Body Snatchers edition!Two anime series, Dragon Ball Super: BEERUS and Dragon Ball Super: Galactic Patrol, have been announcedAge 1000 game project announcedXenoverse 2's Future Saga Ch. 3 is outFighterZ new balance update is outGekishin Squadra is out. Zamasu is currently the free weekly character.AGE 1000 TEASERhttps://youtu.be/pLscMRafsLISPARKING ZERO NEW DLC TEASERhttps://youtu.be/SZhl5-ag0tAGEKISHIN SQUADRA BARDOCKhttps://youtu.be/vgqyxN0Kce4KAKAROT DAIMA PT.2 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/ZY6OAh_7KYwXV2 FUTURE SAGA CH.3 LAUNCH TRAILERhttp://youtu.be/FtxSegpS7TIFIGHTERZ SS4 DAIMA GOKUhttp://youtu.be/fVtdkNqbiKE?t=96>Useful links:https://rentry.org/dft79XV2 news:>Future Saga 4 DLC on the way, release date TBASDBH News/Resources:>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24>SDBH Database: https://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/>Deck Autism: https://rentry.org/sdbhdecklistDBSDV news:>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefileIf you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.Kakarot:>Daima DLC Part 2 will release on January 15thDB The Breakers:>Season 9 launched with DBZ Broly Raider>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry herehttp://xenoverse.booru.org/Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)Thank youLAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>556698868
>>557238239they should body snatch caulifla and kale again - it was fun as a SDBH story
>>557238836Cute
Dragon Ball hate is so forced
>FunsexyDB made a Kamehasutra tributeI wasn't expecting it.
>>557245240>She included this panelkek
>>557247303That face is just magical.
What if Goku was in Game of Thrones?
>>557251325I think he'd be a good king there because the main thing the retards there need is a King that isn't gonna die in the next 15 minutes from some assassination. Aegon proved that.And the Maesters fucked it up by killing all the dragons that made killing the King non-viable because they're spergy redditors.
Hot take: Instead of a Susano, just have Goku's hair grow into a giant white colossus.Or go golden if you really want a SSJ Infinity reference.
>>557252715Energy giant forms are introduced in the same arc as "susanoo".Hair mechas are a terrible idea.There's no "J" in Sūpāsaiyajin acronym.Commit sudoku.
>>557254141SSJ derives from the traditional writing form of Super Saiya-jin as was common in Usenet back in the 90s.
>>557255243RUNNING IN THE 90s
>>557254141>Energy giant forms are introducedDidn't happen.>Hair mechas are a terrible idea.Naruto fag cope.>There's no "J" in Sūpāsaiyajin acronym.The 'Jin' say otherwise.Kill yourself.
>>557255243Stop being such a weeb. It was wrong then, and it's still wrong now.
>>557257003>He says in an anime thread on an anime website
>>557257116>he says knowing full well actual nips use SSWhich is it, bro? You can't have both.
>>557257215Nips use Supasaiyajin in one word.
>>557257215>You can't have bothYou're literally the one who just flip flopped, you weeb.
pathetic
>>557256339Did happen, read the manga.Nardo didn't invent energy constructs, projecting nardokek.There's no separate "jin", the word is "saiyajin". You may as well short Super Saiyan as "SSN"
>replying to SSJuansDought hours huh?
>>557255243>did you know some people said this thing wrong in the 90s?Yeah? So?Also "super saiya-jin" isn't a thing, Manolo, "saiyajin" is one word.
>>557257960>Did happen, read the manga.Didn't happen, there's 0 energy avatar outside of Goku.>NoCool cope, Narutofag, your Susano sucks.Nah, I'll keep going with SSJ like quite literally everyone else.
>Paco is throwing another tantrum because he has no authority and people still use SSJ everywhere despite his monthly tantrums for the last yearHe's SSJ Mad.
>>557258136>"saiyajin" is one word.Yeah so your SS larp is wrong.
>>557257960Aren't you the retard who mistook an illustration of a Yardrat shrinking with an energy giant form?
note
>>557259164Is a slut
>>557259260
>>557259520Yes... YES!! Pull tail!!!!
>>557259520Bite it
>>557259763YES! HAHAHAHA!! YES YES!!
>>557259763Based
>>557259520>>557259763Saiyan girls are into this
>tail pullingDegenerate but better than the spamming retard I guess
>>557260117Stop crying already, holy shit. Take a hint.
>>557260117It's actually very good and Saiyans like it
>>557260234Need to pull monkey tail
Soon.
Hercule.
Poirot.
>>557260539Holy shit someone who actually draws SSB Vegeta instead of a weird SSB-SSBE hybrid, make a wish
fusions 2
>>557262071Talking about wishes, I just learned that the wish Bardock unknowingly makes to the Dragon Balls in the Granolah arc is in japanese a reflection of Gine's words after Bardock named little Kakarot which conveniently matches grandpa Gohan's words after renaming him in the original Bardock special, so it shows both Bardock's personality being influenced by a softy like Gine and plays a parallelism between Goku's biological and adoptive fathers and between Goku and Granolah>Bardock names the kid "Kakarot" and Gine wants him to grow strong>when Bardock is busy fighting for his life the first random wish he can come up with is that the kid grows strong>thanks to that wish Gohan names the kid "Goku" and makes sure he grows strong>both Goku and Granolah end up becoming survivors of Freeza-orchestrated genocides, then raised by gentle old men in possession of a dragon ball in a remote house in the middle of the mountains all thanks to BardockBetween this, the art of Bardock's classic squad having a similar fate as in the OVA and the use of both the Minus armor and the OVA armor I'm convinced Toyotaro really likes classic Bardock, I bet he would choose the original one over Minus' if not for how Jaco-Minus is part of Toriyama's canon, even more so after RoF and BR.
>>557272608>Grow up big and strong>Gets turned into a little kid TWICE
>>557273693Only one of those count
>>557238836God I wish I could sniff Oren Caulifla until I turn into that skeleton alien with cabba's hair shopped onto it.
>>557274747literally the most forgotten form of anyone in DB everit expired as fast as it appearedhype for one week and then leaks that Frieza returns and Buu goes asleep again (and gets fat too for some reason) and boomthis is worse than filler tier lol
>>557272608>shartnga
>>557273952True, the other is a blatant rip-off of a creatively bankrupt staff.
>>557276987>the other is a blatant rip-off of a creatively bankrupt staff.But enough about GT
>>557278059>Grand Tour is a rip off of DaimaThat doesn't how time works
>>557276875>this is worse than filler tier lolIt's literally filler, just like "no ego zone" Krillin or the epic adventures of Android 17 and Goku versus space poachers, shit we will never see again after Super Kai cuts it
>>557278720
>>557273693and neither one of those were canon
>>557278961Super Kai moght never reach ToP. It's the part of Super that's tge most praised.
>>557279468Where Nappa
>>557278720GT ripped off OG, retard
>>557284946Toriyama ripped off his own work?
>>557287605Toei Animation writers aren't Akira Toriyama, anon.
>>557292519Akira Toriyama did the outline for GT.
>>557276875He was included in a 2022 figure set of Buus so maybe not as forgotten as some would think. The buff Buu wasn't included.
>>557276875>literally the most forgotten form of anyone in DB ever
>>557283317The artist didn't feel like drawing strange looking cabbage.
>>557293731i mean he's pretty much just a modded Super Buu, it's probably pretty cheap to use the same mold
Uh oh, melty
>>557296386Non-canon Manga Special
If Raditz went SSJ2 he wouldn't be able to beat Great Ape Vegeta (Sayian Saga)
>>557293539No he didn't, retard.
Truth is I'm pretty sure Super Saiyan is something you can only even unlock after reaching a certain power level so any Super Saiyan would be comparable to Namek Goku at least, weak shitters couldn't transform no matter what
Probably, it seems the higher you power level is the easier it comes too
>>557302698>Need those S-cells (raughs)
>>557302698GotenTrunksBardock
>>557305394>Goten>TrunksAre strong enough, remember that they at least pressured #18 and the SSJ multiplier wouldn't be enough to do that if their bases weren't also very strong>BardockIncalculable supernova zenkai
>>557305816John Dragonball is too strong...
Uievilgoku enters the room. what do you do?
>>557296386>TARDiyama was trying to ruin Toei's OPUS even during the 90s
>>557309706idk how zoomers find this funny"haha this dud be named john xDD"
>>557302698>>557305720Onio
>>557272608>Between this, the art of Bardock's classic squad having a similar fate as in the OVA and the use of both the Minus armor and the OVA armor I'm convinced Toyotaro really likes classic Bardock, I bet he would choose the original one over Minus' if not for how Jaco-Minus is part of Toriyama's canon, even more so after RoF and BR.Toyotarou has always been an avid DBZ fanboy and Moro is probably the closest Super will ever get to feel like a DBZ arc so it makes sense that he'd prefer Bardock how he was portrayed in the Z era over Toriyama's modern take on him.
>>557313869guess I die
>>557301650Multipliers aren't canon and numbers aren't real. Golden Freeza's powerlevel is like 1300 000 btw.>>557314881Bardock is the only Toei opus
>>557314209God I wish this guy drew Zangya
Came back to Legends just to see if I could pull Vegito with f2p crystals, I hope the person who made the "land the first attack" challenge gets castrated
>>557273693>so he can grow up even stronger MORE
>>557305394>Goten and TrunksBuu arc Goten and Trunks probably are stronger than Namek Goku.>BardockNot in the Manga
>>557318776>Golden Freeza's powerlevel is like 1300 000 btw.Golden Frieza I don't remember him in the Manga
It doesn't matter how strong the Dragon Ball cast gets, they aren't defeating him.
>>557328867Who
>>557328867
>>557337330The strongest fighters know when it's necessary or not to fight.
>>557337330Narutofags using Genjutsu as an 'I win' card is always funny since 1: That kind of ability being broken out of with sheer power / willpower is THE most classic trope ever in shonen, 2: That's exactly how you can break out of it in Naruto and 3: Genjutsus are always useless in Naruto fights, only working when it's to flex on fodder.
>>557338823it's actually a plot point later in that dojin that Goku can instantly break out of any genjutsu, provided he's aware he's in one. he and Itachi fight to a stalemate because Itachi feeds his ego in a genjutsu but it takes so much concentration to keep Goku from figuring it out that Itachi can't actually do anything to him.
>>557339202I know, I read that one, it's pretty neat. It's funny the stalemate is broken by Goku getting too into the illusion and powering up, which start shaking the entire battlefield.
doujin outside of hentai is weird
>>557340734I like how it was just an excuse for the writer to add his coomer OC into the story. as soon as I saw her I knew the creator had to be French. looked him up and whaddayano
>>557341012Technically, it was a coomer FemGoku.
>>557341794still an OC.
Would Bardock still have fans if he looked like this?
>>557347084That's still basically him just with his hair slightly fluffed up.
>>557351113the legless leotard makes him look fruity. I had the same problem with Raditz and Nappa; dangerously close to seeing some shit I don't want to see
>>557347084Do you think Korn would get as much porn as fasha does
>>557351487I think that says a lot more about you than them...
>>557351560Considering how little she gets already, yes.
>>557351803leotards are for women, simple as.
>>557352152Yeah, this says a lot about you...
Leotards are for femboys, but dbg isn't ready for that.
>>557352447that I'm heterosexual, yes.
>>557352152dont let this anon see 80s aerobics videos
>>557352625or athletics
To the anon complaining years ago about SSBE Vegeta not getting new moves in the games, Dokkan gave him Final Impact and Galaxy Breaker.
>>557352625>exercise fad invented by a gay man to appeal to womennot helping your case, friend
Damn, I didn't realize Dragon Ball was like that
I can't read GT and Daima can I? If I want more Dragonball I have to watch it, but that takes like 15 times as long.
SAY IT WITH ME F U A R KUARK
>>557360402the bejita glazing is off the fucking charts
>>557360402Can't believe Dokkan redeemed this dog shit looking power up.
Alright Super Mangobros, tell me the references
>>557361023Blue Ego baby
>>557361023
>>557361208
>>557361380
I honestly feel bad for Daipakeks. They got that temu ass summon animations while the meat, fries, and shakes were given to the "non-canon" and "retconned" sequels.Iyoku knows where the money is gonna land at.
>>557361585jirenbros went real quiet when this hottape mix dropped
>>557361208Good on Bejita for not jobbing after making that thumb pose.He truely evolved past his old self.
>>557360402FUAAAAARK
I hate gekishin squadra so goddamn much
>>557374131Nice armpits
HMSF mating programmes
>>557374759SMHF programs would make more sense. Imagine raising an army of Saiyan hybrids from Goku and Vegeta’s seed and are trained in the Turtle School Style. Earth would become the strongest planet in the multiverse
>>557378773if all the saiyan males are with human females, who are the saiyan females with? gotta think in the third dimension, friend
Legends doesn't really have anything besides a few lame Toriyama ocs and kale ass slap, huh?
>>557282586The ToP arc was 50% of the Super anime and still had its fair share amount of filler, if Super Kai is meant to provide a better, more concise experience closer to Toriyama's vision they are absolutely trimming some filler at least
>>557379528LF animations are some of the best Supers in the franchise. it's a great farm for content to port to Xenoverse. webm related – the Super performed here is Blue Vegetto's LF.
>>557381557Legends LFs ruined Sparking Zero ultimates for me. I would kill for a version of that game where every character has a 30-45 second-long ultimate instead of the brief 15-20 second ones.
>>557381231If "closer to Toriyama's version" was the point, they wouldn't be doing Beerus at all and they'd just air BoG split into episodes. They never said anything about wanting to be closer to "Toriyama's version" which doesn't even really exist for U6-ToP. The rationale is low quality of the series not doing justice to Toriyama. And ToP was notable for an uptick. I'm not saying there absolutely won't be ToP, just that there's a fair chance it won't happen.
calling the DBS remake "Kai" implies that Kai is an improvement, and not cliff notes for niggas with TikTok attention spansverdict: corny
>>557383286>If "closer to Toriyama's version" was the point, they wouldn't be doing Beerus at allAnon the official announcements says the "new Super" will be closer to Toriyama's vision and Toriyama WAS the one who wanted Super to retell BoG
>>557361023>>557361208>>557361380>>557361585>Goku's transformation from chapter 64>Vegeta's transformation from chapter 25>towering auras from chapters 64 and 84>Goku's transformation from chapter 40>Vegeta's flurry kicks from chapter 36>Goku's dash from chapter 41>Goku's transformation from chapter 58>Goku's power up from chapter 60>Goku's god bind from chapter 64>Vegeta's rush from chapter 40>Vegeta's spirit sword from chapter 38>Vegeta's pose from chapter 74
>>557383472Insiders said "Super Kai" is the internal name for the project (probably so they have a way to refer to every enhanced arc at once, not just DBS Beerus)And some pics in the official website seem to match with that apparently they even removed some of them when people noticed
>>557383286>there's a fair chanceDo you really think so? We know BoG is gonna be 6 episodes long, RoF will be 6 too, then how long can Champa and Zamasu be? 10 and 15 at best? Do you think they are gonna have less than 40 episodes for the first four arcs and then leave the ToP's 85 episodes untouched? Absolutely no fucking way
>>557383472there's still too many people out there that really believe kai is the better version of z
>>557386463geek
>>557386463so does that mean we won't get goop zamasu in this remake? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaywq8da6qgThat's a shame, I liked how crazy he was but I guess it's fair trade off fmo lose Jiren Uchiha as well
I thought it was interesting looking at the official character poll in the top 5 spots judging by age, how Gohan is higher up on the list the younger the person is in terms of people in their 20s and 30s.Was Gohan also your guys' favorite because you grew up alongside him as the series progressed?Did you also have a good relationship with your father and looked at him like he was Goku?
>>557389816We don't know, they are clearly not gonna replace everything because that would be too much work for Toei. I would say goomasu stays because they won't bother doing entirely new long scenes for Zamasu's final battles
If DBS Beerus is trimmed from 14 to 6 eps, we can use that to somewhat work out about how long each of the other arcs will be>DBS Beerus - 6 eps (originally 14)>DBS Frieza - 6 eps (originally 12)>DBS Hit - 6 eps (originally 14)>DBS Zamasu - 10 eps (originally 20)>DBS Jiren - 24 eps (originally 55) Would bring the total to give or take 52, a year's worth of eps to bridge the gap between fall 2026 to fall 2027 when the Moro arc is meant to start, so there's no hiatus period
>>557387153>The Garlic Jr. Saga is so peak
>>557391386I think 10 is the perfect amount of episodes for Champa arc>introduction to Champa and the Super DBs>preparation for the tournament and arrival at the nameless planet>written test and Goku vs Botamo, ends just before Frost>whole battle against Frost>Piccolo fight, then Vegeta oneshotting Frost>Vegeta vs Magetta, then start of Cabba>end of Cabba's fight and Hit enters>Vegeta vs Hit>Goku vs Hit>vs Hit ending and finaleMaybe shorten here and there to have 9 but only 6 episodes is probably way too short
>>557390831I didn't get into the series until I was an adult so I never related with him like that; I related more to Goku and Piccolo
>>557245240Why? She's a ChiChifag AND a massive shotacon. Kamehasutra is right up her alley.
