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Combat Axe good
>Nothing in the lore says custodes can't be femalenothing in the lore says females can't have big breasts>but that's for coomersso are female custodesAnything else? Beware though, I am INTJ. I likely already know your argument
Cadia?More like CACAdia!
The Greater Good?More like the GRATER POO!
>>554207570NTA but how do you enjoy the Mk.III? On the Eviscerator I have Shred + Perfect Strike and it feels like a wet noodle into hordes.
>>554209785>it feels like a wet noodle>No MartyrdomWell there's your problem right there.
>>554209785It just clicks for me. I also use Shred and Perfect strike for it. Light spam kills trash easy, and secures those elite kills for the kill feed hit. Pushattack-heavy if it gets a little crowded. A revved Fury'd heavy as an opener is always a pleaser as it bisects a pile of poxwalkers.
True Grit?More like True Shit!
If lasgun why recoil
From a human perspective, what faction is the worst to fight and die to? Do the rest of the races/factions have races they prefer to fight?
>>554209785do you know your combo, because thats handles everything while you fish for critsalso your build is pretty fragile
>>554216657Probably 'nids? They continually adapt to counteract your strengths and create pathogens/virulent bacteria, besides just the incomprehensibly large swarm of face-eating monsters that make your Psykers even more deranged than usual
>>554216657Dark Eldar are the worst. Because they are explicitly looking to make their victims suffer, or abduct them to make them suffer worse
>>554216414because we expect recoil when we shoot guns and the game needs balancing factors
>>554216657Deldar 100%
>making a female zealot>all the face options are the fugliest shit ever Any mods to fix this?
>>554216414There's no strict canon for it, there are official sources for both recoiling and non-recoiling las.For game purposes it's >>554220897For physics purposes lasweapons may as well be wacky sci-fi space magic and expecting them to behave like real lasers is asking for disappointment.
You guys were right, damnation isn't really that much harder than heresy. Sure some more enemies and they're tankier but more often than not I'm either the lowest true level or second lowest at 70 and everyone sticks together. Matches also seem to be decided in the first 5 minutes if we're going to succeed or not.
>>554221535A head cosmetic with a mask. Female zealot voices are a lot less grating than the males.
>>554223157FOR THE MASTER OF MANKIND!
>>554223157Male Fanatic is based and you're cringe
My scoreboard says you were the worst on the team and I was the second best by a small margin. What now?
So it's been a bit now. Hows hive scum? I'm not often doing havoc and when I do I'll prob just use zealot so I'm more concerned with fun, as long as they're not complete shit.
>>554225367arguably the strongest melee class, strongest blitzes, has the strongest dot and incredibly potent aoe application methods for this dot, one of the strongest auras, prolonged ranged immunity is one of the strongest abilities to have on havoc and infinite ammo also scales incredibly well into havoc since the weps he has are actually good at killing all specials. Mobility so high he never gets corneredDownside? Few safety nets so shitters die and call it shit and "not worth it"
>>554226729My asspussy kinda hurts....
>>554225367strong but it gets very boring
>>554226729Oh also has the arguably best melee weapon in the game (shivs) and the stimms are basically just a second ability (there's class abilities that give less buffs than a single stimm activation)
Going back to VT2 to try out sienna and saltz's careers and I'm a bit surprised. Dunno if WP and necro are just good or if they did something to the bots but I'm managing to clear legend easily now when before I struggled even with actual players. Kinda curios now how much cata will bust my balls but thats a question for after I do legend skittergate
>>554231681>Dunno if WP and necro are just goodGood is an understatement, they are braindead
>>554208532I liked this post Anon. Keep up the good work.
>>554232295>weapon that infinitely loops the same heavy that has almost nothing but block frameswhy the fuck did they make flail and shield what it is
Playing around with the helbore and wondering about how I should be firing it. ADS and do some half charge shots to build my chain shot buff then start doing full charges with the 50% reduced charge time? From there I can ADS and get my surgical stacks for crits and keeping my ammo with shock trooper?
>>554237198you don't need to think about your blessings.Just full charge every shot and get really good at clicking heads.
>>554227042That’s not a thing people have.
Do you dump power output or defense on the Shock Maul and Suppression Shield? Informed answers only, not guesses.
>>554216657They all fucking suck but the Drukhari are the worst like others have said. Haemonculi can bring you back to life to continue torturing you if they’re feeling particularly spiteful, even if you kill yourself. The question of what races enjoy fighting the others the most is interesting too. I imagine Orks enjoy fighting everyone in the galaxy at this point.
>>554232295Yeah I see what you mean. I'm still making a lot of mistakes but running both heal talents on the sigmar male I'm able to recover way too easily and I'm surprised how relaxed I am doing full book legend runs. Never thought I'd call legend comfy as a scrub since day 1 but well thats how it feels. I'm actually a bit curios how useful the heal talents are in an actual team and not one where WP isn't taking like 80% of the kills. Still need to try out necro but if nothing else according to the stats the necro bot is severely outperforming the other bots in every aspect except not eating shitOn another note I haven't really played VT2 all that much since before the premium careers were released, were the other 3 also this strong? I remember SoTT being talked about a lot when it came out but I'm not sure if grail knight and engineer were also busted
>>554226729>>554227365shivs yes, melee tree is nothing special thoughif you don't use shivs melee is not greatbut it's primarily a ranged class anyway, and having a melee weapon that can perform that good without taking a single melee talent from the tree is insane>Few safety netsthe number is not important, he has the best safety netstotal ranged immunityimmunity to melee tracking lets you walk away from any hit20% tdr on small talentbetter confident strike on small talentHalf of this shit was broken on release but now it's tanky as fuckI would add passive threat reduction as well, but it can actualy get annoying to chase enemies around
>>554238095The actual answer is Crowd Control. The difference in overall values is minimal and shouldn't affect any stagger breakpoints.
>>554239972I was asking for informed answers only.
>>554238095>>554239972this is bait and probably samefag
>live in the midwest and join a cw with an american flag>270 ping
>>554244889Thirdie.
>its a "teammates fight endless horde at the spinning green tubes on train and die" episode
Jesus fucking christ I can't play with these fuckers. Got train again, someone closed the door and trapped people on the other side with the horde, people not helping with batteries, people who won't do the minigame OR defend me while I do it. This was damnation even, I'd expect that from malice but fuck me.
>>554248532>Got train again, someone closed the door and trapped people on the other side with the hordeI do this every single time because it's funny
I love the quickdraw revolver
>>554216414Testers complained about no recoil, so they added recoil.
>>554246997It's always the battery objective, why is it always the battery objective? Answer me damn you!
>>554216414artificial recoil so dumbass like you knows it's shooting
>>554257873Had one person say they were "anchoring the objective".
>>554257873Because that specific objective entices/encourages people to split up to do the objective faster or more efficiently. And all those faggot shooters who end up camping on the platforms on the left/right that nobody seems to fucking shoot except for me.
>>554257873Splitting up for batteries in groups of 2 in almost every map is more fast and easy
>>554260786More often than not, it's two people going for different batteries and the other two stay near the spinny green tubes killing mindlessly.
>>554260786That might seem like the best course of action, but have you considered the appeal of one person doing both of the batteries solo while the other three fuck around at the spinny tube place?added bonus if they somehow choose to leave that area right as the lone player returns with a battery so he doesn't even get their protection as he runs to insert it
>>554261180>spoilerAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
What class/build would you guys say would be the best to carry havoc as much as possible?
>>554265287Scrier Psyker or BTL Arby.
>>554265287shiv/needler scum just destroys the gameplasma vet removes all of the biggest threats at rangea good support zealot with flamer might not be a traditional carry but can make sure team is safe 90% of the time when played well (99.9% of zealots online are not playing well)
>>554266695>99.9% of zealots online are not playing wellThis goes for every class but it's actually the least noticeable on Zealot because they can MERELY PRETEND to fuck up on purpose and live on 1hp for martyr
>>554265287Aggressive psyker builds like vent and scriers Any variant of scum that takes needle. Those are the two I find the most success with, because they can solve most of any problem within reason. Scum is nice because you can just play a more selfish version of vet, and shoot every single ranged mob the entire game (shitter trench players will NEVER shoot their gun, even if you are being pelted and the rest can't proceed.) while still having insanely potent mobility and melee, and being able to solo shred bosses (other than fucking mace captains) is nice. Also abusing complete ranged immunity on the needle blessing is funny because you can just run up to 50 gunners and lock them in melee.
why do they put impossible challenges in the game
>>554272753Note that there is no difficulty requirement, you could clear this on uprising no problem, thougha well coordinated auric team could do it easily enough as well.
>>554272753two words my friend: rolling steel
Going to use strength drugs as the boost I provide with my current scum build's stimm supplyHere's a poll, would you rather have your 20% extra strength come with a side of 15% rending, 15% crit chance, or 35% finesse damage?
>>554281249Hard to choose between rending for anti-carapace and crit for build proccing.
>Want to play ratclick>Live in Australia so the game is dead>None of my mates like coop games most of them play survival build sims...Fucking sucks
>>554281249rending against rotten armour, crit any other time
Should I be putting Shred on my tactical axe? I'm playing blazing piety so I'm already getting a lot of crit chance from the tree. Am I better off using Headtaker instead?
>>554287309Brutal Momentum. Ignoring hit mass is pretty big on a weapon without cleave.
>>554287547BM is pretty much a must on axes is it not? I asking for the second blessing.
>join 31-39 pf havoc groups>plays just fine>join havoc 40s>it's almost without fail a shitfest
>>554288205If you feel you got the crits locked with talents then Headtaker wouldn't hurt.Str = Damage, Stagger, and Cleave. And since you don't have to chain them you don't have to worry about missed attacks which would break all the stacks provided by Shred.
>>554281249give me some attack speed bro
what compels somebody to use a scoreboard in a pve game? my penis isn't large, its average. but i've never felt a need to install the scoreboard at all. maybe there's something there. perhaps those of us who are below average use it?
>>554289675>the average player using scoreboardI must see how much better or worse I am than others>the above average player using scoreboardI must see how this build performs in a 'real world' scenario>the above above average player using scoreboard*shitposts loudly*
>>554281249crit always, without question. if someone is using such a low crit weapon that added crit chance doesn't really matter, then they suck ass at dps anyway.
>>554289675It's for people who want an objective measure of their performanceWhy did you need someone else's help to figure out this simple fact?
>>554289675btw i'm talking about the average among my fellow indians which is around 3 inches
>>554289675>lower case ragebait
HAVOC.HAVOK!LA HAVOQUE?LEVEL 28E.U4944749582
is darktide like helldivers where you can just exit as soon as extraction is confirmed and you get all rewards but skip the ending screen?
>>554292026At least one person MUST extract.
>>554291703Do not join this party!Last time the crate scum put estrogen in the stimms and turned me into a cute anime girl
>>554292179youre welcome cutie
>>554291703https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/246https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/653https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/266
>>554292026Nope. You can't cheese the missions by doing the objectives and fragging yourself.
>>554291703>be me>never played much havoc>at best I could put together a party of 2 friends, but even that is rare>and even with them, we'd struggle to go too high, especially with a bot always present, and we play too rarely to make noticeable progress>parties below havoc 20 are rare in the browser>even if I got accepted in a 20+ party I'd be too scared to underperform to play there, since I've never gone above auric maelstroms and can't reliably carry in those
>>554292992No one truly expects you to be the sole workhorse of the team. You just need to be able to hold your own and help out when it counts.
>>554292992join us NOWi do not CARE about your performance as long as you have FUN
>>554292992Just play more anon. If you don't throw yourself into the fire you will never learn. Don't let "Havoc is the hardest gamemode of the game" get to you. You will get better the same way you climbed from Sedition to Damnation.
>>554292046>>554292678i mean once you are in the extraction ship.
anon left party without saying a word... ngmi...you sucked anyways anon!!!
>>554281249I switch it oftenRending for armor, and for comps with that dont rely much on DoTCrit anytime I want to maximize a psyker, or when theres a lot of finesse weapons on the team. I generally prefer to take crit anyways because I take the claw.
>anons played havoc without me before I got homeIt's so nyowari da for me
>>554296320getting home soon? im fine with more havoc considering i only lost i really wanna play
>>554295812L4D rules. Once extraction arrives you make your way to it, there are two extraction methods. Elevators and Valkyries. Valkyries are the classic method, Get To The Chopper. Once everyone is on board you win. If someone goes down you have the option to save them. Elevators give you the option to linger with a button. I've had games that fail because not everyone was on the elevator and a poxburster downed everybody. You can't push the button unless everyone is inside the elevator.
saw feels badcrowbar feels amazing
>>554296904Knives feel better and the mk 12 chainaxe is way better for unga bunga than the crowbar
>>554297076>knivesI means shivs
>almost every class' best melee option is some spastic agility type shit that makes you click 150 times a minute
>>554297646That's what catering to the poopsockers does to a game, tale as old as time
>>554297646>psyker's top tier weapon is a greatsword>zealot's greatsword is up there with the best of them>arbitrator's 2 best weapons are easily spammed>ogryn's best weapons just spam heavies>veteran's best weapon just requires you to press the special every 3 swingsPretty sure not every class is scum
>>554297931>>psyker's top tier weapon is a greatswordIt's dueling sword or knife because inferno staff and uncanny strike>>zealot's greatsword is up there with the best of themIt's dueling sword or knife because flamer and uncanny strike>>arbitrator's 2 best weapons are easily spammedYes that's the issue>>ogryn's best weapons just spam heaviesmk3 club does not>>veteran's best weapon just requires you to press the special every 3 swingsYes, hence almost
>>554297646Some can be avoided with the skitarius mod which allows you to hold down M1 instead of clicking
>>554298484If you want to argue inferno staff and uncanny strike, force sword is stronger because it also has a strength blessing that increases your flame DoT, but surely you knew that because your confidence must stem from being a good, experienced, havoc 40 player.Flamer is never used for damage anymore on zealot, so uncanny doesn't matter nearly as much anymore, but surely you knew that because your confidence must stem from being a good, experienced, havoc 40 player.Arbitrator's 2 best weapons just spam heavy -> light or vice versa, but surely you knew that because your confidence must stem from being a good, experienced, havoc 40 player.Mk3 club is simply good, it never was considered the best, and is definitely no longer close to the top, but surely you knew that because your confidence must stem from being a good, experienced, havoc 40 player.Shut the fuck up, malicelet.
wish verminetide and darktide had music queues like left 4 dead
>veteran doesn't have krak
>>554297931>>554298484Arguably ogryn is the only class that doesn't really have a "best weapon", since pretty much all of them suck dick in one form or another.
