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Smiting astral demons with my Naqui wife and making uber pilgrim children
become ... roguelike
>install cataclysm bright nights>dont know what i am doing>lets try prison start>master of rats, sounds interesting>locked in a room with my rat servants,only see boxes of pasta>how the fuck do i open the door?
>>559046595This is the intended experience.
Mewgenics
>>559046810Oh! neat.
>>559046815I cant stand the artstyle i am sorry
>>559047084I thought I was the only fucking person on planet earth who couldn't stand that dev's artstyle. Nasty 90s era Nickelodeon gross out humor cartoon ass.
>>559047084>>559047337>caring about graphics in your roguelikening experienceFault.
>>559051226Artstyle and graphics are not the same thing. I'd rather look at ASCII than binding of nutsack devs works.
>>559051226Yes? If the game looks like vomit i wont play it
>not caring about graphics in your ragulike
FTL: Faster Than Light
>>559051785How do i acquire a semen demon like this?
Noita and Barony are the undisputed GOATs of roguelites BTW.
>>559053123Show her your list of 15 rune wins, of course
>>559053692Dammit
>>559046595prison start is a challenge mode designed to fuck with youyou should just do the default start until you've figured it out
soon
>>559065134Explain
>>559065151got a new follower, she's coming along nicelyvery blind, but the reptilian IR is very nice in the dark when controlling hergonna wait a day or two before giving her the next dose of serpent serum, she's getting snake dreams so she should hit the threshold soon
>>559067820Does the snake tail overwrite bad knees?
>>559068115Snake scoliosis is no laughing matter.
>>559046815I don't even see people in indie talking about it, which is the intended place for these things in the first place.I don't care for it and it's 30+ dollars.
>>559068115bad knees is the opposite of parkour expert, and no, nothing overwrites itgirl is going to be unable to deal with small obstacles forever
>>559074001>bad knees>with no legsThese are truly dark days ahead.Looks like you could cancel it with Feline Flexibility, but that's a post-threshold cat mutation, so obviously incompatible with snake. Joint servo CBM should still work.
Do people play Brogue CE or 1.7.4?
>>559079491Why? It sounds like the best roguelike ever with real procgen
>Brogue died on 1.7.4>tome died on 1.7.6I'm sensing a pattern here
Did next fest have any roguelikes?
>>559083392There's Monster Lily, I think it was posted a few threads back, haven't seen anything else but I haven't really looked
>>559053171barony is underappreciated I agreeplayed it with anon from here and it was fun
>>559080580Who's in line to die on 1.7.8?
>>559086390hopefully me (in my sleep)
>>559053171I wanted to like Barony but I couldn't get past how you were expected to stall each floor to grind skills, e.g. spam cheap spells to level casting or gather all torches on the map to practice blocking against a rat. I want a game to test my skill and not my patience.
>>559092510Still less tedious than DCSS. Leveling shit in that game is about as grindy as being on a Runescape private server.
Melee characters fucking suck on higher cycles. Good lord. It's literally all negatives with no upsides>take step>entire floor inflames >multiple units tele to you>die to jobber slop enemies because they randomly are buffed with 700000 dodge or whateverIt's like running across the battlefield in WWI by yourself. I can't believe I used to think summoner builds were bad. Getting to safely sit behind hordes while they buff up and you pepper the floor with small damage? That's heaven in comparison to this nightmare.
>>559102303Going full true melee is rough, but there's plenty of tools to help fix the gaps in a 90% melee build.
>teleports behind you>stands still>atomizes your friends >gets poise(?)response?
>>559077383yeah
>>559103979Thank you, I guess?
>>559103979tummy slash
>>559103979>Qamar as cute catgirlsTHEY ARE DEMONS, FUCK YOU
>>559104259>cat women>not demons
>>559104361There is nothing in game to indicate they are cat-like, those are horns and spadetails not fluffy cat features
>>559102303That's why all the "melee" builds should still have Asi Malak.
>>559104835Then thats no longer "Melee" my man
>>559105143Melee weapon, ranged attack. It's good enough for me. Otherwise you will get attacked half a dozen times walking over to all the 20 range enemies. Astrohunting is another option, but that takes away your option of hiding in a corner and waiting for enemies.
>>559105143having your primary damage source be melee and doing a melee-only conduct are different
>>559105425>>559105396Thats like shooting energy waves with your sword, THATS JUST MAGIC WITH AN EXTRA STEP
>>559102303You also have to pay the most attention to what each floors enemies abilities are because literally anything can kill you.
>>559105760That's just magic with a COOL step. And most of the fun is in building your character anyway, and you get to use the melee nodes. Like yeah I can hit you once with my ranged attack in a pinch, but come step next to me and feel the fury of 13 counterattacks in one turn.
>Retort punishes melee build>nothing to punish ranged the same way???
>>559106154Retort does work on ranged. You're thinking of Bully that only works on melee, because it activates melee counterattacks when your melee attacks fail to break armor.
>>559104174>Dyslexic ass made me read this as "tummy smash"i need help
>>559104658nigga I don't care. It's not even a game.
>>559107029
>>559107029Oh boy i cant wait to play Achra roguelike in 2050 and make gold by selling rat pelts>>559107325Achra is a game though?
>>take step>>entire floor inflames>>multiple units tele to youArbiters hate him! All inflame bullshit avoided with one simple trick! I think all of my melee characters are gonna use this strat if there is room for it in their build.
>>559102303We've already been over this last thread, they can work perfectly fine.
Dont fall for Qamar propaganda, they will ditch you for the astral wall and shit
controlling my snake girl into this mine with my starting character following herjesus fucking christ my original MC is a demon, he's absolutely mulching these zombie minersyou take one step and he's killed two zombies and stepped to engage a third
god I miss eating box
>combo requires DOS steps without interruption: pray, into wait>worked for every single floor>final floor>spawn the boss on top of me>pray >boss hits me while in crystalform>a bunch of shit dies while I'm spaghetti'ing out>no prayer points>boss didn't get hit with the uber freeze from crystalhorror >dieHorrorform is about as big of a joke as drakeform. Honestly Drakeform is better because at least it doesn't brick and there are lots flexible combos. Also on gimmicky builds it really does feel like a free win/ auto loss depending on how the game wants to fuck you with the boss placement.
Nuclear Throne
>>559119148Kinda sucks the only viable use for horrorform is to get tons of stacks and then transform them into a different form.