>>557392805 8 might be a better fit. Considering they're cutting Beerus down from 14 to 6, it looks like they won't spend much time at all on fluff>>557393572 I'd think saiyans would give eachother meat for valentines instead of candy like in that Invader Zim ep
>>557395273is she a babe?
>>557402706 I've never seen any photos of her irl, but she's purportedly a chunky black woman going off of her avatar and how she's described herself. She's apparently attended cons where she sells her work. She uses the handles Chauvels and Glassfish as well for her Sonic and shotacon stuff
>>557404379I'll mix some cream in that cocoa if the chunk is in the right places.
King Yenma only gave Chioatzu and the rest their bodies back because of the recommendation of Kami, and Vegeta his body back explicitly because all of the universe was at stake. The Androids came without warning, unlike the Sayians, so the rest of Z warriors wouldn't have their bodies and wouldn't be able to revived. Goku would again be dead to natural causes, so would have his body, and with King Kai he can tell Gohan where New Namek is, and Gohan can teleport all of humanity to New Namek so 17 and 18 still lose, and Trunks has no reason to go back.
>>557411852why wouldn't kami be able to reccomend them to give their bodies back a second time? Why wouldn't that reccomendation simply stand a second time after they die again? Piccolo got to keep his body as well after all and he died basically the same time kami does
>>557412116No there's like paper work Kami has to fill out, and turn in to let people keep their bodies and because the Androids were a suprise he didn't fill out the paper work in advance.
>>557412258do you have any evidence that this is how this works
>>557412680Something somoething japanese heaven being bureaucratic something something myth reference something something
>>557412680Why the fuck would King Yenma give a fuck about Chiaotzu otherwise.
>>557413689The divine bureaucracy has never been a particularly strict thing in dragonball at all and just kind of goes off of vibes >>557413732I just assumed it's just "if you're a good boy you go to heaven and keep your body, elsewise you go to hell and get cleansed.
>>5574118521. Gohan doesn't have IT2. Otherworlders aren't supposed to have contact with the Living. Goku and King Kai doing it in Z was specifically because of their personal friendship, and because of extenuating circumstances. There is zero reason to expect they'd have that same permission just because they died to the androids.
>>557404379Oh...thats gross
I really don't understand where people are getting the idea that Goku and co would just ever have their requests denied by the divine beuocracy? It's never protrayed as this ultra strict thing that you HAVE to abide by a bunch of shit. King kai is just kind of down for whatever and enma seems mostly down for stuff as long as you're a good person and respectful. Neither of them would have any in character reason to deny anything and there's no evidence they would do so
>>557415415>2. Otherworlders aren't supposed to have contact with the Living.Anon baba just kind of recruits a bunch of otherworlders to use as fighters for fun. No one cares
>>557414021>I just assumed it's just "if you're a good boy you go to heaven and keep your body, elsewise you go to hell and get cleansed.the "lore" flipflops on that constantly, but i remember dying meant becoming a soul no matter what: people keeping bodies was an exception. Except then everyone kept their bodies for tournaments, and even people in hell did somehowso uuuuh toriyama forgot
>>557416137the Otherworld hadn't really been established as a place yet in the baba saga. it isn't until Goku dies that Toriyama actually tried to explain things.
>>557416480I mean even then not really? All kami really had to do seemingly was yoink goku's body and ask pretty nicely about it. Literally the ark afterwords we see everyone with their body just fine in otherworld as well so it never really seemed like all that hard of a thing to accomplish as long as you assumedly have kami to vouch for you and you're assumedly a good person anyways and would go to heaven
Also, the biggest example of otherworld noninterference was Goku choosing to not interact with the world of the living after he died. But honestly this mostly seemed like a personal thing to me than any sort of hard rule that could realistically be enforced on Goku? If he genuinely wanted to come back he easily could of but didn't because of his "muh next generation" autism
>>557415415>There is zero reason to expect they'd have that same permission just because they died to the androids.Goku contacted Gohan to participate in a random tournament with no stakes. There's no need for permission for the dead to communicate with the living, they mostly just choose not to.
>>557404379 She also loves portraying Goku as some kind of sex god, particularly with ChiChi, which is pretty funny considering he's canonically never even kissed her lol
>>557417415at that point Goku was a universal hero with special privileges, specifically because of his battle with Cell.
>>557418205there was no indication that being a hero gave him any more special privilages that he already had otherwise. Back in saiyan saga king kai was explicitly training him on the expectation that this currently dead person would just be revived and go back to fight anyways with zero qualms about "dead shouldn't interfere" Like where are we even getting this from? Has king kai ever said that he doesn't want dead interfereing with the living?
>>557418458Yemma only let him through in the Saiyan Saga because Kami explicitly vouched for him that time.
>>557418798Looking at that scene again Enma didn't seem like he needed kami to vouch for goku at all though. If anything he's just kind of confused that goku would bother doing this at all instead of just going to heaven like a normal person and easily just kind of lets him through once they're sure that this is what they want
>>557419031because Kami was there. that's why Kami was with him.
>>557418205>specifically because of his battle with Cell.Why would helping kill Cell do that when Cell never did anything beyond Earth? Buu is what would make him into an universal hero since Enma actively helped him out.>>557418458The only time he EVER did that is in Bojack Unbound. Even then he doesn't care about it afterwards and is smiling at Goku for "acting recklessly". The whole "dead can't interfere with the living" headcanon is to explain away the future timeline.
>>557419107i'm pretty sure the main reason goku is there is that he's pretty much never been to otherworld and wouldn't even know who to ask or what to do to get to kaio. His achievements seemed to speak for itself more than anything. Either way king enma himself seemingly had zero qualms about this whole thing and was more confused about it if anything same for king kai. No god has ever been a stickler about noninterference rules, it's just not a thing
>>557419461Cell had the capacity to be a universal threat, being much stronger than Frieza (who was already a major problem according to King Kai) in addition to being able to teleport and being functionally immortal save for a very specific weakness.
if there were some kind of extremely strict rule about noninterference with dead with the living you would assume the gods would have much more of a problem with the dragonballs but they evidently dont. Aside from old kai but no one listens to that guy
This argument ends in Gero still losing even if Yenma isn't as generous as some people think.>>557414021>I just assumed it's just "if you're a good boy you go to heaven and keep your body, elsewise you go to hell and get cleansed.That's not true, Kami has to specifically ask for Goku.>>557415415>Gohan doesn't have IT Neither did the Goku that went to Old Namek in six days. There is nothing to say Old Namek is farther from Earth.>Otherworlders aren't supposed to have contact with the Living.First, I don't remember that. So source.>Goku and King Kai doing it in Z was specifically because of their personal friendshipGoku and King Kai are still personal friends even if he died of natural causes.>>557415629I just see no reason why King Yenma would do anything special for the Z warriors, he doesn't know them and it sounds like until they fought Buu he didn't respect them.
>>557421201>I just see no reason why King Yenma would do anything special for the Z warriors, he doesn't know them and it sounds like until they fought Buu he didn't respect them.We've never seen him ever deny a request to go see king kai or have their bodies is the point of this conversation. so i'm not sure why he suddenly would do so in the future trunks timeline. Also the only thing kami had to explicitly ask for enma was permission to go see king kai. goku was never given permission to have his body he simply has it
>>557421496because Kami was there.
>>557421681why would kami only need to ask for permission to see king kai and not to give a dead soul its body back, which is much more enma's domain
>>557420775Yeah, he could be, but the only one who was even aware of him is Kaio, and only after Goku told him about Cell. Dead interfering with the living is not a problem because there was never such a rule to begin with. It's just headcanon.>>557420935>if there were some kind of extremely strict rule about noninterference with dead with the living you would assume the gods would have much more of a problem with the dragonballs but they evidently dont.They never mention such a rule at any point too. Enma whose entire job is related to the dead reacted with mild confusion at Goku being alive again over any autistic rage of a dead person coming back to life.>Aside from old kai but no one listens to that guyAnd since he was so easily convinced, it's not that strict to begin with. He was against the dragon balls because they go against nature/are cosmic cheat codes (depending on the translation) but never forbade them from having dragon balls, just to not use them for other planets.
>>557421962>Enma whose entire job is related to the dead reacted with mild confusion at Goku being alive again over any autistic rage of a dead person coming back to life.Checked scans here and it's a little different than what I thought, he was surprised at how fast Goku is, that he returned at all.
>>557420775 If Cell had won against Gohan and destroyed the earth, he would've just gone out into the universe going planet to planet looking for more strong people to fight and spread fear and chaos. He would've either been Majin'd by Badidi, or in the unlikely event he managed to kill Babidi and Dabura, he would've eventually been destroyed by Beerus after he woke up for being an unruly agent of destruction. Cell doesn't strike me as the sort who would subordinate himself to Beerus like Frieza did, even if it was wise for survival. He'd probably try to fight him, get his ass beat down then try to trick him out of desperation before getting hakaid. I don't think it would be in character for Cell to try and run away with IT, since he believes he's perfection and his pride wouldn't allow him to accept he doesn't stand a chance against Beerus
>>557422457It is very likely that cell could have become a threat to the universe, but we have no proof that the divines cared at all about cell. The opposite really, King kai didn't know what was going on for earth at all and didn't really care all that much until it was literally right in front of him
Who in Dragonball could stop Cell? Dabra is AT BEST on par with Super Perfect Cell, and possibly as weak as Imperfect Cell. Kaioshin sees Dabra as an INSANE threat, Shin is definitely scared of Dabra. Majin Buu is sealed, and without Goku and Vegeta Babadi is going to have to take days to unseal him.If we accept something beyond Dragonball as canon for this discussion then maybe, but all evidence points to Super Perfect Cell being untouchable in the Dragonball manga to anyone except Buu and Dabra.
>>557422928>but we have no proof that the divines cared at all about cell.If Buu saga is any hint, Enma would find the amount of people killed to be weird but wouldn't know what was killing them. Gods just don't pay much attention to Earth.
>>557422928 Whis surely would've informed Beerus when he woke up that Cell killed the remaining saiyans on earth and has been rampaging for years across the universe. Maybe Beerus would've just gone back to sleep and not cared since Cell was doing his destroyer job for him. Or he would've been pissed Cell ruined his chance to fight the SSG he was waiting for and went to find and destroy him
>>557423998Beerus wouldn't kill Cell because Cell is the last surviving U7 Sayian
>>557424248 Nah there'd still be Tarble and Broly, so Cell's expendable
>>557421496>goku was never given permission to have his body he simply has itBecause Kami explicitly took Goku's body. He doesn't just have it, Goku having it is explicitly Kami's doing.
>>557426519He never needed to get permission to do that is my point, anon. Kami just did that despite that being much farther in enma's jurisdiction than the king kai stuff
>>557426652Are you saying King Kai is going to give the Z-warriors their bodies?
>>557422457It is possible that being humbled by a god, not a child, may cause Cell to bend the knee.
>>557430479I dont think cell would ever really bend the knee given he bases his entire being around being perfect
>>557431219The prospect of becoming a god might make him reconsider it. Especially if the other option is perma-death.
>>557430479>his evil side comes from demon king PiccoloCell was born to be a bad loser
>>557391957not to take the bait, but because they don't animate anime the way they did in the 90's anymore, i'm really glad original DBZ has a bunch of 'filler' that lets me spend more time with the cast and in the world of Dragon Ball. Garlick Jr. and the Dead Zone are pretty cool. i got Garlick Jr. over Gomah on a list all day.
>>557426878>>557426652King Kai isn't even watching Earth during the Android Saga how is he going to give Piccolo his body.
>>557433032why are we assuming that king kai would give people their bodies back though where is this coming from that's not what I said. All I said is that Kami can seemingly just give bodies back independent of enma
>>557433290That's definitely true but I don't know why you said it.
>>557433951I'm honestly not sure I feel like i've lost the plot of where this conversation was going. I think it's an extension on the gero stuff as to whether or not they'd have their bodies after getting nuked by the androids
>>557432258Oh, there's no doubt he'll try to off him the first chance he gets and be promptly squashed for it. I just don't think he'll needlessly throw himself onto certain death against Beerus in their first encounter.
>>557422457when the Otherworld stuff was written, Beerus didn't exist. Babidi was enough of a threat the Supreme Kais felt need to step down to the mortal realm to deal with him personally. Cell was supposedly around as strong as Dabura.
>>557435630Which Cell
>>557435819yeah I guess this basically solves it. they'd be able to get their bodies just fine post androids even if it was a surprise
>>557435819the way Vegeta acts when Gohan fights Dabura, presumably Super Perfect.
>>557435895that depends on if Kami is able to do that after dying. Chiaotsu died several hours before Piccolo and thus Kami did. does Kami even go to Otherworld when Piccolo died? He kinda just faded out of existence. either way, it shows it required specific intervention from Kami
>>557436168I mean, someone had to have given piccolo his body and kami died the same time as piccolo
>>557434069Yeah it is the conversation is about if King Yenma would make the Z-warriors bodies. King Yenma definitely has the power to return the bodies to souls as seen in Buu saga. As is stated in the image that was supposed to be attached to my post >>557435819 Kami made the bodies in the Sayian Saga. Yenma seems to have personally made a body because Buu was going to destroy the universe. Yenma doesn't think 17 and 18 are going to destroy the universe if he knows who they are.>>557435895Fuck no? The Sayians killing everyone wasn't a suprise, Nappa litteraly SAT FUCKING DOWN FOR THREE HOURS after Chiaotzu died. Assuming Kami didn't know the Z warriors were cooked in the 10 months before the Sayians arrived, he knew in those three hours.Everyone except Gohan died in *one battle* against the Androids it was probably over in less than ten minutes.
>>557432951actually, i got Garlick over Super Android 13 and Hatchiyack, too. i'm not even picking on Daima.
>>557436349This never says that kami needed some kind of prep time in order to make the bodies, though. Just that he did. I've never seen any kind of evidence that implies he needs prep time to do so anywyas so i'm not sure where this proposition even comes from
>>557436247Piccolo's body wasn't destroyed like Chiaotsu's was. Kami probably had already taken Yamcha and Tien to Yemma by the time Piccolo died, so it's reasonable to assume he had told Yemma there's a good chance Piccolo (and Gohan and Krillin) could die in the immediate future and asked Yemma to allow them through as well in the event Piccolo and thus he died.
>>557435979No Vegeta gets pissed at how bad Gohan was doing and the Vegeta said Gohan was probably weaker than he was back then. If he was going even with a Super Cell level opponent that would make him just as strong, assuming Gohan went into SSJ2 which I don't know why everyone thinks he did.
>>557436734We can see the Z fighter's bodies just laying on the floor right there when goku arrives there, so it's not like he took them or anything. There's also zero evidence that Kami did any such thing so I'm sorry anon I simply do not buy your explanation. The simplest argument is he just made the bodies in otherworld and so he could do so when the androids arrived. It's not like any of this matters becasue as a seperate anon brought up this still wouldn't even stop android saga from being able to be stopped from otherworld
I'm probably alone here but I think the Saiyaman X are some of the best designs Toriyama made for nuDB, they really look old fashioned and goofy normally, but when they show their faces and specially when they go SS, when they try to be cool? They look amazing, simple but effective designs, and the way they have the white and the dark grey inverted from one Saiyaman to the other is neat too, these super hero designs shit on Gohan's one
>>557436496Kami has to specifically request for Goku to go onto Snake way. That's the prep time needed he has to have a conversation with Yenma presumably about everyone he wants to send on Snake Way.>>557437037Where's your evidence that Yenma let's any random motherfucker with a body go on Snake way. We only see it once and Kami has to come with Goku.
>>557437379Why are we talking about snake way, though? The argument in question is whether nor not Kami has the authority to give the dead their bodies back whenever, which we see him do several times and there's no evidence that he needs to ask enma to do this. So unless you can give me any evidence, any at all that kami needs enma's intervention in order to remake bodies then my explanation stands. No more assumptions, give me an actual quote from the manga that suggests he needs to ask enma SPECIFICALLY about giving people bodies
>>557437249 It'd be good if the designs were used for something actually worth a shit instead of yet more unfunny super sentai parody shit. Literally the only time this was done well in DB was the Ginyu Force. With Saiyaman it was a bit funny only because people thought it was lame and shit on Gohan for it. Now they're just doing it unironically
>>557437037clearly, Toriyama forgot that their physical body disapparates in the mortal realm when they get restored in Otherworld.
