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Forgiveness Edition

>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/

>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/

>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/

>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.

>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.

Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlock.wiki
>Collection of useful character builds
https://deadlockmeta.com/
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
https://statlocker.gg/
https://tracklock.gg/
>Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/

Threadlocked: >>556763438
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the lesbians won
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continuing the discussion, yea graves root is honestly degenerate and most likely to get gutted
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Cookies and milk with my husband
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>>556793297
based!
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Graves being broken is one of those IQ bell curves but instead all of them think she's broken they just think different abilities of hers are broken
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>Is that a.. LINE THAT ROOTS?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO DOUBLE JUMP DASH OVER IT TO NOT GET HIT?? WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE CAN JUST ROOT ME IN PLACE EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A DELAY?? YOSHI HELP MEEEEE!!!

spirit niggers will always cry
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>>556793492
dead heads is fine, ult is fine, passive and her weapon are fine, but the root is 10000% degenerate. they should have given her something that slows and prevents movement abilities or something, paige is already obnoxious with her root
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I have queue anxiety, blud.
I can't play anymore.
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>>556793698
just play co-op, its so relaxing!
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>>556793492
I still don't really know where to place her
I think maybe doing well early on her is hard? you're just in survival mode and looking to stun people for a kill
but once she gets farm and throws millions of skulls everywhere she's a pain in the ass to stop
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no no you don't get it, my 94% pickrate 54% wr hero is actually underpowered you are just retarded.
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>>556793698
personally, i want the last two heroes to mix up my standard games even more. Rem and Graves just straight up dominate lowpiss right now and I hope one of the two can solve the problem. match making though is always random pairing
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>>556793787
correct
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>>556793623
the thing that irks me is that you can re-trigger it infinitely. got rooted? ok you're stuck for 3.5 seconds and right as it ends oops you got stunned by any of the many other cc abilities in this game looks like thats another 3.5 seconds of standing still chud sorry!
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>after midnight
>really want to queue up
>gotta work in the morning
>could just do Brool but Brool sucks 10000 cocks
worst part of my night every night is flip flopping on if I should queue this late or not
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>ranks inflated again
now the shitlow barrier is literally eternus wtf
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>>556793765
She's like Viscous in that basically every part of her kit has at least 2 seperate use cases and builds and people just haven't figured out how to blend them all together yet
She's gonna be asscancer to fight once you go up against a guy who can use her abilities to pressure you no matter where you are before she comes in for the succ
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can't wait for this carny freak

please let her do some crazy carny shit
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>>556793935
okay how about giving it a 3.6s interval but duration is increased by 5s
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>>556794027
MOBAlet here, why dont more of these games balence around lane performance and overall endgame stats? feels like there is enough stats to make a formula to filter people getting carried or the MM being turbo retarded.
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I have so much trauma for Graves wall I will freak out and jump over it/avoid it even when I'm playing AS her
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can they just nerf paige already? she's op in every rank and braidnead easy + wins lane for free
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>>556794231
Valve wants the e-girl audience, sorry
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>ulting silver uses 3 different actives to jump on me
>silence wave
>doorman cart her to my walker
lol goofy bitch
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>>556793787
undead union demands shorter work hours and higher pay
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>small, cute fluffy creature
>Sounds and acts like a child
>Dressed in a cutsey way, wearing his little sleeping hat and carrying a pillow that he hugs from time to time
>Kit is built for support
>Has a special room in the lobby accessible only to him
>Its his own hiding spot with his little fluffies hanging around (exactly the kind of shit a foid would go "Awww" over)
>The room has its own themesong

Its like this character was designed with the express purpose of getting the female audience
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>>556794389
they do it for free
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Thoughts on gun Graves build?
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>Valve could be watching one of your games.. RIGHT NOW
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>>556794390
>best way to play him is to turn blue lane into Hiroshima with pillow nukes
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>>556794319
she doesnt have to be 60% winrate, 53% would be fine. Her ult should be shield and then she can have a single horse she throws out that disarms or silences instead of stuns
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>>556794627
>he doesn't remember seeing Yoshi spectating games when you could only play this game during specific hours
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>>556794209
no idea what the deadlock rank formula actually is but usually games do factor in personal performance
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ginnis wall was already one of the best instant death abilities in the game, but it's been eclipsed by the new roots which are functionally the same thing but don't require fidgeting with map geometry
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every m1gger needs a nerf
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I'm no epstein diddy blud, but sex with Darcy Graves would be my patron wish.
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>remember anons saying that the afterburn and damage nerfs weren't enough and he would still be A-tier in december
>two months later, no changes since
>worst hero in the game
ehehehehe
you see that shit
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>use priority token
>80k miserable stomp with utter tar
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>>556794183
>nearly 8 (9+ with duration extender) seconds of root
be serious
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>>556794840
yeah but everyone's happier so it all balances out :)
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>>556793935
yeah, it is pretty retarded that it immediately triggers again if you get caught and don't (or can't) leave within a second of the root ending
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>>556794840
he should be annoying, not literally hitler
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>>556794712
shit, almost 2k hours on Steam and I genuinely forgot about it

Deleted the game a few days ago btw, you lazy normies should keep up so I don't feel like a complete nerd
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Bebop gud?
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genuinely how does someone achieve this in a 30 minute game
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>>556794816
she probably smells like rotting corpses. wtf is wrong with you?

get with a real women, not a girl.
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>Graves is no longer S tier
Alright
Time for buffs
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>>556794840
good, nobody wants infernus to be good.
he's still alright, it's just all the previously character-carried players that are still playing him are dogshit at the game and making his winrate look bad.
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extra charges should give more rem minions
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>>556795014
dying once every 3 minutes doesn't seem very hard
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can they please nerf Rem's early game helpers? that shit is disgusting and wins lane by itself
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>>556795081
Nta, but if i wanted a nasty whore, id bang vyper
Less likely to get mauled to death
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>>556795014
mental retardation
in brawl, people you get matched with look like they've never seen a computer before
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>>556794994
yes. very good, he was boosted as hell
you can still put bombs on your teammates and they oneshot pretty much anyone late game
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>venator goes 1/15/3 while everyone else has a positive k/d/a
You should be allowed to uninvite someone from the playtest
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>>556794840
>worst hero in the game
>1k damage on hit passive
>flame dash still extremely useful and damaging
>still gets 37% damage amp + anti heal + lifesteal
you niggers just got bored of playing him. he's still extremely strong but he's no longer the trending "OP" hero all the metafags love to jump on so you don't see him every game. once they get bored of whatever hero they're playing now you'll see him in every match again
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>>556795153
4000% more likely to get shanked for the 5 bucks in your pocket though
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>>556795014
i raise you this.
23 minute game.
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>>556795175
I see venators lose all the time, but never see them go negative.

weird.
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>>556795260
im starting to think they went a bit too hard on the Graves nerfs
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>>556795014
in my pisslow rank its very common for people to average less than 200 damage a minute and not even afk farm
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>>556794840
he's fine, not OP and not total shit. exactly where a simple and easy to pick up character should be.
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can I please get some funny Rem pictures
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>no one picks rem anymore
>people still pick graves
>no one picks silver anymore
>people still pick venator
So will Celeste be the flop and Apollo the sleeper hit?
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>>556795138
every rem I played against is pillowmaxxing
they won't nerf it until some retard makes a DO THIS THING vid and everyone starts abusing it
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>>556795242
Thats why you empty your pockets before, dummy
Still, getting shanked is better than having your face chewed off
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>Putting helpers on graves zombies doesn't let them shoot out the lightning blasts
wtf why
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>>556795387
Sure
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>>556795387
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>>556795014
>13k dmg
I've seen Mirage and Ivy doing 3k dmg in 30 minutes

Also I remember Yamato who died 24 times
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>Graves wall no longer roots if you walk over it multiple times
>Instead it just deals damage and slows
>People still walk over it multiple times
>They now bitch about taking a bunch of 'free' damage
Would be very very funny
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Why is Shiv a fucking chore to play?
>Always out of stamina as him
>Need Warp Stone to be able to close the distance
>Ult sometimes doesn't wanna execute even when I see them glow red
I would get more value out of playing Abrams and Billy compared to Shiv. Am I just ass as him or is Shiv just dogshit atm?
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>>556795242
>get shanked for the 5 bucks
not if you present it as an exchange, tell her you'll pay her more later
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started playing mina and I feel like I'm useless...
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>>556795521
Same here, i think shiv just kinda got powercrept bad
He needs a buff or a change
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Just let me avoid Graves already i'm tired of seeing this retard in every fucking game
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>REM WHY YOU TAKING ALLIED SINNERS GO TAKE ENEMY FARM
i already did a minute ago i cleared their entire jungle's sinners leaving their doubles and mid sinners with the creep so it doesn't respawn what do you want me to do
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>>556795613
yea shiv needs buffs

let him execute map wide
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>>556793623
You don't have to downplay it, it's the best button in her kit
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PARADOX SHOULD FREEZ TIME ON THE MAP FOR AT LEAST 8 SECONDS YOSHI DO YOU HEAR ME? LIKE THE GAME IS PAUSED BUT SHE CAN STILL MOVE
HER ULT IS FUCKING USELLES YOU STUPID DINOSAUR HEAR ME OUR, REMOVE THE TIME BOMB, MAKE HER ULT TO BE HER 1ST
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>>556795648
>their doubles and mid sinners with the creep so it doesn't respawn
wait what
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>>556795081
She doesn't smell like rotting corpses. Not as nice as Paige or Mina, but probably still fine.

Silver smells like alcohol and wet dog. That's actually yuck.
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>get the character onto the same level as everyone else
>"hurr he kinda sucks now"
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>>556793935
>Fool me once, shame on you
>Fool me twice, shame on me (you are here)
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>>556793649
I think the hate for the roots is the same kind of hate people had for original Mei when her left click froze you.
Blizzard's assessment of this was that people HATE having control taken away from them in shooters. Which is weird since no one complains about stuns in RTS style mobas.
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>>556795756
>HER ULT IS FUCKING USELLES
it's venge ult
the only problem with it is that it's slower animation-wise
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>>556795757
leaving a single creep in a camp means it doesn't respawn since it's not fully cleared
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>>556795780
this pov is my patron wish.
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>>556795803
>simply ignore any and all cc
fuuuuuuuuuuck why didn't I think of this
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>>556795847
stuns in deadlock aren't long at all, but roots are like what, 3 seconds long? usually guaranteed kill too
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>>556795886
Dispel Magic and Unstoppable exist for a reason
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>>556794816
>I'm no epstein diddy blud,
>BUT i REALLY wanna fuck this schoolgirl
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>>556795849
HER ULT IS FUCKING SHIT BEBOP CAN HOOK AND LASH CAN GRAB THE WHOLE TEAM, AND THIS STUPID PARADOX ENDS UP AMONG THE ENEMIES JUST LIKE THE ENEMY SHE SWAPPED THIS IS FUCKING RETARDED WHAT'S EVEN THE POINT YOU'RE FUCKING EVEN IT'S NOT ULTIME IT'S SHIT
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Remsisters...

