that to be a deal breaker.
>>551086529>Toei can never capture Toriyama's gag humorThey've done it quite often.
>>551121907Kek, pre-Cell Games filler were great.
>>551118558>watching ecelebsLeave.
>>551119893>Toyotaro has way too much Toei brainrotA thousand times this. He's not storyboarding for manga, not even close.
>>551118558>MistareFusion said it was badAre we supposed to take the opinion of a disgusting crossdresser seriously though?
>>551118414Freeza almost singlehandely being the reason why U7 wasn't eliminated actually explains why Beerus decided to revive him in the first place and why Goku/Bejita would be chill with itBut besides that, it really is hard to compete with "Goku and Freeza fight side by side" in the first place
>>551118414>Goku and Vegeta teaming up for first time being an actually significant scene and Freeza and 17's strategy joining them taking Jiren out with wit not with muscleThat scene was literally the point of the ToP in both versions except only the manga did it right because in the anime Goku and Vegeta team up every arc like nothing and when Vegeta is cucked by Freeza, Goku, Freeza and 17's plan is just to overpower Jiren together like brutes. The ost was absolutely fire tho
>>551123960Toyofags are disgustingly dishonest writing shit like this where half of manga ToP was brute-forced by Kale, and the variety of quirky fighters are essentially contained to one chapter.
Where does Arale fit into all of this?
>>551126096>halfThat's generous, it was more 90%
>>551126096Kale is a better Broly than Nuly for that scene alone. Nobody ever gave a shit about any of those jobbers that got eliminated.
>>551126157She's cute
>>551126268Without them the entire premise of the ToP is just nothing, though. It may as well just have been u7 versus jiren's universe. The anime at the very least TRIED to do the premise justice
>>551126096>Kale... you mean the fighter who jobbed to the Pride Troopers precisely because her brute force couldn't compete with the Pride Troopers' tactics and teamwork? Not only you didn't debunk anything I said, you provided another great sample of the manga showing what really made the difference in the ToP.
>>551126657>Muh teamwork>The page directly contradict this and say Kale just got tired, the same excuse Toyo always uses
>>551126268Absolute trash taste.
>>551126998Yeah anon, teamwork. Before this there's also a page where the Zenos are surprised U11 is the only one without a single defeat in the tournament, precisely for their teamwork. And the reason Toppo and Dyspo lose, and then the whole team after Jiren, is that Jiren didn't like teamwork.I know you don't know what the manga's ToP is about because you haven't read it, but once the evidence is presented to you you should just be quiet.
>>551127575>Still no mention of teamwork on either page, just Kale wasting her power and getting tired
>>551126657I don't really see how that contradicts what that other anon said. Yeah she jobbed to the pride troopers but she also knocked out like 90% of the ToP, including people from her own universe like the namekians.And then she became kefla and jobbed to gohan, lol.
>>551127647>haha I do see teamwork but I don't see the word teamwork so...Thank you for proving without a shadow of doubt that you haven't read the series you are trying to discuss. Feeding trolls isn't really my thing so we are done here.
>>551126423jobber vs jobber fights just aren't that engaging. i find it hard to believe gohan vs u6 namekians or anilaza getting a full fight would actually make the arc better in the manga at all. seeing kale just smashing through everyone out of nowhere was much cooler
>>551129103Idk I quite liked seeing the universe have actual chances and it was treated like an actual tournament. As stated before the manga ToP barely does anything with its premise, it may as well not even really be a "universe survival saga"
>>551128526>How dare you actually read what the page said instead of my fanfic?! I am gonna shut the fuck up nowGood, stay silent.
>>551129103>seeing kale just smashing through everyone out of nowhere was much coolerNo, it was lame and boring.>>551129389U2's send off was one of the best moment in the anime.
>>551126423The anime made u7 vs everyone else lmao, someone post the doc with eliminations by characters
>>551130826I mean yeah, it wasn't a perfect battle royale but it was better than just nothing. I don't think kale having all of the eliminations is better than just u7
>>551130635All right, I chuckled.
>>551129103also i'm not really sure how kale smashing through everyone was that engaging. It's not like she did anything particularly cool like broly did in his movies. She just kind of swiped everyone off the arena. Kale did ragdoll broly but it's not like we didn't get toppo doing that in the anime too
>>551130635>Toyofags
>>551131816ginyu being able to bring out the full potential of king cold's body after he was explicitly unable to do so with goku is one of the goofiest ideas
>>551131816>He looks like RaditzHonestly not a bad one.
>>551131816One of the few funniest moments in DBM.
>>551131816aaaaaaah yesif I put the sweat drop now it's Japanese comedy
>>551131965Freeza's soldiers don't manipulate ki like the Earth guys do. The reason Ginyu failed to get Goku's full power was not understanding the deeper mechanics of ki manipulation and not knowing that Goku was also using Kaio-Ken throughout. While Cold (in DBM canon at least) situates his power at a weaker state, he uses rigid tiering that is more in line with Freeza's forces, and one could extrapolate through Ginyu's rudimentary understanding of ki control that he could, eventually, gain control over Cold's transformations, as those are purely biological and something applied to contain power.
>>551132642I mean that's fair enough, can't say i'm still fond of the twist in general but fair enough. I can't even remember why cold wanted to kill ginyu in the first place. Killing men that hadn't failed them seems moderately ooc
>>551130826>>551130930>Manga Kale eliminated 13 enemies and was running out of gas and dying and had to fuse with Caulifla just to survive her own strain. U7 in total had 23 eliminations.>Anime Goku eliminated 11 enemies almost entirely on his own and adding Vegeta you already got more KOs than manga Kale-Caulifla-Kefla got. U7 eliminations go up to 54 in this version.Over 77% of enemy characters in the tournament took a turn to job to U7 in the anime, in the manga where "Kale beat half the ToP" she has to fuse with Caulifla to reach 28.5%
>>551090976Videl's thighs.. wrapped around my head...
