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>Game Website & Download
https://stellasora.global/

>JP Client
https://stellasora.jp/

>Current Content
[12/29-01/19] Limited Recruit - (Aqua) 5* Freesia
[12/29-01/19] Disc Pickup - (Aqua) 5* "Sunlit Blossom"
[12/29-01/19] Cataclysm Survivor - Catastrophe (Element: Ignis, Umbra, Ventus)
[12/29-01/27] BP Skin - Iris
[12/29] The Nova Times - Chapter 07
[12/31 - 01/27] Boss Blitz - Ignis, Ventus, Aqua
[01/13 - 02-02] Limited Recruit - (Umbra) 5* Firenze + (Umbra) 4* Cosette and (Terra) 4* Ridge
[01/13 - 02-02] Disc Pickup - (Umbra) 5* "Wisteria Dream"
[01/13] Main Story Chapter 6 Release - Miracle of a Flicker
[01/13 - 02-02] Shop Skin - Fuyuka
[01/13 - 02-02] Event - Lucky Treasure Shovel
[01/13 - 02-02] Cataclysm Survivor - Catastrophe (Element: Umbra, Ignis, Terra)

>Upcoming Content
[01/27] The Nova Times - Chapter 08
[01/27 - 02/16] Limited Recruit - (Umbra) 5* Misty
[01/27 - 02/16] Disc Pikcup - (Umbra) 5* Witch's Swing
[01/27 - 02/02] Event - Chess Defense Season 2
[01/27 - 02/02] Event - Call for Best Records
[01/31 - 02/28] Boss Blitz (Terra, Lux, Umbra, Ignis)
[Feb - March] BP Skin - Amber

>Database, Buids and Tools
https://stella.ennead.cc/

>Resources and useful links
https://pastebin.com/RXz7Dw7S (Friend list)
https://rentry.org/StellaSoraResources
https://rentry.org/StellaTierLists
https://rentry.org/StellaSoraAscensionGuide

>Codes
SNOWISHFES
2025XMAS
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StellaSora.cs@yo-star.com
Email them with your sneedback, save the game.
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>>554043164
Dear Yostar:

Implement guilds.
Implement Cafe/Dorms
Fix Emblems
Fix Ascensions

Best regards, a faggot from /sora/
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>>554043010
What cinematic? I only remember the one with the giant Stellaroid and Noya throwing him out with Loxy.
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>9 minutes
I ain't gonna listen to all dat
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DEVS NOT LISTENING
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>can't spare 9 mins
gacha players so busy nowadays
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>>554043389
you're a based faggot
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>>554043389
>players dropping the game
>"implement guilds"
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>>554043547
Anyone? I don't think I skipped any cinematic.
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I know what game these shitposts are from, but I won't say :)
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>>554044035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIMJ7Xd_zyk
you did, this plays in the prologue
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>>554043946
Guilds would give you more Stellanites and more Stamina.
I'd say yes, we NEED guilds.
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>>554044138
Ah...
There is a likely situation that I was focusing too much on the subs. I remember all that but can't track to things at the same time.
So, basically the theory goes
>the 3 girls are reincarnation
>Noya is the first Trekker (blondes and similar outfit)
>Iris is the one who betrayed Tyrant (both of them hold a book)
So the question remains about Amber. Is all correct?
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>>554042848
aqua best element
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No......
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>>554045138
Eh, I had multiple people coming back from 5-7 days. When it's 10+, then you know it's owari da.
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>>554045854
If you're offline for more than 4 days I chop you off my Friend list
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>>554043558
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>>554045854
If they ever don't log in for 3 days you know they're not actually playing the game anyway so it's an instant kill
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>>554046053
Renze noooo
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>>554046053
it's always gooks doing those, lmao
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>>554044893
we don't know who amber's past self is yet
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>>554046345
They're so petty.
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>>554045912
>>554046129
I stick with my /sora/ frens until I know they're truly gone, I have enough active players to get 30/30 regardless.
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>>554046501
Guess that will be for later.
My question is why people altered history so much with the first Trekker and Maou
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>>554044893
Iris or Noya built the white room
they're the crafty ones
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According to what I read on a Korean forum, the power of the Firenze minions was heavily nerfed compared to the beta. I don't know what the hell they were thinking.
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>>554047162
>Iris or Noya built the white room
Not gonna ask how since it was probably with the artifacts, just want to ask where is this implied.
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>>554047485
broofs? i need to see numbers
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>>554047580
literally at the start of chapter 4 or 5, don't remember which
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this game is so dead
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>>554047580
I bet Amber created Vita
probably an alter ego of OG Amber
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>>554047485
I'm convinced the minions were originally supposed to follow and attack with Firenze instead of stand in the same place so they nerfed it.
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>>554047749
I try to read those chapters when I get free time, again. Hopefully I don't miss it.
>>554048042
Probably since Amber loved her phone.
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>spend stam to farm the event shop to get useful mats
or
>spend stam to farm emblems to get literally nothing
You wouldn't believe how hard this choice actually is.
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>misty's own disc doesn't work with her minions because they die instantly and new unbuffed ones replace them
UNKEK MINIONS
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>>554048697
Hoards all the mats but dont roll emblems
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>>554048814
keep yelling at support
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>>554048814
wtf fuyu wouldn't do that
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>>554047749
Just managed to rewatch it, from chapter 4, yeah I remember now, specially about decorating the place to their heart's content. I got confused at one part though because I though there were three person but it was the two of them.
Additionally I replayed the first chapter beggining and the mysterious girl (who I think is past Iris/Ayame) dressed differently, and this time I picked the betrayed option. Funnily enough, the first person you see after waking up is Iris. She is probably the one that did the White Room then, not Noya/Seina.
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Firenze is le not bad
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>>554048814
>>554048982
>"Working as intended." :^) -Yostar
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>>554050046
still weaker than f2p terra mark
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>>554050046
That's cool, now post dupes
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>>554048982
We need to send it to jp bros somehow, I don't think they give a fuck about global. This actually could get fixed because we're getting Misty banner and disk in a week+
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>>554048814
>>554048982

