Knockdown Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/post-207811>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://www.deadfrag.com/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>558993959
Silver!
Sex with Venator
>>559047839Vex with Senator
can i get ONE DECENT VICTOR in my TEAM that isn't ME
Yurilock
May I have uhhhhhh, unstable concoction on Victor please?
Why didn't these people play dota?
>Start playing Venator because I can actually get him consistently now>He's insanely fun and I end up carrying most gamesHoly fuck, Yoshi actually made a fun m1gger, I hate Wraith and Haze because I think they're boring and it's very refreshing to have a hero who has both fun abilities and multiple viable builds instead of a hard meta (like what old Viscious had before nerfs made punch build the only viable one)
>3 street brawl games>3 sevens doing an ult build>3 games without a knockdownepico
IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE WORLD
>Paige+Viscous>spammy Celeste ult>4 base assaults>3 midboss attemptsHard to describe this pain
>>559047839yes
>>559048086>Tranny>Older woman fetishSorry trantards, hags (and Mina ha) are for white men
>>559048086Are you implying they actually play deadlock instead of just shitting up social media all day?
Did he influence drifter, or would it have been too short of a window for them to make a whole new character between when the movie came out and he got added?
>>559048086Because dota feels like dog vomit to play. My friends tried to teach me multiple times and each time I dropped that shit because it feels awful to control.
once the Abrams nerfs roll in matchmaking will be brutal, every game will have a massive feeder who's used to being an immortal gorilla, shit's going to be horrible
>>559046605>strengths: dude she just jumps on you and instakills you it's so op>weaknesses: everything>verdict: S+So it seems, so it seemsSeriously though was this list made by an initiate or an eternus? For real
who do you think will get buffed and nerfed in the new patch
>>559049250Hopefully Rem, Celeste, and GRaves get nerfed into the ground.
>>559048293I really hope Warden's voice actor isn't also a placeholder. I like that we have a very chuuni / capeshit character. He sticks out and all the lines about him are how he's weird and sticks out.
gay sex with apollo
>>559049012>Abrams nerfsHe already has been nerfed
>>559049250>NerfCelesteApolloSilverMelee Venator
>play venator>get max grenade>get inhibitor>so called "unkillable" characters like silver and victor stop existinglol
>>559048737If they kept the old model placeholder model where he was skinnier I could see him being somewhat referenced from the Sinners guy but I doubt it.
>>559049227Every match of Silver is a diceroll on wherever enemy team buts CC for her or not. The chances of it are directly proportional to the lobby rank.Well never see Silver in pro play if she won't get buffed
>tfw viscous decides you're the one he wants to spam punch on over and over and over again in every single teamfight
>Just found out Calico ult cooldown gets REDUCED in Street Brawl.Holy fuck, you cannot get more blatantly retarded and obvious that you're picking favorites.
>>559049464how is melee ven? Why is it so good, whats the build?
>>559048075>Got Infinite bullets on GravesGuess what happened next
>>559049757You used your no aim gun to kill people? I got electric slippers Victor instead and slid around people. Which was actually kinda fun
>>559048086My reason for not playing DOTA is I genuinely hate the click to move mechanic, WASD feels too natural for me atp
Is we joining
>>559049654She's literally not a hero without her ult. The cat is completely useless
>play Sven>winit's as shrimple as that
>>559049892Post your best team name
>>559048737I think that drifter was planned out beforehand, but Remmick absolutely had to be an influence on drifter’s characterization. There are too many shared factors between them for it to be entirely a coincidence
>the matchmaking algorithm doesn't prioritize making sure that everyone in the team and/or the match is archon 1 for example but instead prioritizes the average rank of everyone combined being archon 1explains a lot why it's so bad
Daughter who I love eternally and forever (in other words, very much)
>have Drifter as my only double prio hero>don't get him>nobody in the lobby has himI didn't look at the bans so maybe he was banned but if that is the case why the fuck even put me in that game? Just fucking wait and put me in a game where he's not banned/ God the way hero selection and bans in this game works is so fucking retarded.
>>559048737>>559049562>>559050315https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Mx-ouEMWsthis needs to play when drifter ults
>upload profile on statlocker out of curiosity>weapon accuracy bottom 1%
>>559048737drifter is cajun
OWL RAT NEUTRALIZED
>>559050684Just become a Graves one trick and you'll be in the top 1% in no time
>>559047762The black woman of Valve unoriginality. These are two different characters.
