Sleep Edition>SSE Patch NotesCreation Updatehttps://bethesda.net/en/article/4ORD7tshfmHUN8H4ULSgE4/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-special-edition-creations-update-patch-notes Othershttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Special_Edition_Patch>Mods, Modding Guides, and FAQshttps://www.tesgeneral.com/>Found a problem or have a suggestion? Use the "Contact" button at the top right of the site.>/tesg/'s charactershttps://rentry.org/tesgrosters>character sheet workdocs (svg + png)https://mega.nz/folder/IFRhTLDR#zuf3jzqNvhlOgwu-ynim8g>Lore and Lore Accessorieshttps://www.imperial-library.info/https://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page>/tesg/'s sister threads:>>>/aco/teslg/ - /tesg/ Adult General (not dead but slow)>mega treasure trove of RUASLEEP and pre-AE USSEP patches, as well as OSex/OSA archiveshttps://mega.nz/folder/MzJzBSAR#H1K65jVzjSk11_JtGIP0ng>USSEP patcheshttps://rentry.org/mq2b8>minimal starting modlist geared towards returning usershttps://rentry.org/6wfys>comprehensive combat mod list and guide for anyonehttps://www.tesgeneral.com/doku.php?id=gameplay>gear list for gear peoplehttps://www.tesgeneral.com/doku.php?id=armorhttps://www.tesgeneral.com/doku.php?id=weapons>monster and quest guideshttps://rentry.org/nse6tpiwhttps://rentry.org/ngbnk3k7>/tesg/ modshttps://rentry.org/fif5kswdElder Thread: >>557998098
Patiently waiting for Skywind and to a lesser extent Skyblivion.
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/131086
>>558121147CotN lucia is cute thoughThinking I might try Realistic RS children for my next playthrough through
just asked chatgpt for help reducing lag with smp hairs and now it's roasting me for using max settings in my faster smp config...
milkers
>>558121391isn't there more of this waifu involving orcs
What's up with this brutal neckseam? Doesn't BeastHHBB heads work together with a 3BA body?
>>558121858I think Khajiit are supposed to have some neck fluff normally for covering that, and it looks missing for you
Waifus Lore An attempt at Harmony
The Sleeping Tree stopped giving out Sap. We over-tapped it this month, and it will take time to regenerate. But I have orders to mail out this week, and our production facility inside Honningbrew Meadery needs its usual quota to make skooma, not to mention all the ancillary products we offer. Last time we used mammoth ejaculate to tide us over, but the giants didn’t take to that too kindly. There’s one source left. Lizzers. They’re mostly Hist Sap. Now, it’s not the same thing, but our chemists think they can distill it down to a complementary organic component. That’s where you come in. I need you to start smoking Lizzers. We don’t know what numbers we’re looking at, but it could be five, or several hundred. We won’t have a firm grasp until we start running the fractional distillation process. So I guess you’d better get started on it, please, and it’s a fine day with you around.
>>558121391She clocked that motherfucker
>>558122320Say one word about Lydia
>>558122987that's a sex slave trying to escape after they ran multiple trains on her
>>558123080She's a presetfu
Guys I think I'm turning indian. I just used AI to make a simple mod when I dont know shit about papyrus. Send help. or an assassin.
>>558123270Is there even any proper documentation for that shit anywhere? How do people even learn papyrus? I think there used to be some kind of shitty wiki but I'm pretty sure it's kill.
Do you guys know what the requirements for HIT Kiki race are? It's a korean mod so I can't look at the tiny dick website.
>>558123270I was actually thinking of doing the same thing for small things like buyable home patches. I get really autistic when it comes to having homes that are just free
Eat up Lerche. You need to produce more milk
>>558123519the AI has to be pulling from somewhere.>>558123642I honestly didnt expect it to work. Most of the struggle was me figuring out what the fuck PCA was doing. Though the AI did literally make shit up on one account. The funny part is it actually admitted to making it up.>Source, I made it the fuck up
>>558123270We all gotta start somewhere. Nothing wrong with using that for the little things.>>558123642https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/168544I made the scripts for buying this house. Maybe you could check them out for ideas.
>>558123896>>558124127I genuinely hope you fall head first into a bear trap
>>558123519https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/24673
>>558123080Loyal
>>558123080Burdens
Where is she?
>>558124636sleeping with her nord husband probably
>>558124636in the gym
I drank the Bittercup
>>558124636I will literally make the Zharah follower for him if he doesn't wanna do it. I have waited TOO long.
>>558123896Lerche never looks happy in anyone's screenshots.
I'm tired of Skyrim and video games in general. Might need a new hobby
>>558125041
>>558125041He mood is set to sad in the plugin.
>>558125124this goes for you too, Thruddy >>558125008
>>558125073>I'm tired of Skyrim>and video games in generalWhat games other than Skyrim have you played recently?
>>558125194She holds together with spit and hopes of homeless children, m8.I run her through Unique Character, a decade old mod I never even see mentioned here.
>>558125041Happiness is fleeting.
>>558125346not much else, not many other games interest me
>>558125625Does Thrud have a Bodyslide preset or do you edit her sliders in-game only? Do you use Obody? These are the only important questions that I need to know to see if I can make her.
>>558125801Just as I thought. It's quite common these days to hear “I'm tired of video games” and usually it's some absolute slop like Fifa or Call Of Duty. Just pick a game that catches your eye and start playing. You'll probably get hooked pretty quickly.
>>558125990I made her body in RaceMenu, but I exported it as an OBody preset through SAM
>>558126001NTA but i've had a hard time wanting to play things too. I have a backlog a mile wide, and yet for some reason it's like Skyrim and occasionally I might play Schedule 1 too. Don't know why.elder scrolls
>>558126153It's just a sign of becoming older, you have less motivation to try new things and keep coming back to that which you're familiar with. Or you have depression.
>>558126153>Schedule 1Yeah it's like the other anon said you guys just have shit taste and only play superficial baby games which obviously aren't made to last very long.
>>558126153That's what I'm telling you. Instead of doomscrolling, just start playing that game you've been wanting to play. Preferably something that's not too dull. Maybe not even something from your backlog, but something you've been interested in but never seriously considered trying.
>>558126281what do you recommend then?
>>558126138All I need is the Racemenu preset and exported nif, the Bodyslide preset, and skin textures. I know Thrud has a bunch of scars and stuff, so you'll have to paste those onto the skin dds. I know you're good with texture editing anyway. Same with the outfit. I can create the NPC and do the facegen.We can talk in private if you want. You know my nexus account
>>558126587I don't know what you like m8The only thing I could immediately recommend is Fallout since it's adjacent to TES
>>558126281But Schedule 1 is fun and also I'm not even far enough in where I'm waiting for Tyler to drop an update, my meth lab wasn't even all that profitable until yesterday>>558126270>or you have depressionoh
>>558126270I said fuck it and reinstalled No Man's Sky first time since release year, to see if the "they actually fixed it" hype was real or not.I would say yeah, they did, mostly. Right now, it's probably what Todd WANTED Saarfield to be ii his head.
>>558126587Rogue Trader, Pathfinder and other CRPGs.
>>558125041She's hard to make smile>>558125126Probably because if this
>>558124016>for the little thingsIt really was a little thing that you'd think would have been in the base game. I saw that VR had a mod where you can hand followers things and I wanted that. So now I can give Marion the honey nut treats directly..As far as I know, non-VR skyrim has never got a mod that let you just hold E to pick up something and hand it to a follower.
>>558126979>So now I can give Marion the honey nut treats directlyI need to see this in action
Alt version of Sophie
>>558127110Unfortunately theres no animation for her eating one. I just tested a potion and she did the animation so that was neat. I use eating animations and sounds and the npc patch, but I havent explored on how to get an animation to play.Also I havent made a webm before.
>>558127249Very cool. yeah, it would be better if you figure out how to get her to do that eating animation with it
>>558126647Yeah I like fallout, I've played them modded for thousands of hours, but it's the same problem, these games are over a decade old>>558126751I don't like rogue trader and those games from that studio. they are really boring and outdated for modern games and lack production value. I did like baldurs gate 3 but I already beat it twice
>>558127434Oh, right, you actually just have shitty taste.
These + minecraft are all a man needs.
>>558127568and Euro Truck Simulator 2
>>558125041she's chronic depressive
>>558127568>Fallout 3>Skyrim>RunescapeNah
>>558126813Her mouth is too small so the teeth tend to clip.>>558127434Have you tried Anno 1800 or Rimworld?
>>558127783Millennial library.
>>558127814>Her mouth is too small so the teeth tend to clip.Yeah I've noticed. Give her a buck tooth look.Oh well she doesn't need to be smiling in my game anyway. She's only need to be making that precious white gold
>>558127568based
>>558127527Im just not autistic or trans like you to enjoy 90s style RPGs still in 2026, owlcat needs to move on and challenge themselves harder. All those studios for the past 20 years have been so lazy and not emulating what dragon age origins did except for Larian. Rogue trader is like no different than Shadowrun HK that came out 10 years ago, same exact style of game copying 90s style gameplay/UI/graphics, it's dumb.>>558127814No but I hear people get obsessed with rimworld, so maybe I'll check it out one dayI think I'll try out avowed, heard it's similar to Skyrim and it's on gamepass right now
>>558127783>>558127814>>558128251based rimrims
>>558127783>TTD
>>558128637Sorry, but oldschool CRPGs are just better, and Larian is literally a gang of cucks
>>558127783>doesn't like skyrim but has fo4 on his listwhat??
