Thank you Toriyama edition!Two anime series, Dragon Ball Super: BEERUS and Dragon Ball Super: Galactic Patrol, have been announcedAge 1000 game project announcedXenoverse 2's Future Saga Ch. 3 is outFighterZ new balance update is outGekishin Squadra is out. 18 is currently the free weekly character.AGE 1000 TEASERhttps://youtu.be/pLscMRafsLISPARKING ZERO NEW DLC TEASERhttps://youtu.be/SZhl5-ag0tAGEKISHIN SQUADRA BARDOCKhttps://youtu.be/vgqyxN0Kce4KAKAROT DAIMA PT.2 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/ZY6OAh_7KYwXV2 FUTURE SAGA CH.3 LAUNCH TRAILERhttp://youtu.be/FtxSegpS7TIFIGHTERZ SS4 DAIMA GOKUhttp://youtu.be/fVtdkNqbiKE?t=96>Useful links:https://rentry.org/dft79XV2 news:>Future Saga 4 DLC on the way, release date TBASDBH News/Resources:>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24>SDBH Database: https://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/>Deck Autism: https://rentry.org/sdbhdecklistDBSDV news:>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefileIf you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.Kakarot:>Daima DLC Part 2 will release on January 15thDB The Breakers:>Season 9 launched with DBZ Broly Raider>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry herehttp://xenoverse.booru.org/Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)Thank youLAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>558466370
>>559468089>Its odd that a evil version of the main character of the series' defining moment is beating up a little girl that he doesnt even make sense to be stronger thanIt also makes no sense for Pan to have taken that long to get super saiyan to begin with. Even if she's not as talented as Goten and Trunks, Goku was training her since she was a toddler. But Salagir likes to downplay Goku so that's not too surprising. That evil Vegeta universe is also both stronger and weaker than it should be. Vegeta is way too powerful, it makes no sense he achieved SS2 on his own, and he seems to be around the same level as main Vegeta. Meanwhile, Schizoku is treated as an untalented brute and got SS1, but he's otherwise so weak that he'll never be a threat to Vegeta... And despite that he's still stronger than Pan lmao.
Damn, didn't realize the last thread was ending already. Anyways, XV3 awoken skills speculation/predictions:Saiyans>Great Ape: Oozaru, Super Oozaru, GT SS4, SFPS4 (Daima SS4 would be added to the regular Super Saiyan line)>Future Super Saiyan: SS1, SS2, SSRage (The latter would not only increase the stamina regen, but also the bar itself too)>SSG, SSB, SSBKaioken/Evolution (Final form changes depending on either pressing up or down)Humans>Max Power (Increased ki output but lowered speed)>Four Witches (Increased strike output but lowered stamina)>Mood Sneeze (Ki blasts and supers are replaced by guns, grenades, rocket launchers, and other firearms)Namekians>Namekian Fusion (Fuse with either Piccolo, Nail, Slug, Dende, Kami or other namekians for specific stat buffs and skills)>Godly Namekian: Red Eyes, Blue Eyes (Similar to Super Saiyan in terms of stat buffs, but with added health regen)>Powered Namekian: Awakened, Orange, Giant Orange (Similar to Super Vegeta in terms of stats buffs, though with higher emphasis on stamina)Fridges>Supressed: 1st Form, 2nd Form, 3rd Form, 4th Form, 5th Form (Each form is fully customizable in terms of appearance and height)>Colored: "Golden" Form, "Black" Form (Despite the names, you can customize the coloration of these forms too)>100% Full Power (Increases all stats by 100%, but both ki and stamina are constantly draining)Majins>Pure Majin (Unlike previous games, CACs get to keep their clothes on)>Super/Fit Majin (Males get skinny while females get tall; Super Saiyan-like stat buff)>Absorption (Absorb whoever's currently your mentor to gain their supers as well as a huge stat buff)All Races>Kaioken: KK, x3, x5, x10, x20, x100 (The last form, while powerful, will drain your health)>Unlocked Potential: Unleashed, Beast (Just putting these forms together)>Ultra Instinct: Omen, UI, Giant UI>Ultra Ego>Metamoran/Patora Fusion (Like Absorption)
>>559469660I dont even see vegeta so much as achieving ss1 on his own. The way he achieved it in canon is so specific I cant see him ever doing it on his own. He arguably had a moment in namek saga where he could've gotten angry enough but instead he just got sad and cried. Vegeta needs to have his pride thoroughly annihilated beyond repair but he also needs to survive.
