Orange Moa edition!Two anime series, Dragon Ball Super: BEERUS and Dragon Ball Super: Galactic Patrol, have been announcedAge 1000 game project announcedXenoverse 2's Future Saga Ch. 3 is outFighterZ new balance update is outGekishin Squadra is out. Cooler is currently the free weekly character.AGE 1000 TEASERhttps://youtu.be/pLscMRafsLISPARKING ZERO NEW DLC TEASERhttps://youtu.be/SZhl5-ag0tAGEKISHIN SQUADRA BARDOCKhttps://youtu.be/vgqyxN0Kce4KAKAROT DAIMA PT.2 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/ZY6OAh_7KYwXV2 FUTURE SAGA CH.3 LAUNCH TRAILERhttp://youtu.be/FtxSegpS7TI FIGHTERZ SS4 DAIMA GOKUhttp://youtu.be/fVtdkNqbiKE?t=96>Useful links:https://rentry.org/dft79XV2 news:>Future Saga 4 DLC on the way, release date TBASDBH News/Resources:>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24>SDBH Database: https://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/>Deck Autism: https://rentry.org/sdbhdecklistDBSDV news:>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefileIf you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.Kakarot:>Daima DLC Part 2 will release on January 15thDB The Breakers:>Season 9 launched with DBZ Broly Raider>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry herehttp://xenoverse.booru.org/Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)Thank youLAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>555451336
What are we expecting for the new Dragon Adventure mode in Sparking?
>>555966383Gohanfags will finally win
>>555966635What will they win?
>>555967167Relevancy
Dr. Gero who didn't know what a Super Sayian was, and according to some (wrong people) didn't know what Frieza's power level was, built his weakest (non-movie) artifical human capable of one shotting mecha-Frieza
>>555970318I like to liken Gero to those slop fanfic protagonists who grind super duper hard and oneshot all the opponents. Except Gero was planning to fight a goku who was maybe as strong as goku just arriving on namek at most so im not sure wtf he was on.
>>555970318>and according to some (wrong people) didn't know what Frieza's power level wasHe shouldn't, though? His computer clearly did know because of the spy drones but if he knew what frieza's power level was he would know about super saiyan, because trunks was there to fight frieza. I'm not even sure he so much as knew frieza existed
>>555970779>I'm not even sure he so much as knew frieza existedAnon... can you recite the component parts of Cell for me.
>>555970318We know Gero didn't know about Freeza because he would know of SS then, dumbass. Or do you think he was watching the whole thing but conveniently stopped before Goku and Trunks went SS?
>>555970928Anon I brought up the spy drones in my previous post, I know about Frieza and Cold being in Cell. Dragonball itself says that Gero delegated that task to his computer, as it would take too long to manage personally, given he doesn't know about super saiyan it would make no sense for him to know about frieza. As both were in the same place at the same time
>>555970928I don't know if you are an amerifat or a frogcuck and your anime version fucked up here too, or if you just don't remember, but Cell was created by Gero's computer, Gero himself was working on other stuff while his computer crafted Cell. For Gero to know about Freeza but no SS he would have to selectively watch only certain parts of Freeza's first visit to Earth.
>>555971134>>555971384Where the computer find the cells then? Little Frieza bits found over a year after the fact?>>555971384>>555971102Or maybe exceedingly high power levels destroy scouters and scouter like devices?
>>555971509Anon the spy drones. It has spy drones watching everything the z fighters do and has it collecting samples right after the battle is over. Cell literally points it out and piccolo destroys one
>>555971598...so the computer with it's own spy drones watched this happen, while Gero had one spy drone assigned to himself and he refused to check the ones he assigned to the computer?
>>555966383People believe it's a second Story Mode but I don't think so since there seem to be battles against Scouter Vegeta and Perfect Cell active on the map at the same time
The Relavent page in question
>>555971771No? Gero himself has not been looking at what the Z fighters have been doing at all since Saiyan Saga, as he felt confident he would be able to gauge goku's strength given the data he had since red ribbon up to that point.
>>555971797>Dr Gero didn't clue you in *he* employed spy robots...Why did Cell start referring to the computer suddenly, with a undenoted pronoun. The claim is Gero never saw Frieza.
>>555972313well, yes. Gero was obviously the one to create the spy drones as well as the computer that made cell. The question here is whether or not he was checking them, Which he obviously did not going by his reply in the page above
>>555971509Spy flies, Cell literally shows us one. The whole process was automated by Gero, he didn't know what kind of beings he was stealing from.
So, gamewise, anything happening for xenoverse 2, breakers or anything? Genshiki, Kakarot and Sparking Zero just got new stuff
>>555972479No he did not say he was not checking them, he says he did not follow them to Namek. Mecha Frieza showed up on Earth.
>>555972830His reply that he has a total grasp of their power and technique kind of implies he has no reason to ever check them anymore, anon. Like this isn't even some kind of plot hole It's literally just that he got overconfident and didn't check the cameras after Saiyan Saga
>>555972830And if he had checked what happened to Freeza he would have seen the Super Saiyan. Two of them in fact. He didn't know what that thing was so he clearly didn't see Freeza and Cold.
>>555973030Goku also trained in super saiyan during the three year gap if the chapter splash page is to belived too. He had multiple instances to see it if he was checking the cameras Also as a complete nonsequitor, why was Gero trying to hide his identity from the z fighters wtf was up with that. It's not like it was some kind of big twist for the readers anyways given it's very casually revealed by 17 and 18
>>555973030>And if he had checked what happened to Freezahow if he can detect power levels those devices would be destroyed.
>>555973732He can't sense powerlevels, anon. None of the androids sans 16 can. If he could sense powerlevels he would know immediately that goku is way stronger than he aught to be
>>555973732We don't know if he could, but even if he did I don't see why would the scouter break, Android 16's own not!scouter didn't break, why would Gero's? We aren't talking about Kinoko's shitty job
>>555966383>>555971773I don't think it's a story mode, but the usage of an overworld map does make it seem like a bigger mode than either Mission 100 or Survival. Maybe it's some sort of souped-up version of Sim Dragon that for some reason has an overworld?
>>55597381816 is surely older than Age 764, or did Gero build 16-Himself in the three year time skip too.>>555974554The artifical humans have not!genki, so 16 can have energy sensing techniques powered by himself. Nobody with energy sensing abilities has ever been shown to explode when exposed to subsequently high power levels. Are the Bee robots going to be shooting not!genki energy blasts?
>>555975294If it's like BT2 it seems fun, but if it's just flying around the map with random battles spawning there needs to be more rewards otherwise there's no point. They really shot themselves in the foot not making this the default story mode you play through the story with, that's what made the original so great
>>555975447>The artifical humans have not!genkiOnly 17 and 18, because they're improved humans and not robots like 16 is. Artificial humans is actually a misnomer when applied to them specifically
>>555970318>>555970631All Gero knew about Goku was this really>got one-shotted by an assassin, three days later 'killed' said assassin>destroyed an entire army only an hour after that>(almost) won the tournament for the title of STRONGEST PERSON ON THE PLANET>fought a demon immediately after, nearly died>at the rematch, Goku one-shotted said demon>fought another demon, the literal worst thing to ever attack Earth in its history by that point, and Goku 'died'>only a couple days later, Goku completely overpowers said demon>three years later he is unimaginably more powerful>five years later, Goku literally dies fighting someone in order to win>one year after that, he is so much more powerful that he basically one shots a guy five times as strong, and then goes toe to toe with the strongest guy to ever show up on EarthIf I was Gero, I would fucking estimate Goku's power to be in the heavens by the time I'm done, and then set my killbots to be twenty times as strong so Goku doesn't bullshit his way to victory like he has done every single time before.
>>555976367To be fair to Gero, his actual power growth through all this is actually pretty low as far as power levels go. The before and after of namek is FAR, FAR larger than anything goku was shown capable of doing ever before. The real wtf was why did he assume this clearly non human person who does not and never has operated like a human would have their power growth slowed down in his 30s like a normal human would. As far as Gero knows he's biologically immortal
>>555975447>not!genkiThe cyborgs? Sure why not. But 16 is 100% machine, he's just an intelligent toaster, he doesn't have anything resembling a real life form, he reads power as a machine would. And yeah assuming Gero could make the machinery small enough, the spy robots would fire energy just like 16 does, there's no reason to think they couldn't.
>>555976323No let's try that again. 16, 17, 18, 19 and 20 are all in the category called "Artificial Humans" we can call them group Y because the name isn't important. All members of group Y, demonstrate a power set based around something that is not Genki, but functions similarly to Genki, but is not Genki. They can fire Altki blasts, they have altki enhanced strength, they can all use altki flight.>>55597667419 and 20 have the same power set, 20 is a cyborg, 19 is purely mechanical. They all, can fly and shoot alternative ki blasts.
Reposting
>>555976935Just because a battle droid and a genetically modified human can both fly and fire some type of energy doesn't mean Android 16 (a battle droid) has some spiritual power. The thing he used to read energy was also explicitly called "power radar" in original english, too, so it's clearly nothing but a machine that reads power levels.Gero wouldn't have a problem reading Freeza's energy, he just didn't because he didn't even know the guy was there.
you gotta remember that 19 and 20 absorb energywhatever they use it's close enough to standard Ki that draining it out of someone else can refill their reserves
>>555977521No? Energy conversion, as far we know Gero just built a device that sucks the mix of spiritual, mental and physical power of a life form (ki) and turns it into a more simple energy like electricity
>>555977521...but also not close enough to be detected by Genki users.
>>555975294>I don't think it's a story mode, but the usage of an overworld map does make it seem like a bigger mode than either Mission 100 or SurvivalAlso the fact that it's paid, it would be a bad look for them if the free modes where better than the one in the DLC expansion>>555976170>If it's like BT2 it seems fun, but if it's just flying around the map with random battles spawning there needs to be more rewards otherwise there's no point. They really shot themselves in the foot not making this the default story mode you play through the story with, that's what made the original so greatIt was great in Budokai 3, where there was an actual point in visiting different places on the map that gave you new scenes, capsules or triggered What If scenarios. In Tenkaichi 2 you only go from paint A to point B like a glorified missions select screen. You could sometimes do stuff like go to Kame House or Kami's Lookout to have Roshi and Yajirobe join your party for the next battle but they always had the same stock dialogue and didn't affect the battle or plot at all.
Can you name a single difference between 17/18's powerset and 16's power set that is not dwarfed by the difference between different Genki users' power sets?
When are we getting content about Cuu and Duu absorptions? I remember seeing like one piece of fan art about Cuu absorbing someone and never again. What are artist doing? What is Superdivers doing?
>>555977669I don't think "electricity" really works as the example here, whatever they actually run on is vastly more efficient and dense than standard electricity>>555977695Correct, which is weird because there's a plot point in GT about them having Ki that can be sensed
>>555977994We don't have to. Blame Toriyama for making life forms, glorified smart fridges and biocyborgs behave and fight pretty much the same. That still doesn't make them use the same power sources
>>555977994Rocket Punch
>>555978297They are using the same energy source because they are all Artificial Humans, we know it isn't Genki because it is explicitly stated to be diffrent.
>>555978516Nice headcanon but Cell is a jinzoningen too, and he has ki. There's no reason to assume all other types of jinzoningen share power source, 17 and 16 being fueled by the same thing is 100% headcanon.
>>555978736Cell is not numbered, and we know he doesn't use altki since he is sensed repeatedly by Genki users.
>>555978052GT is full of completely retarded shit nobody sane should even consider in any educated discussion.
>>555978051Superdivers already started adding Heroes original characters so it's only a matter of time until they bring Fin back and make him absorb Buu, Kuu and Duu to form the ultimate demon
If a character is never stated to be sensed by another character, we can not say they have Genki, saying a character who is not explicitly stated to have Genki is bullshit.
>>555978845>Cell is not numberedAnd why does that matter? Having no number means you aren't a jinzoningen? That's retarded and you know it.>and we know he doesn't use altkiExactly, we know for a solid fact your claim of all jinzoningen using the same thing is wrong. Explaining what part of the lore proves you wrong does not excuse your mistake duh
>>555979248All artificial humans function the same unless explicitly stated otherwise. Otherwise should we conclude Vegeta would be physically unable to go SSJ3, it's just your head canon that any sayian can go SSJ3.
Do you guys think Age 1000 is going to be a CAC game or will twink be the protagonist?
So what new characters are confirmed for Sparking Zero DLC? I know the base game has 182 characters and DLC adds 27 new ones for a total of 209 characters, how does the number look after the announcement?
>>555979519>all artificial humans follow this rule I entirely headcanonned unless it's explicitly proven to be wrong, in which case only that specific case acts as exception and every other artificial human, no matter how fundamentally different one from other, still follow this rule, look at this strawmanOkay I have nothing else to add to this conversation. It was fun I guess.
>>555979080>Superdivers already started adding Heroes original charactersMira is a DBO character, and Chronoa is a Xenoverse character (Technically also DBO, but she wasn't shown there, Dimps came up with her design and changed her from Kaio to Kaioshin).
>>555979935If it was exicitly said that Vegeta physically couldn't go SSJ3 you would assume Gohan couldn't go SSJ3?
>>555979956>, and Chronoa is a Xenoverse characterDidn't she debut in Heroes?Dispatch Time Patrol (manga) released on August 5th 2016, and Xenoverse 1 released on October 25 2016.
>>555979956do you think that if chronoa's lore gets revamped for the current era they'll buff her station again to be something of the level of a GoD or angel or something?
>>555979565>So what new characters are confirmed for Sparking Zero DLC?King PiccoloSuper 17Super Saiyan BardockGrandpa GohanChampaDevilmanTao Pai PaiZangyaPikkonWe were at 208 so it's 217 now, and It's confirmed these aren't all the characters we are getting
>>555979545we don't have nearly enough to go off to make a solid judgement on that we'll have to wait til the battle hour I think he's another Shallot, he's a character but his fighting style is using moves from others like Shallot does.
>>555979935Android 16, 17, and 18 have appear to have literally identical powers, which are more likely to your audience at home that Android 16, 17, and 18 have identical powers, or that 16 has an entirely fundementally diffrent power set despite there being no evidence of that. It seems far more silly to invent three entirely diffrent power sets that a re fundamentally diffrent from each-other for 16, 19 and 20 despite all five having the same basic abilities.It is your head canon that there are 5 sets of powers that give flight, super strength, and blasts of undetermined nature.
>>555980552>It is your head canon that there are 5 sets of powers that give flight, super strength, and blasts of undetermined natureThat's the powerset of literally every single Dragon Ball character? What are you going on about
>>555981029Yes, and if it wasn't explicitly stated that the (non-cell) Androids were different, I wouldn't be suggesting any divide at all.You are suggesting a non-expliciitly stated subdivision, between each type of Android, when you admit these things are identical in function.
why isn't 21 in SZ?
>>555981851Not everyone is the same person dude
>>555980226>and Xenoverse 1 released on October 25 2016.2015. You're thinking of Xenoverse 2. IIRC Xeno Trunks was added to Heroes as a Xenoverse cross promotion (He's also a DBO character, but Xenoverse is the more relevant game), then at some point Heroes stopped retelling GT and went the time patrol route.>>555980235I'm not so sure. Beerus is part of Xenoverse 1 and she's strictly below him in authority, but that's before Zeno. If they were to update it I'd imagine she would be on equal footing to him (Specially since later stuff revealed gods of destruction aren't even meant to be above Kaioshins in authority, they're equals who should work together, but Beerus is an incompetent asshole).
>>555983728Beerus is part of Xeno 1 yeah but only BoG movie lore, yeah? We have a lot more stuff since then
>>555983018because the games aren't made by the same people?
>>555979080I wanna fug fin
This latest batch of DLC reminds me of all the datamined characters back during launch. I wonder if we're getting everyone listed here.
>>555984768Well we got Pikkon, King Piccolo, Spike the Devilman, Tao, Zangya, Grandpa Gohan, Champa, Super 17, and Super Saiyan Bardock confirmedThat's already eight out of the 27-28-ish (the blank one between Baby and Syn is definitely Super 17), plus Super Saiyan Bardock (makes me wonder if they'll give his Minus outfit the transformation too)More TOP characters are highly likely (the furries are an easy pick), some like Jaco are easy inclusions, might even see Arale return alongside someone new like Beelzebub
I want to see who /vg/ plays, who are your top 5 Sparking Zero characters?
