Queen of Games edition>NewsShadowverse World Grand Prix 2025 - Grand Finals!https://www.youtube.com/live/YO6WKImdu-I?si=Vn_KHPqvGCcYGzxwUpdate to Version 1.5.0 - Blossoming Fate & Frieren Collab! (Dec. 29th, 2 am - 5:30 am UTC)https://shadowverse-wb.com/en/news/detail/?id=01KD230PSQS3RRBRA7ZXVN7A9A>5th Card Set: Blossoming Fatehttps://shadowverse-wb.com/en/cards/pack/blossoming-fatehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J8S5PAP1DI>Collaboration: Frieren (29/12/2025 - 27/01/2026)https://collaboration.shadowverse-wb.com/frieren/en/>Revealed Cards and Leadershttps://svlabo.jp/blog-entry-1529.html>Resource Guide (decks, tier lists, guilds, and leader trailers)https://rentry.org/svg-resourcesOfficial website & deck portalhttps://shadowverse-wb.com/en/https://shadowverse-wb.com/en/deck/Shadowverse Animehttps://anime.shadowverse.jpShadowverse Evolve TCGhttps://en.shadowverse-evolve.com//svg/'s card & leader database and deckbuilder (classic)https://svgdb.meShadowverse: World's Beyond Card Databasehttps://mhmkhlrdn.github.io/WBGDB/SiteLast Showdown: >>551667592
>>551724940toes goddess i can only cum
It doesn't start with anything.
>the least played craft at worldshow are we feeling abysskings?
>>551725068Two of them.Both in the same bracket though so we won't get a kino final
Surely /svg/ can predict if this card will be goodDragon will use it
SVObro up now.
>>551725272goes right into my t5 jerry otk
>>551725224It starts with a Bweeeeh>>551725272if crest haven is still a thing this will definitely be used in that deck
>>551725272I'm going to be running it if dragon is legit good next set.Hard removal+draw with a niche clear is playable
>>551725239They would have had a better showing than forest LOL
>no himekawhich player ran her on day1?
Nobody could have predicted that if we gave forest nothing during set 2, nothing during set 3, and nothing during set 4 they would be a bad class. So for set 5 we will once again add an unplayable gimmick legendary that you are forced to build your entire deck around to still be worse than every other class.
did every single player bring loot and dirt?
>game gets reduced to "who gets raped less with their third deck thats not sword or rune"Yugichads won
>>551725239dont care still playing abyssstill cumming to abyss girlsstill waiting for bampi
why is this better paced than the other tournaments we actually went straight through four sets before a break and the break was shorter
gonna go ahead and say the guy with the forest card as their favourite card is gonna lose this one while the guy that picked dshift is gonna easily win.
>>551725272it lets you pass a turn without using an evolution point and draw 2it's good and stops you from getting wilnas checked on any class
>>551725598Everyone brought dirt, one person brought dirt/puppet/crest (no loot)
>>551725598rune yes, sword no>>551725606keep fighting anon
Elf nigger victim complex hours
gonna filter word forest
I just got home. Is there a link to see the current WGP bracket? It says this is match 3 right now. No way they only played two Bo5s in 3 hours right...? >>551725374More removal is welcome in crest but I don't think they care about card draw. The deck overdraws often the first time you evolve Congregant.
>>551725731>3 buffed cards this set>even with the buffs its still unplayable
>>551724212...
>>551725793
>>551725793they started about 30 minutes late and then it took about 30 minutes to get to the first match
Create a card that can save and catapult portal to tier 0
>>551725867would you answer this question honestly
>>551725945>body that both adds, and summons a destroyed follower to your hand/field
>>551725945As you wish.
If you were a Shadowverse: Worlds Beyond card, which one would you be?
>>551725867voted for this guyhe's got gook protagonist energy
>>551725897>>551725902>>551725928Thanks. 1 hour per set still sounds rough.
>>551726065Himanko
Never forget that forest is so horribly designed that they added a card for the sole purpose of letting Izudia get around Yuel's crest. They added an auto evolve function to a class with zero cards that benefit from auto evolve.
>>551726065I would be Anne and convince Grea to join me in compensated dating.
>>551726065はげ priest
>>551725224i was expecting 0-6 from dragon and not from forest... how did this happen forest sisters?
>>551726214none of those guys understand the heart of the cards
>>551726065galleon
go mishadow goooooooo
>>551726065
I just woke upWhere are we watching the Finals? Official stream?
Sex craft tier list?
>>551726143i was very disappointed when i played congregant with Yuel's crest and only the first one evolved
>>551726337https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYvSzi-YIbQdirt rune mirror rn nice galleon share more
>>551726368portal/abyssalways has been, always will be.
>>5517260656 pp enhance sara
Mishadow wins because of the loli topdeck lol
>>551726065I'd be Masterwork Artifact
>>551726065I am literally Velheria irl.
>>551726368haven and forest are untainted
>>551726665dm me immediately
what did i miss
>>551726065playing with orcs when off duty...
>>551726423The official EN stream thenThanks
>>551726065Willbert because I try my best but get banished every time.
>>551726065yuzuki so I can be 8 inches deep into who ever's 8 inches deep inside ginsetsu with my futa cock
>>551726065devotee of repose
Imagine if they actually made Wolfraud the second leader and forest got two leaders while being objectively the worst class in the entire game.
>>551726065Mage Gobu
clean
That was pretty nice play
>>551727001you're not 8 inches
>>551727245disgusting hag nano
well played. he played that super slowly and methodically
Mission completo
hmmm should I play 0pp or 1pp
>>551727171next leader will be portal loli cuz no portal leader reveal yet my chuddie.
It's a 3 decks 0 ban format?If yes, I'm glad they bring Haven
>>551726337>>551726980Sexo
Is crest or puppets better against rune?
Look at mishadow go!
seething
stop posting galleon...
>Bricked Lootlmao this shit is done
>>551727645yes also be my haven shadoba gf
>WilnASS 1 body removal check>Rune silver 5pp card 2 bodies removal checkLmao
5pp 10 10 rush at no evolve costs
Please keep posting Galleon's big fat titties I need something to keep me busy during the dirt and loot mirrors
>a coupleRevealing the leader and some cards then?
