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Thanquol soon, friends!

>>557785229
this thread is second but the image is better so it has my vote

>>557785229
>>557785109
I hope CA won't horribly fuck up the balancing so that the tigermen end up unusable in their own army.

when does tiger DLC come out?

>>557785585
>>557785481
holy kek is your stupid ass really still here? Unironically emphatically after 8 years of posting this NEVER FUCKING EVER.

People being too afraid to use either thread will be the death knell of this general.

I like dwarfa

>>557785229
Drawfag should modify the image so that the amazon is in Tony the Tiger's place. The empty space between the dog and the pygmie looks weird. But you'd need to find the source for the amazon picture.

>new tw news
>thread still dead

what killed us

why are there no skeleton ogres

>>557789558
The news was a total snooze. People wanted Neferata, not a furry.

>>557789932
Hell he's not even the cathayan furry people wanted.

Who's the most fun Welf LL?

>>557791393
The sisters are when you cheese missile units. Otherwise non are particularly fun to play.

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THE LEGEND WAS RIGHT! HE SINGLE-HANDEDLY MADE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY PIVOT! KNEEL RIGHT NOW!

>>557791948
bald

>>557791948
>kids
No wonder Legend died.

>>557791948
>HE SINGLE-HANDEDLY MADE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY PIVOT!
I don't get my retards pretend like this is impossible when yugioh master duel did exactly that

Creaminstaller stopped working for me a few months ago and I'm too lazy to learn how to creampie properly so now I've been buying dlcs
CA won

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Tigermen were originally just beastmen with funny faces. Like regular beastmen, they would maybe spare people on occasion if they were being worshiped and felt especially merciful that day.
Beastmen were originally created by warp energy slowly corrupting savage men and animals over the course of generations and merging them into beastmen. When the polar gates exploded, they sent giant chunks of warpstone flying across the world into the deepest reaches of the world's vast forests, these chunks, when not hunted down and destroyed by the civilized races of order, saw the origin points and highest concentrations of many of the world's beastmen populations.
Tigermen have been transitioned into something entirely different by GW.

>>557791119
It is a she you hecking chuddy
Why didnt they draw her boobs. I thought it was a male too

>>557791948
I never doubted him. I always had his back.

>>557794186
No you are paying for your retardation tax. Still works on my machine after I changed to the other cream unlocker that I don't remember the name

>>557794605
PENGORS

>>557794605
Wh1 and 2 are based on fantasy while 3 is the old world. Your old lore doesn't work anymore.

>>557786860
>We’re aiming for a late‑Spring release window for this Character Pack
https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/blogs/94-introducing-bhashiva-the-tiger-warriors
So probably end of May/ early June.

>>557794652
She uses body type 1

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>>557795717

Upcoming character packs:
>Mallobaude/Mousillon/Bretonnia
>Monkey King/Monkey Court/Cathay
>Thanquol (yes shut up Thanquolfag here's your bottle)/Grey Seers/Skaven
>Egrimm/The Cabal/Tzeentch
>Hobgobla Khan/The Great Horde/Chaos Dwafs

Honestly, Todbringer would've been absolutely perfect for something like this, but I'm hoping he's part of the Lord of the End Times LLs because the alternative is Valten and Valten SUCKS.

>>557792967
>all my millennial e-celeb bros right out of college 10 years ago are now becoming wifeguys
SAD!

>>557796679
Extremely.

>>557796146
end times will be the last one. When does that come out, 2027? Anyway merely allowing people to play as the hogblong khan with the hobgoblin roster+the extra "mentioned here" stuff would be cool but I wouldn't cound on it.
>arabyan knight suleiman never ever
>anakonda and her amazons never ever
>thorgard cromson and kraka drak never ever
Sadge
>various tilean and dog of war estalian guys never ever

>>557794605
>Tigermen were originally just beastmen with funny faces.
Weren't they notably non-chaotic, though?

>>557796776
I'm surprised millennials are still getting heemed (and legend's "career" is literally being a youtube channel, where does that go?) but still fall for the "you're 32, find a wife and make kids now" girldad meme. It's like my peers think they can magic up a boomer 1980s lifestyle if only they wish hard enough. Oh well.

>Trying Skaven out
>Do Queek
>Surrounded by Orks, Dwarves, Vampires, and Khorne
>I shouldn't have declared war on Dwarves early that they took one of my settlements that took some of my infantry buildings
>I'm surrounded by bigger armies
>I might need to go back to a previous save which I don't want to
I don't understand Clanrats.
>Are meat shields
>But do damage
>Warfire Throwers can't exactly hold the line with a bunch orks and goblins coming after them when I told them to shoot the clanrats

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Haven't played Troy and Pharaoh in awhile, why are sieges much better to do in those two games and more fun but in Warhammer it's a pain in my ass?

>>557797819
You were supposed to make a slave army for meatshield and an elite army for your LL newfag bro

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>>557798010
Speaking of Troy, how come infantry cards were just 3D models while the UO, map, etc were in the style of Greek pottery while in Pharaoh they have the Ancient Egypt art style for cards? And is there a reason to play Troy if I have Pharaoh?
Also, whats the art gonna look like for Medieval 3 unit cards?

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>>557796146
>>Thanquol (yes shut up Thanquolfag here's your bottle)/Grey Seers/Skaven
Pretty sure he is part of the 4 LL in the "Lords of the End Time" DLC

>>557797091
Brainrot caused by manipulating from their older family members who still believe that's the right way to live.

>>557797061
No, they were literally just ind beastmen.

>>557797819
Unless you go weapon teams, you gotta always bring a 2nd army of slave trash. Just set the 2nd army to AI control and it'll do its thing. You just micro around the big killers like your warpfire thrower to hit units in that absolute clusterfuck. Make sure ur 2nd army has a lot of slinger. Those fucker do incredible damage for what they are.

>>557798189
pharoah had actual work put into it.

>>557798189
>whats the art gonna look like for Medieval 3 unit cards
Probably the rome 2/atilla/thrones of britannia cards that everyone hated.

>>557798010
Sieges can be fun if you build the right army for it.