>>554298704>implying psyker melees are nothing but blessing sticks>delusional claim about how zealot is played>implying that just because you use some heavies arbitrator melees don't swing insanely fast especially with 3 melee speed nodesYou can stop larping anytime
>>554299913Smokes are pretty good
>>554300081>>implying psyker melees are nothing but blessing sticksForce greatsword is the best melee build in the entire game. The fact that you don't acknowledge this shows you're a stuckie retard.>>delusional claim about how zealot is playedFlamer is a suppression and brittleness tool, nobody in 40 builds it for damage anymore. The fact that you see these, and think it's "le meta", shows you've never made it past the h30 hump.>>implying that just because you use some heavies arbitrator melees don't swing insanely fast especially with 3 melee speed nodesThis is disingenuous because we both know that doesn't involve spamming LMB 30 billion times the same way that dual shivs on an attack speed build would. Also taking that much attack speed is exclusive to Targets Acquired self-stacking and Lone Wolf, neither of which are a given.Shut the fuck up, malicelet.
>>554299913Kraks are only really necessary in rotten armor + encroaching garden.Once RA and EG rotate out (EG already has) people will change back to frag spam with untranny strike + bolt pistol explosion shenannigans. Since being able to put maximum bleed onto an entire screen, and then just use uncanny to amp it up will kill everything on screen, especially when you combine it with a flame psyker and a skullcrusher ogryn.Like now you can put 4 different DoTs onto an entire screen at once pretty much, you will be raping everything on screen thanks to it.This doesn't mean kraks are bad, they are very good, but they basically exist to hard counter 2 of the most cancerous modifiers. And I won't mind if someone wants to bring kraks to other modifiers, they can help in really shitty spots.
>>554300281smokes are gay as fuck you're blinding ME i can't see SHIT what the FUCK
>>554300692Stand inside the smoke and peek out the edge. If the vet isn't completely retarded, it'll be positioned to allow you to do this.>but it's 2 meters forward!!Press your W key until you can see, pussy.
>>554300743I don't appreciate some vet deciding where i need to stand if i want to see the enemy, ballsack.
>>554297931>just hit elites and specials a second time with a slower weapon haha>dont forget to dodge anyway because maniacs and carapace only stagger on the third hitThe levels of cope dueling sword deniers are on shouldn't even be possible
>>554300849>push>enemy falls on his assJust say you don't know how to use the weapon next time, retard
Blessed Sigmar
>>554300626>Force greatsword is the best melee build in the entire game.NTA but The same build but with deimos has higher dps
>>554297076>12 chainaxe is way betternnnnnnnnyo it's pretty much the same thing. But I agree it's good. Underrated, even.
>>554301036True, but I don't like to count exploits
>>554301210Barring exploits, l1 h1 block reset is still slightly higher on unyielding and carapace, however in that regard you do lose a lot of reach against full packs so i guess in practice the dps is roughly the same on anything except bosses.Anytime I take the FGS, I feel like I do so much less dps and killing, but every so often I end up revisiting the FGS anyways because I will often think to myself how much more dps I can actually land out if I had the safety of the reach
>>554221535there are ways to make them decent enough
>>554301665I feel like FGS gets more DPS out between fully finesse- and crit-maxxed builds, and the special erasing entire hordes, and also you have room for a block blessing that the regular FS doesn't get since you REALLY want the elite kill strength blessing on top of uncanny.
what should I do when the enemies shoot me? I play Ogryn
>>554302092Sprint and slide through like you're a dog with worms.Dodge slide to start with, if you're in gunner hitstun.Take Steady Grip (top tight) and brace your gun, if you frequently struggle against 2-3 straggler shooter shitters while catching up with your team. Sprint, slide, brace your gun for a moment, repeat, until you catch up.If you're really bad and new, coherency toughness regen is a viable crutch (Lynchpin, curios), just be aware that this is a very bad stat and not actually useful once you learn how to play.
>>554300626>Force greatsword is the best melee build in the entire game.And no one cares because it's not the best psyker build in the entire game>Flamer is a suppression and brittleness tool, nobody in 40 builds it for damage anymore.Thinking this changes what the melee pick with it is shows you're a dumbass>This is disingenuous because we both know that doesn't involve spamming LMB 30 billion times the same way that dual shivs on an attack speed build would.Yes, if we pretend that anything even marginally slower than the click speed on scum shivs doesn't count then I guess you're right. Who's the disingenuous one of us here?
>>554300943>click head>enemy is dead instead of on his assI am begging you please stop doing 12 input combos to kill one yellow gunner>nah i need to charge my JO crystal every 3 hits or else my weapon turns into a pool noodleJust click on his head that's all it takes click on his head once
>>554302372retard
>>554302092shoot back to suppress them,then walk up and hit them until they die
>>554302092change class
>>554297646i'm just gonna ignore the ongoing argument and say Force Greatsword is the main exception. It's the best weapon for psyker, and it's by no means a spastic agility weapon. But you're right in the sense that attack speed is universally good for melee.
>>554221535>ever seeing any of your characters faces?use helmets or gay. use armour too, not clothing.
>>554301061It does much, much more damage
>>554303793alright i'll give it another shot thenif it doesn't do much, much more damage then there will be consequences for you
>>554302996>As an ogryn you are one of the biggest targets for gunners and snipers. Switch classes. There are six (6) of them.
Huh
I love slayer
>>554291703>>554292179>>554292624>>554294496>>554295857>>554296487This sounds like a really good time…
>play force sword>miss the mobility, parry, and reliable heavy pokes of dueling sword>play dueling sword>miss deflector and the stagger/knockdown on push of force sword
>>554304596all cults seem like a good time before you get sacrificed and eaten
>>554304779Swear off both and become a knifecel.
>completely and utterly hard carry 3 shitters>make a singular (1) (uno) (one) mistake>instant wipe not even 5 seconds laterSure feeling co-op right now. Very cooperative.
>>554305082The Emperor judged your teammates unworthy of victory. They had to be punished. And the way to punish them was to take you out of the picture. You were simply a necessary sacrifice for their judgement.
>>554304980When I use knife on psyker I end up getting greedy and put myself in bad spots lol.
What are veteran's best horde clear melee weapons?Assume my teammates are 3 sub-bot sub-animal level shitters so I'm forced by necessity to constantly juggle melee and ranged, so power sword and power falchion are out.
Which dog node is better, elites/specials or ranged enemies? Or neither?
>>554306956if you don't need armor piercing, chain sword wrecks hordes
>>554307045neither
>>554307045Elite node is the better one because you actually care about what it does.Ranged node increases the dog's leash distance to I believe 40 meters, which means it'll never stick close to you. This is sometimes undesirable, but it does make it more proactive.You should use neither, because the point is precious, and you should be manually commanding it.
>>554304596you could join in the fun if you want!>>554304975slander :) we are all very kind, its a safe space for all :)))
>>554304980On vet and zealot that can reliably get bleed on a target uncanny and mercy kill are the blessings, what would you pair with uncanny for psyker?
>>554309040Since it's just a stat stick, you put bleed and unyielding on it, so you have another source of DoT against monsters.
>>554306956I'm afraid it's the mk6 power sword, you just have to git gud.>>554309040Flesh tearer.
>>554298498Except for braindead shit like ogryn's club you usually want both heavy and light attacks so it doesn't help muchplus it breaks push attack which is annoying as fuck, makes you hold block more than necessary otherwise it cancels push attack and executes the programmed combo instead
amazing havoc teammates as usual
>>554310515>I'm afraid it's the mk6 power sword, you just have to git gud.I'm looking for something more practical that doesn't constantly need to be charged or lose charge if I stub my toe for some retarded reasonI acknowledge that it's the best melee weapon vet has, but I'm explicitly looking for something else.>>554307114Chain sword is dogshit
>>554311172Oh...
>>554306956Devil's claw, also comes with a handy parry to face tank bosses or dismantle ragers.
>>554311628I like dclaw but I don't think I've ever used it on vet. How much melee talent support does it generally need? I don't normally go very deep down the bottom right. I know it does need some support to work properly on scum.
>>554311227Chainsword is fine, but you have to build it for bleed, which requires you to take serrated blade, and use heavy swings for horde clearing which means the cleave blessings. The decent thing about it compared to the power sword is that you don't have to activate the special every strike or three for it to be in any way effective.
>Decide to stop playing vet>Every vet I play with doesn't have field improvewhat the fuck are they spending that extra point on?
>>554304980>>554309886>>554310515Sounds good, took 35 knives from brunt to get the stats so I'll give it a try. When playing flame psyker I noticed that when I got in trouble was when I had no teammates to help me and I was getting overwhelmed by carapace. I prefer to play knife on vet and zealot anyway so the movement and combat will feel familiar.
>>554312438GBitF or bleed, both of which are ass.At least bleed is alright with knife, and helps bad melee weapons kinda work, but it's still ass.
>>554312438Bleed talent (they do not bring a source of bled)
>>554311227Unfortunately practicality comes at a steep cost in horde killing for vet. If you really can't compromise in that regard, then your best bet is either mk3 shock maul, mk7 shovel, or mk6 combat blade. Maybe brutal momentum combat axe, but last time I tried that it felt pretty ass.
>>554312691If you stuck puncture on a bolt pistol and used it at close range, but otherwise had no source of bleed on your melee weapon apart from Serrated Blade, how effective do you think that would be? Assume also taking reload talents to reduce downtime on the bolt pistol.
weekends are brutal
>>554312619>took 35 knives from brunt to get the statsIf you're just stat sticking, you should probably dump damage on the knife. Since it's a naturally fast weapon, the 60->80 mobility actually gives you counter-intuitively a lot of speed.You can still dump mobility ofc, nothing wrong with it. Damage dump is kind of a meme.>When playing flame psyker I noticed that when I got in trouble was when I had no teammates to help me and I was getting overwhelmed by carapace.Unironically consider going double wall, it's a big help with this. Especially if you also run maxed brain burst, you can start blowing up their heads. It's not great, but it works. Alternatively, consider brittleness on your staff and just run away to regroup with your team, and give them brittleness because they otherwise won't likely have anything to deal with armor because even auric quickplayers are retarded as fuck.
>>554312438they spec into the bottom right side of the tree which takes a lot of points
>>554311172Hey that's me!!!!!
>>554312803I'll look into dclaw and shock maul. Both have a lot of utility outside of just horde clear, so I think they're plenty practical. Dclaw should be fine with kraks, especially since it combos nicely with Skullcrusher. Likewise for maul. Don't want to waste my point in bleed so knife is a pass for me.>>554312967Anon, field improv is a pathing node.>picrel
>>554313201It's downright impossible not to take field improv unless you're actively choosing dogshit one of the other two dogshit nodes.
>>554313201>no superiority complexdamn
>>554313650I just took the bare minimum for the screenshot. Superiority Complex is extremely good and should go on most builds.
>>554312961Double wall is super comfy with FGS with the node to electrocute enemies and specials, gives free real estate to land some heavies on the toughest enemies and it auto stuns leaping dags midjump so pox hound missions aren't completely aids.
>>554312438It's impressive how far pub players will go out of their way to take the wrong nodes just to avoid the actually good ones, when they reworked the trees to make said nodes LITERALLY FUCKING FREE AS A PATHING NODENo vet will take field improvNo zealot will take infectious zeal if they go BP, and it's extra fucking hilarious if they go BP with a low finesse weapon that doesn't crit like Thammer. And without a doubt the best keystone node sub ability in the entire fucking game is always spent elsewhere on something retarded like masters retribution (knock back one enemy who hits you every 8 seconds, why.)I see a rather shocking amount of psykers avoid warp rider, vulnerable minds, mettle or the other crit node
>>554313924>on something retarded like masters retribution (knock back one enemy who hits you every 8 seconds, why.)Dogs.They can't dodge dogs, don't know to push them, and quickplay tards don't help you when dogged.
>>554313201>Don't want to waste my point in bleed so knife is a pass for me.There's always the option of flesh tearer. Don't know if it's a good idea over using the talent point, wherever you are putting that, but it werks.
>>554314248Knife can be a little underwhelming without the weakspot blessing + bleed talent, in my experience. At least when it comes to horde clear, anyway. Push attacks remain quite high DPS against most things, but it's not what I need a melee weapon for on the builds I'm trying to replace the psword on.
>>554313201many gameslantern builds have catch a breath
>>554312328It won't need extra talent investment to do its job as a horde chopper and parry machine. It sucks at Crushers though (that's why the Emperor invented Krak grenades), but in a pinch you can whittle them down with parries and its mild anti-armour attack.
Maelstrom?More like MEALstorm!
Can you please stop accepting zealots into havocs?I'll just take stimm supply for corruption healing, there, problem solved. You don't need these leeches.
>>554314616Catch a Breath is mandatory pathing now, anon...
>>554311227for the purpose of pure horde clear, chain sword fantastic. Use the higher mark and slap rampage on it and light attack spam.
>>554314942get back in the fight thenI could never remember which is which
>>554314398Even mk6 h1 spam?