>>559469660They fucking hate DB being about "martial arts". They want characters to "act smart" and avoid fights. They want magic to shit on martial arts and RUTHLESSNESS to be what matters. They want characters to be limited to certain immovable power walls (unless it's one of their writer's pets) and they want the Dragon Ball main characters, especially Goku, to take a huge backseat for their OCs.By the way, this Vegeta vs Vegeta chapter? It was all about showing the shitty timestop from the shitty OC. Yes, the one that literally screams Za Warudo. That's why "Vegeta vs Vegeta" is actually about "Vegeta jobs pathetically and gets saved by Bra".
Fucking lol.
>>559471869Rinse your mouth with some canon Vegito instead
>>559471951I know it makes sense with the english names due to the removal of the -otto with kakarot but I just cannot deal with rotten vegetable man, that's such an ass name
You know, why IS prime timeline vegeta using super saiyan 3? Shouldn't it be completely obsoleted by that new form that he used to fight Goku with? I guess it could just be sandbagging because he doesn't think king vegeta is worth wasting that on but ss3 is an ass form to sandbag with in multiverse due to its heavy power drain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh2CZp6ZDmkVegito is an awesome embodiment of power, confidence, and feeling of invincibility. Imagine seeing this beautiful, beautiful man and thinking "we need to deconstruct him"
>>559472286He needs 1 minute to enter the new form so it's effectively useless in most situations, and even if he enters it he's still weaker than Gohan powerwise. And it's probably not even that close, like it would be a tough fight for Vegeta or Goku to win.
>>559472442>give goku and vegeta a new form>make it almost entirely unusable in basically every practical situationVery cool and fun
>>559471869in what world does this french retard think that either post-buu goku, vegeta, or any of their combinations is jealous enough to put everyone around them down and scared of being overtaken?
>>559470867I want Legendary Super Saiyan as a line.
>>559470867missing selflessness state that krillen uses for humans.and majin super saiyan that duu used for majins
>>559473041>>559473371Oh yeah, those forms would be neat additions too
>>559474880I'm also pretty fine if we don't get the big form, as long as we get the green hair. I'd just like to use it for roleplay.
>>559475012I could see a Legendary line go like this (Rage, SS, Legendary, SS2), with SS2 keeping the green hair of Legendary.
Shueisha are tampering with the Dragon Ball manga's sales (again).Shueisha are really desperate at keeping up with the narrative of One Piece being the best-selling manga of all time, because if Shueisha actually revealed how much Dragon Ball really sold (DB sold more, probably over 500 million by now), it would destroy that narrative.How much did DB sell?>438 million (lowball)Divide that by 42 volumes and DB has sold 10.42 million per volume.How much did OP sell?>600 millionDivide that by 114 and OP sold 5.26 million per volume.Going by per volume sales, Dragon Ball is the best selling manga of all ti--and would you look at that. Shueisha are lowbaling Dragon Ball. AGAIN! Now 300M (when it already passed that since 2008!). Why does Shueisha hate the manga that made them very successful so much? Most importantly, why are Japanese businesses so frustrating? Japs are some of the most insincere people. Bunch of snakes.
>League faggots already infecting gekishin squadra
>>559478965>Why does Shueisha hate the manga that made them very successful so much?For the same reason why the manga/anime dispute lasted so long, Shueisha wanted full control of Dragon Ball and Toriyama never let them have it. Capsule Corp Tokyo was Toriyama's last big middle finger to Shueisha before he passed on. Also, Shueisha's clinging so closely to One Piece because it's the only ongoing series they have that's still in the public conciousness. A lot of their more recent IPs keep ending too quickly to gain any staying power, so once One Piece eventually ends, Sheuisha is FUCKED.
>>559479803>so once One Piece eventually ends, Sheuisha is FUCKED.So like when DB and (I think) Slam Dunk ended?
>>559481458Yeah, pretty much. From what I remember, Shueisha almost went under for a few years because there weren't any big hits between the end of DB and the start of OP. Sure there was Kochikame, but only nostalgic adults read that.
>>559478965>Why does Shueisha hate the manga that made them very successful so much?Because it looks bad to investors when you can't outdo your 'long finished' big success from 40 years ago even with your current never-ending flagship.Also most of the guys in charge at Shueisha basically made their career at the company around One Piece.