>>551727871The jeet devs saw him dabbing against Rune so they bricked him.
auto evolve should not grant rushonly those that you manually evolve with a point should get rush
>>551727858why are you gay
>>551728172Sounds like a great solution to the current meta Not
>>551727645
>>551728172thats just a worse 2/2 buff thenwhat should not exist is auto supa evolve
>>551728509it still buffs SSBA so it's still strictly better than 2/2
>>551728490i love you
>>551728490PLEASE BE MY HAVEN MAIN SHADOBA GF
>>551728490Pleasure. (I will now jerk off, while listening to Igni.)
>>551728584kinda,but now you cant evo them, and that means you cant trade, as things are right now you cant just play a body and do nothing.
holy moly
choked
>>551728490i think i see it
hes gonna lose by 1
>>551728490>galleon took draph/erune/harvin/human form just to do that with me
post loli galleon...
Evolve bros, i kinda want to join the game by buying the showdown deck, which one is the best one? I want portal but there is no portal in evolvehttps://en.shadowverse-evolve.com/products/sdd/
octrice is at the bottom of the deck
>>551728490
if only sincirio wasnt so fucking big
Post draph Galleon, I need shortstack cumslut with head handles
>play 5 cost spell on sevo gildariawouldnt that heal him out of albert lethal?
>>551727524That would be impossible because it would be too based. 2 loli leaders. They can't be that based. Therefore, it's not possible.
mishadow winning all the mirror matches, now that's winning
the meta was healthier before the haven nerf btwnerf havencan't let anything else be tier 1
DON'T FUCKING THROW THISI NEED MY ONE (1) PACK.
ARUBERU
>>551729286Ardor only works on swordcraft followers
>>551729374he's getting cocky bro...
>>551729286if you meant Gilnelise, knightly ardor only works on swordcraft units
haven downplayers?
o7 shincha this shit is over
already GGdon't need to watch this
>people brought forest instead of haven
AAAAAAAAAAAAA MY ONE (1) PACK.
Haveniggers will still cry about benis nerf
>>551729286he could play the spell to heal but then gilne doesnt kill(thanks for the sinciro huge fucking body)
>>551729312I wouldn't really consider Unkei a loli but you're right about everything else
>>551729406>>551729453>>551729674im a dumb swordlet, didnt know that spell didnt work on non-sword followers
>>551725272>No heal>No body>Pathetic damageWhat a fucking embarrassment. Look how they butchered my boy.
RodeoCHADS
Mishadow is way too aware of the camera
It's so fucking shadover...
I wish my sword opponents bricked this hard. I always get quick blader-ed into returning slash while shincha does turn 1/2 nothing and throws out 2 damage Sinceros.
HavenGOD
New portal loli can't be the next leader how else will they sell you eudie
nooooo you can't nerf the broken class that's still world championship worthy even after the nerf it has to be t0 forever
>>551729918yeah they asked him in the interview and he said something like that
do we have a pick of the participants? i dont remember who i voted for...
i hope mishadow wins the whole thing what a goofball lol.
>He voted for ShinshaOh no no no
crest haven downplayers in shamble
Then the next leader will be the dragon loli
>>551730162I don't I need my pack ticket
>>551730149>i dont remember who i voted for...Just go to the board in the park, it will show you.
Now imagine if Shinsha had actually done something; and Shadow had played 2pp heal 10
>>551730149my fat goat yuuri won and got into the semi finals
>>551729986I want both.
Subarashii nihongo
So how the bracket looks like right now? And where are more Galleon fat titties to celebrate haven winner?
PUPPETCHAD IS ON THE TELLY GET THE FUCK IN
let's go reroll!should've brought evo still
this guy better win my pack is on the line
Abyssisters rise up
ReRoooooooooll
>>551730018when did rune got nerfed!
>roach lost every single game and got eliminated I fucking told you so...why didnt they learn anything from RAGE
Damn, reroll's translator is kinda hot
this chinese translator is hot
>NTR manholy fucking based
>>551730784I don't know
Kick his ass puppetchad.
>>551730919At that point it's better to bring benis
>>551730913very fertile obasanshe is probably in heat right now
Achim is funny and Synchronous Hearts is SOULful but aren't they objectively mediocre, even bad, cards? I'm surprised this guy put them in his deck in such a high stakes environment.
>Cag as his favourite cardThis fucking pervert.
Thoughts?
>>551731079Cag is objectively best cocksleeve in cygames universe, maybe next to Kokkoro.
>>551731047Gotta remember Achim steals EVO status as well. He's a massive tempo swing, but I'm not really sure what he intends to use him on?Sinciro is obvious, but puppet is shit into loot regardless
>>551731108>SyncHeartDid he fucking misclick.
Have they announced the last leader yet? I'm hoping for Sofina but am expecting upside-down man.
>>551731108>Haven AND PuppetAlright, this is /ourguy/.>>551731182Now the question is whether you want to fuck Cag or do you want to be Cag?
>>551731047i'm ready for synchronous hearts to take the stage
>>551731187you cant steal sinciro nigga
>>551731108reroll trying his best to hold back the evil power coursing through his hands
>>551731232Both
>>551731047no not at all, they always have been underrated. Especially achim who has been good all along.Synchronous hearts only got good in this meta especially since there isn't much room to use noah atm
>>551731268right, the attack limitation.
>>551731182Aaaah~
>>551731267I wish this card was good enough to see play in puppets
The upside-down fuck will get the Jerry treatment so stop thinking he has any chance to be a leader.
>>551731267my favourite card, insane voicelines and instacum art
>>551731312CR?
ABYSSS?!!! this is our change!!~
>>551731267>@grok, please make an animation with orchis and zwei lifting up their skirts
yeah this piece of shit modeslop is not gonna get through
>2 vtuber with 2 sevoit's over
>rune has all their evo left
>trade up everything while making a board>no evolve point used>skybound slop already activated on turn 7dirt is so fucking cool
>>551731845Incredibly good against all the abyss decks. Mode is also slow enough that you can easily stack up tons of dirt for her too.
retarded carddelete lilanshit
>>551731845Only 10 stacks of Dirt against 2 Ginsetsu
retard misses lethal in the quarter finals for 1 millionshit game
MISSED LETHALMISSED LETHAL
He missed lethal
>>551732039it's so bullshit that she has aura instead of lapis
Lmaooo just topdeck your winIt's that easy
>miss obvious lethal>win
>missplay still wins classic rune gameplay
Delete Rune from the game.
