Bhashiva, the Desert Tigress, White Tiger of Shang Yang Edition>Introducing Bhashiva & the Tiger Warriors: https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/blogs/94-introducing-bhashiva-the-tiger-warriors>End of Year Retrospective and looking ahead to 2026 -https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war/blogs/92>Latest Fantasy NewsLords of the End Times - Announce Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPIpN9OKKR4Warhammer Trilogy Retrospective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuCIL3SmIHc TWW3 - Hotfix 7.0.3 opt-in beta: https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/forums/7-total-war-warhammer/threads/12797-total-war-warhammer-iii-hotfix-7-0-3-beta>Latest Historical NewsTotal War 25th Anniversary Showcase (End Times / Medieval 3): https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war/blogs/91-total-war-25th-anniversary-showcaseTotal War Three Kingdoms Retrospective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCwQUSXwA48 Building Medieval 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5AItoj1YRE >Latest 40K newsTotal War Warhammer 40,000 trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVgCDqLTaJk Total War Warhammer 40,000 FAQ: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/4199910/view/655966683127611597Total War Warhammer 40,000 Developer's Vision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njanDkiImPw >Stuff1d6chan: https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Total_War_Warhammer/TacticsRoll Charts: https://imgur.com/a/81snQma>Older TitlesSteam: https://store.steampowered.com/franchise/TotalWar-OfficialPrevious thread: >>557400259
Thanquol soon, friends!
>>557639719Bhashiva soon bros
>>557639829Apparently, in actual fact - probably never.Araby is coming via a cultural dlc pack like Tigermen long before skaven get another dlc.
>>557639719
I TAUGHT I TAW A PUSSY CAT
>>557639984this isn't nearly amusing enough to be posted every thread
Are there male Tigermen. Or just girls?
>>557640085That isn't why people post clouds sis
>>557639719tussy
The 5 dragons? never ever KEK>>557640182only pussy
>>557640286you can't say that
>>557639719>costs less than a burger>I already like the base factionsnot too badI'll buy it if she has good voice acting
>>557640510>costs less than a burgerI'm actually angry about thisburgers should be cheap its a fucking burgersorry for getting upset in public
>>557639719That's a man
https://youtu.be/a5Gebw7VoKA?si=gz1rhrFiFXeATGav&t=371
>>557641071Spesshh Mahreens are the ultimate incel fantasy
>>557641071Bro... post your guro fetish on /b/
>>557641492Technically it's only barely ryona
Legit tranny character
>>557641609>Legit slaneeshi character
>>557641609Nah that would be the generic hero, Styrkaar is just a prideful murderschizo
So another DLC I will have to skip. Grim.
>>557639719This is Mist of Pandariana moment of TWW
>>557641071>marineslop
>>557641760Yeah, basically. GW has no idea what made the original Fantasy cool. This shit is straight out of AoS.
>>557641071Based
LegendGODS triumphantLedditKEKS seething
We're all gonna make it!
>>557642152Tigermen being Cathay subfaction deconfirmed Ind to be honest. It's over for saaars
https://voca.ro/1kewgymCrBqI
>when a lizardman faction discovers skaven
>>557641602Anon come on there's a dead body atop and stretched out faces. It's guro.It would be Ryona if only shackled Sister was there.
>>557642258Sotek confirmed Ind is coming to TOW at some point in the furture in the todays videos
>>557642307I'm gonna be honest.I completely missed those.
>>557641492it just looks cool
>>557642272kek
GORBUZ BACKSTABBA
>>557639719We haven't so much as looked in the direction of TW for a while. What the fuck is this deviantartslop? Can't somebody make a cheat to delete Cathay, and Kislev from the game already?
>>557642283do bearded dragons(?) have enough size to body actual rats? I know mice are easy but rats are fuckers.t. has to rat slay constantly
>>557639719Cathay doesn't fit in Fantasy the same way Tau don't fit in 40kMeaning they fit just fine and people on the internet are incapable of understanding contrast
>>557642646Cathaykeks actually believe this.
>>557642258Not necesarily, you can have the tigermen that went to Cathay and the tigermen that stayed in Ind as different factions
>>557642620They are natural allies
>>557642705Belief implies that the information need not necessarily be true Thus it doesn't apply here because my post is 100% factual
>>557642862CathayDORKS cope with this.SAD
>>557642839kinda cool, like coyote and badger
What will CA's next scam be after Tigermen DLC?
>>557642620>>557642839
>>557642646The only problem I have with Cathay is that it has been made into the straight up good faction of the setting with almost no flaws compared to any other. Tau have the benefit of being a fledging new power into the galactic scene that haven't yet been broken by its horrors so they can play the good guys, and even then there's plenty of things wrong with them. Cathay just gets to be both the good guys and the powerhouse of the setting.
>>557643218rats are getting a little too close to actual hands
>>557641609>Legit tranny character
>>557642362>TT gaming 'enjoyers' renowned for their horrible personal hygiene>Its so bad trannies with diseased axe wounds barely made a dent>Indians mass immigrating to western nations, now going to get their own bullshit cultural faction>So we will have the unholy trifecta B.O and old cum/pus and rot/human excrementWill anyone even notice the new addition within the 'gaming' community?
>>557642152Who is going to be the next one ?I think Khuresh.
>>557643524
>>557643029Monkeys soon
>>557642152Is Pippin in the window to reflect Halflings already basically being soft confirmed or is he just being respectful and smoking outside.
>>557643804Planet of the Apes comics got really weird
>>557642526>We
>>557643989That's Merry
>>557639719>*Note: If you don’t own any Grand Cathay content, don’t worry. With the purchase of Bhashiva, you will also get access to the core Grand Cathay roster to ensure you get a complete experience.That's nice for the people who only own game1/2 and got IE map last update.For 4.99 you can have access to the full base Cathay roster (minus Miao and Zhao ?)
>>557645030>minus Miao and Zhaoi think that's how it work for other DLC like Sister of Twilight or Beastmen in TWW2 they allowed access to the roster but not the original Lords
>>557642152An Albion race doesn't even exist here either hahaha
>CA somehow has to fit Li Dao, Monkey King, and Yin-Yin before the end of the game.>Adds a tigerman LL instead.They are going to give us a CoC style Cathay DLC at this point. It is the only way to fit the remaining stuff.
>>557645280Probably because the in game landmark outright says Albion people are extinct?
>>557645280Saladin's right there, bro
>>557645440Shouldn't we have a little tomb for them in the image then ?
>>557645440lil bit premature of TCALUK, don't you think?
>/twg/ hated Legend because he told us the truthWe are sorry, we really are
>>557645706>I never wanted this...
Do I play wh3 now or wait?
>>5576452822028. Year of the Monkey. End Times at the end of 2026. Do a bunch of character backs in 2027 while announcing a big Cathay DLC coming soon. Drop it chinese new year 2028. It's how I'd jewmax
>>557639719>cathay flankingSounds cool
>>557645440disgusting CAnulore fucks up yet again
>>557645030this is cool art. any more like this
>Make character based on Rakshasas from one of the most popular Hindu mythology things.>Add it to the Chinese race.Are Indians on suicide watch? This is like adding Monkey King as an Ind faction.
>>557646407its from the tabletop, usually cover artyou could probably google with it or alternatively download the books themselves herehttps://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
Do you always put your little niggers up in mountsPlaying chorfs and I think I'll retire my sorcerers to be artillery babysitters instead of flying around
>>557646407
>>557639719Wait the shang yang ping pong dlc legend ranted about was real? I guess the bald fuck was right for once.
>>557645030GC really needs to get a FLC LL at some point. Only the Empire also does not have one at this point, of the base game races.Money is on Li Dao, IF they ever get a FLC lord.
>>557647052We better get Great Spirit Longma at some point. Plus a Shungengan wielding weapons. Martial Arts is cool and all, but riding a Dragon beast and wielding a Guandao is also sick.
>>557645030Why is it always one guy pointing even though barely anyone even looks at him.
Okay now design a DLC to fit the missing lore units to the game for Cathay.First here are the missing lords/heroes.>Li Dao - Grand General of Grand Cathay armies. Wields a spear as we know from Old World.>Yin-Yin - Grand Admiral of the Grand Cathay navy. Wields a sword as we know from Old World.>Monkey King - Wields a wand since he is a spellcaster as we know from Old World.>Shi-Hong - Invented Sky Junk and has it as a mount. Blind and uses a gun from lore. Associated with Yin-Yin.Known missing units from lore.>Ki-Rin/ Ki-Rin Knights - Fire horses and appeared in 2 editions of tabletop with rules.>Temple Dogs - Appeared in 2 tabletop editions with rules. Lore says it is a shared Cathay/Nippon unit. Said to guard temples....new lore in game says almost all the Cathay temples are in the Southern Realm where Li Dao is.>Celestial dragon warrior monks. - Lore only like books from 8th edition. Confirmed by CA Warhammer lead writer they will eventually appear as a playable unit. Their leader is Li Dao.>Monkey Warriors - Exists according to CA blog post. Lore states used by both Monkey King and Li Dao in their armies. Also Durthu's in game content says Wood Elves in Cathay use Monkey Warriors interestingly enough.>Southern vermilion firebirds - Kinda appear in game already with the flying mechanical units. Also in Old World tabletop has models. Mentioned in game landmarks they are fully associated with Li Dao. Landmark dedicated for them also in Li Dao's capital in game. We haven't gotten the separate unit though that lore everywhere says exists.>Nomadic horse archers. - Said in lore to be roaming nomads in the Southern Realm of Li Dao.>One horned Ogres. - Literally no nothing about them except they serve exclusively in the Cathayan army.>Fire/air/earth/sea elemental. - Old Lore says Cathay used them. No idea if this still applies.>Ghoul Cabal - End Times lore unit that Nagash used from Cathay.>Jade Zealots - Jade Vampires loyal to Cathay
>>557648676hes using the force
>>557639719What is this wow shit
>>557648894stop being poor
>>557649091Built for hugs
>>557640085Fuck you I like it
>Bhashiva, the Desert Tigress, White Tiger of Shang Yang Legend of total war said in the Lords of Shang Yang DLC leak video that the Tigerman lord was named Bhashiva. So I am assuming we can expect everything he listed in that DLC? Meaning Yin-Yin is never happening but Li Dao is.
What is your Slaanesh build?
>>557649605
>>557642646Unironic trvth nvke
Tigersis ... Tarriff is already making fun of us ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf3wWFRd4tg
>>557645440BRITANNIA has fallen...
>>557649605Imagine if you were her dad
>>557650457>>557650647hahahaha
>>557650647So who is Poland going to be?
>>557650457
>>557639719Was the pivot fucking real?!
Did you know that Lions and Tigers can crossbreed ?
>>557651018>insert laughing emoji here
>read about Bhashiva being a woman >lame but can be fine if she's hot>check blog>she's a fucking man with a pussy
>>557641071I bet the artist has healthy and loving relationship with his mother
>>557650889
>>557651532It is a lacking design, yes.
>>557651532Still a woman. If you wouldn't, you gay.
>>557649997https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noqmOn8lxZkI just went back to the video from legend of total war.>Says they were working on WW1 total war warhammer as a test game for a new engine but abandoned it and switched fully to warhammer 40k as next game on new engine.>Says Medieval 2 is next after that>Says Star Wars Total War is after that.>Starts out saying they might rearrange DLCs around.>Says Shang Yang DLC is a Cathay DLC with a female Tigerman LL named Bhashiva and a Cathay Ogre lord named Mung the Brutal with Golgfag FLC for Ogres.>Mung apparently has ties to Hung race.(Warhammer Mongolains north of Cathay.)>He also named every unit supposedly in that DLC and it looks like the Tigerman stuff is literally perfectly aligning with the announced Tigermen DLC today.>Said Dogs of War was coming with 2 legendary lords and Dechala as FLC. Said names of LL and LH and all units.>After that DLC he said End Times DLC with Nagash and Neferata.>After that he said a Monkey King vs Wood Elf DLC with a monkey units for both. Names legendary lords and heroes and says Li Dao is FLC. Named all units too.