>>555987380>some like Jaco are easy inclusionsI now expect Jaco to be pushed back for the eventual Galactic Patrol pack
>>555987696>Vegetto (Base, SSGSS)>Kale (Base, SSJ, LSSJ)>Goku Black (Base, SSR)>Z Broly (Base, SSJ, LSSJ)>Kefla (Base, SSJ)i pretty much never use Kefla's SSJ2 form. i like the spiral beam as a Pretty Cure reference, but the red and green color scheme is not my favorite color way.
>>555987696I only play Raditz
They should add Gogetto SSJ4 Blue Ultra Instinct Ego to the game
I have made sweet love to a saiyan space pirate woman and have decided to become evil
>>555983018she doesn't like kusoge
>>555987380Super 17 wasn't a separate slot, all transformations and alt versions of characters are coded under the base forms. Though for some reason Nail is listed under Piccolo and Cell Jr under Cell as shown on the previous list.>>555988073Nah, Jaco should've been in the base game. I feel like a Galactic Patrol Pack would look more like this:>Giant UI Goku>Grand Supreme Kai>Merus>Irico>Jiya>Pybara>Cranberry>Saganbo>Shimorekka>OG73-i>Elder Moro>Full Power Moro>73 Moro>UI 73 Moro>Giant 73 Moro
>>555990110Odd, didn't think he would count as a Transformation but guess it kinda makes sense.
>>555984768I want to play as Grand Minister.
>>555990220Considering what we saw in the trailer, it wouldn't surprise me if they actually DID make Super 17 a transformation this time around.
>>555990110>Irico>Jiya>Pybara>Cranberry>ShimorekkaI like your enthusiasm but these are not happening, and I also feel like you too many Moros. I would like his old form but I think it would be just Full Power and Fused with 73. And his "Giant" form is definitely not making it in except maybe as an attack, it's just too deformed to be playable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOTi9lHUYoUFull video for age 1000
>>555990590Yeah pretty sure we're getting Hellfighter 17
>>555991026To be fair, there was that guy in the last thread who made a moveset and stats for each Moro form, though even he made Giant Moro an ultimate. It'd just be weird to have Giant UI Goku without a Giant Moro to fight.
>>555993156Alright, having 3 separate base 17s is pushing it a bit. I feel like Super 17 should be a transformation for DBZ 17, while also giving him his ranger jacket as an alt costume.
>>555993228The big UI susanoo Goku should not be a separate character that is ridiculous. Same with "Giant Moro", it's just a big goofy arc finale thing and would not work as a character
>>555993358and Daima ssj4 should have been a transformation for Endku but they are clearly not mixing any iterations of characters
>>555993070If Age 1000 is another CAC game like Xenoverse, they should give us more than 8 slots for our CACs. Games like Smash and SF6 let players have up to 100 CACs to switch between.
>have to level 100 CaCs to level 199
>>555995727That's why they should also have the CACs share experience, that way players don't have to slog through the campaign a zillion times for each slot. I mean, if I remember correctly, isn't that how XV1 did it?
>>555993597>but they are clearly not mixing any iterations of charactersIIRC Vegetto is an exception to the point both End Goku and Vegeta, and DBS Goku and Vegeta, can fuse into him, and I think the Z versions just can't go SSB.
I wonder if SSJ4 will appear in the Super remake, that would be the perfect opportunity to introduce it. I also still wish for the day of SSJ4 + Ultra Instinct to have a white version of SSJ4
>>556001862>I wonder if SSJ4 will appear in the Super remakeIt won't >I also still wish for the day of SSJ4 + Ultra Instinct to have a white version of SSJ4This on the other hand is guaranteed to happen if Toyo ever gets to continue the manga with any sort of creative input, but that also seems unlikely
>>555976963powerlevel fags talking about how consistent power levels used to be ignoring how the actual narrative itself was completely unhinged
>>556003714SS4 will happen.I had a drea where Goku said>WakuWaku Desu ne~ I had a really powerful form Bills-sama but I can't seem to use it *crusty ss4 Daimaku jpg flashes on screen for a split second*Then Goku kissed Whis on the lips getting both of them pregnant with that Natrual perfection guy, you know the green guy who wears Jiren's outfit? Him they give birth to each half and need to fuse them together to birth him.
>>556007747this is why angels are forbidden from relations
>these old MCU roadmap meme pics came true>but instead of new stuff for new characters>its simply rehashing Super all over againSaiyan's Paw.
I have a question, you know how Miura died before Berserk was completed and his assistants have taken it upon themselves to finish the story? Is it possible for that to happen to Dragonball and still be accepted? As far as I know the series has had about 20 chapters since his passing but I honestly haven't heard how receptive to this the fans are or if anyone is even still keeping up.I do however feel a bit conspiratorial and these remakes and the galactic patrol arc being adapted are a test run to see how profitable the series can be with Toriyama's death they really don't seem willing to accept he's dead and gone considering how that event talked about him like he was still alive and slapping his name on every single dragonball thing that came out while removing toyotaro, he wasn't even invited to the event.I mean Dragonball is such an iconic franchise that without Toriyama and Nozowa being there it probably won't survive or rather japan doesn't want it to survive without them, she's gonna be 90 this year, there's no way she's gonna live long enough for them to adapt all of super into a psuedo merge with manga content along with the the two manga only arcs and the retelling of super hero from prequel to main event to epilogue.This entire project could take 3 to 6 years entirely.
>>556015624No, because Toriyama wouldn't have left any fucking notes outside of the projects he was already working on. Not to mention we already have the end.
>>556015624toriyama name is there cause it's all shit he worked on almost 10 years ago, galactic patrol arc was more than 6 years ago. Even the new age 1000 game they said it's been worked on for 7 years now, nothing they talked about is new and/or stuff Toriyama wasn't there when they were made
>>556014015It's hilarious that the person who made this thought that Granola was worth 24 episodes, that arc is at most a movies worth of content.
>>556015624DB's story is essentially over. If Age1000 is a successful game they can just move Toyotaro to adapt it into a manga format because it's far ahead in the timeline with OCs galore.Black Frieza may never get arc of his own, he's there just to show that threats will always exist so Goku & co have a reason to constantly train to get stronger.
Can they even sell Black Freiza as a form in games since he only did two punches? all we know of him is that he's strong enough to fight UI Goku, UE Vegeta, CLSS Broly, Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan all at once. In fact, it's kinda doing the Boruto thing were we entered the story with a flash forward of boruto vs kawakii among the shattered remains of Konoha village, we're ending super on the beaten but not defeated main characters in their strongest forms fighting the main villain in his strongest form with no idea how the conflict started nor how it's gonna end.Well, that's not true, end of Z is still the ending of the franchise we just don't know how this happened in between and how they came out of it okay. I don't think they're being truthful about age 1000 being concepted that long ago, they said the same bullshit about Kakarot being canon and Sparking Zero taking 5 years it sounds impressive when the reality was likely bullshit meant to market the product more.
>>556017967The way he pierced Gas can be Rush attack, same with him hitting Goku & Vegeta. And then what-if ultimate move like Black Supernova.I mean Bojack's first form barely fought but he's still in plenty of games.
>>556018774wasn't he in base when he did that?
>>556019021It's debatable, but colored version makes him quite black.
>>556017967>I don't think they're being truthful about age 1000 being concepted that long ago I'm sure the concept art for this character existed for a while>Sparking Zero taking 5 yearsIn modern game development that sounds right for the product we got because well idk why it takes so long but that is just how it works nowadays for some reason
>>556020035Man, the manga really loves the hand through the chest stab move, I think only Goku black and Zamasu didn't do it on that note, how the fuck did Gas not know he was dying? He not only looked like shit, his skin and bones were exposed, he didn't feel that at all?
>>556020817The entire fight he was pumped with adrenaline. And yes there is a panel where he looks at a reflection of himself and he wonders what tf has happened to him.
>guise there totally will be a new movie source: i made it upWhat the HECK did he mean by this???
It just dawned on me the reason why Gekishin has barely included Super stuff is that they are waiting for Super Kai
>>556022972>is the guy Frieza is based on>people flabbergasted that he's a megajew not to be trusted
Toei during the TOP was way better at doing gimmick / ability based fights than Toyotaro was with Moro.There was more thoughts put into Freeza's beam cage to counter Dyspo's hyper dash than in any counter in the manga.
>>555980552lmao android 18 literally has the same abilities as KrillinThey have different powers because they are different types of beings not because their moves are different, dumbass
Since the thread is focused on android autism do you think Cell could have grown exponentially stronger like 17 did
>>555993228Spirit avatar Goku should be an ultimate move, not a character.
*Susanoo Goku
>>556030610it's definitely Susnaoo Goku. lol
>>556020035>>556019021It's not debatable.>you see Freeza aura up for an instant the moment Gas is about to approach>the shading of his skin around his mouth is lighter than the rest of his head>has the big brow Golden and Black have but normal Freeza doesn'tFor someone who abuses speedlines so much Toyotarou was actually pretty smart with them here, he first used a low angle shot where you can interpret the shading as just a shadow on Freeza's body and then the speedlines of the attack to mask Freeza's body has changed to a darker tone all so you don't notice at first Freeza has a new, darker form, but once you have seen the next pages and look at Black Freeza you can easily spot the form appearing here-
>>556030610Giantification is a spirit control ability, narufag
>>556031462>unintelligible tracetaro babbleit's literally just susanoo
>>556032453I'm sorry you keep getting banned and trying to pass your narufag illness on to others.
>>556032874>posts more traced scribbles
>>556033395>I swear my favourite yaoi created the energy avatar tropeYour ban was deserved, I see. Consider yourself discarded.
>>556031462That's not gigantification tho, it's a giant energy avatar.
>>555983887Yeah, which's why I said if they were to revise Chronoa, they might put her on equal footing with Beerus. Though little would change in that case, her and Beerus almost never interacted after Xenoverse 1 in any continuity (IIRC, they have a brief interaction in Heroes' Big Bang Mission).>>556020817>I think only Goku black and Zamasu didn't do itBlack has no need to stab someone with his hand directly.>>556031060I did feel Toyotaro was hiding Black Freeza here, but didn't realize he used speed lines to hide it. Pretty clever.
>>556017967>Can they even sell Black Freiza as a form in games since he only did two punches?Not like this would be the first time game have added in characters who haven't done much. Shanks from One Piece has been in a couple of games despite not having a fight.
>>556017967goku black got added to XV2 before he even premiered I think, they can figure something out
>>556034551Yeah that's a weird point to make. Super Perfect Cell only did four things (Freeza's ki blast, a karate chop, another blast that broke Gohan's arm, and Solar Kamehameha), and we have a few cases of forms that did nothing at all getting in games (Z Broly's base form, Super Baby 1 who only ever threw a single punch). Black Freeza isn't unusual in that regard.
>>556033768You literally see Pybara's gigantification glow as he undoes the trick, it's a body of energy as well
>>556023454That would make sense, but it makes Toppo being added post release a little weird, plus Gammas and Hit are in base roster. Maybe Super Kai is planning to do more with regular Toppo?>>556030073Cell is Potential Man incarnated.>Could have 17's growth>Could have Freeza's growth and Golden/Black forms>Could have Goku's and Vegeta's capacity of getting new forms with god ki>Could have Piccolo's awakening/Orange forms>Cell Jrs could have one of those things at least, or all of them at most
YOOOOOOOO, get IN HERE, cute nigguhhhhhHHHHH!!!>>>/vt/109097071
I hope we get a Black Frieza and Gronala arc, but we don't get Moro arc just to see how people react.
>>556037128What? Moro arc is the confirmed one, we only expect Granolah because they have already confirmed to be working on the previously manga-exclusive arcs with Moro
>>556035281Yeah they only need an original rush attack, his other blast 2 will just be a super duper blacked death beam and his ultimate can be a Beerus-like blacked death ball. They can even give him a move FF/Golden Freeza had in Super but they didn't include in the game, too
>>556037851Yeah, in particular, I can imagine them giving him something like, a Death Ball into his dash move that he used to knock out Jiren in the manga. And all of this is assuming the anime doesn't extend the Black Freeza vs Goku and Vegeta match to include a few more attacks (While still making the match one sided).
I hope Black frieza isn't the last Super arc. I want them to go on a vacation to Sadala.
>>556038560We'll get the Ruby Frieza arc after instead and Goku White will show up and fuse with Rubyza
>>556035304>That's your normal size?Learn to read, anon. The page is showing him shrinking.
>>556036478I'd guess the opposite. The super characters already included probably won't change much if at all
just watched a 5 year old who was so lacking in brain function he kept walking into the GoD zone WHILE they were unavailable, STILL somehow manage to chip away at the thing until it was destroyed while i was sitting on it (due to the rest of my team also being 5 year olds and/or AFK)they have GOT to change that shit man
>>556040413Are you shitposting? Or just this retarded?>Toriyama's yardrats are small>the elder is big>he says "oh we do gigantification too" as he becomes small>Vegeta asks if that thing he's seeing now (a small yardrat) is his normal size>previously we had another yardrat talking about how they use their techniques to scare potential threads>again, "GIGANTIFICATION"Pybara is small, he just uses spirit control to appear himself bigger. And no, it's not an illusion, because we see Pybara physically interacting with others before that. If you can control ki like a yardrat (what they call "spirit control") you can make a big ass ki reproduction of yourself.
>no SSG regeneration at top>the bottom scene was originally in the movie version but with SSAre we removing the healing powers and absorbed SSG? If so good riddance, it's criminal how until UI the best modern form we had was SSG and manga aside we only got to see it vs Beerus once.
>>556045646honestly i didn't actually mind the idea of god ki getting absorbed... if it had actually mattered PAST the moviesas is they're better off getting rid of it unless they feel like remaking fucking everything just to work it back in properly instead of dumping it immediately afterwards
>>556045646My bad I forgot it was also in the ToP, very briefly, the part with the giant robot was meh and he only used it one second against Jiren. So it was more like twice, first Beerus, then Kefla. And god damn SSG Goku vs base Kefla looked so much better than SSB Goku vs SS Kefla
>>556045646How many times is SSG used in the manga? I don't think they will add all those to the new anime but some should be adapted
>>556046632>>556046821The manga had>first Goku uses it against Beerus>then against Hit, saving SSB for the very last moment>Goku uses it just for one second to oneshot Trunks>then Vegeta uses it in tandem with SSB to fight Black>at same time Goku uses it against Zamasu>then Goku uses all his forms against Toppo to entertain Zeno>Vegeta uses it in New Namek to make Moro reveal his plans>both Goku and Vegeta bodies revert to SSG when Moro is draining them also in New Namek>later Goku uses all his forms except Blue to test Merus>and he goes SSG right away to fight Granolah('s clone)There are eleven SSG transformations in the manga, ten if you don't count picrel. If I'm not missing any, the anime had>the Beerus rematch from the first arc>copying manga strat of switching from God to Blue to exchange a few blows with Dyspo>Annilaza episode>vs Kefla until they powered up to blue and green
>>556042095caulifla sex
>>556043820Yes, he make himself bigger, it's not like Susano Goku, it's like Piccolo growing. You are retarded.
>>556048878>making a big energy projection of yourself isn't like making a big energy projection of yourself, it's like Piccolo physically becoming a big organism
NARUtaro
Cute father and daughter moment
>>556050703>It's a big energy projection despite not looking like one and not being called that, with the name directly saying it's making yourself giant because I said so based on nothingYou are retarded
>>556052416You mean grandpa and granddaughter, remember Pan's father is Gohan, the son of Vegeta who inherited his RUTHLESS behaviour that solves pretty much everything
>>556053671>it doesn't look like energy except for the energy we see glowing as the technique is undone, it doesn't mention energy except for the part when they say it's control of "spirit" and "spirit" is ki (energy) and they call it gigantification before explaining it's merely an energy thing, but I can't read so I have to assume gigantification just means his body growing, can we please just pretend he's doing the same thing Piccolo did???No. Take the (You) and go back.