>>558128637Rimworld can be kind of hit or miss but if you like modding it's one of the most moddable games out there.>>558128251>>558128913My brothers
>>558129539Fallout 4 doesn't take up as much space as Skyrim, so I can afford to have it installed to play occasionally or test new mods.>>558129590Rimworld is really good especially with mods, and I would definitely be playing it right now if Fish came out. The game runs really poorly with a lot of mods. Maybe I'll put together a light fantasy-themed modlist a little later, since my current colony is unplayable due to low TPS.
>>558129896>Fallout 4 doesn't take up as much space as Skyrimthat's a patently false statement, but even if you meant modded, I'm going to berate you for not getting a dedicated Skyrim MO2 SSD in the decade and a half since the fucking game released
>>558129086it's just an excuse to not work as hard. Owlcat seems to have finally moved on though with that expanse mass effect rpg copycat game they are making
It is Caturday.Post cats.
>>558129590Rimworld looks like prison architect, was not expecting that.also, your list looks kind of zoomery
>>558130080>it's just an excuse to not work as hardHow fucking stupid are you if you legit think this is the reason as to why Owlcat's engine isn't as crazy as Larian's
>>558130080They are basically copying Mass Effect, which is still junk and closer to CRPGs than to modern RPG slop. They are also working on Dark Heresy and at least one unknown project based on the same foundationI'd rather have an “outdated” game once a year or two than “modern” slop that even wasn't finished in eight years
>>558130409what do you consider modern slop? skyrim? Bg3 was pretty deep, it just had actual cutscenes and good graphics
bait
>>558130572>Bg3 was pretty deepNta but bg3 was deep in some areas and shallow in others, which is fine, I like the game, but it's a very simple gameMost of its depth comes from interactivity (fly, read minds, jump down in the underdark) and how well the game reacts to player actions in dialogue.
babe it's 4pm time for your daily UPhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/170596
Which outfits fits the best? She's a squire in service of a dragon hunting noble.
>>558130572>Bg3 was pretty deepIt's 5e slop with shitty Larian gimmicky gameplay. They literally made the same game over and over again since Dos1 and each time it got worse and worse.> actual cutscenes and good graphicsBut with a completely non-existent story and characters.>>558130710>how well the game reacts to player actions in dialogue.This is the facade. The vast majority of choices and options have literally no impact, and many of them don't even have unique voice lines. Apart from these annoying OC playthroughs that Larian really wants to make a thing, BG3 doesn't really have much replayability. There are a couple of significant choices in the game, but they have absolutely no impact on the narrative and often it's just a choice between an unfinished path and an even more unfinished path (the entire Act 2)
>>558130775Terrible, I like to take my time for comfy immersion sim shit, I don't want pressure of this kind
>>558130923middle
>>558130941>This is the facade. The vast majority of choices and options have literally no impactThat's the case for all crpgs, including owlcat games and old bg gamesIt's a confinement of the medium, the devs can only make a finite amount of plotlines for the player, unlike a DM who can just wing it (and even a real life DM will try to shove things back into the plot he had prepared for)
>>558130224Real ones make it look ANIME. This is an elder scrolls image because the troll is drinking mazte
>>558130941>worse and worseyou're just a contrarian tranny who hangs out in discord too much. Bg3 is Larian's best gamemorrowtroons really are something else
>>558130107stop loving Khajit
>>558130923>a squiremiddle if you ditch the mask and can get rid of the pauldrons. I dont believe squires normally fought so she wouldnt be as armored.
>>558131228start loving hooves
>>558131043>That's the case for all crpgsThe difference is that everyone can't stop praising BG3 for this shit that just isn't there. Like, no one tries to sell Owlcat games by saying they have a bunch of choices and options in quest. It's power fantasy, build autism, and solid story.>>558131159BG3 is literally just 5e slop with Larian combat that everyone already got tired of in Dos2. It's just a game for people who don't play video games, the same as Skyrim and other modern Bethesda games I guess.
>>558131361absolutely not
>>558130107my khajiigga>>558130923middle acute
>>558131436>for this shit that just isn't thereIt is there, I distinctly remember pickpocketing a gnome holding us hostages with a bomb, and her realizing mid conversation it had been stolen and freaking out.Owlcat certainly doesn't do that, you cannot even pickpocket at all in fact, let alone have consequences for itIt's several steps above Owlcat games in terms of interactivity, and I say it as someone who enjoys Owlcat games much more (better combat, better writing, better music, etc etc)
>>558126138Thrud wearing this when?https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/172910
>>558131529no middle chronic
>>558131714you know, I might as well post a bunch of nudes in the /aco/ threadwill save us both time and me the effort of installing and running that thing through BS
>>558131673You gave an example of something obvious that the developers thought about, and there aren't many of those. If it were an Owlcat game, you would simply be able to steal the bomb by passing a skill check in a dialogue window. It's very easy to break BG3 just by using abilities as intended. On my first playthrough, I literally softlocked the game by simply teleporting past the mandatory character. It was very amusing, the cutscenes simply played without several NPCs, so I had a guy fighting with air.
why do i have to build outfits with zeroed sliders in bodyslide why don't they just come as built with zeroed sliders by default
>>558132121everyone is still pretending that OBody doesn't exist
>>558121257>Sleep Edition
>>558132121armors you specifically have to build after installing them don't come packed with pre-built meshes in the first placethis is done to keep file size of downloads smallerbuilding them zeroed is your conscious decision, if you wish to utilize OBody
>>558129896It's a shame Rimworld is so poorly optimised but being careful with what mods you install can help a lot, even without performance fish.>>558130107Cat>>558130224>your list looks kind of zoomeryThanks?>>558131436I've tried to complete BG3 several times but I always end up completely bored by act 3. I think it's because I don't really care about any of the party characters.
>walk along north shore of Skyrim>game keeps freezing at one particular spot>no crash log
>>558132764>game keeps freezing it's really cold up there
>>558132752>I've tried to complete BG3 several times but I always end up completely bored by act 3Everything after the first act is broken and unfinished. It's the same problem as Dos2. They initially released the first act, and it was very good, but during development, they completely changed the story and cut out huge chunks and entire locations. BG3 is so difficult to finish because the story that was established in the first act was flushed down the toilet and replaced with the crap they threw together in a hurry.
>>558132121very rarely they do
>>558131867That works.
>>558132389Still waiting for this >>557558565
>>558132764the tullius logger is the only one that catches freezes I'm afraid. That being said freezes are often script ldeadlocks or behaviour issues.
>>558133078>>558133183how do I escape my obligations like a distressed black father?
>>558132752Screenshots of her stretching?
I think I like a petite body better for her. That being said she wouldn't be my player character but rather a follower but if I recall correctly LazyFollowers has a few issues? But I don't like working with the CS, either.Would be neat if I could turn the obsession with creating faces into something productive.
Will I see any gainz in Skyrim if I finally bite the bullet and install this shit? I've currently got a 5800x. It's been sitting on my shelf since /rwg/ pitched to me months back and then I exploded my arm while it was in the mail.
>>558133363Say you will do it later until I get tired of asking about it.
I suppose she would be somewhat dopey and naive. Not necessarily stupid but would probably be scammed and hoodwinked all the time.
>>558133634I have the game on main menu, but I don't have any ideas
>>558133497it's possible, IF you're currently having an actual CPU bottleneck
>>558132971You might be right, I never finished Dos1 either and only completed Dos2 because I was playing it with a friend.>>558133419Haven't been taking any new screenshots because I gave up on fixing my GPU issues.
>>558133493LazyFollowers has issues but it is usable. Add some antialiasing so your pictures stops being a mess of pixels in hair area.
I was going through the Gunslicer poses, and a bunch had invisible props and a bunch were just static floating crucifixion. Is that normal?
>>558134116>invisible propsaren't those for having weapons out?>bunch were just static floating crucifixionthose are allegedly placeholderswhy aren't they at the end, but all over the set is not explained
>>558134116Not sure about the invisible props, but the floating ones are normal.
>>558134116No, you are probably missing animobjects esp for it.
>>558133707Does she have a house? Just show her relaxing in it.
>>558134214>>558134227>>558134259I could see a lot of props, like chairs and books and stuff, but a few seemed like a prop should be there.
>>558134259>animobjects espwtf where do you get that?
CS bros we have new water:https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/172959
>>558133850What a shame.
>>558134490Maybe GS didn't attached it. If you know name of anim you can check for it in text file used for generating behavior data. It is in folder with animation files.>>558134510Its just esp what comes with animation mod, can be whatever name. Modders usually call it "[Modname]_animobjects.esp".
This game doesn't have enough fucking axes. There isn't a single unique one handed axe model in vanilla and mods don't do much for that issue either.No I don't want the fucking GoW axe.
>>558135540I thought you were playing Gothic 2 Night of The Raven for a second
>>558135540Show her wearing a lore friendly bikini armor.
>>558135629>lore friendly bikini armor.
>>558135585I'm not neurodivergent or German enough for that.>>558135629Is such a thing even possibru?
>>558135702https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/165770
>>558135753
>>558135824Bimbomer...
