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How do you feel about people spamming for the emperor throughout the mission? How many for the emperors are acceptable?

Let the general die until the Techmarine shows up for next week, use /coopg/ if you want codes or want to brag about beating the weekly stratagem (that refreshes on Wednesday)

>>557713813
>if you want codes
yeah, like that's ever gonna happen

>>557713647
1 as a greeting, 1 after a hard encounter/survived clutch. everything more is excessive & reddit

>>557713914
blame the autists naming & shaming ITT

>>557717770
that happened a year ago, most people itt haven't even been playing then

>>557713647
I don't do gestures
I don't chat
I don't do monologues
I only fortify

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as of 2/17, lightning claws are still feminine.

>>557724183
am i supposed to translate that kurwa bober speak?

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>>557724349
Not really. You wouldn't even get anything coherent out of that even if you did. But this is what I meant to post with regards to no lightning claws and two-handed weapons.

>>557725680
Lightning claws sounds like a faggy weapon.

Little homo scratching away with his nails. I'm new to space mareen and I know this game screams boys only club

CHINESE BROS WHERE IS OUR LUNAR YEAR DOUBLE XP EVENT??

>>557713647
Maybe only after we make it through an extra difficult wave + extremis spawns or a terminus spawn without anyone going down.

>>557723794
Lightning claws are cool.

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>>557713384
>thread died
Death cannot claim what Iron already owns

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Apothecary when?

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The only good operations are Inferno and Ballistic Engine.

>>557742854
The new one is good too

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>>557742315
I'm more surprised we still don't have Leandros playable, given that Chaplain has a model already in game. Feels like a nobrainer.
I expected Apothecary Biologis (2nd Gravis class, not a healslut) long before Techmarine too. I expected more generic classes like flying Gravis or even damn Terminators before Techmarine. Techmarine felt like the lowest priority addition to me, since this is small scale coop game where you don't use vehicles anyway.
>>557742854
All Nid missions are great. Exfiltration is my favorite, followed by Decapitation.

>>557743905
He may be in the game but they kept him out of combat despite him more than capable in solo missions as a newly promoted 2nd company battle brother attached to Captain Titus.

Since they're winding down SM2 stuff after the Techmarine update he won't show up anymore until SM3.

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>heldrake finishes his attack
>I jump out of cover to attack a terminator in cooldown of his attack
>suddenly I get hit and staggered by something for like a third of my life (I even had armor)
>I'm caught of guard searching for whatever dealt that damage, see nothing not even a sniper
>second hit, I die
Either there was some connection issue and there was an invisible opponent there, the heldrake fire damage lingered after the animation or Saber just went "fuck that guy" and pushed the fuck that guy button because I don't know what happened. The mission was going great (aside from the vanguard dying a few times) and I had 70% of my health two medpacks but I was too shocked to use them in time.

The post that killed this general was some furry posting cropped bestiality porn

>>557737884
That's just an excuse to practice technoheresy.

>>557746909
You can't spell "bestiality" without "best".

>>557742315
After the contested health rework.
An Apothecary would trivialize the game if he added any extra form of guaranteed healing on top of what we already have unless those particular healing perks get replaced

>>557742854
The sheer amount of downtime in Reliquary while waiting for the damn dialogue to finish between the machine spirit and Acheran is honestly the worst. The least they could do is make that damn atrium a bit more defensible.

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I can't get over how wasted campaign missions are. It's 6 (actually 7, since last mission the length of 2) missions just stuck there unused in a far more boring, moviegame game mode with a fraction of content and fun.
They should revisit them eventually so they are playable in Operations as well. Especially since they are all, but last one focused on Nids. It would require reworking, but still should be easier than making 1 mission every other month at best.

>>557747104
Yeah and you can’t spell “kill yourself” without (You)

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I wonder how terrible the heroic meltas will be.

>vanguard pressuring tactical to take the anti-hierphant laser
loser

>>557746909
>Space wolves edition

>>557718518
Guess the newer players are smarter than the older ones then huh

>>557749548
It doesnt require any reworking. Weve had working mods that let you do that before saber heard about astartes and killed multiplayer mods altogether

>>557752415
>revives not being 0

Clean it up for free cuck

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There's been a leak for a reworked UI and gameplay overhaul for SM2 later this year.

>>557764842
>titus blushing
fucking kek

>>557764842
>chinknights
How about no?

>>557764842
>>557766198
>still more polished than whatever vatniks came up with in their coal mines

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If they add lightning claws do you think it will be a one handed weapon like the power fist or will they be two handed and make the assault lose their sidearm?

>>557766503
It's all just smoke and mirrors. Chink games are not polished, you just have 20 million political prisoners adjusting your gameplay in real time as part of their slave labour.

>>557766967
>If they add lightning claws
>If
Bro they won't. Definitely in not in SM2. This >>557725680 is what Grigorenko wrote himself about them so draw your own conclusions
Please sell me some of that copium you're on.

>>557764842
I can't tell if this is aislop or actually one of those fortnite clones

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>>557767161
Brother...

>>557767473
It's Arknights, a chink tower defense game for phones where someone swapped models with those from SM2.

>>557767735
ah, makes sense

>>557767340
Calm down anon, I didn't play for a while or pay attention to news.

>>557769721
Well, now you know. Sorry if I came off strong but there are a couple of lightning claws aficionados in the thread popping up around the same time that quote gets posted. It didn't help that I'm after a real slog of the entire day either, which probably added to the irritation.
And I'm all for armory diversity btw as long as it's fun and brings value to the table.

How does one get his Space Marine into that gallery posted in the thread?

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Hey /sm2g/, let's see if you can get most points and earn that coveted holiday in a premium on Catachan. Here it goes!

>Things you do NOT want to get inside in in 40k universe

>>557775774
just post a screenshot in the armory with hidden UI. not cropped, full image. also state what chapter its supposed to be.

>Arc Raiders was born and died in less time than it took for tech marine to drop
How long has it been? I feel like it's been a year since they officially teased tech marine (not the data mined leaks.)

