>>556371098
Just because our particular East Kaioshin can't heal doesn't mean the others couldn't. If Kibito can do it it's certainly within their means.

>>556372523
I really hope they keep the japan olympics reference when they animate the Granolah arc, even if they are dated

>>556372691
The same manga that has Buu awakening his Grand Kaioshin powers also confirmed Kaioshin can't heal. Not just Shin, Kaioshin in general.

>>556372965
>the same fanfic we were criticising for being retarded contains more retardation!
I don't believe it

>>556373110
>[thing] is dumb because my headcanon says this works this way
>wait [thing] already said this doesn't work like that at all? Well that's because it's dumb!
Wonderful circular reasoning, my cardboard colored friend.

>>556373513
>my fanfic made up shit the original manga didn't say
>you're the one with the headcanon!
I accept your concession.

>>556373612
>I'm not the one with headcanon, I'm just filling the gaps from the original manga with ideas confirmed to be wrong by the sequel manga okay??
Yeah my bad, that's not really headcanon, headcanon works under the premise the idea could be right but it never got confirmed (something like "Great Saiyaman colors are based on Android 16"). When your idea is confirmed false (Kaioshin can have healing powers) it's no longer headcanon, it's fanfiction.
And when you call an official source "fanfiction" because it contradicts your own fanfiction that's just called being a projecting little bitch.

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DBS' manga also had Shin talk about Buu's healing like it's part of Buu's own powers, instead of something he got from Kaioshins. As far as the original manga goes, you can argue either way, but I believe that since Buu likely wasn't planned to have absorbed any Kaioshin initially, and he still had healing powers anyway, it's just something he can naturally do like the Candy Beam, and he even does it from his tentacle head too, specially since Babidi (Who never saw Buu before) expected him to be capable of healing, so it sounds like something Buu can naturally do. Of course, just because it wasn't planned initially doesn't mean the healing wasn't retroactively changed to be something Buu got from Kaioshins, but nobody talks about that in-universe, so again, it could go either way, but I feel it leans more towards healing being just a power Buu has.

>>556374246
>Piccolo can't heal, they have to use Dende
>therefore, it's headcanon to suppose some other Namekians could heal
It's over, Toyopaco.

>>556374359
There's something really offputting about someone millions of years old having the intelligence of a toddler. Of course with this Boo also has the "HE CAN LEARN ANY TECHNIQUE AS HE SEES IT HE IS SO SMART WOOOWWW" trope because Toriyama hadn't beaten it to death yet.

>>556374901
>Toriyama hadn't beaten it to death yet
Goku, Tenshinhan and Cell had already done it. I think it was pretty dead by then

>>556374437
>the shitposter can't even reason anymore
Namekians other than Dende being able to heal has been said (and in the Super manga, shown). Kaioshin attendants being the ones able to heal while their masters don't has been said (and technically shown).
You really and earnestly believe "me don't like it" means your headcanon has prevalence over the official product we are discussing right here, don't you, you poor, neuronally starving anon?

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>>556374901
>intelligence of a toddler.
Buu is decently smart though? He's just innocent about over whether or not killing is wrong because he was taught that way.

>>556374901
To be fair, fat Buu is literally brain damaged.

>>556375187
Nothing you say will make another, different manga relevant for internal interpretation of Dragon Ball.
>has prevalence over the official product
Literally anything has prevalence over "Dragon Ball Super" because it is a different series. We could have the exact same discussion, with the same evidence, 30 years ago before DBS even existed.
I don't even dislike Super, but it has no bearing on this conversation what so ever.

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It's weird how vocal we are about goat Moro being his best look but ever since the announcement my tl has been full of Super and most people draw him in his most humanoid form, reminds me to the starter pokemon discussion, apparently everyone wants more animalistic and quadrupedal starters, but then the humanoid ones are the ones that become most popular

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>>556375418
That's not a thing Salagir.

Do you think Age 1000 will reference the DBO lore stuff like Goten ad Trunks starting Martial Arts Academy or the Supernova fight of Goku and Vegeta?
Or will they retcon that with new DBS centric lore now

>>556376201
>the humanoid ones are the ones that become most popular
Because people want to fuck them, which is different from the more sincere fandom. I don't know if anyone wants to fuck Moro but another consideration is that most artists train to draw human faces before anything else and the goat would be harder for them.

>>556375668
>changing the goalpost to "well Super doesn't count only the original manga does!"
The discussion began here >>556342515 when questioning how in Super the god power of the Grand Kaioshin is latent in Buu but he can't normally use it. It's a discussion about an event from Super (Buu not having the Grand Kaioshin's abilities) that is consistent with other event from Super (Buu's magic healing being his own ability and not something he absorbed since only Kaioshin servants heal).
If you really wished to talk only about the OG DB manga you wouldn't even be taking part in this argument.

>>556376201
>rare case of someone getting his ears right
>gets his face marks wrong
Sigh

>>556376201
Gork what are softcore porn artists.

>>556376702
In that post I wasn't even considering the healing ability, it was about his power level since another previous post proposed using that DBS form as a powerup. What I was discussing with that and the subsequent replies was whether Fat Boo is weaker or stronger than Pure Boo.
The healing discussion is another thing that spun off later and is unrelated to DBS.

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>>556376857
I wonder how many Cellro shitposters genuinely think the guy has Cell's marks because they have only seen all the fanart getting his design wrong

>>556377014
>In that post I wasn't even considering the healing ability
I know? Do you have any reading comprehension? The healing discussion is a result of the previous, original post, and both came from the same thing, Buu having to do something in order to fully utilize Grand Kaioshin's abilities, which is an idea from Super.
This discussion is from Super. This discussion depends on Super. This discussion wouldn't exist without Super. If you want to talk exclusively about the OG DB manga then this discussion does not exist for you.

>>556377495
I made the fucking discussion, retard. The question of whether Boo deriving his healing ability from the two Kaioshin he absorbed is a reasonable takeaway from the original story is far removed from anything DBS related and Toyotaro's fanfic is not admissible evidence.

https://youtu.be/FY0Zg5s60C4?si=RhYV3A64gRtvLwQz
BT3 what if episodes are cool but logically they don't make sense
>kid goku being able to bypass arale toonforce and defeat her
>8 and kid goku being able to stand up to android 16
>while i can take that the future saiyans that gained power by conquering planets and zenkais are able to stand up to base zarbon but bardock still shouldn't be able to touch freeza even in his weakest form
>while the devilmite beam should be able to kill freeza and cold, devilman himself shouldn't be able to touch even freeza soldiers

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>>556377091
It's weird how artists can get the mark wrong when they could just look at the manga for a quick reference.

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>>556376331
>I don't know if anyone wants to fuck Moro
Have you seen Moro's hips??? Furries are gonna go wild with him
My best friend is a fucking furry and I've heard enough from her to know her kind will go crazy with Moro's high contrast fur, giant chest, exposed midriff, childbearing hips and low waist pants

>>556378594
furries don't like human faces like the entire point.