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>>557798010
Sunk cost fallacy
CA needed to create an entirely new siege system for Warhammer to account for all the bizarre and unique unit types and the ways those units should have interacted with siege buildings, but they didn't
Even things as basic as units like giant spiders being able to quickly climb walls without ladders was never added
Warhammer Fantasy sieges on tabletop are actually very fun, ideally CA would have faithfully ported all the Siege Battle content and various terrain rules from the different editions and White Dwarf to Total War but they never even tried to, they were too married to the existing Total War siege system which just doesn't account for, say, units that can phase through walls or swim through moats

Actually, if you want a decent look at what TWW sieges could have/should have been, look at the sieges in Age of Wonders 4

when's the last time you used siege towers in total war warhammer
when's the last time you actually could justify sitting around doing nothing for at least two turns to build a pair

>>557799850
Mm, yes, the AI running through walls, houses and blockers with their spectral cav to steal victory points sounds amazing. And when the rare chokepoint map happens the vamp coast just swims through the blocking water so fuck your chokepoint.
Would at least create a new cheese where we bait ghost units through the wall to slaughter em easily while the rest of the army is stuck behind the wall.

>>557799082
It was ambiguous because people in the old world were working off third hand stories of what Ind and Cathay were like.

>>557801269
They were humanoid creatures with bestial features and crude clothing and weapons and they regularly attacked human settlements and killed everyone living in them.
It wasn't ambiguous, they were just beastmen.

>>557801783
As creatures of chaos, beastmen have a great deal of variety in their physical form. "The tiger-men of Ind" sort of implies a uniformity that means they aren't really the same thing.

It's kind of like how if the Dragon Emperor is literally a dragon that means something weird is going on, because old world dragons don't take executive power in that way.

>>557802962
>beastmen have a great deal of variety in their physical form
>implies a uniformity
Like how old world beastmen are universally depicted as goat people? The tiger men were just beastmen that looked like tigers because that's just what they looked like in ind.
They look like beastmen, they act like beastmen, they live like beastmen, they were just beastmen.

>>557803783
Even the tabletop models had goats, horses, rams, cows and deer. Stuff like birds, wolves and cats were left to the art and lore.

>>557803783
>Like how old world beastmen are universally depicted as goat people?
They aren't, they're generally depicted as any kind of hooved herbivore mammal but even then there are times where they're mentioned as pretty much any animal except apex predators. Tigermen are inherently different just off that, let alone the fact that they spare villages and travelers semi-regularly instead of being pure peepeepoopoo to everyone but chaos worshipers
They're closer to fleshy dryads in what little is known about them before TW3 than they are to beastmen

I don't really see the problem with 'beastmen' of different regions having differing culture and behavior, did people really want them to act the same way as old world beastmen? That'd be boring as fuck

Legend literally won. Soiteks on notice.

>>557804769
They are, goat beastmen are described as the most common beastman in writing and goat beastmen are also pretty much the only one you ever see in art.
>let alone the fact that they spare villages and travelers semi-regularly
Because they are worshiped, they also regularly burn villages to the ground and kill everyone living in them at random, just like beastmen do.

>>557804965
>also regularly burn villages to the ground and kill everyone living in them
I can't think of a faction that doesn't do that at least sometimes, and quite a lot of them won't have reasons that are understandable by the people they are doing it to.

>>557804860
>I don't really see the problem with 'beastmen' of different regions having differing culture and behavior
The retcon makes tigermen specifically not beastmen, they're more like lizardmen now.
>did people really want them to act the same way as old world beastmen
The behavior of beastmen, being marauding savages that want to burn down civilization and sate their base desires, is inherent to them being products of chaos on a genetic level.
Their predisposition to chaos more often than not makes them more like flesh robots than people.

>>557805197
There is no reason to pretend this is anything other than a retcon to make what were previously clearly just beastmen into creatures that are explicitly not beastmen.

>>557804860
it would be inconsistent if they were literally just beastmen because new world beastmen, southlands beastmen, and arctic poles beastmen all act the same as old world beastmen, they just look different based off location while tigermen behavior was ambiguously left as kind of different.
>they burn villages to the ground
So do dryads and ogres and regular bandits and skaven and elves and pretty much every faction including some human ones; raiding villages and killing all the jeets inside is not a beastmen or even chaos specific behavior
GW probably at one point was just planning on making them a beastmeme variant and put no other thought into them beyond the natives of Ind being pagan dipshits but there are also other lore blurbs that imply other differences from the average beastmen. I could accept it either way but if somebody wanted them to just be a different kind of beastmen then they should've put their asses into an army book with a model line as an alternative to gors and described them dancing around bonfires and idols in the night instead of leaving it open for GW to do what they have done with them.

>>557805907
to me it just seems like theres people who have interesting ideas then there's people who decide to ignore those ideas and apply blanket lore over everything, that's how we ended up with a less interesting Skeggi

>>557805631
You latched on to the dumbest possible interpretation of a bit of ambiguous world building

>>557806232
>look like beastmen
>act like beastmen
>live like beastmen
>called beastmen regularly
It's the obvious interpretation that tigermen were beastmen, as it's effectively stated outright. It was a far more outlandish assumption to think they weren't beastmen.

Arent the monkeys supposed to be beast men too but act entirely different?

They should add Amazons and put them under the Beastmen umbrella.

>>557806430
It should embarrass you that GW writing is too subtle and nuanced for you

>>557805907
>dancing around bonfires and idols in the night
It would've been cooler if they were indiana jones style thuggee cultists, rakshasa who pull the still beating hearts out of people above pits of lava, who are social and capable of talking to people just to lure them into a false sense of security so they can knife them in the back while traveling along the road. Less brutish and headstrong than the cloven hoofed retards, more about stalking individual prey for leagues. They're more liked by chaos lords as a result but less useful as cannon fodder

>>557806849
It wasn't nuanced, they were just beastmen that looked like tigers.

they should just fucking make the mongol game
why are they so fucking stupid

>>557806726
The descriptions records indicated they were actual monkey people instead of beastmen.

>monkey people

>crow-men

>tiger men

>dragon children

Why is Grand Cathay so full of furries?

>>557807625
return to caveman
wear animal skin and yell at moon

Should I recruit marauders of tzeentch or just the blue horrors?

>>557807625
It’s a magical place.
>>557794605
It’s a retcon for sure. At least in the case of tigermen there were instances where even old lore said they’re as likely to destroy a village as they’re to protect it from attackers. Something goatmen from the old world would never do.

>>557808987
Marauder frontline with pink horror support. I don't think blues are worth it now that there is a different frontline option.