What is the point of the bonus spirit damage on Haze's fixation?50 spirit damage every 20 shots seems pretty terrible.
I'm killing myself
>>559048293How do I into warden?
>>559050986average doorman experience
>>559050986Just pick another hero until he gets buffed, jesus.There's a balance patch soon and he's definitely going to get buffed.
>>559048737>>559050658
>>559049987Uh huh, sure, ignore bombs which got buffed to do more damage, her dash with heals her and damages. Cat? Free movement. Then her ult is fucking busted, makes her invincible and resets her other cooldowns.
>>559050941extra flat damage early and procs spirit dependent debuff items, but people give her tesla anyways
>>559050941Proccing items and it's also mostly for lane.
>>559051269Cat does NOTHING in Brawl. It's literally not an ability.Calico's strength is in her mobility around the map and roaming. In a mode where there's one lane and roaming has no value, it's obvious she needs something to compensate.
>do street brawl>skill rating goes upwutexplain
So what is Warden channeling during his ult? It looks like some type of inter-dimensional ghost.
>>559051405lots of burst damage
>>559051478who cares, he will not falter
nice lane niggers
>>559051478The indomitable human spirit.
>>559051532lmao how in the fuck
>>559051518Yeah, all relying on the ult. After which she doesn't do much. Downtime that's fine in the normal game, not when the mode is nonstop brooling
>>559051478why does it matter, in a few seconds it'll all be over.
>>559051579silver and celeste are usually played by retards so they probably don't even know what denies are or how to do it
>>559051231He’s definitely gonna get a workshop skin of him if valve does that for deadlock
>>559048737who?
>>559050986>64 minute game, loseI will never understand how people can enjoy mobas
Alright this is a funny little combohttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/TERp-O_FTW0
>>559051579>>559051724They were retards but they also both have abysmal guns for last hitting and silver always killed creeps for some reason instead of letting them die or meleeing them.Easiest lane ever, we didnt even fight them coz they hit hard af, I just said they can't last hit and focused boxes and denies.
MY TEAMMATES ARE ALL MORONS
>>559052284do be like that sometimes
>>559051619Letting her spam an invincible double burst damage ult does not make up her any sort of bad kit. It just accentuates how broken her fucking ult is. If she's nothing without her ult, fucking remove it and make the rest of her kit let reliant on it. At that rate, just give her 100% uptime on it so she can literally never take damage for even a frame
>>559052284Don't post this faggot
>>559052284Same, unfortunately they're also my friends.
>win teamfight>last enemy walker is mid>"lets go mid">ok, sounds good>i push the walker with 1 other guy>then i realize the rest of my team is doing mid bossplease just give us a mid boss ping
>>559052064Go watch sinners
>>559052284this is true, they never buy any items to counter the enemy and make their lives easier
>>559049892sucks cause this shit will probably destroy regular matchmaking and i hate having to use these to play the game.
>>559052676why? there's no issue in the normal game.they're called ULTIMATE abilities for a reason
>>559052929The auto pings fucking suck and I wish they would remove them. When I ping someone that I'm on the way, it's automatically a caution ping and my retard teammates will back up if I don't say it out loud on mic, even if they're winning the fight
been playing for a week but no longer really having fun. each game is decided by who has the 0-20 feeder(s) and there appear to be no comeback mechanics
>>559053132They already tried Faceit queue like a year ago
>>559050919What? Haze is cool as fuck. The only issue is that they should have kept her long hair.
>>559049987>She's literally not a hero without her ult>Ult is up every 40 secondswow
>>559053356Yeah, which is why the cooldown is reduced
>>559050986what rank
>>559053138>frame 1 damage, makes you invincible, let's you chase for free with high speed, bonus damage at the endthat's not an ult, that's fucking three of them
How can the matchmaking be this bad?
>>559053704>let's you chase for free with high speedyou can just dash out of italso any vertical movement and you're out of the damage range
not gonna lie bros nothing is more fun than farming as victor the whole game
>farm/lane janny all game>enemy team makes retarded mistakes like getting caught out of position and chainfeeding>team wins game on its own pretty muchI always seethe a bit when this happens
>>559053970>t.
>My friend who is mediocre as fuck at this game and uses metro builds but at least played strong characters like abrams or haze swapped mains to Silver.>Silver is MY main and now I have to flip a coin on top of other people queuing for silver, getting his feeding, overextending, Optional-item ignoring, L2R ALWAYS, lightning scroll-pilled ass on her.