>>554313924>infectious zeal>spend a point to get literally nothing>not even get a little thing twice in a 40 minute mission>literally nothingIf it's so good and valuable it would be baseline for blazing piety and the extra personal crit would get rolled into the talent which you already have to take to get the full 25% from the keystone
>>554316565I get not taking it in auric because force multipliers only matter when the force that is being multiplied, is greater than zero.But not taking it in havoc?>DECLINED
>>554315187Get Back In The Fight isn't as good as it used to be.
>>554312438>>554312681>>554312691>>554313924I always take attack speed and bleed over field improv, are you saying I shouldn't? Why?
>>554317038Unless you're using knife, the bleed does jack shit for your damage. Like, actual nothingburger amounts. Run a couple games with Power DI and avoid using other sources of bleed, and watch it do fucking nothing. less than 30k damage in an entire run. Giving scum a single +1 rocket launcher is already more than 30k, and you give EACH ONE 3-4.
>>554317038Serrated Blade isn't very good unless you have a weapon that procs stacks, because Serrated Blade's main use is maintaining bleed stacks and these will mostly be from your melee weapons like the Combat Knife and the Chainsword/axe. The problem with that is that then you have to base your whole build around melee to get the most use out of it, and the Vet is never as effective at melee as other classes while being most effective at shooting shit, which is mutually exclusive with using Serrated Blade to its utmost. What is useful is ammo crates being able to restore grenades, maybe your personal damage takes a hit, but you massively increase the team's potential damage since grenades are generally really powerful or tactically useful, but short in supply.Corruption clear? You can take it or leave it, if you have a Zealot, odds are they have Beacon which is better at clearing corruption anyway.
>>554317910The doubled healing rate on medkit is very useful. It normally takes an eternity and locks you in place for too long, without it. How useful that is obviously depends on the difficulty, but it's incredible in havoc 40.
>>554318113Agreed, it can come in clutch, but it's not often that happens that it makes or breaks the node as a pick.
whats the most useful class if not necessarily the best
>>554318424Bubble Psyker is the most useful, cover and toughness regen wherever you want it is the strongest ability in the game.
>>554318424Probably ogryn for how much just taunt + Skullcrusher blessing change the game.In havoc I'd argue zealot, because a good zealot completely invalidates boss rush bullshit in h40.
>>554318424Veteran because no other class will ever, under any circumstance, shoot a gun at a gunner
>>554318756You're right, I kneel.
>>554317184I wish I could use that mod, but it micro stutters the fuck out of my game and it's unplayable.>>554317910Yeah, I guess the grenades might make it worth it. Maybe I've been running on outdated information, because for a while grenade pick ups were low value due to every good grenade being regenerative, and field improv used to compete with better talents, but I suppose scum grenades and the tree reworks have changed that.
Why do veterans hate Psykers even more than fanatics?
>>554319021>but it micro stuttersEver since the start, or after you used it for a while?PowerDI used to have a known issue where having too many saved games caused it to stutter like mad. I don't know if it still has that, but if it only started stuttering after a while, erase your saved games.If it's doing this even with no saved games, then I guess you're out of luck.
>>554317038>>554319021Something that the game doesn't tell you is that the upgrades to kits is for everyone on your team, not just when the vet drops it. The psyker can pick up and drop the ammo kit and everyone will get extra grenades, the zealot can drop the medkit and everyone gets the faster healing and corruption clear. Its one of my biggest pet peeves when shit isn't explained. Like souldrinker and in fire reborn from psyker, tooltip reads "killing an enemy with soulblaze" so you think the enemy needs to die from the soulblaze DoT. But no, its when an enemy that has the soulblaze DoT on them dies for any reason, from the DoT, your melee, another teammate, etc. you get the proc (souldrinker for toughness regen) or chance to proc (in fire reborn for warp charges).
>>554319132Pskers are touched by the warp, everyone hates them because the warp is a major cause of a lot of problems for the Imperium. Psykers are a symptom of the warp.
>>554316565I am saying this from a point of view from the builds I see from """""support""""" zealots, who want to play book bitches in havocYou want to skip it and play fotf melee in aurics? Yeah, that makes sense and that is actually the correct way to go about it.You want to play matyrdom stealth zealot and delete bosses? That makes sense too Not taking infectious zeal when your entire gimmick in havoc to the parties you are applying to is to be a walking aura and buff stat stick (that doesnt even do that properly) is astounding.
>>554281249with stimm supply I'd pick crit chance since it's the safest bet for something that helps the whole teamhowever that 15% stimm rending together with the 15% rending from desperado adds up nicely when you run the dual autopistolsautopistols with 30% rending is no joke
>>554319217It more or less started the moment I had the mod installed.>>554319261Yes, I've been aware of that for ages. I did not weigh the benefits of improved crates against the bleed stacks correctly, that is all.
>>554319132Fear is the difference between the Vet and the Zealot. The Zealot hates psykers, but they don't fear them because they don't fear anything, so their hate is weaker than the Vet's is by dint of the Vet's hate being fueled by fear of the witch. You can see an echo of this with Arby where they hate the witch, but don't seem to fear the witch, then you have the Ogryn who is just openly afraid of the witch at times.
>>554298704>>554300081you're both morons because the real way to play arbitrator is to alternate push attacks in between heaviesthat way you can keep everything staggered while you regenerate insane amounts of toughness(via the "walk it off", "force of will" and "up close" talent nodes)you take those 3 nodes and then some kind of club, or mace, and you're fucking set for life in melee
I know, I know! A shield!
>>554322553I know, I know! Open fire!milennial writers have one character and it's quippy above-it-all fun guy
sex with loose cannon
>>554322553Worship me or DIE!
>>554319657There are no support zealots. There are only people forced to pick support talents on zealot in the same way someone is forced to be the goalie or point guard in a pickup game - you do it because that's how you win not because you like itImagine any other "support" talent with a point like that>redirect fire not applying to the vet>shout not giving piss toughness to the vet>dome not giving the psyker regen or damage reduction>taunt not applying damage amp to the ogryn's attacks>fast acting stimms not applying to the scum who dropped the crateAll these sound retarded right? Pic related are 2 talents which zealot has. They are a single talent split in two because they hate zealot
>>554323148>Imagine any other "support" talent with a point like that
>>554306956ive been using shock maul to carry auric animals mostly
>>554317038well, like others have said, it does jack shit for damagethe main reasons you'd want melee bleed are on other classes(ogryn gets damage reduction for having bleeding enemies around him(delight in destruction), zealot applies a debuff on bleeding enemies(blinded by blood))
>>554324823Every class that benefits from targets bleeding should always bring their own bleed, and supplies more than enough on its own.
>>554324927Well of course. But both ogryn and zealot have their own talents that apply melee bleed. That just goes to show there's no reason at all why a veteran should bring serrated blade instead of field improv.
>>554304378wat gaem
>>554323330Exactly, nobody has ever taken this node despite the lack of competition on that row. People will take swap speed over that knowing they never swap weapons
>>554325838I take that node.
>>554322835Sex with tsundere female Cadian
>>554326180Proof?
>>554326180Forgot to mention I am hardstuck at h30 btw.
>>554326342See? I take it!Fuck, now that the game's open, I might as well play a couple rounds. You fucking tricked me!
>>554322649>>554322856Truth>>554319132>>554320190I don’t get this impression at all. What makes you say that?
>>554326753You're a sick man picking talents like that. I pray they find a cure
>>554329157What's wrong with it? Don't need reload or swap speed because this is for the laspistol, Out For Blood is a waste when I already have Exhilarating Takedown and Longshot is a tax pick for shooter Vets. Covering Fire is primarily for giving team members extra damage on any kill you make near them, even if it's trash, which helps out a lot more than you'd think. If someone's swamped and struggling I can unload into the crowd and basically save their ass instantly, it even works when they're netted or dogged and there's enemies in the way.If this is what it means to be sick, then a sicko I be!
>>554330012Oh man, that was the wrong sicko pic, now I'm silly and a sicko.
>>554329020The veteran regularly speaks with incredible disgust towards the psyker.
No Man's land is some kind of leader in number of dead and leavers. The first two turns regularly cut off half of the team.
>>554331027I know but I mean I haven’t heard anything that makes me think they hate them more than the Zealot or Arbies.
>>554331302The second turn has an enemy spawn point on top, in clear view, that anyone walking down the corridor will see. It's shitters farming the spawn point that gets them dead there.No Man's Land also has much greater enemy density to choke you into a standstill or even a retreat. Shitters already struggle to handle more than 2 poxwalkers, now try auric density x2-3 lmao
>>554331302Some sections can be absolutely miserable when you get a gunner seed and no one on the team is equipped for ranged combat.
Something i really enjoy about the Darktide writing is how often, ogryns will be uncharacteristically wholesome. For example you'd think they would be pretty zealous and narrowminded given how stupid and loyal they are, but they're uncharacteristically friendly and wholesome towards the psykers. You'd also think they would act antagonistically towards zealots, but actually they're uncharacteristically wholesome towards them. There's also the whole thing with how you would expect an ogryn to maybe act or think selfishly in some situations, but they tend to be fairly uncharacteristically wholesome and friendly and value cooperation and helping everyone. Lastly you'd think they would at least hate the heretics with a passion right? Given how fiercely loyal ogryns are described? They actually are quite uncharacteristically wholesome towards the heretics quite often, going as far as to emphatize with them openly. All in all I would have to say that it's this exact subvertion of expectations that makes Ogryns so great. Sometimes they'll actually say something that a retarded muscular behemoth toddlerbrain would say, between all the wholesome and friendly behavior. That's when my expectations are the most subverted
seething secondary
>>554332227Where did you find such an uninformed post?
I noticed the zarona and accatran shotguns have much higher body shot damage than the agripinaa, but smaller weakspot and crit bonuses. Are they at all worth using as body shot weapons?
What's the best secondary blessing on the Crusher for Arby? Slaughterer sounds like the best but the uptime on it is kinda bad. Thrust is funny because I can reliably knock Crushers over but Opportunist basically a flat increase in damage overall.
>>554332227>ogryns will be uncharacteristically wholesomeNo, they aren't.Ogryns are incredibly easy to befriend, literally just share 1 or 2 rations with one and he'll be your best friend forever. They've been jolly, wholesome chungus ogres ever since the begining from Rogue Trader 38 years ago.Many people just confuse them with WHF ogres who are full on cannibals and man eaters. Though even there it is not at all uncommon to see an ogre working for humans, since ogres even in WHF are willing to work as mercenaries in exhange for food. The Empire of Man in WHF pretty commonly "recruit" ogre mercenaries and keep them around.
>>554335429Skullcrusher is good, as arby you already stagger everything so you benefit from skullcrusher a lot.I've seen people recommending hammerblow + skullcrusher. Slaughterer + skullcrusher is also a good combination.
what mark of devil's claw is best for horde clearing, blessings and which attack combo is best for it (for horde clear), want to use it for scum
>>554335508This, an ogryn would actually be happy when a psyker says the emperor is a faggot
>>554220448I look like this and do this
>>554301739Holy duck, what hat and chest piece is that???
>>554335508Even in the case of their mercenaries though, you usually don’t want to be around a Ogre when supplies/food start running low
>>554335726I should have explicitly said that I'm running Skullcrusher as the primary blessing. I'm running into the issue of not having chaff to kill to get stacks of Slaughterer going when I need to something like 10 Crushers and Maulers dead. I'm only managing 2 stacks of Slaughterer consistently.
>>554337101Fact: Traitors and heretics are not human.
>>554335429Thunderous for more team support, it also applies in an area off the explosion alongside skullcrusher. With the heavy explosion being a good size. Combine with the Bolt Pistol to make it a little bigger.
>>554337149Then I'd say take hammer blow since it is more consistent than Thrust.And it gives you more stagger which lets you lock down elites better.
>>554336223For melee scum, mkVIISpam light chain. the strikedown on light3 speeds up its mixed lesser elite killing quite wellUse the pushattack-light combo for single target and armour. No need to ever touch its heavy attacks.mkIV for purer horde slicing. full light spam if you have the attack speed talent, light-heavy if you don't. Heavy1 for single-target armour.blessings; shred and your choice of rampage or skullcrusher
Crowbar is pretty cool, very nice to have a decent crowd control and a really good single target in a single melee.
The only thing I really don't like about Ogryns is that they're not stupid enough in Darktide. Almost all they do is >performatively use big words they can't pronounce while never mispronouncing anything else like a real retard would >performatively forgetting how to finish words but never forgetting a word completely and going "the got dang uhhhhhhh" But otherwise they seem to perfectly comprehend anythingThere are a couple good lines though. Like the one where one of the Ogryns claims he fucken hates abhumans. Or the one guy who can't shut the fuck up about how unfair nets are
>>554331302That walkway with snipers and maulers is absolute cancer. Still love the map and the narrative behind it. Kind of reminds me of that destiny 2 dungeon where halfway through you end up in the open zone fighting a boss, and anyone that just happens to be playing nearby can help you curbstomp it before you continue on in the dungeon.
I like no respite. It helps with knoife when you push block spam.
>>554339107Aren't the ogryns in darktide all clones or something?
Playing through vermintide 1 and oh my fuck I can't get drops for my class to save my life. Just want my kruber to have a big ass sword
>>554339797they're vatborn. Not clones, which is a whole special problem in 40k, just ye olde gestated in a tube babies.
>>554337751With Havoc in mind, there's a high likelihood of running into a Psyker with Penetrating Flames so more brittleness probably isn't necessary. I could be wrong, though.>>554338310I'll be sure to give Hammerblow a shot. I am still subscribed to the idea of "the best form of CC is death."
>>554339797>>554340128A dev said so, which however doesn't really make sense given that you can pick where your ogryn is from and there's no way all of them are vatgrown
>>554342676They can do memory fuckery, no psyker required even, fucking with memories is pretty common in 40k
>>554339107Pretty much, but I overlook it myself because the alternative would be a character that really isn’t fun but it would be cool to see how a competent dev team would get around an Ogryn not being able to reload properly.
