*inspires jealousy*Improved Ilsa character guide:https://youtu.be/jXEkdOURD5w [Embed]Patch noteshttps://rising.granbluefantasy.jp/en/news/detail/?id=ulceuzl6t>/gbvsg/ Tournament VODshttps://rentry.co/du3onotehttps://www.youtube.com/@grumblebumble69/--->(Un)official /gbvsg/ PC lobbyTo join, turn Crossplay off in System settings so that you're able to join Platform lobbies.Then you can join the (un)Official /gbvsg/ PC lobby at Japan Platform Lobby 1. Image version of joining instructions https://imgur.com/bCHqtDLPlaystation players cannot join the lobby, use a room if needed instead.>(un)Official /gbvsg/ RoomsUsually has "gbvsg" as password (check thread). f2players cannot join so ask people to join the lobby instead.>Gawdlike character guides (secret techniques!) for Yuel, Vikala, Narmaya, Galleon and Wilnas, by yours truly Anon!https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjG9OYMNRivtA_KWepE_aFmhGOJc2zETR&si=MqZagR-IO8ue8gxQ>This week's F2P rotationGran, Vas, Belial, Caggot>Steam pagehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2157560/Granblue_Fantasy_Versus_Rising/>Websitehttps://rising.granbluefantasy.jp/en/>Resources:https://www.dustloop.com/w/GBVSR>Twitter hashtagshttps://x.com/YamicornDMV/status/1709222479061745711>Match replayshttps://replaytheater.app/?game=gbvs>Graphic Enhancements for PChttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3117157142>Enable sound while the game runs in the backgroundhttps://steamcommunity.com/app/2157560/discussions/0/4041481833167877002/>Remove Figure Mode censorship/black voidhttps://gamebanana.com/mods/484409Last Bread: >>557727425
DSG.
>>557857701dark syde gil not welcome here
>>557857646donkey envy
Ilsa killed the game
mr pilsa
its your lucky dayjoin the tournamententer the kokhttp://start.gg/kanblueits tonight. this is your chance to defeat yoru while hes down.
>>557857957This is a rat
>>557857701I know replying isn't the correct course because I'm feeding the attention you so desperately crave but I have to ask do you post this shit in every fighting game general or just here and in 2xkog
>>557858694two of your lobbymates are in the tournament. you can cause so much bracket chaos. please i need this do nothing esports job.
>>557858694>>557859176I think you love KOK a little too much...
>>557859032>2xkog?I post that here because I like this game but the devs are really, REALLY determined to kill it.
>>557859307its perfectly normal to have 2960 images of an anime character on your computer.
>>557859879nigga u gay
>>557858707This is a cat!
*hops over one of your random pokes*
>>557860847easy 2h from me kinghold it
>>557861402metera needs a skl bar
KILL ZONERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>557861680>KILL 80% OF THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can they debuff Ferry’s f.L already
>>557862697They did. The problem is it's still special cancellable
>>557861402>wakeup 5M
>>557862763ok might reinstall
>>557858694>>557859176I haven't played enough to where I could win but I'll join anywayI can help someone practice vs. Ilsa soon in the meantime
>>557862921What I'm saying is Cygays gave it a slap on the wrist. She's still the de facto helmet character
total corn destruction
>>557862885You just aren't big brain enough to play 2B
>>557857701I am the og dead slop game poster and I like that this stuck.Heehee
>>557857646Played Sieg the first time with a friend and the delayed special is so good. Keeps catching people offguard
>>557864629He's massively overpowered now.
>>557865012no he's an very honest and balanced boomer
>>557864629I saw it.
>>557865273b-but it was a private lobby..
>>557863063but if they nerfed the frames on it shes fightable now. before there was simply no meaningful interaction.
And Sieg is STILL a worse Beatrix
saw this guy in EU
>>557865341dummy
>>557865923
what are you supposed to say to girls other than "I LIKE YOUR BOOBS AND BUTT"
>Ferry's f.L is buffed>instantly goes from bottom 3 to top 3It's clear that Rising Ferry lives and dies on this one move. How do you nerf it without killing the character?Normal mode: you can't kill the character on purpose
>>557865493IlsaSoCute
>>557866267"i like your feet"
>>557866267you could start with hi and hello
>>557866490>Hag failure at finding loveGod she just became even more perfect
>>557866267I am attracted to exotic voices
GGs Ilsanon.Galleon in Ilsa went worse than I thought, I really gotta use those rocks well to even get a chance to move across the screen.
GGs GalleonbroI swear her cgrabs are unreactable
>>557825802
I just realized I accidently doxxed my username some threads ago. Now every anon knows my identity.
>>557866809She's 28 anon, she's not a hag, she's your peer
i luv sheep
>>557867105IlsaSoCute
>>557866920That mu gotta be so unbelievably dogshit for galleon
>>557867889>she's your peer
I'm 26
>>557868621You're GM rightYou can react to Bubs divekick rightYou can react to Galleon's cgrabs rightYou're better than the uncles playing the game right
>>557866659You cant just say hi to a girl walking past you thats harassment
>>557858694I love kok
>>557868501Circle is harder to build now, so I had to pick my turns wisely, and she outranged me at least 5:1 times with a better movement speed and longer faster normals and she had full screen control with drone, beam, missile, etc. Anytime I would try and get a midscreen circle setup and give up my turn, Ilsa f.M punishes it easily.Abysmal matchup for Galleon.
>>557869562I believe it
>>557869109yesnonono
>>557866267Jewish dating apps and the sexual liberation of women thanks to Zionist feminism has allowed women to all go for gigachad. Take away womens’ rights or jerk it to your rising main.
>>557870060Well at least you have sex daily
Metera is the hero that protects us from the true cancer. We should all worship her
>>557870112wyell... if my right hand counts...
>>557870241Well at least you earn 150k yearly
>>557869562I hate how you can't make level 4s on knockdown anymore. They should just remove level 1 entirely
Jiita thighs
>>557871207my captain needs me to apply hawaiian tropic all over her
>>557871768death to this creature
>>557871879better not leave her waiting
>>557869109Reaction checks in fighting games are not about your age, it's about exposure to the same animations over and over and then you become conditioned to react to them properly. You can be 40 and still react to, say, Galleon grabs. Not because you have sharp reflexes, but because at some point in the stagger pressure it becomes obvious they will go for it if they can't open you up with close jab plus frame fuckery. Same with Ladiva or any grabby bitch. Same with a Belial slowly walking back only to jumpscare you with 5H or 66L spam, or if he's feeling very daring he'll do blue fireball. Before you say LE COPE LE UNC COPE, keep in mind you can SEE this shit literally happen in every fighting game ever where the old school player that is used to their game series, let's say something like street fighter, will reliably react to stuff despite being 40 years old or almost 40. When you play the same franchise for 30+ years you're gonna react to the same moves that stuck around after so long, it's part of the experience. Some young zoomies and even younger TO THIS DAY still can't react to Soriz full screen blue armor punch when it's arguably the first babby mode knowledge check. But once you see a soriz full screen, with meter, you know to expect it already. This game specifically is VERY repetitive so it's actually way easier to react to stuff here than older fighting games because hurtboxes are bigger and attacks aren't instant or semi-instant.
Did you seriously make that to reply to my sarcastic post
Sorn for season 3
>>557873032instead of siete they should put that bald grandpa harvin that’s in the same faction as nier. Jiyuna would lose his shit for days
>>557873251He's not old anymore
>>557873471that’s his BP skin
>>557872343something went wrong
>>557873251All he does is sleeping, while his wife Temperance did all the fight
>>557872838Proof?
LOBBY GAMERS?!
>>557875763
good luck bwos
Whichever KOKlover takes out Yoru gets a cookie
none of you bums are touching gawdsensei
yoru didn't check in again
good luck in kok bros>>557877359>>557877814bodied by gbvsg yet again
i got killed by vikala blockstring spam sigh
>>557879198we hate rats here
nier on the telly
>>557879198she got nerfed
NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY NERF ZOOEY
>>557858694>>557859176I think Kokkoro is pretty...
NERF ZOOEYNERF ZOOEYNERF ZOOEYNERF ZOOEYNERF ZOOEYFUCK DRAGONS
Mr. Posmos you just had to block...
Blue niia... why...
he did it for entertainmentyou wouldnt understand
nier players are sooooooooooooooooooo noobie
throw of the decade
im stuck btw
>>557875860chat is this real?
ooooooh I've been looking for some Versusia gameplay
>>557880630no you haven't you stinky liar
>>557880721how could you call me stinky bro
>>557880807sorry bro I didn't mean it
can we wish for zooey players to die together
Simply having to hear the word "matcherino" over and over again in between matches is enough for me to mute every online tournament
can we wish for zoi players to be happy together
>>557881323i muted when i heard the commentary
well I got obliterated in my first tournament, I took a game since it was a mirror but then he switched and I stood no chance, suddenly I remember how hard fighting games really are to learn
>>557881714thanks for entering bwo
>>557881714you have really solid fundies, just gotta learn some of the weird matchup interactions and you'll do great
>>557881216even me?
