Jeanette edition>What is /crpgg/?This general is dedicated to the discussion of computer role playing games such as:Arcanum, Baldur's Gate, Disco Elysium, Divinity: Original Sin, Dragon Age, Expeditions, Fallout, Icewind Dale, Jade Empire, Might and Magic, Necromancer's Tale, Neverwinter Nights, Pathfinder, Pillars of Eternity, Planescape: Torment, Shadowrun, Solasta, The Age of Decadence, Temple of Elemental Evil, Tyranny, Ultima, Underrail, Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines, Warhammer 40k: Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Wasteland, Wizardry, and many others.>Recommendations:https://files.catbox.moe/gx6f4u.pngPrevious >>556077074>Thread QuestionOn a scale of 1-5, how important is it for you that a crpg is fully voiced?
>>556180050TQ: 1
Fuck yeah VtMB OP. My favorite game, I love it.>TQ if 1 is least and 5 is most. Then 1.
>OP removed "Origins" from Dragon Age, and now it's just Dragon Age. Alongside removing Colony Ship in its entirety. Why? Only Origins is a CRPG in the DA franchise.
>>556181032I mean the new Fallouts can barely be considered crpgs but you don't make the distinction do you
>>556180050>>Thread Question1. Literally don't give a single flying fuck about voiceover
>>556180050I've seen the twist about the sisters coming from a mile away never one in the same room, never seen together, 'sisters of Janus', only one bed Obvious
>>556180050Jeanette is literally the perfect woman.
>>556180050>On a scale of 1-5, how important is it for you that a crpg is fully voiced?0I like voice acting here and there but fully voiced?You already have to read item descriptions, books, etc anyway so does it really matter if every single piece of dialogue is voice acted?If we lived in a perfect world where voice acting costs would not reduce the size and complexity of scripts, I would perhaps feel like it's more necessary, but that's not how things work irl.If you want voice-acting, even in a big budget game like BG3, there will be smaller scripts, shorter dialogue, and whatnot. Which is a negative thing imo.And if I have to choose between bad voice acting and none at all I'd take zero voice acting any day.If you want to sell a lot of games I think having voice acting is essential, but if you care about making good games it's not needed and is frequently a hinderance.
>>556181032the biotard made it, he really hates Colony Ship for some reason
my question is as i'm making my own crpg: do you like pistols/guns in fantasy settings?
>>5561800500 but good VA can easily make up for anything else that's lacking in the game.
arcanumcolony shipage of decadencenecromancer's talewhich one next, anons
Serana, my beloved...
>>556182201No, cringe
>>556182274Anon fucking told you in the last thread.
>>556182208Retard.>game has absolutely abysmal gameplay>but some guy said thing so it's a 10/10 now
>>556180050>TQ2I do like voice acting but I know how to read. Characters just need a few voice lines honestly
>>556183615Yeah, unironically. You are literally describing Disco Elysium.
>>556183802Retard. Disco could have had no voice acting at all and it would still be a 10/10
Why does this character trigger chuds so much?
potions shouldn't heal for a random d6 amount
>>556184105'ate furries
>>556183950COULD you fucking negro. Surely you're not gonna claim that it's made worse because it's voiced now?
>>556181575>anons idea of a perfect woman is the probably biggest bpd whore ever who is literally the inspiration for every modern bpd whore archetype
>>556184481You can't just call every crazy woman bpd
>>556182201never liked it and never understood why people want guns in Fantasy, it undermines magic and bows
>>556184105>qt asian wizard waifu that you obviously can plow after breaking her from her shell of self-imposed autism>sike, it was a fucking furry all the time, and her content is a act 5 puzzlehell that doesn't even allow her and KC to hit it up afterwardsWhen fucking Veilguard does better than you, you know you fucked up
>>556181352Holy projection and retardation on your part.Fucking idiot.
>>556182201Hate kitchen sink settings.Flintlocks are okay if you go for pirate/colonial aesthetic.
>>556184668
>>556184660It's for something normalfags could use against magic. I don't really see why it'd be an issue if the setting is within that age.
>>556183471>>556184660>>556184745wanted for a noble type of character to have a pistol as she is from a rich family, maybe a hand crossbow in one hand and a rapier in another would be fun
>>556182201you either make it like arcanum or have it be flintlock at best
I liked VeilguardI liked Avowed
>>556182201>fantasyBy that, do you just mean magic? Guns are fine in a modern-day or future fantasy. But if it's classic medieval fantasy, then no.
>>556180050>TQ1 if its a traditional isometric crpg, like most are and should be.3 if its more like KotOR or Dragon Age where its somewhere in between a traditional rpg and a AAA one, 5 if its more like Mass Effect or Witcher 3 where its more a cinematic experience than an rpg (though arguably those may be classified as action or adventure rpgs).
>>556184582She literally has a split personality/bpd.
they used guns in the late medieval and early renaissance eras, get over it!
>pillars 3 got basically confirmed in new Obsidian interview >no one caresIts over.....
>>556185601they also beat women for talking back and whipped homosexuals
>>556185754No it didn't.
>>556185754Link to interview?
>>556185819https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-03/xbox-studio-behind-grounded-outer-worlds-is-charting-new-path
>>556185804ok and? you can beat women and kill homosexuals in crpgs.
>>556185878this just says Avowed / PoE universeThis does not confirm PoE III.
>>556183169>t.
>>556185804Generous.
Just to be certain, does Hulrun come join you in Drezen in the Aeon path if you allied with him in chapter 1 or is his presence and later role in Iz taken over by Staunton?
>>556185804Actually my ancestors tied homosexuals up and drowned them in bogs.
>>556184750I know that feel.It's shame Bellara can't exist in a game that's actually good
>>556186835I don't see why Staunton would overtake his role or even still be alive if you're lawfagging.
>>556187131Aeon path, anon.
Grubby peasants and their grubby diversions. Why did I bother coming?
Can you rest as many times as you'd like in the shield maze?
>>556187008>82 on metacritic
>>556187503As long as you have rations, why not
We did it. We Rogue Tradered.
>>556187503You can.
Maybe the real profit was the heretics we burned along the way.
>>556184105I showed her my penis and she didn't respond...
ATOM 2 officially announcedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn5ijSbDFgs
>>556188375You have now become The Trader of Rogues.
>>556185979Who?
>>556189209>Working on Swordhaven>Working on Atom 2>Another project on atom world with different gameplayI guess they are not big budget games, but still a lot of production
>>556184105Because her companion quest made me want to kill myself despite following a guide.
>>556188375This is impossible with cheating
>>556189590Just farm warp encounters
>>556189469Russians speedrun game dev.
>>556189590With the DLC, you can do it without even caring about colony decisions and farming grenades/medkits
>>556184745Guns existed while there were still knights
>N*n*o and B*ll*r* Fuck off froggy
>>556190262>Heavy armour got phased out because it was useless against any retard with a shooty stickTechnology went wrong there.
>>556189469More like abandoning swordhaven after rushing it out unfinished.
>>556188061>Irrelevant metricThe game didn't allow me to Minrathous study Bellara, it was a bad game.
>>556184105She would have been a cute retarded romance optionbut no, owlcat are a bunch of cucks
>>556190847>Dangles the opportunity to have sex (for science)>Doesn't let youSwen would've. Swen would've let you fuck for science. Also, couldn't you "align" with Fulsome Queen if you wanted to?
>>556191008Swen is based
I want to lick Nenio’s shit crusted butthole and suck on her posterior fur.
I want to rape idira.
>>556190847>>556191008>>556191232>>556191486ummm....
How much longer until kotc 3?
I've been thinking about starting wotr for 3 days now but I am so fucking filtered by the level up screen I faced my last attempt that I dont know if I can bring myself to do so
I swear to God if anyone release 1 more game with dex tank faggotry
>>556194161You will always be a strengthlet
>>556194161is that a bald pussy? I always liked the look of Sphynx cats
>>556188061Holy shit casuals have supremely shit taste, it doesn't deserve more than a low 70s
>>556194161As long as there's a 3.5 game, there will be. And as long as games can't be fucking bothered to design enemy AI where it'd stop attacking things it can't hit, there will be.
The age of PoE is coming soon
>>556180050I do not care about full voiceover on a game with graphic detail up to isometric that almost every crpg. I do care about it for a closer up camera
>>556194638That's the critic score btw. The user score for veilguard is a 4.Inquisition is at 85 and a 6.2 for comparison
>>556194935Maybe I'm underselling it but Outer Worlds 1 sorta felt like something that came/went, maybe a ledge above being almost cult-y. Was there really a big demand for a second game? Idk maybe they should hired master Avellone to unshitty it?
>>556195070>Inquisition is at 85 and a 6.2 for comparison>6.2What the fuck
>>55619463875 means barely playable in metacritic scale you can basically view it as 0/25Anything under 75 is unplayable garbage nobody should ever touch
>>556195070Don't really trust that since people leave shitpost reviews.
I was in the army once, full of dope-puffing socialists. You probably heard of me, Calvin Barkmore, broke every record they keep track of.
>>556195265Kenshi is a 75 on metacritic but is one of the best games ever made thoughever.
>>556194935Source? Do you have a source? Actually Avowed was bigly popular and broke many records!
>>556190262You allow guns and then 5 minutes later you're playing a cyberpunk game.
>>556195150It dropped around the same time as Fallout 76 and the whole "from the creators of Fallout: New Vegas" thing actually worked. Fallout 76 sucked, people got nostalgic and Outer Worlds benefited. The second game didn’t have the same luck.
Avowwed did not interest me because I think godlike are cheesey and I have no interest in playing as them.
>>556190385>be limited to muskets>reloading requires 2 full rounds>must roll a d12 first to determine the penalty to your attack roll.There, balanced firearms.
>>556195805Well that is wrong on multiple tiers holy filtered
Why did Avowed do badly when everyone on Obsidian, Gaming journalists and Reddit all tell me it did absolutely amazing?More seriously is most other online forums censoring or downplaying criticism to such a level hurting game devs? They can't really get feedback because all negative feedback is removed.
>>556197147Microsoft astroturfing.It was a fine game but at the wrong pricepoint and the epstein class was intent on pushing the $80 game narrative so making avowwed a $60 game was a deal.
