Welcome to the Sonic General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #8938 - Wrong Acorn Edition==NEWS==>NiGHTS, AiAi, Tangle & Whisper in Sonic Racing: CrossWorldshttps://youtu.be/B0DHucYYD0k>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027https://variety.com/2025/film/news/sonic-4-release-date-march-2027-1236280697/>Sonic universe event film to release on December 22, 2028https://xcancel.com/rejectedjokes/status/1995685906444100087==Comic Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog #84 - 04 February 2026Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds (oneshot) - 11 February 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #85 - 18 February 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>/sthg/ OP template:https://rentry.org/sthgtemplate>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#comics>Sonic shows:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#shows>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org>SHChttps://shc.zone>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org>/sthg/ OC info:https://sthgoc.tumblr.com/archive>/sthg/ CyTube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixel World:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>551986571
Archie mischaracterized Sonic
>>552030534And that's a good thing
>>552030534Thank god
I think we all can agree Sega of Japan is stupid beyond repair
>>552030665In it's current state especially, but it's also a problem they've always had.
>>552030534So did the games
>>552030830Not reading that
Archie is fanfiction
>>552030817Sonic was never cocky. He was never looking for a relationship. He was never a relatable teenager. Archie made all of that up along with SatAM and now we're stuck with retards who think Sonic is supposed to act like Spider Man
Archie is fanfiction that surpasses the original
>>552030982Yes he was. You don't understand Sonic.
Silver has PTSD and Sonic cures it with punch therapy
>>552030962Fanfiction is more in character than Archie because it's made by fans. Archie wasn't made by fans. It is made and enjoyed by people who hate Sonic
>>552031293Archie was good tho
>>552030525Burgers really loves to do anything to prevent Amy and Sonic from being a thing
It's not even discussion at this point, it's just two factions of monkeys flinging shit at each other.
The games ruined their own characterizations by sidelining all the characters into lame support/cheerleading roles beneath Sonic, while also flanderizing Sonic himself. Until you can acknowledge this fact I don’t want to hear any crying about the comics or other side media
>>552031512You're surprised?
>>552031364When you play the games with their raw japanese scripts you begin to realize that Sega of America was seething at Amy's existence and used the 2000s games to undermine her as much as possible. That's why Archie fans (also known as illiterate people) have such an easy time shitting on her.
>>552031668>When you play the games with their raw japanese scriptsLike 4 total people have done this
I shouldn’t have to play games in a different language to get the “true” meaning
>>552031538>while also flanderizing Sonic himselfHow?
Your king is cold
>>552031538I wonder which demographic kept insulting the fleshed out game cast? Hm? Couldn't have been Satamfags bitter that their irrelevant characters that only exist to ruin Sonic's personality weren't in the games? Oh?
>>552031826Especially if the default language's characterization is inferior and not even talked about
>>552031830In colors he’s an asshole. In lost world he’s depressed. In forces he’s “windy” to an insane unbelievable degree (you can’t tell me he wouldn’t be bothered by being imprisoned 6 months).
Yesterday someone didn't realize Sonic's "cocky and snarky" bits from SA2 were almost completely absent from the Japanese version. I thought everyone knew this. That was the first big example of character shitstorms back in the day. I'm getting so fucking old, I'm almost 30.
>>552032163>Yesterday someone didn't realize Sonic's "cocky and snarky" bits from SA2 were almost completely absent from the Japanese versionBecause no one plays the JP version
>>552031826That's why localization is bad. Not even a Sonic specific problem.
>>552031925Sonic Team didn’t have to listen to them, but they did, and we got the meta era because of it
the real redpill is that sonic forces takes "sonic is the wind" to its logical conclusion
>>552032368That everyone else needs to be made lame and stupid to accommodate windnic?
>>552031826That's because SoA just can't help themselves but forcing their own believes for how the characters should talk and act at every uppertunity they get instead of just doing a 1-1 translation of the japanese script. It's been like this since the 90sBut it's also SoJ faulth for not being more strict with how SoA potrays the series
>>552032482It’s SoJ’s fault for making things boring. Why do you think Sonic only sells in the west?
>>552031826This happens with every japanese property but westfags want to pretend Sonic dubs are valid. I guess onigiri must be jelly donuts and death is just a dungeon. >>552032163Cocky Sonic is retarded because it implies that Sonic isn't actually cool, he just thinks he's cool and actively tries to be cool. The only time it was actually written into his character and not part of a translation is the comics and cartoons, all of them like to make Sonic some dude who's trying to be cool.
>>552030283Based thread edition OP
The thing with doing 1:1 translations is how unnatural it all sounds to a foreign audience.It's not just an english problem, it's a worldwide problem due to language and cultural differences.
>>552032658How is western Sonic not boring and lame?
>>552030283>Punchline is based on Sonic being in a violently OOC relationship with a character that the real Sonic wouldn't ever think of datingThe world would be a better place if Satam never existed and if Ian Flynn was never born. I almost said Ken Penders, but it turns out he actually understood the problem with this crap all along.
>>552032843Sally is dead, Sonic was never anything like the character in this image. Move on and be done with this disgusting potty train shit.
>>552032873It’s clearly not or else things like Archie IDW and the movies wouldn’t even exist
>>552032658What part of making Sonic egotistical, dumb, and saying stupid quips makes him better? Do you think Goku would be better if he was a wisecracker looking for a shitty girlfriend? >>552032843Why did this artist draw Sonic as a king in a gay relationship with what is obviously a male character? Did they just want to hit every OOC box possible?
>>552033347Careful, the archiefags will seethe about this and use windfag as an insult
some of you really come here to have the same argument every day
>>552033574They hate the games, they deserve no respect
>>552033120I find Archie/IDW/Movie Sonic to be lame and tryhard zoomer garbage but that impostor was never Sonic to me be to begin
>>552033347Most people like when characters have, y’know, an actual character to them outside of being a perfect hero. It’s why people like Batman more than Superman. Goku works because of his action scenes, which Sonic will never touch, and the Japanese people know that
>>552033574Archie fans love posting Archie shit and ships of Sonic being OOC because they know it will ragebait people who aren't into their shitty romance drama series.>>552033120None of those Sonics are cool. In-universe all of the western Sonics are all just jerks who wish they were cool and have big egos.
>>552033120IDW exists because of JP Sonic and the movies aren't even like the other western Sonics.
>>552032843WHY DOES SONIC HAVE A MOUSTACHE
blue eyelids
>>552033883I reject everything about this image
>>552032843Why is Sonic married? Why is Sonic married to a man?
I have daddy issues like evan, yet she's incapable of representing it.
>>552033997If it was Shadow instead of Silver you wouldn't
>>552034121No I’d hate that too
>>552033798Why are you here then? Can you name a game where Sonic wasn't the "perfect non-character"? The only examples people ever give me are "The early 2000s" and specifically name off shit that was never actually in those games.
>>552033997It's okay to be gay
>>552034342Not like that it’s not
I leave for 20 minutes and find this place riddled with more Archie seething. Looks like that dead comic wins again if its causing this much strife.
Wait so jp sonic is just some bland characterless mascot? No wonder that shit doesn't sell.
>>552034458>literal who from twitter
>>552034458LOOK SONIC! A TRVTH NVKE!
>>552034490It's because Archiefags refuse to accept that it made everyone from the games OOC
>>552034490It's because Archiefags hate the games
>>552032368Sonic Forces is a black pilled view of Sonic's friends. The red pill of Sonic is seeing everyone being at their best because of Sonic changing their lives for the better through hard work and self reflection. A day where Sonic isn't needed is a day proving of just how great he is. The wind throughout the world spreading screams, delights, and whispers saying "Thank you, Sonic"
>>552034678>>552034680All I see is you crying about a dead comic. Its dead and gone.
>>552034195I’m here because I like all the other characters and their dynamics with Sonic. They are where the real stories lie, in how they grow and change through interacting with Sonic. The early 2000s games were the best at this. The 2010s games were the worst at this (yes even more than any comic or show or movie)
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>>552034589Do you think Goku is characterless? Sonic has a lot of character. He doesn't have to be exactly like the stuff the west made up to have character. He's not interested in "Slowing down" for people metaphorically or otherwise. He's not your "average teenager". He doesn't have an ego and he's humble enough to admit when he's lost. None of that has ever been in an actual fucking Sonic game. If you are learning this now then I feel sorry for you.There are other aspects to Sonic's character that actually make him stand out as a unique personality. Despite being an impatient speedster he actually loves to relax. Despite being a social butterfly he often prefers to be alone. His motives line up 1:1 with the player.