>>554342938Wouldn't it be really incredibly lame to just explain away all the backstory choices with >oh actually you're vatgrown and that's just the implanted memoryand yes I know you can ask the surgeon to change it but I took that as non-diegetic
>>554343153It would make sense for vat grown ogryns at least, and explain why there are so fucking many in Tertium.
>>554343067I don't even think they need to forget how to reload or something. They do have some animations where they put the mag in the wrong way, and it could potentially be fun, but I was thinking just dialogue. They're too tame when considering how retardkino the dialogue could be
>>554343359>random chance the ogryn just doesn't function as expectedYeah, because the ogryn just isn't nerfed enough, we have to add retarded diagetic shit on top of it for the malicelets to larp with
>>554339797>>554340128>>554342676The vatgrown/clone thing only exists as an in-story explanation why all the ogryns in Darktide are male. Female ogryns do exist in the lore and the wider galaxy.The actual reason why all ogryns in Darktide are male, is that GW has never made any models or art depictions of female ogryns. And they are not going to allow Fatshark to design their own version add them to the game.
>>554344828I don't know why you're just repeating that when I said twice in a row now I don't really care for it either
>>554344996Shush, I'm getting worked up over anons suggesting the ogryn needs to be worse
Give ogryn new proper ranged weapon, pls. Don't make it another sniping gun
>>554346137What though? You can't give him a flamer because that would mean un-target-capped AoE dots, which only zealot, psyker, vet and hive scum can have. Ogryn can't have it. You can't give him a heavy bolter because it would give him a ranged option that can kill crushers, which Ogryn can't have. Only zealot, psyker, vet and have scum can have this. You can't give him an autocannon that would work like the voidstrike staff because that would be OP. For him to have. With ammo limits and reload times etc. Only psyker can have that and his is better. Ogryn can't have this
>>554346137Give ogryn a burlap sack full of nuts, bolts, shrapnel, bits of bone, etc. They can take handfuls and throw them at the enemy, make it a close range shotgun with wide spread and stagger, alt fire he baseball pitches a handful for a tighter spread over medium distance.
>>554343306Tertium has a population in the literal hundreds of billions iirc and Ogryns are already one of the more populous abhumans in the Imperium so that part was never really in question.
>>554346552Ogryns living in a hive world is unusual because ogryns usually can't stand cramped spaces, getting them into chimeras and valkyries is already a challenge.
>>554346137I want a proper Ripper. Stronger than a bolter up close, fully powered club-like melee attacks, can't stop shooting until you reload if you use full auto mode.
>zealot>knife>bolter>throwing knives>shroud>blazing piety
New to the game and playing as ogyrn, because I like tanks. In vermintide I almost exclusively played bardin, mostly as an iron breaker. I can't decide between the shield or power maul, because the power maul feels better in a lot of situations (and has a really cool special) but without the shield I get completely fucked in damnation by ranged enemies. I'm only level 28, and have been stockpiling crafting currency until I hit max rank. Is power maul or shield generally more useful and what types of curio stats are good for them?Also which ranged weapon to use? They all seem to have good and bad things about them but I don't know how to deal with snipers without the standard stubba gun. I feel like ripper guns are good because of can opener into hip firing on heavy armor, but maybe that's a noob trap? Help a retard out
>>554347190As Ogryn, switch to a different class to kill snipers.
>>554347190Slab shield heavy strike chains have incredible cleave and stagger, keeping carapace in stagger and creating space will pretty much be your job, you can do that with the power maul, but there's not as much cleave to work with compared to the shield. If you find you have to be the one to snipe, your team isn't doing its job and I'm sorry you have to experience that. That said, your best ranged weapons will be explosives, the rumbler and the gauntlet, anything else eats way too much ammo to use frequently.
>>554347190Down in the middle tree is attention seeker, you taunt enemies for 8 seconds on block or push. If there are a bunch of gunners plant your shield for a second and let them hit you to taunt them, they'll stop shooting and to come shank you. Ideally you can plant the shield for a second them dodge back behind cover breaking line of sight to guarantee they stop shooting and start running to you. The taunt blitz will do the same thing but with a shorter AoE range. With the shield put brutal momentum and skullcrusher on it, the heavy 1 you punch the shield out at head height and stagger, heavy 2 you backhand the shield doing less damage but lots of knockback. Loop the heavy 1 with a block cancel if you want to decimate hordes, throw the heavy 2 in if you need to make room. Instead of thinking of yourself as a tank think of yourself as crowd control, wade in and make room for your team while staggering enemies, killing weaker ones and putting stacks of skullcrusher on anything that you can't outright kill so your team does more damage. As for a ranged I really like the kickback with the weapon swap talent. With surgical and run n gun (to reduce the spread) you can reliably oneshot most elites at mid range and clear whole hallways of gunners, any that survive get knocked on their asses. Pair with rock for some long distance targeting of snipers and bombers. Rumbler and grenade gauntlet are also good. Pickaxe has more damage and horde clear than shield with a special to knock over ogryns, give it a try as well and see if you like it.
>>554346730Hive cities aren't made of just cramped corridors, there are lot of relatively open spaces too.Also ogryns in general common within the Imperium for how generally useful they are. Like they make factory workers since they are good at lifting and hauling stuff.
>>554336762That would be the Zealot's Inquisitorial Agents set.https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Inquisitorial_AgentsWho knows when that will be back. Warhammer Skulls in May would be my guess. And whenever the Commodore's Vestures has a rotation there's a chance it'll return.
>>554347190If you're going power maul I recommend grenade gauntlet. You can double dip on the explosion radius talent and grenade gauntlet has the largest field of suppression that lets it shut down ranged enemies while you pick them off on your way in. Takes some arc shots to hit snipers at long range, and fences will be your bane.Ripper MkV is also a solid sidearm. Slap inspiring barrage on it and it lets you fill your toughness quickly if you're caught out without anything to melee while in a ranged fight. Decent targeted suppression for managing ranged. Will easily manage snipers if you can handle the recoil. Blaze Away mandatory blessing.Kickback is also a standard sidearm. High knockdown, high suppression, decent spread lets you shutdown most enemies, but takes a few shots to kill anything at long range
Worshipping nurgle doesn't sound so bad the more I look into it
>>554346409>other classes are allowed to literally kill and rape 6 gorillion crushers at once and everything on screen with a flick of wrist or just putting some AIDS on the floor>ogryn at best is only allowed to be good at killing hordes (the least threathening part of the game)T-thanks, Sven...
>>554346409Ogryn with a heavy flamer would be nice>heavy bolterNo.
For needle pistol or or bone saw for scum when is it worth to switch to brittleness instead of poison?
>>554349005uuhh when youre fighting carapce fuclking retard
>>554348779Heavy bolter is arguably easy to balance for ogryn.Make it do more damage per shot than the regular, regular bolter does about 540 damage, make heavy bolter do like 600 or 700 damage per shot and give it around 40 shots in the magazine.But then make the ammo reserve only 60 or even 40 shots. Meaning you only get about 2 or 2.5 mags worth of ammo on any mission.Or they could go the space marine 2 route and give it a fuck huge magazine but relatively low damage alongside a heat mechanic.
>>554349303They would never, ever give an ogryn a bolter of any kind.
daka daka Ogryn
>>554349383Then they would never give ogryn any autocannon either. Too expensive and complicates to use as well.Also the whole intelligence and clumsiness are a moot point since we have the single stubbers in the game, which are retardedly accurate and you can dome an enemy from a 100+ metres away as an ogryn.The single stubbers alone are more lore breaking than a heavy bolter would ever be.
>>554216657Chaos, fighting them can actively drain your soul and dying to them will have your soul tortured forever in the Immaterium.
>>554349702No I mean in-universe, GW would never allow Fatshark to do it because ogryns are notorious for busting up their weaponry from overuse or using it as a club when they're out of ammo. A bolter is a complex piece of machinery to the point bolters are passed down like heirlooms, and bolter munitions are orders of magnitude more complex and difficult to manufacture and supply in the field compared to stubber weaponry.The stubbers are just M2 Brownings, a relatively simple weapon by 40k standards, and they are absolutely that accurate at those ranges we're using them on. Just because ogryns are stupid doesn't mean their fire is inaccurate, the only lore breaking thing is that our ogryns are inexplicably able to cease fire without running the magazine dry.
>>554350556>bolter is a complex piece of machineryIt's just a gun, it works like any other modern day fire arm today, ie. pull the trigger which "drops" the hammer which triggers the primer on the bolt shell.Only complex part is the ammunition, but ogryns don't need to worry about that beyond just reloading the magazine right way around.Also the bolters are built to last. If you didn't know but space marine bolters are built solidly like bricks too, not because they are clumsy but because the fighting environments they fight in are so dangerous and destructive that their equipment needs to be built solidly or otherwise it will break in no time.And yes, during desperate times even marines will resort to using their bolters as bludgeons of they run out of ammo and have nothing else on hand.And in Darktide we specifically have the forgeworld of Lorenz mentioned. A forgeworld which specializes in creating heavy weaponry, and as a side job they also specialize in creating "man portable" versions for ogryns to use. It's where the kickback and rumbler come from.>Just because ogryns are stupid doesn't mean their fire is inaccurateIt actually is. Ogryns are notoriously bad at aiming, even on the tabletop they and their weapons have one the worst ranged weapon skill stat.
>>554351623Your dreams of a heavy bolter will never come true, no matter how many paragraphs you sperg about how they totally could.
>>554351798Your dreams of an autocannon will never come true, no matter how many paragraphs you sperg about how they totally could.
>>554347190Taking 2 meme nodes and a specially built Kickback lets you one-shot snipers.I play something like this in auric, and it's peak comfy. Fill the remaining nodes in as you want.The important ones are the reload in the center, the +10% ranged on the right, and Bash & Blast which is dogshit but actually works here. I think Bash & Blast is slightly optional if you have other damage buffs going. Sprinting might also help you reach the breakpoint.This is the result of autistic kickback science, trust in the process.
>>554346410Unironically soulful and would actually be devastating with their strength>>554350485That’s some kino Slaanesh art.
>>554352047I don't care about autocannons, loogryns are awful anyway, they don't have ammo sustainment and there's enough competition for ammunition as it is. They should stick to their assault role.
>>554348126Oh wait, I think I have this one. Haven’t booted up the game in a while so I forget. Thanks though
>>554350556Only War had Gun Lugger ogryns that could wield heavy bolters, autocannons, and even multi-las.
>>554352253>They should stick to their assault role.Heavy bolter would be perfect for that.Rapid fire, hard hitting "get-in-the-enemy's-face" weapon.
>>554353187No anon, assault meaning melee. It's not anyone here you have to convince, go write letters to Fatshark.
I know there's two people here who still play DRG. Extra ammo or extra damage for AI stability engine GK2?
>>554353276Ogryn already has plenty of melee options for the assault playstyle, literally all of them are made for it.
>>554350556>>554349383If you're a lorelet why would you bring up lore constraints so confidently?
>>554353681Hunk of Junk (Mastercrafted)
>>554353681Using Rogue Trader as an example is a stupid thing to do since Rogue Traders follow none of the standard rules. I thought you'd have figured that out by the way they cavort with xenos.
>>554347190rumblr + powermaul + taunt>power surge on maul>adhesive and brittleness on rumbler>explosion radius and lucky shot talentsyou run in the middle of a fuck ton of dudes, pop your taunt, hit them with maul special and then shoot a grenade at your feet and you more or less delete everything>what abount ranged packs1 well placed rumbler shot is enough to knock everything on its ass for at least 5 seconds. once you get the hang of it packs of crushers, maulers, ragers lose all relevance
>Rolling Steel>Malice>shortly before weely chores resetgotta love it
>>554354025Using RT as an example would be silly, luckily that's Only War, the game line about playing good boy guardsmen and (mostly) following the rules.
>>554356323>(mostly)teehee
>>554354237this and shield have been my go-to in my aurics for a while. it's fun, you can hit an enemy next to you with the charged hit and it'll blow up poxbursters before they're even in range
>>55435329021222
>>554347190Regular heavy stubber (not twin linked) is great for shooting snipers and bombers.For melee just use whatever feels good.
I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT BEAST OF NURGLE IS FUCKING BULLSHIT BOSS MOST BUGGY SHIT IN THE GAME
>>554365245*vores you*
>>554283395Survival build sims are pretty cozy, can you ask them for recs? I'm in the market for one.
>>554365245>spits you through the level geometrynuthin personell kiddo
>>554365245dareee i sayyyyyskill issueeee
>>554365245Translation: I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MY SKILL
>>554365245>mutants and spawns are programmed to always throw you to a legal place (99% of the time)>burgles can puke you up wherever the fuck they feel like
>>554365245Fun fact: Its mouth counts as a weakspot for guns but not melee.
HOLY FUCK MR E JUST PLOPPED A FAT STINKY DRIPPING TURD ALL OVER OGRYNS
>>554366068>know this>team is floundering>mutant picks me up>turns to throw me at a section of stairs over a gap>fall down gap
>>554366068>spawn grabs you on slope>someone knocks you out of the grab>fall through the ground out of the map
>>554366130long enough reaching weapon and you can hit the weakspot from the front or sides.
>>554354025>doubling down on being retardedpeak dunning kruger right here. That's not RT
>>554367203Should be an achievement at this point
>>554365856>>554365984>stand on it's flank while it vomits>stops and begins turning>applies a stack of vomit during the turn>immediately voredI did everything I was supposed to?Where is the skill issue?
>>554368543It can grab you in about a 2 meter area around itself if you are covered in vomit. If you aren't covered in vomit only the grab in front can get you.
>>554369028Since when can it grab you when you're not vomited on?
Any of you anons still play first Killing Floor? Is it worth returning to?
>>554369028>>554369120After further research, even if you're not vomited on it can eat you if you're close enough to itRetarded ass enemy I hope it gets reworked
>>554369120Around when arbites came out i think.