>>559119909Yeah, what's lame is what your transfer combos really suck.>Ice formReally good, but slow AF and fragile as seen from my pic.>Snake formI guess? Kinda seems stupid. >Bat formNegative synergy / pointless >Gecko formYou probably get instagibbed>JackalformDefinitely Instagibbed >DrakeformMight work? Seems like it would potentially just brick the second you get hit. Kinda want to try this retardation out. It feels like it's too weak and gimmicky as a prestige, but would be too broken to access outside of a prestige. I think it should be half a prestige that you can tap into another prestige with. Like Horror form into transforming into one of the prestige morphs could be fun.
>>559110373>AslanNope, broke the melee only conduct. Aslan hits at range with the passive.
>>559119148>>559119909Doing it wrong.
>>559122719
>>559105760You have to wear this dress, too! It helps with shooting BZOWTs!
>>559120626You forgot chimera, useless shit
Yeah there's no point transferring stacks from Horrorform. You go right back into Horrorform whether you like it or not when you take damage.
This cataclysm game looks awfully complex, elona rotted my brain with its simplicityI just want cute blonde girls with guns as companions surviving the apocalypse as we ride a bus
Built in Kairos Skirt.
>>559138365>That nameHis parents didnt loved him did they?
>>559138365The random name generation really doesn't work that well.
Astral is putrid dogshit. It's either 0 DPS or 1 DPS + you're forced to play Russian Roulette on Game Turn.
>>559143224Gambling is fun but yes, astral is pure dogshit beside one or two skills
You could probably win the game with nothing but 30 levels of Projection though.
>>559133549Just don't take damage
>>559150174Projection is actually good
>>559152762
Psychic is so COOL
>>559152832Got me good, you fucker.
>>559150174No you couldn't. Could you with only an actually good power like Psychokinesis? Maybe.
fuck my headache wont go away
>>559162326All you need is Projection.
>>559171971I'll admit, I'm kind of impressed.
Am I smoking or couldn't you throw potions and stuff at enemies in DCSS? Feels like I've been playing too much elona...
>>559181112you're thinking of fulminate distillation and evaporate, which were removed
Opinions on touhou crawl?
>give all your allies 5 billion hitI'm not sure this is what the dev had in mind for horrorform, but it works pretty well.
>>559186976Just tired it for a bit, the bones are DCSS but it still has a "hunger" meter and unidentified cursed equipment unlike the modern kind. Also I dunno if it's just the one wand equivalent but the spellcard of fire produces a massive cone of fire that leaves flame clouds that's pretty wild.
>>559171971works easy mode with apooptis as well after an RNG first stage
>>559196040>fire scytheTruly the king of weapons. That damage on hit scales up with more scorch stacks and gets out of control.
>>559181112bro that was like a decade ago
I'm new to roguelikes, but I like games with good scaling, like idk, like how you can scale certain mechanics in PoE into late game and be really powerfulAny roguelikes for this feel? And I'll recommend a roguelike I played recently that was fun, it's called Overlooting but its only got about 20 hours worth of playtime before it gets boring
>>559204275Welcome to the Achra thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isDvLHb83B8Rift Wizard 2 is good too.
>>559204275Caves of Qud lets you become pretty godlike in the long haul. ToME, too, if hotbar abilities appeal to you.
>>559204275>I'm new to roguelikes, but I like games with good scalingYou want elona or whatever grindagame is fotm right now
There's a bunch of them huh
>>559206748>procedural gen use is mandatory Your flowchart goes into the trash
>>559207187I get what you mean but without procgen of enemies, drops and dungeon features the game would be solvable.
What the hell happened hereIf a vehicle can cook bullets by driving over them, I have a problem
Someone should blogpost about Pokemon Mystery Dungeon.
>>559207583It's a mystery
>>559207442The blast left a 3x3 patch of thick smoke, and once it cleared there was just this
>>559204275Elona omake overhaul
>>559204275Play Elin>>559206572>Caves of Qudtroon game
>Caves of QudNice>made in unityFUCK
>>559211004Yeah it does literally have a tranny side character, but it's quite a fun game at first. At least until you realize how static the world actually is, how you end up with enough skill points for all the skills so your build doesn't matter, how easy it is to abuse the mechanics, how tedious it is to abuse the mechanics, and how the randomly generated parts are just gobbledygook text and randomly shaped maps with 10000x identical enemies. The problems with Qud really have nothing to do with the tranny.
>>559212854Troon developer and community not just a side character, nice try tho
>>559213354Did you go on a roguelike Discord server? That was your first mistake.
>>559206748That flowchart is pretty useful to me, lol, thanks
>>559212854>a tranny side characterJust one? The centaur exile certainly, but I would also count literally all the bears.
>>559213726lol this, fault
>>559213726>actually I like supporting troonsokay, knock yourself out
>>559213354>>559219564I don't know who you think you're trolling. There's like 10 people here and I don't think any of them give a shit about trannnoids one way or the other beyond the level of latent disgust.
> There's like 10 people hereThere's like 4.
>>559220134I'm not "trolling" anyone, I'm not going to recommend or endorse a troon game, simple as
>>559220681Good for you, I'll let you know if I hear of anyone who cares
>>559219564I just don't think about it that much when I play, honestly. It's more interesting to shit on Qud for its infinite shop grind.
any mods /settings to make CDDA feel more like project zomboid and remove all the sci fi zombies?
>>559181192>>559203338no... what else was removed? I know I played a 20 something version. seeing that corpses are now just props and not stuff I can just gobble up is driving me nuts.
>>559224463>I know I played a 20 something versionthose were removed in .11 moron you're not selling it properly
>>559225430>selling it properlysell what, being a poser or what? I'm trying to figure out what version I played before 32.1. fuck's sake. at least in this run I got the furthest I have in ages.
>>559220898No one forces you to clone merchants, you can just get by using your regularly sourced loot unless you fight Golem tier enemies like the girsh kaijusPersonally I hate how little the "history generator" actually matters and how it boils down to an RNG crapshoot to pacify robots and nothing more
>>559222237Dark days of the dead
>>559227014>RNG crapshoot to pacify robotsTrue Kin can make friends with pink robots in the jungle and get neutral reputation every game with a few hours of grinding. It's not exactly fun and exciting gameplay though, and the fact that I know I should do it every single True Kin run is a bit irritating.
Astral builds are the Iran of builds. I need to remember that these fuckers NEED infinite prayers because they can not coast off of momentum/ snowball like every other type of Achra character. Why did I think this would work? God I'm retarded.
>>559235516Just do 30 Projection, bro...
>>559235516>no healthBro?
>>559226384formerly sneeder
I still dont understand the lore of Archa besides people get sent on a pilgrimage because its keeps the worlds cycle going.