I think it's partly just due to the more limited roster but Bretonnia feels more like the 'regular human' faction than The Empire which has all sorts of get out of jail cards and more fantastical stuff in it's arsenal

>>557809859
Always has been

>>557809859
Bretonnia was always the normal human faction. The Empire is the protagonist faction along with the High Elves and Cathay (now that they are properly in the setting)

>>557809859
the big scary units for bretonnia are only female humans, dudes on horses, or dudes on winged horses. Empire's big scary units are essentially the same, except the tank, which hides the humans from sight
that does seem like barely a difference but I guess that means brets do display more humanity

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>Nurgle was a Pharaoh enjoyer all along
woah...

>>557803254
>>557805470
>>557807812
so the people in the other thread saying tigermen was breaking the lore and never hinted at before were full of shit?

Still no news on the following reworks?
>sieges
>public order/corruption
>bretonnia
The beta for siege was a big nothingburger?

>>557789558
I got bored of TWW subseries halfway through TWW2 desu, and it's been less and less exciting ever since. Nothing CA could really do about it to win me over.

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>>557809859
Bretonnia is 4chan's Human faction of choice
Empire is reddit's Human faction of choice

>>557812139
Those are all coming after geomantic web rework dont worry.

>>557814369
Trusting the Great Plan?

>>557814369
Is that before or after the end times DLC?

>>557811462
i dont know what they were saying, but theyre not nice, theyre more like shepherds keeping their flock of buckbroken indians alive

Bretonnia sissies out in force today

>>557807625
>continent ruled by low-key tzeentch cult
I dunno.

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>>557789558
warhammer is played out over the last 10 years and has become an increasingly braindead power fantasy simulator
40kek is next and peoples trust in ca being able to pull anything off is at an appropriate minimum especially since these absolute retards plan on putting it on consoles
medieval is 5+ years away

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>>557789558
>majority of the thread is too retarded to even put out the new patch's meme-potential because of autistic amerigroid culture war obsessions, rather fading into irrelevancy
Same reason why they are still virgin, btw.

>>557818552
I expect 40k to be at least as entertaining as TWWH and I expect CA to never produce another good historical title again.

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>>557789558
>not 40k
>not Medieval 3
>not Nagash
>not even Yin-Yin
>just fart out a small blogpost about an ugly tigerman with a vagina
yeah real exciting news there bud, definitely enough material for another 750 posts of discussion

>>557819884
the howling banshee doomstacks are probably going to be crazy

>>557820763
The mods for howling banshees are probably going to be crazy

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>>557820763
allied recruitment of howling banshees is probably going to be crazy

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YinYin

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>>557821919
>TOTAL DAO

>>557821919
As expected of the paypig general

>>557821919
>end cathay already

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>>557821919
:D

total war is bad because so many people believe that they are entitled to play on the highest difficulty, never lose a battle, and never even lose a single unit in any battle, and get very mad at ca if any of that becomes hard to do

>>557799850
>Even things as basic as units like giant spiders being able to quickly climb walls without ladders was never added
Who cares?
Of all the things to complain about with sieges this is way down the list.

>>557822978
No one actually plays on Legendary, get back to my other tab hdg.

>>557822978
>entitled to
what does this have to do with skill issues

>>557823008
nta but I firmly disagree
ghosts climbing ladders is another outrage

>>557822978
Reverse of this is kinda true also. This is a 10 years old game there are a lot of veterans who just instinctively cheese the AI on both campaign and battle and then complain game is too easy.

I don't know why some people act like this DLC makes Monkeys less likely, if anything its the opposite. Didn't they literally say the Monkey King was coming anyway, or heavily imply it? I would say this DLC indicates confidence in the series's future to the point where they can have the Tigers as their own thing separate from MK(and Li Dao) who will come as a later DLC*. Plus from a lore perspective, we've known for a while that Monkeymen are the second most populous race in Grand Cathay(though I am pretty sure its still 90% Cathayan humans). While Tigermen have absolutely been part of Grand Cathay since the beginning in the lore with references to the Tiger Court and a(the?) Village of the Tigermen from day one, it'd be weird to get them and not the MK+Monkeymen represented. I am pretty confident in their arrival unless LotET does absolute dogshit.


*Assuming they are not one of the four sides of LotET, which would be stupid so I hope its not the case.

the furryification of total war

>>557824264
>I don't know why some people act like this DLC makes Monkeys less likely
because they're only going to make so many cathayan DLC lords and they're guaranteed at least another dragon

>>557813036
The poll conducted back in 2020-2023 showed that Bretonnia was and still 4chan faction.

>>557824264
Monkeyman is guaranteed chinabux. They would have to be complete morons not to add him to the game.
But of course we already know that CA is run by complete morons which is why they threw away quadrillions of dollars on Hyenas

>>557825120
Yes but the MK has been hinted at since literally before release. He has always been mentioned with regards to Cathay. And considering we now have relatively more minor hints like Tigermen blossoming into a full DLC, I can't see the far more major thread of the Monkey King not being pulled on.
Personally if there was a lord to be worried about, it'd be Yin-Yin. She has less mentions in game than Li Dao(though IIRC shes mentioned a bit more in TOW for what that's worth). I think MK is a shoe-in, with Li Dao as a likely tagalong. Unsure on Yin-Yin.
My personal ideal would be either Li Dao and MK together, then Yin-Yin as either FLC or another character pack with some nautically themed Cathayans. But I think a MK DLC with Li Dao as FLC may be more likely, Yin-Yin then IDK. This is all assuming Mung does not come from behind with the steel chair to throw another wrench into the mix.

>>557824264
my ideal monkey king is a neutral faction that can antagonize or help cathay entirely on his own whims so he still can come you ask me, a literal sun wukong is always a seller

>>557809859
That's because Bretonnia never got any of it's crazy shit since GW gave it to the empire instead. I lost all my warhammer pics but there's really old art of Bretonnians on demigryphs and landships.

I miss the mod where Azag's bois had explosive arrows

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>kinda want to play a campaign with Franz
>would have to pay 15 eurobucks in current economy for one LL DLC
Hmmmh.

>>557826258
bro your creamapi?

>>557825863
I've always felt some sort of Cathay cooperation meter would be a great feature for the MK.
I imagine it'd be pro vs anti Cathay, where being pro Cathay gets you better relations and harmony effects and ensures you have full access to the Cathay roster.
Meanwhile, Anti-Cathay makes Cathayan factions antagonistic(not that any of them fucking survive any more in the Cathay bowl) and buffs your Monkey warrior units, at the cost of losing access to elite Cathayan units like Celestial Dragon Guard, Sentinels, and Longma riders(maybe also the Nan-Gau gun units). Also makes harmony less impactful in battle and on campaign, heck maybe removes it entirely.

