Previous: >>551663225What is Duet Night Abyss?Duet Night Abyss is a free-to-play action role-playing game where all the characters and weapons can be obtained for completely free by grinding or farming them in-game.FAQ (Read this for an introduction to the game)https://rentry.org/dnaguideCharacter recommendations can be slightly outdated. Please follow the Immersive Theater cycle or ask in thread for more up-to-date character recommendations.Useful Linkshttps://rentry.org/edyo3dhzImmersive Theater CycleCurrent Theater Unit: FinaThis Period's Recommended Elements: Anemo and Hydro1.1 Livestreamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea33bV3L-LI [Embed]https://duetnightabyss.dna-panstudio.com/en/#/news/content?id=8797Duet Night Abyss: Huaxu Version Launches December 23New CodesGIFTOFAUGURYGIFTOFREVERIEGIFTOFHEARTHICXFAPGIFTOFBLOOM/dna/ OP pastebin (use this if making new thread):https://rentry.org/eoh8x23k
milking the evil out of zhilius fat tits
>Current Theater Unit: Fina
>>551796618if you was too lazy to do the op dont complain about my lazy ass doing a lazy copy and paste of the op then
lunos fucking love bread
>>551796320most will have 65 by 1.2, that's when the tutorial ends
I want to bread lunos
Exploration10 is so much comfier than Exploration30.
>>551796362My Psyche:>i2> 8 / max / 8 skills>no golden wedges only her special weapon has full golden +0>no smelted weapons>use fina+ fushu supportWhat is her biggest powerspike to work on? Like which DW should i grind first, hasturs thing?
>>551797915probably zephr and then the rest of her wedges to +7then max duping her stat sticc gun.just check how much skill dmg you get per upgrade. each upgrade at this point is about 100 letters.
p2w crap game. EOS EOS EOS!
>posture costs 100 free prisms>P2Wwhy can't you just...buy it? there's nothing else in the prism shop worth jack
>>551797915volition? no cap on that either
This ball event is just a way to make players burn resources so they're fucked in a patch or two when said resources will be needed or wanted in great quantities
>>551798732Dyes?
>free
>>551798937I think it's just a measurement tool for the devs to find out how dead the servers are
I am saving all my prism for when they make the dye system less shit
>>551799128They are going to merge the servers into one server.
>>551799128I'm pretty sure they have accurate data on the playerbase even without an event like this.The only thing this event accomplished is reveal to everyone how dead the game really is.
Hear me out, increase commission length but make it so you drop more clues.Less spam clicking, more feeling of actual gameplay.At 20-40 seconds per clear you're just watching a gacha pull animation to choose 3 at the end of the stage.
>>551797915Zephyr > Griffin > Duel > Volition > Volition ChangelingIf you feel like you're running out of sanity, add Wings Inspo in front of Griffin in the priority order, or consider farming 30 blue Inspos to build the new Wings Inspo and get it to +7
>>551798395>>551798768>>551799564k thanks
Will i reach to 1k green books before EOS?
>>551799564Griffin is definitely not a higher priority than Duel.
>>551800101also i dont know by how you wrote it but your wings weapon is very important for dmg too so maze farming is something to do for that as well
>>551800708I was nearly there but then I decided to go back to farming wedges today so now I'm back down to like 700.
>>551800754I didn't feel much difference from Duel desu
>>551799460do you not understand why there's a lot of very short rounds?short rounds with low drop rate consume books faster for less gain>a mission that lasts 20 seconds and drops X, you get 2X with a book>a mission that lasts 20 minutes and drops 20X, you get 40X with a single bookit's simply not viable for their drop boost system to have long missions, especially those that need coop
fuck off again with your p2w crap
>>551800754Doesn't really matter since Duel and Griffin are farmed at the same time, and you'll get Duel to +10 long before Griffin. The attack boost from Griffin is multiplicative with blaze which makes it better than you would think
ATK stat does nothing when i use SKILL dmg?
Just buy the emote you poorfag.
It's probably the only game in my memory where the "apologems" paid for maint and fuckups aren't simply given in jewishly small quantities, but have 0 inherent value by default.How do you even do that?
Where is the new lvl 50 luno coin farm? i can't find it or do i need to story or some shit
Anyone knows how dynamic quests spawn? I need to get the cat one for a side quest. I know it's in that central co-op area but it doesn't appear.
>>551801798>and you'll get Duel to +10 long before GriffinThat's true. You'll need to farming 50 Duels and 50 Intrepiditys to get 50 Griffins.
>>551802474you remove the gacha it was used to pull last minute and have nothing to replace it with lol we are in the midst of them trying to fix their huge core gameplay change people dont understand that this will take months to rectify
>>551802474I guess they wisened up on the memes and started handing sizeable batches of Phoxene, but maybe it was only a one time thing, as that happened after the Steam fiasco
>>551802616You need to idle at the central for a while and it will appear, then it will appear near the theatre at some point.
>>551802559nvm im retarded i thought i had to unlock it its just replaced the old one lol
>Complaining/Airing grievances about the gameGood, if the game is shit let the devs know.>Still playing the game after calling it shitYou are now part of the captive audience and nothing you say matters.Use a macro.
Is Snow breedable
>>551802298It does.ATK is the base value for all sources of damage (except for characters who scale with HP).Skill DMG (the stat) is a multiplier.And you have two damage types: Weapon Damage (separated into melee and ranged inside Maze) and Skill Damage.Consonance weapons scale with Skill DMG (the stat) but deal Weapon Damage. This is important because there are buffs that increase your Skill Damage (damage type) not the stat and Consonance weapons aren't affected by these since they need buffs that increase Weapon Damage.It's very confusing because the incompetent localizers use "Skill DMG" and "Skill Damage" interchangeably so there's no easy way to tell whether it's the stat or the damage type.
>>551803527Yeah but your children will be purebreed Lunos. Luno genetics dominate in full for the offpsring.
>>551803527only after one hour of tongue fucking and you have to lick her pointy ears during copulation
>>551803718>incompetent localizers use "Skill DMG" and "Skill Damage" interchangeablyFucking hell. I have yet to see a single mobage that has a good translation.
>>551804007Literally all they need to do is use "Skill DMG" for the damage type and change the stat to "Skill Power."It's actually insane that 1.1 didn't fix this shit.
>>551804495they use aislop to translateit can't tell the difference since it lacks context
I didn't realize there was an event I was supposed to be doingDid I kill the game?
>>551804645I don't think so. CZN definitely used AI and it's waaaaay worse than DNA's localization.
>play male mc>go to china>"oh hey there onee-san and her little luno friend"That happened like 3-4 times during the story, both in text and VA.Do they actually not give a shit?
>>551804645>>551804836Also, I'm pretty sure that when someone used mtl to translate the Chinese or Japanese text it translated the stat as "skill power" while the damage type was translated as "skill damage" so if they didn't use some AI it probably wouldn't have fucked up this bad. it screams lazy tranny job.
Selfinserttard getting put in place lmao.
>>551805197All chink gachas are centered on feMC. Male MCs are always an after thought
>>551805197Female Charon is the canon. They didn't expect anyone to pick the twink.>>551805286>>>>self-inserters>with a faggot twink like thatIt's fujos.
>>551805345>All chink gachas are centered on feMCWhat about wuwa? You can't even play that game as a straight girl because the girls get flirty with the MC no matter the gender.
>pick feMC>every character interaction is guaranteed yuri slop
Did 1.1 add any new weekly chores? I'd like to know so I can budget what little time is left in the week accordingly.
>>551805976What did you expect?
>pick feMC>every female character interaction is yuriKINO or futaKINOVgh...so...zased...
>>551805887Wuwa is the most hetero game out there with Snowbreak
I need futavita porn where she is fucking all the girls.
>>551805887>as a straight girlFuck 3DPDsThem going back to the kitchen isn't enoughThey should go back to the basement
>>551806551eat some futa mom cereal and calm down, milk will be served soon
>>551806551If only I could get the shitty Regional Prompter to work...
>nothing but gleaming shit in 15 runs with 100% drop rateare you fucking kidding me?
>>551806652I do think mom phenotype characters like Nifle and Zhiliu make for good futas.
>>551807353I personally prefer the gap moe of such characters getting dominated by younger futas
>futafag has performed mitosis grim
>no one here wants loli nifle ryona
>>551807781ur just jealous that ur not gay lamo
Now what?
>>551807570I like either way to be desu. The only futa I don't particularly like or care for is loli futa. There's no real difference between a loli futa and a trap so it completely defeats the purpose of futa for me. The loli can be the receiver tho.
>>551808058>bricking yourself a week before the event
>>551808226A D D I T I V E
>>551808320B R I C K I T A T I V E
>>551803718>ATK is the base value for all sources of damageSo this is why i have to play my maxed out i6, full golden max level wedges, fully smelted weapons Nifle with 6x scorches... i see...