>>559050986the kek man
>>559053842Lol, lmao, it doesn't matter how you dash away, she'll stay on top of you because it just makes her faster.Also, blatantly false, you cannot double jump over it, it still has a big hit box above it
>>559054901If only there were things like walls or ropes or any geometry or any abilities that could be used to get additional vertical distance in this game
i'm a graves main that sometimes plays mina and celeste but i'm not very good at the game but i like playing with silvers and abrams and dynamos
>>55905490120% movespeed with no stamina usage, no vertical mobility, and no other mobility options means anyone with a brain will get out of it before the second damage instance
how many stacks is "good stacks" on vini also feel so fucking lost after like 20 minutes
>>559053132It won't
Imagine how good movement would be if the game didn't have stupid obtuse source physics bullshit
I keep posting Uma shit here by mistake, FUCK
what celeste build do i use
>>559055489metro
>>559055243source engine is the only one that allows good movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ngi_R7Hw-E
>>559055489eido is actually so insanely good at this game if I saw one of his builds for a hero I'd play I would naturally gravitate towards it
How many Deadtards are former Dotards?
160 hours in and I FINALLY had a Dynamo on my team that wasn't a worthless piece of shit. He had a midboss stealing black hole that actually won us the game.
newbie here, what does 4.8k spirit investment mean? I sometimes see it mentioned in builds and stuff
>>559055772The nutty professor is always good though. Stomp is cracked even if he never black holes
>>559055830Once you hit 4.8k net worth you have to find the investor gremlin hiding in your lane and melee him for 10 permanent stat buffs
>>559055830Each color of item gets a huge power spike at 4.8k investment in said color so depending on your hero even if you're not a primarily spirit damage dealing hero it can be advantageous to still get 4.8k worth of spirit items.
>>559055915Sure, that doesn't change the fact that I've never had a good one on my team until tonight.
no bro you dont get it this character is a carry so its ok that they're totally fucking OP and superior to 99% of the cast its called being a carry they don't have to change anything its perfectly balanced since its a carry
>>559055830The game never explains it, but if you hold tab and hover over your spirit level, and each of thr stat bars on the lower left, you see stat growth breakdowns. You get a buff for having a certain amount in each color item with 4.8k being the most significant cost:benefit
>>559056202Infernus sucks tho
>>559054571you know that made me think how i unironically spent hours on diablo 3 mindlessly walking aroundvictor really is the same experience
>>559056202thats how mobas are balanced lil bro idk what to tell you
>>559056202yes thatr is the point of a carry where they need to be mega farmed at theend of a game to be useful, and carry you to victory
... incoming transmission from mayor of new yorkMIRAGE IT'S YOUR LONG LOST BROTHER MAMDANI, I NEED YOU TO SAVE NEW YORK, BY KILLING REM, DO IT NOW OR THE RITUAL WILL FAILRem locatedFUCK YOU MIRAGE, YOU AND MAMDANI WONT CATCH ME IF I MAKE IT TO THE ISLAND IN TIMEGet in position.. FLANK. THAT. RAT.Target lockedNOW'S YOUR CHANCE, KILL THAT RAT.Don't make me solo ult you..Knock down activatedQUICK, USE YOUR "TWO"Optimal Djinn marks achievedUSE YOUR "THREE", YOU HAVE EIGHT STACKS YOU DON'T NEED ANY MORE!oo..Owl rat neutralizedGreat work, head back to Headquarters for briefing
>>559056202grey talon and vindicta being top winrate picks were dark times
What's the counterplay to Drifter's ult? guy presses R and I literally can't see anything and none of my targetted skills can land on anyone.Surely there's got to be some weakness to it besides trying to counterspell it.
>>559055602>good movement>shaking the camera like a spasticI'll stick with the tranny games like utltrakill thanks
>tfw starting to think solo queue would be more fun than playing with my friendsTrying to hardcarry in this game feels so much more hopeless and frustrating than traditional shooters.
>>559056202This but unironically
>>559055962>>559056230I see, thanksI'm guessing each hero has a color they generally want to hit investment in first? is there like a guide for that somewhere or will it be obvious the more I play?
