Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #8935 - Strangledow Edition==NEWS==>NiGHTS, AiAi, Tangle & Whisper in Sonic Racing: CrossWorldshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0DHucYYD0k>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/>Sonic universe event film to release on December 22, 2028https://x.com/rejectedjokes/status/1995685906444100087==Comic Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog #84 - 04 February 2026Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds (oneshot) - 11 February 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #85 - 18 February 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>/sthg/ OP template:https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#comics>Sonic shows:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#shows>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org>SHChttps://shc.zone>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org>/sthg/ OC info:https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive>/sthg/ CyTube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixel World:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>551808645
Good morning everyone. Sonic is the best character ever.
FAGGOT
Sonic > Mario
>Gallagher Archie>Fun, whimsy, cartoony.>Gallagher / Penders Archie>Same as before but more serious. features sci-fi and mysticism. mix of action, lore and world building (That was the sweet spot)>Early Penders / Bollers Archie>serious, melodramatic with some shipping drama. More action focused>Late Penders / Bollers Archie>serious, melodramatic with some shipping drama. More drama focused. most archie criticism comes from content made in this era. (slap happens here)>Flynn Archie>serious and melodramatic with some shipping drama. but toned down and not as annoying.>Flynn reboot archie>serious. tries to re tell game lore its own way. very action focused>Flynn IDW>Reboot archie without the Sonic SatAM stuff>Evan IDW>Steven universe fanfic>Imada Blade of Courge>Dark age game (Sonic and his co protagonist)>Imada Shadow>Shadow gens with more plot>90s shogakukan manga>hellokitty for boys
>ayyy
The Alpha male doesn't ask for permission, he takes what he wants without the need of external validation
>>551879417Niggerdow.
Niggahog
>>551880084>>551879954Stop posting cursed media please
>>551880513Whyyy
>>551880268Watch out, you’ll piss off the Sonazefags
We need more Shadow solo content
>>551880268>no Blaze 20th anniversary collageWhy are Silverfags sexists
>>551880593Because I only like cute fanarts
>>551876648Strangely, I don't mind the way they look.
>>551880986She’s right there you faggot. How much more Blaze do you want?
>>551881516Zoomer kit
People finally learning that Ian is a liar and that the comics are out of character and don't reflect Sega's vision of the Sonic series
>>551879750Eww Archieshit PTOO PTOO*Snoooooort*HAWK PTOO
*creates a secret handshake with your OC*
>>551881641But that's Blaze being subserivient to Silver
>>551881859Ayyy that’s some sexist thinking
>>551881859Her purpose is dying for Silver
>>5518815313 or four little balls on the end seems fine to me
>>551881825Elise existance alone proves Sega's visions for the series are fucking retarded sometimes
desist
>>551882447Niggervok.
>>551882115>This will sell our game
People finally learning that Randomfox is a aberration and society is disingenious for coddling him and don't reflect natural selection vision for the welfare.
>>551882580quite the specimen, that Zeti
>>551882682Imagine the smell
Blaze is Indian coded unironically
>>551882645I am leaning that he was always right and you have been seething this whole time.
>>551882645We have been telling you for years that IDW and Archie are extremely out of character. It's your own fault that you didn't listen.
>>551882901That's why I find her so hideous
>>551882645Taking his advice is actually the best way to keep Sonic and friends in character
The singular Zeti fan
>"SEGA you can't use Limited Run games! They produce dogshit and scam their customers a-and have so many controversies!*>*preorders it anyway*>"M-my *sniff* delayed collector's edition is shit... How could I have seen this coming?*You reap what you fucking sow you consooming retards.
MIIIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>551883097
I'm glad I don't know any of the random people these threads tend to bring up
>>551883236I like the Zeti
>>551883252Finally, some in character dialogue
>>551883252>how jet starts talking after losing to usain bolt
can you guys just accept comic-Sonic can be his own, separate character? you care about personality of cartoon hedgehog like your lives depend on it
>>551883241Yeah I don't feel sorry for the people who bought. Every time Limited run shows up people give the alarm, if you didn't listen it's your fault
>>551883547But our lives depends on it.
>>551883547>can you guys just accept comic-Sonic can be his own, separate character?We can, but IDW can't. That's the exact problem.
>>551883241>>551883625>Sonicfags eat slop
>>551883547Notice how we do not get mad at Movie Sonic because moviefags don't try to insist that he's the same character
>>551883625I'll never understand how this franchise produces such consoomers. Only nintendofags are worse.
>>551883703>>551883732you can just ignore them, its a thing you can do
>>551883547You don't get it. What if Sega listen? I can't let the "fans" change the personality of a character just because they think it should be edgy and serious? I like my cute in character Silver thank you
Uwuver is the exact reason why I don't tolerate OOC
>>551883547>>551884008
>>551884075Penders is retarded. I don't trust a thing he says
>>551884075I can't believe Penders understands Sonic better than Ian
Douge
When's the next issue?
>>551884296Hey man, I pay my taxes and don't bother anyone. Leave me alone.
>>551884332Hmmm, this dark pink color actually looks good on rouge, I don't like the usual color she use but this one is marvelous
>>551884380how does safe comforting uwuver handle a problematic woman?
>>551884412
Corrupting silver.
I play Sonic games for the story!
>>551884380God seeing this as 2000s kid hurts. This franchise used to be so much cooler lmao
hellokitty for the black proletarian man
>>551884587
Sonic channle finally posted shadamy
>>551885235>>
>>551885235I get it, you’re a faggot.
>>551885364Good not we're never going to see that shit for a good decade.
>>551885235This. Sonic was always a cringe deviantart thing
Sonic 06 was not a good game and millenials were correct to shit on it when it came outSatam is a well written show that is mostly hated for its legacy and for being off brandSonic X is a poorly written show that relies on the things it imports from the gamesArchie is misremembered as the Sonally love story when they dated for less than 20 issues across the entire comicBoom is not a funny show unless you break it down into a super cut of its best momentsThe movies are the only reason this franchise is not dead It's Sega's own fault that people don't know most of the japanese character traits It's Sega's own fault Uwuver happened If we have to treat the creator's intention as law, then Tangle and Whisper are lesbians Yuji Naka did not automatically have good judgement just because he created Sonic"In-character" doesn't automatically make something good or bad. The Metal Virus arc is better than most of the Sonic game stories Sonic and the Black Knight is mostly remembered for its ending and not the actual story it told
>>551885606
sonicfags arent beating the boring character allegations
>>551885071>Silver goes back in time and is NOT the main instrument behind saving the day>/sthg/ still unhappyBunch of fags you are
>>551885606>Boom is not a funny show unless you break it down into a super cut of its best momentsNUH UHIT MAKE ME LAFF VERY HARDBut yeah I guess every episode of the show wouldn't appeal to everyone who watches it.
>>551885606Damn nigga you got some bottled up emotions. You’re not gonna do something drastic one day will you?
>>551885606Unironically trvth nvke.>The Metal Virus arc is better than most of the Sonic game stories Except this one, nah.
>>551879750>knotholeUhAlso why is Tails called Miles "Tails" Prower and not Miles the Fox or Tails the Fox?
>>ProcessingRedeemdow
>>551886126You new here or just baiting?
>>551886223New, I'm obviously familiar with Sonic but don't know all the lore
there will never again be a game that has this amount of soul
>>551886273
>>551886197The less you tards compare him to Shadow the less you'll shit yourselves about him you know?
>>551886273Shadow the Hedgehog was erased or what
>>551886268>KnotholeThat was the name of the hide out village in Sonic SatAM. it's a good show but it's quite old. it's 32 years old now.>Milesis his real name. Tails is his nickname. he prefers being "Tails"
>>551886197Amazing how you say that today after winning 3rd place, having his third animation and getting the be in the last Sonic channel art of the year.
>>551885071Sonic takes it up the ass no matter the ship
>>551884764Stop chasing a new hedgehog every week.
>>551885397>>551885424The people you abhor and despise nowadays are the ones you all used to be in the 2000s on which classicfags bashed you all to death.
>>551886126>why is Tails called Miles "Tails" Prower and not Miles the FoxHe's one of the few to have an actual full name like Amy and Charmy
After watching Satam the most distracting things for me >Humanity as a large population exists in this setting and is alluded to and was even planned to be a big deal despite the fandom of this show hating humans in Sonic>sonic is not a woodland critter who lives in the forest, he grew up in a city. They all grew up in the city and are forced to live in knothole because of robotnik>the show is episodic to the point that you can watch any episode except for the finale in any order>sally gets mad at the insinuation that she's sonic's girlfriend even though they make out multiple times >sally is the only nudist girl>Sonic explicitly wants robotnik to be dead, which is strange since this sonic is ian's introduction to the character>the second season is aware of the fact that tails is supposed to be a computer genius, but must have gotten the memo late because they explain it by saying sally taught him
>>551886565>>551886907Thanks anons!
>>551886824I was a normal kid growing up. I wasn’t part of a fandom. Still not, really.
>>551886268>newSo basically, non-game media (pre-Sonic Adventure, mostly, but X and Boom are also AU) are their own continuities. Sega had a really lasseiz-faire approach to the Sonic IP, so basically the licensors could just make up whatever lore they wanted that didn't have to fit with the games. Brits had Sonic the Comic, Americans had Archie, etc. The Freedom Fighters are an American concept who only appeared in Sonic Spinball as a captive-animal cameo, but they were the Americanized core group for a while in the comics until Archie got canceled.Tails' name is a compromise because the creator wanted it to be "Miles" to play off of Sonic ("Prower" because 'miles-per-hour') but Sega of America wanted "Tails" to be named after his key feature.>>551886907Amy Rose's full name is also a pun ('amoureux' = 'in love' in French).
>>551886675shitver was the only mistake the Japs ever made
>>551887051>I was a normal kid growing upExactly, you were a kid who consumed anything Sonic at the time. No different from the teens and kids nowadays.
Im so fucking hard
>>551887228Why are you that nice to them fucking weeb?
>>551887335let me help you?
I miss Sonic's other stoopid friends
>>551886963That show introduced Darcy. I’m not the one to hate fictional characters, but she was so fucking annoying anytime she appears the episode is immediately ruined. No wonder people never talk about her.The only good episode was the time travel 2-parter. I don’t think you can ever go wrong with a time travel story. Yeah I went there, faggots.
>>551887225>Brits had Sonic the ComicIs it any good? It’s one of the few bits from that era I haven’t read, all I know is there was some major autism to do with Fleetway Super Sonic a few years ago.
>>551887367>you MUST be a weeb because you recognize that westshitters are detrimental to this franchiseSonic is a Japanese creation you fucking faggot. Go back to reading your gay trans toilet paper
My ideal householdSilver = maidShadow = husbandSonic = fuck toy
>>551887469I miss them too, the preboot versions of everyone.
>>551886963>the second season is aware of the fact that tails is supposed to be a computer genius, but must have gotten the memo late because they explain it by saying sally taught himDamn.The stupid walrus mechanic is so gay and useless that the writers forgot he had the obvious skill-set to mentor Tails.