>>557437873when Goku says to the gang after Cell "I get to keep my body because of all the times I saved the world"it strongly implies that what Kami did during the saiyan saga was an unusual occurance, or that some other higher power granted him that privilege besides Dende.Snake Way is a different path from Otherworld Proper. Yemma sits at the entrance to Otherworld, deciding which parts people go to. if Goku had decided to go to heaven rather than Snake Way, he probably would've been turned into one of those ghost-tail spirits. Snake Way is basically in purgatory.
>>557438705All that implies is that Enma himself can let you keep your body if he decides you worthy of having it, which is something we already knew and had established. If anything it just shows the opposite of what you said and that you WOULD have your body in heaven if enma deems you worthy of having it which the Z fighters probably would be due to risking their lives to save the world. If anything this even MORE suggests that they would have their body in the bad future androids saga if they were worthy enough to have them all the way back in saiyan saga
>>557437873Kami doesn't need Yenma's approval to give them their bodies back, but the Dragonballs can't wish people as strong as the Z warriors back to life against their will, we never see somebody go to heaven and get brought to life in Dragonball, in fact it is said by Karin that you shouldn't ressurect people who are at peace in heaven.We also never see somebody with their body in heaven. There are so many unknowns down this you get your body restored but can't go down Snake Way shit.
>>557439838>We also never see somebody with their body in heaven.I'm not actually sure we see any of heaven just in general aside from Goku but it's pretty heavily implied that there's other people with their body there, given that other kaio wanted to have some guy fight goku. I also imagine it would have been very hard for goku to learn the fusion dance if the metamorean there did not have a body to show him how to do it
>>557440047Do legendary good warriors from other Galaxies just have to go to heaven then? I am stupid, I assumed everyone Goku was talking about was on like the East, West and South Kai's homes. Was it explicitly heaven that Goku met the metamorans in or just "otherworld"
>>557438195It could just be that Kami teleported Goku's body to keep it safe for his resurrection.
>>557440308legitimately impossible to know because what exactly heaven is is never established at all anywhere. Like you would assume goku is in heaven given that chapter title with the wings and everything but like who the fuck knows really. Otherworld in general that's not hell is basically just treated like heaven anyways by buu saga desu
>>557241302No it isnt. Especially considering the subhuman fans it has.
>>557440308>>557440047Either way, we never see somebody who has lived in Heaven for an extended period get wished back. And it's said to be something you shouldn't do, would Gohan really take away Piccolo's heaven to fight the Androids again?>>557440539I mean the question at the behind this debate is "can the Androids even force the Time Machine to be the actual last resort", we can answer "is it likely that the Androids can force the Time Machine out after is it even possible considering the other rules.Thinking about it again. I think I was wrong about New Namek being nearby. It takes the Sayians 330 days to get from where ever the fuck they were to Earth, and then 18 days to Frieza Planet #79, then 16 days to get to old Namek. New Namek doesn't have to be less than a months trip from Earth. Even if Gohan learns of New Namek who says he can leave and come back and not find humanity extinct.
>>557441770I mean, why would gohan even need to learn about new namek? The only way he can possibly learn its location is through king kai and king kai can directly contact the namekians himself no gohan required
>>557441770>would Gohan really take away Piccolo's heaven to fight the Androids again?I can't really see piccolo ever choosing to leave gohan to his fate alone against the androids if he had a chance to do anything about it. I also can't really see why piccolo and the other Z fighters cant petition Enma themselves to go see king kai. He sees it as a worse alternative than going to heaven after all so im not sure why he'd deny their request
>>557441870Another problem has hit Gero's plan. That's right, nobody needs to leave Earth for New Namek to make the wish, even if the Namekians wouldn't listen to King Kai, they would listen to Goku who is definitely with King Kai, becuase Goku died when Kami was nowhere near dying. The wish to warp all of humanity to New Namek can be fired off without traveling there. Well... I think the Z warriors win no matter who has bodies again. >>557442080I don't know how heaven works, can you even miss or desire to help somebody like thatin heaven? Fuck if I know.
>>557442692I feel like you're taking that one comment from Korin way too seriously. Besides we see grandpa gohan come back from the dead just fine with his body. I doubt heaven is some kind of nirvana esque place where you're at constant peace it's probably just another planet in otherworld like everything else is there
>>557442692You forget that one of Gero's spybots went with them to New Namek specifically to build a bomb to blow it up to prevent that scenario.
you know speaking of gero's bombs. If he has bombs capable of killing things as strong as android 16 why didn't he just use those to kill goku?
>>557443331What if he out ran it? Can't be too careful!
>>557443514that's what grappling is for. He saw how effective it could be with the saibamen and 16 tries to do something similar. All they have to do is sneak in range with their undetectable ki and detonate and he wins
>>557443331Future Gero saw Goku teleporting to kill Freeza and Cold and decided against any grappling plan there's a chance Goku could just teleport away.
>>557443827wouldn't he be able to tell that goku's IT takes anything that he's touching given the roshi glasses thing? grappling would invalidate that
>>557443331the greater question is why he didn't put them in himself and 19, marshmallow man could've blown goku up like twice during their fight
>>557443051I mean, Gohan was only back temporarily, and he knew that I'm pretty sure.Anyway it's about if Gohan would bring Piccolo back, Gohan seems like the type to overthink it and leave it be rather than risk messing it up.>>557442692Let me correct those wishes. Goku contacts the New Namekains with the following, plan provided by King Kai and Gohan.1. Find a planet capable of supporting Earth's population2. Teleport every mortal except the one's known as Gohan, 17 and 18 off Earth to New Earth2.5. Once everyone is off the Earth have Gohan blow up the Earth, so 17 and 18 can't find or make a Spaceship from what's left behind3. Teleport Son Gohan to New EarthThe Androids provably aren't going to be a problem, and if you really feel the need to deal with them, you control when you engage with them, if you die you can always be brought back. Fool proof.
New question. Why was Babadi delayed in Cell's and Trunk's timeline?
>>557443613The man was a true genius.
I wonder what people thought the deal was with 16 back in the day before toriyama revealed that he was a copy of gero's son. He's just this weird ass pascifist android that doesn't do much of anything and it's never explained. >>557444245The main fantheory i've seen is babidi purposefully waited for humanity to rebound a bit so he could take more energy from them to make reviving buu easier
>>557444245Probably because Earth was a shithole so he waited for it to regrow its stocks.
I guess this is controversial because 16 having the same powers as 17 and 18 is controversial, but I assume 16 powers his bomb and the bomb is powerful because he is. A specialized organ for a suicide energy attack, like how he has the cannons that either allow him to shoot energy beams or grant him stronger energy beams.
>>557444320We assumed his pacifism was the main defect.
>>557444593then why would gero be hyping him up as this super dangerous monster that would kill everyone
>>557422457I like to think that once Cell killed the Z-Fighters, or even just Goku and Gohan, he might have mellowed out a bit. With his original objective achieved I think the Frieza and Piccolo DNA would have made him content to rule Earth rather than blow it up like he threatened.
>>557447161Because he didn't want them ruining it before he fixed him?
>>557395273Dunno, she always seemed to normie friendly to make that kind of reference.
DBLfag here. Those dokkan animations are amazing. Do they go all out like this during every celebration or is it a dice roll like with our units?
>>557439838Again with this Demon death causes purgatory I wonder exactly who qualifies for that like King Piccolo and his spawn, what about people like Kami/Nail/Piccolo, Mr. Popo, hell Glinds in general are the only specific demon race we know of through we haven't seem them kill anyone on screen in canon, in the alternate future shin/Nahare was killed by Babibi, actually wasn't Kibito killed by Debura,? Not only a demon but the at the time current Demon King aka the strongest demon in the realm yet he easily fell to Babibi,who seemed to have also been a resident of that realm's magic to the point the very first time we see what Debura was like without the brainwashing was Daima. So Demon death can't be undone by Shenron yet Kibito was revived by Shenron, why? Goku was killed by Piccolo yet was revived by Shenron, what exactly do they mean by him no longer being a demon? as if it's something you can shead when Daima says what makes a demon a demon is just pointy ears which Piccolo still has to the current day. Does this mean if Panzy or Glorio ever murdered someone they couldn't revive them with shenron or even the super dragon balls? That's cracked even Angels can't revive them.Dragonball lore is very confusing and contradictory
>>557361023>>557361167>>557361208>>557361380>>557361585If the Remaster fights don't look like this then I see no point in it being a thing. I don't want to see the same lame, shitty final explosion SSBE Vegeta did but less ugly, nor do I want to see a slightly less sloppy version of the same underwhelming Final Kamehamha Vegito fired that got one-upped by FighterZ. Give me something new.
>>557452064Anon that scene does not say that shenron cant ressurect people killed by demons. Krillin was killed by tambourine who was considered a demon and was revived There is no contradiction here
>>557452052Anniversary and Global Download Celebration in August/September are where the devs go all out with the animations.
>You look pretty strong, let's fight!>What do you mean you don't hit girls?!
>>557458557>pats her head instead
>>557460346based>reaches over to pat monkey head>get nukeddoesn't work on all beings unfortunately
>>557458557Cute
>>557460884Every woman has the same weakness, if I tell I love her she'll hate it but she won't be able to kill me either
>>557458504Demon milf sexo
>>557462242No, monkey women will absolutely kill you still
>>557463712Thinking back on the tournament of power this whole thing was pretty damn scuffed and ambitious for Toei, Toriyama and ToyotaroI mean 80 characters fighting at once with color commentary from their representative gods of destruction, supreme kais and angels and the zenos and grand priest is a crazy amount of characters to get through especially for a 45 minute battle royal for the sake of giving every universe a fair shot at screen time they should of just done it bracket style and maxed the number out at 3 or 5 members per group but man, universe 3, universe 4universe 9, 10 really got sacked with some bad designs nobody's gonna wanna see more of those fuckers it's amazing the galss tribe that heroes made up is the most universe 3's contribution to the franchise will ever be and there wasn't even a glass person in the actual tournament it's crazy
>>557465002Somehow worse in the manga, even less of them have any sort of personality, much less character arcs.
>>557464617Explain Gine not killing Bardockor Fasha not killing Bardockor Towa not killing Bardockor SKoT raping bardockor museli raping bardockor kamin raping bardockor aios not raping / killing bardock
We're watching the Sparking Zero CPUs fight if anyone wants to join us>>>/v/733050859
>>557465931Bardock only ever sexed Gine and didn't even headpat the others
>>557466861do you not know what rape is?
>>557467785I know what rape is.
>>557465931Only two of those are Saiyans, anon
>>557465002>it's amazing the galss tribe that heroes made upI thought they were from U7
>>557469174They were, since they were killed off by Chilled. Hearts also says "And here I thought Lagss was the last survivor", so they both are from U7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-2s3gtMB2oKefla's GS trailer.>She's built around vanishing, her passive lowers vanish CD, and her skills do more damage if she vanishes>Her rush attack targets multiple characters>She can either vanish while attacking, or vanish while charging an attack>Her ult is a movable version of Bojack's. Naturally she can vanish during itSurprisingly no stuns or CC immunity.
>>557472423>Built around vanishingHuh...that's interesting
>>557472423That's actually pretty clever given her big moment of blitzing past Goku.
>>557471375Why did Heroes ship Pan/Hit?Is it because his head looks like a penis?
>>557465002Ambitious for sure. They had to pull out 65 new named fighters on top of showing all the other GoD, Kai and angels at once which is another 30 designs. Realistically not all of the fighters/universes were going to stand out but they found good ways to use a lot of them. The last stand for universe 2 where the 3 dudes transformed into the Ribrianne trio was a fun gag twist.
>>557479782>The last stand for universe 2 where the 3 dudes transformed into the Ribrianne trio was a fun gag twist.When the entire universe get erased with a smile on their face was great too.
>>557465002I dunno, I thought some Universe 3 and 4 fighters were pretty neat at least, plus they both lasted pretty long compared to everyone else. 9 and 10 were definitely done dirty though.
>>557479782>>557480674Now that ya mention Universe 2, it is peculiar how they had a Yardrat, a Tuffle, an off-brand Rildo, and a mini-Hatchiyack on their team. I wonder if Saiyans and Namekians also exist in the other universes.
>>557463712Weird how the Universe 3 guy that looks like Anilaza is a component of Anilaza
Bump.
>>557444245It's mentioned in the manga, he just needed way more time in Trunks world (weaker people)
>>557472423>One of Kefla's MVP animations is taken from her Fighterz victory animationMaybe there is hope for 21 in that game after all
>>557452064>So Demon death can't be undone by Shenron???
>>557259520>>557259763>>557260234Why is this actually a thing
>>557465254I prefer my ToP to be shorter and focusing the writing and character arc on the main antagonist thank you>noooo you need to see the lesbians holding hands and U7 fighting everyone there's no time to bother making the protagonist of the other side of the story remotely interestingNo thanks. Thank god nobody will ever see this piece of shit of an arc as the last DB arc no matter what media they prefer
>>557498110>focusing the writingWhich was non-existent in the manga.>shorterAKA shallow.
Nice strawman, but it didn't even do that. Jiren is worse in the manga.
>>557498110What fucking writing? What antagonist? Jiren is still the same slab of boring meat, if not worse. At least the anime made an ATTEMPT with Goku and Frieza working together being the thing that finally took him down. The manga has him cheap shot at the last second.
>>557498672>Jiren is still the same slab of boring meat,Jiren is cool in the anime.
>>557498110If you don't want to focus on the other universes don't include a tournament with 8 universes. Toyotaro are you retarded?
>>557498493 My biggest issue with Jiren in the manga is he doesn't develop as a character, all the focus is on his obsession with his master and him being so damn stupid he never realised his master wanted him to use teamwork. The only thing we get is literally a couple frames with Dyspo saying "Hey, maybe let us help you out a bit more" and Jiren just austitically mumbles "yeah, sure, okay". The anime focuses a lot more on Jiren's history and how that made him who he is and can't change because he's so stuck in his ways. Ep 131 is so good in showing the full breadth of Jiren's character journey
>>557500054The TOP being longer also make you really FEEL what Jiren is. It take Belmod's word about Jiren's tactic to just take his opponent's best shot and crushing it alongside their spirit and actually SHOWS it to you.Dude basically turned what was technically his universe's final stand into everyone else's final stand because he was pushing them back THAT overwhelmingly.
>>557360402kill yourself you unfunny cretin
>>557498471>>557498672>>557498493>anime Jiren backstory is generic Sasuke "his family was killed" and then "oh and his master was killed too" and for that alone we get to the guy being GoD tier and somehow in a super hero team despite being a massive dickhead who mocks the death of innocents and tries to kill innocents himself out of spite, then two guys pushing him very hard together beat him, that's the beginning and the end of his character>manga Jiren backstory is being the student of the U11 GoD's old comrade in arms, a pure hearted guy who doesn't kill even the most evil villains and didn't want to join the tournament because the idea of saving his own innocent people to condemn others in the process was too much for him, he works alone for personal preference and that's exactly the reason his master made him join the Pride Troopers before passing, the same team he and Belmod once joined. Resurrecting his master and getting his blessing is the only selfish wish Jiren has, to the point his own teammates are surprised a saint-like guy like him can even have such a human and mundane desire, what Jiren doesn't know is that his strength isn't what master Gicchin wanted to improve, but his rapport with others, something Belmod thought as nonsense. When actual teamwork and strategy take him down it's not just Jiren who loses and Goku and co who win, it's also Belmod's defeat against the late Gicchin's belief and actual proof more brute force doesn't always mean victoryYou have never ever read a single page of the ToP arc and it shows.
who gives a fuck about non-canon DB Shitper
>>557503336>shartngadidn't read
>>557503336>generic SasukeJiren and Sasuke's backstory are completely different. They are as 'similar' as Goku's backstory is to theirs.
The remake should have aired since Spring 2025. Waiting until Autumn for BoG and then Winter for RoF is laughable.
>>557504331Goku's backstory doesn't involve his beloved ones being killed by an evildoer, making him a terrible person who once joined a team of good guys but is actually just focused on getting stronger to encounter again the terrible guy who took everything from him.