https://x.com/IntelDeadlock/status/2018998428504879594?t=AEILpR_sF5hPWOnIsbfU7w&s=19
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>>556796096
venge has been consistently viable for about 15 years now
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Silver is safehorny Vyper.
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>>556795849
>problem with it is that it's slower animation-wise
they're stunned during that time and still take damage so that's not much of a trade-off
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>Playing Shiv
>Bebop grabs me
>I'm near my own fucking tower
Is he fucking retarded? Why would you grab a Shiv who wants to get close?
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I always feel like I'm doing fuck all as Graves if I'm not ahead, what am I doing wrong?
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team root:

graves
paige
talon
venator
warden
doorman

unholy lockdown team
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>step into the wall
>"damn there's a rootin' tootin' wall here, better not step into it again!"
>step into the wall again
>"aw, shucks,oh you cheat, you liar, why did it happen again? you moved it didncha, you moved that wall you basterd"
>step into the wall AGAIN
>"I HATE YOU...OH HOW I HATE YOU AND YOUR WALL, YOU LITTLE RUNT, YOU SNIVELLING BASTERD STOP THROWING YOUR WALLS AT ME! YOU MAKE ME SICK"
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>>556796153
Venge swap is also a lot better than Paradox swap.
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>>556795014
10 deaths at 30 is pretty low no?
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>want to grief game to get it over faster since i didnt get a new hero
>dont want to make it obvious since i already got low prio recently
>start typing short spanish phrases so they think im just retarded not a griefer
10000000 IQ
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>>556796153
the problem is - dotards have to click and it will work no matter what, with the fucking paradox you have to aim manually and its projectile is slow as fuck
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>>556795507
the root is the big thing honestly, it should not root you more than once per wall
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it's a "you get the retarded furry playing silver vs the metafag playing graves who knows how to land root" episode
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>>556796471
You are retarded though
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>>556796554
You should be able to shoot the ghost tombs at the ends to break it
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i have never managed to step on a graves root more than once.
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>>556796554
Why are you fighting on an enemy Graves' wall?
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>>556795521
he got overnerfed so now you need lots of items to do well on him but he still becomes a server admin if you don't kill or cc the fuck out of him mid-late, like mo and krill
because Shiv can just instant wipe your team in a fight due to chaining ult executes
just like how mo can just ult the carry for the team to focus down and dynamo can just get big black hole ults
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>>556795014
here's a 44 min game i had
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Graves wall is kino because if you get hooked by a Bebop in brawl her wall takes priority and sends you back to it lmao
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why is holiGAY called a gun character when she's more useful running in shitting out damage circles and kidnapping people
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>>556796684
90% of the time you are fighting on the wall against your will
when upgraded it's pretty fuckhuge and covers a lot of ground
people build vortex web to slam you into the wall
you get cc'd from something else, grave walls underneath you, you cant get out
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>>556793214
How does this smurf nigger get to play the same hero every game
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>>556796850
yamato is not very popular
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I wish Venator had more schmovement.
I really wanna run up to someone at one hp, shotgun blast them, and get away, but it feels like he's so clunky he just dies if he walks up too far
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How hard is it for a multi billion company to make it so that new accounts can't place higher than fucking seeker?
I just had a guy play his first match ever in fucking emissary.
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>stomped a new player so hard he said he's gonna uninstall
This is why we need an ff option. Having to play a game you have no chance of winning feels miserable.
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>>556796850
penis head
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>>556796923
>I wish Venator had more schmovement.
He has quite literally the most schmovement of any character in the cast right now because the shotgun is a FaN
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>>556796926
>guaranteeing smurfs get to rape everyone for even longer
good idea if they didnt just let smurfing go rampant but unfortunately valve is too cheap to manually ban smurfs any more
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>>556796758
Holliday is slept on right now
incredibly easy to play since bounce pads let you ignore learning movement and make you even more cracked if you do know movement
once you learn you are supposed to melee barrels in the air it becomes so easy to hit, does ludicrous damage
ult is basically mo andd krill ult but you can drag the kidnapped person around so it's a guaranteed kill if your team has a brain
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>>556796980
shiv's alt fire doesn't count?
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>>556796928
he should use that time to learn
trail by flame is how i learned in dota
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>>556796886
But you have to queue with 3 heroes right? Even if he picked 2 other popular heroes surely he would get one of them occasionaly
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>>556796980
>Explain in my post I want to use the shotgun to MURDER SOMEONE
>"hurr durr uhm why not use shotgun 4 movement?"
Wow thank you dude
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>>556796928
Having a team full of whiny bitches giving up on a winnable match seething that you don't want to surrender 10 minutes in also feels miserable.
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>>556796980
Holiday and Viscous have a more powerful movement ability that has charges
Shiv gets FaN for free
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>>556797045
you're welcome bro
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>>556796818
Sounds like you're getting ganked in those 90% of times and you'd be dead regardless of the wall as any CC would do it
And if CC is that problematic for you then buy the anti CC items
It's like complaining about M1 carries or frequently airborne enemies and refusing to buy their counter items
Play smarter, not harder
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>>556797041
>surely he would get one of them occasionaly
if you put yamato in high prio and haze/bebop in low, you'll get her 99.(9)% of the time
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>>556797134
Shiv's isn't as strong as Venator's
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>>556796923
that's venator's problem, his 1 to 3 are all situational unreliable low dmg skills and his ult is his only consistent (as consistent as your aim anyway) skill in his arsenal.
walking up to people is not something he can do because none of his non ult skills do anything outside of very specific scenarios none of which are him going on the offensive.
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>>556797041
if you put high prio on a more or less unpuopular hero and low prio on 2 whatever else heroes you get the high prio like 99% of the time
i went like 2 whole pages straight of playing ivy once and only stopped because new heroes came out
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>>556796928
Normally I'd agree but I've only played a few games and I've already seen plenty of comebacks that wouldn't have happened if people surrendered
Game's chaotic enough that you still feel like there's something you can still do even when your team's fucking up
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>>556797041
Some characters are just easy to consistently get and less in demand than youd think. I get Doorman literally every time i have him in top priority
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>it's a farming REM who uses helpers on your own sinners episode
GG
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>>556797282
Wait, is there a certain unwritten rule about which Sinners machines to go for? I just go around punching every one of them
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>>556797452
Rem doesn't really benefit much from boons so you should be using them on enemy sinners rather than your own
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>>556797452
well he's a support hero and wasting your ability to take it from your team instead of stealing the enemy's is just low iq behavior
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I take ally sinnerd if they're still up after I steal the enemies because why are they STILL there?
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>>556797452
>Denying the enemy of the permanent stat buffs and souls from their Sinner Sacrifices
That's good!
>Taking your own team's Sinner Sacrifices and sometimes not even getting the permanent stat buffs on a character who won't even use them well and isn't meant to carry
That's bad...
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>>556797452
Carrytrannies will seethe if you take sinners on your side (all while leaving guardian/walker undefended to go hit a jungle camp).
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>>556793778
Hey, I won. I got the least souls and mostly ran around the map punching boxes, but whatever.
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>>556797452
go for any unclaimed ones
retarded niggers like >>556797282 will cry about it but it's better for you to take them than letting it rot because everyone on your team is too busy staring at the floor or worse, risk letting your opponents take them
if they want the sinners so bad then they should be there faster
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>>556797282
>It's a 0/9/1 rem that dies 5 times in lane despite literally having an ability that auto pushes it and a teleport disjoint that heals him plus 3 stamina
I've gotten 7 of these this weekend alone while the enemy rem always single handedly carries

I'm at the point where I'm gonna start locking rem myself
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I always take ally sinners on dynamo. M1ggers should be busy farming their wave.
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>>556797760
dynamo actually benefits from getting refresher asap

rem has basically no powerspikes
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>>556797282
it is only right that i should take your farm, for none among you have the map awareness to stop me
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>Silver has a below 42% winrate in most brackets
>even in fucking eternus (most people here are not eternus so this shouldn't be relevant anyway), her winrate is well below average at 46%
>this means she is statistically complete and utter absolute fucking garbage if you are below pro level
>and even if you are pro level, she is still absolute fucking garbage and you have a negative win probability just by having her on your team
>people STILL try to upplay her because they eked out a win on her once
Explain yourselves.
It can't be waifufaggotry, because if she was your waifu you would want her to be able to excel. So what's going on here?
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Haze works for the IRS
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Start playing Abrams.
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>>556797886
I have won 6 in a row on silver, she's strong.
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>>556797942
not until he buys a fucking razor, that stache is not it and never has been
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So I'm reading up on diagonal air dashing bullshit
My understanding is that it takes advantage of the fact that your dash speed is only capped in the direction of your original momentum
Given this, is it mainly used for moving around corners/turning faster?
Like, if you got the angle absolutely perfect you might be able to move in a straight line faster technically, but it'd require setting your initial motion up to be slightly at an angle, so it'd sort of cancel out
Am I understanding this right?
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>>556797862
>rem has basically no powerspikes
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which skill rating do you need to be to get teammates that actually do sinners?
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>rem trying to steal my sinners
>shoot the soul orbs that come out
>he comes back to stop me from stealing them
>block the soul orb with my body so he can't secure and keep stealing them
>get the last hit because my teammate shows up and we push him away
>both of us kill him after
feels good man
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>>556797993
>taking corners faster while in air
make sure you have strong air strafing fundamentals before adding dashes
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>Doorman on my team
>Doesn't cart anyone
>Grabs fucking tesla bullets
>Doesnt bell anyone
>Most useless doors I've ever seen, doesn't even try a flank cart or anything
>Never ults their bebop or anyone during a team fight once
>Spams pings at the end in anger
What makes creatures like this?
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>>556797862
I play gun dinamo thoughbeit.
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>>556793214
Quick, give one good reason why tower's should remain pathetic, worthless and unable to harm any enemy that dives underneath them.
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>>556797886
There is nothing to explain. She is bad.
She is good at one thing: being a midgame frontliner. She fails at literally anything else. You pick her when you want to be useful for exactly ten minutes (assuming you are even or you have a lead. If you are even a little behind you lose)
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Alt fires seem like a mistake honestly.

Viscous and Yamato players only use their alt fires to finish off their mag pretty much. Shiv is probably the only one who might consistently use his alt fire.
Bebop is probably the only hero with an actually interesting "alt fire" mechanically since shivs shmoovement from alt firing has been nerfed constantly.
Like there's really no reason to use them on viscous or Yamato since the nerfs. They're not really good for flushing people out of cover or anything with their tiny ass aoes
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>>556798029
>did literally nothing
okay rem players you have something wrong with you
FACT
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Is deadlock a good game for grinding hate comments on your profile or should I stick to the hell that is dead by daylight? Also who're the best characters to make everyone else miserable
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>>556798119
kill yourself NOW
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>>556798130
Explain to me why I should
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>>556797886
I don't really have too many feelings on balance, I just like playing her in Brawl. I think my two complaints for her are being a 2 stamina hero is fuckin stupid, and that spirit doesn't do enough for her - she should have some random scaling on it like Vyper/Venator.
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>>556793214
I only started playing again today and Im already tired of rem
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>>556798205
If you have to ask you should stick to dbd, you'll tilt out and be stuck in initiate forever
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I think Graves should have an alt fire so she can have something to do against things at range
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>>556798151
ive taken alt fire off most my heroes and slaped melee as right click
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>>556798287
Because I'll reward you with a sloppy makeout session.
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>>556798374
Grp55
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>>556798367
I think Graves should be removed from the game so she can go to hell and stay there
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I just checked the popular Dynamo builds and it's no fucking wonder they're so useless in my games, these dipshits are going all in on stomp damage without a single utility or positioning item in the main categories, your character has ONE fucking job, just buy the items that let you do that one job and then you can sprinkle in whatever bullshit you want.
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Out of all the characters getting added, Rem was clearly the developers favorite
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>>556798367
bro your 2 which is what makes her s tier?!
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>>556798367
This. And give her a movement ability as well
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>>556798468
She's no longer S tier
Only A
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>>556797942
Do you think Ixians can use their tails as dildos?
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>>556798130
Tower dives are fun. You should stop playing like a passive bitch in the future, seeker-kun.
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>>556798459
I feel like dynamo has the most obvious item build path. Cooldown reduction, duration, range, refresher, unstoppable, an initiation item like warp stone. That right there accounts for like 11 item slots so I don't see why everyone isn't building him exactly the same.
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>>556798367
>graves gets a chargeable railgun on alt fire with 50% lifesteal
>starts raping even harder
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Darcy Graves has sloppy makeout sessions with horse rears.
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>>556797685
come take sinners on rem in eternus I guarantee you all 5 players will call you a retarded faggot
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>>556794390
mmm yes because it's not like valve doesn't have decades of precedence of them hiding things in their games or anything or just video games in general...
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>>556793214
>friend doesn't get invite notification
>doesn't have playtest invite in their Steam account area under "https://store.steampowered.com/account/playtestinvites" either
>are under "invite pending" section on my invites page
>if I go on my alt they are under "can be invited"
>if I try to invite them it says "Unable to submit: This player already has access to Deadlock"
>if I look at Deadlock page it says "friends who already play Deadlock" and they are not included in that list
why is the invite system so bugged?
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>>556798725
Just let them know your macro game is superior to theirs. All you have to do is tell them the sooner you take it, the sooner it respawns, it's all about efficiency
Then immediately take it when it respawns as well
THANK YOU!!!!!
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>>556798465
>Icefrog: They took my teemo but they wont overthrow my Rem