>>559478965>Going by per volume sales, Dragon Ball is the best selling manga of all ti-From what I know DB is recognized as the best selling manga per volume. Don't know if Shueisha is part of those that recognize it tho.
>>559478965It's funny how Sony magically increases the PS2 units sold when they stopped producing it almost 15 years ago to hold the #1 reputation meanwhile you have Shueisha here with the Dragon Ball manga magically decreasing from 350M in 2008 to 260M today.
>>559478965>>559479803Fagchyroll should go under first.
>>559470867I hope we get a G.O.D. candidate form like Toppo for all races, ultra ego is basically that for Vegeta but UE has its own gimmick that could set it apart
>>559478965https://x.com/i/status/2029715836789727597https://x.com/i/status/2029715836789727597https://x.com/i/status/2029715836789727597IMPORTANT THREAD ABOUT THE DRAGON BALL SALES CONTROVERSY
>>559488964That would mean Sony has to go down, im all for it. Avi Arad is a fat greasy hack that needs to be retired already.
>>559495496WTF? That's crazy.
>>559495496And I get exactly $0 out of this.Why is this a drama in the first place, they're bored on Twitter again I assume?
>>559481918>RRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPP
>>559472017The actual english translation of his name would be Vegetot but that sounds off as well.
>>559472017>>559503263for me it's Vegeth
>>559503263>VegetotNo, that's what Vegeta was turned into in Daima
>>559503263VegeToT
>>559503358Ahem
>>559503358Where does the H come from?
>>559425052Toriyama said SS2 and SS3 are actually no separate forms of SS but just powered up versions so if SS3 has a great ape connection so must have basic SS they are the same form after all, just at different power levels
>>559509224okay now do it using the actual source material and not random interviews
>>559507406Kaketa would've been very funny>>559507567idk, i don't even remember if i read it in a manga translation or some game that had it, i just think it sounds cool
>>559510165No thanks Toriyama is good enough of a source for me
>>559509224>no separate formsWell yeah, that's why they're called Super Saiyan, just numbered.
Our HERO.The Strongest.
>>559516171>2000imagine your dweeby dragonball fanart circulating 26 years after you made it
>>559519136When something is badass, it just is badass. Forever.
>Gine>Kale>Celipa>Caulifla>EschalotI suppose the trend for saiyan female names is leafy greens, whereas males are names after heartier root vegetables?
>>559524545Eschallot/Shallot is probably a gender neutral name then, like Jesse
>>559524545There are a few Saiyan males with more "leafy" names though, like Cabba, Nappa.
>>559531491AshleyTracy
We lived to see the day a DB character is used for real life war./dbs/ went too far.
>>559540047At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if /dbs/ was an epstein-related psyop the entire time.
>>559540047>It took until WW3 to announce XV3Who'd have thought that'd be the key.
>>559535802You can say that but I just don't think the pattern holds. Cauliflower isn't any more a "leafy" vegetable than broccoli, nor negi compared to leeks.
>>559540872It makes sense, now they can delay it explicitly for as long as they want "because of the war"
>>559540604Not the entire time, just since the Future Trunks arc. You can tell the mood shifted from the normal /a/utism toward the downward spiral around then.
>>559540047yo, the man in the whitehouse does not speak for my country or my DB fandom
>>559540047>BeerusFraud fan. That is DYSPO eye.
>>559548408
>>559548605Yeah yeah, it was a joke, h-hahaha...!*runs*
>>559470867>fridgesMay be a bit of a hottake, but I hope they have categorized forms, imp form, whatever you want the second form to be called, beserker, etc. But that's because I want them to have transformation animations, and not an impact frame and a cut to the new form, and none of that purple shell shit Budokai did, and I think categorizing them like that would be a pretty easy way to do so.
>>559470867Humans should have a Superhero form.
>>559553619The alien form does have an official name mind you, "assault form"
It has gotten to the point where you think that writing this bad has to be intentional. It is well known that PEDOlagir doesn't take criticism towards his waifu really well and his pedo artist Asura made it clear that Bra is his favorite character so she takes the stage and looks awesome above all else.