>>551887682its a dumb thing to say about franchise that keeps failing on japanese market
>>551888298It's probably because Rotor is just a mechanic, not a genius. Sally is a genius but she isn't a mechanic
>>551888298Why do people like that show anyway? SatAm was boring as hell. The only reason why people want it back was because Sally made their prepubescent dicks feel funny.
Why does no one ever point out that Grandpa Chuck and season 3 Chris are just redundancies with Tails around? They literally never contribute anything that Tails couldn't have.
'ge (and 'nic)
>>551887989>Sir your sushi on top of the naked body of Sonic is ready
>>551888492As someone who's seen it it's just... Alright. It's not amazing, the writing is fine but I think there is a good reason Power Rangers beat it.
>>551888541At least Grandpa Chuck was funny. Kinda complimented Tails character.
>>551888492Antoine makes my dick feel funny, actually.
>>551888492There's only three Sonic games with good enough stories to not fall under the same question
>>551888770Antoine and Bunnie I’d say are the only interesting characters in the freedom fighters. Antoine’s shtick was overplayed like hell in the show tho.
>>551888492Same reason people like X.
>>551888881Putting my bias aside, yeah I feel like they pushed it way too hardI much prefer his whole character development in archie
Satam is the most boring show and I'm saying this as someone who likes every Sonic show. Even Underground is more exciting. If you're the kind of person infuriated by how OOC IDW is then I can't recommend Satam at all.
>>551888881>interestingLiteral comic-relief into generic Gary Stu and generic waifu #168441 with super power are not interesting in the slightest.
>>551888393And yet the only worthwhile contributions to this franchise are Japanese. >thinking sales determine how good the art isWestshitter mindset.
>>551889140Its a very low bar. Its SatAm
>That retard is shitting the thread againYou got exposed for not playing SA2 bro.
Wary of jp purists who pretend the games have good writing
I respect what the japanese didYou're a fucking weebWe're not the same.
>>551888435But how is his existence justified?
I think 06 is better than Rush.
>"mmmmh i wonder why evan made soleil's parents so supportive and yet soleil still had parental issue">days later some video about hazbin hotel>charlie has le daddy issues feeling like a failure yet his father lucifer never judges her or demolishes her dreams, he's like the perfect father with le depression or somethingWhy the FUCK tumblrinas can't connect any dot when they write their Shitty fanfictions... fanfictions whose shitty writing became industry standards after more than a decade of corporate circlejerking.
>>551889439>I am red>You are red>But we are different colors
>>551889448 Characters are more than their tvtropes role. Tails and Rotor do not have the same personality or character dynamics at all.
>>551889523raping rotor
Rotor would be way better over Tails because then we wouldn't have a very insufferable amount of Tailspedos that took their part in sinking Sonic fandom reputation.
Every time I see someone express this "there can only be one smart guy" bullshit I automatically assume they only watch shows aimed at 7 year olds because no teen or adult series operates on the notion that all characters must fit into an obvious archetype to exist
>>551889765The average shonen series doesn't work this way. Dragon Ball especially would fall apart if you held it to this standard. Naruto? Lol literally every speaking character is just a variant of Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura.
>>551889750>sinking Sonic fandom reputationnice projection niggerdow
>>551889924Shadow is a complex and interesting character and Tails is such a generic smart kid that Tailsfags feel threatened by the existence of other smart characters. Basically admitting that his character is worth nothing.
>>551889924You’re on 4chan, retard. You’re probably the one posting that shit.
>>551890000>Shadow is a complex and interesting characterAll it does is crying and pretend to be misterious but outside his main story he's usually a fart that hardly compete with sonic himself. He's always a minor character and never someone who drive the story forward in modern adaptations.
Which one of you wasted money to ask Ian this?https://x.com/i/status/1817964386298023961
Don't forget to take your vitamin Cs to boost your auntie bodiesI still giggle at this after 12 years when i first read archie
>>551890220I can't hear you over Tailsfags blatantly admitting that if you add another intelligent character to the story then Tails becomes redundant. You can add another serious character to a Shadow story and he still works. Tails is a shallow character by Tailsfags' own admission.
>>551889765>only watch shows aimed at 7 year olds>implying this is a bad thingGo ahead and watch your pozzed garbage with fags and trannies because it's """""mature"""""
>>551890346>if you add another intelligent character to the story then Tails becomes redundantTails is already redundant because of bad writing, like any character can be redundant when you handle it bad. I don't see tailsfags feeling threatened by kit.
>>551890592If you put Jimmy Neutron or Dexter in a story then Tails becomes redundant, but those two characters are different enough that they could carry their own weight in a story. This is because Tails is a shallow character who hasn't been written well since SA2. That's our entire life time ago.
>This is what millennials thought the Sonic franchise was going to be if Black Knight sold well and the Meta Era never happening >And it somehow terrified them too
>>551890518Anon who thinks Black Clover is better written than the Sopranos because every character has a gimmick and colorful clothes
IDW editors just said Shadow is smart enough to solve the next 4chan captchas just like Tails is, but Sega forced them to withdraw the statement. Only Tails, Metal Sonic, Sage and Eggman can canonically solve the new captchas. Shadow's too dumb. He is not sufficiently intelligent. He lacks the proper wherewithal. He cannot comprehend the right answers. he stupid
>>551890737Tails isn't Jimmy or Dexter, he is "Sonic's Sidekick" and his intelligence is HALF of that role, NOT the entirety of it. The biggest mistake anyone can make with Tails is A) Ignore his intelligence entirely, try to downplay itB) Focus ONLY on his intelligence, and make it his entire personality and the only thing he can ever contribute
>>551889381The Japanese versions of the games have good writing. The westshitted versions don't.
>>551891054Wrong. Tailsfags have said time and time again having another genius good guy would make Tails redundant. That means that's all Tails has. Tails isn't a compelling character unless his skills are unique. They are actually right when they said this, if you put Rotor or Chris Thorndyke in the games then Tails becomes a dated redundancy because Tails is a shallow character.
>>551890737Ok but besides you agreeing with me openly, what is your point?>hurr those are not shallow and redundantIt all depends on what obstacles you put them in front AND how do you want to make them overcome that obstacles, unless you want them to fail. Shadowfags also seethe a lot when their character is raped by an entire metropolis because flynn doesn't know shadow is supposed to fallback when he's about to become a threat for his allies, and yet he kept fighting.
>>551891072yeah yeah sure
>>551890894>the SopranosI'm not watching your shilled goyslop faggot.
>>551889765>t. failed normie
>>551891156>Tailsfags have said time and time again having another genius good guy would make Tails redundantWell for me it's not true because you can always specialize characters, i don't expect rotor, tails and nicole to end up infighting unless you make them compete.
How can I use my Sonic shipping knowledge in real life? Like for example getting a girlfriend
>>551891194I don't have any point here I'd like to argue with. I think it would be better if Tails was flat out retired after SA2 instead of what they've done with him.
>>551891443Want an obese Shadow fan? No? Never mind, then.
>>551891443Kill yourself normalfag stay the fuck off my general nigger
>>551891443Sonic never compromises and that's why it is unrealistic to imagine him in a relationship. If (WHEN) you get a girlfriend and if (WHEN) you get a wife you will need to make compromises on your desires and tastes. The kinds of things you will not be comfortable with now, even if you find a perfect person who seems to agree on everything. You will have differences in life that simply do not perfectly line up. The folly of Sonic shipping is just that. We have to take a character like Sonic who is more like a symbol than a fleshed out person and imagine that he could "develop" the maturity to hunker down and be present and intimate with a woman. Sonamyfags and Sonallyfags collectively don't see the serious issues in using this as a model for a real relationship. Reject Sonic as a role model. Your new role model should be the ideal version of yourself.
>>551891643Get wrecked gayfaggot
>>551891737Hope you enjoy kneeling to Tyrone fucking your 3dpd faggot. Kill yourself
>>551891457>I think it would be better if Tails was flat out retired after SA2 instead of what they've done with him.They are more likely to actually fix the writing instead of vaulting him altogether.You don't need a genius to write tails, give him a problem and make him solve it all alone, make him help others too. If you shift the problem solving to sonic, knuckles, shadow... or whoever the fuck as the final resolution to everything then you can bet on it tails is useless. But this is a problem from the writers because tails role is well enstablished.
Nine would have been well written if Prime had 12 episodes instead of 24
>>551891839Whats a 3dpd, anon?
Hot take: OCs and the overuse of OCs have never been the problem with western Sonic stories. It's just the fact that Sonic's nature as an inspirational figure is downplayed that is the problem. Sonic even being OOC wouldn't be a problem if they could have maintained that detail. This is why Sonic Prime is better than most other Sonic shows.
>>551892029Yeah I found the show very funny, because I skipped all the filler. Just watch the first 3 episodes and skip anything that hasn't got Nine or Shadow
>>551892031Go back faggot.
>>551891156>Wrong. Tailsfags have said time and time again having another genius good guy would make Tails redundant. That means that's all Tails has.This is false. Being smart is not all Tails has. Tails is "Sonic's Speed + Eggman's Brains". Focusing only on the brain is a result of trying to ignore or erase the "speed" half of the equation, to force a distinction from Sonic that's not supposed to exist in the first place. Eggman is already the "smart guy" character of the series who is meant to be T H E smartest man in the world, who does all the smart guy stuff in every possible way that could be interpreted. Tails, right off the bat, is doing "what Eggman does" by being the smart guy as well. And, that also means, Tails can do ANYTHING related to being "smart" because the foundation is "doing what Eggman can do". The same way Tails can do anything speed-related as well because the foundation is "doing what Sonic can do". This also means... How CAN you introduce a new "smart" character when Tails can already do basically everything in that field, unless this new character is a rival of sorts for him? Tails is a mechanic and a physicist and everything in-between. Not to say it's impossible, Tails has a specific image and vibe with his usage of tech and brains and stuff, another character that's distinct enough can fit in just fine. But overall, it can easily seem pointless or redundant because Tails' skillset is inherently meant to be hyper-versatile already. But also, treating Tails like 'the good Eggman' in and of itself is simply not what his character actually is, and forcing him into that role makes him suffer. Because, he should not be boxed into being "the S M A R T guy" for the EXACT same reason Knuckles should NEVER be boxed into being "the S T R O N G guy". Tails is Sonic's Sidekick and Knuckles is Sonic's Rival. Everything that makes them cool characters comes from those roles, specifically. The moment you remove that, you kill them.
>>551890843Unironically would have better movement and control than any boost sonic game.
>anon cries about people watching shows for kids in a thread whose franchise is for kidsYER A WOMAN
>>551892337Being smart is all Tails has. If Eggman ever turned into a good guy you would INSTANTLY have a more complex and interesting character with all of Tails's important contributions rolled into one. Imagine if Sage gets redeemed, then Tails has NOTHING. Go ahead and tell me how Tails and Chris Thorndyke are different in a way that works for Tails? Tails is a shitty, shallow character and I'm tired of people defending him.