>>557713647
I don't like being no fun allowed but any more than two is simply annoying because they other random fags obviously have the expectation that you'll do it back for them every single time which i hate on several levels
It also doesn't help that Rock and Stone wasn't as annoyingly spammed most of the time back when i played DRG

>>557776201
The inside of a void ship's power core.

>>557778509
Arc Raiders is dead?

>>557776201
mah wiiife

I think Black Templars are cool

did i just play with at least one of you guys? that was smooth sailing. a easy hard strat, still very easy for a hard strat.
blood raven sniper & deathwatch bulwark
i was the sons of dorn tactical

>>557781823
I'm bored with it. Maybe the next update will be better than BIRBS.

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>playstation player
>its a hotmicing groid
every time

I got 300 accolades. Which heroic weapon should I get? I mostly play tactical and vanguard so I'm thinking about getting the chainsword or one of pistols.

>>557786713
none of them are worth getting other than the bolt sniper and instigator

The heroic weapons wouldn't be do bad if you could change the skin.

>>557787680
Patch 12 is going to let you change them.

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Redpill on the power fist brahs. Never used it because I though it looked goofy but I've warmed up to it. Tried it out last night on Bulwark until the game crash 3/4 through

>>557790775
>get charge perks
>KAME
>HAME
>HA!

>>557790775
>Regular Power Fist: Heavy attacks only to absolutely rip apart anything caught in its AOE
>Heroic Power Fist: Light attacks can usually four-piece a majoris with its full combo. The penalty on charge attacks isn't nearly as bad as it sounds. Better for gunstrike + armor regain builds which can mesh even stronger on the Assault's gunstrike team perk.

>>557790775
get tides of battle to make it into a short/midranged weapon and use charged attacks 90% of the time
it is, by far, the strongest melee weapon in the game limited only your instincts for positioning and timing

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Just had an idea: a lightning claw as a heroic for the power fist.

Wonder what would the heroic ability be.

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Techmarine when?

>>557794580
Next week, chief

Playing this game makes me wish we could euthanize retards again

>>557794146
Just had an idea: shut the fuck up

>Load into a game with a Vanguard and Bulwark spots taken
>Go Tactical
>Neither of them have any heal perks
>We still clear it with absolutely no difficulty, even had the elevator go out
>Didn't use the point for damage once because I had no idea what its range was
Done on the first try

>>557801218
Stay mad

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>clear the mode with the modifiers on normal
>try out the hard version
>two sorcerers and hellbrute
I don't think this is hard difficulty?

>>557803583
Hard stratagems are the same as hard siege mode, which is absolute plus additional hp and damage scaling
You are guaranteed one terminus, possibly two, and every terminus spawn has two waves of adds with it, up to 3 extremis and 4 or so majoris for each extremis not spawned

>>557803798
I’ve run hard Strats with no Terminus before
It’s unlikely but can happen

>>557804801
So have i but saying that its possible is also giving someone a false sense of security, its better to have someone assume every possible terminus spawn spot has one until they've gotten two dead helbrutes instead of letting them barrel forward into a terrible situation with no caution

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>tfw you send 3 men to do a 5 men job and they still complete the misison

>>557764842
Chairon so kawaii...

>>557766967
The easiest thing they could possibly do is make them the retractable lightning claws, so now you can use two of them and it won't interfere with weapons.

>>557809520
Now that the dust has settled, was he really low on soldiers to pull that move?

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>queue up weekly lethal op to justify keeping the game installed
>low level vanguard and an assault
>w/e just play
>proceed to get cheesedicked and stunlocked the entire op including a moment of perfect timing where i get hit by a neuro ball the exact frame after i leave an execute animation
>get kicked from the op by a connection error on the finale
maybe it's time to play something else

>>557810225
he was probably was because he kept sending 3 man fireteams to do the job of entire squads if not platoons and then they all died because they were predictably overrun

>>557809520
>sends out multiple squads for the first time on a singular mission
>all but 3 of them make it back
The Emperor decrees no more than 3.

>>557713647
I refuse to do it because it was added in by DRG redditors insisting their shitty meme be added to EVERY coop game.

>for the emperor is reddit
do you even 40k

>>557812768
Why do you hate fun just because it was created by redditors

>>557813309
Because retards spam this shit in every single game constantly non stop then get upset when you don't do it.

>>557748420
The ruskies already promised to get rid of heal banner, at the very least, if apothecary ever got added

Extremis kills / executes should give contested health

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>>557814437
>if apothecary ever got added

>>557814646
All executes should give back some HP the same as the one mutator to make up for how the game just has fundamentally unavoidable damage at times.
>>557814928
i'm well aware

>>557786713
the great ones are:
>powerfist
>thunderhammer
>instigator
>bolt sniper (literally best in slot, its overpowered)
>heavy plasma
>heavy bolt pistol
some also really like the heroic heavy bolter and the power gladius, i don´t.
for tactical i would just geht the heavy bolt pistol for strong gunstrikes (most singletarget damage gunstrike) and interrupting calls.

This week's stratagem is easy, are they really not allowing same classes for like an entire week at least for the Techmarine? Everyone will be running solo...

did they rework the ammo economy of the grenade launcher on the PTS? i personally think that the 1 nade per emps wrath/refill on ammo pack but not on ammo chache is super unintuitive and weird.

>>557818880
>1 nade per emps wrath/refill on ammo pack but not on ammo chache is super unintuitive and weird.
I presume it checks all the requirements for lethal and below. Anything above is an afterthought.

I'd like to see those fucking vatniks or even the big man game director Dmitry "no fun allowed" Grigorenko stream their live gameplay of absolute or hard strats. I'd even bring popcorn.

>>557786001
I just turned crossplay off even if it means no one is joining. Only missions where it annoys me is obelisk because carrying the relic while the bots do fuck all can be frustrating and atreus because doing the train part alone is tedious.
When people do join it's usually people who are 4/25 with meta builds like Tac flamethrower turning tyranids into Vietnamese skewers.

>>557819110
>Implying they play this game

Death to Black Templar players. You are all negative IQ ice swelling monkeys.

>>557829349
You can tell the difference between a good and bad BT player by the knees.