>>559249117Nah that's about it. Most of it is vibes.
>>559249117Someone is fucking shit up, kick its ass
I like the idea that the PC is the only pilgrim and the rest of the planet is just letting themselves drown the in rising sea out of laziness.
>>559207442yeah, DDA has a lot of anti-fun mechanics like that these days
>>559250405Miss me with that shit, you were just the one lucky fuck who managed to get to the astral door, nothing moreThe rest died or are waging war with other factions
ummm bros this fire wont spread right??
>>559260017Haha yeah. . .
>>559260017Stone floor, stone walls? You might be okay
O struggler...
>>559263714>he moved
>>559263714>he stepped
>>559260017what is it in?
>>559204810So is Path Of Achra the roguelike that you all here agree on is like patrician taste of roguelike? Is there a tier chart or something?
>>559269882No, it's just the flavor of the year. Roguelikes are actually extremely broad in scope and hard to directly compare.
>>559269882the most patrician roguelike is either Sil-Q or Cinco Paus
>>559269882It's just the quickest to get a run done (one way or another).
>>559252762That's BN
>>559260017>furnaceYeah, it's fine.
I'm not deathmaxxing, I'm jesterrunpilled
>>559274709I am NOT allow BN defecate in thread.
>>559278292
>Bro check out this roguelike! It's based on the writings of tolki-
You can shoot through the fire follower of the scarab talisman. The scarab talisman has 32 hp and regen 1/turn and ac+ and ev+++.This is to say, on floor 1, if you're a mage, you should be immediately putting on the scarab talisman.So what, you have 9 hp and can die in one hit. Nothing can hit you. In particular, adders and ribbon worms can't get past your little living fire ball.If you see a spear gnoll, that's an issue, but there aren't any priests or wizards yet and I don't think small rocks can kill you in one turn, so you're golden.Even if you are unwilling to walk around with your pants down like this, you can just put the talisman on for the fights where it removes all risk.
>>559260017if it's something meant to contain a fire it shouldn't spread.
>>559269882mentally ill people are playing it and DDAone's an autobattler the other's a sandboxnobody is actually playing roguelikes in the roguelike generalit's kind of funny in retrospect
>>559278292try that sentence again please
>>559283732>DDANobody plays that one anymore, it's BN now. Try to keep up.I'm gonna be playing some roguelikes when the 7drl challenge for 2026 lands in two weeks
>>559284164They're the same thing, the only difference is more people are mentally ill one side of the fence than the other and the game is beyond boring either way.
>>559284240>They're the same thingNah
Can i play cataclysm purely with keyboard or will i suffer?
>>559290583It'll be tough, the control layout is optimized for consoles.
what the fuck is going on over therewhat could that even be?>>559290583the viewport can be a bit large, so looking at things at the edge of the screen can be a bit of a pain in the ass if you aren't using mouse for that, but yes it is a keyboard-centric game and mouse support has only been added recently
the fuck is wrong with my loytel,
>>559293596>>559290778Thank
>DDA>Install solar panel on cabin's rooftop>Don't get any powerDo I have to install something else? A battery maybe?
>>559302797I believe you do need the power to be stored first. Also is it connected to the grid?
>>559302905I only used the install solar panel command on the rooftop, I'll try installing a car battery somewhere in the house.
>>559303124Okay yeah, the problem was that I was missing a battery.
>>559294720Funny headgear mask
>>559278292>it was ESL that hate BNsIt all becomes clear.
>>559220134If there's ten people here then that already guarantees at least 10% of the people here cares. You can add me so that makes 20% now.
Wtf is a strategy RPG and what's the difference between a tactical RPG?
This is an underrated Roguelike.
As a member of the council of ten I also hate trannoids.
I don't hate trannies, they are just mentally ill, I have the people that enable, profit from and attempt to normalise their mental illness.
>>559331562I hate the people^
I sympathize with the tranoids and respect their right to have freaky bodymods but also they have a significant cohort of disgusting freaks who want to touch children which makes me very sympathetic to the Fourth Reich's response to that horseshit.>>559293596it was a mass graveI drove around it>>559302797does DDA even have power grids? in BN you need to have a solar panel and a battery before power works, and all the grid squares you want to use need to be connected with a voltmeter
I just hate morons.
>>559334392I believe most houses are already wired for power and you can expose the wiring in the construction menu
Did Cataclysm: The Last Generation implement hordes 2.0?
>>559334468You need to learn to love yourself.
>>559077957No one replied so I downloaded CE. I've have a couple of decent runs down to d20 but they were getting dicey at the end, I made mistakes but there's no way I could have won. I feel like there's so many metagame knowledge checks that give huge advantages that it'd take ages to learn everything you need to consistently win. I just found out that vaults that require levitation, shatter or fire to enter always spawn an appropriate consumable on the same floor for example which seems a bit silly.
How important is, to you, the inclusion of playable races with widely different body types in a game?Shorter (dwarves, half-lngs, gnomes...) or just different (centaurs, giant ogres, dudes with 4 arms, with 2 heads...).I'm making a game (small one, just my first one, mostly to learn the ropes) with graphics and having very different bodies is a problem. On the other hand I understand having multiple races and all being humans with different skin colors and ears is not as cool, even if they feel different to play
>>559344796Well it obviously depends on the kind of game, you can just use a different coloured @ for roguelikes.
>>559344796Literally don't give a shit, that kind of thing's for the build autists whose posts bore me to tears.
>>559344796You are not talking to an aesthetically fixated community.However, simply calling your tanky human an ogre is essentially free. So, what's more "interesting" to you? Do you prefer the world which is implied by having centaurs, or do you prefer the world which is implied by tossing marathon runners into a dungeon? Is a goblin more interesting, or is an orphan? Deep elf summoner, or schizophrenic summoner?It's not our dream, and it's not the races which can be lame or cool. It's you. You're ether lame or cool. So, dream well, and wear your heart on your sleeve, where we can see it. There's nothing more boring than someone who pretends not to have a heart.
>>559344969>>559344974>>559345491Thanks everyone
>>559344796Functionally it's just a set of options at the start of the game with different values. So it really depends on what you want to do with it.You could do exactly the same with different models of robot for instance.So really, should first work out how you want your game to functions, what setting you want and match everything to that.
why can't the combat in CDDA be made fun? The simulated tab battles just don't feel realistic at all
People who say there aren't much tactics needed in Achra are clueless. I would have lost this fight if I didn't move to this exact position so my blood mages were out of range of the boss and my skeles moved in a conveyer belt fashion into the boss' aggro.