>>551892329Lmao no desu retard
Tails is not the Smart Guy. Tails is Sonic's Sidekick. What makes Tails so smart is that he is Sonic's Sidekick. Knuckles is not the Strong Guy. Knuckles is Sonic's Rival. What makes Knuckles so strong is that he is Sonic's Rival.
Tails is a shitty character because after 30 years he's still stuck in Sonic's shadow instead of actually finishing his arc
>>551892514Knuckles and Tails both need to be vaulted because they are the only characters that need smurfs gimmicks to stand out. Silver, Shadow, Rouge, the Chaotix, and Amy don't have this problem. Even the IDW lesbians don't have this problem.
You all need to get laid.
>>551892715Is cringe and beautiful in a way
>go to /sthg/ to cry about how much of a failed retarded normal fag I am>wait why are people calling me a faggot>wait why am I watching Tyrone and Jamal fuck my mom>why do I have a raging boner for Joseheh gottem...
>>551892706Tailsfags won't admit that he's such a shallow character that he is the cause of character bloat
Couldn't the issue of Tails' character be easily solved by refocusing back on his origin as a bullied child and thus should be insecure, suspicious of others, and overly critical of himself?
>>551892851It truly is the solution to many people's problems.Alas.
>Tails adores Sonic and is smart>Knuckles is serious and is at odds with SonicThese two are just two tables of Sally Acorn. They should go in the vault just like her because they are shit.
>>551892468>Being smart is all Tails has.This is false, because you are outright erasing half Tails' entire character and purpose just to box him into only being "the brains" at his expense. Tails is Sonic's Sidekick, he does what Sonic does. Tails isn't just some genius inventor, he's basically Robin. The whole point is that he can do what Sonic does on-top of being able to do what Eggman does. He does BOTH. He is an active and capable fighter, he is a Hero. His purpose is not to just stand around spouting exposition or being mission control. It's the same writing trap you fall into if you force Knuckles to be "the muscle" of the group, and simply be there to be the "tough guy"... and then wonder why he feels so worthless compared to Sonic or Shadow. Knuckles' actual strength is tied to being Sonic's Rival who fights with him, challenges him. SHADOW seems so powerful specifically because of being a rival to Sonic. That's what Knuckles is supposed to be. The same applies to Tails. Everything that makes him an actually worthwhile and compelling character is when he is being Sonic's Sidekick, when he's written like Izuku Midoriya, when he's acknowledged as "Player 2". Only then does being smart like Eggman actually matter, because it's directly paired with being fast like Sonic. The core cast are not simply a "Five Man Band". They are BETTER than the Five Man Band because "The Smart Guy" and "The Big Guy" are inherently shallow and weak "tropes" that lack the substance that "The Heart" has when the Heart is 99 times out of 100 going to be a love interest as well directly tied to a lead character just like the lancer is.
>>551892706>Silver, Shadow, Rouge, the Chaotix, and Amy don't have this problemAnd for a moment i thought you were serious, now i know it's a shitty bait from a modernigger whose brain got fried by shipping.
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>>551893142It's funny how Tails fans insist that he's a great character but admit that modern writing can't work for a character who is so pathetically simple
>>551892949>Couldn't the issue of Tails' character be easily solved by refocusing back on his origin as a bullied child and thus should be insecure, suspicious of others, and overly critical of himself?That's character regression. The Sonic 2 manual specifically says: >When he was little, everyone bullied him for his two tails. But thanks to Sonic, the two tails have become a "sign of vitality.">Because of his two tails, he was bullied by everyone when he was little and was timid, but meeting Sonic and striving to be like him made Miles's personality bright, energetic and positive.Tails is supposed to become bright, energetic and positive because of Sonic's influence. Being insecure, suspicious of others, and overly critical of himself are the core starting points that he is meant to have long-since grown out of by Sonic Adventure.
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>>551893142At least Amy has something going for her other than her abilities and dynamic with Sonic, those are ALL Tails has >>551893352Tails has nowhere to go as a character
>>551893096Tails is Kid-Sonic.Knuckles is Anti-Sonic.Sally is Nega-Sonic.That is not a problem. That is basic character conception using the pre-existing main character as the template/focal point. Your main guy is a dark brooding edgelord? Okay, give him a clown. Or a circus acrobat. Or a pure hearted angel who lights up the room.
>>551893419>Tails has nowhere to go as a characterYes he does, he's supposed to fly high so he can reach the highest of all the heavens. The most basic thing he's supposed to do is follow Sonic on the adventures, as PLAYER 2.
>>551893542If it's not a problem then why are they so poorly written? Maybe it's because they just take up space from characters who have actual depth just for nostalgia
>>551893393>Quaver(?) drawing incestBased af
I'm glad more people are realizing Tails should just go in the vault already since all the character bloat whiining is because of HIM
>>551893710>If it's not a problem then why are they so poorly written?Tails and Knuckles become poorly written when they're not being used in the way they are SUPPOSED TO. Sonic 2 and Sonic 3&K give a very clear example of how Tails and Knuckles are meant to be used as characters. Tails is Player 1.5/2 and Knuckles is Sonic's Rival. Tails follows Sonic through each level, he does what Sonic does as an active player in the game. Knuckles consistently challenges and competes with Sonic, they butt heads, they clash, they are diametrically opposed, but in the end they'll work together when it counts. The moment Tails and Knuckles' writing goes down the drain is the moment you remove Tails from being "Player 2" and you remove Knuckles from being Sonic's 'Rival'. When Tails is just sitting on the sidelines doing nothing of worth, and Knuckles is just hanging around with no good reason for even being here, of course they're going to be poorly written. Because you've stopped writing the actual character, and instead forced them into filling space as a trope they aren't supposed to be.
>>551893949There better not be one microsecond of ooc
>>551893265>>551893419>has something going for her other than her abilities and dynamic with Sonicsuch as? The huge inconsistent personality retcon whose plothole is ignored and censored?Then tomorrow i censor everything that makes tails look bad and completely change his personality, oh look it works now. Almost as shitty as the other guy saying "modern writing doesn't work with tails", have you seen what modern writing is about? social media memes and references, not a real focus on characters unless it's superficial.You guys are so pathetic you keep ignoring this franchise is mainly corposlop, yet you keep treating it like some shakespearian masterpiece that need your favorite shipping flavor to stand out.
>>551893949Oh boy, let me guess what it is: The three of them saying generic fight lines and having it be 10-20 minutes of them doing nothing but fighting, but GASP! A mysterious figure at the end is shown, hinting at something uber bigger in the next episode.
super soft
>>551893949We should ease up on the Shitver content
Let's remove Tails from being a playable fighter, but keep him in the story as Sonic's tech support and pilot! Oh no, why is he so poorly written now!?Let's remove Knuckles from the Master Emerald AND from challenging Sonic, and instead keep him around as a generic dumb muscle or jock! Oh no, why is he so poorly written now!?
>the chilli sauce is rich in chili, beans and onions.>all that causes bloating>chilidogs are actually bad for sonic's guts but he cant stop himself>sonic runs because staying too long fills the room with toxic gases.>he doesnt want anyone sniffing his winds>sonic? he is like the wind!
>>551894470people in this general just talk out of their ass, like pretending there is a need for complex characters when in reality the company just want a superficial easy product that sells and only feels deep.Anyways no matter how much people bait, they can't change the money making machine.
all sonic characters are good even the ones from idw and satam and sonic schoolhouse
>>551894756>they can't change the money making machineThis is exactly why I laugh at JP Purists as often as I do.
>>551894332Super sexy
>>551894594Just like me
THIS SHIP IS CANON AND JAPANESE AND STUFF
>>551882901How? She doesn't act like an Indian at all.
>>551893860Character bloat wasn’t a problem until actual shitty characters like Silver came along
>>551894858>JP puristI used to be one until they started shilling for whisper and tangle.Sega truly says a lot of bullshit, like vaulting sally and all those characters because "they're not written by us", it's clera like the sun they can't be trusted. Whatever thing that sells is good, eggfag was right.
Tails just needs to be Player 2 in both the story and the gameplay. Amy's love for Sonic just needs to be expressed with sweetness and passion. Knuckles just needs to be an oppositional challenge for Sonic even when he's an ally. Everything else will fall into place instantly because these are the fundamental cores of what the characters are meant to be like. Every problem comes from trying to betray that foundation in some critical way.
>>551895259Unlike Tangle and Whisper, Sally only exists to break Sonic's character
>>551895292Amy isn't really needed actually.
Silver is both aura and uwu
>>551895441what is sonic's character?
>>551895489This is some Focus M trash. Rouge is not Shadow's tardwrangler or buddy cop.
>>551895508No, she very clearly is, otherwise someone will force her personality onto Sonic or whoever else.
Silver is both gay and lame
>>551895518He’s actually neither
>>551895259>I used to be one until they started shilling for whisper and tangleHonestly surprising that you lasted this long, most actual JP Purists left long ago. I see the argument from here that Sonic is thematically consistent all across the Japanese series, and I'm wondering how long they will live with that delusion. Sonic sitting in a cell patiently in Forces is fundamentally not the same as Sonic being antsy for even being locked up half a day like in SA2. People that say Sonic has been thematically consistent in Japan have not been paying attention, and have let their worship blind them.
>>551895574That hasn't happened plenty of times.
>>551894332super OOC
>>551895658Tails, Amy and Knuckles are needed to define aspects of Sonic's character that are otherwise not visible. We need all three of them.
>>551895551A cool but aloof and determined adventurer who is never held down by personal ties and never compromises his values or interests. He's helpful and kind but not a doormat. He's humble but he isn't insecure. He's confident and proud but not arrogant and self absorbed. He's the kind of guy who seems out of your league but is willing to befriend anyone. He's actually cool, he doesn't merely believe he's cool through an ego. Most of all he is not "le relatable teenage arrogant hero"
Nicole
>>551895574That's nonsense anon. Everything that does that had Amy in it too.
>>551895628Apparently, i memoryholed forces.
>>551895806Did they have Amy? Or did they have a pink hedgehog -named- Amy but clearly doesn't act anything like the character?
>>551895551Something that never appeared in a single story with Sally Acorn in it, that's for sure.
>>551895741Like what?
>>551895741Amy does a TERRIBLE job of explaining that Sonic is not interested in romance. Everyone just assumed that he isn't attracted to her specifically. If you wanted to illustrate that the only way is to give Sonic a harem of girls who he isn't interested in. Everything the Archie comics fucked up about Sonic's character is because Sega wasn't clear about this detail until they were forced to be.
>>551895854>Apparently, i memoryholed forcesMost people did, but here's the thing, it has been far more important to the ongoing lore for all the side stuff that is now canon, according to dipshits at SEGA, so Forces has now become and incredibly important linchpin in the series. We have to forever look at this stain and be reminded of it because all the current lore is around the events in Forces.
>>551895951Tails is a young, insecure and relatable kid underdog hero, Amy is very energetic and passionate and wears her heart on her sleeve, and Knuckles is a responsible guardian who is rooted in one place. Sonic is not any of these things, but a lot of people think he is because of certain external media.