>>551808320It's already confirmed its multiplicative bro...
>>551805887What about it? Fem Rover is clearly superior with how hot of a babe she is. /wuwag/ being full of mentally ill indians and SEAfags who feel the need to self insert aren't representative of the game. If you look carefully, you will see even in that place there's a lot of players using feMC, it's just that male MC faggots are very vocal, the insecure children actually go out of their way to attack posts which have feMC in attached image, even if the post wasn't talking about MC's gender.People who constantly selfinsert are subhumans, not much different from trannies with their need to constantly talk about their personal choice and attacking anyone else. I'm just enjoying the cute girls in peace and don't concern myself with their petty wars.
>>551807941>loli ryona
But what if I want a male MC that I don't self-insert as or want to fuck?
Futa male MC
>>551804764chill tfo. it goes for 20 more days and rewards are automated, pretty much and rest can be done in an hour
>>551809114Then I'm assuming you want a likeable, admirable MC which this twink faggot for sure is not.
>>551809114male mc exists to be fucked by futamc
>Even Theatre can be afkWhat's your excuse for not having Psyche i6?https://x.com/comyu1224/status/2005227301387346373
>>551809268Mors looks more like a repressed twink faggot thoughbeit.
>>551809281I'm not a metafag.
>>551809281of course it can beespecially the previous theatre since it was way weaker
So the big Chase buff is that you get to directly buy one (1) blueprint a weak? Fucking lmao.
>>551809878>>551806195
>>551809878And you can't even go all in on one because they are limited to two purchases per month. FUCKING LMAO.
>>551809114you don't exist even metafags don't want to see males that's why in many gacha games they're supports or healers with quick rotations to minimize accidental boners
>>551810528>to minimize accidental bonersmetfags are...fags?
so just so i am fully understanding the secret letter knockoff warframe relic cracking, i need to farm a boss 5 times max a week, to get a few chances at then unlocking a10% chance at rolling a few fragments of which i need like 30 of for....one copy of the characteris there a way to reset boss rewards early?is there a way to boost relic/secret letter drop chance via upgrading itdoes pooling secret letters in matchmaking help chances?
>>551809114Then it's perfectly fine anon. Personally I don't think twink MCs satisfy those requirements but if you're happy with them, more power to you.
Is MC actually even a character?Aren't you just controlling a plot device that's supposed to save the world and make every character horny for the player?Does it even matter if it's a human or a giant piece of tofu?
>>551811283It takes roughly 20 letters per 30 thoughts, a bit more for first unlock.No way to increase the weekly gains. First clear of each difficulty doesn't consume attempts tho.
>>551811620This MC is actually a character who has convictions. It was quite refreshing.
Wait, you need 2 (TWO) wedges to upgrade to +8??? Don't tell me it's gonna be 3 for the next upgrade.
i want to rape snow
>>551809878you wont farm much more mats than that anyway
>>551811996>Don't tell me it's gonna be 3 for the next upgrade.good news anon, you wont need 3 for +9 you'll need 3 for +10
>>551811620>Is MC actually even a character?Yes, he's in the game after all>Aren't you just controlling a plot deviceYes, and I insert myself as her when the story fits my fetishes and moral leaning, and view her as a plot device unrelated to me when it doesn't>Does it even matter if it's a humanYes, can't have sexual thoughts otherwise>inb4 tofu se-Freaks don't count
>>551811283Correct but each month a new character enters the shop from the weekly pool, becoming freely farmable.Newly released characters debut in the theatre where you can get 65 thoughts for them which is generally enough for 3 copies unless you get really unlucky. Then they enter the weekly pool, replacing a character there and that's who enters the shop.
>>551811283you get 2 fragments per letter as a silver drop, and 10 fragments as a gold droptotal frag drop rate is statistically 1.5 fragments per letter, so 140 letters is 210 fragments +-10drop chances are set and cannot be changed boosted or affected in any way, there is only 1 difficulty level for covert ops that does not change either10% drop rate seed is unique per letter, so if you open 30 completely different letters in a row, you will have an astronomically low chance of getting a gold dropcoop does not affect drop rates, and you cannot select loot that drops from their letters, they only help you clear the mission fasteryou can get letters from the shop by converting letter clues, or from bossesfirst clear of a boss difficulty tier is free, so you get rewards for clearing a certain LVL once (per lifetime) without wasting a weekly attemptweekly attempts are reset every week on monday, retreating or failing a bossfight does not consume the attempttheater rewards rotate to bosses once a month, and boss rewards rotate to the secret letter shop at the same time, so look it up
>>551811996>Don't tell me it's gonna be 3 for the next upgrade.nah, dont be sillyits three for the last upgrade
>>551811620Have you considered playing the game? Vita has a ton of personality.
Did anybody found all readables? I scoured all of china (and icelake too) and there are still some missing in each region.
>>551811620MC is actually a great character narratively; they're not a deliberate void of self like the vast majority of mobile game MCs are, and while your dialogue choices don't really change the outcome of story beats, they do work very well in letting you envision a certain personality as different choices give different responses.This was one of the few near-unanimous points of praise anons were giving DNA when it launched... but unfortunately, it's also one of those points that only gets to shine during large story updates, so it doesn't do much for the game's popularity.
So Nifles main damage is her ranged weapon using her i6 trigger to spam?
>>551811620MC is a character the plot device is her cock
I think if they made it so you can exchange like 8 of the wedges you get in the targeted manual runs for a single wedge that'd be good, because it makes farming rare drops feel a little less shit, since even the non drops you get can contribute toward your farm.
futamc and berry stranded on an island for years, why dont they have any kids? is berry barren?
>>551813641Better yet, farming wedges could drop a guaranteed minimum currency that could be used to buy any wedge you want, so you'll feel pain by grinding the first few wedges, but be able to free yourself from the pain of grinding the worst/final wedges of a buildThough I fear Pan, in their usual wisdom, will make it so 100 wedge runs would only allow you to buy 1 wedge lmao
>>551813641Nah it should be any 5 of same or 10 of same rarity but respecting shop.On expulsion and not manual itself be 2 only as that shit has only 1 drop per stage and is never better than manual.
>>551814297Imagine the oyakodon if they had...
Is teleporting between towers canon or is it just a convenience thing
>>551814779ConvenienceTravel is done by airships, ships, and trains. Cars exist, but so far they've been used as a means to reach the stations that house the other, main means of transportation
>>551815130how come we get missions to go to purgatorio then? seems outta place
>>551809114>>551811620>>551812994you sound uneducated and poor
>>551815675>missions to go to purgatorioDid we return to Purgatorio at some point in the main story?
>>551816050you get a side-quest to grab some stuff an old man forgot decades ago when he lived there
>>551816050No.>>551816134That's as canon as Berry chilling out in Sanctuary is. Prior to Huaxu, we hadn't left Icelake since we first reached it.
>>551813342No. Her main damage comes from using her ult and spamming her skill. The bow spam is only good for large packs of enemies.
>>551816530>Berry chilling out in Sanctuaryis acknowledged in dialogue as an inconsistency, so it might aswell be canongoing to purgatorio is a plothole
>zoom in luno face>time wasting question
is coffee good for you?
>>551816134>side-questYeah don't take them as full canon. In principle, it should be possible because MC has a temporary permit to leave and enter the city, and by now should have the coins necessary to pay for a trip to Purgatorio, but no money is discounted from our balance, so it could be argued that even the game doesn't consider it canon, or at least not full canon
>>551816983
>fushu is 100+ years oldgilf acquired
>>551817101Only if it's prepared using Lisbell's piss
>>551817171nifle is twice over that, and immortal
>>551796730truffle naizuri.truffle armpit sex.truffle gokkun.
>managed to buy out the fish shop in just a couple of daysso this is the power of at peace....
its so over shes dead
>>551816859>is acknowledged in dialogue as an inconsistency, so it might aswell be canonAbsolutely not, for the same reason being able to play in Purgatorio is NOT a plothole. Both are gameplay conveniences and are treated as such, with the dialogue for Berry solely being being a tongue-in-cheek way of letting (You) settle her there as decor. What, did you think that being able to chat with Saiki in Sanctuary even after finishing her current questline means she isn't dead?
does rythm even need max sanity + cost reduction?
i want fufeng as a genimon for fushu
>>551819156
>>551818545I want to glue my tongue forever in her inviting armpits...
How do you justify 3 hours of story and 0 hours of gameplay?
>>551817171futamc revitalizing those ancient withered eggs with her hypervirile seed
1.2 will fix EVERYTHING
>>551819467Copium of such high degrees of refinement that they're coveted by the likes of /czn/ and /bd2g/
There was an anon who told me once to read the patch notes and I am now realizing I haven't read any game's patch notes since Final Fantasy XI. I used to reach every word as soon as the patch notes dropped and now I do not care to read any.I wonder what it is about newer games, like DNA, that make me not care to read the notes when I certainly used to.