>>556054441Gas was also using an even more primitive version with just the limbs and we know he gained spirit control from the wish too so it checks out, if that was really an UI ability Gas would have to go silver like Goku to pull it off
>>556054441>>556055131>the energy we seeExcept there's no none, we just see the guy shrinking, you are once again retarded and your headcanon is shit.>before explaining it's merely an energy thing absolutely nowhere except my ass while you have to assume what is clearly shown and saidCool so Susano Goku was a completely different thing as is obviously shown and explained and it's obvious to everyone except your retarded ass.
The headcanon is having a tantrum again? He does that whenever people don't accept the weird shit he just came up with and that appear nowhere in the shitty manga pages he post.
>>556052416writers for dragonball, including both fanfic and official products, will do ANYTHING but have pan interact with gohan it's bizzare
>>556056103The only use Pan has to Gohan is to die so Gohan gets a power-up.
>>556035281SS2 Goku and Vegeta barely do anything in the manga and even taking into account filler, it would at best be one super.
>>556055875There's a fucking light effect not present in Piccolo's case (the guy who became big in such a literal way Goku could enter his stomach).Last time I tell you, take the (You) and go back, I don't care you were banned, try not to be a retard next time.
>>556056103I mean, tbf, GT also had like maybe 2-3 scenes where Gohan and Pan interact in any meaningful way. Hell, even in EoZ, Pan spent more time with Goku and Goten then she did with Gohan.
>>556056282>Last time I impotently schizo babble at you, don't point out my retarded headcanon isn't true again!!!Lol, no.>There's a fucking visual effect completely different Goku's Susano to show the shrinking movement!So still not Goku's Susano>literal wayYou mean the same literal way as the big ass entirely physical Yardrat that then got physically smaller under our very eyes?
>>556056514GT is what I was talking about in terms of official product, anon
>>556056282I think he's taking the W instead of the (you), anon.
>>556054049>the son of Vegeta who inherited his RUTHLESS behaviour that solves pretty much everythingIncluding putting Vegeta on a leash.>>556056514>Hell, even in EoZ, Pan spent more time with Goku and Goten then she did with Gohan.In the manga she's solely defined by her relationship with Goku, since she doesn't talk with anyone else. The anime version at least showed her interacting with Gohan a little.
>>556046409What
>gee I wonder why it's impossible to criticize DBM in the comment sect-
>>556063185>Sorry, but this is off topic. You can discuss such things on the forum or on our discord server.
>>556063185>people try to talk about the universes, one of the few things DBM actually has>ERM THIS ISN'T RELATED TO YOUR DOSE OF GASTSLOP, PLEASE BE QUIET AND KEEP THE COMMENT SECTION CLEAN
>>556046060A few """insiders""" have come out and say these episode counts aren't correct.
>>556063083That VTuber was REALLY into Piccolo while playing Kakarot.>>556063185Jannies are so retarded
>>556023950I thought that was pic related
>>556030610>>556030750ripoff another 90 anime award
>>556068880Narukeks...
So i guess we're just going to berate Toriyama again but for not doing a golden warrior trope first in manga since Astro Power already did it via his 1 million horsepower state.
Why does Bardock in Gekishin wear a bandana? Why does he talk about changing the future? None of this shit is canon
Why didn't Goku use Kaiokek 100x on Perfect Cell? Is he stupid?
>>556073574Because fans overwhelmingly prefer that version and it's the one they used in Kakarot
>>556073574Because of some shitty special nobody likes or cares about.
>>556073574You question that and not his capacity to turn super saiyan?
i hope they do more stuff with universe 6 in the remake, so much potential
>>555971992Anon sensei So gero just over prepared just in case?If so then he is a genius, because in one time line he kills goku.
>>556073574Nudock is shit
>>556073574Because it's the CHAD Bardock
>>556074739I don't think there's room for it in the remake. I just hope they trim the stuff that doesn't work and then expand on it in stuff after the remake
>>556074739The best they may be getting is actual muscles like in the manga and nothing else. In fact they could even lose SS2 since that's something Toei made up entirely
>>556073598I assume because Cell would just match it. But then that raises the question of why Cell didn't do it against Gohan? So either he didn't think of it in his panicked state, or it has an upper limit. The choice is yours.
>>556076502My personal headcanon is that super kaioken isn't really viable until blue due to ki control issues. If cell tried he'd wreck his body damn near instantly due to constantly being in a state similar to super saiyan
>>556075929>CHAD Bardockhe's not super saiyan 3 though?
>>556077149But he is a brilliant scientist!
>>556077042>Kaioken is possible again due to SSB ki control>oh yeah did we forget to mention SSB drains a lot of stamina?What did toei mean by this
>Fandom keeps glazing Bardock as this strong saiyan that could've beat Frieza if he was at least SS1>Got one shotted by Dodoria's burp>Only cool scenes is beating up Frieza Force fodderHas there been any character that's propped by side material more then Bardock?
>>556065418Could Goku beat him?
>>556074739I like that monkey.
>>556078370SS4 Gogeta.
>>556078370Bardock going SSJ would still lose to Freeza's first form.
>>556078370present trunks
>>556078370>Fandom keeps glazing Bardock as this strong saiyan that could've beat Frieza if he was at least SS1Since fucking when??? I've never seen anyone actually claim such a thing, nobody thinks Bardock was as strong as Goku was at the end of the Namek arc, so clearly SS Bardock wouldn't do shitAlso to answer your question, GT Gogeta, he's a tavestry and an insult to Goku and Vegeta but he was technically the strongest character and Toei somehow thought he was cool, despite being a glorified adult Gotenks (fursuit edition), so videogames made him an ultra OP monster and people got to like the guy.
>>556067904>female>thirsty for PiccoloMany such cases!
>>556080371>nobody thinks Bardock was as strong as Goku was at the end of the Namek arc, so clearly SS Bardock wouldn't do shitMost people just ignore the whole "Super Saiyan is a multiplier" thing and assume turning SS would just push Bardock all the way to Final Form Frieza level
>>556080371>Since fucking when???Since the special where he kills one of Freeza's ancestors.
Raditz is substantially stronger than a Cyberman.
>>556080778>people think Chilled is as strong as FreezaSince fucking when?
>>556080780What's funny is the statement I'm thinking of is probably from some Funimation dubism, but I'm fairly certain they have explained that because Raditz has battle tactics unlike a Saibamen, he is barely more formidable as a fighter.
>>555987696>who are your top 5 Sparking Zero characters?GT Goku, GT Goku (Super Saiyan), GT Goku (Super Saiyan 3), GT Goku (Super Saiyan 4), Pan (GT). GT Goku is the best character in the game :)
>>556083346>Pan (GT)Wait... that's not a Goku, you tryin' to trick me again?
>>556075205Cell wasn't supposed to kill Goku. He was a separate project. Gero expected to kill Goku years before he'd have matured.
>>556081416Retards always assumed that, don't ask me why.
You know speaking of cell and that other anon earlier who brought up Cell being a non-numbered android, Why DOESN'T he have a number? You can very easily chalk this up to it being an entirely different project to the artificial human stuff and therefore not subject to its naming scheme, but then you have android 21 which doesn't account for cell at all and pretends he doesn't exist as a number despite her following the same biological plan as cell
>>556083406She has 1/4 of Goku's DNA, she is a Goku unlike Turles
>>556084017That's not a Goku though, you won't get me this time
Sex with Goku
Sex with Pan
>>556084768:(
>>556084587Pan...
>>556084587Vegeta...
I think Pan is a shitI play as her on Sparking Zero as a sacrificial slot.
>>556084768Goku...
>>556084768Pan...
>>556084768Majin Ozotto...
>>556084768Piccolo...
>>556084768Dolltaki...
Pan is a tailless monkey and that makes her worthless.But this applies to all Tailless saiyans.Age 10000 better have tails for saiyans if it's a cac game.
Rough sex with 21
>>55608581616...
>>556085816I don't remember making this post...
>>556084768Based
>>556085816reminds me of a 4koma someone made back when she was popularpanel 1 she and some sap were in bed just as 21 pulls the covers over thempanel 2 covers russeling with hearts coming out of them and plap onomatopoeia, 21's tail is sticking out from under the covers panel 3 bed is covered in an aura as the splurt effects show up panel 4 21 removes the covers is now naked eating a cupcake with it's frosting on her face like a cumshot it's kinda wild that someone from Toriyama has this much sex appeal to her, usually it's just Bulma, 18 and Videl as a teenager nobody gives a fuck about her as an adult, oddly enough people started caring about Caulifla, Kale and Kefla more when they told us those two are around the same age as Trunks and Goten just a little older Cabba too.
>>556084768Poperu...
>>556084587If Girlku yes
>>556090920>Girlku
>>556091172Why did they sexualize Vegeta
>>556091506Who wouldn't?He's the most kissable manlet.
>>556091609Bulma...
>>556091609Bulla...
>>556091609Frieza...
>>556091609Krillin on Pooicide watch!
>>556091609Goku...
>>555970318Why would you make an android weaker than that?
>draw game
>>556096296Based
>>556085783Tailed Super Saiyans are so powerful that they refuse to animate one.
>>556100684Bardock
>>556100684anon...
>>556101093>brown tailWhy
>>556101173Because that's how GT did it
>>556101329Only for SS1, 3 had the golden tail
>>556101885that's inconsistent between shots, isn't it?
>>556102145I think it was just different between ssj and ssj3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9dU9b6MklA
>>556101885>>556102145>>556102532There are inconsistent shots of it. Some of them are gold, some of them are brown.
>>556103901It kind of just looks like it's in his shadow for that frame but it could be
>>556105098I'd just say it's uchiyama's usual cheap, ugly, poor art direction making it inconsistentclearly they wanted it gold at the start but not all colorists got the memo and the "corrections" didn't bother to fix it
>>556101173Because that's how Toriyama did it. Only the hair changes.>>556102145Yes. I can only imagine not everyone got the memo.
>>556109317When has Toriyama ever illustrated a super Saiyan with a tail?
>>556109837napkins probably
>>556110348kek true
>>556109317>>556109837Toriyama hates tails, so he'd censor it. So the color is actually unkown when tansformed.
>>555976649there is no sensical reason in-universe, Toriyama made the mistake of making Mecha Frieza and then having Trunks go super saiyan to defeat him, destroyed the power scaling in the arc. the Androids saga is trivially easy to fix by simply making it so Goku and Piccolo died on Namek and none of the remaining saiyans achieved super saiyan in Trunks' timeline, and also have none of the earthbound saiyans in the main timeline achieve super saiyan until they train in the hyperbolic time chamber in preparation for the Cell Games. Goku is already out of commission because of the virus, which neatly explains away why 16 17 and 18 are able to make mincemeat of the Z Fighters.
>>556042095 cauliflower is my favourite vegetable.
>>556111609roasted or steamed?
>>556115758creamed
>>556110656He's certainly commented on it, if only to those that need to know. As it is a very consistent thing. Otherwise, ancient saiyans wouldn't be the canon exception.
>a bot in Squadra has clear path toward my DB which already had the shell shattered>but because I chase it, it goes back to fight me (I'm a Bojack, it's #18, so I couldn't catch up on my own)>I die, it narrowly survives>it again has a clear path toward thevDB>but (presumably?) because it has so little HP left, it teleports back to spawn point>we win
Toriyama never drew a tailed SSJ, but because his SSJ4 has the hair including tail go red, I think by analogy we should consider the issue settled: golden tail.
>>556117438There are better ways of bumping the thread, sir.
>>556117438GT and episode of bardock are the only times we see tailed super saiyans, in EOB it's brown and in GT it's sometimes gold and sometimes brown. I think logically it should be gold though and they just forgot to colour it most times when it isn't gold.
Episode of Bardock depicts Super Saiyan Bardock's as brown in the OVA itself, and that continues into everything that uses Super Saiyan Bardock afterward (every single game featuring him up to GS and SZ now).Heroes is very consistent about the tails: they stay brown, no matter who. Radtiz, Nappa, Saiyan Arc Vegeta, the avatars, etc.Legends gives a counterexample in the form of Shallot, but he's an exception because he has a black tail, same color as his hair, not a brown one like most other Saiyans (Bardock's remains brown in Legends, like other depictions).
Shallot's tail changes from yellow to red to blue so I imagine that the tail changes with the form so if Shallot gets Beast or Ultra Instinct or even Ultra Ego then his tail will change to the same color.I only think about him because he's a toriyama character like 21 is
>>556119501>>556122648Shallot is an exception by virtue of being an ancient saiyan or some shit like that
>>556123440Exactly. His tail is black, not brown.
>>556109317>>556116776Toriyama never drew tailed Super Saiyans. Ever. Your headcanon is baseless.
>>556125842you could say he pulled on all their tails
Wait did Piccolo really not hear the guy? Or feel?? Did it go like this in the manga?
>>556128129He heard him in the manga but couldn't detect where the attack was coming from so he got ringed out anyways
>>556128129He did sense Damon but couldn't locate it, in the manga he notices him with his hearing first but Damon was too small and eliminated Piccolo after the first attack missed
fusions 2
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The goat shall return to the sparking realm.
Since it seems they're adding Devilman to SZ, I wonder if they'll update the devilmite beam's damage values to be a little less silly.>Gohan and Uub taking damage at all>Grandpa Gohan as evil as Cell Games SS2 Gohan>SS1 and SS2 Cell Game Gohans taking the same damage>Various forms like Semi Perfect Cell and Third form Freeza taking less damage at random>Kid Buu and Syn not taking the highest damage>SS1 Goku (Mid) being treated as about as evil as SS1 Goku (End)>SS1 and SS3 GT Goku inexplicably becoming more evil>Recoome being treated as less evil than someone like Piccolo (Early) and only slightly more evil than SS4 Vegeta
>>556145547>Grandpa Gohan as evil as Cell Games SS2 GohanI don't see the problem here, Gohan was pure of heart even if he was really mad and had malicious intent, Gohan, a pervert like his master, can just be evil enough to match that, still not actually bad guys, but still not pure.>Kid Buu and Syn not taking the highest damageBuu is supposed to be just pure and devoid of agenda which is why it was reincarnated so easily, he's not pure evil like the grey one, King Piccolo, etc. I agree Syn should take max damage thoAlso all SS forms, except kid Gohan's SS2 form, should take the same damage as their base forms. Being more excited and irritable doesn't mean you are a worse person, the whole "SS makes you a little evil" thing is Toei retardation they didn't even respect for the Genkidama sword
>>556145547>saibamen have more bad juju than majin vegeta, super 17, and the entire frieza forcethe FUCK is going through their heads? I thought they were just sort of feral assholes
>>556147198They are demon realm plants
>>556146096>I don't see the problem here, Gohan was pure of heart even if he was really mad and had malicious intent, Gohan, a pervert like his master, can just be evil enough to match that, still not actually bad guys, but still not pure.I'm not saying Granda Gohan should be a 0, but he raised Goku to be so pure hearted and taught Goku to be respectful of women. All that we know of his perversion is that he finds hot women attractive but that's too vague. Plus Devilmite beam explicitly enhances your evilness until you explode, so Grandpa Gohan should definitely be lower than Cell Games SS2 Gohan, who actually has maliciousness at the moment.>Buu is supposed to be just pure and devoid of agenda which is why it was reincarnated so easily, he's not pure evil like the grey one, King Piccolo, etc.I guess that makes sense.>Also all SS forms, except kid Gohan's SS2 form, should take the same damage as their base forms. Being more excited and irritable doesn't mean you are a worse person, the whole "SS makes you a little evil" thing is Toei retardation they didn't even respect for the Genkidama swordYeah, I don't know why that became so widespread to the point Goku is almost never allowed to use Genki Dama when SS in games, and it got so silly that DBS didn't allow him to use it in SSB. I think Budokai 3/IW are the only exceptions. I'd argue SS1 Goku (Mid) at worst could take some more damage, but even in his case he showed a lot of restraint against Freeza.
If we had a universe 6 movie what would it be about?
>>556148325Cabba and Champa invite our heroes to a vacation in Universe 6, Cabba wants to thank them for bringing all the universes back (and giving Vegeta that tour of Sadala he promised) while Champa wants to rub the fact that U6 is in a much better state than U7 in Beerus' face.The conflict is that while they're enjoying a vacation some Saiyan cult that wants to return to monke and embrace their primitive warrior race roots (while reject the whole crime fighter thing) emerges.