>>551895783>He's humble but he isn't insecure>he is not "le relatable teenage arrogant hero"Guess which version is canon and which is part of the new manga.
i'm interested in what would happen if you put people from sthg in charge of an unironic non-joke sonic story
I don't give a shit if it's ooc, or what the fuck ever. Sonic should be cocky, arrogant and confident.
>>551895551The easiest way to explain Sonic to a westerner:Take Goku and double his IQ, make him even worse about personal intimacy. The character you have now created is (almost) indistinguishable from Sonic.
Morning, eww the thread is full of archieniggers glazing satAM gross go away you irrelevants, your shitty series never mattered and is dead and gone forever lol
>>551896163That doesn't affirm your premise. Sonic has been none of those things plenty of time without those characters near him. Sonic's actions define him, he's not inversely externalized into other people, that's retarded.
>>551896352>your shitty series never matteredAnd yet you cant stop crying about it
>>551896302The only Sonic game where he acts like this is Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric. People get tricked into thinking he's like this in SA2 by his vocal inflections in the dub.
>>551896073>We have to forever look at this stain and be reminded of itOh my GOD you reminded me that game it's actually a major happening, we're stuck in niggerhell unless a magical reboot happens.
>>551896352go play sa2.
Sonic isn't cocky at all in SA2. Where are you even getting that?
>>551896382What I mean is, these characters highlight Sonic's character in fundamental ways that communicate through their dynamic who and what Sonic himself is. Sonic, on his own, can easily be misunderstood entirely at a glance. We understand Sonic by seeing the contrast between him and others. If not Tails, Amy and Knuckles themselves, then characters who basically fill their same spaces. Sonic is this wise aspirational figure, so characters like Tails idolize him. Sonic is cool and aloof and detached, so romantic characters like Amy have to chase after him endlessly or have no hope at all of being with him for long. Sonic is a free spirited nomad who lives by his own rules, so a responsible duty-bound character like Knuckles clashes with him on an ideological level.
>>551896474I wish Boom would have gotten finished the way BRB intended without SEGA of Japan interfering mere months before the game was to be released on PC...
krack's meat flap pussy...
Satamfags tolerate SA2 because the game doesn't directly contradict the version of Sonic they have in their head. They fail to notice that it doesn't actually feature any of the character traits they've projected onto Sonic.
>>551879750>serious/drama>serious/drama>serious/drama>serious/dramaAll i hear is that you want the essenciafaggotry equivalent of Sonic, which is just another extreme opposite to the female-adjacent merchandise ditactions/Hello Kittyisms.I wouldn't say it's simply Digimon vs Tamagochi though. More adjacent to 90s/00s capeshit drama.
>>551896647>you hit the big time, DoctorSonic said, to Eggman, while he had Amy at gunpoint. You don't know what you're talking about.
>>551896701>Sonic, on his own, can easily be misunderstood entirely at a glance.And his retarded friends do nothing to change that. Just look at the movies. It just depends on who's writing or directing, not the peanut gallery.
>>551896817do they make other kinds
>>551896860>quipping>At a VILLAINSatamfags are so stupid they can never tell the difference between Sonic being confident and Sonic being cocky.
>>551897018Sonic's friends are where the real meat of the story is. Sonic stories should never really be focused on Sonic himself, because Sonic is a static force of nature that embodies the themes of the story. It's the others, like Tails, Amy and Knuckles especially, who undergo change and develop as a result of Sonic's influence.
>>551897018>It just depends on who's writing or directing, not the peanut galleryNTA, and considering movie sonic is the highest rated and best selling piece of Sonic media we have in the franchise. The hypercapitalistic, money centric Japanese businessmen will likely choose to rake Sonic in a wat that will net them so much more money. Thats just how this works.
>>551896860That's another dub change. Sonic doesn't have that mocking tone at all in the original. He bluntly and matter of factly says that Eggman has become a skilled villain after all.
>>551897184So basically Sonic is the only important character who changes things around him and Tails, Amy, and Knuckles are stagnant now.
>>551897153If you think shit talking a villain who is holding a hostage at gunpoint is anything but cocky, and merely confidence, you've got more problems than a comic book I never talked about.
>>551897260male erasure
>>551880084 >>551879954>>551880721 >>551882136>>551882282 Xillennial ahhed humor
>>551897226>movie sonic is the highest rated and best selling piece of Sonic media we have in the franchiseNah it's still Genesis Sonic. I don't think you even have to adjust for inflation for that, though you always should.
>>551897283Okay but you're gonna tell me even 20% of people that played SA2 played in Japanese? No. Everyone, or at least damn near, played in English and you can not change that.
>>551897356You're both wrong. Sonic mocking eggman in that scene is dub exclusive. https://youtu.be/px7CH5NVQXQ?si=L-lJecBmk2VHY3Su&t=1324He's still caught off guard and still overconfident, but his tone here is that of relenting.
>>551897286>and Tails, Amy, and Knuckles are stagnant now.They aren't supposed to be stagnant, though. That's the point. If they are, that's a result of bad writing and severe mishandling.
>>551893393Unf
>>551885606TLDR>west tard war crime denialLet me guess, you thought Xtreme's jank ass was going to save the Saturn
>>551897478No one cares about the JP dub
It's obvious the writers have hit dead ends with tails, nux and Amy, sonic needs a new little buddy to pal around with who hasn't been completely butchered by compounding writing issues.
>>551895785cute floofa
>>551897530It's a result of not having Big, Shadow, Rouge, Cream, Blaze, Marine, and the Chaotix, and since they're all needed to properly define Tails, Knuckles, and Amy.
>>551897643>sonic needs a new little buddy to pal around with who hasn't been completely butchered by compounding writing issues.Yes, you will get redeemed Mephiles to do that
>>551897475I see this argument a lot and there is a modicum of merit to it. I did not play SA2 in Japanese as a kid, nor did I know what they were saying in the Japanese version until I was an adult. I doubt most people did. Sonic Adventure 2 is most popular in the united states where we got the english version. It's safe to say that even *fewer* than 20% of players got the original. I could never in good faith argue that the Japanese version is more popular. That's a fact of reality that everyone should just accept. My counter is this. Every "inconsistency" in the english releases is born from changes such as these. When people say "Why doesn't Sonic have a bigger reaction to Shadow being alive in heroes?" He does. He's taking in something Shadow said to him in SA2. The entire scene is a call back to one of their last conversations and this is lost in translation because SA2 replaced all of that with quips. Heroes is not some magnum opus of story telling but what little depth it could have had is undermined by that. They ended up creating a version of Sonic that the japanese were never actually going to stick to or acknowledge.The same argument also applies to other Japanese franchises. Pokemon's international dubs are all translations of the original 4kids dub, instead of the Japanese release. The same applies to Dragon Ball as well. Most of the world saw a "Super Man" style Goku who fights for justice and peace and does speaches about how righteous he is. It is still wrong and it's hard to say that it's a more compelling story. You can like it if you want, but it's right up there with Shadow not knowing what Chaos Control is for 5 seconds. It has always been a mistranslation.
Sonic, Shadow, Cream, and big the fat are the only characters who should be in every sonic game. Period. They're the soul of the franchise
>>551897643>adding new characters will fix issues!you shouldn't be allowed to type
>>551890843I was hoping Frontiers was gonna get combat on par with KH2 or the Sony Spiderman games, but we got basically a baby version of Bayonetta like how Werehog was just a baby God of War.What's more frustrating is that they were going to double down on the j-action but toned it down for fears of complexity on newcomers...they sure cared about that for the DLC LOL.
>>551897214Shadamy has always been self-insert slop and this shows it
Ignore the creampedo
>>551897643This is stupid and fixes nothing. All of the problems with Tails would just get applied to the new character in Tails' role.
>>551897475>most people played the english version so the english version should be canonIt's funny just how many stories get fucked sideways if you even try this including SA2
>>551898334There's plenty of untapped growth in characters we already have that aren't knuckles tails and Amy .>>551898409Umm just don't give the new tails old tails issues that lead to this? Lol?
>>551898392A lot of people who get angry at the "Shadow is not friends with Sonic or Team Dark" posts are Shadamy or Sonadow fags
If you vault Tails you might as well vault literally everyone besides Sonic, since you clearly hate the idea of any side characters period. You retards are what gave us the meta era, I hope you realize
>sonic should be [thing that doesn't exist in the games unless you consider retarded mistranslations that don't even make sense in context to be canon] This is why I hate all westfags. At this point if I see anyone defending cocky arrogant Sonic then they don't know what the Chaos Emeralds are or who Eggman is
>>551898672Nah just vault tails and knuckles. And lobotomize amy so she never becomes girlbossmy ever again
Frontiers is basically forcing Sonic to be Satamnic. Ian Flynn should be fired and Evan Stanley should be blacklisted.
>>551898719>booo hoooo, only what I like is correct
>>551898672It was shitposting, as if tails can be vaulted. Tails is there to suffer like sonic for trannies amusement.
>>551896872Why are my goats BROWN?
>>551898860Westards will complain that things don't carry over from game to game and it will be something that the dub added for no fucking reason and thus wasn't considered canon at any point in time by anyone except a 22 year old bored intern
>>551898563Why?
>>551898975Cry more bitch
Ian flynn is the coal that is killing the party.
>>551898880Fine, vault tails or keep him around as a humiliation ritual creature. Vault knuckles. Explode silver with an aids bomb and whenever blaze is around its because sonic goes to the sol dimension dude
Post stuff that make the west insects' stomach curlhttps://youtu.be/X0QiSpU_85w
Satam is OOCArchie is OOCIDW is OOCBoom is OOCThe english versions of every game is OOCThese wouldn't be a problem if people didn't judge the games based on these
>>551899218But they will because they were beloved.
>>551899073He's certainly a disgrace to the 'hog community.
>>551899083>so basically just leave Sonic and ShadowJust say you want to see gay sex on screen dude
>>551898854>>551899073
>>551899218>These wouldn't be a problem if people didn't judge the games based on products aproved by Sega, dubs made by them included
the only gay sex I want on screen is Eggman pumping Sonic full of cum
This is in character?
>>551899218>The english versions of every game is OOCBlame Sega of America for not doing their job and Sega of Japan for not making sure that Sega of America is doing their job
>>5518968537 PALABRAS
>>551899429I actually thank IDW and these edits, they have unironically taught me how to write better and showed me what to avoid.
>>551899559no
>>551899559yes
>>551899580>Sega of Japan for not making sure that Sega of America is doing their jobAnd hold Japan accountable, ever? No way!
Knuckles is one of the few character who actually still has a story to tell, but Sonic fans would rather have Shadow rehash SA2 for 136354th time.
>>551899838>Knuckles is one of the few character who actually still has a story to tell
>>551899805Tania is the superior Sonic Sibling
>>551899838They tried to push Knuckles's story forward but the fallout of it was so bad that they will never do it again.