Why my fucking archers refuse to shoot while the enemy LL is busy raping my frontline?

>>557826949
they dont want to hit your own troops

>>557827196
why the ai archers are allowed to shoot but not mine

is medieval going to be stylised like 2 was or will they try to go for the more realistic Rome 2 route

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>>557827196
they have an elevated position and do nothing

>>557827354
Rome 2 since it'll be a Rome 2 reskin anyway.

>>557826620
I think they should also get some additional units for going full anti Cathay, maybe rebels/brigands of some sort

>>557827948
You have Fire at Will turned off and haven't targeted any enemies.

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>>557827354
everything we've seen so far indicates a more realistic style

>>557829242
>Order of the Hatchet
Nice, they even brought some entertainment for the opposing forces if they lose.

Man I wish Warhammer 3 had the baseline character customization that TW:40K will have.
We just have a meh implementation for Daemon Prince, wish we had a proper version for all factions where you can kit out lords and heroes and change their appearance

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>>557821126

Please God, if you're there, force the bastards to remake the Conquistador DLC. Please.
Like that will be the only Medieval 3 DLC out of the 10,000 they'll inevitably release I'll buy.

>>557830015
They most likely will, like they did the campaign packs with Rome 2 and Attila and different dates for 3K
Would be cool if they made it so you could launch a New World conquistador expedition in main campaign and visit the Americas and even play as native factions tho

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>>557829953
clown is cuter.

>>557830184
I read a biography of Hernan Cortes and I'm having a conquistador phase. I wanna see Tenochtitlan and shit.

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>when elves ally recruit gunpowder units

>>557831076
What is that face even supposed to convey?

>>557831371
He's probably thinking how they'll surprise the Dooki with rapid fire gunpowder

>>557831371
He's going to fuck that gun

>>557831371
>holy shit this is way better than bolt throwers

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>>557819198
>Bhashiva can't have boobs
>Male Tigermen have pectorals

Cat owner anons, show a picture of tigermen to your cat and report their reaction

How strong does Khalida's archers get fully buffed? And does the same buffs carry over to Ushabti and Bone-giants? Been looking over some range focused factions and I am considering trying her after giving Elspeth another spin.

I really like Elspheth's units. But I do find that her campaign feels very railroaded, and more often than not I am forced to spend an annoying amount of time fighting the Orks in the mountains

>>557835027
>How strong does Khalida's archers get fully buffed?
Not much. They just get some little AP and poison. And i'm pretty sure that "penetration" buff is a complete fucking lie -or it needs some very specific condition to work.

>>557829242
Looks awful already.
CA should just stick to fantasy at this point.

>>557826436
>crime
You wouldn't download a legendary lord

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>>557835017
>report their reaction

>Kurt Helborg character pack
>Grand Master generic Lord
>Reiksguard Foot Knights (Sword/Shield, Greatswords and Halberd variants)
>Ludwig Schwarzhelm as FLC LH for Empire
Easy money desu

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>>557829242
>women
Mild concern
>halbert
>halbert+ shield
>12th or 13th century
I see they're going full fantasy after all.

>>557824264
The only problem about Monkey King is the number of LL for Cathay.
We already have 4:
>Miao Ying
>Zhao Ming
>Yuan Bo
>Bhashiva
And there are 3 (known) potential LL left:
>Li Dao
>Yin-Yin
>Monkey King
Not impossible (Helves and Lizardmen have 7 LL already) but it's a lot.
Also Tigermen were only part of Ind lore not Cathay before TWW3 / TOW.

>>557839073
Shit DLC, where the Wizard Lords ?

>>557835017
she started rubbing herself up against my phone then sat on my bed and licked her own crotch

>>557839073
Reiksguard knights don't have a halberd version

It's sword+board+pistol, handgunners, greatswords

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>>557839159
There's also the lost sister you look for in realms of chaos.
Imho Li Dao or Yin Yin are getting shafted. Probably Li Dao since his entire thing is fighting snakemen and naggas. Yet he was entirely absent from Tides of Torment which added an evil snake woman into northern Khuresh.

>>557839106
The Order of the Hatchet was an honourific order of women in Spain that existed for the women who fought during the the recqonquista. Women often ended up the sole defenders of their towns and villagers while their men went off to war.
So they did exist and they may have been competent as far as desperate defenders go.
However, the order was only around until the last original member died.
To put that in comparison Spain had dozens of ordo's that were around for centuries after the reconquista that had full military wings within them.
They were never troops under a banner and never fought in pitched battles between armies.

On one hand there is historical precedent, and this might act as a magnet to stop their pseudo bullshit of mixed gender armies YOU JUST KNOW they are frothing at the mouth to do.
On the other they are a minor footnote with no battlefield feats or any other worth mentioning. They simply organised and defended themselves instead of just being auto raped and pillaged - the bare minimum. They should have no colours or banners and their should be no named persons/agents because there were not any of note.

Unfortunately we all know they will be on par with most other infantry will not have a random collection of gear (other than one having an axe or a sword or a mace) and only 1 in 100 having any armour.

>Halberds at all in that time period
That is more egregious to me. You can argue that (you) as the overall monarch etc decided to spend some money to arm and equip the female units because (you) are retarded and have no concept of finances - that is on the player. That they will likely be competent melee combatants is obvious pandering but,
>Halberds in that time period
May as well outfit your knights with an M4 and your horses with gas masks.

NGL. Warhammer 3 feels like fucking shit to play after having played loads of 3k recently. I don't mind fantasy, but the gameplay literally got worse, and the AI has never been more retarded. It's reaching a point where the game can barely be considered in a playable state

>>557840315
Also wielding a halbert and a shield. Something that's physically impossible. Even in warhammer the only people capable of doing so are lizardmen, Satanic Vikings or the strongest Chinamen.

>>557839434
End Times DLC, Valtens bringing them

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>>557819198
Some edit some cocks in that pic

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>>557839159
I don't recall all of it but there are still some Cathayan units besides monkey men mentioned in Throne of Chaos and at random places in iirc 8th Edition and one of the WoC army books. There were warrior monks, wild hillmen and one-horned ogres serving Cathay. If CA/GW feel like sticking to these ideas then they fit better with Li Dao then Yin Yin imho. None of these strike me as something you'd take on an expedition but rather as ad hoc formations you'd use to fend off invaders.
>>557841064
Here you go senpai.