>>551732240>miss lethal>topdeck lethalruneCHADS never punished
more proof that rune is just easy mode
DOLL JOINTS TIME
>>551732240>>551732278Vtuber has aura retards he can't buff her.
And I don't want to hear you fuckers complain about Abyss
>>551732396swordbab...
>>551732396...
>>551732396You think so?
svg being retarded again
>>551732396Read the hint text for aura again. Carefully this time.
I still don't know what they mean by ''daten''
move your cards fuck
>>551732602damage
>>551732396It's scary that there's actually a lot of people that believe this. I saw CQCQ miss a lethal today too and his chat was all "I didn't know I can buff lala with gilne".
velharia pregnant by me
>>551732602Face damage.
Just HIT FACE
synchronous hearts played on the wgp stage...
Synchronous GODS
>>551732240>>551732278Bros, I don't see it...
ALERT!SYNCHRONOUS KINO HAS BEEN PLAYEDALERT!
KINOOO
>>551732439>>551732446>>551732472>>551732519>>551732526Baited>>551732754You still gave me a (You) even if you didn't fall for it
GO LLOYDGO VICTORIA
pretendingtoberetarded.jpg
>>551732840Tip: Gil provides 5 dmg in this riddle.
uhhh he played that too quickly, that was a misplay for sure
>>551732957Yeah, but you need cog for the last damage but I don't see how you clear the wards too.
>>551732840super kill two wardsgil buffcag auto evo kill last wardars magna 2lil 7lil 817 damage
>>551732957lol retard
>>551732840gilnelise buff lala 7pp leftsevo, buff lalaedelweiss (doesn't matter who her 4 dmg hits) 5pp leftcag 1pp leftuse the 3 prior cards to kill a fox each by running into them 1 dmg from gil pingcag spell face 2 dmg 0pp leftlala 7lala 7
Puppet is strong against rune btwPuppet is a T0 deck btwPetcraft btw
big achim play
>NTR man in a portal list competing for 100,000,000 yen
>>551733149lmao retard
ima just heal 8 hp XD
reroll is playing too quickly, he's not thinking at all. he's gonna lose now
>>551733154But how do you get the board space?
>>551733195>>551733215weird how >>551731312 never replied to >>551731431
Did Puppet lose his momentum? Too much healing
Why didn't he set up for Raio?
>>551733265oops
>>551732754i only know because i got OTK by it,supa evo gilnalise sandalphoneis complete bullshit to be honest,
>potential 8 cost sandalwill he do it?
>>551733293One Orchis is not enough, even for most non-dirt decks. This guy needs another Orchis or Beelzebubs.
COME ON ORCHIS DRAW THE ORCHIS
where is orchid.....
BUB'D
Rune might've just lost the game desu8 cost sandy is hard to manage
Please topdeck Orchis, it would be so funny
Lu Woh is so fuarking cool and strong bros
>don't draw Orchis>lose
It's Lu-Wohver...
fuck this faggot game
>>551733875wish my puppet opponents did this
dollfuckers....
so close...but orchis wouldn't come..he was within lethal range
Real match starts NOW
>lost the best match upits over
>haven with both congregant and marywnIt's over
he was so smart to bring the rune hard counter that can only win if it draws and sevos the same single card multiple times along with multiple copies of another card, while having worse draw than any other craftwhy didn't anyone else think about such a clear weakness to the deck everyone is bringing
>>551734042>no grim
>Reroll: I want to show that Rune is beatable>Rune jeet devs didn't like what he said and bricks him of OrcisYeah, these nigger jeet devs are sensitive pussies that would go mald if you say "Rune bad". Fuck Niggermura and fuck his nepo hired jeet devs
>>551734059what are you talking about? It only needs 1
>>551734042>no grim vs boardspam matchupyeah it is over indeed
>>551734059It's just better to do mirror rune at that point, at least rune is consistent.
>>551734042Not even punished for doing nothing turns 1-3 lol. Although I guess mode is already at 7 faith on turn 5 so they were both just jacking off.
>>551733291the portal player fucked up by evolving lloydthe point of synchronous hearts is to pass turn 6 without having to use evolution points and you could see how starved the portal player was on evolutions later on
>>551734059ummm bwos, your roach counter that lost all the game to dirt and some more?
>>551734229he literally was only unlucky. It's extremely unlikely not to draw orchis that far into the game with that much draw power
>2 crests on turn 7oddd game
>>551734229people upplaying the matchup has been the biggest mystery of this setit loses less to rune than other crafts and puppet loses to rune less than it does to other crafts but people pretend it's roach vs spellboost satan
>can't get ruleneye valnerik OTK because hand is too cloggedIT'S OVER
>>551734608but he doesn't need the otk. haven has no threat with 2 crests (lol). all he needs to do is shit up the board on repeat until he wins
otk assembled
Haven sisters?!
he managed to do it, nice
rerollsisters... not like this
>2 crests havenHow come I never fought these Havens?!
>three Rulenye spellsThis is so rigged
>loot vs haven/portalhe's still in it
Haven sisters, it's not fair...
>>551734430I kind of feel bad for how hard ReRoll is bricking in these games. These losses feel so bad even just as a viewer.
>>551734960this game looks like it's making up for it at least
losing to kekbyss
What a horseshit of a tournament. First we get a fucking boring meta, then niggers bricking players who made Rune look silly or saying bad things about Rune.
>>551734919>>551735034He's about to be down to 10 hp when he plays Marwynn....
jap rigging
>soulcure sisteris this humiliation ritual?
...or nottablet is fair and balanced
No evo was correct, 5 hp on board so it always get cleared.
man I love watching loot and dirt slop
Retard, play your Rodeo on your other Rodeo
how is he ever going to be able to play benis lol
>>551735620He's so unlucky but it's just the average Crest experience. Most games are like that
Humiliation ritual
penis
>>551735620i apologize....
If that was 2pp he could have played dose as well btw
Please, don't heal yourself
>casters don't even know you can be sitting on an empty deck and sword actually has 3 turns left
Haven is tier 3 btw
benis :DDD
soulcure sister sisters we did it!
humiliation ritual for the loot player
Wait, he only has 2 cards left in the deck. Havengod just needs to stall.
ALERT!SOULCURE KINO HAS BEEN PLAYEDALERT!
>bricked with tablet
Soulcure doubters? Your response? She healed and is now cockblocking Albert.