>>551899941who
Everything I like is IC and everything I hate is also IC
>>551899941>>551899987Fighting over which irrelevant non canon Sonic sibling is better is really dumb
>>551899651unironically we talked about so much shit about it that i got interested in general writing.Now i know a lot of the stuff i consumed when i was a kid was shit. For example now i know metroid other m is atrocious and OOC, while fusion is the best horror that series has to offer BUT it has less freedom than previous titles.
>>551899987
>>551900135ohhh okay i haven't read that
>>551899767I despise the differences between the Japanese and English scripts. We want accurate translations. Sonic Team did this with Shadow: Dark Beginnings so why did they stop now?
>>551900135Fat fuck Ray
>>551900117don't take everything so seriously you fag>>551900250chunky fuck is ready for winter
>>551900130I had the same experience. I came over here from padt and I used to ignore the exhaustive characterization debates about how the dub ruined Japan's vision. You had purists arguing that all the shipping stuff was groundless and old westfags arguing that Ash Ketchum should marry misty. While that character dynamic wasn't entirely absent in the original, the west boosted it so much that people took it as canon and it became an insufferable point of argument for years. Sonic has some of the same thing going on. Just like Ichiruki vs IchigoxOrihime too.
Every character has more stories to tell, if you’re a good writer. Unfortunately Sonic Team is not
>>551897079not flappy pussies exist yeah
>>551900135Nicky Sonic has been getting weirdly popular lately.
>>551900359hopefurey we can make good stories outselves
>>551900130I don't think the hostile purism this general has is necessary but I understand it. Mischaracterization can potentially ruin the point of a story even if it's just for something silly. Naruto is a big example. Naruto had no friends as a child period. But the anime adaptation of the manga retroactively decided that Shikamaru and Choji have been Naruto's friends through childhood. A lot of people grew up arguing that Shikamaru is a better friend to Naruto than Sasuke when really Shikamaru didn't give a shit about Naruto until his teen years. This is something invented by the anime and the bane of people who prefer the manga. Mangafags just sound like insufferable purists to anime fags but animefags will make the matter worse by complaining about how Naruto was lonely when that's the whole point. It's literally something out of character that only exists in a non-canon adaptation written by someone other than the original character that ends up having a permalock on how people discuss these characters. Even more damning than what happened with Archie and IDW Sonic.
>>551900591*hopefully*ourselves
>>551900393This is why we shouldn't care about stupid shit like "canon". It literally does not matter with Sonic.
I'm still stuck on the Sonally thing. You mean to tell me they were only boyfriend girlfriend for 15 issues and people fight tooth and nail for/against this pairing as if it was some kind of evil overlord of shipping
>>551899941>>551899805Who?
Sonic Crossworlds charted 27 in UK last week despite all the sales it had before Christmas
>>551900393Sonic Team has good writers but they're either restricted by mandates or afraid of potential backlash. The 2010s is a prime example of this, since they were trying to pander towards people who think the writing in Sonic stories should be silly and simple as possible.
>>551901046Name one Sega mandate that made the story worse
>>551901008>UKLibshit, I don't care about Starmergrad
>>551901008Damn, far below both Mario Karts. I wonder who could have seen that coming? Oh wait. Serious, why did they think a generic kart racer with all the funny side characters would work, if they spent the last decade shitting all over them?
Sega mandates actually ruined a story when Archie had to forcibly retcon a ton of shit leading up to the Super genesis wave but I already know JPfags consider this a good thing
>>551900950People will cherrypick the worst examples of that comic and try tell you no one liked it. But if that were true, Ian Flynn would never had been hired, now would he?
>>551900210The problem is that Archie holdovers really, REALLY want to steer the franchise in a SatAM-inspired direction, because autism. I wouldn't be surprised if the term "Dark Ages" was coined by these elevated fanboys/girls, because it was the era with the most localization consistency.
Baby boy baby
>>551900710Wow that's a disgrace, but i guess it's a constant.
>>551901434I had somehow completely forgotten that Silver and Elise even knew each other. This was like a flashbang of memory over specific 06 scenes.
>>551901285you mean that stupid ass double wizard story where they gave the king brain aids to try to sneakily take over the kingdom or the thing with the stupid ass grapes?
>>551900950The only reason it the number is so small is because Penders and Bollers deliberately sabotaged the pairing after Sonic came back to earth in 2004 and then Sega shut down the pairing after Ian confirmed in in 2011. By sheer coincidence both times Sonic and Sally started to officially date, someone came in swinging and put it down.
>>551901560If Sonic channel is canon, they know each other more than Sonic
>>551901773The only canon I ever consider, is my own headcanon. Anything else would be cuckoldry
>>551901389The dark age's script localizations changed a few things up but still remained accurate to the Japanese originals. Now we get completely different scripts where the Japanese version is in-character and the English one is not. We're being robbed of accuracy and are instead being given Ian Flynn's personal fanfiction
>>551901389People are going to complain that the games have inconsistent stories and then they will blame Sega when the real culprit is Ian constantly changing the original dialogue
>>551900393Good or bad, a character's potential for more stories is only limited by the interest in them, whether that's the author or the audience
>>551902085>then they will blame Sega when the real culprit is Ian constantly changing the original dialogueWho hired Ian, anon?
Eggman make lolicon robots
>>551901978> Ian Flynn's personal fanfictionhe was hired by Sega to write a english script, why are you blaming him and not Sega?
Sonouge is a perfect example of a pairing that has no ground to stand on unless you pretend the english dialogue is canon
>>551902085Someone has to be held accountable. Who is letting Ian get away with that?
>>551902183
Sonic has never been cocky you dumb self-reporting comcifags
>>551902497Yes he has
The ego is just like dust in the eyes.. without clearing the dust, we can't see anything clearly, so clear the ego and see the world
>NOT MY LOLICON MANGA COLLECTION YOU FOOLISH RAT!
>>551902693Stop shitting in your streets, maybe?
Sonic
Sonadow and Shadamyfags being forcefed the pill that Shadow does not care about Sonic or Amy and is not their friend.
>>551902816I'm free to shit on the street
>>551902952And I'm free to find that disgusting, which I do
>>551902248It's Ian Flynn's responsibility to at least try to write the characters correctly. He obviously doesn't want to. He just wants to write references, girlbosses, and lesbians. He's at fault. Of course, Sega is also at fault for hiring him
Eggman is into otokonoko jailbait though.
>>551902894he went to Amy's birthday, he cares
>>551903149>He's at faultHow if he doesnt even so much as recieve a verbal warning? Clearly its what SEGA wants him to do.
>>551901484You start to realize a lot of fandoms have this exact same problem and it's often caused by adaptations, dubs, spinoffs, or otherwise anything not made by the original creator. Boruto shipfags thought they were finally free when Sarada said she saw Boruto as a brother, but that was anime filler. In the manga she would later say she's in love with him. Now people who watch the anime are going to be in for a surprise.Bleach's anime did a complete 180 on the love interest from the manga, Orihime, and built up Rukia as the main love interest instead. Now there's whiplash when the anime was inevitably forced to align with the manga. Comic fags know this all too well. Superheroes are almost never IC to the comics, especially in movies. Videogames are just the most recent medium to deal with this sort of thing.
>>551903192>Katie Chrzanowski's self-insert and non-canon virtual novel
Mina was supposed to be dead.
>>551903578Mina was supposed to be bread.Where's my flour?
It's hard to blame IDWfags for acting the way they do when game purists have finally made it impossible to talk about IDW anywhere on any social media website without someone rushing in to point out that it's out of character
>>551903561>game approved, funded and published by Sega doesnt count
>>551903803>Published by SOA and whose creators said is only canon if you want it to be
>>551903794It is almost as if this franchise has gone on too long and is starting to resemble religious denominations. >Sonic would say this!>Sonic would do this!>Sonic would agree with me on this!It makes me wonder if Sonic would be considered an actual deity if we carried him name through story after, say an apocalyptic event. The wars that would be started over Sonic would be no different, I feel.
>>551903794>when game purists have finally made it impossible to talk about IDW anywhere on any social media websiteThere's literally reďdit and twitter where you can discuss IDW
>>551903578Fang...
>>551904039well I want it to be and if Shadow being here was such a big problem he would be cut out
>>551904074You will not stop me from being here, despite your frequent protests.
>>551904074Yeah no. Twitter Sonic discussion has been destroyed since issue 50
>>551903426ok there's a lesson to learn i guess, if i want to bake my own franchise or comic or whatever the fuck, the problems are:>focus on a strict main canonLoss of creativity without AUs to experiment.>AUs focusLoss of identity, attracting too many audiences who hate each other.Unironically Consistency plays a huge role in any franchise because otherwise i can't invent new settings or keep an identity.
>>551904212But the creators said it's not canon if that's one thinks as well so that means it's up to everyone's interpretation
>>551902402Cream is powerfulhttps://files.catbox.moe/bwe4y6.webm
>>551903794gate? kept.
>>551904260>>551904074>discussing anything on shitter or pooskyIronically Reddit and tiny homely Discord server is the best place to talk about IDW
Little devil
Sonicfags have it easier than Spiderfags. In the Spider-man fandom people hate nu-Uwu teenage Spider-man who says things like "That sounded better in my head" but he's in everything and the comics (Source material) have no shifted to be closer to the movies. Imagine how Sonic fans owuld react if movie Sonic's personality affected the games directly.
>>551901978We honestly just needed better translators (and maybe better voice directors). Of course, Sega figured out it's more cost-effective to hire unskilled """localizers""" who don't know any Japanese.>>551903252He was. Sega busted his podcast, and then his coworkers took a massive dump over his Frontiers characterizations.
>>551904692Thats true, Sonic could be owned by jews that hate him. You're right.
>>551904692>Imagine how Sonic fans would react if movie Sonic's personality affected the games directly.Soon enough we'll reach that phase, don't worry. The best sperging is always about to come.
woof
>>551904910*poke*
>Fowler gets hired onto the games due to the positive reception of his work>Suddenly the fandom realizes that they hate him and everything he stands for
Factoid: sonic is the only japanese franchise where the west branch designs more cute characters than the main branch
>>551904409why should I care about anything stated outside of the game itself? why make it in the first place if it not 'canon'?
>>551904896I can't wait to have good writing again. I hope Movie Sonic completely erases current game Sonic, and I'm not kidding.
>>551904896
>>551905108This will only happen in your mind. Movie 3 still sits at a 95. People like how they write Sonic.
>>551904857Since Sega announced not too long ago that they plan on using AI for their games, why can't they just use AI to translate the games directly from Japanese into other languages?
>>551905521Exactly my thoughts. Seems like a perfect way to accurately translate work and cut out profit leeches.
Welcome to paradise.
Was Eggman always a human or was he a mutated egg in classic Sonic?
>>551905493it seems you missed the first line
>>551905736He was a regular human named Kintobor before a bad accident involving him and Sonny the Olympic running Hedgehog from Hardly, Nebraska.
>>551905521>>551905613AI won't fix any of the localization problems. You always complain about subtle details that change the context of what is going on and AI isn't smart enough for that
>>551905613did you ever read something translated by computer? that shit is unreadable
>>551905521>>551905613just hire an english speaker in japan instead of hiring californians
>>551906042>>551906075AI will get better over time.Localization teams have only gotten worse, and more full of themselves.