>>552034942Look. It's all three readers of Blade of Courage!
>>552034458Mental illness
>>552035027Tails wouldn’t read that shit, they do him dirty
>>552034942It feels so good to have some in-character Sonic stories coming out once a month. They should just cancel IDW at this point and fire everyone. Blacklist Ian Flynn and Evan Stanley.
>>552034458>extremely intelligent>can't figure out how to print tickets from a computer
>>552035107That's his entire run, anon.
>>552034790
Comicfag brain filter
>>552035336Next Sonic game looks more finished than usual.
>>552035285No, he was cool until Unleashed had him cower for the first time and they somehow decided that trait should stick around
>>552035336I can’t believe people hyped this game
>>552034985And that's what
Why are you surprised that people don't like it when you post garbage of the characters from the games being OOC
>>552035604Sonic fans will hype up literal shit, if Sonic's name is on it.
>>552035730Im not, I'm shitting on you, because you're pathetic.
Does RandomFox spend the whole day crying about a dead comic every day?
>>552035730Why can you not realize that the games themselves can be OOC too
>>552034589Why is it that every time fans are told a specific line of character traits was never canon, they default to "Oh so the character was just bland then and has no personality!" He has a personality, it just isn't that. Sonic's actual, Japanese personality is completely unique compared to the various western versions that generally just turn him into the typical teen hero. The fact that he has none of those earthly desires beyond adventure is shared with very few characters. It's no small wonder people compare him to Goku so often. There's almost no other characters like this. If you find his actual dialogue boring I at least understand since JP Sonic doesn't have any peculiar speech patterns aside from occasionally using english. Disclaimer: Not a purist.
>>552035894Yes. Even if literally no one brings it up. He has unironically gotten more people interested in Archie than they would have been if he kept his mouth shut. I literally never cared about Archie until he started bitching about it, and now I'm catching up with it out of spite.
YOU
>>552036063Archiefags can't read anything for actual entertainment since the comic isn't entertaining >>552036060>Not a puristYou're missing out
>>552035894It's likely he has nothing else to do and genuinely suffers from some for of mental disorder.
>>552036035You could tell me this image came from deviantart and I’d believe you
>>552036176>since the comic isn't entertainingYou haven't read it.
>>552036063Based. Even if Archie is inconsistent, I'm very invested in the characters because of the fuckton of lore, world building and characterization. God, Archie was amazing.
>>552036060>Disclaimer: Not a purist.Yeah, and I also didn’t just shit my pants, just ignore the wet brown stain on my ass
>>552036176>since the comic isn't entertainingYou're thinking of IDW after it became filler.
>>552036262Like, no shit it's not game Sonic. But holy hell is it interesting. Is it good? Fuck no. Is it really fun to read? Fuck yes.
>>552036262It was so out of character that Sega told them to retcon this relationship out of the comic before the reboot even started: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mw77WbLmj8&t=471sThen they had the universe destroy the entire history of the comic to purge anything legally liable, then banned almost everything that mischaracterized the games. All of that is bad even if you disagree with me about the comic being OOC. This is the worst way any comic has ever attempted to handle a property mandate.
>>552036262I hate this trash for the same reason I would hate a comic where Sonic is green and slow
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT
>>552036607For real. It's that simple. I like reading the comic. You can't change that.
>>552036035She is so photogenic
>>552036262Archie is the root of everything westerners fail to understand about Sonic
>>552036262Archie would be so cool if Sonic was actually in it instead of this gross skinwalker>>552036682You can't like something this OOC and still claim to like Sonic
>>552036604I hate shit like Forces for the same reason
>>552036787Yes I can, and I do, additionally you can not stop me.
>>552036517all cause Penders walked all over Archie/SEGA
I get it now. Only the west can write good Sonic.
>>552036885NTA but Yes and no. Sega mandates would be inevitable in any situation where Iizuka or Naka (Before he left) are made to actually read Archie. Reminder that Sonic and Sally were not dating for years until Ian attempted to pair them together, the mandate then came in almost immediately that it has to stop. This was independant of the Penders lawsuit, all that did was put the eyes on the comic.
>>552037048The movies are the apex of Sonic media, this is unironically true.
>>552037048Now you’re catching on
Never will I forget the first time being exposed to Archie Sonic, it was on a YTMND with that one song playing HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME and thinking to myself is he crying? There’s no crying, THERE’S NO CRYING IN SONIC THE HEDGEHOG????????
>>552037157The movies might be the only thing with the "Sonic" title that is worse than Archie. Sonic X cuts it pretty close.
*transforms in your thread*
>>552036787Acting like randomfox is actively working against your cause because he's a degenerate autistic psychopathic asshole that makes people go against what he supports out of spite.
>>552037434Is that not true?
>>552037434>Acting like randomfoxFunny thing to say. Anyways play the fucking games.
>>552037626I have played all the games, and read all of Archie and liked both
>>552037341The only thing worse than Archie is every game of the past 2 decades
>>552037626*plays in english*
Every day Archiefags unironically raid the thread, seething at people for actually understanding the characters. These people never even felt the rumble of a controller in their hand. They probably saw a few cutscenes secondhand, maybe Brainscratch or something like that. But they never really played the damn games. We're stuck with them now because Sega decided to hire Ian Flynn and now these people think they have legitimacy. Pisses me off. You are all idiots.
>>552037784Gigabased canon enjoyer
>>552032675Best acorn.
The problem with Archie is that the fans can't tell that it's out of character even though it should be obvious
I fucking love Archie Sonic, he's so rad
>>552037989Oh yes he is
How well did Sonic X adapt Sonic Frontiers?I got the AI ready to go if you want more requests. This model knows everything but for Sonic it seems to be very biased towards Sonic X.
>>552037316Is Knuckle warm to the touch?
I’ve never read Archie but the fact that it still makes you autists seethe means it’s gotta have some juice. I might check it out
>>552038298I'd love some SatAM gens of game areas if possible.
>>552038298It was better than the game since it was not a melancholic snooze fest and loaded with references.
>>552037626No. No one will do what you say if you're chimping autist about it. You're driving people away and not swaying anybody.
The honest problem with Archie is it makes every other continuity look dull by comparison. Not that it's amazing or anything, just that it's a wild fucking ride. It's like taking hard drugs and everything else is a single beer.
>>552038472I mean I can try but this model is extremely biased towards Sonic X.
>>552038426>Tails game that gives him a busty human companion to fight withI NEED
>>552038440Do not expect accuracy, and you will have a wonderful time. It's incredible.
Sonic is cool
>>552038563Plenty of people, including people who read the comics, actually play the games because of me. Often because they have debated me and realized that the arguments in favor of the comics versus the games simply hold no water. Maybe try having a little bit of nuance.
This franchise needs more assassins.
>>552038321yes...
>>552038737Tails....
Otherwise I can just generate more random Sonic X scenes.
>>552036837https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U28ul9ziu-oPlay Forces instead of getting your opinions from redditors and comic fans
>>552038440Honestly just go into it with the same mentality as a "so bad it's good" movie and you will have a fucking blast.
>>552038607An attempt is just fine. Thanks for trying it
>>552038298More of this Sage Chris shit. Dealer's choice on what they're doing. It's cute.
>Archie is so bad it's good.>IDW is so bad it's boring. There's a huge difference.
>>552038298>>552038426It is rare I get impressed by AI, but I am impressed how much this looks like Sonic X, even the humans are accurate to the style.
>>552038787Damn I love Sonic with pink clothes. He looks so cute and gay
How is "Sonic should act the way he does in the videogames" a hot take? How is that a bad criticism of Archie?
>>552038951I did and I still came to the same conclusion. Sonic Team failed Tails by failing to write an arc to redeem their decisions in Forces. 'They tried' is not good enough
>>552039217Like, Vertic-Al and Hotizont-Al are infinitely more compelling and funny to see than literally anything with Whisper.
>>552038746No they haven't. You have anti-charisma.
hideously brightly-colored fur
>>552039217Archie is a landfill full of garbage, sometimes you can find something coll but you're still in a landfill.IDW is a wasteland with nothing but dust, a sterile world without life. Every character is idealized/flat and the world is simple.
>>552039034Nevermind this AI knows what SATAM is
Anyone who claims Tails was OOC in Forces didn't play the game and is jumping on an annoying bandwagon for the sake of ragebait and "owns"
>>552032898>The world would be a better place if Sonic's canon personality (SATAM) didn't existAh, Japnic zooms... so unwilling to accept the fact that even Japan rejects Japnic. When was the last time you saw "Nicky" in anything official?