>>557799393
I imagine you’re only including Attila in there because of the Age of Charlemagne stained-glass style cards. Because Vanilla Attila just has the 3d models on them.

>>557799393
>rome 2
Those absolutely sucked though. They didn't even look like actual Greek pottery. Nor were they even readable.
Empire Divided had kino unit cards though.
>atilla
Those sucked ass as they were just generic screenshots. Charlemagne fixed that with its new unit cards.
>thrones of britannia
Never played that one.

>>557839159
I feel not getting all 5 dragons is more likely than not getting Monkey King. Would hate to not have everyone, but I definitely feel if there had to be a choice, it'd be MK over Yin-Yin, for variety.

>>557840246
True, but Li Dao is also something of a rival with the MK, so coming alongside them definitely seems reasonable. Likely as FLC, though I've long kind of wanted a Cathay double DLC.
And besides, Dechala the snek lady in Khuresh can still set up nicely for Li Dao to arrive later on, Tides of Torment was not a Cathay DLC.

>>557841831
An anon last thread said that Celestial Dragon Monks were mentioned by a developer in the past, but I have no source for that. I always envisioned the Wild Hillmen as being like the Nanman when it comes to WH3, I think that'd be cool to include and also fit Li Dao.
One horned Ogres I don't expect. We already have actual Ogres for Cathay, and they've repeatedly mentioned the Leering Devils which seem to be Cathayan maneater ogres.

>>557839445
What did she mean by this?

>>557839159
>>Li Dao
>>Yin-Yin
>>Monkey King
don't forget Nung the Not-So-Nice

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>>557843939
Dont mention him, the antiLegend discord trannies will seethe

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>>557841831

>>557840246
She looks hot. Means she's not gonna get in. Chinese Furry Party, led by Chairman Xi the Pooh, won't allow it.

>>557785229
WE WILL GET NAGAS NEXT. THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT.

>>557846361
>Doom of Asshair

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>>557841831

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Squash gits

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>>557842267
>Never played that one.

>>557785229
>AI sending units to a middle of nowhere forest area because i hid units there
They can never make me like you CA

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>>557841831

>bald legend status
Gapped and raped

>>557854510
It's the logical conclusion of knowing what units you have but not knowing where they all are.

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It is a fun army in underway battles.

>>557856094
Can I get an invite to your Discord?

>Tyrion campaign
>Turns into fucking slog because EVERY OTHER ORDER FACTION EXCEPT BELEGAR WHO HATES ME got wiped out by turn 50
>I even fucking beat Masque into 1 settlement and gave entire north lustria to the Toad AND HE STILL GOT WIPED OUT BY THEM
>Somehow Golgfag conquered entire Empire
This fucking sucks, I was supposed to be the world enemy number one with Sword of Khaine and nemesis crown, but instead ive become the only bastion of Order left in the world.

>>557856280
>they always get the right hiding spot
hmm

>>557859235
For RP reasons, you should give zero fucks about what happens outside of Ulthuan.

>>557859825
They don't. They go randomly to forest areas. If there's only one then they'll obviously find you quickly.

>>557859830
It wouldnt matter that much. If Helfs didnt rely so hard on trade. I could get like 5k per trade partner, and I have no one left to trade. Bleeding 10k every turn and I need every army.

>>557859830
Also how am I supposed to wipe out the stuntie fucks and Druchi scum if I never leave the donut!

>>557859973
WRONGGGGGG WRONG WRONG WRONG

Will Slambo be a LL or a LH? WoC or Nurgle? These are the pertinent questions about the game rn.

>>557855183
Any differences between old and nu Cathay lore can ironically be blamed on Chinese Whispers.

>>557860298
>WRO-ONG DO IT AGAIN!
>WRO-ONG DO IT AGAIN!

Holy fucking shit early game empire units sucks so fucking bad. Literally anything just melts the fuck out of them. Are Halberdiers any better? I recall Great-swords being shit units compared to the usual T3

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>>557854510
>>557859825
>>557860298
I guess nobody has felt like testing it and recording the AI's searching behavior, so here you go.
>>557862050
Greatswords are genuinely the best you'll get out of empire infantry, on account of halberdiers having no shields and fuckall armor wise. At least greatswords will shred chaff.
You really need to rely on ranged to kill anything, only greatswords, their high tier cavalry and war machines can hold for an extended period.

>>557826258
8 LL actually

Do Ogres not count as Order? Or just neutral?

>>557865905
They're as close as you get to true neutral. Pure mercenaries.

>>557865905
They're unaligned like Tomb Kings. Ignore AoS saying Ogres are "destruction" and ignore TOW saying Kangs are "evil"

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what the fuck

>>557865905
Ogres are enough that they don't really need to build much of a civilization.
If chaos fucked the world they could rise it out in the Mountains of Mourn pretty easily.

>>557826258
>>557865502
You mean buying TWW1 ?

I wish CA would formally introduce a form of unit limits that can be toggled on and off. The mod is excellent and makes the game far more enjoyable by avoiding the doomstack issue that the AI (and the player) has from the late mid-game onwards that makes the game boring. However, it is a bit janky and would be best to be formally integrated into the game.

>>557870289
I would prefer some kinda mechanic to encourage it like per-unit supply lines, hard caps just seems so brutal to me. but then again, >implying CA can implement a sophisticated solution lol.

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Hey anons, design your dream character pack(s) following this pack's lineup composition from pic rel. I guess you could swap out a generic lord for a hero if faction has no generic lords missing and vice versa.

>>557872849
Bretonnia
Bohemond the Beastslayer
Sergeant at arms (hero)
Battle friar (hero)
Truffle hounds (anti large dog unit)
Lost sons (Aspiring champion style elite unit with teleport mounted)
Bow squires (better archers loook different than regular squires and regular squires get some of their cosmetics in update)

Free LH Bertrand the brigand and a free unit of Brigand archers (vanguard and poison smaller unit size than bow squires)

I've been having an ok time with my chorf game but I feel like I didn't make the most of it somewhat. I just ended up fielding a ton of elite troops in armies and I didn't really use too much variety. Next time I play I think I'm gonna try to use mostly fodder and to make use of things I didn't use this time like war machines or melee chorf infantry (my infernalguys are essentually just glorified lineholders)

>>557870528
It would have to be hard caps for the AI at least because they don't care about economic penalties and aren't designed to play economically competently anyway.