>>551906229Why do you want AI to make us lose jobs so badly? We aren't ready for a jobless civilization yet
>>551906323>Why do you want AI to make us lose jobs so badlyBecause you wont do yours without inserting your politics.
>>551906405>It's ok when WE do it though
>hire a bunch of windfags to fix idw>first thing they do is have Sonic look directly at the camera and say " i would never be tied down to the restoration and i do not value eggman's life">tangle and whisper are given male love interests>Surge loses her entire personality>any OCs that cannot be "Fixed" get wiped out>Shadow defeats an army of demons and Silver never smiles again
>>551906557When 50 million Indians were imported to severalwhite countries, we were told that we simply couldn't compete. Now that it's AI, suddenly it's about burgeoning the people, and their job security.
>>551906678Indians are the ones who suck the cock of AI the most. Guess you two have something in common
worst character poll, Silver is currently in the leadhttps://poal.me/xm34iq
>>551906781I do not wish to fellate AI, I just have the sense to tell when something is inevitable, and if it is doing human jobs, but better, the humans will be replaced regardless of my feelings, one way or another.
>>551885071*Kissu*
>>551906183That's what I wish Sega would do
>>551906183Californians are the only ones dumb enough to work for free or almost free, anon, thats unlikely that theyd change. Why do you think these retiree Californians are currently still voicing the cast and not new talent? Because these VAs are the only ones dumb enough to do it
>>551906941AI doesn't do a better job, it literally just copies. It can't improve, improvise or change. It will make us all stupid and move the world forward to the dystopian future we were told as kids because technologies improved faster than society can adapt
>>551907472>AI doesn't do a better jobYet. If you fail to see the advancements its gone through in even 5 short year, you will be left in the dust. Something so small as Will Smith eating spaghetti. Couldn't do it then, but can now, and it's only getting better and more accurate, and now have backing from huge major companies (I'm aware it is a bubble, but it is too profitable to consider popping.) Ai will only get more efficient. You can cling to the hope they it wont replace humans, but it will. I do agree we will become dystopia, but considering we cant hold a pedophile with 34 convicted felonies accountable, and that people side with him even still, we are already there.
>>551907296I miss the 4Kids cast so much
>What about artist intent. Look at the people that shit on windnic and tell me people care about intent, artistic or otherwise.
No one will agree with me.After reading Archie back up to issue 150, Sally was right to slap Sonic in the face. She was talking about marrying him before issue 125 and then they get distracted by Ow the Hedge crashing right outside of the castle. A war with aliens breaks out and then they do their little confession. Sonic sacrifices himself and then goes to space for YEARS. He comes back, Eggman is still out of the picture and now Sonic is looking to pick fights with him. Eggman eventually ends up motivated to start making plans specifically to counter Sonic. They aren't a resistance anymore, Sonic is going out of his way here.
>>551907850You are a disgusting cog of the machine
>>551907472>AI doesn't do a better job, it literally just copiesWhich is already better in some way than a human, a human has a bias in writing their own shit and ignore the rest.
>>551879813
>>551906928>Add a new answerBad poll.
>>551908157Hellow NPC
>>551905929Didn't eggman become evil but a rotten egg mutation?
>>551908284give me a counter-argument
>>551901484A lot of really popular things are made with little input from the actual franchise owner/original writer so it builds up to a lot of fan disappointment when those things inevitably get disowned. SatAM is luckier than something like Buzz Lightyear of StarCommand.
>>551904494
>>551903794of course we're gonna push back against it now that the crappy glorified fan fiction that nobody actually reads infects our franchise more and more to the point where it basically revolves around it now. get out of our franchise and find something else to do.
>>551908270convert this
>>551908579No, I don’t want you to suck my soul and become a machine like Eggman does to animals
drawfags will cease to exist
>>551908808no one will draw my cringe but me, so I will persist
>>551908114And you aren't?
>>551902737
>>551908791but i do want to suck your cock, but i can't if you don't win the debate :(
>>551908939make sure to keep it to yourself because NOONE and I mean NOONE in this general careswe only want things made for US
>>551905736he was a rich boy from a family of famous scientists. He was a neglected child, but still admired his grandfather, at first he tried to be a teacher, but then he choose to become a scientist due to his grandfather influence. As the same he wanted to take over the world is partly due to wanting revenge on what they did to his grandfather.https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Doctor_Eggman/History_and_appearances_(1991_-_2006)#Past
Archie is just Dragon Ball Evolution but for Sonic
>>551909018hmmm nyo, I will share it if I feel like it
>>551909063this pic is kinda hotand i don't usually feel attracted to eggman
>>551909063>As the same he wanted to take over the world is partly due to wanting revenge on what they did to his grandfatherI thought it was all confidential.
>>551909150you'll have anons itt throwing tomatoes at you
>>551908808Things will shift but they will still exist
>>551909357I will make pasta sauce with them
>>551909146mmmmmno because in archie, sonic actually looks like sonicin db evolution goku is justa guy
If they ever replace Roger as a voice actor, do you think people will finally realize he has never once has had a game where people thought he voiced Sonic okay? Roger doesnt have a single positively recieved entry as this character, despite for voicing him the longest. The MOST I have seen about him is that he did okay in Boom, but is that really a win? Jason got better over time, Ryan didnt have a whole lot of time to voice him but was memorable as hell. Roger is only ever brought up in lament over the franchise, specifically Baldy Nosehair and such. Why does SEGA keep Roger around despite not having a single memorable role, it doesnt make sense?
>>551908782
>>551909506All of the personality changes, especially involving romance and teenage strife, are exactly the same as what DBE did to Goku
>>551909292>Half-lidsOut of character
>>551909604>Why does SEGA keep Roger aroundHe works for peanuts and there is nothing companies love more than cheap labor
>>551909712We see Shadow halflid all the time in the games, are you high?
>>551909604You're not gonna like it, but I still rate Roger over Ryan who is only "memorable" for - quite frankly - meme lines (and fucking a fan I guess). Jason was just getting good before getting cut though, I'll agree.Regardless, it all comes down to direction. Roger was specifically told "do a deep voice" for Frontiers and it was shit. That's not Roger's fault so I can't hold that against him, whereas Boom did have good direction and comical timing and as you say, that's his most notable role.I'll always pin the blame on Sega for simply not giving a shit.
>>551909604>>551909910I despise Sega for laying off Jason Griffith just when his voice acting hit its peak. He was Sonic and Shadow's most memorable voice actor
>>551908082
Perhaps Sonic is cocky, but his skills are so advanced that he is constantly validated for acting this way. "cocky" implies there's ever a time where it's too much.
>>551909910>You're not gonna like it, but I still rate Roger over RyanYou were right and you explanation for it was insufficient. This franchise should mean more than memes.>I'll always pin the blame on Sega for simply not giving a shit.That's where I start agreeing again. Even Roger's best roles, are worse than that Ryan's worst.
>>551909063it's very clear that Maria's death caused his neglect from his parents, making him into the man he is today- pompous, needing attention whether or not it is negative or positive>>551909229he is the most arousing man in the Sonic Universe
>>551910117>He was Sonic most memorable voice actorSure>Shadow'sOkay let's not be silly. David Humphrey is still the king.
>>551909814He always has a wide, piercing stare. Half-lids are a western addition
>>551908082that's because Sonic and Eggman are destined to be together, Sally is just a side piece
>>551910117Its all because he had the gall to join a union and SEGA busted him for that, replacing him with someone that fucked over Sonic for now 15 years. Every single fan animation uses Jason or Ryan for the inspiration for the voice, and that shows how forgettable Roger is.
>>551909630well, true dat
>>551909292>>551909712I didn't prompt for him to have his eyes open all the way! It just knew...
>>551910402Incorrect
>>551908270>>551909620Not him, but can you do this in anime/X style, please?
>>551909292It's implied in Gerald's story.>>551910341Quite sure that and the aftermath of Gerald being blamed for Project shadow and branded as a criminal against humanity and executed. His father probably had to deal with a lot and couldn't give him any attention.
>>551910630
>>551910881Dont care + youre still wrong
>>551910847I think that, and also a combination of jealousy towards Maria. He did state in one of his journals that they were still mourning her while he was "RIGHT THERE".
>>551910881
>>551910881Okay, but you are still wrong
>>551910281Sure Ryan is the best of a bad batch (Adventure Tails and Knuckles were fucking dire; I don't care if Tails was an actual child there's a reason the industry gets women to voice boys instead) but I think my problem with Ryan is that he could do the cocky, jokey lines but any time he had to sound somewhat sincere it fell completely flat.Now you could argue that the "sincere" parts don't matter and at least he could do the important bits, but thinking about later games (and even Adventure), he wouldn't have lasted.
>>551910881>you will follow the corposlop and you will be happy
why do archie fags get mad when you point out that sonic doesn't act like that?
>>551910375I'm fine with David Humphrey. He and Jason sound nearly exactly the same. Jason just has a slightly more husky timbre.>>551910503True that. That just shows how important Jason was for Sonic
>>551911440why are you engaging with archie fags?
>>551911172>but any time he had to sound somewhat sincere it fell completely flatI thought Sonic specifically wasn't supposed to care about that shit, or does the wind shit only matter when you guys want it to? Regardless. Yes, I think Ryan fell flat in more genuine scenes, but that's something that we could see improving at the end. We gave Roger 15 years, and he has not even slightly improved, on top of not being accurate, he fails in EVERY regard, westfag and purists both hate him.
>>551911557Brother I have no idea what this "windnic" shit is, I filter that stuff.
>>551908690too cute
>>551902402Bedroom eyes Amy is my favorite Amy.
>>551911694based
>>551911694>>551911557Nonfans, both of you
>>551911023Yeah, you're right. Apparently she was the focus of all of his family interactions and had all the attention of his grandfather he idolized. He probably grew a lot bitter because of that.
>>551911172>cocky, jokeyYou praise Ryan for this. Name a single time that was actually in the original version of the game.
>>551893393>only two responses to sovlThis thread is cooked
>>551911694Okay. Then I will speak plainly. Roger is not a voice actor that appeals to either japanese or western fans, and is only kept around because he works cheap. Every other voice actor, in less time, has had more memorable lines than Roger has had in 15 years, excluding the lines said in this franchises detriment. It is not conducive for the health of the franchise ro keep him around, as his only purpose is to save money.
>>551911694>"windnic"It just means Sonic's personality from the games with nothing from the comics
>>551912023>Every other voice actor, in less time, has had more memorable lines than Roger has had in 15 yearsSounds like a problem with the writing to me.
>>551911694That's for the best.
>>551911797I don't care about your considerations on whether or not I am a fan, thanks. Try that tactic elsewhere.
>>551912147It is.
>>551912147>Sounds like a problem with the writing to me.The Japanese have been writing the games until very recently, as a note.