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>>557829349
Weird, my teamates just thanked me in the weekly hard stratagem because I was printing free HP with my banner as a BT bulwark :^)

>>557832618
I thought armour is better with this strat because ya'll are taking damage together

If everyone gets an armour tab every 30 seconds, you won't lose HP that much

>>557832618
>thanked me in the weekly hard stratagem
lies, people that play hard strats don't talk

>>557832680
The armour every 30 seconds is the level 5 perk, the banner giving back contested hp is another perk and you can get the banner back quickly enough by blocking things with your shield (especially terminators).
>>557832719
Not in voice chat, in text. Such is the way of the Western European autist with crossplay off.

>>557833068
I know they're different but within that same column is the perk that allows you to properly shield rush and not get stunlocked

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>>557833304
6th row is shield bash/rush damage, longer banner, banner giving back EHP
7th row is the one with merciless resolve giving you immunity to knockbacks for 10 secs after a bash/rush.
Picrel is what I ran with (yes I know there is a redundancy and I do not care).

>>557834241
My bad, I run the shield thing that allows for better shield rush

I only play as a heal Bulwark if the stratagem requires healing

>>557834356
Yeah when healing isn't a problem I just pick longer banner duration instead of contested hp banner. The vanguard I had kept getting mauled by chaos spawns despite all my efforts to stagger them so the healing was useful.

>be heroic bolt sniper sniper
>helbrute spawns on the last drop pod before the lift
>immediately switch to carbine
>helbrute hp goes from full to dead in a few minutes while my teammates get rekt from terminators, waves and a helbrute plasma shot
the vatniks need to allow for the ammo perk to work on this gun

>>557834969
>Exacting Focus + SMG magazine dump
Feel so good.

>>557838186
>tfw haven't touched sniper and heavy yet, the former because I wanted to learn the game first and the latter because everytime I join a game there is already a heavy
Soon with tech marine I shall be able to see what it's all about, hell I even bought the heroic plasma + heavy bolter + sniper in advance.

>>557838650
Sniper more than any other character really needs a lot of weapon rarities + level perks to really make him shine. Kind of like the psyker in Darktide.

>>557838650
Sniper maxes out at Ruthless

Anything above he doesn't shit out enough damage and his playstyle is useless against mass mobs

>>557839295
absolutely not true, its just a very skill based class. yesterday i played with a sniper that incaped nearly every majoris in a few seconds (and left them up for executes)
also completely demolished a neurothrope by himself.
snipers issue is that currently he IS the heroic bolt sniper, every other weapon underperforms and this one overperforms (if you are good)

>>557839295
>mass mobs
At least against Tyranids he can wipe out a majoris to thin the herd a bit. He can also delete neuros and I've been able to reliably deal with a carnifex with exacting focus + SMG.
Against chaos though yeah, he's going to be a lot less effective dealing with getting mobbed while you kill majoris enemies.

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Should tac flamer be nerfed?
I like it a lot but I genuinely wonder why would I use anything else ever

>>557847090
No fuck you
Let a flamethrower in a videogame be really good for once
Fuck off

>>557849875
Mayhapst thou should stop immediately taking every single gunstrike thou gets and thereby stop eating shit for it

>>557849875
>be blocknigger
>eat shit
Many such cases

>>557850481
>block
He's perfect parrying in the webm though

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>>557850328
its best to take the guntrike in 95% of situations. even if you get hit because of it you set up executes. if you dont take it youll be dodges attacks anyways and resetting your gunstrike. the only time you dont have to is vs 1-3 majoris where you have control of the combat and arent eating a stream of red and blue attacks

>>557851008
>>557849875
>power sword
useless weapon
even the fencing power axe can land a small kaboom

>>557847229
It's weird how it hasn't been nerfed to shit with the devs "no fun allowed" approach to balancing.
Same thing with indomitable aura.

>>557847229
Dont get me wrong I love it and would play it even if it was shit tier
I just could settle with good instead of very good

>>557854378
i´d rather have everything on "very good" in this game tbqh. i play vermintide 2 as well and i was always ver cautious of fatshart overbuffing / releasing overpowered weapons but in sm2 i like the idea of overpowered bullshit vs overpowered bullshit, because sm2 sometimes just throws absolutely unavoidable fuck you´s in your face.

>>557850481
>be fencing nigger
>be retarded

>>557849875
massive skill issue

>>557849875
instead of being a cunt i´ll try to give some advice. the first gunstrike in the video was a mistake. should have thrown a nade + executed.

>>557858053
but it didnt even matter since there was no hp consequence. unless there is some way to magically stop the majoris from attacking you while there is a terminus attacking you then there is no solution to escape dying in webm

>>557858726
thats what the grenade would be for. you escape the grenade by executing while damaging all majoris

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Brothers, not long now till the techmarine. Cant wait to run back to back solo ops kek

Now to decide whether to do classic red or paint him black and larp as an iron father. Also here's my iron hands techmarine i painted about 4 months ago.

>another chaos weekly
fuck
off

>>557851008
Judging by this post, you don’t understand how to play the game

>>557861679
I'll probably do full standard shark with one red pauldron

>>557861679
Good job with the mini
Maybe I'll encounter my first ingame iron hands after the techmarine release

>>557849875
>gunstrike
>not executing to abuse i frames and look around to see what to do next
Retard

>>557865802
This, he should have thrown a grenade or two as well before rolling back so he's facing all those Warriors in front of his shield

Once up front he can do short shieldbash charges

>>557864165
>i'm an idiot
ok thx

>>557867649
Watch gameplay of actually good players doing true solo Absolutes or solo Hard Siege at Waves 15+ and you’ll see how often they wait to take gunstrikes
Immediately taking every gunstrike is the biggest tell of an inexperienced player in this game, regardless of what you think about it “not mattering” because you don’t lose any HP
The issue is not that you end up HP-neutral, the issue is that getting staggered at the end of a bad gunstrike sets you up to take more damage than you would have otherwise

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>>557864761
based carcharodon anon, hopefully tyberos gets a new model in 11th edition!

>>557865429
ty, well unfortunately it seems like tech marine champion skin isnt coming anytime soon and the ptr leak is false about iron hands getting a tactical champion skin.