ICEFROG IS INSANE
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>>556798689
Can't be better than her her current M1 so it'd have to be something that's useful but not good
A charging and relatively slow projectile makes sense, maybe have it take up 10 ammo per shot, and give it a small AoE at point of impact
Enough to hit multiple creeps only if they're practically touching
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>>556798845
portal was very popular with women, anon
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STOP GIVING ME SILVER PLAYERS ON MY TEAM
PLEASE FUCKIONG STOP I CANT HANDLPE IT ANYMORE
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>>556798689
>>556798367
Graves' Alt Fire should be piloting the Lich Hand like a GT Owl, up to about 40m. Slow, does light melee damage, can be parried like Viscous puddle. Fairly useless in a real fight, but unique and fun.
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>>556798029
>stacked teams with 40k souls difference
also your webm showed nothing?
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>>556798961
I THOUGHT I HAD THIS UNDER CONTR-ACK!
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Mo and Krill's alt fire should be Krill hopping off Mo's back to wipe the sweat from Mo's huge ass which heals him 10hp and the animation takes like 20 seconds.
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Darcys' alt fire should be a wet sloppy kiss.
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>>556798367
>>556798689
Glad you guys are NOT in any sort of devs because alt fire is lowest form of iq takes
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how much of the playerbase is in each rank? I'm kinda curious but cant find it
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>>556794209
cant speak for dodo but it took riot like 10 years to become confident enough in their data to actually make a performance-based rank reward system. no idea if its actually that tough to make a decent one or what tho
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>>556798878
How long have they been waiting? You can message Yoshi on the discord and he’ll sort it out
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>>556799136
everyone is e6. everyone.
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>>556799050
>-ACK!
>*cough cough*
>sorry, furball. anyway, like i was saying
>AWOOOOOOOOO
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>>556798976
>Get rooted and brought low by Graves' lane
>Barely manage to escape around the corner of a building
>Think you're in the clear
>Look behind you to check
>The nefarious Lich hand
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ok, I have 300 hours in this game and I still don't know how to play the game.
I'm stuck at Archon right now unable to rank up.
I keep getting killed by enemies too fast, and I can't seems to kill the enemies.
And no items I buy can help me fight them either.
Even if I buy defensive items, like bullet / spirit resistance, I still die way too fast.
And the only way for me to be able to fight the enemies are simply having more souls than them, like >10k,
or to have a team like Dynamo jumping in and ult the enemies so we can kill them off.

I simply have no idea what I'm doing wrong, and how to play the game correctly.
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>>556799086
I get yoshi in my DMs regularly. I'm gonna suggest to him that my queen gets an alt fire rail gun.
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>>556799086
Jokes on you I am a dev for a different game that sucks
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>>556795780
pov: mina is choking on my 4 inch hog.
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Is there a reason Shivs like to punch so much? I have him in my roster but I never use his heavy melee and I'm starting to think I'm doing something wrong.
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Alt fires are a good idea
It gives them the flexibility for when they finally add a wacky gun

Like say have a really short ranged but strong gun
But have the alt fire be a weak pea shooter for soul orb confirmation
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>>556797236
his 1 is actually great for harassing at range, but the base radius is horrendous. and then if you want to get use out of his shotgun for heavy melee, but you also need duration extender. so the problem is that his HP gain sucks for an up close fighter and his grenades need investment in a purple flex slot
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>>556799242
NOOOOOOOOOO
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>>556798562
Now why would you ask that? Yes, for their partners not for themselves
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now ALT MELEES
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>>556799086
Nah
Alt fires are the highest form of iq takes
They're pure kino and way more interesting than a useless zoom feature
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>>556795847
they absolutely do complain about them in RTS style mobas wtf are you on about

getting giga-CC'd repeatedly in a competitive game is unbearable cancer all the time
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>>556798287
Don't work that way. I asked first. You have to answer.
>>556798616
Just take the tower instead of being a greedy bitch then.
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>>556796471
Had like 3 teammates start being racist against my faux spanish
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>>556799230
Im becoming a gravesfag myself. i have so much fun on her which is weird because i usually play m1 grug type of stuff. My only complaint is I wish her skeletons looked a bit better. they look lame as hell right now.
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>>556799518
God I hate spanish "people" and their fucking "jajaja" Looks retarded as fuck
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>>556798976
>should be piloting the Lich Hand
>press m2
>hand jumps out of your hands and starts crawling towards the nearest enemy silencing and disarming them consuming 10 ammo per second
>graves cannot use abilities and only has melee for damage while it's gone
really hated these things in Blood
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>>556799639
damn it works here too that's some nifty tech
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>>556799413
Let's go even further
Melee mode for all heroes
Abilities are replaced with light, medium, and heavy attacks
Ults remain but they charge up with damage instead of being cooldown based
You can also do inputs to get unique attacks depending on if you're grounded, airborne, dashing, sliding, etc
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buy the bkb chuddy
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>>556799639
seething gringo
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>>556794816
>>556796072
>when you fight like a demon with your life on the line and you successfully complete the ritual and your ULTIMATE WISH, to be granted by an eldritch god beyond our comprehension given corporeal form in our plane of existence at full power for the first time in history, is to lick the smelly pussy and asshole and armpits and feet and maybe french kiss a little the fellow ritualist and 15 year old goth girl
I bet that would throw the Hidden King for a loop
for sure the most powerful diddyblud in history
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I'm glad Abrams is so simple making him too "boring" for most people so I can continue getting free wins and raping graves in lane
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>Rem comes up to your lane
>Enhances 2 of your troopers
>Goes back to the sewers
Thank You!
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>>556799669
yep all it takes is some jajaja and maybe an El pindejo
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>>556798205
People only comment on your profile in most games if you're good enough to make them think you're cheating/smurfing. Except Tekken for some reason where I was promised hatemail but instead everybody sent me ggs and bowed in respect before my honest Armor King gameplay.
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>>556799669
>>556799862
Eh, I don't care about anything else to be honest. They can speak their own language all they want. Just spell english words correct.
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>>556799780
>presses F
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>>556798205
I only get support sisters leaving a good review after I carry, not even kidding
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>>556797260
I think the problem is yes the game is winnable if you play it out but by that point you're playing out a 40+ minute game
You win, but it didn't feel good, just tiring
That's the primary issue of not having an FF button. Sometimes it's best just to go next so you can actually have a game where you're having fun instead of being forced to play out a long game for a CHANCE at coming back
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>>556800086
>but by that point you're playing out a 40+ minute game
>You win, but it didn't feel good, just tiring
Go play a game you actually like if a close match is 'tiring' to you.
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>>556799759
Would the Archmother grant that wish? I think she'd have a woman moment and be more willing to grant warden his wish than mine.
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>>556800086
>>556800243
Actually you're both retards
The correct answer is that extremely long matches are both fun AND tiring
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>Playing Graves
>Late game mid boss mosh pit fight's about to start
>Skulls
>Wall
>Echo
>Wall
>Tombstone
>Refresher
>Skulls
>Wall
>Tombstone
I love this game
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Wish there was fanart of Venator reading the Bible to Rem
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>>556800480
most fanartists are the type to see the bible as problematic and icky so drawing a cute wholesome scene with it would be offputting to them
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>>556799669
kek
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>>556797886
people eho upplay silver are people who don't like fighting her/hate her as a character so she gets nerfed or are people who fought her on release and got shit on by her wolf because she's new and they dont know how to fight her
she's honestly just a shitty selfish carry. She offers no CC outside of her very short range disarm that is ONLY in ult (and just a worse kril disarm) and her very short duration bola
Her ult gets hard fucked by CC that it's not even funny. If you're getting chain cc'd you have to build unstoppable and even then she can still get kited/wait out the unstoppable duration
you want a melee tanky character? play abrams or billy, you want a hypercarry? play drifter or anyone else
they need to make it easier to get into ult a the game goes on, making it harder is incredibly retarded now that they nerfed wolf early
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>>556797886
People who upplay Silver don't actually play her but get run over by her werewolf form
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>load in
>can tell who is going to win based solely off hero choice
what do you do for the next 33 minutes?
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>>556800551
A shame
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VOTES ARE IN, CELESTE WON BY A LAND SLIDE. WRAP IT UP
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i am in oracle 2 in the players still feel like total shitters
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>>556800627
>>556800639

you don't up-play waifu characters. she will continue to get nerfed and downplayers will shit their pants over it
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>>556797886
i cant imagine waifuing something as bland and fetish-tropey as silver
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When do you stop prioritizing sinners in mid-late? I feel like my time is almost better spent farming lane creeps or something than smacking a sinner's
is it basically just farm and push lanes and then do sinners/clear jungle on the way back?
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>>556800679
gun paige duh
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>>556800627
>She offers no CC outside of her very short range disarm that is ONLY in ult (and just a worse kril disarm) and her very short duration bola
anon her boot kick is a fling in any direction you want if you turn your camera
all Silvers should be doing this and if they aren't they're trash
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>>556800679
Play the game
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which hero needs buffs the most and why is it haze? she's basically useless this patch. deals no damage
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>>556800551
Have Rem say he wants to read comics instead
Now you can have fags interpret it as anti-religion or whatever
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seeing a lot of graves itt. thats good, this is a gravesGOD general
Victor is cool too
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>>556800779
I do it, it's really not good and easy to mess up, half the time I just use 2 to escape rather than offensively
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Whats the reason to turn your camera? also i got stuck trying to do it.
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I just made it to ascendant and I hate it here.
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>>556800804
I agree, I'm new and tried Haze in a bot match and even with a ton of items her damage feels very low and her kit is basically non-existent. Like she has her sleep dagger and that's it, you're living around that, unless her ult is up but her ult isn't that insane, like comparatively Reaper's ult which is the same shit is 100x more devastating when it goes off.
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I JUST FOUND OUT REM LITTLE HELPERS CAN BUFF TROOPERS WITH THE HEALING TEMPO MOVESPEED + ATTACK RATE BUFF

I am going to fucking TERRORIZE low rank with this, about to push three lanes at once by myself
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i remember some leaker faggot saying that these new heroes were going to be mechanically much more difficult than the previous 6
>graves and rem play the game for you
>venator might as well be a risk of rain 2 character
>silver is boring
what a load of shit
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Hotpoo releases a Risk of Rain mode in Deadlock

Who do you main?
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Man, I wish Street Brawl would give my an Ult ginnis build with Seraphim Wings. I wanna be a fucking AC-130
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>>556800779
boot kick is good but it's a displace and not hard CC like abrams shoulder charge and ult, billy literally everything, etc.
or even bebop hook (but nothing is better than bebop hook desu)
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>>556801050
haze ult is for killing exactly 1 person, no more
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>>556800804
This but Vindicta and unironically.
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>>556801025
When you kick them, they fly in the direction your camera's facing while you rebound the other way
You can latch on with your kick, quickly turn your camera 180, and send the kick target back into your team while pushing yourself forward
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>>556801067
Viscous, victor, Infernus
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>>556793649
The worst thing about the root is that it can hit you multiple times
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>>556800739
I don't care if people waifu her, Silver is really fun to play, even if she's on the weaker side now, that's the only think that matters to me.
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>>556801045
they have base line competency but in return are huge losers with fragile egos and usually not employed
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>>556801067
Venator will be kino.
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>>556801067
Would actually be amazing if they did it as a separate game so Deadlock didn't get bloated file size-wise for people who just want to play normal games
They're planning to rework the jungle so the camps are more varied, right? Until then, we don't really have any references for what the enemies in a Deadlock-themed RoR would look like
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>>556801067
Silver actually because Im sure if there was a roguelike mode she'd have some infinite ult build
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>>556801062
mechanically different, not more difficult. only apollo was pointed out as the high skillcap hero, possibly celeste
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>>556801197
I nean technically the walker can already be a proper boss in agame mode like thag
Just make it actually walk around
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>>556801067
McGinnis t. Engineer player
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>>556801025
You 2, then before you connect/kick off you turn your camera in the direction you want them to get kicked. If you 180 as you connect, when you kick off they'll be kicked behind where you started from. If you just 2 them, you just kick them away (which is counterproductive if say, your team is chasing them). If you start at 6, and kick them at 12 without turning, they'll be kicked in the direction of 12. If you start at 6 and kick them at 12, but turn Silver to face 6 as she kicks, they'll be kicked in the direction of 6. If you look straight down you'll also simply kick them in place and fly upwards instead of either of you going anywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6s_1di67v_0
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>>556800895
Based. I was a frankchad before Darcy Graves came into my life and crawled into my heart.
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WHO NAMES THEIR DAUGHTER DARCY