>>557503336More. In the anime>Jiren's loss doesn't matter, he has two of them and are fully interchangeable, they only exists to tell you he's so frustrated he trained hard and became GoD tier like that>Jiren's wish doesn't matter in fact we aren't even told what his wish actually is, getting his family back? His master? The innocents that died at the ToP like you would expect from a hero? Wait no, because the next point>Jiren's career doesn't matter, or rather it doesn't make sense because this guy mocks his opponent's imminent death and then tries to murder his friends too, am I supposed to consider this guy the greatest hero of his universe?>Jiren's team doesn't matter, or rather doesn't make sense either, why is someone who only trusts his own strength part of a team? What made him join the Pride Troopers? Who knows, who cares>Jiren's belief doesn't matter since he's actually in the right, more power means more wins, he only losses when he's tired and two guys overpower him at once, that's his lesson about "trust">Jiren's god doesn't matter, you could assign him to any other rival universe and nothing about the writing would change because Belmod just happens to be the GoD of Jiren's universe and nothing else>Jiren's opposition doesn't matter, or Jiren himself doesn't matter I would say, because nothing from who he is is ever challenged, mirrored or represented the other way around through his opponents, nothing about masters faze him, seeing loss doesn't shake him, people with greater morals than his "hero" ass aren't a factor, dexterity never reigns triumphant over strength at the end and the strategy that is supposed to teach us our protagonists are in the right and Jiren was in the wrong all along is "when someone is stronger than you just wait until he's so exhausted he can't defend himself from your attacks"Anime's Jiren isn't even a character, he's a piece of cardboard, anime's Toppo would have been a way more interesting main antagonist.
>>557498493Both Jirens are poorly written characters.
>Manga Jiren is a pure sweet saintly boi who never wants to hurt anyone What is with toyolocos trying to gaslight others into thinking manga Jiren is some pure-hearted Superman? He acts like an asshole plenty of times and mocks his opponents, especially Goku, we see this ALOT. Everything he does is because his massa told him to, so his character just feels completely subsidiary to Gicchin (a dead off-panel character we never see, even in a flashback) and even Belmod. We're never told why Jiren is the way he is, why he's so obssessed with his master, he just is
>>557505376>Goku's backstory doesn't involve his beloved ones being killed by an evildoerFreeza killing his parents.And Sasuke's family wasn't killed by an 'evildoer' but by his brother who tortured him too and turned out to be a good guy.>making him a terrible personExcept that didn't happen, Jiren instead became a genuine hero who tried to take down the evildoer with his foundfamily but lost and then got abandoned by said family. Which is when he became a selfish power-obsessed dick who still protected people.>to encounter again the terrible guy who took everything from him.Which isn't Jiren's objective at all, he gave that up when all his friends abandoned him after he lost and he was a genuine hero at that point.Jiren is basically 'What if Goku's friends just bailed when he lost against Piccolo Daimao the first time?'.
>>557503336>>557507158>If I cry while screaming that nothing matters, the manga will finally look good.All you did is describe all the cool stuff Jiren has going for him as a character, going 'it doesn't matter' after it doesn't change anything.'If you remove every part of his character, he's a piece of cardboard' isn't a valid argument.
>>557508009The closest thing to manga Jiren being an asshole is him not wanting to talk to one of the innocents he thinks he's gonna kill (Goku), which happened once. You haven't read the manga, why are you pretending otherwise?>>557508570>having nothing to his character or to contribute to the story is "all the cool stuff" he had as a characterKek I absolutely agree, if you look at Nothing you will find all the great things he had as character. Very well said.
>>557508430>and turned out to be a good guy."Good guy Itachi" used a Tsukuyomi so intense that it put Sasuke in a coma that only Tsunade could save him from (Or at least, only shit could wake him up quickly), and is directly what led to Sasuke abandoning the village and becoming a criminal. And Kishimoto likes to claim he planned from the start that Itachi was a good guy all along too... What a hack.
I personally feel like arguing about whether or not manga or anime Jiren is the more interesting character is missing the forest for the trees. Dragonball has never cared for in depth villians as much as it cares for them being fun characters to watch them do what they do. I don't think Anime or Manga jiren is any more fun to watch do what he does in either medium. Anime edges out a bit in the sense of good animation of watching him get beat up is fun, but as a character he's never really fun in any rendition
>>557508912>The closest thing to manga Jiren being an asshole is him not wanting to talk to one of the innocents he thinks he's gonna kill (Goku)
Every character is worse in the manga.
>>557508430>people Goku doesn't rememberSo not people Goku loves>turned out to be a good guyThat was introduced later, as far backstory goes Sasuke's family was killed by a bad guy.>Jiren becoming a terrible person didn't happenWhy are you lying?>no bro Jiren is a parallel of Goku in the Piccolo arc!You could be a GoD candidate if you are capable of such mental gymnastics. No that's not right it's never said suggested or implied he's just a guy very frustrated because people he loved died and the story never frames him as a Goku parallel in any form
Nobody in the ToP did anything wrong except Goku.
>>557509105it's funny because practically any other scenario itachi could've put him in like "fight me for 24 hours" or even the shit kakashi had to deal with would've at least been possible to somewhat construe as an attempt to train him to be stronger, but in reality he just psychologically tortured his brother through something he can do nothing about with no actual benefits
>>557509360>Jiren wanting to fight alone is being an assholeYou are desperate. And as to answer your /dbs/ babble from earilier the reason people acknowledge manga's Jiren as a good guy is because that's how he's presented and shown in the story>Belmod introduces him to the readers as a completely selfless super hero who doesn't kill>when he arrives and saves the day from a kaiju he stops the monster without killing it>when Toppo tries to talk about the ToP Jiren stops him and tells him they need to focus on saving the civilians first>when they explain they have to win the tournament to save innocents from U11 he explicitly states he doesn't want to because that implies dooming innocents from other universes in the process>even when he accepts due to his one and only selfish desire being granted if he wins the tournament he insists he will only participate as long the universe is doing fine, if any crisis arises in the 50 minutes he's out he will return home and save the people in need>once we are finally told what his wish is one of his teammates is shocked the guy can desire something as normal as wanting his master backManga Jiren is not only a good guy, he's a way better person than any of the protagonists.
>>557508912>Y-y-you totally actually agreed with me!Cope.>>557509105Hey, not my fault Kishimoto is retarded, I'm just relaying what his story said.Seriously, what the fuck was up with Itachi torturing Sasuke harder than he ever tortured anyone else? Twice?
>>557509569>So not people Goku lovesManga said otherwise and it was literally his family.>laterIt was planned from the start according to the author>You are lying by correcting my retardationNot my fault you got Jiren's backstory wrong.>It's mental gymnastics just because I said so!!!!! How dare you easily debunk the meme opinion I got from a youtuber!!!Cool so Jiren and Sasuke's backstories are completely different and you were full of shit.
>>557510786>You are desperateHe clearly hit a nerve.
>>557510786>he's a way better personSuch a good person with his 0 personality trait, charisma or interesting scene, lmao.Keep wanking yourself to how moral the dickish cardboard box from the promotional manga is while everyone else remember the actually cool character from the anime.
>>557510786>/dbs/ babbleThe irony of the Toyofag saying that when he only ever show up here when he get bullied off /dbs/.
>>557512156>devoid of arguments he can only resort to "well you know what? He's... still bad somehow what now! P-promotional haha" nowSo you are done already.
>>557509569>Goku getting his whole family killed by an evildoer is totally different from Sasuke and Jiren's families being killed by an evildoerYour lack of self awareness is shocking.
>>557512468Pointing out the complete lack of personality, charisma or interesting scenes is an argument, retard.>somehowThere's no 'somehow', there's him being bad by having no personality, no charisma and no interesting scenes, what I said was very clear and specific.Now try to dance your way out of it again.
>>557512468>Can't even respond with an interesting scene or showing Jiren having charisma>Instead has to resort to wannabe tough guy babbleLol. Lmao.
>>557511923>the manga says Goku loved his familyAre you on drugs?>it was plannedYou know that doesn't chance anything from the backstory as the character experiences right? They could reveal the demon who killed Jiren's family was good all along and Jiren's family were evil monsters secretly and it wouldn't change how Jiren experienced his backstory, which is the same generic stuff Sasuke experienced.>you got Jiren wrong he's not a bad person!>and devolving into shitposting alreadyDude I don't know where you came from but you have to go back if you think you can pull this shit
>>557509301>Anime Jiren is a man who lost everyone and everything he cared about because he was weak and the trust he placed in others was broken, so he devoted himself to the pursuit of power while only trusting himself and his own strength.>Manga Jiren is a man who devoted himself solely to the pursuit of strength so he could best live up to the teachings of his master and protect his universe, and his one selfish desire is to wish his master back to life to recieve his validation There's compelling things in both but each feels like there's a lot missing, like they both focused on completely different aspects of characterization while leaving a lot of blanks. Both of their reasons for wanting to be the strongest are born from insecurity though. If you combined the best parts of each you'd get a pretty good character imo
>>557512993>Are you on drugs?Glad to know even you didn't read Toyotaro's manga.>You know that doesn't chance anything from the backstory as the character experiences right?It does change what the backstory actually is.>They both experienced the same generic stuff, stop pointing the difference!No. Having your family killed by your own brother who then forced you to relive it over and over, which then pushed you to betray all your friends for more power isn't the same as having your family killed by a random evil guy, which pushed you to become a hero who attempted to take down the evil guy with all your friends, only to lose and have all your friends betray you, making you think winning was the only way to not get betrayed ago.>If I pretend you said something else and scream 'shitpost' I won't have to acknowledge I fucked up and got the backstory wrongI think you need to just stop crying.
>>557513357>his one selfish desire is to wish his master back to life to recieve his validationWhich is retarded because he really doesn't need the SDBs for that.And really he could just fly to the afterlife, it's not like anything can stop him at his level, it's not even against the rules given that Whis and Goku go in and out for the lolz.
>>557512993>which is the same generic stuff Sasuke experienced.Name me 10 characters that experience the same backstory as Sasuke.
>>557513384I did read it and it didn't say Goku loved his family, he was a fucking baby mind you, and he didn't even remember them until two arcs ago, you are only making more and more clear how drastically different this is from the generic "I went back home and my village and beloved ones were killed by THE EVIL GUY!">it does changeContext a character gets years after his trauma is experienced doesn't change what he experienced in first place, no.>actually they are different because Sasuke's backstory has a little more than Jiren's barebones oneYou aren't helping your argument.>more shitpostOkay my bad, I shouldn't have assumed you were here for actual discussion, I sometimes forget even trash like you get banned and come here to stain this place.
>>557513930>and he didn't even remember them until two arcs ago,And then he remembered them fondly, once again glad to know even you don't read it.>noIt does change the backstory that the backstory is different, if we include how they are affected by said backstory, then Sasuke and Jiren are even more different.>I said it was poopoo bad so you have to ignore how you just proved me wrongI don't think I will>Every argument I can't counter is a shitpost! I'll just copy that guy who said I was kicked out of /dbs/!Just stop saying random retarded stuff you heard elsewhere without thinking it true and people will stop proving you wrong.
>>557513689He's just gonna name you 10 characters who's families are dead regardless of context. He already tried to pretend that Itachi being Sasuke's brother wasn't super important for his backstory and that Jiren losing and being abandoned by his friends in his backstory didn't matter.
>>557512691>changing the goalpost from him not being a good person to him lacking charisma is an argumentI'm sorry for your ban and your deflection over anime's Jiren being a worse antagonist than fucking Cell Max
>>557514772You're just gonna respond that to everyone? Did it really hit a nerve so hard you have to parrot it like that?
>>557513930>barebonesIn case you haven't noticed, Jiren's backstory was the longer one between the two so what the fuck are you on about?>>557514936It's the Toyofag, he always just start repeating the last punchline used on him when he gets desperate.
>>557514936>everyoneI was talking to you buddy, don't be shy. You sure you don't want to try something else after failing trying to convince everyone manga's Jiren isn't a good guy?
The Super manga fucking sucks.
>>557515287>to convince everyoneMy dude, absolutely nobody here needed to be convinced, you're the only one holding that position. Not a single poster here knows or cares about manga Jiren.
Luigi, you're not going to win the argument, just pack it up.
>>557515287>I was talking to you buddy,You said the exact same ban babble to like 3 people.>>557515670Fuck off with your discord drama, we're full.
>I proved you wrong>even you didn't read>not my fault you got this wrong>you were banned>stop crying>hit a nerveAlways the same way to out himself and people always fall for his schizo bait, why are we here, just to suffer?
>>557515739On the bright side, he is not a discord reject, he is from /dbs/. You think this kind of stupidity could come from somewhere else?
>>557515615So you are trying something else, ad populum now I see. And worse of all you had a nice freudian slip. Yeah you don't know about manga Jiren, that's the reason every single thing you said about him was wrong, him not being a nice guy being just one sample.
>>557515739You aren't from Discord Luigi, you are from /dbs/ and are alone in this world. Well you have the voices in your head I guess if you still don't take your meds
>>557515875>ad populumYou're quite literally the one who brought up 'everyone' first, what kind of cope is that?
>>557515872Then it's interboard drama, which he should still fuck off with.>>557516052Not interested in your weird RP.
>>557515670>>557515835>>557516052Stop spamming, faggot. There's no 'we' here. Either win the argument on your own or shut the fuck up instead of devolving to shitting up the thread.
>>557516061>this retard thinks the ad populum fallacy means any kind of phrasing that includes the word "everyone", and not claiming something is correct as long it's what's on the public, the majority's side (what he claimed when he said nobody knows or cares about manga Jiren)My man, I never said "you are wrong because you couldn't convince us", I asked if after such failure you are gonna move the goalpost again. The fact you changed the goalpost is already documented, I just wanted to know if you were gonna try again.
>>557516061It's Toyofag cope, don't mind it.
>>557516572You really took 5 whole minute to come up with that 'It doesn't count!'? And there's still no 'us', quite literally nobody here share your weird opinion. Anons here don't even like the manga.
>>557516572>Everyone agrees with me!>No, nobody agrees with you or even care about this topic>This is muh fallacy!Reddit is that way.
>>557516754>You really took 5 whole minute to come upAre you really so retarded you think anyone you talk to is talking to you exclusively and doing absolutely nothing? Just waiting for your reply to write something else? On the fucking internet? I don't know if it's hubris or projection from your part but it's sad.>doubles down on his ad populumWhatever makes you happy, man, if you aren't trying I'm not trying either.
>>557513547 The reason given is he was killed by a demon and I guess Dragon Balls were the only way since his soul couldn't cross over
>>557517445For him to know that he would have to read the product he's trying to discuss which is something someone like him would never do, please understand.
>>557517375>How dare you call me out on how bad my attempt at a response was?!Damn, this one took a whole 8 minutes.>Stop saying the truth!Shouldn't have tried claiming people were on your side. Screaming buzzwords won't change that.
>>557517445Again, he doesn't need the SDBs for that and the manga directly say Jiren's master told Belmod he didn't want to be brought back so his soul clearly crossed over.The Super Dragon Balls are literally the worst DBs to use to bring back someone cause they're the hardest to get.>>557517627Say the retard who couldn't even read my post properly.
>>557517627>That's retarded, Jiren doesn't need the SDBs>YOU DIDN'T READ, HE NEED SOMETHING ANY SET OF DB CAN DO!!!!That doesn't answer his complaint at all, you sperg.
Is there any fanmanga that hates Goku more than DBM?
>>557518018>any set of DBYeah any of the multiples sets of DBs in U11 could help, like the ones in planet Doesn'texist or the ones from planet Nothappening, why would Jiren want the SDBs if he could use those?
>>557518668The SDBs don't exist in his universe either, they are U6 and U7 only thing and he just happen to work for a GoD and his angel who can travel to either of the universes that have normal DBs.So either he didn't have that ambition at all until 5 minutes ago when the TOP was declared or he wanted for a while and it should have already been done with a normal set.
>>557517724You aren't even trying to argue anymore you are just trying to convince me an ad populum is a valid argument and pretending I'm doing nothing but replying for your replies, man you could do a way better job at pretending you aren't a shitposter
>>557518898>can travel to either of the universesConsidering Champa had to sneak into U7 to go for their SDBs, no, Belmod and Marcarita shouldn't be allowed to just go to U7 or U6 to use their balls and that's assuming they know those exists
>>557519160>Considering Champa had to sneak into U7 to go for their SDBs,He 'snuck in' because he didn't want to share with Beerus and then they openly traveled to each other's universes for petty shit.
>>557519009Why would I keep arguing when you have long dropped your points and just started crying about people totally agreeing with you and your buzzword? My points stand while you retired yours.>>557518898All the Gods know what dragon balls are.
>>557519160>Belmod and Marcarita shouldn't be allowed to just go to U7 or U6Why not? Champa did it for a bet with Beerus, for a baseball match and even just to brag at him. They have cubes explicitly to just travel between universes and there was never any restriction on their use, they were even allowed to give one to Hit as payment if he won the U6 tournament.