I wish I didn't have performance anxiety. I participate with you guys and even that's a leap from what I'm too comfortable with. The anonymity helps.
we had a second anon join?
>>557882579I get you bro, despite playing since launch I was too afraid to join the lobby until July 2024, then it took me a couple of months to join the thread tournament and until late on last year whenever I was on screen I would sweat like a pig and would tremble like a newborn fawn, If I joined onlines I would shit myself, probably
>>557882456no stupid
>>557882917I am quite fond of this horse
my hero is still alive
>>557883002
>>557883704fun idea xerom
I like Ferry the donkey
>>557881714
>>557883002>>557882917whorse
>>557882579i wish i could sign up on start.gg
>>557884998
>>557885401Her chest is NOT that big
>>557882917>>557883002>>557883186I HATE zoomiesBut I like this horse
>>557885563It should be
no one here is thinking that hard
>>557885606>But I like this zumafixed that for you
>>557885930is what I would say if I had no taste
>>557885930No, her chest is fine how it is.
>>557886250No, no, that Anon is on to something.Every horse girl should be AT LEAST Daiwa Scarlet-tierYes, ALL of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXEkdOURD5wAnon uploaded his Ilsa video, don't know if he has shared it here yet
horse girls are better flat
>>557886507>>557886643All girls are better flat or AT MOST medium
>>557886879based and truthpilled
>>557886879wrong and stinkpilled
>>557887426Look at the SIZE of those KON-KONs...
>>557886879t.
>>557887426Even yool is better with a more modest chest
>>557887426Go back to play your coomer unc slop like taimanin
If you are going to spam horseshit at least spam one of the 4~ good ones
>>557887857>zoomie lingo>abhorrently retarded, faggot postEvery single time. I hate this faggot generation so goddamn much
I hate how uma niggers can spam their off-topic garbage because of a minor crossover that added a few lobby avatars. Banish every last one of them to >>>/mlp/TO can stay
>>557887857ah yesgranblue fantasythe game famous for being anti-coomer goon-free nofap de-sexed and not having any big tits in it at allyes, you are correct, I should not be playing games from this franchise
>>557888195youre pathetic virgin andira vikala retard
>>557888207Whenever granblue does fanservice it's in a more refined, nuanced way and it never takes the center stage
Right.
I love refined, nuanced fanservice that never takes the center stage.
>>557888618whorse
>>557888195you could report offtopic but probably jannies are weeb/mlp/tards themselves
For me its hypersex designs that arent overly naked or doing anything actually lewd, like they just have absolutely enormous bazongas and nobody ever even acknowlwdges it or pays it any attention
It is not off topic to post characters in the game or characters that we want to see added to the game
>>557888891Based Galleon bro
>>557888968BiggerAlso Galleon is very lewd
>>557889207Yeah I was only thinking about her design and not how she behaves
>>557888942>or characters that we want to see added to the gamehere is hahahahaS-SAY HELLO TO-ahah here it comes HERE'S YOUR- wait I got ahead of myselfahahahehwkwkwkSAY HELLO TO YOUR SEASON 3 GUEST CHARACTERSAY HELLO TO YOUR GUESTTHE OFFTOPIC CHARACTER IS ON TOPIC NOWIT'S FUNNY...EVERY TIME!!!!!!SAY HELLO!!!!!!!!! WKWKWKWKWK xDDD
Based Faa-san destroyer of troonwains
Galleons Galleons
Here, you dumbass rodents.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT4NIWQ5ZN4Go learn instead of being preyed on in ranked by characters that should be your prey instead.
>>557889510RATBROS WOULD NEVER, EVER LAB
ggs vira and sheep anons. 1/4 ggs to metera.
holy assblasted autism
>>557888029>>557886879>>557886507>>557886250>>557885563>>557883186thank you. i love you. horses brighten my day.
>>557889657>>557889657ggs>>557889657ggssssssssssssssssssssssssss
They're just cute girls, it's really not that deep.
I can't play Ferry because she has no crossup and I am dumb
>>557890074very good image.
>>557888391Deport them to Fur Affinity>>557888837I'm well aware of that which is why I report for pony to piss them off
>>557890078They are, and any sane, heterosexual man appreciates them literally just for that.But they trigger this one faggot something FIERCE for some reason.
I dont like ferry the donkey and her animal friends
>>557890074holy kek
>>557890350Which is why I will never stop postingCUTEGIRLS
>>557890157You don't need crossups. You have high/low mix with Geegee. Even a caveman can set Geegee on HKD then run up j.L.
>>557890570I need to breed this horse
Why doesn't Dragalia ever play offline?
no one is saying they're not cutepeople are saying they're not from granblue fantasy which is what this thread is about. specifically versus, but because we source our characters from just gbf, posting gbf non-versus characters is unavoidable and only slightly off topichorse idol racers are not on topic
>>557890608A competent Ferry player does not, but I do
>>557889474I get hit by those legs
>>557890723There aren't any offline NA events until Combo BreakerI miss Final Round
>>557890774uma paid for my gameuma paid for season 3uma can stay
>>557866292just let her rock but make her tournament banned and banned in ranked matches
Anyways I think I like the foxes more than any of the Umas
>>557891447we have a literally playable character in 2B and no one's in here posting about nier automata or random characters from it. I'll leave it at "automata fans can behave themselves better than uma fans"
>>557891416cag rub?
>>557891591>we have a literally playable character in 2B and no one's in here posting about nier automata or random characters from it.Because it's a franchise and a character that only nigger lovers who love watching their family get mauled by them enjoy.
MAD ABOUT HORSES
>>557891709it’s like the guys on sadpanda who sperg in the comments because it doesn’t fit their definition of the tag. pure autism.
Gabagoon winning against Ilsurgent...
>>557891591Speak for yourself, 9s is my hubby
>/tg/ to contain 40k>/jp/ to contain touhou>/mlp/ to contain /mlp/>/vt/ to contain vtumorswhere the FUCK is /uma/ so that it too can not properly contain the new spillover franchise beloved by only the most braindead "ohh but what if thing also had other thing I like in it?!" superfans
>>557892153none of these boards contain any of those things except /mlp/
>>557892153retard, uma is not even that big in fact global is already dying off
>>557892153only vt and mlp are containment zones... uma are anime girls so they are okay.
>>557892153>/vt/ to contain vtumorsdo you feel safe?
>>557866267Meet the girl in some frame of reference that demonstrates your competence at something other than dark triad seduction or cheekbone quality, preferably with repeated exposure (i.e. she gets to see you multiple times without having to commit to a date). Like going to your local Granblue Fantasy Versus: Rising casuals/tournament and displaying competence at playing 2B.
This mu is so ass for Bubs. You can't divekick because Ilsa's entire moveset AAs
>>557892812i believe you for once...
>>557892812>entire moveset AAscharacters like that fuckin fry my baconwhat do you fuckin mean this bitch vira can just press any button she wants and it anti-airswhat do you mean she skips dealing with an entire layer of mental stack in neutral as a result
>>557892812>This MU is ass for BubzGood
>>557892153The only containment boards are /pol/, /mlp/ and /trash/Your seethe about Touhou, Vtubers and Warhammer is kinda weird.
>>557893051people dont even remember /vp/ when they pretend containment boards exist
>>557893156that means it's actually doing its job
>>557867505And you are?
bros nobody is dodging lasers...
>>557893365>Bubs rolls beam>gets hit anyway because the charged version is active for so longFuck this character lmao
>>557868621/gbvsg/'s youngest poster
>>557893365>17ftheyre as fast as galleon's cgrabs
>"IAGO NO! YOU CAN'T PLAY FERRY. YOU'LL TANK THE VIEWERSHIP!"
>>557893156pokemon was really only a problem on /v/. It wasn't a sitewide fix like the others
>>557893491Bro thought he made a point here
>>557893775? theyre hard to react and quite fast. and can also be charged to fuck you over
>>557893462nah, I'm 25 (26 in a month)
>>557893871>25ok unc
>>557893839Bro did make a point I'm just drunk and can't read
>>557891416Really wish I could be Cag and get fucked
>>557894058I'd reply to this post but I don't want to get banned right before my weekend
>charged seism crumples instead of knocking upso an earthquake shockwave makes you kneel instead of blasting you upthis shit is so ass
>>557894885retarf... people fall down during earthquakes they don't get blasted upwards...
Gabagoon...
holy gabagool...
>>557894143Thanks for your good intentions anyways anon
laser might be a tad too good
valiant effort, gaba
god bless 66l and back dash slop
lolis
just chase their backdash bro the stage is so tiny
>>557895870why did you post thisim hungry nowi wnat a burgerand kolulu
how often do you think kasausagi masturbates to ferry
>>557896023>sara sex deletednyo...>>557896086based
>>557896395based off his winrate, 7-9 times a day
I saw Kas 2-0 Tororo this morning
>>557896594Wait I missed Sara sexFUCK
>>557896936it wasn't literal sara sex
https://x.com/zawapush/status/2024194236988739679how is this ok
>>557897287congratulations to gamera for winning AWT
>>557897409can anila defeat the sieg horde?