On that note, how do you guys do it? Using mostly melee armies and such? I often see the AI with really dumb comps (I've posted some here, like 17 incarnate elementals of beasts or like 12 war sleds or other stupid bullshit) and I'm not sure how well "run my 20 speed guy at them" is going to do

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>>557872849
Bretonnia:
Bohemond Beastslayer LL
Reynard the Hunter LH
Foot Knights
Foot Squires (Shields)

Bertrand the Brigand LL
Guis le Gros + Hugo le Petit LHs
Herrimault
Reliquary Wagon


I really want Amalric of Gaudaron, Calard of Garamont, and the Hermit Knight of Malmont as LHs.
Elisse Duchaard, Odo d'Outremer, Suliman le Saracen, Jules le Jongleur and Tristan le Troubadour could be LHs too, but I wouldn't be so disappointed if we don't get them.

imo there definitely needs to be some kind of hero to buff peasants, but that's more likely to be a thing that comes in a FLC.

-----

Ogres:
Ghark Ironskin LL
Braugh Slavelord LH
Don't know what other stuff he could have.

>>557873614
Depends on the faction really. Chorf melee is tough as balls but doesn't really kill very well. Needs monsters and magic support to do the actual killing. You can just grind it out but you'll at least need a bit of variety like extra bull centaurs to help counter the AI's doomstacking bullshit. You can invest a lot into the forge to really buff up your infantry too

>>557875758
After that post I remembered that one unit cap mod and I think I'll try that
I'm really tired of retardspam that forces me to camp corners desu

Will you redeem the Bhashiva Character Pack?

>>557872849
OGRES
Ghark Ironskin LL
OC donut steel Gnoblar LH
Gnoblar Head Honcho Lord
Gnoblar honcho Hero
Gnoblar Manbiters
Gnoblar Lucky Gits
Blood-Gnoblars

Braugh Slavelord FLC LH

CHORFS
Ghorth the Cruel LL
Rykarth the Unbreakable LH
Bull Centaur Lord
Hobgoblin Khan Hero
Chaos Siege Giant
Harridans
Chaos Dwarf Bazookas

The Black Dwarf FLC LH

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>>557873614
If I'm fighting a lot of ranged that I can't just rush down I usually make a lot of use of forests where their ranged units become effectively useless.
Otherwise it's just a pretty simple frontal assault.

>>557877354
>Ghark DLC
>hardest of the hard ogres. Rides a mech rhinox.
>leads the hardest ogres known for riding rhinoxen. Merc themselves out as the heaviest cav on earth.
>it’s a pure Gnoblar dlc

I’d still buy it for Ghark, but that’s me throwing away $. But if that’s the DLC where they introduce mounts for ogres, even better.

It’d be cool if Ghark played as a Chorf convoy- every 3 turns he moves along the route. But in those turns you muck around wherever the convoy has stopped. So you get a teleportation mechanic that’s on rails that you sign on for a receiver merc fee. In between gigs you’re back in the tribe lands bullying as you please.

Maybe throw in the chorf resource system, as the provider too. So you provide them muscle and resources, maybe to the Zharr-Naggrund sentinel faction, and pump the AI up to indirectly manage their empire ala Sims/Majesty.

>>557878774
Well I chose Gnoblars since those were old units they actually had in older editions and WD suplements. I guess you could swap out red gnoblars for an OC heavy armor Ogre unit.

>>557872849
What does they even mean by "3x unique units (Dual Wielder; Hybrid, Anti-Large)" ?
Is that a new case of Black Orcs / Black Orcs (shield) being 2 different units ?

Been crutching on ranged units too much

>>557879728
People have said they don't list variants like this so I guess those are just three different units that do different things

>>557879524
Yeah, I recall the gnoblar list.

What would be funny is if gnoblar armies spawned as uncontrollable extra armies around your LL, doing supplementary raiding & sacking. But when you’re off convoy these armies still linger raiding and sacking your own settlements. So you gotta get off you fat ogre ass and exterminate the buggers from time to time (great bastion meter, but for gnoblar infestation?). Would play into the history of the Ironskin tribe.

Is there ever a reason to raid instead of just taking settlements
I almost never sack, too

>>557880252
When you're not gonna reach something so you raid for extra cash or slaves/food (if Skaven/DE/Chorfs)

Which chosen are the best ones? Which should I use on Archaon

>>557883198
slaanesh has the most broken mark out of all the gods (immune to psychology + like movespeed or some shit + physical resistance)

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>Jeet pandering
Im going to get it because Im a good pay piggie but I've never been less excited for new race (right after Cathay which is Chinese pandering)

>>557862816
>Greatswords are genuinely the best you'll get out of empire infantry
technically its Eldred's Guard but good luck making a frontline out of them for every gun army you bring

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>>557872849
>1x Legendary Lord
Mengil Manhide
>1x Lord
Hag Queen
>1x Hero
Beastmaster
>3x Unique Units
Slave Warriors
Khaine's Steel Giant
Magma Dragon

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>>557886746
>Eldred's Guard
they were my niggas in wh2 Gelt campaigns. held the early game line like nobody's business for the Hounds and Searing Doom to do work.

What's the hardest vanilla Rome 2 campaign? I'm about to finish Kush on Legendary and it was one of the easiest campaigns to snowball in

>>557890863
probably the Ardiaei
they're so dogshit as a faction

>>557890779
70 armor and silver shields is no joke with 42 MD

>>557885142
What kind of pandering would make anon happy? Nothing?

>>557893504
German pandering (more Empire DLC)

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Cathay deserves at least as many DLCs as Skaven. Chinese pandering is the right thing to do and you won't change my mind.
>get out of my MIND

why doesn't ammo replenish like health

>>557895048
landlubber problem.

We have Lore of Life so why not create a Lore of Logistics?

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>>557893282
>70 armor and
80 armor in TWW2 Golden Order, bucko
with technology giving another +15 armor starting on turn 12... then Gelt getting another +10 armor for his army at level 13... that's 105 armor for basically nothing.
damn I kinda wanna play WH2 now.

>>557895048
That would make ranged units pretty fucking awful. Probably unusable even. If your main army is 50% ranged and you fifht 1-2 battles every turn, you will quickly run out and when attacked during the end turn always be at 0.
Meanwhile it doesn't affect the AI at all cause you always kill their armies.

>>557895421
>what is Master Engineer?

>>557895459
Ranged units are overpowered as it is though.