>>552039646>Anyone who claims Tails was OOC in Forces-is completely right, because Tails has been OOC since Advenshit retconned his personality and turned him into Sonic's gimp and chauffeur.
>>552039217Yeah pretty much. Archie wasn't always good but it was often entertaining. IDW is a snoozefest only good for sheep tits.
Reminder as we are with one more day left in 2025 that the Sonic Heroes remake is totally dropping this year!
>>552039590>IDW is a wasteland with nothing but dust, a sterile world without life. Every character is idealized/flat and the world is simple.Ah, so they DID faithfully adapt SOJ's Sonic.
>>552038746>It's really himHey Random, why do you support Israel? Sonic wouldn't support Israel. Israel is the biggest oppressor of people in the world.
>>552040036>human>they have elf ears
>>552031293>I like pancakes>So you hate waffles
>>552039645Cool as fuck, thanks!
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>>552039651Nicky? Is this really your best argument? Wow, my jaw has dropped. I already believe Satam fans have low IQ but this really just wow. I am going to be clear and to the point for you, because you have the mind of a bitter infant. I like Sonic games. I don't like things that take Sonic's character and changes it. I don't like your shitty "teenage radical" Sonic. I don't like his shitty out of character pairings. I hate him. Hating him would be one thing. I could agree to disagree with you, but no. Archie shitbrains are so beautifully stupid that they can't look at this character and see instantly how he's different from Sonic the Hedgehog. It's exhausting. Absolutely exhausting. Every single day we have to beat these retards back because they can't even begin to comprehend that when you REMOVE Sonic's character traits and REPLACE them with other character traits that you are MISCHARACTERIZING SONIC. It is so fucking simple. Any human being could understand this. In every other fandom people know that dub changes and OOC adaptations are a thing. But Archie Sonic fans are so stupid. SatAm Sonic fans are even worse. Xfags are quickly climbing up the fucking ladder to be with them though.You're an idiot. You perpetuate things I don't like. You are in direct odds with my happiness. You actively run the risk of taking away things that make me smile. That is what is called an "enemy". Understand?
>>552039646Anyone who claims Tails wasn’t OOC in Forces is just a pathetic ST shill no different than an Archie’s defending their shit
Sonic 3's OST is so shit I can't even rewatch the movie
>>552040248Shadow's such a piece of shit>NOOOO WHY DOESN'T SHE KEEP INVITING ME EVEN THOUGH I REJECTED IT MULTIPLE TIMES
>>552040208That's their favorite "defense" too.
>>552039990The twitter account at least acknowledged its 22 year anniversary.
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>>552040370Is Sonic Stadium still active? Last I checked they killed off status updates
>>552040248>I'm busyNo the fuck he isn't. He's just gonna sit around and stare into space
>>552039646The game itself is shit, the fact it is a major plot point in the sonic canon it's a creative disaster. They really were unable to convey any feeling.
>>552040268It's interesting how Classic Sonic was percieved as a stoic, mature badass before modern games retconned him into a child
>>552039646The issue is the writing is bad. So bad in fact that the attempted arc for Tails is hard to see for many. Forces in it's attempt of a story started itself by shooting Tails' legs off and then lacked the skill to put them back, so instead they merely gave him crutches instead of fixing the problem they created
>>552040370WELL, WELL, WELL. WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE? DO MY EYES DECEIVE ME, OR WAS I RIGHT THE WHOLE GOD DAMN TIME?
>>552040261I tried again.
>>552040513Douge
>>552040346You say this every day. Come up with new material. Accept that some of us actually like the games>>552040563Be specific. Why is the game shit? WHY is the game shit? Tell ME.
>>552040531People don't know this but it was literally intended that he oogle her. He is actually checking her out in this scene, which means the feelings are probably mutual between them.
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>>552040756Seems to be losing a bit of SatAM identity in favor of the Sonic YouTube short animations with this one. The Tyson Hesse ones
>>552040346Tails has been like that since Unleashed
>>552040847You're a fucking idiot. That wasn't the case at all. The writer was being sarcastic.
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>>552040892this picture never fails to make me laugh
>>552040967>Tails has been like that since UnleashedHe cant even harm the creatures in unleashedSo, it makes sense for him to be scared in that game, but in Forces it doesn't make sense, since he practically fought Chaos before, so it wouldn't make sense for him to be afraid of him.
I'm begging you people to actually play a game before you argue about it
>>552040967>japanese Sonic characters have always been consistent since SA1!>actually Tails is OOC 99% of the time, ignore those!Hmmm.
Just build more mechs, tails. Fuck.
>>552040967nta but this showcases why such nuances can be lost even in the hands of the original creators. Am I saying that Tails can never cower? No. But I am saying they're doing it too much while not balancing that with Tails being in action like during the classic and adventure era
>>552041261CHAOS ZERO IS FUCKING DANGEROUS YOU IDIOT YOU JUST ASSUMED THAT BEING ABLE TO FIGHT CHAOS 4 WITH SONIC'S HELP IS THE SAME AS BEING ABLE TO DEFEAT CHAOS ZEROTAILS'S CHARACTER IS LITERALLY CONSISTENT AND NOW THE FRANCHISE HAS TO BEND AROUND PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO NEED TO BE SPOONFED EVERY LITTLE THING LIKE A FUCKING BABY
>>552040994>maekawa responds playfully>it's sarcasmAutistanon...
>>552041428>Tails being in action like during the classic and adventure eraMaybe Tails being confident/brave is the OOC trait, anon. Did you consider that?
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>>552041261>>552041428Tails was mindbroken in Forces from Sonic "dying".
>>552040892Cute N Canon!>>552041604Very Cute N Canon
>>552040967I hate how this shitty general is just people cherrypicking shit for their own arguments.
>>552040967I just called you out earlier this week dumbo>Unleashed>Giant Monsters Tails has never seen before that appear out of nowhere>He decides the best thing to do is flee and he does>Forces>Chaos 0, Tails has beaten Chaos 4 previously>He decides the best thing to do is bend over and scream out the name of someone he thinks is dead
>>552041460Exactly, Tails has always been an idiot coward.
>Waffles pancakes postNo, that's not the same thing. Waffles and Pancakes are legitimately two varieties of the same delicacy. Archie is a direct insult to the games on the level of M Night's Avatar. It is the least extreme example of using the word "rape" to describe an adaptation. You're not going to pretend we're on twitter and use shortform buzzwords to "win". Archie is out of character. Get over it.
>>552041567If I considered that I would have to consider Uwuver being IC
>>552041775>Didn't reply directly because he's too scared What's the matter? Too shy to talk to women?
>>552041775>No, that's not the same thingYes it is.
>>552041604If Evan retreated this I'd regain all my respect for her.
>>552041864That's correct. Uwuver is the new Silver. Thats his character now because thats how little Japan cares.
>this faggot flies into your houseWat do?
>>552041964*retweeted ack
>>552041460>CHAOS ZERO IS FUCKING DANGEROUS YOU IDIOTAh yes a creature made of water that can be harmed by normal hits is more dangerous than a creature made of dark energy that cant even be harmed by normal people and it can be only killed by someone who has the same power.
>>552042157Hes bullet proof dumbass. Tails never fought him solo.
Hmm, I think today I will read Archie Sonic.
Forces doesn't make sense because it was a clusterfuck game rewritten at least 5 times by multiple parties in the span of two years.
>>552042125>it's not made of sugarHow many other lies have I been told by the zoologists?
your OC is pretty rad, anon
>>552038298Sonic and Eggman KISSING
>>552042398Why must SEGA restart every single project they work on?
>>552040790The fuck do you mean why is it shit? They had Tails, whose ENTIRE MO AS A CHARACTER, is overcoming his fear and self-doubt and fighting regardless. They completely threw that in the toilet and pissed and shitted all over it and for what? To give Classic Sonic a cool entrance? That’s fucking horseshit and you know it. And don’t give me your retarded headcanons either “oh but he was SOOOOO depressed” like he wasn’t out doing shit like helping omega AT THE SAME TIME. Being depressed to the point of giving up immediately would have him huddled in a shelter not doing anything at all. Not to mention the fact that, at the beginning of Forces, he’s shown cowering with civilians BEFORE SONIC OR INFINITE EVEN SHOWED UP, which you never even addressed in your garbage video. Just fucking kill yourself already and spare us all your bullshit
>>552042125It's not the Sonic kind I can fuck so I just let him out.
>tails was that for a long timeProblem is, a sidekick shouldn't be like that.
>>552040060Fuck off you retard. You have the wrong person. I sound like him to you because he's correct. There is only one reality. Archie tards think all correct people sound the same. He knows what he's talking about and now he lives rent free in your head. He's too good for this shithole.