>>557897287The related tweets has Eustace doing anti-air normal hit 2H into 6 214LHs ending at the other corner.DSG bro
>>557897287close enoughhello lowain wheel 2
>>557897958she's not using that on defense
>>557897709im sure your meme will stick any minute now if you keep spamming it
Are there any girls in Granblue who titmog Galleon? Do any of them have a realistic chance of making it in?
>>557898184she's not even the fattest titty her groupand yes
GGs Viwa, I much enjoyed playing against you, you punish a lot of my bad autopilot habits.
>>557861402Metera's 5U > M is just a better 66L that you can barely stop even if you know that she's going to do it.
I play staggered 66Ls, in attack mode! your move, Yugi...
>>557898184
>>557898306Wilnas... lower that hand...
>>557898306GGs! I had way too much fun jumping around everywhere.
I'm picking up mom
>>557898935becareful she looks pretty heavy
>>557898975rude
66l into 66l236h after a frametrap
>>557900019I can't unsee "that" now...
>>557900019nier isn't real, she can't hurt you, you don't have to pretend you can get hard for nier
>>557900019is niias daki torn at her foot?
You ever scroll through your Granblue image folder, find something and ask yourself, why the hell did I make this?
>>557900908most of the time I wonder how the hell I am going to sort all this shit
>>557901010My folder is pretty small at only 4750 images and I am just never going to sort it
>>557900908i remember making a post about mr peanut and now im lost as to why you made that too
>>557900908Nope
>>557902446what did she mean by this?
>>557900908https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/541216474/#541272453
>>557902446
>>557903827
We collectively hate this character but can we agree that she is hot?
Let me get this straight, they made dormouse faster but reduced the range to compensate.Meanwhile, Ilsa's laser is even faster and goes full screen even though she's a rushdown character?
>>557905115:)
>>557905115Laser kind of has shit damage though
>hmm I could try Ferry some more tonightEhhh>or I could lose my ass off with VikalaSmash that PLAY button
>>557900908You can tell I even stopped halfway through and went>It's not worth the bit
Let me get this straight, they made character A do C.But then character B gets to do D?
>>557905412I liked this one
>>557905115I'm pretty sure they intended dormouse to still go full screen but the different framedata somehow messed with the range and they left it like that because devs are retarded.U skill slowdown already had the same effect in the past.
>>557905115Ilsa unironically needs it
>>557905936are you sure 236U doesn't just move Anila's hurtbox a bit backwards making it whiff?
>>557906731nah, blueslop warps the game in a lot of ways. it can eat your inputs too
GGs Virabro. Ilsa's j.H really does everything
>>557906871>warps the game in a lot of waystrue>it can eat your inputs toofalseagain. at first glance it looks like it makes dormouse shorter but looking closer it could be just 236u retracting anila's hurtbox
>>557906925She needs it.
>>557907004you're just wrong
So is Ilsa just definitive top tier, possibly top 5, or are people still learning the matchup?
Ilsa actually killed S rank
>>557907234I've learned the matchup: just guess lol
Vira players realizing a 6 frame character can't punish 214L is a decidedly unpleasant moment.
The hitbox should go further because of the gun's angle
Nerf Cagliostro
>>557907234Ilsa is one of those characters who has the resume for a top tier character, but probably won't be in the current environment where characters like Lowain, Ferry, Metera, Beatrix, and Vaseraga exist. All five of these characters have strong answers to Ilsa's infamous beam spam while also punishing her gameplan. If she isn't a high level menace now, she absolutely will be in the future when they are finally nerfed.That being said, I do think Ilsa, along with Siegfried, will still see play at AWT Finals next month.
>jump someone from fullscreen and they don't AA>so I jump over their head and get 2H mashed while sticking my foot through their back and explodeDo you think the people who made this game are proud of what they've done
>>557908147>BeatrixBe more subtle next time
>>557907156if ultimate skills ate inputs the game would be straight up unplayable. mugen kusoge tier. you simply do not know what you're talking about
>>557906731It actually extends her hurtbox a bit so it should be easier to hit her.
>>557908389Let's hear that top 5, Ilsa aside.
>>557907234pussy sniffaalso damn her ears look huge here
>>557908639this woman is a complete embarrassment
>>557907004It clearly went shorter retard
>>557908794Current Siegfried is stronger than Beatrix
>>557908923Current Siegfried doesn't have riding free, therefore he is a weaker character by default.
God I love losing matches because I can't reach my dash button and get counterhit by a dash button doing it manually, really makes all these years of playing this slop genre feel worth it.
>>557908854Every woman respects Metera and strives to be more like her.
>>557909102Agreed
I wish Versusia used her tail more often
>>557909452yeah on me
The fucking audacity to change random shit like Uno because they don't want people to use one move in the same patch they add a character that spams FIYA every second and only uses 5 moves ever including normal
>>557909961the balance team is absolutely retarded
>>557909018On top of this by the way when I play Vikala I get SO FUCKING MANY accidental backdashes trying to block then simple input Dormouse, jesus fuck
Total victory! Nyah-nyah, take that, you skimpy opponent!
Fighting game devs are the kind of people to think if your set record is LWW you should be ranked higher than WLW
>>557911465
DSG
wasn’t funny the first time
maybe not, but it is true
You guys having fun spamming lasers with Ilsa?
>>557910874what's the difference
I WANT TO STREAMBOAR A TOURNAMENT
pilsa killed the game
Dafuq is DSG supposed to mean? DeadState Game?
if you won by zoning out your opponent then you really didn't win
>>557886507Nah
I pilot Versusia so bad I feel like a slobbering retard after every match
Your honest thoughts on this character and xhir's players?
>blockstring someone in the corner for 10 seconds>do about a jab worth of chip>get blue slopped twice>die
>>557911606I still don't know what that is supposed to say.
>>557912707I like Cog anonsThe character is lame and gay
>>557912783this so muchyou would think that a trap character would have the barest amount of sauce but she doesnt have any
>>557912560You call playing a fighting game piloting so you are in fact a blithering retard.
>>557913057
>>557912723Dick Sucking Galleon
>>557912707>caggots on twitter and discordKILL>caggots on /gbvsg/MURDER>caggots in the lobbyWould take a bullet for them in Mr. President. I have more respect for those two than anyone else here.
>>557913283bwo...
I love You
>>557913741I love you, too!
>>557913772
Gay gay, go away.
Straight characters like Kou for season 3
Right were there other leaks for S3?Still hoping for Aliza or Silva
>>557915096>AlizaZero chance.>SilvaI get Meg vibes from her, so zero chance but then it happens.
I can see an Aliza fan Kyoani'ng Cygays.
>top 10000 in ranked wins is only 385>200 wins is top 13030>100 wins is 15805There is 8231 Masters which is funny because S++5 ends at 9332 and starts at 10510
>>557915231>Aliza fanThey all died of old age
>>557915096>Right were there other leaks for S3?No, besides Id, the best we can do is speculate or "rosterfag" as the kids like to call it.
So yeah there's more people in Master than all S ranks combined (actually all the way down to A3), which sounds both super healthy for matchmaking and really justifies putting them in S+ on alts
yaia when
>>557915231Aliza has a boyfriend so it's gonna be annoying seeing all the cuck posts and cuck talk everywhere, and knowing cyge they'll have him in her winpose and stuff if she does make it in.
I laser spammed my way to master...
>>557916435gawdlike
>>557915165Siete and Aliza placed well in the polls. They have the best shot at getting into a hypothetical third season.
>>557916337Ironically, the one who was canonically cucked was Aliza herself. Michael had Aliza's boytoy buried deep within her bust.
I'm SOO glad you waited a year for Ilsa and her gameplay is boring op laser spam. So nice knowing you feel awful and betrayed. You deserve it! Ha-ha. Kaka!
>>557916604Why is Nier so mean...
>>557916337I cucked Aliza in that canon doujin.
Verdict on the Stan Metera matchup?
Ratwife
>>557917306putting kids in your rat wife
>tags: unborthing
>>557917371>spelling mistake
>>557917371your fate is over, retard
how the fuck do people play leverless? I keep getting accidental backdashes on this thing trying to walk out of pressure. also playing on these things feels gay as hell in general.
>>557918390Your HRT dosage sister
>>557918390>also playing on these things feels gay as hell in general.i hope you are a former pad player and not stick
>>557918512i played on both depending on the game. stick is the heterosexual way though.
>>557918626Yeah, I'm sure holding tight on a phallic object and rocking it back and forth is very heterosexual.
>>557918390You need to be dickless to play leverless
>Yeah I enjoy playing on leverless.>*sticktranny goes into a frenzied melty*
I read that as "sicktranny".
>>557918390You just kinda get used to it. It makes motions way easier for me over stick, and I've always hated playing on pad.
557918747557918930somebody’s feefees got hurt
>>557918987potato potato
>>557919115That's racist
uhhhh
anila needs giga buffs
>>557919939i think shes big enough already
anila needs my dickimmediatelyit's a matter of life or death
>>557920902>mfw
>>557920902very mean of him
sun status?
>>557920996hes dead to me
>>557921078there's so many images of crossdressing Gran...
https://x.com/gbvs_official/status/2024318270489202768
Newfag here. How was vanilla Versus like? I didn't even know Rising was a new version until yesterday.