>>551820535Perhaps because deep down you know nothing is truly being fixed
Thinking of playing Vintage Story while I macro DNA in the background.Anyone know if it's fun?
>>551818795NTA but what inconvenience would there be with NOT having a sidequest that has the MC going to Purgatorio island? That sidequest could've not been there at all. Or easily rewritten in a way that he could talk about Purgatorio Island without requiring the MC to bring an item directly from there.The gameplay convenience is being able to go back to the Purgatorio Island map. The plothole is having a quest where the events say the MC actually did go there and back to Icelake.
>Escort>target is always male
That one idea from last thread about a co-op all in one long farm mission was really good, but because chinks are bizarre organisms we will never get it.
>>551819467ask /hsrg/.and it's actually 8 hours of (anti)story.
>>551820535Social media and short-form content brainrot.
No, I will not play your shitty minigame. I just won't take the Demon King title.
>>551820535i literally never read patch notes, if something relevant happens people will let me know
EXPLODE SINGLE ROLLED FUSHU IS MINE
>>551823238explode
>>551823376im struggling to choose the extra stuff i want, i might skip the weapon so i can get aura's footprints helix jump etc you can put it on more characters
Wow, not only does Rendhusk make me do more damage with my Rhythm E it also animation cancels faster. Noticeably higher single target damage switching to Rendhusk.
I still haven't rolled a single time.They said the game has no gacha so I'm playing the game as no gacha.
>Rendcuck
If you use good weapons for your character I'm not going to like it very much!!!
im saving all my free pulls for Lisbell microbikini
>>551825673Same, but for Fina.
>>551825381it's ok. as long as you use it to boost katana damage. it sucks for everything else. even the reload sucks because it's too fast and the timing for chain reloading to glide is awkward.
How many clues do I need to +10 a wedge?
>>551825905Good for Rhythm mains.
>>551826035800>>551824843>>551825381Rendhusk is for white boys.
>>551826145no.rhythmfags can eat a dick.i use rendhusk for momiji with tabethe and margie.
>>551826145NTA but which katana do you even use for Rhythm? Sacred Favour or Momiji?
>>551826301Oh, that's not too bad. I thought it would be 1.5k or something.
>>551826456I never said anything about a Katana. I typically don't use one because she doesn't need to swing her melee weapon ever but if you were going to use one Sacred Favor would be the better of the two.
>>551826456Sacred favour is probably better but you'd have to be crazy to spend several weeks of bosses to s5 it, unless you're really committed to katana play because it's the only way your main can do damage
can you ignore katana and use serenade instead?
>>551826516800 is if you're exceptionally lucky. Average is between 900-1100
>>551826881Which wedges would you use for it?
>>551827539the ones that give more damage, and more damageand also damage
>>551827889Oh yeah? Which ones... specifically?
alright im gonna say it, the devs need to sell bikini's for all characters for 10-20$, aura's for 5-10$, footprints for 5-10$, plunge and helix jumps for 5-10$ they would make a killing this is the shit that will sell the most not this tiny keychain shit on the hip although yes i know there is a market for that tooi really like the helix jump, plunge attack, aura and footprints btw this just makes the game feel fresh with fushu thats easy as fuck to sell man
>>551828038How do I turn off the rubber duck effect?
Playing old as fuck looter shooter/rpgs made me appreciate them more after total boredom that is weapon damage of DNA. Devs should play a couple of games like that (Hellgate London, Borderlands) plus actual Warframe instead of just watching trailer and some streamer once and then deciding to waste millions of dollars on their game that is not really fun to play.
>>551827993there's a dps increasing oneanother one that increases dpsuugh, one that gives more dpsseveral that increase damage per secondand also the one for damage, over time, actually seconds
>>551828403Cool, what are their names?
>>551828270you will embrace the duck
>>551828038That bikini is worth 7$ max, and that's really pushing it. It's just not that goodAll else should cost at most 2$
>>551828330wasn't hellgate a failed MMO?
>>551827993build for dps fina and serenade
>>551828609where do you get that from your ass? its animated that shit takes dev time to make
>>551828839The animation just isn't outstanding enough to be worth 10 to 20$. What slop have you been consuming?
>>551828038the current gacha for just costumes sucksi spent every pull I had and got absolutely nothing. Now I need to swipe or wait for 5 more pulls to hard pity her ass
>>551828623Yes but then other publisher relaunched it as a sp game ~7 years ago. If DNA devs don't want to follow them into an early grave at very least they should make gunplay and melee gameplay fun because if it's not fun why bother? I'm already tired of only spamming 1/2 skills for eternity and only Nifle being able to use two weapons out of like 40 with a great success is just silly.
>>551828786Thanks bro
>>551829069>i spent every pull I had and got absolutely nothing. Now I need to swipe or wait for 5 more pulls to hard pity her assi was in that scenario and i just lucked it with a single, you will have enough in 21 days for it if you do wait and its worth it just for the outfit if you get lucky and get 50 for the rest of the stuff too its gg >>551829052>What slop have you been consuming?triple A gaming
>>551828786What exactly is the point in putting eternity on fina?
Besides rework of the weapons' damage, I'd like to see guns sounding like real guns, stronger recoil, and better firing animation/effectsI'd greatly welcome reworking most weapons' design to look more realistic too
>>551829763they improved hit sounds for enemies this patch, so we might not be that far off
I feel like weapons aren't even nearly as bad as people say but no one actually has +10 wedges in their weapons. Mine don't do too bad and I just have a few +9s.
>>551829763movement buff too, playing the story and chase they seem to be playing around with the movement buffs in there
Do other "gachas" treat their mobile ports as second-class citizens or actually cuck themselves in favour of that platform?I just have a feeling these devs are going to jump ship and focus entirely on PC.
>>551830389The improvement to mobile from 1.0 to 1.1 was very good so i doubt it.They just said they hired a new team too
>>551829763Stalker anime edition
>>551830016How do you measure "not as a bad"'?It's kinda tricky, for some people the fact that they don't do enough damage as the skill makes them all garbage.That's why some suggestion like increasing the damage a little would do jackshit without other specific tweaks, the experience can vary from person to person
>>551829763> reworking most weapons' design to look more realistic tooWhat do you mean by more realistic? I'd like some more goofier shit like the sawblade gun. Reminds me of Gunfire Reborn. It would make them more unique than being yet another basic bullet dispenser found in every shooter. Melee weapons with impractical decorative designs are a staple for anime-styled games.>>551830024I do hope they're looking into it. Using the helix jump felt nice in that part of the story because you actually went faster with it. I thought helix jump would be a bigger part of the game's movement with how it was initially featured. Then it turned out to be about the same speed as sprint for horizontal travel and similar to regular jump + dash to cross over gaps. It's a glorified vertical super jump in its current state. This is the case even without the existence of piercing ascent.
>>551831414What's the point of even having character specific kits with their own skills if the weapons are on par? Also, if weapons did the same as skills wouldn't characters like Outsider and Kezhou just be the best characters in the game by default? Seems like a bad idea to me.
>>551829763They better make gun fire (melee too) more impactful with enemies actually reacting to your damage on them and have intelligence to bounce back when they get too damaged or throw some ranged attack at you. They also need some new stunned animation after got hit too many times in a row and death animation with some death scream and a bit of blood (gore is too much for gentle chinese souls). Also give us headshots with satisfying sound while landing them and huge dmg bonus.
>>551829763>I'd greatly welcome reworking most weapons' design to look more realistic tooNah that's gay they should have realistic but also many very goofy and imaginative fantasy and scifi guns. You will be too limited by having just real guns, they would just be balanced around rof, accuracy, dmg and mag size. It will mean that everyone would be using same american isekaied AR due having most balanced stats.
Lisbell...
>>551831707Outsider would immediately become GODSIDER.
>>551831482>What do you mean by more realistic?Like pic rel instead of the nonsense alien ones that most guns look likeI'm not advocating for changing the design of funny guns like Guixu btw>>551831773Oh yeah, those are good ones too
>>551831707character skills are supposed to be finite and use SANITY a limited, slowly regenerating resource that can be refilled with drops from enemiesthese hacks just gave you infinite of that resource and ability to cut ability costs down to fucking nothingguns are supposed to be second choice since ammo is less scarcethen you have melee when nothing else works or you have a gimmick that can use itthere is no resource management in this game, those craftable hp/san/ammo vials are fucking useless
>>551829502makes the ult cost a bit less, but i guess fushu exists nowit's not a 4th scorch so easier grindlow hp for resolve is impossible to get and skill dmg does nothing for weapon dmg, so every other wedge sucksit should be a 4th scorch, but only if you want to grind another 50 wedges for a meme build.
>>551832948>a 4th scorchcan't you get the stackable atk one to +10 instead?
>>551832887I am glad they fucked up and made a more fun game than what you describe. Running out of skill juice isn't fun.