>>559056383counters->Surely there's got to be some weakness to it besides trying to counterspell it.no
>>559056376run away
>>559049892>>559053132retard
>>559056376if im not the one ult'd, i literally scream in mic "LET ME BE YOUR EYES" and direct them or lead them etcthink thats what they wanted because that pos ult can last 9-10 fucking seconds. so comms is literally the only way imo
>>559056376there's none. it's baffling it works with duration because it's fucking overpowered as shit
>>559056376>What's the counterplay to Drifter's ult?If m1gger who needs to shoot at range run the fuck awayIf something like abrams, go find drifter and give him the big blue cock for doing that to you
>Drifter presses 4>hear this approaching in the distance https://youtu.be/5Zlz6CA6JCg?si=9ZZ3D50ccN2u7vui
>>559056202Only people who feed lane and can't early game complain about carries.
>>559055602This has to be the gayest fucking example you could have ever used.
Wild that Apollo still has not been meaningfully nerfed.
>>559056929how
>>559056202-but enough about Victor
losing the first guardian doesn't feel that bad, if anything i found that it makes certain things easier to do as the enemy grows overconfident + farming the lane is easierwhen it dies fast, farming the lane always feel dangerous since you have to go deeper in their baseis my thought process incorrect? i never contest the guardian that hard but i also play like a pussy early game
>>559051532They spent all the time making out
>11 minute round 1 sbbruh
>>559056427All categories has items for some type of hero, and everyone will want at least 1 big green item, so it's not something to worry about too much. 99% of thr time your build will hit 4.8 in all 3 without trying
Wgere silver nerf
is there a big sheet with everyones stat growths n shit
yoshiiii nerf the 48% winrate heroooo
>~25m or so>Silver does her kick/1 combo>Literally misses all 3 shots because I mantle then double back>Last one I get clipped by a single bullet>400 damageI had more fun before this update
>>559057325Pick Mo and autowin against her
>always buy Tankbuster on heroes like dynamo and doorman>Playing around in hideout and notice casting again while it's on CD resets the CDIs this a visual bug or is it actually really bad for skill spammers?
>>559054986Sadly, not always a guarantee to be that close to a line, wall is a little more reliable, but still a chance it hits>>559055050+50% movespeed with no friction, so she turns on a dime
>>559057495Tankbuster is a garbage item in general, but if it's at half charge when you cast it'll activate at half effectiveness.
>>559057434your resistances bro
>>559056306>they need to be mega farmed at theend of a game to be usefulexcept most of the carries in this game are literally never bad. hell the only reason people say infernus is bad because he kind of works like how you describe, bad at the start and good at the end
>mfw new player and have went against an obvious smurf stack 4 times in a row with even their worst player having 1.5 times the highest soul count of ours I'm guessing there's no unranked or only solo queue option, is there.
Surely once half-shit 3 comes out engine guys will hop projects and fix dl performance, right?
>>559057156The problem with Apollo is not that he's OP which he is. The far bigger problem is that he takes no effort or skill. You literally just button mash.
>>559057636Well then the more you know. Are the only pure spirit items for single big hit nukers boundless spirit and spirit burn then? Escalating exposure would be shit on doorman so do you build half gun?
>>559057952There's also reverb
>>559057948wouldn't really say that to be true
what do i play if i have pretty good hitscan shooter aim but i don't like being in the fray
>>559058139Abrams
>>559057948His only real weakness is that he can fall off late game. Y'know, like Mina, whose easily considered top-tier while also being harder to play.
>>559058139Vindicta
>>559057907Performance won't be prioritized til they get all their shiny new assets into the game
>>559058139Gun Bebop
>>559058280Mina scales better into late imo. Both play pretty similarly, I think Apollo is a bit more forgiving because he's not as squishy t. playing mostly either her or apollo
>>559058139Venator since he has the highest bullet velocity
is it fine to go express shot on mina to proc love bites easier
haha i ansered yur question with da opposite of wut u were asking durr huhuh
I think the datamined HP bars SUCK!
>>559058494no are you high lol
I hate item slots being tied to walkers. It just makes it that much harder to come back if you lose your lanes.
>>559057835You have no choice but to tough it out. Or just spam brool and peak over the normal mode every now and then.
>>559058793Yeah they really need to add a lot more comeback mechanics so our games can last an hour or longer
>want my friends to play>we get shitstomped>use another account with 50 hours that's ritualist>drop 30 bombs, the games are boring but my friends don't complain
i don't like the ability to come back or the ability to snowball
YOSHI! GIVE ME ANOTHER ACTIVE ITEM SLOT PLEASE!