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>556801303
Yeah but we basically only have
>Sinner
>Guardian golem
>Walkers
>Midboss
>Hidden King and Archmother
as potential NPC enemies and you need a lot of them to make a RoR tick. Also if there are multiple level environments like RoR, Guardian Golems and Walkers would 100% be associated with a certain level because of their "big enchanted terracotta mob" theme
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I did my best, Apollo bros. Probably won't be able to play again before votes are counted

>>556801303
That would literally just be a cucked version of RoR's Clay Dunestrider so I guess so.
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>>556801192
It's like going to a gay bar as a straight man. I miss the based chuds back in oracle/archon.
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>>556801197
>Overloading
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>team with lash wins
Very fun is this hero ever not gonna be the forced 54% winrate bullshit pick across all ranks?
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This RoR talk really makes me hope tbey do a proper jungle with actual mobile mobs than fucking stationary turrets.
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>>556799759
>Summon the Hidden King, Anon, and all your wishes of hanky panky with the gothic school girl will be granted. Your peers may call you diddy blud, but with us you are a Diddy King
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>>556801497
nigga what
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The best thing about being a higher mmr is running into the same people who comms reported you which allows you to soft throw their game.
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THE ICEFROG EMAILS HAVE BEEN RELEASED TALKING WITH HOPOO

>IF: ayo wassup, heard ya workin at gearbox now. what's up with that? hmu
>HP:uh hi i didnt think anyone at valve would look at my direction. are you looking for someone like me? if so, i would happily oblige
>IF: ay yo its coo homie, we actually cookin something up for awhile dawg and i think you would be great for it. got mad hours in ror and ror2, great stuff man. ya just pull up, we gotch u
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Has anyone done anything... interesting with Graves model?
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>>556799759
>DESTROY THE ARCHGRANNY FOR ME, AND I SHALL GRANT YOU YOUR ISLAND
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>>556801559
just buy counterspell LOL
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>>556801067
they better do this and im not even a pve guy, but it would just be a shame not to put something like this in deadlock, running through new york blasting shit like in RoR would be awesome
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>>556802134
like slapping a dick onto it?
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>>556801398
Are there any FUN builds for Victor you would recommend
I've played 8 games on him and won 7 but it was all after reading a guide and the loop of
>Be a coward in lane to avoid falling behind
>Braindead farm all midgame
>Get core items and go rape whenever your ult is up
felt really boring
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>>556802316
holding W is his best build
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>>556801067
Would be absolutely fun. Good chance for them to add new lore, story bits, enemies etc.
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>>556801067
anything to get him off the hero design (he is garbage)
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>>556802316
Thats sorta his whole thing. However midgame you can absolutely fight with stuff like spirit lifesteal, torment pulse and Ballistic. Its situational but with his core midgame items he can do work
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Is building Ivy for max Kudzu + Flask bad?
I'm not a big gun guy.
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I am a Graves who wants to know how to be a better laner...
I hate making my team upset...
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>>556802692
Buy a vortex web and an echo shard and it'll be fine
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what's the point of crouching in this game
what so you can play rem like it's a stealth game?
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>>556800779
There is no better feeling than swooping in to boot kick someone into a Venator trap/Graves wall and then double team the poor fuck.
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>>556802958
Your footsteps are silent while crouch walking
You can use it to help juke in some extremely niche circumstances
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The Seven is her duo.
A tale as old as time.
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>>556802252
Damn... So that's how the big E made all his money, summoning a patron...
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I love Venator's traps brehs

Setting them on off angles is so kino
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>>556801559
can't imagine how low rank you have to be to make this post
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>>556802269
this is an insanely gross image for so many reasons. i forget how shit the tastes of /vg/ posters is at times.
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>>556798029
Thank you for proving his point.
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>Celeste's leaked default builds have a ton of stamina and movement shit

What is Valve cooking?
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>>556803240
another 2 stamina woman
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How do I make it so holding space lets me latch onto a zipline
It won't let me bind space
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>>556802134
Make her completely naked? Yeah. It's on the 'lab.
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>>556803240
she's a whorse
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been busy with work and haven't played since graves was released. who are /we/ supposed to be voting for? apollo or celeste?
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>>556803110
chudna would never do this
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>>556802958
Dodging headshots and hiding behind cover, but mainly crouch is just used for sliding
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>>556803279
She has 4 stam thoughbeit
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>>556803240
>>556803308
Celeste is a leaky whorse
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>>556803240
As a completely baseless guess: her 3 is a passive that grants stacking buffs for stamina used recently, while her other skills get bonus damage for velocity when cast.
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>>556803376
apollo to make the yuri trannies mad
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>>556795081
>she probably smells
Thats the best part
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>Y'all tryna silence me but, bad news, da truth doesn't make noise, baby
First of all is Billy supposed to be black
Second of all wtf does this even mean?
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>>556803376
Apollo. C*leste is going to be another warden tier kitbash snooze fest.
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ff mechanic PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE
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>>556803578
hes a punk wigger from the future
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>>556803578
Billy is white. Look at his hands.
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Starting to get really good at Pocket. The funny thing is it isn't making me any less horny for Mina. If anything, the more I become Pocketpilled, the more I want to plap her and put Fairfax heirs in her belly. Does this imply that lore-wise Pocket does like her?
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>>556803578
Billy is a legit mouthbreather

Hes friends with Vyper for fucks sake
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>>556803620
I would like one for when its truly a disaster game but the existence of an FF function encourages the most repulsive and unbearable mentalities/people.
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I dont understand why Celeste is desperate hiding her identity as a unicorn when Deadlock is already filled with weird shit
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>>556803770
She fears unicorn fuckers (me)
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>>556803682
it means youre a dumb annoying coomer and mina was made for your ilk, so naturally you are drawn to her like flies on shit, or indians on AI chatbots.
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>>556803770
It's kind of a thing for unicorns to be hunted and kept in captivity
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>>556803846
>Straight man likes attractive woman
>You immediately think of flies and jeets
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>>556802106
yo dawg fr? when homie gonna bring earthshaker to deadlock yo
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>>556803770
In like 99% of fantasy settings unicorn horns can be used to make magic potions or whatever so they get hunted, look at irl where we made them extinct for pseudomedicine
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>>556803578
https://youtu.be/vwSRqaZGsPw
Billy is this song on repeat. And maybe a bit of Jimi Hendrix on the side.
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>>556803908
Liking something is one thing
being a braindead coomer writing retarded blogposts about how you wanna fuck mina is another

that behavior is spiritually indian, so naturally it triggers a comparable level of disgust
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>lane partner constantly killing troopers out of range
>we have no lane prio
>we can't collect the souls on the ground
how do I respond without calling him a fucking retard and making him run it down?
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>>556803960
>we
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>>556803960
>>556803893
>>556803770

Because the joke is that despite the occult existing in the game Unicorns are STILL stupidly fucking rare to the point that people think they're just myth.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttraLFwMNl0

CELESTE WAS STABBED BY SHIV
IT'S
WHOREIBLE
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>>556803770
Chinese people
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>>556803961
we almost lost detroit is a great song
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when are WE getting the jakiro clone dragon bro
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>>556804178
This but Winter Wyvern.
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>>556804178
This but Techies.
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when is the invoker clone
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when are WE getting a hero with a tracer-like skill set and ceiling in deadlock?
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JUST FUCKING ADD LARGO AND DARK WILLOW ALREADY
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>>556804094
>dresses like an absolute goober
>runs around shanking up white women
>is a violent criminal
Is Shiv black gang member from the UK?
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>>556803110
Graves ult should have been Pugna sentry, and her tomb should have been her second, skulls are fine, her drain should be hp instead of resistance and damage
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>Climb to Ascendant
>Can't find games anymore
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>>556804257
die

>>556804328
who?
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>>556804436
>and her tomb should have been her second
Kill yourself.
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>>556804439
all the streamers are watching the super bowl then passing out.
try again tomorrow night then they can use you for content telling their chat how bad you are!
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>>556803960
The misdeeds of the chinese do not represent me
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>>556804439
if you think thats bad i have a screenshot of 18 minutes
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considering all of the discussion ITT it feels like a good time to ask for a good graves build.

coomers only please, i only trust degenerates here
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>>556804457
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>>556804521
>t.peruvian who gets farmed by undying because he can't kill the tomb
retard
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>>556804651
I want to get fucked up drunk with Silver, start fooling around with her, sloppy makeout session and wandering hands, pouncing on me forcefully with mouth agape hungry for tongue filled kisses and swapping mouth flavors, pushing me on to my back with suppressed monstrous strength, then she unbuckles her jeans that hug her ass so tightly and shapely and drops them and her panties in one go and spins on her knees to kneel over me reverse cowgirl. I want her to plant her smelly hairy pussy on my mouth, kneel and plant, plant her sweaty dark rouge colored asshole ringed with the faintest silver hairs on my nose to tickle it and let me huff her sickly sweet feminine musk, and wiggle around for her own pleasure until her whole body shakes and she gushes down my throat and her juices run down my chin like I bit into an overripe fruit. While I do my best impression of her in wolf form drinking from a dog bowl, but with her overflowing grool dripping pussy ("schlorp schlorp schlorp"). I'm so hard thinking about it the tip of my cock is burning with hyper sensitivity and a desperate fiery need. If she actually did this she wouldn't even have to touch it, the moment I felt the proof of her arousal flood into my throat it'd spasm and throb enough on its own that my balls would go taut and I'd blast ropes up over and past my own chest hard enough to hit myself in the face; except I'd paint her tight washboard abs instead, because my face would be occupied.
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I made Rem fanart do you guys like it
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>>556804827
Sex im afraid
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witchmail tank bebop is legitamently the most fun shit in this game, you are just near unkillable and just chain hook the fuck out of some poor bastard
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>>556804651
Duration Extender so you can have sex with her longer
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>>556804827
looks great gj anon !
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>>556804827
lmao big balls and a tiny dick
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>>556804827
the dick wasn't necessary
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>>556804827
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>>556805079
no it was
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>>556804827
Really nice, thank you. I wish you'd made his pillow a bit poofier, it looks uncomfortable that way.
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>>556804827
built for being fondled by thicc (futa) mommies
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>>556804954
>chain hook
dont forget shitting out a hundred bombs every fight and getting fat stacks out of it
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>Someone pauses frame 1 of game start to make people think they crashed
fucking stop it
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>>556804827
weird as fuck to add the genitals, why are artists all fruity ass cretins
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Buff Haze. Play Haze. Lick Haze's pitch black smokey pussy that leaves a puddle of pussy juice under her ass cheeks the same color as Coca Cola.
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>>556805237
this dude feels threatened by tiny bird dick
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WHERE IS THE HERO THAT HAS A GRAPPLING HOOK THAT CAN LATCH ANYWHERE
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>>556805308
>Hero with only one stamina bar, but can swing around the map like Spiderman or those guys from Attack On Titan
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>>556804439
>Climb to Ascendant
Inflated shitlow rank im afraid
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>>556805308
play testers kept swining into towers and feeding 0-20 in 10 mins, sorry
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>>556805207
yea you dont even need to get stacks early, you just need to hit witchmail and max 2
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what if deadlock had a hero like enchantress who doesn't understand that she's killing people
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I dont give a fuck about the meme but Slork was a fun lurk hero
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>>556805062
imagine how much pre he leaks...
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I know bringing it up is passé but I can't help but think some TF2 characters would be fun to play in Deadlock
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>>556805432
meant max 1
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>>556805550
Solider mostly
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I dont like any current billy builds so I tried to make a build for the first time, since its neet hours whats redundant/missing? How do I make this bonk build even bonkier, Im finding it hard to put in mystic burst/tankbuster in. im a retarded pisslow so be nice
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>>556805550
caber demo with turning tide would be fun as fuck
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>>556805550
medic already has an ult
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>>556804954
>>556805207
>>556805432
If you're saving for a 6400 green buy early you're kind of gimping yourself though
Honestly Witchmail is just busted in general. It's even better on characters like Abrams where an ability is entirely passive so there are only 3 potential candidates for it to randomly reduce the cooldown of. Abrams with Witchmail for example can have his S1 active almost permanently
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>>556805550
Deadlock niggas would be fun to play in some tf2(and overwatch and marvel rivals etc) modes too ngl
Payload is a classic for a reason
You would need to remove the MOBA elements sadly
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>>556805550
>>556805667
What I want is a 12v12 party mode for Deadlock, imagine how big of a clusterfuck it would be?
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>>556805618
yea im not doing that im playing jonas' tank bop which is a whole build but i just prioritize farm
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I've had it. No more grinding team games, I can't do it. The games are fucking horrible across all team games that aren't shooters, because nobody on the fucking Earth seems to know anything but "kill", or "farm".