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>>557872849
For Bretonia?
>LL
Sir Kang of the bretonian lordships, layer of maidens with his biggus dickus
>L
Jamals of the lean lake
>H
welfare queens of the roudtable
>3 units
Welfare chasers
Lady of the lake gangbangers
knights on armored maidens of athel loren

>>557895735
Overpowered in a singleplayer game. C'mon man. You can stack gutter runner instead of weapon teams if you want to. You can bring archers instead of sisters.. nobody is stopping you from using weaker units or melee armies.

>>557896241
Doesn't matter if it's a singleplayer game, most units should be ranged support at most, not serious damage dealers, just like the old games.
Shogun 2 super archers were a mistake.

>>557896715
Then we just have 19vs19 melee blobs again cause if the archer can't hold it's own we don't recruit them. Ever had to slog through 19vs19 chaos warriors? Shit is a total snoozefest

>>557894556
I only care when its DLC where I'm only playing something related to Cathay, so yes I will be playing tigermen and yes I will mostly use tigermen, same applies for monkey king

>>557896897
>Then we just have 19vs19 melee blobs again cause if the archer can't hold it's own we don't recruit them
You just suggested intentionally recruiting sub optimal units on purpose.

>>557894556
I genuinely can’t find a faction more boring than Cathay. Kairos at least has the most challenging start of any ll, tomb kings are slow but they generally have chaotic starting locations, and dwarves at least have good voice lines.

>>557897297
I will stack dragon guard and balloons into the tiger.
>>557897439
Ofc, but that doesn't affect me. If someone wants to run shitty ranged units he can. If someone wants the game to change where all ranged units are ass, I am affected and tell u to eat a dick. I want my awesome ranged units.

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>>557897943
I like torturing liggers with Juan Bro in Lustria. They also have the best waifus, animations, monsters, lords and cav.
Yes I will defend longma till death.
Longma ballz

>>557897984
I probably won't, I'm just gonna treat the faction as an actual tigermen faction with cathay aux to cover what I don't depending on what the units are like, if the tigermen actually have variants I might not field any cathay infantry at all, will also use a mod to make the lord have a unique garrison because I know CA's gonna fuck it up like they did drycha and ostankya

>>557897984
>If someone wants the game to change where all ranged units are ass
Strawman.
Your arguments are lazy and incoherent.

>>557898179
Didn't they say tigers only get one or two units and they are melee skirmishers? You'll have a baaad time. That's gonna be a tier 1-2 melee stack like rangers.
>>557898278
Is very simple. Archers should be strong and u a tard for thinking otherwise but if u want em to be trash u can have that.

>>557898674
>Didn't they say tigers only get one or two units
No
1x Legendary Lord (Anti-Infantry)
1x Lord (Anti-Large)
1x Hero (Spellcaster)
3x Unique Units (Dual Wielder, Hybrid, Anti-Large)
Also included: Unique Campaign Feature, Final Battle, Quest Battle etc.


But also, the leak if I recall said the Tigermen also have variants, the question is if they still have them or not.


That being said I don't see myself having a hard time, you have more options than trying to run around with only Sartosa units and I used to do that in WH2

Is there a reason the game sometimes just makes mods not work on one start up but then the next they work fine?

>>557897943
They're incredibly out of place is my problem.
Their stats don't really make sense for a human faction for a lot of their units and their aesthetic clashes heavily, most of their current lore also feels completely disconnected from the setting and their unit roster in general is incredibly eclectic.
They feel like some chinaman's mod faction rather than a genuine warhammer faction, but I suppose that makes sense for what is effectively an entirely new faction written this decade that GW pulled out of their ass mashed into a game that is almost entirely built on lore that is at least ten years old at this point.
It would be like if you put nusquats into dawn of war 2, it's lazy corporate slop sitting right next to content from an age where the people making it still had a genuine love of warhammer to some degree.

>>557898674
>Archers should be strong
As a blanket statement, no.

>>557899105
Ah, they have a hybrid unit. Think it's all skirmishers tho.. i remember they said they the tigers aren't line holders and ranged gameplay like cathay does.
We'll see how they do. I don't expect much tho since they surely want us to build mostly tiger armies which means the tigers gotta be T1-2 and maybe one at T3.

>>557899340
You're probably referring to
Battle Gameplay:


Our goal for the Tiger Warriors was to bring something genuinely complimentary to Grand Cathay’s roster - units that don’t just fill a gap but open up an entirely new way to play the race. Cathay has always leaned toward disciplined lines and deliberate formations, so giving them a force built around agility, stalking, and sudden ambushes instantly changes the feel of their battlefield toolkit. The Tiger Warriors slip into that role perfectly: they’re fast, they hit hard when they choose the right moment, and they let Cathayan players pull off flanks and surprise strikes like the faction has never really had access to before. From a visual standpoint, they’re also some of the coolest characters and units we’ve ever worked on and unlike anything that’s come before in the series.


In practice it probably means yes you will probably have enough units to run around with mostly or only Tigers if its supposed to be a new way to play Cathay

>>557899501
They probably expect us to bring monsters tho. Maybe some cav. Tigers on horses sounds weird, heh.

>>557899779
You probably won't need cav, but I was gonna bring Cathay's monster units anyways, maybe not the sentinel since it wouldn't fit aesthetically in my eyes

>>557899779
Just have them ride giant tigers like in the elder scrolls.

>>557900026
I dunno if the hybrid units are gonna be yang but if they aren't you'll definitely be forced to bring the yang lion monster or the moon bird. Wouldn't wanna waste +MD and MA
>>557900121
Does Warhammer have tiger mounta?

>>557900406
Not right now, but easily conjured out of the ether like nutigermen were.

>>557900406
I just hope the tigermen sound cool and have good models

>>557901383
I hope they make meow and purr and talk about eating pajeets

>>557901810
pantera don't purr, they chuff

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>>557904535
You pantera negra...
Just say panther. Or I guess Tiger.. cause we get tigers.

>>557904653
The genus.
None of the big cats in panthera purr.

>>557905426
I did not know, but, CA doesn't know that.

>>557904653
pantera as in the genus which covers all the official big cats as opposed to felinae or leoparta which is small cats
big cats cannot purr

>>557872849
What about packs that have multiple LHs or even 2 LLs? Factions like Dark Elves, Wood Elves, Bretonnia have lots of named characters missing, but their rosters are complete assuming CA won't add TOW or older edition stuff. Wood Elves are just missing shadowdancer normal hero out of the bunch

toe'ul wah: is it billshite?