>>558135753who the fuck is the target audience for that baboon ass of a mouth?
>>558135753Pass.>>558135920It's not about how it looks, but think about how it would feel...
>>558135920I don't want to know.>>558136029Coward.
>>558135540finding some good maces is hard too
>>558136080I might post her in the boots.>>558136130Real. But at least in vanilla you have a unique mace with Molag Bals.
>>558136296>Real. But at least in vanilla you have a unique mace with Molag Bals.true but that thing is terrible. Both in appearance and enchantment
>>558131992>You gave an example of something obvious that the developers thought aboutNo shit anon? The limitation of the medium is that the devs need to manually put in every interaction beforehand, and this won't change until AI becomes good enough to act as an active DM
>>558135540These might fit your style.https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/164553
I love when I find an unexpected quiet place.>>558136468It's a bit zany but to be honest I think it's kinda tuff, at least as a display piece...
>>558136919Oh wow, that is actually perfect. They're ornate and look special, and since this is just for IED really that's exactly what I need!Thank you.
>>558136921l-lewd...
>>558137108Not even, you're just horny!
>>558134432I will go home once I make sure the OAR update isn't bricking anything
Say something nice about my wife.
>>558137650wrong game brehbut good pick
>>558135753>>558135824Yes I do think this does look pretty good, the mouth is a bit on the bigger side, but it's mostly fine.
>>558137401Well... I'll give you that one.>>558137564I'll take your silence as a No to my earlier question
>>558135920You know how much alterationjobs cost in this economy? You can't find a good mage in Skyrim anymore.
>>558137754I'm sorry, I'm retarded, I don't know what was the questionjust link it, please
>>558137754<3
>>558137921I was offering to make your follower for you. I just need a few things from you >>558126638
>>558137068Nice happy to help.I always use the war axe for The Axe of Whiterun badge of honor Balgruuf gives you when you become thane.
>>558137976Oh, nevermind then, I don't trust others with my waifu, now fuck off and don't ask again
>>558137976oh, I'm not ghosting you,, I'm going over and trying to gather all the stuff you would needoverlays, hair, teeth and suchalready have breast veins baked into the diffuse texturenot sure if I want her with scars thoughhair she rocks is that modified SMP wig from DINT's packthis whole thing is such a patchwork
>>558138337I didn't believe for a second that was him.>>558138412Cool. I won't be able to sit down and do it for a couple days, but if you want to DM it to me we can talk more details.
>>558138337hold on, who the fuck are you?
the thought of someone unironically talking shit to people on your behalf when you're not here is going to haunt me from now on
>>558138337thisYvanigga just wants to grab his homebrewed preset
>>558138862My collection is growing.
>>558139071oh I sure want that one
>>558139165Skelka is done, but she has no outfit yet. I left that for Snakestone to handle since she has a more custom mashup. I only made the NPC and baked the bodypaint onto her skin dds.
do your dindu
>he's impersonating again
>>558139651it was one post. chill the fuck out
>>558139575way ahead of you
>>558139748what do they eat?
>>558139946eachother
>>558139748how do I season my LODs, Spiderman?
>>558139732It was one post this time because you the impersonator instantly got caught out.
>>558140002wrong, I'm telling you to chill out instead of starting shit
>>558139996Dyndolod and Lodgen have settings for seasons. Generating lod for seasons will increase the amount of time it takes to generate lod though, as if dyndolod wasn't a big pain in the ass already. If you didn't know, you use lodgen to generate terrain lod because dyndolod doesn't do terrain, oddly enough.
>>558140219Nta but never used lodgen, do I just run it after dindu?
>>558134965I need to give that mod a better try later, or at least a proper one. I'm still running simplicity of sea and when I ran both it was. Not very good.. Maybe I'm retarded an did it wrong.
>>558140336doesn't really matter, you can run it before or after
>>558140217>I started shit but watch me try to shift the blame on the people who caught meI know your game, faggoid.
>>558140219I can do seasonal LOD but I got stuck on seasonal grass LODjust above my pay grade or something
>>558140515I tried grass lod once and couldn't figure it out. I hear it can take a long time to generate and I'm constantly changing my mods around. I can live without it.
>contentcat new mod has no BHUNP supporthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkObgKrscpk
Anons wonder why when someone posts they attach a picture.>NOOOOOOOOOO MUH AVATARFAGGINGIf it wasn't for niggers, they wouldn't need to do that.
>>558139448Kjora wearing this when?https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/172456
>>558141317That's pretty hot actually. I'm sleeping soon, but I'll download it for later, thanks
is Wayard Realms supposed to be like Daggerfall on steroids?Everything I've seen seems to indicate it's basically procgen all the way down.Also they apparently dropped UE5 and went to make an in-house engine.Kinda unheard of these days. >inb4 why are you asking in a TES general?don't be that guy
Why does dindu give a fuck wether I cleaned my game files or notWhats it to him
>>558141703It's just looking for a reason to not run
>>558141703I never cleaned my plugins and dyndu never gave me shit for it
>>558141703He's a busybody fag.
Anyone have the links to the dint hair packs? Also does the dint pack include male hairstyles?
>>558140342I booted up the game with it and it seemed to look alot better then water mod, although there was tiling and LOD issues so I'm doing my dindu right now
>>558141901dinty slop is on a discord. I'll spare you the humiliation:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ceNyhzqFswHs5Ik9PHo0By2R2HguMPXM/view?usp=drive_link
Bros, I think I like looking at female feet a bit too much
>Skyblivion dev stream is LIVE, chat and everything>"This was originally broadcast over on twitch/devsname">didn't even crop out the 10 minute waiting roomwhat is the fucking point?someone save my braincells
>>558133497>>558133821I went ahead and just did it. For some reason the audio sounds much richer, but I wasn't shitting my game up with a ton of high poly tongs so I doubt I'm gonna get frames. I wonder if it will shave a minute or two off my dinduing.
>>558133497I'm running a 7600x and my CPU get's raped by Skyrim so yeah go for it>>558142374wtf? you get shit skyrim audio too and upgrading the CPU fixed it? well shit I guess I'm upgrading...
>>558141647yes it's meant to be a modern version of daggerfall
>>558142104Thanks chief. I hope it has some good male hairstyles.
>>558142374more powerful CPU would usually help you with things like script lag and physics calculationsreally OP one could give you few more frames concerning GPU draw call queue, but that doesn't seem to be your problem
>>558142343Twitch is a terrible place to keep your recorded streams
>>558142590np, I don't know if the hair records are male enabled though
>>558142374x3d cpus help with drawcalls, shitty angles are present in vanilla too you just don't notice it usually
>>558142529Well, I had to get a compatible motherboard and DDR5 RAM too. Could be one of those or just process of upgrading (e.g., new BIOS with new settings).>>558142594I didn't really have a problem per se, at least not with Skyrim. I bought the thing to get more ticks in rimworld, which I haven't played since.>>558142827Well we'll see. I do get very occasional framerate drops.
>>558143075I already have a high end mobo (asrock B650e taichi lite) + DDR5 RAM and get Skyrim shit audiothe only reason I got a w/e CPU like the 7600x was because I was still under the impression games were still like 10 years ago where the CPU didn't matter because every game was massively GPU bottlenecked anyway
>>558142708I'll figure it out, thanks.
How's SexLabpP+? I'm using classic SL with Utilities plus but the scenes take ages to start animating. I don't remember it being this bad before.
>>558144005Dependence on usage. If you just want to play anims its ok.
>>558144005are you using papyrus tweaks ng? it's basically a soft requirement if you read the utility plus page
>>558144239I do want to use some SL mods, currently looking for romance stuff. Dunno if I want bakaDialogue because that one seems like a hot mess.but I got baka's harassment and approach as well as defeat. That's the rapey part done but I do want something wholesome as well.>>558144274>papyrus tweaks ngYeah, I got that one.
my CS water is looking good.......
>>558137564why on earth frogs?
>>558143075Sen lewds?
Has technology went too far?https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/172754
>>558143075Look at that thigh gap, damn.
>>558144974only homos cure Serana
>>558144587Most of SL mod things should work but I personally miss furniture framework. And after trying out p+ found out I fucking hate custom UI's, at least for Sexlab.
>>558145029I remember women from my workplace talked about this specific thing, they'd absolutely kill to have legs like that for some reason.
>>558145064Trvke
>>558144587is bSpeedUpNativeCalls set to true? this is what makes the animations load quickly
>>558145064Truth nuke. Straight men want to have sex with vampire women, because the monster is on the outside.
>>558145351>bSpeedUpNativeCallswhere is this supposed to be?
Nice, a dukla outfit that doesn't immediately clip right through the tits for busty waifus.
>>558145351No it wasn't, I set it to true. Gonna test SL later to see if that helps.>>558145498In overwrite if you use MO, was looking for it but couldn't find it in the mod folder. I think there's an optional download with only the ini on the mod page if that bothers you.
>>558141778>>558141798>>558141873Ok guys I'm not joking, it wants me to clean EVERY cc file or it refuses to workWhat the fuck do I do? Is there a setting to make dindu ignore stuff like this?I installed it years ago the last time and had no such issues
>>558145536Conversion monkeys have learned to remove body vertices under clothing?