>>557651149>dragonpussy>catussySo Cathay is basically the promised land for Ulthuan passport bros
>>557651910>Star Wars Total WarBasedfacing internally right now
>>557652269Shame it's just 20 years too late
>>557648801>Yin Sword, Li Dao SpearSource? Cool if true, but I don't recall reading that.>Ki RinI feel like Longma sort of took their place, and giving Cathayans an elite cav unit would take one of the few weaknesses they may actually have entirely away. >Temple DogsJade/Jet lions. >Celestial Dragon Warrior MonksDefinitely expect to see these guys at some point. When was it confirmed they will appear as a playable unit? >Monkey WarriorsI expect there will be a lot of monkeys. The Legend leak certainly seemed to indicate there were a lot and I think its possible; though much like the Tigermen, not as many monkeys as the leak indicated. I certainly would not want two whole DLC sides worth of Monkeys, but definitely a fair amount from low tier to elite.>Vermillion firebirdsThey seem kind of small dont they? Not sure theyd be a unit on their own. I guess if you had a specific "Li Dao" side to a DLC and he was not a FLC they would be a good space filler.>One Horned OgresI think "Leering Devil Maneaters" basically take the place of Cathayan Ogres, and no mention of horns. Think they are just ogres who fight in Cathay(Heck, "Leering Devil" may just be what Cathayans call Ogres if they aren't a specific group).>Nomadic Horse ArchersI have no fucking clue why lore indicates that these fellows live in the jungle. Horse Archers and jungles traditionally don't mix. Horse archers serving Cathay seems fine they should just probably be a unit on the frontiers in the north. >elementalsbig meh. don't think they are needed. Maybe Fire Elemental if they really need to scrape the barrel but it should not be Cathay exclusive in that case.>Ghoul CabalJust because they are ghouls from Cathay I don't think that makes them a Cathayan unit.>Jade ZealotsI dislike the idea of vampires being employed by Cathay immensely. I strongly hope that if we get Jade Blooded vampires they are for counts and as an antagonistic force. Or better, for Coast.
>>557639719I thought I'd abandon the game once they drop slop times, but I guess it will be earlier than that.
>>557646407really? I think its pretty lame. Even by cathays standards.
>>557653020Which game are you moving onto next?
>>557653020What will you do instead??
>some random shit and 10 hobgoblin bolt throwersAI builds some weird armies.
>>557653302>>557653330There is always dominions. Menace is cool too.
>>557652810>Source? Cool if true, but I don't recall reading that.Believe he is referring the Arcane Journals.Arcane Journal: The Breaching of the Great Bastion I believe is the one with all their weapons. Li Dao uses his father's spear since he is the only the child deemed worthy enough to wield it. Yin-Yin uses a sword that heals her made from a fang. Monkey King's weapon is called Monkey King's Wisdom which is a one handed wand/club that boosts his magical abilities. It also makes it sound like the dragon emperor is really harsh on Li Dao making Li Dao feel like he is being punished since he has the worst burden of all the siblings of nonstop war against chaos.
>>557653385I once fight a full Salamanders army
>>557648801Temple Dogs are also in the Tamurkhan book reaffirming they are a thing in lore still.
>>557643357Every instance of Cathay wanking strengthens the Dark Elves
>>557654509wonder if we will ever get another DE DLCI wonder what they could even add outside of Character options
>>557643357>TauStopped reading, Tautrannies leave, Cathay can stay
>>557654605I think they really can't if we're not pulling out things like the Avatar of Khaine out of Morathi's ass so we can have a mecha battle against Vampirates and Cathayan apes
>>557654509the guys who got their black ark sunk?
>>557653670I see, cool. We knew for a while that Li Dao was treated like shit but I suppose that confirms that. Using the Emperors spear is cool though.Yin Yin having a self heal sword is also neat. I really want to see both of them. MK having a one handed staff and not a two handed one is a bit odd.
>chaos just got a bunch of new stuff for n tabletop>Admech is getting new stuff.I think TW40k is the first game that I'm completely fine if my favorite faction (Tau) takes time to come, since they'll get even more new shit by then.
>>557654946Dark elves have sunk multiple black arks sunk. Even the Empire sunk one, and they basically don't have a Navy
>>557655074Im trans btw, if that matters
>>557655125Sorry, didn't mean to reply there
when is the tigerman update dropping? playing other games and i might play warhammer once the new contetnt drops
>>557654946Like that stopped them.>Oooh you sunk one Black ArkProceed to raid Cathay with impunity. Did you know in Naggaroth, their maps don't have Cathay, but Slaves'R'Us ?
>>557655074I wonder what edition will be their ceiling for this game, they can't keep updating it forever right? Right?
>>557654980>MK having a one handed staff and not a two handed one is a bit odd.It isn't a staff at all. It is clearly described as a wand. He is also said to be a master of multiple forms of spellcasting he uses for his tricks.
How did Legendoftotalwar correctly guess the Tigerman LL's name back in 2024?
Today I will remind them
>>557656692he didn't. CA used that name just to mock legend
>>557656856He literally said she was a white tiger though.
>>557655467It was delayed to late spring. Which means probably the last week of April.
>>557656753>maybe the campaign map, but not battlesWhat the hell was dude smoking with this. There's so much ranged already.
> So, who exactly are the Tiger Warriors?>Tales say they were shaped by the Old Ones alongside many other races, dwelling primarily in the lands now known as Ind.Ind are in!! :^)
>>557655654Id expect then to go as far as 13th edition or even 14th, since they plan to keep this alive for 10 years at very least.
>>557657115:D
>>557654605
Is anyone in shock by the sheer amount of content in character packs? I thought it was going to be LL plus 1 generic lord/hero and 2 units. Instead it is a LL/1 generic lord/generic hero and 3 units. This opens the door to completing races like Ogres, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Lizardmen, greenskins, chaos dwarves, and Kislev who got enough units left for a character pack and generics but not enough for a full dlc like the dark elves, norsca, empire, grand cathay, warriors of chaos, skaven, vampire counts, dwarves, and wood elves do. Even if there is just one generic lord or hero left they can just do a legendary hero to make up for it.
>>557639952c'mon, SURELY he'll be in the end times dlcthat's like his whole thing
>>557657816It's a nice little value meal, ngl.I wonder if it will be these between big "End Times" dlc for a slightly higher price point
>Tigermen LL is getting Wind magic of beasts>That is what Monkey King has in old world.>Generic hero spellcaster for tiigermen also getting it.They are basically telling us that Monkey King is going to the LH for winds of beast under Li Dao's DLC. They aren't going to have 2 winds of beasts spellcasters as LL in the same race.
>>557658170Loremaster of Sotek basically said the same thing in his video. If she is getting wind of beasts it means either no monkey king or he is going to be a legendary hero.
>>557657816No, I expect the units will just be reskins. Expect original shadows of change levels of content with flc lord mechanics. Still good value, but nothing amazing.
>monkeyking>Bhashiva>Li DaoNone of this garbage has anything to do with Warhammer. They may as well start adding Dragon Ball characters at this point. At least people car about them.
>>557658170I hope the Monkeymen caster is an Orangutan.
>>557645282who ever said they were going to add Yin Yin??
>>557646812gonna read the Bretonnia book and whip myself into a frothy conniption, thanks anon!
>>557658170To be fair they said the tiger clawspeakers are also getting a lore of life version not just a lore of beasts version. That being said Bhashiva getting Lore of Beasts is basically really screwing Monkey King's LL odds hard.
>>557657115GW really can't go a few months without butchering the lore of one of their IPs.
>>557651910>>Said Dogs of War was coming with 2 legendary lords and Dechala as FLC. Said names of LL and LH and all units.Borgio please
>>557657082thanks
>>557658170Are there any reasons where two LL have the same Wind of Magic? Besides like the monogod ones?
>come back after the news>legendfag and vtumorcuck are still here
>>557657115I think the map will at least become playable. which is a relief to me because it was an awkward blank spot
I can't figure out what I'd do with leadbelchers in my ogre armies.My ogre front line is full of huge models that want to get into melee as soon as possible and it's not like the leadbelchers can fire over them into whatever they're fighting. My ogres also pretty much instantly smash any front line and get into the ranged back line anyway, so those wouldn't be good targets either.I can only think of maybe having one unit around in the niche case that there's a ranged flying unit harassing me.
whats the appeal of dogs of war again? They're just another human faction right?
>>557656753catharsisbros we fucking won
Since Richard Aldridge said future Wood Elves DLC was coming in the End of year video I decided to make a potential one.Potential Wood Elves DLC>LL: Naieth the Prophetess>LH: Scarloc>L: Spellweaver>H: Spellsinger>U1: Venom Dragon(Forge World)>U2: Meadow Chariot(Missing 8th edition unit)>U3: Forest Stag Herd(Missing 8th unit)>U4: Wild Cats(From a couple of older ed)>U5: Wood Elven Bolt Throwers(Older unit)FLC LL: Araloth replacing Orion as leader of Talsyn and Orion given a new faction literally anywhere since that is his thing.
>>557659824you wouldn't get it
>>557659824If you consider Italians human then sure.
Another DLC, another skip. Grim.
>>557659824They literally take units from most races. It is a mish mash merc race. They got ogres, halflings, araby, albion, amazons, humans, norscan units like bearmen, undead units, hobogoblins, dwarves, elves, and also apparently tigermen according to Old World tabletop lore.
>>557659824They're majority human but they'd be this grab bag of mercenaries from pretty much anyone.
>>557654605At this point they can go full OC who cares about established lore or units when you can shit out a dozen of GW terrible ideas. Fantasy is done. This is Old World now as far as I'm concerned.
>>557659824You are thinking Southern Realms which is a little different then Dogs of War which is mercs that Southern Realms house.
>>557659824I WANT ITALIAN CITY STATE MERCENARIES IN MY FUCKING WAR GAME GOD DAMN ITthis entire hobby started with nerds in the 20th century developing unhealthy obsessions with late medieval Italian history. because of all the battles. everything begins with this. if they leave the Southern Realms as an Empire clone in the final patch of this game it will be a black mark against GW and TCALUK until the end of time
>>557660321mods fix this
>>557641609>>557643524slaanesh and its daemons were always trans coded, that precisely what infuriates transactivists Slaanesh was actually called The Great Transvestite in the 80s lorethere's nothing about woke about that
>>557660321I want empire pikemen.
>>557660408the mods don't even have voice acting...
>>557660696>click on Tilean mercenary spearmen>DREADSPEARS!
Hey so, what happens if you are at war with 2 factions who are also at war with each other, and you attack an army that's besieging your one enemy's settlement?Do they team up or just fuck off
>>557660696too bad nerds decided that AI voices are verboten even for non profit mods
>>557659824Multiracial faction.
>>557660696https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2927296206 WITHhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3149445431
>>557651910>After that he said a Monkey King vs Wood Elf DLC with a monkey units for both.>a monkey unit for Wood Elves?
>>557660979>Do they team upI think so... at least if its the other way around you get to fight with the AI
>>557659824Mercs.A mix of Order and Destruction factions, aligned together for food and money.Fun.You've got Orcs, Hobgoblins, Night goblins, Ogres, Wood Elves, Southlanders, Arabians, Halflings, Empire and Marienburg soldiers, Sartosian pirates, Kislevites, Dwarf slayers...I think there's even some high and dark elves
Club of Never Give Up... One of our own made it once again.Any Drawfags, please update the image.
great start but it should be cute
>>557661937Don't forget Thanquol is confirmed in lords of the end times
>>557662046Until we see him in a trailer, he remains in the picture.
>>557653302>>557653330I'll play some h-games until Forza Horizon 6 releases in May. Might check if they polished JWE:3 since I last tried it. I should probably finish BFG:A2 and start AC6. I also have SRW:T on hiatus, so I should get back to that.
>>557661937>>557642152its already done
>>557662307Thanks.
>>557661478>a monkey unit for Wood ElvesIt literally says in game in Durthu's win objectives that Wood Elves use monkey men. Why is this shocking? Do you not play the game?
>"Another day, another lose for the Yin-Yin DLC, today was a good day once again".
Bhashiva (Legendary Lord)Sawai (Generic Lord)Clawspeaker (Generic Hero)Tiger Warriors (two variants)Tiger Warrior Stalkers (two variants)Iron Claw Tiger Warriors (three variants)This is literally what Legendoftotalwar said was in the Lords of Shang Yang leak video. He got the generic hero and legendary lord name right so far for the tigermen.
>>557639719>Alchemistfus>Ogrefus>TigrefusI respect Zhao Ming's game.
>>557662776you forgot he said a legendary hero would come with that dlc named Taoyan the Merciless. Although he didn't specify if that was a Tigerman or human.
>>557662776who?
>>557663001it was a human woman, there was an image that he posted laterit could still get implemented if the Mung stuff gets made into a character pack, or worked into monkey king or li dao shit, who knows
The new feline will serve as an excellent vassal in my nth Miao campaign.