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>>556378395
Both marks and ears. The guy actually looks devilish because he looks humanoid but has horns AND ears of a goat, and yet fanart usually has him with the generic elf ears namekians have

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>>556378594
Am reading parts of Moro's arc. This talk of people being horny for Moro made me snort at pic related with Goku's face being so near Moro's crotch.

>>556377937
In the video King Vegeta and Vegeta fight and the latter defeats Freeza (which shouldn't be possible) but they can lose and Bardock carries the fight and wins (which still shouldn't be possible)

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>>556372523
>shartnga
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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>>556378594
>exposed midriff, childbearing hips and low waist pants
This was drawn by a woman just today. It's almost surprising Moro's bush isn't peeking there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXb7Xhdl9hE

he's right

>>556379574
Not watching allat but DBS Beerus was literally announced after the announcement that the anime is being continued further so this is a total non-issue to pretend to be upset about

>>556378735
There are all kind of furries bro, you will have many of them like
>god I wish that were me
Here >>556378997 and don't make me start with the vore, an entire generation of degenerates will awaken when they discover they wish Moro ate them raw like he did with 73

>>556379713
The popular Moro form is a monster boy. Liking monster boys doesn't make you a furry.

>>556377748
>when I asked about this matter only brought up by Super based on a talk about Buu having a transformation ability he only displayed in Super I didn't mean to correlate it to Super in any way or form, I swear I was referring exclusively to the original manga!
Kek sure you did

>>556379574
Why's his thumbnail saying "Why Toei" when it's the manga's job to move forward and everyone in handle of it.

Toei has to animate Moro and Granolah so they're safe for the next decade or so.

>>556379934
>not only is he arguing about the argument itself on a meta level, he is now making up headcanons about the argument
Unhinged.

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>>556379395
>This talk of Moro in fanart made me wonder what pixiv is drawing of him
>Search for モロ
>Mostly panty shots
What the hell.

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>>556379882
I'm talking about furries wanting to fuck him. Be a "monster boy" or a pan/satyr/faun the furries will like that shit

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Smugpup.

>>556380071
There's nothing meta about the circumstances of a discussion and it's not headcanon, (You) are the one who said the original comment of the reply chain came to be based on two guys talking about Buu being updated in videogames to have the Grand Kaioshin's abilities/form, which again is exclusively from DBS.

>>556379682
It is an issue in the form that the manga is still on halt, so DBS is technically still not moving forward.

>>556380258
Classic

>>556380386
The relevance of the post to DBS begins and ends at me questioning the idea that Boo should not have access to the Dai Kaioshin's power. Everything after that is inherently unrelated because I haven't even read the DBS manga that far and don't care about it. If you can't accept that then I don't know what to say, sorry man, come back as a smart guy in your next life.

>>556380195
no. wrong.
You can not post porn of base moro on a non-b/trash red board you would be banned for furry pornography, if you post moro-73 you wouldn't.
e621 and 4chan both define furry pornography the same way. You would have to define Japan as a nation of furries if human filth in cosplay counts.

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>>556380195
wait a fucking minute I just noticed Moro didn't have furry legs in his first forms, only in his humanoid forms so he looks like a faun holy shit

>>556380673
>the relevance of my question to DBS ends at me asking the question now please leave me alone
Fucking kek, okay, since you asked nicely I will stop calling you out for being so full of shit. You even admitted you have no idea what you are talking about so I will concede you that, be free.

>>556379574
>he thinks that DBS had no filler just because it didn't follow the manga
sir it did follow Toriyama's outline however, and anything not in it had no meaning to things that were in it (such as the Hit rematch, or the U9 GoD wanting to kill Frieza)

>>556380762
I'm sorry to interrupt your furry essay but
>furries will want to fuck both the goatman and the faun
Doesn't mean
>both the goatman and the faun are "legally" considered furry porn

>>556381294
Congratulations for punching at air for hours, anon. Maybe you can find someone to actually debate about something relevant next.

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>>556381078
His shoes even look like hooves

>>556381514
some furries sure
some creatures will eat meat and plants equally, we generally call these omnivores. Only when creatures prefer plants strongly do we call them herbivores.

Who killed 19 and 20 in Future Trunk's timeline and in Cell's timeline?
>18 and 17 obviously
Who pressured 20 into releasing 17 and 18 in Future Trunk's timeline and in Cell's timeline?

>>556382396
Butterflies got them, anon.

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>>556381078
The faun-Pan is fitting given it's the form where he adquired godhood, and ties with his previous form being more of a baphomet/canain pagan deity. And according to Toyo his first look (hooded) is based on the grim reaper. Pretty cool guy, I should re-read the arc before Super Kai drops

>>556382396
#19 had maintenance issues and Gero didn't feel like going at it alone

>>556382234
Anon you know most of furries like non-furry shit too right? Thankfully the amount of them that can't get aroused unless it's animalistic stuff is pretty much non-existent

>>556383539
Omnivores aren't real herbivores.

>>556382396
Its very possible he turned himself into a robot/created Android 20/upgraded 18 and 17 because of Future Trunks showing up. Which would explain why none of these things happen in the future timeline.

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>>556383825
Don't bring up Dr. Gero seeing Future Trunks thanks to the spy bots, it makes one anon in this general very upset.

>>556383825
Why would Gero give a shit about seeing suppressed Trunks

>>556383583
I'm not for a philosophical discussion about fucking furfags. The average furry will want to fuck Moro 73, I don't care if you don't consider them "pure pristine genuine furries" because they don't want to fuck animalmen exclusively dude, I don't even want to think about something that degenerate

>>556372812
The what now

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>>556383825
>>556383979
>>556383995
>Dr. Gero seeing Future Trunks

>>556384138
The average homosexual furry would want to fuck Goku too then.

>>556384414
Yeah, obviously Frieza and Cold blew up all the drones, so Gero couldn't have seen Trunks.

>>556384625
There's no evidence they did that, I'm inclined to say the drone just didn't get there in time because it happened too quickly but who knows

>>556384992
That's silly. They are supposed to follow the Z-warriors

>>556385152
The Z warriors are definitely physically faster than the drones and Trunks rushed down and oneshotted Freeza and Cold, I don't see how the drone would do it

>>556384469
Yes? Have you seen Furries? They'll fuck anything that moves if they get the chance.

>>556385254
Then Trunks and everyone sat down around a cooler and waited for Goku

>>556385519
Yeah that one is just negligence

>>556385275
If true, I don't see how "character that appeals to furries" is meaningful in any way.
Nor do I see why "furries are going to go wild with him" means anything either. Most porn artists aren't furries by any definition.

>>556384469
Maybe? Again furries aren't people who want to fuck only antropomorphic animals, that's just an extra to their other tastes.

>>556380137
You should add _(dragon ball) after Moro so you get the character since pixiv is kinda shit with its tags

>>556387956

>>556387840
The overlap between people who want to fuck Goku and Moro_(73) is far greater than the overlap between Moro_(73) and Moro_(Base).
This is proven by the fact there are proportionally more people into anthros in America than Japan, Japan where monster_girl slop is litteraly everywhere. It's not a slippery slop, they aren't connected in that way at all.