>>554312923>tfw was busy doing other shit so missed weekend funfeels bad man
>>554369770>>554369120>>554369028>>554369920never happened to me, the fuck? I rountley fight those in melee range point blank
So now that the dust has definitively settled, what do (You) consider to be the best Cartel pick for a cummer? Favored voice?
Which tac axe is the best?
Okay, it's been six weeks, can we get an update to our live service game now? It's not funny anymore.
>>554371506It's snowing in sweden think of the human they're not your slaves
>>554371576I don't want to impose but maybe they can put their computers indoors or something?
>>554371506>can we get an update to our live service game now?yeah
>>554371648I know you want to play your game anon and you demand inhuman update cadence that only giant studios with mandatory crunch like epic games can pull off but fatshark is a small indie company plus it's snowing plus it's their after-break break.Methinks you shouldn't be so heckin entitled and go play something else.
>>554371650oh no... oh no oh no oh no!
>>554371650>They're just getting back into the office>There's like 50 pending bugs with hiv cum they didn't get around to fix (everyone still has godmode while sliding)>Even sloptubers are roasting them for the broken and unfun state of havok and hiv cum and now even ogryn>They're just going back into the officeSo are they going to pretend everything is fine and work on updates or will they go through the backlog first?
>>554372483>havokhavoque*
>>554371506Just 3 more months broWe're on track for our 3 major updates per year
>>554372483>everyone still has godmode while slidingqrd?
>>554372820He's prolly mixing things up, dodges got a change in that dodge linger (all classes but Ogryn have a dodge linger state after dodging, for like 0.2s avg, depends on class iirc) was enabled for ranged attacks. Before that, it was melee only. This means it's currently massively easier to dodge spam ranged without downtime than it ever was, unless you play Ogryn.
Did the dueling sword ever get nerfed? I assume so, how badly?
>>554371860BACK TO WORK SWIGGER! Your allotted 4chan time is used up, FINISH THE UPDATE!
>>554373724they took away the special attack and replaced it with parry
>>554373724>>554374000New to the game, what did it used to do?
>>554374065a shitty little jab that could stagger every enemy in the game on a headshot, except for bossesit was great but the parry is better in my opinion
>>554373632You remember that "bloodhound step" meme for elden ring where he was just smearing his shit all over the floor? We've needed that for darktide for a long time but especially now.>>554374065It had a special stb attack that didn't do a lot of damage but it would stagger everything except bosses with a headshot and also start winding up Uncanny.
>>554373724Pretty minor nerf unless you really crutched on the special stab.
>>554374065It had a poke that had humongous stagger on it and would stagger anything short of a boss. Malicelets insist that the parry is better (it isn't).It also received numerous nerfs to its stats btw, but that was in the same patch that every class received melee buffs. It was effectively brought closer to the rest of the arsenal, but its overall performance didn't degrade much if you're invested in melee. Losing the special hurt the most. Parry is still useful for different reasons, but buying safety against ragers or monsters isn't as important as stunlocking crushers and stopping mutants.
>>554374193>it was great but the parry is better in my opinionparry on psyker you build peril instead of spending stamina if below critical peril, its pretty great.
>>554371648>he doesn’t have his PC setup underneath his cabana ngmi
>>554374065Was extremely fast, had very easy to land rapid heavys that had good armor pen, a special that was also very fast and had insane stagger, and good crit.
>>554374065It used to be exclusive to psykers so it was pretty strong, then it was given to vet and zealot who had more melee talents to make it incredibly broken.
>poxburster running at me alone>push it away>OAFISH abhuman RETARD OGRYN fires a grenade behind it (probably thought he was going to headshot it) and knocks it into mePlayers who do this should be on a three strike system and on the third strike they die instantly irl.
haha made it before they could fix dodging, fuck you gunners
>>554375105It was pretty broken strong on psyker already, the average psyker just didnt know he has a melee weapon so you never saw anyone rape with it t. oneshot crushers on CIVI before anyone else could
>get netted>3 teammates just standing there all fighting the same 10 enemies>not killing any of them>I'm literally right there waiting to be picked up>die>spectate>arbite is shooting the floor around enemies with shotgun>ogryn just holding shield up doing nothingI thought this guy was doing a no left click challenge or something I swear to god he didn't attack until the second half of the mission
>>554375581he's TOOOOONKING, alright?
It'd be nice if the crowbar made armored parts you hit with the pry count as not armored for a bit. As if you were peeling the armor off them.
>>554376208That would take effort.
>>554323148You can take both althoughbeit?
Thoughts on Overload + Energy Leakage on relic blade?
The mention of CIVI reminded me of an old but unrelated interaction I had. >quick play damn, its 3 friends and me >good game but im a way better ogryn bc im neet>my pal is honest to emperor shield planting>win and I ask if they need a 4th and they invite me and their ogryn happily switches off>have fun running auric, never had before that night>run extra barrels and bursters or some other obscene retarded shit>win but it was tiring>CIVI is up and I know that from damnation maelstrom>one guy is excited at CIVI and the other two say its an unfun modifier>try to convince them to come anyway since its actually the best modifier and they just havent clicked with it yet >no luck>end up running it with just the one guyThat night I just found that interaction curious. How can you prefer the dumbest fuggin shit like more barrels and bursters, call CIVI unfun, and go to bed still believing yourself to be a man.
>>554376208You mean... apply brittleness? If only there was a way for the crowbar to apply brittleness...
>quickplay damnation>3 matches in a row enter with less than a wound of health or downed immediately after I spawn in
>>554379153Gillade du det?
>>554377390Sure, the trait is nice but thematically I feel like it'd be better to have it be 100% but only on the part you hit. Extra points if it visually made the armor chunk disappear.
man you can pull off some stupid stuff with martyrdom zealot
How is this node real
>log in>queue into The Torrentmany such cases
>>554379279
>>554381790Throneside is a much worse offender.
Andy? Could it be?
>>554331302>mfw the shitters get filtered by raximilian dragor's rules of war such as "always keep killing shit"
>>554347190>can opener into hip firingno don't do thatuse can opener to put the brittleness stacks on an enemythen switch into your meleehaving 16 stacks of brittleness on tap makes even the cleaver hit hard through armor
Particularly good missions for finding Diamantine?
>>554387215nonparticularly bad missions are the train
CHOO CHOO
>>554377207what the fuck is CIVI we play havoc here
>no man's land>me vet and 3 psykers>2 are flame staff one is scriers recon las>get through first trench easy, get to first open area of ruined buildings>lots of gunners, plasma, and flamers>run from ruin to ruin, laspistol into plasma and gunners as I go to the next ruin>we were all together at first>get to medicae, look behind me>the 3 psykers nowhere to be seen>they ran back into the ruin where the drop down was to fight the horde>plague ogryn, 3 plasma, and 5 gunners jump over wall next to me
Couldn't find a class that clicked with me but then I tried ogyrn and got the lmg at lvl 6 and I think I'm in love. I'm gonna go full gunner
>>554389349grim
>>554389349don't let anyone tell you that you can't use it in auricsdefinitely won't be able to use it in havocs though (rip), but you don't have to worry about those for now
>>554388959I hate that open area with the ruined buildings because you can just go right and get through it in 15 seconds but everyone always gets lost, goes left/toward the medicae, and spends like 3-5 minutes there fighting piecemeal groaners.
>>554389349we lost another one
>>554387215Orthus Offensive has crates full of materials outside the elevator leading up to the final bossfight, diamantine included. You could speedrun the map hammering the twats as needed, maybe even just taking the mats then leaving though I'm not 100% sure if that works.Mortis Trials also hand out materials at the end, scaling with difficulty, but OO feels faster to farm.
>>554389849What I dont get is how passively they were playing. Flame psyker you need to be aggressive, especially against groups of gunners. Slide dodge close then venting shriek to knock them over and get your burn going, get empathic evasion procing while you stagger them all to death. You need to he aggressive to get into the flame staff range, the more you waffle the more shit the director will throw at you.
>>554368543>Where is the skill issue?at fatshark's offices
>>554370724MKIV on veteran(because it's blue) MKVII on zealot(because it's black)those fit my other cosmetics best so that's why I like them
>>554377207>How can you prefer the dumbest fuggin shit like more barrels and bursters, call CIVI unfun, and go to bed still believing yourself to be a man.we identify as women nowget with the times, chuddy
>>554389349If you want to never stop shooting, you should take ranged scum pill
>>554391482The mk7 is slight orangish brown though?
>>554389349>. I'm gonna go full gunnerGood luck being a useless annoying trash.
>>554377071They're shit.
>>554389349>another worthless looger hoovering up all the ammoAH LOOOOOOGGING
>>554389349based
>>554399354WHAT THE FUCK IS AN AMMO?t. Havoc Scoom
>>554399965That thing you run out of when you're busy shooting trash and I keep preventing you from proccing pickpocket! :D
>>554400035>and I keep preventing you from proccing pickpocket! :Djust press desperado lol
>>554400171Hey!
Give ogryn heavy bolter.
I consider it a sign of great respect if a player uses a stimulator on me to increase damage.I do it myself sometimes for other players who do well.
>>554402045It's actually just faster
>>554402102Use a stim on another player? This is an almost impossible task in battle due to timing issues. I used a health stim on a zealot in a previous mission, but I got into a scum, I still don't know how it happened.
>>554402293Skill issue
/coopeg/ would never kill all rats, because anon secretly tsundere loves rats.
>>554402378Oh I LOVE rats alright...
>>554402045People always give me red when I'm psyking, I think there's just an expectation that all the crushers are erased when that happens (they usually are)
>>554402378Throw me in the breeding pits and I'll come back a father
>>554402045Sometimes I don't understand why people red stimm me. Like I do stimm psykers when shit hits the fan, but getting stimmed as a vet or ogryn feels weird.
>>554371650why is it so warm in sweden I though they had long winters? its 8°F in michigan right now.
>>554404014I have a kill and damage tracker running and whoever is in the top spot gets the stim.
remember everybody its ROCK and STONE not COCK and BONE, praise Karl.
>>554405445thank you maxor
>>554405445if they don't release new overclocks or do significant balance changes, I really just do not care about season 6
>>554405445More like bore and snore.
Give scum an LMG and I'll be a happy man
>>554404348Like most of Sweden's population, Stockholm is very coastal and in the southern half of the country. Much like in the USA, the cold snowy places are northern bumfuck nowhere hickville.
Dang. The Voidblast and Inferno staves feel good. I sure hope Electrokinetic and Voidstrike are just as good.
do people actually use the party finder?
>>554407493>he doesn't knowOh no no no! He doesn't play havoc!
>>554407521i might if i can recover from the fucking brain damage that trying to get the shitty blue helmet caused me
>>554305082if you're carrying they'll relax and then fall apart after you die. this is old wisdom passed down from aeons. if you can't up the difficulty then just browse on your phone every now and then to make them play the game.
>>554407670Now you can get the same helmet but in black!
>still no new hotfix
Best female hive scum voice?
>>554405592They specifically do not want this new team to touch any of the balancing. Which is a fucking joke considering the state of perks and half the overclocks.I cannot defend GSG anymore. Fuck me at least fartshart updates their games.
>>554409975I don't like any of the hive scum voices male or female but I think I picked female bounty hunter because she sounded the least annoying
>>554411772i think bounty hunter sounds cute desu
is .exe stance important for Recon lasgun build or can i safely go with crutch of command?
A friend has convinced me to come back to DT so starting up an arbites to level with them. Haven't been keeping up with the game, is dog or no dog usually the way to go? Or I guess more directly I want to frontline with mace and shield while keeping the dog how much am I shooting myself in the foot for that approach? Also best male voice? Kinda drawn to fatalist's clear voice but I worry mister burnt out won't have good bantz.
>>554412295Exe stance is what actually elevates the recon lasgun into a niche that no other gun can reach (DPS raping everything but carapace, including hordes, with cleave headshots). Otherwise it'll forever remain in the laspistol's shadow.>inb4 why laspistolShock Trooper approaching 100% crit with Deadshot and Reciprocity. Learn to aim at heads. Bring kraks for armor.
>>554412494>is dog or no dog usually the way to go?50/50, personal preference. They are both good options. The dog is good even if you ignore it and just let it do its thing. >I want to frontline with mace and shield while keeping the dog how much am I shooting myself in the foot for that approach?not at all. I recommend giving the dog the electrocute talent. Helps with damage, and makes it stun enemies fro you.
>>554412494>is dog or no dog usually the way to go?Yes dog, usually. Dog reigns supreme in the lower difficulties. In the higher difficulties it does want a bit of micro managing to be optimal. If you absolutely despise micro management, LW + grenades is surprisingly strong. LW + mines is a crutch for bad players and belongs mostly in havoc 20-34 exactly, and not a single level higher. >I want to frontline with mace and shield while keeping the dogFlashbang shield is kind of the best weapon on the class. Cowering behind your shield makes aiming the dog at snipers easy. Having dog as a missile equivalent brain burst lets you get away with bringing your best gun, the shotgun. It's a very good build.>fatalistTHE LEX IS THE LEX.Also for the love of god please do picrel as the BARE MINIMUM to avoid bricking your build. The two +15% damage nodes on the far right are also excellent, but not quite as strong as this exact pathing. Skip none of these.
>>554412295VoC is more than fine on recon builds. It's still the obvious vet ability pick either way.>>554412494Dog with the dogsplosion blitz is good, so is going dogless with the shock mine. You're spoiled for choices.>>554412559Recon lasgun has good shock trooper synergy too, since every shot rolls for a crit, but whenever you get a crit it applies to two shots in succession.
>>554412852Recon las has worse Shock Trooper synergy than the las pistol, because it has worse base crit rate, and a higher rate of fire, which naturally drains Deadshot faster. Even if you use the brown (slower firing) one like you are supposed to.Blue recon las spam obviously doesn't go Deadshot, but at that point you're just an ammo vacuum.
>>554412965It's okay to take some ammo, forcing your build to get as much crit chance as possible without any compromise isn't the be-all end-all.