>>557663243There is a FLC LH coming out with the DLC so it could be Taoyan.
>>557662776He also posted concept art of it....and it is identical to what CA released today.
>Legendoftotalwar has meltdown in December announcing he is quitting>Instantly afterwards CA announces Neferata character pack is cancelled and pivoted to being replaced by a Cathay pack.>Today they reveal a Tigermen LL and generic LH with the same exact names and descriptions that Legendoftotalwar gave in his Lords of Shang Yang video.They have to be fucking with him at this point right?
APOLOGIZE RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!
>>557660321You will get chinks and you will die of chink fever, so that actual chinks can take over your land and your possessions. Enjoy.
3K deserved more support, why did they abandon it
>>557664652They found out despite it being the highest selling total war in history that the Chinese market absolutely HATES dlc which is why they abandoned t.
>>557664652Abandoning it was the last sane thing they did. I'm sure the CCP fired the guy who made that decision, but he was an unsung hero.
>>557661756There are even vampires. It's literally anyone except chaos warriors.
>>557664073>Legend leak the Lords of Shang Yang DLC>CA pivot to Tides of Torments DLC>Legend leave TWW community in December>CA pivot from Neferata to Bhashiva DLC
>>557664652Because chinks cried and didn't buy the DLC that might have made China look even slightly bad. They should have been like Rome 2 chads who were happy to buy the DLCs about when Rome was imploding in a three way civil war or a backwater fielding spearmanii.
>>557664145Appologize to the wasted, and wounded? Never. Kneel to Chadtek.
>>557664652Pre orderingTiger Warriors DLC right now!https://store.steampowered.com/app/1299591/Total_War_THREE_KINGDOMS__The_Furious_Wild/
>>557663243>if the Mung stuff gets made into a character packWe can only hope that Mung is dead for good. According to L*gend the Monkey King is TWO SEPARATE Legendary Lords, along with Li Dao as FLC. So if this is true and Mung is actually still not dead, then Cathay would have 8 Legendary Lords. Grim.
>>557651910Starts at 7:02 for Lords of Shang Yang DLC description. He literally names the lord just shown off today. Uploaded back in June 2024.
>They literally call her lord of Shang Yang.
>>557665523>>557115562 Almost called it. wrong game.
>we have to have EIGHT legendary lords because people kept whining about dragon legendary lords for cathayyou guys are assholes even if mung does not make it now they are going to have a minimum of 7 lords
this is the art that legendoftotalwar posted alongside the lords of shang yang
>>557665523Here is how to save 3 Chinkdoms: instead of the nanman being jungle SEAmonkeys with blow darts and tiki torches, the southern part of the map/Foreigner DLC should have been a Roman Legion.
>>557667559Have more than three generic ching chong bing bongs. I know the Brits may think they all look the same but the Chinese don't.
>adding a character from Ind to the gameINDIA SUPER-POWER IN 2026 CONFIRMED! Who is the street pooper now ?
>>557665016Oh there is? huh, didn't know vampires were in DoW
>>557667372I wonder how Mung the Brutal is going to work since he is suppose to have 5 units which is a full DLC. If they announced him as a Ogres DLC it would enrage the Ogres fanbase who are all demanding Ghark Ironskin. If they make him Cathay DLC like originally planned though then they sink themselves into a really bad hole of how to add in Li Dao, Monkey King, and Yin-Yin before the end of the game life. I think they are going to do a Champions of Chaos style DLC for Grand Cathay to make sure he is added with the other 3.
>>557668083this is ai
>>557668083Still you.
I was waiting for the Cathay DLC to play Warhammer 3.It seems like I may be waiting a little bit longer than anticipated.
>>557668118The dragon siblings whiners are basically guaranteeing that Monkey King is going to be a hero now because they aren't going to give Cathay eight different lords. My prediction is Li Dao will get a full sized DLC with Yin-Yin as FLC and Monkey King as LH. Mung will be a final character pack for DLC. That means 4 DLCs total for Cathay. Basically the people whining about all the dragon siblings all but guaranteed Monkey King is a hero instead of a lord.
>>557668645Skulls Event before Tigers DLC.
>>557668825>The dragon siblings whiners are basically guaranteeing that Monkey King is going to be a hero now.are you sure?
>>557661937Shoulda gotten Araby years ago.
>>557639719>bhashiva is intended as a stealthy ambush lord>model is a furred bodybuilding kroxigor instead of a lithe tiger with sneaky feline gracesigh
Why does the Tigermen design bother me so much
>>557669040Skink :)
Cathay just isn't fun in the campaign.Too much chaos. Auto resolve favors them too much against your shitty garrisons.
>>557669663Because you are intimidated by their sheer mass and bulk.
After this latest reveal... It's time to admit that he won and was right all along.
>>557669072Yes, because people kept whining there were too many dragons for Cathay they created the Tigerman LL and Ogre LL in response. From Legendoftotalwar we already know both models and faction mechanics are already created and fully voiced and motion captured. This also includes their units like Mung's ogre units.So now Monkey King has no spot left because they aren't going to give Cathay 5 DLCs.>Lore of Beasts LL is Bshahiva which according to Old World is the lore that Monkey King uses. Which means oops someone already has that lore as LL for the race.>Bshahvia is already confirmed by CA to go in southwest Cathay which is exactly where Monkey King would have gone in a place that is going to be even more crowded with Li Dao.>They are going to have to do four DLCs just to fit everyone.>Li Dao has most of the lore units left tied to him plus he uses a dao spear which means he needs unique animations so he is basically guaranteed a DLC.>Yin-Yin can just reuse Yuan Bo's animation which means her FLC fodder giving her the FLC slot.>Andy Hall said the condition for adding Cathay to the game with Gamesworkshop was an ironclad contract they cannot break saying they had to have all 5 dragon siblings as playable legendary lords by the end of the game's life.>Mung is already done and sitting with a bunch of ogre units so they will release him at some point for money. Mung is suppose to be leading a Hung tribe which is the tribes north of the wall of Cathay giving hin a clear spot on the map.So basically Monkey King has no spot left for him as LL which means he is going to be a LH at best and it is all because of the people that whined about too many dragon siblings.
>>557669910But what did it cost?
>>557670059Everything.
tigermen will have the bleed effect with their melee attacks i bet
>>557670059>But what did it cost?CA now being unimpeded to do Shadows of Change over and over with nobody to rally against them, as everybody left are too deep in CA's pockets.Legend is an ungrateful autistic piece of shit person, but the series will suffer for him being gone.
People have been beclowning themselves claiming Legend was wrong ever since the Leering Devils got some entries in the data files. At that point it was 100% clear to any honest person that he had legit info.Anyone STILL arguing against it after today's news should be in an asylum. They are not well.
>>557668118Mung the Brutal will be the Cathay LL start for Dogs of War. His DoW ogre units will be added to the ogre roster.The last ogre DLC gave is ogre paymaster lords, implying paymaster lords which is a lord choice for DoW. We'll get fire dragon and Monkey LL, Yin Yin might be never ever
Challenge: Play a Bhashiva campaign with only Tigermen lords, Tigermen heroes and Tigermen units.
Still don't get why reddit megaseethes over this legend guySaw a lot of insane seetheposts as replies to people saying he was right
Bhashiva's start position will be right under Dechala's nose right? That's fucked up dude.
>>557670691I'm just not attracted to this. No female characteristics at all.
>>557670691>mammal with no breastsUnironically don't get it
>>557670523People have making fun of him and joking about him being a liar because they simply don't worship the balding e-celeb who ragequit in a pathetic meltdown like his fans do. I don't even care about the guy on a personal level and occasionally enjoyed his gameplay stuff but legendfags (the non-ironic ones) have genuinely been the most annoying posters in the general for ages.
Who should voice Bhashiva?
>>557670691>>557639719>>557642272Why her ears don't looks at all like tigers ears ?
>>557671037You should voice her.
>>557671170oh my god look at those floofy snookums.
>>557671158No I just missed all the "drama" or whatever it was because I don't care, so I don't know
>>557651910If the leak was "WW1, then they cancelled it and switched to 40k" I actually could buy that. But star wars being after that would be like in 15 fucking years judging from how long 40k will be, and I don't see them doing >40k & Medieval 3>Then 40k and star warsFeels more like a "We'll do WW1, then M2, then star wars, no wait fuck it we'll do 40k instead forget star wars".>>557670691I'm sure there'll be a mod to either introduce Ind shit (I always liked the idea of chaos dwarf style beastmen where the humans are the chaff, and the beastmen are the elite), or just to add more tigers. Maybe just make a cat faction. Leopards and cheetahs and tigers and lions and bears oh my
>>557671170All the fucking stuff they desexualize and ruin but they still give her anime cat girl ears, kek.
>>557671170CA reused the kislev snow leopard head model, althought that head looks more like a lynx than a real snow leopard.
>>557671170they're khajiit
>>557671170Why is she a mammal with no breastsTigers have breasts even
>>557671486I have a suspicion that this is because she is entirely made out of reused model assets.
OH MY GOOOOD HE WAS RIGHT ON EVERYTHING FUUUUCK!
>>557671264kek could you imagine the outrage>[1.1k upvotes] Petition to have CA redo Bhashiva's voice>[Top Comment] [Reddit Gold] Why does she sound like a balded millennial with a lactose tolerance problem?
>>557671486>>557671538CA and GW are just very big fans of Guild Wars.
>>557671331>Bears>Not in kislev*angry Boris noises*
>>557639719So they are just straight up taking cheats and adding them as DLC
>>557671170CA forums already called out CA for being lazy. They find out the reused her head from Kislev.
Big cats scare me.
>>557672020Keep up the pressure, make CA remake her into a lithe and graceful feminine tiger woman.
Since the Jade Vampires are well known to be very loyal to Cathay you know they are going to put the Jade Vampire LL as a Cathay lord now right?
>>557658610That would make buy it, so they won't
>>557670647Mung being put in Dogs of War makes sense for the best damage control possible. They would need to add Lorenzo as a 4th lord to avoid backlash though since he is part of the big LLs for Dogs of War.
Since we just found out for real that CA literally pivoted from Lords of Shang Yang DLC after he said that the Tigermen/Ogre Cathay DLC was basically complely finished it makes a lot of sense why we only got 2 dlcs in 2 years now. Need to figure out how Mung is going to fit into the game now since him and his 5 units are done.
>>557673315it is actually funny that ca destroyed their reputation just out of spite to legendoftotalwar
>>557673315There is stilll no way to make sense of why we only got 2 DLCs in 2 years.
>>557673232well excuse me for being financially literate. In fact, CA owes me money for playing their game.
>>557673863Development on Hyenas fucked everything upDevelopment on Total War 40k fucked everything up
Why would you want to see Bhashiva's tities ?
>>557670916>>557671486she has crotch teats like a real tiger
>>557673315 As an ogres player I could really use those units like the ranged cavalry units. I just want the units and add them to Ghark Ironskin and we can call it good.
I spent way too long doing this
>>557667372imdb added Taoyan's voice actress today....guess she is the ant-infantry flc lhhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt18816210/guess legend really was right about everything
>>557639719FEMALE TIGERS WHEN?
Legend was right (again).
>>557674480there was never any doubt, kind sirs
>>557639719This is how I Juren.
>>557674359Too much work, also wasting a slot on a Handmaiden and having a Punitive lord
>Mung the Brutal>Li Dao>Yin-Yin>Monkey KingHow do you add these remaining legendary lords to the games realistically? Cathay has gotten 2 DLCs. Are they going to get 3 more? That doesn't sound realistic. I think they could get one more full sized DLC with a FLC and MAYBE a second character pack but that still lives out someone. We know Mung is done with voice and animations and faction mechanics so it won't be him.
Where is Monke DLC ? Is it safe ? Is it alright ?
>>557675415I would say his odds of being a LL just plummeted hard because his lore of magic just got taken by a tigermen legendary lord. Not only that but she is literally taking his spot on the campaign map too. He is still in the running as LH though.
>>557675515more people need to talk about this because he is odds just basically went to zero
start doing THIS
sooo.... trailer tomorrow?