>>556387840
>Again furries aren't people who want to fuck only antropomorphic animals,
Yeah, they also want to fuck the actual animals

>>556390056
You'd think they'd get less uppity when ferals are posted in /adhg/ on /trash/ then

>>556383995
No, seriously, why would Gero seeing possibly suppressed, base Trunks turn him into 20

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>>556384412
Those chapters were released during the Tokyo 2020 olympic games, so Toyotaro added sport references to the battles

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>>556391210
>references
It was just him tracing again

>>556391210
>>556391683
I don't see it at all

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>>556391683
Goku Pro Skater when?

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>>556392619
Yes they turned breaking into an olympic sport

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>>556392826
And of course the cerelian default move fits here too

Okay some of those are reaching way too hard

>>556387883
I know that now, I just expected "モロ" would be enough, instead of having to specify "モロ(ドラゴンボール)", since "時の界王神" for Chronoa is enough without getting weird results.

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>>556393037
Oh and no longer related to Tokyo's olympics specifically, about a year later Toyotaro's section of drawing characters that haven't appeared in the manga had Olibu with a new move he has never used in any media, one that resembles Myron's Discobulus, the depiction of the disc throwing sport since Olibu is supposed to be the hero that inspired most of Earth's heroic tales, primarly the greek champion Heracles.
I would love for more sport references in DB

>>556391210
>>556391449
>>556391683
>>556391906
>>556392150
>>556392369
>>556392619
>>556392826
>>556393037
>>556394025
I see, so this is the autism of Toyofags

>>556376201
Cell Moro is only unpopular here because of contrarians who sniff their own farts.

>>556396523
>Nobody could disagree with the reddit consensus

>>556396842
The issue is that many people are just doing it to be "too cool for another Cell-face villain". That is some SUPER terminally online/obsessed shit to even think about.

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>>556380258
They should make a game where all 80 ToP contestants are playable. An 80-player arena fighter, I'm surprised it hasn't been done before.

>>556397142
>Wanting to see diffrent things in media is terminally online

>>556397553
Sorrel

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>>556380258
Whatever happened to that poster?

>>556397876
I dunno he was in the /dbs/ discord back when the anime was airing but kind of fucked off after smugpup was eliminated and people got tired of his tripfaggotry

>>556397553
>I'm surprised it hasn't been done before.
Because very few actually care about ToP contestants. The only notable characters are from U7 (obviously), U6, U11, U2 and U3, and aside from U7, less than half of each universe have notable characters. The lack of interest is so obvious that not even Heroes/Legends/Dokkan added even half of them.

>>556396523
Cell Moro is unpopular everywhere.

>>556399193
It'samazing how ToP fodder got shaftes worse than movie fodder

>>556399864
>>556399193
They're all the throwaway npc designs. The only people who actually give a shit about them are equivalent to that weird kid in class who hyperfixated on that one off background character that jobbed immediately long after they were no longer relevant. It's like if someone's favorite character in Dragon Ball was Olibu and they insisted he's actually secretly the strongest

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>>556397553
I think I should clone myself 80 times then have sex with Caulifla/Kale 80 times.

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Bra gives you this look. How do you respond?

>>556402056
Death Beam Barrage.

>>556402056
MAKE. PREGATE.

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>>556399864
Movie fodder have it less bad because movies typically have better animation, which gives them something memorable if the fight is well animated, and they're all isolated from each other, which makes it easier to remember them. ToP contestants mostly had forgettable battles, even more forgettable personalities and designs, and there were too many in a single arc to keep track of. Really, Toriyama should have been tard wrangled when he wrote "80 contestants fight each other in a battle royale" on his napkin notes. If he had to draw that, he would find a way to get rid of most of them since it would be a pain in the ass to draw, or make the number much smaller than 80.

>>556402056
Mating press

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I'm wondering just how much Toriyama was involved with the writing of the anime version of Moro's arc before his passing, because thinking of it, Toriyama hasn't done a new, pure evil villain in DB in a long time. Freeza is the only one still around, and Moro is a different flavor of that. With how different Toriyama-isms and Toei-isms are, I think we'll be able to tell how bullshit Iyoku's statement of Toriyama's involvement is (For the record, I think this is just like DBS where he only wrote napkin notes).

>>556405678
>this is just like DBS where he only wrote napkin notes
That's exactly what this is. As a matter of fact, I doubt he was involved in the anime adaptation at all. They're still just adapting things from his original super notes (of which he had very, very few for both Moro and Granolah)

>>556405678
It's gonna be hilarious when they adapt Moro according to the napkins and not from the manga at all. 2028 can't come any sooner.

>>556405678
Anon we already know the script was mostly Toyotaro on his own with some Toriyama ideas

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They have to up their game in regards of what ifs, if we were talking about Heroes having Moro steal UE and other stuff would be just a matter of time, but with Divers who knows if they are gonna have fun what ifs ever again

The Moro fight happens way too early to go on for as long as it does in the arc. I like the diaper duo jumping the gun and starting the fight early just to job, but it's like the fight never really ends from the beginning of the arc to the end. Gives me Frieza anime fight vibes.

>>556407329
dont EVER post this kike shit again... Z GODly could never be defeated

>>556397553
>Most of these people out scale all of Z
Sad isn't it?

>>556406161
>I doubt he was involved in the anime adaptation at all
I mostly do as well, but I felt he was more involved with Daima, so maybe Moro's arc was going to be similar (Or planning to). Then again, the anime only went into production recently, and Toriyama has been dead for two years, so unless the script was written that far ahead...

>>556406987
Toei will likely fix a bunch of things in that case at least, but they're not much better than Toyotaro...

>>556407014
Of the manga version yes, but since the way they talk implies it's gonna be different from the manga with Toriyama having some more involvement, that's why I'm wondering. They could easily be lying about Toriyama's involvement too of course, I'm only wondering about the possibilities, and how different it may be if they're doing their own take on Moro's arc.

>>556407329
Even Heroes was tame with what ifs. The most we got were regarding the villains, and even then they weren't too crazy ("What if Turles got a longer black haired form", "What if Black used other SS forms with Rosé", "What if Kid Buu absorbed Janemba and Dabura"). Sparking Zero of all games is the one that threw us something with Gohan Black.

>>556407891
Yeah I felt it was weird for Moro to be fought so early too. His fights in general overstay their welcome, Vegeta vs Moro lasted for two chapters, then Goku joins in and we have another chapter and they both lose, then once Buu and Merus join it's four more chapters... And this just a setup so they lose and can fight Moro later, six monthly chapters of this... Buu fighting Moro is the highlight.

>>556409346
Anon not a single source, neither official nor the leakers that have talked about Super Kai, have said a single thing about Toriyama making changes for the anime version. They will either adapt the manga version with the minimal changes to fit their version (like SSBKK and SSBE) or just use the basic script Toyotaro wrote with Toriyama's help and fill the blanks (like the used to do for other arcs, just with a script that is mostly Toyotaro's).
There's nothing about this secret Toriyama version of the arc for the anime

>>556399193
I mean if we are lowering the bar to allow U2 and U3 in I think U9 also fits.

>>556399864
They were always meant to be throwaway characters, just look at DBS BR, they only bothered with the characters that were designed by Toriyama and Toyotaro, absolutely nobody else made the cut, not even Annilaza.