>>554412852>every shot rolls for a crit, but whenever you get a crit it applies to two shots in successionThat's not how chained crit works
>>554413312i don't plan on playing vet in havoc since it's my weakest class. Can't remember the last time I saw a team with ammo issues in auric so i don't care about being maximally ammo efficient.
>>554413312Even so, the laspistol has the recon las beat, because it completely erases monsters, which are a surprisingly huge problem for quickplay babbies to handle if you don't just instagib them.
>>554413805recon does just fine against monsters. And krak grenades exist.
>>554414198Correct, but the difference is still night and day. Try shooting a monster in the weak spot with perma crit las pistol, it just dies in seconds, it's hilarious.
>>554414271I can give it a shot if I see Maelstrom I-II. Do you have a build for it?
>>554413805I've only really felt that way in 3veg and sub 30 havocs, other than that the bosses are either sparse enough it's not that big of a deal, or the players are competent enough to not immediately fold in on themselves when monstrosities are on the field.
>>554414405It's as simple as it gets.Literally just unyielding, dumdum, infernus on the gun. Other perk can be whatever you like, 5% crit is fine, I personally prefer maniacs.Build it like you would the recon las, with Opening Salvo above the auras, Deadshot & Precision strikes on the left, into Shock Trooper, and Reciprocy on the right. You need a stamina engine, so you go piss mark with the stamina node. Bring at least 1 stamina curio, regen perks are up to you (I don't use them).
>its a vet without shout>its a zealot without chorus>its a cummer without meds>its an ogryn without taunt>its an arbitrator with a ranged build
>>554414765>>its a vet without shoutDon't care>it's a vet without field improvI hope you die IRL
>>554414559thanks
>>554414765>>its a cummer without medsI don't bring meds if we have a beacon of purity zealotWhich I always regret because this faggot dies first
>>554414765It's been 30 fucking years.
>>554414765These days I actually like seeing charge zealot more, agree on the rest though.
These days I actually like not seeing zealots
>>554414765>bring medcrate>teammates avoid it
>>554414765I always take execution stance smoke vets provided its not rotten armor because without fail, they always seem to be the best players I've ever seen. If they take the helbore then I know he's not retarded.Stealth zealot is ok if I notice we dont have much in the way of unyielding damage otherwise with a goofy comp, goofmaxxing can save a stupid comp to make it very viable.If it's not blight, I don't care what the cum brings as long as he brings his hiv infected needles.I don't accept arbis. Easily the only class that brings literally fuck all to the table worth caring about.
>>554416040>I don't accept arbis. Easily the only class that brings literally fuck all to the table worth caring about.Aquila is a bigger team damage amp than you might realize, dog locks down stimms, pink, etc. and deals with specials well (with some micro), flashbang + stun shotgun + mines (yes, dog and mines) is about as much lockdown as you can ask for.It's slightly on the weaker side of things, but still a solid sidegrade to a good ogryn. Also tanks bosses indefinitely without needing room to move, as long as they're not being raped by mutant or flamer spam.
>>554414765But boltgun fun t. arbybarbie
>>554412710>>554412821>>554412852Appreciate the advice lads I'll dedicate this next beating of lex-breakers to you lot
HAVOCHAVOCHAVOCHAVOCHAVOCHAVOCHAVOCHAVOCHAVOCHAFUCKROTTENARMOURHAVOHAVOHAVOCHVOAVHAVOCH27 yes i got demoted shut the fuck up you fucking rotten armour piece of shiEU4944749582
>>554416040i'm so used to metaslavery because it's what hosts usually demands. The one time i joined a goofmaxed team it was like a whole new world. My poor staffpsyker could barely keep up with the movement speed. Had I known they were actually good gamers I would have used a different build.
>>554416289I'll hop on in like 10 minutes, give me time to finish brewing my tea
>>554416362fucking weak, i already am drinking mine green tea & mint
pathetic.
>>554416289I'd play with you if that was vermintide
>>554414765ranged arbitrator is the meta and people are going to have to accept that
>>554417032couldn't get into vermentide no matter how much i tried it honestly, idk whether the gameplay seems simple (SEEMS not IS) or its the fact its fantasy warhammer and not 40k, the talent tree also seems very linear and doesnt give much creativity compared to darktideim gonna get rat attacked for this opinion arent i
>>554417128The havoc 20-30 meta also involves wiping every 3 games and never climbing, while havoc 40 plays arbitrator either as pure melee or as 1:1:1 hybrid.
>>554406058This this this>>554402378Weird jew post
>>554417378mm yes my 15th vet build featuring ammo aura, shout, and regenerating grenades with which I shoot my plasna gun into the crowd of elitesso creative so complex! waiter? more please!
>>554417378Squeak-Squeak motherfucker
>>554418415the means of being creative is just there, just because "free thinkers" pick the exact same thing doesn't mean anything lolmy most fun way of playing vet is weapon specialist shotgun and combat knifevermentide has like 6 lines of choosing one of 3 skills if im not wrong, im not playing it off like i know what im talking about just that the game doesnt seem interesting for me
>>554414765What do you mean "meds"? Like their own stimm or the medbox? Because you can go fuck yourself if you honestly think I'm taking of Despacito to fix YOUR fuckups.
>>554416289Haha wow she’s such a talented musician just listen to those lyrics haha :)
>>554419081ehm no, you are my dealer. You are here to give me drugs.
>>554418813each choice is more meaningful than the ones in dt, so it really amounts to similar buildcrafting just with less shitty balance because fatshart has fewer things to keep track of
So how do the Forge Worlds work exactly? Those random names on our weapons like Agripinna are the names of them right? Are they like AdMech home bases? Do they have specialities or some kind of hierarchy in importance? How many are there?
what's the mod that shows the damage of every attack in a melee combo among other things?
>>554420218its a planet thats been turned into a giant factory, like graia is the planet thats invaded in sm1, agripinna is part of the cadian gate.theyre pretty much under the control of admech, depending on the stcs they have they produce a variety of things
>>554420218Planet sized factories ran by the technophiles. The internal hierarchy of the toaster fuckers is practically decided by how much good shit you can churn out of your factory and different worlds have different STCs and whatnot so they make different shit and in different configurations. Not even GW knows how many there are, but only a few are actually lore-important like Mars, Graia and Stygies.
>>554421301No wonder a lot of those LARPing NEEEERRRRDS love factorio so damn much (it's a great game)
>>554422131im more of an oni player, you have to be really careful or else accidentally release 500kg of carbon dioxide gas in your base, a tile tries to settle to 2kg of gas
20 years in the Astra Militarum.
>>554422131Factorio just needs some bodyhorror and mysticism and it would be an admech game but then it would be gangraped to death by GW lawyers.
>>554420218Forge Worlds were founded by the Mechanicus to be imitations of Mars, basically giant factories filled with technophiles and mechadendrites, more so than other worlds that are used to manufacture shit, Forge Worlds are planet sized temples to the machine god, and as such usually produce the more advanced technology the Imperium makes use of. The Mechanicus itself is like a miniature empire within but separate from the Imperium at large, so they rule themselves. "Patterns" are pretty much the make and model of weaponry and vehicles, and usually bear the name of the Forge World they were produced on, since most of them have their own specifications from thousands of years of modifications to the basic template and the Mechanicus tradition of hoarding tech from one another, the most famous example is the different patterns of Baneblade a number of Forge Worlds produce, but it happens all the time with other weaponry.>How many are there?There's no precise number, they're kind of just made up when the plot demands it.
>>554423364I ate rash off my bolter instead
>regular auric quickplay>retard with true survivor title, havoc frame, havoc badge goes down>immediatly alt f4This will never not be funny
>>554424434>said anon, quietly seething with the knowledge that he will never achieve the bare minimum (True Survivor) and thus resorts to the coping mechanism of cherry picking out the retards that still play auric
i can quit nowdidn't have dlc classesworst things in the game>the psyker cliffhanger cancer which i did with 1 handed force sword, 3 stamina trinkets and shriek>ogryn magic bullet penance which would have been impossible without mortis trials>ogryn charge was not so bad because shield and mortis trials>was dreading the veteran one where you need to never miss and end the game with no ammo but they adjusted that to 90% and there is a double barrel shotgun nowoverall 0/10 fucking quitting now
>>554424619kek you wish :D
>>554423364>>55442443240k but everyone talks like italian mobsters would be amazing
>>554424630lmao you quit before the havoc set
>>554424807i might come back for that, black would be better
40k, but everybody is french
>>554424434i do this
>>554424630>>the psyker cliffhanger cancer which i did with 1 handed force sword, 3 stamina trinkets and shriekGot this one completely at random just by spamming voidblast circles in hab dreyko.>>ogryn magic bullet penance which would have been impossible without mortis trialsDid this in about 3 missions by setting region to south africa and never letting go of the trigger in sedition>>ogryn charge was not so bad because shield and mortis trialsRandom horde in auric damnation.>>was dreading the veteran one where you need to never miss and end the game with no ammo but they adjusted that to 90% and there is a double barrel shotgun nowAny shotgun (besides agripinaa) on a meme melee vet build makes it trivial.
>>554424969so it would be guardsmen arguing for years on how badass they are until a muslim with a knife shows up and they surrender?
>>554425218>auric damnationWhat.
I'm so fucking sorry.
>be tanner (((lindberg)))>known for constant shittalk>be on the verge of tears when your friend (propably actually he was the one being shittalked) got some bantsLMAOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iT_7QU3lIM&lc=Ugx9ohXBWUz2hg-WC1d4AaABAg
>>554426198it's just Tranner vs Khnadones AKA a retard vs a shitterMove along + 1 month old video kill yourself.
>>554420218>>554421296>>554421301>>554423642Stygies is my favorite I think. They literally just do whatever the hell they because they’re so important in Ultima that even the High Lords have to turn a blind eye to their xenophilic tendencies. They literally just loot Tau tech and shit in plain sight of the Guard and Navy Also, the fact that they regularly clash with Deathwatch kill teams because they’re so obsessed with Xenos tech and even regularly raid the Webway to search for the Black Library is so cool and funny to me.
Rat's been giventhYet the Rat can be takenth awayBeware
>>554427346rat's psyker build was bad and partially chewed
>>554425283It was a difficulty before the mission board rework.>sedition, uprising, malice, heresy, damnation>auric heresy, auric damnation
>>554427919That sounds so convoluted, I can see why they reworked it
>>554428086It was unironically better because people were scared of the big intimidating auric board and they didn't feel pressured to play it as much. Now that auric is the logical end of progression everyone thinks they must do it. This is why you have so many people whining miserably ITT about not being carried on weekends, and why you have so many more shitters on auric in the first place
you think FS will one day be able to create a satisfactory havoc experience? You know one where there isn't 48 crushers per meter, 4 bulwarks protecting 4 trappers while a flame bomber throw fire which never damages them?
>>554426923thats because the high lords of terra cant do anything to admech, admech is literally independent entity from the imperium, the amount of times an imperial investigator disappears while looking into forge worlds is very high
>>554403220>someone hits me with blue stimm as psyker>attack a fuck ton faster and peril myself
>>554428538That's reaching just a bit. The simpler and more likely explanation for why auric players have gotten worse is that the best players have mostly migrated to havoc.
>>554428612Not possible with the base framework of balance this game works with. I know it's easy to say "the game should be more challenging with less enemy spam" but explain how fighting less than 38 bulwarks could ever be challenging if you can just krak, burn, rocket, toxin or plasma them
>>554425274upvoted
>>554426923Xenophile characters (and really just radicals in general) tend to make for some of the coolest setups in the setting. That’s how we got Mechanicus which gave us one of the coolest conceptual clashes with the Addies and ‘Crons molesting each other.
>>554428704No because Havoc is fucking dead in my region, not a single mission is up at any pointThe reason aurics are worse now is because people fill a bar while playing damnation and when the bar is full it means "now you have to progress to auric" and no such thing existed before, auric was a bonus toggle with seperate boards. That's not a reach it's fact
>>554428887change at least some enemy design like the trappers working through a super dense horde or firebomber hurting his allies
I will not loose control!I will not!...*explodes*
>>554428612I'm already mostly okay with how high havocs play out, it's just rotten armour that cranks up the bullshit to disgusting degrees.
>>554429048Ok but then you're just making the game easier, how did you achieve satisfactory balance with that
>>554429038>No because Havoc is fucking dead in my region, not a single mission is up at any pointThat doesn't mean much, people are more likely to organize outside of the game for that than auric, and obviously the way party finder groups completely disappear from your perception vs auric missions always being hotjoinable creates bias as well.>The reason aurics are worse now is because people fill a bar while playing damnation and when the bar is full it means "now you have to progress to auric" and no such thing existed before, auric was a bonus toggle with seperate boards.Higher difficulties on the mission board are still a toggle, you just like this one less because you have worse experiences with it.
I appreciate that some weps have cool distinct movesets now, but I also miss the simple VT2 designed weps. Like why don't we have a wep that works like the 2h swords>lights cleave diagonally>heavies cleave harder diagonally>push attack has some armor penThat's it. Nothing more is needed. Or the 2h hammer>heavies for horizontal cleave and stagger>lights singletarget damage and armor penfin. Again I don't hate the weapons with more design but I also miss the simple ones. At least make it a mark
>>554429793>That doesn't mean much, people are more likely to organize outside of the game for that than auric, and obviously the way party finder groups completely disappear from your perception vs auric missions always being hotjoinable creates bias as well.Anon go on oceania servers. There are literally no havoc missions ever. It's not a matter of them being more rare. They don't existAnd i know some people play it together but I literally know those people and they're not playing it atm>Higher difficulties on the mission board are still a toggle, you just like this one less because you have worse experiences with it.How retarded are you? Is this concept really so hard for you? If Auric is placed in linear progression after damnation, it's viewed as the logical next step. If Auric is a toggle that changes the board and is presented as an alternate extra difficulty for tryhards, it's viewed as an extra that you don't have to do. Do you really not understand?