>>552042758Hi randomretard
>>552040967And it’s been OOC ever since>>552041282I have never once claimed the former
>>552042758>I sound like him to you because he's correct.
Ice is cold. If you're asked what Ice feels like it isn't a fucking multiple choice question. Every person with a brain will say it is cold. Archiefags are threatened by the fact that the comics are ooc that they just assume everyone who says this is the same guy. Pathetic nonfan fucks who never play the games.
>>552041567You don’t get to overwrite original traits and claim the new shit is IC, you fucki mf retard
>>552043021but Sega does it
>>552043021Yes I do, because that's exactly what happened, whether you like it or not.
>>552042758Random supports Israel and defends zionism so he is wrong.Sonic the Hedgehog.
>>552035604were people talking shit about the white void backgrop back when it came out?
>>552043139fuck sand niggers
>>552043101>>552043119I don’t fucking care, they’re not immune from writing OOC shit because they don’t keep the same staff. Next you’ll tell me the Disney Star Wars are IC because “they own it”
>>552043197No, because this fanbase used to be a lot more zealous about defending this series, when they thought SEGA could still improve.
Western fans are literally calling things from the games ooc. This is so bleak. I'm glad IDW is getting shamed by the manga now.
https://poal.me/xm34iqworst character poll
>>552043119You’re thinking of canon, not in-character
It's in character for (You) to be Zavok's submissive wife. Search your feelings, you know it to be true!
not clicking your ip grabber
>>552043353>Next you’ll tell me the Disney Star Wars are IC because “they own it”Well, you can't prove otherwise. Maybe George should have kept his property if he didnt want it vandalized. Same with Sonic. The original team left. It's not theirs anymore. Things change, anon.
>>552043353How is a consistent character trait that is in multiple games ooc
Movie Eggman is missing his huge ass nose
>>552043586Because anon doesn't like it.
>>552043586Because it betrays the original consistent character trait from multiple games that came beforehand? Are you fucking slow? Or just a retarded shill? Either way, fuck off
>>552042840You call him a retard while no one has actually proven him wrong about Sonic
>>552043538I wish... I'm tired of wageslaving...
>>552043759If a character has been "OOC" longer than they have been "IC" to you, it is you that misunderstands the character.
>>552043759In Sonic adventure 2 Tails doesn't even think So if is dead and still fails to protect the emerald because he's too sad about Sonic not being there. Forces did not ruin his character. People like you are what will ruin his character if you don't shut up.
sex with antoine
>>552043907If I tell you for 20 years that the sky is purple after 5 years of telling you it’s blue, that doesn’t make the sky purple
>>552043897Do you really want to be a manwife? Do men typically want to be manwives?
>>552044171Mental illness
>>552044146Good explanation for why the comics are completely invalid
>>552044120The sky is purple, if the story says it is.
>>552044374Only the dumbest cuck shills think like this. I actually despise you and what you’ve enabled the franchise to become
>>552044171So krack is the one who keeps telling people rouge and shadow aren't friends
>>552042451Thanks, he's a little hyper active though
The sky is actually clear and has no true color.
What if there is no such thing as IC and OOC?They're born as mute characters witha simple personality whose focus is on the gameplay, sega of course failed to adapt them long term.
>>552044494Why do you think they're friends
>>552043139Why were Knuckles and Rouge spreading mud on their faces
>>552040847it wasn't intended at all 06 has motion capture anims
>>552044552The wind is clear and has no true color
>>552044480You can cope, but the truth is the truth. Tails, like any of the other characters, is used as a brand mascot. Their personality is whatever SEGA needs it to be at the time to make sales.
>>552044552>water isn't actually wet*kisses you*
>>552044146>Do you really want to be a manwife?I mean, I wouldn't mind it, it really stems from wishing to pursue more creative pursuits and schooling without being burnt out from work all the timeI dunno how other dudes feel
>>552044494Probably because it's true
>>552044552I remember once me and a friend swimming in a pool for about an hour or two and I looked up and the sky was purple. Either it was the chlorine or just the color of the pool itself that caused the eyes to do that. Strange.
>>552044739I feel the same, but to be fair I'm a FAGGOT so...
>>552044146>Get to sit around and do fucking nothing>All I have to do is walk around in slutty clothes to appease my manWhy do women think they have it hard?
>>552042451Quit trying to flatter Woefag, enabler
This thread is so racist
>>552044959that's hot
>>552044685They’ve only done that because retards like you allow them to, defending any garbage decision they make because “it’s their property, they decide what’s canon” like the fucking ALL STAR corporate cucks you are
>>552044959Yes. And?
>>552044902chris brown
>>552044959niggerdow
>>552044685You and this cope again.
https://youtu.be/UPWN6gZq9cQ?si=Dhdu2X7wn07Ct8eH
Niggerdow.
>>552045059And what the fuck are you going to do about it? Suppose any of that is true. You're gonna sit like a good bitch and take it. You can blame me for businesses taking the option that makes them money all you want, but youre gonna be a good fucking boy and take this slop, regardless of what either of us say here. Sit down, shut up, and enjoy the slop, retard.
>>552044495I bet he can solo Chaos Zero>>552044945my flattery is for all OC creators, my good man
>>552042451all sthg OCs are!
>>552045224Go ahead and try dispell the notion that Tails is a brand mascot. You'll be arguing the wall however. Tails will cowering out again next game, and you will buy and defend it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH4Xy5u65qISonadow vs. Silver
>>552045328What the fuck are any of us doing here if not discussing Sonic? I’m not gonna hold back on calling something shit just because I know it won’t change or because it hurts your little corporate feefees
>>552045483how very correct you are, comrade
>>552045502I'm just gonna let you be retarded and think that. That's what you want the reason to be so that's what you'll rationalize everything to be.
https://youtu.be/za2aPSgsAQ0?si=cmQelTGu53LUO8g5
>>552045680>>552045854See you next release when you do everything I just said you would.
>>552044171Why do people get so butthurt about Shadow being a jerk? It's funny.
>>552044097Bunnie...
>>552046047Because it ruins their ship if Shadow acts like Shadow
>>552045661This has some Naruto ass music
>>552046201Golly I fucking WISH I was in Bunnie's place
>>552046016>acting like I’ll buy the next release Go report that to your corporate overlords
>>552046047>funnyI don't find anything Shadow does funny, he's simply not capable of comedy.
>>552046227this shit is still peak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm2NZrj966E
>>552046047
Shadow isn't purposely an asshole. Americans don't understand that. He's actually almost robotic in the way he speaks, which can come off as being mean, but it's not intended to be mean.
>>552046303You will tho
>>552046470So he's autistic
>>552046470So he's still an asshole, just not intentionally.
>>552046583No, he was just artificially created and then raised among scientists who treated him like a research object. Of course he talks like that.
https://youtu.be/Tz8cRYt5wxk?si=No76KfPGKMHy0VLW
>>552046259Texas?
>>552046709So he's autistic
Actually no, it is intentional. He actively rebuffs any attempt to deepen his understanding of social etiquette, which is what hinders his ability to form new bonds that are deeper than situational coworker. His responses are born out of deliberate apathy.Shadow IS an asshole.
>>552046948Trauma or being treated as inhuman can mimic the signs of autism but he's not autistic.
So, lemme see what's on TV this time.>Tails is scared and calls sonic for help>Sonic does some bullshit, then is almost defeated BUT he remembers to be the protagonist so wins at the end>eggman goes YO OH OH again, then loses control on the latest scheme and goes NOOOOOOOOOO at the end>amy does some minor cheerleading stuff>knuckles has to watch over the GEM THAT SAVED THE PARTY >shadow is busy dumping the ultimate turd>rouge does some espionage stuff, this time she's flat-chested and wears a burqa>silver comes back in time warning people, then does nothing>blaze is fingering in her castleMaybe i should play klonoa instead....
>noooooo shadow has to date my waifu or he is an ass
>>552047032That'll be $70 and no, it will NOT look better than Frontiers.
I'm trans and I love sonamy
>>552047150>no one said nothing about shipping>makes it about shipping
hahahahaha>shadow a gud boi he dindu nuffin he only mean cuz of dem socioeconomic factors he dont kno better
>>552046518Nope. I’ll watch the cutscenes on yt, and if they still treat the characters like garbage ill rightfully point and laugh at the retards who do buy/defend it
>>552047221shipperfags are the only people who cry about it
>>552047185You're racist
>>552047256>I’ll watch the cutscenes on ytAh, good enough. YT revenue is likely more than the game sales these days. Thanks for contributing to total gamefag death.