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new live action

https://youtu.be/fevI0hOkyJg

>>556409989
I'm going to be honest, I had completely forgotten about Trio de Dangers lmao.

>>556410385
I mean that seems personal, I remember them better than the magical girls and the android whose name I can't spell...

>>556407891
>but it's like the fight never really ends from the beginning of the arc to the end
I don't know what AI summary you watched in youtube but Moro utterly defeated Goku and Vegeta in a pretty definitive way, he left them without their life energy, only survived because namekian healing and still were in a coma for 3 days. And the next time they fight they end up at base form power and running away from the planet, not daring to meet Moro again until 2 months later, it's literally the longest time we ever got between the initial encounters with a villain and the last one
>Goku fought Piccolo and lost early in the arc, a few days later they fought again and Goku won
>Vegeta's fight is extra large if you count Nappa, otherwise it's just one encounter
>Freeza has an actually endless fight all without stop
>Cell fights Piccolo, some weeks later fights Piccolo and others again in one large fight with many people showing up, then 10 days later the Cell Games happen
>Buu fight is early in the arc and has a ton of them with everything happening in just some days, and many of these fights not having proper conclusion until the end
>Black is fought pretty early, they run away and beat him the next day
>the others are movies or tournaments, do I have to say anything?
Here the good guys got crushed and needed a break of two months, that's the opposite of "fights never ending from the beginning to the end"

>>556411849
Read the arc again. They're out "for a few days" but we basically skip those days from a readers perspective, and the Lord of Lords appears to fill the gap almost immediately anyway

>>556411849
Two years for Cell

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>>556409346
>Golden Metal Cooler - Dark Dragon Ball engraved
>Super Saiyan 4 Warrior (Bardock) in Black - Potential Unlocked by the Dark Dragon Balls
>Ultra Full Power Saiyan 4 Broly - Demonic enhancement
>Broly Dark (a SS4 Broly that died and has been revived by demon arts and then mind controlled by the demon army masks)
>legendary evil golden ozaru Cumber
>golden ozaru Gogeta
>SSGSSE Gogeta that in the anime looks like "angel SSB" for some reason
>the shadow dragons of the Dark Dragon balls, basically super powered and edgier dragons, Omega having a demon enhancement form
>a dark Buu that absorbs Gogeta and becomes "Dark Gogeta" (and later fuses with Mira)
>SSBBC Fetishgeta
>Buu absorbing Bibbidi, Kibitoshin, Demon God Dabura and Janenba
>SS and SS4 with Kaioken (not Super Kaioken)
>SSB Goku and alt SS4 Goku with their energies fused
>SSB Goku after absorbing the power of a tree that creates entire universes
>SS4 Gohan and alt SS4 Gohan
>Ultimate Goten
>SSG Trunks
>SS3 Nappa and Raditz
>future Trunks fusing with future Gohan
>alt future Trunks fusing with alt Goten
>alt future Trunks fusing with alt Vegeta for some reason
>almostSS4 Rosé Black
>Janenba - Shadow the Hedgehog edition
>King Vegeta - Shadow the Hedgehog edition
>Super 17 being controlled by the demon army or absoring Android 16, Android 18 or even Cell
>Slug fused with Earth somehow
>Cell and alt Cell both being able to turn into the obscure, previously korean MMO-only aberration known as Cell X
>human Willow and humanoid robot Willow
>Baby Hatchiyack
>Baby Janenba
>two more Babys, one of them possessing Super!Vegeta, both of them possessing Kale and Caulifla, later fusing into an androgynous one that becomes a giant monster
>many demon original characters like Gravy or Shroom, with their own power ups like demon god, darkness form, etc
>a fucking fusion of some of these OCs

>"Even Heroes was tame with what ifs."

>>556372523
Beerus and Whiz are the only DBS characters with strong visual identities. All the others are bad, and this is intensified in the games. Look at Jiren's awful body proportions and uncreative moveset. In the games, he looks great because they give his movements personality. The stiffness in his movements is deliberate in the games, but in the manga, it's just the artist being bad. People are hyping the new arcs, but they are just rehashed old ideas with poorly drawn characters. I thought it was just out-of-touch fanboys complaining about things with really pretentious redraws and crap. But it's really hard to defend DBS.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/N3emT9p_Xwk

With Toriyama dead Toei is free to turn Goku into the hero they always wanted him to be who punishes bad guys because they are evil not waku waku fun fighty time superku like Toriyama wanted are you prepared? I remember people being really pissed off Gomku mistook pan for bread

GT had cool ideas
Super had cool ideas
They sucked, haven't seen Diama but it looks like it has no ideas of it's own.

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>>556413538
That still leaves months of chapters where they are preparing for Moro after Namek, and it still doesn't feel like one fight at all as he (you?) said. Nothing about pic related feels like "round two soon!", they jobbed hard, future fights were something else.
I do agree the manga sometimes suffers from the "every chapter must have at least a battle" rule tho

>>556413585
If you mean the time until the androids arrive that was 3, if you mean the RoSaT that's only the time in the room, in-universe everything is happening fairly fast (and Goku and Gohan didn't train 2 years, but one). Imagine if they took Goku to a super RoSaT in the middle of DBS Broly and he arrived 20 years older and stronger while Freeza gets his ass kicked for 20 minutes, would you count that as a break from the action?

>>556415906
Considering Toriyama's last works. He was into SOL shit, most of his stories sideline the villains or just don't have any villains. They're a bunch of lame gags and cutesy art style.

>>556415906
Not watching your youtube video but
>mole dragon in the thumbnail
Remember that's the first fight SS4 Goku ever won.

>>556415906
I know Toriyama complained about them making Goku into too much of a hero (especially in the movies), but they really overcorrected with Super.

>>556415906
This is literally what people have always wanted.
Whenever you see guys here talk about Goku, it's obvious that they want GTku or Dubku more than Toriyamaku.

>>556417635
Evolution broke him.

Inb4 dbz gets remade but like Kung Pao enter the fist

>>556417236
Goku killing is done in a playful manner. I don't know, Toriyama wasn't being serious for most of the DB run until the editor saw that the competition was doing better with “serious” drama.

>>556418550
Piccolo trained Gohan wrong on purpose, as a joke!

>>556409346
>but they're not much better than Toyotaro...
Toei definitely is. They know what sells. Just compare how they handled Toppo compared to the joke how Toyo handled him.

>>556419838
Ah, yes, the time they turned their actually funny and charismatic version of Toppo into a boring dark hulk kek, great example here

>>556419838
Anime Toppo SUCKS what are you on about? Nobody asked for that goofy faggot to make a mockery of God of Destruction as a concept

>>556420097
You need a really high IQ to understand why Toppo switched to lethal mode in the tournament where killing is banned

>>556420097
>Nobody asked for that goofy faggot to make a mockery of God of Destruction as a concept
... but enough about Vegeta in the Granolah arc.

>>556419838
Toppo is exactly what I was thinking when I said "they're not much better than Toyotaro". He was funny, but a bit annoying at times in the anime, but GoD Toppo is just bad. Though manga Toppo is just, there. If Moro's arc is like the rest of DBS, then its highs will be pretty fun, but the lows will be atrocious.