How is it possible that the developers, with the development tools at their disposal, don't do something as simple as check that everything works correctly...? Don't they check the damage before making them available to everyone or what? I don't believe they check Fuyuka's crazy damage and said she's perfectly fine, I don't believe they check minions shitty damage and said everything's okay. These aren't bugs or unexpected interactions or anything like that, it doesn't make sense.
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din't know I was in the whining nyaggers general
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>Mistychads scorers were fighting with the training weights on the entire time
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>>554051851
With the way minion multipliers are gutted to hell and back, you can tell this shit was broken at some point in testing and they overcorrected it. Also, you can place the circle far from the enemy and get the buffs because the minions would have to walk all the way tot the boss, but this is anti-synergy with the potentials that require the enemies to be inside the circles.
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>>554048814
but you are supposed to use Misty as vanguard! thats what the disc was designed for, dont use her as support despise that being her intended role!
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>>554053881
Thighs too thick
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Question, is it weird that I want Donna to spend hours sucking my nine inch cock completely dry until it hurts while looking at me like this the entire time
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>>554053936
Based, someone gets it

A lot of Mistique's appeal is her sexy slender physique, giving her thighs on the level of Firenze ruins a lot of her sex value
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>>554054047
Would you quit if she's dogshit?
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>>554054315
yes
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>>554054315
nta but no
>>554054047
I remember saying this, word for word
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>>554054315
My dude, I'm not even leveling any of my supports that have tits or thighs too big for me past the bare minimum of 50 because that's the max level where we'll eventually get free pull tickets from leveling them given the ventus tutorial we got, and the Gerie I have is still at level 1 since she won't get said tutorial freebie bonus as a 5*

Do you think I am playing for meta AT ALL
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>>554054315
Dogshit at sucking? Nah I'd just move to using her tight cunny instead.
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>>554053881
>>554054204
i will be taking any slop i can get man it is a desert devoid of any misty art
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misty belongs in a hospital bed
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>>554054987
shut up Shinji!
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>read upper timeline
>Maou says she doesnt feel like being evil and that if she is the tyrant of old she either really isnt anything like that now or the myths have been incredible distorted and just wants to make a better world if she can

honestly this only made me think on that phrase "the road to hell is paved by good intentions" Maybe past Maou and current Maou are really not that different in personality/motivations, only that one had a dream and the resources to try make it true.
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>>554053724
You're joking, but that disk actually fucking shits on the vanguard Misty hard. It has 2 support skill checks, vanguard Minions don't spam often enough to sustain the stacks, and the mark effect expects perma marks that currently only Misty support can provide. They never wanted anyone to play her in the front, not even as a cope option.
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>>554052197
if they either release a good umbra minion disc that works with support misty, or fix how minions works, Misty could easily become THE meta.
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>>554055663
Maou is only good as a time looping onahole.
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>>554055663
I feel like the flashback with Maou's friend making the White Room as "their personal hideout" has the same energy as two kids making a tree fort. I really think Maou just wanted a better world but was fucking up in the end by causing too much suffering as a side effect which is why they got sealed. I also think Maou was sealed by their friend to protect them from the overall population and not because of Maou themselves.
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>>554051851
maybe this was a quick pump and dump all along..
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>>554056095
I guess right now the biggest mysterie about old Maou is, why did they hate the monoliths? and why do they have a KING piece as their seal of grace? if the grace god is thing, I would imagine something like the king piece being given to someone they choose personally as their earthly representative, or at least, most important servant if we go with the analogie of Maou just being a piece while the god IS the player.
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>>554056928
so far we have only seen white pieces, what if there are black pieces too? either from another god or simple as extras pieces to have the whole set, while the world is the chessboard. Maou little crown hair accesory could be the black king piece, meaning they have both[ and whatever benefits it comes with a seal of grace of that caliber/spoiler]
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Holy, Extended Shift +3 is insane compared to Minion DMG 20%.
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>>554056928
Could be as simple as Maou not liking everything being controlled by the Monoliths/God of Grace. Why is it that people can't build their own phones and devices? Why sacrifice their memories to have to wish for these things?
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>>554054452
whore
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>>554057279
get both and pray devs fix minions
otherwise it's a brick of an emblem roll
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>>554057279
You never roll for stuff like minion dmg. Pen on 1st, skill/ult on 2nd, pots on 3rd. Lines like minion dmg are just filler to fill the lines that don't have core effects.
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Emblems fucking suck so much, i would have been fine with it if they made you grind a lot for an enhancement that gave you [desired pot bonus +3], [desired attack +3] and it's stats, also PEN needs to be removed / reworked because it's mandatory on literally every dps
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>>554057419
from one part, having a wish granting thing seems quite the blessing and helpful thing, but the memory price and probably the dangers of the monster inside the monoliths create quite the dangerous dependency and indeed, stilffles progress BUT also allow unskilled people to get stuff they otherwise wouldnt. The main trio build a car with a mix of scraps and wishing the main parts, and I doubt they could get the parts on a regular industrial society given how poor they are all the time.
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>>554057419
what if the monoliths are gigantic seal in the world, keeping something worse under control by absorbing its energy to create the wishing boxes and the stellaroid are simple monster born from some leaked energy, either due monoliths slowly falling due lack of maintance over the centuries or actual waste of the process.
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>>554051851
I strongly think the only thing keeping this game afloat is the yostar branding and the story. Everything else ranges from mediocre to terrible and it makes you wonder if they even have any sort of QC or playtesters because a lot of the games issues could have been solved by having someone play the thing before releasing it.
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>>554057719
Oh, are Umbra DMG etc also low priority?
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>>554058457
>the only thing keeping this game afloat is the yostar branding and the story.
fact
Ascension makes me consider quitting this game for good every time I need to build or update a record
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>>554057776
My only real complaint is that you can't block 3 options, only 2, that's absolute garbage.
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>>554057632
what I wonder why are minions so fucked? we have multiple minions characters, and close to release too, multiple disc, specially for umbra to the point I am willing to bet they wanted to make umbra the minion element, so it feels like is a niche they want to develop and no just be there as "fun and quirky way to play" but a lot fo their inherit mechanics dont seem to work? did something went wrong on testing they had to stillborn the mechanic? or lack of quality control
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>>554058758
>what I wonder why are minions so fucked?
Nanoha clones count as minions
Nanoha was OP, above fuyuka charts, on the beta
then she got nerfed to the ground, dragging future minion builds to the grave with her
4* discs also suck because they where stronger on the beta and devs needed to push players to roll for 5* discs
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>>554058642
>Roll a new disc
>Get really excited
>Remember I have to update my record and instantly get depressed