>>551831707Hey, don't ask me, that's what i have seen people say. Weapons are complicated to balance precisely of what you said, they are an extension of a character kit... for some, for others they are not used.Weapon is something that should be balance together with the characters precisely because of that and since the character itself also require balance its a whole shit show.
>>551832448peak
>he wants realistic gunstime to welcome my Nebelwerfer
Golden micro bikini for Nifle soon
>>551833125Warframe has energy and ammo management but only till certain point as you can craft unlimited of pizzas to recover them just by placing them and waiting for few seconds
>>551826301>is for white boys
do the store chars rotate regularly, on like a season basis or are some locked to bosses permanently?i want to start unlocking chars but dont know if i should wait a bit.
>>551831707in w*rframe some units had horrible dps skills. You brought them for utility like shields or more loot. They needed weapons to actually do dmg. They could never compete with a fully geared dps frame with their own consonance weapon.Here, the most utility is fucking Randy. Everyone here just does damage or healing+buffs.
>>551833758>>551834207Oh, so it's just Warfags mad the game didn't copy more? Whatever.
>>551833070>stackable atk oneis that not scorch. she already has 3 at +10 and ideally if you want to farm 50 more light wedges for it, get a 4th.
>>551834359no, the one with duel's icon that gets up to 120%~ atk from kills
>>551834207>can't chill in randy's throne with a minigun going full blastbros? we missed out on some peak soul
>>551833505>open MOWAS1>select Germany>select St. Hilaire>reach the last few caps>spawn 2 Sturmtigers>fall back>have fun bombing Allies for hoursVgh...Kino...
Which fishing spot is the best again?
>>551834145One character to the permanent shop and one character to weekly each month.Most characters don't really matter as they require balance or ar bad, Rhythm was the only worth a damn from weeklies and she's in next rotation, so i advice to use your weeklies on recently added characters like Psyche or Fina and their weapons or copies.
>>551834557OH onslaughthuh. yeah that's a good option if you aren't taking her into theater against bosses. at max rank that adds 165 atk vs a scorch 176 atk.close enough. good idea
Sweet I found another Ardent Boxie that I can use to max out my Shiny Boxie.
>>551834781Hall of Ephemerality > EverSpring > Icelake > Tidesong Cavern > Haze Market > Purgatorio >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sewers
>>551835217Thanks
>>551834145Once a character is available in the store, it will always be there, they don't rotate back into weekly bosses. Everything from weekly bosses will move into the shop at some point later on and be replaced by newer things.
>>551835217>male
>>551833758>you can craft unlimited of pizzas to recover themYou can do that almost passively very easily.The devs care so little they powercrept energize.>>551831707>What's the point of even having character specific kits with their own skills if the weapons are on par?Whats the point of having Lisbell when Nifle exists? Having good weapons allows you to have options.>wouldn't characters like Outsider and Kezhou just be the bestA character whose kit entire point is to use weapons should make weapons strong as fuck. Yes. Specially since you're actually investing in both the character and weapon in question.And remember that the opposite is true: Character's that have skills that do fuck all for damage will be able to contribute way more if they have a proper weapon. See Momiji Tabethe.Besides, you don't need to make all weapons on par with nifle's blast. You can have dps-focused weapons like momiji deal a lot of damage AND skill focused weapons like embla that make it so a weapon platform character and a skill nuke character are on similar levels(and they should, assuming both are DPS).It's all a matter of balance.>>551834207>You brought them for utility like shields or more loot.Tabethe suffers more from this than Hydroid, though. She presses E and deals 0 damage.It was a problem and still is a problem.>>551834320I can't speak for other people, but i just want to have both characters that feel nice to play and guns that feel nice to play. As i said above, momiji is a good example that even viabilizes characters that would otherwise be fucked.Balance.
>>551835882>Whats the point of having Lisbell when Nifle exists? Having good weapons allows you to have options.Glad you agree Lisbell should be removed.
>>551836003NO WAIT THATS NOT WHAT I MEANT
>>551835882If you want to use weapons just pick Outisder and grind your weapon wedges.
If rendhusk is being used, is there any reason to max out the sword with atk stat?
>>551828330>Hellgate Londonthanks for reminding me that exists.i wanted to play it forever ago but then time passed and forgot.
I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
>>551834984so with rythmn being in rotation, meaning she gets added to the boss weekly drops? do we know upfront who gets added to the normal shop next?and if not and have a chunk of letter tickets for the store i should just us them now?
>>551836424for gun fina, you want the atk sword since she actually uses the gunit all gives rank anyway
>>551836872Lisbell now, rythm later
>>551836872if the pattern continues then hellfire and truffle are next next
>moved everything to linux>game doesn't work>steam release god knows when it'll comeoh well, if I will still remember about the game when it will actually release on steam then, i will return, i had my fun i guess
>>551836872>meaning she gets added to the boss weekly drops?No, she's on a weekly boss now, she will added to the permanent, that's why is advised to not use weekly attempts on her now, as that would be a total waste.
>>551808726wuwa has extremely hot females and extremely gay males, I guess they cant make masculine men no matter what
I'm really mad we can't use the Demon King title along with Lover.
>>551809114gacha games and this by extent dna, which still wants to be a gacha game without the gacha, as the devs showed us, will never have this type of male MC. You need to change genres, I'm sorry anon, it is what it is.
>>551837529>can use Butterfly-Honored with LoverHehe, Saikige
>>551837771You can't use Butterfly with Lover though.I wish you could do a combo for ANY character honestly. The best we can do is stretch it.
>>551838276Average Pan moment
>>551837079>>551837015nice, thanks. there is no timer itself on the store, is it more of a seasonal thing on rotation or more of a weekly/monthly thing?
how do i build psyche`s icarus?
>>551838853every time theater ends, a unit and weapon goes from theater to weekly and a unit and weapon goes from weekly to shoponce they're in the shop they are there forever
>>551839798speed multi crit crit
>>551839798FoldoverCelerityFocusRage
>>551840102>>551840185thank you both, kinda sad i went gold wedges on att first :(
>>551840412Not that big of a problem, you'll eventually want to have all wedges anyway
>>551840627true i guessim shit at vidya anywaysil need all the wedges i can get
I'm quite excited for the next Theatre, I want to see how far I can get with all odds stacked against mai waifu
>>551840412lynn uses that one so it's fine
>range weapon attack speed affects how quickly you can spam E with RhythmI guess it's time to make a +10 Celerity for my guns.
>>551841376>lynnWho? I only use Nifle, Rhythm, Psyche, Outsider and their supports.
>>551841614The buttslut with skin tight fetish that cosplays as a wild west cowboy
>>551841848Oh. I never use her so what's good for her doesn't really matter too much.
>>551841376i see. cooli like her for defence so thats greatid like to extend my penis and thank yous to the anon who suggested going saieki fusho and finasaved my life in theatre due to only having purplesi thought i was gonna quit, you saved me.
>>551841216Are they finally going to stop Anemo shilling?
>>551842374Yes. It'll be Electro, and I think Hydro
>>551842625Even though Kezhou is Lumino? Is he really cucked out of his own Theatre? Surely not.
>>551842374>>551842625>Are they finally going to stop Anemo shilling?
finished act 12 without killing all the boss mobs lmao
Phoxhunters, please claim today's Redemption Code: GIFTOFIMPRINT RewardsLuno Memento × 15>15 cunnycoins
>>551844323CUNNY COINS
>>551844480good onehearty chuckle
Is it better to do Expulsion 40 for the new wings?
>>551844323>1 defense wavepan studio sure is generous
alright this fushu bikini makes me want to main her please tell me you can make this gilf into a main dps with i6 and all that jazz
>>551846259Her I6 can turn her into a decent melee DPSThat's all
>>551846451how is she with gold and or max gold wedges? i only have purples at i1 atm
>>551846259I hope you like katanas
>>551846653No idea, haven't bothered to unlock her. Just beware Hydro Changelings are releasing I think in the next patch, and they give crazy retarded Skill DMG to her, so don't go overdrive on farming for gold Volitions
i just found out you can put the same aura, plunge, footprints, and helix jump cosmetics on all 3 of your characters at the same time basically one cosmetic fits the whole team, based devs not doing that goblin money squeezing shit studios do im for sure going to buy a fuck load of cosmetics when this hits steam >>551846664isnt her sig best in slot?>>551846950its hydro now in theatre isnt it? you mean they are rotating anemo out? with what?
>>551847378her sig is amazing at buffing the team. it's a tiny tabethe in your handbut for personal damage, one of the best weapons is the momiji katana
>>551847553ill keep this in mind when i i6 her because im going to main her
is the videogame good yet?
Stupid Shiny Boxy keeps avoiding since day one. I hope the devs gives an easier way farming the Geniemons, because I think Mr. Goodnights are much more common now than the Body.
>>551847830Duet Night Abyss is probably one of the video games ever made
>>551847830whats good to you
Should I focus on Psyche or Rhythm.