SOULCURE SISTER + 4PP BENIS TO BTFO LOOTSLOP
Surely there aren't any imbeciles in this very thread who simultaneously complain about Haven being nerfed while complaining about Puppet being too good.
fucking turbo outplayed
Looks like another win for the good guys
STAAAAAAAAAAAALL
actual good game.if only it wasn't entirely loot vs loot/rune
IMAGINE NOT PRESSING THE GLOWING AMULET IN BOARD EVERY TURN. JUST DONT PRESS IT.
i just realized that the NTR man is to steal Kagemitsu
goated fuck swordniggers
apologize
Yep, the good guys won.
puppetgod needs to draw out of his fucking mind to win this next one tho
Maybe if the sword player wasn't playing on auto pilot
HAVEN GAWDS
>>551736114>HE KEPT IT
>>551736090I MUST PRESS IT I HAVE ALL THE CARDS I NEED FOR THE NEXT THREE TURNS BUT I MUST KNOW WHAT I GET FASTER
ReRollGODS, WE FEAST
lol he kept the achim even. i hope this guy wins man. only person playing with a soul
ntrman and lu woh
I need to fap to nuns after that
>>551736114A turn 4 kage?I can see it, but that's a little niche even for tech>>551736176I kneel. puppetGOD
gg lovestruck vs loot. Sword threw so hard.
He's frustrated kekek
AchimLORDS
puppetGOD will fuck swordjeet into oblivion
Nice unbeatable broken deck topazchuds>>551735954More likely than you think, you need 3 odins after all
>turn 1 qbpuppet is in lethal range
>losing to soulcure sisterskekbert humiliation ritual
>>551736147Puppet is favored into loot, all their early cards go 2 for 1 against loot.
.>2 tablets>2 sinceros with 0 lootget FUCKED
>>551736341sybau
>>551736341too bad early game barely matters and you get raped by loot mid-late
>>551736415????Zwei is a hard check and usually loot is down in life so Odin plus Orchis is lethal before loot can threaten lethal since loot is trying to play catchup turn 4-6.
achim banishes as well so you can use it to cuck them out of the second loot
there he is...
>>551736504valse answer zwei easycongregant answers zwei easy
puppet is 90-10 against every deck in the game, including puppet
ohnonono
PLAY KAGEMITSU YOU PUSSYDO IT
ntr gil?
STEAL GILNELISE
He knows...
value
>>551736575Congregant is not guaranteed.
gilnelise i trusted you....
How many matches are left and what did I miss? I just woke up...
gilnelise is such a slut...
hag ntr...
one sevo leftboth at 17 and 16i wonder which deck has infinite damage and which doesn't
>>551736716Semi's are almost over.Still got 4 quarters and the finals to go.Another 4 hours at leastForest jobbed
I thought Gil was the one who did the NTR.
>>551736671maybe not raw but if you have even one blade or another loot and 2 fuse targets he is
orchis....
Once puppets runs out of evo points they stop playing the game, he did not want to SEVO the Gil.
Lu-Woh actually useful?!
>>551736927No?
Is this retard running oztrice? I haven't see her but runs fucking kekemitsu for the ebin 10 meme with that lousy spell?
>>551736927Against Albert
Sword is like 99% guaranteed, please stop drawing with tablet.
puppet is so fucking favored into loot bro :))))
>>551736927No lmao he did fuck all
>>551736716Dragon 2-0Forest 0-6All 8 brought dirt, 7 brought loot, you're watching the only non loot player lose to loot.You're up to speed now.
>>551737051Yeah he just missed lovestruck, orchis, zwei and all other puppet cards.
>goes first>doesn't draw OrchisIt was rigged from the start
>>551737041Can you insert and onahole in this
It's Lu-Wohver...Again...
>3 sylviafuck this man
Please deck out
Is the sword player retarded? Why is he drawing with 8 cards in hand, the puppet has no evo points and 3 cards, holy shit you are under no pressure.
Why didn't he just play 6pp valse he already knew he didn't have orchis 2 turns ago?
>>551737051according to this thead, puppet is favored into both loot and dirt btw
Bring a deck that needs to draw a orchis multiple times to win. Doesn't draw them
Puppet literally has like 0 damage left. It's just a matter of stalling 3 turns now.
c'mon.draw for albertyou know you want to...
I have a feeling that the sword player is being carried by the meta decks.
>sword gigabricked>will still win this
>>551737293Into loot sure but it dies to dirt.
>top deck zeta beaRigged
reveal whenreveal whenreveal whenreveal whenreveal when
He has to topdeck, sadly
this is where neuron disruptor would've helped more than sylvia
orchis? in my roomsorry reroll
NOOOO
WHY ARE WE DRAWING.
>almost lost because of tablet again
>>551737465the neurons of anyone who puts this shit in their deck are disrupted alright
AALLLBEERRRTOOOO!!!!!
Lu Woh is so fucking broken
Undeserved
He could've won like 5 turns ago if he played 6pp valse...
Damn, that was fucking crazy, gg, almost decked himself out
lmao
Cyniggers bricked Reroll
LUL WOH
IKUZO SENDAI GA KOTOKU
Maaan, he might've lost but I'm glad I bet on ReRoll
>>551737618he really tried to make it look as close as possible (puppet never had a chance)
You cannot tell me this guy practiced loot at all. He did not know the matchup at alll.>>551737618Yeah its fucking crazy, with open decklists, puppet has almost no answer to Valse.
rip puppet LORD
anyone left that's not bringing rune/sword/haven?
would've won with bubz off the top
>>551737407If sword gigabriked then puppet alpha omega bricked, bitch couldn't literally, it was a close call because loot was about to comit sudoku.
>>551737717this guy runs blood
threw away orchis at mulligan award
>>551737738nah he was pressured so much he couldn't spend sylvias to draw and ran out of cards because of it
You know what would have saved him from that Albert? A second Lu-Woh.
>>551737717Four Dirt four LootTwo Dragon one Abyss one Haven
>>551737790yeah the achim thing was funny but i dont know if its like, keep it in your opening hand strong.
>>551737790I think having a super weak turn 5 was a big factor too. He was forced to play just Lyria.
if you look at that game. even with open hand. and still think it was close or puppet is favored into loot then it's time to play the game.