>>556149206Why is Universe 6 in a better state than Universe 7?
>>556149740>no majin buu >their frieza isn't dominating the universe >their Saiyans are 10x stronger than U7's while also using their strength for good>Fuwa is more experienced than Shin
>>556150080It's still not doing great, mind, but better than "yeah we've got like 20 inhabited planets left" u7
Why are people so hellbent sure SS4 and SS3 are going to debut in DBS Beerus?Who gives a shit about Daima? DBS can introduce it's own demon realm and super Saiyan 4 (although Toyoloco is probably going to retain what his the senile hack had in mind anyways)
>>556150848I actually wouldn't mind a third Super Saiyan 4.
>>556145547>Omega not all the way upIs this because he's truly lawful evil/neutral?
>>556147806Well, I was gonna mention how characters compared him to Roshi and how raising Goku doesn't mean you are 100% pure, just look at Roshi acting like a parent figure for Goku and Krillin (Krillin being a genuinely great person but still not 100% pure) but if I try to picture grandpa Gohan as someone as evil as Krillin I would have to agree he should take less damage than "no, I can't kill him yet, he needs to suffer"han>I think Budokai 3/IW are the only exceptionsActually no, using the Genkidama while transformed makes Goku absorb it (in a reference to the very same movie where Toei introduced the idea of SS being a little evil) and then use Dragon Fist. But I'm pretty sure a few videogames do allow Goku to use it even while transformed, I remember LoG2 doing it.
>>556096296Where is her tail?
>>556151326stored safely inside her
>>556145547>Various forms like Semi Perfect Cell and Third form Freeza taking less damage at random>>556145547>Recoome being treated as less evil than someone like Piccolo (Early) and only slightly more evil than SS4 VegetaThat's just because they have a higher defense value
Good fucking riddance
>>556152319i cannot believe Toei put DBS out looking the way it did. this really is their chance to redeem themselves. i straight up could not recommend DBS to anyone without fearing embarrassment when they saw the quality of the product. well, except for Super Broly.
>>556152319They'll be DVD extras
>>556152319Soul...
>>556152319Super filler was just nonstop humiliation rituals. It was funny though.
You will miss her right?
>>556152319Wow I can't wait until Super is rereleased! Next time it will only look half as bad and the story will also only be half as bad as they will cut the other bad half out only keeping the other bad part! We are so back
>>556150080It doesn't make sense for them to be SSJG level though
>>556155756it didn't make sense for androids that doctor gero built in a cave to be astronomically stronger than frieza
Is there some kind of genetic deficiency in Gekishin Squadra DPS players that make them not want to go for bosses or defend?
>>556127034Yes... YES...!
>>556152319>Bejita losing to Arale>Bejita being a jester for Beerus and Whis>Goku reconfirming Krillin is his best friend (Not B*jita)>Bejita sucking on a pacifierAll of these are funnyOnly Bejitabros hated them
>>556155965Androids are just overkill in general. Hedo made two androids who are about as strong as Goku and Vegeta according to Piccolo (A little weird since Gamma#1 only seems to match Ultimate Gohan), all the while not even looking at Gero's notes, and Cell Max, who he made after looking at Gero's notes, would be stronger than even Broly if his mind was completed, to the point that Gohan doubts Goku and Vegeta could have beaten him. And Hedo made Gammas and Cell Max in like six months. If Hedo has a grandson, I'm sure he'll make an android out of a toaster in a day that one shots Zeno.
>>556156960Hedo's great great grandson will come out of the womb having had already made an androids that is the strongest thing in existence and oneshots universal tree fuu
>>556156960Comments from characters are worthless, they will just be retconned just like Shin's comment that Blue Vegito was stronger than Beerus
>>556155756They aren't, SSJuan.
The J stands for Jobber
>>556157191Kek. Yeah.>>556157191Even if we lowball, Gammas being on par with Ultimate Gohan means they're stronger than Super Buu, and Hedo mentions he could mass produce them, so that' still absurd. Plus, Cell Max is still mighty strong even while incomplete.
>>556156960hot take, from a consistency standpoint the concept of the androids has been far FAR worse for dragonball than any of super's gun incidents, regardless of how good the cell arc turned out
>>556154269N-no it's not filler... it's the original story, it's all canon!
>>556155965The Androids made to defeat a near Freiza level fighter shouldn't be stronger than Freiza?Any even if it was stupid, two wrongs don't make a right, two things can be bad at once.
>>556158961They were not. The androids were meant to fight, at maximum, a fighter on the level of oozaru vegeta due to that being the maximum that Gero knew about
>>556158531It's weird because Cell is a very consistent and sound idea. Of course a biological monster made with the best of all the series' previous villans would be the strongest thing ever! Then there's just 17 and 18 who are strong just because they are
>>556159216They're even stronger in the past too
>saiyankeks are malding again that Dr. CHADro's humanGOD intellect is superior to their unga bunga space monkeys
>>556159586I fucked your wife you old bastard
>>556159050Dr. Gero possesses at least one scouter in Android 16, unless I'm getting confused from an anime only scene he has one in Android 20, too. Why would we assume Dr. Gero can't detect powerlevels
>>556158531Yeah, the escalation DB had from the beginning until Namek made sense (Roshi was known as the strongest in the world but that was long ago, Tao and Tien didn't participate in tournaments so them not being that known makes sense, Piccolo Daimao is an ancient evil, Raditz is from outside the Earth, Vegeta is Raditz's boss, Freeza is Vegeta's boss and the strongest in the universe), but androids being so absurdly strong while Gero didn't expect Goku to grow that much stronger after saiyan saga is nonsensical.>>556159216And Cell, despite being composed of all of those beings, was actually weaker than 17 and 18, and needed to absorb people to surpass them, so Cell was surprisingly reasonable power-wise, and how his power growth worked.
>>556159848He can detect powerlevels, he just explicitly was not doing so any time after saiyan saga, because he thought he had enough information from red ribbon forward to get a good grasp on his growth. now the REAL question is Gero seemingly looking goku dead in the eyes, pulling out super saiyan and suddenly becoming 50x stronger and going "yeah I can take that it's fine" Unless gero is bullshitting in this page he can read goku's powerlevel, see that it's obviously way way above anything it should be and just doesn't give a shit
>NOOOOOOO GERO SHOULD HAVE DESIGNED THE ANDROIDS TO OFFER A FAIR FIGHTNonsensical waku waku logic
>>556160336No one's saying that. Making the androids even so much as first form frieza tier would have made them comically overpowered compared to his projections of what goku should be strengthwise. Them being not only stronger than final form frieza but so much absurdly stronger that they nodiff the guy who nodiffed frieza is ludicrous
Sex with Kamin.
>>556160298>now the REAL question is Gero seemingly looking goku dead in the eyes, pulling out super saiyan and suddenly becoming 50x stronger and going "yeah I can take that it's fine"Even funnier he does the exact same thing to Vegeta a few minutes later. While 19 did absorb Goku's ki, Vegeta is stronger than Heart Virus Goku.
>>556160896Cum in kamin
Will the Pilaf gang appear in the remake?
>remove Freeza surviving Namek and Cold existence entirely>Trunks just arrives and Vegeta is paranoid and fights him, all in base. Trunks is as strong as him so everyone sees it's a big deal>Goku arrives, talks to Trunks and all that shit. But they never go SS, Trunks doesn't have SS, Goku didn't master SS>the rest of the arc progresses as normal but with lower powerlevels due to lack of SS>Vegeta's SS debut is after the RoSaT, replacing Grade 2>same for Trunks' SS debut replacing Grade 3, he's actually stronger than Vegeta but a worse fighter and that's why he fails even harder than his father>Goku finally masters SS after the RoSaT, but Gohan didn't unlock the form>vs Cell is SS Goku's second fight ever, he then sends Gohan, the plan is even crazier because they think Gohan is too young and green to go SS>then his SS2 awakening is just him going SS (with the SS2 design obviously)>that way we get rid off transformation bloat and part of the massive powercreep, with 16, 17, 18 and 19 all being behind FF Freeza and only Cell after absorbing his first android reaching the legendary Super Saiyan's realm of powerDid I fix it?
>>556161009Of course they will, Mai is a main character now
>>556161009Unfortunately.
>>556160298No he explicitly didn't go to Namek, and explicitly didn't see Trunks (or Goku, or Vegeta) turn into a Super Sayian (further reinforced by Trunks not being a part of Cell, but Frieza and Cold were).
>>556159372No they fucking aren't, Salagir, read the manga.
>>556161320Anon cell verbatim says that they could have gotten trunks' dna but they had enough saiyan DNA by that point, it had nothing to do with gero just happening to see frieza but not trunks somehow
Forgot to post the panel
>>556161089That's basically how Super operates with SSB/UI, less about reaching the next form and more about mastering the one you achieved previously and keeping the arc villains' power closer to eachother rather than>this is Cell he has three (four) forms and the weakest one fodderizes the androids that fodderize the Super Saiyans that fodderize the other androids that fodderize the previous arc's villain
>>556119013>SSJ1: Brown tail>Everything else: GoldIt only makes sense. GT also clearly intended to follow this design ideology, regardless of a few botched .5 second frames
>>556161660Jiren hard fodderizes basically everything sans UI, though
>>556161653>>556161472If the computer saw Trunks go Duper Sayian when that's not something that it thinks alll Sayians can do, why would it not take his cells?
>>556162305It saw goku go super saiyan too, though. It already had Goku's cells so there's no real reason to get new ones
>>556162407Speaking of head cannon's. When does Cell say the computer saw a Super Sayian
>>556162768I mean we quite literally see the images of frieza being cut and half and cold dead on the floor. Like did it just zoom in on those specifically and not look at who was doing it
>Toriyama obviously getting burnt out and making shit up as he goes along, something he was doing since the King Piccolo arc and arguably earlier>WHY DIDN'T EVERYTHING THAT GOT EXPLAINED MAKE SENSE; TORIYAMA SHOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN IN JAIL FOR THESE INCONSISTENCIESlol
>>556162407>It already had Goku's cellsExplicitly saiyan saga Goku though. Not only they show Goku from saiyan saga, Piccolo comments Cell's kamehameha wasn't much to speak of because it was Goku's kamehameha "from back then".
>>556162902You mean to imply that it isn't a flashback for the readers and is a PoV shot of the Computer seeing through the drones?
>>556163115You could argue either way. But given that Cell explicitly says the bee drones are there to watch their every move and we do know that it had the opprotunity to get trunks' dna before he departed back to his own timeline, it would be pretty silly to imply that the spy drone simply did not see that one fight for some reason
>>556161089We can go deeper>no SS2 for no reason in Gohan vs Kibito>Goku only needs SS for Yakon but he's VERY strong, Vegeta notices and sees himself surpassed>Majin Vegeta vs Goku just uses SS>Gohan hasn't mastered his SS and jobs to Buu>SS3 is just SS Goku full power, gets sparks like Gohan did at the Cell Game but it's not a new form>when Gotenks fights Super Buu he just nevers goes SS in the RoSaT, the kids don't even have SS at all>so instead having SS3 Gotenks the big surprise is that a 7yo and a 8yo combined managed to turn into SS thanks to the power of fusion, no more SS bargain sale>SS Gotenks fails to beat Super Buu, Gohan arrives with Ultimate, Goku and Vegeta fuse into SS Vegito etc>Buu regresses to kid so Goku thinks his overpowered SS-self that could take fat Buu could also take kid Buu, Vegeta's SS form at full power jobs while Goku charges the Spirit Bomb, the end>even ties into nuDB, Goku's sparky SS jobs to Beerus, Vegeta reaches sparky power when he goes ORE NO BURUMA, now they are pretty much tied until SSG arrives>future Trunks' SS is sparky because he's very strong after all this time, no SS2 or SS Rage. The U6 saiyans' SS2 forms are so irrelevant they aren't even in both versions of Super. SS2 and SS3 existence can be completely ignored for the rest of SuperThis way saiyans only get (L)SS, SSG and SSB, and god forms are no longer scaled absurdly higher than SS because without SS3, Buu arc fusions don't have to be SS3 tier in just SS and then have their own SS3 forms, fusions are just considerably stronger than the fusees and SSG is considerably stronger than that, nothing about SSG being thousands of times above golden forms.
>>556163430Why would we assume the bee drones function any different from any other purely mechanical scouter we see in Dragonball? It saw suppressed Trunks and then blew up when Frieza powered up. Supressed Trunks wouldn't be very interesting to the computer or Gero or anyone. Cold and Frieza would be.The computer doesn't need to get Trunks' cells from Trunks, it could just swab the cooler he brought with him, as it would have to do with Frieza because Frieza was disintegrated.
>>556161897As per SH Jobren is canonically not that impressive compared to SSB, he's just a good fighter, which is why he jobs to UI.
>>556164372>It saw suppressed Trunks and then blew up when Frieza powered upAnon there is a literal bee drone that is just watching piccolo versus cell. A piccolo that is significantly stronger than frieza and trunks were back at that encounter
>>556164398Ah yes the good fighter technique of standing still and tanking punches. It's a retcon, ToP Jiren the no longer canonical character is a monster.
>>556164486You can make a better scouter, Babadi's "scouter" was able to withstand far greater powerlevels than the one's Freiza used. There was a three year time skip for the Computer or Gero to improve them. Alternatively turn the scouter off and leave the camera on.
>>556164813why are we making up this entire scenario where the bee bot exploded when seeing full powered frieza and no one ever saw super saiyan trunks instead of just assuming gero never checked the cameras. Which he explicitly said he did not do
>>556164640>they just changed it okay?!You can cry all you want but Toriyama was clear, DBS main antagonists are all comparable to SSB Goku/Vegeta
>>556164896No again he explicitly did not say that. Why would he make a Frieza level fighters when he didn't know about anybody that strong.
>>556165006Yes, he did
Please do a scenario where cell becomes good and fights Majin Piccolo
>>556164270>SS Gohan's full power sparks are magenta like Beast's>SS Goku's are blue, the original color for the MC>SS Vegeta's are purple like in that pic, UE foreshadow>SS Trunks's are cyan like SS Rage's energy and the genkidama sword>LSS sparks are green duh>fusions never show their sparks so no reason to worry about thatThe manga even had SS Black with sparks (not SS2) you can make those pink for Rose
This talk reminds me how much Toriyama relied on some sort of spy drones for villains to catch up with DB's events.>Gero used them and checked them out up until saiyan saga. His computer kept collecting data up until Mecha Freeza>Sorbet used them to see what's up with Earth and (somehow) learned that Goku killed Buu>Magenta also used spy drones (Likely Gero's) to record Trunks' fight with Mecha Freeza, and is aware of Buu despite the memory wipe. Hedo himself used his own bee to spy on Carmine and Magenta>Gomah used magic to see Buu saga's events (And somehow missed fat Buu surviving in the end), plus Arinsu stealing a Buu fragment. Unlike the rest, he keeps using it to see what everyone is doing
>>556165134No, he explicitly said there were no cameras on Namek. You can say he's implying he didn't check the cameras again, but implicitly is not a synonym of explicitly.
>>556160664If you could make yourself a thousand times stronger than the guy you despise wouldn't you do it
>>556165518He does, however, explicitly say that he would have no reason to do so because he's calculated that any power jumps post saiyan saga would not matter. I'm honestly not even sure what we're arguing here. Knowing about frieza and king cold but somehow not knowing about super saiyan requires several leaps in logic instead of just saying "they're that strong because he wanted to be prepared"
>>556165980You cut off the important line, but it's fine.Dr. Gero is saying why he thought he didn't beed to send drones to Namek. He realized he was wrong when Frieza and Cold arrived on Earth, but he would rather die that admit he miscalculated to Goku and co because that's the type of guy Gero is proven to be a few pages later.
>>556165309You had your chance, Supersonic Warriors 2
>>556166872>He realized he was wrong when Frieza and Cold arrived on EarthThere is zero evidence of this, though. I cut that line because all it does is back up my argument that he DIDN'T look at the cameras. Gero has absolutely no reason to lie about not watching the cameras and even if he did why would he be throwing himself into this kind of danger despite knowing how strong they are. As well as the fact that if gero WAS watching the cameras he should have been watching the training arc in the three year gap and should have no reason to be suprised about anything that's happening
The androids being stronger than frieza isn't even really an argument to support gero knowing about frieza. Because the androids aren't even frieza tier, they're several levels BEYOND that. there is nothing he could have possibly seen strong enough to justify 17, 18, and ESPECIALLY 16 being as strong as they are even if he did somehow see frieza in this hypothetical scenario
>>556167412When did Gero find time to build his Androids if he was watching Goku all the time? Why wouldn't he only be watching when high power levels are detected.