>>559352905Taking the enemy's range into account before doing stuff is as basic as it gets and you don't even need to do this 95% of the time. I like the game but it's limited for this and it's okay to admit it
Is it just me or is hunter way better than all the other classes in mewgenics?
>>559355240No, it is. Even without synergies, there's basically no dud abilities on it; even the infestation trap is okay upgraded.
Is Goritaire a roguelike
tactics games are NOT roguelikes no matter how good mewgenics is
>>559356642I'm sorry for replying. I thought I was on the /v/ thread.
>>559356905don't apologize, it's not like there are any real rulesI'm just screeching because I like it
>>559356642It's at least closer to a rougelike than most tactics games.Probably not enough to allow, with the confusion it would cause later.
I savescum
>>559359119How boring, i find no enjoyment if i can just undo my mistakes
>>559360945That makes a lot of sense if say the game is not very long, but if it's something like qud or cdda then yeah. If the average game time to complete a game is more than 5 hours long, I consider it alright for me to do.
>update BN>suddenly like 80% of doors in houses are locked and cannot be unlocked by opening them from the outside
Holy fuck. I almost choked this on the last second like a dumbass lmao. I tried moving a tile away from the final boss to get out of his line of sight and he instantly snapped to me (speed is really weird in this game. in other RLs Im pretty sure I would have been fine to take a step behind a wall when I was 5 tiles away, even as a fatfuck. Good thing Yu is broken, right chat?
>>559365503Yu is basically Chei done right, but yeah king is max speed so 5 tiles is nothing
My experience with the Achra gods tier list S+WormSPhoenix, Yu, Takhal AAgara POWER GAPCFawdaa, Oros, Mardok, Tengri EThe rest Might secretly be pretty good tierApophis
>>559367989Apophis is BIS for certain builds. Extra strength is nuts. Easy to recharge prayers is nuts. Yeah the downside is scary so you're not going to take it on everyone, but it's definitely top tier.
>>559364470Most houses doors have always been locked, and you could only unlock them by opening if you were on the inside, though?
>USB drive>disassemble to get ramgod i fucking hate BN
>>559374295That's inherited from DDA, isn't it? And you could patch it, it's literally just a JSON file, and they accept patches, anon.
>>559367989My Achra god tier list would be likeSSS (the only gods worth picking if you're trying to win)-Yu, TakhalA-Pallas, Phoenix, WormB/C-Hadad, Ashem, Apophis, Dumuzi, Oros, Eris, Agara, Angra, Mardok, Fawdaa, EreshD-Humbaba, Ikshana, Formus, DorokF-Ninhurs, Mehtar, Azhdaha
Bardlike
>>559367989>Pallas>E tier>>559376312Better but the idea that Pallas isn't a winning god is insane.
Is pokopia a roguelike?>grid based>crafting>turn basedall checked
Kino >>559385973
>>559381998>>559376312Im bluepilled on phallas. I'll try to use him in my next run.
I'm lowkey interested in trying Brogue.
FFS that was a massive fucking pain.Don't ask me why I thought this was a good idea, I don't remember.
>>559364470You mean normal house doors are immune to lock picking?
refactoring
>>559359119everyone knows you're filth. No need to point that out.
That was more fun.Basically had Pallas at my beck and call, 5 upgrades to my axe per map and at least 5 of the second damage dealing pray.Pray on enter, teleport to enemy, hit something to clear status and any other negative stacks, pray again.
>path of asscrackZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>>559386897Don't do it, it's for the insane
>>559406140I thought brogue is the noob RL?
It feels like DDA would be perfect if they just added some stuff from zomboid like its hunting, how the world ages and breaks down over time, natural forest generation and made the combat realistic like zomboid.
>>559402824I wonder how big your weapon got.
Between DCSS and ToME, which is more accessible and recommended for a beginner roguelike enjoyer? I played a lot of Elin and like it a lot and want to broaden my horizons.
>>559409918DCSS is far shorter and you can always play the dumb minotaur berserker comboTome is not *that* complicated, but you have to embrace the idea of learning all classes and their abilities, because they spawn on enemies too. It will take awhile because it has a lot of classes and like wise, a lot of enemy combo.
https://x.com/_360Genius_/status/2029417008224235687?s=20
>>559409918DCSS probably. ToME has basically an MMO hotbar for every class. There's also a lot more stuff on gear you have to take note of and consider, not to mention the questlines are less clear than 3 rune routes.
>>559410072>>559410319Alright, I'll probably give dcss a go then, thanks for your input.
>>559362240Play singleplayer games however you want. No one cares unless you try to claim bragging rights.
Achra's final floor is fucking bullshit if you don't either have infinity summons or an AoE that covers the entire level. There needs to be a consistent spawn area for the boss. Do whatever compensation buffs to him are needed if that makes the game too easy. Imagine if in Slay the Spire the final boss randomly added 10 to 20 bricks to your deck just on account of. Or maybe it even thins out your deck. Who the fuck knows. No. Every time you get to the Heart there is an organized procedure where your deck is tested. I guess Achra's test is literally what I said earlier: do you spam the screen with a 10 by 10 AoE or do you have infinity summons? No? Ok, I'm just gonna spawn the boss right next to you, or just outside of your range, oh hell even if you outrange him I'll spawn you in a stupid blocked off corridor so he can freely waltz up to you and cut off that advantage.
>>559406343It's very accessible, but you can't win consistently. Not even if you fully understand the game and play carefully, which is off-putting for some people.
>>559417927>he doesn't take 1 point in astrohuntingngmi
>>559417927Melee problems? Sometimes it is bullshit if you didn't get the items to clear status effects, and the 20 range enemies are hard to deal with on some layouts, but that's about the only way to stress test the kind of builds people have at that point in the game.
I just don't enjoy Path of Achra very much.It was ok for a bit, but I don't really want to number-max for cycleslop.
>>559420832It's easy to burn out on such a fast roguelike. Once you feel like you ran out of build ideas, there isn't much motivation to play.
>>559421035"Build ideas" is 95% of the game, which is why it sucks
I tried to do 40 levels of Pugilism build and got kited by the Ice King's teleporting bullshit.
>>559422928just walk out, you can leave! If you can't kill the king, hit the bricks!
>>559423263I did that exactly one time to make sure it works, and I felt awful afterward. The victory screen was practically taunting me, because I knew what I did.
>>559422928If you're not inflicting a billion status effects every attack with pugilism, what are you even doing?
Any roguelikes where I can roleplay?
>>559423782You can still do that with equipment.