>Roll a new character
>Super happy because it's going to improve my team
>Remember I have to update my record and all the happiness fades
No idea how someone at yostar managed to extract only the unfun chores from roguelike games and miss everything that makes those games fun or good.
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>>554058457
I honestly like the gameplay, but once you clear the main stuff like arena, there is really not much to do, hell I even do some ascension manually sometimes just for the fun of it, but it really becomes repetitive and you are just aiming for big score on boss bltiz most of the time.
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>>554019543
>https://x.com/Tsubaki12145/status/2012193367179108597
nanobros?
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>>554059093
whoever tied ascension to discs, notes AND potentials clearly fucking hates the game and wants the players to quit.
Incredibly frustrating gamblecore mechanic
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>>554059093
that's so easy to fix
just make discs equipable and changeable to records
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>>554059453
fact
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>>554059113
The gameplay has questionable choices though like making your character auto-attack at all times instead of giving the player the opportunity to decide when to attack and when to retreat.
It also feels very watered down for what should have been a ""Hades clone"" since the gameplay got simplified to a very extreme degree and the content got reduced to nothingness so it 'respects your time' but I don't want a videogame to 'respect my time', I want my videogame to have things I can do and entertain me like a videogame should.
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>>554059093
I think I would prefer if the game was more like this
>select the pots you want equipped on a character
>roguelike gameplay where team starts with all equipped pots at level 1 or locked and a mix of battles and exploration allows you activate the pots and level up them
>the records are mostly to level up disc skills
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>>554059571
there's nothing wrong with respecting your time
the problem is that a new patch should come with a week of one-time content to play before you go back to bonsaige mode
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>>554059735
>the problem is that a new patch should come with a week of one-time content to play before you go back to bonsaige mode
That's what I was trying to say, yeah. There's nothing wrong with the content ending but I want my games to have content in the first place.
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>>554059571
well in that regards, what I can tell you is, just go play hades actually, this is a gacha and given the whole nature of "daily grind/log in" and rolling for characters and having to develop them constantly, some simplification and respecting times will happen since is part of the game/bussiness model.

Dont take this as shitting on your opinion I totally understand, I too want a nice game to play but you kind have to deal with the reality of live service gacha model game over a offline singler player game.
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>>554059453
Most of the issues this game have are extremely easy to fix, yostar just doesn't give a fuck.