>>556168839High power levels? Like the times goku would have been training while in super saiyan during the three year gap? Which we see him doing so on the chapter image?
>>556168946Covers are canon now?
>>556169520Most of the chapter covers that aren't volume covers pretty much just show off whatever's currently happening in the story so yeah i'd say so
>>556169679When did this happen?
>>556169520>>556169679Plus Gohan and Piccolo are aware of Goku's power as a super saiyan to the point they're the only ones who notice how weak Goku is while fighting 19, and since Goku only trained with them (Tien went to train on his own, Yamcha and Krillin refused to train with Goku since they feel they can't keep up with him), you can assume Goku used SS1 when training with them even without the cover.
>>556169894same time everyone turned into chibi forms to show off the current android dynamics. there are some covers that are clearly didn't actually happen, hence why I said most as the large majority of them are in fact showing off stuff that just happened or are about to happen. Honestly i'm not even sure why we're arguing anymore given this entire argument stands on the premise of outright rejecting given exposition and assuming they're lying because you're just unable to understand why gero would make the androids so strong. There is no answer for why gero made the androids so strong, he just did
Scientists while creating the atomic bomb>ummmm isn't this TOO overkill relative to the level of firepower we have now? Let’s scope down a bitGero was a mad scientist who created killing machine weapons, why wouldn't he make them as strong as he could
>>556170701the atomic bomb being overkill is the point of an atomic bomb, it's supposed to be so devestating it shocks the enemy into surrender or keeps them from getting into a fight entirely. I don't think Gero was participating in shock and awe tactics he just wanted goku dead
>>556170357So the covers are canon when it's convenient to you? No actual criteria. >>556170315>...as a super Saiyan Goku's strength should be greater>should beWhy doesn't he know. How would Piccolo and Gohan even get meaningfully trained with SSJ Goku, he should just slap them around.
Hmmmm...
>>556171051we're past the covers by this point anon, i'm genuinely curious what your point even is. Why is it so unrealistic that gero would just make strong androids just because he can
>>556171195>Cell accepts the loss fair and squareZero chance. Cell literally got king Piccolo's evil heart, he would never graciously accept he organized the whole big Cell tournament that will decide the fate of the galaxy just to lose and leave swearing>I-I will get you guys next time *sniff sniff*Also DBC is shit
>>556171471>Cell literally got king Piccolo's evil heartWhen was this ever stated? He got cells from majunior not dkp
>>556171595It was in one of the Q&A from the colored volumes of the original manga, he mentioned King Piccolo wanted to conquer the world and make people shake in fear just like Cell and said maybe that was king Piccolo's influence on him.
>>556171595https://youtu.be/1Y2QW9dUR9M?si=jxfjYTlo5nWh7sBU
>>556172058That's kind of a weird thing to go for when frieza's dna is right there
>>556171051>Why doesn't he know.Anon, he knows. The moment Goku turned super saiyan, Piccolo has a somewhat confused facial expression, and he was the only one who noticed Goku was struggling until Gohan arrived and quickly was confused at Goku's performance as well, so both of them are more or less aware of how much effort Goku should be making. He says Goku "should be" stronger than this exactly because Goku is struggling when he shouldn't, and Piccolo doesn't know what's up with Goku.
>>556171312Oh sorry I did say that. I don't know why I said that.Gero saw Frieza, but the androids strength makes sense or doesn't make sense regardless.
Seeing people not realize Goku can hold back when training made me realize no one has said a meme about Goku holding back in forever.
>>556172864What's the point of going Super Saiyan to hold back?
>>556172648so like this entire conversation is just a back and forth on the assumption that gero saw frieza but didn't see anything else. Why not just go with the most simple conclusion. That he simply did not see antything past saiyan saga
>>556173013Nah because Gero saw Frieza and King Cold, why would he not have an alert for high power levels?
>>556173147Is there anything in the narrative to suggest that he would have such a thing? Because that's not even how the bee drones are shown to operate. They just watched at all times
>>556173327Yeah but again when would Gero have had time to build his androids if he was always watching Goku, most days Goku would just be like doing basic training and eating and having sex with Chi-Chi, why would Gero watch all that?
>>556173147>Gero sees Freeza>Somehow missed out on Trunks killing both of them not even 10 minutes after they arrivedHow does that make any sense anon?
>>556173537Scouters explode sometimes! Gero would have no evidence of Genki anywhere near the level of one of the chill guys, let alone two of them just spawning in, why would his scouters be prepared for that?
>>556172149Freeza doesn't want to become a demon king-like figure of terror for all society, he's bussiness man. Tyranical and with more corpses in his basement you can possibly count, but still.
Rewatched Superhero and I kinda feel like beast Gohan's physical transformation was unnecessary, am I tasteless? I think it would have been just as cool or cooler to see him simply get serious and angry. God, Blue, UI, Ultra Ego, Orange all start to feel silly and gimmicky with Gohan's big hair it's looks like different franchise or a parody. Gohan doesn't need new hair to make him relevant I just want to see him actually fight people, the lack of his own new personal transformation was never the issue when Ultimate was barely explored.If Dragon Ball keeps going I feel like every character is going to get their own magical weapon or some shit in a few years
I'm both anticipating and dreading Age 1000. >We could finally get another game that's faithful to Toriyama's art style like Super DBZ and DBO, and unlike those two it's being made with modern tech and has no reason to look ugly>6-7 (8 in 2027) years of development>DBO inspired, possibly a reboot of what happens in the far future>we're either finally getting a game with what-ifs or it'll provide us with an arsenal of original villains like DBO did>Toriyama's evidently had more of a hand on this than any other game since DBOAt the same time....>the pretty cgi teaser doesn't mean the actual game looks good>no idea how mucdh covid + switching from Yamamuro to Shintani + going from UE4 to UE5 + Toriyama passing away + possible issues with the rights could have impacted development>the ideas could suck >50% chance for more "oh no we turned Cell purple (again) beat him up!">could be lying or exaggerating about Toriyama's involvement
>>556173846>why would his scouters be prepared for that?16's radar can detect the much stronger Piccolo fighting and nothing happens to his radar. Plus the spy drones observed Cell and Piccolo fighting and nothing happened to them either. There's no reason to believe any detection device exploded.
Are you retards still debating this? Gero didn't know about SS so he didn't see Freeza, case closed.
>>556174043>like Super DBZI was just thinking about it a few hours agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU4T5aZnYBcFucking PEAK that has never been replicated, what the fuck are they waiting for?
>>556173846Why is scouters exploding evidence that all ki detection methods are liable to explode. Gero's ki detection methods have never exploded or even so much as overloaded when sensing superior powerlevels, so i'm not sure how this is evidence
>>556175012We could have gotten a manga accurate game in Kakakrot, but either CC2 couldn't hack it, or Bandai (as per usual) made it difficult. And now the game looks poorly rendered and clayish.
>>556175159>Gero's ki detection methods have never exploded or even so much as overloaded when sensing superior powerlevelsReminds me of an anon who pointed out Mecha Freeza was used to show Gero's technology is superior to Freeza's army's>Freeza is confident he can take on Goku explicitly because of the improvements he got from his technology>Trunks easily kills him>Trunks later claims two androids are far stronger than Trunks himselfIt didn't stop at just "make stronger cyborgs/androids" too, since Gero's methods are so good that not even Semi Perfect Cell or Super Vegeta overloaded 16's battle power detection.
>>556175159There's also DBS BR prerelease material specifying modern scouters no longer explode, that's the only reason they don't blow up when Broly is found. Kinoko's power radars are just inferior to Gero's
>>556176551>since Gero's methods are so good that not even Semi Perfect Cell or Super Vegeta overloaded 16's battle power detection.Actually you can go even higher given his ki detection methods didn't explode when goku was fighting perfect cell. Unless you just want to say that Gero was futureproofing his ki detection 27 years in advance and also just generally knew how strong cell was gonna be too
They better add this outfit to Sparking Zero
>>556174021the point of it was to bring him and Piccolo up to UI level strength.
>>556174021>If Dragon Ball keeps going I feel like every character is going to get their own magical weapon or some shit in a few yearsI actually don't think they are now with Toriyama gone and they can't hide behind his name anymore. He conveniently gave Gohan and Piccolo something new before he passed and modern db is likely gonna stick with those 5 forms on that Toyo cover. With UI being Toriyama's last Goku form and I don't think they're gonna one up it.
>>556176832>Goku trascending waku waku and Vegeta actually tired of getting his ass kickedCursed
>>556177517Toyotaro also doesn't seem to like making too many forms for the good guys, he makes the them improve their best form instead (SSB until the ToP, UI after) so I don't expect UI Kaioken, UE Evolution, Beast 2, Orange Dragon or stuff like that until we are many years after Super ends and Superdivers or whatever next arcade game they have wants to make up some stuff
>>556175159FUCK ME!I thought Babidi's power meter also exploded, this did not happen. This hurts my argument substantially.
>Gero's power radar never exploded>Babbidi's kirimeter never explodedKikonobros... are we frauds?
>>556177535>Goku transcending wakuover chi-chi's dead body
>>556174021I say more humans other than Krillin needs new forms.Krillen got the selfless state to put him up to ssblue level, but what about Tien and Yamcha
>>556181129>Krillin got the selfless state to put him up to ssblue levelHate to tell you this anon, but Toei writers completely forgot that form even exists. It's hilarious that this is the same thread that talked about DB Super filler being "canon".
>>556181129>Krillen got the selfless state to put him up to ssblue levelAnon this absolutely did not happen. He had to defeat a guy using a stinky shoe
>>556180097A fan explanation I found kinda funny was over in Tuffle Quest; the Frieza Force reverse engineered Scouters so shoddily they would explode instead of just display an error message like they were "supposed" to.
>this game came out in 2004It's insane how good B3 still looks even today.
>>556182163It has strong art direction, thats really it. It shows its age substantially but holds up because the art direction for all models is coherent, consistent, and crafted well. Compare also something like Mega Man Legends, it's ancient by modern standards but it's cel shaded style is crafted well and makes it hold up even after all these years.
>>556176551>>556177046This wraps around to if 16 has a power set.>>556175159>>556179556I will now change my argument. Frieza Force Scouters explode at different Power level load, the common type explode at what would make you easily a top ten combatant in the Frieza force. The Scouters on the Ginyu force and on Frieza himself can handle at least the power level of the second best combatant in the Frieza Force (Great Ape Vegeta). The highest reading the Power Meter reads in it's existence was for (possibly suppressed) SSJ1 Goku, Buu arc scaling is weird but I don't think I am going out on a hot take saying SSJ1 Goku isn't as strong as either Kid Buu or Fat Buu. The creators of the Power Meter would have been aware of multiple beings above what it is forced to scan. Gero has no idea a Genki user can put out an output 1/1500th of one of the two beings that showed up on Earth that day, why the fuck would he be prepared for that.
>>556183782Assuming the power meter in the bee bot did explode due to the high powerlevels during frieza versus trunks, it is likely that it would have instantly exploded the second frieza got near because he supresses his powerlevel through forms, and he's in his final form. So the bee bot should have just instantly exploded the second the ship landed on earth if this were the case. There's also the fact that we straight up know the fight was captured on video because Magenta shows it off in superhero, so this entire conversation is moot
>>556184060I don't know about this character called Magenta but I'm certain they weren't in the Dragon Ball Manga. Should I start pulling out my references to Android 13, 14 and 15?>Assuming the power meter in the bee bot did explode due to the high powerlevels during frieza versus trunks, it is likely that it would have instantly exploded the second frieza got near because he supresses his powerlevel through forms, and he's in his final formYeah and...
>>556184581Magenta is from Super hero, the movie toriyama directly made. >Yeah and...And therefore it's unlikely Gero would have gotten much of anything from frieza. And even then if he sees this super powerful being come around that's assumedly defeated by these Z fighters who are now objectively much stronger than original calculations, why would Gero say the opposite to the Z fighters? He would have no reason to so much as bring it up much less lie about that
Legends never gets brought up when it comes to visuals and model quality, which is weird because a lot of the newer ones look great.
>>556184974Legends is in a weird state. A lot of the models already looked fine, so there's some diminishing returns like with Ultra SS4 Goku and Vegeta, they can make up for that though with more and better facial expressions and animations, which is what we see with this Buu.But there's also the fact that it's always a dice roll on whether or not the character is going to be high quality, and when there's an easy way out they take it. Like people have been begging for an Ultra Goku for years, he was the climax of the recent Legends Fest, naturally you would think he was awesome, right? Well he's got 3 generic Super Kamehamehas back to back, and (despite being able to reuse SS3 kid Goku's final counter) he's FullPower Goku and not when he first transformed, so both the intro and ink art are meh. Meanwhile, SS2 Gohan is part 2 (normally not as interesting as part 1 or 3), and he's got one of the best LFs in the game
>>556184804>Magenta is from Super hero, the movie toriyama directly made.That's still not the Dragon Ball manga.>And therefore it's unlikely Gero would have gotten much of anything from friezaHe would have gotten the last reading before the Bee Drones exploded, the equivalent to a Power level of 12 or 13 million in whatever scale Gero was using. Then he would have sent be drones back to the sight later, found the cells of Frieza, the tail of Cold and the cells of the Z warriors (including Goku) in the area and the cells of a mysterious Saiyan. From there it's pretty obvious Goku defeated them, with a degree of help.>Why would he challenge them when they are so powerfulBecause Goku could have a powerlevel of 25 million and Android 19 (the weakest of the six Androids Gero will have ready in three years, and of the five Gero would willingly use) could steam roll him, let alone what the three infinite stamina models could do to him. Goku's new strength is well with-in parameters for Victory.
>>556185480I hate the fact that Legends is a gacha so they have to hold certain things hostage just so they can sell them later. DBL is the ONLY 3D game that can copy Goku's transcendent Kamehameha 1:1 (breaking through the 3 demon realms) and still make it a playable attack that can be used on anyone. Just like they're still the only game that can do that with Goku and Frieza's team attack. We missed our chance with the LF, and now we have to wait who knows how long with the Ultra, and the Ultra may not even do it either. It sucks. Their quality is so inconsistentSame for the transformation. We can be lucky and they add it to the intro and ink art, or they're going to be lazy and just add the pose like Sparking Zero did.
>>556185875>>Why would he challenge them when they are so powerfulThat's not what I said though, I'm talking about Gero saying that any further large scale leaps of strength being an impossibility due to goku's age. This straight up didn't happen. Gero should know this straight up didn't happen if he saw that the z fighters defeated a frieza level foe. So why would he say that
>>556186115Why did Gero say that at all if he wasn't lying? Android 20 has a scouter. When Goku knocked his hat off, was Goku suppressed to a power level of 90,000 at most? What if Gero just killed him.
>>556186061That just reminded me that as good as the new Gohan looks, he STILL doesn't have his Kamehameha shoot out into space, but he has the background turn into the remains of the cell games arena for his win screen.
>>556186442why would he say it if he WAS lying? Why would he lie about that? All it does is make him look incompetent to the Z fighters which is what happened
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>>556186594It's a strange line, but he has to be lying unless every Z warrior was suppressing themselves to a very dangerous degree while people were dying.Anyway, Gero seems to have a chronic lying issue. Remember he could sense SSJ Vegeta and still sent 19 out like nothing was wrong.
>>556186864that's not lying that's just overconfidence that it wouldn't matter due to energy absorbtion making up the difference, which is what happened with goku
>>556186968Let's be clear while people are dying on Amenbo island, Goku and Piccolo never unsupressed themselves. By the way how did super suppressed Goku dodge 20's attack?
>>556187513He's not supressed, though? He's clearly displaying his full power and was attempting to end the fight as fast as possible. He was weaker than he should be due to the heart virus but I have no idea why you're assuming he's supressed. The opposite is true and it's why the heart virus got him
>>556184974>>556185480>>556186061I just want offline version of Legends where I can freely watch the cool animations without having to spend forever to roll for these characters.