>>551911109>>551911154grrrr eyelids make me angry for some reason i guess i dunno
Characterization discussion here has gotten so bad that comicfags filter canon shit because they can't handle being told they're wrong
>>551912552If the canon isn't good I'm going to filter it, yes.
>>551912176You don't like the canon version of the character. Am I wrong? You think it would be better if he acted like his non canon western counterparts.
>>551912709You are wrong, yes.
Sonic's personality from SA1 to Sonic Frontiers is roughly the same and the biggest differences kick in in Sonic colors when he starts to tell more jokes and Frontiers when he entertains the idea of "making up his mind about Amy". I am starting to get really confused when people start talking about the change in direction of his character. The only real difference I can see is that the Griffith Era was the only time where his personality was a direct translation instead of being embellished to sound cooler. If that's what you miss then I get it. There haven't been any actual changes to how he acts or his attitudes on anything. If this is about shipping... There was no indication that game!Sonic liked romance until Frontiers. Not even in 06. Even then I'm being generous. What are you guys talking about?
>>551912552I'm not ignorant of the canon characterization, the thread generally just makes talking about it annoying more often than engaging
>>551912709>You don't like the canon version of the character.The answer to this does not dictate whether or not someone is a fan, regardless of how it makes you feel. Hope that helps.
>>551913096>Sonic's personality from SA1 to Sonic Frontiers is roughly the sameI'm not reading passed that. What an obvious lie.
>>551913154If you don't like something then you aren't a fan of it.
If you know so much about canon tell me what would IC Shadow do if the spirit of Elias Acorn possessed Sonic's body and wanted to mate with every half-decent looking human male in sight, and Shadow knew it is actually Elias puppeteering the body of Sonic even if he doesn't know who Elias actually is because he is not canon anymore due to being too lewd
>>551913293If you're talking about the english versions then Sonic's character changed simply because SA1-SATBK didn't actually have writers doing the localization while Colors onward did.
>>551913314I do like it. Just not the way you think I should. I am a bigger fan of this franchise than you because of that. Art is subjective, and if you can not see that, you are merely ignorant, and would mean none of what you say has merit anyways.
>>551913293There's literally no actual difference. People will say "oh sonic was cockier in the older games" no he fucking wasn't. If anything he's cockier in the later games as a result of them being written by english speakers first.
>>551913517>If you're talking about the english versionsI am not. If you can not see how Sonic in the Japanese games has changed over the years, you have not been paying attention.
People who think Sonic is cockyPeople who think Shadow has friendsPeople who think Silver is a cinnamon roll All of the above are just open admission to having low IQ or being unable to separate the comics from the games
>>551913682You dont understand Sonic then. The difference between his jail cell scenes in SA2 and Forces should be your smoking gun, but you don't understand Sonic so you dont see it.
you have to have a very high IQ to think this monkey is fuckable
>>551913868What's the difference in Forces? He was annoyed in SA2 and annoyed in Forces. In Forces he was cuffed and in SA2 he wasn't. Are you.. under the impression that Sonic was furious in SA2?
https://youtu.be/px7CH5NVQXQ?si=K6pq-DoGK7-VFm7S&t=359All westfags should unironically be ashamed of themselves. Sonic's character hasn't changed from day 1.
>>551914019The fact he sits there with a smile on his face, kicking his feet and quips the second his cuffs come off, instead of being annoyed at being captive at the get go proves you dont get it. The wind should not enjoy captivity.
Which of Sonic's moms has got it going on the most?
>>551913913tits too small
>>551914019His entire body language was different you retard.
>>551914228
>inb4 westfags claim sonic decided to lie exactly once in the entire history of the games for this one specific moment
>>551914409And even in doing that he was pacing around, hating captivity. Also a lie considering we saw him get jumped while captured after Big Foot. Stop ignoring evidence. Sonic hated being in that cell for even a moment
'ate Tree Niggers.
>>551910703I'm not super familiar with the Archie Comics characters, who is that? Is that Elias?
>>551914409lmao whatta cope
>>551914651He paces for 2 seconds and spends the rest of the time stretching getting ready for his next move. Sonic X even shows that he was smiling.
How exactly was going to jail going to give him clues about Shadow?
>>551913830being cocky and being an asshole are two different things, Sonic is "cocky" because he's confident
>>551914651... And he also hated being in the cell in Forces. How exactly do you expect him to act in Forces? What should have changed? He was bound unlike in SA2.
>>551915027Low IQ poster who never played the games
>>551915194so when Sonic is fighting and bantering with Eggman, he's not being cocky?
wolf
>>551915328If that was the kind of cocky that the comics maxed out at then I would have nothing to critique.
>>551911109depresseddow
I'm tired of having these arguments every single day. I want comicfags to get it through their thick skulls that the comics are out of character. IDW is out of character, Archie is GROSSLY out of character. SatAM isn't even TRYING to be Sonic. Fuck off already. Every single day with you retards. This is a VIDEOGAME general. I'm BEGGING you play the GAMES and talk about the GAMES stop trying to sneak in your shitty OOC comic vileshit. Sonic would never do any of that shit. I am so tired of you. We don't need to have this discussion every day but it happens because you fucking idiots are too stupid to separate two entire different canons apart. Holy fuck I've had enough.
>>551914854>He paces for 2 seconds and spends the rest of the time stretching getting ready for his next moveThat's still far different than Forces Sonic kicking his feet smiling like a little girl, and if you STILL fail to see that, I don't care to further this argument, because evidence wont help sway a mind as dull as yours>Sonic XCase in point. >>551915028No he did not. Play the games.
>>551913913
can't we just like our individual sonic variants and be friends?
>>551915669You could just filter them. Archie, SatAM, etc. Just filter it, bro.
>>551915792There is only one Sonic and he's never been in a western cartoon or comic
>>551915669Concession accepted
>>551914773Yep, Elias Acorn, Sally's hot brother
Comcifags when you tell them that Sonic wouldn't date Sally Acorn, get married, scoff at Tails, sign himself up for a job, go to school, or yield to any authority. Sonamyfags do not piggyback off of my posts.
>>551915825Incorrect
>>551915792NO we have to seethe that other sonics have been a thing every single day for some reason
The Japanese versions of the games are in-character. Things that contradict them are out of character. Is this confusing?
It is a small thing, but it makes me happy to see Blaze and Marine>You almost hear Marine's joyous voiceIf only she had one
>>551915792Your sonic comes at the expense of my sonic.we are enemies.
>>551916176Not confusing, just incorrect.
>>551915447Good like all comic characters
man, my cat's water bowl pump broke
"Let people enjoy things"IDW suddenly becomes in-character whenever it isn't written by Archie alumni. This is because Archiefags cannot write Sonic in-character
>>551916336fucking clean the bowl and pour fresh water in it once a day how hard can it be that you need a pump
>>551916176All Japanese content is canon. Not all japanese content is in character
My favorite character is still ratchet
>>551916429And canon is a marketing tool to sell products. Canon is a cuckolds interest. I decide what happens in Sonic.
>>551916425I tend to be away from home for days at a time often and can't always get a cat sitter, anon
>>551916429>All Japanese content is canon. Not all japanese content is in characterThis is fine by me
>>551916515the chosen one product placement mascot nuratchet or actual ratchet?
>>551915792>can't we just like our individual sonic variantsThere shouldn't be "individual Sonic variants" IN THE FIRST PLACE. Heck, NO CHARACTER should be fragmented like this, without very good reason or justification. Every character should be internally consistent as the same character, no matter the adaptation. If you play a Sonic game, watch a Sonic cartoon and read a Sonic comic, you should experience the same "character" throughout all mediums. Even if the stories are different, you shouldn't be confused on who Sonic is as a person. The fundamental core of the character is the one thing that should NEVER change across all adaptations and iterations.
>>551916705the first ratchet before he was sanded down in the sequels
>>551915792>>551915792>>551916242
>>551916008Amy and Sally are 2 different characters with different personalities. Amy's personality fits Sonic the most
>>551916774spiderman
>>551916705Insomnia makes a game about the corruption of capitalism>it succeeds>immediately drop that entire idea, for the same game 100 time in a row afterwards Only the first one is good.
>>551915792It would be great if we could do that but comictards literally can't tell the difference between the games and the comics and they chime into conversations making annoying claims about how Sonic and Shadow should act when they have NEVER BEEN LIKE THATThankfully the pendulum is swinging the other way and people are starting to realize that the comics have ALWAYS been out of character
>>551917001shadow has no friends just like meeeee!!!! yippeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
Sonic would have gay sex with Tails Knuckles and Shadow before even touching Amy. This is canon and IC.
>>551916921I didn't say otherwise. I said don't piggyback off of my post. I am tired of Sonallyfags but I'm also tired of Sonamyfags who think their particular brand of OOC is any better just because Sonally is OOC to the point of ridiculousness. There is a way to portray Sonic and Amy that is in-character and Sonamyfags don't like it.
>>5519169712 and deadlocked are great too, but they obviously ran out of ideas after that and should have just ended the series like they did with spyro
>>551916691It shouldn’t be. Have better standards for something you declare to be the gold standard
>>551916942The Spider-Man will argue about the same thing, so what's your point? Even then, at least everyone can agree what Peter Parker's origin story and what he's all about.
>>551915792>There is only one Sonic
>>551916774it's by designit's so SEGA can collect on all the different iterations of Sonic without taking accountability for having written the iterations
>>551917248I mean the statement, not the fact itself
>>551917249Mario brother
>>551917181I really didn't get into 2 because it already felt like a massive tonal shift, but I have too many hours with Deadlocked with my brother to not say its a good one. The "Adapt or Die" label might not have had to be added of they kept their soul.
>>551917070You see this is why I like Knuckles. He's actually has friends and interests
>>551917158>There is a way to portray Sonic and Amy that is in-character and Sonamyfags don't like it.Careful. They might call you a Brandnicfag for speaking this truth
>>551916942>Using Spider-man as an exampleSpider-man fans will literally go on a murderous rampage if they see one more iteration of Spider-man who is a socially awkward softboy. They are even more aggressive about characterization than Sonic fans at this point because unlike Sonic their "main" version has been erased entirely over time and will never come back
>>551917389the Grinch
>>551917158More like you don't Sonamy just because it's romance. I can't for 2027 to show you that Sonamy can go beyond small and pointless teases and still be in-character
>>551917565 (me)*I can't wait
>>551914773Thank you very much, this is great. And yes, that's Elias.
>>551916429>>551916691canon is decided by authorship, not correctness or how much you like itsonic 06 disasterous production destroyed the original sonic teamtherefore 06 is the last canon gameall sonic team games up until then are canonall non-sonic team things before and after, and all post-06 sonic team games are not canon
>>551917565Fuck off. I'd rather deal with Sonallyfags than you delusional fucking idiot people at this point.
>>551917805>this post enrages and infuriates /sthg/, because it is true.
sonic died with the dreamcast
do sonallyfags actually think windnic would date sally or is that just something sonamyfags whip out as an attack method
>>551916227>FireworksTanabata intensifies
>>551916227>his
>>551918130>windnicNo.Sally's Sonic is a different character.