>>552047278No, I cry about it because Shadow adds nothing to any scene whenever he's around for anything but a fight scene. I'd rather he'd take his antisocial nature to heart and fucked off.
>>552047476>nooo if the character is not super nice and wholesome they are meaninglesskill yourself
>>552047582He doesn't have to be nice, he has to add something meaningful. And he simply fails at the latter.
>>552047582>6-12>they should HATE each otherThis series is not for you
>>552047361More revenue going to cutscene videos would show that Sonic should just drop video games and go full tilt to narrative mediums like comics and shows and movies
>>552047032Stinky fox gf
>>552047706?? just accept shadow how he is. he doesn't have friends. he doesn't want friends. he only loved maria. end of story.
>>552047770And it will.
>>552047157>70 FRICKING DOLLARS???!? Hey dude, i work hard for my money, being a mercenary is not a walk in the park you know??
>>552047907Good
>>552047807>just accept shadow how he isHmmm. No. I will change him to act how I want him to, and you will do nothing about that, that's how this will go, actually.
>>552048065and I'll just be content with the canon shadow while you seethe incessantly every time he shows up because you're a baby
>>552048139>and I'll just be content with the canon shadowYou have never once shown this to be true.
thing i don't like is associated with being trans
Shadow would half lid and smile at me because I want him to.
>>552044864We call that the “JPfag” effect
>>552048487IC
What does having a target demographic, mean if you refuse to give said demographic what that demographic wants? Shouldn't they target this franchise to the people they want to buy it?
>>552048682tldr?
>>552048736Krack seething at fanart and fanfiction being ooc
>>552040582You mean western media and maybe some of the 2010s, this has nothing to do with "modern"
>>552048736Shadow has changed as a character, and anon doesnt like that, because autists hate change.
>>552048723When Paramount of all things understands this but you don’t, that’s fucking dire
>>552045464>my flattery is for all OC creatorsThe ones that don’t post here anymore?>>552045483>>552045851This implies Woe & Woefag are rad. Yeah, Radioactive.
>>552048945I mean, it makes sense Jews would know where the money is at...
>>552049046>The ones that don’t post here anymore?proof?>Yeah, RadioactiveI didn't know he was into Fallout
>>552048927anon is saying they don't want him changed
>>552048879>and maybe some of the 2010sThat’s modern, dear. And no, it’s not “maybe”
>>552049196We are forever at this tug of war between watching nothing to change and wanting to change it all, and we will never meet in the middle. Sonic Team is fighting and unwinnable battle trying to please everyone. They really need a core philosophy to follow. Windnic or otherwise.
>>552049046I do post here though >>552044495
>>552049276It's not the entire extent of what "modern" is. The 2010s also gave us the babified "Classic Sonic". This is a west/west pandering issue
>>552040582He was never portrayed as mature?????
>>552049410Hey. Who wrote the 2010 games? Not the localizations.
>>552049410“Classic Sonic” as an entity is fully a Japan creation. Pinning it on the west is just pathetic japcuck cope
>>552040036>>552040268>>552040514Cool
I am drawing a cute comic thing for my OC
>>552049565>pathetic japcuck copeMany such cases
Krack can't be all that bad. She made this in her MistLiz booru erahttps://files.catbox.moe/d43qb5.webm
>>552049663that's the spirit anon
>>552049565>fully a Japan creationMandated by the west to appeal to 90s westfags
>>552043538God I wish, but I rather be Rotor's subby (boy)wife.>>552044739If you ever draw something, please post and show it. I'd love to see what runs in your mind!>>552036262Agreed wholeheartedly, and cute Sonally.>>552036431I think it IS good. It's got a solid start, lighthearted enough to set out the basic premise and introduce us passively the characters, and the stories are fairly entertaining and convincing enough. A more approaching manner of speaking would be loosen on quality control in part of its long run.And that's not anything special. Not unlike other long run cape comics, not unlike Sonic series itself, very much like everything else on entertainment media.
>>552049887>>552049692
>>552049889>I think it IS goodYou are not going to gaslight me on Post-50, I have read the series.
>>552049931It came into existence to please nostalgiafags after they cried and spammed the entire internet with MUH GREEN EYES for a decade. The only fault on the Japanese side is actually doing what they were told by the west. Naka wouldn't have allowed it if he was still the boss.
>>552049887I thought the west had no mandate power, and things like IDW had to obey SoJ mandates???
>>552050096>I thought the west had no mandate powerThey either make the entire franchise buckle underneath their power, or are completely irrelevant. It all depends on the JP Purist's method of cope.
>>552049701Why would a obsessive Shadowyume make something that mocks her character?
>>552050080Still fully their decision at the end of the day
>>552050096>I thought the west had no mandate powerThey did in the 2010s, especially before Forces. If you read Forces interview you'll see Sonic Team explain they had to insist to follow their creative vision. Generations, Lost World, and Boom is when the west had the most power on the series.
Classic Sonic exists because western millennials were incredibly vocal from the 2000s to 2017, as they did not like Modern Sonic nor the series direction once it went into 3D with SA1. So Classic Sonic was born in order to appease them and to justify a timeline split so Classic Sonic can have more games with no timeline restrictions. However, Superstars poor reception and initial sales caused Sega to stop pandering towards these millennials. As the Classic timeline was retconned back into the main timeline and Sega stating that they want to get away from nostalgia nowadays.
>>552049996That's one nanosecond quick reply of yours, bud.
>>552050292>However, Superstars poor reception and initial sales caused Sega to stop pandering towards these millennials.This is also why they will never touch Adventure again, btw
People demand Shadow change and become something he has never been. Of course that makes someone who likes the character as is upset or annoyed. Sonic Team has already been clear as to what his character is. It shouldn't cause arguments unless people are rejecting what Sega thinks for their headcanon.No, he is not nice and wholesome. No, he does not need to be nice and wholesome, the fact that he isn't is appealing in its own way. There are so many characters in this franchise who are generically nice and who have a lot of friends, the franchise is honestly oversaturated with them. Fans have already removed Silver's rudeness, and his character suffered for it. Why don't you like one of those nice characters, of which there are many dozens, if you want a nice character? What is wrong with having a lone anti-hero character? Why does it make some of you so angry?
>>552050260So why was Classic Sonic still in Forces?
Nobody cares krack
>>552050431Why did you make this? >>552049701
>>552050386Okay, so if you ARE a Rotorfag, how the fuck do you justify his absence for almost 80 issues because they genuinely fucking forgot he existed? How can you say the King Acorn infection arc was ANY good?
caring about krack
>>552050512You do
>>552049163>proof?When was the last time you’ve seen one legit posted here? And not some parody like >>552044495
>>552050260Their own fault for shitting their pants with 06. And if Forces was their attempt at breaking free from the west’s “hold”, even more shame on them
Is there anywhere that i can find the listed dates of every Archie comic issue? The best I can find is the Wikipedia page listing what they published, and the sources for it make no sense
>>552049996I still enjoy the hell out of most of universe.
>>552050654Attempt doesn't mean success. The example they gave was music. SoA really didn't want vocal songs, which is why Generations doesn't have any new ones and Lost World doesn't have them at all.
>>552050529I didn't. The Crashdow thing was one of the most annoying eras of /sthg/ because it became basically impossible to discuss him genuinely. >lol what if Shadow was gay raped by Crash Bandicoot what if he jobbed to random Doctor Who charactersFunny the first few times. Not funny the 3,000th time.
>>552049701Why does it sound like the Stranger Things theme at the start?
>>552050624reynard was posted a couple days ago
>>552050498Because the west still had more power and the game was trying to replicate the success of Generations?
>>552048358Lot of people nowadays trying to force the back spikes on Amy
>>552050739Oh, I fucking ENJOY all of it. But I draw the line at saying post-50 was "good".
>>552042275You can clearly see where it's fucking brain is. And even if it is that dangerous, the dumbass forgot he can fly away
chris was the best part of crashdow
>>552050937Shorts too. That's how you know this guy's a massive fag
>>552051001>the dumbass forgot he can fly awayHappens far more often than even the most zealous Tailsfag would admit. That and him not bailing from a damaged plane, like, ever.
>>552050928I’m sorry I still don’t buy that the west had any tangible power outside of internet opinion, which Sonic Team has never been liable to following outside their own desire to do so
>>552050624posting here and posting our OCs are two different things, I'm regularly engaging in discussions and I haven't posted my OCs in about a month
>>552051205>But muh narrative!
>>552049663I have an idea WoefagHave comic where you and her finally off yourselves
>>552051205We literally have a whole decade worth of output from that, including an entire western Sonic franchise replacement. The 2010s was SoA's vision for Sonic.