>>551737820It's dumb that at turn 10+ (or 9+1) against loot, you have to stay above 14 hp or you risk losing
>>551737820No risk no rewards, he had 15 life point and this is not a stall deck and orchis is the only legitimate wincon of the deck.
>>551737618The best time to play Orchis was t8 the second best time was t9... He could've lost on t10 if the guy top decked her...
>>551738090or you can play a single soulcure sister
>>551738129no? there was never a window for orchis lethaland orchis gets answered cleanly with sinciro and you just lose immediately
>>551738090That's just how it is once Sword played tablet. Either you stall until they deck out or you die to all the damage.
i cant wait for set 1 to rotate and mode abyss instantly become t0 because of it
>>551738387would drawing two different cards in those circumstances have won him the game though?Gil kept him alive.
Currently watching these watchalongs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUKXJOAC19Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7CDnaCaD5Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W_eOZVCSqUThe Shadowverse craft beer is interesting
>>551738090your 4 hp ward?
>>551738483mmm nah I don't want to watch along with vtumors
>>551738225At the time he only fused 2 zaiho into sincro, he didn't have enough to kill both lloyd and orchis... and he'd have to waste a sevo for that as well which would put the puppet player at more of an advantage...
puppet is never winning this "favored" match up without double orchis
>only watches vtumors
is there a new expansion
DRAGONCHADS
>>551738554That's totally fine. Just posted them in case anyone's interested.
crowd better win so I get my pack
>>551738672there have been no reveals so no
>>551738559nigga he had 10pp, there's a gazillion way for sinciro to deal with orchis. and you think puppet is at an advantage against loot when they both run out of evo??
>>551738475ah meant for >>551738371
Weren't we supposed to get nonstop card reveals between every match and that's why we've been getting none until now?
GO YUURI GET ME THOSE SEVEN BRONZES AND ONE SILVER
has dragon wonned against loot or dirt yet?
>>551738827it seems like they've opted to just not reveal any of the remaining legendaries or golds. a bold strategy really.
>>551738829is the reward really ONE pack
why does every loot sword play kage
>>551738960for prediction? yes
>>551738901dragon is undefeated (wonnered 2-0 vs forest)
Imagine how much better the game would be if they weren't lazy fucks that decided evolutions should be a universal stat increase instead of changing it based on card.
>dragon is guaranteed in finalDRAGONCHADS
Dragon nerfs next week.
>>551739042nobody cares about forest
>>551739054So they can somehow make sword and rune even better? I'd rather not.
>>551739167Jesus you're traumatized.
>>551739125clearly it's time to put liu back to 4pp and also dragonsign to 4
>>551739003if you draw into ardor you can deal albert damage with him and with the stone you're not penalized drawing into him late as much with all the extra draws. its been pretty common for most of this expansion.
>topdecks norman
>just top deck LOL
>>551739054Evolution should do something different per craft
BASED TOP DECK THE UNIVERSE REVOLVES AROUND RUNE!
>tab in>another rune mirror>tab out
>>551739269Just remove the ramp from dragonsign, it's powerful enough without it.
>first Lilanthim>8 stacksIt's over.
This game is so dogshit to watch, even yugioh is better to watch
sending energy to my goat yuuri!!
they forgot sevo again...
why didnt he manual evo the edelweiss??
>>551739646lol
my fuarking goat yuuri
DRAGON MIRRORI REPEATDRAGON MIRROR
ORE NO KUNFUU YO
You know, why haven't they figured out how to present these duels in holographic 3D like Yugioh?
>>551739991to what end?
KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OSOY
HEAR
not looking good for evo...
not looking good for storm...
what are these dragon matchups like? at the start of the match the casters were pogging at crowd catching yuuri but what was yuuri's plan?
not looking good for dragon...
leaving filene up is surely something
>>551724940Can someone please explain to me how is puppet favored into dirt where both decks trade card for card early game but dirt has a check in norman puppets cant answer cleanly and can heal while putting pressure?
I think it's over for crowd
>>551740749They can waste their wincon to clear the VtuberThat's it
>>551740749simple, it isn't, despite what the retards here keep insisting. it isn't favored into loot either. if it was the ladder would look a lot different. it can beat both deck with double orchis highroll and zwei scam but that's where the advantage end
>>551740807The dirt player has the free will to not play the vtuber.>>551740613It has a good dirt matchup but its kinda mental in my opinion because its shit against everything else. Why not bring abyss evo lists for loot instead?
forte face
You can't kill hope.
Called it
>playing 3pp draw 1grim
my goat yuuri is taking this one home+1 pack for me
but enough about eudie
>>551741124but I still can cum 6 more times
This is just cope, dragon is 20-80 into loot.
>loot with 6 loot in hand
just go next
yuuri's topdecks are so fucking gay
Is KMR personally rigging the topdecks here.
MY FUARKING GOATTTTTTTTT
is it me or is raio somehow always in their hand on turn 9
>>551741739scripted
havent played in 3 months, is there a new set out soon?
>>551741862within 24h
Listening to the commentary is making me retarded I completely missed the much better play the guy actually made on the table and was also focused on the Lilanthem.
>>551741862in 1 day
knightly ardor top deck COME ON
Six (6) hours in and still zero (零) reveals.
CONGREGANT OF BALANCE BTW
Can someone come to the lobby and play a knockout match with me for the weekly...
>went 3-2 as abyss with only 3 legosI'm surprised I managed to reach that far
loot is playing this so fucking well
>>551740749puppets have close to an an otk with beelzebub orcus + puppet cat so they're fine with stall games. dirt has little pressure until anathama comes down who orcus can kill repeatedly with puppets thx to bane, and you aren't getting to 15 for super skyevo unless they brick super hard since beelzebub into orcus is usually almost a kill
>>551742062I thought for sure there would be a reveal in between the quarterfinals and the semifinals. Aren't there still like half the legendaries to reveal?
My free pack... NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>>551742221Both sides are playing so well you'd think they see each other's hands.
>>551742274More than half.
>>551742339It's easy to know what sword has with tablet
HOLY FUCK LOOT SWORD THREADED THE LINE
>>551742274>>551635181
Just log in to the game again, my random guild is died already lmao. Kinda amazing that the game become like this in only 6 months
>>551742435Dumbest fucking shit I've read all day, they really want the game to die huh
good game
jesus christ what a game
That game was crazy tense, holy shit.
another good game.I think haven/loot was more fun to watch, but it was great
Man I was really feeling sorry that Crowd might not win even one game
>>551742435yeah it's very fucking exciting seeing nothing about the new set
I had fun watching this one!
that was the best game all night desu
my goat played that so fucking insanely well...