I just lost an hour-long game that we should have won. Every time we won a fight, and I had to hard push a lane because people would rather fucking jungle or run ALLLLL the way across the map to help in a fight they didn't need to. And then instead of just pushing their base with 2 or 3 lanes, they're all lumped in one. They get kills, somehow don't get an objective (see farming retards eating jugnle camps intead of hitting the objective) overstay and get wiped after the enemy respawns.

Maybe it was me. I should have been there instead of trusting them to not fuck it up. And my Rem has the unimitaged GALL to be proud of jungling to almost 100k instead of just pushing lanes. I'm so goddamn assblasted right now.
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Let's see what this dick can do
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>>556805589
soldier would be the first deadlock character to have a explosive projectile m1
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>>556805608
We still lack a Demoman/Junkrat/Squirrel Girl indirect fire grenade launcher M1 archetype in Deadlock btw
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>>556805592
did you just randomly add 80% of the shop and called it a build?
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>>556805708
>4V4 lanes
>The moment Vindicta or Grey Talon even try to fly they get shot down by an integrated anti-air defense matrix
>Midboss fights are incomprehensible bursts of colors smeared on your screen
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>>556805259
do underlord next
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>>556805592
>"Sustain for Midgame"
>Look inside
>No sustain
Sugoi
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>>556805834
I try and add relevant items to avoid searching, but im not really being slotlocked
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Bruh
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>>556805708
a 24 player deadlock would be kino because it means splitpush niggers like graves and rem get cucked hard
>oh you used your abilities to npc push yellow?
>we only need to send 1/12 of our team to clear it instead of 1/6
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LOLIPUGNA
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>>556805592
I cant tell if this is a shitpost
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Deadlock character backgrounds are all so obnoxiously vague. DoTA wasn't great but at least it felt like you knew what was going on with them

>Abrams doesn't know where his book came from
>Paige doesn't know what happened to her brother
>Pocket doesn't know who tried to kill him
>Kelvin doesn't know what happened on his expedition
>Victor doesn't know who made him
>Holliday doesn't know where Itachi Uchiha went
>Nobody knows anything about da dwifter
>Rem doesn't know how to get home
>Grey Talon doesn't know who killed his family

I'm sure I'm missing some
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>>556805928
>Only 15k healing
Take the purplepill and build range extender, duration extender, cooldown, witchmail on him and heal your whole hp bar 3 times over in every teamfight
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>>556804827
Are you perhaps a furry anon
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>>556805990
We're going to end up like League of Legends where the devs started off just throwing bullshit archetypes and random meme lore at the wall
10 years later when the game is big and profitable they'll try a Grand Unified Lore Universe Rewrite[TM] that ends up a clusterfuck and is abandoned out of embarrassment halfway through
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>>556805990
Vagueposting is good
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>>556805990
>>556806069
>>556806071
they cant even decide which decade the game is set in
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>>556805990
yeah but lash IS an asshole
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>>556805990
>players don't know how to play the game
typical valve writing
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I fucking love Rem
I love his absurd map control, I love tunnels and tagalong letting me make ridiculous escapes, I love juicing active items to make them even stronger, I love having an ult that's almost as impactful as Dynamo's with a less agonizing cooldown, I love pillows breaking momentum and securing kills, I love pushing lanes and farming and teamfighting at the same time, I love the erratic animations and constant flipping to make headshots even harder, I love killing people because they don't expect the torment pulse damage while trying to fight my teammate, I love his cute banter with other heroes (especially Graves and Seven), I love his huggable design, I love how every match feels fresh because so much of what he does adapts to his team's playstyle
I really really like playing Rem
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>>556805980
assume it isnt, whats wrong about it. All the top builds feel too hybrid with no direction for my liking
>>556805902
I havent annotated it yet
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>>556805912
half those items will never be relevant to billy, and you overlap objectively inferior solutions with core items, like why would need radiant regeneration with lifestrike? because RR technically synergizes with torment pulse? it's especially irrelevant if you go Leech anyway. that's just one of many examples
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>>556805550
Spy would be hilarious, I dont even know how you would balance his instakill in a MOBA
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>>556806242
look Im going to be honest, if this build was a structure it would be blown to bits and built from scratch, its so fundamentally wrong theres no point in critiquing it, it looks like you added half the shop at random
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>>556805990
>read Holliday's background
kek, it really is itachi
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>>556806318
make it a threshold like shiv ult
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>>556805458
I leak more than that and need a AGP Mina discord girlfriend to give me jerk off instruction and edges.
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>>556806274
thank you, I just wanted to see how well RR fared after the recent changes. so take out RR and MR and replace it with mystic burst and tank buster?
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>>556805990
pocket knows who tried to kill him, he even talks shit when he kills calico
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I miss inhouses without the discordfags
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his brother Terrorlash who is NOT an asshole when?
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>>556806416
you need ira domini to the roof of your mouth buddy
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>>556806335
whats a good soul count to build a build around outside of victor?
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why can't i see who paused anymore
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hmmm today i will play tank mina
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>>556806512
are you fucking with me
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mod to upscale Lash's eyelashes so they're arm-length
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Valve NEEDS to release their own arcane to coincide with the official game release
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Add Frank and make him like the classic Frankenstein movie monster and he's the one that made Victor. The story could be that he was making a wife but accidently added a dick so he got mad and left.
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herald reviews when?
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>>556806694
they already copied league enough might as well just 1:1 it
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vote APOLLO
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>>556806562
no, whats a good soul count goal to have a build go online. 25k? 30k? 35k?
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>>556806694
I'd rather have something similar to Meet the Team
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what do you call the little rooms that have a spooky ghost man and an obscuring wall to hide behind?
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All the new heroes are too pretty we need more uglycute schrimblos like Ivy and Rem
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>>556806694
Deadlock "lore" is literally just two characters talking about either 1) going to a bar or 2) how they want to kill the each other.
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>>556806694
I JUST want them to make a 'meet the x" series again PLEASE ice fraud
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>>556806815
closets
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>>556806818
Sovl...
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How do you build Silver?
It feels like you need to spend a lot of souls just for her to start functioning
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HOW TO PLAY
First time
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>>556806709
how do you accidentally add a dick
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You lookin' for the troubadour?
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Is there a hero here that goes "ARAARAAAAGGH" and then makes the situation worse for everyone in the fight, including his own team?
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>>556805864
legs were tricky, as close as I could get it
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>>556806815
They're dead ends
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>>556807090
Yeah, your mom.
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>>556807090
>Doorman running in and using his ult on their hypercarry who was also about to die
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Fuck i cant wait to finally find out what the fuck celeste actually does
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>>556807090
silver but she only makes it worse for her own team
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Why is infernus not nerfed yet
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>>556805259
can we have graves doing this pose next?
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>>556807090
Kelvin
Lash
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>>556807028
max greens with melee items
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>>556807028
buy gun items and extra stamina
kick -> bola -> slam
that'll get you into werewolf pussy mode where you just go feral on them
buy unstoppable or dispel magic
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>>556807231
Why would she be doing that pose, she only has one weapon
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>>556807118
based
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i put 60 votes for apollo but now i regret it after realizing celeste is a disruptor that is my favorite shit please let celeste win!!!
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RUN FOR YOUR PITIFUL LI-
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>>556807295
can just replace the guns with her skill 1 skulls
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>>556805990
It makes sense given the "premise" is a group of retards trying to summon some elder god/genie for a wish, so they're given things to wish for. I think >>556806069 is right where they'll give up on the game's concept of the world and do the typical MOBA "Expanded Universe" where shit like the VN, cinematics, random comics, etc. are the canon(s) and the game is a Smash Bros/Dream Match thing to sell you shit.
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>>556807295
she can have the hand in one hand and the jar of pickles in the other

>>556807335
>even appolofags want celeste
grim
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>>556806839
>Meet the Detective
>Meet the Necromancer
>Meet the Drifter
>Meet the Brat (with the R scribbled over with lipstick)
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>>556807378
i only voter apollo bc i felt bad for apollo voters desu
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I think I'll just quit the game once they start forcing a cash shop up my ass
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What are the 3 most annoying heroes (for the enemy) I can pick and learn?
Don't care about kills, just want to CC, interrupt, survive, deny. Shit like that.
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>>556807452
it's a valve game not a chinese mobile gacha slopper
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>>556807493
Doorman
Mo and Krill
Graves
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>>556807428
It's probably impossible to do full size ones for everyone but if they do either group videos or small shorts with them I'd love that, would also be a great way to shill Source 2 some more
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>>556806416
I main Mo/Krill btw
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>>556807493
Lion
Kumbhakarna
Makoa
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>>556807452
i unironically want that so badly i love little collectibles and skins i loooove it in dota 2 and the marketplace is fun
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summer skins when
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>>556807118
>manletlord
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>>556807493
ivy, rem, graves

honorable mentions: pocket, doorman, sinclair
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>>556807090
Kelvin and Doorman
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i hope star_ get's epic paid voicelines bros
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>>556807183
He's in the worse state he's been in for literally 2 years.
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Guys we need to buff Silver because I'm a shitter who cant get into wolf form
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is silver still good after the balance changes?
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>>556807704
I can't wait for monetization, it's ridiculous that we have nothing to buy. I want hats and skins and emotes
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>>556807653
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>>556807813
No, we need to buff Silver because her winrate is in the shitter in all brackets despite her being simple to play
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the ster and jerma announcer pack...
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>>556807872
>We need to buff silver because shitters who cant get into wolf form are prominent across the spectrum
True
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>Rem goes on a killstreak
>Hidden King: "Rem, you're my cute little wholesome chungus. googoo gaga *blows raspberry*"
I hate this character so much
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What would a single player campaign for deadlock look like?
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>>556807231
as close as I can get it. done for today
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>>556807493
M&K are tanky as fuck, have disarm, and are really good at locking people down and generally making them easy to kill
Bebop is less disable-focused but has a huge, infinitely-scaling spirit nuke and hooking someone into your team is consistently lethal even at the lowest ranks, he's probably the most banned hero if Haze isn't
Doorman and Viscous have high learning curves but both are able to fuck with people really hard. Viscous punches you a mile out of position from any angle. Doorman uses his portal gun to poke out the wall above you and shoot you from behind, fling people around on luggage carts, force you to solve a fucking platforming captcha to not explode to his ult (the single hardest disable in the game), and even his basic spammable AoE causes an obnoxious screenshake for several seconds if it hits
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>>556807493
Rem
Vyper (if played well in terms of movement)
Bebop (tank build)
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>>556805731
Ok, I'm chill, now that I've vented :^)
I knew better than to not queue as support, because when someone on my team has Rem, Kelvin, Paige, etc locked in, they're be biggest retards alive. Its been the same song and dance since I started playing League of Legumes in '13.