>>556190385>modern warfare goes back to WW1 style trenches because a dude in a bunker can nuke a whole unit miles awaywish games used mages for more than just race allegory that they get pushed into
>>556197147My man sneddit in particular literally has people who work for the company direct under their community manager profiles, or a bunch of sock puppets doing damage control night and day, and leading bot waves to mindlessly upvote and one word response. Ringading it's all fucking rigged. Bungie with Destiny takes the cake when they had top head mods who did damage control got rewarded with actual jobs to do basically the same shit. That game can shitbin stuff people paid for and you'll get some wave of people saying how it's actually very good for the health of the game. Pretty much why you can easily trust a gen on here than basically anywhere else, people are more likely to get investigated, dogpiled and chased off if they fail the smell test
>>556196509Pathfinder has actual space aliens. It’s a bit of a leap
>>556197416>>556198538That's the thing though. It's obvious they're doing that but why? This actually hurts the games future. With how they do things the only feedback they get is>No romance>Not gay enough>Too hard
>>556184105I did her quest, ONCENever again.
>>556190385guns predate plate armor for at least 100 years, plate armor was made specifically for guns>>556197043guns are suck in pathfinder because it takes a full action that can only be reduced to move action at most, only pierce in the first range increment which is usually 30ft, and becomes quickly outclasses by any rube with a bow at high levels, because you get enough bonuses that hitting on touch armor is irrelevant compared to being able to shoot 5 arrows in a turn without risk of the gun exploding
>>556198874Much worse than our unfiltered quality criticism which is>no romance >too gay>not hard enough
>>556184105irratating gimmick where she has next to no short term or long term memory -which should set her wis to like 2 by the way- and her questline involves solving a bunch of shitty tile puzzles
Is there any game where maxing/pumping con is actually viable?
I did it bros, I became the Wrath of the Righteous™
>>556199836kangmaker with kineticist?
>>556199836Scarred witch doctor mod maybe
>>556199857>angelI bet you like vanilla ice cream
>>556199836RT has some good toughness scaling stuff
>>556180050Three question: 1
>>5561965092 gun chemist alchemist8 psychic 10 esoteric knightLvl 9 psychic spells/15 bab gunner. Int for casting. Int to dmg for gun from gun chemistWould be really cool to get this in wotr
>>556185595Those are different things
>>556198874If I had to guess, and I know it's a word with all the meaning beaten out of it, a toxic positivity hugbox can still have sway on people just slightly on the outs of being totally looped into how a game really is. I used to do a shit pile of research focus group stuff because my autism just makes me dump essays of thorough feedback, and it was of course more than necessary. Average Joe who sees a few trailers and gameplay, sees some big flashy action, that just might be enough to get him to fork over the $40-70. And this of course doesn't expand how Average Joe bought in retail, he bought the battle pass, he spent $40 on 3 different skins, he theoretically could be beating out somebody who just bought the game, realized it's a fucking scam and took to tearing shit down. That's why I hate so many of these companies operating like casinos. If you're some jackass company that half baked a game, even if you're on major borrowed time, you're gonna try to hustle as hard as you can while the window is ripe and people really rip your ass apart, even if it all seems counterintuitive. These are actual demonic vampires running this shit. It's work of Mammon and Moloch. It's why they love content creators they can float a few bucks to play ball and say how amazing everything is.
>>556200004it's one of the better paths, certainly better than Aeon or Azata
>>556199836In BG3 a con stacking bear barbarian is good at eating agro and hits if their AC is lowest in party with high con/damage reduction. Bonus if you use periapt of wound closure and heal a bit.Though, you could just build more damage characters and alpha strike things to death, so depends on what you define as viable.
>>556201089aeon is ocd kino
>>556180050owlcat employees crying seeing this thread realizing literally nobody outside a few vocal redditors gives a single fuck about all the voice acting they wasted money on just for people to skip
>>556202467normalcattle do tho!
>>556202467Voice acting isn’t important for me but it’s still nice to have
>Cassia POV when she tells the RT she loves him
>>556202467>a handful of bozos on 4chan are representative of the target audiencelollmao even
>>556202467It just needs enough that you can read the rest of the dialogue in the character's voice. It doesn't all need to be spoken, perhaps just the opener and then important moments and cutscenes.
>>556203554Yeah this is perfect. The character only speaks enough to establish a voice. Like we all know what Minsc or Aerie sound like
I want a fart button for companions. That’d be really fun, and sometimes they give debuffs.
>>556198874I have a theory that all the big corporations taking on projects just to cancel or have them fail are just engaging in money laundering. I know of realators that are doing similar things by acquiring large commercial properties and ensuring nobody actually uses them to launder or be able to write off the loss on their taxes.It's just a theory though.
>>556204829Thats exactly what’s happening. As explained by Tim Cain https://youtu.be/GGIHmX4uDfE?si=QVdou60ST3KVJqKP
>>556204829
Would you trust Seelah or Lann with your wallet?
>romancing alistair as surana>romancing merrill as warrior hawke>romancing cullen as lavellan (mage)why does HMEF feel so natural?
>>556205920lann outright says thieves are brutally killed among mongrelsseelah would steal it if she thinks someone else needs it more than you do
>>556206038Elves in Thedas are canonically against racemixing because half-elves don't exist in the setting. IIRC if Soris becomes Bann of the alienage he gets kicked out for marrying a human woman and Merrill calls an elf-blooded human a half breed as an insult even while dating Hawke.
>Only competent person in the fade award>Throws a tantrum whenever you help anyone award, even if it's just for personal gain(xp)I can't tell if I should like them or not
>>556205920they're both retarded and speak like marvel characters so neither.
>>556206273tbf surana is infertile and has no parents to scold them about it
>>556206273bro your alistair
What other romances give you tangible gifts? I know Jae gives you that space cat or whatever. Anyone else?
How come there's multiple anons playing dragon age? Everyone get tired of owlcat and larian all at once?
>>556204829I know somebody else brought up Bungie for a different dysfunction, but they did that and probably sold some absurd crock of shit to Sony. They alleged had all these games planned, probably had the rona times cash injections because all these fuckers were saying how even grandma is going to be a gamer spending average x amount per year, just waving on stupid decisions. Now they’re trying to go all in with their mockery of a cult fps franchise. We live in very stupid times
>>556206634Valerie gives you a shirt. Never wore it though because Kingmaker doesn't have a separate slot for shirts like Wrath does. It takes up your main armor slot.
Owlcat is about to save us.
>>556206832It's February and people are gravitating to the dollies that give you childrenAlso we're announcing the interests next week
>>556206567The only elf that knows Alistair is elven is his mom
>>556206634Cam gives you a bone amulet of your own
>>556206953worst shit ive ever read. Goodbye Owlcat.
>>556206832It's good to switch around sometimes. I like Owlcat but it's very easy to get burnt out from their games if out play them too much. And whenever I play BG3 I lost interest in a playthrough by the time I react Act 3.
>>556206953>We're going bigger, more mainstream, more normalfag friendly
>>556206993>are gravitating to the dollies that give you childrenNot like there's many. You have Morrigan, Kibbles and two or three of the dollies in the Expedition games but that's it.
>>556206953this just says that mass effect and the expanse are not CRPGs.
>>556207330neither is Dragon Age but subhumans will continue to spam it
>>556207435Origins is absolutely a CRPG and is still used as a baseline by companies like Larian and Owlcat. I have no clue why it makes you seethe so fucking much to the point where you spend every thread crying about it.
>>556207435Correct.
Me when Anders blew up the chantry (i hate Andrastianism)
What's wrong with just making honest janky slav crpgs? Why did they need to aim for their own ME without the sexy aliens?
>>556207674>filenameI was going to use this for a Fionna joke but oh well it's an Anders joke now.
>>556207684we want bg3 salesbg3 had titsall that matters to the larger audience is polygon tits
>>556207684Because ARPGs sell more
>>556207684they want to be popular and bioware can't stop shitting the bed in the sci fi niche
>>556207684Goblin won’t return my calls, probably working busy on Planet Alcatraz sequel
>>556207557When we allow discussion of Origins it brings in >>556207674 >>556207773 who want to spam cringe about DA2 and VeilguardDragon Age fans are not CRPG fans, they don't belong here and should make their own general
A game so powerful it makes people seethe 17 years later
>>556208086>and should make their own generalSomeone made a general and not only did DAtards let it die but they verbally abused the person who tried. /dag/ is dead forever until the bioware general revives with the new ME.
>>556208086This
I feel like the ultra capitalist space adventure setting of the outer worlds is a cool concept so I'm disappointed Obsidian fucked it up so much.
wotr and rogue trader bundle is $35 >.> considering buying it after bg3how bad is the technobabble? i'm decently literate compared to about half of the US population but i don't like paragraphs that drag on while saying something that can be summed up in 2 sentences.
>>556208458So you’re not literate.
>>556208458@grok summarize this post with 1 sentence
>scared of words>buying an owlcat rpglollmao, potentially
>>556208526I can understand it, I just don't like time wasting essays.
>>556184105Too comedic, ruins the moment whenever she speaks
English teachers getting mad that zoomers don't want to read college paper expositions inbetween every battle
Argenta sloshed milkily across the command deck.
>>556208926Jae would write this.
>>556208458Wotr babbles on and on and on. Rogue trader wasn't playable to the end on release and am still seething about it. I'd rather wait for the finished product
>>556195150>Outer Worlds 1 sorta felt like something that came/wentI feel the same. Back when it was coming out all the creators I was following at the time kept hyping it up as the next Fallout: New Vegas, but then it released and none of them mentioned it ever againIt felt like I had just imagined all the talk about it. I heard nothing about the game for years apart from the occasional "Yeah it was kind of mediocre" whenever people talked about Obsidian
Which game will we melt down about people discussing next month?
>>556209514If the Biofags still infest this general, then those games
>>556206634Cassia gives you a charm if you don't take her to cumrag
>>556209746My favourite crpg is never playing crpgs and sperging out about people interrupting all my shitposting by talking about crpgs
>>556209514Solasta 2 is next month
>>556208458I haven't played WotR, but Rogue Trader is moderately wordy but I don't think it's too bad.