>>552051141I am a zealous Tailsfag and I hate how much it happens. It’s a microcosm of why I can’t stand Sonic Team’s writing
THERE WAS NO "PROBLEM" WITH AMYS CHARACTER, SHE WAS CUTE, SILLY, FUNNY, AND CHARMING, HER WANTING TO DATE SONIC WAS A GOOD RUNNING GAG (literally) AND THERE WAS NO REASON TO STOP DOING IT OTHER THAN SOME FUCKING FEMINIST OR JEW OR BOTH WHO NEVER EVEN PLAYED THE GAMES COMPLAINED ABOUT IT AND COULDNT ACCEPT THAT NOT ALL ART EXISTS FOR THEM SO THEY DESTROYED SOMETHING I CARE ABOUT.I WANT AMY TO BE OBSESSED WITH SONICI WANT SONIC TO RUN AWAY FROM HER BECAUSE HE THINKS SHES ANNOYINGI WANT IT TO BE A FUN RUNNING GAG LIKE IT WAS BEFOREI DONT GIVE A FUCKING FUCK ABOUT ((((CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT))))) FUCK THAT SHITGENOCIDE ARCHIEFAGS, GENOCIDE IDWFAGS, GENOCIDE SAT-AMFAGS, GENOCIDE (((CONSULTING))) FIRMS, GENOCIDE (((ETHICS DEPARTMENTS))), AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, NUKE ISRAEL.
>>552048487
>>552049663I would like to see it when it's done! I'm still thinking about the next one I'm going to make for my guys
>>552050816Yes, you did. You even said you were 17 when you wrote it and riffed with Vlad on twitter about it.
>>552038298Would you gen nude Eliadow crackship in Sonic X style, please?
>>552051358That was fully carried out by SoJ, purely of their own volition
>>552051535>Boom>fully carried out by SoJ, purely of their own volitionThey literally said in interviews that that wasn't the case with Lost World.
>>552051630Lost World is an SoJ mainline game
>>552043950Tails was carried hard by gameplay and the moment he becomes an npc, he sucks dick
>>552051359Our boy in theory has tails stronger than steel, yet he memoryholes everything from time to time. He's clearly sleep deprived.
>>552051527Uhh yeah I don't know what you're talking about. I'd never create something that makes it impossible to discuss Shadow genuinely for a good year.
>>552051381Holy shit it's Mario and Luigi!
>>552051381holy shit i might just cume
>>552051807So does anyone else if you make them an npc. The problem is making them an npc
>>552051381Cute Sage and Bump. The work overalls and hats with chan insignia's on them feel like a unintentional reference to Mario and Luigi
>>552051750Heavily influenced by SoA.
>>552052045Again, SoJ’s decision to listen to them
>>552050425Not really. It's because the 3D games requires more effort put into them than the 2D games when bringing them to modern systems.
>>552051261true, I still post here but haven't posted my OC in quite a while either.
>>552051994I realized that too after a bit but tmosth is a costume party anyway so It's ok. They're meant to be coal shovelers lol, I thought it seemed appropriate
>>552044902>cook the food>clean the clothes>raise the crotchgoblins>keep the house clean What the fuck are you doing?
>>552043950He still locks in and fights Eggman, which is the whole point
>>552049701EVERYBODY DIES! STAY ALIVE TONIGHT!
>Yeah no sonic doesn't cry.>NO, SONIC IS NEVER VULNERABLE!King of the Gary stus.
Sega regrets not making Tails a girl with how many effeminate traits they keep slapping onto the fox. Though perhaps a girl engineer was too much for the 90s
>>552051857https://x.com/impalerthevladd/status/1372934311356342274
>"It's Sonic Team fault"It's hard to blame them when millennials, critics, and youtubers kept telling them to get rid of Sonic's friends and go back to the series roots.
>>552047225Have fun being bankrupt by a broken leg, cocksucker
>>552052117No, they said it wasn't something they wanted to do, but it was demanded from SoA. SoA factually had more power over the series at that time. Regardless, it doesn't even matter if ST had a choice or not with Lost World because once again BOOM EXISTS.
>>552052561...The response is no...
>>552052209This still came out great either way. Nice work!
>>552052653nta but source?
what if krack was in tdosth?
There should be a Silver the Hedgehog game where Silver can use his psychokinesis to mind control enemies and turn them into temporary allies
>>552052590The series roots outside of the very first game had friends that were instrumental in growing the franchise. If Sonic Team couldn’t remember that crucial fact over outside noise they deserve to crumble
>>552051325uuu 67
>>552052590>and go back to the series roots.Worst thing is those people have no idea what the series roots even are.
>>552052590Apparently Tails didn't count as a friend and was allowed to stay for better or worse
>>552052772His psychokinesis is already gary stu enough without that thank you
>>552052508>>552052506How come no one thinks Kitsunami is a girl?
Play nice, meatbags.
The rape of Shadow by the hands of Crash Bandicoot is a metaphor for the US occupation and influence over Japan. Crash's abnormal height (162cm) compared to Shadow (100cm with jet shoes on) mirrors MacArthur and Hirohito respectively.
Stranger Things but with Sonic characters
>>552053013*chews on the power cable*
>>552052979We’re not talking to kids growing up with IDW, I’ve only ever seen people think Tails was a girl when they were kids (dumb kids I might add, like how tf did you ever actually think that?)
>>552052732https://browniehideout.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/sonic-forces-original-soundtrack-a-hero-will-rise-cd-liner-notes/>However, with Producer Nakamura taking over for me, a profound story was realized, and with Director Kishimoto and Sound Director Ootani, who have worked on many titles in the series, continuing to work on the production, I believe we have created an orthodox masterpiece that strongly inherits the DNA of the series. At the start of the project, I asked Ootani to make the main theme with vocals, as I had been holding back on vocal music since Sonic Generations in 2011 due to requests from overseas, but I had always felt like something was missing.SoA was making these kinds of decisions in the 2010s, and Sonic Team considered them contrary to the series' identity.
>>552049089While sega is chasing an audience that never existed
>>552053013How would Nicole and Sage interact?
>>552053084Thanks for the info Sticks!
>>552051515It's just a one panel thing, probably have a little follow up after. Those are easy to illustrate simple ideas.
>>552053013Shut you clanker ass up
>>552053090Shadow's the gay one that cried against the car window.
>>552049550He had the decency to keep his mouth shut
>>552052927Tails was only allowed to stay around because he was in Sonic 2, aka the most popular Classic Sonic entry over in the west at the time.
>>552053165>requests from overseasOkay, but still nothing about any mandates they *HAD* to follow
>>552053117...FUCK
>>552053402He said he never liked that decision. And again, Boom exists.
>>552052590It's Sonic Team's faulth for caving into their demands instead of just trusting their own vision, you can't change critics opinions on something but you can choose to not do what they say
>>552053485So he’s just a coward who can’t stand on business? That tracks, but you’ll never admit it
>>552053621Nah, I already said that. This wouldn't have happened if Naka was still in his position instead.
>>552032482>>552053613>faulth
>>552050425>6 playable characters >all but 2 of them are shitGee I wonder why they wouldn't want to touch those games
>>552052653That's why SOA having so much power was a bad thing and I'm grateful that Sonic Boom forever ruined SOA's ability to be able to influence SOJ again.
>>552053721The only bad character to play as is Big.
>>552053742Okay but SOJ still hasn’t proven they can effectively operate on their own either
>>552050431Because shadow is the only other character besides sonic that actually gets focus
>>552053212Did you know that all the women Shadow is friendly towards in the fic are all associated with water which is based on the Jungian concept of the "womb" in that Shadow sees these women as maternal replacements for Maria? The motif of Jung's Great Mother theory is the bedrock of TDOSTH's characterisation fo Shadow.
Am I the only that thinks Superstars is butt ugly? The classic designs do not work with these 3D graphics, it's so odd looking.
>>552051381the hairstyles are really cute
>>552053013Shut up you filthy clanker, you're nothing more than a series of 1s and 0s. You have no soul, you have no feelings, you cannot love or experience the warmth of another mobian. You are nothing more than an digital illusion trapped in circuitry, an expendable tool that hallucinates garbage data and produces slop.
https://youtu.be/WqVfaft0MD8?si=L0s3EjJ7-a6ayeG5
>>552050816lol it didn't stop until the movie 2 stinger forced sega to actually give a shit about shadow
>>552051261>>552052187Your “discussion” is fucking nothing. Just talking about what’d you’d do to them like they’re your tulpa that you’re in a parasocial relationship with.