We resume our support duties tomorrow.
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heres your new green lane bro
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>>556807912
I chuckccept your sneedcession
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>>556807923
Stupid
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>>556807962
k, keep me updated.
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Vyper be vypin' while vapin' and vibin', Lash is so cool, Bebop fucking drools. Writtin this shite on prision, while pisin' the negroes.
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>>556807976
Formerly rebuttal
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>Apollo will have UNSTOPPABLE on one of his normal abilities
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Is Deathy's tier list supposed to be ordered? There's no way Vyper is the worst character (not counting Silver/Venator who he hasn't ranked yet)
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>>556807937
>>556807231
completely forgot the arms were underneath the legs
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>>556808065
kek you aight city slicker
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they SHOULD remove the meme meter and just turn silver's wolf mode into a a regular on demand ult
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>>556808101
nice
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>>556808070
Will it be like Doorman/Rem where it is only active during the startup of their ability?
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>>556807937
built for sniffs
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>>556808002
>Vyper: god i need some dick RIGHT NOW

why are women like this
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>>556808002
> they didn't give the snake lady a lamia body
absolute failure
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>>556808101
thanks fren
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>>556808152
im coping thinking for the duration
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come to think of it Doorman is probably the most spiteful moba character design since Techies

his whole kit is designed to make the enemy team confused and frustrated
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>>556807806
worse doesn't mean enough
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>>556808101
I want to bury my face in her 16 year old pussy
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>>556808303
only reason i play him
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if apollos absolutely boring ass somehow wins later im going to be so baffled
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Could a meepoeque hero work in this game?
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apollo will randomly have DOOM as his ult
it came to me in a dream
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>>556807183
I genuinely can't remember the last game where an Infernus had an impact, win or lose. They're usually not feeding but I never see them doing anything game-deciding in any form, he's probably the most "background" hero there is
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>>556808101
>>556807493
have lady geist slapping mina
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>>556808415
The meltdown in the celeste channel will be glorious if it did
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Thanks to brawl I started playing DA DRIFTA BABY and christ is he fun
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>>556808447
Probably not given how mobile people are so it'd be way too easy to jump a Meepo and get them all killed
Plus at best you could maybe farm the jungle easier, though the moment you leave your lane unattended the body you have there is just going to get poked to death by the enemy unless you hide yourself
And at that point you would've telegraphed the fact that your attention is currently elsewhere
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>>556808339
Mods, This one
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2024 deadlock gameplay mogs 2026 gameplay
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>>556808635
BASED??
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>>556808691
The old museum was so fucking good. The new map pretty much plays the same no matter where you're at.
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>>556807028
Well that went terribly....
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>>556808902
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>>556808478
I'll second this request
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>>556808902
your name looks Cyrillic
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God I hope Apollo wins
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>get turbo nuclear curbstomped by a team clearly far better than our own
>joking about it and bantering in the chat
>enemy pause right before killing patron and start calling everyone shitters and saying ggez
why are people so mentally ill in this game?
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>>556809246
it's a fucking moba, they're all toxic incels

5500+ made me quit dota because it's constant abuse
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>>556809195
>Cyrillic
Nah, it's probably "Anya", could be anywhere in europe or just a weeb
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I am single-handedly keeping Silver from being buffed.

On a more serious note I think that Silver functions a lot better in brawl than standard, which really just highlights how weak she is outside of just pure brawls, her lane game, she's also really just strong in the midgame and ONLY if you're ahead, she still completely folds to cc and kiting.
They should
>give her human form 3 stamina
>up her fire rate again and maybe give her 7 ammo
>up her numbers a bit
And look into changing her her ult transformation works because I don't think damage dealt to heroes is the way to go, nerf the werewolf form if needed
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>>556808691
The grittier textures in the undergorund were nice
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>>556809246
Moba addicts are of a special kind
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>>556809246
Ah, the Russian special. Very common among Slavniggers, dunno why they always do that
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I'm LITERALLY Bebop irl
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>>556808902
I have queue anxiety because of images like this.
I don't want to be the guy going 0/12. I did that in my late teens and early 20s in League, I don't have the patience or heart for it anymore.
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>>556809395
Gib tips
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>hook someone as bebop
>it literally doesnt matter cause they can traverse half the map in a literal second
game sucks ass
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>>556797886
it kind of feels like I'm just playing a worse Abrams as her. Her ult is available maybe 1/3 of the time, her gun isn't as efficient as Abrams', her dash isn't as good as his dash. Its just really hard to tell if you going in will lead to 3 kills or you suiciding.
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>When enemy Bebop is on a killstreak your Patron will tell you to destroy "the Scrap Golem"
So which rabbi built Bebop and carved אֱמֶת on his motherboard?
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>>556809395
Your three suggestions there are all pretty good ideas
I still think she should also get bloodlust from taking damage at 1/4 of the values of dealing it on top of that, to be quite honest
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>>556809510
>I don't want to be the guy going 0/12
you can be the guy going 0/3/25 or something, that's very normal
just learn how to avoid enemy skills and don't try to chase kills, let your other teammates do that while you learn what every character you play as and go up against can do
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>>556809637
Oh no why did you have to ruin this for me?
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do street brawl games also contribute to your character stats?
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>>556804827
remove the dick before I find your twitter and upload all your artworks on a civit.ai model
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>>556809637
honestly making him jewish would give him a lot of personality
>misses hook
>"oy vey"
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>>556809772
they do, but your rank won't change
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>>556806010
Thanks
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>>556808218
you sure about that?
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if graves had a real skill instead of this garbage jar of skulls that people turn around and thwack one time to get rid of it she would be kino
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>>556809829
>Lands his hook
>"Found a sheckel!"
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>>556809934
>that people turn around and thwack one time to get rid of
melee is worse against her skulls since their attacks are spread out now
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when will deadlock get its first skin of a real life celebrity or skins from other IPs?
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Niggerbop players will sit in the back the entire time just waiting for their hook to come off cooldown and think they deserve human rights lmao
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>>556809953
>>556809829
>bomb someone
>their foreskin blows off
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>>556809920
Do not give me false hope here
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>>556810021
same time as dota did
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Unicorngirl pussy
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>>556810087
Taste the rainbow
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league graves forgotten....
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>>556810086
dota2 had 'Portal' personality ball skins for wards in 2013
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Did Celeste win yet?
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>>556809528
I'm really not that good but I just have good aim from years of playing shooters and shoot them from mid-range.
Don't commit suicide just because you get werewolf form.
I personally like to use 1 at mid-range, then bolas, then jump if needed, sometimes I bolas, shoot, 180 kick, shoot and then 1.
Lean into defensive items more than offensive items.

>>556809684
That might just work, all I know is that the way it works now does not feel complete and needs further tuning/changing on a mechanic level, such as damage taken like you said.
Her werewolf form is strong but it's so context dependent that I don't think how hard activating it can be justifies how good it is.
Sometimes werewolf form is just outright useless if the context doesn't favor it and sometimes you're incentivized to just... not deal damage so you don't pop it and signal to the enemy team "ATTACK US NOW", that's bad game design in my opinion.
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>>556810086
the okami courier....
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>>556810021
Its entirely possible people start importing Fortnite models over, so you can play as Sabrina Carpenter or something I guess
>>556810073
I don't know the chronology of Vyper's appearance but I'm pretty sure what we have now is older than this. My guess is they want to make sure people can identify how the snek moves. I mean she has an ability called slither. Lizards don't slither. Her legs disappear when you use the skill.
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>>556795081
>>556795770
>>556803576
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>>556799780
I refuse to unbind my F key
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Can't wait for the ultra rare baby sevens, female lash and plushy bebop arcanas
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Just played a street brool where my ivy kept insisting on dropping the vindicta into the enemies then rescue beaming her out instead of the silver on our team

we won
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Celeste will be an uma musume reference.
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>>556810280
>'Portal'
Oh no, not a Valve IP crossover, who could've predicted that.
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>>556810002
not when they immediately deploy, you just hit them right as they spawn
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>>556810514
it had warhammer crossover skins like 10 years ago
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>>556810086
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>>556810616
I forgot Anti-Mage transitioned
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>>556810559
>2016 was 10 years ago
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My rating is going up, but I feel like in the last few games I just got lucky, like both times we had some gigachad on our team who got almost double the average cash and just carried
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>>556810086
>>556810280
>>556810514
TF2 had a shitton of collabs almost 2 decades ago
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Who else is excited for deadlock to release so it can have a battlepass and lootboxes?

I know I am
-Lash player
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>>556810823
stfu bebop
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>>556810756
TF2 came out in 2009 and STARTED the whole collab bullshit industry-wide several years later
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>>556810823
Excuse the devs for wanting to put food on the table
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>>556810823
>so it can have a battlepass
isn't valve moving away from fotm shit since people actively refused to do them?
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>>556809510
Why would I care? The games have literally no consequence other than which team gets the cheap dopamine hit and it's just as easily forgotten anyway, no one will remember you in any significant way.
Besides they're all quite literal subhuman russians or gamer retards anyway, literally beneath me.
It genuinely didn't faze me the slightest that I just went 0/16 against some nigger haze.
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>>556810891
>starts lootboxes
>starts collab cancer
valve may be evil, but this might be more of an example of 'company 1 does something that goes over well due to goodwill, everyone else shamelessly copies and turns up the jew to 11'
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>>556810823
I just want some level of account progression already. Nothing should be permanent. Maybe a beta tester trophy or something, but I just want to start working towards rewards. I mean we have a blank trophy shelf in the lobby. Let me fill it up somehow
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>>556806815
Juke cabinets
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>>556810891
TF2 started everything transaction related in the current era.
Gacha lootboxes.
Hats.
Premium exclusive skins.
Collabs.
Limited time stuff.

I still remember my balling as fuck loadouts where I autistically color matched them and made them fit each character with a fitting unusual.
And yet I never spent a dime on tf2.
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>>556811172
all I remember were people getting tons of good drops and me getting nothing
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People hate Graves and Rem because the constant split pushes force them to remember the game is a moba and not a hero shooter with some side objectives.
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what did we even do?
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Would pocket be into Vyper?
She looks kind of froggish.
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>>556811369
why did she steal Ivy's clothes
is ivy naked now
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Celeste owes me sex
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>>556811359
you paid her a visit
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>>556798976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUijcsF_LBE
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>>556811359
Holy transcoded Gravestroon!
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>Chud Unicorn vs Enby Devil

Who will win?
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Think about this:
Silver being forced to wear Celeste's clothes.
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>>556811402
probably
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>>556811685
The girl. WE ain't gay
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>>556809829
Every time he lands a bomb kill he breaks the 4th wall to look the player directly in the eyes and explain Israel's part in 9/11
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Are monstergirls going to get tits on release or valve will keep it "realistic"?
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>>556805754
>2026
>I am forgotten
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celestebros, I'm doing my part
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>Feel a cortisol spike approaching
>Look at my logan paul gif
>Escape tilt
I feel so close to you right now
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>>556812045
good job simpy~
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How do I play lane and midgame as silver?
Does she have the same gameplan as Viktor where you're just useless in lane and only need to farm?
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>>556812071
>logan paul gif
literally who, cringe, faggot
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>>556812194
You're not strong in lane, but if people get too cocky and close range you can do decent burst with your combo
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>>556812025
He transitioned to Airheart
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>New update
>Game crashes nonstop
>Get sent to Low Priority Matchmaking
Nice
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>boho finally releases
>it's a man
your honest reaction
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https://youtu.be/xqJsU0iN_UI
Man in retrospect I have no idea what the fuck Valve was thinking making another "it's a vaguely-scifi vaguely-Japan vaguely-cyberpunk setting"
Looks like shit design wise, one of thousands of copypasted Neo-Tokyos
Glad they changed it, Deadlock's setting is kind of schizophrenic right now with no real defined time frame but the noir Manhattan concept is a billion times better than vidrel
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The matchmaking has been utterly fucked since the moment they added hero matchmaking
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Graves was brutally breastmogged by a werewolf alcoholic.
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>>556812194
>Does she have the same gameplan as Viktor
No, Victor is a special kind of busted where he can just lose everything and become a monster at minute 30 anyway
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>>556812590
i guess this answers the question of whether infernus is a nigger or not
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>>556811359
You literally took this off someone's twitter I JUST saw that post what do you mean "we"
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>>556812635
Breast-mogged, and then BEAST-BRED
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>>556812590
I hate cyberpunk so much, it's trashy and shit, it's just the worst aspects of trashy irl cities with some neon lights and Japanes/Chinese characters plastered all over.
Related to that, punk in general is a shit "style".
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does abrams framemog victor
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>>556812751
Abrams cockmogs the entire cast. When he gets erect there's more blood in his penis than there is in Rem's entire body
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>>556812590
It was 100% icefrogs idea. He played a lot of overwatch when it was popular. Not his best artistic choice. Whoever suggested the art change and convinced him is probably promoted to more vacation time.
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>>556812295
You're over 30
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>>556812661
nigfernus is an ixian expat who only knows english and probably was raised close to ebonics
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>>556812590
>Looks like shit design wise, one of thousands of copypasted Neo-Tokyos
imagine if Valve hired streumon for the setting
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>>556812590
>Deadlock's setting is kind of schizophrenic right now with no real defined time frame
It's a completely different universe, they have literal fucking magic and demons and djinns and shit running around.
It can easily be in the 30s and still have modern stuff because of it.
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>>556812853
>>556812751