>>557675859uh no. they said it got delayed to late spring. they said they were going to reveal the remaining content and lh flc at later dates. you might get a skulls event trailer in march though
stop doing THIS
We're still getting monkey king and bimbo dragon
>>557674983yeah not even close. I just got interested by how many techs and lord skills and then got carried away stacking every single possible buff on them.that's an 18 hero + 1 Lothern Sea Guard stack btw and you can't see it in the image but spell resistance and missile resistance are both at 90%. but it's probably better to use 1 Crushing Noble, 1 Honed Handmaiden, and 1 Resistant Mage with 16 Lotherns. although it did occur to me that an even split of Frugal Nobles and Lothern Sea Guards would result in an optimal number of arrows fired in a siege situation.I also couldn't decide on what the best banner would be, although Razor Standard seems pretty good. And I probably missed a few possible sources of buffs, too
>>557676040>>557675515>monkethe same leak that had Bashiva had Monkey King (and Li Dao and Mung) so if anything his odds have gone up>The Incompetent Slut of Shanghainothing about this reveal suggests that she is going to be in the game
>>557675415What role does he fill as a legendary lord for Cathay?>Spellcaster according to Old World.>Not very good at melee according to old world instead focusing on trickster magic.>Yuan Bo already fits the spellcaster lord for Cathay.>Main lore of magic is lore of beasts which Bshaviva has.>Li Dao is said to be the strongest warrior whoever lived in Cathay so he will take the melee LL role and a different lore of magic.>Yin-Yin is going to take a naval role for LL and a different lore of magic.>Mung gets the calvary boosting role.So what possible role can fit for Grand Cathay as LL? I mean he would fit perfectly as the spellcaster LH since that slot is available. I am serious there is no role left for him. Where does he even go on the map now that the Tigermen lord is taking his spot in southwest Cathay?
>>557676020>Another futile attempt by the cold blooded frogs to disrupt the harmony of great Cathay
>>557676473He'll be Oxyotl but better and cooler, there's your freaking answer.
>>557676814Monkey King has literally nothing to do with stealth. If anyone got a stealth role it would be Yin-Yin. Unless you are talking about the teleport mechanic which makes no sense for him since he never leaves Cathay.
>>557676912The lore AKA the bore is not my north star. Monkey should be monkey, ok?
>>557639719Sexual dimorphism exists in tigersSexual dimorphism exists in humansWhy doesn't sexual dimorphism exist in tiger-humans?Bhashiva didn't have to be a bimbo but she should have been notably smaller and less muscular than the male tiger warriors
>>557677136We already know his main lore of magic is lore of beasts from his weapon which is a wand being in old world.
Give Total War Lordran.
>>557677234Stop this right FUCKING now. This is the rhetoric which led to the creation of Sexy Legendary Ladies mod for Total War: Three Kingdoms which DIRECTLY led to Grace quitting.
>>557677527Oh no?!
>>557677527who
>Console RTS
>>557676814um bhashiva is the stealth lord my guy...literally from cayuan bo: spellcasterbhashiva: stealthyin-yin: navalmung: cavalryli dao: melee unitszhao: beasts and alchemymiao: missile unitsso what role does monkey king add as a legendary lord? bhashiva kinda makes him redundant like the other guy pointed out, every legendary lord has a unique rule so what is his?
>>557653670The Wrath of Xen Yang entry do not mention of Li Dao.Jade Blade of the Great Fleet entry does not mention Yin-Yin .Monkey King's Wisdom requires 2 hands and have magical attack but do not enhance magical power.
>>557677234Based time traveler anon already able to compare Bhashiva size next to regular Tigermen units in game (using the mod resizing LL and LH ofc).
>>557678151He has monkeys and can teleport, how is this so hard to understand? He's a monkey. He's journeying to the west. He gets funny monkey units and funny monkey heroes and funny monkey animations. Is this thing on? Is the translation filter not working? Monkey.
>>557678726Based blind anon who can't already tell they're the same size and have the same musculature
You guys are still circlejerking over a tiger, huh?
>>557675515>>557676473>>557677245What is your source for Monkey King being a wizard ?
>>557678970>First news in months>Hurr durr circlejerkGo back to /v/
>>557679015gut instinct and ancestral memory
>>557679034Well anon, your news are horrendously boring. Unless they make another dragon sibling you should go back to v.Nobody cares for random low tier animal units.
>>557678151>every legendary lord has a unique rule so what is hisAppeal to Monke Souls players
>>557679279If you don't care about Total War news why are you in the Total War general?
so does this mean we'll get tiger giantstiger dragonstiger cavalry etc.
Tiger Dragon Ogre Shaggoths
>>557678151Monstorus Infnatry
Tiger Steam Tanks
>>557679681Tiger Toad Dragon Ogre Shaggoths (mark of Nurgle)
tigerman (lion)
>>557679397To play total war warhammer. News are interesting fir exactly one second. >oh okay tigerThat's it. What ya want me to do, fag around about how with my lore knowledge I could totally figure out the start position of this absolute noname and by reading random articles I determined they expand the map?
>>557680260
Are we really going to get 8 legendary lords for Cathaty? 5 are done. The 3 in game, Mung, and Bhashiva are done too.
>legend was actually right about lord of shang-yangchrist that's a while to wait to be vindicatedif he didn't put out the schizo "pivoted" video people would probably be putting his name next to nostradamus
With my superior intellect I have concluded that we are getting a tiger which has a tiger ability that lets it tiger better in the forested areas. This way your highly expensive archers, artillery and terracottas can truly hate themselves as they get cucked by trees.
>ITT
>>557678151>yin-yin: navaloh shit naval battles confirmed!!
>>557681570Stop it.
>>557681570Knock it off.
>>557681570That's enough of that.
Every single FLC lord for Warhammer 3 has been a Chaos character.
>tfw taking a break to eat and read ogre lorealso, are bruisers DLC and that's why I can't seem to recruit one beyond the one I got from a confederation?
>>557684976Yeah they're from omens of destruction
>>557683164Neferata is not a chaos character.
>>557683164Based I'm tired of ordersissy shit
>>557683164Maybe because they are all for the base game factions and the base game factions are all Chaos? Hello?>But KislevKislev had Boris which is basically an FLC Lord>But Cathayyes give Cathay more Lords, nevermind the backlash every time they get anything
>>557686048Be quiet Chaosfag.
>>557686048What backlash? They got yuan bo and saytang. Nobody dislikes em, they are great. Only thing I ever saw was muri poltards screeching hurr china baaad
I think that Lothern Sea Guard can potentially get 210 range.
>>557687029I think dragon guard can potentially get 260 range
>>557687335The Cathayan guys? That sounds rather impressive.
>>557686873>Nobody dislikes em>muri poltards screeching hurr china baaadSo people dislike them.Plebbit also hates China as much as /pol/, they just disguise it and justify it so it's not apparent.
>>557671939The mod was only made after Legend's "leak." They're just stealing ideas from Legend.
>>557651910I'm so sorry for ever doubting youlegendofbald...
>>557652269We already have Star Wars: Empire at War Galactic Conquest mode. Why would you want it at home? Do you hate Star Wars space battles?
>>557671331The leak literally was>They were working on WW1>They abandoned it>They flipped to 40kStar Wars being licensed by CA was huge news and was on all the """"gaming media"""" websites as well. Legend's sources said 40k is going to be the prototype for Star Wars, so Star Wars will be the Shogun 2 to 40k's Empire/Rome 2. 40k will end up being the shitty, buggy mess that shows CA what's broken in their upgraded engine.
>>557658170No wonder they nerfed Flock of Doom. That much free damage on that many heroes and lords would've broken the game balance.
So... If Lords of Shang Yang had launched, would you have bought it at $40?
>>557689028What fucking god damn point even is there to making a Star Wars total war?It will only ever have two factions, said factions don't even have a fucking tenth of the variety of a single race in Warhammer, and Star Wars as an IP has been shot in the back of the head and had its rotting corpse dragged through liquid diarrhea before having strings attached to its corpse to be puppeted for whoever is left that still wants to watch that putrid shit.
>>557670770Because Legend criticized Total War and CA. Multiple times, across multiple games, in every conceivable scenario.Release a buggy Total War game? Legend bitches.Make a stupidly boring campaign? Legend bitches.Wreck siege battles? Legend bitches.He used his platform to push and push and push for CA to make changes and then never got any. He hurt Total War more than any other streamer because he had the biggest audience and he just couldn't fucking keep his mouth shut about the problems with the games. If he had shut up and shilled it like everyone else, the series would have been big enough we wouldn't be fearing "The Future of Total War 3K" being repeated with WH3 all of last year.
>>557658170Thats not a logical conclusion. Norsca has fimir and shamans using the same schools of magic
>>557687646I wouldn't call them "people" but are simply projecting their nonsense onto vidya for no reason. Magic flying dragons have nothing to do with the ccp.I was more saying nobody with a brain complains about a cathay dlc like how people complained about skaven dlcs cause they were in every single one.
>>557689493No one knows. Entirely possible that CA pursued the SW license to make another sort of game and then decided to just fall back on using it for TW despite how little sense that makes in the long run.
>>557651910>40K is obvious>Med 2 is obvious>Wrong>CA took pity on him and made it after the fact (you really think they'd take 2 years for a single LL DLC?)>Mung never ever>Dogs of War never ever>End Times is obvious>Monkey Kangz never ever
>>557670770You know he hates you right?Someone post the sperg-out after "we have your back"
>>557689493Because >Licensed IP = HUGE MONIESAs Warhammer Fantasy showed. And CA probably doesn't care much if the license is cheap. They must think that the huge Star Wars IP has enough of a hold, or they have enough freedom from that stupid Lucasfilm Story Group that they can make a successful product. I would imagine they will go with 3K type time periods for this game. Base Game is the Galactic Civil War, then DLC for Clone Wars, then DLC for Old Republic, then DLC for Sequels. There would be 2 basic factions for armies and general mechanics, but then there'd be different sub-factions in the same way 3K is basically a civil war game where you only have Han Chinese, Yellow Turbans, and Nanman if you have the DLC.
>>557672020It's clearly not reused, just look at the snout
>>557651910in some of the medieval 3 bull shots you can see tank treads in the mud and their demonstration of destroying buildings was on an early 20th century house
>>557672020I'm not seeing it, the only obvious thing they reused are the whisker things. Maybe they recoloured the textures but that's a nothingburger.
>>557689493star wars total war unironically makes more sense than most factions since even calling it ww2 in space is generousbesides, i think most of the executive world is still trying to bury their heads in the sand over how star wars has been ruined as an IP inside of a decade
I feel like chaos dwarf AI recruits too much artillery.
>>557690702It's the only way to get them to move out of their cities.
>>557687420I remember getting to huge range with Wood Elves back in the day, and found it was more a burden than boon, as the arrows spent more time in flight and were less likely to find their mark if the enemy unit was moving at all. That said, it was was really cool watching them go so far.
Insider scoop here. Studio Horsham of The Creative Assembly hosted a guest lecture by former Lego CEO Jorgen Vig Knudstorp. He put it in plain terms; you can't change your foundation and what you do well, but you can license yourself out like crazy for collaborations and marketing. Here's an excerpt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ezeMtxG1fE
I don't understand why people like WoC recruitment. Usually around turn 80 I start mass producing highest tier armies. Whenever the money allows it, new lord, highest tier infantry, artillery, monsters, lord gets birthed at lvl 10, 2 heroes, done.Now I can send my army to the front and it can fight 90% of other armies. Usually only when it's a LL or super high level generic do I bring in the main force.With WoC on those turns.. well let's see, we got some trolls, half the army is marauders, some horse marauders, maybe one chaos knight and 2 chaos warriors. Heroes aren't aligned yet so they are fucking useless for eternity. If we are extra lucky one aspiring champion and a random assortment of low tier gifted units. Maybe a couple nurgle frogs and a bloodletter.So I look around and see what this army can fight.On one side a stack of shades, instant loss.Other side 10 fucking dragons and tons of pheonix guards.Marching towards us, ironbreaker stack.Hm..But what if I let this new army follow my LL for level ups? Nvm, archaon moves 5 times as far and it would still take 40turns cause reinforcing armies get less exp.Kinda asinine.
>>557677331>Not Total War: DrangleicNGMI
>tigermen just added to cathay instead of getting an ind rosterthis is exactly what i didnt want them to do
Now that legend is vindicated, what is next for the future of total war?
>>557694542Everything is part of Greater Cathay when you think about it.
>>557692570It is a fun concept but suffers from the same issue as launch Nurgle did and what you outlined. Something could probably be done around reworking the Dark Citadel stuff to create some level of permanent requirement options that get better with building tiers. Or make the recruitment pool a Global one so that more and better accumulates in there at scale and also creates further incentive to hold more territory.