>>557921261The top 3 of my dreams.
>>557920996Fertile
>>557920996
>>557921261simply orrible
>>557921304it’s was better until they introduced more universal mechanics
>>557921304no one knows because no one played it joking aside it was probably like Rising, fun but with it's own share of issues. BC is annoying, but I'll take it over Overdrive
>>557921304
>>557921304early on few characters, bad balance really dry gameplay. you had nothing to spend meter on besides SBA/SSBAcooldowns played a bigger role which was nicelater on bad system mechanics, better balance then it just kinda farted and died as they shifted to work on Rising
>>557921304Imagine Rising but you are actually playing with your buttons as your main tools for neutral and not random ultimates or 66LImagine everyone having a throwbait with no disparitiesNo mash to tech throwsNo bcGenerally no corner to cornerLowain bottom 5etc
>>557921793that enchanted lands hit like a fucking truck what the hell
>>557921963didn't play it but i'm under the impression health pools were much smaller. dunno how damage was comparatively though.
>>557921963Metera had 9500 HP in Versus. IIRC the baseline was like 10k.
>>557921952what's it like being transgender
>>557922132What's your argument?
>>557922186that you're transgender hows nezu doing
>>557922236I accept your concession as you do not have any arguments to invalidate my post and I do no not intend to further reply to a ragebaiter.
>>557922028>>557922115GBVS Enchanted Lands deals 1200 damage GBVS Metera has 9500 health GBVSR Enchanted Lands deals 1500 damage GBVSR Metera has 15000 health
Fox love!
>>557922470fox hate
>>557921261jesus
>>557922470Fox love but only if she lets me hold her bushy tail
>>557921793what the fuck was there no Raging Strike or grab against blocks?
>>557921793sovl... jk this shit was ass trash
>>557923406it is not any different from what we do with 66LI guess vanilla looked even more retarded but whatever
>>557922470fox indifference
we used to have a fox poster who wanted you in the game...
>>557923556only difference is that kat webm shit was patched in a month or two and 66L still lives the happily ever after for over 2 years
>>557923927what happened to him
>>557924181the t-shirts arent going to sell themselves
>>557924958where are the belial balls and bubs butt shirts
My life keeps falling apart
>>557926570i believe we told you not to have sex with that prostitute
>>557926738NTA but I'm taking a vacation next month to fuck whores in thailand for two weeks
>>557926738>>557926982what if you get an STD?
>>557927059That's what condoms are for Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising unless the girl looks like Yuel in which case I'm rawdogging that
>>557926570Let's tumble together.>>557926663Everyone is crazy about draph tits, but the most sublime Narmaya images are about her behind.
>>557927059If I don't get tested then I don't have it!Simple as!
>>557927637You're just an ass man.
>>557927751As a proud heterosexual: yes.
>>557927919Ok, but you should appreciate Nee-chang's entire body.
>>557921261>Wilnas top 3 at FaustingsThat's not...totally inaccurate I guess.
>>557921261>Wilnas>2 stars
>>557921559Overdrive was cringe but I liked tactical shift
>>557929096The stars are solely an indicator for how good the character is at throwing out 66L.
>>557929096>>557929302In which case he should be 1 star
Tokon is going to be so weird like 2XKO. The random casual is going to look at it and be like “how the fuck does this work, how do I assemble my team, etc.”The target audience does not exist. FGs are doomed
>>557931159Unlike 2xko tag is "less important" there, aka initially you pick your main and give him assists you like and play like that, then you slowly expand and start playing the proper tag game.
>>557931316funny because this is literally what people in 2xko tell you
>>557931603Well, you can play with the 1v2 mode.
>>5579316032xko flopped mainly for other reasons outside of gameplay ironically. people mostly liked the gameplay because they didnt reach a high level where everyone 4-way cancer mixes you up, the roster is just that atrocious
nobody likes tagslop stupid ass niggas
>>557933316well nobody likes you
No one likes me either.I'm THAT GBVSR character, by the way.
>>557933593Lunalu...
>>557933593jiita ex-chan...
>>557931159>The target audience does not exist. FGs are doomedDeserved. Should have stopped oversimplifying everything to death and stuck with the core audience.
>>557934462That has nothing to do with it.
>>557934579Cope
>>557931971>people mostly liked the gameplayCitation needed. I've seen huge amounts of people bounce off the gameplay because it's horrible at low levels.
>>557934462
>>557935034https://cthor.me/Fighting-games-product-designRetard.
>>557926982Enjoy your disease and fucking men
I main Sieg. Btw I'm trans
>>557935583Should also start dealing poison damage
>>557935583now that is a fine ass
>>557935598You didn't read any of that and neither will I.
>>557936821Fuck.Well, I did read some of it. He says the reason why fighting games are failing despite changing their core gameplay 1000 times its because, first and foremost, they basically release featureless unfunctional garbage in 2026 (like cross play not being the expected thing and being treated as a feature).
>>557936976>despite changing their core gameplay 1000 timesExcept they haven't done that, and that's the real issue. The closest any modern fighter has come to changing core gameplay was Strive early beta, but they backtracked after old players complained.All modern fighting games do is bolt on a bunch of gimmicks and slap on some new paint in the hopes that it will endear the game to old players and/or make it accessible to new players. They fundamentally refuse to change the actual gameplay in any meaningful way because their core audience these days consists mainly those deranged enough to enjoy such gameplay. It's an evolutionary cul-de-sac.
>>557936976SF6 has billion features and big numbers, but everyone who played fighting games before it, fucking hates the gameplay and what it did to other fighting games with it's influences. With neutral skipping, guessing, infinite plus frames, ez mode combos and other shit. So, what now?
>>557937496>everyone who played fighting games before it, fucking hates the gameplayNo they don't. 4chan isn't the world.
>>557937496soulcalibur 7 with good gameplay at low and high levels, and a retvrn to sc3's single player scopeCAS always sells to casuals. it's in the name!
>>557937432>The closest any modern fighter has come to changing core gameplay was Strive early beta, but they backtracked after old players complained.Retard >>557937673Double retard.
>>557937894>If you criticize something you must hate it!Yes, I'm sure the dude who has played thousands of hours of SF6 and travels across the world to attend SF6 tournaments secretly hates it.
>>557938157>Yes, I'm sure the anons who have played thousands of hours of Rising and sit in a Rising general 24/7 and attend tournaments hate it.Correct. Plenty of examples in here.
>>557938586That's different though, this is 4chan. Nobody here actually plays videogames.
>>557938586You are delusional
>>557935598>>557936976While what he says might be true, this is not the reason the genre isn't popular. It might explain a low retention, but not a low new player count.Nobody *new* to fighting games is wondering about side contents or cool features. They only discover them after they've already bought and launched the game. They just imagine Street Fighter 2, Tekken 3, Mortal Kombat or Smash Brawl, and think the experience will be similar in most modern games.The problem is that most of the casual audience isn't even thinking about playing a fighting game at all. FGC spent years hyping their genre as the peak of elite gaming, needing constant practice and discipline, which scared the casuals off. The same happened to RTS. Now they both are dying genre because nobody wants to invest their time in them. It's a matter of perception of the genre. It was never about the games themselves.
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>>557939086>It was never about the games themselves.Incorrect. Fighting game gameplay itself is off-putting to most people. There seems to be this persistent delusion in the FGC that people would love fighters if they just gave them a chance, when the world did give them a chance in 90s and fighters just disappeared into their own ass instead of trying to improve as a genre.In other multiplayer real-time action genres, you'll notice things that take a player's agency away from them and turn them into a spectator are used in extremely limited manner. Stuns and similar effects are very limited in both duration and scope. Something like a 5 second stun doesn't exist in most of these games, and when it does exist it is considered an extremely powerful and game-changing ability. League of Legends for example, has consistently tuned down the duration of all CC effects for most of it's existence. They have also removed almost all point-and-click CC and made them skill-shots instead so they can be dodged. They, and other companies do this because there are tons of studies that players fucking hate having their agency taken away from them.Fighting games on the other hand, stun you for at least 5 seconds (with the most egregious games stunning you for over 30 seconds) every time the opponent lands anything that confirms into a combo so that you get to watch your opponent play the game while you twiddle your thumbs. If you enjoy gameplay like that, that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that. But it is extremely off-putting to most people.
>>557940027and most people are homosexual retards that don't know what they like or want. remember that there is a HUGE outcry to remove hitstop and screenshake from video games all the time, but the second companies actually do that, people cry to put it back because it feels good. being combo'd feels like shit, but DOING combos feels godlike
First post EVO interviews of SF6, the top placing players were all trashing the game. Cease your gaslighting.
>>557940274>being combo'd feels like shit, but DOING combos feels godlikeThis is exactly what I'm talking about: most people aren't going to like a game like that. Vast majority of people have loss-aversion. The emotional impact of loss, in this case getting comboed, is felt more intensely than the joy of an equivalent gain, ie. doing the combo. This kind of gameplay just doesn't appeal to very many people. There's nothing wrong with that, those that enjoy it will enjoy it, those that don't play other games. That's fine by me. But people keep pretending that fighting game popularity has nothing to do with gameplay and that fighters will become as popular as Fortnite if they would just do this one thing. "Add better matchmaking", "make better tutorials", "add better single-player content", "go F2P", "charge less for content", and so on, when the truth is nothing can make a fighter have mainstream popularity as long as it has fighter gameplay in it's current form.