You could let records be per character instead of per team and suddenly making records is infinitely more player friendly for the example of ascension. And the content issue could be solved by, you know, adding more content? Or expanding ascension so it's actually fun to play and something players want to do instead of that mode everyone dreads touching.
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>>554060015
>well in that regards, what I can tell you is, just go play hades actually
But I did, I finished Hades I and II.
I wanted a hadeslike clone with cute girls but all I got is a game that basically only exists for the story and lore since the gameplay was clearly an afterthought with how many bugs, problems and errors always come up regarding it.
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Never played Hades because it looks ugly as fuck, but for the sake of taking references i will give a try.
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>>554060695
It is indeed ugly as fuck and II doubles down on the diversity bullshit that the western world is poisoned with. If it bothers you so much then you can download mods that fix that I guess but the game itself is a pretty fun action roguelike game and has tons of content you can play. Easily 100+ hours for sure.
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I'm so bored lately that I downloaded where chinks meet
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>>554056928
>>554057419
Remind me each effect of the pieces. I know bishop is the mental memory thing.
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I wish there was at least a build tryout mode, so I could actually try if the thing I theory crafted even works before I have to autism a record good enough to actually try it for real.
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>>554062674
>the girl I like doesn't have Fuyuka's numbers
>that's it, I'm not gonna play anymore
Japs are such tantrum throwing niggers
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>>554062908
he's not wrong though
there's a million games out there, why would you want to suffer on the one game that doesn't appeal to you when you could go look for one that does?
weirder to stick to a game that doesn't appeal to you out of some twisted brand loyalty that puts the company's interests before your own
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>>554062908
>release the first vanguard for that element
>iworse than nanoha
A yostar warrior wouldn't get it.
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>>554063298
>>554063285
People should come to terms that not all units are gonna just be better than the previous one, that's not how gacha works. It's true that Firenze should've been better, given it's the first Umbra Vanguard, but expecting her to deal Fuyuka's numbers is a fool's errand. No gacha does that. Sometimes you get a game breaking unit, and sometimes you get a dood. As someone whose favourites in other gachas are trash when it comes to meta, I'm used to it.
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>>554063285
>weirder to stick to a game that doesn't appeal to you out of some twisted brand loyalty that puts the company's interests before your own
Occasional reminder that companies won.
You will own nothing and love it.
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>>554063564
>You own nothing and love it.
that's been the definition of gacha games since day one
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>>554063298
>worse than Nanoha
I like Nanoha and know that's not true. Even without Misty Firenze can score decently in BB but taking Nazuka away from Nanoha suddenly she struggles to score 50K even with the absolute best team.
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>>554063531
Not everyone wants to be used to their favorites being trash though. If a game stops being fun then you stop playing it, it's a very simple mentality.
Being used to your favorites being dogshit then proceeding to defend the game and shit on those who aren't happy or satisfied with their own favorites being dogshit is frankly mind boggling and just all around stupid.
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>>554063809
Hey, I'm not defending it, you guys are more than welcome to send a thousand feedback forms to Yostar to "fix" Firenze, I can't nor I will stop you guys from doing that.
If you (or anyone else) love Firenze, then you were gonna pull for her regardless of performance. Metakeks can go kill themselves.
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>>554063809
gachafags are just used to being fucked over and think they're gigachads for spending both money and time on characters that are absolute trash
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>>554061510
reading japs online made realize how goycattled they have become
most japs are juggling multiple gacha these days, it's so common for them to talk about upwards of +5 gacha in their schedule, how they are lucky in some, how they drop others, and how they pick up new ones again
if you think about it, all the gacha games want a piece of the pie so japan has become so bombarded with advertisement and fomo that a lot of japs just became the exact consumer zoombies these companies wanted and will jump from product to product
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Anyone have an ascension guide?
I've basically just been winging all my decisions but I feel like there's a lot I'm probably not considering.
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>>554063631
imagine the first diehard gachafag just to have their game EOS
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>>554063564
>>554063631
I still firmly believe that some madman is gonna form a company with the sole intention of making all dead gachas alive. It can happen, is just a matter of when.
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>>554064203
>sub 50k
wyell...
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>>554064384
the funny thing is that a gacha as a model wants you to stick around as much as you can instead of jumping to another game, the jumping to another product, thats mostly at big corp macro level desire.
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>>554064384
>how dare you swap from game to game
>you should stick to dogshit games and support the companies while defending them
>your character is bad?? don't be a metafag and whale for them!!!!
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>>554062908
Some of you really don't understand how easy it is for someone to drop a game over something simple. There was one game I played for a few years. One patch, they made the mode I liked the most less fun with a new mechanic, and I just dropped it an a few weeks. That was enough to kill the spark for me.
That's why, when working on a new game, you need to nail your starting content to not kill the spark. What happened to Firenze is a complete blunder. It was one of the most awaited characters that we are getting early, a supposed cornerstone of one of the elements some people wanted to play, and she's this fucking underwhelming pile of nothing with her core mechanic being fucked in 10 different ways. With the devs knowing about the mechanic being fucked before and doing nothing about it until her release. That's bad. You don't do that.
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>>554064664
these are not mutually exclusive
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>>554064427
the problem that would requiere going around buying IPs, and if a company doesnt want to sell, for whatever retarded reason, they are nips they get pissy about "respect" and "boundaries", that company wont go far.
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>>554064384
Yeah. You can also apply that to a majority of gacha players on 4chan.
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>>554064714
>Some of you really don't understand how easy it is for someone to drop a game over something simple.
It's more that gacha communities have been poisoned with the mentality that complaining is bad, being a metafag is bad and wanting your characters to be good or wanting to optimize things is bad.
Tribalism and modern gacha mentality is all about herd mentality, making a game your entire personality and defending it from other rival gachas.
You're supposed to stick to it for several years like a true fan instead of dropping it when you no longer enjoy it because only tourists do that. So players bury their own feelings and accept getting fucked over as the normal state of things while bragging about how they're still using their favorites even though the game made them unusably shit like that makes them gigachads worthy of praise.
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>>554064664
dropping a gacha for a reason is one thing
playing 5 games because your life knows no better and is easily manipulated because you always want to be part of that thing just to drop it at the slightest discomfort and repeat the vicious cycle without commitment is just sad
you never liked that game if that's true you just wanted to consume
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>on my break from wagieing
>firenze asks to eat my lunch
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>>554064819
If there is a will there is a way. I only hope I would see the crazy stuff that could happen.
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>Complain about not getting any loli characters or cute teen characters
>Get called a tourist and a dozen racial slurs
>Firenze ends up bad
>Suddenly the world is ending and yostar has to address this massive blunder immediately
I guess it has to happen to something you care about for people to actually care, huh?
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>>554065251
Or maybe people stick with games because they see appeal others don't, that's perfectly reasonable, people put up with the bad parts of their respective games because some other element bring them enjoyment, and high rate of consumption of different products in quick succession is correlated with inability of long term thinking.
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>>554065368
Just throw a lemon at her.
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>>554065251
>that complaining is bad
PEOPLE COMPLAING ALL THE TIME!

>being a metafag is bad and wanting your characters to be good or wanting to optimize things is bad.

happens in all games to be honest, is not a gacha exclusive thing, but in any case is mostly withing waifufags and people that focus more on gameplay.
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Rank you top 3 hottest Trekker /sora/ bros.
For me it's
1) Firenze
2) Shia
3) Noya.
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>>554065640
The niggers trying to convince people to quit are mentally ill and so are you.
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>>554065640
The only thing you do is shitpost and start fights with everyone that doesn't agree with you while attacking anyone that dares to like hags or jk, but you close your eyes at all of those anons that are waiting for the anticipated hebes like donna or firefly
You're a neurotic, egotistic spergy fuck and you deserve to be shit on for pretending only the things you want should matter for everyone.
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>>554066140
1) Donna
2) Iris
3) Nanoha
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>>554065729
So the ideal gacha player should stick to one game and not shop around for alternatives or try different things? God forbid they find something that brings them more fun and enjoyment right?
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>>554066140
1) Laru both versions
2) Firenze
3) Amber
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Both Firen and Fuyuka are using skill build
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>>554065640
kek you sure got the trannies seething with this one
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>>554066487
NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND FIRENZE IS BAD
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>>554066280
Hey it's my favorite /vmg/ schizo. Are you still shitting your panties over BA you autistic fuck?
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>>554066280
says the autistic fuck that goes ballistic over a post mentioning wanting more lolis
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>>554066714
>seethe about ba when using a ba webm
are you ok?
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>>554067064
Oh right, I forgot you love pretending to be a BA player. Made any autistic post compilations lately? How's life for /vmg/ subhumans these days anyway?
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Thread only ever goes nuclear when the BA/trickkek can't shut up about lolis and how everything not named Ann is a hag,, otherwise it's peaceful, really makes you think.
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>>554065640
I complain about both desu
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>entire discussion how the game is circling the drain
>everyone arguing their points in a civil manner
>anon mentions lolis once
>AIEEEEEE ITS THE EVIL TRICKCAL/BAKEK HERE TO SHIT UP THE THREAD AND START FIGHTS
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>>554066140
XLaru
Laru
Tilia
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we remeber your shitposts though ba bro how ba invented moe anime and yada yada
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>>554067576
you know the antilolifags are the usual suspects IRL
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>>554067576
The funniest thing is that he doesn't notice he himself is the problem and worse than everything he whines about but I wouldn't expect some gigaschizo like that to calmly analyze a situation or else he wouldn't be a gigaschizo