>>551848101*Boxy
>>551848130>one of the video games ever madeI guess you aren't technically wrong there.
save for su yi!
Lisbell buffs when
>>551848417lisbell prime coming with 1.5 where we save berry prime
>>551848417When she hops on my bed
>>551848413did you forget dna is not a gacha? save what exactly anon? btw i am looking forward to what she can do with the cannons from the leaks
>>551848792NTA but she will probably be getting a gacha skin so save for that I guess. Though that means skipping over the Fushu and (likely) Zhiliu skin, unless you're willing to risk burning rolls without hitting pity.
>>551848792virgin killer dress with paizuri hole
>>551849304i dont think its possible to save for skins as a f2p if we only get 10 per character thats 9 character banners you have to skip to 100% get it so i just spent mine on fushu
>>551849439>97. Remember the 20 time-limited rolls the banner gives you
>>551849434i can see the outfit being really good enjoy it anon as im enjoying fushu's
>>551849637good point so 3 months of skipping to get a free outfit? not bad i do think they need to add 10 standard and premium rolls to the monthly pass but thats just my opinion when i compare it to say wuwa, you get 1 roll a day for logging in with monthly you should get the same for this but half split it 10 premium 10 standard because as you said 70 is 100% i think everyone would get monthly if they did that maybe add shards or something in there too for the final 10 days thats what the monthly is for and people wont get it unless thats whats put into it maybe i said too much with shards in there but banner rolls 100% need to be in it, thats what monthly is for in these games
>>551850221Sexo
>>551850221
>>551850221>>551850527Supremely based. I've been saving my hourglasses for a potential future Margie skin, but between the sheer unlikelihood of such a skin and the fact that the qipao skin is already pure unadulterated Sola sex, I think I'm already satisfied for the time being.
>>551832948Why would I want to play with Fina?
>>551850113I don't think it's really fair to compare the rates directly to gacha games. DNA already allows the players to easily get all characters for free without using any of their rolls. Gacha games gate the character unlock itself behind the rolls. If gacha games are too stingy with the rolls, people just can't get characters to play the game. If DNA is too stingy with the rolls, people can skip the cosmetics and still play the game.That said, I do think the current rates are too expensive. The F2P rate of 15 rolls/month is fine but players that spend should get more out of it. Why does the posture require 50 prisms and for only 1 color? Are there that many whales hitting the gold reward 2 times extra (on average) for it? Only Pan Studios knows their actual sales data so maybe that's why they don't cut it down. In my opinion, way more people would consider rolling for prisms if the posture only cost 25 prisms, and another 25 prisms gives you enough to grab 1 of each accessory to complete the skin set.
>character covert missions didn't changewtf?
This is the 7th week in a row that I got below average letters from the weekly boss attempts. Why can't they just set the letters to always give 4? I see 3 drop so fucking often but almost never 5.
>>551844480I don't get it...
Would wuwa be good to play while dna macros on the side?
>>551852310Wait you can get premium rolls? where? i dont' care about skins just curious
>>551855964Login event and prism shop
>>551854575Maybe the rates aren't equal.Maybe 5 is a rarer drop and 3 the most common
>>551855964You get 10 from each new character's 7 day login event. Then the standard prism exchange shop sells 5 for 40 prisms, refreshing every 4 weeks. Idk how much standard prisms new players nowadays get but I still have over 500 prisms after buying the premium roll stock 3 times now. No myriad rolls needed.
>>551852310The gacha is bad because they have shit filler rewards.Standard should be 60 for pity and the shop should have all the things available to buy for prisms so you can spend your dupes.Limited should be 60 for pity and the battle pass should give you 10 a month. All the cosmetics should be dyeable instead of different items. And old banners should stay in the shop so you can still buy them with prisms on new banners.This shit with psyche leaving today is stupid. That means there will be a dead update when she reruns later. It also creates FOMO that's unnecessary for new players.Oh and gacha rolls should be half price what they currently are. At the moment they're like 2$ per roll which is retarded.Even 1$ per roll is pricy at 60 pity when pity itself doesn't give you the full package.Right now if you want everything you'd have to pay 140$ for just the skin, then another 200$ for aura/footprint/emote. Which by the way aren't dyable so if you change your mind on a colour you're fucked.That's just bullshit.
>>551855874You cant be consider a macro god if you go and waste your time playing another grindy gacha game. Do something productive like drawing or learning to program idk.
>>551840412I don't get why people in this game think getting fucking wedges is a bad thing. Then later on they bitch about how being under powered they are.
>>551857681Wise words anon.I didn't know Wuwa was grindy though, just a lot of content to plow through before quick dailies at endgame.I still need something entertaining to wind down after work each day. Watching DNA play itself isn't it.
>>551857987It's objectively good for progression and for getting stronger.But it's VERY repetitive and boring.I'll just wait for the event, honestly.Note: I didn't complain about being underpowered. At most i complained how nifle and rebecca fell off fast on pre-nerf theater and even then i was fully aware
>>551855874No. You can't play two games that uses ACE at the same time. You'll definitely get banned.
>>551857681>learning to programLOL, LMAO even. A lot of programmers got laid off in every sector cause of AI. Programming degree nowadays is as useful as a fucking liberal arts degree.
>>551858279>But it's VERY repetitive and boring.Run exploration when it's available and afk it. I literally am cracking open 40+ Volitions for my Rythm right now to make them +7 at least.
>>551858392>parasite class ceos and middle managers laid off programmers and go all in on insecure AI slop coding.Okay.>>551858089Learn to draw, learn reverse engineering, make music. Don't you want something you can look back on when you're old and say "I made that."?
>be new>do moon dimension maze roguelike or whatever before planning on farming some chars>immediately get a free lisbelle x30 copy well ok then
>>551860063That's literally the rewards. Maze rewards you with enough stuff to at least i2 or i3 your Lisbell.
buhi~ buhi~anon, would you look at the time?it's yumyum time~
If DNA EoS any time soon, I'll actually feel bad for some of the players. I don't really know how much the cosmetics cost but a lot of them really deck some characters out.
>>551859878Doesn't change the fact that the market is saturated cause every Tom, Dick, and Larry thought learning programming is better than actual trades. I'd go as far as tell people to get into plumbing or something that's not in the faggot arts or computers cause we're really hurting for blue collar workers that are not illegal immigrants.
>>551817101>drink thing that fucks up with your biological clock, accelerates your heart rate and screws with your natural sleep cycleyou tell me
>>551859878>>parasite class ceos and middle managers laid off programmers and go all in on insecure AI slop coding.That or they hire Indians.>>551860336>oesn't change the fact that the market is saturated cause every Tom, Dick, and Larry thought learning programming is better than actual trades.It doesn't help journalists kept spouting "learn to code" and many people thought you would make 200-300k easily and not realizing that's just the cream of the crop of the sector and not your average or median salary. I've met many people while going to school that were really only doing it for the money. It's actually astounding how far some of them got without even understanding some pretty basic concepts of computers in general.btw i like gaem
>>551817101Yes.>>551860598Only if you're weak.
good night bwos
>>551860971gn green Miku
>new bp emoteFVVARRRKK
i hate you i wont be responding directly. waste of energy to even reply. just kys
You've mucked it all up! Your (you)'sare now mine — Woohoo!
>>551860753>that or they hire IndiansIt's AI revolution baby! All Indians and Artificial Intelligence which I think 99% of Indians run on cause nobody with actual intelligence shit on the streets or use rivers as fucking baths.
>>551861703Hey that's pretty cool, i was wondering about it
>>551861703Fuck meant this for >>551861703I swear i clicked the right post
>>551862540bwo...
>Americans shifting any and all topics to IndiansI'm ignoring any clearly American (see: sufficiently retarded) post from now on.
LUNOLOOT YOU BITCH STOP STEALING THE (You)S
>Indians shitting any and all streets and threadsI'm ignoring any clearly Indian (see: sufficiently shitty) post from now on.
>filter stublooks like the ameritard seethe has begun
>2 and a half hours to do my chase hits >dont really feel like it go on... without me.....
>>551796730Is truffle a luno charon hafu?
When do expeditions reset?It feels so inconsistent to me
I did it! I-I-I-I finally got your stuff!HAHAHAHAHA!
>>551863289Truffle doesn't have horns. She's not a Charon.
>no horns>horns clearly sticking out her headTroll or just genuinely stupid? I feel like its the latter.
>>551805197>TILso even with male mc, Fina will still call you unicorn onee-san?I assumed all these games with gender choice mc defaults the story assuming you're male
@551863835retard
they really need to make the game more fun if I'm tired of Lisbell there's nobody else to play
I think I'm hungry
>>551864115i'll let futamc know
>>551805197Vita - Female Charon Mors - Male Human
>>551862628Indian spotted. We do not redeem here saaaar.
filter stub
futa stub
>Hellfire is a lonely girl who betrayed her cherished values just because she found a single person she could relate to and she even sleeps with her weaponMy cute angry retard wife...