>>559556343At the very least they did admit that pan is stronger than schizoku. I think that's the one and only win she's got this whole webcomic so i'm gonna take it ngl
>>559556343Bro I don't care, if it's something AMAZINGLY bad okay show it here so we can all laugh at Salagir's frog ass but posting every fucking page of this shitty fanfic is just spamming
Which of these fighting styles are you going to be using for your CAC in Age 1000? Choose wisely.Humanlike (人間らしくて):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHS1x6hcKEwButt Battler (ケツバトラー):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TW_jahWLWwLegendary Super Penis (伝説の超オチーンチン):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEBsU105gAgIt's a Senzu Bean. Eat it. (せんずだ くえ):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tow_0m8IY810 Yen (10円)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7iJg2mwjo4
>>559556343Hmm... It seems like Asura's art style has shifted overtime. It doesn't really reseble Dragon Ball much these days but rather has a more western-style, or something like Sonic Adventure IMO
So remember that conversation we had about furries and degenerates in general going after Moro? Regardless of form?
I'm thinking of making a collage of all the super saiyan hairstyles Breakers gave CACs but I need some "motivation" if you understand what I mean
>>559560445NTA but I don't disagree here. I sometimes post bad pages and I didn't plan on posting this one since it's really just the logical end of what happened earlier (which was awful and funny enough to warrant posting)I'll still react to >>559556343 to note that Bra has also been granted Galactic Donuts. This is fucking tiresome.
>>559559695>At the very least they did admit that pan is stronger than schizokuNo they didn't. Schizoku would destroy her, probably without even SS2. Pan was stated to be stronger than Nappa.>>559563165Yeah clearly. I'm not going to criticize this too much because while different it's still evocative of Dragon Ball on some level and has some craftsmanship. He's no mangaka obviously but I'd say he's still a skilled fanartist.
>>559569005>Pan was stated to be stronger than Nappa.Guess I misread the scene wrong. My one and only agenda for multiverse pan died as soon as it came. Also yeah this very much so isn't super dragonball-y but I think it's fine. Kind of like how I acknowledge Kakumei feels much more baki than it does dragonball at a lot of times in its anatomy
>>559569154Kakumei is absolutely going for a Baki or even comic book artstyle but it fits what it's going for so there's no criticizing it. Skill and vision can take you places.
>>559569242Yeah. I don't think fancomic artists NEED to be beholden to dragonball's art style as long as they can get the general "feel" of dragonball down. Which is the more pertient issue people argue about for multiverse and kakumei. I hope Asura at least gets paid for this stuff, lmao.
>>559569393>I don't think fancomic artists NEED to be beholden to dragonball's art styleTo some extent at least kekI'd say the more you diverge from the og artstyle the more skill you need to sell itThe capeshit chapters were pretty good because the guy drawing them was solid
>>559569925Well to be fair the Bojack chapter's issues is less them diverging from dragonball per se and more that they're just very poorly drawn in general.
Since they were obviously toying with it with the Broly and Cheelai update, do you think XV3 will have player romance? I doubt it but the fact they were baiting it makes me think they probably intend for SOMETHING.
>>559571180That'd be fun but they're never have the balls.>>559569242They were going for wannabe Murata, it doesn't even look close to how Baki looks at all.
>>559560445>is just spammingIt's not spamming at all by any definition of the word.
>>559572762I'm sure they'll at least hint more heavily with content like this now that Toriyama's gone.
>>559571180>no videl
>>559573854
>>559573983I prefer smol tits videl
>>559574060
>>559574182Perfect
>>559573529Toriyama would probably be the first guy to push for swimsuit skins tho.It's just how japanese games pussyfoot around dating or romance in games for some reason and they're likely to double down on it without the Toriyama influence.
>>559575365I hope so. No reason not to when they can literally pull people from doomed timelines and keep them around to help out.Need me an 18 wife with the RR symbol replaced with the Time Patrol Symbol
>>559563165Asura's Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta straight up looks like Darkspine Sonic.
>>559575515>Mighty Mask v 18 rematch
>>559559695>At the very least they did admit that pan is stronger than schizokuLiterally when? Pan has done nothing else but stand around as a spectator after she gave up against him.
>>559575723Or any XV protag.
>>559575515>I hope so.I meant double down on no real romance / what they're doing right now.It's so annoying we never got more swimsuits.
>>559575723Zangya would beat Mighty Mask btw.
>>559575515>>559575902Dating alternate version of the characters is too capeshit (and even Marvel said no to having a CaC romance characters in Midnight Suns) but they should really just expend the Time Patrol cast so you have an actual supporting cast for your patroler and then you can romance some of them.
>>559575902Eh. I still think it could happen, especially since Toriyama didn't really seem the type. Not outright romance of course but more of that hinting and implication stuff.