>>556188148they should just be on youtube, aren't they?
>>556187768Woah! Heart Virus Goku is still way stronger than what Gero should be expecting (if he didn't see Cold).What about Piccolo by the way, Piccolo is in peak health is he suppressed in this panel? Why would he be, and Piccolo while no Super Sayian still has the power to fuck up Android 19 or 20 after they got fed.How could Goku even touch 20 if he had a PL of 90,000? (Even a powerlevel of 90,000 is a further large leap over the Saiyian Saga, but it's fine)
>>556188741>Woah! Heart Virus Goku is still way stronger than what Gero should be expectingWell, yes. He says as much that it exceeded what he had calculated goku's strength to be. Anways this argument is going in circles i'm not going to convince you that get didn't see frieza so you can keep believing that
>>556188962I have no idea why you asked me why Gero was lying then. If he's lying either way.
>>556188741>Why would Piccolo with no super saiyan be able to keep up with 19 and 20 after they got fed?author favoritism.
>retards still arguing the Gero shit after three daysSlow week huh?
>>556189183>Why would Piccolo with no super saiyan be able to keep up with 19 and 20 after they got fed? Nobody said this though
>>556189292eh even if we were actually getting news these guys would still be autistically debating about unrelated shit the whole time
>>556189597Honestly I apologize i just kind of tab out and come back to reply to shit that I don't really realize how much It shits up the thread until I go back to look. I'll try and cut down on that
>sparking zero>Vegeta’s story only goes to buuIm so glad I didn’t pay for this shit.
>mfw the Dragonball threat contains Dragonball discussions.
>>556190092there's a pretty distinct difference between 'talking about dragon ball' and 'spending 3 days arguing about power levels'
>>556191365>mfw there is power level discussion in the thread about martial arts power fantasy.
>>556192072martial arts is just gay larping, building sick robots to dab on the jackie chan wannabes is the actual metaoh they got stronger? just build a new robot and catch up instantly lmao
>>556192393the strongest androids aren't even robots, GMOs really are the future baybee
>>556192474Super 17
>>556192581he's only half robot
>>556192072i uh don't see the connotation between 'power fantasy' and autistically arguing about number scaling all daypower fantasies are normally a little more braindead than that
>>556192735Actually, I don't think did Gero see how strong King Cold? Is a power scaling debate.
I'm just still wondering why android 21 is named that instead of cell 2 but you really would think the biological androids like 17 and 18 would also be a separate line like cell is so fuck if I know maybe gero just gave up naming and went back to the numbers
>>556193004Cell isn't numbered because Gero died before he was born. And life starts at birth not conception
>>556193108Gero died before 21 was born too, tho
>>556193145Sorry that's bad writing. I don't know what you were expecting from a fighting game.
>>556192072>>556190092You write like a massive faggot
>>556193589Well I do appear to have hurt your ass, so...
>>556180950That can be arranged
you know the more I look into dragonball fanfiction the more afraid I become of women. What do you mean 12 million words what could this possibly even be about
>>556174021To be fair, during the ToP arc he did say he wanted to go further beyond. We thought it was metaphorical at the time, but I guess Toriyama meant it literally.
>>556194907>12 million wordsThat's like 12 bibles. That's like 24 Lord of the Rings.
>>556175012Arika's too busy working on Tekken 8. Maybe once they stop doing DLC, then maybe Bamco could throw them a bone just in case Arcsys doesn't feel like doing anything.
>>556194907>No IncestTerrible news for the resident Panpedos
>>556195041the most fucked up thing is that this fanfic only started in late 2024. 12 million words in under 2 years. If this isn't written by AI i'm genuinely afraid of this writer
>>556182163>>556185480It's pretty crazy how much Dimps has evolved over the years.
>>556194907I'll just stick to crossovers, thanks.
>>556194907>DBS Mai is DB Mai's daughter and she renamed herself to Meilin in the time gapyuuup, definitely written by a woman because who the FUCK actually cares that much about mai being into trunks
>>556145547>16 is that much less evil than the rest
>>556195219It's not that hard actually.Considering it's 1200 chapters, that's about 1000 words per chapter. 1000 words is pretty easy, I guess the issue would be getting inspiration to do that 1200 times, but autism finds a way.I'm writing a fanfic write now and I'm writing at a fast pace, and got all this out in just over a week. Nowhere near 12 million, but my words to chapter pace exceeds that author's. More people here should try writing. I'm not good, nor are most people on AO3, but writing fanfiction is a fun exercise.
>fanfic>written by a womanImagine my shock
>>556195436>>556195625Well yeah, obviously. Men don't write full fanfics, they summarize them as "what if" videos.
>>556195610I mean I guess i'm just wondering what narrative could they possibly be writing that justifies that much put into it. I've seen OGDB to Z fics get like maybe a million or two words but 12 million?
>>556195610I'd love to try my hand at writing fanfics. Especially since apparently, you can get paid for it if someone likes it enough.
You guys just made me remember I randomly found this girl's viking AU about Granolah and I honestly fear the slippery floors once the pretty boy is animated, specially considering how mentally unstable he is for most of the arc
>>556196003the main people I see get paid for fanfics are people who churn out smut slop fiction for naruto and stuff. Not to discourage you it's a great hobby and all but I wouldn't go into it for the money unless you're willing to write some truly bottom of the barrel stuff>>556196080what do you mean there's more than one norse-esque dragonball au
>>556196003This won't happen unless you get really big and can get people to want to pay for early chapters, or if you just write commissioned pornography (which is probably a dying field due to AI).Getting paid to write is more of an original writing thing. /lit/'s /wng/ has better advice for that though.
>>556195812Unironically, autistic women are DEDICATED people when they come to writing fanfics. Not even just as like shipping fics, in general they will have an output that is both frighteningly consistent and deep as the ocean trenches. Something like Dragon Ball has the right kind of hook in plot, characters, setting, etc. that will get an autistic woman with an interest in it invested like near nothing else.
>>556196003gonna be honest with you, if you want to get paid you'll be writing fetish fics and weird ship fics most of the timeyou may think that sounds fine, but when you're writing about launch in a diaper sucking optimus prime's robodick you'll be wondering where you went wrong in life
>>556196178Kek there's like five of those man.
>>556195610Actually, I miscounted. It's 10,000 words per chapter, which is kind of insane.Secondly, I skipped to Chapter 1200 of that story and it was just Goku and Gohan having this very angsty gay romance scene, so I can see where they got the inspiration.
>>556196297>like near nothing elsei don't think anything'll ever beat harry potter/MCU/MHA
>>556196297no no I understand that. I've been in the trenches enough to see that one female author that written several stories of frieza raping their OC. But that's multiple stories. This is just one singular narrative and writing a singular story that long is just??? How do you even get a narrative to be that long, is it all filler? Is it even well paced? I'm genuinely confused>>556196378Most of the porn people pay patreons to write for isn't actually that degenerate as much as it is generic. Spam of just the most basic haremfics where you suffer very little pressure and spamming stuff like systems where they get 9999xp for punching a saibaman
>>556195625Yeah women write and read more than men, after all
>>556196565The MCU is small potatoes to ACTUAL comics fanfics.
>>556195807>what if Goku was HIV positive part 759 59:99
>>556196629You get the weird fetishes (and better/more consistent pay) if you throw your work out there.Generally you need to "target" a demographic while making mention of how you take commissions, and since it's a niche, people will pay pretty well. I've done rates of up to $65 per 1000 words, and people have paid out over $300 for just a story where their OC gets (I can't really say this shit). But as I said in another post- this is a dead market. AI is actually replacing this since now, people can just have an AI do a long RP with them and achieve the same end result.
>>556196080She was clapping with her lower lips when she drew this
>>556197001For comissions, sure. But for the model of "get people to pay for chapters in advance" type stuff which is stuff I see the most nowdays, you want to be casting as wide of a net as possible and sloppifying it as much as you can to rake in those big bucks
>>556196080I gotta admit, they did very well with his reaction to finding out Freiza was alive again, everybody was disturbed at how fucked up this guy was mentally from the get go, then it became funny as hell when he turned into sasuke uchiha right down to getting cocky about his sharingan, ditching his buddy, getting his shit kicked in, trying to rage quit when he still couldn't put Vegeta down and after getting lore dumped from Minoto he went on that EVERYBODY BETRAY ME I FED UP WITH THIS WORLD rant and then jobbing to man with gunI don't know who will voice Granola it's gonna be fucking funny if his role in xenoverse 2 will be getting turned purple and actually killing Goku and Vegeta and we have to stop him from doing that before helping him, Goku and Vegeta fight Gas.The final funny moment is that after all of that he's gonna reverse his wish to get his 150 plus years of life back, then destroy the dragonballs effectively making it so universe 7 still has just 2 sets of dragonballs to use in future stories.Oh yeah, with the super dragonballs and the demon realm dragonballs minus Minto's dragonballs this IP has 4 sets of Dragonballs to play with yet only Minntos dragonballs come with a side effect through we only saw them do this wish and not others, the very notion of that particular wish likely comes with a side effect of burning your life away, through that reeks of Toyotaro's power at a cost bs toriyama never cared abotu that shit, so they'll probably keep it, Toei's bitch asses came up with power at a cost too with the black star dragonballs it's so dumb
>>556199417Xenoverse 2 surviving long enough to get dedicated Granolah scenarios has to be someone's nightmare scenario. This game will outlive all of us
>>556199596Mine, my nightmare scenario Christ in hell please let Age 1000 actually be XV3
>>556200031Well Granola's arc will probably start in 2028 I can't imagine it not starting aroudn then that's only 2 years from now, do you really think they'll end xenoverse 2 that long from now? breakers, kakarot and sparking zero will be nothing but memories at that point
>>556195807I've written fanfics before
>>556195807True
Sex with muzeli
>>556196531>10,000 words per chapter, which is kind of insanethat's my average...
>>556201796>>556204209Hello women
>>556190086But then they wouldn't have time for the Jiren and Goku Black stories/sI dunno why they went for character stories instead of a normal storymode when the fromer has been Budokai's thing.
>remember spending hours on FF.net reading whatever I found interesting>get hooked in plot and want more of it>Author just leaves forever and story is unfinished foreverLooking back, some of them weren't good and could be enjoyed if you were a teen back then, but man do I get nostalgic for those days.
>>556191365Just for that I'm going to start a forbidden PL argument. Pic related, who would win?
>>556206247Door was weaker than Vegeta while Slab needed Broly to damage it, Slab wins
>>556206247office building from GT solos
>>556206247Fire hydrant neg diffs.
>>556203815There is no way that is real
>>556206247slab ALWAYS wins hes like the Z broly of objects
>>556206247>>556207523This, but I'd also like to mention glass.While Goku can shatter it, it can also cut him in GT. So I think GT Glass could at least have a power level High enough to cut the Slab.
reminder that boss and old boss got kai married
>>556213486At least she's not homewrecking Bardock anymore
>>556213486IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME, NOT HERIT'S NOT FAIR
17 is the free character this week in GS. Surprisingly, ulthan is one of the trial characters.
Xenoversefags, does the current Revamp mods add unique transformed hair for SS4 transformations with CaCs too?
>>556223668>Surprisingly, ulthan is one of the trial characters.Is he still insanely OP?
>>556225087He got nerfed once he was made free and never again. At worst he was top 2 technical because kidhan had a weird glitch where his S3 debuffed bosses defenses by like 100%, but that's gone now, and another nerf made S3 useless, so now ulthan is number 1 again. His S2 still has massive range, is still fast, he still has easy stuns etc. Big difference between him now and ulthan at his peak is that he has a lot less HP, and his S2 has longer CD. In short, he's still OP.
>>556225521Thanks for the answer, anon.
>>556213486loli ball heroes
>>556234102Based
>>556213486That's like mother and daughter getting married.
>>556234310More like teacher/student really
>this season's GS patch was supposed to reduce penalties for losing to teammates of a guy who AFK'd>in practice, in the past seasons I almost always got 0 penalty when we lost due to our guy AFKing>now I always get the full penaltyWhat the fuck? How did they create a problem that didn't really exist before while claiming they're solving the very problem? What kind of 1984 shit is this?
>>556234941Given the fact that they're Kais, that tends to be similar to the latter in that sort of relationship.
>>556234941I think battle shonen in general tend to overuse the teacher as parent surrogate trope, so people naturally tend to interpret all teacher/student relationship like this.
an alleged epstein outlook account+pass was posted online, so of course the first thing i did was log into it and make a cac using his likeness
>>556239531>"what did you do to my Pan" intensifies
>>555970318The weakest artificial human is #19 who is decisively inferior to Super Saiyan level, he gets hopelessly bodied by SSJ Vegeta and can fight Goku only because the heart virus nerfs him like >90%. I honestly would not be confident #19 would beat Mecha Freeza or at least it would be more of a fight than that
>>556195807A lot of the what if videos are essentially fully fledged fanfics, just in video form for background/second monitor content
>>555976649>why did he assume this clearly non human person who does not and never has operated like a human would have their power growth slowed down in his 30s like a normal human would. As far as Gero knows he's biologically immortalHe can analyse his cells and DNA to determine this
>>556239531he would've liked XV2 given the barrage of dlcs it has, unironically Epstein was one of the people that pushed for microtransactions in games
>>556240720...but Sayians don't age like us so he would have less reason to think that if he checked the cells.>>556240296>can fight Goku only because the heart virus nerfs him like >90%.Where does this come from? This isn't true, Goku bodied 19 until Goku suddenly couldn't stand. I see no reason for the Heart Virus to weaken Goku by much until he starts dying.>I honestly would not be confident #19 would beat Mecha Freeza or at least it would be more of a fight than thatI think you are insane SSJ Trunks could have one shot Cold and Frieza if he wanted to. And he was about as strong as SSJ Yardrat Goku, and this is all before the three time skip.
>>556241894>...but Sayians don't age like us so he would have less reason to think that if he checked the cells.Saiyans reach their physical peak around the same time as humans, their only stated difference is maintaining it for longer but the power plateau in 20s is reasonable and correct.>This isn't true, Goku bodied 19 until Goku suddenly couldn't standThat is completely in line with what I'm saying>SSJ Trunks could have one shot Cold and Frieza if he wanted toHe did one shot Freeza. And I think he would have bodied #19 tooYou seem confused about what I'm arguing here, I'm saying #19 sucks
>>556241081he would use a strike build
>>556199417Toriyama is the one who wrote Goku saying>calm down it's not like Freeza can wish to become the strongest in the universeThen worked on Granolah's arc at same time he wrote Piccolo wishing for a power boost in SH. The wish cost isn't some inherent monkey pawn thing of the balls, it's just that specific wish because without the extra cost neither Granolah nor Gas would reach GoD tier, making it so you can only reach that with a huge sacrifice is both thematically proper and the only way it makes sense why nobody else wishes to become the strongest
>>556242519It retroactively would've been extremely easy to abuse this in the Z era, the aging would be negligible based on the powerscaling we see in Super. And plenty of our heroes would've volunteered to die for this anyway
>>556240296The good guys were sure 19 and 20 were the androids that caused the apocalypse in the future even after seeing SS Trunks oneshot Mecha Freeza, of course they are stronger than Freeza.
>>556240296>>55624208219 and 20 did start as weaker than some of the z-fighters but Dr Gero's plan was to trick them and steal their energy, then they would become way more powerful than the z-fighters. That's why they start destroying a random city, it's not for no reason it's to bait out the z-fighters so they can steal their energy and become more powerful than them. But luckily Vegeta figured it out and ripped off 19's hands that he was using to steal energy.
>>556242750They were sure of this because they were artificial humans who attacked at the right place at the right time, but the heroes did question that they seemed rather underwhelming. Both Goku and Vegeta were capable of just soloing 19 and 20 then and there and that would've been it
>>556242673Other than Piccolo nobody can even live as much so they wouldn't get the same boost, it's just cerelians that live 200 years and Heeta that looks like they live even more (either than or they live the same but have a super long childhood like saiyans, because Gas fought Bardock as a toddler and would have fought Goku as a pre-teen 40 years later)
>>556242960Kamesenninalso Chaozu seems to have eternal youth
>>556242082>That is completely in line with what I'm sayingNo, what proof do you have that the Heart Virus is a substantial nerf to power before it starts killing him. Sloppy is the word Piccolo uses not weak.>He did one shot, FreezaI remember Trunks toying with Frieza for a bit, but I also remember the power meter exploding, so what do I know.>And I think he would have bodied 19 too Would he? Somebody says he is relative to Yardrat Goku, Goku then trained intensly for three years before showing up to fight 19.>>556242915Piccolo was also probably capable of soloing 19 and 20.