>>551866118Does it say who this person is? I don't have Hellfire yet.
>>551866424Some female perfumer from the Republic of Luca, no name or anything.
>>551866896It's Rebecca by the way.
>>548754943 (me)I'm sorry guys, I've cursed this game. My truest condolences...
>>551867921I see. I didn't make that particular connection.
>>551868056
>Two month update cycle will kill this gameHas it really only been a week since the 1.1 update?This is just bad. There's nothing to do except the same comms we were doing a month ago.Yeah I think I'm gonna uninstall. Maybe check back in 2027 if it's still alive.No FOMO right?
>>551870654>No FOMO right?you IDIOT retard you're going to miss out on 60 slcs ARE YOU OKAY BRICKING?see you later! i'm taking a break too, though I might prefarm my wings volitions first for electro.
>>551870654Bro you are not a train, there's no need to announce your departure
How does weapon Rhythm work exactly? I know this game isn't the most complex, but there's presumably some sauce and skill cap in making Katana rhythm work right?
I noticed enemy spawns are slower in co-op commissions, almost double the clear times if you're alone but tried to match with others. Sometimes Rebecca's summons lag upon casting before they spawn in existence. Which means the matches are not peer to peer, unlike Warframe. So then why not open one international server with NA, EU and SEA? There would be more people to play with. Or just make it peer to peer and remove most server costs.
>>551871258its p2p, what are you smoking
>>551871339Only the solo runs. I joined matches with others, I played with a friend as the party leader. They all have the same delay levels. Try secret clue farming with someone and you'll see the spawn delay and overall wave clears nearly doubling. Sometimes nothing spawns for 5-7 seconds in exploration if you kill too fast. Meanwhile if you're fully solo everything is instant.
>>551871571smooch
>>551871339NTA but I'm really not sure if it's p2p. In the first day or two it was impossible to play coop with friends for some people, with the error being related to DSSSo if it's this DSS https://github.com/sha3sha3/UE-DSSPlugin then they are retarded and are burning a lot of money on maintaining a dedicated server pool.
>>551848101Just rng shits. I still don't have shiny pearabbit and goodnight. I also only have 3 goodnight total while for boxie I have 5, one of them is a maxed shiny without using yumyum milk.
>>551870956I haven't tried weapon Rhythm but I don't think there's any particularly special sauce. She just happens to have a few traits that make her better at utilizing weapon damage compared to other characters:> 90% self damage boost on E> Katana proficiency while Momiji is currently the best damage weapon> nothing else to really do with ult up. Though with Fushu available now, I think katana Rhythm will be falling off even more. Even against bosses Rhythm can hug them and spam E forever with the sanity regen.
>>551872839having a shit ton of morale helps too. like you said though its only good when shes low investment, with any amount of support or wedges single target is no longer an issue
>>551849439Just get lucky and get 2 costumes worth of prism.
>>551872839>>551873078man that's kind of a shame. I think spamming E is really gay.
>>551872668I think this game has to use dedicated servers with how it works. Allowing for P2P-connected gameplay opens it up to an exploiter doing anything they want within a mission. That is unless ACE can reliably prevent exploits even in P2P instances. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. My experience with games that have P2P matchmaking is that it's very easy to cheat and generate items for others if someone wants to. (GTA Online, MH Wilds)
>>551873826Warframe started and still is P2P. You don't hear of cheaters duping stuff.
Which stage to farm if I want prime morale?
>>551796852based
>>551874659the purple ones are in noctovoyager.the gold ones are locked behind the weekly chase missions.good luck, newcutie
>>551875308Yeah which stage is the best to farm for bunch of purples?
>>551876218They drop on some sort of rotation so it doesn't matter.
>>551873187you right i should get 50 prisms every single pull its fine
Where's my geniedex?
So how is the game. Too grindy for someone who doesnt like mmo level grind?
>>5518777941.2 let them cook 2 more weeks
>>551877952play it and see i would say no, the real grind is for if you are min maxing wedges and going for +10 gold wedges that takes time, to i6 a character can take a hour so no i wouldnt say its mmo levels of grind, i think most people that say the game is too grindy is gacha players that dont play anything but gacha games so their perception of games is narrow
>>551877952It's extremely grindy but not in the way of MMOs. In MMOs you are actually playing a game.Here the grind is either semi-AFK or just running through a stage without interacting with anything as fast as possible.
>>551877952This is like lineage 2 tier grind where you go into a field and whack skeletons for 6 hours, only you can't whack skeletons continuously and have to reload the map every 50 seconds and you don't need a tank and you can't run out of MP.
>>551878494i really cant do this afk shit people talk about i run psyche and do my kid icarus on maps and have fun
Why won't Rhythm stay in ulti when used as AI?
>>551879510cause she's retarded
>>551879339It's not even worth it until you get high trial ranks for better drop rates anyway.
>>551879721holy shit 65 is going to be so comfy when i hit it
>>551878036The one in 2 weeks isn't a 1.2, it's going to be a similar update to Fina's. Most of it is just rotating Kezhou in and some new weapon skins/accessories, no major system changes. 1.2 will be in 5 weeks, and we better hope they can pull off at least a good update before they go on vacation.
Bwos when is 2x drop?
>>551879795same, im already 61 so i just need 4 more levelsshould be easy enough
>>551879959LET THEM COOK>>551880076Early January>>551880102gl on the grind
Hello, I love Lisbell. Good bye.
>>551880927I bet she killed you after proclaiming that in public.
>>551880927Truly we are a gacha game in the sense that "great character stuck in a dogshit game" is a tried and true gacha trope
>>551877325Yes.
When is the next stream...
>>551878691>Devs finally fix the game, but the quitters already found better side pieces.>The vets leave because they can’t "play" by not playing anymore.>All that’s left are three whales and a handful of F2P players held hostage by sunk cost.Peak gaming. I can't wait.
>>551881269late jan early feb
>>551881627but thats when i go back to work
>>551881404Some day the devs/publishers will learn that first impressions, by definition, happen only once and stop pushing halfcooked shit with the "we'll fix it later xd wuwa made a comeback why can't we" mentality... Someday...
>>551881662tell your wifes boyfriend to tape it for you
>>551881404>All that’s left are three whales and a handful of F2P players held hostage by sunk costKek you can say that about anything including real life
>>551881686thats bullshit look at cyberpunk yeah its still shit but its launch was one of the biggest clusterfucks ever seen granted the anime made normies play it but it was alongside its biggest updates
>>551882663>me when I liePhantom liberty is what brought a new higher baseline of players. The game was still a massive commercial success on launch despite the issues and poor media reception.
>>551858346I think you were joking but jsut to clarify, I played Genshin + HSR + WuWa + GFL2 at the same time for a bit and it was fine. I don't cheat though.
>>551882895>anime alongside its biggest update>phantom was its biggest update alongside the animeit was a big success because people were lied to at launch they made the game sound like it was a generation leap in open world ARPG when it was a nice city with fuck all to do in it whilst being the most janky piece of shit ever made, look at the fucking drop off of players until the anime came out which was a build up to the phantom liberty launch which then brought back players, also the main thing people use it for is modding because other than that there is fuck all to do in the game
>>551883021I'd kinda like to try all these but I don't see how ya'll have so much free time for the dailies. I can't just throw away hours of my day as soon as I wake up or right before i go to bed to keep up with online chores or limited FOMO events.
>>551881404how many alternatives does DNA have other than warframe though>endfieldthe only people playing this game are people that are playing it because it aint a gacha.
>>551883287I was one of the test players for them and told them exactly this. The game felt like a movie game with nothing to do but follow the story then quit. They needed to add more events and mini games to interact with the city outside missions.And they never did.If you look at a game like Tower of Fantasy's cyberpunk city, that's a cyberpunk city done right with lots of side hustles outside the story.
I envy you macro chudsI can't farm anymore, its too shitty.Whateves il cry myself to sleep now.
>>551883564>the only people playing this game are people that are playing it because it aint a gacha.I will never understand this gacha:non-gacha tribalism.
>>551883781>If you look at a game like Tower of Fantasy's cyberpunk city, that's a cyberpunk city done right with lots of side hustles outside the story.and that was made in only a few months btw
>>551883889just farm lower amount of time than you do now if you feel like that
Why even hate gachas? If you're poor don't spend anything. They're free to play games. Usually if you save a few months you can get anything you want. I've played dozens, and the only annoyance is the time investment from daily missions to keep up with and guess what. That same annoyance is here in DNA too and just about every online game.
>why even hate disgusting, exploitative, predatory overmonetizationKILL every single chinkoid subhuman IMMEDIATELY.