>>558145498the papyrus tweaks ng ini
>>558145637>>558145825man, I wonder how many of these SKSE plugin fixes that don't do half of the shit they can do out of the box I've got installed right now...
>>558140336Terrain LOD matters for object LOD optimization so it needs to be done before DynDOLOD, RTFM https://dyndolod.info/Generation-Instructions
why
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64442is only applied when sitting down right? for some reason when walking around some heels are clipping through the ground and i can't figure out what's missing.
>>558146319Some High heels missing proper offset configuration. Mu Joint Fix can also affect it.
>>558145351dude this thing and setting iMaxOpsPerFrame to 1000 wiped out my animation script lag my game was so fucked I was waiting 10 seconds to open a loading screen door and now it's instantwhy the fuck isn't this an ALL CAPS PSA in the OP?
waifus ?
>>558147019she looks like she smells like shit
>>558147118wrong
>>558146319That should fix all heel and scale stuff. Are the heels built correctly in bodyslide? If they're built flat for whatever reason that might cause your issue. I had a problem for a while where I had somehow built the bare feet with a heel.
>>558147019yes
floaty fish
>>558144626ENB can save you right now.>>558147019Are currently on hold. It's husbando time.
>>558147427Alright, AIsbando then
Molag Ball is a fag and letting him have dibs on your soul is gay and letting him have Serana's soul is cucked.There's no real benefit to being a vampire, it's for weaklings and dimwits actually.
>>558147412Today I got caught one fish floating vertically at Solitude's docks.
>>558144626Is the newest JCS super fast for everyone else? I can run it without upscaling now for some reason.
>>558147265Seems to be a running theme with your characters
>>558147019caked up waifus...
>Molag Chud>>558147689if there were another easy-to-obtain method of immortality, or atleast longevity I'd take it. but using Molag Chud's AIDs is the only way>>558147826haven't tried yet. I'm trying to make my water not look like shit but it seems impossible for CS
>>558147826those builds were full of bullshit that he never bothered fixing, if he started doing some cleaning he must be close to merging with the main branch
>>558147942Take more screenshots before you decide to change her again.
>>558147905is the thread getting a bit too peaceful for you?
>>558148421It's more that he's jealous over what he himself cannot manage to do, and the success others get doing said thing.
>>558148035There are other ways to attain immortality and all TRVE NORDS have immortality built in.
>>558148717what are the other forms?also being drunks forever isn't a valid form of immortality
>>558148421>>558148665it's just banter, don't be upset. I do think they look smelly though
>>558148810You can just be like "I'm immortal, I decided" in TES.
>>558146919this might be the issue. i have mu joint fix as well but it still happens from time to time? how would one go about fixing the offset? guessing going into xedit for the problematic heels/boots?>>558147327idk, i noticed sometimes the offset is applied correctly, but sometimes when loading the game they just clip through the ground until i reload or after enough time has passed. checked resaver and don't have any orphaned scripts or heavy loads.
>>558149153I don't think that's how it works
>>558148810https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Walking_Ways
>>558148717Anyone else ever, you know..
>>558149356it's exact same mechanics as getting superpowers in Matrix
I was playing and had an issue....How do I know or test if my GPU is dying again????I experienced a crash on a game as well as it's for some reason getting to like mid 80s temp wise. Then I was on something as simple as browser and there were some visual glitches like letters swapped in places they shouldnt be. I tested with furmark for like 5 minutes, no artifacts.
Man, vigilants are being real assholes in this save. Do one little thing for sheogorath and suddenly I've got multiple death squads after me (yes, I know it's a part of Skyrim Reputation). I've never even USED the wabbajack yet.They've jumped me several times in and around Lake Illinalta and they also killed Anise as I was approaching her cabin. Sure, she's a witch, but they don't know that.Glad they're about to get vamp'd.
>>558150125>I know it's a part of Skyrim Reputationit is?I know hunted by factions is in Extended Encountersdidn't know Reputation had it too
>>558131498Why did you make your game look like OG Oblivion?
I'll have two kwama eggs small, a kwama egg large, a saltrice with extra fire salt, a scrib jelly, two guar hides, one with Sload soap, and a large sujamma.
I don't want LOTD or Immersive Armor but I want the Daedric Lord armor.
>>558150578I read it in his voice
>>558150310The moment you start learning the slightest bit of conjuration (or are just a dunmer/orc) they send you threats via courier. It's also a part of EE as well like you said, so maybe that's why I'm getting so many of them.
>>558147689Just don't die lmao
>>558149502this looks like non-sense>>558150507I miss OG Oblivion
>>558144827I thought that was pretty lewd already, bwo.>>558145029>>558145245>for some reasonA mystery for the ages.>>558148035Just git gud at magic.
>>558150125>>558150310>>558150970they're so dumb. honestly who's to say if they're not being influenced by the daedric artifacts themselves? considering how easily swayed they are in vigilant and even easily becoming thralls for a group of vampires in a mine. they're pretty useless.>>558150578jej
>>558151321non-sense is the very fabric of reality in TEShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M
I'm looking for ideas on retextures for this dress.
Testing this out now but it seems like it might be a good alternative to the Face Discoloration Fix modhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/172584
>>558151867>doing everything but solving the problem at the source
>>558151867Nope, I was wrong. Saw a few npcs with that issue
>>558151508Show her doing that cobra yoga pose.
>>558151724Is there a white version of it?
>>558144005Utilities plus is what causing the long loads. I've swapped it out for SL Scaler since it did what I needed from utilities and my load times range from 1-3 seconds.
>>558152353You got a number for that?
>Zaric is streaming in a suit with cut hair nature is healing>>558152505nope, just that one, black, red/black and brown
>>558147019Kämpfe für den SiegÜber DunkelheitFolge deinem TraumVon GerechtigkeitDu kannst es tunOh, Sailor Moon
>>558152747
>>558147019yfus>>558152726>cut hairthank goodness
>>558152725I can try to find one. Which pose pack do you have?
>>558152726Do I have to link a texture? A white and a light blue would be great. Maybe yellow too.
>>558152909Du, die Dunkelheit, um die es hier geht
>>558153136I think I found a couple in Halo's already, actually.
>>558152969whatever happened to that anon with the blue fox waifu that did funny things with trolls?
>>558153302>Do I have to link a texture?a non-shit picture of the kind of print/pattern you have on mind would be enoughdoesn't have to be tiling-ready (seamless) but it sure helps, if it's something super complex
>>558153748idkI hope the not-mikasanon will show up again someday soon thoughever
>>558153334Im so tired of these dumb big titty whores./teslg/ content when
>>558151649it's a shame that this is his only good song
>>558152969Hey you, you know that cute picture you posted praying at the shrine recently? What pose and what pack was it from?
>>558151724ideas meaning you're gonna make a retexture?make a cow pattern one then give it to patty
>>558153759Like this?
>>558154001Probably once I'm done dicking around with UBE
>>558154894well, it has textile pattern in the normal map already, if you just wanted it to be plain white, just say so
>>558155057hatto too big...
>>558149263>guessing going into xeditWorse, going to NifSkope and OutfitStuido.
>>558155179HERESY
>>558155176Yes, plain white, light blue and yellow. Nothing fancy comes to mind right now and I don't want to post meme images.
>>558152353
>>558155179Too big you say?
>>558155780
>>558155473Very nice.
>>558152726why the fuck is he bleaching everyone's inventory?
>>558151508>>558155473what are her thoughts on feetplay?
>>558155365
say something nice about Zaric's waifu
Is there a way to get slider info from a built mesh?For example I've done some fine tuning on an armor in bodyslide and forgot what I did but still have the built mesh here.Any way to extract the slider settings?
>>558139651>>558140002>>558140504>againnow there's an impersonator stealing my antics, that's one gimmick you don't want to become normalized but if you keep speaking the name into existence it will be
is this a safe place to discuss eso or are you going to slap my ass for mentioning it
>>558157407Good job. Will something like this work?
>>558158004she's not bad, could definitely use some work. I never understood why he never used an enb.
>>558156768>Is that some kind of martial art?
Does anyone remember that mod that added a transparency effect to characters and enabled you to see their skeleton? I remember someone posted it a couple of months ago.
>>558158446I'm going to beat you with a hammer.>>>/vm/tesog/
Holy fuck I totally forgot I had lumis on this entire time. I just encountered another "player" for the first time. That's some trippy shit.
>>558159048Frozen Electrocuted Combustion
>>558159308No, not that one. It was a more subtle effect and purely cosmetic for the player character.
>>558158004Usually he himself tries to be the waifu, with middling results
>>558159026no such thing as innocent dunmer, they're all sluts
>>558158004>Zharic plays mainly Skyrim and managed to overcome his agp fetish>MickeyD plays Morrowind and is already past recoveryThe memes write themselves
>>558158004Loses points for no hooves
Is scrimshaw expanded for hunterporn really the only primitive crafting mod?
I found that mod. U all suckhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/5197
>>558160993why would anyone want that I want to reanimate bandits and then fuck them
>>558161128nta but mods so Ostim scenes work on my thralls (I will pair it with undead fx so I fuck literal skellies btw)
>>558158297>Is there a way to get slider info from a built mesh?none that I know ofnot without .tri file, noyou have to understand that "sliders" are just vector of spatial coordinates for groups of vertices>wtf does that mean?vertices are the points on the 3D model that give it shapeslider acts like an animation timeline, it governs where the given point is in terms of spatial coordinates, except there is no time involvedthe .nif file only stores base valuethe .tri file stores the range>>558158546?>>558159026*Marital art
>>558161221Reminds me of my very first character on SSE after switching from LE. A cannibal necromancer lizzer who would eat, resurrect and fuck the prettiest bandit and forsworn chicks he could find.It got old pretty quick.