>>551742640He'll reverse sweep the fat nigga
Instead of having discrete Evolution Points, players should just be able to pay PP to evolve cards and cards can have different evolution costs so matches can keep going back and forth, back and forth until the end.
Imagine how much better the tournament would be if it was bring 4 decks ban 1.
>>551742260except puppet has no grind tool like loot or dirt do. they need evolve to do anything
It's over... My pack...
And the couldn't out Valse award goes to Crowd!The award is being knocked out of the tournament.
MY PACK IS ABOUT TO BE HERE!!
Did he said my wife?
>>551742260yeah you dont play this game
crowd...
Rigged topdeck to get Garyu
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
and the crowd goes wild
It all comes back to Odinverse...
It did not matter what dragon played, loot just went face anyways.
and then, the guy i voted for played oguri cap for lethal
SADAME NO AGITO WO TACHIKIRANUSHOURI WA KOKO NIWARE NI TSUZUKE
albert was lethal too, with the supa evo ping
My pack....
>dragon still hasn't beaten anything other than forest and another dragon
jeetverse: beyond brown
>>551743365yeah he should have played albert, I love hearing the caster yell ARUBERU
>>551743357whops, look like you made a mistake there!
man i dropped this game a month ago but watching the stream is giving me the itch to come back
Wife
>>551743586I need a shadoba gf
>>551743186you're a retarded peasant>>551742935they aren't looking to grind it out they're looking to get to turn 9-11 without being forced to evo defensively. Dirt has little pressure mid game and puppets can clear most of it without needing to waste evos.the only thing dirt has over puppet in that matchup is being able to heal with the alchemist guy, but one of their wincon is countered by orcus and the game isn't going to last long enough for the other to come into effect.
>>551743586Yeah, that's an abyss player.
WHY EFF EMMMmmmmm
its funny, with your non rune/sword deck you are trying to snipe your enemy non rune/sword deckso is more important to try to counter the non rune/sword deck.the round is literally decided by who can luck out the win on their non rune/sword deck.
are we having final watch party at 21488...?
>>551743747Bro you dont want to play against loot with your rogue dragon deck.
>>551743703>Dirt has little pressure mid game and puppets can clear most of it without needing to waste evos.>*drops balanced 5pp 10/10 rush*>*drops norman bari bari*sybau
COME ON MISHADOWGET ME THAT PACK
I've been waiting for reveals for like 5 hours now
>>551743889... thats what i said,people are trying to fight the NON SWORD DECK with their NON SWORD DECK
>>551743703Don't argue with the victim complex puppetjeets, they'll downplay their braindead 2 cards 17 damage "combo" like their life depends on it
I bet on mishadow
>>551743989Another two hours
>>551743994Not in this conversation but how does puppet do 17 damage with 2 cards?
I come from the future, Agunomu sweeps and gets me one pack
dirt is actually the weakest deck in the game. everyone is just playing it because they want to fuck velharia, which, fair
Come on AgunomuGOD win this for Runa
the puppet guys need to hurry up and start drawing their 17 damage 2 card combos before the season ends with them behind forest!
>>551743991Except you want to play your rogue dragon deck against the dirt list and your dirt list against loot.
Honestly (be honest faggots) do we expect any buffs/nerfs to come out with tomorrow's patch?
>>551744180Norman to 5PP.
>>551743703>Dirt has little pressure mid gameNorman?????? Bro if puppet was favored against dirt then dirt wouldnt be the most played deck.
>>551744180i dont expect it no
>>551744180no. I hope tablet gets pushed up to 4 though
>>551744180No.
>>551744072It's technically 3 cards>Beelzebub on previous turn>Orchis ping 2>Lloyd 2>enhanced puppets 4+4>puppet cat sevo puppet 5
>>551743901>implying you're on equal standing after you being mogged by puppets for 4 turns. yes the two scary 5/5s sooo scary what's that ur literally half dead already and die to orcus + puppet cat?nothing dirt has can clear orcus effectively you're looking at like a 5-7 hp swing along with matching their evo just to clear.norman's the only thing keeping you alive
>>551744143nah, you dont need to beat rune, rune could win every non mirror match.you only need to get the win on your weak deck thats the most important part,
>>551744325Okay so it's like 18pp and 3 cards over 2 turns. A bit different than what that guy painted.
>>551744132>I want to prove that dirt is not unbeatable>*jobs with his puppet, the dirt "counter"*
Dirt is the most played deck, if puppet was good against dirt in a fucking bring 3 lists format there would be more than one fucking puppet player.
>>551744231I SAID BE HONEST
>>551744382well, is not fair to count the prep specially when is like that one.is like saying abyss OTK requires 20 cards
i sure hope my opponent only plays 2 units on the turn im gonna play babu or one of my precious sevo points is gonna need to be used to save my face
>>551744180dragon (non-petcraft) got into finals so dragon gets the nerf hammer
>>551744486That's a bit disingenuous as you're building faith throughout the whole match and it's what the deck does. It's not like puppet is benefitting from how many puppets were played throughout the match or something. They are playing a 9pp card to set up the combo on the following turn. Putting these 2 things like they are the same sounds very weird.
Dirt and Loot are the most obnoxious decks to play against, yet portal players are by far the worst posters in these threads.
Imagine telling /svg/ during Heirs that Vellaharia and Raio would be played in the future. They would laugh and screencap you
>>551744352>mogged by pupp->*drops edelweiss*>*drops perfumer*>*sagelight*sybau
>>551744180Not a chance. Don't worry though they'll buff Forest and Portal again in a month!
>>551744674i actually said when they showed off that card it might be good in a future dirt deck. still feeling pretty good about that one.
>>551744674Its only for the mirror and maybe abyss.
>>551744470Well it's more likely than them actually nerfing petcraft.
>>551744750There was a match where Dirt score a kill on turn 8 by banishing Sinciro and then Sandalphon
>>551744132puppet is really favored into loot and dirt here guyswhy cant the pros see this
>>551744180I expect nothing.
>>551744679>3 cards to clear 1 puppet card>setting up the board for an orcus sweep>>551744461maybe they shouldn't be so fucking shit vs sword then.
reveals in how many hours....