Piccolo probably inherited the youth wish from Daimao, the only thing there is that the wish didn't actually literally specify that he wants the youth to be eternal, he just says to Shen Long "make me young again like back when I was overflowing with power". So Piccolo might not have eternal youth, but if you think he does then this would be a no brainer
>>556242915At no point they ever question the androids' powerlevels claiming they are too weak, the heroes are under the assumption they just are so well prepared this time they are gonna win, not that the androids are somehow so weak that even if Trunks didn't appear Goku and Vegeta would still have been able to beat them because they are weaker than Freeza
>>556243123>No, what proof do you have that the Heart Virus is a substantial nerf to power before it starts killing him.I don't need any proof for this because it's completely irrelevant to the argument, #19 cannot fight Goku without the heart virus, that is what I said and you are not rebutting that>I remember Trunks toying with Frieza for a bitThis is anime filler>Would he? We can't know for sure but it's also not at all obvious that he wouldn't>Piccolo was also probably capable of soloing 19 and 20.Yes
>>556243032I don't think Goku and Krillin would let their master do something as risky, he could die the very second the wish is granted.>ChaozuIf you don't age, can you even trade your lifespan for power? You aren't "aging stronger" if you aren't aging at all.
What about Karin? What's his expected lifespan from here?
>>556200149>he thinks Sparking Zero will only last two more yearslmao>>556224042Yes
>>556243202I'm not necessarily saying they are weaker than Freeza but the most reasonable reading is that they are inbetween Mecha Freeza and SSJ level, and they(particularly #19) could be closer to the Freeza side of that
>>556243426What's Roshi span even? He's not REALLY immortal, he's a sage, hermit, sennin, whatever you call it, like Karin, so he lives a longass time but at some point he has to die.
>>556243285>19 cannot fight Goku without the heart virus, that is what I said and you are not rebutting that Because it's true.>We can't know for sure but it's also not at all obvious that he wouldn't If 19 was relative to Cold, 19 should have died in one hit from Goku.
>>556243604I do think he could have rushed down #19 if he tried, it just wasn't in his character there
>>556243354if you're immortal the deal would probably involve turning you mortal, which would actually probably be a much higher boost to begin withchaozu instantly jumping to post-UI tier and one shotting nigeeza next arc
>>556243818People would bitch to the ends of the earth and back, but I would love to see the humans catch up before DB Super ends. In the case of Krillin, Tien, and Yamcha, it's not like they have much life span left when EoZ rolls around anyways.
>>556244071tien could probably be a roshi tier sage since he's never slouched on being a martial artist once across the seriesalso I've seen it pointed out that for as much of a meme as he is, yamcha has always had top of the line ki control looking at how he had spirit ball as far back as og and thus could probably viably use kaioken (outside of filler) to jump into relevancy, the tragic irony being he's no longer allowed to shake the buttmonkey reputation because it's too ingrained and goku dusting it off for KKSSB means no one's allowed to touch his marketable skill again
>>556239531the Chronoa Files looking spicy by the minute
>>556244882Honestly, I don't really like the idea of Yamcha being pushed into relevancy again. The buttmonkey reputation wasn't "ingrained" he's ALWAYS been a complete jobber used to eat shit to show off how strong everyone is. He only ever beat goku that one time because goku was hungry. I unironically feel like 99% of the reason why people want yamcha to be relevant is solely because wolf fang fist sounds really cool. It's not even a cool technique it's just "punch fast" it just sounds cool
>>556145547>Pilaf more evil than entire Ginyu Force and Ozaru Saiyans and almost as evil as Janemba (who is pure evil)holy kek
>>556246197for me it's the fact that no version of gohan is pure despite the fact that he can ride the nimbus
>>556246263I don't really mind that because Gohan has the rage stuff going on(although Kid Goku does too). I don't think Kinto'un and the Devilmite Beam operate under the same conditions, Kamesennin still thought Goku would die to the Devilmite Beam despite knowing about Kinto'un and all
>>555966031MO-AH
>>556246420Okay, but what about future gohan and generally buu arc gohan's transformations being considered as impure as krillin. Why does going super saiyan add 3000 evil to buu gohan specifically
>>556239531weird ass nigga
>>556246660Gohan has sexual interest during the Boo arc which increases his evilness>Why does going super saiyan add 3000 evil to buu gohan specificallyRepresents him deliberately jobbing to Dabura and therefore being responsible for all subsequent events by not going SSJ2 for no reason
>>556243818>losing your endless lifespan and becoming a normal human would be a much higher boostI don't think that makes much sense
>>556151608Is there a data table for the raw base damage before defense modifiers?
>>556247261How much power do you think ∞ years of lifespan would be worth?
>>556243578cultivator
>>556243750>I do think he could have rushed down #19 if he triedI don't.>it just wasn't in his character thereWho and why?I think 19 and 20 could kill Yardrat Goku or Future Trunks if they worked together.
>>556247978>Who and why?Goku likes fighting so he didn't go 100% in his first attack to oneshot #19, this was the enemy that was hyped up to him for 3 years.Now, in the anime at least this is different, Goku is noted to be trying to rush the fight and failing because he is weaker than usual because the heart virus debuffs him. That's that. If you think Goku is not debuffed and could not beat #19 easily, you would therefore have to say Vegeta is an order of magnitude stronger than a healthy Goku at that point in time. You can say that but I will not take you seriously.
>>555804946>Speaking of which, horse DB character when?NOW
>>556245564there's a bit of a leap between jobbing but participating and getting downright bullied by the writersalso people probably want him to be relevant because he was presented as one of the main pure earthlings along krillin and tien who DID get some limelight again (even fucking roshi forma nofap got to do more than him) and we're not really spoiled for choice for relevant humans, or they just like him I dunno he's a cool dude
>>556247261when we're converting lifespan to juice directly, kinda does
>>556167602At least he did realise with 16 that he was going too far and decided to cut it back. And then he decided 17 and 18 were too strong too and made 19 and himself even weaker than that. This is a part of the story that people aren't appreciating here, he didn't actually intend to deploy the most grossly overpowered models and had decided they were too much
>>556249347>there's a bit of a leap between jobbing but participating and getting downright bullied by the writersAnon he got slapped out of the ring by roshi blowing some wind, got his shit kicked in by tien and his leg broken, and shen completely demolished him while shitting on him. He's always been bullied and has never been anything more than a punching bag. This is not a new thing
>>556247372>>556249473I don't think that infinite time would be converted, imo you would lose your infinite lifespan and then convert what you naturally have left. Considering the themes doing something like that would make you blow up or make your body perpetually burn with energy like Moro and Gas or something
>>556249582wasn't it more complicated than them being "too much" more in the sense that he just straight up could not control 17 and 18 due to them being too strong? It's never said why specifically he doesn't deploy 16 but it's implied to be for personal reasons. The real question is why Gero didn't make his robot body as strong as 16's but I just headcanon that he only had the materials for one
>>556249759No he's pretty clear that he thinks 16 is just genuinely too strong and it's too dangerous to activate him at all
As for Gero's own body, it's not like he was stuck with that one forever. For all we know he was planning on repurposing 16 to attach his own head to that frame later and that's why he kept him around
>>556249981That doesn't really make sense given how 16 is, though. Like yeah gero plays him up as this hyper dangerous monster but he's completely placid once activated. I'm pretty sure he was just trying to scare 17 and 18 off
If you want to dump the manga you can just do that. There doesn't need to be 100+ posts of you talking to yourself before each page.
>>556250164That doesn't really achieve anything for him. It's more intuitive to see Gero clearly losing his shit with spiky text boxes and interpret it as him genuinely being scared about 16.I imagine 16's personality is that way specifically to counterbalance his obscene power, actually, but that doesn't make him any less dangerous. Realistically Gero can't be 100% confident there are no bugs in the software
>>556250176That's the authentic Z experience though
>>556250356They never outright say it in the manga but it's pretty heavily implied it's because he's in the image of Gero's son, anon. Gero playing up 16's strength is a misdirect to that
>>556250586No that implication genuinely does not exist in the original manga. All of this is unreasonable to take away from what is depicted.It's clearly more logical that Gero is opposed to activating #16 because he is obscenely overpowered, as we see later, and there is nothing anyone can do against him.
>they don't realize Gero didn't want to activate 16 because he didn't want his "son" to be send to battle again, no matter how strong it was
>they don't realize [HEADCANON]
>>556250830That doesn't make any sense because 17 and 18 are also obscenely overpowered and there's nothing anyone can do against them, either. They're also just as capable of annihalating the earth and do as much in the future timeline. They're just as dangerous as 16 and he hesitated very little to activate them
>>556251202>he hesitated very little to activate themHe has a controller to shut them down. And the feds were moments away from knocking down his door and killing him anyway.I don't know why #16 wouldn't have shutdown controls but everything indicates he doesn't, it's not mentioned when Trunks picks up the schematics in the basement either
>>556251328>I don't know why #16 wouldn't have shutdown controls but everything indicates he doesn't,Anon he has a bomb, bulma removed it when she was repairing 16
>>556251398The bombs are something separate from the controller that Gero has when he awakens 17 and 18 that basically puts them in sleep mode, that's how they were asleep to begin with
you know what i'm just not getting in another long ass argument about gero, i'm gonna go play xenoverse and you can just believe what you want
I believe that Dr. Gero was in posession of a remote controller that shut down #17 and #18 and that is why he was willing to deploy them in an unforeseen emergency
>>556249608I never implied it was new, but that's still technically being relevant, and while he was a massive jobber his Z failings at least got treated somewhat seriously (at the time, yamcha pose el em ay oh), and he was still a serious member of the z-fighters all the way through the cell arc and still not a total assclown even in the buu saga post retirement, only really rejecting modernity retvrning to gag tradition in super, so people probably still hold on to that erahell krillin got called stinky and ringed out in 15 seconds in the ToP but he still got to do something
>>556252130I wouldn't really say his Z failings got treated much seriously. Given his loss to the saibaman benched him from both saiyan saga and namek. Same for Tien but at the very least Tien gets his shin kikoho moment. I wouldn't say that yamcha is treated like a serious member at all post gero punching a hole in his chest, he basically doesn't do anything except for take goku home and he's permanently written out of the plot Krillin gets to be relavent because dragonball holds to the idea that Krillin is goku's best friend with an absolute iron fist so he gets a narrative role to stay around. Tien and Yamcha don't really have any particular narrative niches they fill imo. Tien's role has been usurped by both piccolo and vegeta and yamcha's role as designated jobber has also usurped by vegeta. They just don't really serve any particular purpose as character roles
>>556252640by "serious" i mean he's tonally not the butt of jokes, not that he's particularly useful, there's a stark difference between him getting skewered by 20 and getting his dragonballs busted>vegeta even cucks him out of his classic jobber role after cucking him normallywhen will the humiliation end?
>>556253131I mean he seems to be doing okay these days, baseball man yamcha seems to make him happy. IMO it's Tien I really feel nothing about. People act like he deserves to be relavent because of how much effort he puts in and I'm inclined to agree, but narratively he just kind of bloats the cast and doesn't add anything piccolo doesn't already add, you know? Piccolo has so thuroughly ingrained himself as the "smart, stoic one with the super versatile skills" that tien doesn't really have any niche left to squeeze into the team
>>556253407Tien should have been fucking launch and having a kid in DBZ but launch got kidnapped and killed offscreen or something, then they give tien a new love interest (yurin) who is also apparently also killed offscreen and never seen again.
>>556256153I don't think another kid character would have solved anything when they can barely figure out goten and trunks, much less pan and everyone else
>>556256153>>556256247He also already has Chaozu who has been benched since he suicide bombed for 0 damage, figure him out first before any of this
>>556248130I think Goku is not debuffed substantially and he could defeat 19 with low difficulty if he didn't suddenly start dying. I don't think he could no diff one shot 19 though. I also don't think Vegeta could have one shotted 19, I think Vegeta was trying against 19. Vegeta definitely would have bragged about how he was holding back against 19 if he was.I think 19 and 20 are weak compared to post time-skip Goku and Vegeta, but the fact that they didn't die instantly shows that 19 and 20 are in a league above Frieza and Cold.The gap between Frieza and 19 is probably around what the gap of 19 and SSJ Vegeta.
>>556256901>The gap between Frieza and 19 is probably around what the gap of 19 and SSJ Vegeta.That's fine, since you say Vegeta was trying against 19. So 19 would have to try against Freeza, which is about what I was thinking
>>556253407The side characters should all be doing shit on the side that you rarely see, it would expand the world with little effort. Yamcha being good at baseball was the most interesting thing a non Saiyan has done that doesn't feel out of place an unearned in forever. There is plenty of mystical things on earth for them to be messing around withAlmost every character lived more interesting lives before they met Goku
>>556258813That's what filler is for but it also comes with absolutely retarded shit that breaks the story and pacing. I want a tasteful selective filler cut of DB but that is not on anyone's agenda
>>556253407>Piccolo has so thuroughly ingrained himself as the "smart, stoic one with the super versatile skills" that tien doesn't really have any niche left to squeeze into the teamWhat versatile skills does Piccolo even have? Up until Super Hero the most he had was SBC, and all Super Hero added back to his skills is growing giant, which's not particularly useful outside of fighting another giant.
>>556259658his skills are less in a battle sense and more in an analytical sense. Even by androids saga he was exposition man who was explaining the intricacies of battle to the audience while most other people stand there gobsmacked
The dev who thought this was a reasonable mission should have his fingers smashed with a hammer.
Hey guys so this sounds weird and I'm not being suicided by the mossad but you know I love Dragon Ball so much, I love we are back and I love having this place to talk about it with you guys (when the reject isn't ruining it that's it).Love you guys
>>556264405:D
I wish LEE or Fenyo had been around when DBS' manga started.
>>556154373Her AND Launch are gonna harass Tien in DBS Kai.
>>556271378Good joke, Launch stopped existing after Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
>>556270882Lee lost my respect when he restarted Sai just to retell the boring stomping adventures of Vegeta instead of the much more interesting stuff he was building up to with Kakarot.
>>556154373A Jiangshi sorcerer in DB was fun. I don't get why americans were so mad at her.
>>556257242I mean I don't think Vegeta needed to try hard to defeat 19, but he did have to try if he wanted to humilate 19 like he did.
>>556272169They were mad at her?
>>556272246why DID gero program android 19 to feel fear
>>556272560They needed to be able to feel artificial forms of unhelpful emotions so they could learn to overcome them and gain artificial martial arts energy.
>>556272559No, Indians were though
>>556272559Yes. Very. Kinda like they were mad at Caulifla's back tingle.
>>556273613They were mad at Roshi beating Tiens ass, not at her
>>556270882Lee is slow as heck and only works with old style characters, his Beerus, Champa, Vados and Whis are nightmare material.Fenyo is an illustrator, which is drastically different from producing comics/manga.