>>559058931why
>>559058848How is it a comeback mechanic? Just give both team all 12 fucking slots from the start of the game like literally every other MOBA in existence. Literally how does locking item slots behind taking objectives make the game any better? You don't need extra incentive to take walkers when taking objectives is the entire fucking goal of the game.
>>559058931Then play a different game nigga.
>>559059013i like being kicked in the balls
you can counterspell either the lash ult locking onto you as well as the throwing part?
>>559051579Silver is dogshit at last hitting, especially if enemy has a machine gun and dedicated to cucking you.
>>559059046because you're taking away an advantage from the leading teamcomebacks have unironically never been easier. just grab the fucking urn
>>559056202It is really lame to just find out your character just sucks dick in comparison to another with equal farm amounts
>>559059104You're better off counterspelling the slam after getting tossed
>>559059165>because you're taking away an advantage from the leading teamYOU HAVE MORE FUCKING SOULS THAT IS YOUR ADVANTAGE RIGHT THERE
>>559058826I was afraid of that
>>559059270that's not a big enough advantage when pushing into the base, retardif you can't get a walker you don't deserve to win a game
>>559059230Getting repositioned is the worst part of the ult, so I'd really rather not.
>>559050990turn your body cam off
>People going on about Apollo's WR as proof he's not busted>Every new character but Rem has had their winrates steadily climb to over 50% since they came out despite being in like 70% of matches
Everyone should have the same amount of souls, your only advantage should be skilMake all items free and remove locked slots
>>559059432they made street brawl for you bro
>>559059046bro items are balanced around item slots it doesn't work like thatwhat you're complaining about is the equivalent of "why the fuck can't i jump in dark souls? i can jump in every 3d action game"
>>559058793I just had this problem with a match. I was completely fucked because I didn't have the slots
they'll just cut the damage of apollo's 1 and then move the riposte cooldown reduction to t2 instead
>>559059516You can jump in dark souls tho
>>559059583demon's souls or whatever the fuck
>>559059413he's not that good blud
phantom is elo hell. why the fuck do people still not buy utility?
>>559059523I run into this all the time it's not like I'm complaining for nothing. My retards lose their lanes and it makes it impossible to push anything and unlike them I know how to farm so I'm stuck with 3 slots locked, I have enough to buy my next item, but no slot so I have to sell something useful to buy a 6.4k item.
>>559059697It's not in my L-R build, please understand. I will bitch in all chat about characters being broken but not counter buy them
>>559059697utility doesn't make the numbers go up, buy only damage items and no greens
>>559059697I'm ascendant 5 and I never buy knockdown, curse, or slowing hex because someone else can do it and I want to have fun with my build
Which is better for a late game m1 carry? Siphon bullets or leech?
I had a fucking horrible game where I went 3/10, half my build was counters and yet I died in seconds to the enemy team regardless
>>559059773Are those my only two options? I might as well go afk in base
>>559059773Leech gets mogged by Vamp, so if it's between Siphon and Leech, Siphon
>>559059773I build this on Mirage I don't know who else I would build it on.
>>559059773leech isn't good on m1ggers, that's an item for hybrids
fuck resto shot this item is such dogshit I'm just going to be an extra regen chad on every hero
finna boutta ban the rem meistersick of this owl NIGGER
>>559060114I have bad news
>>559060114you can't :-)
wait warden is actuallly fun af
>>559060152I know I meant like, when I can
I run into the hero I ban all the fucking time the system may as well not even exist
there are no balance problems with the game until they fix them. haze could be buffed to do 10,000% extra damage and /dlg/ would find some excuse to say that actually, she's perfectly balanced and you are just pisslow. of course when that buff is finally walked back these same people will start glazing yoshi for saving the game, finally nerfing that tyrant, she was so broken thank you valve for listening to the players!!
>>559060206I really like investing two levels into the cage and putting the 800 ability range item on it, the extra range is enough to catch most people off-guard and the duration is super long, you can cheese a good couple of kills with it
>>559060286Silver whiner or bebop crierCall it
>>559060206he is easily one of the strongest heroes in the game. gun hits like a truck from minute 0 and never stops hitting hard, gets more base health and better scaling than basically everyone other than bebop, good movement + free shields, good ult cc and ability spam, he has it all. frankly he needs some kind of nerf, he's good at everything its unfair. m1 carry but has more health and hp scaling than abrams? come on at least the other m1ggers are glass cannons
>>559060286Nah, bad example, this general seethes over M1 characters even when they genuinely suck like Infernus.