>>558161643So, do you know an Ostim mod or not?>It got old pretty quick.It's fine, the playtrough is not completely centered around it
>>558161221>>558162228>Ostim Lmao sorry but the dead can't give consent so it's unethical. You'll have to use based sexalbs for that.
>>558160169That's nonsense invented by las creaturas de alta piedra who have never even met one.>>558161429kek
>>558162471achsually dead actors cannot be animated at all, even on sexlab they come back to life briefly and merely pretend to be dead
>>558162708necromancy is a thing so that makes perfect sense
What do we think of this version of Serana?
>>558162920Trash. Could work as Valerica.
>>558162708How can that be possible when I literally see them running around, even casting spells?
>>558161429It turned out pretty good.
>>558162920She's ok but she has a bit of a schoozerI considered her but preferred Nihility Series Serana in the end
>>558163140they are not really dead, just putting up a show
>>558163237why Hawaiian print of all things, though?
>>558163342Dunno lol. Maybe I wanted to see a summer dress with the wrong flower.
>>558163618you were braver than mostI'm going to try out that cow print other anon suggested and then I'm basically outlooks like /tesg/ is creatively bankrupt today
>>558164504didn't even know you were asking. maybe try vertical stipes? maybe make it compatible with dye manager so it can be whatever color is chosen?
>ginger ale tastes like gingerdoes this man have no concept of someone never tasting something?I don't fucking know what ginger tastes like
>>558165059What thread was this supposed to be posted in?
>>558164504If its for the bikinis, various tops depicting hands grabbing the breasts. The various races, skeleton hands, and werewolf for those kind of waifus
>>558165035>maybe make it compatible with dye managerI would have to learn how to do that
>they're spending their weekend trying to decorate dresses for their dolliescan we at least pretend we're not transitioning
>>558165598I'm never transitioning. Unless...
>>558165598stfu cunt
UP!https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/173085
>>558165598>tryingGuess again lil nikka. I never fail or give up. My dress is excellency manifest.
>>558166650I've uploaded some small and shitty mods, but none quite so small and shitty as this.
>>558165598you want me to go out and "have fun" buying overpriced as fuyck drinks for mindbroken thots, who stare at their phone all night, so that I might end up choking one out in my bed and then never hear from her again?is this your idea of "fun"?
>>558165598>they're spending their weekend trying to decorate dresses for their dolliesFilename related
so tesg im thinking of playing skyrim for the first time, what fraction do i join? blues or reds?
>>558167417>so that I might end up choking one out in my bedthat is an oddly specific thing to say how many girls have you choked out?
>>558124636I'm working on it
>>558168195I think 6?I mean, straight up ask you to do itit's downright off-putting how many women are into that shit >men only want one thing and it's disgusting
>>558168351you're the only one who could say this and I would believe it due to the ratio of male to females in your country. It must be very easy to get laid as long as you're not a short manlet
Been away from Skyrim for over a year. Everything still works with SE 1.5.97, yeah?Also, any new textures or texture packs worth looking at? I'm not looking for hyper 8K mega hi def parallax, just something that looks nice and doesn't look out of place. Mainly for big stuff like mountains, cities, landscapes, etc. On that note what about trees and grass?
>>558168721>Everything still works with SE 1.5.97, yeah?Yup, nothing changed
>>558168721I will never move on from 1.5.97. I think you can actually download CC content from newer updates and drop it in your game too.So It's like why would you ever bother updating?
>>558124127>SophieNew character? What's her story?
>10 hours ago
>>558168601>ratio of male to females in your countryI'm not really sure what are you getting at over there, the female surplus in 20-30 age group is like ~50K for each year, in a 150 million pop country...
The question is "why would you downgrade" because normal people don't play the same Skyrim install for 10+ years.
>>558168601>>558169154actually, scratch that, there is a MALE surplus in that decade lmao
>>558168351>it's downright off-putting how many women are into that shitmy theory is rape was the norm 100k years ago so girls evolved to lowkey enjoy it. The majority of women want to be treated with respect but not in bed and if you're too nice in bed it's a turn off to them
>>558169297>rape was the norm 100k years agotry 100 years ago
>>558169297Women want someone who is dangerous but nice to them. That's why they're attracted to criminals and pitbulls, they want a low impulse aggressive monkey where SHE is the special exception to the behavior
hello, i'm an incel on 4chan and i know what girls want>clueless
>>558169081>New character? What's her story?- Pugs lectures Sophies mother that bringing her into the world of prostitution is wrong- Moved by Pugs words she decides to stop being a whore and wants a better life for her daughter- Unable to find any other work, she makes a deal with Rusty. Sophie can work on the farm and in return the mother will stay as a cow.
>>558169795you are a man and you've just admitted you've never played Skyrim despite polluting this fucking place for a decadewhat say you in your defense?
>>558169795just because you're transitioning doesn't mean you know what real women want we all know your waifu is what you want to look like irl now go back to spamming /fog/
>>558169936i have never left this room
>>558170049How does she eat?
>>558169914
>>558169914>>558170110
>>558170049look at those NFL linemen shoulders lol post her bulge pics again
>>558169795It's the second life phenomenom where people who associate with their idealized avatar too much start to pretend they're like that themselvesYou go ask the crustiest, fattest sounding boomer on second life and he will insist that yes he does actually have a 12 inch dick and does look a lot like his 6'9, 5% bodyfat 2/3/4/5 powerlifter character full of tats, and he will insist that he's fucking girls every week even if you can smell his legs rotting away from diabetes through the monitor
There is legitimately nothing wrong with waifus fucking werewolves.
New mountain textures: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/173116
>>558170476what about regular wolves?
myth used to be a proud futafag but then he got bullied so now he doesn't post her bulge any more what a sissy
>>558170476>>558170620Waifus would never!
>>558170476
>>558170942post her bald
>>558158416>anime villainlol is that a threat you pathetic retard?
>>558171010her bald
>>558171114
>>558155057ngl I did this look
I just wanted to see some waifus
>>558171420you haven't seen some waifus?
>>558171420You always post the same 2 or 3
>>558171010why?
>>558170942This hairstyle looks way better.
>>558171420>Seen any waifus?>Hahahaha
So whats the course of action if about 1 in 4 of the saves I make are instant CTD on load?Can't even properly diagnose a problem because CrashLogger outputs incomplete useless 1kb crash logs. And FallRim ReSaver shows no errors with the save.
>>558165598There's nothing wrong with me dressing up my characterI like to make her pretty and cute
>>558169914Damn that sure is one hell of a story
>>558171785Start a new game.
>>558170942I'm afraid to say it but it looks like she's wearing a wig
>>558165598I'm skipping that part and going straight to suicide
>>558170942i liked the big hair. matches the bimbo look she has better.
>>558165598I'm installing Game of Thrones dragon replacers actually
>>558171114>threatI have no clue what you're talking about, I'm just saying the more attention you bring to a troll like that it's going to cause problems if more people start to do it, but whatever I could care less. that wasn't me earlier btw but now that you've mentioned me.....here I am
>>558170582unimpressive texture work
it's all coming together....>>558172110agreed, idk why it's so hard for people to make hair that looks like hair>>558172221I'm trying out other styles. I do miss the big 80s hair though
>>558172471you shut your whore mouth
>>558172471Yeah when I checked the mod page over it's apparently "remastered" vanilla mountains. My bad.
I'm in fact better than you because I play Morrowind instead of Skyrim.
>doesn't deny the bimbo look part
>>558171561You never post any.
Dear slutwear experts, what armor is this?
I have bimbo Lydia manage the moon sugar farmright call?
>>558172882unpractical armor number 568
>>558172882Gotchu https://arca.live/b/tullius/161865763?category=%EC%9D%98%EC%83%81&p=1
The animated ships boat replacer mod is nice but guy needs to work on the NPC placement. Poor cat and goat are floating.
>>558173000it's practical if you use it for its intended purpose
>>558172959why don't you get some actual farm tools
>>558173000I didn't ask, realismfag. Women in combat roles is peak unpractical and unrealistic.>>558173072Thank you kindly.
>>558173118I hired a bunch of nord farm hands but the lazy fucks just stand around all dayI don't know where to get some good argonian slaves
>>558172057Same problem
>>558172520have you seen https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/172939?tab=description ? the short hair might work for her.
>>558173072hey BB
Naked wrestling with Uthgerd in her bed because she gave me a spare key to her house.
>>558172520We succeeded at tricking you into giving her a worse hairdo.
>>558173784I'll try out:>>558173367then probably go back to the dinty slop
>>558173784https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D-4zgezQE4
>>558173115>get mod when it first came out>muh immersion>doing some random quest mod that has an island town out in the sea somewhere>talking to one of the locals>behind them I see a boat just casually sailing through the townFisherman in skyrim are just built different.
What was the last mod you uninstalled /tesg/
>>558174052wet function redux because it kept bricking my saves.