>>551744645>It's not like puppet is benefitting from how many puppets were played throughout the match or something.Didn't they have something like that in og?
>>551744838Bro if loot was at 10 against dirt turn 8 a lot of things went wrong before Raiu.
>>551744909after this entire set, and then the finals
>>551744909an hour before the patch ;)
Aura should have Aura.Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
>>551745008Wait, what card is she? Milto?
>>551744645He's talking about evo abyss that needs 10 turns, 60pp and 2 s.evo points for the otk, retard
>>551744842post your cr or stfu mansurely you can prove all the ladder and the pros wrong
khuressentto chuubu raidaa
>>551745008>>551745042Don't think she's getting a card. If she is it hasn't been shown yet.
>>551745092Same logic applies. I don't know why people here are so disingenuous.
>>551745170kys subhuman
>>551745114the only one i need to prove wrong is a faggot like you. retard. your mom probably got fucked by a puppet player that's why you have such a hate boner
>>551745042
good combo
>>551745258What does that do again?
let's go shadow
>>551745258I hope this spell sucks because I'm not buying bundles.
>>551745168She has a card but it's just a card style for a spell
>>551745168>>551745258aura is getting the paypiggy skin that costs $200 to fully buy out
>>551745293it hasnt been shown yet
>>551745042>>551745168Did I stutter? Aura (the leader) should have Aura.
After the finals happen they are going to announce Congregant of Usurp, Sinciro, Edelweiss, Alchemic Flare, and Norman are getting nerfed instead of any card reveal.
I didn't fucking see that lethal. Pretty good.
Why is rune allowed to have their own fennie that can actually clear the board?
>>551745226yeah yeah sure puppet is favored into dirt you got me maneveryone just really hate puppet that's why the ladder and tournament scene is like thistoo bad :/
>>551745293we don't know yet. devs are retarded and don't reveal silvers until 1 hour before the patch comes
>>551745386Lmao imagine nerfing petcrafts good one anon!
>>551745412petcraft privilege
>>551745373>great value
is that guy chinese or korean?
>>551745412Pet class. We've already discussed this a million times, Anon.
>>551745210Guess we know who was in the right if you the best you could do was that garbage.
>>551745435ban sword from the deck pool then if you want to see more puppets. it sure as hell ain't because of dirt they aren't being played.
>>551745559He's from China. ReRoll was Korean.
>>551745373I hope you guys are saving your GP tickets for the frieren themed sleeves
Can't wait for Orchis to fuck off to unlimited so these retards drop the game and stop shitting up the thread
>>551745373How many Frieren emblems do we need? There are two in this image and the leader also comes with one. Maybe there's one in the battle dungeon too.
LET'S GO KAORI SHOW MARIE WHO'S BOSS
There is nothing he can't cut.
>>551744674Velharia was already played by dirt in set 3
>>551745763Those GP sleeves are pretty nice compared to the GP sleeves so far though, since they're not just reused character art.
>>551745735>set1 rotation happens>every existing deck loses multiple vital cards>mode abyss remains literally untouched
that chink is pretty good
>>551745808>died like a bitchTopkek
>haven kinolets go
>>551746042reverse sweep inc
>>551745935Basically every deck just needs a few important cards replaced to be fine when set 1 is gone. Excluding forest who is absolutely fucked the moment set 1 is gone and top 100 forest CR is going to be like 1400.
>just grimWell at least he has chalice
>>551745735bold of you to assume they won't replace the key rotating cards with a copypasta + a sprinkling of powercreep
>>551745258If a card like this will be good in Unlimited I'm going to have to use the ugly version forever while knowing it could be Aura. Not being a paypiggy is rough
No reveals tonight?
marwyn is at the bottom
>>551746183Later in the WGP stream.
wtf
>>551746219you were saying?
wow dirt so much pressure that norman did sooo much
>>551746219OFF THE TOP BABY
>>551746219Hmmmm?
Thank God it's a 3-0 I wanna sleep asap
This shit is so scripted
why cant i topdeck like this
>marwynn top deck on curve
>>551745907She was honestly a cope inclusion. Dirt only used her to banish Wilbert early or Abyss hags. I never expected Raio to be good though. I thought the game would be too fast to get a lot of value from a turn 9 Fennie.
These fucking topdecks are scripted by KMR himself.
everyone keeps top decking, no way shit is not rigged
>>551745114wow look at that amazing midgame pressure from dirt so amazing so goodmanually evoing their dirt whore and still dying.
>>551746335Even in heaven, he's still making shadoba tanoshii.
>>551746332If roach was actually a viable deck that could deal with dirts midgame board then Raio wouldn't be as good. But forest has to spend all their resources just to survive and against anyone else rune can just stall with Norman.
>2nd chalice
>>551746332>has raios in deck>gets swept 3-0maybe its raio's fault
Velharia should be able to target amulets
>new exp tomorrow>holiday season with easy hype buildup>less than 10 cards revealed >2 deck meta espergs shilling to kill rest of possible hype Cy are unironically legit retarded
>>551746505drop her down to a 0/1
Velharia should be able to bear my offspring
>>551746332she's used for dirt mirror
I miss KMR. It just isn't the same without him.
Doesn't dirt just win here? call me crazy
>>551746332>t9 ho-chanhe clears the board retard
>>551746332Velharia banishes Normans barrier golems
Lucky that it didn't turn sagelight into another elim
>heals outside lethal rangeOf course
Every time.
Crest haven seems so strong here why did it fall off pro play
oh no he burned the cock!!.. who fucking cares he will just win by damage from this board state
Coc gone
>>551746908[insert some retarded post about how loot is gatekeeping the meta for dirt]
>>551746908He's on almost perfect curve and still struggling against rune
>>551746908we've been seeing crests with perfect curves
>>551746908try playing it you might be able to figure out yourself
>>551746993Isn’t it because he hard played tablet and nuked his deck
based benis
wait a minutehe spent his last banish on some random shitlollmao
>20 through a barrierholy shit
>>551747124funny isn't it?