>>557869480
>true solo
>good players
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Gunstrikes are also dogshit, spamming executes will keep him alive

>>557869480
>true solo
lol

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>>557861679
Great work on your Techmarine, as usual. I also finally got around to finishing the termies (the ancient was a pain to complete, the banner specifically). I need to paint their power weapons some other day. Oh and I managed to squeeze in some downtime for a venerable dreadnought too. Makin' good progress I suppose.
>Cant wait to run back to back solo ops kek
Lol, same here. I don't know why I had a sliver of hope they'd announce lifting class restrictions during PTR. It is Saber after all. Though I can ran whatever if you want to level your Telorian.

Is there a tier list for the relic weapons? And how does the heavy bolt rifle with a grenade launcher look on the PTS?

>>557869634
>>557869806
>playing the coop game by yourself doesn´t actually make it harder cope
yeah getting attacked by everything at once isn´t harder at all.

>>557876687
strong:
>powerfist (borderline OP)
>bolt sniper rifle (best in slot for sniper)
>heavy plasma
>thammer
>heavy bolt pistol
also some people swear on the heroic heavy bolter for heavy, have not unlocked it yet.

the heavy bolter grenader launcher is good if the 50% buff to bodyshot damage stays on the grenades, same goes for the regular boltgun grenadelauncher.
the heroic balanced weapons will be good if the balanced stat buff also carries over to them, this was not the case on the PTS.
the heroic fencing(block) knife will probably be best in slot for tactical.
all other heroics are meh, memes or niche imo.

>>557869634
>>557869806
Fact: the game is easier with teammates. Even if they’re bad.
If you can true solo, you can carry any team.

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Whats the cap?

>>557879848
Nobody swears on the Heroic Heavy Bolter, but it’s pretty good
The best part of it is the fact it has no spin-up time

>>557880643
solo with no bots is the easiest way to play the game. the enemies just pace back and forth not attacking you and you get 100% of the midikits and ammo drops, and you get a constant armor drip. its unironically easier than having bots since all the damage is from cross fire, its not even worth having a bot res you sometimes.

>>557879194
>>557880643
lolno

>>557881779
giga cope

>>557882067
he's right tho
>but I get attacked by everything!
no you dont, you get the same benefits people in get in a squad, aka a retarded AI that wait their turns to attack you to make it fair, and you dont have to deal with any form of teamplay and you have the whole pool of items to yourself
if you want to farm free strats suit yourself, just dont pretend this shit isnt braindead

>>557882971
if you´d actually play true solo on absolute/hard strats you´d know that this is deomonstrably untrue.
>terminus spawns
>3 extremis all targeting you
post a video of you dodging through a neuros green wave, mine bombardment by a biovore while blocking/parrying a ravener and 5 warriors at once while 2 snipers and 2 wormspitters are shooting you.
its true that the slot system is comically passive vs idol majoris, but as soon as you get a massive wave/big idle blob + a terminus you are going to eat shit.

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>>557883368
yeah thanks for proving my point retard, that's the same exact system in squad, the terminus+extremis will often just gang up on one guy and move to the next
also
>Fact: the game is easier with teammates. Even if they’re bad.
I cannot wait for that guy to boot up the game after 6 months and discover what stratagems are, he's gonna have so much fun

how much damage does pointing do?

>>557884165
>>557881779
>>557881957
You cannot be making this argument in good faith. You just want to pat yourself on the back and convince yourself you’re playing a harder game than the guy you saw do a true solo run.

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>xbox and playstation monkey in friendly fire strat
>playstation monkey within 20 seconds of the match throws a grenade at his feet and takes out half of my health
>stealth back to full health and shoot him in the back of the head until he's downed
>the xbox chimp during all of this has run past every single enemy on the map trying to speedrun
I will be turning off crossplay again.

>>557881779
2 more teammates = 2 more guys taking aggro
2 more teammates = 2 more guys dealing damage
2 more teammates = two more busted team perks like Secure Stockpile or Heal on Extremis
2 more teammates = more stuff like Bulwark Banner, Auspex, etc
2 more teammates = 2 more guys to revive you if you fuck up and die
The fact that you think having a couple more stimms (ammo is irrelevant) is equal to all that is genuinely insane, I do not believe you actually think this
>>557884165
>posts the single stratagem modifier out of 200+ that makes true solo easier
You sure showed us!

>>557885668
>You cannot be making this argument in good faith
I am, please prove me wrong
Explain to me carefully how hard strats like Friendly fire or Great responsability are actually easier with bad teammates than in true solo
You wont, because you cant

>>557886053
>posts the single stratagem modifier out of 200+ that makes true solo easier
The operation that is litterally on top of this one has a friendly fire modifier right now, bad day to post your retarded opinion in the thread, try again tomorrow maybe you'll get better rng

>>557886434
You are making this argument in bad faith. You are holding up the 2/200+ stratagem stratagem modifiers that make true solo easier and pretending that that proves that true solo is always easier. You’re either making a bad faith argument on purpose because you don’t like that some people put in the time and effort to be better than you are, or you have a fucking dent in your head.

>>557885668
Not him but solo is legit easier simply because both bots and other players cause chaos and make it more difficult to predict what bosses and other mobs will do.

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>>557887429
>You are making this argument in bad faith
You said that already, still waiting for that argument

>You are holding up the 2/200+ stratagem
Did you play yesterday and miss the explosive+radius affix? The one where one dude could blow up one barrel, chain 4 other nearby and instakill their whole team? Do you play this game at all?

Look, rather than explain the game to you I'm gonna make this simple statement:
The true and only challenge of this game is the teamplay, it's how you manage your execs, how your position yourself, how you cover and communicate with people and the decision making associated with it
Your ability to parry on blue and dodge on red is worthless to me, you're basically on top of mount stupid and acting smug about it

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Warhammer 40,000 ranged damage.

>>557879848
>>557881309
Thanks.

>>557889742
well done anon

I NEED THE NEW UPDATE NOW, I CAN'T WAIT

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Sometimes its fun to play the hard strategem just to see how dogshit the average player is. These two chucklefucks got farmed by chaos cultist back and forth the entire match. I had to solo a carnifex during a majoris wave and also 4 autocannon termies at the same time. That being said bulwark is easy mode and playing with minotaur colors emboldens my soul.