Worm prayer 2 and Projection is actually broken. >plus 1 charge to prayer on standstill>on prayer, do all standstill actionslol
KYSKYSKYS
>>559425674Retort is a big fuck you to attack builds, but it still deals the same damage type as the monster, so you can resist it by changing equipment or just having life gain on hit.
I don't really understand the Pallas love. You guys just fuck with the third prayer? The first and second prayers are complete garbo. I thought prayer 2 might be Hits since you guys were hyping him up so much. But nah. Seems slow, situational and clunky.
>>559425908Fuck yous to attack builds>bleed>freeze>entangle >blind>sickness>tracking>that skill where the enemies tele to you>that skill where they insta attack you when getting into their range>retort>enemies that outrange youFuck yous to summoner builds>that skill where enemies inflame on you summoning>those skills where enemies get various buffs on kill>your mob just getting shredded by AoEs and really fast rangersFuck yous to standstill builds>the floor turns hot sometimes?Fuck yous to prayer builds>
>>559425968You can take Zealot and spam 3rd prayer on any weapon you want for infinitely stacking hit and block stats. Put that on a ranged weapon and get some levels of Herja. That's already enough damage to beat the game without any equipment RNG, and you can sort your defenses whichever way you want. First prayer is a full heal once per area, and second prayer is just for divine interventions.Takhal is still better though. 50k life is more valuable than a 5k hit/block weapon.
>>559425968I liked him with the class that does a free prayer on attack, permanent scaling whenever you hit stuff.
>>559084202>literal tranny fetish peepeepoopoo humour like
>>559217221Also joppa warden for example
I like my women how i like my juice
>>559431526Purple?
>>559432932Yeeeees
>>559390821Nah I mean like bathroom and bedroom doors are locked inside the house too, and I can't open front or back doors from inside without picking/crowbarring them first. Normally I just see if a side door or window is open and get in that way to unlock the doors from inside but apparently in the near future doors have keyholes on both sides instead of a deadbolt.
>>559409306>huntingDoes zomboid actually have animals now or is it still some ghetto system where you click on a patch of woodland and wait for a progress bar to fill? If so then CDDA is still better by having actual animal NPCs present, even if they are retarded and you can easily corner and punch most of them to death with your bare hands.>made the combat realistic like zomboid.Completely different systems.
I've gotten to the midgame like 5 times now so I keep forgetting to read mutations
>>559436694Brogue's font is sexxo.
>>559436694Why are pixies exploding?
>>559437604The spider is, after a certain depth enemies can spawn with modifiers. In this case it gets explosion on death which killed my 10 turn old ally. I have a new fren now at least.
>>559437908Erotic
>flame trap in swamp gas>naga tanks it this timefun run
>>559438724RIP buddy. Time to make the rest of the trip alone.
really fucking hates pixies
Again it's getting way too dicey. Clairvoyance is super good though.
>>559441394And I got krakkened. For some reason I thought they couldn't spawn in bogs and I didn't have any levitation left (and blink didn't even spawn). Probably fault.
>>559441719Yeah fault I had a confusion pot maybe I could have gotten away
Anyone else tried Dobbel Dungeon? Very cute and simple but it could really use some more meta progression outside of the runs. Even character skins would be nice for what there is.
CBN fags, does weather affect how far enemies can see or hear? I'm walking around a city during heavy rain and it seems like zeds don't notice me until I'm closer than usual and don't react to sound as much
>>559430503developer here. earnest thanks for trying it out! i hope folks aren't offended by the content. i do take roguelike design very seriously even though I am inspired by various things outside the usual sphere, such as Biohazard (Resident Evil) and the Bible Black series.the truth is existing rogue-likes have severe problems with realism. how can you go down 26 floors and never have to pee even once? we all have urethra.
>>559385750isn't it a builderslike>>559446553>meta progressionyou need to kill yourself
>>559447449yeah, I believe LoS mechanics are reciprocal, but you have better daylight vision than 100% of all enemies
>>559434625Sounds like a bug
>>559450632kinda necessary, getting run down or sniped by shit that is impossible for you to see due to the perspective would be super lame
>>559409537I redid the run and fucked up for most of it, since it turns out this gets 6 prayers per area not 5 so this isnt actually as strong as it gets.
>>559409537>>559453896And the final stats.>>559425968Well for one, you get a flat 50% bonus to block as long as you don't use the first prayer.
>>559452823see also: Migo Scouts
>>559453896Scaling the starter Flail is a choice. I guess the real god run is to restart until you get a good weapon from the first stage.
>>559454880Yeah, the best weapon would be pretty much any fire weapon but iirc, neither the scythe or axe showed up until after the first or second tower and the dex/str sword didn't show up at all so I didn't bother.I might do the run again at some point and get rid of the skirt too so I get 7 prayers and super buff either the flail or whatever decent weapon shows up in the first two areas.
Got a W with this dogshit prestige. Only to had to abuse Crystal Form, Crow Visage, and The Worm together to make it remotely playable.
>>559464248breh
>>559464248>dreamer>dogshitIf this is bait, I failed immediately
>>559464598>>559464684I re-read the description of Dream and realize you MAYBE could do shit with psychokinesis and an On Being Attacked centered playstyle. But would that really even be good? Meh. I like having speed in Achra cuz it makes me feel way more safe and in control. To me there's no difference between Treeform and shit like Dreamer. You're just a sitting duck with two schools of magic that have terrible frontline mobs and just asking to get run the fuck over by a stampede of fast enemies or get unlucky with a super ranger shredding your ass from 20 tiles away.
>>559453896You gotta pump those numbers up.
>>559466225Anon, Dreamer + Yu + crystalform + kairos skirt is probably the strongest build in the game.
>>559466225I did Dreamer Secutor with 50 strength so I couldn't go below that minimum speed. Game turn builds can get a lot of value just by pressing space, especially if they get Master Repulsion.
Are games like Doors of Trithius and Stoneshard roguelikes?
>>559477161I seem to remember stoneshard being a roguelike but I haven't played it
>>559477161What makes you think they aren't roguelikes? Assuming you play permadeath of course (like ToME and Elona offer non permadeath play)
My life is like if you cleared the first 2 or 3 floors of achra and then just taped down your 5 key.
>>559479496hell yeah
>>559467229Glad to see more joining the Pallas cult.
>>559479496Explain in another roguelike's terms
>>559492623Like if you cleared the first few floors of Nethack, then just taped down your . key
>>559477161I want to love Stoneshard but god do I hate how a ton of builds are barely viable because the combat mechanics are obviously designed for one on one fight but 99% of the fights are 1 vs many, and the wound system make any fight a rng based shitshow where one unlucky strike can effectively spell doom for you due to compounding effects ie getting hit on the head or hands almost always result in death due to confusion or constant fumbles. I remember hitting a wall when reaching the 3rd or 4th city by the sea because groups turn into 5 to 6 guys in plate armor with shields rushing you before you can even react and retreat may as well be suicide due to opportunity strikes.