>read the the thread >everyone glazing crest>open the stream>it lost
>>551746908short answer: lack of wards vs massive face burn
>>551746908Yeah
Only set 4 and there is already otk through barrier lmao
fat chink really managed to throw this
>>551746665crazy
>>551747132and a 6/8 taunt
Using the banish against random shit cost him the match.
here's how nerfing only sword and leaving rune untouched will save the meta:
If Haven won, it meant balanced meta and no nerfs
>letting lil stick as crestbig mistake
>crest with almost perfect hand>still loses I think rune is way too ridiculous, the consistency is something no other decks have.
Yep yep Yuuri will win against these two frauds, surely nobody here was stupid enough to pick anyone else.
salefa was lethal btwmore dmg from crest to face then finish with 2x gil spell
this is the important match, the non sword/rune decks.who wins this wins the match
>>551747197Losing satan while in tablet probably got him impatient
>>551747256All he had to do is hold the last banish.
AbyssGODs we'll pull through
DIAWL RAPE THIS UNDERAGED PRIEST ESPERANZA
>>551747274yeah no idea why you wouldn't salefa there and played rodeo instead
>no grim against modeIt's over
Did he just say chinpo...?
just in case you forgot, dirt also has a otk plan btw
>>551747318Yeah, that must've been rough to see at that point in the match. Threw him for a loop.
>>551747467He got there with 2 Raios
Not sure if I want to root for Haven or Abyss actually since I like both.
>>551747549the otk does not require raio
I want to take the game seriously next set, how fast do we usually get "resolved meta"? I keep playing pet / dogshit deck and be mad about it
>>551747346I'm trying to understand rodeo play there and I can't, salefa sevo + grim crest was full board clear there and more face dmghe choked ultra hard
hag time
>>551747621Probably first 3 weeks is petdeck central if there’s no tournaments to gauge results off of, like this set.
>>551747621Unless rune and sword get nerfed it's just going to be rune and sword again. Dragon and haven will pretend they got a good deck for a week but dont fall for the bait they will both be unplayable shit.
>>551747621Probably on day 1 because so far it looks like filler set
>>551746630He will return in shadoba's darkest hour to lead us to the promised tanoshii.
SHAMU PLEASE PLEASE COME OUT
the bricked battlenvm abyss got sham
What the fuck are these top decks man
This haven player nuked his deck with tablet again
>>551748061you dont get it because youre not chinese
>>551748061Looking for the cocc he burned last match.
>>551748061I'm wondering why he didn't want to try and out grind abyss here
>haven has 6 cards on deckIs it really worth it
>>551748061playing for satan
There is no universe where haven doesn't lose here btw
>>551748146barely ever works especially when he has no damage
haven doesn't have five permanent crests
Crest was fucked the moment he was on turn 7 and still with only 2 crests
Grimnirrrr
>>551748278I've heard this one before
>spam storm like a retard>forget theyd have lethal >they tunneled hard on the horsephew
time to add wilbert back into the deck
we play cerb here I think?
the top decks...
>topdeck coom chalice
>can't even use Satan without evo points
Nice tablets.
>>551748481Hardly top deck when he only has 2 cards in the deck.
result was predictable from the initial draw
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO DIAWL
>>551748530oh yeah I guess so
mishadow is a fraud, unfortunately...
why do retards pretend this game was close at all? because it took long to finish? it was basically decided by turn5
This agunomu fucker is going to win. I can feel it. My free pack...
The problem with his crest deck is that he wants to win with Satan
Why does this guy keep playing haven?
He's really sticking with Haven, huh
>don't play Grimnir before Marwynn>lose
it's his last deck you fucking retards
yeah he should play puppet wtf
Sword already won
>>551748725>>551748735lmao
Tell me this is the last match I want the reveals already
>>551748725>>551748735retards
>>551748821Second last set.
>>551748821its the last match of semifinals
huh
choking that crest dirt game... he doesn't deserve to move on tbqhdesu
Not bad hand for crest but it's not enough to win against sword.
I can't believe I am rooting for sword, FUCK CREST!
I can't believe I am rooting for haven, FUCK LOOT!
Needs benis
>>551748931Weird
BENISSSSSSSSSSSSS
Benis :DDDDDD
Yeah fuck benis
Draw into 1 copy of his BenisLuck shitter
I don't care if loot wins.I just need crest to lose.
>back to the hair fiddling
why did he fucking pop the DOGSHIT amuletthe play for the opp is almost guaranteed to involve albert/sinciro which you'll very likely want to kill
4 (formerly 2)PPHEALS10
>sword cucked by benisLike in the good old times.
If benis was 2pp he could have played devotee btw
Loot loses. It's balanced ergo no nerfs. Enjoy shadoba
>>551747346>>551747648its rigged the devs are in on it they're runnign a gambling ring and he was paid to throw
>>551749442yeah
gil double attack would be kino here
I thought loot gatekeeps crest
3rd time's the charm
Oh thank god I can continue to play loot without feeling guilty
agunomen we.... lost....
Benis 6pp next patch. Have fun
bros why didn't he gil, give her double attack, and use the boots on her bros?
It's not fair that Benis was nerfed. If anything it should be 1pp.
>>551748725>>551748735its first to 3 wins 1 with each deck, he HAS to play all 3 of his decks and win with it. its the format
>benis didn't need the nerf btw
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, MY ONE PACK... I can't believe the worst deck fucking won
im so fucking hyped, unironically
Oh, he's actually Chinese. I thought you guys were joking.
>>551749348because he would have lost without benis
time to start baking a new thread fat butt
this translator is making me coom litres
>I can not believe i rng in rng game
It's page six, calm thyself.
H O N E S T
He was playing better in rune and sword games
To be honest grimnir into marwynn into rodeo into Benis is too much
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCK CREST BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
will we get reveals after the games?
hagcunnyor in between? (she has fat tits)
does 2nd place get anything or is all the money for the winner?
Oh fucking finally.
>nip with tier 1 losing to tier 3 chinkThat's gonna send them weird message
HOLY SHIT PORTAL IS SAVED
holy fvark theyre showing off the new set its called 'Legends Rise'
Someone once called me "a schizo" for saying Crest Haven only fell out of grace because retarded nips dropped it histerically after the nerfs and every good sheep followed along.I'll just stop here.
>>551749687whatthis is the line i'm talking abouthe used delabrick amulet for 1-2 damage hereshit line
MOVE FOR THE FINAL>>551749962>>551749962>>551749962
nigga it's page 6
>>551749875Don't all participants get minimum 500k(?) yen? I'm pretty sure I saw a picture around somewhere
>>551749993Retard