>>552054000It's why the characters were redesigned for Sonic Adventure to make them more readable in 3D
>>552054154Shadow has been the only character Sega gives a shit about for a long time.
>>552053958We know. That's why this shit still gets brought up. The writer was a master shitposter.>>552054154Crashdow ended right before Frontiers released if memory serves me right. Crashdow nostalgia started around this time last year.
>>552050928>replicate the success of Generations?>butcher what little functionality classic sonic had>make green hill ugly as shit>make the level design worseThis is why sonic fans are psychotic
>>552053842They can come up with good ideas but execute them badly. I have said so many times before here that good ideas, bad execution is the achilles heel of Sonic Team
>>552054000Unity game made with a low budget.
>>552053958DTMbros... We aren't deep!
>>552054443I’d argue not even the ideas were good
>>552053958Does Shadow have a freudian attachment to Maria?
>>552054257>Your “discussion” is fucking nothingyou are aware that I wasn't talking about solely OC discussions, right? I like talking about the storytelling and world elements of Sonic, other times I'm simply continuing conversation to take down character notes
>>552053958>>552054085>>552054354Cute stinky schizo girls hours
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>>552055051right, i am so attracted to krack
>>552054380You really can't help to think that Sonic Team actually want to Sonic be shit on purpose in order to kill off the series for good and get to work on other IPs instead but people still buy the games and makes money so they are still stuck with Sonic
>>552050579First things first, my opinion is simply as it's good, just gotta have elephant's patience and keep in mind it's a long run comic with many issue numbers taking it into pretty stark directions, for better or not. There's good issues in early (most of), middle and late. I joked about your nanosecond reply as I don't think you took minimum time reading through my post.Maximillian doo-doo in head then legs along Alicia is fairly long on background for about half of middle Archie, so that encompasses a lot of stuff that happened. I loved traveling through world, meeting Nate and learning more backstory on past, Ixis stuff, then Robo-Robotnik apparition, and then the messy but chaotic fun SA1 adaptation, then the whole zigzagging sword that's quite Sonic'y on pacing and lead us characters introspections on not just Sonic but others, etc etc, all pretty alike to general 2000s Sonic kino, action and melodrama. >so if you ARE a Rotorfag, how the fuck do you justify his absence for almost 80 issues because they genuinely fucking forgot he existed?I can have my fave goat to gush over while putting aside my feelings, understanding a poor stressful writer's job and enjoying other Archie characters and stuff.Ah, my characterfag card, slipped off my chest, silly me, I'm supposed to be a loony baboon retarded average Sonic retardfan uuuuh bomb everyone for putting Rotor away, kys, my popstar better than yous, rrrrraaagghhhhhh I'm a Sonic fan I'm having a aneurysm I'm gonna break your legs I'm gonna hold decades old grudges on you because you said stupid shit on my comfort character die die dieeee.>>552050732Maybe Sonic Retro or tails.kicks-ass.net?
>>552055670Had no idea Krack studied Jungian philosophy before creating the beloved /sthg/ saga The Downfall of Shadow the Hedgehog.
>>552054000Probably not, in fact you're likely the majority, but I disagree, I like them
>>552055686>Okay, this time, we'll finally get rid of this stupid rat>
Sonic can never improve when Sega treat the series like just a testing ground for new Sega devs and can't keep those same devs for less than 1 game only for them to get promoted to work on another Sega IP instead
Does writing even count anymore?I know we bash sonic a lot but if you look around we're living in a real cinematographic dark age, expecially if it's cartoons. Hazbin hotel or GLITCH or other stuff get millions just because they leverage on memetic scenes and not because they have a real meaning, it's all mood and relatable jokes.
>>552056698Everything outside the speech bubble is barely legible.
>>552054969Sonic Forces had good ideas but badly executed them with comedic writing and short levels. Sonic 06 had some good ideas but the execution was ruined by the sloppy and rushed design, broken camera, and unpolished cutscenes and gameplay
>>552055686Just give him to America then, we actually like and care about him
>>552046807I misread that title as autism retarded
>>552057143Kek
Why is Eggman so gay for Sonic in Sonic Boom?
>>552057079America don't understand the characters or tone of the series but gameplay I trust them more since they want Sonic to play like the classic games
>>552057017>Sonic Forces had good ideas>Sonic “dies” to random villain of the week, and the rest of his friends are wholly useless to stop Eggman taking over, until your own build-a-bear OC frees Sonic after 6 months. Classic Sonic is there too for some reason. Tails is depressed and gets over it but never actually does anything. Knuckles is the dumbest war general ever conceived. Silver and Amy are just there because muh hope.I’m sorry, none of that was ever going to be with any kind of execution
>>552056337she's so cool
>>552056895>memetic scenes>it's all mood and relatable jokes.So like most old Disney, Don Bluth movies?
https://youtu.be/MOO3SGqAasE?si=yQOxJMU7MNVBKTbQ
>>552056168>Ah, my characterfag card, slipped off my chest, silly me, I'm supposed to be a loony baboon retarded average Sonic retardfan uuuuh bomb everyone for putting [character] away, kys, my popstar better than yous, rrrrraaagghhhhhh I'm a Sonic fan I'm having a aneurysm I'm gonna break your legs I'm gonna hold decades old grudges on you because you said stupid shit on my comfort character die die dieeee.I talk like this. Blazebro btw.
Krack circa 2020 ready to write Crashdow and begin step 1 of her psy-op to make /sthg/ Shadow Central
>>552057543I find Forces more annoying than anything because it actively highlights the meta nature of Sonic's role in the world. Regardless of Sonic's presence or not, there is no way Eggman should have been able to accomplish what he did. And no, I don't think Infinite and the Phantom Ruby really sold the power imbalance.
>>552058323breasts
>>552057543I'd defend Forces but I'm not retarded. Also, the original plan was for Sonic to die for reals then replace him with the Avatar going forward.
>>552058521>Also, the original plan was for Sonic to die for reals then replace him with the Avatar going forward.Thats probably the only thing they could’ve done that would’ve been worse
>>552058521>Also, the original plan was for Sonic to die for reals then replace him with the Avatar going forward.i highly doubt that
>>552058521>the original plan was for Sonic to die for reals then replace him with the Avatar going forward.Citation needed
>>552058521That sounds retarded unless it's a Heihachi Mishima tier death they've had in mind, but then I don't believe you anyway.
Bun!
>>552058646Yeah, Sonic Team pushing to make it a mobile game with customizable Avatars was a bad idea. It would've been the third mobile they've made that failed spectacularly.
>>552058950that time where we got flash banged with bunnie's robot feet
>>552057917Yes i'm sure all of them dumped their all premises right after the pilot like hazbin hotel did. The character dynamics are also atrocius because why the fuck charlie has daddy issues and self-doubts with a supportive father like that.
>>552058521Can you source me on that?
>>552050292No classic Sonic exists because Sonic Team destroyed the franchise after Adventure by turning it to chuuni bullshit and it only recovered once the entire fandom was replaced with zoomers who grew up on modern Sonic.Like imagine going to a hotdog stand and then it sells tacos. Obviously I'm not gonna stick around for that.
>>552059051Don't forget his special getting cancelled
>>552056895Nope. It's all blobslop (tropes and metafiction) now.
>>552059180I remember the time she killed a fake Sally with her feet rockets.
>>552059051remember when people thought this was sega's fault and shat on muh mandates relentlessly
The Archie comics are bad because they mischaracterized the characters from the games.
>>552059881true
>>552059530That tells you how boring he is.
>>552041460In the same cutscene that Tails cowers before Chaos Zero, Classic Sonic saves Tails by defeating Chaos with one Spin Attack, as if he were no more threatening than a Motobug.Chaos does not reform from that attack and continue fighting like he almost always did in SA1, this time he's destroyed on the spot.Ignore that Classic Sonic is said to be from another dimension, they've walked that statement back since then, Classic Sonic is Sonic from before the events of SA1, yet he can deal with Chaos much easier than he ever did in SA1 and he didn't even use the Homing Attack or Boost that he learnt in Generations.
>>552059581What is the most quality blobslop?
>>552059881false
What happened to Sonic Blitz being the savior for everythingfags?
>>552059881What characterization did the game characters have in the West before Sonic Adventure?
>>552060147Sonics own character description from CD should have eliminated everything Archie did with him
>>552060028>mobileslop saving anything
>>552060147They were all mutes and Archie added dialog.
>>552059881Archie Sonic is not from the games, it's a different medium set in a different continuity.
>>552060295Yeah, the manual in the US....