Luv prayer women
>>559469387NTA but I tried that with Yu and it flopped pretty hard, first time with Pallas and not only did I win but I won with struggler prestige.Praise Pallas!
>>559469387>>559503661Suck it 96% of players.
every single ally in the depths is destined to die a horrific death
>>559506286getting sick of this game's shit
>>559507605SHH
>>559507935can't belive it flashbangs you
>>559508660No coincidence I win the first time I ID the best armor runic in the game, lets you kill anything 1v1 including Dragons and Horrors (didn't try the mutated one though). The game's tedious as fuck I have no interest in doing the 40 floor mastery thing.
Destroyer is a yucky class.
Is this a good place to discuss roguelike deckbuilders?
>>559518264No.
>>559518264Nah, just go to /indie/
>>559518423>>559518684aight
>>559518264We like our 2D grids.
>>559518264
>be me>try 0.H from repos>play>go to truck>try to get something from the car>crash>close it, never play it for a couple months>be today>go to github>get latest 0.I rc>play 30 mins>go to truck>try to pick something from truck>crash again>retry>crash again>fuck this, I am going to fix this>git clone cdda>download all 11.51GB>Resolving deltas: 100% (691892/691892), completed with 4733 local objects. >fatal: missing blob object '6572dc0a7392a75eecd9bd19cdb8397d35433e54' >error: remote did not send all necessary objects >fuck>try to do it again with different commands>>error: remote did not send all necessary objects I give up. They are so busy adding faggorty items that they have the same bug between 1.5 year old releases and on 2 different machines with 2 differes OSes.
>>559524636>having hope for DDAYou played yourself, anon. I reported a map corruption bug about four years ago that has been in the game since the Whales days and one of those faggots told me that since you could /theoretically/ fix your save, (supposing you hadn't played very long, or had only traveled in a straight line, and you knew which version of the game you were on for each saved map tile) it was therefore not a bug that the game fucked up my map and was spitting out errors. Pure jackassery.
Brogue and Dwarf Fortress (might be cheating because the ASCII mode uses some symbols among the basic keyboard characters) have the best looking ASCII.
>>559530126DF's ascii looks like accent-mark vomit to me. I prefer the clean look of Cataclysm's ASCII`
>>559530352It's been a long time since I played DF but I used a clean square ascii and a color palette I edited myself and you can get it looking really nice. I don't like the way Cata looks at all but I think it's just the clutter and nothing can save it for me.
>unironically died to a fucking floor trapI HATE SLOW BUILDSI HATE SLOW BUILDSI HATE SLOW BUILDS
>>559540661>2170 hpngmi
>>559541246>>559541246I was in the process of leveling it. If I was on a neurotypical build with more than -5 speed I could simply just take a step off the trap.
>Play ADOM>Just found out about the vile spirit mechanic>Uninstall, refundGay and retarded. I'm being deadass here.
>>559544798Ghosts of slain players go all the way back to Hack, do you even roguelike? (Actually I sometimes wonder if anybody in /rlg/ roguelikes)
>>559545736Bruh I just started playing lmfao.. 49+ hours into it on Steam
What's the consensus on Cataclysm: The Last Generation? Worse than BN? Better?
>>559548246It's DDA with somewhat different realism autism, so worse IMO. Thread consensus seems to hover around there, but a few people seem to like the direction it's going.
>scared I would job to the final boss so I fought the optional boss for more XPI unironically think I needed it. Also I really do wish other gods had more reliable prayer recharge per floor. Other gods unironically say shit like +1 when your ant kills something. l0l. Even if you're a paragon with +1000 inflame and berserk that ant is killing like 2 enemies a floor max. Or other gods have stuff like +1 when you breakdance next to a cliff. Nah, I'm good bro.
>>559553435>no newtformBut why
>Mehtar gives 5 Projection for freeAnother 30 point garbage build.
>>559544798you can literally turn those off
>>559557505I mean.. If it's part of the original game I feel like I'm being a little bitch boy if I do turn it off.. Almost hitting 50 hours I am surprised I even seen them before or maybe I have and don't remember.
>>559557780it was controversial enough to have an on off switch when it was added to adom, particularly since there is a location that uses how many times you have died to be allowed to enter. Due to how adom is played it also means the majority of earlier game areas are going to have all the ghosts with the smc being unnavigable with a large enough graveyard record.
>>559558179SHIEEEEEEEET....
Holy fucking cringe. How dare I try to use a non-meta god.
>>559561781Its fine, you got siku and frostpulse thats enough to carry
>>559544798I would have uninstalled and refunded the second I saw that Mario if He Real ass artstyle
>>559561781Why did you max strength on an afk build?
>>559564038Not him but frostpulse adds encumbrance per level
>>559561781Dorok is good though, you just built poorly. No idea why you went with crystalform and master freeze when your best prayer removes those. Raising str for encumbrance makes no sense either, just eat the low speed and raise will for actual damage and healing. Especially when you're using lizard visage. Frostpulse also has horrible single target damage, dunno why you went into it that hard. Seems you split your effort between an encumbrance build and a freeze build and kind of failed to do either.
>>559496020Can you kite em?
Some time later...
>>559570505Overall, I think the Agra axe has more potential.I wonder how that would turn out using the astral redeal dmg sash, could get some big numbers then.
Rawr
>>559585749We're getting gay married, I'm afraid.
Got a the lair gem using inkwell talisman. I'm an octapode. Rings currently are 2 dexterity, 2 prot, and 1 slay, which isn't bad, but isn't actually doing work for me.Instead, earth magic is doing work. Barreling bolder kills most things 1v1 or 2v1, and for everything else, I can petrify and then take off my talisman so that I can get some dagger stabs, even if the odds are sometimes low.I've also got air magic, but at this point only swiftness is really significant, and often just to get enough space to cast bolder.In one crazier fight, I was using the slow from new AoE petrify along with the knockback of bolder to slowly pick apart a large yak fleet, basically in the open, so you get the idea of how this plays currently. Also, I've found mana regen, but I don't think it's required, yet.
>>559589410Boulder is such a stupid overpowered spell. Not a fan of all the new spells being extremely broken in exhcnage for some minor tedium I don't think it makes the game more.enjoyable.