>>554067491
Yeah, it's shit when your favorite is trash.
Loli, hag, teen, whatever. It's such a garbage feeling when the character you've been looking forward for months ends up trash and really takes the wind out of your sails. Firenze deserved a lot better, especially since she's the first umbra vanguard in the game.
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>>554067576
You posted this first though >>554065640
Don't act surprised when /sora/ rightfully shits on you
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>>554067791
Yeah it did and Stella Sora copied it! :^)
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>>554067840
its like the mention of loli activates some sleeper chip in this guy that makes him sperg out endlessly
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>>554048982
>buff firenze atk
>minions don't get stronger
minions shouldn't need to be present when a buff occurc from these descriptions. main trekker atk% buffs should affect minions because firenze atk gets higher. the misty description might have made sound like it took from her "base atk" due to the hp line before but there's literally no excuse now.
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>>554068435
devs can be sued over that skill due to false advertisement. Korean devs do, idk China
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Firenze has some of the coolest looking attacks but they don't do anything
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>>554068435
Minions getting ATK on spawn also has upsides you know. I think it's fine.
Firenze's issue is that almost all of her potentials give really bad buffs, so you are better off getting shit of other chars. And apparently her energy gain sucks ass.
That and there's no way to hybrid either, so there aren't even many potentials worth taking period.

Her multipliers aren't bad, even though once more the minion build seems way worse than the minion build. But both of this can be fixed via later characters.
Pumping everything into Firenze is currently simply not worth it, but people made her work just fine once you understand what you need to do.
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>>554069479
Minions don't get attack on spawn. They get their attack value on entering the fucking battle. From there, only minion including effects can buff them.
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>>554069329
just coonsoom and don't complain chud
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>>554069974
This, true chads drop thousands on dollars to support the company even if the character is shit to show their appreciation and give thanks for such a wonderul game.
Metakeks can go kill themselves
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>>554069329
Tried a skill build instead. I'm just not seeing it, bros. She seems like a "have emblems or suck" character
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>>554070620
Is your Fuyuka team emblemless though?
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>>554064447
these... are still alright numbers, right?
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>>554071063
lol
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>>554070876
I don't have great emblems on any of my teams but Fuyuka's are probably the best. I don't even need this team to do Fuyuka numbers, I need it to do at least Nazuka numbers so I can put Fuyuka on the other boss. Nazuka's at 76k and that's with no +skill, no +pot, no pen emblems. I got +3 main skill on Firenze and its still not doing much
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>>554071063
50k active players on your most popular server is like, kind of bad?
For reference, BA peaks at 550k active players on JP during hype banners/events and maintains a 200~250k population of active players during dead sleeper patches.
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>>554070620
Have umbra pen on emblem 1 and 2 atleast. Doesn't have to be rainbow. Gold and blue ones will do. It could also possibly a record issue.
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>>554071472
BA is a country wide phenomenon, you think AL or AK pull these kind of numbers on JP too?
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>>554071472
>loses to AL
kek
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>>554071503
>just get pen bro
That's the answer to everything an extremely unhelpful. We all know the rng equipment boosts your score
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>>554071562
AL doesn't pull any numbers at all, lmao.
Why do you think they went full Brown Dust 2 the last few years?
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>>554071562
AK? Yes, absolutely. You underestimate how popular AK is in China which would be their main server. Endfield is going to be fucking massive.
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>>554070620
There's simply no beating fuyuka, but to not even score 50k is definitely not good
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>>554071562
>Fornite is a country wide phenomenon, you think BA or AK pull these kind of numbers on NA too?
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>>554071727
AL is infinitely older and was doing the coom long before cuck dust even existed, what are you on? It's infinitely more relevant and popular than it too with how the devs of it took all their AL money and made Azur Promilia.
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>>554071661
That's basically the answer to everything, yes. Copy a good build, have pen emblems then get easy 100k.
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So did Firen cleared arena 20 at least? even with bugged potential WIFEZUKA cleared that with ease
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>>554071472
BB is weird for some reason. I do my regular runs and I get on the top 10% on the leaderboard. But when it's during raids, I sweat my ass off and yet I'm still faraway from getting plat.
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>>554072234
I missed the umbra arena opening. I have to wait until tomorrow
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>>554072251
Just the difference between getting top 10% in a tryhard server/game vs getting top 10% in a casual game.
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>>554071879
yes, it doesn't disprove my point, comparing SS BB to BA TA is dishonest when not even AL or AK are on the same league as BA in terms of popularity.
>>554071757
AK is only massively popular in china
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>>554072434
China, Japan and Korea are the ones that pay the bills so that's where you want to be big anyway.
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this game is so dead
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>>554072013
He's right though. As someone who played it in the past, it was never as much desperate over the top sex lmao as it is in the recent years. It was just a game with sexo girls and somewhat risque skins, not
>bro lmao sex SEEEEEEEX AHHHHHHHHH SEEEEEEEX
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>>554072747
it was tho? sounds like you never played or visited any AL thread during its early years
>bro lmao sex SEEEEEEEX AHHHHHHHHH SEEEEEEEX
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so what's firenze's build im confused and scared
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I play AL and i appreacite the unfiltered coom, but i don't mind tamer fanservice, that's why i picked up SS, if the characters are cute or sexy or charming on their own that's enough for me.
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>>554072747
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>>554072902
Double Rainbow PEN into Fully Duped unit.
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>>554072901
Bro, the guy I replied to won't get your joke
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>>554072930 (Me)
I also need an essex edit over firenze's l2d
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AL was -THE- coom game before all the other games existed. GFL was tacticool shit while AL's entire existence was surviving on coom, the threads were porn dumps and the discussions were just autistic porn arguments or character wars.
Saying "it was never about the sex!" is retarded when AL never had anything that wasn't selling just sex.
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Why do lolitards seethe so hard when something doesn't pander to them?
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arimaset
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nanohaset
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>>554073496
can you come back later and have the tranny melty in a few hours? we're posting funny AL memes right now
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based essexposters
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>>554073263
Brother, you don't fucking understand. Old AL lewdness was like slightly above stella sora tier, with a few outliers. Modern AL is turbo over the top coomer. It's aesthetically two different games.
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>Nazuka Lv25 excerpt is her day-to-day patrol
Boring
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>>554073876
>Old AL lewdness was like slightly above stella sora tier
meanwhile there's albacore riding a torpedo wearing an OPEN microbikini
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>>554073951
Boring girl is boring. Shocking!
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>>554073634
Answer the question, lolipedotranny.
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>>554043010
the ears are clearly different
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>>554073876
I mean, you aren't wrong but the overrall of coom ceiling across the market was also much lower that's why it was still deemed THE coom gacha
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2018 skin btw
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>>554074016
Exceptions to the rule, modern AL skins blow albacore out of the water.
>>554074216
this is very tame, even BA has swimsuits like this, just pull up one of the recent AL event L2D
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>>554074169
It's still THE coom gacha. If you aren't playing DMM porn games for the R18 H-scenes then AL is the game on everyone's lists because they're always pushing the bit while actually getting art, porn and doujins.
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>still 2 days until hard mode unlock
I NEED THE CASH PLEASE GOD
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>reran my Nazuker after the bug fix
>+20k score
Yeah Firenze isn't going to touch this lmao
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>>554074365
>just pull up one of the recent AL event L2D
Well no shit, of course they have to be constantly upping their game. They can't stay in a rut releasing the same character ten times so of course the horny game would progressively get hornier as time goes on.
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>>554074552
I think BD2 has surpassed it, AL never had outright tentacle porn skins or skins where you visibly grope the bote
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>>554074785
aight, call me when cuck dust gets any sort of art or doujins. I'll try to stay alive for how many decades that takes.
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E A S Y
A
S
Y
Just roll it lol.
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>>554074717
And the same thing will happen with SS assuming it lives as long.
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>BB rank in the 500s with Fuyuka and Nazuka
No, I don't think I need to roll the lemon scented brick
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I just hate how in modern AL, almost every new ship has gigantic tits. Just look at the upcoming pasta BB. My favorite character is Helena. I wish there were more small/medium sized boats. Not to mention the death of lolis and good skins for them. There is a stark difference in quality of the skins from the last event between the tits-havers and tits-have-nots.
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>>554075180
i thought that new pasta BB was FdG at a glance lol lmao even
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>>554075180
>I just hate how in modern AL, almost every new ship has gigantic tits.
It's worse in BD2 by the way, the developers and community loathe any character that could be perceived as underage and nearly every dev stream is a meltdown about it. Hell, last stream they nearly censored every character while blaming it on the loli characters instead of blaming it on the $80 porn animation costumes.
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>>554074785
al started +12 just a few months ago increased to +17 +18 shart dust was started +18 wasn't it?
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>>554074987
Yeah, it's only natural. A game can't go full throttle day1 because they're expected for newer releases to push the bit and be better than the previous releases.
If your day1 character is an overpowered slut wearing a bikini then where the fuck do you go from there? You've placed the bar too high to begin with and now you're in a hole of your own making. Better to be conservative with launch characters then progressively raise the bar which is actually doable and leaves room to grow.
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I still can't believe Roon is Nanoha, sato sato really has insane range.
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paying $80 to watch an animation of your favorite character getting brutally raped by tentacles but you can't actually watch it happen because the camera can't show it is honestly kind of wild
its like getting roped in by an onlyfans model selling you "exclusive content" but there's no model and you don't even get to keep the video or save it on your PC
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>>554075954
isn't porn just voyerism in general?
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>>554075954
It's free.
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>>554075626
Nanoha would never harm me.
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>>554073578
*smooch*