Casuals don’t care about whatever that article is talking about. People buy MK because they just care about the story and want to see Scorpion rip someone’s spine out. They don’t care about being competitive and most of them won’t even touch online modes. The genre is living off of a dying inertia of nostalgia from SF2 and MK. Popularity of brands won’t save it. League/arcane is popular and 2XKO flopped heavily. Marvel won’t be a silver bullet either.
>>557934462>casual fighting games are the most popular fighting games>only exception is tekkenmeanwhile barely anyone plays Xrd / CF / Uni2 / all the other predecessor games that were even more complicated
Nobody doublts that a top Granblue or UNI player probably sticks with it because they actually like the game. But if you're good at fighting games and you just want to reach a large audience (it's not just about prizes because sponsors care about the number people watching you), then of course you pick sf6. Of course top players trash the game. Of course they keep playing it even if they'd rather boot up some other game. It's their Job.
>>557941794Only a tiny minority of top players actually make their living from playing video games. Most of these niggas have actual jobs you know.
>>557941941 I direct you to >>557937894
>>557940027>There seems to be this persistent delusion in the FGC that people would love fighters if they just gave them a chanceThis has been proven multiple times. The entire cultural impact of SF6 on Japan has been the proof of that. How much of that success is organic is up to debate, but that's undeniable. That's the reason why everyone in the community is brainstorming how to attract new players nowadays, too.>you'll notice things that take a player's agency away from them and turn them into a spectator are used in extremely limited mannerAh yes, like dying and waiting 90 seconds to respawn in LoL, or the end of the round in CS. If you die in a Battle Royale, you have to get back in queue or watch your friends play until the end. And these are the most popular competitive games. Your argument doesn't work.I hate stuns and long combos too, but that's clearly not the problem fundamentally. That's even less of an issue if you think that there is a significant lower probability that a new player gets locked into a combo if they fight an opponent of their level.Meanwhile, you could waste 30-40 minutes in a game of League because there is no reasonable way for you to win in a game where snowballing is an intrinsic mechanic at all level of play.
>>557943440those are all team games where you can blame your teammates
the reason that fighting games are unpopular is because good games are unpopular and games with balls and guns are popular instead (everyone has shit taste)
>>557943440>The entire cultural impact of SF6 on Japan has been the proof of that. SF6 is only huge by fighting game standards. Yes, you can achieve SF6 levels of success if you have both the gameplay and the brand for it, but do you really think that SF6 tier success is what people refer to when they think fighting games could be popular?>Ah yes, like dying and waiting 90 seconds to respawn in LoL, or the end of the round in CS. If you die in a Battle Royale, you have to get back in queue or watch your friends play until the end. And these are the most popular competitive games. Your argument doesn't work.Dying is conceptually different from being stunned. Even if the end result is the same, ie. you not playing the game, it feels different to players. That's why they limit the length of CC but death timers have remained more or less untouched. Death in the games you mentioned is more of an equivalent to the time between rounds in a fighter. You got beat, so now you wait a bit until the next round starts.>there is a significant lower probability that a new player gets locked into a combo if they fight an opponent of their level.Not with modern fighters, pretty much all of them include an auto-combo mechanic. Many auto-combo mechanics even automatically hit-confirm for you.
>>557941641>People buy MK because they just care about the story and want to see Scorpion rip someone’s spine out. They don’t care about being competitive and most of them won’t even touch online modes.Pretty sure that's roughlywhst the article is about, that FG developers have spent a shitton of time and effort trying to convince non-competitive players that they'll be able to compete this time instead of building a game that's worth buying even if you don't compete. In that regard is kinda miffing how little Cygames advertised GBVS story mode and even more so that they removed the co-op in Rising
>>557938889No u
>>557943440>>557939086Actually smart poster, nice
>>557944829He disagreed with me though, that means he can't be smart.
>>557944632Yes, and that’s why I think it’s done for. It’s reached the pinnacle. There is no solution and the genre will fade away within the decade unless some groundbreaking innovation happens.
The FG genre has little popular appeal because the genre has been stagnant for 30+ years. The developers make no effort to innovate. 30 years later and your only options are 2D plane street fighter clones or tagslop which all follow the same formula. No matter how hard they try to make the genre appeal to new players by adding gimmicky get in for free mechanics or baby inputs and easy combos, they completely miss the mark on addressing the real issue. It's unfortunately a big reason why SF dominates in numbers so hard. Why play a street fighter clone when you can just play the real thing to get the same experience? The FG tard will find it convenient to write it off as "hurr durr they can't blame themselves for losing" or "the genre is just too hard for le casual" or whatever to inflate his own ego, but the reality is the genre has absolutely zero surface level appeal to anyone that hasn't already been invested in FGs for years (sunken cost).
>>557946174it’s lonely at the top
honestlythe issue is that people don't know how sick fighting games can be at high levelsthat's it. that's all there is to it. they don't know what good play is, what it looks like, or what goes into it. and it's impossible to show to clueless people, especially as the genre gets more casualized with lower skill ceilings. ignorant onlookers will only ever see mashing. tournament footage will only ever look like mashing. and commentators cannot keep up to explain to ignorant people exactly what's going on. games move too fast. there's no time for decision making to breathe or be underscored because the round is 99 seconds at absolute maximum. you need an understanding of what the genre offers to appreciate what it ishonestly, because of this, I think streamlining is more harmful than it is appealing to casuals. with many older games, skill is more evident because players are clearly being more precise and overcoming more friction. beautiful high-execution combos that aren't just button>h special>button>h special>button>h special>linked super. things that LOOK hard to do and actually ARE hard to do show that the genre can be more than just buttonmashing, and buttonmashing is what people who have never played a fighting game seriously think they are. I occasionally talk to absolute normals that still play video games, even weird ones, even anime shit, but their only exposure to fighting games was something like soulcalibur 2 on gamecube or a mortal kombat game when they were much younger, and their impression is just buttonmashing. not spacing, not RPS, not reads, not enduring mental stack, no execution no nothing. just buttonmashing. "the guy who mashes better wins" and that stigma is just not going to go away if they keep making fighting games easier for casuals to mash in
>>557921793I retain that tournaments are magical christmas land where everything you do just works and nobody plays remotely like people play the real game
>the issue is that people don't know how sick fighting games can be at high levelstrue and also why smash gets a lot more viewership. a sick play in smash will look sick to people whove never even touched the game, but in a traditional fighter randoms wont even notice the play happening
>>557946990and you can contrast this to league or whatever where the outcome of a match is still decided by one fuckup, but it plays out over the next 4 minutes while the commentators keep saying "because gabzar the evil sorcerer hit their hypercarry spryelf the spry elf with zorbulon's evil chains in that teamfight and died it cause ALL THIS HUGE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS that led to Team X-Blade destroying the nexus!" and that's just much easier to understand than "he smelled he was gonna mash there and fuckin murdered his retarded ass"
>>557946990This is the exact sort of delusion I was referring to. "Fighting games could be popular, if people only knew!"No dude, it's the gameplay. People don't like it. You are in a minority, not because you have enlightened knowledge about how great fighters are, but because you have brain-damage that makes you like fighter gameplay.
>>557946990FGs are the least intense games in the high end competitive level. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but glorified RPS simulators will forever look like glorified RPS simulators no matter how much heckin epic mind games went into that fM poke.
>>557944215>do you really think that SF6 tier success is what people refer to when they think fighting games could be popular?Yes. SF6 is a cultural phenomenon in Japan (at least, that's what many observers of the scene said). It's their Tier 1 League of Legends over there. Just look at EVO Japan numbers. People even pay to watch competitive play (lmaooo). Was the hype deserved? Heh. At least, the FGC wants to replicate that level of hype in the West, but they don't know how.>Dying is conceptually different from being stunnedAnd I agree. But if I understood your argument correctly, you said that the problem with stuns and combos in FGs is that they completely remove player agency for 5+ seconds. If you think player agency is what matters, then the impact of these mechanics on their respective games popularity should be similar. Yet, I don't think most people prefer TF2 over CS2. (I prefer TF2 btw.)There could be an entire debate over what's a "good pace" for PvP games in general, but consider that a new player doesn't even have the experience of getting stun-locked before playing the game in the first place. It might matter in the long run (retention factor) but that's not the topic.Now, I could also say that there are ways to add player agency in combo-based FGs. Burst and combo breaker mechanics are an option. Directional Influences in platform fighters are an option. It's not like devs didn't think of it either.>>557944829>>557945102There is no animosity on my end, by the way. I genuinely think this debate is fascinating. I know it's /gbvsg/, but I think it's an sane discussion to have regardless.