He returned to comment lol
>>557681213They will have tiger uppercut
>>557695723JESUS CHRIST IN HEAVEN IT'S LEGEND
>>557695723>I see a lot of people on Youtube saying things like Legend was right. I appreciate it but it doesn't matter. I did not burst out into Skaven laughter when I saw the announcement. I honestly just didn't feel anything. No excitement or vindication. Just "ah so that actually happened"Riiiiight you were checking the comments because you didn't care riiiight
If you engage with this retardation you shouldn't be allowed to manage your own money
>POV Attila is dead and you're a Hunnic general getting run down by Roman cavalry
>>557665995You see. It's internal joke on legend.
>>557695723bald
>>557695723We have your back Legend :^)
my life was better when this was 90% of the time I was on 4chan. I hate vtubers and vtuber simps so much. Fuck whoever shilled L*mi here.
>>557698914you should go to her stream and throw garbage at her
>>557670691Challenge? I thought that was everyone’s plan, of course I might also install the tiger men of Cathay mod for this
>>557689493Why do people think a total war Star Wars would only have two factions?
>>557699849Because at any given time during the movies only two factions are actually relevant on a galactic scale and everything else is some extended universe retardation that is only barely less retarded, on the whole, than actual disney lore.Yeah, sure, the hutts and mandaloriggers and other cults and shit technically exist at the same time as other stuff but in reality its only droids and clones or empire and rebels who matter
>>557700034Previous Lucasarts games have managed to have multiple factions, even empire at war did it with technically four in a campaign.If the game isn’t going to have space combat why the fuck wouldn’t you include factions like Mandos? Last time we had a Star Wars game like that they even had gungans as a fully playable faction, If you really wanna milk shit dry even in a clone wars scenario you can have the Jedi and republic be two rosters that split from the same base, I just think you guys lack creativity
>>557699849Because everything about it is always the one big faction that already rules and owns the entire map vs a rebellion trying to break free from or overthrow said faction.There are literally no other factions at play on an actual warfare scale, anything else you can produce are at best cults and organized crime, not armies and governments.
>>557695723Who is this guy? Is he some kind of legend?
>>557700232or nobody cares to see how a bunch of retarded frog people should get mechanics that make them stronger than the actual galactic powersi can easily think of how it can work but i don't give a singular fuck to think that it should work that way
>>557700286You’re talking about the galactic civil war, but we already had Star Wars games that featured multiple factions during that conflict, the hutts and black sun are right there nevermind whatever bullshit they make up(again) like the Zhan
>>557700410>im okay with a literal ragtag rebel alliance doing it but the pirate factions are too far
>>557700413Again, you produce organized crime not interested in ruling and forming a government or actual armies and think that's a satisfactory asspull to make a faction out of.
>>557700498The hutts literally have a government, actual armies and an actual fleet.Why the fuck do you think they actually control space?Black Sun took their chances fucking with the empire just like the rebels did, you’re acting like there aren’t factions in total war warhammer that arent actual threats in lore
>>557699849It can have more than two just like total war lotr can have more than two, but it would take creativity or else you'll just have lasermanii in space.
>>557700678That I can understand and I doubt they’d be that creative, I just think it’s pretty silly to think the game couldn’t launch with 4 factions on release which seems to be their standard anyways, and those 4 could easily have subfactions within them
>>557700896They can even treat the CIS like they did the yellow turbans in three kingdoms, remnants in the GCW because they existed for a while while the actual faction is in a separate scenario
>tigermen>1 LL>1 generic lord>1 hero (wizard)>3 unitsDoes anyone remember like 3 or 4 years ago someone claimed to be a member of the 'team' that was leaking all the rpoblems they were having after 2018 and one of the things they had 'planned to do' were 'mini factions' like Kraka drak, amazons, araby but GW was like nuuuuuuuuu and CA scrapped the idea due to laziness? This confirms micro factions were actually a thing.GIVE ME MY NORSE DWARFS CA PUT THOSE FUCKERS ON MAMMOTHS WITH CANNONS
>ArabySuleiman le Saracen LL, part of Bretonnia, has Arabyan knights and elephants>AmazonsLiterally anakonda, part of lizardmen, has the 3 units they have in canon>Norse DwarfsSame thing but with Dwarfs and has the 3 units they have in canonIt would be so easy.
>>557701190This isn't really a surprise anon. CA talked about the idea of single LL DLCs back during TWW2 from memory. And it was always known since TWW1 that GW were the core problem of getting anything developed for the game since they have final sign off and are all round useless bell ends that would rather tank potential cross marketing opportunities than actually use them effectively. But that is also why Vamp Coast was such a surprise even if Norsca was arguably the first thing to really buck the 'it needs to be a real tabletop faction' idea. GW doesn't like the idea of competition, and ultimately they don't want to sign off on anything that they can't control or utilise down the line for tabletop stuff. CA could relatively easily make any of these sub/minor/major factions, but GW would never agree to it. It is also why we can't have things like a generic Troll or other monster Lord for Norsca because no model exists and they never want to make one, so no one else can have them either. Besides being assholes in general it is also part of the knock on effect from GW getting bodied in the Chapterhouse lawsuit which continues to haunt them to this day that a 3rd party might make $1 on something that they don't make an official model of.
>>557700493the ragtag rebel alliance had enough support to put together a small fleet by the time of death star 2, they had the support of entire planetary regimes behind themOnly the hutt cartel is close in size and anybody who cares about the voreslug and his jobber bounty hunters is a fag
>>557689663>JUST COSUMMMMMMMMMMMM DONT COMPLAIN CHUDDDYYI think you got lost buddy, reddit is the other way
>>557702854The post reads like a cryptobro complaining about fud
>>557639719What could have been...
Development really is ending after LotET, right?>But CA saidLolLMAO
>>557704234Seems like it could very possibly be the last real major DLC for the game. Unless they make a morbillion dollars and decide to push for Dogs of War which would be defacto Southern Realms and general mercenary overhaul/mechanic. Otherwise I could see them just doing these single LL packs until either the license expires or they run out of ideas.
>>557703784Cope and seethe furfag.
>>557704487them pivoting from a Neferata pack into Neferata LLFLC and a lord pack of content which, based on leaks, is old content they scrapped really does not fill me with confidence.
>>557704689To play double's advocate I think moving Neferata into the big Nagash DLC is the right move and makes more sense to do all the vamp/undead stuff at the same time. Though we did get to this point from CA's horrible mismanagement of money and resources so all this shit could have already been done and they could have pumped out a ton of single LL packs by now if they were not retarded.
>>557704872The way I see it, moving Neferata alongside it makes thematic sense, but her being changed into FLC also means that whatever units she would have come with are either scrapped, or also conveniently moved into the LotET pack.
>>557705118The outcome in terms of units we are/were going to get in the long run is probably the same. Ultimately they were just going to do an update for the Vamp/Undead factions coinciding with some LL DLCs. Invariably someone was ending up a the FLC. Makes more sense to put her there than big daddy Nagash given he is the real headliner. Fuck knows what their original plans or intentions might have been, but I think the way it is working out now is the better outcome overall.
>>557703784She didn't need to be that but she should have been visibly different to the malesSomething vaguely reminiscent of tigress from kung fu panda would have worked
Haven't there been games which had updates which removed content to reduce install bloat? I remember that happening. And I think it's time we discuss the same for Warhammer 3. I think it's time we remove Alberic permanently and recover several megabytes of install space.
>>557659824Prototype/backported features from 40k for a taste of a faction creation
>>557639719>wake up>furries won
>furry Cathay DLCI literally could not care less.
>>557674113Not even an antro autist but somebody needs to put tits on this tiger ASAP
>Chinese factions cannot even be sexy any moreThis is punishment for simping for TCA, wumaos.
>>557643368rodents are the ancestor of all mammalian evolution
>>557641071*Ahem*THE EMPEROR'S KEKSTHE KEK WARRIORSTHE NIGHT KEKSTHE KEK EATERSTHE DEATH KEKSTHE THOUSAND KEKSTHE KEKS OF HORUSTHE KEK BEARERSTHE KEK LEGION
day 1 of posting a rat until we get andy thanquol
>>557709463So, canonically, did Skarsnik AND Gobla do a naked dogeza after you paid him all that money or just Skarsnik?
>>557695723good for him (so long as he doesn't go homeless)
We need more girls in warhammer.
>>557711992Paid gobbla to eat skarsnik and he did it he mad lad
>>557712278so long as you mean models and not players
Total War is about family.
>>557695723wow, so Legend can pointlessly and longwindedly ramble and whine in two media, not just one! He should've reposted the comment 19 times for artistic effect.
>>557712628You treat your neighbors in this game like you treat women, you beat them senseless
Does anyone else giggle, clap & jump in their seat when the fikre wizard says SEETHING FIRE? It's like they're a virtual incel! On fire!
>>557620126Witnessing the development process of Hyenas as a Total War fan in 2022 and 2023 instilled me with a sense of dread very similar in nature, if not in magnitude, to that felt when a friend or loved one receives a cancer diagnosis, debilitating brain injury, etc. What an awful sensation, to palpably feel something you care about, even just a game, being pulled onto a doomed timeline for no good reason.
>>557712619I want to ask some girls to come over to see my Tyranid collection.
>>557713116good luck anon and I hope you like girls with penises
>>557713067Now they are stuck toiling away in warhammer mine for the prosperity of gameworkshop.
>>557713067They went up to, what, 800 employees at one point and prior to the announcement everyone was wondering what the fuck CA could be working on with that much excess staff
On one hand, given the recent datamined shit and previous hints it looks like Dogs of War really is still on the table. Hopefully it'll come out soonish after LotET.On the other hand, given these leaks it's clear that Mung the Brutal was actually an unironic thing that I really, really hope never sees the light of day. A Ghorst-tier who, except without any previous lore whatsoever, who looks madly generic, and would somehow be allowed to take up a slot from Ghark, it's all unbelievably stupid.>>557709573Sort of, but not quite. The common ancestor of all Boreoeutheria (so, all mammals with scrotes) is believed to be some shrew-looking motherfucker. That and it's always important to remember that outside monkeys, lemurs, and other shit our closest living relative is fucking rabbits of all things.>>557704487Opportunity cost is definitely a thing, but consider these points:>According to past Legend info, which now appears quite vindicated, DLC packs made by the WH2 easily sold enough to justify development costs.>DLC is now mostly done by the Sophia team, which is even cheaper to pay than their UK employees>According to Sotek & GBoG both ToD & OoD sold at least a million each within their first few weeks>TCALUK is doing everything to push WH3 as a sort of live service game which you only need some part to have active as new content trickles in to buyAnd lastly, yet rather importantly,>When WH40k comes out it won't necessarily be a good idea to just throw more devs at making new content for it, especially when it's going to be on a different engine version than what Sophia may even be trained onLong story short, if people keep buying DLC even after 40k comes out they'll probably just keep Sophia on it for years afterwards. This doesn't also mean they may get faster at it unfortunately.He's a bit of a schizo but if you've seen ZestyJesus's video on TF2's revenue you can get a similar idea of how much passive income TCALUK gets from WH3 just existing.
>>557639719People are already using AI to make her taller, more slender and feminine and catlike. I can't wait for proper reskin mods that fix that fucking awful head. White Tiger warrior queen shouldn't look like a druggie lynx with a hunchback
>>557715235Bots have shit taste and turn everything into slop
>>557715613can't be worse than someone intentionally making her look like a khajit from skyrim high on crack with fucking old man hairs coming out from the ears
>>557715235/tg/ added boobs and called it good enough lol
>>557715951this is just a WoW character
>>557715692Skyrim khajiit had very feminine form.
>>557715235>not fully feminine>Amazonian but with zero feminine features >full masculine but supposed to be a female tigressThe more I think about it the less I like itBest not to overthink, or just pick your favourite redesign mod I guess
>>557641071blueboard mister
>>557716547How hard would it be to make her a cat women version of the Amazonians from Troy? Fucking copy elder scrolls for cool looking cat people. but NOOOO we get a meth head lynx. Youd think with all the teal on her clothes and the jewel on her forehead they'd make her eyes the same colour so we have a reason to have such a modern artificial colour.Her design is fucking dogshitGod I hope they nail the Monkey king and Glottkin
why is legend such a pussy?>omg guys don't fight please pleasedude its the internet, is this guy for real?
>>557639719>matched combat kung fu panda style tiger vs monkey kangDo it CA
>>557643989He's the halfling rep. Originally there was a hobgoblin looking through the window. Since they made it in with the chorfs he got replaced by Merry.>>557701190Pretty sure Kraka Drak is off the table since the slayer engineer lives there now.