>>558174052MSFF. Its neat but I'm waiting to see if the mod author will make it so you can assign the different ai packages to certain npcs.
>>558170110holy shit I knew it reminded me of something but I couldn't place what exactlypoor Shavo was benchwarming until this moment, thank you
>>558174052Sassy SnW Retexture, complete trash.
>>558174052showracemenu alternative. author just uploaded an ng version that fixed some of its issues.https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/173086?tab=description
>>558174025wew, yeah I got a bridge that connects the Morthal swamp and Solitude that has a ship going straight through it.>>558174052Bretic Boats and Ships, it was nice but too much clutter from randoms mods were floating on the sides of the ships, had to go with the dudes nordic boat mod.
>>558174449You can use both, no need to uninstall. I like the worldspace Alternative it adds.
>>558173367nah, this ain't it
>>558174052Probably the Raynia follower.
ah, this hair just feels right
>>558174052High quality ivy, I got like 5 fps back in areas with a lot of flora
>>558174571huh, go figure. that's nice at least. the lighting was pretty good in it. glad i didn't run my game yet lol.>>558174983this too, also noticed it would cover the top portion of doorways sometimes.
>>558174925#FreeLerche
>>558174925I like her with a bun
>>558174606Looks fine >>558174925...
>>558174925Such a big breastplate for such a small woman
>>558175242come on. Lerche is worth more than THAT.
>>558175242Lerche is a valued and well treated associate of futafu enterprises>>558175480she looks like a karen with that hair>>558175346which one was that?
>>558174052I uninstalled a bunch of those Quest Expansion mods along with the Follower Dialogue Expansions. Just trying to keep things in my mod setup a bit simpler since I rarely do most of those quests and never use any of the vanilla followers.
>>558175829she finally killed it...
Lerche! No!
>>558171785repair all your microsoft redistributables for starters. do that and reboot. that will help with the bad dll calls from busted distribs. fix those and more works when doing calls.everyone goes on about load order and conflicts nobody ever mentions keeping the foundation working.
>>558175829>Lerche is a valued and well treated associate of futafu enterprisesBut she has a cow to take care of,
do your dindu! also why are my teeth fucked up?>>558176368sorry, I don't have the Patty DLC installed yet
>>558175829Lerche is only useful as a decoy.https://litter.catbox.moe/p3q2i8q06b3kt83y.mp4>>558174052I don't believe in uninstalling mods.
>vanilla follower location awareness: “black reach is truly magnificent to behold”>modded follower location awareness “holy shit we’re in blackreach again do all Dwemer ruins lead here eventually, is that a crimson nirnroot that looks like a bitch to collect, OMG is that a giant I wonder why it was over here in the first place, hey Dragonborn why don’t you try shouting at the sun orb and see what happens you know just for funnsies”I have no idea why every popular follower mod is like this, people complain that there isn’t a 30 hour angst backstory to every follower but now I just hope they shut up and let me fill the blanks in their backstory.
>>558175829this one I think>>558171592
>Philips screw Zelda
>>558176518>do your dindu!too lazy and I know it will yell at me about 20 things in my load order instead of just putting the fucking textures in the bag.
>>558176586you treat her infinitely worse then me hoof-haver>>558176758that one is Tullius #12. it's pretty good but a little frazzled
Five years ago on this day, I began making and posting the character that would eventually be named Raynia.Happy Horn-iversary, /tesg/.
>>558174052all my adult mods
>>558176981what a nice schnoz.
>>558174052Amorous Adventures, I wanted to see what all the fuz about this mod was about since it was so popular but every piece of dialogue and story rewrite was retarded and it kept crashing because the custom quests were so buggy
>>558176586what the fuck
>>558177298she's 100% Breton
>>558177659It was promised to her 2 eras ago, I'm sure.
>>558177056Congrats, Horns anon!
>>558176637sounds like you use anbeeslop and reddit remiel
>>558177056oh, you thought you could avoid this shit forever, didn't you?
>>558178234UGH
>>558178234
yummy...>>558178234I hate it when this happens
>>558177380skill issue
>>558178657what do flame atronachs taste like?
>>558176586lmao why that dead forsworn was sliding away
>>558178657>no burn damage while doing it
>>558130107No one ever talks about how it's Cat Ur day, something always happens halfway through
>stands around doing nothingI need better farming equipment....>>558178776spicy>>558178991fix your fire res
New JPSteel mod: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/173074"Adds a Character Menu to Skyrim, inspired by Oblivion Remastered. Easily access your character's details, skills, factions and stats. Comes with its own class attribution system, bringing back the original 21 Oblivion classes in an unintrusive way."
>>558177056Happy Recorporialization-from-the-Dark-Waters-of-Oblivion day!
>>558179224wow I was waiting for something like this for a long time, especially the part that shows your current effects
>>558177056Hand her over. It's time.
>>558179224I'm waiting for the PrismaUI based complete UI + Inventory overhaul
>>558176586How am I supposed to feel about this?
>>558179224holy browngender!
>>558179053here's your cat bro...
>>558179706https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTW6fZz-1E
>>558179706FUCK OFF.
>>558177056here's to the next five years of being horny
seems you have competition. they even have proper farm tools.
>>558179706get out of here, Stalker
>>558179536That forsworn took an arrow to the knee before he could penetrate her.
>>558179224that does look really cool, I'm definitely going to check it out
>>558179224I like it but>the mod will check your character's 7 highest level skills and using a closest-match formula, will determine which class corresponds the most to your current playstylethe autoclassing would probably tism me
>>558179884>>558179989>>558180106is that cat supposed to be from STALKER?it's part of Monster Mod AE. this explains alot...
>>558180096Fat Cat no the food isn't free he is going to turn you into a tractor
>>558180096How do slaves get so jacked
>>558180569yeah, that cat is 1000% from Stalker
>>558179470I would have liked to release the Raynia follower on this day, but ever since Cira and I started making the follower I've been keeping an eye on the state of the general. I hate enough of the mental illness I've recently seen here to say "no."I've been wishing for a sort of renaissance, or enlightenment, or romantic movement within /tesg/ for five years, and I've been left wanting the entire time.Ask me again when this general isn't garbage.
>>558180950Making it about that is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy streisand effect thing, to be fair
>>558180950
Skyrim waifus look like THAT?! Zamn!
>>558179224>class: archer>only have it at 30>two handed and one handed are at 100that's weird but I like the rest
>>558180950we were waiting all this time along with you and you're shitting in our mouths like this for it, is what I would say, if you weren't this fucking guy >>558138337now tell me, what prompts you to be like this?
>>558181352>m.jpgThe /v/ thread going too slow for you?
>>558181352where's the emaciated weg guy when you need him
>>558181417That's actually him lol.
do I jump into the pit?or do I throw Lerche in first?
>>558181628Im surprised you dont have a "hoof-haver" around for such situations.
>>558180950impersonator pls
>>558180950>the abuse lerche posts increase lately and people laugh about it>followers being released get not released nowim sure there's no connection at all
>>558181417I'm not the impersonator. I've been committed to privately sharing the follower for about a month now.I repeat myself: Ask me about the follower again when the general isn't garbage.
>>558182301What a fag.
>>558180950literally what the fuck is this schizo babble?
>>558179224Cool mod, but essentially adds absolutely nothing of value.
>>558182301>enb 2021oh, fuck off cunt
>>558181381I was surprised it gave me warrior all this considered, fitting.>>558182453Yeah it's mostly a small like flavor thing.
>>558182545
>>558180950whenever you're active someone shits on waifus so you contribute to the current state of /tesg/
>someonehere we go
>>558182249I don't even care about the inevitable bandit camp/orc stronghold tour people would take the follower on. I'm just sick of the recent shitposting.>>558182896Hello, impersonator.
>>558176243Did that but no dice.Although now I'm reading though comments of some people using Sanguine Symphony and Core Impact Framework having these types of crashes with empty crash logs.Using their recommended workaround seems to have stopped it from happening
>>558183391awesome anon glad you seem to have sorted it out.
>>558171785I had a similar issue and uninstalling wet function redux fixed this.
>>558182545Is Thrud finally at home?
How do I find a cute dunmer wife as a nord man?
>>558183391I used to have that problem with Sanguine a lot, so much so that I ended up switching back to EBT until for some reason on a whim I decided to go back to SS when it updated and now it just works™It's nice to know that was a common issue even if it doesn't affect me anymore. I still kinda prefer enhanced blood textures desu
>>558183836yeah >>558161429
>>558183889You gotta be Rolff without the drunkenness. Hlaalu bitches love pretending that they're oppressed
>>558161429>>558183960all future screenshots need to be barefoot and pregnant
>>558183215>goes out of his way to reply to shitposters>complains about thread qualityYou're not the brightest one.
>>558184038damn, that's crazygood luck with it
>Volkihar Claneeeeeuuuuughhhhhh
>>558184914>ThiefKhajiit are never beating the allegations.
as long as i live n breathe ah shall protect mah wife elenwen womb n her thalmor embassy from da stormcuck horde nigguh yall bitchass nords can't satisfy her like a real dark triad brotha frfr
Not sure how I feel about this "previously unreleased armour set by 4thUnknown" from the Unveiling the Abtuse VC mod.
>>558185169Looks retarded
>>558185169someone segmented your tata
>>558183960/aco/ screenshots now?