No one to smack... I feel empty
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You can accurately tell when AL went full coom by the release date of Bache.
Stella Sora
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>>554076174
Yeah but in porn you can actually see the dirty deed happening. BD2 prestige skins are these really expensive paid costumes that come with softcore porn or teases because they can't actually show the actual fucking while they remain in the playstore.
If I was at the point where I wanted to do shit like this then I'd just go play an actual porn game instead and get h-scenes included for free with every character.
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Go ahead then
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>>554076643
*smack smack smack*
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>>554073574
Wait, I missed this guy because he used a dialogue screenshot
*SMACK*
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>>554076643
*smack*
This is for making her premium wallpaper too sexy, John Yostar got me again for another month
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>>554076290
that one is free because the game nearly eos'd with how huge the backlash was over the devs wanting to censor their game but the other prestige skins aren't
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>>554077119
>Don't want to reward yoshart with the 2D skin BS
>Love the februrary Kohaku skin
>they could at some point give all the BP skins 3d models like how they upped the monthly
the worst fucking feeling i tell you
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How are we looking? 80 emblem feeling kinda weak still, and i could probably get a better main potential for 90.
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>>554077501
Set it as your PC wallpaper instead and give john yostar the finger
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chaton mentioned!!!
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>>554077545
shut up retard
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>>554077545
die
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>>554055820
God I hope so, I got 4 copies of Misty...
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>>554077545
What a waste imagine all of that on a good character instead of a brick
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Current savings report, /sora/? Who are (You) saving for? I'm waiting for Firefly.
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I hate emblem rerolling, do it easier Yostar.
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>>554078298
180 rolls with everyone on board, i will see if i roll for Coronis, most likely will, or depending who gets datamined/foreshadowed after
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>>554078298
150 rolls.
Wraith since I skipped Nazuka.
Aeloria.
Also the next lux Support alt or Tilia alt they released
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>>554078298
Aeloria. She's going to be the first five star Support so unless Yostar intentionally fucks with her kit to make her bad she'll be a guaranteed meta unit.
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>>554081009
yea like how firenze was going to be guaranteed meta right
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>>554081068
The difference is she's a support. Flora, Tilia, Ann, and Cosette are all solid supports and a requirement for their specific elements and even have uses beyond them. Why would Aeloria not be?
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>>554081068
Realistically it's a lot harder to fuck up support kits especially when there's no real competition for Umbra. They can just copy paste Flora's kit and make it have even release 5* numbers and she will be BiS
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>>554078298
I have 380 rolls and am hoping for Firefly or Donna but unfortunately my motivation's been steadily declining lately. Really need to see ascension or emblem improvements soon, or at least a timeline.
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>They can just copy paste Flora's kit and make it have even release 5* numbers and you'll be happy
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>>554078298
went all in on XLaru's disc so I have barely 7k Stellanites, but in contrast I have around 80 tickets.
We gucci.
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>>554082036
at this point I dont think i'd be even happy with either honestly because whats the point of getting firefly and have her be doa due having to compete with shia or get donna but it's back to characters I dont care about for months right after her banner
I need yostar to give me substantial changes or show that they give a shit about the game instead of just cruising
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>https://x.com/StellaSoraEN/status/2006304331407003720
what was that about?
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>>554084081
What is? Did you expect them to rework it in 2 weeks after the announcement?
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How long before a new character is released do they announce/preview them?
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>>554084081
The letter? If you bother to read it then it's just corpo speech. They make it seem like they're saying a lot but they promise nothing, say nothing and keep everything open ended so it sounds like they're listening but it's just corporate speech to dodge responsability.
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>>554084465
The last friday before the current unit is going away I think
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Do the minions also use the base attack boost from the discs? If so, they'll hit much harder with the discs at level 90? I also have another question: does the emblem that gives ATK% also apply to the discs?
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>>554084081
>ascension and emblems improvements
i don't expect these to happen to some degree until at least the next streamed update news
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i need to see misty in a nightgown
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>>554085445
same
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people really malding over this bonsaige that you mostly play for less than a minute to do dailies then log out? go sweat somewhere else
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>>554084391
Yes? Literally any other game would do it in 2 weeks.
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>>554085951
Everyone knows bonsaige are where the sweatiest of tryhards congregate.
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>>554054752
I too have resorted to making misty slop
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Based Yostar punishing impulsive gachabrains rolling without a sliver of hesitation.
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Hello, I started a few days ago. One of the first things I noticed is that it's going to be really expensive to raise characters in the game. Right now, I'm still new so I still get free stuff but how is it going forward. It seems like I really have to be picky with characters.