>>556422965
The thing is, DBS anime actually had some highs. The problem with Toyo is that his manga is consistently mediocre. There's not a single worthwhile thing about it aside from one volume cover that became a meme.

>>556422310
>Vegeta tied with someone who defeated UI Goku
>Toppo became a non-character using a lethal technique where killing isn't allowed and jobbed to SS Blue(r)
lmao

>>556425491
And Vegeta isn't even an actual GoD candidate. Jobbo is such a failure

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>>556409346
>Sparking Zero of all games is the one that threw us something with Gohan Black.
>What if Zamasu... bodyswaped with Gohan!
>It's mostly the same shit, even with the "we're loosing, better fuse" thing from the arc.
Gohan Black isn't that different from Goku Black in terms of character either, you'd think Zamasu would have to deal with Gohan's tard rages the same way he was influenced by Goku's waku waku but no.

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>>556407329
Moro doesn't seem to be able to copy "direct transformations", even if he can copy a technique that at max output results into a transformation (see how he didn't go Ultimate or SSB despite copying Gohan or Vegeta, but copying Merus gave him UI and made him go silver), so I don't think he could go LSS or Beast. But there's something else he could copy in a what if

So in regards of Boo's abilities, you aren't gonna like this but the very concept of Boo being able to use its absorptions' abilities isn't even canon, in the original manga Boo just uses advanced mimicry and copies moves he has seen before, but he never ever uses a technique he didn't witness beforehand so as far we know it's entirely possible Toriyama wrote Boo absorptions as a mere power leeching thing, and he couldn't use Makankosappo, Masenko or other stuff simply because he doesn't know about those techniques. That too would explain why in the GP arc they have to awaken the Grand Kaioshin's memories specifically, because even if he had the means, he needs to know about the Kai Kai Matoru in order to perform it.

>>556420050
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>>556422965
I honestly don't know where all these manga Toppo fans came from. He's pretty much a flash in the pan non-character like most ToP contestants in the manga.
The anime version has infinitely more characterization and is far more fun to actually be around. Sure the transformation makes him a more serious and less fun character, but that comes at the climax of the art after he's been around for like 40 episodes.

>>556432287
I assume it's just one guy spamming. Nobody ever gave a shit about Toppo or the TOP in the manga, meanwhile I've never seen people have a problem with Toppo in the anime or GoD Toppo. He's generally well liked and so is his fight against Vegeta.

>>556432287
>>556432664
It isn't "manga Toppo fans". Nobody gives a shit about Toppo, period. He's lame.

>>556432664
>>556432664
>>556432664
no, not vegeta but for the way he folded Freiza up and the way he got Jiren to get his fighting spirit back after Goku ran the ones with him so bad he just wanted to be knocked off, Toppo's a good friend and Jiren's wholesome smile at the end of the arc is because of him.

manga toppo is a nothing character just like everybody else

>>556432745
I liked him. I don't know why this general pretend to have Alzheimer about the TOP lately but the TOP and the mini arc leading up to it had a lot of good moments and characters.
I've seen people here say they only remember the UI parts with some U6 and U11 thrown but I clearly remember U2, the guys Roshi fought, Obuni etc.

>>556432745
Again, he's pretty fun in the anime. Some of the only scenes I actually remember fondly from the ToP are his scenes (like when #17 interrupts the mahou shoujo transformation, Toppo shows up and choppily shifts poses whenever he shouts JUSTICE)

>>556433097
>pretend to have Alzheimer about the TOP
I think it's more like you have rose tinted glasses and we all cheered because there was nothing better to do at the time, but the TOP is mostly garbage. They spent way too much time gassing up literal nobodies or doing unfunny Sailor Moon gags.

>>556433242
>They spent too much time doing good and cool stuff
No. Go watch Solo Leveling if you just want hype and aura.
>I think it's more like you have rose tinted glasses
I don't, I just have a memory and attention span longer than a gold fish and I don't understand why some people in this general are pretending they don't lately. It's a very recent phenomenon.

>>556433565
It's only a recent phenomenon because people feel more comfortable voicing their distaste for aspects of Super now that we know it's getting fixed.

>>556433756
People have never hesitated to shit on Super, especially here. You're not making sense.

>>556433565
>>556433756
It's actually just because most people here were too young to actually be in the weekly airing threads.

>>556433952
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IT'S ONLY RECENTLY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MEAN TO MY SUPER
>ackshuuuaallly it always happened
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself

>>556432287
When the fuck did I glaze manga Toppo? I just said the anime ruined him with the shitty hulk form you insecure cuck

>>556434024
>It's actually just because most people here were too young to actually be in the weekly airing threads.
I don't use /a/ but I was here when Super was airing weekly and /dbg/ didn't use to pretend they couldn't remember stuff we all know about like Gohan and Freeza vs Dyspo.

>>556433756
The only thing getting improved is the animation. The actual writing's liable to end up worse, or at the very least, less entertaining, which is a definite probability with them cutting stuff. All the arcs are varying degrees of awful. Cut out the slice of life and fun character interactions, and Super doesn't have a leg to stand on anymore.

>>556434036
>People not hesitating to shit on Super is the same as pretending you can't remember stuff
/dbs/ is that way. Being this desperate for attention isn't healthy and you need to learn to talk like a normal person.

>>556434429
Honestly anon, you sound very schizophrenic and being this sensitive to dissenting opinions is a clear cut sign of autism. Hope this helps.

>>556434523
Your tears do help entertain me. Now go back.

>>556434337
>The actual writing's liable to end up worse, or at the very least, less entertaining, which is a definite probability with them cutting stuff.
Most people here have convinced themselves that they'll be rewriting the anime to match the manga for some reason.

>>556434674
Anon, the fact that you need to invent narratives to justify in your mind why someone would DARE have a different opinion on something than you is extremely unwell behavior. Hope this helps.

>>556434036
You can't tell people they're embarrassing themselves while also melting down in all caps.
>>556434523
You're making it really obvious you're the one artificially pushing that dumb take.
>>556434708
It's because they are twitter and youtube tourists who convinced themselves their fake leakers are not full of shit.
Also the manga's writing is worse than the anime anyway.

>>556434814
I already said your tears do help make me laugh. No need to keep asking, beyond your need to beg for my attention.

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>>556435007
>The original manga
That's Toriyama's. There's no BOG original manga, the movie was made first.

>>556435224
And what is your cope for remakes for the other arcs?

>>556435308
The ones that weren't announced?

>>556435007
>most of the anime is just working off of existing boarding or literally touching up what was already done
>the few new things shown in the trailer don't even look like the manga
>there is no manga original version for Kami to Kami, because it's a film original production
I really don't get this at all, like, just go and read the manga version man. If they based an anime on that, it'd be about ten minutes long.

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>>556435746
I really don't see a point arguing on a mongolian basket weaving forum with someone using intentionally disingenuous arguments, I suppose we will see in time fren

>>556435975
Sound like a lot of cope. It's not disingenuous to point out the obvious. There's no 'original manga' for BOG, ROF or basically any Super arc.