>>559060558please explain why infernus is so bad this is an honest request
>>559060286>incoherent pisslow sobbing
>>559060404pair it with slowing hex and you pretty much got em every time, assuming the game clicks the right enemy to hex
niggers on /dlg/ will be oracle and call others pisslow
>>559060558Infernus quite literally melts people though>Just use debuff removerYeah so he can instantly burn me again?
is this just Mandela effect? I swear Pocket used to do more damage the longer he spent inside his 3. When was that even changed?
>Abrams>Unkillable>High mobility>High damage>Has the best high damage assassination/engage burst in the game, not even an ultimate.
>team conga lines into 1v6 despite a 20k soul lead and we lose the game>they keep split pushing the one lane without a walker up
when did you realize every lane is a cancer lane
What are these things?
>>559061019You're not supposed to criticize Yoshi's boyfriend's self-insert
>>559061126chud shaped bolas
>load up roster of m1ggers>load up greenless build>turn off all voice and text chat>queue up for a normal gameyup, it's deadlock time
>>559061126
>intense lane against mina as apollo>really close fights and clutch escapes from both sides throughout the laning phase>then post-lane mina buys a slowing hex>just give her a long look of disappointmentno respect for the game...
>>559061126it's wolf-themed bolas. But the placement is stupid as hell
Deadlock needs more characters like>graves>mo and krill>victor>bebop>kelvin>paigeDeadlock needs to remove these characters and never add characters like>paradox>haze>mina>vindicta>wraith>holliday>vyper>geist>shiv>pocket>warden>infernus>mirage>venator
>>559061327You're an aimlet, aren't you, anon?
i don't think enough people talk about how good zerggy is mechanically
>>559061327>more characters like paigeabsolutely the fuck not
>>559061374No, he's a master baiter and he reeled your ass good.
>>559061213>>just give her a long look of disappointmentyour love of the game gave her +5 love bites
>>559061439
>>559061430>i don't think enough people praise a cheater for cheatingstate of this general
>>559061213leaving if this is my lane
>>559061430I watched that autistic retard for 1 minute and closed the stream>non stop yapping and responding to or talking about random shit>just feels like he's tweaking non stopthis nigga is some extreme unsettling case of adhd
>>559061557I always read his name as "sperggy"
>>559061557yes he is a giga sperg but watching this guy play is crazy
>>559061272>>559061126I genuinely fucking thought these were wolf themed charms, I totally fucking forgot about her bolas because they don't look like them.Now I gotta fucking edit my ai chatbot.
>>559061469just +2 bats, big deal
>>559061548Apollo really wants to be in that lane though because apollo can just parry bomb and punish getting hooked.
>>559061548Apollo at least is one of the few heroes who can make this tolerable
>>559061753>>559061791*hooks you**waits 1 second as you humiliate yourself by parrying nothing**puts bomb on you and walks away*
>>559061842I always wait until the bomb is on me then I parry as it's about to go off actually :)
>>559061842You're supposed to just parry when the bomb explodes
>>559061842You parry the bomb explosion you fucking idiot what did you think I was saying?
>>559061913>>559061947>>559061979I accept your concescion
>>559062017based 1 kill - 18 deaths bebop
>>559060646>>559061019Every m1gger melts people when they get fed. That's their job. He would be literally unplayable if he wasn't capable of that. I don't think Infernus does a lot early on and even late game he's not some supreme dominating force compared to other carries. I've genuinely just never felt like he's had more of an impact than any other carry, usually less, and I'm happy to see him on the enemy team over any number of characters.
So Doorman just fucking sucks I guess
>>559062115yes
>>559061548I think it says a lot about Apollo that I'm pretty sure he handily wins this lane.
>>559048491Bad news: trans are overwhelmingly white men
>first time playing yamato>vs venator>he rapes me and I basically feed his ass>build ballistic resist>suddenly he deals zero damage and I whoop his ass>game drags on, I get hyperfed and become an unkillable killing machine late game>was building melee/tankthis character is wack
>teammate gets stuck in wall>can't use the unstuck option despite clear instructions>doesn't know how to open console>claims the commands given to him don't work after he gets it open finallyactually lost the game in the time it took him to suicide
>lash on the other team100% you're losing.