>>557947381>FGs are the least intense games in the high end competitive level.which is why FG developers are desperate to make them look EPIC and FLASHY with le parries and shit
Well, FGs require a certain skill floor (I think that’s what you meant; not a skill ceiling) threshold to surpass to appreciate that level of magic that FGs can offer. But the sad reality is, most people won’t ever achieve that level. Casuals will try the game then move on. Some of them may even look at it and go, “This game is beautiful; I am incapable of playing it.” At a base level or a tournament level. This has always been the case whether you dumb it down or not.
what is this, comedy hour?>>557947381>FGs are the least intense games in the high end competitive level.you have never actually watched a top 3 in your life. those fuckers walk away from that shit sweating and shaking. the only big competitive genre that has as much micro decision making and demands the most mechanical skill and mental endurance is FPS>>557947513fighting games have only gotten slower and have only added more "moments to breathe" in cinematic supers and wallbreaks and shit. "a moment to breathe" is the only defense people who don't like cinematic supers ever have for them. it's the main reason they get added. in the name of reducing intensity and allowing for space for players. also in the name of giving commentators time to catch up for streamboars
>>557948007>>557946990meant for
name one singular 1v1 game that is even remotely as popular as any team game besides chess specifically
>>557948210Brood War/SC2
>>557948210tennis?
>>557948148>those fuckers walk away from that shit sweating and shaking.because they're socially inept autists competing for money being recorded on a big stage in front of a bunch of people that want to make fun of them, retard
>>557948007I did mean ceiling. high ceiling play that looks like a whole-ass different game makes it obvious to onlookers what a game can be. but a certain floor/minimum skill or knowledge is still needed to be able to observe what differentiates low level from high level play is, yeahlowering the ceiling reduces that difference and makes it less immediately observable
>>557948210Rock paper scissors
>>557948007Agreed. Adding neutralskip gimmicks or easy inputs isn't making it easier for the new player to get into the genre. If anything, it makes it easier for them to leave. They will only get raped even harder by mouth breathing Daigo wannabes that know how to exploit said gimmicky mechanics. They should expand the genre horizontally rather than vertically if they want new players trying it for more than 10 minutes.
>>557948334even among sports, this is the outlier retard one that nobody watches, plays or takes seriously
>>557948668its gaining popularity. but its probably because every team based sport simply fucking sucks
>>557946990Yeah>picks top tierfighting games require immense amount of skill actually>does 30% off a lucky guessNormies just don't understand>said lucky guess put you in a massively advantageous positionI had to hit that 1-frame link>only hit the 1-frame link by pure luck, dropping it would still have been advantageousThat's why fighting games aren't popular
>>557948210UFC and boxingprofessional wrestling most of the timethat's as close as it gets though and none of them are as popular as Sportsball
>>557948865whatever point you are trying to make is not landing because every competitive video game has balance outliers and broken shitshut the fuck up. you sound like a woman
>>557948148>micro decision making and mechanical skill>in FGsFGs have the lowest requirements for those of literally any competitive genre. Hell, you can easily find single player gaming activities that have way higher mechanical requirements than FGs. How far are you in the sunken cost hole that you have to delude yourself like this?
>>557947424>It's their Tier 1 League of Legends over there.No it's not. It's popular for a fighting game, but that's all. People vastly overstate how popular it is because it's a fighting game. If it actually was super-popular, Capcom would be churning out skins for it non-stop. Instead, they left it with a skeleton crew and moved staff to games that are actually popular.>If you think player agency is what matters, then the impact of these mechanics on their respective games popularity should be similar. It's a question of framing. Player feelings aren't logical, the famous example of rested XP from WoW comes to mind. Yes, players generally hate their agency being taken away, but when it's framed as the character dying for a longer period of time, it is easier for players to accept. They are dead after all, why should they have any control? Whereas with stuns and such, there is a feeling that the character they normally have full control over is suddenly unresponsive. In addition to that, with death there is a release of tension: nothing can no longer happen to you, you have lost the game (at least temporarily) so you can take a breath and think, maybe even alt-tab if the game has particularly long spawn times. CC acts in an opposite manner: it increases tension while not allowing for any way to act on it, which then translates to frustration. You have to keep your attention focused on the game while being unable to take any action. This is especially bad in fighters as combos have no set length.The thing to understand is that for genres bigger than fighters, these aren't just "I think this is the case" type hunches from the devs, they've got actual psychologists studying player behaviour so that they can fleece them more effectively. When these devs say these things in interviews and such, I am inclined to believe them.
>>557949416go on anon, go win a major. it's easy. barely requires any skill
What if Gaweon could raise a stalagmite and it was a mid screen walland if you jumped on it you got hurt like minecraft
>>557949104>spew mindless drivel>get called out>immediately follow up with an emotional outburst that is nothing more than a juvenile insult>"y-you sound like a woman!"kek
>>557949695tits or gtfo
>>557947424>Now, I could also say that there are ways to add player agency in combo-based FGs. Burst and combo breaker mechanics are an option. Directional Influences in platform fighters are an option. It's not like devs didn't think of it either.I would agree that these are the type of mechanics you actually need in your game if you want it to become more palatable to mainstream. But combo breakers are usually unfortunately limited, with KI being the sole exception I can think of where you are allowed to break any combo. I would even use Smash as an example of what happens when a fighting game starts to actually change the core gameplay instead of just bolting on gimmicks, and the platform fighter subgenre is far more palatable to the average person because of the ways it changed the gameplay. But of course it's not possible to evaluate these things in a vacuum as Smash also has a million other reasons for it's success.>There is no animosity on my end, by the way. I genuinely think this debate is fascinating. I know it's /gbvsg/, but I think it's an sane discussion to have regardless.I agree, it is a pretty nice discussion.
>>557949692>galleon with an anywhere-wallplease dear god nonot unless her whole kit is altered around having it. then it's cool
>>557949104>every competitive video game has balance outliers and broken shitI mean... stuff like tetris and puyo puyo and other competetive puzzle games will usually give both players the same board to make it entirely fair.The impact of luck is also generally much lower in RTS.
>>557949104>every competitive video game has balance outliers and broken shitWhat are the balance outliers and broken shit in Brood War?
>Half the posters here don't actually like fighting gamesHonestly, explains a lot.
>>557950251Half the FGC doesn't like fighting games outside of one or two games they grew up with
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST GIVE HONEST CRITICISMS OF THE GENRE YOU ENJOY PLAYING YOU HAVE TO BE A BRAINDEAD PREPROGRAMMED NPC SPOUTING THE SAME TAKES EVERY FG DRONE PARROTS TO STROKE HIS OWN EGO
I pray for a bruise daily.
I grew up with GBVSR.
>>557950737I don't speak horse
>>557950251I never said I don't like fighting games, I merely explained why most people don't enjoy them and never will, no matter how good the tutorial, the license, the single-player mode, the matchmaking or marketing is.
>>557950809
It's amazing that neither the homo dragon, Wilnas, nor the literally who, Meg, killed the game as much as the fan favourite, Ilsa, did.
she just updated her instagram.
>>557950938horse eyes look so soulless
>>557951062>titcow cosplayerPost Bikky cosplayers instead!
>>557950251I like fighting games. I like Vanilla and rising, but vanilla more. Rising is still fine and better than the other modern FGs we currently have. The problems I see that are leading the genre to its deathbed are what I am seeing in Tokon like with 2XKO. It’s not appealing to anyone. Too complex for casuals, too “modern” for veterans like most FGs nowadays.
nyodeath to ratpedos
>>5579513362XKO wasn't too modern for veterans though, that was one of it's biggest issues gameplaywise. It is extremely sweaty, broken game.
miicoposting.
too many dimensions
>>557950085but she's bad and needs buffs
The only thing fighting games need is a pity system were if you get bodied for too long or are a newbie you get matched with IA masked as a player, this might sound retarded but I'm pretty sure that's just how most multiplayer games work nowadays, back before crossplay was a thing whenever a game of apex/fortnite/warzone felt too easy I would check the recently played list and found out that last game only had like 5-6 players (you could tell because the friends app would say the last time you played with someone), and I'm pretty sure it's still going because even recently with Arc raiders I was playing with some friends and we were getting our asses kicked, and suddenly we had 3 lobbies were all people we found were pretty much loot pinatas and everyone was like "Wow we're so cracked bro, we're so back", like they don't even think about the fact that we were playing with free loadout and absolutely murdering people with gear far better than ours
>>557951136they're very intelligent and social creatures
>>557952576Also I remember some anon asked grok how to save granblue a couple of months ago and it also suggested adding AI to alleviate queue times at low ranks (among other things but that is irrelevant at this time), so that only reinforces my belief that a good amount of time you're not even playing with other people when playing multiplayer games
newfag here. Why is this general so much more chill than any other general especially the fighting game ones? We dont even have a migration general in the multiplayer board.
>>557953118we like the gamemostly
>>557953486No we don't, stop being silly.
>>557936387sieg simply needs buffs
>>557953732I like the game :)
>>557953803They should buff the range of his SBA and the start-up of his 22H.