>>557519232>>557519641We don't really know when it's allowed for them to get into others' territories, it has never been properly established, and certainly not in the manga. And that still leaves unanswered the question about them knowing about other dragon balls set. We don't even know if they knew about the Super Dragon Balls until the ToP arc, Beerus didn't know shit and half of those fall under his territory so as far we know Belmod's first time learning about wish granting dragons could be when Zeno announced the tournament.
>>557519376>he's projectingYou are the one who stopped arguing, shitposter, I never dropped my points, I just stopped repeating them since you couldn't refute them, you were too busy changing the goal post from "manga Jiren isn't really a good guy I swear!" to "okay but he's... lame, okay??" What am I supposed to do, repeat the parts that you were unable to debunk until you kill yourself? You deserve it but I don't have the heart to do it, so you will have to live with your failure.
>>557423786What people forget is that Vegeta was able to resist Babidi's mind control. He only really wanted the power. Who's to say Cell couldn't do the same since he shares Vegeta's cells, and more.
>>557510560>but in reality he just psychologically tortured his brother through something he can do nothing about with no actual benefitsThat's what makes Itachi so damn retarded. Best case scenario, Sasuke regains his hatred and becomes stronger than ever, fulfilling Itachi's dream of dying to Sasuke (And fact he wanted Sasuke specifically to do that even if he had to torture Sasuke into it is another issue entirely), worst case scenario, Sasuke becomes a vegetable.>>557511752>Hey, not my fault Kishimoto is retarded, I'm just relaying what his story said.Oh yes, I wasn't arguing against your point, I just wanted to dunk on Itachi.>Seriously, what the fuck was up with Itachi torturing Sasuke harder than he ever tortured anyone else? Twice?The only argument you can even make in Itachi's favor is that he tortured Sasuke for "only" 24 hours, in contrast to Kakashi's 72, but even that you could excuse as him not wanting to use as much chakra... With the intention of "he was good all along", it's still the worst torture because seeing loved ones die over and over again is going to fuck up someone's mind more than physical torture.
Angels should have tails.
Wait I'm just realizing didn't the U9 furries have untraceable ki? What was with that? I thought everyone from other universes would have different ki and only twin universes shared ki or something like that but there was nothing like that later was it?
>>557521150I don't know how I feel about that, but I also didn't suggest Babadi as a direct threat, so I'm not sure why this is in reply to me.
>>557522169Androids
>>557522780>androids???
>>557522169As usual the closest to an explanation is to look at both versions and compare. In the manga Goku also notes his opponent's ki isn't readable at the exhibition match and that's because Toppo is a god and properly introduced as GoD in-training right away. I assume Goku not being able to feel ki from his opponent was a plot point in Toriyama's outline and Toei didn't get the memo so they just made it so Team Sonic's ki can't be read for an undeterminated reason
>>557518179I honestly can't think of any. Even Kakumei offscreening Goku and doing a "trapped and betrayed", effectively sidelining him so other characters get to shine, is more respectful than DBM, since he's still treated as a strong character, everyone misses him and want to rescue him. Even the Vegetafagging the story has isn't at Goku's expense, since Vegeta very clearly misses him. The whole trapped and betrayed angle is another way of doing the usual Z arc where Goku is away, and everyone else suffers until he comes back, only this time they have to rescue him.
People complain about a lot of stuff about modern DB, but my biggest complaint is that I hate how modern DB fights stopped showing just how fast the fighters really were https://youtu.be/MQlq3hWGvJ8?si=3nNm_cq7fRdUrJ0Nhttps://youtu.be/Uu5v1fLw2_Y?si=XEHxQsPcZeDCFFxchttps://youtu.be/ZFeUL98NRHM?si=v1YtS5wWehEbaZG5https://youtu.be/dIdigyKQ3tE?si=jk-Cpqlotpsay1dThttps://youtu.be/6IdyMcR86_c?si=ooBvvNpgYB7meLSB
What makes someone sit at spawn after the first death and spam emotes of your hero? Crazy.
>>557525189>Japanese>Japanese>Japanese>Japanese>Japaneseholy cringe
>>557525432Stop funding war in the middle east and you will notice you are in a general about a japanese franchise, retardbro.
>>557526082The japanese dub is garbage that's my point
sister went off schizo style
>>557523251You wouldn't be able to tell that 17 and 18 are Androids on sight either
Spread love, not hate.
>>557526130Low quality ragebait by an Amerifat
>>557526130There's no japanese dub, retardbro, the japanese version is the original one, the "dubs" are the other ones. And yes I know what you are trying to say as you struggle with your arteries filled with transfats and yes I'm mocking it, your dub is literally infamous worldwide, not only you can't blame the french like many other dubs do, you even removed a legendary ost and replaced it with your generic electronic shit.
>Original Japanese OST>LegendaryDOOT DOOTDOOT DOOT DOOTDOOT DOOT DOOT DOOOT!!!!
>>55752670217 and 18 were established as androids, when was that done to the furries
>>557524505Kakumei sure has some interesting anatomy
>>557528217>American OST>LegendaryBEEP BEEP BEEP BEEPBEEP BEEP *but stolen this time*BEEP BEEP BEEP WIIIIIIIIIIW *proceeds to steal your royalties and fame while not making shit*
>>557529397Now that you mention it, there are quite a few Faulconer tracks that sound like someone violently wet farting. Thanks for this conversation, anon.
>>557528690When Goku couldn't sense their energy dumbass
>>557530113>circular reasoning
>>557527718The term is used interchangeably, regardless of the technical origin
>American DBZ ost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjREyGgR2yg
>>557529397>*but stolen this time*...But enough about Kenji Yamamoto.
>>557531794don't tell me you don't like september 21 being capsule obtain day??
>>557530694Goku can sense God ki and Mortal Ki, but not Artificial Ki so anything Goku can't sense is Artificial Ki unless explicitly stated otherwise.
>>557532591Goku shouldn't be able to feel "god ki" in base form and you are just filling a plothole with headcanon here
>>557361585Why does this look like a amv
>>557533464Source that Goku can sense God Ki after absorbing SSJG into base? I don't know why he wouldn't keep all the abilities that come with it.How was he even fighting Beerus like that if he couldn't sense him.
>>557533464>Goku shouldn't be able to feel "god ki" in base formNTA, but he can. In pic related Goku was sleeping before Vegeta went SSB and sensed him.
>>557534135Toei just forgets sometimes, they had Hit able to sense exactly how much Goku was multiplying his power by with SSBKK.
>>557534402Source that Hit can't sense God Ki?>>557533464I think it's far more head canon to suggest a fourth type of ki that doesn't explicitly exist.
>>557534402Thing is, after Goku says he's sensing them, the very next line is Trunks saying he can't sense Vegeta, so in this case they remembered.
what if they just have good ki control to fit with their sneaky underhanded theming, that's not even as wacky as the guy who refracts his ki or whatever later on
>>557534135>>557534693Also, after fighting Zamasu, Goku comments on Zamasu's ki and compares it to Black's, and he never went beyond SS2 against Zamasu. He even compared the Zamasu with Beerus (Though in this case it could be just the feeling of a fight, not god ki itself).
>>557535130The Trio de Danger seems competent at anything to you? I mean anime Bergamo could solo every original manga character except Arale, but like.... that's because Super is badly written.
Also Goku says this. Wonder if this was to foreshadow Future Zamasu's ridiculous growth kek.
they will fix Trunks SS2 hair in the remake right
>>557535969>I mean anime Bergamo could solo every original manga character except Arale, but like.... that's because Super is badly written.I mean, that's just how escalation works. A saibaman could do the same thing to anything in OGDB
>>557536319Uh... really? I don't think so, a saibaman is officially weaker than Raditz or if you only care about in Manga probably the same strength as Raditz. We don't know how much stronger Piccolo and Goku got over the five year gap, but considering how training works in the first half of Dragon ball probably not that much. If everyone from the 23rd WMT and Roshi showed up together I think they could AT LEAST hit the Saibaman with the Evil Containment Wave. BUT FUCK THAT!21st WMT Goku, is dead equivalent to Master Roshi who after being past his prime for 8 years has an in Manga Powerlevel of 139, so 21st WMT Goku has to be at least the same. Goku transformed during that tournament, giving him a powerlevel of 1,390 surpassing a Saibaman's 1,200.
>>557534547It doesn't have to be a fourth type of ki it could be a special technique to hide ki or you know anything at all since they never explained it because they forgot
>>557537392damn, I know I should've gone for the appule joke instead, I kneel.
>>557536240Oh fuck I had completely forgotten they gave Trunks his vs Mecha Freeza hairdo for some reason
Rock the dragon > cha la head cha laThere I said it
>>557533464>>557534402In episode 17, when Goku goes to train with Vegeta and Whis, Whis explicitly notes that part of his training allowed Vegeta to sense the presence of deities.
>>557535969I mean they got poison and weird energy absorption, a relatively weak character hiding their ki isn't that crazy of a power and is less out there than being secret robots when that's already another universe's gimmick or having a secret bespoke ki type that's never brought up
>>557538826Forgot to mention, Vegeta was waiting for Whis to arrive in base form. The anime changed how god ki's sensed, but since everyone skips the first two arcs, no one seems to realize this.
>>557538827That's a Dragonball Abridged level IQ anti-feat if Goku forgot energy suppression exists.
>>557538826To be fair that's 100% gonna be cut
>>557540752God bless all the autists that will compare OG Super to Super Kai and record all changes and removed stuff
>>557537561Do we have any reason to assume Appule is stronger than anything, he has no feats. I see people cite them laughing at the Namekian Warriors PL of 1,000 to say 1,000 is weak but they are challenging Dedoria.
>>557542218Not really, Though desu you can do the "just mafuba them" clause for essentially any villian in the entire series as none of them know the reverse mafuba so im not sure if that counts. I still don't really knock super much for having a super glupp shitto capable of beating everyone in the original z manga. The androids could sweep frieza that shit was absurd
>>557544903That's what aboutism. If something bad happened once that doesn't make something bad happening again good. Why is your defense always something bad happened in the second half of Dragonball when Super is attacked?>Evil Containment WaveYou can't Evil Containment Wave anybody, if they are infinitely faster than you they would just dodge it?
>>557545321My point is that it's just fairly normal escalation and something dragonball has always done. It's not really "bad" that bergamo could beat perfect cell or whatever it's just the plot and how this series, and a lot of battle shounen in general for that matter, generally operate.
>>557545818No but that's your challenge as a writter to have a reason for the enemies to keep getting stronger.There is no reason for Bergamo to be that strong.
>>557546692Is there not? The premise of the tournament of power automatically implies that these people are the strongest people of their entire universe. I think that implies that they would be extremely strong in of themselves
>>557547253Of course, Bergamo has reasons to be on par with the Buu arc characters. I would probably have them SSJ2 Vegeta more than Ultimate Gohan or Gotenks, but definitely not wiping the floor with SSJ2 Vegito. SSJG Goku is explicitly stronger than anything Vegito can do as of Battle of the Gods, Goku then absorbes that power into base. Why are the fights of the other universes so much stronger than what effort alone can produce from U7? Cabba just trained until he could kill Super Vegito, in fact how did Vegeta get to the point where he could defeat Super Vegeta in base.The Anime and movie having Goku jump that high was a mistake.
>>557548139Thinking anyone would be even remotely roughly on par with buu saga characters when we're 4 arcs removed from it by the point of the ToP feels a bit silly. It's like saying that buu should've just been comparable to saiyan saga vegeta or something
>>557548523Comparing Bergamo to Buu is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Bergamo is more like Puipui or Yakon, sub-Freeza level losers who can't even handle SS
>>557549971Bergamo pushed goku into blue back during the tournament of destroyers though. If anything he's more like a Dabura , who in of himself was just as strong as the boss of the previous arc despite being a henchman
>>557548523Vegeta is the... 4th or 5th strongest mortal in the second half of Dragonball, as of the Sayian Saga. 5th or 6th if we include Broly and I am ignoring the Manga only characters because I don't know about any of that, and they either have a reason to not have been mentioned for the ToP or cause a plot hole.-list-Great Ape VegetaFriezaKing ColdDabra (depending on if DIAMA ruled apply to Super)Majin Buu-Broly-list-Every other universe has 10+fighters stronger than Dabra. I thought Goku's adventure was supposed to be special, but really it was just bringing U7 up to a normal level.>That's just how battle manga workA trope isn't good because it's a trope, most people think tropes are bad in and of themselves (they are wrong). A trope done against the natural reason and flow of a story is bad. (By the way if Daima exists alongside Super, Buu isn't naturally a part of U7 dragging what the average "strongest in their universe should look like down farther")
>>557550620>>557548523FUCK I FORGOT YAKKON AND POSSIBLY (but probably not) PUI PUI.
>>557550620None of those characters were introduced as of saiyan saga, though. The narrative of saiyan saga even says that vegeta is the strongest guy in the universe and doesn't do anything to contest that until after the arc is over. All of those characters were simply established afterwords as way of a fairly normal escalatory chain that battle manga follows, So to reiterate in a more comparative way. It's like saying that Dabura should be of a similar strength to Nappa
>>557550937Burter claims to be the fastest in the universe while Frieza is a character Toriyama had thought up. I see no reason why Vegeta saying that amoes Frieza a retcon.
>>557551298Frieza already existed as a character by that point straight up in the story and not just in toriyama's mind, and was heavily tent poled as being the final boss, so that's an entirely different scenario than characters who straight up don't exist in the narrative yet. Besides the point wasn't trying to argue a retcon or anything just that There was never any sort of setup that vegeta was actually super weak in compared to anything, which is how basically every arc boss is setup
>>557551601Vegeta has a boss, that boss is stronger than him. That makes sense and matches the patterns we saw with Tambourine and Raditz.Bergamo matches the pattern we saw with Hit, but Hit being that strong is already questionable.There are examples of typical escalation being handled badly in Dragonball, Yadjirobe definitely shouldn't be that strong, if we were introduced to 50+ Yadjirobe's in one arc, I would be complaining.
>>557553452how is your example of bad escalation yajirobe of all people and not the androids
The Dragonball arcs focused on fighting a peer opponent goes as follows.Goku fights his teacherGoku fights the greatest martial artist on eartnGoku fights an ancient evil that the greats once sealed awayGoku fights a warrior from that ancient evil made specifically to defeat himGoku fights a great warrior from beyond EarthGoku fights the ruler of the galaxyGoku fights a warrior crafted out of the best aspects of his previous foes and himselfGoku fights an ancient evil that the greatest gods of the universe failed to seal awayGoku fights one of the previous guys who trained for a weekFinally, after all of that, Goku fights a slightly above average guy-The last two are different.>>557553968Goku fights the greatest martial artist on Earth as an equal and finds a random guy who is stronger in the woods, randomly.
>>557554778I mean you kind of skipped the androids in that description. They were the whole impetus for the original arc. And beerus for some reason
>>557555001Beerus is using 0.0000000000000000007% of his power, or whatever somebody decides to say today, it's not a real fight.17 and 18 are like the Nappa and Raditz to Cell's Vegeta. Also Goku never fights 17 or 18.
>>557554778Your first mistake is trying to make sense of a gag manga turned serious turned gag.
When I watched Daima, I realized what I liked over GT's SSJ4 over Daima's and that is where Toriyama is a lot like Tite Kubo and it also exposes his greatest weakness as a writer: Toriyama is absolutely incapable of delivering powerful emotional resonant moments. He could hit brief tenderness (Grandpa Gohan), sudden sacrifice (Piccolo, Vegeta) and small kindness (Android 8, Suno) but he almost never lingered. GT, ironically made without him, lingers in the SSJ4 scene where Daima completely fails.When Goku turns into a Great Ape, he proceeds to go on a rampage, completely losing himself and his humanity as Pan tries to reach out for Goku but he's so far gone until he suddenly stops when he sees a photo of himself and Pan with the Dragon Team all together at the beach. Then as Pan cries, Goku tastes her tears, reminding him of the saltiness of the ocean prompting Goku to revert back to his human form (sort of), regaining his humanity not as Goku the Saiyan but as Goku the Earthling. I liked how the music they played as Goku transformed wasn't epic, it was a slower, more melancholic orchestral version of Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku. This is great because you rarely see this kind of vulnerability in DB. Whereas SSJ/2 were transformations rooted in rage, and 3 from training in solitude, GT made 4 rooted in compassion and love.And this is so good! Because these sentimental moments are SO rare in DB because we rarely ever see characters being so vulnerable. I like that. Just like how my favorite moments in the entire series are stuff like Goku reuniting with Grandpa Gohan or Android 8 (he's so sweet) protecting Goku or Suno saving Goku from dying of a cold. I want more moments like these.Also, Daima (and Super) made me realize that I don't give a flying fuck about hype fights, cool forms or aura farming if there's no emotional weight behind the character's power-ups, motivations or any emotional weight in them.