>>558185028It does check outsupposedly you can change the faction title too but pressing G didn't do anythingI already have the functionality across character sheet, perception, and player in menu so I'm not sure I'll keep it around>>558185169it looks like a nordwar retexture
>>558184914I like your character. Probably the best one in Tesg in the last few years.
>>558184914I hate your character. Probably the worst one in Tesg in the last few years.
>>558174052Well well well would you look at that...https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/90811>>558179224Neat.>monkI guess because of maxed alteration? It sort of works flavor-wise, I suppose.
>furry shit>ever being the best anythingKys
>>558174052Dyndolod
>>558185754I'm so sorry
>>558185589It's really cool but I thought it would be replacing the the skills menu or something. I think I'll pass on this one.
>>558185169the skirt part has no SMP so it's slop
>>558185336do you have any texture suggestions?
>>558185812I like the font on character cutting off so you have Characteialso "companion of the companions" is funny
>>558185071Where is your jawfu?
I think the title is just whatever your last joined faction is
>>558179224loaded my cheat guy up who is for testing echantments, alchemy, smithing and has max speech and got bard. eh fair enough
>>558186204mouse over a faction and press the key it tells you
>>558186348kinda lame. it should have a LLM generate a title depending on your level, skills, joined factions and stats (like enemies killed, bounties had etc)
>>558186570or just have a person fill in the incredibly low effort blanks on the conditions because llms are notoriously retarded relative to the game's narrative and make stupid shit up constantlylike the thing about frost mages the other day
>>558186938missed that one. what about the frost mages?
>>558186204I'm curious to see what it'll generate on a new game, if they'll even have a class or title at all
>>558186031Bending over a table, laying on the bed, trying to reach something on the floor.
>>558187009some guy was looking for a nord frost mage companion (as there are none) and it came up with 4 npcs that don't exist (two of them from mods that don't exist), an imperial, and a randomized fire-frost-shock specialization templated temporary quest npc (anska at high gate)
>>558174052this one>>558179224
>>558187153ok, grok, I asked if you have any suggestions for the fucking dress texture, not her current socio-economic situation
>>558187406lmao I thought you were asking for pose suggestions and using the textures as an excuse this time.
>>558188031I mean, I won't sperg out if you have good poses to suggest, I just actually need some texture ideas for that Dark Dukla Dress...
Total High Elf Love
>>558188429Not ripe enough. Might as well be an orc.
>>558188429she looks like she sucks off nord men while berating them
>>558188586orcs have feelings too, you know
>>558188302chud fucking thrud while gigachad watches from the cuck chair
>>558188429what about brown elves?
>>558186204I think it's alphabetical by faction, though I'm not sure why the college sorts there. You can pick, but it doesn't seem to stay if you close the menu and re-open it.
>>558188802only the dead can know peace from this evil
>>558188957do it
>>558185449t. hanks>>558185521not hanksthe duality of mananyway it's Volkihar Gardener before anyone asks
Why is Oblivion so jank?
well that's new
you don't use fast travel, right /tesg/?
>>558188429
>>558189210try playing blivi instead, it has more fixes!
>>558189210SOVL
>>558189442It doesn't though>>558189210The trilogy of MW/Ob/Skyrim is a community theater production and Oblivion was the comic interlude
>>558189024stop this madnessreject cuckshitembrace mammary diplomacy
>Repeats the same proooompt for the same video 3 times.Honk shoooo.
literally draining and boiling a river to give a daedra balloon tits
>>558190294AI is so fvcking zased bros...
>>558190294it's worth it, balloon tits are so rare these days
>>558179224Really puts it into perspective how stat poor the game is, not that it was ever in question. I will curse Bruce Nesmith's name as long as I live. I hope he may never work on something resembling an RPG ever again.
>>558189870>3 timestry 300, lmao >>558190294you know, I'm not really the one who told Muskoid to build his GPU warehouse in fucking Tennessee... he could be boiling away the fucking Gulf of Mexico and make literally zero muh environment impact with it...
>>558189870what does honk shoo mean?
>>558189728do it
Some small town in america has no more running water because of me. Hilarious
>>558190772reddit onomatopoeia for the sound cartoon characters make when they sleep
>>558189665It does, blivi doesn't have that animation bug!
>>558191064For everything supposedly fixed it introduces new broken things and then some, so it does not have more fixes
>>558191352I know they're already spread pretty thin but this would be much less insulting if they actually added more content with every re-release that wasn't just paid mods
>>558191337just buy blivi okay?
>>558191751https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Remastered_Changes#Bugs_Fixedhttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Remastered_Bugs>needs its own page instead of a section"No!"I borrowed it from my local public library, played for 3 hours, and then uninstalled it because I needed more space for mods
I'm trying to create an asian. I made her eyes and lips bigger and gave her chinese skin.https://litter.catbox.moe/f98xnjqlvghcmfve.mp4
>>558191864It doesn't look asian it looks like the eastern plastic surgery phenotype which might be what you mean
>>558191845>public libraryconsole player?
>>558191864Is that Horrible Harrassment? I wish they'd port that to oStim it was the only one of those I actually liked.
>my thread on /v/ had the image spoilered/hiddenWhat the fuck?There's like 2 full pages of ass and tittieswhy did mine get special treatment?
>>558190945Wouldn't a better one be Shmo-me me me
>>558192251>my thread on /v/
>>558192135no, dumbass, that was another way of saying I downloaded it for free>>558192275I think both of those existsometimes they have a single huffing snore and sometimes they do the mutteringsometimes both
>>558190945I read it as honk show as in honkers.
little bro still thinks anyone cares if you post on /v/
>>558192251Maybe don't be an annoying faggot?
So while I was playing earlier today, I had this happen where my eyes and hair where no longer attached to my model, but I was able to fix it by resetting the weight with SAM. I'm kinda curious if anyone else had this happened and knows what causes it so I can avoid it in the future.
>>558192251
discuss waifu boobs
>>558191864i remember when you said you were going to be a waifufag that didn't repost the same picture over and over
>>558192374>he illegally downloaded the gameFBI that's him!
>>558192618Winking Skeever has never been the same...
yeah the mod is acting weird.>>558192251>>558192618>guards, take her thread away and make her pay the fine.
>>558192618Crazy that you guys can get grok can do shit like this but when I ask it to make a video of anything it basically tells me to go fuck myselfMaybe i'm the unc now
>>558192178>Horrible HarrassmentI think so but it also could be another mod that is integrated with HH.>>558192686I try not to repost images but I got lazy. I made an exception with videos.>>558192010>eastern plastic surgery phenotypeThat's what I was going for.>>558189386Fast traveling ruins your adventure more than dragons.
>>558192640they always ask waifoobs but never howfoobs>>558192598I've only ever seen eye detachment happen when adjusting them in RM, the game had to be restarted to have the new eyeground occlusion thing or whateverAlso killcams on the player can cause detached jank but I doubt it's that since near everyone has those turned off
>>558192251is she karening out?
>>558193172make better videos atleast
obsessed
>>558192251New to 4chan? Wait until you get an image where nothing is happening deleted and maybe even get banned for it, and then you open /vg/ and half of the OPs are of half naked women where you can clearly see their bits.
>>558189386I use journeyman so that I have to make fast travel a conscious decision. I wish I could get that one carriage mod to work so using one isn't a fade to black with every mod I have updating at the same time causing crazy script lag on arrivalhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/92220
>>558193064Grug is touted to accept "humane input" meaning, you give it commands the way you would give them to a 40 year old fresh over the border Mexican I can't get used to it either
I thought tesg shunned grokslop
>>558193563I just use Unlimited Fast Travel because I only ever press the button when I'm either fixing a bug or loading up after an exterior ctd with no save betweenthat and re-traveling ground where I know nothing will happen like traveling over the northern coast's water
>>558193627shutup slavcel
>>558193563Works with sunhelm?
>>558193812I don't know, i'm a frostfall + last seed autist but I'd assume so as long as you turn off any associated options in the sunhelm settings (assuming there is one)
>>558193797problems, Pedro?
>>558193174It might actually have been the KCs honestly. I don't have mine turned off, and I think it happened after I had 2 KCs happen earlier in the playthrough. I probably didn't notice until much later, but I'll have to keep an eye out next time a KC happens.
>>558193715We LOVE Grokino here.
>>558193715grokslop implies the existence of grok kino
>>558194262the one with an orc is funnier
>>558194218Specifically the ones that are being executed on the player, if the enemy dies before they finish it causes some rigging problems or stuff like walking around decapitated / camera detachment / etcalso they're cheap shots so they're generally shunned
>>558194262not only that clearly isn't grug output, you also are what we would call hermetic door this time around material
>>558194446Hermetic Door sounds more like a gnostic neologism than an execution method
why is he spamming AI slop again?
>>558194696the slav has no artistic taste>hur dur what if this character had big boobs and did a dance with a deformed facial expression
>>558194262
>>558193064>one got the elf ears>the other one got the grey skin>neither got the red scleraTard wrangling it to do dunmer faces is impossible.
>>558195276grok i wish that were me
>>558194368I actually had to tell it that women usually have only two armsthis is not a good look for something that's supposed to be replacing CEOs next year...>>558194870those sure are wordsyou ever done something like this in your life, cupcake?>>558153759
>>558195252canon?