>>556436071
Come on man, obviously they mean Toriyama's original vision for it. He was also much more involved in the manga telling of the story than the anime being that he worked with Toyo directly.

>>556434708
You can blame the official DB website and anitubers for that. The way the site words things, people came away thinking the new anime would be faithful to Toyo's manga rather than faithful to the spirit of Toriyama's.

>>556436265
>Come on man, obviously they mean Toriyama's original vision for it
Which isn't Toyotaro's manga? It's Toriyama's napkins.
> He was also much more involved in the manga telling
Nah, he was involved in both. He literally made Caulifla to go along with the anime creating Kale.
And he didn't work with Toyotaro anymore directly than he did with the anime, they both sent him stuff for approval, he provided a few corrections and addition and sent it back. It was the same for both.

>>556434024
I watched Super as it was airing but didn't use 4chan till a few years later.

>>556436265
>obviously they mean Toriyama's original vision for it.
Yep.
>He was also much more involved in the manga telling of the story than the anime being that he worked with Toyo directly.
He worked on both lol.
People see Toriyama redraws and go "TORIYAMA WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE WAY!!" when obviously he wasn't. Toyotaro also did what he wanted based on an outline, Toriyama was supervising every single step of his outline, he just reviewed it and made adjustments to existing work within his rough draft, he didn't go "Now you need to introduce X btw".

The most damning evidence of this is the Moro arc itself, where Toyotaro literally did what he wanted, no Toriyama involved. If Toriyama was so involved with the manga, why would such an arc even exist?
You can literally see the bones of the outline when you compare the anime and the manga, and how Toyotaro's manga is often just rushed to a finish line, like in the Tournament of Power. I'm fairly certain Toriyama did not do/approve about 60 new character designs solely for 50 of them to only appear in one or two panels.

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Why do people treat Toyotaro's manga like its the origin of Super? When the series was announced, it was for the anime. The manga came out first because no shit, it's a promo manga. No one in the Eva fandom would claim Anno's anime deviated from Sadamoto's work. Same with Kill la Kill, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Eureka Seven, etc. Why are DB fans so uniquely and ubiquitously retarded?

If the anime is goning to follow the manga, that means it will skip RoF since the manga skipped that.

>>556437115
We can only hope

>>556436965
They don't, as toyofags aren't people.

>>556436965
>Why are DB fans so uniquely and ubiquitously retarded?
A lot more browns, third worlders and worst of all, dub watchers.

>>556436965
>>556437773
Also the DBtubers are even more retarded than the average anitubers so that influence their retarded fans too.

Why does DB have so little collabs and crossovers? Fucking Frieren got a Solo Leveling crossover / collabt.

>>556443402
Goku Daima in the next Soul Calibur, you gotta believe!

Talking about Goku Daima, his fight against Tamagami 3 might be the fight that best represent Toriyama's godlike paneling in animated form.

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>>556444538
>Implying Soul Calibur is getting another game
Lmao. Its last director abandoned Bamco.

>>556446830
I honestly haven't paid attention to Soul Calibur since the time they added Yoda and Vader. That just make my joke funnier tho.

>>556436965
Nobody thinks it's "the origin" of Super, just like nobody sane thinks it's a promo manga since that has never been stablished either, both versions are different adaptations of the same outline. The difference is that one of them has been referred to as canon and the other not only uses Z-anime noncanon continuity as basis (see Trunks OVA) but is currently rewritting itself without filler until it's worthy of adapting the arc the manga's author and Toriyama created years ago kek

>>556447035
>it's a promo manga since that has never been stablished either,
It was actually. It was directly announced as one.

>>556446953
>That just make my joke funnier tho.
Soul Calibur is weirdly cursed when it comes to directors. IIRC every game has a new director, which can explain why the plot and gameplay direction feels disjointed.

>>556447035
>The difference is that one of them has been referred to as canon and the other not only uses Z-anime noncanon continuity as basis
That is exactly why canon is overrated. Even if you claim Toyotaro's manga is "more canon", not that many people really care about its take on characters, they just like some different details like Black going SS1, but by default, the anime's take of events and characters is the favored one overall (Even if it has a lot of garbage).

>>556447035
>the other not only uses Z-anime noncanon continuity as basis
AKA Toyotaro's manga, where filler characters appear.

>>556448009
They are literally remaking the whole anime to follow the manga, are you living under a rock? Toei fucking lost. They are never writing anything again.

>>556436965
Because nobody liked the dogshit anime and Toei themselves has been crediting the manga in their Super stuff since the Broly movie. It helps that Toriyama had more of an input over it as well.

>>556448343
>They are literally remaking the whole anime to follow the manga
You keep pulling that out of your ass.

>>556448531
>still coping about the original manga stuff
Toyo won.

>>556448343
>are you living under a rock?
Are you? All they said is they're remastering the anime, and Ajay has claimed manga scenes will make it in (Such has Goku image training), but so far it's still the anime version first, with a manga scene or two, and if anything, they put emphasis on its changes being more accurate to Toriyama's view, which Iyoku mentioned at genkidamatsuri, and this article repeats:

https://en.dragon-ball-official.com/news/01_3976.html

>Dragon Ball Super: Beerus is the ENHANCED edition of the TV anime Dragon Ball Super, for which Akira Toriyama created the original work, story, and character design. The project features extensive new cuts, revisions to existing scenes, a complete re-rendering of all footage, newly recorded dubbing with added score and sound effects, and a full reconstruction of the story. Living up to the name ENHANCED, this edition employs the latest visual expression to deliver greater power and immersion across all scenes, especially the battle sequences. The result is an ENHANCED edition that expresses Akira Toriyama’s original idea and worldbuilding more accurately, that will be broadcasted with highly satisfying quality.

>>556448669
/dbs/ is that way.

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I'm really glad these characters exist, man. They need to interact more in Xenoverse and should've had a What-If in Sparking.

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>>556449645
Baby Vegeta's "base form" should appear more often in general.

>>556447894
They never announced it as a promotional manga, you just can't read.

>>556450239
It was literally announced as one on the very first magazine that ever mentioned it

>>556448343
Nah it's just a manga-friendly version, closer to the manga but they will still do their thing. They would have to work way too much redoing stuff for them to fully adapt everything

>>556450290
>he thinks repeating himself is an argument
No, anon. The magazine you are talking about never said the manga was promotional. You. Can. Not. Read.

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Why don't you guys just post the fucking magazine and settle it already.

promote these nuts

>>556448085
>he missed Mr. Satan students in multiple anime episodes, Gregory and even new filler OCs that are being removed in Super Kai
lmao
And that's not even a contradiction, you could delude yourself into thinking character x always existed and even if they didn't really appear like the old Z anime said they are appearing now, being canonized years after their debut. The Trunks OVA events on the other hand aren't compatible with Toriyama's original manga, they are something from the noncanon Z-continuity the Super anime used as basis, this excuse can't be used to save the old Super anime.

>>556450736
Cope

>>556450993
Sounds like a lot of cope over said filler characters being in Toyotaro's manga.