>>554429054Why do ESLs get oneshotted by lose vs loose?
>>554414765>I can't play the game without others acting as a crutch for my lack of skillQuite embarrassing really.
>>554425792i think the beanie looks cool
>>554429905>>heavies for horizontal cleave and stagger>>lights singletarget damage and armor pen>fin.literally the thunder hammerino my guy. Also one of the heavy eviscerators and the chain axes share the same simple moveset.
idk i don't lose aurics oftenmy contribution is anywhere from top to middle to even bottomi don't think people are that bad at the game, game not even hard
>>554430692This is an expression of embarrassingly low self esteem, have some pride in yourself man.
>>554430661no, the thunderhammers lights don't have armor pen, you need to use the shitty clunky specialI yearn for simple options. Fair enough with chain axes etc but where's my vermintide 2h hammer
Don't care if plasma gun is better, weapon specialist bolter is a lot more fun.
EZ gaem, we beat a 40 first try. Yep, first tryYes yes easy gaem
>>554431808Stop ghosting me.
>>554431808surely haha...was fun enough though and i felt like i pulled my weight this time
It all happened in about two minutes.Respect to veteran, we completed mission together.
dorktide is boring as fuck and if you like it you're gay
>>554430090>OCEYour people all play with Americans, that's why your region looks as dead as it does. It's like this in every online game.>If Auric is placed in linear progression after damnation, it's viewed as the logical next step. If Auric is a toggle that changes the board and is presented as an alternate extra difficulty for tryhards, it's viewed as an extra that you don't have to do. Do you really not understand?Yes, I genuinely don't understand why you're distinguishing like that. How was the auric board not the logical next step? It was presented very slightly differently, but it was literally still "difficulty go up", are you literally so sheepbrained that you think a little divider you just step over keeps you out? What the fuck.
>>554430291it's like the only word with 'o' that's pronounced like 'oo', I keep forgetting this shit
>>554432315If I'm gay, then why isn't your dick in my mouth? What now smart guy?
>>554432538say aaaah
you know what would be cool? Having more than one unique gun on vet.
>>554433143>plasma>helbore
>>554432508too / to / two trips people up for the same reasonwho / whom / whose is a different kinda beast(but also move, prove, shoe, english is a nightmare)
>>554432226lmao. Not even my company can rival this level of turnaround.
>>554430291English is a meme language.Why is stuff being moved on a ship called cargo? But when you move it by car it's called shipment?
>>554430495"What you're an Illuminati or something?"
Do you think there will be a space marine boss fight in the game? And do you think rejects can beat one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Ca9f6xTn4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Ca9f6xTn4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Ca9f6xTn4IT'S UP!
>>554433873>heh, you're as funny as you're beautiful, m'lady. You see actually, it's from a video game called Darktide. It takes place in a fictional universe set forty thousand years in the future...
>>554434519AdMech con-fucking-firmed.
>>554434519THE GOODOL
>>554434519>More cryptic bullshit for an update we'll see in six months after their multiple breaks
>>554433873NO I'M THE LEX YOU KARKING BITCH GET ON THE GROUND AND GET TAZED!
>>554434749
>>554434519>you see them burn? It's the Melta gunIt's happening
>>554434057I'm actually not sure Fatshark will even bother, but statwise a chaos marine is on par with a burgle, plagryn or chaos spawn I'm pretty sure, so there's no question our rejects can handle one. As a boss fight it's a likely pick, but I'd want plague marines more as an ultra elite enemy type that will spawn in squads in place of elite and specialist waves.
>>554434519so rad rifles.
>>554434519YOOOOH LET'S FUCKGN GO MELTA GUN FATSHARK FINALLY COOKED!
>>554434057>Do you think there will be a space marine boss fight in the game? no>And do you think rejects can beat one?yes because each and every one of us is the main character and we have names
>>554434519Never went anywhere, volkite weapons would be neat to have though
Look at the date, you fucking cretins
>>554435152thats what i was boutta say lol, actual idiots
>>554434519Guys, it's just a plasmagun, stop overreacting!- Fatshark
>>554434519You fucking had me, cunt.Laughed though.
>>554434541>Chad wearing this show up"Sup bitch wanna make out?">leaves with the dude wearin the psyker hat
>>554432473>How was the auric board not the logical next step?Because it wasn'tit went>Diff 1, Diff 2, Diff 3, Diff 4 OR Diff 4ex, Diff 5 OR Diff 5exso how can you possibly argue that aurics were just "literally linear difficulty up"?To begin with, you can have damnation missions that are 1:1 the same as auric missions whereas now it's literally just >Diff 1, Diff 2, Diff 3, Diff 4, Diff 5and you have to unlock each. Which also adds a lot to it. You didn't have to unlock aurics, you had access to them the moment you hit 30 which for the average player was before they were confidently beating heresy. Now you literally have a progress bar that tells you "AURICS unlocked! Go there now"
>>554435152it's funnier if you don't tell them
>>554434519WHO UP MELTING THEIR GUN?
>>554434057There’s too many variables to answer such a question. Will we ever get a plague marine? That’s up to GW and FS of course, and how well they’re able to contrive a reason for one showing up in the first place. Can we handle a Death Guard Marine as they’re consistently shown? From a pure lore perspective, it’s doubtful. Are there depictions of Death Guard Plague Marines that we can take? Probably. If they add one in, it should be a special finale that has it done in by a Thunderhawk or something would be a very fitting finale instead of wailing on one in some gimmick fight like the Twins. It all comes down to what GW is willing to green light and the way they’ll allow you to portray them.
>>554434057>look up plague marine>dies to a single kraklol lmao
>>554436737https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP5uzoeZ-lIif its not like this, its pretty bad
>>554437058The humble Vet strikes again
Could anyone recommend Veteran builds I can run while doing the penances for Fire Team and Close and Kill? Seems like every build is contingent on Survivalist to some degree.
>>554437443Take any veteran build, then just use the other aura.
>>554437443shocktrooper laspistol build, desperado and reciprocity, maybe even deadshot and tunnel vision. bang crits so you don't have to worry about picking up ammo, the rest of your team can take part of your share.
>>554434057beasts of nurgle are stronger than plague marines and we kill them regularly, marines are not as high on the foodchain as people often overstate
>>554438083forbidden esoteric knowledge that should remain arcane.
>>554435152hehe 'cretins'sounds like a type of pretzel
>>554437443Both are cleared so quickly it won't matter much.While you have Survivalist toggled off, though, consider going after Make Every Shot Count; grab a shotgun and your favorite melee, shoot stuff until you're empty, and then melee for the rest of the mission. Should be doable on Heresy, and it'll be a weight off your shoulders for later.
>>554436164>it went>>Diff 1, Diff 2, Diff 3, Diff 4 OR Diff 4ex, Diff 5 OR Diff 5exIt didn't go like that, because you were presented neither with the choice between d4 and d4a, nor d5 and d5a at the same time.>You didn't have to unlock aurics, you had access to them the moment you hit 30Are you even reading what you're saying? If aurics became available to you after you hit level 30, that means you UNLOCKED them by hitting level 30.Same as how you unlocked damnation by reaching level 15, heresy by dinging 8 or 9, I don't fucking remember, so on and so forth.You disingenuous fuck.
>>554208370
>>554370724atrox mk vii then skitarius, all light attacks with both the stacking strength blessingsit is fucking ridiculous. without skitarius you will literally not be quick enough to use it fully
thinking about buying one of the dlc classes, what roles do they fill?
>>554442812Arbitrator is UNGA and also BUNGA, the most brain off class of them all, and dog wins the game for you up to malice lmaoScum is the polar opposite, you're a glass cannon on crack cocaine.
>clear out the melee greeblers and pull out my gun to shoot the gun guys.>suddenly hear a whoosing sound as the steady stream of butt pox walkers begins taking back slots trying to pipe my neck.Why can't I use a gun and take cover in this game by the Emperor's ass cheeks? You wind up having a steady stream of pox walkers so taking the time to have a gunfight is pointless. You wind up having to spastically dodge around as you shoot targets. Not only avoiding bullets but the stream of poxxers slobbering over your glutes.
>>554442812arbitrator: frontline, stagger spamscum: special sniper, "support", dps
Has anyone else experienced a bug recently where the whoosh sound when you are about to get hit gets stuck playing repeatedly on a loop every second or two even when no enemies are targeting you? 600 hours in game and I have never experienced this before the most recent patch but it has happened 3 times to me now.
>>554443278That is where your team is supposed to work together to give you space to take out the ranged threats as you advance.
>>554443049>dog wins the game for you on the lowest 2 of 45 difficultiesuuuuh
>>554439996>Are you even reading what you're saying? If aurics became available to you after you hit level 30, that means you UNLOCKED them by hitting level 30.Yes and people were usually doing heresy by the time they hit 30, so they weren't concerned with unlocking an extra difficulty beyond damnation on a separate challenge board. I don't know why you have to be so intellectually dishonestRight now people grind through damnation and aurics are presented as the direct upgrade from that, directly on the right of it, as difficulty 5Even just the fact that old auric was NAMED damnation meant that people didn't feel like they HAVE to swap from damnation to a different damnationretarded nigger
>>554443719No seriously dog easily solos up to malice. At higher difficulties you have to start putting some effort in, although some foid recently did dog only auric.Dog is still good in the higher difficulties, it's more useful than most teammates even without manually controlling it. But you know how you sometimes ping a sniper for your team to hopefully take care of? The dog does it without fail.
>>554443932Speak for yourself, brother. Maybe the real problem in your auric missions is you after all.
It's so fucking scuffed that Well Oiled Killteam isn't tracking.
Have you tried the viral new Fatmangus build yet, coopers?
>>554445185Played the OG before it became the fatmangus meme.Used to be good when you could get CDR from taking health damage. Now it's just a good crutch. I wouldn't do 3x5% health curios when damage resistance is more useful if you want to meme survivability. Flamer and bomber resist make a huge difference.
>>554438823When it comes to accuracy, does it count each shot doing damage as a hit, or does it factor in each pellet individually?
>>554445845Hitting any pellet counts as a full hit as far as the penance is concerned.
I've played deep rock galactics and I have to say that this game is 50 times more difficult than darktide.Imagine that you are failing a mission because you got lost.
>>554444596>can't even readI wasn't complaining, I was explaining where the influx of shitters come from. Try to keep up, retarded nigger
>>554443684Oh I know generally whenever I see a teammate take out a ranged weapon I get my back to theirs and keep enemies busy. Just that the stream of greeblers feels like a cheap trick by the game. Whilst I get they need to maintain pressure; even l4D2 isn't so insistent on a constant stream from behind almost everywhere.
Whycome still no patch to fix bugged penances?
>>554448426Fatshark er lítit sjálfstætt félag, vinsamlegast skilja.
>>554448754Literally just change penanceWorks=false to penanceWorks=true, you can do it in five seconds.
>>554448426https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn_ILudLsKo
>>554448426padding gameplay, gotta wait til patchy to complete those penances :3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNu5VxPigwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNu5VxPigwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNu5VxPigwMAZOSI WILL RETURN...
>>554438432Beasts of Nurgle are not all uniformly strong by their very nature so that’s a faulty statement to begin with
>>554438432Correction, Marines are high on the food chain but this game totally disrespects the food chain.
>>554451085Why do they keep reminding me blacks exist
are rampaged + rotten armoured crushers supposed to be killable or...
>>554451085was that necessary to give her that accent? isn't that racist?
>>554451085Several questions.1) What do they mean by "Extract?" Are they saying it's an extraction shooter? Or are they saying it was extracted from the game? Why not just say it's a clip then?2) What is "Warhammer+"? What does the + indicate?3) What is the game even about? What genre is it?
How would you guys buff ogryn?I like him he, just sucks ass
>>55445192310 new weapons
>>554451571Yes, just bring dot psyker and scum :)
>>554452132
>>554451085these animations are so hilariously dogshit, both in animation quality and concept. It's kind of hilarious imagining a 40kid getting all giddy and cheering and clapping because of some sister of battle in an african accent going on about de fiah and de faaith
>>554451656It's an animation for the Warhammer streaming service retard there is no game
>>554451923Pox hounds and nets don't immobilize him, and he's resistant to knockbacks from shit like sniper kicks. As a start.
>>554451923Mutants stun themselves on you.If we can't get that by default, give it to the shitty center keystone and have it consume stacks to prevent the yoink.
>>554452253Dogshit advertising on their part if you can't even tell wtf it's about.
On heresy difficult, is there a functional difference between a 360 weapon and a 500 weapon?
>>554452478You're supposed to recognize it's WarhammerTM 40000kTM and get excited, not think about it
>>554452289Yeah, being able to (slowly) move while the net or poxhound hangs on seems like a natural perk of being big
>>554451085Can they PLEASE fire the tranny they keep putting on to help with these things you just know it was some wig wearing freak that had the idea for that accent
>>554451923Right now I feel like it'll never get into a place where it feels correctly balanced. So far it's only managed to swing from pathetically bad to disgustingly overpowered and back like a pendulum, and I don't see that ever changing.
>>554451923toughness regen on ranged hit node and a big dog companion like arbites
>>554453981Yeah I like the idea of the ogryn running around with the doggo on his back or stumbling around in the net, it's not like a huge thing but it may be the difference between winning and losing in the right moment. Arbitrator already kind of has this.