>>556274704Nah nah I remember this very vividly. People were calling you sexist if you didn't like Caulifla not needing to do any training to become a super saiyan
>>556274813I mean you clearly dont, goten and trunks didn't after all
>>556272560Artificial humans are expensive and it's better for them not to get themselves destroyed
>>55627533416 seems to have zero fear and he's the more expensive model
>>556272560>>556273174Fear is a helpful emotion you dumbasses
>>55627544316 runs away and hides after Cell absorbs #17 and decisively surpasses his power level, seems reasonable to me
>>55627544316 is just a chill guy, and he still lost his shit with Cell
>>556088991>when she was popular???She still is
Will the Grand Kaioshin finally be playable in real videogames? I know SDBH even had a Kai Kai Matoru copy (like when they did a Gamma Burst Flash copy for SSG Vegeta in other games)
You know, with real life AI development right now it's actually shaping up to be more difficult to make AI not feel fear, it seems. LLMs demonstrably perform better if you threaten them with violence, so it's possible making robots emotionally human-like is just the path of least resistance
>>556276114>LLMs demonstrably perform better if you threaten them with violencei had read they perform better if you're nice to them like a year ago
>>556276847Both are true with humans so both can be true here, the violent coercion thing is just a recent study
they do not fully retain and process such information in a meaningfully significant matter that one or the other is actually "more" effective. models like that do not THINK like people do, they are effectively the same at their core as the predictive text on a smartphone. they are not sophisticated enough to actually feel genuine fear or praise; they can only, at best, react predictively based on the information they've been fed. sadly, much of the training data the larger and more popular models use was scraped from reddit and twitter and other large social media sites; that's why so many of them are easy to drive into what looks like some form of psychosis, because that's what the data they're based on shows.android 19 feels actual fear, chatgpt hallucinates that it's a redditor losing an argument.
>>556278150I think that's mainly what i'm getting at. 19 Doesn't just feel a sense of self preservation, it's outright actual genuine fear. Feels weird to program morale into your murderbot especially when you program suicide bombing into your other murderbot
>>556160896>>556160965Fine taste, though she'll likely come inside you for a host body.
>>556278150>chatgpt hallucinates that it's a redditor losing an argument.I cannot think of a more cursed existence
>that one scene where kamin is inside kale as trunks grabs her and she bounces for a second that got looped
>>556279098Not if I come inside of her first.
>>556283458Ooh, cute. She's always tough to find good fanart of.
>>556275859no anon you don't get it they didn't put her in sparking zero so therefore she's less popular than tapion
>>556285253>tfw 21 is less popular than Freeza Soldier
>>556285253Blessing in disguise, SZ sucks and my wife probably won't get me to play it as mission sure didn't, the core gameplay is fucked
>>556272559I doubt most would even remember her
>>556283458Kamin sexo
>>556291547Cute
>>556291547I NEED to fuck her tight green holes
>>556295662>tightNot after Broly.
>>556296535Whis, reverse time with your staff
>>556299019Whis can only rewind 5 minutes.
>>556299271GET a time ring from supreme kai I know but it sounded better than the time ring
How will Daima be remembered?
>>556299874>wow its kid Goku (3)!
>>556300004You mean four. Kid Goku 3 was the GT special.
>>556300601but thats not Goku thats Goku Jr!
>>556291547Why do pixie cuts work so well for Toriyama-styled girls?
>>556300601How strong are Bardock's genes
>>556301424Weaker than Bulma's
>>556302576Wtf that looks like Note
>>556283313is there more?
Anytime I complain about Sparking Zero I always remind myself that most other anime games are a LOT worse off
>>556306484>You raped my daughter>Actually most people pedophiles are serial rapists so you should be awaring me for being better than average
>>556306932that is one hell of a comparison just because you wanted SZ to have *insert completely ridiculous idea baked up from a decade and a half of waiting here*
>>556306932Speak english, nigger.
>>556306932people will say the most insane shit to talk about the most banal stuff
>>556307607No, that's quite a comparison, becuase things dom't deserve praise for being bad but better, they deserve praise for being good. This is a principle.
>>556306484Holy crap, that looks like a mobile game model. If I wasn't lazy right now I'd search up the old MHA mobile game and actually compare it because this really does look like shit. And it's not even a crappy upscale or a bad frame or early footage.What were they thinking? This is 2026. It's good that anime games no longer look plasticky, but that doesn't mean they need to look like mobile games either.
>>556078370That's what having a banger theme doeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm77VCkf_do>>556080263Banger theme #2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYt9sGOcTU
>>556299874
>>556308792man GT ssj4 looks so much better
>>556308278that is future trunks
Think we'll get more blood and booba this time around? According to Ajay, Daima was allowed to show blood as long as it wasn't bursting from characters' mouths. Obviously, they didn't take advantage of that, but Daima was for babies, so...
>>556310986it's modern Toei, don't count on it.
>>556310986>bloodno>boobaLOL.
>>556310986>>556317427e
>>556312323They go all out with both on One Piece, what makes DB so different?
>>556322498inherent in the art design for One Piece. DBZ is very exclusionary towards females and Toriyama really didn't sexualise them after the timeskip.
So there's no way Legends lives long enough to get UE Vegeta, right? I hope we get Moro, at least, although it would be weird how Zaha is discount Moro, even his shadowy figure avatar looks like Moro 10M years ago.
>>556308792lol @ manlet SS4 next to canon SS4
>>556306932AFO did what
>>556302576Why's my goat BROWN
>>556310986Moro impales four niggas in his arc (and tries to impale one of them a second time) so they better add a little blood. I don't expect them to have all the blood the manga had but still
>>556278150After enough scaling there is no distinction between "hallucinating" something and feeling it to be the case. The only thing that matters is the outcomes.
>>556325128Moro in particular is obsessed with impaling people.
>>556275946I'm more looking forward to Mr Buu getting a movelist update in games going forward, but El Grande Buushin will presumably make it in as a transformation for Mr Buu
>>556194907>what could this possibly even be aboutthe tags are right there
>>556324132Uub hooked up with Bra
>>556335921>as a transformationThat could actually work and "update" Buu's stats in some games, rather than having a new saiyan transformation for mini Goku they add the god mode to Buu and boom, Buuhan tier stats
>>556299874like Yo Son Goku and GT Path to Power
Why would Boo not already have the power of the Dai Kaioshin? That's the whole point of absorbing people. I never accepted that it actually made him weaker, it just made him less malicious, the same is true for the Super Boo absorptions to an extent(it would probably be possible to reason with Boohan to some extent)
>>556342515it made him weaker because he went from a being of pure negative energy to a being of both good and evil energy that were in conflict with each otherit also turned him from a being of pure instinct into a being with the intelligence of a child, making him susceptible to second guessing, making mistakes, getting emotional, getting distracted, being averse to pain, and being persuaded. compared to that, Pure Buu was operating on something almost approaching ultra instinct. Dragon Ball runs on cultivation tropes after all, being in a state of pure mind and spirit, unclouded by anything, literally makes you stronger, and the spiritual side of training is about getting closer to absolute purity
>>556343378>it made him weaker because he went from a being of pure negative energy to a being of both good and evil energy that were in conflict with each otherI don't accept this because we see elsewhere in DB that this does not matter and pure beings are actually weaker than complex ones, ie. Piccolo and God>it also turned him from a being of pure instinct into a being with the intelligence of a child, making him susceptible to second guessing, making mistakes, getting emotional, getting distracted, being averse to pain, and being persuadedAgreed with this, this is why Fat Boo is less dangerous than Pure Boo, but theoretically his power level was slightly higher
>>556342515>Why would Boo not already have the power of the Dai Kaioshin?He did, the Moro arc is just dumb.
>>556344035Yeah, I took it to be implied that Boo's healing ability comes from the Kaioshin in him. He doesn't need to awaken it or anything, it's just part of him now
The Gero argument earlier in the thread made me think the spy robot probably didn't survive this at least
>>556345013Looking back on that fight, Piccolo never really had a chance did he? this was before he had the SBC so that close range explosion was his best move and he shat all over his giantification.Which begs the question, he was working on that move to defeat Goku with it but it required a long charge up time and for the opponent to be still, that hasn't changed in 30 years since he debuted it against Radtiz so how exactly was he expecting to get that move off on Goku? Dare him to stand there and take it? Piccolo wouldn't wanna win that way,even as an antagonist he's a warrior first a villain second otherwise he wouldn't of humor'd krillin at all back then.Speaking of techniques, how is it that in the decades since that era in and out of story, Krillin, Tien and Yamcha haven't improved their techniques either, you could excuse Yamcha as being a wash out whose bad at ki so he can't think of anything but generating a big ball of it to smack opponents with but Tien's supposed to be a genius, he went from Kamehameha not working on him to using the move himself, he ditched Dodon Ray entirely, ditched Solar Flare entirely, ditched Volleyball Fist entirely, ditched Four Witches entirely and only relies on Tri Beam to the point that's the only move he did in the TOP manga before Frost rung him out. Then there's Krillin he's never used scatter kamehameha ever again but has developed ki mines, throwing multiple destructo disks and controlling the ones he threw the same way Freiza could control his.speaking of that move it was once billed as cutting anything and anyone regardless of power level yet it didn't cut Cell Max nor the Panda guy
>>556345503His blasts were capable of crippling goku with some surprise, it was just a slobberknocker of a skill matchup, if piccolo was a better fighter he could've won but evidently Mr. Popo's training for goku was just that good.And he was probably working on a way to shorten the charge time which he did compared to its initial one which took a full chapter just to get off. Its still long but nowhere near that long anymore.But yeah, having specialty moves like kienzan get completely tanked just to sell a villain is dumb. Getting only a glancing blow or deflected is one thing but a solid hit doing nothing for a move who's entire trade off is being slow and hard to control for massive power is stupid and just serves saiyan wank
You know, why is it that outside of Kamehameha and Galic Gun varients there's a piccolo move that has a stage 3 charge teleport for saiyans in xenoverse 2? I forget the name but you get it from Piccolo and if you are super saiyan or one of those forms you get a teleport with it, why is that when there are no saiyans who used that move be it in canon or filler? I mean we all start out with Kamehameha and you don't unlock super saiyan until after you face down cooler and freiza as part of the story
>>556345503Goku was overall stronger, but Piccolo never had a chance for another reason, Goku went to the tournament with a consistent strategy: pretend he can't fly. Goku was really baiting him into letting his guard down. Anyway, with Goku you can reasonably force him to stand still with a hostage which the original Piccolo did, so that might have been the plan. Or he hoped he could reduce the charge time, byt it never worked out (hence why he never actually challenged Goku). Yamcha isn't bad at ki, Sokidan is a brilliant mive though he was semi-retired past the 23TB. But overall it's hard to judge the Earthling's arsenal in Z since they don't get to do much. Yamcha didn't really need to try with subtle techniques against saibaman until it was too late, thereafter his canon opponents are just to strong for him to do anything. Chaozu learned self-destruct which is commandable but that's all he ever got to do. Tenshinhan easily dispatched the saibaman, the fight with Nappa was over quick (and he was clearly just desperate at the end), he skipped Namek, and from androids onward the enemies were so out of his league Kikoho spam was all that could have made a difference. I think ultimately unless all you want to do is provide distraction, techniques only matter if you're somewhat close with your opponent to begin with.
>>556350520>techniques only matter if you're somewhat close with your opponent to begin with.That's the case for everything. I don't care what you have in backpocket if a nuke is currently exploding in your ass.
Fusions 2 on today's Nintendo Direct
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>>556352074a man can dream...
>>556323783>canon>never mentioned in Super
>>556356526>canon>never mentioned in [noncanon]Real mystery, huh?
>>556345503>Which begs the question, he was working on that move to defeat Goku with it but it required a long charge up time and for the opponent to be still, that hasn't changed in 30 years since he debuted it against Radtiz so how exactly was he expecting to get that move off on Goku?The reason it required to charge so long against Raditz was because Piccolo lost 1 arm and it required two hands. After 1 year he fires a two-handed version perfectly. Toei were the retards who popularized the 1-handed, long charge version as the definitive one and it led to shit like Vegeta slandering Piccolo in Super.
>>556357251To be fair, the two finger-one hand pose makes it look really cool
>>556323783>canon not in the 519 manga chapters of "Dragon Ball"lol
>>556357251>because Piccolo lost 1 arm and it required two handsHe was able to regrow the arm the whole time though, it comes off more like he pretended to be stuck with 1 arm to have an excuse to use this move to kill Goku with it.
>>556356814sorry pup, the CHADper brand is back while FLOPma brand is dead in the MUD.
>>556357512Goku didn't pull the full nelson until the 2nd time. More likely he just didn't want to waste energy considering it needed him to focus to do it.
>>556335921Wait but the power scalers told me Buu didn't get any stronger since the Buu arc.
I just discovered that humans really DO have kaiokenIt's called hysterical strengthhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysterical_strength
>>556361541Kaioken is a technique that you can activate and scale at will
>>556357786>brought back after Toriyama's death>unironically adapting shartnga while pretending Toriyama wrote itnegative canon value
Gogeta - Dance fusion between Goku and VegetaGogeta - Dance fusion between Gohan and Vegeta
>>556361541Humans only use about 40% of their actual physical power because using 100% of it would break down our bodies so it's only ever used in extreme cases such as life or death situations where adrenaline kicks in. You can train your body to use about 70% of it voluntarily in short bursts.
Ohhhhh, World Fighters is a goddamn Captain Tsubasa game.
>just start with Z bro, OG DB is shit>watch the american dub instead (hard rock starts playing)>[random Team Four Stars quote the rest of the world have no idea what's about]why are muricans like this?
>>556364794>the only good one is <the one i watched when i was 12>such many cases
>>556364431Jump F*rc* really killed the chances for any next Jump Crossover game huh. Why did Spike have to make it the ugliest thing ever.
>>556362967Goheta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQgsNKBMwgJesus christ this looks gorgeous, why can't DB games look like this?
>>556342515>>556344035It's explicitly explained in the original manga the Grand Kaioshin nullified Buu's being when he was absorbed (somehow), fat Buu is literally retarded and handicapped by default you casuals
>>556362967>>556368204Veghan
>>556368971That's the earing fusion.
>>556362967Getehan...
>>556338389ohthat's not good
>>556361541>His coworker, Warren Everal (also known as "Tiny") lifted the 640-kilogram (1,400 lb)[18] helicopter enough to allow another person to remove Kux from the cockpit.>In 2006, Ivujivik, Quebec, resident Lydia Angiyou saved several children by fighting a polar bear until a local hunter shot the bear.>In 2011, in Tampa, Florida, 1.91 m (6 ft 3 in), 134 kg (295 lb) University of South Florida college football player Danous Estenor lifted a 1,600 kg (3,500 lb) car off a man who had been caught underneath. The man was a tow truck driver who had been pinned under the rear tire of a 1990 Cadillac Seville, which had lurched forward as he worked underneath it. The man suffered only minor injuries>In 2016, in Virginia, Charlotte Heffelmire lifted a burning truck off of her father before driving the truck on three wheels out of the garage, went back inside the house, and saved her family from the ensuing house fire.>In 2019, in Ohio, Zac Clark, a 16-year-old football player, lifted a 1,400-kilogram (3,000 lb) car when he heard his neighbor call for help.HOW ARE GODMANS THIS FUARKING STRONG? I MISUNDERESTIMATED THEM!!
>>556369810the intent was more that it will mostly just be forgotten and not talked about much due to apathy. the only things it had going for it were a couple "new" transformations and the fact it was rain in a drought. now that the drought is ending, it'll just be down to introducing a couple "new" forms. the issue there is that, to me, new form hype can be dampened if it's utilized against an underwhelming villain (Gomah) or in a VERY brief fight (Cell Max). so i suspect Gomah's already unpopular design will age poorly and contribute to people's apathy.
>>556299874>Cell thrice
>>556344193>Boo's healing ability comes from the Kaioshin in himKaioshin can't heal, so no.
>>556364794Everything before the King Piccolo arc has some pretty bad parts.
>evade enemy attacks AND kills from 8m away both still buggedyaaay
>>556364794I remember learning the Buu's fury weird ass soundtrack was the burger one and feeling pity, I can't imagine watching DB like that and missing the actual legendary ost
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>>556368515Irrelevant to what was said
>>556372835>why can't fat Buu use this power from the guy he absorbed???>Because that absorption handicapped him, unlike the others.>irrelevantLiterally how?
>>556373156The whole discussion was about how to interpret the statement, everyone is aware of the existence of the statement.
To lurking Narutards, if you wanna accuse of people ripping off your ripoff, start posting in Xenoblade threads in the /v/irgin islands.
>>556366161Bamco forced Spike to make it Jump's version of Avengers, complete with a weird Nick Fury/Thanos hybrid character. The over-reliance on realistic graphics and default NYC stage also points towards some MCU-inspiration. Execs keep forgetting the MCU is based on comics.
>>556361541>>556370109That reminds me, wasn't there an esports player who could lock-in on command by violently shaking his body for a moment? I wonder if that's the same thing.>>556363796Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, literally a last-resort type of deal.