>>556450993
>The Trunks OVA events on the other hand aren't compatible with Toriyama's original manga
Explain how in detail

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>>556452439
NTA but it's just because of Trunks. In the Ova he got SS1 when seeing Gohan's corpse, but in the manga he already had it. Gohan's death is also different (17 and 18 team up to kill him in the Ova, 17 offscreens him in the manga).

>>556451931
None of the filler characters I mentioned are in the manga, my friend, and even if you are headcanoning some background character being one of those that would still not magically contradict anything from the OGDB manga. Looks like you are projecting your cope because you can't deal with Toei seeing their Super anime as the same continuity as their Z anime

>>556452439
Toriyama's Trunks The Story special and the The Story of Trunks OVA are different in how they handle Trunks' SS. In the manga Trunks has always been able to go SS and he never transforms out of rage when Gohan is killed, since he already has full control of the form, while in the anime Trunks awakens SS when Gohan is killed.
Each version of Super is consistent with the corresponding version, in the Super manga future Trunks is aware his other-self should be able to go SS already (despite being younger than future Trunks was in the special and living in a peaceful world. Because future Trunks himself never needed Gohan's death to go SS) but in the Super anime we see a rendition of the OVA's scene with future Trunks going SS after Gohan's death.
>tl;dr
The Super manga's Future Trunks arc references Toriyama's Trunks the Story canon special. The Super anime's Future Trunks arc shows the events of Toei's The Story of Trunks non-canon OVA.

>>556454000
>I mentioned
Glad you admit there are filler characters in the manga.

>>556454064
>being illiterate
I mentioned filler characters in the anime, like Gregory.

>>556454303
You are indeed illiterate.
Yeah and there are filler characters you didn't mention in the manga, moron. Keep up.

>>556454381
>the schizo changed his mind to "you actually didn't mention them" in only five minutes
>doesn't mention them himself nor explains how they actively break continuity like the Trunks OVA does
The illiterate schizo is having a stroke I see.

>>556454000
Oh manga specials aren't canon to the manga called Dragon Ball

>>556372523
How strong was Water Vegeta Blue

>>556444658
It's such a damn shame they didn't have all the Tamagamis fight Gomah together at the end, it would actually be good storytelling.

Instead only the one that had least connection to our MCs participated, which is also the one with least personality.

>>556429517
This really might be true but it's so lame I choose to reject it

I wonder what the "napkin version" of Z that would've hypothetically existed if Toriyama had no editors and didn't have to draw everything himself would've been like. Some obvious things would be
>less barren environments, Toriyama sets fights in wastelands only because he doesn't want to draw backgrounds. Namek might be more populated as a result
>No Cell
>Gohan probably remains the protagonist throughout Boo, since Toriyama wouldn't be writing the minutiae to get bored of him
>Super Saiyan might have a different design

>>556463630
Don't take Toriyama's comments too seriously. "I made super saiyan design as to not have to ink in" is the kond of self-drpreciation humor he was fond of. He favored simpler designs even innthe Super era.

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>>556464859
His self-deprecating humor was never actually untrue though. It's funny specifically because he really does what he mocks himself for.

>>556466376
i wonder if the lumps are somehow related to what eventually did him in

>>556466376
Lunch was not true. He claimed she stopped appearing because he forgot about her, but her VA later said it's because she specifically asked him to drop her since she didn't have time to voice her.

>>556468879
Which he of cause forgot about.

>>556468879
This whole thing is odd to me because Lunch does appear in filler throughout Z, people just don't really remember that.

Btw if ants can go Super Saiyan then Lunch's phenomenon is definitely the same thing, would've been funny to have her in Super Hero somehow

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Will she return in Sparking Zero?

>>556469249
I think you just gotta accept entertainers tend to adapt a public persona. I don't kniw how forgetful and procastrinating Toriyama actually was but he definitely played it up for laughs.
>>556471228
Only early on (and after that either as archive footage and then the last appearance for Genki Dama years later), it was just scheduling matter in the end. We don't know the exact timing of her foreign trip.

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>>556450239
Promotional manga are not typically directly called "Promotional Manga".
But, it should be noted that the DBS manga was only announced within an advertisement for the DBS anime, wherein the broadcast dates for the anime supersede the literal announcement of the manga's existence, and Uchida's comment there is about the anime, not the manga. That is because the anime is the main pillar of DBS.
There's plenty of promo manga that aren't called "Promotional Manga" by the way, and plenty that ran for years and had their own continuity. The big example there is Evangelion, but there is also works like the Rizelmine manga, or the Code Geass manga, any number of Gundam manga adaptations, etc.

You can make the argument that DBS stopped being a promotional manga around the time of Moro I suppose, but even as far as that point, it's still literally promoting anime projects. Like, do you read the manga and see the big two page spread that is in a completely different art style than usual, depicting the fight with Broly, and go "This is a totally natural move for a mangaka to make"? It's like that because the manga is promoting the new anime project.

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>>556478297
Holy FUARK

>>556477782
>it's implicit it's a promo I swear
Meanwhile Shueisha says it's the canon story and has been saying it since the ToP.

>>556477782
Careful, anon, too many receipts and words will hurt his brain.

>>556471362
I'd rather modern DB not try to science away the silly elements from OG.

>>556462575
On the other hand is means the more the story progressed the more techniques Buu could use so we could have stuff like kid Buu using Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack or Galactic Donuts and that's pretty neat

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>>556407329
Superdivers needs to wake the fuck up

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>>556402056
Brat correction

>>556489758
I thought Goku wasn't wearing pants on the thumbnail...

>>556485064
Giving them valid rooting in the setting strictly enhances them for me.

>>556486067
The fact nobody ever depicts other forms of Boo doing that shows that it was widely not interpreted that way

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>>556478297
Strong

>>556489758
It's only a matter of time before Divers gets put to sleep for good. Look forward to all the new stuff in Heroes' 3rd rebranding.

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>>556407329
i miss Heroes every day.

>>556491061
well duh 99% of DB media is based on the anime where Buu just uses powers from his absorptions and the suggested idea here is something that MAY or may not be true for the other 1% (the manga). If it's between what the most watched media says and what's left vague in what's left of course people tend to go for the former, not the later

>>556490861
Videl...

>>556484785
What I don't understand about the "it used to be a promo" thing is that the manga was always doing its own thing. BoG? Sure that was so fast I can see anyone understanding it as a promo, but then the manga didn't give a shit about RoF while the anime was adapting it and the manga version of the U6 arc wasn't just shorter than the anime, the big final clash with the "new" form the anime sold us wasn't even in the manga and the differences in the Black arc were even bigger. Why would they initially plan the manga as an abridged promo of the anime if it doesn't promote it at all? No japanese kid who read the manga hurried to his nearest Heroes arcade to get SSBKK Goku, they wouldn't be specially interested in Golden Freeza beyond the movie if they just read the manga, they wouldn't ask their parents for a spirit bomb sword Trunks and wouldn't understand why merged Zamasu becomes a giant deformed monster, at what point exactly am I supposed to believe they wanted the manga to promote the anime? The BoG arc only, the four first chapters??