>>554451923Double the damage of every one of his weapons
>>554451923un-nerf the folding shovels
>>554451923New weapons that are actually on par with other class weapons>b-but he's meant to be the tankyou can't tank. It's fair he won't get as much offense to compensate for his stagger but his weps still need to be good
>>554457015>It's fair he won't get as much offense to compensate for his staggerActually that isn't fair. He pays for that already by having the worst dodges in the game, no dodge linger time, biggest hitbox and worst movement momentum, as well as really bad handling on his ranged weps
>>554457015>>554457252Thinking about it further, it should be like >hive scum: high mobility, high offense, low stagger>zealot: high mobility, medium offense, medium stagger>arbites: medium mobility, medium offense, high stagger>ogryn: low mobility, high offense, high staggerInstead it's more like >hive scum: super high mobility, super high offense, low stagger>zealot: high mobility, high offense, medium stagger>arbites: high mobility, medium-high offense, high stagger >ogryn: low mobility, low offense, high staggerThat's just the melee focus classes, ranged focus has different balancing thoughts. I'm just saying things fundamentally don't really check out because defense doesn't really play into it because every class has similar safety nets + mobility is an extremely valuable defensive tool
>>554452289>trapper shoots a net at ogryn>ogryn grabs the net, yoinking the trapperWould be very kino.
On the crusher is it good to run skullcrusher and thunderous for a giga support build?
>>554451923Constant, unstoppable, and flat toughness regeneration. He is always generating toughness by existing. No stupid little fucking minigames or gimmicks. The Ogryn just generates it by BREATHING.
>>554457946I run skullcrusher/slaughterer which makes it excellent at mixed horde clear, still has skullcrusher for support and gives it a bit mroe stagger to consistently rape ragers without activation
>>554457946If the team already has a source of brittleness, you can run Thunderstrike for maximum stagger memes.
>>554457834>Ogryn push attacks an oncoming net to pull the trapper in and put her in a headlock>Ogryn push attacks a pouncing poxhound to snap its neck>Ogryn push attacks a poxburster and can throw it like a grenade
Just lost a game because teammates were fingering their assholes farming green circles at the dead chaos tree thing because they forgot there's an entire gauntlet before extraction on that mission and blew through all their blitzes/ammo/etc.
>>554451923i wouldn'tthe game's balance is immaterial number shuffling bullshit because even normies with a 9-5 have done everything except havoci would lay off the balance team and repurpose the money toward more 3D artists and senior systems designersthere's only so much to be accomplished in player retention by tweaking under the hood shit and fatshark has overextended itself by miles in that area
>>554460701their patch notes log reads like a 10 year old indie game>fixed physics bug>moved object locations to avoid collision on map>changed distance scaling from 1.15 to 1.2>added visual indicator for edge case interaction>removed mechanic which nobody used, added it to other mechanic>MASSIVE talent tree redesign [combined some talents and cut wasted design space we're revisiting in the next paid content]
also kekikus maximus on how dead this general is between slop rotations and dlcsabused dog of a community
>>554461273this. kekaroo !
Remember... Don't eat muties!
Which sub nods is better for Chorus?
>>554462418I prefer TDR in h40 because it lets me get off undeserved clutch revives while under fire (especially with max revive speed curios).Damage is also good if you trust your team. Still no replacement for a Skullcrusher user.In auric, I'd actually run neither and put the point elsewhere, so you can squeeze out even more damage while not using it with its tiny uptime.
>>554462418i always go protection.
Apparently the endless mode for FBC: Firebreak just came out today and I haven't tried it yet, but it's clear now more than ever that the game is dead.
>ping glitch on arbitrator
>>554463097What truly went wrong? I played the closed beta and I didn't like it that much but I can't really explain why. One thing I do know is that the limited loadout sucked. Game felt like you should have been using 100 times more ammo than you were given.
>>554389716>>554389735>>554389865>>554397685>>554399354Just checked back in, what's wrong with ogryn gunner?
>>554463906I've played a lot of it and it's issue is that it has zero intensity at all. It feels sluggish and dry despite trying to do Deep Rock's 'rush objectives, fight hordes, get out' style of gameplay. It just has none of the zest you'd expect from that genre. It would've been much better as a L4D2 like which the levels are actually designed for.
>ping glitch on focus target vet
>>554464067Retards think that because most gunluggers are useless dogshit players, all gunluggers must be useless dogshit. They are also biased by their own dogshit experiences because they suck. We've had these retards for ages now.Gunlugger is perfectly mediocre and just about viable in auric, up to maelstrom. There are a couple good ways to do it, but my most important advice would be to still build to be good in melee, because you're very likely gonna need to do that half the time anyway.
>>554464124I really don't get the aversion some co-op shooters have to giving the player ammo and letting them go hog wild with it. Who wants to play a horde shooter where you can't shoot things?
>>554464067ogryn is a completely worthless class in the current balance, and being a GOONLOOGER just makes him even worse, but it's very popular with the level 1000 ogryn, covered in premium cosmetics, 1000 hour dipshit retard who is going to have a melty in aurics for some reason or another
>>554464583Sounds like someone got carried by a taunt ogryn and is salty about it.
>>554463097I think the biggest mistake is that it came out 6 years after Control released. It probably would have worked better as a DLC.A missed opportunity was not utilizing the setting as best they could. The Oldest House is a constantly shifting maze of bullshit and non-euclidean spaces. The levels could have lots of variation to them and change as the mission progresses. Alan Wake 2 showed that they have the tech available to do some very wacky things.
>>554464067not enough ammo in the game80s ability cd
>>554464682I've literally never even seen one
>>554462418I see the vast majority of people run damage and I do too. The thing it comes down to for me is that damage reduction sources stack multiplicatively so that 40% tdr is going to end up being more like 20% overall after your teammates' damage reduction sources and you're already giving them gold toughness and toughness on pulse anyway. Meanwhile that 30% damage will scale multiplicatively with their str bonuses and let you bulldog out of a situation with multiple bosses quicker
How are the combat axes these days? Just returned after a 1 year-ish break and the combat axe is the only well-rolled weapon I have.
>>554464475in a similar vein, Semi-Auto carpal tunnel simulators>just cheatduh
>>554464764This is part of what I think actually went wrong. Their audience is looking for singleplayer games and the Control audience specifically wants singleplayer action RPGS, not a horde shooter like Deep Rock.
>>554465170>damage reduction sources stack multiplicatively so that 40% tdr is going to end up being more like 20% overall after your teammates' damage reduction sourcesWell yeah but the thing more or less says "you take slightly more than half damage" so if they would've taken 10 damage after their damage reductions, they would take 6 after yours. Autisming over the mechanics is irrelevant, because it works both ways. With how many +% damage sources many classes have, 30% are effectively closer to 20%.
>>554461615Awful webm.>>554465504Pretty much. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of your target audience.
>>554465556well if we're really getting into minutae I'll just say me want bonk harder bigger damage more good all team
I only play class-specific weapons
>>554441935>skitariuswhat is that?
>>554451923give the ogryn an execution animation where you rip the trapper in half or squash her head with your fist or swing her around as a temporary melee weapon
>>554468036New keystone that gives you execution animations on stunned <30% HP enemies, executing them gives you gold toughness
>>554468036a blitz that lets you pick up man sized enemies and throw them would be fun
Any news from fatshark?
>>554465308Solid workhorse option. It might not be the best weapon for a build, but it is never the wrong weapon.
>>554469375Let them cook
is there a way to know the cleave value of each attack on a weapon?
>>554469375of course notwhat do you think this is, a live-service game?
>>554470598not sure, ask someone else maybe?
>alt tab back in to the game>everyone in the mourningstar does a collective "for the emperor" cheeranyone one else had this happen
>>554470598https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PtPcw4m4YtO_IcEkFlJJOBVWCYDEIeCKJRYLT4SmLc0/htmlviewthe wartide calc hasn't been updated for ages, this doc has dlc classes/weapons
>>554472369thank you anon
>>554472369arby mauls have more cleave then ogryns clubs, wtf
>>554216657Anyone and I do mean thisANYONE who says anything but Dark Eldar is lying to me
>>554472369No one told me the slab shield's heavy2 has infinite cleave
>>554479392It also has infinite nodamage
>>554462418I've never understood the damage reduction augment because you're making your team invuln anyway
I just ran 5 Havocs in total. Three with the same teammates of "off-meta" stuff from Havoc 28-30, all successful with only 1 death. The team disbanded. Then, I ran a Havoc 23 with a mostly meta team, of 3 others who were immediately yapping over comms. We died in like ~10 minutes or so because they were yapping and not paying attention. Then a Havoc 21, also a mostly meta team, and I watched our Psyker blow up a barrel that sent me flying off the edge and then 2 seconds later blow up another barrel that killed our low HP Zealot.All I've come to conclude about this stupid game mode is that the only thing that matters is if you get lucky on your team draw
Are you supposed to spam light attacks on tac axe even when fighting against carapace?
>>554481651Yes
>>554420218Exact number is unknown Forge Worlds Gryphonne and Tigrus are gone. They’re massively important to the Imperium because they’re such vital nodes of industry to the entire sector they’re located in. RIP.
>>554466603This but I only play Ogryn.
>>554486136I'm me (you)
>>554472357It happens occasionally. There's another where the vox says something about a ration shipment being delayed and all the Ogryn will briefly complain.
Huh? How'd that happen?
>>554486430Rounding.
>>554486430Some of the 80%s are actually some small fraction below 80, and that's enough to get your dumpstat to round to 61.No idea why they even bother generating the stats to any decimal place rather than whole numbers.
leaving havoc at a win and going to bed feels pretty cozy, good night everyonetwins almost threw everyone off the bridge at the end of dark communion D:
>>554486874I can't believe it's not optimal. Into the trash it goes.
Why do people think the combat blade is bad
>>554488680I have never in any capacity ever heard anyone refer to it as badit has bad horde clear because it's not supposed to be used for that, but in return you get a morbillion other busted bonuses
>>554486989Good night cutie good work out there today *pats ur bum*
>>554488680Noone with a brain thinks knife is bad, but the average knife player is a drooling retard that makes the weapon look like shit.
>>554488680who are these people?
>>554489457I am these people.
>>554479643>>554479392People have been saying htings like "on extreme havoc density the heavy2 becomes useful" and that's why, it applies bleed to every enemy hit there too
*braces gun*
>multiple ogryns on my teamI leave.
>>554492336multiple Ogryns is a stay. they use their weapons and don't run off on their own. I can work with that
As a hive scum, what are some methods to take down crushers. Other than using rocket of cause.
>>554493930The Aids gun and just headshot a couple of times with it.
>>554493930stab them in the face with shivs
>>554464067Loogers do nothing but consume all the ammo doing a job other classes do better at the cost of doing their actual job really badly, and therefore do not belong in Havoc, or even Auric, but they insist on cursing your runs with their presence anyway.
How would you nerf scum?
>>554496248pickpocket only triggers on melee kills, or, 45s cooldown
>>554493930Grab em by the pussy
>>554496248I wouldn't do a single nerf to them, I would give them them the buffs they needAnd that's what no one did
>>554372483>everyone still has godmode while slidingthat's not a bug, it was done to combat fatshark spamming 20 gunners at once
>>554496837It was because they couldn't fix a specific bug in hiv cummer talent node that extends his dodge window or something so they just gave that node to everyone for free except for ogryn because FUCK ogryn I guess.
>>554496953>node to everyone for free except for ogrynI will never understand their rationale for this, do they just expect every ogryn to have a shield
>open party finder>see a havoc party 3/4 all zealot>decide to swap to zealot>loading back into the morningstar takes ages>decide to restart game>party is goneFucking SWEDES and their always online hub BULLSHIT
>>554497091lack of nimbleness is meant to be one of ogryns main drawbacks but they dont have enough beef to justify it. Problem is this>Ogryn feels like shit on havoc because not enough beef to make up for the ponderous movement>Ogryn beef gets buffed>Ogryn can now afk through malice>Ogryn beef gets nerfed again and feels like shit on Havoc again Believe it or not they did this whole cycle twice so far.
>>554496248All scum weapons have reduced damage and critical rates
>>554497494Ogryn has all the downsides of being a giant hulking beast with none of the upsides>Bigger hitbox>Slower movement>Tinier dodge windows>Get stuck on fences that should be easily climbable>Feels like absolute shit to play>All AOE effects apply the same to him including flamers pushback, bursters knockback and grenadiers slows>Gets outdamaged by pretty much everyone even in melee>His only job is to stagger shit and knock them around while your team kills itIt's in a really weird spot because of the insane powercreep other classes got.He's a tank in a game were tanking is useless because deleting shit before it can touch you is the only meta.
>>554497397You can change class after joining a strike team, dummy, you should have joined first, then asked if you could switch to zealot for the funny team.
>>554497781>>His only job is to stagger shit and knock them around while your team kills itand even this niche has been outclassed by the arbites
can they not just apply a passive nerf to ogryn below auric or whatever? if thats the reason they cant buff them for havoc ":viability"
>>554497981Too complex for fartshart
Holy fuck what is that tranny "female" zelaot voice I just heard this last game?Actually disgusting.
>>554497781>all the downsides of being a giant hulking beast with none of the upsidesThis is heavy characters in every game because devs hate fun unless it's the kind of fun they like and make concessions for>noooo you cant just ignore things because they are too small to hurt you>meanwhile untouchable dexfags fly at mach 3
>>554497981Having a class not work as expected is a bad thing. Just buff the Ogryn to Havoc viability, that maximum difficulty is the only thing they should be balancing classes against, not fucking Malice of all things.
This is so fucking ass.
>>554499557Anon the balance team is infamous for playing on uprising and balancing shit by plugging numbers into an excel spreadsheet.All swedes do the same shit Helldivers devs removed the permanent difficulty indicator on the HUD because their balance team got clowned on for playing on like diff 2.
>>554499662Your laspistol sir?
>>554499683Whatever excel spreadsheet they're using is clearly off because Ogryn isn't Havoc viable in practice.
>>554499662Use a Revolver and go for headshots
>>554499662>take revolver>melee something>shoot nearest elite in the face>repeatIt should be steady gain.
>>554499801>>554501370>>554501389Laspistol is kinda fun actually.
>>554499662>shoot any enemy>switch to knife with 50+ crit>click heads for 10 seconds
>>554502361It's specialists and elites only so most of them will already have been deleted by a hivcum before you get into melee.
>>554502521>hivcumDECLINED
>>554505095>>554505095>>554505095You know the drill.