>>556209514greedfall 2
i can't imagine being a heterosexual male rogue trader and not asking argenta for cuddles and kisseslike what kind of homosexual doesn't instantly use their emperor-bestowed authority to ask argenta to accompany you to the baths and then just immediately hug her from behind as she strips and call her mommy imagining her perplexed reaction only gets me more excited. having her ask "trader?" in her sexo voice would compel me to just start burying my head into her chest and cry into her boobs. i would spin some lie maybe about it being a sacred, secret ritual or some kind of high-level training before moving on french kiss her and breathlessly whisper about how beautiful she is and how i'd like to have her in my retinue forever...
>>556209903When do you actually start having sex with Cassia?
>>556210979You can easily get a sex slave thats hotter than a 7/10 white chick as a rogue trader.
>>556210979argenta would freak out, strike you, and then run away if you tried to molest her in your bath. you would need to convince her of the holiness of these actions prior to touching her for any measure of success.
>>556162298Better than being named nanao>>556163891The only way speak like that can develop is because the people who develop it are trapped in a walled garden that monitors all their speech>>556179330Who?
>>556210979This is like something Jae would do
>>556210452Is greedfall 2 even close to being finished
>>5561800500 if the voice is English5 if it's Japanese.
>>556182201If your game has rapiers and full plate but no guns you are a realism hack.
>>556185129>>556184942>>556184745>>556184660>>556183471Every poster here is a subhuman who doesn't understand history and would shit their pants in rage if they where transported to actual medieval Europe. If the setting isn't identical to goyimland cartoons they shit their pants and cry.
>game has voiced pc>full dialogue or just barks>spend all this time making a cutie asian girl (rogue ofc)>all the female voices are husky british women>not a single cute asian girl voicewhat's the point of it all
>>556211980Nevermind the fact that everyone bought wotr despite it having cyborg zombies so I don't think anyone complaining will actually care enough to change their purchase.
>>556212093>not a single cute asian girl voicethank goodness
>>556212093It's even funnier when you use visual adjustments and can see all of the names of the diversity is our strength head types for every single race (including midgets) yet they all sound like some 35+ smoking Scottish broad.
>>556208458Don't buy Russian literature if you want brevity and non misery porn.
>>556212093>playing as a w*man>playing as a non-white w*man at that
>>556212093Literally no one would pick a voice that sounded like a vtuber.
>game has voiced pc>I have autismwhat a nightmare
>>556212625most of my pcs are brown women because im a mixed femcel. hawke is an exception because the amells are white.
>>556212667Everything is a nightmare if you're autistic.
>>556212945I see
>>556212093origins and bg3 making 20 year old protagonists sound twice their age female elves had the best voices however i always use wise sultry or cocky
Autism like most mental illnesses is not real, just act normal your not retarded.
>>556213341indeed
Does Lann's romance have any narrative bullshit I should be aware of?
I found the perfect portrait for anons to self-insert into
>>556213302I played male (dalish) elf just for Sasuke's VA.
>>556213731Not much different from fat bastard.
>>556208458Rogue trader is standard 40k babble. If you play other 40k games it won't feel that different.
I have a dumb question if you'll indulge meSo a while back I made this character in wotr, my first character, and I came back to it today after not playing the game for a long time So as I understand it my class does not have a feat either at level 1 or 2But I seem to have 1 feat, if not two, from being a humanThat feat(s?) is coordinated manoeuvres and shake it offMy question is just if this is a decent perk to have on an inquisitor because I have no clue what I was thinking when I picked it
>>556209985I'm not sure if it's worth playing on release because in Solasta 1 they added new classes later
how the fuck do you all manage to get to the actual gameplayi usually get stuck at character creation for a couple hours then quit
>>556216219the 12 base classes wont be dlc this time but its only the EA next month so there will only 5 classes you can play.
>>556208106Wineaunt Morrigan best Morrigan>>556213740huhI never knewNice
>>556216123>So as I understand it my class does not have a feat either at level 1 or 2Only a few classes will actually get feats as part of their class. These are bonus feats, most notably base Fighter will get a bonus combat feat every even Fighter level after 1 (bonus feats at 1, 2, 4, 6, etc.). Being a combat feat means that their bonus feat can only select feats tagged as combat, basically wacky bat feats, not shit like skill focus.Every character gets one feat every odd level (1, 3, 5, etc.) no matter what class is selected. These are character feats and you can select any feat so long as you meet its prerequisites.>But I seem to have 1 feat, if not two, from being a humanCorrect, humans get a free bonus feat at level 1. No matter the class, all humans can select 2 feats at character creation>That feat(s?) is coordinated manoeuvres and shake it off>My question is just if this is a decent perk to have on an inquisitor because I have no clue what I was thinking when I picked itIn short, no, these are not good feats to have at level 1, most notably because they are both teamwork feats. Teamwork feats are a class of feat that require other party members to have the same feat, and meet the feat conditions, to work.Coordinated Maneuvers is a trap pick, because combat maneuvers (trip, disarm, bull rush, etc.) require a combat maneuver to be learned first. Meaning your character needs the know Trip, for example, from a feat or class feature in order to make a combat maneuver check for it, to then benefit from anything that increases CMB (combat maneuver bonus). There's a whole nest of bullshit concerning combat maneuvers, so unless you can get a maneuver like Trip for free from a class feature (i.e. earth Kineticist) don't bother with combat maneuvers at all. Very high opportunity cost.
>>556217435Okay, thank you for your answer
>>556216419Just pick a class and run with itWrath of the Righteous can be hard to decide because of the mythic stuff, but most RPGs are simple enough
>had to reset the prologue spawn twice in RTI think I fucked my builds up already, maybe reading might be required
>>556218485That's one of the only somewhat difficult fights in the game and it's exclusively because it's the only fight where you do actually have to understand the game mechanics somewhat because there aren't builds yet
I dont want to waste anyones time Is this ok?
>>556219815John pathfinder buildIt'll work just fine on core or below
>>556219964I am really dumb and I heard slayer was simple so I just went with someone to try and learn the gameThank you, now I can rest easy
>>556219815lower strength at 19 and buff your con to 14 for HP and int to 12 for more skill pointsotherwise it's fine, recommend you pick medium armor focus and mythic armor medium endurance later
>>556218485That boss can wreck even "meta" builds because you have basically no build at that point. How you win is by playing it correctly.I personally charge abelard in and sprint argenta down the right hand stairs where she deals with the cultists. Idira just starts stacking exploits on the boss. Once all the cultists are dead we melt the boss.
I just found this list of CRPG essentials to play.Anything you think should be added or removed from it?I notice that there aren't any from before 1997, so that's a pretty big blind spot.
>>556220406Most people say that, but in reality, there's some benefit to be had by capping your strength at 16 rather than 20. If you can afford the lower stats and don't seriously need 2+ to be high, main stat 20 is fine allocation that will powerspike you generally a bit earlier throughout the game. 19 for maximum minmaxing tism.
>>556221838NwN2 is questionable without the DLCDoS1-2-3 is pure shit and not worth your timeDE is not a RPGWasteland 2 is questionable and the third one is pure kinoNumenera is VERY specific and i can't recommend it, you should be prepared for this shit
>>556221838>>556222697Also add Rogue Trader
>>556222697I'd add SR: Returns and PoE 2 to the list of removals
>>556222697>the rpg that is the most rpg is not an rpgLet me guess, you need dollies to kiss? Or are you going to sperg about commies or other nonsense?
>>556222908No, i need combat, builds and systems.That's why underrail, RT, WOTR are rpgs and DE is not
>>556221838I haven't played any crpgs before but these are all bad. You should skip all of them and only play some obscure dogshit I haven't played but think makes me look cooler.
>>556220406>recommend you pick medium armor focus and mythic armor medium endurance laterlater as soon as possible or later?
>>556223318probably as second mythic
>>556223450ok I took dazzling display level 2 seemed decent
>>556223548dazzling is only good on a high CHA character with persuasion
>>556219285>>556221798I reset it because I was playing an officer and realized that I could actually just not gimp myself by being down half a charactertried the fight with a blade dancer and just erased the spawn with the momentum ability paired with blade dance
>>556223647ah yes I notice now, my badguess that one is shit then
>>556223105Someone at work recommended that I play Marrow Wind. It's apparently another game in the Skyrim series. sounds pretty underground. I think I'll try it out.
Yrliet naruto-runned haughtily across the bridge
>>556223869Improved Initiative, Armor Focus, Combat Reflexes, Outflank (take on all melee characters), Improved Critical are some good feats worth picking up
>>556224091How does the bonus ac from the armor focus feat differ from the +1 dodge ac of the combat style two-handed dodge feat
>>556224779armor focus is a prerequisite for the mythic armor feats, dodge is a prerequisite for the crane feats which is more for unarmored pajama tanks
How is c'tan pronounced? Sitahn? Kaitan?
>>556225428satan
>>556225428K' tan, like Q'ran
Dual wielding two swords looks stupid
>>556225970because it is1 large sword > 1 moderate sword and a shield > 1 moderate sword alone > 2 swords
>>556223051DE has builds and systems. What you mean to say is you are a child and need big muscle dollies smashing against other muscle dollies.
>>556223681Officer is stronger thoughever.
this game is bugged i just recruited him and the moment i left copper cornet he is already complaining about taking too long to complete the vaygar bounty mission
>>556213731Sadly not 692x1024, and too small to be simply enlarged.Would banish the demons of worldwound as this stout cleric
>>556227280Korgan is not a patient dwarf
>>556227280I don't think there are any consequences for taking your time. It's just flavor.
>>556213731Would go hard if it was large enough to useI feel like this was inspired by Nero burning Rome
>avowed has ubiquitous respecs>don't really feel the strong need to respec until I felt like trying something different at the end of the game>TOW2 has absolutely no respecs save for one after the prologue when you've experienced pretty much nothing>immediately feel my build isn't doing what I want at the end of act 1I thought Observation would be a perception/detective sort of thing that comes into play for non-combat stuff often but it never seems to, and a lot of the time even if you GET evidence on someone you need to pass a speech check to have literally anything come of it anyway. Got annoyed when I opened a secret wall in the chapter boss' office and it was loot and nothing else.