>>559556343>jobs to an evil version of yourself that doesn't train>need to be rescued by Bra who one shots everyonePeak humiliation ritual
>>559575874are you saying cacs are gonna rape 18?
>>559570013>>559569925Man, I remember the first Bojack special being memed a lot as it was coming out. Fun times.>>559571180Problem is that there isn't a lot of options for female characters.
>>559577617He's desperate for relevance. Salagir thinks shock value and subverting expectations by blueballing the audience will keep his fanfic alive.>>559577932The Bojack rape face was pretty funny.
>>559577830No. I'm saying 18 welcomes it.
>>559575874the joke I was making is that Mighty Mask is just Goten and Trunks fighting together as one, just like Gotenks is. and Galactic Doughnuts is Gotenks move. so, in this rematch, Mighty Mask would be Gotenks in a costume
>>559577617Did they ever explain how evil vegeta got super saiyan 3? It should be impossible right he would never have that kind of discipline without goku and vegeta has NEVER been good at properly evolving super saiyan on his own. Im not even sure how he could get super saiyan 2. There should be basically nothing in canon that would push him that hard unless he just somehow found perfect cell and just wanted 2 hard enough
>>559578208He unlocked it during a tournament fight against Raichi and called himself "Hyper Vegeta" while doing the pointing pose but still jobbed because SS3 ran out.
>>559575902>It's so annoying we never got more swimsuits.I mean, who else would even get them? Kale, Caulifa, and Kefla seem like easy choices. A21 would another. I doubt they'll ever do one for Ribrianne or Chronoa.
>>559578208>Did they ever explain how evil vegeta got super saiyan 3?Vegeta wank. Though of course, even that has it limits. Like >>559578269
>>559578269God Its been way too long im just straight up not remembering so many plot points. Still kind of odd that he is just handed a form like that and makes prime vegeta looks extra stupid for not getting it despite active training for 7 years. Why didnt vegeta just pull out super saiyan 3 against kid buu? Is he stupid?
>>559578072I know. It just wasn't very funny so I made a comment that the XV 1 and 2 protags could do the technique so you felt validated with attention.
>>559578487The funny part is that he had Vegeta job to Broly 2 (it happens right before the Buu saga) and had Gohan go SS2 and save him.The reasoning: "we don't know if Vegeta had SS2 before the Majin boost, which lasts a lifetime btw, so we avoided stating that he had it or not - he jobbed in SS1 and Gohan took over but he might have had SS2. There, canon preserved"
>>559578573funnier than your joke
>>559578604>prime vegeta cant so much as get 2 after actively training to catch up to gohan for the better part of a decade>king vegeta gets 3 after not even knowing it existed until yesterday Is being a good person the most cucked thing in existence in this AU
>>559578760Well, given that the greatest lifeform in the entire multiverse ends up being Buu... yeah. God I hate it.
>>559578710I know. It wasn't a joke.Not trying to insult you either. Just wanted to validate you.
>>559578208tangential but this is why i in general hate fanfics who try to match power levels not understanding it took years, if not decades of dedicated training and learning the correct path to achieve the levels of power Goku and the gokrew have already blown pastIts already suspect to invent new villains who were somehow not relevant until now who manage to find a way to equal it but to just go>these alternate universe saiyans are all just ss2/ss3 PL by default despite going through none of the challenges our heroes had to overcomeis retarded
>>559578868autism detected, disengaging
>>559579079we're talking about a series where 7 year old Goten is stronger than Goku during his fight with Frieza. characters are as strong as they need to be for whatever arc they're introduced, how long they've trained is irrelevant.
>>559579451That's also true but that fanfiction is taking those powerlevels very seriously. Goten being super strong is both for the sake of a joke and to facilitate some interesting plot developments. Evilgeta being so strong only allowed for this fight to happen and it fucking sucked
>>559579079Except the manga was littered with people who were naturally more talented and more powerful than Goku and co.
>>559579451Nta but I think its a bit weirder in the case of multiverse because the premise is that this is supposed to be an alternate version of an already established character as opposed to a different one, king vegeta being just as strong as canon vegeta requires way more explanation to me than someone like caulifla being strong
>>559579451Goten and young trunks are basically gag characters for what they accomplish and even still they're the direct children of main characters who have still trained. Fan shit tends to take powerlevels far more seriously with even less justification.
>>559579692>still they're the direct children of main characters who have still trainedHonestly this shouldn't have mattered. Since when does training get passed down genetically?