>>557563105Is this copypasta? I feel I've read this exact post before.
>>557564773Yes.
Hey guys. I have a problem that's not directly related to DBZ games/anime, but I don't think /pol/ or /adv/ know enough about DBZ to help me out.I know that this is going to sound incredibly autistic, but I cannot function in social settings unless I imagine myself as a Dragon Ball character. No, I don't go around saying "I'm Goku, a Saiyan raised on earth!" or try to fly or anything. I just feel myself with the overall demeanor of a DBZ character. I can pass off as a normie well with this.I choose DBZ characters that already compliment my personality. My main 3 are Piccolo (When I'm feeling quiet but confident), Vegeta (When I'm feeling a bit smug/cocky) and Broly (When I'm feeling a bit edgy). I also have a rotating list of DBZ characters that I can use. I've done Bulma, Trunks, Gohan, Great Ape Bardock, Cell, Mr Satan, etc...But my problem is, I have a party with my co-workers tonight, and I'm not sure which DBZ character I should be. I want to be a bit more outgoing and talkative than usual, but not TOO much. I had a bad experience with Yamcha this spring, when I got a bit TOO confident, so I don't want to use him. I'd like to try a Dragon Ball GT character, but I'm not sure which once. I like Super 17, but I feel like he would make me come across as an autist. I was actually thinking about Pikkon, but not being canon hurts him a bit.Do you guys have any ideas for a DBZ character that would be sociable and confident, but not too much so?
>>557566898Just be like Krillin, chillest dude on the block
>>557566898Gohan
>>557566898>Great Ape BardockSo you roar and throw poo at people? That doesn't seem like proper social behavior bro.
>>557569365He said Bardock, not Uub.
>>557566898>Do you guys have any ideas for a DBZ character that would be sociable and confident, but not too much so?Trunks?
>>557238239Note is pure!
>>557576143Purely for tail pulling!
>>557566898El Hermano de Jiren
>>557566898imagine yourself as a low-class saiyan sent to Earth to destroy it.>"what? how could you fail? you've gotten soft. now your big sister has to bail you out! idiot."
>>557585515A DB game where you really climb up the ranks from the bottom would be fun. The XV CaCs always went up and down in power too arbitrarily IMO.
>>557590229>The XV CaCs always went up and down in power too arbitrarily IMO.They're also always just strong enough to either defeat a threat, or to stall long enough for Goku to arrive, never having to struggle. But it's not surprising since the CaCs are just a power fantasy, so they won't be actual underdogs. Anon bitched the other day about non-CaC characters arbitrarily have -50 to every stat if you pick them during missions, all so CaC look more special.
>>557591263It's not even really a power fantasy, it's mostly just arbitrary power. If it was a power fantasy, you'd be consistently dunking on your opponents like Sung Jinwoo in Solo Leveling.Here? Bandai is just too lazy to take relative strength into account in their narrative.
>>557558680I mean, Toriyama was doing it fine until at least the Androids. It's obviously possible to do, and therefore, criticizable when he or Toyotaro gives up.
>>557566898aww, dude, Krillin all day. he's super witty and outgoing.
>>557595827It's insane the damage the Z Movies and Fillers did to people's impression of Krillin.
>>557595914you think so? for me, it was probably the DBZA 'Krillin Owned Count' bit. i feel like most of the source material treats Krillin well. i like when he shows up in Second Coming wearing Piccolo's outfit for no reason. lol
>>557596608The 'Krillin Owned Count' is just an extension of how he was treated in the movies and fillers. They even basically treat him like an Abridged character already, with him going 'Why only me?!' when he's the only one who fail to get a hit in against Wheelo.
>>557596608Nah, stuff like the Krillin owned count is just the logical comedic conclusion of what was already happening to him in the actual anime/movies. The decline of Krillin from a confident guy to a failure mess of a man over the course of Z was already there.
>>557598037>The decline of Krillin from a confident guy to a failure mess of a man over the course of Z was already there.That's the thing tho, there's no such decline in the actual story, it's purely a movie and filler thing.
>>557598157He quits, and then is scared to fight Base Goku in the 25th WMT. Old Krillin would never "duck a fade" like that.
>>557598741>He quits,So did everyone else.>and then is scared to fight Base Goku in the 25th WMT.Yeah, because he stand no chance and know that means he basically lost already.
>>557600058>So did everyone else. Yeah and you don't hear people talking about how cool Yamcha is, and you hear Tien fans complain about it constantly. It's pathetic for all the human Z warriors, and you understand that for Yamcha and Tien.>because he stand no chanceBecause he quit, there is no lore reason the humans shouldn't be able to keep up with the Base Sayians outside of times where the Sayians are repeatedly almost dying.
>>557600372>Yeah and you don't hear people talking about how cool Yamcha is, and you hear Tien fans complain about it constantly.I don't see what that has to do with how Krillin simply wasn't treated like he was in the movies and fillers in the actual story..>It's pathetic for all the human Z warriors,It's not, it's normal at their age. Even Goku retires, becoming Uub's teacher. And Yamcha is considered pathetic for the Saibaman and Gero stuff, not for this.Fucking Vegeta quit between Cell and Buu too>Because he quitNo, because Goku was harder working, more talented and more determined, which created a giant gap, which he wasn't gonna breach just for a friendly tournament.
>>557600708Actually, I'm wrong. Krillin fell off at Raditz. Krillin, according to Goku and Piccolo, never closed the sacred water gap in those five years and then didn't go with Piccolo and Goku.Krillin had to be repeatedly told not to interfere with the Piccolo Jr. fight, but suddenly when Raditz shows up he sits out like a good boy.
>>557600708Goku trains uub specifically so that he can get a good fight out of uub, he never once quit being a martial artist in Z he just went looking in further place for a challenge. Vegeta quit after cell because his entire life after namek was being in a dick measuring contest with goku. Even with goku being dead vegeta still trains on screen, with his son no less, and instantly goes back into full gear when goku is around again.Krillin and Yamcha just quit training full stop after cell for no real reason. They just go >oh i'm so uselessthen give up entirely. That's pathetic and not in their earlier character. The age is irrelevant, Roshi is still a talented martial artist as he's 300. He stood no chance against Piccolo Jr. either but he still went into the ring and gave it his best shot and put up a respectable showing. The gap is only as wide as it is because Krillin lost all heart.
>>557600708>Fucking Vegeta quit between Cell and Buu tooFalse, I don't know where you get this from. The day Gohan went to visit him (this is before Goku said he was coming back) Vegeta was training. Vegeta claims to Goku to have been training daily for the whole time skip.
>>557550146>Bergamo pushed goku into blueWhen was the last time you watched the anime? Nearly EVERYTHING makes Goku and Vegeta go blue there
>>557601435>False, I don't know where you get this fromHe literally says 'I'm never fighting again' after Goku dies.>>557601196>Actually, I'm wrong. Krillin fell off at Raditz.He literally one shots all the Saibamen.>he sits out like a good boy.Literally everyone sat down when a tired Piccolo waved their way at the end.>>557601197>Goku trains uub specifically so that he can get a good fight out of uub,And as a way to retire and make Uub the protector of Earth.>Roshi is still a talented martial artist as he's 300.Roshi quite literally gave up the second Tenshinhan showed up.
>>557601196>>557601197This is some next level mental gymnastics just to try and pretend there isn't an obvious and massive gap between how the manga / Kai shows Krillin and how the movies and fillers do. They're literally not even the same characters.
>>557604236Never forget how literally the first episode of the ToP they go about needing to save energy because Blue is very draining and that same episode a random guy just grabs Goku from behind and makes him go from base to Blue to eliminate him.
>>557604873>He literally says 'I'm never fighting again' after Goku dies. He can say that, but he was telling an untruth. We have no reason to believe Krillin didn't quit when he said he would.>He literally one shots all the Saibamen. So could everyone there, except maybe Chaiotzu? It doesn't disprove that he never closed the gap between him and Goku since the 23rd WMT. When he should have been able to.>Literally everyone sat down when a tired Piccolo waved their way at the end. No, Krillin fell over when Piccolo used his physic powers to dig a trench, but Goku got back up before we could see what they would do. Yamcha and Tien also didn't sit down, Tien was in a fighting position, Yamcha is either running away akwardly or in a fight position it's indetermable.>>557605151I haven't seen the filler or the movies. He can be more of a loser in the filler/movies but he's still a loser 4 times out of 5 after Raditz shows up.
>>557605151you should probably read the posts you're responding to
>>557550146 Goku only went blue to show off, he was already beating his ass handedly in regular super saiyan
>>557605648>>557605671You should stop talking about what you don't know then.
I still hate the Caulifla and Kale and eventually Kefla vs Goku fight, it felt like those two were pretty much acting as Goku's fluffers for his big showdown with Jiren while Vegeta dealt with Toppo and Gohan and Freiza delt with Dyspo
>>557605648>I don't know where you got that from?!>From Vegeta himself with no ambiguity>He was lying!You can't be serious.>So could everyone thereNo, Yamcha had to actually fight just to take one out and lost in the end, Gohan couldn't do it either without a rage boost at least and Tenshinhan is unknown.>When he should have been able toBased on what? Nobody else closed the gap on Goku either.>No, he just 'sat down' alongside everyone else, just like everyone did with Raditz.So he just 'sat down' anyway.
>>557605648You call him a loser for not being a uber top tier turbo god that Goku never surpasses while people are telling you that Krillin doesn't get pissed on and cucked outside cringe filler and Z movies. That's how retarded and offtopic you are.
>>557605897>You can't be serious. He was telling an untruth we know because we have on screen proof he was. Why should I take a characters word over their actions?>So he just 'sat down' anyway.Krillin was told to wait his turn while Goku had a one v one with Piccolo, and Krillin was ready to join in after Goku couldn't fight anymore. Like Vegeta was with Goku and Yakkon.Respecting a 1v1 and not showing up because you would get in the way are different things. Maybe you find it fit to call both sitting down, in which case I shouldn't have used the metaphor.>Nobody else closed the gap on Goku either. We don't know that. Anyway if they didn't that's just an indictment of Tien and Yamcha too.
>>557606486>He was telling an untruth we know because we have on screen proof he was. Why should I take a characters word over their actions?It's really really obvious you're just moving the goalpost here after trying to claim you had no idea where someone could get the idea that Vegeta retired from.>Krillin was told to wait his turnNo, Piccolo waved at them saying he could still beat all of them at once, they confirm he can and they sit the fuck down behind the line Piccolo just drew.>We don't know thatYes, we do, because all of them are weaker than Goku every single time we see or hear about their powers.
>>557606486>an untruthUub, get the fuck out of our thread. Only those who knows how to use a toilet are allowed here.
>>557605782 It was a good fight, but Caulifla, Kale and Kefla are ultimately fluff and only exist because Toei really wanted female saiyans
>>557605782>>557606873Gay and shit taste.
>>557605782Based and correct taste.>>557606873Decent taste but could use some refinements.
JJKeks utterly BTFO!!!BASED CC2
>>557606814>Doesn't know an untruth from a lie>Lecturing me about how I'm brownIt would be incorrect to say Vegeta lied, because he didn't, if I said Vegeta lied, I would be using English incorrectly.
>>557607234Cope denied, get out.
>>557607218>another .hack gamenice
>>557607078Samefag cope. Shows you're insecure about your shit taste.
>>557607514>samefagnice meme, but that was my first post today
>>557607567Prove it. Show me your IP and social security numbers.
>>557606695>Yes, we do, because all of them are weaker than Goku every single time we see or hear about their powers.We don't know that, because there are times when they are stronger in an unquantified manner.>It's really really obvious you're just moving the goalpost here after trying to claim you had no idea where someone could get the idea that Vegeta retired from. Yes I when I said "I don't know where you got that from" the sentiment behind it was wrong. There is reason to think that Vegeta did quit.There is just greater evidence that he didn't so you were still wrong when you claimed he quit. We were both wrong, right?>No, Piccolo waved at them saying he could still beat all of them at once, they confirm he can and they sit the fuck down behind the line Piccolo just drew.Anime Filler, I forgot the Vegeta line, but I've been up and down Goku vs Ma Jr. and I can't find this shit. Unless this page is what you are talking about.
>>557607879>We don't know that, because there are times when they are stronger in an unquantified manner.They are stronger than they used to but not stronger than Goku.>Unless this page is what you are talking about.Yeah, that's the one.
>>557606960Goku tries to step up to Jiren the first time for some not man on man action. Goku can't handle Jiren's mighty thrusts and expert hand movements so Goku cums before they even finish shooting the first scene.Director calls in caulifla and kale to slowly but surely work Goku up again while Jiren goes off set to hang out for a bit, the gay shoot has become a MFF threesome shoot for a while, working together caulifla and kale suck, grind and tease Goku until he's not only aroused but he's ready for a pentration scene now, Caulifla and Kale merge into Kefla for this and now it's a full on sex scene, it starts a bit in femdom with Kefla putting Goku in an amazon press for a bit daring him to embrasses himself and cum while she speeds up her hip movements but Goku hangs tough, Kefla starts getting tired and just when she starts to slow her movement Goku punches flips Kelfa on her back and now the amazon position has become missionary, Kefla's starting to feel it more than Goku as she gasps and moans with each thrust but Goku has to complete his contract with Jiren so the missionary becomes a full on mating press plap plap plap as while he's feeling it to Goku can't cum because he still needs to shoot the scene with Jiren to get paid today, Kelfa has completely lost herself in the pleasure and cums, Goku pulls his still erect cock out of her just as Jiren steps back on set and disrobes, now it's on for real.Thats the purpose of that fight and that does not sit well with me.
>>557608156>They are stronger than they used to but not stronger than GokuProbably not, but we don't know that, I don't think that, but we don't know that. And it doesn't mean they are so weak they would be in Base Goku's way.>>557608156>Yeah, that's the one.Nobody confirms anybody could beat anyone here. Tien's or Yamcha's line is about Goku and how it is impressive that Goku is still in fighting shape despite the hole in his chest. Piccolo doesn't have substantial injuries for "those injuries" to be referring to.
What is wrong with you guys, have you gone mad from the lack of games or something? Listen to yourselves, lewd posting, power level posting and lore posting like you're /dbs/. I think it's time for this general to take a brake, at least until the battle hour
>>557608394>Nobody confirms anybody could beat anyone here.He says 'I can kill you all first if you want' and they all shit themselves talking about his power, pretending it's not obvious is just bad faith.>but we don't know that,I mean, we do, just look at the official power levels.
>>557608170You need to leave.>>557608949>lewd posting,We always do that.
>>557609019The what? What page can I find those on? Somebody points a scouter at Buu Saga Tien? I don't remember that.
>>557609145Okay so you're indeed just behaving in bad faith pretending we don't know for a fact Buu Saga Tenshinhan is weaker than Goku, cool.
>>557609273I do know that Tien is weaker than Goku. Goku can turn into a Super Sayian and a Super Sayian 2 and a Super Sayian 3, and he transform with Kaioken too. Tien can't transform and he isn't a Namekian or something shown to be able to reach Super Saiyan levels of power through effort alone.I don't know Tien's or Goku's precise power level, because the last scouter on screen was on a random Frieza force minion several dozen Chapters ago. I also don't know exactly how strong they are relative to each-other for many reasons but mostly because Tien doesn't do anything, like he is on screen for three panels?
>Frieza>Tien>Sayian
>>557609019>he (Piccolo) says "I can kill you all first if you want"Yes. He does say that.>They shit themselves talking about his (Piccolo's) powerNo. Just obviously wrong, I can barely see how you think the "he" with "those injuries" is Piccolo. There are two "he"s there and one has substantial injuries the other doesn't.
>>557610141>Tien>FriezaThose are their "official" English names>SayianPotato Potouto
>>557610161Wait, you're so retarded, you think they're talking about Goku? Lmao.
>>557610161>I can barely see how you think the "he" with "those injuries" is PiccoloSo you're barely capable of basic reading comprehensionThe character who was just the primary focus of the previous panel is the one being referred to in the panel immediately following, not the character who is not relevant on that page or the past 3 panels before that.Yes, referring to Piccolo Jr. who was just shown down for a nine count after the meteor combo and is battered, bruised, bleeding from the mouth, and has an eye half closed.
>>557611158>The character who was just the primary focus of the previous paneSame character who's just made a display of power directed at the characters saying that too.