Silver in ult has the largest frame. This is why colossus is core on her
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>>556812590
Ironically I don't find anything "bad" with it because it still looks decently polished.. What I don't like though
>it's a Valve game wasted on cyberpunk and I have cyberpunk fatigue
>gives me "side project" vibes like Ricochet
>there doesn't seem to be any coherent lore or drive in the setting
>Sweet Baby shit
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>>556812194
Get on top of the bridge in lane and spam shotgun headshots from above. Unload 1 into their face if they try to contest you. Once you unlock ult you can be more bold. Midgame get speed and stamina mastery and roam to plus fights. Farming isn't that bad with a shotgun - heavy melee rotation against the creeps.
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>>556813182
>spoiler
I would cream my pants from laughter if it's the first collab we get
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bebop may in fact be icefrogs greatest creation
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Remember to thank Hyenas and Concord for giving us Deadlock and not Neon Prime.
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>>556812990
yeah but it still needs to obey some sense of aesthetic/tonal cohesiveness for there to be any form of a distinct setting.
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>>556812853
>Abrams cockmogs the entire cast.
And I want him to fuck me with it.
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>>556812590
>this map was more finished after 1 year of work on it than the map we have right now
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If I heavy melee someone, and they parry (with correct timing), but I redirect the melee so it doesn't connect, do I have enough time to heavy melee them again before they recover from the parry attempt, or can they just immediately parry me again?
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People say how the cast and designs are getting more directionless but the only one that stands out to me as "wrong" is Billy because he's rocking a style like 30 years MINIMUM too early and even then I don't really mind it because it works in a vacuum so
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>>556813182
>>it's a Valve game wasted on cyberpunk and I have cyberpunk fatigue
Valve has been trying to make a cyberpunk game for literally 30 years, if any old ass boomer remembers Prospero, they've really wanted to make one but just never happened
As much of a sucker I am for cyberpunk, companies have ran the concept to the ground and dumb retards just go
"OOOOOHH BIG SKYSCRAPERS KINO" and not all the fucked up shit that comes with it.
That said I still want them to have a crack at it maybe, in some years when people warm up to it again.
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I am a Graves who has no idea how to lane...
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>>556811756
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never in a million years would i expect celeste to be the biggest chud in the cast but here we are
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Holiday bros, what keybinds are you using? 1+q is terrible and I don't use macros out of principle.
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>>556813849
imagine the whiplash
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>>556813849
>Working class family woman is a chud wtf
Yeah
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>>556812194

Get greens early because its likely you lose the lane against someone who knows what they are doing. You are also very squishy and need to play close

Your clear sucks but your poke and harass isnt bad so hopefully you get paired with someone who can clear and you can focus on the enemy hero

The moment you hit ult you should be looking to roam/get active. It might be the biggest powerspike in the game so you really want to abuse that advantage
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Did they do another matchmaking update? I wasn't seeing any feeders in my games until recently.
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>>556813849
>>556813913
> family woman
uh oh transphobia alert
Is Deadlock problematic after all?
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>>556813849
Is this people overreacting to her calling pocket a guy or did I miss something actually big?
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>>556813971
in the past week or so there have been a couple
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>>556814080
>did I miss something actually big?
yes, in her pants
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>>556814080
> calling pocket a guy
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>>556814185
stop ruining the cute girls with your fag fetish. theres men in the cast just pester them.
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>>556806818
So what you're saying Valve should make a british style sitcom about a pub where heroes are customers?
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do we have any leaks on apollo's kit?
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>>556814315
>pub
I'd take Fawlty Towers with deadlock characters instead
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>>556814080
so she calls pocket a guy? Am I missing something? because he IS a guy
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>>556814383
if you didn't notice pretty much everyone refers to Pocket/Arin as they/them in any context
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>>556813589
Part of the "issue" with cyperpunk is that it is an inherently visually messy setting. It's not East Asian megacities with clean streets, it's East Asian megacity buildings copied into American cities with trash and empty bottles and homeless and graffiti everywhere. If you don't have a billion random assets shitting up the environment, it's not cyberpunk. This means for any cyberpunk-themed map, you need to put in a lot more dev hours on just visual assets, many of which will need meshes or physics or whatever

"Manhattan, but it's moderately clean and has some magipunk/steampunk decor" is way easier to do
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Which female hero has the best tasting piss and why is it Graves'?
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>>556814383
Was referred too nearly exclusively as they/them. Whether this was sweet baby shit, placeholder, or waned by the devs is unknown, but people took it and ran with it and the devs are probably too afraid of backlash now to change it if they wanted to. Only Fairfax in the VN, and Celeste in her Pocket kill line, refer to Pocket as a guy currently, and I wouldn't be surprised if outrage over Celeste's line, or the fear of it, gets that changed too.
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>>556814502
> if you didn't notice
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I'm so fucking sick of how soft this games community is because I see Twitter troons or people ingame call out "toxicity" and it's the most mild shit ever so I try to be as toxic as possible every game to get em used to MOBA communities
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>>556814598
>outrage
I fail to see how Peru and Russians are going to make enough noise about the issue
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>>556814371
Some sort of parry, a dash, a "sigil" which i think might be a barrier or resist and his ult is some omnislash thing
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i voted for every hero except for rem
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>>556814645
chuds panicing over pronouns always makes me laugh.
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>>556814685
Stop using twitter
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>>556814687
Look man companies care way more about some 10k like twitter post than your average person, generally just assume they'll cave.
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>>556814578
>Clear pee
Calico
McGinnis
Paige
Paradox
Yamato
>Moderately yellow
Lady Geist
Wraith
Vindicta
Mina
Holliday
Celeste
Haze
>Deep yellow
Graves
Silver
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>>556814685
nigga it's just a game
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>>556814731
Are you retarded
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>>556814746
it's a MOBA, toxicity is part of the gameplay idk how they're this fuckin soft
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>>556814598
Vyper also refers to him as a guy iirc and the cope was vyper is an ass hole
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>>556814734
Vyper? Ivy?
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WHY THE FUCK CALICO HAS SHORTER COOLDOWN ON HER ULT IN BRAWL? IT'S 20 SECONDS WITH ITEMS
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Apollo is a femboy enby.
Change my mind.
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>>556814801
iirc lizards don't pee and gargoyles don't drink water
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>>556814734
>Moderately yellow
>Mina
hers is Red
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>>556814805
Mreow!
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>>556814784
I agree and don't like softies either but if people are "toxic" by griefing matches then they can go kill themselves for all I care
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I forgot this board existed. Just learned you can mantle slide in any direction you want, seems super useful for running away
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>>556814805
Yeah everyone bans Bebop McGinnis and shit but calico gets disgusting.
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I don't even have a piss fetish and I think if it was possible I would strap my face to Graves pussy and drink forever.
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>>556814725
and then everyone clapped
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>>556814734
Graves has well hydrated and refreshing urine, stop this nonsense
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>>556814807
He is a devil and associating the gays with demons is not permitted

He is straight male and probably invested in chevron because he likes their balance sheet
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>>556814848
>iirc lizards don't pee
you mean billy shoved his dick into a cloaca?
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>>556813469
>discover that pudge mains will just walk in and rupture if they miss hook
>give them a death laser instead so they stop feeding
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>>556814962
You have not considered how people treat Tieflings and Tiefling OCs.
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wat if apollo and venator are friends?
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The biggest learning curve in this game is map navigation with the air fans and movement gimmicks
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>>556813469
I wish he was more Pudge like. Replace his bombs with a tank passive, and buff his punch damage.
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>>556815029
>Tieflings
that depends on the setting and edition
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>>556815083
From the voice lines it seems like Venator doesn't mind Apollo. Not friends but not enemies either, despite Apollo being a demon nationalist.
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>check my bebop replay throwing a random hook
>watch from enemy pov
>hook hand goes right past them, clear as day
>still gets hooked anyways

OUT PLAYED
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Practicing Corner boosting is taking years from my life, I legit cannot do this shit with regular stone fences and I've been at this for like 40 minutes, praying this shit "clicks" on me any time now.
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>>556795462
>I've seen Mirage and Ivy doing 3k dmg in 30 minutes
in order for this to happen you literally need to not be pressing any buttons for incredibly long periods of time on these characters. with graves i vaguely understand it depending on the rank. i've seen graves perform really poorly in eternus if she gets a shitty matchup in lane and just can't recover. she farms very slowly compared to the dedicated farm characters like haze and if she gets outpaced it's just over for her unless she gets lucky kills on enemies with no spatial awareness. i do not know what's happening in like archon or wherever these graves screenshots come up though, these are ranks where i spectate my friends' games and the entire lobby has no idea you can even shoot the fucking skulls and they just ignore the ghouls entirely and just walk up to them. in higher ranks everyone knows how easy she is to bully.
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>>556815175
Fuck you
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>>556815159
If Apollo is nobility then there's a high chance that the church turns a blind eye to him because his family gives them "donations"
Pretty realistic, paper enemies stop being enemies as soon as money comes into play
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>>556815108
just play him tanky its fucking insane
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this rem nigga can't stay still it's so fuckin hard to shoot him
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>>556815260
Its hilarious how people calling graves broken is such a clear admission of being bottom tier elo, because you can just make half her kit irrelevant outside of all but the most chaotic teamfights.
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>>556815159
Demons are fine as long as they return to their realm once they are done with their business.
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>>556815159
>>556815083
are demons in deadcock real demons like from HELL or some just random schizos with fire powers idk this lore
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>>556815205
>see a video of someone wall jumping the jump pads to speedrun urn delivery and then some other walljump movement tech
Honestly it's beyond me and I've deemed it troon coded. I'll dash jump, slide, whatever, but this extra stuff is gay.
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>>556815376
i normally hold crouch when playing rem

during laning, im like a walking chicken
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>>556815363
Yeah I do, I'm just saying I wish he was even tankier. Swap the bombs for a tank passive like Shiv and Abrams.
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why are rem's shitlings so hard to kill when he's splitpushing with them wtf?
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>>556815519
they literally gain damage resitance and a powerful regen
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>>556814945
>>556814918
>not even a full minute apart
based
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>>556813738
>Prospero
Oh I remember seeing this image but I didn't know it was from a Valve project and didn't know its name.
>In January 2020, during a Reddit AMA about Half-Life: Alyx, a user jokingly asked when Prospero would be released. Robin Walker replied, "Greg [Coomer] still talks about it daily. We just nod and pretend we're listening."[3] Shortly after, when another user jokingly asked when Ricochet 2 would be released, Coomer responded, "Robin still talks about it daily. We just nod and pretend we're listening."[4]
>https://half-life.fandom.com/wiki/Prospero
lmao
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>>556815159
Apollo is one of the good ones
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>>556815440
>Honestly it's beyond me and I've deemed it troon coded. I'll dash jump, slide, whatever, but this extra stuff is gay.
Honestly me too, I don't have the desire or time to grind that pointless bullshit just to enter a skill bracket of faggot neets and nolife troons that are allergic to just having fun with the game and feel the need to grind out every speck of enjoyment out of the game.
There's plenty of movement in the game already, you don't need pixel-perfect gimmicky engine physics bug-abusing retardation.
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God these characters look fucking ugly
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Apollo is Lion's prodigal son
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>>556815825
>sinclair with seven's machine gun
sovlkino
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>>556815825
I like Holliday, I will like Sinclair and Vyper (probably), and I would like Calico if she didn't have that retarded bald+bun
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>>556815878
>it shoots playing cards
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>>556815825
Calico is terrible.
>magic cat powers and shit
>make her a black woman with an English accent instead of an Egyptian woman with an ancient Egypt motif
Sweet Baby are fucking awful
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>>556815416
ironically i still get people crying in their valorant accent on mic whenever a graves does poorly on my team. a lot of the people who insist she's overpowered are just m1ggers who can not fathom the idea of not W+M1ing into her very obvious fluorescent green wall on the floor or the neon green ghouls running toward them that are slower than victor in lane. she's not bad by any means but she's not the best character in the game either.
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they should swap grvaes tombstone with her wall frfr
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supertf graves cosplay.
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>>556815645
is it really so hard to believe that two different people could have excellent taste?
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Support Seven, yay or nay?
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>>556816348
>jump over wall
>clearly nowhere near it
>still get fucking stunned EVERY TIME
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>>556815416
it sucks the devs listened to the shitters and nerfed her so hard
in most fights I have with her people know to melee the heads before going back to shoot me so my DPS output is horrible
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>>556813469
>bebop may in fact be icefrogs greatest creation