>>559592746is it better than the alternative, where the spell is kind of lame and boring but always works, just not as well as you'd like it to? (Iskenderun's Mystic Blast)especially when compared against others, like throw icicle at the same level
>>559589410Made it to the bottom of Spider nest. Got 2 gems now. This was NOT clean.I've been switching to other talismans where specifically appropriate. I invested in 7 ss, might as well go 8 and then use what I've paid for. I still spend most time in inkwell, and start fights in inkwell form. Basically, I used iceform in order to have resistances against ice statues, and use mushroom or medusa when I want to get stab bonuses. While having a larger mana pool is nice, it doesn't do much in the face of ghostmoths. The first was handled using lightning rod. I think one was killed by a charmed demonic crawler. Those are really good followers. I got summon icebeast and fordge blazeheart followers, and tried using them, but they don't do that much and don't work well with bolder. It's still worth having them around, I suppose, but the explosion from blazeheart wakes everything up. Think carefully before using that one.Inkwell saves time by generating mp on hit against petrified targets. This is actually a great use of icebeast, since it will slowly kill the petrified target and I don't have to swap to medusa every time I want to kill a petrified target. Basically, you don't have to wait for mp to regenerate, which matters if you're going for gems.I entered the spider vault with like 100 turns left and a Steelbarb worm by my side. There was only a demonic crawler in there, because I had already made plenty of noise outside the vault and attracted most of the enemies. Very close fight, no mp left. Might have been easier if I used cigotuvi's at some point during this dive.Stat spread is18 stealth16 dodge8 fighting4 short bladeshighest spellschool is earth, with 12 earth/conj11 alch10 air9 ice8 necro7 summon/forge/firenote that all those are boosted by 4 from inkwell8 shapeshift, 4 evocationsFeels like I'm getting outscaled, and yet I mostly don't get touched, still. Mp regen has definitely been required recently. Shoals is next gem.
The axe this time, I didn't quite max it out, I didn't get it before I got 3rd prayer and I'm pretty sure I forgot to use up the 3rd prayer at least once.
>>559600713That said, the results were pretty funny.
>>559600872The damage would have been higher but the KoMC didn't even last a single round of direct combat.Basically it went, I started out 4 tiles from the KoMC, I prayed and teleported to an arbiter, I minced him, I stepped towards the king and every arbiter on the map tried to jump me and most of them died instantly, I killed the last in melee, the king got scotched as an after effect, I prayed and put myself next to the king and scotched him some more, I then attacked and he died in less then a single combat cycle.
>80% of /rlg/ still asleep
>>559609831No I'm awakeI'm just uh. Not playing roguelikes. Gomen.
Elona or cataclysm bright nights if i have autism?Or its comparing apples to pears?
>>559609831I'm about to start playing Achra. Thought of some new build ideas on my night walk.
>>559596983>>559596983Was holding an orb of mesmerizeA ghost moth can be handled by just melee attacking as medusa, with Sinv, in this case. Would have been good to know.Got Shoals gem. Was a bit cleaner. Didn't summon very much, so that exp is kind of going to waste. Bolder can't handle shoals turtles very well, or swarms of harpies, or fauns who can hit you at a distance in a group. Still, the distance and stalling it causes let me use petrify, which is a kill on whatever it affects. It effects like everything here, particularly the harpy swarm, 70% or so. You don't want to deal with the bigger turtle and other things at the same time. Charm wand and sack of spiders rescued me in that case.I've got a flying ring, which matters a bit around here.Water nymps do smite-targeted damage is you're over water, which caused me to use a blink scroll. Long as you keep them away from you and stay on dirt, they can't do much.Javaliners counter boulder perfectly, so airstrike was finally useful again. Petrify might have been good enough, but it isn't what I used. However, the attempt ends shortly after. Despite 60 evasion, I got low from a wind drake and then got sniped by a satyr. gg.Slowest game I've played in forever. Didn't lose to outscaling. Misplayed by fighting that drake in a large group without retreating fully or even using swiftness. Must respect smites more.test inconclusive
this asshole killed my wife
Can someone please for the love of Phoenix explain how the FUCK Retort is balanced? Yeah it's fucking balanced if you're holding down your 5 key like everything else in this bullshit game. And now I'm sure if I do the same exact run, but build around this retard showing up, I'll get some boss that will punish me for not getting 50 additional attacks on initial attack.
>>559619520Check for melees attacking 20 extra times per attack instance
>>559611091yeah it'll be fine either wayBright Nights is free at least
>>559619520I'm pretty sure this boss just straight up hard counters this build no matter how I slice it.>attack the boss>he retorts me and inflames because of my summons>uhh I'll just attack then step over and over>teleports to me and one shots me >uhh I'll just attack then wait>lose all my charge and the boss closes in on meRetarded. Put this asshole in the optional super boss category, not a potential mid game boss.
>>559620659Elona is free
Started playing caves of qud, and screw those exploding thumbleweeds, like they arent much of a threat but its annoying how many of them there are. Also I was wondering, how much of the game lore is randomgen vs hand made, because I've seen statues referencing things in a fashion that make it obviously procgen but others part seem too coherent for it to be the case for every lore bits.
Holy fuck this build I'm cooking up in Achra is kino. Excited to post it.
>mfw booted up cata for the first time in ages>mfw CDDA made another json change>mfw updated anon's CDDA identpol mod to work with the lastest version.>mfw there's new identpol shit in CDDA now: pronoun badge (they/them)>>559548246i played it some months back. it mostly just removes a bunch of stuff. for example it removes autonote.although i do agree that cdda is bloated, it kinda seems like BN does that already, better.
>>559627275HOLY FUCKING KINO. This has to be one of my favorite runs yet. I even pissed on that bastard Robak (he was the reason for the uno divine intervention though).
>>559633291Stinky brud woman
>>559635794Would l**king her [redacted] apply doom to you?
>>559628807>pronoun badgethere is also 'pride pin, asexual'
Bro ... I thought 4chin would go down forever ... I was so scared that I'd be alone forevermore ...Roguelikes for this feel?
>>559643471Bright Nights, disable NPCs and use the no monsters mod. Suddenly it's The Quiet Earth
>>559644085Any way to do this but with a single npc alongside you?
>>559650654Just spawn one in with the debug menu?
>>559651245Thank!
This run was really stressful. I killed Rabbi Resplendent with like 20 HP and no divine interventions left, having to step near him to deliver the final jolt to end him. Colored was also pretty tense, but not to that level. Never playing shit like this again. Also can one of you experts explain why I was machine gunning Hits with this setup? I don't get it. Something to do with the weird ass speed system?