>>557936387Why can Vane do things
my left ab is way bigger than my rightshould i get that checked out
>>557947353>No dude, it's the gameplay. People don't like it.i think its this but in a very simple way. you absolutely have to have someone of comparable skill to be a mashing retard against (hopefully a friend or two) or nobody will ever be interested.they have the same horrible introduction curve as dota/league where the game sucks ass until it magically clicks but you will never get there in a less than popular game without the friend safety net or being autistic. the handful of people i know who play fighting games outside of this thread are all casuals who hop between tekken and random new game (they never actually stick to the random new game). every time they try to introduce someone else to the genre they fail horribly because they all just rape them in the corner for 30 seconds and the other player never actually experiences the game outside of maybe a tiny bit of single player.modern fighting games would all go into a dumpster if steam let you refund before 100 hours.
are EX characters separate in ranked rank from their normal counterparts?
>>557954640no
>>557954640yes
>>557954640maybe
>>557952576>The only thing fighting games need is a pity system were if you get bodied for too long or are a newbie you get matched with IA masked as a player, tthis isn't retarded at all and there is no way capcom hasn't thought about whether they could get away with this. having significantly better ai opponents and even masking them to keep queues popping and rigging player engagement would be the single greatest advancement this genre could ever have.
honestlyif I found out I was such a dogshit player that devs were furthering the dead internet theory just to stroke my ego a little when I lose out of pity, I would drop the genre entirely out of shame
>>557955128every other major game does this to some extent and even when they are blatantly obvious about it people cry but still continue playing (see the marvel rivals launch drama)
EU bros why is our lobby always so fucking dead. Do europeans not play fighting games?
I googled marvel rivals launch drama and my day was instantly made worse
is every default avatar Gran mainer just a smurfing faggot or why are they always the most busted motherfuckers out there. Or is the real problem Gran himself?
>>557955483they mostly dont
>>557955620Gran has big cock damage and is not that hard to play
>>557955620Gran is an honest character for honest men
>>557955483Because they are busy doing this.
i googled marvel rivals pawgs and
>>557955483Europeans are not slop eaters so they got tired of devs raping the game and not touching the universal mechanics
>>557955483We play Tekken nigga.
>>557956364four niers kneeling before my cock...
>>557956524>Europeans are not slop eatersLOL, LMAO
>>557956524>Europeans are not slop eatersthey love kekken though
I googled marvel rivals launch drama and didn't find anything except """content creators""" bitching about how they needed to sign a contract that had a non-disparagement clause to get special treatment.
>>557956364no way I literally just saw them. One of them did actually play some games later
>>557956625>>557956758Dead Slop Game
>>557956796Not that. The game just uses bots and people whined but kept playing anyway.
>>557956031>>557956197I hate honest characters they make me feel small pp
any slop eater (EU) lobbygamer?
>>557957126*silence*See??
>>557957357*audible fart in the distance*see? theres someone. come play
Someone is finally asking the real questions
>>557957126I guess I could try out the patch.
>>557957502why is ken parrying chun li in this imageonly one of the images in this thumbnail has anything to do with both fighting games and faggotry
>>557957126Yeah but I think Im too sleepy. I keep fucking everything up
>>557957603I'm not watching it to find out
>>557957603Ken is parrying Chun-Li's vagina to remain fully homosexual. Ken and Ryu are FGC homosexual icons.
>>557957603cultural Marxism has brainwashed Ken into parrying her vagina
>>557931603whatwhoever told you 'tag is less important' were lying through their teeth2xko is active tag. active tag is grimy>>557931971>2xko flopped mainly for other reasons outside of gameplay ironically. people mostly liked the gameplayabsolutely not
>>557957502>daigo parry is gayfinally we come to the truth of the matter now that the dust is settled
fox is annoyingsheep is annoying
what does it mean when you try to spectate someone and suddenly you constantly get a network error on them? Did they block me?
>>557958715that the game is shitits not your fault
>>557958526you are annoyingnier is annoying
>not a single new player in EU lobbyMan being new to an old dead game sucks. How am I suppose to improve
>>557959109Anon, you're not going to like the answer
>>557959109my friend started recently and was playing ranked. the only problems starts showing up when you reach S+ where you find Masters on different characters
>>557959368>Anon, you're not going to like the answertrue>>557959402I tried ranked a few times and kept getting people with 2k matches beside being D ranks.
bros, i do not like this character
>>557959859It's a funny setup.Dishonest, but funny.
>>557959859brave counter makes this pointless
>>557960479brave counter makes everything pointless
I thought Siegs delayed fireball couldnt be dodged. Was that changed?
>>557961012siegfried doesn't have a delayable fireball
>>557961371I think Im getting something confused then
>>557961558he has 236M which is on a static timing and is slow. you can spotdodge it if you time it right but that's not good advice. none of them can be rolled through, if that's what you're asking
>>557961636then that Nier player who bullied me is busted because he dodged them like nothing. Guess he earned that master rank.playing against people way above your own rank is fun ngl
>>557956451update: busted all over meself
Faggots run away and down back the entire game and act like i'm the bad guy when I just stand on the other side of the screen shooting them instead of playing their gay little game of grab ass.
>>557962134passive uninteractive play should be heavily punished in every fighting game desu. there's nothing more annoying than fighting a delay teching BC spamming pussy
>>557956625Djeeta's larger than I expected jeeters
>>557962498Delay tech shouldn't be possible twice in a row. The second time it should fail and you eat the throw. Teching properly or eating a throw are the only way to reset it.
>>557960479bait it and do it again
No character is allowed to have any sauce.
>>55796269515 years old btw
>>557962983Cagliostro died because she had too much sauce, now she's just another use 50 meter for a corner to corner combo character
I could instantly tell which group was the /vg/gers
>>557962492She's going to murder you anon
If you BC, have 0 crystals, and the opponent blocks it, you get a counterhit animation and the opp punishes you.
>>557963338I've done that combo to a C rank cutie in the lobby.
>>557962983God I wish this was actually true in this game.
>>557963338this would be cool if this tranny character didn't also mash from fullscreen with zero counterplay
>>557939086But the problem is retention you goof. If this game had the player retention of that piece of shit Overwatch it would hit like 4000 players today instead of 900, and would have been averaging 1500 during a content drought instead of 500. Nevermind the millions of players that tried one FG, saw it was a disfunctional piece of shit and never looked at another one.
>>557963126I'm still upset
>>557939086holy ruria trvke
>>557964615Retention is an entirely different problem. You cannot keep in your playerbase somebody that has never ever considered playing your game in the first place. Yet, you have to play the game to find its flaws.I'm not talking about the one that did buy a fighting game and tried it for less than an hour at this point. I'm talking about those players that find XYZ excuses to not give it a try, but you still see them spending hundreds of hours on other competitive/tryhard games.
>>557948148>you have never actually watched a top 3 in your life. those fuckers walk away from that shit sweating and shaking. the only big competitive genre that has as much micro decision making and demands the most mechanical skill and mental endurance is FPSlol whathttps://youtu.be/ZPCfoCVCx3Uthis play alone mogs 99% of fighting game momentsand that's a single play from a decade ago
vikala is pure evil, how am i supposed to beat a character that just endlessly throws projectiles with no recovery and has huge normals to prevent me from jumping
Anyone have some weird bug with >firefox?I keep getting some some sort of infinite "Get Captcha" after the timer. Had to post this on a fuckass browser
>>557962492Nier is kinda....erotic....
>>557958715if you're blocked you will see their name as their accont id and none of their messages. you also wont be able to open their replays iirc.your situation is the games servers being made palworlds bitch.
>>557959109>How am I suppose to improveplay with americans :)
>>557967565A brand new EU player is roughly equivalent to NA grandmaster.
>>557966194"Nobody would play my shit game if it was good anyways" is a lazy self serving excuse on the level of woke hero shooter devs. Almost every new player to this game comes along and says they can't find ranked matches because low ranks are a literal trap the developers left in as a joke. Those players are not staying, and those players are not getting frauded into buying the next game, they are just permanent lost sales for the next 30 years.
>>557939086>It was never about the games themselves.im not sure about that. like sf/tekken anything that isn't aoe2/starcraft is just comes out stillborn. there is lots of them being made and they're all flopping. the casual audience really seems to just be captured by legacy brands.
>>557967676pls... vasanon... mercy...>>557966458i hate youtube so fucking much. this video was not this horrible looking 12 years ago.
>>557957603>Chinese milf tries to shove her pussy on your face>you ''no way fag'' herlooks pretty gay to me
>>557966458so he...presses Zed ulthits one shuriken...and then teleports back to a shadow after the other guy is already deadAnd this made him a millionaire legend for all time
>>557959859>>557962837I'm a sucker for comboing off shit.Guess I'll have to pick Mr. Pilsa up, her TRVTHNVKE looks fun as fuck.
>>557966962i get something like that from time to timejust close the reply box and try again
>>557968535Do not reply to mobatards
>>557968535never forget korea has a national holiday dedicated to a lee sin dashing to a ward over a tree and kicking a man.
>>557969151Not doing it for me boss, I've been trying ever since I saw your reply. I guess I'll just chalk it off to hiroshimoot and hope it unfuck itself.
used goods....
>>557967565I went to the NA lobby and some dude with "loser" there asked if I have friends. Left and rejoined and he was talking to himself about how people find him weird and how he's just being true to himself.>>557967676Guess I'm american now
>>557969354>gold event
>>557967389ah fair. Im used to other games giving you just an "error" when someone has you blocked. Glad I wasn't being annoying
>>557959109If you needed to play with people on your level you were ngmi in the first place.>b-but muh funWrong genre Timmy
>>557970487you found the king of autists
>>557970487wat
man it's always funny watching bum ass niggas trying to discredit league/league players
I fell asleep at my desk and just woke up. Anyone for some EU games?