>>551883531I can recommend doing the initial story of HSR (Herta Space Station and Belobog) because Belobog is legit well done and very hype but just drop the game immediately afterwards. What follows is shitty chinawank and the arcs after that are somehow even worse. Game started tailoring to its tiktok teenage audience which never played anythign else and thinks more dialogue slop = better writing.Genshin was a pioneer but it aged badly, it feels slow comapred to modern games in so many aspects, especially movement, and the QoL is lacking. Big issue is that half of relevant story was in time limited events.GFL2 has really good story but just like Genshin, a lot of it is in time limited events. There were plans to add them to the archive but when I dropped the game, they still weren't available, so I'm unable to recommend it. They do have the best technology for rendering material fabric and arguably the strongest dorm game of all titles on the market, especially if you're a footfag.WuWa starts off shaky but it has proper story skip/summary if some parts are too rough for you but imo it already becomes quite nice rather early on. It feels like improved Genshin in so many aspects initially and eventually branches out to be its own thing where you stop drawing comaprisons and just enjoy it. Story quality is very uneven from patch to patch but was truly bad only in the first arc i'd say. What WuWa excels at is dynamic, cinematic combat and the story presentation, camera work, character animations and so on are in a league above all competition. So are the visuals in later areas. I haven't touched newest region yet because Chirstmas week madness and I focused on DNA lately but reception seems great for the travel on bike.
>>551884545I've had to spend more on Path of Exile to buy storage space than I ever did on Genshin to get my dream team. I've spent thousands of hours in both games and PoE cost me more.
>>551884116>I will never understand this gacha:non-gacha tribalism.Gachacuck mentality i guess.They can't fathom someone might play a game because they simply like the gameplay or something. Shrug.And by gachacuck i mean "someone who has been cucked into this mentality and behavior by excessive gacha exposure". I don't particularly condemn or care about if or what gacha they play. Just covering my bases so they don't start pointing fingers>>551884460I particularly care about the shitty mobile systems that limit from playing like stamina and rampant time gating.Gacha systems or heavy rng are fine if it's not just a disguised paywall.ZZZ for example i tried playing but quit fairly quickly just right after launch. Because i basically farmed everything possible and was trying to find things so i could, yknow, PLAY THE GAME and i discovered that several things people thought weren't time gated had hidden/at the time unknown limits.I quit over THAT, not over the shitty gacha. Let me play the game goddamit.
>>551884460>Why even hate gachas?DNA is not a gacha though, gacha's you pay for power and or use rolls for power, now the problem with gacha's which are for example wuwa and genshin is it affects its core game, wuwa will never make rich content you can farm like dna because no one will play it because you dont gain power you can dupe characters and weapons like you can in dna. why do a event if it doesnt give you rolls? why make a event in gacha if your players wont play it, you cant even make loads of events because you as a gacha studio are confined to how many rolls you can give f2ps because you are squeezing money out of them like a sponge, its the most evil shit in gaming thats why you should hate gacha not only does it stop all anime games especially from china being god tier in rich content from the concept of gaming playing to earn not paying to earn but also is psychologically used to squeeze the money out of people as much as possible they are gambling simulators with a anime aestheticnow compare this to dna, you earn everything only gacha is the skin for the main character which i 100% think should be $20 in the battlepass thats just what i think but maybe they make more money that way only paid shit for the normal player is cosmetics and the typical online stuff bp, monthly. if you are a gacha player you buy weapons and characters in dna but its not forced on real game players thats the difference, people say dna did something special with its removal of power gacha which it is but dna itself wouldnt of last longer than a week with gacha imo
>>551884929>Quit over time-gatesWhy are you playing DNA then with the daily, weekly, monthly limits?Many of the events start 7d lockout and unlock each day. There are time gated prime and con wedges. And time gated thoughts.Once you've grinded the game enough to be close to where I am clues themselves are meaningless because you've bought out the clue shop. The only thing left is waiting for time gates to unlock more.Sometimes stamina systems can be good because instead of burning out on the game you just hit it a little while then you're done for the day. It's meant to be a marathon not a sprint.I HATED having near infinite oil in Azur Lane for events because I'd have to run them 18hrs a day all week long because they'd end and whatever I wasn't able to farm was lost until next time.
I just realized I only did one Chase yesterday because chest got nuked in second run and I quit to take a break but never launched the game again.
desu even this shitty expulsion wedge farm is good enough source of clues, they are overrated as a limiting factor
>>551885723failed the ctrl+v
>>551884935>gacha will never make rich contentwhat? the majority of exploration, events, collection everything else is rich content, and all these games can be fun to just play without chasing a leaderboard.For a long time in arknights I'd clear the challenge stages with only the free ops the blue tier ones. I never felt like I needed to pay to win.Arknights had some high quality content like the roguelike that was better than games you'd find on steam.I think you're obsessed with the monetization part of it. Except. You don't have to spend. You don't have to buy every single thing.Are you buying Phoxhunter's China Outfit because it's 0.99? If you don't buy it now it'll be 19.99 later. So are you buying it?I didn't because it's censored. But are you?That same pressure is here. In DNA. But you can ignore it. If you have a brain.
>>551885363>Why are you playing DNA then with the daily, weekly, monthly limits?Because i can still farm most things whenever and as much i want.I can spam maze and farm money for example.In ZZZ at the time not only you couldn't, but even if you tried to go into the TV crawl minigame and get the coin nodes there it was hard locked and you'd get 0 on mission completion.Having a couple things be weekly or monthly is fine.That said, geniemons being on a time gate AND rng sucks a cornfield of dicks> enough to be close to where I am clues themselves are meaningless because you've bought out the clue shopGuess at what point i'm close to.>I'd have to run them 18hrs a day all week long>have toDidn't this strike you as weird by any chance. First time i quit warframe was over an event that you needed to basically play for a fulltime job length or more per day to be able to buy everything.The sentiment behind that and not liking time gating is the same "Let me play my game whenever I want to".I'm not punching a work card every day and im not slaving over fomo either. If i feel like playing 20h straight i will, if i feel like rushing my weeklies once a week i will.
>>551885723Well yeah, you get more than enough to build what you want generally speaking, unless you want to build everyone RIGHT NOW. You'll accumulate enough clues passively to build everything faster than they can release things.
>>551885912>what? the majority of exploration, events, collection everything else is rich content, and all these games can be fun to just play without chasing a leaderboard.anon you finish the content in wuwa's patch then the rest of the 30 days is 5 minute daily log out alongside a 5 minute event thats not content in comparison to dna which you can play for 100s of hours and still have 1000s of hours of content to grind to be given meaningful power upgrades, characters and weaponsit doesnt matter how long you play for in wuwa you can never i6 all characters and max dupe their weapons you will need to spend money and a fuck load of it you are lucky to get 1 copy of a character with their weapon in that game with monthly alongside their bp wuwa/genshin real gacha is pay for power, dna a non gacha game is pay for cosemtics and pay to skip the grind for power which you cant do in the prior and they have no content outside of gacha pull currency collection thats not content that mint picking
>>551885723Agreed. I mostly "farmed" clues at the same time i farmed extra cunnycoins for formas.Rarely ever i need to care enough to go actually clue farm
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Do you want the game to be like granblue with copious amounts of grind and scheduled events for masochists, or a waifu collector like FGO that you log into once a day to dump 50$ because your gambling addiction flared up?Both of these are gacha, both of these have very different definitions of "content", and both of these aim for a different kind of audience with their own attention span.If you want this game to be like Genchink, you're in the second category.
grind doesnt matter as long as the grind is fun no its not the same
I want it to ditch its Wartranny foundations and copy STALKER instead
>>551886282Exactly what content in genshin or wuwa do you need to pay to clear?In DNA you can grind for +10 wedges but you can beat all the content wearing +5.Rather I defeat a boss in a minute or a few seconds doesn't matter. In fact the fight might be more fun if it wasn't over so fast.I understand your point. But not everybody cares about that stuff. Some just play for fun, and hopefully in your eternal chase for power, you're having fun too. Because rather I'm slapping hillichurls with xiangling at c0 or fithoids with margie at i6 it's still a break from real life.
>>551886601I'll take option #1.
>come to the thread>glance over some of the recent posts>it's all dogshitHoly shit, you need to kill yourselves. The lot of you.Fuck you gachashit sideways and back and forth. Fuck YOU.This is a Warframe clone and what it needs to do is do a better job at copying it.Now every single one of you gachamokey subhumans need to fuck off back to your own generals.