>spidermanIf you think spiderfags actually like the fact that the different adaptations have different personalities then i envy your peace of mind.sonic fans are sweet little angels by comparison
>>551918130I doubt sonallyfags care about windnic, so the latter.
>>551918130>do sonallyfags actually think windnic would date sallyIm not a shipping fag, but someone who enjoys SatAM. Sonic and Sally are meant to be flirtatious, but not in a relationship as they both are non-negotiable with their views. SatAM Sally is also fundamentally different than Archie Sally and should not be compared.
Sonic is cocky
>>551918192Marine and blaze were the real tanabata all along because they literally only see each other once a year
>>551918130Most sonallyfags didn't even read the comic. If they did they'd know sonally was actively bring killed off on first 250 issues, until Ian started shipping them hardcore. Then the comic rebooted killing the ship, them it died permanently 40 issues later
>>551918419I don't actually think about anything that I watch or play I just consume my slop and sit happily in my chair
>>551917830Go deal with them then. At least we're not the ones clinging onto something that was never canon just because of 90s nostalgia goggles. Just don't use this in-character/out-of-character discourse as a cover for the fact that you personally don't like Amy or romance
>>551918432My Sonic is. If game Sonic isnt cocky, then he sucks. Simple as.>You don't lik-Correct, not yours at least. Going by ratings and sales, neither did you.
>>551918423So Sonouge basically https://browniehideout.wordpress.com/2021/08/19/sonic-channel-wallpaper-cover-story-sonic-rouge-august-2021/
God I hate Branchnicfags.
>>551918791Again, I'm not a shipfag, so sure?
>>551916336>>551916425You... should change it at least 3 times per day
>More people begin actually reading Archie after years of over hearing about bits and pieces of it.>"Hey, why does every single character start acting incredibly OOC as soon as Ian Flynn gets on.">"Why does Flynn retcon Fiona's entire character and make her evil? Why is Scourge a Gary Stu now? Why are the Council of Acorn members politically suicidal?"Love to see it. Love to see the shit I was bitching about over a decade ago get vindicated.
>>551917540That's literally who Peter Parker is and has always been.
>>551918972I don't like penders as an actual human being and he wrote in some absolutely disgusting shit to the comic but all Ian did was nostalgia pander to himself once he got hired.
>>551918972Before Ian, Archie was kino.
>Insomnia makes a game about the corruption of capitalism???
>>551918972>Why are the Council of Acorn members politically suicidal?Ok but seriously this one always drove me insane. What the actual fuck was wrong with those tards?
If you're over 30 you should not be talking about Sonic.
>>551918130Sally is only tolerable in SatAM and the first 47 Archie issues. Of course they have them smooch in the end of season 2 and ish 50 because those were intended as potential series finales (both having Snively at large). The writers had nooooo idea what to do with them after they became an item. Which is why Sonic practically becomes a different character and Sally is insufferable until the reboot.
>>551919098Ratchet and Clank 1 is exactly about that. Play it again if you don't believe me. You even have to pay for cutscenes through infobots.
>>551919028I want you to go tell that to a comic spider purist and come back and you will be exactly like me.
>>551919098>sells it
>>551919292>Ratchet and Clank 1 is exactly about thatDude i played it, and the villain is a corrupted politician with hands everywhere.
>>551919082
>>551918972>That time when Scourge was able to solo Sonic, Amy, Anti-Amy, Shadow, Silver, Metal Sonic, Metal Scourge and Robin all at the same time as well as both of the Freedom Fighters and Suppression Squad.It's kind of ridiculous that people don't point out how hilariously out of pocket and stupid this is.
If you're over 20 you should not be talking about Sonic
If you're over 30 you should not be talking about Sonic except the porn.
If you are out of the womb, you should not be talking about Sonic.
>>551919514Yes? And you are to tell me that is unlike capitalism?
>>551918871Sonic and Rouge's official dynamic is that she can try to flirt with Sonic, and he can play along, but he will never actually listen to her. They are both two headstrong to work properly for more than a few minutes.
>>551919765I'm 99 and I'm about to pass away in 5 minutesSonic is Le wind
Now to spam this everyday until japanese purist apologize for being alive
>>551919187That's right, this is the BABY FRANCHISE now! You can not like Sonic, unless you're still breastfeeding!
Capitalism is when bad thing happens.Socialism is when good thing happens.People who like bad things happening are literally Hitler.Bad things are whatever makes me personally feel bad at that exact moment.If you don't share my political philosophy you are all sheep.
>>551920024>unless you're still breastfeedingI can do that over 30
>>551919786Well we're talking about stealing resources from multiple planets to build a personal residence, it's not like state actors never did that, the soviets drained an entire giant lake for their agricultural plan and it was still a failure afterwards.
>>551920069I want a game with Bump & Sage so bad....
Here's your Sally and Windnic interaction
>>551920069this but unironically
>>551920024>unless you're still breastfeeding!Mmmmmmm...
>>551920189What would the gameplay be?
>>551920069reddit, twitter, bluesky, breadtube....
Sonic and Pokemon are the literal only two franchises that are meant for kids where the adults in the fandom ACTIVELY vouch and defend for less quality products and it's insane to me. Why the fuck would you want kids to have less quality content? Don't you want them to have a good childhood? Why disservice yourself and the younger fans?
>>551920018>using idw as example>idw that created uwver
>>551920168>the soviets drained an entire giant lake for their agricultural plan and it was still a failure afterwardsI'm not to attempt to say Capitalism is a failed system or imply it. I am merely telling you what the game is about.
>>551920024You can be under 30 and smoke and drink and have a whole family. Being under 30 does not make you a baby you old fuck.
>>551920345dating sim
>>551920345It could be anything really, but I've always day dreamed of them being in a game similar to Helldivers 2 or something. Why not!
>>551920456>Being under 30 does not make you a baby you old fuck.Yet, here you are, to prove the contrary, by being one.
>>551920345NTAI thought it would be a neat parody game to have unpowered characters run through the same levels as Sonic but incompetently.
One of the reasons Ian struggles to write in character is because he writes the characters through his own voice. They end up adopting his own speech mannerisms instead of having their own. Ian doesn't think "Would Sonic say this" or "Would this sound right coming out of Zavok's mouth" or anything like that.
>>551920426The game is about environmentalism and imperialism like all shit was about environmentalism and imperialism back in the day... Or so i remember. Yes, criticism about capitalism was also present but it depends what part of it you want to criticize.
gen Z threadwait no-gen alpha thread
Flat is when bad thing happens.Boobs is when good thing happens.People who like flat things happening are literally gay.Bad things are whatever makes me personally feel less horny at that exact moment.If you don't share my political philosophy you are all sloths.
>>551920585>I know you are but what am I level "retort"
>>551920373Consoomer adults will buy anything as long as it has the brand label on it and this is why the quality will never go up. If you settle for mediocrity, don't expect excellence
>>551920948And then Sage calls Bump a titty monster and attacks her
>>551920917>Yes, criticism about capitalism was also present but it depends what part of it you want to criticizeYou can ignore it, but that does not change what Insomniac has, through interviews, have said what the game is about.
>>551920373have you ever heard of a disney adult
>>551920345R18+ dating sim where the mini-game to increase affection/devotion is playing classic Sonic stages with them as the playable character, (they are incompetent and slow) and you can passively increase the ranks by answering dialogue options pertaining to Sonic trivia correctly.
>>551920989Perfect for your age bracket.
>>551920419Did IDW ever call Silver a realist? No, the morons at Sega didIDW > Sega . It's as simple as that
>>551920373That's not every Sonic and Pokemon fan but for those who do are just way too personally and emotionally attached to the series where it makes up a big part of their life and becomes their place of comfort so hearing anything negative and hate about the series therefore feels like a personal attack on them and what they love>"How do dare you attack my only place of happines and comfort away from all the bad and negative in my life!"
>>551921081Finally a good Sonic story.
>>551921287Yet it came from yours.
>>551921132I've had plenty of real life experiences with the types of people who would be labeled as Disney Adults or adjacent to them. Even most of them have a bar of minimum standards. At the very least, you have to actually entertain them on some basal level before they will spend their money.There are Sonic fans (and Pokemon fans even more so) that practically beg on social media for SEGA to Sonic Team to basically pump out a mainline Sonic game on a yearly basis. These types of people are just fucking retarded on a level I cannot grasp.
>>551921131I don't follow interviews, people usually just repeat the same mantra for decades (if not centuries) and writers are known to be progressives (although they were more sane years ago).Oddworld was also about all that stuff but i just want to add much of the exploitation would not be possible without aggressive and corrupted governments.
>>551921424he is one
Every single thread you people mention sex or rape or sexual assault just stop being freaks for five minutes
>Bump moves at a decent speed but can't actually kill any of the enemies, forcing the player to find other ways around them>Sage moves slow and will occasionally just flop to the floor without warning. She has a claw attack that can kill enemies but it's also slow>Neither character can effectively use slopes so there are alternative animations for climbing through the hoops and sheer ramps in every level.
>>551921830>stop being myselfnot very windy of you
*draws sonic raping silver*
>>551921830Make me, nerd.
>>551921830I'm trying to talk about how Flynn has always been a bad writer and Fiona and the Council of Acorn are proof of this in concept.
>>551921781Silver is not realist, he's about having hope to the point of complete naivety
>>5519218304chan exists so we are entertained and we don't rape randoms on the street
>>551921830Damn that's crazy*Rapes you*
>>551921830God I wanna rape Geoffrey St John so fucking bad
sonilver is just sonknux but more uwu
The games flanderized the characters worse than the comics ever did
>>551913913Get rid of the tail and ears first then sure. Monkey brain monkey do. Ooh ooh ahh ahh retarded nigger
>>551922185Sonic is the only one looks uwu in that pic
the PERFECT girl
>>551921498Much like most things of your generation, you merely exist as a copy of what we created. Your best is a simulacrum, a poor one, of our creations. Congratulations, you stepped into your own trap, dumbass.
>>551922281Fight them back tails!
>>551922370Ears too small.
>>551922281The comics can at least be ignored since they are side media. There is no ignoring the games
>>551922185>No handholdingWEAK
>>551922461That doesn't even make sense. This is the stupidest cope posted in the thread, congrats.
>>551921759I blame those youtube video essays of the blame 2020s, those videos got every comman dullard thinking that they have some deep intellectual read of a story without consideration of actual intent.
>>551922657>That doesn't even make senseI figured your generation was lost, but seeing it first hand is saddening. Do you need more common words? Do you need it spoonfed to you to understand? How should I explain this to your feeble mind, what did you not parse?
can't we all just get along
>>551922683Meh i dunno, power is power and anarchism was big back then so state and corporation was the same thing.In part i miss those kind of leftists, at least they helped pirating stuff alongside libertarians, now everyone is an authoritarian bootlicker.
>>551922683>Of the mid 2020s*Not sure what happened there.
>>551922890>what did you not parse?Why are you talking like that? Time for your medication gramps.
*stares at you*
>>551922525What about her butt?
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