>>557886434
>prove me wrong
>prove
posts on an anonymus image board aint prove shit

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>Patch is in a week
>On a thursday
We going to have weeklies reset on Thursdays now?

>>557880643
What? I'll take bots over random xbox/snoy assault who keeps groundpounding in the middle of 6 majoris and then dies, hogs all the medkits, an assault who throws frag grenades at my feet to stagger me, etc etc...
If you had crossplay enabled long enough you have definitely seen some shit.

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I play hard strat daily
multiplayer queue
crossplay on

>>557881184
1000

>>557917581
same
yeah, they're pretty bad at the game
still rarely enough of an issue at this point even with modifiers like empathy

>>557917581
Ok. Here's your (You). Keep us updated Anon.

i was inactive for a while and missed the PTS
the techmarine perks seem like a unfocused confused mess tbqh.

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>>557921524
Here's a picture for you next time.

>>557924654
i was indirectly asking for people that played on the PTS to share their impression of techmarine. i want to look forward to this class but the talent tree is AWFUL

>>557924914
It was my mistake, I quoted you instead of quoting the post right above yours. Lunchbreak fast shitposting accidents.

Today's hard obelisk is quite the ballbuster

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We are one week away, my Salamaniggas.

>>557934773
>everyone playing solo and not getting lobbies because everyone will be playing Techmarine

>>557935758
Game will likely go on sale for the millionth time, and the Twitch event with a couple of cosmetics will also boost players. I think you'll still find lobbies without Techmarine taken purely through new and returning players hopping back on, albeit a little slower.

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>>557935758
Every time I think about it I am reminded how monumentally stupid retards Saber are. Funniest thing is that I'm not even mad about it anymore. These russkies aren't worth more attention beyond that.

>>557935943
This Techmarine update is the perfect test run to lift class restrictions.

Yes 3 Tacticals and 3 Vanguards will be OP but they can collect as much data for like 2 weeks and release an update to revert changes.

>>557936097
It would require some actual coding to get the team perks to either stack (which would be retarded, imagine the melta spam with tacticals) or to automatically pick another team perk if the first one is already taken. But then the problem is if there are only two tacticals, they both have the 60 sec grenade perk, first one gets the perk and the second one gets a random of the remaining two? If you get the ranged damage it can be alright but the CHP recovery on range you wouldn't want that. So then the players would complain and ask for the ability to prepare several team perk choices in case they don't get their first pick.
Too much of a headache because if they just go and do it without allowing the team perks to stack people will also complain.

>>557940618
The temporary lifting of class restriction is only in place to ensure everyone can play the Techmarine without running solo with bots.

SM2 won't lose shit if everything is OP and broken as fuck for like 2 weeks. Who cares if 3 Tacticals can instantly melt Terminus enemies or that nobody dies because there are 3 Vanguards or Bulwarks milling about?

I dont want class stacking, ever
You will sit in queue with your techmarine and you will be happy

Shit like this is why Space Marine 3 should be about simple battle brothers, no classes, and you just fuck around with your gear and armor for stat boosts and abilities.

I imagine Saber never bothered to code in potential same-class squad buff stacking.
Just imagine
>3 Tacts start stacking 3 Aligned Aims or regen 3 grenades every minute
>3 Assaults deal disgusting melee damage to extremis and above or obscene gunstrike damage
>3 Vanguards start healing way more than 30% per extremis kill or regain like a third of their ability bar per execute
>3 Bulwarks either never lose contested HP or regen 3 armor pips every 30 seconds
>3 snipers stack headshot damage bonuses or 20% ability charge regen per headshot
>3 heavies reduce ranged damage by even higher than 25% or get even more ammo

Just remove Auspex Scan from Tactical, increase the baseline damage of all guns to compensate now that you don't have to worry about it, and then make Tactical the class that specializes in ammo and equipment replenishment. Turn Emperor's Vengeance into a team perk where everybody can get 10% ammo back on executions. Now his grenade regen perk has actual competition.

>>557921524
>>557924914
Hes bad. No survivability and bad damage outside of applying the fire DoT.

>>557942687
I honestly think only tactical and bulwark, maybe vanguard and assault, would get to be truly busted by stacking traits.
Triple aligned aim could be good if the numbers add up, but it's only a nice DPS increase and not truly busted by my judgement.
Assault is similarly dependent on the numbers, 90% bonus gun strike damage could mean instant death on parries or basically nothing depending on the math.
I actually think more than the 30% heal on extremis kill starts having diminishing returns, how often will you actually need that full heal and how often will most of it go to waste? 45% cooldown per kill would be the real kicker, would let them really spam the non-refund hook build for big damage instead.
3 armour pips every 30 seconds also isn't really that big, the real value is in having armour at all not how much. It would actually be great if it was 1 pip every 10 seconds, but since they'd all stack the benefit compared to 1 pip would be minimal. Endless CHP would be nice though.
Snipers could get what, 30% headshot damage or an ability refund every 3rd headshot kill? Considering they already get their ability back so quickly I'd go for headshot damage but it'd be whatever.
Getting 75% ranged damage resistance would be hilarious but it'd not help at all against melee so probably only mid at best.

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uuuuagggh

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it is baffling that anyone would ever pick this

>>557946204
People who pick this are new players who think that every perk they take is actually working and it's not just one per column

>>557946204
It was the best pick pre-Secured Supplies

>>557952462
it was borderline shit then they made it only affect ranged damage

>>557944670
>but it'd not help at all against melee
You shouldn't really be getting hit in melee unless you're left alone to deal with like 3-4+ majoris enemies and they start overlapping attacks.

>>557952462
I stuck with Aligned Aim getting buffed from 5% to 15% in the period between Transhuman Physiology getting nerfed and the first team perk being made into Secure Stockpile.

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Sorcerer Terminator in Patch 13 right?

>>557941205
I'll just some solo ops until I get the omnissian axe to purple tier.

>>557955841
It'll be reskinned Imurah and somehow just as dangerous as a Neurothrope.

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Plasma is certainly stronger than melta but it has some extreme ammo economy issues.