>>557716321yeah meant to say oblivion but im retarded
>>557716052i do agree the propagation should be different
>bro-est of dragons>loves humans>friends with ogres>master of trade>his mum loves him most of all>probably smokes warpstone with skaven>now also friends with tigersIs there anything he can't do?
>>557715235>The only way to tell male and female tigers apart>check for nuts>check front paw size>check for longer tail>size differenceFurries on suicide watch
>>557717475What is that neck? Looks like an elephant seal neck.I mean I'd be happy with they looked as savage as the beastmen from Elden Ring but no we get something lame instead.
>2026>/twg/ is debating whether the tiger beastwoman is feminine enough or notWe really came a long way since the days of arguing over sandals on Romans.
>>557717630the artist traced a photo of a tiger and made its shoulders and part of its back into a neck for the character
>>557717843>Remembering the Great /twg/ Civil War over how Greek hoplites used their spears in battle formationsAnd obviously it was underhand, cope & rope overhand niggers.
Lads, don't worry about the tiger.She's part of the Cathayan faction.Chink modders will make beautified versions of her like within a week after release. All the fanart will also pretty her up.Also western warhammer furries will just draw her with massive tits.
>>557718113>Uhh actually I have much better reach underhanded which allows me to hit your toes
>>557639719>>557715951They arr rook the same.
>>557717513Honestly I'm kind of surprised at how much more characterization Zhao Ming has gotten compared to his siblings. Miao Ying is pretty much just "muh wall" and a slight appreciation for the Empire (which Zhao ALSO has through Gelt), and Yuan Bo is just the bureaucrat spy.I dunno, Yin-Yin might be able to compare once they finally get around to revealing anything about her, since she seems to be such a whackjob adventurer, but Li Dao is kinda shaping up to be just Miao Ying 2.0: Fists of Fury edition.
>>557718395they actually held the very end of the spear and just overhead swung it for maximum range
>>557716890he's autistic and totally fixated with his relationship to CA and how he comes off in their eyes
>>557713067Hyenas was an incredible concept for a game and there was no reason to assume it wouldn't succeed. They just got unlucky.
Not interested in this DLC, any others coming?
>>557718395>>557718113You're both wrong.They threw their spears at the enemy. This is why the Macedonian phalanx was so successful. A thrown sarissa could impale 2-3 guys at least.
>>557718584end times
>>557718395>>557718551>>557718656Takes me back...Big Light Age...Now it's just furrymanii...Little Dark Age...
>>557718798Nagash will be weak, I'd rather witness a true Mannfred campaign!
>>557718798Hmm cool, not massively in love with playing an OP lich but maybe it'll work.
>>557719214they promise that corruption will have permanent effects on the campaign map in this exp so defending the green grass of home as Order will probably be fun
>pick nagash>cast your unique spirit leech type spell on the enemy lord at the start of battle>he dies after three secondsThis is the level of gameplay you have to look forward to...
India rockedChina shockedInd is coming
>>557718579
>>557719646the smell tho
>>557719394Isn't that already how ostankya plays?
It's really fucking grim at CA at the moment>Neferata DLC was too much work so its units are rolled into Lords of the End Times, replacing other planned additions while Neferata takes the FLC spot from another planned FLCLL>Lords of Shangyang content that was scrapped repurposed into a lord pack>No real plans for post-Lords of End Times content besides recycling the rest of the Lords of Shangyang
THE PIVOTTHE PIVOT WAS REAL
>>557720540>>No real plans for post-Lords of End Times content besides recycling the rest of the Lords of Shangyang dogs of war
>>557720540I was 90% sure dogs of war were gonna be flc for end times.
>>557718579>there was no reason to assume it wouldn't succeed.market saturation
>>557721132It's like steam vs other storefronts. Or mmos. It's really hard to get people to even try alternatives. Ironically highguard managed it because so many streamers were making clickbait hate videos of it, but then the game turned out to be actually bad.
Is this.... Is this how the histfags felt when warhammer took over their game? Now Wuxia-WoW is taking over mine... I... I am sorry histfriends. I never knew..
>>557721372>Wuxia-WoWI wouldn't hate it if the damn tiger was just sexy.
>>557718579Did you blow in from /dg/?
>>557721428the male tigers are sexyat least until you imagine them with an indian accentimmediate ick
>>557718579>Hyenas was an incredible concept for a game and there was no reason to assume it wouldn't succeed. They just got unlucky.
>>557650051most beautiful woman in the whole warhammer world.
>>557642646correct.
>>557717843>2026>implying the Romans wouldn't also debate amongst themselves over how feminine luperca and fauna/fatua were
Every day we draw closer to Hyenas 2.
>>557718579>there was no reason to assume it wouldn't succeed. They just got unlucky.lmao no the game was just bad. I played the open beta that got 0 traction and it was dull as fuck.
>>557723554I remember the beta was leaked on youtube and it didn't even get noticed.
>>557722914>invasive alien species So everything you said was a lie, I guess?
>>557724069she is not though.
>>557724115>Alien>Enslaves or exterminates the world's natives???
>>557724290The cathayan delights in his natural state of servitude.
>>557724290she is not an alien though, lorelet.
thoughts?https://files.catbox.moe/cb5o89.mp4
>>557724496Performative outrage over nothing
>>557650051objectively so
>>557695723>I checked comments despite not caring about Total War at all anymore, and when I saw that people said that I was right I totally didn't caretop kek. Retard should just shut the fuck up and try to keep his narcissism at least somewhat down while raising his kids.
>>557713617Weren't they biggest game company in UK by staff at that point. Bigger then Rockstar North.
I can understand why reddit seethes over baldoftotalbald but I don't really understand why /twg/ does
>>557724496I don't remember this happening. Is this AI?
>>557724943I really don't get why anyone is malding so hard. Dude got some legit information. And he walked away. End of story. Yet visceral hate he receives is stronger then murderers get. Is everyone in internet mentally ill?
>>557724350Like half of cathay is in open revolt at the start of the game.
>>557725265>Is everyone in internet mentally ill?yeseveryone is mentally ill
>>557724943He's one of those people absolutely no one but his own audience likes. Like Ben Shapiro or H3H3. He's just fundamentally unlikable.
>>557725265>Dude got some legit informationUmm... No?He just got lucky and guessed the tiger right. Big deal. Lords of Shang Yang was made up.
>>557725576People don't care about those people. People actively hate someone who has been gone for month now. When you dont like someone. You just ignore them. But this is pure hate. And from outside. It looks psychotic.
>>557718579Hyenas doesn't have any memorable character.
>>557726206Guaranteed you're a sunk cost fallacy Pole who's superchatted him absurd amounts of German money over the years, I can smell it on you.
>>557689812He predicted the tigermenes over a year and half ago, the name of the LL included: anyone still deny his leak was real is simply defending the anti-Legend agenda
what would happen if eldar met elves?
>>557726441I don't know which Discord cabal made you this way but it's not healthy behaviourt. lurker
>>557695723Hes gonna return with a political commentary channel. Screencap if you want.
>>557726739They would probably kill themselves out of shame. Fantasy Elves are everything Eldar wants to be.
>>557725576He has some annoying personality traits that even I as a new comer noticed, but he has no audience anymore.. This whole thing is a win - win situation for you and him (for now)
>>557727095Eldar are the elves are secretly lewd meme before it was a meme.
>>557727095Also thinking about it I noticed how weirder lookin eldar are compared to fantasy elves. Is that just for Total Warhams? I guess it depends on the artist anyway.
>>557700493>>557701986An ideal campaign wouldn't be by the battle of Endor, that's retarded and limiting, the best start point would be the darktimes because it gives leeway in both having different playable Rebel cells that don't agree with each other as possible third party elements like the CIS Remnants and major pirate factions, hell even Maul could get asspulled a pirate subfaction
>>557727063Please no...subhumans will repost his dogshit takes here and we will be in a permanent state of /pol/
Idk why LOTW was even popular, he has the same "cheese everything to the max" gameplay style and he just seems sour most of the time and clearly dislikes his own chat.His takes on CA or politics/life are nothing novel just recycled normie slopulism
>>557728709You have to understand what a wasteland total war streaming is>volound complaining>mp circlejerk with streamers who can't win other games, Or in one case with milk and cookies can't even play single player for shit.>vtubersThis is it. This is the entire total war community.
>>557728709>cheese everything to the maxBecause this was needed on wh2. AI melee cheats and supply lines forced people to copy what Legend did on his streams. In wh3 these things are better and you dont need to spam archers and corner camp and deplete ammo of AI to win.
>>557729104I miss wh2 AI just because it was harder. warhammer 3 is far too easy so I never got the chaos update of my dreams. Until end times, anyway.
>>557725576Idk, he was fine up until recently where he pretty much just nked his image with melties and sperging.
>>557729207yeah its sad how easy they made it, and now they make it even worse with every update
>>557728709>load up legendary campaign in tww2 (clueless)>wtf is this even possible?>youtube search karl franz legendary campaign warhammer 2>find video from guy who blitzes the campaigns in low turncount mode>stick around because he doles out advice / network effect i assume this is how most of his audience developed. his channel's popularity was thanks to 1) that spike in popularity that wh2 experienced in 2019/2020 thanks to the mandy video and a few other factors and 2) a really long tail of 12 years of daily uploads(i first watched one of his vids in 2018 because i looked up "rtw numidia campaign" for some reason but wasn't a huge fan or any thing)>>557729062you forgot >really heavy croatian accent guywho streams with minimal cheese and gets good campaign results. but I think he's less popular because >really heavy croatian accent
>>557729409>>really heavy croatian accent guywho?
>>557729207If you mean battle AI, fuck no there is nothing to miss about wh2 AI. You frontline, doesnt matter which race, was completely useless. I remember fucking skavenslaves tearing through hammerers on normal difficulty. And it also suffered from missles units clmaping on each other and being completely brainded on ambushes and sieges. Wh3 batle AI is objectively better.
>>557728709WH2 Legendary was actually hard and you needed to cheese to win so that's when he got popularBut IMO I think his streams were boring, his Saving your disaster battles were much much better to watch
>>557729207>>557729326WH3 isn't easy. Have you ever played as the Empire? Dealing with all the bullshit they throw at you is impossible. Vlad can solo ANY Empire army early on. Not to mention how much bullshit anti-player bias the game still has
>>557729498exactly.>>557729634>I remember fucking skavenslaves tearing through hammerers on normal difficultyyou're exaggerating a bit, hammerers wouldn't lose 1v1 with skavenslaves even on Legendary/VH. but the enemy skavenslaves would definitely win out on cost-effectiveness, and your broader point about frontlines being trash is true.Ironbreakers could get the job done... in fact, that proves a general point about WH2, which is that defensive melee infantry like Ironbreakers could be OK (heroes were usually better), but offensive melee infantry like Hammerers were generally trash.
A wise anon once said: If you have to cheese, lower the difficulty!
>>557728063>"I hate the fact that i cannot speak freefly of politics with my Total War-focused fanbase"Said that himself a while ago (not these exact words, but that was the meaning). He want to do political content but he will need brand new start and a mostly new userbase
>>557719929whats wrong wit this? This is sex. Its better than miao ying.
>>557730275
>>557730325>big boobs >clown girl makeup >ASKING FOR BROKEN MASCARA TREATMENTvs >some manly looking gook>also her breath absolutely freaks of horse semen.
>>557730530its a drag queen anon
>Shiyama: dead>Shen-Zoo: lost>Moon Empress: space-worm>Yin-Yin: never ever>Bhashiva: is just a (tiger)man
>>557730275You lie to /twg/.You are a bad poster.
>>557730629oh. well shit.
>>557730109Last time i played empire I ended up in a settlement battle where VC stood in the town doing nothing until my grenade horseman killed them all. bunching up and charging would be an improvement over how broken siege AI is now.
>>557730642Yin-Yin? More like Never-Ever.
>>557730642>"nah i'd win">gets chorfed off-screenTruly the strongest
>>557730275Dirty Slaaneshi crab-claws typed this.
>>557730976use Nah-Nah next time
>>557731120>age of shitmar lore
>>557729498I'll give you a hint, he's live right now
>>557731629End times was great and I’m tried pretending otherwise. If anything CA should double down and explore how Cathay got butt fucked in the end.
>>557717513I do find it funny that while everyone is distracted gooning over Miao Ying, all the characterization and interesting worldbuilding lowkey goes to Zhao. At his point the western provinces run laps around the others in terms of vibrancy, danger and complexity. I imagine the southern provinces would be something similar, but we get absolutely jackshit about them.