>>559579604Not after cell, by that point they're the strongest in the universe except for buu.
>>559579692Gohan is 11 when he beats Cell, and explicitly the strongest character in the series by that point.
>>559579838Dabura was Perfect Cell level with no known training. Gohan also had way more potential than his father and outstripped Goku's progress up until the Saiyan arc in a little over a year of training.He also completely surpasses his dad by age, what, 9 or 10?
>>559579604>>559580037You're perfectly right that power doesn't require training, but in Dragon Ball power usually follows function (narrative/story). In DBM power hinders it. Goku and Vegeta inexplicably cap below Mystic Gohan which severely limits their ability to do anything or show any new skill. Magic overpowers everything. And so on
>>559580207Babidi is capable of using magic to control people far stronger than him physically
>>559580472Vegeta couldn't be controlled.Yes, magic exists and yes, magic allows you to get higher results (like Buu managing to absorb Gohan despite being weaker) but ultimately, what truly matters at the end of the day is honest power (Vegeto doesn't care about being turned into candy)
>>559580560I meant Dabura.
>>559580714This is like my Gohan/Vegeto example. Dabura is weaker than Vegeta, physically and arguably mentally, so he gets controlled, but Vegeta shows that at the end of the day petty tricks only get you so far.
>>559580935but he is much much stronger than Babidi.
>>559581120Like I said, you might beat one guy (stronger than you) with tricks but you wont beat the top dogs (way stronger than you) with magic, there's a limit and the strongest guy will never be just magicman
>>559580207>Goku and Vegeta inexplicably cap below Mystic GohanGohan being an unreachable goalpost before Beerus. Once again Toei ripped off Multiverse! /s
>>559581212it allows Babidi to punch well above his weight class. there's nothing that says Babidi is representative the pinnacle of magic potential either. in fact, isn't Bibidi supposed to have had even more powerful magic? if they're of roughly equal strength/ki, the magic user will win every time because magic is that strong in comparison. you can just assume the magic users in DBM are stronger than Babidi and Bibidi.
>is unironically one of the strongest characters in DBM, Gohan's last words confirms this too
>>559581485My point is that it can make you more effective for your weight class but it'll never be the best you can achieve. There will always be higher weight classes that it can't get to with shortcuts.
>>559581493>Gohan's last words confirms this tooWhen? Before Bra cut him in half?
>>559581493>AAAAH.... I should have studied more magic....
>>559580207I can agree DBM is hindered by limiting characters.
>>559579451>>559579604Except we're talking about Vegeta and U7 saiyans, who were explicitly gimped by being evil thugs.
>>559579451Goten is basically the result of eugenics due to Goku basically molding his body from crap to godly down to his molecules.Evil Vegeta is just the same Vegeta from the Saiyan Saga who capped out at Kiwi's level because his path in life was a dead end.
>>559579775>Since when does training get passed down genetically?Since you have a form that change your body on a molecular level.Also since forever, every study on the subject confirms it. Test subject animals that were made to exercise their entire lives had offsprings more fit for those exercise to a notable degree.
>>559578317Roshi is so lucky.
>>559581837>When? Before Bra cut him in half?A little after.
>>559580037>Dabura was Perfect Cell level with no known training.Dabura was from the demon realm, not U7.>>559580472Babidi could generate barriers stronger than the attacks of characters stronger than Dabura. His power in general was above Dabura's, just with a weakness of being physically more vulnerable.
>>559575874She is one of the few original characters Toriyama has made. She is eventually getting into the canon sooner or later, just like Broly.
>>55958267021 might but "Vomi" is already canon. She was shown in the Super Hero movie.
>>559582670>She is eventually getting into the canon sooner or later, just like Broly.She was in Super Hero
>>559582714>>559582725My bad, I meant, as a central character of an arc. Hopefully a season, otherwise an OVA.
>>559540047i actually joked about dressing up as lord beerus and confronting Trump, but I don't know how to pull the stunt. secondly i'm not a furry. last but not least, i swear those millennial or zoomers interns are going to get themselves fired if they keep up this charade. or was it facade? leave games and anime out of politics. i'm getting fed up with the whole nonsense.
>>559582773I doubt it'd be from Toriyama himself or something he had left before dying since he rarely goes back for characters like that but I could see whoever is in charge going forward doing it.
>>559582338it was meant to be a dig at Bra, like "oh no... I thought you were so strong and empowered but actually you just lost to Babidi..." and of course that's implicitly taken back because Bra ends up freeing herself from Babidi's control.