>>556228186I know you probably harbour some deep seated disdain for it, but you can simply enlarge it with ai.
Are there any notable CRPGs from 2005-2020?I'm noticing a lot less in my play list after the certain point where Consoles started taking over as the platform everyone goes after.Also, let's leave out the discussion on which games are good. I just want to know the notable/popular names.
>>556231764*many, not any.Though, I really should have asked about just which ones rather than if they existed at all.you're a smart cookie, you can figure it out.
>>556231764>Elantach...please enter my soul
>>556231764NWN2, Dragon Age Origins, Divinity Original Sin 1/2, Pillars of Eternity and Kingmaker.
>>556231432>all mockery of the cultists and their evil gods will be kept to an appropriate minimum
owlcat being funny again
is it normal to hate the speech skill in crpgs>oh what's that? you want to interact with the story and do what you can to avoid combat without playing as a messianic politician?>fuck u, if you don't take speech you're going to get a bad ending and people are going to yell at you for not being able to hold back every other character from trying to murder you
>>556232874> >fuck u, if you don't take speech you're going to get a bad endingName 1(ONE) game where this statement is true
>Kill yourselfThis is the funniest game
>>556233056Fallout New Vegas
>>556233286You don't need any checks for good ending and bad ending is just a game over
>>556233056idk some fuckinq quest where the retard at the end tries to kill you no matter what unless you have 400 speech and his girlfriend or whatever screams at you for having the audacity to not level speech
>>556233160This is no way to treat your favorite doll
CRPG for this feel?https://youtu.be/4TsqlT0rfJI
>>556233883Romance Marazhai and let him dom you
>>556233659She gets better
>>556235858What's happening ?
I wanna smooch her.
Cammy Tummy
>>5562317641998-2014 is the Bioware period.2005-2018 is the Obsidian period.2014+ is the Swen period.2018+ is the Owlcat period.
>Obsidian post New Vegas>Notable CRPGs
It just makes me laugh that Avowed was so incredibly mediocre that people didn't even bother shitposting about it
>>556238290Some people like pillars and tyranny.
You can't shitpost about something so mediocre, boring and unpopular
>>556223869dazzling is a prerequisite for shatter defenses, one of the best martial feats if you can guarantee shaken on targets. Nobody picks dazzling for the sake of dazzling.
>>556238394those aren't peopleand if they are, they're mistaken
>>556238394And some people think that Morrowind has good combat, these people are retards that should be ignored
>>556238487and if they're refusing to admit their mistake then they're jewish
>>556238196> 2014+ is the Swen period.Nah, his games were always pure garbage.DoS1-2 are not even CRPGs, they are turn based diablo clones FFS
>>556238491Combat in Morrowind is ok for the times
I smooched her.
>>556238812Sure, but I saw some people unironically claim that it's better than Skyrim's (which is also shit)
If the cost of getting another morrowind was morrowind combat I'd gladly pay that.
>>556238878
What exactly happened with Avowed? I haven't paid much attention to it since I hated Deadfire but during it's release I've seen nothing but praise and comments from the devs that it sold very well and a ton of people are playing it. Did sales just dramatically drop down after release? How bad was the writing this time? I know Carrie was the director and I didn't really like her companions all that much.
>>556244186Slow Parkour with easy combat ,retarded writing and hamfisted choices did not sell that well and just had lots of people who tried it 5 minuets at gamepass
>>556244186> What exactly happened with Avowed?It flopped> I've seen nothing but praiseLeave your bubble sometimes> and comments from the devs Damage control> Did sales just dramatically drop down after release?They were not good to begin with> How bad was the writing this time? Unironically the worst part of the game because combat is kinda OK and exploring is decentBut writing, characters, plot and reactivity is abysmal dogshit
>>556244186If you want an honest answer the combat got repetitive fast, the level scaling for enemies was garbage, you have no reason to get invested in this world unless you played the previous Pillars games and even then the connection is superficial at best. The companions were trash except for maybe fish Garrus and the actual l "role playing" elements were non existent. That janky King Arthur game was a better Skyrim clone.
>>556238878What's Daeran doing in the combat log?
Being a giant gold lizard is actually fun. Especially as a Bloodrager.
>>556238053
>>556246210cumming
>>556238607I don't feel like a power fantasy when unfair always makes me have to reload unless I've dipped every class that stacks ac. To date I have talked 40 gameovers and 10 of them are all minotaur related
RT needs a Culexus assasin companion
>r/Avowed removes all mention of the game not performing well.What is the deal with those fags.
>>556249297>reddit
>>556249330Yeah sorry should have clarified. Thanks anon! Sherry
>>556248859You'll get one in DH so you can larp as Jaq Draco.
>"hey kibellah how are you do-">cuts herselfOh. Okay...
>>556249597my little torture slut can't be this cutty!
>>556249517Sherry kino is back on the menu
>>556249581Oh yeah can't wait until I have to fuck her into looking like an Eldar
>>556251419me on the right
>>556251864morrigan's boyfriend huh
Thread is very slow today.
>>556252875Comfy times, as they sayiirc we had a similar slow period last year around this time as well
>>556252875half the posters probably got banned from the last few threads
Divinity 3 looking wild
>>556253636I have no idea what I'm even looking at
>>556238878based
always look on the brightside
our noble heroine
>>556252875I'm busy today and I average around a 100 posts here or more a thread.
>>556251419>bridge falls, everyone dies
Swen better give us more elf licking sessions in Divinity
>>556224779How do you not get blind with the gamma value cranked up so high?
>>556255361why
>>556254917Why are gnomes like this?
I forgot how some people can freak out about xenos
Truth is I unironically like Camellia.
>>556256345>she licks you>sees all your memories of all the posts you made on here.wdyd
>>556257017Imagine swen's elves in shadowrun but they get your browser history.
>>556253636this looks like one of those pictures from Epstein files, Swen would never!
>>556256831truth is I unironically don't. she's a murderhobo
>>556257017She would just get turned on and we'd lots of passionate and intense sex.
347th for leliana!
>>556257431Just like with rape, it's okay when girls do it
>>556257596Who?
>>556257848*whom
She should narrate Divinity
I think Morrigan and Leliana was the only time I was genuinely torn up about my romance decision. Every other RPG I've played since then has been easy to choose.
>>556256831We all love Camellia
morrigan was a whore who constantly fucked chasind (black) men. leliana was a lesbian whore who also seduced and fucked orlesian (french) men. disgusting.
>>556258693true
>>556258693If you truly loved her, you'd let her have sex with other men...
>>556259028genuinely and unironically this
>*Kenabras battle theme starts playing* "You crossed the wrong mongrel!"
>I don't like your girlfriend, why can't you get a nice girl who loves the emperor and doesn't use you like a credit card, lord captain?
>>556252875everyone screaming at eachother from the previous thread got banned with all the constant screeching not a lot of anons are willing to post their gameplay like the previous used to do
>>556259730>He's not interested!
>>556259730>romancing jaegross ew
>>556259730It's funny how Heinrix is the one to chide him about your bedfellows. He could've just kept quiet.
>>556259816is that why no DA sperging
>>556227280still playing the game ?ignore the schzios, don't let them bully you
>>556260015He's just hoping no-one starts saying anything about him coming out of Cassia's bedchambers.
Are all cuckposters just mentally ill
>>556260924you really have to ask?
>>556260924the venn diagram of cuckoldry enjoyers and owlcat enjoyers is almost a circle
>>556260924>*absolute silence*>KEKOLDRY THOUGHWew lad
Some call us mentally ill, but when you look at the world rationally us cuckolds are perhaps the most sane of all...
>>556261563The hedonists were the most well adjusted all along
The true test of a man's character and morals is whether they love Camellia or not.
Being obsessed with a VA to the point where you spam her irl pictures every thread is actual mental illness.
>>556262054she's very sexy tho
Wrath of the Righteous but he is your sovereignHow much changes
>>556262162Karl would have solved the World Wound problem on his own before Knight Commander would have come into existence.
Suffer not the anti-cammer to live
>>556262390
>>556262054Yeah its creep behavior and NOT a crpg
Without sexy ass VAs CRPGs would be NOTHING
>>556262054It's normal for jpfags
>>556262140She's an average white girl and you can find dozens up dozens of them on any sizable college campus. You come off as an obsessive stalker.
>>556262162gee bill, prince AND emperor?
>Yeah its creep behavior and NOT a crpg
Karl married his cousin.
>sharing public pictures of a CRPG VA with my fellow CRPGers is stalker behaviourHave words lost all their meaning?
is the cam poster in love with her VA or something. What is this.
This is what Critical Role and Dispatch has done to crpgs
>>556262606I'm not the Sarahposter but she is objectively very cute and sexy, I'd eat her ass
>>556262845Based.
At least he's not a disgusting sisterfucker...
>>556262845tbf, fluff wise she actually loved him and wasn't chasing money like the rest of the candidates or a haughty bimbo like his childhood friend
>>556262845They didn't actually marry, but he knocked her up and they're together often enough that she's just kind of an unofficial wife.
>>556263617>They didn't marryBut why? They've already gone beyond that.
When is a CRPG dev going to be brave enough to include an incest romance? I'll even settle for cousins. Japan got away with it with >>556263056 which was a fairly popular game.
>>556262316Karl couldn't even save Altdorf lil bro
Which CRPG dolly would be most likely to eat the player's ass?
>>556263830Probably so Karl's available in the future for political alliances. He did legitimize their children though, so there's an heir already. Dunno, political reasons. Or maybe Karl is just afraid of marriage since he's canonically a bit of a player.
>>556264173the kroot
>>556263953Likely never or it'd just be exclusive to an evil path but can't have people thinking fucking your brother/sister/cousin is a good thing.