>>551823238What's this used for
>>551886601I want it to be like Hello Kitty Island Adventure and strike a balance where you can choose to grind but it ultimately has no fomo and it's ok to miss days.ComfyAlso ArtofBalanceFushu.jpg
>>551886948thats not what we are talking about here we are now talking about why pay money in gacha's when you can clear all content with 4*s doesnt matter you will never be able to max dupe them and their weapons as its pay 2 win pay for power which removes the whole point of gaming for progression which is what a online game is for, its account progression, the chase for power is a goal to play towards which you cant do in gacha's to say something is fun sure for a day but then there is nothing to do but again its just asterite collecting you wont do it otherwise yeah you can beat the theatre with purples look at how people cried like bitches on reddit when you couldnt then the devs had to lie and nerf it for these bitches
>>551887147>This is a Warframe clone and what it needs to do is do a better job at copying itI'm not them and i agree with this partially.While it should lean more into the warframe clone qualities, it's also wise to explore paths warframe didn't and try to create an improved and distinct product.(Not that copying gacha is the answer lmao)
>>551886601None. The biggest issue with Granblue is that you are on a treadmill and you'll never catch up to late game as pure f2p because you need every puzzle piece on a team to both grind your stuff and do late game content. And they keep releasing new stuff and changing metas. Also you need asian ping.At least with the current DNA model it's like a snowball where you get better and better with more trial ranks and geared up characters.However if you are to compare with 2015-2018 GBF during the S. Zoi times then maybe it wouldn't be so bad but it would just turn into modern GBF at some point.
>>551887147>fuck off back to your own generals.sir, this a not-gacha, game that doesn't want to be a gacha, removed it's gacha before launch, and is currently trying to ungachafy itselfdo you see how many mentions of GACHA are in here even though this game isn't one?
>>551887330>it's also wise to explore paths warframe didn't and try to create an improved and distinct product.This would be a valid and reasonable sentiment if the devs weren't chinkoid zoomer trust fund babies. There is no way they can improve on Warframe. The best we can hope for is a better copy than what we have right now.
>>551887505>Not a gacha game>Has gachahmmmwell maybe if they really change the game for 2.0it certainly won't happen for 1.2 where the copers will move on to say 1.3 will fix the game
Characters are themselves content. Character dupes also are content, because they unlock new parts of characters' kits. Gachas gate content by not giving enough pulls to guarantee all limited units and making you pay to experience all the content. It's not all about combat stages and farming.
>>551887147>Warframe with two abilities, no build diversity, shitty weapons, one shoot button, embarrassing melee, worse missions and somehow even easier enemiesMy guy, at least if it was a gacha you can say it's shit because it's a gacha
>>551884116It not having gacha but having cute waifus is the biggest appeal of DNA.
>>551887545>There is no way they can improve on WarframeThere is.They can hire people more qualified than them to do their job for instance.Anyways, if you just assume right out of the gate that they are this bad at it, you might as well assume the gate is inherently doomed and that it's not worth playing at all.I believe and HOPE they won't fuck up as bad as DE does. They can improve and they can innovate. So far i like 1.1 but we'll have to see more if they want to me more than a niche little game.Having that said, i also believe that they have no excuse to fuck up things warframe has solved already. For these cases, absolutely just "do a better at copying it">>551887697>>Not a gacha game>>Has gachaDon't make me tap the picrel
>>551887864Yeah, gachatards will somehow never touch on the fact that most gachas will not let you easily acquire characters without spending or months of saving up currency, or that certain characters might never be seen for another year because they're on a limited banner.Gachakeks are retarded. The problem is, a lot of the DNA staff seem to still have gachabrains when it comes to thinking about how to design the game, even though it's not a gacha. They need to copy more from Warframe.
>>551888015I genuinely think that even a token set of buffs to like, three weapons and three characters will be enough good faith that people will start Hoping again.The main reason people got annoyed at 1.1 is because of only Anemo and no weapon/character buffs. The other criticisms people have are fairly small fry in comparison.
>>551888015great picrelI'm gumball machineif you can spend to gamble for something in the game, anything, then it's a gacha because you are trading money for a CHANCE at something.Doesn't matter if it's a weapon or a dress. It's gambling with money.
>>551887147>warframe nigger posting shounenshit>dares to complain about others
>>551888665I feel like a lot of people are just farming (you)'s and upvotes online, and not sending them feedback via either the in-game customer service or the customer service link..
>>551888918>believing they actually read the feedback and didn't just wordcloud it making the suggestions lose all meaning.
>>551886282>it doesnt matter how long you play for in wuwa you can never i6 all characters and max dupe their weaponsSo what? There's zero incentive to do that unless you're a retarded masochist who wants to brick his own experience.
>>551888918TAI think that's a little unfair. There are some weird gacha tribalists who doompost the game, but people have legitimately given consistent criticism about certain aspects of the game - like Sibylle for instance - since CBT1 that just went unheeded. They have good actionable feedback at the moment, they just need to show that they know the problem and are stepping toward a solution.
>>551889180These guys are waking up each day working on 1.2 chinaland so they can finish it by Feb, they don't care about Sybille. Zhiliu will be the meta electro for a while. And they'll go straight into the 1.3 rush to finish that before the next update.They're still on a gacha schedule instead of reworking the game. They'll always be on that gacha schedule.
>>551889159incentive doesnt mean anything you cant do it regardless thats the point we are now in the cope section of defense for gacha, you dont need to do this you dont need max dupes you dont need a specific dupe to get their actual kit, you dont need xyz, you dont need it in dna either but you can grind to get it if you want in wuwa you pay money
>>551889159This sounds like cope that players tell themselves about something they can't afford. If tomorrow WuWa lets players S6R5 characters, almost everyone will abandon this belief and max out their entire roster.
>>551888918All companies either use AI or hire low paid foreigners in the west who translate with ChatGPT their responses. They don't even read. In Warframe customer support I told them I need to speak with a human who can read over and over because I didn't give a shit if I get banned or not and just wanted to take the piss. I was just kept in a loop of discussions. A real functional human would've closed the ticket.
>>551887961>Warframe with two abilitiesI'd argue most warframe have effectively 1 or 2 abilities you'd actually use>worse missionsSome of them are legitimately better like exploration in comparison to survival>somehow even easier enemiesI'd argue warframe doesn't have anything as challenging as off-meta 270% maze.But anyways, that's exactly why that guy said it has to do a better job at copying.If anything is lackluster in comparison to warframe, they should copy it better.>>551888665>a token set of buffsOh absolutely. I like that they at least acknowledge most problems in the devstream, but i want them to SHOW it too.And even a little bit like "This is a preview of what we're working on sit tight" would be great.>reason people got annoyed at 1.1 is because of only AnemoI mean, that's kinda because of over expectations. A lot of people (sounded like they) expected 1.1 to solve everything immediately.But yeah, mainly because of no balancing.>>551888751>I'm gumball machine>if you can spend to gamble for something in the game, anything, then it's a gachaNigga that means you're gameplay neutral. You can spend on materials to gamble on dnd. It's a gacha by your definition.I'm in the gumball machine group. If gambling(luck based drawings) is a 'significant' part of gameplay it is a gacha.Because gacha machines, the actual origin of the term, are pretty much gumball machines for small toys and shit.Zelda has had literal gacha seeds. They were not a significant part of gameplay, therefore it wasn't a gacha game.Also, free gacha is also gacha.
>>551889502That would entirely depend how they implement it. If it's grindy. Sure because that's why we play games. But if it's based on leaderboards. Nah there would be a top 50% that would try to work on dupes but the bottom 50% wouldn't fuck with it at all and just be happy with their s0.
>>551888918Most aren't. They just want attention and rage bait. Most people are just angry retards like that.Going through the official channels is too much effort for them.
>>551889650what DMs are charging you cash in your sessions anon? I don't remember bringing my credit card to the last session.
>>551890019Time is money anon. You're paying your DM with your finite, precious life.
>>551890019What part of DNA is forcing you to pay to play?I don't remember ever bringing my credit card either.That's the point. D&D is not a gacha game and neither is DNA, but by your definition since you "can" buy a bag of totally cosmetic randomly selected dice it is a gacha.
>>551889498>>551889502What is cope is your mindset because you're dumb tribalists who want to ignorantly hate on gacha based on your personal headcanon beliefs but refuse to learn more about the subject. You live just to hate on things you never tried instead of focusing on things you enjoy. It's fine to dislike gacha and not want to engage with them - but in that case don't act like an expert. You don't know shit.>If tomorrow WuWa lets players S6R5 characters, almost everyone will abandon this belief and max out their entire roster.Of course people will go for dopamine rush. That's what human brains crave. But then they'll drop the game soon after if they got s6r5 of all charas and content wasn't correctly adjusted.I know a guy who s6'd Cartethyia and every patch says it's his biggest regret and he wouldn't recommend going for s6 title unless chara starts at low power and their s6 won't break the game. Other whale friend after initial week of super activity with his s6 Jinhsi dropped the game for next month and apologized to me for not listening to the warning.
>>551890228That would be the rebel box, not the gumball gacha machine you spend money to take a chance at your desired rewardThe auras and skins here you spend money to gamble to take a chance at your desired reward otherwise you look like a botJust because it isn't necessary which by the way the gacha in most gacha games isn't, doesn't mean it's not gacha
I only need I2 rhytm to afk farm right?
Is real money involved in a transaction that could be considered gambling? = Gacha Wow that was a thoughtful discussion.