>>557940618
They don't need to do anything except make it so teamperks dont stack. They don't stack in Darktide for example

>empathy
Guess I'm not bothering with the weeklies

>>557962461
do it with bots

>>557962530
Nah, I like playing this game with other people. And the bots doing no damage makes everything take a year

>>557879848
Sorry for the late reply but what makes the Relic Powerfist OP?

>>557962669
skill issue but alright

>>557963072
It isn't, and not sure why you feel the need to start projecting this. Are you insecure about how good you are at this game?

Which is your primary vanguard weapon of choice? I just prestiged 4 the class and have all the weapons fully leveled and honestly none of them really click with me much, even the heroic wrapped instigator.

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Augh

>>557962931
not relic, heroic. getting gunstrikes on execute is INSANELY powerfull. you might stumble into a chain of gunstrikes and executions from a simple gaunt goin red in your vacinity at any time. its safe & nearly free damage.
imo its a lot better on bulwark because of the parry damage incaping majoris really early, despite assaults gunstrike damage option.
tip: light 1 (not cannon punch you need to be stadning) incaps minoris.

>>557969506
Block Power Axe

>>557969506
SMG bolter. i basically just use it to finnish off majoris to get the enhanced Q.
and yes i´m currently running balanced for gunstrike reloads & in preperation for the upcoming buff to balanced weapons. they are probably going to be a real alternative.

>>557969506
To echo tips anons have given me here about Vanguard primaries and my own personal experiences with them...
>Ammo Auto Carbine
Great CQC burst damage that combos extremely well with Block weapons to still let you "melee" while keeping the single adrenaline charge in your pocket. Mag dump heads > profit.
>Heroic Instigator
Fantastic CQC burst option and moderately okay ranged pick. Ammo hungry so you gotta be a lot stingier with the shots especially since it fires 1/6th of the mag with every trigger pull. Shaves down minoris hordes too if you feel like it and can line up the right angle.
>Damage Occulus
2x Headshot damage bonus goes brrr. Laser accurate under scope and has a very good ttk on most things if you can line up the burst right. Probably the best gun to use with the Grapnel Execute chain build but lags behind the standard carbine for burst. Pair with a secondary/melee combo that fixes the cqc and you're golden.
>Ammo Melta
Really really good for cleave and minoris clear and helps you learn Vanguard's CQC habits but is absolute dogshit for damage on terminus and extremis.

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Damage funny ammo scary.
Its always a sad day when only one helbrute spawns.

>>557969506
Ammo version of bolt carbine + Fencing power axe or chainsword so you can instantly reload after a gunstrike

You'll burn 3/4 of every magazine to put one Majoris into execute as long as you maintain headshots

With this setup you don't need to melee at all since all the maps will have enough ammo for you to burn, you can even grapple hook chain once you've burned half your magazine and it will autoexecute if you have that perk

Honestly slow weapons suck balls, no majoris ever stays still to even charge it once 3 out of 4 times you'll have to dodge/block/parry unless you're some hyperarmor build but that's shit

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Im starting to get bored of my heavy cosmetics but heavy has some really bad customization options.

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>>557776201
>Things you do NOT want to get inside in in 40k universe
How about things you WANT to get inside of within the world of 40k?

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>>557873474
Nice to see your still around grey knight anon, you came to mind the other day when i saw a guy on youtube do a saturnite dreadnought conversion to a grey knight dread.

I dont have any new iron hands to show because ive been painting deathguard, picrel. The devs are sticking to their guns on class restrictions which is disappointing but expected.

>>557969506
Ammo Instigator
Melta pistol
Block power axe or chainsword
grapple reset build

Is the game supposed to precreate shaders every time it starts up?

Still no word on new accolade armors

>>557969506
Regular Instigator

Do not get anybody who prefers the Heroic version with its comical spread where you miss 2-3 shots in your 5 round burst the second you're 10+ meters away from the target.

reminder to kick techmarines on sight. go be underleveled somewhere else.

>>558005543
I'll be carrying your ass even at Lv1, like I did with the average pubby when Prestiging my shit.

Is there really that much of a difference in attack speed between fencing and block weapons?

>>558011593
yes
go from playing balanced to block weapons with something like chainsword or even following blow on fist and you can feel how sluggish it is
its why block is best on weapons that are charge attack oriented rather than combo chain oriented because all it does is slow the initial animation to start charging but the charge itself remains the same

I think I am retarded....Does Strength actually affect damage on melee weapons? I've usually just been going for whichever ones give me 8 or higher strength and bonuses to other stats without too many drawbacks

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It's all so tiresome.

>>558014084
yes

>>558014084
it does, it's just that if you're running fencing the difference is laughably small

>>558014084
it depends on the weapon. imo the only fencing weapons worth using are the fencing heroics. they do not have any breakpoints where they incap a majoris/extremis in an acceptable timeframe.
blanced will probably be really usefull next patch because its getting a huge buff. worst defensive type be damned, its going to do so much fucking damage it will be worth it.
block is generally the best, as of now, but this especially true for any charge based weapon (fist, powerswordwhirl, thammer) because speed does not affect charge attacks at all and charge attacks always fully benefit from adrenaline surge.

>>557977258
>unless you're some hyperarmor build
bruh, what the fuck.

letting bulwark players play a melee build was a mistake

>>558011593
The only real use case for Block weapons is against Chaos enemies or increased Extremis spawns since a mob of either of them are too difficult to handle with Fencing/Balanced weapons.

With Block you charge twice then attack said Chaos spawn mob to wipe them out instantly.

With Tyranids its much safer to just gunstrike the Warriors to oblivion and even with Fencing they hit execute range after a couple of swings anyway.

A fully charged ground pound will put any Majoris into execute range even with Fencing while the Bulwark only needs to parry once for Intidimating Aura + the shock grenade AoE to do the same; if the shock grenade is in cooldown it simply needs to either unga bunga for a few seconds or parry the second time for another Intimidating Aura AoE bomb to put said Majoris into red.