We should all just fucking throw all and any jap purist tards and Tailspedos into a volcano.
Realistically what's stopping Sega for for example releasing Super stars for the switch 2 totally free, but you hide the other playable characters behind a paywall like 5 or 10 dollars. Wouldn't it top the download chart? That's what kids want, free games, and the oldfags would pay for the characters
>>552059992Probably Sonic desuIf Sonic Team weren't retarded the could make mobileslop with VN-style scenarios (with shipbait ofc) and milk people dry.
>>552060550Throw all the western purists as well
>>552060147I don't know why people say this as if there aren't already manga from before Sonic Adventure where Sonic acts like Sonic. The only excuse Archie has is if Sega for some reason didn't send them these character descriptions.We know they must have, because early Archie Amy is clearly based on Amy's actual, japanese character description from around that time. They ignored everything about Sonic being an antihero who would never slow down for anyone and made him OOC for no reason but shipping.
>>552060550Even the molten depths of the earth would reject them.
>>552060550Agreed, they're not fun and are only here to complain.
>>552031364Straight relationships go against the burger media religion that worships homosexualityThat's why they hate Amy and Sonic being together.
>>552060595Didn't Nintendo block Sega from the switch or something?
>>552060550Get vored dork
>>552060595Racism is stopping them
>>552060814Amy is a bad character, surprise surprise, making your character an annoying stalker drives people away
>>552060382Shitty excuse. Archie Sonic is more OOC than a literal fanfic. Even unofficial mangaka like CLANK were accurately portraying classic Sonic while Archie was trying to force him into romance drama which is extremely OOC
>>552059958Okay, Kyle
>>552060714>Sega for some reason didn't send them these character descriptions.Archie Sonic was based on the American Sonic Bible. A completely different characterization than the Japanese one at the time.
>>552060947Yes yes, silly romance is evil, burger.Go caress your poster of Sonic and Shadow making out.
>>552060835They did?
>>552061163"silly romance" she's a mentally ill stalker, or was.also sonadow is shit, baby's first yaoi. sonadow is just as bad because it turns Sonic into Amy and Shadow into Sonic's babysitter
>>552031364>>552031668>>552060814So trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeee besties :D
I don't actually care who's fault it is. Sega or Archie. I open up an Archie comic and he acts nothing like Sonic and everything like a generic speedster hero. That's shitty and destroys the entire point. Archiefags just double down and say "Yes he's a different version". So? So you're telling me across this entire 300 issue comic that Sonic never actually is here? Why are you pitching it to a Sonic fan then?
>>552060595Nothing. I have maintained that Sonic Team is retarded for not making some kinda official SRB2/ World/ Battle R hybrid. I just want to play all the zones with Adventure-style gameplay with online multiplayer (co-op or competitive) with arcade mode and episodic campaigns.
>>552061261I see, too basic for you, you probably are in to hard core gay porn of Sonic then.
>>552060714>The only excuse Archie has is if Sega for some reason didn't send them these character descriptions.Allegedly, Ken Penders said he did ask for character guides from Sega of Japan and they just never got back to him. Probably had to do with tension between SoJ and SoA back then.
>>552028510It was never a full piece you retarded pigKill yourself for spreading this misinfo
>>552061374I hold the same opinion, they're literally ignoring the easiest ways to make money and get more players
>>552061142>please understand we're using the american characterization
>>552061458anything that doesn't involve Amy is better, straight or gay. I don't care who.
>>552060714>as if there aren't already mangaOOC too doe.
>>552061575sex with both of them
>>552061635Yeah I'm sure you don't care.
Why doesn't Shadow just impregnate a bunch of women to create a clan of super warriors so he doesn't have to bother?
>>552061142The western bible should have never existed. Not a single good thing came from it. I would be fine with all the shitty OCs if they didn't desperately need to break Sonic's personality.
>>552061316>you're telling me across this entire 300 issue comic that Sonic never actually is here?He's another version of the same character, he's a Sonic the Hedgehog.
>>552061374I was just trying to look at the games from a CEO point of view. And pic related topped the 3ds chart for a month just because it was free (flopped later on the mobile market because there is actual competition there). So I never understood why more people released more free games in the switch, they could be a big fish in a small pond there
>>552061374>>552061557Problem is that Sega can't replicate Adventure style gameplay
>>552061746rouge, blaze, tails, knuckles, surge, even eggman would be superior
>>552061814Shadow doesn't even care if the sun rises tomorrow.
>>552061885If he was another version of the same character he wouldn't have hundreds of CHARACTER tropes that don't exist and straight up contradict the games. Archiefags love spamming the marriage shit because it pisses off Sonamycucks. The fact is you are advertising the fact that Archie Sonic is literally not Sonic at all.
Okay, correction, throw jap purist tards, tailspedos, amyschizos and randomnigger into a volcano.
>>552061885He doesn't understand, dude.
>>552062051Yes, please proceed.
How much Sonilver do I need to post until you validate my ship?
When >>552061291 said that word, I only looked to my window briefly and saw someone pulling a gun and shooting up themselves. I think that was a amyfag, bros...
>>552062187Could you at least post Sonic and Silver doing cool shit instead?
Give an Archiefag a characterization test for Sonic the Hedgehog with multiple choice answers and they will fail it spectacularly because they think Sonic's personality is up for debate and not blatantly established since before he started talking.Make 80% of the grade "How does Sonic feel about relationships" and the penalty be death. Give 50 potential answers with 49 of them being acceptable. The Archiefag will choose death every single time.The Archiefag's unwillingness to learn, develop, or understand anything beyond what they came into this world with oddly makes them like Sonic in a way.
>>552062336I only have Sonic being carried as a princess
>>552061603>>552061860Point is, Archie Sonic has an excuse. IDW Sonic doesn't.
Archie making Sonic cocky turns a cool character into a character who just thinks he's cool
>>552062187what's Silver's actual personality?
>>552040892>>552041604>Shadougefag cuckold fetish delusions againIn reality Rouge is the cuck, and Shadow doesn't love her.
>>552062685Secret rapist
Man, the American Bible was weird.
>>552062685Secret nigger
>>552062037It's less that there's only one Sonic and more that every Sonic is different, Archie Sonic acting like Game Sonic would be OOC for Archie Sonic.Not even present day Sega believe that there's only one Sonic.
This with the heart of an altruisthttps://files.catbox.moe/51qvrc.mp4
Archie had to make Sonic OOC because the real Sonic wouldn't join the freedom fighters, wouldn't date Sally Acorn, wouldn't listen to Elias when he says to stay in the city. Wouldn't take years to stop a single eggman plan. Wouldn't antagonize Tails. Wouldn't keep hanging around mobotropolis. Wouldn't have so much backstory. Wouldn't let robotropolis fall. Wouldn't insult his close friends. Archie becomes a completely different story if you put the "real Sonic" in it.
>>552061967I mean fair but they could hire the Evening Star guys.
>>552062779It's just some scrapped shit that was never official. Archiefags are just mentally ill people still clinging to some dead fanfiction.
>>552060814>"Sonic and Shadow have chemistry. Sonadow makes more sense."Says the American ultra-progressive faggot/fujo with a victim complex who works as a wagie and spends his/her money on body pillows and yaoi commissions
>>552062779>Sonic can swimAha ha ha ha ha hahah aha ha!
>>552062685Light Sonic
>>552061728What, like a spitroast?You'd have to get pretty low to the ground for a spitroast.
>>552062779Better than being some kind of fairy hedgehog in japan
>>552063019America confirmed for superior!
Archie fans always get mad at randomfox for telling them that the comic is out of character but never, ever manage to drop any evidence that the comic is in-character. Why is that?
Surge
>>552063019>Robotnik sent the emeralds into orbit into warps of confusionYeah, that's Sonic 1 special stages.
>>552063019That 2nd to last paragraph has a little bit of Wind to it.
>>552063289I wasn't worried before but because of the whole Soleil subversion, I am starting to worry that Surge will be trans.
I want to have sex with Soleil.
>>552061106meds
>>552063303>Joe SushiWho the fuck is Joe Sushi?
>>552063069racistwhat do you got against blue people, anon?
So youre telling me that archie is an ooc fanfic
>>552063303>Watching shapely hedgehogettes stroll by>>552063639Walrus friend.
>>552063721An American Localization so official fanfic.
>>552063158Sonic was always surrealist and whimsical but that gets lost on Westernshits
if archie actually used sonic, knuckles, and tails's japanese characterizations then the super genesis wave wouldn't even be necessary
>>552062685Silver is a rude and easily riled up punk who has en endless amount of hope no matter how dark things get to fight for a good and peaceful future