>>556263953Doubt we'll ever get anything better than the tiefling twincest from Kingmaker
>>556263830He's saving himself for Miao Ying
>>556264173Do you mean lick your anus or literally cut meat from your rump and fry it up with some some fava beans and a nice chianti? Either way probably Camellia
>>556264115Because Karl faced much, much bigger threats. Galfrey had to face one single horde of demons coming from one single direction while having the universal backing of every other nation on Golarion, even the devils.Meanwhile Karl had to face Chaos hordes coming from north, but also greenskins, undead, beastmen, dark elves, and his allies are constantly fighting between themselves or even turning on him, and he can't even count on his own elector counts much of the time. Put Karl in Mendev and he'd consider it a welcome break.
Every CRPG needs a trad romance with a virgin girl
Finally started playing the new Rogue trader dlc and this dual wield shotgun thing is pretty fun. Feels very satisfying. But are there any new shotguns in the game...haven't fund anything great on Footfall yet and the base game ones are kinda meh?
>>556263056>>556263953>is the protagonist's cousin>looks exactly like his mother>essentially was his older sister growing up>can marry herVery based desu. Owlcat could never.
>>556264173cam
>>556264924port it to PC fucking assholes
What is her appeal supposed to be?
>>556264910There's that double barreled one with extremely high damage but low penetration. Don't recall much that are good desu.
>>556265210humiliation fetishists
>>556265210she's the old dangling a carrot in front of a donkey trick
>>556265210tricking waifufags into thinking they can romance the space elf only to be trapped in a humiliation ritual where you can never even touch her.
>>556265210elf
>>556265210>>556264697must you waifupost every thread
>>556264697I haven't played Rogue Trader is Cassia really a virgin? I don't want to pick her and get cucked later on like with Valerie
why do modern devs hate human male x female elf? it's a staple of the genre.
>>556265846because we're not in the 1980s anymore, we've moved on from such boring things as "human male"
>>556265846you could just go and choke on some anime/manga slop they shove that shit everywhere
>>556266098yeah i think i will. or maybe just replay bg2 for aerie. enjoy your cuck humiliation ritual romance stories anon.
>>556265846halfling male gets all the bitches anon
>couldn't plap linzi>couldn't plap nurahWhere the FUCK is my female halfing romance?
>>556265680She's most likely a virgin, yes. She never mentions any past partners or anything like that, and considering her story, it is highly unlikely she'd have any experience before she meets you
The male inability to understand Yrliet or her romance
>>556266647>She never mentions any past partners or anything like thatThank goodness, I still have PTSD thinking about Valerie...
>>556266730What's wrong with Valerie?
>>556266782It's because he's a fag btw, clearly gay
>>556266874idk bro, *you* asked her
>>556266782I feel like Wendufags gloss over just how much of a slut she is. She actively wants to get bred by two of your other companions. And it's not just a one and done thing too, she has multiple banters and dialogues with Daeran and Woljif wanting their baby batter inside her. That's Isabella tier behavior yet nobody slutposts about her.
>>556266782Woljiff also rejects evil Arue. He doesn't want sluts
>>556267124I wish Isabela talked about how she wanted to get bred by people other than Hawke
>>556267217He's gay
>>556267217Everyone rejects Evil Arue. Even dummies like Camellia are smart enough not to want to get raped to death by a succubus.
>>556265846a bunch of millennial and zoomer writers in the industry felt the need to do the reverse of recurring themes/tropes in their games, also straight romance is seen as a bad thing because its chud coded
>>556267490luckily /crpgg/ supports straight heterosexual romances between a man and a woman
>I don't like you. Die!owlkino
You've posted all of these before.
>>556267848>Some servant comes around begging for help>Go to his master's house>Kill him because you don't like himEvilkino
sometimes I feel like my life is a fifth crusade against the abyss
>>556267480Evil Arue is a fun character, it's a shame she was an afterthought and Owlcat only cared about the simpering redeemed version
camellia FUB kino when?
>>556267860And I'll post them again. Time is a flat circle anon.
>>556267217But he likes Daeran.
>>556268278Daeran's antics are child's play to Evilrue though.
>>556267848Daeran is best boy
>>556268619one thing about Owlcat games is that they're like>Of course you can save this personbut the way to it is convoluted, involves doing X choice with Y person present and you need to Z at the very beginning because if you didn't pick W as your first choice you're fucked like with Abelard and whether or not he wants to go back to his family is decided in the very first hour or so I think it is the same about romancing Salad or whether or not Daeran gets an actual happy ending
>>556265846GW/Owlkek isn't all of modern devs
>>556269624It's all /crpgg/ knows however.
>>556265846because they are based
Jagged Alliance 4Wasteland 4Pillars 3Disco Elysium 2Hongkong 2Icewind Dale 3The Black Hound
>>556269712why don't you play Shadowrun? Because it doesn't have romance?Underrail? Because it has no elves?Fallout? see abovealso in WotR and Kingmaker you have Octavia and Camellia? Not enough for you?
>>556265846>dos2>bg3>spellforce 3>unicorn overlord>tes>even fucking veilguardjust stop paying attention to owlcat games and you can get your knife-ear dollies
>>556263953Pretty sure Marazhai banged his sister at some point
>>556269958yeah but those games are shit
>>556269946Are you schizoing out on the wrong person?
>>556269712grim
>>556265846you are never fucking a female elf in a owlcat game ahhahahahaa
you guys have meltdowns over the strangest things, usually it's over false scenarios that aren't even true
Reminder that Yrliet loves Elantach more deeply than any human could.
>>556266254>or maybe just replay bg2 for aerie. enjoy your cuck humiliation ritual romance stories anonironic considering Aerie cucks you with the Haer'Dalis
>>556271117BG2 fans have yet to play BG2.
Every single minute of every single day, hundreds of millions of women are servicing their bull and choosing to deny you.It's the ultimate cuckolding, and here's the real kicker: You know how men instantly become attractive with a ring on their finger? Well the opposite is true as well. The longer this goes on for you, the more it becomes normalized and the more repulsive you are to them. The cycle is perpetuated and you get locked ever further into a state of permanent cuckoldry. In the time that it took you to read this, thousands more have literally forced you into this state. You can almost hear their moans of pleasure.
>>556271117She cucks you only if you want her.
307 shit pasta, also not crpg
There's only one elf for me.
Why is Wendu flirting with party members bad but chuds are okay with slurping tiefling cum from Aerie's pussy?
femcel inquisitor being fucked by Larry soon
>>556271497Elf women dollies will never want to fuck you, accept it.
Why is there always an Argenta romance thread up on steam?I thought you guys told me waifufags are the minority in 40K crowd
they're not dolls they're action figures
Would Lann be more popular if he looked like this?
>>556272119you're talking about a fandom which believes wholeheartedly the humans are the good guys and the imperium is right
>>556272256surenow make him a woman
>>556272315Compared to most of the other factions yeah, it's Eldar>Votann>Imperium=Tau>everyone else being murderschizos
>normal studio>My name is Yrliet. Well met, monkeigh.>Obsidian>You see a tall female [Aldeari] before you. More specifically, a [Craftworld] [Aldeari]. She has long, [Ginger] hair. You also recognize the signature [Ranger Long Rifle] she holds. It is a strange sight in this part of the [Koronus Expanse]. A mon-keigh here? She says it with a hard r.
>>556271569doesn't she already have a hubby or am I misremembering
I'm really, REALLY liking Colony ShipI know I'm saying this every day but the games is actually pretty deep, fun and combat is unforgivingreminds me of the all early '00s cRPGscurrently in the Forge part of the ship, took down a couple gang of banditsi wish there was romance and proper voice acting tho
>>556272921what dolly are you smooching
>>556272828She's a widow.
>>556272671when I think Yrliet is retarded I remember she taught herself how to speak low gothicshe taught herself to speak in your language to call you a slur and then chuckle haughtily about her own superiority, even though everyone wears a translator, she's a very special kind of retarded
>>556273109I fell in love with Smilesshes a random temporary companiontheres not even romance in this game, am I cooked chat
>>556272921I love that you love it. I had great fun with the game too.
>>556273147cuckshit then
>>556273147the Jaheira archetype
>>556273256Touch grass anon, it's not healthy to fall in love with pixels (non-romanceable)
>>556273256Don't let her die.
>>556272256I don't like his voice
>>556273256me but Gobbet
I love when people say shit like "reminds me of the all early 90s games" like it's a testament to how good the game and not that's its fucking lazy and uninspired 30 years laterIt's like buying one of these $5 indie platformers with millions of clones and saying "wow this game is so good it reminds me of megaman x"
>>556273721game dev, software in general, and society in general, is facing an ever worsening "competence crisis"
this thread is so goodit reminds me of /gif/
>>556273164It's actually you who is retarded, most people don't have an elucidator. Madame Gyatt certainly did not
>>556273337I also like how the setting is grounded, like the "wacky space religion" is actually just christianity, but not in a W40k grim dark way>>556273594shes alive and well, I'm not sure I'll ever meet her again>>556273454>spoileryeah thats hard, lots of headcanon going on in this game>>556273717I never actually played shadowrun, is it good>>556273721I said '00s you ignorant fool
>>556273256I'd like to explore her colon..y shipIf you know what I mean
>>556273721>not that's its fucking lazy and uninspired 30 years laterYou can only do so much. Games truly have barely evolved since Pong.
Why won't Slaanesh tempt me with succubus sex? I want to sell my soul and protectorate for sex but the chaos gods aren't offering me shit
>>556271117>>556271178Only way that happens is not fighting for her if you and Haer’Dalis are beginning to court her at the same time. Further, if you’re already past flirting and in a committed relationship with Aerie when HD tries she straight up rejects him. You can only cuck yourself.
>>556273721>good game? b-but where's all my lootboxes and live service elements???
>>556274231>NOOOO it doesn't count you see this cuckshit is different!!!!
>>556274225you get a cool sword and a cool dude in power armouris that nothing?
>>556273994>I never actually played shadowrunThe three games are unrelated, and I've only played Hong Kong, which is the last released, and people generally think is the best. People also generally don't have a good opinion of the first, Returns, but I haven't played it.To best enjoy Hong Kong I think you should be a person who enjoys reading and basically approaches it as an interactive novel. There's a lot of optional dialogue that sure you could blast through or skip, but then I think you're missing the good stuff of SR: HK.So "good" is hard to say because everyone comes with different expectations and values but it's absolutely one of my favorite CRPGs I've played.