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>>556407329
Fun fact, the only time Toriyama colored the Ozaru form he gave it completely blank eyes, like the ones Trunks briefly gets when he goes grade 3, the same ones Gohan almost gets in the manga when he lets his rage build up in Beast form and of course the same ones Broly and Kale have when going bananas.
Ozaru doesn't have red eyes, it just has the blank eyes of a raging monster

>>556495037
I don't think i've ever seen someone give bulma and trunks pink hair

>>556496519
>Toriyama oversaw
Daima
DBS Remake
DBS Galactic Patrol anime
Project Age 1000
meanwhile he somehow forgot that DBS is called DBS
huh?

>>556496519
Toyobros we won

>>556496519
>toriyama oversaw
as amazing as the man was, it would be particularly crazy if he managed to oversee not just daima, but several remakes and a new adaptation that probably isn't even properly storyboarded yet that'll come out 4 years after he died

>>556499298
im sad glass tribe lore will likely die with heroes, they were a neat OC race

>>556496519
>Grittier tone
>Toriyama oversaw
Somehow I don't believe that...

>>556496519
>grittier tone
fucking kek, daipa's histerical flop really made them do a complete 180 in the way they produce the franchise

>>556503548
Nobody asked about your diaper fetish, /dbs/ reject.

>>556504134
>Nobody asked about your diaper fetish
Yes, that's what everyone told Iyoku.

>>556504227
>NO U!!!!!
I hit a nerve.

>>556503548
maybe they can make with less sphere-headed aliens too
>looks at nu!yardrats
slim chances...

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>>556505897
>toriyama replaces all of saganbo's crew designs with stuff like pic related
>they all get their names replaced with "saganbo soldier [number]" or are never named

Stop talking to yourself, faggot

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>>556506828
I think he is just insecure that the thread would be really slow if he stopped posting.

>>556507325
Too bad for him. I like my slow /dbg/. It doesn't need to move fast. He can put a subway surfer video on the side if he's THAT fried by TikTok.

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Why do they never include General Rildo in anything? Was he that bad of a character?

>>556508753
name too close to dildo

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>>556372523
Which is stronger? Water or ICE Vegeta?

>>556508938
if we're going by pokemon rules, ice is objectively the worse typing and water vegeta should get ice vegeta's moves as well, so we'll have to give it to water

>>556508796
True. I have called him Dildo Rildo way too many times when he had a decent Extreme STR card of his nude form in Dokkan.

>>556508753
Bro look at him, he looks like a cheap taiwanese toy

>>556509126
Don't trash his outfit, he spent all day trying to make himself look cool...

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wtf the entire super remake in 2027?

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>>556508753
At least post his better design... Either way, I think he's not around simply because GT's first arc is the most forgettable one. Baby invading Earth is when things get interesting. Rildo does return in Super 17, but not only is his fight against Gohan bad, he also gets killed really anti-climatically when Uub does a cheap shot.

>>556509363
However designed this form should have his hands chopped off and feed to the pigs

>>556458869
SSB + 1, but he's really good at swimming

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>>556472417
If they're bringing back Spike, then Kid Chi-Chi is a given, especially since they already keep adding her in gacha games. The bigger question is, will 23rd Budokai Chi-Chi ever be added?

>>556509037
Not if they're hyper offensive, which Vegeta kinda is.

>>556510420
6ish episode mini-series for each smaller arc, like 12+ for ToP, 36-40ish episodes is very reasonable for a weekly anime let alone a partial redraw remaster

>>556512379
Yeah but defensive ice types suck and Vegeta's entire thing is being a punching bag, he got a legendary beat up and kept standing in his debut fight and his UI equivalent exploits precisely how he's used to be hit in battle, that's not like a glass cannon ice type would be. Tanky water type with ice coverage fits him better

>>556510764
He would still be the equivalent to the second in command, like Nappa to Vegeta, 19 to Gero, Dabura to Babbidi (actually Buu but you get me), Black to merged Zamasu (in a way), Toppo to Jiren, soon Saganbo to Moro... The reason Dildo doesn't get representation is because he fucking sucks

>>556503548
This has been in development since before Daima, dude, the basis of the arc (the manga) is from when they released DBS Broly.

>>556512804
No, his entire thing is being a jobber. So Ice being a glass cannon works.

Remember when Goku needed help from Gohan, Kirllin and Yadjirobe to defeat Vegeta?

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>>556496519
>grittier
ESSENCIA

Moro will be replaced with Xicor in the anime and Goku will become Super Saijin 5 as foretold in Dragon ball legends.

>>556510764
GT's first arc mogged the entirety of daima and half of badly animated super.

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>>556472417
Yes, but she'll have her sexless Daima design.

>>556515362
Daima looks the exact same except she's smaller

>>556508753
>says they never include Rildo in anything
>posts a screenshot of him being included in something

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>>556515442
Smaller, less thicc, less curvy.

>>556516587
Children are not supposed to be curvy

>>556513108
Thing is, those second in command were all active alongside their boss in a liked enough part of the story at least, even a lame character like 19 got to be the villain who beats up Goku when he was infected by the Heart Virus, got his hand ripped off, and got killed by Big Bang Attack, so while 19 himself sucks, he was around when interesting things were going on. Rildo is Myuu's second in command, but only during the less liked part of GT, he never gets to be Baby's subordinate on the part of the story people actually remember. Combine that with his terrible design when going hyper, the meh fight, and a personality that is nothing beyond serviceable, and he just isn't getting anywhere because he's a meh character, didn't do anything interesting or was around when anything interesting was going on. Games already struggle with GT representation on the villain side (Or, anyone beyond Goku, and Gogeta), anything beyond the 3 main villains are likely not being added (Nuova is an occasional exception), so Rildo being the number 2 of a forgottable arc while not being a main villain just kills his chances.

>>556515324
GT's first arc had more events going on than Daima in general, but they weren't interesting to begin with.

>>556515362
Left one is the one off-model compared to the manga.

Stop calling Vegeta a jobber please.

>>556515324
Not even fucking close

>>556515324
I don't remember a single thing that happened in GT's first arc

>>556515324
Goku vs Tamagami #3 alone mogs the entirety of GT's first arc.

>>556518076
>Goku vs Tamagami #3 alone mogs the entirety of GT*
Fixed it for you.

>>556515324
Here's your (You) and be glad I can't spit on you online

GT's first arc is just "fine" a bit boring, due to it just rehashing OG DB plots. GT also struggles with a consistent quality. Baby is great, Super 17 was bad, Shadow Dragons was lower quality with bits of greatness shining through it, and it sadly feels like it drags out a bit longer than it needed with Omega, I get what they're going for making it feel hopeless with how many times he doesn't die but still felt a bit to much.

>>556518635
>Baby is great,
SSJ4 Goku just walking around doing nothing instead of beating Baby was rage inducing.

Only reason people like GT is because people think SS4ku looks sexy, and they want to fuck shirtless Goku.

>>556519328
Pan...

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>>556519328
Something you'd like to confess, anon?

Nothing wrong about finding Goku sexy, I've seen the Anime, and his body is sculpted like a God, I'd be gay to NOT lick his abs