>>559061649Nobody cares, go talk to your imaginary friend.
>>559062317really hard to lose lane as Mina
People earlier were saying Metro is good. Is this Venator build bait? It's not some game losing dogshit like this one Goo Bomb build Viscous I played, but no CDR for ult, extra regen over healing rite, nothing in this build that actually helps him farm considering this build recommendation makes his 1 and 2 too long CD and too low impact for farming.I thought, generally, M1 ricers like Wraith or Mirage wanted to blitz a farm item like Tesla/Ricochet/Cultist or some Spirit investment for the same end goal.
>>559062498It's also really hard to lose lane as Apollo.
>>559062528I'm sorry anon but you were bamboozled earlier, Metro builds are pretty bad
>>559062364my Yamato experience is doing unholy burst to people, then them getting away at 10% HP because her damage is slightly too low to 100-0 unless way ahead and her cooldowns are slightly too long to reliably re-combo people trying to get away from you
>>559062594Yeah but it's a draw more often than not
>>559062528>extra regen over healing riteregen over rite is better overall unless you're really low hp
>>559062528>People earlier were saying Metro is goodYou were getting trolled. His builds are pretty medicore to downright bad.
I know people say to pick a carry if you want to win in low elo but is it a crime to want to play support a bit for fun
god damn this dude is boring to play
>>559062528that one is acceptable as far as metro builds go, but the only really viable venator build right now is melee gutshot venator
>>559062660I thought Rite is better overall unless you're in a miserably lane because Rite scales better into the midgame.>>559062612>>559062664>
>>559050986>switch to the the overpowered yiffslop>winMany such cases>>559056408kino
>>559062668whats sad is paradox used to be a very viable carry but has been nerfed dozens of times into a support that only works in high ranks
Im new, is this a good build for surviving early laning phase?
>>559062646from my little experience her hook is absolutely retarded
what has gone wrong in your life for you to pick mcginnis?
>>559062658It's not a 1v1 though, bro.
i hate how you can only parry heavy melees. like billy has an ability that looks like a heavy melee but you can't parry it without counterspell. very unintuitive and forces you to learn what the animation of these abilities look like
>>559063023Engineer players.
>>559061213You think Mina's have any honor? They're playing fucking Mina, they're here because she still nukes players with love bites and rake combo.
>>559062921>no regentrash
>>559063046you sure made it sound like it
>>559062921Nope, you won't survive, all the OP character ignore all of this.
>>559063023Wall is just a really funny ability and I wish it was on a more interesting hero.
>>559063023I want to spread mcginnis's ass cheeks and sniff after a long day of her on the job
>>559049613Parry it
>>559063117I like Mina because every part of her design from the tempo and sound of her gunshots to proccing lovebites giving permanent ult damage is designed to annoy the enemy, and it fits with her personality. Same reason I play viscous
>>559063023I just love Miniguns, ok? Still, it's a shame McGinnis is kinda trash compared to a bunch of other M1 carries
>>559061439>>559061482THE LAND IS CLOAKED IN DEEPEST BLUE
>>559061548your reactive barrier sir?
>>559063186No, if you really wanted to go that route then I made it sound like a 1v2. But obviously you wouldn't say that because it'd clearly be a retarded, bad faith interpretation of my post, right?
>>559063297Not a single character is as infuriating as a good Sinclair.
>>559050919Haze and Calico are fine, Calico and Wraith are the ones I'm always mixing up because they're both purple black women with big coats
>>559063621They really need to do something about them eventually as I barely remember they exist and when I do I get them confused
>>559063613>playing drifter>enemy team has sinclair>every teamfight is double-blindthis is stupid as hell
>>559063613How does one get good woth Sinclair? His bolt never goes where I intend it to
Why does no one play Mina in street brawl? Makes you think
>be me>low oracle>trying to get decent with billy>bad>getting stomped in lane vs Warden/Ivy>0/5/1>Genuinely playing like I'm brain damaged>start playing super safe.>super farm>jumping in only when my team has started a fight or gets jumped>come back well enough>end positive>Win>"Thanks for the carry">get MVPkek. I definitely didn't deserve it
>>559063796Shoot upwards or fake a miss behind them then redirect it.
>No Ada Wong Mina mod Lame