I will now pirate your DLC.
>>557732362Wow
>>557731928Just link him anon
>>557731949>hamfisted, rushed plot line to kill warhammer(because GW no longer had people that like their IPs and wanted to ditch a low income product) that has major events handwaved with token explanations and characters acting like retards or completely different people for no reason was great
>>557732648Yes. It’s warhammer at its best.
>>557732750>It’s warhammer at its bestDead and replaced by age of sigmar?
>>557732958Sure. All I know is that endtimes was the funnest the tabletop was since 5th edition, and that the atmosphere was kino. It’s also why vermintide 2 and tww were kino.
People weren't kidding that 40k news would come on april
>>557733110The atmosphere of end times is "the world inevitably dies no matter what because WHFB doesn't sell and nothing matters".TWWH has specifically not been end times for ten years.
Chances of getting Ghark Ironskin as an Ogre LL?
>>557734189It didn't sell because they refused to update it.
>>557734189If that’s your take on it Mr secondary. Also please get out of my general that you obviously do not have a place in.
Still no news on siege and public order/corruption reworks?The beta for siege was a big nothingburger?
I'm going to purchase the Bhashiva Character Pack on day 1.I can't wait to fight against Chaos with my stealthy Tigermen Warriors.The utility of the Clawspeaker and its Lore of Life can't be understated.Bhashiva will be such a powerful combatant that even Vlad von Carstein will lose in a 1v1.A reminder that Bhashiva will be clawing back at the tides of Chaos in late Spring and will cost £3.99/$4.99/€4.99.
>>557734673Wow! Such value!
>>557734673I’ll cream api it and be reminded how fucking boring Cathay is
>>557734673>$4.99>€4.99
>>557734389>If that’s your take on it Mr secondary.The entire point of end times was to kill warhammer fantasy and swap its corpse out for age of sigmar. It's not a take, it's not an opinion, it's an observation of reality.Don't be surprised when people tell you that you're enjoying throwaway corposlop used to kill warhammer fantasy in the laziest, most callous way possible.
>>557734801pretty much this
>>557734673When did the Pound Sterling start to beat the Euro?
>>557735024pretty much always been higher
>>557734959You don’t belong here.
>>557732362Perfection. Did they cave and update her?
>>557734389>Also please get out of my general that you obviously do not have a place in.mr fa/tg/uy please remember that this is the total war general
>>557735107That is extremely funny.
Why can't I spin character models...
>>557735160why
>>557735143yes and as you can see from the watermark in the bottom right of the image, they partnered with OpenAI to do so
>>557734801As a roster cathay isn't that boring. It has a lot of variety and artillery, which makes it awesome.
>>557735143yes of course, CA will always work very hard and fast to please its fans
>>557735253Finally AI is giving something back to society.
>>557735119Ironic.
You guys will bitch and moan about it but I bet that most of you would buy a Total War: Age of Sigmar.
>>557735591>set around the reign of Karl Franz>kinda>sorta>nnnnot really
>>557735738as long as its not a console rts.
>>557735738I already own realm of ruin but never really played it.
>>557735849like 40k?
>>557735738its campaign map would be even more challenging to develop than 40k's
>>557735975yeah im not playing the 40k tww. I probably wont even remember when medieval 3 gets released
>>557735738There are total war games I haven't bought because I didn't think I'd enjoy them.There are total war games I haven't bought because the aesthetic was such poison to me that the gameplay would never make up for it, even if such a title actually had exceptional gameplay.
>>557735738I would not, really.It has been years that total war last entertained me for anything other than quick dopamine hits. I am only sticking around for 40k
https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/blogs/94-introducing-bhashiva-the-tiger-warriors>Through these countless cycles, the White Tiger achieved what few beings of any age can claim - to have stood in battle against both Asavar Kul and Archaon.Does they mean Bhashiva herself fought Asavar (around 2300's) and Archaon (around 2500's) ?Or does it simply mean that "one of the previous White Tigers fought Asavar," and so what about the 11 other Everchosens ? Did all previous White Tigers miserably fail to even reach them
>>557737845the latter
Cant wait to ally zhao as gelt and recruit tiger mommies for my boys
Holy shit I come back to find out that Legend was right about everything. Even the CA knob gobbling redditors are apologising and crying and shitting their pants. Have (You) submitted your Legend Apology Form yet?
>>557738126no need for me to apologize i always had his back
>>557738126>Holy shit I come back to find out that Legend was right about everythingNo he wasn't
>legend's final livestream is just a hit parade of all the common chud talking pointshuh so he was a nazi the whole timehe fooled me with his asian wife
>>557738126I didn't care about legend's drama one way or the other, I just thought him crashing the fuck out was funny.
>>557695723Is there a bigger cuck and loser.
>>557727063>Legend of hasan orbiter soon
>>557735738I bet every executive that pushed out a flopped AoS game said the exact same thing.
>>557738126Actually Lords of Shangyan was 100% a creation of Legend's mind, but the idea was so good that CA decided to copy it.The same way that they had no idea of adding Cathay to TWW3 until some Chinese fans gave them a Cathay fanmade map.
>>557735738It's just such a lame setting, it's been pathetic to witness the newfound shilling of it by plastic munchers in recent years.
>>557739198do you think the execs that greenlit the age of sigmar dawn of war ripoff actually expected it to perform like the dawn of war games?age of sigmar makes even dawn of war 3 seem like a game with good performance
>>557740124The new vampire survivors clone that's half 40k WILL cause age of sigmar to break into the video gaming market proper. This time for sure.
>>557740248Dawn of war 3 outperforms literally the entire age of sigmar video game library combined right now.
>>557735738https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7_I6kj9fTc
>>557738064>picH-how can she help with that?
>>557740424So like 2 games combined?
>>557742107There's like 5 or 6 as far as I can remember.
>>557740248If dow 3 had been released in 2019 with primaris marines, imperiumfags would consuming it, like tacticus or battlesector
>>557668083>huge "SOLTAM" sign at the end>Soltam Systems is an Israeli defense contractor and kitchen equipment manufacturer located in Yokneam, Israel.I other words, this is da joos.
>>557670691How about I don't play chinkay at all? That'd be a challenge for all you chink dicksuckers, since you can't live without chinese cocks in your throats.
>>557639719Just give me sexy snake women
KEK!
>>557668083Empire artillery when you tell it to fucking aim at anything.
>>557668083>0,5 rounds per minuteThats impresive
>locks qol features behind dlcsand i though CA was bad
Idgaf about this furry shit. 40k news when.
>>557724496A legendary moment from a legend
>>55775344140kek is furry utopia thoughever
>>557752780are they actually doing that? that image gives me the impression they're just part of the general free update
>>557753615nah you have to pay 25 bucks for a character and some QoL updates for a game from the year 2000
>>557736007Marvel and its consequences have been a disaster for fantasy and sci-fi.
>>557756198that's more of a planescape thing
>>557641760>>557641920Because they are so different from Lizardmen, Skaven or Beastmen, right, tertiary-chan?
>>557756529yes, massively even
>>557756529>LizardmenNot furry, scaly.>SkavenDirty, ugly, weak, very ugly.>BeastmenDirty, stupid, ugly, very stupid.>Yiffchang KnotchongClean, idealized, smart.
>>557753949Good old blizzard really putting the A in AAA.
>>557758204I thought we were up to AAAA now?
>>557641760>>557641760>>557756949aren't tigermen really fucking old lore to begin with, why are you fuckers acting like its new
>>557760795I've always wanted Ind to be a combination of "human" and "civilized" Beastmen Kingdoms to reflect real life Indias huge ammount of diversity.
>>557760951that seems to be how it works at least
>>557728709Australians mostly seem to lack any sort of internal monolog or higher brain functions
>>557761863Neat.I've always thought that both the actual history of India and its mythology were really ripe for the Warhammer treatment.Unfortunately it will probably be treated with kid gloves like Grad Cathay because CA doesn't want a bunch of smelly people protesting in their lobby.
>>557762458Camel Guns are a must, also those crazy naked warrior dudes.Also some kind of juggernaut shrine, and the Hindu UFO thing.
>Can't play VCounts because ET DLC soon>Can't play TKings because ET DLC soon>Can't play Nurgle because ET DLC soon>Can't play Skaven because they are shit>Can't play WoC because ET DLC soon>Can't play Empire beacause ET DLC soon>Can't play Cathay because Bhashiva soon
Total War Runescape will save this general
>>557760795I for one am not one of the people who is reacting negatively to the announcement, but you will note perhaps if our opinions are not misaligned that the Tigerman in the image you posted looks much cooler than the Blizzard reject design that we have seen.not to mention it's more Indian-looking.
>>557763419that would make sense, the Tigermen we're getting are mercenaries based in Cathay so they look like a mix of Ind and Cathay while the other one is probably a tribe that never left
>>557762806>Can't play Skaven because they are shitIs nuclear ikit and Throt Mengele considered shit now? It's been a while.
>>557764420Still could look better.
>>5576397192020s really blessed us with buff catgirls
>>557764567I'm going to reserve my opinion until I see the rest of the units, that'll decide if I want to play the tigermen lord or not
a lizardmen horde just cut my tree down while I was away....
>>557765297This is no place for reasonable opinions.
Do you need an external mod manager for 3K like you do with Warhammer?
>>557760795It's not "just tigermen old lore", it's "nu chinkayified tigermen CCP propaganda, you will suck chinese dick every day after playing".
>>557766320Yes, it's called "Little Red Book" or "Quotations From Chairman Mao Tse-tung".
Best Skaven to get campaign victory (and also very hard campaign victory) with Total Warhammer 3?
>female Cathay voice said 'marching as one'>heard 'farting as one'The brap fags have cooked me. It's over.
>I haven't changed out of my pajamas for 5 daysLL for this feel
>>557760795Tigermen was implied to be a beastmen type like minotaurs. Now they are full on order.
>>557767445Even if they didn't add that lore blub the tigermen weren't gonna be chaos, they've pretty much always have been described as different and more 'civilized' than the beastmen people knew
>>557767353Ku'gath
>>557766971Provide your definition of "best".
>>557767445Technically things like Griffons ans Hippogriffs are chaos mutants they are just stable.The idea is the Mountains of Morn block a lot of the magic radiation from the Warp Gate, so Beastmen in Ind aren't as nuts.
>>557767893Yeah, but consider this: Warriors of Chaos are more civilized than the Beastmen we know. They have fortresses, chain of command, and can march in close formation. Still chaos.
>>557748910you play rome because you can only handle easy factionsI play Rome because I like their vibewe are not the same
>>557768048Except beastmen were created by the chaos moon not the gates spewing winds of magic.
>>557766320No base one works fine>>557766610Kill yourself you anti social faggot retard. This doesn't even make sense as a joke, how is a book supposed to be an active digital platform, you're just mindbroken by chinks and commies that you feel compelled to post low IQ retardeded drivel that doesn't even make logical sense as a quip. This is the most retarded attempt for humor I've ever heard.>yo do I need a program for this game>yeah this book that references chinks cause it's a chinese gameIt's like someone asking for Crusader Kings mod manager application and you say "Use the Bible lololol" makes 0 senseInstead of answering the question you spout autistic low iq verbal diarrhea that isn't funny or logical.
>>557768078I think you hoped for too much if you thought the Tigermen(and Monkeys for that matter) weren't going to be neutral at worst you have khuresh for your other set of evil animal people
>>557639719WOW! HOT a what Bhashiva!unironically thought it was a dude and it's just Nakai for chinese furries, lame
>>557768142That's not what the wiki says.The reason the Empire is crawling with beastmen and mutants is because they are constantly getting bombarded with magic radiation
>>557767353your skin hasn't morphed into pajamas?
>>557768706>it's just Nakai for chinese furriesChinese love their anime. They don't want this.
>>557768706>look at a regular female tiger passing by IRL>can't tell it apart from male tigerUhhh can we get an update ?
What is the most beatnik coded Total War faction?
>>557768402>anti socialProtip: just because you have a high "social credit" score, doesn't mean you're social.Keep being mad about your country and society being shit.
>>557768943They don't, unless by "their anime" you mean shitty chinese cartoons. The only value they see in actual anime is something to be stolen and used.
>>557768402>cause it's a chinese gameChinks are trying to steal Total War! Somebody call Sega's lawyers!
Reminder that once every 10 years the Everqueen travels to Ind for a ritual that halts the descend of the green moon and that each time she has to fight a bunch of tiger beastmen that don't exist in any other part of the world. Now it turns out tigermen are order aligned. The entire nu-lore is a joke.