What is the Megaman X of crpgs
>>556274471thanks, it will be the next one on my list
>>556274432I. Want. To. Coom. Inside. Women.
>>556274406Not the original anon. Just a BG2 player setting the record straight because I do play the games.
>>556274231>Only way that happens is fighting for herftfy. You need to back down from the fight
>>556274678I've tried three times now and failed all of them. Sex is exhausting.
>>556274731>cuckshit okay if game old!!!!!!!!
>>556274678you know Slaanesh has way more than women to give, your average hentai pales in comparison, futa porn would be considered mild by their standards
>>556274786
I would have given Bhaal the Netherbrain if he let me have sex with Orin but instead he gets NOTHING.
why do writers even bother writing a story when sex is all that moids want in their crpgs
>>556275206this but also areelu and not going legend
>>556275270Xister have you seen the amount of words there are published about railing Jimmy or Marzipan? How is that different?
Yrliet shouldn't have been romanceable in the first place
>>556275154>no option to marry her after she said that
>>556275530This.
>villain offers sex>winswhen will they understand? are western sensibilities so cucked that devs can't implement the most basic of bargains with a villain?
>>556275270Have you seen what women have done to the publishing industry? They killed books with their coomerism
>>556275154Nah my penis is unironically too large so at least it pleases women.
>>556275154I got so turned on and excited when she said this for some reason...
>>556275270To write a good story you need to be a good writer.Anyone can write goonbait.
>>556275270>>556275461>>556275697Normal women can't even get normal smut anymore now that degens have taken over.
>>556276137>Anyone can write goonbait.Oh yeah? Prove it, write some steamy paragraph
>>556275685One of the bargains you can make with the Desire Daemon in DAO is for sex. Wrath has Nocticula. BG3 lets you fuck Mizora. Not a crpg, but the villain of Blood&Wine offers sex to ingratiate herself with you. I’m sure there are others I’m forgetting.
>the dolly with (features you find attractive) smooches youcan i be a real crpg writer now
>>556276421>Blood&Winenot a crpg
How much sperging will there be here when we all discuss The Expanse Osiris Reborn when it comes out?
>>556276421>the villain of Blood&Wine offers sex to ingratiate herself with youCam and Wendu also do the same thing in wotr, and you can pressure Galfrey into sex on corrupt Devil route
>>556189590It was never impossible, just really hard. They have since lowered reputation thresholds so you can literally do nothing hnow and still reach max reputation with all factions. It should have been impossible though to max out all factions. It would add another layer of roleplaying if you had to choose which faction to work with. It's absolutly retarded that being friends with pirates and heretics doesn't lower your standing with the navy and the church. But I understand why they did it. People who play roleplaying games today are allergic to roleplaying for the most part and just want to see numbers go up
>>556276828None. TE:OR will have its own general, at least for a week
>>556276828not a crpg
>>556277118>>556277180I will discuss it here :)
>>556273994>shes alive and wellSee, if you played a filthy, retarded, loser pacifist then she would have DIED.
>>556275697Bro, the first erotic novels for women were written by men
>>556275270I like CRPGs specially because they are a synthesis of so many elements. A fantasy epic story, a tactical combat game, a dungeon crawler, a VN style dating game, choose your own scenarios, a character/party build optimization game, sometimes even a management sim. All the various elements strengthen my investment with the others. I like the characters more because I trekked all over the countryside with them. The combat is more fun because the characters aren’t just faceless hirelings. The whole is greater than the parts. I’ve played VNs, I’ve read romantasy novels. They are not the same experience. CRPGs are pretty singular in how multidimensional they are.
>>556275270because a porn game isn't that profitable ackutally. It would get blacklisted in most stores. Someone like Kibbles gives sex instantly and yet its not enough for waifufags who wanted bimbo Argenta and Yrliet to open their legs
Excuse me, what the fuck?
>>556277251are you sure about that?
>>556276828Not sure, depends how interesting the dollies are. Expanse doesn't aliens or elves or furryshit so it won't be too appealing to the mega degenerates.
>>556277589Sex with Inscribia Vultur??
>>556277618That's just an ugly Chinese woman with pointy ears, shit characterElves need to be somewhat alien and ethereal otherwise the effect is lost
>>556277251we already have plenty of cuckoldry posterswe don't need even more
>>556277589Is that real, chat????
>>556275461But they're all the same though. All jimmy fanfiction is "ooooh, master van callox!", and all moombai crap is about vampiring billionairely. They all write the same shit and all fanfics are interchangeable. How they not get bored from it is beyond me
>>556277589jaws
>>556277589Oy vey!
Mishulin is not in the Chaos Files
>>556275697Average hasn't set foot in a book store in 20 years poster
>>556277851>I'm not Chinese, I am a GOOK!
>>556278467I actually did last week and was very distressed by what I saw
Only Tolkien style elves are real elves.
Why do Owlcatfags always bring up books. Do they think Owlcat games are well written in the first?
>>556276303UhhhOne day an elf girl with big boobs from your party walks naked into your room and says>Ooooh inferior human specimen, please make love to me, I am ovulatingShould be enough for a modern crpg romance.
>>556278768They're better written than Dragon Age games
>>556278026I like the one in which Jimmy sees the xenos having sex I bet there are Jimmy/Marz fanfics out there Nocturne/Marz fics exist I'll have to go on a wild ride to see what they're cooking
>>556278892Better written than DA:O, DA:I or DA:V? AbsolutelyDA2? No way. Say what you will about the gameplay, the story was the best out of them all.
>>5562792322/10
>>556278989>Nocturne/MarzOh wow, double the vampiring billionairely. Riveting. Unless it involves clown noses and comically oversized shoes it's shit.
>>556278490I'm so sick of earth-race elves. It's unnatural.
>>556279232>the story was the best out of them all.It was, unique, I'll give you that. I don't think it was executed well though
>>556279394does Nocturne honk or squeak when he comes? that's the true question
>>556279550>wot if both sides were bad!yeah... never been done before
I beg owlcatfags to play something else
>>556278768As in this case, books usually get brought up in the context of “If you love <Non Mechanics Thing> so much why don’t you just go read a book about it?” Not in the sense you’re implying of arguing that a particular game is better written comparable books.
>>556278628Did you clutch your pearls
>>556279714this but for da tards
>>556278857WFRP has superior art to 40k. 40k is too gnarly for me
Did Cassia really say something so problematic or is that an edit?
Do schizos here actually think everyone in a crpg general is just playing one crpg forever and there's just factions of different gamefags
>>556180050Your character doesn't actually have sex with her right?You both just do some weird stuff to cope with your corpse bodies being enable to get it up and feel good.
>>556275697The issue is more that most younger guys stopped reading books. So lots of genre fiction has bent toward female preferences because that’s what the market of buyers is. That said, there are still lots of good sci-fi and fantasy being written if you spend a little time looking around.
>>556280154I genuienly think Biotards don't play anything except DA and Mass Effect, they try to kill discussion of other games
Ready to have your mind blown, /crpgg/?>mon'keighIt's not just a random gibberish word... Say it outloud, it sounds like "monkey"You're welcome ;)
>>556280081There are definitely some based russian chuds that work at owlcat
>>556278857Why no WHFB RPG /crpgg/?
>>556280245We know Toreadors "have sex" but she's Malkavian and the story did literally start with you having sex so eh. The game is inconsistent with that.
I'm playing wotr for the first time and I need some help. I just arrived at Defenders Heart after beating the maze fighting at the garrison and I have some questions1. Is there a time-limit? I got a lot of different quests at the tavern and the game seems to suggest that time is of the essence. Is there a time limit, and if so, can I complete all the quests I've been given in time provided I play intelligently?2. Is it normal to be one-shot by enemies? I am only playing on daring, which as I understand it makes me take less than 100% damage, and yet I've faced at least 2 attacks that literally oneshot characters on my team. Lann was oneshot by the demon lady's lightning spell in the garrison and my avatar, with 14 points con start, was oneshot by the boss at the end of the shield maze.I know there are feats to increase ac and spells that lower enemy attack rolls, but is there a way to mitigate damage?
>>556280553That'll be after Dark Heresy, Owlcat won't make a third 40k game.
>>556280350That's not the full story and we both know it. The real reason why men stopped reading is because men, particularly white men were intentionally pushed out of the industry and can no longer be traditionally published.
>>556280081>H-has this sheltered noble girl who has been taught her entire life that she is superior to everyone else just done a heckin racism???? AAAAAAAAAHHHHH HELP ME GEROGE FLOYD I AM GOING INSAAAAANE
>>556280780>particularly white men were intentionally pushed out of the industry and can no longer be traditionally published.Lol, is this the demoralisation guy?
>>556280780you aren't white
Men are visual creatures, why would they read when movies and video games exist
>>556280245Vampires can use the power of blood to simulate all the mortal mechanisms of sex. Fluids, body heat, physical signs of orgasm, all that. But there’s no genetic exchange and although it can be physically pleasent and even pleasurable it pales in comparison to the pleasure and satiation of actually feeding on blood. So it sort depends on what you mean by “actually have sex.” If you just mean penis in vagina, that happens.
>>556280941The ones bitching about books do not read anyways. They just """"read"""" Owlcat writing and seethe about it.
Vampires are Pog Werewolves are Cringe
>>556280897>>556280903>>556280941Everytime there's a chance of an honest discussion you intentionally derail it
>>556280350It's not even really that genre fiction has bent towards women. It's just that stores are putting romance at the front of the shop because that's what actually sells right now.There's just as much dogshit edgy warhammer ripoff fantasy as there always was.
>>556280350>That said, there are still lots of good sci-fi and fantasy being written if you spend a little time looking around.Any recommendations?
>>556281251>LeftistI'm more racist and antisemitic than anyone in this thread
i can't believe abelard was in those files with the rogue trader
does anyone know how to fix the load bugs in RT?some places just take forever to load and then just stop at 100%googling it just shows people spam clicking inputs and that somehow fixes everything but doesn't work for me
>>556281251back to /pol/ little chuddy
>>556256394I like it and my eyes are strongI play with a strong lamp in my room too
>>556280780>men are so oppressed abloobloo>>556281251>leftist discoursenot crpg
Dark Heresy should be set before the events of RT so that we get a young Naval Officer Abelard cameo, it's worth it just for that.