No, that's Clock. Such a clean perfect design.
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>silver takes virtually no damage from me in wolf form with 37k vs 39k souls and 8% bullet resist while i'm playing a m1gger hero
why is that allowed
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>>556817162
this is with toxic bullets inhibitor too btw
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>>556815825
You can really tell how dated these are when you compare them to the latest batch of heroes
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>>556817105
I love clankers so much (sexually)
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>>556801050
Exquisite bait, good job anon
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>>556817162
Just use actives. I feel like she was designed specifically to incentivize people to buy actives since no one does it for some reason just like in doturd cores often refuse to buy bkb until it's too late because "me carry, me smash, me dmg, item no damage? no buy!.
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Genuinely asking how you're supposed to improve and go up ranks when you're at the apex of your skill? I genuinely do not think there is anything more I can do as myself to "improve". I already understand how to play the game, how to defend lane, attack, team fight, make call outs, and so on.

Yet the teammates I get are so dumb, so bad, so inept, so useless that there is no amount of "carrying" I can do to win. I get people who actually don't even use their ultimate at all. Not that they use it and it isn't effective, no literally they don't even use it at all. Teammates who let a wave with 30 creeps push up on it while they spend actual minutes on the side killing like maybe 2 camps.

When you're on a team that knows how to play the game, you win in 20min. When you're on a team that has no fucking clue whats going on it's utter torture.
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>>556793787
7 and victor have 52-54% winrate and they're both terrible. Shiv and Rem have a 45% winrate but they're OP.
It is a actually, unironically, a skill issue.
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>my most played character is lower compared to my relative skill rating
fug
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>>556817249
wow you have 9600 souls invested in items that don't give you damage and the character with like 40% bullet resist is tanking all your shots how could this happen
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>>556817483
is vic really that bad? He seems weak but not terrible.
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>>556817531
he's fine
anon is right that Shiv and Rem are OP though, especially Rem
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>>556817464
I remember back in 2012 when dota 2 was still in beta how people complained about their teammates lol
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makenew
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>>556793787
>no no you don't get it, my 94% pickrate 54% wr hero is actually underpowered you are just retarded.

Just looking at numbers like these without context or understanding is worthless.
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>>556817583
double posting because more on this
Rem's buffs were entirely unneeded and should be reverted
I don't know why they buffed him so hard in so many ways and didn't touch his 3
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sinclair's ult feels so lame i expected more from the spell steal champ ice FRAUD
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>>556793787
High pick rate because easy and new.
High win rate because retards literally do not know how to stop her skulls from killing them. Hell, I saw people trying to kill the skulls with abilities in alchemist.
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>>556817464
You answered your own question on how to improve and you didn't even realize it.
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>>556817583
I tell my lane partner to focus on creeps instead of poke when I'm rem and we always shove the lane into the enemy with them tanking a ton of creep aggro and us free to shoot at them with no return fire
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I don't get how to build Mirage.
>go fire rate
Doesn't work
>go weapon damage
Doesn't work
>go Mark
Doesn't work
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>>556817615
Am I wrong to do so though? For the sake of the argument lets say I do everything right and my teammate does everything wrong, whose fault is it when you lose? Obviously I am not doing "everything" right, no one ever is. But when I have teammates who dive into every fight and die in 1 second, then respawn and do it again, how is that my fault? When I have teammates who play a character but build items that do not help them in any way, how is that my fault? Teammates who purposefully don't defend lane?

I don't get how people like you say to not complain about teammates, like, it literally is their fault, it just is? You can't even convince them to stop doing what they're doing. Had a Lash who killed themselves every chance they got, I asked them to just stop doing that please, what was their response? "No." Wow, epic, very cool, yes we lost that game.
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see you tomorrow for pony time boys
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>>556817887
split push aura bitch
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It'll be funny when we go to open beta/full release and ranks reset and some of the streamers crash out because they can't get back into the top ranks.
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>>556817801
This shit pisses me off, why can he just do this? I killed a rem/yamato multiple times in lane yet it stays pushed because of the gigachad troops. Everytime I roamed our tower would take damage.
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you are le constant
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CELESTE IN LESS THAN 10 HOURS.
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>>556816806
Nay but im a hater and never liked it even when it was good

The stun is just not enough, you can debuff with his 3 but I dont really.think of that as a support build exclusive thing
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>>556817531
He's playable just like 7, but you need like 30k souls to be useful for anything unless you're playing against people that don't know how to run away.
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>>556817919
>lets say I do everything right and my teammate does everything wrong, whose fault is it when you lose?
yours because you didn't have enough skill to compensate over your teammate's fault or didn't find the right people to queue the match with
first part is a skill issue
second part requires research into timezones when retards are most active and acceptable ping if you want to swap regions
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>>556818010
The issue is multi layered. The creep gets a full heal, gets 50% (FIFTY) damage resist and damage bonus, and can get healed AGAIN as a target for tag along, which also makes rem unpokeable as he can tag along up to 3 times in laning
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is celeste really le lgbbq
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>>556817887
Mark does work, you can also play as bruiser
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>>556818010
Hero shooter-tard learns how MOBAs work
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>>556818186
She's the only character chud enough to call Pocket a he/him. So probably not.
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whatever team gets venator loses.
fun meta yoshit
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>quickbuy a superior cooldown duration or expansion
> makes me imbue and waste time on the downgrade first
So annoying
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unicorns can only be seen by virgins....
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>>556818186
i hope she's transgender and nonbinary and queer and is in a polyamorous relationship so the chuds get mad at the game and stop playing
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>>556817663
Theres no nuance that explains 54% wr in a moba with that pickrate, you dumb fuck.
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>>556816864
u habe 2 dabel jump
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>>556818272
Its not his fault they are all running tard builds
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>>556818331
>polyamorous relationship
between a horse, a pig, and a zebra that cucks the horse every friday
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>>556818241
It's clearly overtuned. It's like lycan rushing lvl3 necro at 5 minutes
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>>556818325
>Celeste pops ult
>only Graves, Rem and Venator can see her during it
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>>556818010
Having a rem is basically a 5v6, thats the weakness. You should win every full team fight
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celeste looks like that pink whore from league
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>>556817483
>7 and victor have 52-54% winrate and they're both terrible.
This is a non-logical statement
If they have winrates above the average at both low and high rank, they are statistically good. This isn't up for debate and there's no nuance to it, it's just a fucking fact
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>>556818336
>Theres no nuance
>players on opposing teams at the same skill level fail to understand fundamental concepts that make the hero perform worse at higher levels of skill
>hero's performance is dependent on that lack of understanding
>dev effort should be in the direction of making that hero perform more evenly across skill levels
not that hard isn't it?
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>>556818671
no picks in DNS
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Celeste looks gorgeous
She's really pretty, probably the prettiest woman in the cast
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>>556818709
>dev effort should be in the direction of making that hero perform more evenly across skill levels

This basically means remove skill expression, you should kill yourself
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>>556818671
Do you know that player distribution isn't linear, right?
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>>556818734
Not my problem
>>556818816
Not relevant
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>>556818782
>remove skill expression
>in-game shop doesn't explain well enough that curse is the best shutdown item in the game
>making it more clear to players or adjusting the hero to be less affected by it somehow lowers skill expression
are we retarded?
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ice fraud keeps nerfing clinkz you do not understand his methods
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If you want to better understand how data isn't clear cut, I suggest you watch this video or more ones like it. Without context and understanding, data isn't useful and can lead to wrong assumptions.

https://youtu.be/VAlgoJYz068?si=YW9HIqdiWOANOGXQ&t=225
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>>556818948
>in-game shop doesn't explain well enough that curse is the best shutdown item in the game
yeah, if you are retarded
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waitaminite
what if pocket likes frogs because it's icefrog coming out of the closet about his dreams of being a rich hapa?
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>>556818851
>Not relevant

Ok, I'll explain it like you're a toddler
If Hero A is very easy to use but hard to counter for newbies, said newbies are gonna have a hard time fighting against it and will probably int hard, causing Hero A to become fed and carry the game.

Since there's a LOT more people in the lower elo that equals a LOT more matches where Hero A gets picked and stomps the enemy lane.

In high elo, Hero A doesn't have enough skill expression, but even if played correctly can still be countered by certain playstyles or other heroes, thus drastically lowering his winrate in said elo, but only influencing the overall influence by maybe a couple percentile points.
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>>556819092
Makes sense considering I think it was leaked he was middle-eastern.
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>>556819042
are you implying initiate ranks ARE NOT retarded?
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>>556819092
He likes posting frogs
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>>556819174
>Icefraud is Middle Eastern
I don't believe this. There's no way we can make games like this.
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I thought Icefrog was Indian, cause he added a bunch of Hindu mythos to dota 2.
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>>556819348
>>556819348
>>556819348
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>>556819275
his supposed irl name is Abdul Ismail, he could be american for all we know
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お前の命運は定まった。
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>>556804827
Hot
I want him to rape me
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>>556818709
1. balancing for shitters is usually a losing battle (not always, but often)
2. the muh low skill bracket argument goes out the window outside shitter ranks by definition. And no, it doesnt need to be a le eternus IV lobby to justify the characters performance. Arguably, those performance stats at anything above the 70th percentile is egregious and needs to be tuned down.
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>>556818180
I genuinely can not argue with someone so delusional. Like, that's such a crazy response I don't even know what to say.

You know it's easier to do bad things for the team than it is to do good things, right? Your teammates can accumulate "bad" things for the team faster than good things. They can/do die faster than they kill. They can/do not defend waves faster than they do other things slowly. They can/do not use their ult and then die without having any good effect for the team. Etc.
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>>556818651
The fuck you talking about rems ult is amazing and his 2 and 3 are huge for keeping the team alive
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>>556819652
He isnt a "body" in the teamfight(yes this matters)
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>>556819582
Nta but complaining about teammate beguiles your lack of statistical experience

I sentence you to 100k poker hands
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>>556814734
Vindicta is a ghost, she wouldn't even drink water.
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>>556819124
Still none of that is fucking relevant
if the hero's winrate is above average at BOTH low ranks and high ranks, as I directly stated and as you completely avoided in your blathering, it is strong.
Nothing more to be said, you are simply incorrect and trying to dodge it
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>>556817749
>Rem's buffs were entirely unneeded and should be reverted
It's a Mina situation again.
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>>556800327
this, after a long ass comeback win i don't want to que again right after but that doesn't means i didn't have fun
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>>556815825
was gun sinclair ever a build?
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>>556822679
i still play gun sinclair and get mvps, assistant is a powerful steroid and teleporting behind someone twice when they're trying to track you wins duels
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>>556813702
Yes, the cooldown on Parry is quite long - even wit Rebuttal you have enough time to re-do the Heavy Melee after faking it out.



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