>>557769538So... ritual gang bang?
>>557768078>and can march in close formationI've always thought it was stupid that beastmen, wild animals, and demons and form formations. A blob of violence would be more lore accurate.
>>557769538maybe if she stopped intruding on their land they wouldn't swing at her
>>557662569Li Dao is the melee autist lord, Bharaatjeeta stole his thunder. Yin-Yin will bring gunpowder. Yin-Yin is ascendant.
>>557769538Making anything Chaos aligned immediately makes it less interesting.
>>557768402Which mods do people use for 3K? I only remember MTU.
>>557770615I'd even accept destruction, there's too much order in the world.
>>557770921I use this https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2875547086
>>557769538>>557770615Even in the old lore the Tigermen, at least on their face, didn't appear to be Chaos aligned. At a minimum they weren't outright hostile to civilization and humanity. At worst they seemed to be a rather territorial tribe that offered protection as long as you knew how to appease them and stay out of their way.But implying that the Old Ones made them is ridiculous. Why would the Old Ones make their own Beastmen? Everything they made lead up to the creation of the Ogres as their anti-Chaos weapon. Tigermen have no place in that story.
what is that creatura on the op?
>>557771768your new gf
Do Skaven feel intimidated by those big cats?
Reminder that The Empire (the main character faction) is missing:>Legendary LordsAll Elector Counts (including Emmanuelle, Kurt Helborg is one too), Emil Valgeir (Volkimars equivalent in the Cult of Ulric), Valten, Imperial Dragon mount for Karl Franz>Legendary HeroesGenevieve (shared with Bretonnia and Cathay), Johann van Hal, Luthor Huss, Ludwig Schwarzhelm, The Ubersreik Five, Thyrus Gormann>generic LordsWitch Hunter General, Wizard Lord, Al-Ulrics (equivalent to Sigmar's Arch Lectors), Grand Masters>generic HeroesWarrior Priests of Ulric (self-explanatory), Empire Captain on a Demigryph mount>UnitsKnights of the White Wolf, Wolfkin, Hunting Hounds, Warriors of Ulric, Teutogen Guard, Celestial Hurricanum, Knights Panther, Kriegsritter (skirmish crossbow cavalry) Death's Heads (Halberdiers with shields), Imperial Dwarfs, Imperial Ogres, Halflings, Empire Foot Knights (for every knightly order), Laurelorm Forest elves (since they hate the Athel Loren elves but ally with The Empire more often)Once they get about 90% of the list done then The Empire can feel complete.
>>557773031>Empire still has DLC for days>they give us tranny shit like High Elves and Slaanesh insteadGrim, CHADpire needs more DLC
>>557773031You are getting a lot of that with the End Times DLC. For fuck's sake Loremaster of Sotek name dropped Valten and told people you can easily find out who is in the DLC by checking the End Times rules book since he said all the lords in the DLC are in them and Valten is literally the only missing order lord of any race in them with rules. Luthor Huss is literally in the fucking Nagash trailer. Richard Aldridge literally name dropped Kurt Helborg as getting a character pack sometime after End Times in the End of year video too. Genevieve is not a hero from tabletop,
>>557769538SHUT THE FUCK UP CHUD. ONLY TIMMIES ARE ALLOWED TO BE CHAOS WORSHIPPERS!
>>557773745>Genevieve is not a hero from tabletop,Neither is Ulrika or countless others and yet theyre still playable, Huntsmen, Nasty Skulkers and Hochland Long Rifles arent even proper units on the tabletop, theyre specialized units you can take with your units meanwhile in-game theyre proper standalone units, Empire deserves to have two vampire waifus in its roster.
>>557774197>Neither is UlrikaUlrika has a miniature
>>557774469I just spilled my dick
>>557767914Preferably the least agonizing to play.
How poorly optimized do you expect 40k to be?
>>557775529CA is a reliable developer, and SEGA is an excellent publisher with top-notch quality control. TW40K will have no game-breaking bugs at launch.
>>557775529If it caused PCs to literally catch on fire I wouldn't be surprised.
>>557775529dlss with frame gen on balanced to run at stable 60 fps with my 4060...
>>557775856Bro you're gonna need a 5090 and a 9800x3d to get 60 fps (with cope enabled)
>>557775529It's gonna run great on my PS5
>>557776025should I become a dictator's cocksleeve?
>>557769538It's khuresh not Ind
>>557775529It's a TW game, so the campaign map will make your PC lift off.
>>557771748Yeah the old ones thing is dumb
>>557776393Is he of your favored alignment (left, right, authoritarian)?If so, yes
>>557773031>Kurt Helborg is one tooHe has a Runefang but he isn't an Elector
Running a garrison is hard and Lords who stay in garrison should not face penalties.
>>557773031>All Elector CountsLiterally is no room for them all. The only lords with 8th edition rules are Marius Leitdorf and Valmir von Raukov(In the Mortkin mini campaign that added his son as a lh.)>Emil ValgeirHe is not allowed to leave Middenland in lore so he is not happening, There is a reason why his brother the previous ar-Ulric is exiled from Middenland....because ar-Ulrics are not allowed to leave. The other problem is this would permanently blocked off Boris Todbringer who CA already promised.>EmmanuelleNo tabletop miniature or rules. Canonly does not fight. Her faction is already taken by Eslpeth anyways.> Kurt HelborgAlready announced for a character pack. Guaranteed to start in Solland so the elector count position of that starts with his tabletop weapon.>Genevieve Literally no tabletop rules or miniature. She is basically redundant with Ulrika anyways since both are Lahmian vampires and Ulrika actually has a miniature and rules.>Johann van HalFLC material but makes zero damn sense without Wilhem Habsburg coming with him. Basically redundant with Gotrek and Felix already in the game they add nothing new.>Luthor HussLiterally in the Nagash trailer. Going to be the empire hero for that DLC.>Ludwig Schwarzhelm,Coming with Kurt>Thyrus GormannA lord not a hero. Emp has 2 wizard lords already. Don't need a third.>Witch Hunter GeneralDoesn't exist.>Wizard LordComing with dogs of war and usable by emp.>Al-UlricsHigh Priest of Ulric you mean? Likely coming with Valten with the hero version.>Grand MastersArrive with Kurt.>UnitsKnights of White Wolf, Hunting Hounds, Teutogen Guard, & Celestial Hurricanum are probably coming with Valten. 5th unit could be anything.Wolfkin literally have zero reason to be in game when you got flagellants. They are literally a reskined Ulric version. Warriors of Ulric already in game just renamed swords of Ulric. Knights Panther will come with Kurt alongside another knight unit and Reiksguard on foot.
>>557777260>He is not allowed to leave Middenland in loreI think you're conflating that lore snippet with another Middenheim character called the Knight Eternal, who has no connection to the cult of Ulric.
Empire should get Max Schreiber as an LH in whichever DLC gives us Thanquol.
>>557775529It will be a bigger shitshow than Empire, Rome 2, and Warhammer 3 combined.
>>557773031>Witch Hunter GeneralThis is not a thing.Here is what you are likely getting realistically:>End Times DLC: Valten, Luthor Huss, Celestial Hurricanum, and Ulric stuff.>Kurt Mini DLC: Kurt, Ludwig, Grandmasters, Knights Panther>Boris Todbringer FLC>Halfing mini DLC with likely Lumpin Croop in the Moot and some halfling stuff. Wizard lord halfling version is possible if they do not do wizard lords in Dogs of War.
>>557777857>Kurt Mini DLC: Kurt, LudwigI wonder if they will have voice lines that acknowledge that these two hate each other?
>piece of shit game keeps CTD randomly after a battleThat's it! I'm going back to WH2
>>557778794 Sounds like you got a broken cheat/mod.
>>557641760It looks like something out of ESO or GW2 and nothing like WoW
Holy soulI'm still torn on the roster but I love fireglaives
>>557779060I am using no cheats and something tells me it's not the pirated copy either because the antipriacy measures are different. I think my GPU is shitting the bed and running out of vram or something but that has nothing to do with the fact that 3 is a piece of shit and 2 was better
>>557773745>a lot of that with the End Times DLCWe are absolutely getting boris.
>>557773031>All Elector Counts (including EmmanuelleLiterally never gonna happen. They might add a couple of notable Elector Counts like Todbringer and maybe Leitdorf, but there's 0 chance all of them would be added. And less than 0 chance that a party girl like Emmanuelle would ever be added. The most likely Empire lords coming are Helborg, Valgeir, and Todbringer. Maybe Valten, but then CA has to contend with there being TWO Ghal Maraz models on two different lords at the same time. So unless they add the ability to swap Karl to a Runefang, I don[' thing it's likely.There is only one Ar-Ulric
>>557779745I don't know about your country but in mine it is illegal to sell something twice. I already bought him with the Beastmen DLC.
>>557779761>Maybe Valten, but then CA has to contend with there being TWO Ghal Maraz models on two different lords at the same time.That is not a problem at all when they already said Kurt is coming and his weapon is literally on Gorbad's model.(The Solland runefang)
pogs of war
>>557748910Me woth throgrim
CA should allow you to make your own faction and then start you near the border princes.
>>557775529If they are continuing with their intent to release it on consoles, then Sony will quality check them to prevent a complete disaster since they generally don't allow games on their system unless they're optimized.
>>557780587>CA should allow you to make your own faction and then start you near the border princes.No, absolutely not. We don't need another fucking Daniel.
>>557780216Confirmed as FLC then, fantastic.
>>557780660I fucking love daniel as a concept and wish he was a proper chaos warrior fantasy, or at least the demon fantasy was a bit more impactful.
>>557779745>We are absolutely getting boris.two problems anon...first is they already sold him to us...second luthor huss is in the end times trailer and makes no sense as the legendary hero paired with todbringer...the one he does make sense coming with? valten.
>>557780660Border Prince Daniel would've been a better idea to be fair
>>557781074>the end times trailerThe one that teased nagash? Did I miss a trailer?
>>557767353festus
>40ktroons>consoleniggersAnd now: FURRSHIT.How low /twg/ can be?
>>557773031>Empire Captain on a Demigryph mountwait why isn't that in the game
>>557782049We're all on the modern internet, where people aren't bullied into taking the rope, so...pretty low.
>>557782143Small family company, please understand
>>557780216You are a moron. You didn't buy shit.Reminds me of those retards who yell at Blizzard that they are breaking german laws because there you aren't allowed to sell a new thing at a discount day1.Your country can suck a fat nigger cock cause its laws are meaningless. If they make boris a DLC character then they will and you'll buy him.
>>557782049IKR? We need to start gatekeeping our community harder from outsiders, yes-yes!
>>557782476>male skavenNot real.
Will character customization just turn TW 40K into herohammer simulator
>>557780591Ps and PC ports has nothing to do with each other because both run on different system. So even IF and I mean A BIG IF the ps version is optimized, it doesn't indicate the PC version will get the same treatment
>>557732540elichtv
>>557782676the fantasy version we have is already a herohammer simulator
>>557782676Pretty certain all it's gonna do is create countless ss and trans flag marines. I'll be making all my units pink and turquoise, that's for sure.
>>557785109>>557785109>>557785109>>557785109>>557785109Get in here :3
>>557785229>>557785229>>557785229
>>557785254We're in here
>>557780591Cute myth. PoE ran so badly it crashed every 15minutes. The dark pictures anthology is crashing to this day and Cyberpunk released so broken that they had to remove the game from stores as it was unable to run on consoles for like half a year.Sony does not check anything.
>>557785183>>557785254>Super slow general>Double BakedIn for the slow haul
>>557780350I would argue it's a different story to have the same sword as a trophy on one model while another character uses it as his primary weapon vs. having the THE weapon of the series in the hands of two guys at the same time.But I wouldn't put it past CA. God knows they can't be asked to make customizable generic heroes.
>>557785183>>557785254I don't care which we use but I shan't post in either until one is clearly more active than the other
>>557785021I'll be sure to mix and match when I make my armyTrans rights are white rights after all
When does Tigermen minifaction dlc come out?>>557739584>>557738126I don't know who legend is.
I'm too scared to pick a general so I will stay here and remind you all that Aislinn the Sea Lord has 83 melee defence on turn 1.Karl Franz only has 45 melee defence.That is not ok.
>>557785183>>557785254The tension between these two bakes is the most excitement this general has seen since the 40K announcement.
>>557786818Hell yeah sister. We'll have the most beautiful marines of them all!