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The siege rework, whatever happened there...

>buffs that affect "Saurus units" only include infantry and not temple guard and saurus heroes and lords
>even though there is saurus cavalry and temple guard are saurus
>and some buffs instead specifically state "Saurus infantry" so that it isn't just fucking lying
With such a poor grasp of english, you'd think they weren't a british company based in britain.

>>557911956
Saarus warriors lol

>>557856412
wish LOS wasn't so scuffed

>>557899779
Nigga tigers sprint fast, they don't need horses, just use the cat animation from kysliv.

how is Imrik's campaign nowadays? I presume dragons just get bogged down and poked to death

Help
I am playing multi campaign, I am Wulfheart, friend is Skulltaker and each time he rushes me I can't do anything because all my units compared to his are squishy af AND slower.
How can I beat him or at least outlive him?

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>>557915614
That matchup is unwinnable, fren. Skulltaker could take on 3 players at once.
Your best chance is sneak your army out over the ocean and make the empire great again. But that will be an endless fucking campaign. In the late game you can throw artillery stacks at him to win but it's gonna be hard. Especially when he starts building 19hero armies.

>>557916001
>That matchup is unwinnable, fren. Skulltaker could take on 3 players at once.
Fugg DDD:

>>557916931
Should have figured that out before you started. I mean.. he shits out 1-2 free armies each turn. Has an army full of bloodletter which can maul greatswords easily.
And u.. well u got a few random heroes and archers.. heroes, agains the one thing Skulltaker is known for.. taking skulls of heroes.

>>557915614
The empire in campaign relies entirely on the AI being tactically inept to a comical degree.
Your friend is never going to lose to you unless he's legally retarded.

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>>557908990
WHATEVER HAPPENED HERE?!?!

>>557915614
>Multiplayer campaign
>your friend is playing against you
>friend

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>>557916001
>Skulltaker could take on 3 players at once.
Throat GOAT

Would beastmen rape tigermen?

>>557908990
coming soon after the bretonnia rework

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>>557921102

>>557916001
>take on three players at once
In a fight, right?

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>>557922476

>>557908990
Would have the war started eventually even if Little Carnine didn't mention the brother/worded it more respectfully?

>>557785229
TOMMENBROS, WE'RE ALL GONNA MAKE IT!

Tzeentch gets the best voiceover. They're all so sassy and fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L58NGV3VuM

>>557922648
Kurisutina...

>>557923243
probably, the shah of iran was working himself into it every spare moment he got and was blatantly disrespecting tony/pretty much everyone's authority for a while, even before johnny sack went in the can

>>557920473
Because its more fun than playing against brain dead AI

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>>557921785
Any hole's a goal

>>557924523
Playing a Warhammer 2 lord against a Warhammer 3 faction is not a good time unless your Warhammer 3 foe agrees to nerf himself.

mechanics question
Charge bonus and bonus vs infantry/large adds weapon damage using the unit's already existing AP ratio. but is that only checking the base AP ratio, or does it include modifiers?

basically, if I give my Dragon Princes a Razor Standard, does that increase the amount of AP damage granted by their charge bonus? or no?

>>557925640
It only cares about base stats

>>557925640
If it scaled off bonuses aren't there some pretty retarded ways to add a lot of AP damage? So suddenly your bonus against infantry could let you cut an end game unit in half with a level one Lord or Hero?

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>>557911956
pretty sure effects that say "Units" never affect lords or heroes.

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>>557925640
>adds
You are thinking too far.
Doesn't matterr if a unit has 1 or 1million AP or MA. It simply adds a number. Why are you trying to think of multipliers?
>adds 15
So if Skarbrand has 200MA it adds 15.
If X has 10 MA, it adds 15.

>>557926651
Reading comprehension is hard huh

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Who are Bud Spencer and Terence Hill of Total War?

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>>557926781
None needed. It adds X. Simple as.

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I can’t wait for Bretonia to be remade so it can include this.

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>>557926781
I understand your retardation.
>but I buffed my damage on my unit, does it add more now?
No fucktard. It adds X.
If you buff your unit from 50damage to 50000damge doesn't matter. It adds X.
There is no multiplier. It's an add.

>>557926989
Read his question again, real slow this time. You might figure out what he asked about.

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>>557785229
So, I missed the latest news.
We have TIGRS
But not Ind itself, of course, too many charlamagnes for that.

>>557927062
Man you are trying to argue with an attentionwhoring literal tranny, you aren't winning this

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>>557927062
I know he wants to know the
>what if I drive my AP higher than non AP compared to unbuffed units
Doesn't matter.

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>>557926651
lol illiterate troon

>>557926576
Yet heroes and lords are units, and the wording still isn't consistent.

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>>557926080
I don't know if there's anything THAT crazy you would be able to do if the mechanic worked that way. I mean, seeing as there are a lot of crazy things you can already do in TWW.
>>557926013
That's what I was leaning toward. But I haven't found any way to check it in-game or test it neatly. I'll just take your word for it, for now.
I had been thinking Dragon Princes would be really powerful charging into armored units with the Razor Standard and an Invocation of Eldrazor (Imrik's thing that gives them 3 extra AP damage). But if increasing AP doesn't actually increase your AP ratio then I guess it doesn't matter very much for the charge. Instead it only really matters for sustained melee. So Banner of Swiftness would probably be a lot better on them, since it would let them more easily cycle charge. Much to think about.

>>557927506
You just proved yourself wrong. They aren't units. They are lords and heroes.

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>>557927948
Uhhh, retard? Have you tried reading? Heroes and lords are units.

>>557925640
First guess would be no, that it goes off the "base" WS line and banners don't count as that like red skill line might but that's complete supposition

>watch a EU5 streamer who claims to pwn the game
>he has that same deadeyed stare, extreme ingame stinginess and aversion to fun and proclivity to pause the game and go into rants about game mechanics for 30 minutes on end as a certain infamous TW youtuber
the taint of Chaos...be wary, brothers...

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>>557911956
Further, small lords and heroes are impacted by bonus vs infantry, making them infantry, therefore all buffs that claim to blanket buff infantry should also affect applicable lords and heroes.

>>557928389
Nice try, but no, they aren't units. A unit can't go outside an army or initiate a battle. A unit can't assassinate, a unit can't gain levels.

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>>557930015
Wrong.
Heroes and lords are units.
>but units can't-
They can, because heroes and lords are units.