>>557977258
press x

i either run all block or all balanced and never anything else
i'm not going to try and relearn my muscle memory timings every other game

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>>558028538
>the only real use case for block...
yo what the fuck, no. block is still overall the best defensive type.
>tactical rapes every extremis to death after blocking twice
>assault blows up extremis with adrenaline surges on groundpound and deals significant bossdamage
>relic block powerfist on bulwark is still top tier
>relic block thunderhammer is one of assaults best picks
>relic block poweraxe is contesting for the best melee weapon in the game on everyone who can pick it
the buff to balanced weapons will do a lot for variance in builds, but as it stands right now block is by far the best. the fencing heroics are not good because they are fencing, they are good because they have insane heroic perks.

>A fully charged ground pound will put any Majoris into execute range
depending on %meleedamage in your and the weapons perks, the base weapondamage does nothing for assaults groundpound, it has a fixed damagevalue with the exception of thunderhammer having near infinite cleave and a larger radius. notably powersword reaches the highest %meleedamage.
balanced and fencing always have the same fixed groundpounddamage with differences depending on the %increases you skilled, block is able to get additional multiplicative % wich will nuke extremis.
i´m all for variance in playstyles, but i do not see a reason to ever pick fencing outside of the heroic fist & hammer. and the upcoming heroic fencing knife, but that is basically block.

>>558011593
Test it out my man and use whatever you like best. Best leave min-maxers to their shtick.

>>558028538
>>558029583
I really gotta hand to you Bros, the insight into minutiae of blocking mechanics you posted is impressive but in all my 800+ hours of playing I've never given THAT much attention or cared enough to scrutinize which block type is viable in this scenario or that. And I say this having maxed out everything (up until now) and even having cleared all the "fuck you, you can't have fun" strats content etc.

The best advice I can give to anyone is use what feels most comfortable to you. Everything can be cleared using every melee type. Unless Saber turn this game into some sports league competitive title, there's no actual need to split hairs over optimal way to play.

>>558029583
fuck off blocknigger

>>558030585
>The best advice I can give to anyone is use what feels most comfortable to you.
100% agree. i just got triggered by
>the only usecase for x is
i dislike absolute statements like this, especially if they are wrong

>>558030595
harder to pull off, better results. and i play everything once in a while, fencing (relic) just always dissapoints.

>>558030585
To be honest, melee should be your last resort unless you're playing Bulwark or Assault.

For the ranged classes you will never need to melee at all save for Terminus enemies since gunstrikes do more damage against them far more than shooting them in the end, exceptions being the bolt carbine where you can magdump on their heads and watch their HPs go down a chunk.

>>558002629
>>557986923
>>557975536
>>557974697
>>557971539
>>557970356
Thanks for the answers guys. As for the block poweraxe I must be doing something wrong? I mean having to get 2 stacks can take some time and I am having faster results with the fencing one really.
With a fencing relic axe I get one parry > stance > heavy attack with the stance > gun strike with heroic heavy bolt pistol > usually the thing is primed for an execute or a grapple.
With the block axe I don't get the same amount of gunstrikes and I also always feel like I have to wait for that second parry stack or else I'll feel like I have wasted it.
You know what I mean? What am I missing there?

Just saying, when the hundred Tzaangors show up chipping away at your armor, you wish you had Fencing.

>>558031427
Blockniggers like to pretend they're hardcore but will always have half health in the first area because they already ate shit from a single Majoris or got mogged by Minoris

Then when the first big wave hits they die

>>558031371
>I mean having to get 2 stacks can take some time
not really, most attack chains have 2 parryables including the regular hormagaunt
yes the regular balanced axe flows better for grapple chain build (on regular absolute) however it means you've got fuck all boss damage
>>558031427
tzaangors are never a problem for block or fencing
3 dozen hormgaunts can sometimes be a problem but its also very easy to win back impetus with just about every class/weapon combo

>>558031561
It just kinda feels like shit to have to wait for 2 stacks while you either have a tactical or heavy (or even worse, both at the same time) melting everything with flamethrowers or tac flame + heavy plasma. Guess the class just maybe isn't for me, it's fun to play solo though when I can actually set my grapples up.

>>558031561
>or fencing
balanced*

>>558031371
just blocking once and then powerattacking will deal more damage to crowds in a shorter amount of time then a fencing axe ever will, if you are speccing into %meleedamage.
on a block axe you spec into powerwave damage & area, pick increased heavy attack and melee% perks (they are multiplicative)
just one stack of adrenalinesurge will increase this massively, since its also multiplicative.

on vanguard you don´t have worthwhile melee perks, but just baseline
>chargeattack enemy
>enemy attacks you once
>perfect block
>powerwave
>at 1/3rd life, Q
especially for the grappleexecute block power axe is supreme.

block imo is really awkward with tactical, since he has his 90s execute nuke that you usually want to skip until a moment comes up where you can blast multiple majoris/extremis with it, so you are often in the awkward position to either waste your explosion or your surge stacks on an already incapacitated enemy if you want ammo back. the fencing heroic knife will fix this issue for me, though i do dislike having clear best in slot heroics for some classes.

fencing or balanced could have 20 damage, 20 cleave and 20 speed and blockniggers will still stick to their useless melee weapon

>>558031903
you don't need to wait for two stacks but even still, again, you're rarely waiting that long

>>558032272
no, i intend to play tons of balanced once the patch drops. especially on techie that seems to be the best option since one prestige perk requires gunstrikes to enhance melee.
i also keep repeating that i play every defensive type, i just think that block is the best on most builds for now. again, since i need to keep repeating myself, i think that the buff to balanced weapons next patch will change a lot.

i do not like block. it feels like an afterthought (because it is)
i dislike the visual of the glowing fist. i dislike the 0 impact on the block itself. i dislike blocking minoris. i dislike the missing synergy with builds that have stuff happening on gunstrike.
its still objectively the best defensive type for most encounters, if you are good at the game.

i still can´t fight the vortex beast.
i can 1v1 every boss in the game, usually. i dont know what the fuck to do against this piece of shit at all. i get perfect dodges against the big slams pretty reliably but i dont know what the fuck to do if it goes into hippedy hoppedy spergmode in melee.