>>558195551>I actually had to tell it that women usually have only two armsbut I've seen plenty of women with 3 or 4 arms
>janny deleted the werewolf webm but not the horse one on /teslg/lol
>>558195551grug is probably less carelessly malicious than the average stuffed suit sociopath, but executive and board positions alas are not where cuts get made
decimals in hp/magicka/stamina. my game is broken isn't it?
>>558196095Your class is also messed up.
>>558195276>>558195551In every shitpost i've ever generated with those two it always gives him the gray skin and her the generic elf treatment and I don't know why. I even specify that they're both dark elves in the prompt. If I try to do a video it tells me either: "sorry I can't do that" or an error. I'm okay with the generic anime elf though she still a cute, i'll leave the actual videos to whoever wants to make them because I guess i'm just a dumb morrowboomer in the eyes of technology
THIS MACHINE IS TRAINED TO FUCK YOUR WAIFU>>558196095Do you use anything that changes the amount of attribute points you get when leveling up? the display value could be truncated and that's the actual one insidetrue of enchantments that aren't round too probably
>>558196195got the original screenshot of this one?
>>558196394I think it was this one
>>558196158rip>>558196262that might be it then. i do have some enchanted gear on and you made me remember they had wonky percentages when applying them.
>>558196158You've never met a Bwarrzerriker?
>>558196262>shower but it's invisible
>>558196631Must be a khajiit thing.
>>558195818Those were hot bro. Post a cat box album with all those in it
>>558196776Big dick energy but too much on the energy part
>>558196496this waifu is cute but looks like you would contract every disease if you sticked your dick in her mouth
>>558196496Squeezable bunmer
>Zaric now openly talking about the New Vegas Pipeline
>>558197683He's autistic, he only knows how to regurgitate what was fed to him previouslyIt explains a lot
>>558197683What's the new vegas pipeline
>>558197857turning into a tranny and then playing fo4
>>558197857after skinwalkers decided video games with paragraphs were core to the identity of being a eunuch, each one searched for things that shut-in nerds may have enjoyed in the past 15 years and compared notesnew vegas was one of those things and so is parroted as being some kind of turning point on the slippery slope of autistic gay porn
>>558197857you install it and then you start to cross-dress and then you start taking estrogen and so on and so forth
>>558196965Yeah I still have to make an account which sucks.
>>558189386Carriages are too dangerous
How can you still have faith in Todd after all the disappointments and snubs? How do you cope with there being a potential 20- year gap between Skyrim and Skyrim 2?
>>558189386On occasion, usually if I've ran back and forth between the two areas a couple times already. I mostly use the carriages>>558198109I was expecting it to cut to the vanilla cart intro
>>558197491People always say this and I never get why because she's only sleeps with one guy I've accepted the former prostitute lore you guys like to give her into my c0da though
>>558196834goddamn fat cati need her so bad
>>558198179>How can you still have faith in Toddno fucking body here does
i remember having up to three spells saved with ocato's recital at some point on another play through but i dont remember how
How do you push the ears downwards in race menu?
>>558198619you ruined her
>I do wear skirts more often than pants these days: Zaric Zhakaron, Feb 22, 2026
>>558198109Now post what happens if you choose the other option
>>558198179I'm not coping.
Big things happening in the Morrowind modding community
Is there literally no mod to replace those static corpses the vampires feed on in castle volkihar?
>>558198892call me when you got the spinning cat implimentedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU8cBVqIwpo
>>558198892That doesn't look very big tbqh.
So I assume this zaric guy is his new obsession
>>558198892start modding Skyrim again or fuck off, cunt
>>558198892me in the back
>>558198980No. Modding Morrowind though, since that's what matters to me.
>>558198179I'm more optimistic in Skyblivion and Skywind than I am for TES 6.
>>558198571Ocato's up until recently always gave you threenow you need to level alteration to get the other two slotswhich I think is fine because it's fucking busted as shit normally
>>558199076is it based on your alteration level? i think mine is at 80, but if it's from skill tree perks then it probably doesnt work for me because im running default vokrii/odin
>>558198967nigga, I'm watching his fucking streamyeah, I'm commenting on itshocking
>>558198892Didn't know my penis was in the Morrowind modding community
Finding outfits and posing in them is fun :DHands are hard to pose yo
>>558199280No wonder nobody touches it.
>>558198109What mod is that?>>558198720I'm out of quest mods so the only thing left is to bog her.
>>558199280he said "big things" not "big disappointments">>558197857you start wearing cat ear headphones and slowly start wearing more feminine and pink clothing
>>558199189I think there are two other spells that do the same thing which you get at Adept and Expert (40/65 at vendors)it should be on the modpage somewhere since the update was within the last year or so
>>558199028Why?
>>558198619>>558199387she actually seems to be most aesthetically pleasing right now
>>558199570Because I enjoy it.
>>558199527ah makes sense why i haven't seen it then. tolfdir has been dodging me since i finished the college questline. gonna try to see if fast traveling there and back a couple times to see if i can get him to show up in his room
>fuck was that?
>>558199752sen needs better walking animations
>>558199723Nice town. I see so many on here argue that Skyrim's tiny towns are for the best as they're convenient.
>>558199613I read it in his voice
>>558198892very cool!
>>558199821Any recommendations? Occasionally I try to find some but it seems like a wasteland desu.
Ok how the fuck do I normalize enemy strength? Everything takes 3 hits to kill and tickles me or 30 hits and chunks 90% of my health bar in one swing.
>>558199934https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/132028?tab=descriptionI like this one
>>558199752>>558199934those little bastards would startle me from time to time too.
>>558199857A small town is fine, Skyrim's towns have the issue where there's no real visually distinct character to them. At minimum making them use the tilesets for the main towns instead of just the generic village one would be better.
>>558198179I don't. However I played ESO and the only races I really care about (dunmer and bosmer) weren't actually done all that dirty in it and were even given some positive lore additions (pretty much where most of the cannibal goblin and sotha sil autism god lore came from)So in the end no matter how bad TESVI is I don't think i'm going to have to worry as much. I weep for the one bananafag that had so suffer through the trans questline though
>>558199934https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/51681https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/38098
>>558198179>How can you still have faithI don't. I'm looking for alternate games
>>558200113Morrowind has the best armor designs.
If I wanted to change the model a spell uses for its summon, can I just do that with xEdit easily?
>>558200162I switched to verolovikino the other day and it's leagues better than gunslicer slop. Don't like how he felt the need to separate every single animation though. I don't care how annoying you make it i'm not paying for nexus premium
>>558200397if something catches your eye, just say so and I will upload it for you
>>558198885>tfw Starfield was ironically enough the First Bethesda game to have actually Open Citiessome of my best experiences with it is with parkouring around them
>>558199613She'll probably look different in a few hours I'm just playing around with the sliders. >>558199327I still haven't figured out how people do tongue and ahegao poses in SAM.
>>558200725Yeah, shame about everything else.
>>558200397I cherrypick them anyway, I wouldn't call gunslicer slop but the silliness doesn't make them versatile
>>558200397I find it more annoying how none of his shit works with oar
>>558199996Eh... I don't think it's for me.>>558200162Vanargand always looked really robotic to me. I think the torso doesn't move enough maybe? The other one apparently I've downloaded before but I don't remember. Trying it now.
>>558154275I'm not sure desu I suspected it was something immersive interactions played but I can't seem to get its pray feature to werk(even on a new game w/o wintersun)then I found this http://skp.g2.xrea.com/PinupPoser/Dramatic/slides/Drama032.htmlI'm afraid some scrnarchery trix might've been implementedI think sifina's knees were clipped through the floor, while tdm headtracking up, w/ niopa'd arms and legs when I took those shots
>>558199934I use Malignis (>>558199996) but it might be better for characters that are tallier/leggier than SenThe weather conditions and bathing animations are good though and their own mod each
>>558200113I think that hat needs to be even longer
>>558200764blud I am lowkey so burnt out on skyrim modding that starfield's looking good for me
>>558200840https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/93359
>>558200795I think the only gunslicer animations I kept were the swimming ones and the ones where you get into/out of bed. But the latter of which doesn't seem any different than the ones from jaysloppa only that GS's are faster.
>>558200906No not even that works, his animations are purely vanilla animation replacers without dar/oar integration
>>558200725>tfw Starfield was ironically enough the First Bethesda game to have actually Open CitiesDaggerfall and Morrowind has open cities.
>>558200764>Yeah, shame about everything else.How is it a shame? Starfield is great. Maybe not as good as Skyrim, but it was still the best game of 2024.
>>558200851>>558200162Yeah, this ain't it either. Thanks for the recs anyway.
>>558201097
>>558201013 I keep wanting to go back to arena (randomish wilderness) and daggerfall (stupid tiny regions near the desert in the south I wanna be in again in desert garb doing priest quests and commoner jobs).
>>558201097>Starfield is great.>it was still the best game of 2024.bait used to be believable.
>>558201645>>558201645>>558201645I literally waited all night just to do this
>>558201097After FO4, I really thought that it would be impossible for Bethesda to make a game worse than it, but then they decided to surprise us with Saarfield and achieve the impossible. Now I have 0 hopes for TES6 and deep within our hearts, we all know it's going to be abysmal dogshit.
>>558200975I forgot that, you would have to manually make them yourself as DAR mod and convert them later for minimum effort