>>556281251>honest discussionHeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
>>556281251Go back to twitter
>>556280702No time limit but there's a thing that'll happen and a couple things will be a little different if you go to them before vs after but nothing to worry about.I recommend new players start on Normal while they learn the mechanics of the game. The difficulty just simply scales more steeply than most videogames that give you ass pats for playing on "X-TREME NOT FOR BABIES" mode which actually should be called Normal.I would say for a new player it's not uncommon to find Daring to be too difficult, but part of that is also just being early in the game where a stray crit can be your entire health.Pay attention to your AC and what's contributing to it, hover over lines in the status to see what contributed to them landing or missing. Pay attention to enemy's AC vs Touch AC, getting them flatfooted is even better. Also target specific weaknesses so get in the habit of noting their Will/Reflex/Fort.
>>556281003>no genetic exchangeCringe.
>>556281620You are not fucking younger Abelard. You are not fucking Abelard. Period. Stop wanting sex from grizzled silverfoxes.
>>556280780aside from this being false as men keep writing books just fine, women have been reading since back when they were intentionally pushed out so are you saying men are naturally more fragile?
>>556280780Bullshit. Lots of the authors I read to this day are white guys. Furthermore publishing is incredible decentralized now. Ebooks won. If there truly was a massive underserved audience for “adventure novels for young men” people would have tapped into it with more success.
>>556281376Is your gf like Jocasta Sauerback?
>>556281417What do you have it installed on? I've never had that bug.
>>556281376So, a leftist?
>>556281871That's Abelard
>>556281796First of all, I'm a man but my foid discord frens that love older men definitely would want that.Second of all, I don't want that. A man can love a male character without it involving sex, geez. Younger Abelard cameo would be kino af
>>556281796Meh. Abelard is too servile. I want Cazador
>>556281905my C drive m.2
>>556282048Younger Abelard is just going to be a Theodora simp. Would be embarrassing to see.
>>556281796Why does Jocasta get to fuck him and not me
>>556280780
>>556281764>>556281003I thought dhampirs were a thing in VtMor was that an unofficial add-on?Can someone explain to me why my Abelard suddenly has 15 points in dogmatic? I could have bet he is JUST iconoclast?
dark heresy should have a yrliet and marzi cameo where they show up help you with a mission and then have sex
>>556282150?????Naval Officer Abelard hadn't even met Theodora yet
>>556280897>>556281557>>556281842>>556282194You don't have to keep replying to the same post you know, we all know you're the same seething biotard femcel subhuman
>>556282202He has always been dogmatic. His iconokek lelvls are just for show anyway because they've realized that they only have a single iconokek companion that no one is going to use
>>556281356Recent stuff? Tainted Cup and Drop of Corruption by Robert Jackson Bennett. Murder mysteries in a very cool bio-magic setting.
>>556282202I think that's just a thin-blood thing. Like an even shittier thin blood than those ones you meet on the beach in Bloodlines.
>>556282393you need to take your meds
>>556282393Sorry anon, I'm only one of those replies.
>seething biotard femcel subhumanI'm only one of these things
>>556281871Not a fan of black women>>556281972Off yourself, kosher right migger
bro saw women's erotica in a book store and decided male authors do not exist anymoresad
>>556282828You're just having a melty because I described your reading habits
>>556282394Abelard is absolutely icono. His whole thing is that he got in trouble too much for breaking the rules in the navy and he goes along with all of your heretical icono bullshit.He's just not the bleeding heart type.
>>556282202>dhampirThey are but it’s a final nights thing. Very thin bloods with humans. Full blooded vampires are eggless and shooting blanks.
>>556282964I don't read books, neither do you
>>556258693>>556258823I mean if you wanna read into it like that sure. The point is that morrigan and her mother lived in an extremely remote swamp where the only people around were chasind. Morrigan rarely ran into them, Flemeth needs a daughter to exist so she can transfer her soul into the next bodyMorrigan says multiple times she didn’t really get to interact with the chasind often bc flemeth would beat her for contacting them
This is a Tremere general, Malkavians not welcome
>>556283109I used to, but I wouldn't be caught dead wasting my time with what passes for literature now
>>556259730Damn, Heinrix putting the boot into Abelard's weak spot
>>556283109Nietzsche spoke of this
vampire the masquerade general
>>556283761Dangerously close to talking about a crpg. Better start whining.
Me? Toreador
>>556283010>bro, let's freeze 'em to death>bro, let's just kill them>bro, just pump the vents with poison gas>totally iconokek btwOk lol
>>556283883you're the biggest whiner itt btw
>>556283969None of those things are non-iconoclast
Imagine taking pride in reading literal fantasyslop, it's like gloating about watching reality TV or playing Owlcat games.
>>556278857Man, being a Bretonnian Knight and going from a Knight Errant to a Knight Of The Realm and finally a Questing Knight culminating in achieving the quest for the Grail over the decades you search for it would be the greatest CRPG ever made.
>>556283010Hard doubt. He's the one telling you that it's a waste of time to educate and try to give better living standards to your own people.
>>556260015Jimmy just thinks that it's nobody's business who people sleep with, and that abelard is a nosy old man. I hope you get to invite your companion to tea parties and shit and watch them seethe at each other in one of the dlcs
>>556283969Icono choices run the gamut from letting people read to just ignoring imperial creed to enrich yourself.
>>556284176being br*t*nn**n would ruin all of that though
>>556283969Iconoclast doesn't automatically mean "nice". It means thinking for yourself.
Brujah, motherfuckers.
>>556284105the worst are the ones who get elitist and uppity about Tolkien and Gene Wolfe, they're always the most boring, tedious little midwits imaginable
>>556284315Being a Bretonnian (Knight) is better than being anything else in the setting.
>>556284070Neither is being insubordinate is non-dogmatic. He's just a hypocrite who kills people for the exact same shit he was doing
I can't read so when a game has an alignment system I blindly pick the alignment options instead of roleplaying
Morecock and his novels
>>556284576yeah i bet you want more cock homo lol
>>556284490>being insubordinate is non-dogmaticYes it isDogma = lawtismIconoclasm = rule breaker
>>556284576>MoreCockDaniel Steele?
>>556284624What if I follow some rules and break others depending on my whims?
>>556284731Iconoclast, because you're putting your own judgement first.
>seriously arguing the RT alignments ughhh I don't like you die!
> [Abduct] I like you! Die!
>>556284624Lmao, no it's not. I know you're a speed reader that just picks whatever [koolaid] option you like the sound of, but Abelard follows the dogma constantly. And will always advocate for using the old and proven methods for everything as opposed to thinking outside the box despite the game saying that he doesn't
iconoclast chaotic gooddogmatic lawful evilheretic chaotic evil
>>556284731Iconoclast, you must follow all imperial laws to be dogmatic even breaking one (even on accident) makes you iconoclast in the eyes of imperium can be punishable by death depending on the mood of the arbites or inquisition.
>>556284797>>556285007I'm glad we cleared this up
>>556284987Abelard advocates for using the old and proven methods he used serving the previous rogue trader.
Burning an orphanage for the Emperor XD!! Purge purge purge those children!!
Allowing you to have multiple levels in different alignments truly breaks the alignment autist
>>556285218Yes, thanks for agreeing that he is in fact a dogmatard. Cheerio
Argenta not having even a little Iconoclast is silly, especially with what they toss on Abelard
>half my team dead>half of the eagle watch dead>all allies aside from 2 archers dead>minimalmy god...
>>556284989Dogmatic is Lawful Neutral, the truest representation of it. The Law is all that matters, and anyone who breaks it will die.
I hate 40sloppers so much its unreal
>>556285860It’s purely based on how much the arsonists torch iirc.
>>556285860Owlcat didn't expect you to be that incompetent.
>>556286038not surprised, still funny though
I love 40k so much
>>556286104how much money have you spent on it
>>556286061could've gone better sure, but when the enemy gets some annoyingly lucky crits at round 30 I'm just going to power through
>>5562862180, I only pirate stuff
I'm glad I stopped playing 40k in 6th edition.
>>556285524No, he follows the old methods that he PERSONALLY has found to be effective. He does NOT go by the "book". It's a character point that he will not follow an order he disagrees with.
Poor guy keeps getting ganked and dies in every single encounter
I love 40k so much.
>>556286703you will never be a lesbian sister
>Lame Curse reduces speed by 10>Lone Strider Oracle increases speed by 10, offsetting any negative I'm so clever
>>556285860You can complete A1 within like 2 rests, and if you do that you'll skip the defense event, and still get all the XP and loot for it.
>>556285883>You knowingly sacrifice innocents as policy>You enforce cruelty even when mercy would work>You treat human life as expendable fuel for the system>You justify atrocities with "this is how it must be"If you’re enforcing an evil system you’re evil my nigga lawful neutral would try to maintain order while minimizing harm, not maximize the suffering just to make an example
>>556287097but that's the spirit of 40k, nigga.
Dogmatic = Lawful NeutralIconoclast = Chaotic Neutral Heretic = Chaotic Evil
>>556287097Just following orders broIt was me or them broIt's been like this for ages bro stop questioning it
>>556287097the imperium isn't evil because he likes them
>>556287301>Going by the spirit of 40k, not the letter Iconotard detected
If Hellknights are Lawful Evil, how the fuck is the Imperium not Lawful Evil?
All of the sacrifices are necessary, trust the plan!
I can feel the paragraph incoming
>>55628761840k uses a different alignment system :)
The Sneed before the Feed and Seed
>>556287859There is no official 40k alignment and if we're talking in universe then obviously the Imperium would consider itself Lawful Good.
>>556287618>If Hellknights are Lawful EvilAre they?
Turning my wife into corpse starch for the Emperor :D !!
>>556288129Fuck you mean "Are they?"
>>556288129Yes? In Pathfinder lore they're Lawful Evil.
>>556288181Indolent heretic. You turn your wife into an obedient servitor and then have lots of children with her, and those your turn into corpse starch.