>>558033189
Vortex was peak tone deaf

>players want a shorter operation instead they got the longest operation in the game, even longer than FoA
>Vortex is the only map that hasn't been run with a weekly stratagem because even the devs know how hard it is to clear normally
>Vortex beast is a stupid boss fight, literally Soulslop tier garbage...from the same devs that made the Trygon fight kino

Reclamation was course correction and it's actually short too.

>>558033189
I haven't played that mission since it's release

>>558033353
reclamation instantly became my favorite map.
the primes are almost too easy, but they at least look really imposing and the executions are sweet. also the entire mission looks great. i just dislike not being able to groundpound with assault in so many places.

>>558033353
>Vortex is the hardest map in the game.
Okay I'm not crazy then. It's the only map I don't have cleared on Absolute and even Normal stratagem runs have a decent shot of wiping to vortex beast if someone eats shit to his extended melee combo. Guy's just a gigantic chaos spawn with all the issues that brings as well as a bunch of unfun phase changes. Shit sucks.

>>558033453
I wish we got to fight outside the ship as well somehow

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>>558033557
>Guy's just a gigantic chaos spawn with all the issues that brings as well as a bunch of unfun phase changes.
Is good. - D. Grigorenko, SM2 Game Director

>>558033557
>It's the only map I don't have cleared on Absolute
You need decent teammates and not randoms, I beat mine via codeposting from here.

We wiped a few times actually and that's already with a maxed prestige Tactical with grenades and Vanguard with heal on the team (I played a trad heal Bulwark).

>>558033557
even if you post a code and i join you we still need a reliable 3rd anon and not a random
heal vanguard is necessary and so is a tactical for the auspex
no assault, fuck off
sniper is useless on the map and boss fight since carbine spammers get rekt by lasers, even vanguards switch to instigator/occulus and the vortex beast moves so much even heroic bolt sniper users will just stand there for the entire fight barely shooting
that leaves the final slot to bulwark and heavy, shield rush wasn't a thing when vortex was first released

what really ticks me off about those low level leeches in hard strats that if they get downed, wich they do, they do not clear their wounds & dont take executes clearly set up for them.
they are just all around shit, no exceptions.

>>558035552
i want to disagree since assault came a long way over the past couple patches, but you are right.

>>558033557
My first clear of Absolute Vortex took 3 tries but after that it wasn't nearly as bad honestly. I started doing it for fun to see where all the helbrutes could spawn.

>>557970209
Thank you, I'll give it a shot.

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>>558062945
I thought you stopped playing.

>>558063191
For a little bit. Shitting on retards dying as the best class in the game never gets old.

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>>557970209
Really enjoying the Heroic power fist, thanks for the recommend!

>>558029583
Parrying is still better because you can one shot minoris and gain armor back from it.

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Augh

i missed the fact that they buffed the heroic heavy bolter to be fencing instead of balanced. holy shit its strong now

>>558082950
It came out the gate as fencing, anon

>stand behind pillar in drake arena in reliquary
>still take damage from hellfire
hahaha
lol
i love how new bugs just keep poping up in this dogshit fucking game even tho there hasnt been a patch in 4 fucking months

>>558083824
it was balanced with a increased window on the PTS and i wrote it off

>>558084236
Playing any chaos mission is just a waste of time. I just skip them now

>>558084236
yeah happened to me 2 times during that godawfull weekly. i was positively fuming.

>>558084236
What class were you?
I know that putting your shield up as Bulwark increases your hurtbox and is actually detrimental against the Heldrake in particular.

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I think my teammates were getting mad I was doing better than them.

>>558099050
what gun?

>>558100257
heavy plasma this time

is the damage on blocking a ranged attack with your shield worth it? the only time i would ever use it is verse the machine gun terminators. im using the 25% bonus damage to enemies in shock since i use the shock area on perfect parry

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the game loop is kino

>>558085159
100% of my last 20 quickplays have been chaos missions and I'm starting to think the system does it intentionally.

Is the new operation like Vox liberatis where you fight both factions?

>>558103836
Maybe, or its just because people leave chaos missions more often than the tyranid ones

What perks should I go for with the Volkite pistol?

>>558137593
do not

Is the oculus bolt carbine only on vanguard? I really dont like that they have weapons tied to a single class

the 100% damage increase vs the 25% damage increase from assaults perks seems to barely make a difference on assault.
>hit majoris with 25% damage increase, its incapped
>hit majoris with 100% damage increase, the radius is smaller but its also just incapped
gay

>>558140856
There's not many things that are actual breakpoint passives, most is just placebo bullshit to pad out the trees because the vatniks dont actually care about testing things like breakpoints themselves. They just wait until something looks good (or really, really REALLY bad) before they tweak it

i love it when the heroic powerfists gunstrike feature just stops working mid game

>>558137593
You're either going to be dumping heat onto everything around it or maximizing heat on one target, either way you're going to be wishing you had something else most of the time. I still like it though

>>558155521
Although that one time you use it on a cloud of spores will be a lot of fun

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Which should I go for next?

>>558164402
Emperor's Grace for extra safety or Exacting Focus to mag dump something to death after a gunstrike.

>>558164506
Roger, I'll go for the Exacting Focus as I like doing gun strikes (playing with the Bolt Carbine). As an aside, I do find it rather irritating that the camo cloak options tend to obscure your chapter markings, I'd like a big cloak but I also want people to know I'm a Raptor.

>Want to block someone
>His name doesn't show up in the recent players
Had a bulwark throw a melty because a lvl 4 assault didnt take a relic on reclamation then the bulwark went down and quit right before the boss (that I ended up soloing with the bot that replaced him since the assault newbie died).
Is there a way to block with just an username? Or if their profile is private they wont show up in recent players?

>>558167780
>Is there a way to block with just an username?
Through steam yes.

>>558171991
There are like 1000+ guys with his username sadly.

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why

>>558175013
carry me for free janny

>>558175013
Because screw you, that's why. Saber ain't gonna spend time creating filters that keep low level players (with underleveled weapons) away from higher difficulties. Why would anyone want to limit such freedom?

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>>558175013
>start match run ahead and aggro as much as possible
>run it all back to this retard and leave
I will not suffer anyone below level 19 or no prestige in hard strat.