>>557611158>>557610976Piccolo was on panel last before Krillin is this "it" Krillin is referring to Piccolo too?By the way do Tien and Krillin and Yamcha all just miss Goku slowly standing back up in your world, because they don't comment on it otherwise, when they just thought he was functionally dead 10 seconds ago
>>557611492You think Tien is reacting in panic and fear because goku is standing back up and not because piccolo just blasted at them?You think Krillin and Tien are reacting in disbelief and barely contained joy when Goku is flying in? Do you honestly think that?Dragon ball is the most straightforward fucking series in the world to read and somehow you still have neanderthals like yourself fucking it up on the most basic levels.
>rapes your gfwhat do you do?
>>557611656>You think Tien is reacting in panic and fear because goku is standing back upI think Krillin, Tien and Yamacha are shocked their friend with a crushed chest that also has a hole in his chest is not only standing back up but is still powerful. I think they are worried about their friend who is suffering from the aforementioned conditions, continuing to fight a warrior that is trying to kill him.I think those are totally sane reactions to the situation. Explain why they wouldn't be shocked and worried.>You think Krillin and Tien are reacting in disbelief and barely contained joy when Goku is flying in?Tien doesn't seem to be that happy, but I literally can't imagine why else Krillin is smiling.
>>557611492>>557612062You're insanely retarded, it's unbelievable.
This thread is so funny. People will have a meltdown over the most ridiculous subjects.
>>557612326Sounds like you have no counter argument. Krillin would of course be worried for his friend.
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>>557612571You are indian and it really really shows. That 70 IQ really is something else.
>>557595914>>557596608from Namek onwards Krillin is consistently portrayed as a scaredy cat, in canon. obviously you can justify this with the fact he was seriously outmatched from Nappa onwards, but the fact remains he wasn't the cocky punk he was as a kid anymore.
>>557612824>Krillin is consistently portrayed as a scaredy cat, in canon.No, he isn't, he just reasonably react to threats the same way he always did, it's nowhere near close to how he is in the fillers and the Z movies.
>>557612874>reasonably reactsold Krillin wasn't "reasonable", he'd throw himself into fights purely because a buddy needed his help, regardless of the personal risk. need I remind you how, after seeing Yamcha get killed, he charged straight into battle against a half dozen Saibamen?
>>557613019I am hearing reports live in the studio that Krillin would not have fought Piccolo Jr. despite all the times he goes to fight Piccolo Jr. before being interrupted.
>>557607218>not imoq fug
>>557613019>He wasn't reasonable, he just fought when he had no choice without someone dyingThat's reasonable, your view of Krillin is super weird.>>557613093>I am hearing people accurately reminding me that Krillin, Yamcha and Tenshinhan tried to step to a wounded Piccolo, he flexed on them and they stayed put while shitting their pants at his power because that's what happened.You're a retard
>Obvious /dbs/ non-sequitur schizo posts>One retard insisting that Krillin not being a fearless top tier is the same as getting cucked and pissed on>Probably the same retard completely failing to read a very simple sequence of actions and who's power the characters are referringLeast obvious raid ever.
>>557613489>no choicethis is your last morsel of food you're getting fed, thread troll.
>>557613640>I am running away, no u!Good, shut the fuck up, retard.
>>557613489Tien would never fight Piccolo Jr. you're right.
>>557613815>He offered to help while Piccolo was fighting Goku, that totally change he was shitting his pants after Piccolo did a show of power to make them stay putOnce again you genuinely can't read.
>>557613903Tien would never fight Piccolo Jr. alone, you're right.
>>557614131where is Krillin?
>>557614274Getting the off switch for 17 and 18. Krillin also fought Piccolo Jr.
>>557614131>He got in Cell's way for 5 seconds decades later STOP POINTING OUT WHAT HAPPENED AGAINST PICCOLO NOW!!!!No, you look at the page, get on your knees and apologize for being wrong, a retard and illiterate.
>>557614578Look at what page? The one where he fought Piccolo Jr by himself? He lost, hard but he objectively was willing to fight Piccolo Jr. without Goku's help.Tien EXPLICITLY isn't fighting Piccolo Jr. so Goku doesn't get disqualified. Literal text, any other reason, is head canon.
>>557614474>man thinking with his dick
>>557614794>THIS PAGE IS HEADCANON, STOP IT! >>557607879No, that page is Tenshinhan being made to 'sit down' by Piccolo with 0 effort.Now get on your knees and say sorry.
>>557615004No if Tien attacked Piccolo, Goku would be disqualified retard.
>>557614852Reddit is that way.
>>557615049>He just doesn't want Goku to be disqualified, that's why he tried to jump in and was made to sit down by Piccolo flexing on him!Cope
>>557615094he explicitly went into a rage because Cell absorbed 18. Cell Saga is the Krillin Simp Saga. or would you like to pretend he didn't risk the fate of the whole world on the hope 18 would be grateful he spared her life?
>>557615213Piccolo was going to kill Goku. Then Piccolo wasn't so Tien and Krillin stopped.It's explicit that they don't want Goku to get disqualified. So unless stated otherwise Tien doesn't want Goku to lose the tournament.
>>557615342>Would you like to pretend the thing the manga directly say didn't happen didn't happen?!Krillin specifically wasn't expecting any gratefulness, he just didn't want to kill innocents, which included 16. The manga directly has the characters say it directly.
>>557615415>Then Piccolo flexed on them and they shat themselves talking about his power*Fixed it for you, illiterate retard.
>>557615478Some people can't read and prefer their headcanon.
>>557615678>Calls others illiterate>Ignores lines when inconvenient to his incorrect interpretation
>>557615824>Goku caring about something earlier is the same as Tenshinhan caring about laterIlliterate cope.
>>557615685It's not even a headcanon, it's just them repeating an unfunny meme that they adopted as their genuine opinion for some reason.
>>557615974If Tien doesn't care about what Goku says why does he jump back to the spectator area?
>>557616172Because the situation wasn't that serious yet and he knew he'd just get in Goku's way. Next cope.
>>557616484If he knew he'd get in Goku's way why did he offer to help?
>>557616564Because he wouldn't have gotten in Goku's way if Goku was willing to be helped, you retard.
>>557616817..and he wouldn't get in Goku's way later because...
>>557617000Because Piccolo flexed on him and he was shitting his pants at the power gap, as literally shown on the page.
>>557617090That's a reason Tien would be in the way.
>>557617124And?
>>557616484>Because the situation wasn't that serious yetI missed this. Piccolo Diamo just ressurected and efeated God. This was the most serious thing Tien could imagine happening.>>557617282>Question asked:Why wouldn't Tien get in the way later>Answer given: A reason Tien would be in the way laterYou can say I'm running away but I think I'm done here.
Let's be friends instead of arguing about a comedic prequel to the best anime series of all time, Dragon Ball Z. Super Dee Duper!!!
I guess Chapter 194 of Dragonball is a prequal to Chapter 195 of Dragonball
>Dragonball Super>There are only 28 inhabited planets>Dragonball>Frieza Planet #79Is Toyotaro actually retarded?
>>557617508Goku was handling Piccolo in a 1 on 1 fight and wasn't on the backfoot, it wasn't that serious.>I am done here because my question made no senseYou are actually defeated.
>>557618051Note is pure?
>>557618334Even if we counted all the races we know in DB that'd easily make over 28 planets. And no way characters like all the Ginyu Force members would come from the same planet, so that already makes 5 for example.
The question of Jiren's morality will be answered this august when they add Devilman to Sparking Zero
>>557627558Watch it because Toriyama is a bad writer, Earthlings can look like Bergamo. How do we know Burter and Jayce aren't he same species.
This whole talk of Toriyama's Krillin vs Toei's Krillin reminds that GS has something particularly funny. Krillin there can actually give Broly a hard time. Broly takes more damage from energy based attacks, which is Krillin's entire kit, and unlike most top tiers, Broly has no energy attacks outside of his ult, so he can do nothing against Krillin's S1 (You can pop the mines with energy attacks), so if Broly knows Krillin left mines somewhere, he can do nothing about them besides moving around them, while other characters just destroy them, so Broly also has to be careful when using S2 to not activate them, and that's if he knows they're there, if he doesn't, he can be caught offguard and take damage, and it'll be heavy if he's hit by more than one. Krillin's S2 can also annoy Broly by blinding him but it doesn't stop Broly from attacking, but it's worth nothing too. It's like Krillin is having revenge on Koyama kek.
>>557618334yes, but you know that uninhabited planets could just get numbers right?
>>557628975In what way does Frieza own it if nobody lives their. Might as well name Mars China Planet #2
Why is he lying?
>>557615478>he just didn't want to kill innocentsThey were planning to kill Goku and 18 let some truck driver die from Vegeta's kki blast when she could have just kicked it back at him lmao. That's just the manga coming up with bullshit excuses so that Cell can eat 18 and the plot can move forward. Man was thinking with his dick over a meaningless, teasing peck on the cheek.
>>557630371Goku doesn't seem to mind people trying to kill him>let some truck driver die from Vegeta's kki blast when she could have just kicked it back at him lmaoI think Vegeta is to blame for that.
Even the manga pages shows her kissing him played a factor in not pulling the trigger and Dragon Ball niggas still wanna call bad writing headcanon instead of just bad writing lmao
>>557630653>A factor
>>557629062by owning it? like a plot of empty land, they don't have to have a thriving civilization on each rock they get the title deed to, just to plant a flag and add it to the portfolio
why did 18 just kind of randomly kiss krillin anyways that was pretty weird
>>557630785Sexual assault isn't wrong in the story of dragonball. Mashi Roshi exists as a hero.
>>557630785it's called flirting, not that I expect anyone here to be familiar with female attention
>>557630951I dont have a friend group I can watch get beaten half to death by a prospective gf, so I guess that's why I'm still a virgin
By the time of the Cell Saga half the non-future Z warriors tried to kill Goku.Tien, Krillin and Gohan didn'tYamcha, Piccolo and Vegeta didIt's just not that big of a deal.
>>557631674Piccolo and gohan straight up did kill goku, tbf
>>557630719I mean, I would think that it wasn't a factor if it wasn't for the fact that Krillin actually had a flashback to a insignificant moment where the hot fembot kissed him after beating up his pals lol. Whether unprovoked or not, Krillin was still shitting bricks when they came up to him and disapproved of them trying to find and kill GokuIf there was no flashback or Krillin hadn't gone "as long as 18 is happy with 17 then I'm happy" after Cell's defeat then I'd be fine with Krillin not pushing the button. All it does is scream typical "nice guy" shit
>>557630371>They were planning to kill GokuGoku's okay with that, it comes with being a martial artist.>let some truck driver die from Vegeta's kki blast when she could have just kicked it back at him lmao.That's on Vegeta.>That's just the manga saying I'm wrongYes, exactly.
>>557631934>You can't spitefully leave the off switch in somebody for not dating you without being called a nice guyIsn't the nice guy meme about expecting rewards from women for being nice?
>>557629597He did okay in Daima. They should have removed Vegeta and Piccolo and just given him and Glorio a fight each.
>>557631934>or Krillin hadn't gone "as long as 18 is happy with 17 then I'm happy"That's the exactly the opposite of a nice guy.
>>557632049>Goku's okay with that, it comes with being a martial artist.Doesn't disupute anything lol>That's on Vegeta.Doesn't dispute anything, she could easily deflect the blast lol>Yes, exactly.I know y'all DB niggas wanna call bad writing headcanon doesn't mean it is headcanon lol
>>557632351>You didn't go out of your way to save somebody you are a bad personLol
>so embarrassingly bad Toriyama personally took a shit on its image for the Dragon Ball 30th anniversary book and made Toei kill it for eight years, then erase half of it and fix the other half until it's worth adapting the post-UI arcs Tori and his boy made in-between the moviesI wonder if we could consider this fate worse than GT's. GT was no doubt worse but since there's no straight up superior version of the series its fans stay loyal to it, but the original Super anime will now forever be the black sheep of the Super "branch" of DB.
>>557632481And yet still better than Daipa.
>>557632351>Doesn't disupute anything lolIt does, it's not a big deal to want to kill a guy who put his life on the line for fights as his lifestyle and they didn't even get to actually try.>Vegeta's bullshit is on 18Not really, no.>niggas me no read, manga be wildinYou are brown.>>557632481>>557632534You're both faggots and should go back.
>>557632803>It does, it's not a big deal to want to kill a guy who put his life on the line for fights as his lifestyle and they didn't even get to actually try.Doesn't dispute anything, still tried to kill his bro lolAnd his other bros were actually gonna die if Krillin didn't give them a senzu, 17's own words lol>Not really, no.Yeah it is lol>You are brown.Nah, you DB niggas are just like Sonic fans lolComing up with weird mental gymnastics to excuse bad writing. It's OK though DB is full of bad writing
>>5576183341. The 28 planets thing is from both versions so as far we know it's a Toriyama's idea. Toei introduces way too many aliens randomly to have only 28 planets and the Moro arc (Toyotaro) also has "countless worlds" Moro eats so none of them seem to go with that idea.2. It's planets with sapient lifeforms so depending on Freeza #79 it may not count, it could be just a glorified space base for a branch of the army, rather than a planet with its own inhabitants.3. They refer to the planets Shin knows about, and he's canonically incompetent at his job so it doesn't mean that's the actual number, just the ones Shin can locate. Jaco himself mentions countless worlds too, and his own manga also works under the premise there are way more worlds even just in the milky way alone.
>>557632803I'm sorry your feelings were hurt but that's not my intention dumbass I genuinely wonder how the Super anime will be remembered now that we have not just the movies or the manga but even a straight up upgraded version, if you don't think it's a discussion worth having you can just ignore it
>>557634448 This is like saying no one remembers or cares about DBZ anymore because Kai exists
>>557633340>>55761833428 planets technically doesn't contradict anything but is still such a retarded line because it serves basically no purpose (U7 is weak and muh low mortal level but that shit is so ill defined; U7 could have hundreds of planets of sub mr. satan level shitters and the intent wouldn't change) but limits the worldbuilding by a comical degree
>>557633326>Doesn't dispute anythingYes, it does.>nuh uhCope.>dis be wildin wiz da letters!Brown.
>>557635042That would imply the difference between DBZ and DB Kai is the same as the difference between DBS and DBS "Kai" and if you believe that you either haven't seen a single thing about DBS Beerus announcement or are mentally unwell and in need of medication.
>>557633340>>557635165If we ignore what inhabited means then yes.
>>557635165>but is still such a retarded lineNot really, it's mostly a pointless line because 'Planet with civilizations that would matter for the TOP' means nothing.>>557635476The difference between DBS and DBS Beerus is probably gonna be even smaller than Kai since BOG is such a short arc.
>>557635042I'm sorry you're reduced to begging for attention here
>>557632173>>557632342Krillin doesn't act entitled or demands reciprocity like your typical Nice Guy, the point is about selective heroism. Ask yourself, would he have done all this if it were just 17? Would he act like a knight in shining armor?Fuck no he wouldn't. He doesn’t crush the remote because "all life is sacred" Thorfinn style. He crushes it cause she’s hot and showed some interest in the monk who spent most of his with other men. Even him wishing them to be humans is cause of his crush on 18
If SS Blue Kaioke and SS Blue Evolution don't appear in the Super Remake, does that mean those forms will no longer be available in the games?
>>557635476I'd love to see the someone do a kai-kai and splice SoM remastered original footage back in over redraws and censored panels, maybe clean up some of the worst recuts to flow better, just to see the best possible rendition of the ideawouldn't even be the most autistic fan project
>>557635449>Yes, it does.Nah lol>Cope.No u>Brown.Europe actually lol
>>557636172>Ask yourself, would he have done all this if it were just 17?Yes. Just like he went out of his way to help 16.
>>557636315>>Brown.>Europe actually lolIsn't that the same thing?
>>557635598The difference between DBS and DBS Beerus is, from the trailer alone, bigger than anything from Kai. You don't even have to check at what the multiple leakers say is coming or the official statements about them changing story beats to be closer to Toriyama's vision, just from the trailer alone you can see a hundred times more change than anything from Kai compared to Z
>>557636172I don't know. Does Krillin have to save 17? Would you blame somebody for killing him?
>>557636315Get madder, brown.
>>557636410Maybe depends on where in Europe>>557636616Sneed lol
>>557636180Why would that be the case? The games have never cared about canon, they just sell things the kids watched on the screen, it would be like how Budokai 3/Shin Budokai 2 add SS4 even in parts where they don't fit in the story mode, you would just have SSB being more prominent and respected and SSBKK and SSBE would be "extras".
>>557636180We still get Z Broly despite DBS Broly in games, same for GT SS4 despite Daima SS4. They're not abandoning what's popular and makes money.