Iconokek is having a meltie again. They require 2000 more hours of diversity training
>"Regill… that’s an orphanage.">"Incorrect. It was an orphanage. It is now a structurally unsound military installation with poor perimeter discipline.">"There are children in there...">"Yes. That is why the enemy chose it. Emotional shields are cheaper than steel and far more effective against sentimental commanders.">"Your solution is to… level it?">"My solution is to remove the enemy asset and punish the strategic misuse of children. The explosion accomplishes both simultaneously. Efficient.">"You’re saying this is… moral?">"No. I am saying it is correct. Morality is a luxury ideology invents when it runs out of hard decisions.">"Couldn’t we evacuate them first?">"We could. That would alert the enemy, prolong the conflict, increase casualties elsewhere, and encourage future factions to hide behind more orphans. You would be responsible for creating demand.">"You’re unbelievable.">"On the contrary, Commander. I am extremely believable. That is why wars are won by people like me and memorialized by people like you.">"…You already gave the order, didn’t you?">"Of course. Hesitation is simply cowardice wearing the mask of compassion."
In hindsight, Anti-Paladin is a really stupid name.
>>556288526this but also 90% of the name choices for the multiclasses in poe2
>>556288220>>556288285I thought they were more lawful and not inherently evil
>>556288656what do you think "evil" means?
>>556288656Are you retarded? Did you not play Wrath of the Righteous?
>>556288440I want to feed my child starch to the emperor
>>556288656No, they're specifically evil. Iirc, they're from Asmodeus personal human kingdom and serve him. It's telling that Valerie was thinking of becoming one.
>>556288656they're not, ignore the owlslop-onliesin the pf fluff, there are lg, ln and le hellknight orders
>>556288285>>556288220Anons are retarded. They are lawful, that's the only requirement. Whether they are evil, neutral or good is unimportant
>>556288493Based Regill doing what needs to be done. The only real villain here are the Demons that took an orphanage hostage in the first place, Regill merely took the necessary steps to make them understand such actions were not tactically viable, saving thousands more children in the long run. Truly the hero we need.
>>556288816Valerie is Lawful Neutral tho
Lae'zel is Lawful Evil
>>556288526More games should have evil paladins
>>556288440>turn your wife into an obedient servitorI already have kebab. I could turn her into a servitor, but that would make no difference
>>556288849But I don't think that would work at the Nuremberg Trials...
>In their iron-handed exaction of law—specifically, the laws of their various orders and their home country of Cheliax—Hellknights emulate the organized and effective armies of Hell. They are not concerned with morality or methods, only results. If people cannot be trusted to obey the law out of their own senses of civility and social righteousness, Hellknights provide the need to obey out of fear of a master's stern hand.Hellknights are the definition of Lawful Evil, you don't have to be Lawful Evil to be a hellknight though.
>>556288753Did you?
>>556289019Regill will not lose...
What about Awful Evil?
I wish Regill wasn't shit to use, I like his voice
>>556288656That's correct. They serve a pantheon of five Lawful deities (two of which are LG, by the way, and two of which are LN) and have varying interpretations of which part of the creed is most important leading to a wide variety of members. Owlcat just chose to heavily emphasize the LE part for whatever reason and gave none of the nuance Hellknights are actually supposed to have. Straight from the PF wiki:>Regardless of their severity, Hellknights are not an inherently evil group; they are wholly unconcerned with morality. Although there are numerous evil members—particularly among their upper echelons—the majority of the orders are impartial arbiters and enforcers of order and justice. They see the study of Hell's tenets and even the summoning of devils as tools meant to intimidate and strengthen the individual resolve of the orders' members. Hellknights are taught to replace emotion with steely discipline, and are not interested in methods: only the end results matter.They're categorized as a LN organization, by the way, and have many LG members.
>>556289271he's good, the mythic armor feats have buffed him
>>556289178Just because you can become a Hellknight if you're not Lawful Evil does not mean Hellknights aren't Lawful Evil. You'd have to constantly take Lawful Evil actions to be a Hellknight and would eventually have an alignment change. A Hellknight is literally a soldier of Hell and modelled after the Lawful Evil God Asmodeus.
>>556289385Not for me. he dies quick all the time even if buffed
>>556288753>>556289178I joined the hellknights and I was disappointed in my free armor
>>556289605are you playing on Unfair?
Asmodeus is also Law first, but he's still Lawful Evil.
>>556289634no
>>556289465All of what you just wrote is false, though. Your personal interpretation of what they are is irrelevant, when the actual source material flat out states they are a LN organization who simply do not care one way or the other about moral cause, and seek order and discipline above all else. They view Devils as tools and a means to an end, no more, no less. You would know this if you even took one minute to read the wiki entry on them, by the way. I swear there are so many motherfuckers that just talk out of their ass when it comes to subjects like this it's unreal, they have no actual knowledge or familiarity about what's being discussed but they shout out their retardation as if they're the highest expert on the subject. Disgraceful behavior.
>>556289881He should be fine as 10 Armiger/10 Hellknight if you pick good feats
>>556290067>who simply do not care one way or the other about moral causethat means they're evil chuds
>>556289271I never had any problem using him, on core at least. Fearsomeness makes him a great controller
>>556290067>yes I am autistic how could you tell?
>>556290067I don't care that they're officially considered LN when their actions and mortality and rule is literally the definition of Evil. If you do Evil acts for Lawful reasons then you're Evil.
If you do chaotic acts for good reasons, you're lawful goodt. Seelah
>>556290386you're a cuck
>>556290504I accept your concession.
Hellknights have an obvious evil lean to them, even if they technically accept neutral and good people as members as well. If they were truly a neutral faction, there are already several Neutral planes they could have named themselves after. They could have been the Astral Knights, or the Elemental Knights, or any number of other actually neutral planes. But they didn't. They named themselves after Hell. To ignore their choice to name themselves after Hell instead of any number of actually Neutral places, just to point at the wiki and say over and over that it says they're neutral, would be omitting the spirit of the organization. Yes, they have a technicality that they are more lawful than they are evil, but no, ignoring the fact that they have an obvious Evil bent would be irresponsible.
>>556288493In the words of the GOAT, >Fuck them kids
>>556290692no hes lawful good
>>556290635"Neutral Knights" slaps
>>556290635they named themselves hellknights because they saw how effective hell's training regimen/discipline was and decided to copy it for their own ends, that's ityour interpretation may work for another ip that uses the idea of hellknights, but it's most certainly not true in pathfinder
>>556290067Why do autists need their lawful evil faction to be the good guys every fucking time
>>556290635Make the most hilariously lolevil villain organization ever and you'll still get a troupe of idiots who will defend it to the death as long as one of them ever says "We're taking the tough choices the goodie two shoes don't dare to!".It won't even matter that they're also hilariously incompetent and have never actually accomplished their goals, only destroyed everything on the way to them. As long as the idiots get the illusion that it's a necessary evil, they'll get boners just thinking about it.
>>556288493Why is it okay when Regill goes behind your back like this but bad when Cam kills the odd crusader?
>>556290635The thing is that Asmodeus is literally Lawful FIRST too, he's autistically Lawful but also Evil. Hellknights being Lawful first is literally in accordance with the lore of Asmodeus. If Asmodeus is considered Lawful Evil then so are Hellknights.
I find alignment quibbles to be terribly dull and sleep-inducing
>>556290692>being this mad over being blown out by the word of god that he whips out a shitty photoshopDamn, bro, you need to chill
>>556290996They cannot fathom being a evil chud
Alignment slop and resting mechanics need to GO.
>>556291142>evil chudbut that's an oxymoron
Hmm, which picture of Sarah shall I post in the new thread
>>556290996>bro thinks that mossad are not the good guyschuds are something else
I don't respect chaosfags
>>556290386That's not true though, at least not by D&D alignment standards. The Hellknights are clearly LN by that metric.
These threads have taught met that all lawfulfags are autistic & gay
Lawful Evil? more like Lawful Stupid!
>>556291367The concept of lawfulness was literally forged in the fires of autism
>>556291367>>556291450fuck you
It would be like some organization who call themselves the Nirvana Knights, who emulate how things are organized in Nirvana and have a Nirvana aesthetic to their armor, calling themselves not a Good organization because they just emulate how things are done in Nirvana. They accept Neutral and Evil members, and only use Nirvana as a template to emulate, so they're technically not Good, they're Neutral. Yeah, sure, we can nod our heads and say that's technically true, but it's not true in spirit, because someone who is such a fan of Nirvana that they emulate their way of doing things and name themselves after it are obviously going to be doing a lot of Good things as a matter of course, even if they firmly hold on to the technicality that they're neutral. You see how silly this is if you just flip it around and use another example.
You don't understand bro. I have to microwave these babies for the greater good.
>>556291474Cmon and put me in jail!
>>556290996Lack of empathy.
>>556291617You can cope and seethe all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that hellknights are not inherently evil
>>556291749>OHHH I'M SO EMPATHETIC LET ME PREP THE BULL SOME MORE HONEY
>>556291723If it's 40k then it actually makes sense if they're like tainted by chaos
>>556291723You need to stop seething, it's not good for the soul
You don't understand bro. I have to microwave these babies for the Emperor.
>>556290635They call themselves Hellknights because they specifically summon and utilize Devils as part of their training and toolset. >>556291067Except the Hellknights do not exclusively worship Asmodeus and are not an order centered around his worship. The entire reason the order was founded to begin with was by a father who started a vigilante group to hunt down his sons killers, that's the actual basis of the Hellknights.
>>556291949Maybe a SoB will finally love me if I do this
Sorry I can't kill these civilians they've done nothing wrong apart from being born as walking telepathic signals for a hostile all devouring alien race so I'll put them down on a planet so the game can call me a retard in the credits.
>fags are experts on Pathfinder loreI don't believe anyone has played the tabletop
Does Argenta get wet when you do dogmatic shit?
>>556292263>>556292263>>556292263
Obsidian is not having a good time right now bros, please buy their shit games
>>556291016Killing for a reason vs killing for the funniCam tards proving their delusion yet again.
>>556290996Autists have to think of themselves as in the right at all times