>>557970938Can't wait for Project L to release and watch as all those League kids annihilate fighting game "pros".
>>557971226sorry we all going to bed
>>557971226I played earlier and concluded this patch ain't for me. I think I'll just go to bed early.
>>557971349Understandable, have a good night, I will now proceed to wait for 10 minutes before either continuing Metaphor or starting either Majikoi or Demonbane.
>>557969354I'm reminded of when I mained Kled and then a pro picked him and did something really basic the character was designed to do and everyone was like HOLY SHIT THE KLED GOD and I was mad about it
>>5579714619 minutes... I was too late
>>557971461hello my chuuni kino nigga
>>557970858yeah when I left I felt bad so I went back and he was just talking about it. I'm positive they were using chatgbt for translations or something, felt like a broken bot talking to himself.
One day, I shall play with my lobbybros again.
>>557972676That day could be today.It could even be right now.What is stopping you?
>>557972272i had to go out and get some cash, i can still rejoin
>>557972820>What is stopping you?my feet hurt.
>>557972820Played a long set in the open lobby today. I'm tired and will go to bed soon.I want to watch a movie tomorrow and drink.You know what? Sunday. I will ask for games on Sunday.
>>557973161I'll be there on Sunday
>>557973267Nice.
>Since Patch 2.50, triple attack fails to come out sometimes>Whether three deliberate presses or mashing, the third hit doesn't register
>>557959859>>557962837Ceci n'est pas une mixup
>>557974850you guys dont fail the check right?
Random ass anime playing nigs will never stop trying to tell you that shit doesn't work that AWT qualifiers successfully use every set. >nah bro anything over 12 frames is reactable 100% of the time and never hits me check humanbenchmark bro>meanwhile SF6 is designed around 28 frames being barely reactable and people get hit by 35 frame RS all the time
>>557975465well, in regards to the low/overhead triple combo finisher mixup, you can OS it
>>557975465
>>557975627You "can" but you fucking WON'T
>>557975730me? of course I wont, im badbut my hero? he will and will win AWTsay his name bitch
>>557975465it's not a reaction check, it's a knowledge check lil bro. (You) can literally do it blindfolded
>>557975868Yeah switch blocking in a 5 frame window that is not connected to your own inputs is totally trivial which is also why empty jump low has never worked in history.
>just fuzzy mash there, just fuzzy block there, just OS there>it's not that strong!meanwhile top level players die to the same bullshit I die to in ranked. theoretical training mode niggas need to fuck off. just because things have answers it doesnt mean everyone is always going to be ready to deal with everything
I'm not ready to deal with anything...
>>557976232Empty jump low works because people use the jump attack to tell them when to switch blocking. It's especially important in Granblue because characters have different durations on their jump.For auto combo, you have 2 hits before the "mix" to confirm the situation. No moer difficult than confirming a combo off 2 hits.A 5 frame window is also no different to doing a link in a combo.>>557976724If an ilsa player drops the nuke on you and you don't know what's coming, then you might have a learning disability. Honestly you don't even need to fuzzy anything because 90% of players are going overhead. It's true that the majority of players don't bother learning defence, but their offence is almost as bad.
>>557966458>1v1 moments in moba/fps>impressive pick one
>>557975313it's been 2 years and every top 8 still has players failing it
>>557977167It is absolutely not the same as doing a link, which is just pressing buttons on a pacing rather than reacting and inputting a (large) arbitrary number of frames after a visual stimulus.
Risings playerbase skill level as a whole is not as good as some others
Anyone caught complaining that fuzzy timing is too hard has forfeited their right to complain about modern fighting games being too easy. Just FYI.
>>557978446Yeah yeah we totally believe you never got hit by dust or greed sever dude.
>>557978402TRVKE
>>557978446that shit was required in some older anime fighter MUs
>>557977167>A 5 frame window is also no different to doing a link in a combo.the only reason you can do that is thanks to muscle memory. for fuzzy blocking there's no previous input to reference so theres no muscle memory to have either. just reactions.in ggxrd, baiken has a guard cancel parry (red azami) that works for 7 frames until she goes into CH state. theoretically she could parry everyones common pressure sequences every time as long as she timed it right, yet in practice people almost only used red azami against multi hitting moves where catching the 7f window was extremely easy. i wonder why red azami wasnt common at all if catching a 5f fuzzy in gbvsr is supposed to be easy?
Do I just have to hold this every time
>>557978923you have to take a risk
>>557978923rat 214M is one of the most oppressive moves in the fuckin game
>>557978923unless she spaces it out at tip range it should be minus on block. test it in training mode
>>557979035what risks are there to take, the only thing that could even reach is super
>>557978897that's a terrible example because characters can gatling into many different moves and you'd have to know what move they're going to pick to catch the right timing, or else you'll get counter hit. Gatlings are also unique for every character so there's a ton of homework you have to do.>only catch multi hitting movesso.... exactly like auto combo overhead, where you have 2 hits to confirm the situation.
>>557978923You actually can roll somewhere in the loop I think
>>557954980The single greatest loss this genre could have would be to forever taint the experience with the suspicion that you're not playing a real person.
>>557978923Probably have to correctly predict a normal to roll, then punish with light confirm.
>>557979463>suspicion that you're not playing a real personeverybody already feels this way. its why you call your opponent an animal.
>>557979687fuck you even call them bots.
>>557978923You could have blown her up for throwing the cheese followed by M ratwheel. Rubber balls and close L ratwheel are minus on block. The f.H > L ratwheel part is real and I think you have to jump the ratwheel cancel.
>>557978923He's being predictable. That's a free super
>>557979445>characters can gatling into many different movesso what? every character is going to have some sort of standardized pressure, its not going to be random. and even if they can chain into different normals, you could argue baiken could fuzzy the azami to catch different routings? why didnt people just do that bro?>so.... exactly like auto combo overheadnot even close. autocombo overhead isn't a multihitting move its just 3 normals in a row. im talking about multihitting moves where baiken could just press azami anywhere during it and get a free parry. like picrel
>>557954980SF6 literally has a mode called "sim-sim" or whatever where you can upload your match replay data and it generates an accurate representation of YOU that other people can play against. Thousands of players from all ranks even up to pros have done this.
>blocked for literally over 15 seconds>double cannonballs did like a third of all the chip damageYeah you have to hold like 10 rat wheels doing less damage than a mash tech I guess the horror
chinese people in the lobby again
>>557980118this is the kind of shit that is missing from other games. still waiting for replay takeover.
>>557979687>>557979850Yeah but to insult them.
>>557980253自由派,滾出我的大廳
niggas be holding down back all round and asking why they losing
>>557980661optimal strategy for my big dragon dick having ass
>>557978923You have to BEATO ZA MAUSU
>>557979950i was going to keep replying, but comparing these two things is just retarded anon.You can learn to block cXXH. It doesn't take long and it's universal to almost every matchup. Believe in me who believes in you. Do it for your waifu Baiken who respects good defence.
>>557981087i wish i was as autistic as 2b schizo then id have 10 webms ready of evo champions failing to block cXX>low/overheadits doable but not consistent at all. its a 5f window you're only able to react to cause you can anticipate it
>>557951336>vg company known to make anime fighters alienates their audience with a VC fund of a Disney/western IP Israelis at it again
>>557982380and a fine day to you, too
>>557982380bigger
>>557982516>>557982541
>>557978923>these are the kind of people that complain about vikala
>>557982624better
>>557982380Why yes, I always let the Narmaya win screen play out whenever she beats me
>>557982380nice
Draphs are a miracle of the universeHuman women literally can't compete
Maybe all she needs is a hug
ggs future ilsa gawd.
>>557983607I feel very nee-chang sexual lately
>>557983976I think Sheep is prettier but I do love Narmaya's cotton candy color scheme.
>>557981397if i show you clips of pro players dropping their combo, does that mean learning combos is a waste of time?
>>557983907ggs, i did worse than expected, i guess it's time to start watching ilsa vods and sitting in training mode instead of playing
>>557983976Is that not the default mood?
I will not be having sex with my relatives
I will be having sex with my relatives
>>557985598Mom is not that busty
when will the alt Vaseraga costume be available for us plebs?
Friendly reminder that the character pictured here (the draph with pink hair) does not and has never had a younger sibling
>>557986581We can fix that.
>>557978923>roll the 5h>rats are minus on block yet you blocked two of them point blank before letting her retreat to a better space>you have 100 meter and can sba through her rats you have options
>>557986518And that's a tragedy
somebody bake. i am drowning in a pool.
>>557987583ONE NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
>>557988504>>557988504dykes lost
SLUT ALERT...
>>557975707she has a fat vulva
>>557980253ni hao
>>557980280Yeah the AI version of a player sounds fun as fuck to mess around with for a bit. Of course, as it's SF6, the AI just learns to drive rush and throw loop...
>>557986525it's not even good