Can anyone show me a typical roster of an endgame player?
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>>554073578
pat pat

>>554078298
Wraith, Aeloria and probably Firefly since there probably a gap between all of them
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>>554089974
your vanguards should be the one eating the resources, levels, skills ups, emblems
supports don't enter the battlefield so their HP is pointless, as long as their skills give your vanguard the bonuses it needs, only a few support want their skills leveled but in most cases it's not necessary
just focus on streghtening your best party and try to clear the event stages, clearing the event shop gives you a lot of resources for a better stamina conversion ratio
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>>554089974
You want to have a bunch of lvl 70 to send to commisions, there is a lot of resource income to level up trekkers there also focus stamina on events when they are up and try to clear the shop also don't forget the tyrant growth missions.
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>>554082036
>>554083612
I'm still enjoying the game myself but I'm really casual and don't give a shit about optimizing for rankings. I hope they make adjustments to Ascension sooner than later since it's the main game mode I enjoy.
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>>554091103
ascension enjoyers exist? are you into cock and ball torture too?
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>>554089974
>Can anyone show me a typical roster of an endgame player?
I've bought the subscriptions and battle passes, so someone that hasn't would be worse off than this.
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>>554092442
if the team is on the easier side to build and doesn't need that many core pots, it can be fun to do a few runs
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Is this ok or do I have to change/remove anything?
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>>554092442
I'm a dungeon crawling autist and find Ascension to be fun as a quick bite-sized roguelike that I can play for 20-40 minutes when I feel like mashing buttons and see what Potentials I'll end up with.
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>>554093646
So true! There's so many buttons to mash like the auto button, the move button and the talk to NPC button!
Ascension really is the peak of roguelikes, there's so many choices and things to do that I could play it for hours and hours!
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>>554094097
how sad of a person do you have to be to piss on what someone enjoys
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>>554042848
>https://rentry.org/StellaTierLists
Are we really gonna keep that when it hasn't been updated since Nazuka?
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>>554095307
I meant to update that long ago but I know fuck all about how Rentry works. If someone can make a new page and update it every so often I'll add it to the OP
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>>554094954
Don't feed the trolls.
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>>554095516
You made thee rentry but you don't know how it works?
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>>554092753
Mistique needs Twin Born 6 and Cosette needs Void Blessing 6. Remember that Nether Blaze, Place Your Bets, and Dark Hallucination are lower priority over everything else.
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>>554042848
Cute Post Haste and their gay friend!
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>>554066140
Firenze
Coronis
Amber
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>>554096279
Nah, Mistyfag was the one keeping the whole thing together. I MEANT to take over but I've been real busy as of late and I know fuck all about Rentry formating.
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>>554097181
>Gaygi
Fuck off retard
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>>554096489
Anything to replace place your bets with? also the stun of dark hallucination isn't good for staggering bosses or resilence break is different?
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>>554098059
Place Your Bets is really strong. At level 1 it ups her Ult damage by 170% at max stacks which will have a much greater benefit in the long run compared to something like Announcement Time that only gives 15% attack at level 6. Everything else is minion-based for Firenze. In my opinion I think Solar Absorption is much more important to max than all of Mistique's other pots and is something alot of people sleep on for this build.
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If they fixed Nazuka's "Improvement" card after last patch, I think they'll also fix minions synergy with buffs and discs in general. None of Misty's minions benefit from any of the dark discs at all at the moment
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>>554099803
nazuka's was a bug, minion getting fucked by jank code merits a revision, not a bugfix
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>>554098059
what site is this btw
old good site was deleted
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Chester's Flamin' Hot Yuri
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>>554100596
https://noyanoya.vercel.app/
>>554099212
thanks bro
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhzvbelNVcI
chaton?
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>>554101976
That's the Chaton Lilibea event theme iirc
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>>554102753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7w5lB8-qRE
No, that one is linkrel
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castle
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>>554076594
is a shame hentai gacha are fucking trash, even if they copy 1:1 the gameplay of an actual fun non-h gacha, the monetization is soo damn predatory that it sucks all fun. Economy is almost non existent to force you to pay for rolls, developing characters is fucked to make you pay for materials packages, story/lore is always dumb, and stamina is there just to run out and make you buy more because they limit the farming too.
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>>554106164
twinkle star knights is pretty good
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>>554106164
Me playing Kamihime Project and that other DMM tower defense game I forgot the name about... Flower Knight Girl or some shit like that
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we still dont know who is after coronis?
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>>554107010
nyo
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>>554107010
signs point towards lux
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Leaks says Angie is ventus but i think Angie, Albedo and Bastelina are going to be a lux squad
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>>554107010
The real question is who do we get before Coronis? There's no way we won't have someone in between.
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>>554106164
Shangrila Drive was excellent on the porn side but the actual gameplay just didn't make any sense whatsoever. Even jap players could barely understand how it worked. Sad too, the scenes models had so much potential.
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>>554107508
nobody, firenze ends one week before valentines, at worst it will be one dead week
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>>554107508
Misty.
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>>554107508
Misty one week after Freesia
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>>554106164
you play for memes
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>>554107636
>>554107703
>>554108112