>>557636393That's only cause 18 was associating with them
>>557632481In my previous job we got a young lad, fresh new blood, I think he wasn't even 20. It got assigned to me and a since he was a beaner I figured he liked DB and of course I was right, what shocked me was when he explained he watched "the first ones" later as he started with Super first, THAT was his childhood series, the DB anime that began with Beerus and ended with Jiren, and I'm sure many like him will soon be online arguing Super Kai "ruins" the pacing and vibes of the original Super anime by removing all the padding and filler shit, I'm sure we will get unironical drones defending shit like pic related just a year from now.If people can defend GT they can defend anything.
>>557635579antarctica has 15 scientists and some tourists but no permanent population, and is reasonably called uninhabited and would very reasonably not be compared to continents like asia or the americasmill rock in new york's east river is a bird sanctuary but you'd be given odd looks if you insisted it's as inhabited as the islands surrounding itso omitting mining rock 69 from a count of planets like earth or yardrat is a reasonable assumptionyou CAN be pedantic, inhabited could technically refer to transients or even non-sapient animal life, but no one with the correct chromosomal arrangement would be confused if you referred to these places as uninhabited
>>557637401No because we refer to islands as uninhabited only when there are no humans permanently stationed there.If you have permanent habitants you are not uninhabited.
>>557636767Fake laugh harder, brown.>>557636942Cope
>>557636450I don't see that big of a difference. It's mostly retouching existing scenes like Kai.
>>557636450 Are you not familiar with trailers showing the best parts to trick dumbasses into getting hyped for products? Wait for it to be out first before you make grand sweeping declarations. The scenes they showed in the trailer may likely be the bulk of what they actually touched up for that arc
>>557637794normally yes, but by dictionary definition you can call something inhabited even if temporarily and even refer to animals inhabiting a placeif someone's being a pedantic asshole about how frieza owning planets has to correlate to the number of inhabited planets because some guy might be posted there then the other uses of the word have to be addressed and preempted
>>557472423First Broly christmas, now kefla Valentines.whats with these Legendary super saiyans being holiday Releases?
>>557638304Even if the entire rest of the anime is 1:1 identical, what we've seen is still much bigger of a difference than kai
>>557636450God I wanna fuck Beerus raw
>>557638506Considering Frieza is constantly expending resources to expand his empire, I assume he does something with the planets.
you know this uninhabited inhabited stuff aside, who exactly is the market for these planets? Like there has to be someone the PTO is selling to after all but who exactly has the population to just keep buying up newly genocided planets. They don't even get the inhabitants as slaves as part of the deal they just get the physical planet and that's it
>>557638909>I assume he does something with the planets.According to Toriyama, the entire planet trading thing is literally his hobby. It does not serve an actual purpose.
>>557639318Toriyama's dead so why should I care?
>>557639392Because nobody cares about you despite you being alive.
In the demon realm bathrooms are free to use, proving the demon realm is kinder than europe
>>557639593That's because demons aren't brown.
>>557638909yes, mining, military bases, literally just owning them because they were within his territory and there'd be no reason NOT to claim them>>557639243rich asshole warlords? we see some homeless ayys buy a planet after theirs blew up in granolah or something like that but I assume it's mostly some rich assholes like the poachers who don't represent an entire race but a small gangmind you while it does possibly track within the story that doesn't make the concept less stupid
>>557638065The scene from the post you replied to doesn't even exist in the DBS anime you retard, if you don't know what you are talking about then stop talking.>>557638304Like the other guy said all those scenes alone make up for a bigger chance than anything Kai did to Z so you have absolutely no argument here, the rest of the arc could be exactly the same as in the original anime and it would still be a bigger change.
>>557636450Lay off the treats, Beerus...
>>557638714Homosexual
>>557640159We see Beerus sleeping like that multiple time in the anime.
>>557640159>other guyLiterally nobody is fooled, man.
>>557638065did kai even "retouch" scenes as an improvement? as far as I remember they only did redraws because the film masters were stupidly degraded and tried (and failed miserably) to keep them as faithful as possible, I can't think of a single time they took a DBZ frame with the intention to improve it directly like they're doing with super
>>557640467>he's still trying after being called outPlease, post the BoG episode screenshot with Beerus sleeping exactly like that. If it's the same as Kai it should be the same exact scene, the same exact drawing, the same exact cell, everything identical just in "HQ" and with different colors. I'm waiting.
>>557639845>rich asshole warlords?Freeza's planet trade is a direct analogue to 90's Japan Land Sharking so quite literally anyone can be a client for a planet, just like anyone was a client for lands in 90's japan.
>>557640745>How dare you continue to be right after my tumblr callout post saying you were a meanie!It's okay to admit your crossboard shitpost failed.
I can't even parse what you niggas are angry about this time.
>>557640590Schizobro you are literally the only person in the entire internet who thinks DBS Beerus changes are similar to DB Kai ones, take your meds or fuck off
>>557641040Don't bother, your 50 IQ points are already overworked enough by writing at all.
>>557641089It's really obvious it's just you, man.
>>557640895Post the scene from the OG Super anime's BoG arc they edited into this to prove your claim of "Super Kai" being a similar change as Kai was. Last chance.
>>557641110What you even mad about yn
>>557641040everything in this thread starts as autistic shitflinging over the most inane shit and devolves into retarded shitposting once it's run its courseit's all so tiresome
>>557637910You mad lol
>>557641425>>557641551Brown spam
>the hundreds of posts, pics and the like talking about the differences between the original Super anime and the new one all came from one single guyholy fuark...
>>557641372>Prove the obvious that even the anime's own staff agrees on according insiders! Last chance!Or what? You'll cry and fuck off back to your containment thread? You're so lonely with that autistic delusion that even the people making DBS Beerus don't agree with you.
>>557641606Yup he mad lol
>>557641532We're slowly becoming /dbg/
>>557641786Still brown I see
>>557641908Or, has as been obvious for hours and been pointed out by multiple anons, there's obviously one or two /dbs/ fags shitting up the thread. Which is why it wasn't like this yesterday and won't be like this tomorrow.
>>557636180Modern games still add GT stuff
>>557636180Fucking Turles shows up in DB games
>>557641908Learn to recognize Luigi and ignore him. Yes ignore when he tries to advert attention too>w-what are you talking about? Leave that discord drama out of here! R-reject!Until you guys learn we won't be free of his shitposting and we won't have a truly safe space to discuss DB like civilized people
>>557642773Stop begging people to RP with you.
>>557642598>>557642508But the spirit of Christmas form Goku takes against Lord Slug doesn't
>>557642773>I know I always show up screeching the same schizo buzzword whenever the thread get shat up but I'm totally not the problem, it's totally Nintendo sending its mascots to attack us!Kill yourself.>>557642968That form is just Super Saiyan. It just looks wrong because it came out before Super Saiyan was actually revealed in the manga. That's why.
>>557643081No it's Super Sayian Omen, Dumbass
>>557643148What?
>>557643242Like Ultra instinct omen, but for Super Saiyan.
>>557642968That form has never been added to games before, exists for two minutes in an extremely non-canon movie and is a placeholder for the actual form that is in 99% of DB games (SS). SSBKK and SSBE happened in the version normies consumed years ago, appeared in multiple episodes and are already in videogames, no reason to expect companies to start pulling them out.
>>557643505You mean like Beast -Omen-
>>557643545>That form has never been added to games beforeI think some gachas have it
>There's genuinely people ITT that think Luigi isn't a real nameGrim.
>>557642968it's too deep a cut for fitan games like SZ or FighterZ when they're still scrambling to include actual characters people care about and XV doesn't really have anywhere it could slot in since the 500 other SS forms cover all the bases for builds already at best it would be a goku preset tossed in as some sort of out of left field bonus the devs add to an update or dlc in XV, like pikkon
>>557642773>Learn to recognize Luigi and ignore him.I don't know or care who this Luigi is. If an argument is too autistic and aggressive, like the current Super Kai one, I don't participate.
Expecting SSBKK and SSBE to be cut from games because they could be cut from Super Kai is like expecting SS4 to be cut after BoG dropped. The forms are already in the system and there will always be people who want to play as them, they aren't removing them under any circumstance, at best they will be seen less because the two arcs after the ToP one have Goku and Vegeta using proper "beyond SSB" forms at will, but the previous forms will still exist in some games.
>>557643802My favorite form is Super Saiyan Blue -Omen-.
>>557646071i'm personally quite partial to super saiyan 2 -Omen- myself
>>557646239>posts Super Saiyan 3 -Omen- -Omen-
>>557644995 Don't expend your dignity answering such a braindead question, anon. Yeah retards, they're totally gonna completely cut popular, profitable forms because they might not show up in a rerelease of a 10 year old tv show
In all seriousness, pic related is literally Super Saiyan 4 (Rosé) -Omen-
Is Blue Evolution a popular form, I assume it would be less popular the Super Saiyan 2
>>557646239Any fans of Baby Vegeta -Omen- here?
this type of stuff is unironically the kind of stupid shit I stay in this thread for
>>557647275It's not very popular but it has its fanbase, specially when compared to regular Blue since it solves the three big problems the form had in the anime>Blue is used all the time as if it was the new SS2. Evolution was only seen in the last third of the final arc>Blue seems weak as fuck precisely for how often it's used. Evolution is literally Blue Grade 2 so it feels stronger>Blue looks teal, looks even greenish sometimes. Evolution has way nicer blue hueThe same problems DBS Broly's SSB avoided and made the general public like the form more.
I'm happy he's being added to the game, but I wish he wasn't relegated to DLC. Sparking Zero would be much better if it had Piccolo -Omen- on the base roster.
>>557649457Piccolo Jr. -Omen-...
Man all this talk about forms reminds me of my favorite form, Super ultra instinct 1
>>557649821You just made me realize picrel is Orange Piccolo Omen
Thoughts on LSS Omen?
>>557646859>Yeah retards, they're totally gonna completely cut popular, profitable forms because they might not show up in a rerelease of a 10 year old tv showI actually find it funny that post BoG is when Heroes started giving out SS4 to other characters and Hero Avatars. Didn't Gohan get SS4 around the time RoF came out? Plus SS4LB was created too.
>>557649038 Blue is still shit, people just loved Gogeta
>>557642968>weebzooms too underaged to spot the Abridged reference, respond to the post seriously instead of entering the usual DUBSLOP FANFIC melty modeHehehehe
>>557651012People likes DBS Broly's SSB even outside Gogeta, anon.
>>557651392I love it when a mentally ill schizophrenic responds to my post that has nothing to do with them
I'm going ape for Kamin cooch.
>>557651489 Are these people in the room with you right now?
The Megarath episode is the worst Dragonball media I have see
>>557651650No, they are all over internet, you can just google "Super Saiyan Blue DBS Broly" and see people talking about it, schizo. Ever since the first time we saw it people have liked the darker blue version and every time media uses that one instead the shitty teal from the anime people praise it. Have you been living under a rock?
For me, it's Kaioken -Omen-
>>557652486>Blue is a good form now because it has a darker color Actual 70IQ post
>>557652845Wrong pic
>>557650092I wish there were more visual differences between Ultra Vegeta Number 2 and Ultra Vegeta Number 3.
>>557653076>changing the goalpostYikes, try better bait
>>557644995>SSBKK and SSBEThey are going to be DLC now btw, all canon forms will be in the base of the games
If the new Super is going to cut closer to the Manga, then is HIV-AIDs omen going to get cut.
>>557632481I really only like the slice of life, so if there's less of that, it's a lesser show. Fixing the animation won't fix Super.
>>557653693In my opinion the biggest loss would be removing EoZ Pan -Omen-
>>557654631>so non-canon this NOT happening is a plot point in the last Toriyama movie100% being cut
>>557654631We don't even know how much they're adapting. We might not even get Tournament of Power -Omen-.
>>557655336No that's U9vU7 tournament -omen-
Why the fuck does the Demon Realm have guns capable of three shoting Buu level fighters?
>>557655675They don't?
>>557655965Why doesn't Goku go SSJ3, and destroy the entire army instantly then?
>>557656097>why didn't Goku transform into his strongest form right away hereYou can say that for half of the franchise's scenes
>>557656505No actually you can't. This is Primarily an anime filler meme.I can go down the list of every fight Goku does in the Manga after he learns the Kaioken if you really need me to.>What about the pre-kaioken fightsGoku doesn't transform in the Great Ape #1 because he doesn't know he can, #2 because he loses all control over himself.
>>557657760Just in case you aren't being obtuse on purpose when I say Goku I mean anyone in general. When characters have multiple transformations they don't normally use the strongest one right off the bat, at all
>>557654537>Fixing the animation won't fix Super This is something retard DB fans are incapable of understanding. These are the same people who unironically enjoy ai slop anime battles. Flash and spectacle is literally all they care about
>>557658165Holy shit I was writing out a big list, only to realize you are going to use the four examples of a character delaying their transformation for their Ego to apply to Goku who is surronded by his friends who are a serious risk of dying.>Vegeta believes a low class warrior is too far below him to touch him, and doesn't value anyone who could lose to a low class warrior, so he delays transformation until he realizes he's wrong>This is exactly the same as Goku refusing to transform while Shin and Piccolo could die at any time hurr durr
>>557659918him not pulling out super saiyan 3 to oneshot vegeta despite knowing drawing out the fight was probably gonna release buu was pretty wack
>>557660867Transformating into SSJ3 and breathing probably would have released BuuAnyway most people think the Buu arc is shit? So your defense of Diama is to defend what most people don't like?
>>557661016i'm not even the same anon you were conversing with anon i'm just talking about transformations in general. Also I'm pretty sure what was giving babidi energy was his fighters hitting you, given there were absolutely no qualms about goku deciding to fuck around and flash into 2 to punk yakon
>>557661171No it's taking damage that releases energy into the ship. If Goku shot SSJ2 Vegeta all of Vegeta's energy would have just instantly flooded into Buu and considering SSJ2 Gohan who is explicitly cucked filled the release Buu meter to half, I see no reason why Vegeta's energy wouldn't release Buu.I think the only time a character doesn't transform without a well written reason is, Gotenks him just being a kid and thefore arrogant is thin, and Gohan SSJ1 against Dabra for no reason.
>>557661510Nah it seems to explicitly be damage they recieve. If goku went ss3 and dodged all of vegeta's attacks buu wouldn't have been able to take much
>>557661712Is Goku smart enough for that? Delay Vegeta by dodging repeatedly while Gohan kills Dabra and Babadi before taking the Buu orb off its charger? If we want debate if Goku not turning SSJ3 against Vegeta, is a mistake we can. But even if it is, it doesn't help Diama in any way, not saying the SPECIFICALLY for you but just in general.
>>557662221Goku is supposed to be a really smart fighter, anon. It was kind of his whole thing for a while until buu saga kind of pushed him into being a lot more arrogant which kept going into super. People bitch about superku but buuku is COMICALLY arrogant and dismissive it's really weird
>>557662389>Goku is supposed to be a really smart fighterI mean he is thinking about the Buu orb as a fight? >arrogantI don't know about arrogant, Goku wants to have faith in his sons and his friends, but he realizes that everyone is a cuck because Toriyama can't write without his editor holding his hand, so learns he has to do basically everything himself.
>>557663781I'm not talking about leaving everything to the next generation. I'm talking about goku deciding to crush the potara and treating the fight against kid buu like it's a game and he doesn't have to care that much and casually saying "yeah bro I could've defeated fat buu easily"
>>557663982He says probably to Piccolo right? Did I make up a line to cope>PotaraVegeta already broke the other Potara was already broke that one was useless, unless Potara don't come in pairs.
>>557664329he actually says he DOESNT think he'd be able to beat buu to piccolo then later on in buu saga he says that actually he would have been able to. So he just straight up lied to piccolo's face for no reason. You cant even say that it was for "the next generation" because piccolo already respect's goku's decision to leave it to his kids and he therefore would not need to lie to piccolo so he just felt like being cunty I guess
>>557650312actually true lol
>>557664329>Vegeta already broke the other Potara was already broke that one was useless, unless Potara don't come in pairs.True, but he doesn't admonish vegeta or anything or say that was dumb, he agrees with his pride autism and thinks that it was based
>>557664482Oh yeah he does say that to Vegeta. He could also have been lying to Vegeta and not Piccolo. God knows why.>>557664787He says "Vegeta you probably shouldn't do that" or something with a smile.
>>557665718Actually I was straight up wrong, vegeta doesn't crush the potara first, it's goku who denies wanting to use them not even as a backup and vegeta agrees with him and crushes it. Pretty damn arrogant
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>>557666019No this is the second time they break a Potara set. Inside Super buu is the first time.>who denies wanting to use them not even as a backup and vegeta agrees with him and crushes it. Pretty damn arrogantThat is crazy I remember being upset about that. It lead to a cool moment so I didn't let the emotion boil over till I complained about it, then I just earased it. That's really bad now.