>>559659795dual + speed probably
>playan Cataclysm BN>find a refugee center after using a computer in an evac center>it's full of gay muslims>I now, unironically, actually have a quest to find a Quran for a female welder wearing a trash bag on her head trying to lecture me about traditional metal art in Muslim culture and gender roleswhy are indie devs like this?
I hate skeletal juggernauts so fucking much>>559662431I don't think the Quran quests goes anywhere, she just gives you a little bit of moneysame with the loons in the backroom and the guitar fag; there's only three questlines worth really following in the refugee center, and that's the Old Guard, the Merchant and the Doctor. some of the other ones are interesting enough, like getting the schizo his boxes, that's a good one
>>559662431Inherited from DDA, that said, it should be removed or changed.For now though, the best thing you can do is mini nuke the shelter.
>>559663875old guard makes you a US Marshall and that's cool enough to doI enjoy fighting NPCs anyway and he gives you a fairly constant supply of them
>>559664020>trying to bring back the government that destroyed the world in the first placeYou should nuke him twice, at least then he might produce some quality comics in the wasteland his masters produced.
>>559664331I don't think you understand just what powers a US Marshall has in the US Government lol, especially in emergency situations like thiswhen you find snakes in the government you can just hang them or shoot them
>>559664427I did that quest line a while back and the goal was to rebuild the US as it was before the cataclysm.In other words rebuild it with everything in place that let the retards ruin the world the first time.
Been playing Approaching Infinity during the downtime. I've gotten 2 impromptu "quests" to help repair a stranded ship and both times I just slaughtered everyone on board and commandeered it. It was off the table so I dunno if spending all my resources on some other dude's ship was gonna be worth anything so I preferred the guaranteed payout of replacing my rustbucket. I have this suspicion that I'm doing what the devs expect, maybe they'll double cross me anyway and I'll have to fight in a less prepped position if I did do their handyman work for them. Or maybe they will give me a ship's worth of value? Dunno lol.
>>559664805fuck you, communist
>>559662431>this shit on top of the "le choose your own fun" AKA "people will just min max so we gotta be autistic like this!" character creatorFinal straw. Cata has officially left my 'acklog.
I HATE ROGUELIKES
Roguelikes are lgbt territory
>>559670057>we gotta be autistic like thisWDYM, point limits are optional, you can select whatever you want to play
>>559674945sad but true it's because of the autism
Paragon is a laugh
>steam women's day sales>no cataclysm? don't most of the devs identify as women
>>559681147steam sales are done in collaboration with the devs, and the guy who put Cataclysm on steam is a crackhead who is totally AWOL
>>559508908Brogue had a bunch of things that until the very end were a pain in the ass (any water mob, early bats, anything that appears only at the end game) but a lot of stuff that was giving me difficulty for a while could be worked around (making sure to enchant support items, better IDing, parking oods upstairs) and in the end I got fairly consistent and went deep on my last 4 runs. Infra Arcana on the other hand seems designed from the ground up to be unwinnable. I have no idea what I'm supposed to be doing and half the advice you read is "go full stealth with Rogue and hope you never have to fight anything".
>>559670057Pussy imao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Nwdoa2q0A
Caves of Qud is much more fun when you stop worrying about vendors or rep grinding and just raid higher level ruins for loot
>>559695193A lot of games are like this, boring grindy side features that are ultimately inconsequential to the game.
>>559664427you can already do all that in cata. unless it lets you call in humvee supply drops, missile strikes, or something like that, being [rank] of [dead society] is about as useful as picking up a doctor's badge off a corpse.
>>559683698>Suddenly, the walls collapse!
I'm trying to get back into nethack and man is it not like riding a bikeI forgot you had to enter the konami code just to open a frigging chest
>>559706715https://tung.github.io/DynaHack
keeperrl rl enough for rlg?
>>559681039Horrorform into vineform mogs.
>>559707115Do you want your mom?
Both Dorok and Poise are so fucking worthless. Might as well be playing an ASStral character.
>>559675380>point limits are optionalExactly the problem
>>559695769>picking up a doctor's badge off a corpse>he doesn't know
>>559706715o->directionI'm old, so maybe I'm misremembering the konami code?>>559707115Sure, why not?>>559718103So you can have point restrictions, but you voluntarily selected free-form, and that's somehow the game's problem?
>>559719772You forgot to check for traps by pressing alt+t 10 times, the chest explodes, you die
gott in himmel
>>559664331I often stop progressing the Old Guard quest at that point. It just feels wrong.
>>559667825Maybe you should try joining the KGB, so that when you find snakes inside the communist system, you'll have the legal authority to have them executed.
Which kinesis is better for punch builds? I like the entangle one, with bleed thorns it shreds enemies like crazy
>>559719539that was the joke
>>559735824You got me, then
>>559736493did you have a cheeky laugh
Does a Roguelike that's reminiscent of Daggerfall exist?
>>559719772>So you can have point restrictions, but you voluntarily selected free-form, and that's somehow the game's problem?>open up RPG>flooded with a bazillion options>game: just b urself and choose your own fun we won't limit you! :)No. Stop being autistic and use a point system. And no, the "how OP your character is" thing is bullshit. The spergy min-max seethers with 10000 hours can mod their game or whatever if they are bored.
>>559741761>use a point systemThere's literally a point system. It's the default option when you make a new character last I checked, you have to specifically select freeform.>spergy>seethersKinda getting ironic here
What if dcss backgrounds gave +1 to relevant aptitudes?
>>559735358Pyrokinesis is probably the best overall. Entangle has great single target damage for sure, but the fire school is better because you get passive fire resist for putting points in it, and you can get fire healing on every hit.
I got another unhinged Achra build idea involving the Psychonaut. It even uses a low... tier... GAWD.
>>559722538I've got a better idea
Snakeform should have said: -1 inflexibility per stack of 10. Imagine how that useless form would skyrocket to fun niche territory.
>>559756950Snakeform is good if you were playing melee anyway.
So it ended up being perhaps a bit more generic than I liked. I was trying to get cute and figure out a way to make Myrmidon viable because of that sexy shield she has, but it ended up being too painful and clunky. Also I gotta say WTF is that damage? That was the quickest final boss fight I've seen on cycle 32. 6000 repulsion, Jade Veil, and loincloth is really enough to dome him like that? My last fucking run took like 45k charge to finally finish him off.
>>559762297>Low health>No shirtBold
Just 17 days until Stoneshard saves roguelikes
Soon, brothers
>>559764703I thought everyone hated that trash?
>>559769227It made enough money to be in early access for 20 years so no
Cataclysm
>>559783706wow ...