>one new character for an entire month
There's no way that can be right...
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>>554108947
It's gonna be the same for February. Only VCoronis
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>>554108947
yes, don't look forward to the memecharts
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>>554108947
more time to save stellanites
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>>554103021
Is this summit show boss music?
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>>554108947
I mean isn't that standard for a game like this? It definitely helps to incentivize saving
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>>554109498
for non AAA production value games no, it isn't, it's good for the players, but not for revenue lol
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>>554109705
imagine even being a tiny bit worried for corpos go fuck yourself
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>>554109705
I mean, the next unit comes during valentine's, so high chance Coronis ends up being an exclusive, which means more people will roll for her
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>>554109974
even if you have zero gems after rolling for firenze, by the end of coronis banner you will have high chances of getting her if you weren't able to amass a full spark already, the entire model right now hinges on that enough people like the character enough to T5 her out of good will and waifufanatism
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>>554106164
Magicami could've been good but it got fucked by the retards at Nutaku and their dumbass localisation / censorship.
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anything but stella sora I thiiiiiiiiink
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>https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/140012223
mistybros...
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>>554112617
the fabled misty lewd
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>>554112617
For me it's Nazuka (improved)
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/139158620
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>>554048814
fuyu tits look kinda sexy here
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Saw the news about all active buffs only affecting minions that were already on the field, not just the ATK buffs.
For discs, this affects Witch's Swing and Those with Ambition, as both have Umbra DMG buffs on cooldowns that will usually miss minions.
Debuffs aren't affected by this problem, so they are even higher priority than before. Cosette support skill, Abyssal Mark, Eclipse Imprint, Dark: Demon Mark, Misty's Solar Absorption, and the BP disc, and both new Firenze discs provide debuffs.
This also makes the skill build even better than it already was. On top of having higher ATK modifiers, roughly 85% of the skill build's damage runs on Firenze's own stats, while roughly 80% of the minion build's damage runs on minion stats.
I'll send my own feedback about the issue, then see what I can get out of a skill damage build with proper main discs.
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>>554108850
>Orisries
The memes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B079kkhxlFM
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WIFErenze my beloved
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The funny thing is, we'll see better scores from Firenze in the future, not just because of the potential support from Aeloria, but also because the minions are based on Firenze’s base attack. This means the higher Firenze’s attack, the more damage the minions will deal. So, the higher you level up the disks, Firenze and minions deal more damage. This applies to anything that boosts attack, like affinity rewards that give % attack and flat attack, character dupes that also give both, and ascension scores like 24 +1500 ATK, 25 +2400 ATK, 31 +3100 ATK. Perhaps an emblem build with 2 or 3 12% ATK, along with other things like broken PEN, could work really well. She won’t be anything like Fuyuka, but she’s definitely not the trash people make her out to be.
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Hags look like this?
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firenze rimming me with green lipstick
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Clothed sex with Firenze until all 30 of her work outfits are permanently stained with bodily fluids
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>>554118170
>30
Firenze only does laundry once a month lol
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Thoughts?
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>>554114071
So, if a minion appears after a buff is applied, the minion doesn't get the buff? That's fucking bullshit, wtf. Not only do specific buffs work, but they also only work for a specific amount of time, in a very short period.
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>>554118535
on what
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>>554118580
Yeah, see >>554048982
The skill build runs on Firenze's own stats and she is always on the field, so most of those problems don't exist for that build.
Misty does a lot more damage if you delay Cosette's support skill until a few seconds after Misty's support skill so more minions are up for the buff.
When Cosette was played as main, this didn't matter because we already knew Twilight Wish needed to stack while minions were on field, and Darkclaw Haunt is a debuff.
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>>554118170
she's efficient
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This is the reason Firenze sucks ass and halved our playerbase, she is whale disc dependant
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look at those milkers
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>>554119989
Stop posting Maygi's retarded bullshit
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>>554119989
You say that like she actually does good damage if she has those discs.
What even is "main slot value" as a metric anyway. Isolating those values like they matter when we get stat buffs in way different amounts isn't helpful at all.
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>>554120470
please look at the numbers and get upset
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>>554120470
>What even is "main slot value"
it means nothing. That retarded vtuber does this shit all the time. There's a reason literally every other game community has kicked them out
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>>554120610
I can just play the game and see the low numbers for myself, which this spreadsheet warrior evidently doesn't do.
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>>554120610
nta but the only big gap in efficiency is every disc at 1C, 60 to 45% of a 5* gacha disc compared to finale, cata and misty's disc just makes the firenze's sig look unreasonably expensive for such little increase
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>>554119989
The Meow... I kneel

"Humble Courage
Increases Umbra Trekkers' Skill and Ultimate DMG dealt to normal targets by 15%.
After the battle begins, for 50 normal targets killed in total, increases Umbra Trekkers' Skill and Ultimate DMG dealt to elite or higher-tier targets by 18%."
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>>554119989
>Main slot value
That isn't a fucking metric
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>>554121072
it's total shite for content that matters
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Darcia sex
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>>554105887
paste...
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>>554122060
how can she do so much physical work and still be fat



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