I had sex with Caulifla again...
>>551133389Gohan... what about Videl? What about Pan?
>>551133389Kale...
I just saw Towa having sex with Caulifla, bros.
>>551133389but goku, your wife...
>>551133380based
>>551133808I will fuck them later.
>>551133808>PanToo tight, not ready. Give her a few years.
>>551134260The BEAST AXE..... Unfathomable....
>>551130635Sonic's arms are not BLUE
Your Dragon Ball manga, sir.
>>551133308Honestly fair enough, I guess it just felt like more because she just instakilled quite a bit of the tournament. This happened with manga u7 too tho, with them insta KO-ing a ton of people
Anyone watching geekdom's livestream?
>>551130635>Santiagoku
>>551134986No, anything interesting?
>>551136149I'm not watching it. I'm waiting till it ends, running it through an ai transcript and then searching for keywords like "remake" or "movie".
>>551135554That's hentai NTR man Goku. The REAL faker.
>>551134691Just the other day I was re-reading the Granolah arc I legit rolled my eyes back thinking about how Salagir would butcher Hakai's matter annihilation explanation by pointlessly diving into pseudo-scientific lingo like when he did this abomination, he's just so desperate to make himself look smart
>>551136983I mean, this page is a joke.It's literally a joke about how easily Boo manipulates people by appealing to their personalities, since he has their personalities inside them.
>>551136983I remain unsurprised that one of the DBM posters is also a Toyofag
>>551137679It doesn't really feel like a joke given Buu is generally protrayed as actually being generally that intelligent and suave even outside of it
>>551137679Sure, Salagir, the fat kai being a poor attempt at a philosophical scientist god and Buu appealing to him is such a fun gag. Just like I remember DB
>>551137771That is the joke.He's just that powerful and that all knowing. It's not always played for laughs, but that page is pretty blatant about it. The joke there is just that they have a bunch of benign and meandering conversations that appealed to his ego, and the end result is the Kaioshin having mentally realized a full manifesto about the greatness of Boo. Is it funny? I dunno. I don't think it's that funny, but this isn't like a characterization that is rarely present in the manga, Boo does this all the time from what I recall of DBM (i.e. his constant helping, siding with Vegetto on restarting the tournament even though Boo is a magic entity, stuff like that). But actually talking about this is pointless since, as has happened within one post, it'll inevitably devolve into someone saying I'm Salagir because I didn't toe the line and get aggressively mad about DBM. That part is especially funny since the past day of this general was retards seething that anyone would dare to criticize the manga.
>>551138234>That part is especially funny since the past day of this general was retards seething that anyone would dare to criticize the manga.That wasn't even the conversation, though? Pretty much everyone who disagreed with Torishima prefaced it with them saying that they didn't like toyotaro or the manga, just that they thought that particular criticism wasn't valid or generally disliking the guy.
I'm bored anything going onin xenoverse 2?
>>551132642DBM changed Ginyu to have trained at all, and that's specifically why he can use Cold's body better than Cold himself. Originally he's just another mutant.
>>551138372Yeah, that's why those comments stopped immediately before a schizo showed up to spam pages from the manga for a feew hours, followed by another one who used a filename randomizer.
>>551138598idk I was one of the guys disagreeing with torishima and I called out the toyo spammer too
>>551138541He even uses Bra's body well, managing to pull off SS2, without losing control like she does.>Ginyu's body harmony is not an issue because Bra isn't pure good>"No one gets strong without losing their kindness... That doesn't exist."Jesus Salagir. He has so many bad writing moments that I'm not sure if this is something Salagir believes (Vegetto doesn't refute this), or if Ginyu is a retard.
>>551137762>I remain unsurprised someone who reads DB posted a page from a DB doujinOkay? What are you even trying to say you literal schizo
>>551139094isnt the next page vegetto proving him wrong, that he already got drunk on SSJ2
>>551139148Who the fuck would reread the Granolah arc aside from a Toyofag
>>551139212NTA but him being able to use super saiyan 2 at all is extremely questionable when he couldn't as much activate kaioken back at namek
>>551139212Drunk on power that isn't his', but that's all. Ginyu is still remarkably in control of his emotions... He only used SS2 for 3 pages, so maybe he would lose control if it lasted longer lmao.
>>551139278That doesn't answer my question.>someone who reads DB posted a page from a DB doujinWhat about it? What is your schizo brain trying to convey here?
>>551139296Salagir must've re-read that part of Namek when writing this, since Goku points out that Ginyu won't be able to use Goku's body because of a lack of harmony between body and mind, which's also what Vegetto says, but then Salagir adds a "however", and Ginyu claims he can use Bra's body just fine because she's not pure hearted, and since he easily used both SS1 and SS2, he controls her body pretty well.
>>551140149assuming goku's harmony between mind and body thing was talking about goku being pure of heart is one of the interpretations of all time
>>551137679>this page is a jokeIt's notthere's an entire special chapter about these things being taken at face valueBuu is like this and you have to clap because of it
>>551140331>>551140149Fuck martial arts!
>>551139584>the Kienzan spamGod I hate this. Kienzan was sparcely used because it kind of ruins fights. But it wouldn't be realistic if characters weren't using it all of the time!!
>>551140589DBS had the right idea when it increased the usage of it but as gave cool looking ways to deal with it like Jiren did.
>>551139094>the detail and care given to drawing her crotchcertainly has his priorities in order