The real issue that DBM has is the giga fag mod "ZenBuu" who constantly power trips and picks fights.
>>559583058It's fair to say he fuels a lot of the hateboner for this. Salagir is a smug prick sometimes especially when discussing DBS/DBGT (that's incredibly unprofessional to shit on them, especially when they remain vastly superior to whatever he's writing despite their obvious flaws) but I still don't want to make fans sad that their creation isn't up to par. But when I look at how hard this guy censors the comment section I almost want to create an account and shit on this trash (but I'd just get deleted so what's the point)
>>559579587>that fanfiction is taking those powerlevels very seriouslyIt mattered at that point to the Western fandom in the early '00s, but DBM is still infected by that symptom. Multiverse is stuck in the past.
>>559583356He was also the reason ShadyDoorags left. I liked that guy.
>>559583367There used to be a time where us young children thought powerscaling was good writing and it didn't stop at Dragon Ball. How retarded we were.>>559583414Qrd?
>>559583356The comment section is a sad place. DBM has probably 20% of the fans it used to have, at the very most.
>>559583439Zen Buu being a gigantic piece of shit as usual and Shady got fed up with how Salagir and his mod team, particularly Zen Buu, were constantly getting harrassing commenters.
>>559583058AKA he's like all jannies.
>>559583439>>559583904Also he was pissed at Salagir for being salty as fuck all the time whenever he got criticism and taking it out on the fans.
>>559502298she may be too powerful
>>559583953No this is actually on a whole other level. Much more than you can imagine.>>559584001Just found the last reply that made the guy jump off. That's Salagir defending a lot of things including Kakaditz jobbing to Evilgeta and Elder Kaioshin being able to undo a Potara fusion, and claiming "it makes sense because he actually liked being fused with that witch"
>>559571180They need to add ways to date other players.
>>559584236Ah, yeah that.
The comment section is wild https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1137.htmlSomehow he wrote Kakarotto like this but doesn't understand he did
>>559584236>and claiming "it makes sense because he actually liked being fused with that witch"That's beyond retarded.
>>559584236>DBM doesn't need to have a pointThat's like saying 'the words I'm saying don't need to have a meaning'. If it didn't need to have a point, it could just be thousands of meaning early-AI abstract painting bullshit and wouldn't have dialogues.
>>559584236>>559585327Also 'for free'? The website has ads AND donations.>>559584739>People talking about GineThey REALLY forget that Vegeta was ESPECIALLY evil for a saiyan, even Nappa clearly didn't expect Vegeta to just kill him off for losing a fight. Saiyans don't cry over a dude dying during a battle but they hardly just slaughter and brutalize each others for no reason like Vegeta would do.Fucking Bardock had a good reputation (In a 'I owe you one' way at least) for going out of his way to save other saiyans who were in trouble during missions.
>>559584739>It's a shonen manga. I mean we might as well ask why isn't DB/DBZ more violent like Fist of The North Star?Who's gonna tell them Hokuto No Ken was a shonen manga and one of DB's big competitors?
This is the best comment section kekhttps://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-2341.htmlThey're slandering Kaio over there. They're telling Kaio wouldn't allow Goku to tell Gohan he should go to Namek or even let Goku call the Namekians directly. They're saying Kaio is an asshole
>>559585784>They're telling Kaio wouldn't allow Goku to tell Gohan he should go to NamekI don't think that would do much since they can't exactly easily build a ship and 18 and 17 would probably shut it down.>or even let Goku call the Namekians directly.THAT would work.
>>559585871It gets worse, in DBM Goku teleported on Earth to help shoot a Super Saiyan 3 Kamehameha at Broly, for a moment. He could've done the same to kill the Androids.
>>559585784What's up with DBM (and fanwork in general) treating Enma as some 'be all, end all' authority? Dude is Kaio's fucking intern.
>>559585784>KaioWho? You mean King Kai?
>>559586249Anon, who did you think the Kaio in Kaioken was? The move's name is basically' Kaio's Fist'.
>>559585784The same Kaio who actively helped to save Namekians wouldn't let Goku talk with them? Same Kaio who let Piccolo communicate with Gohan his plan to be brought back to life to fight Freeza?
>>559585784I like this one commenter just ripping Salagir's reasoning to shreds. Kururun.
>>559585784>Guys, you have to understand what i'm working with, here.No, I don't. If you had a brain you'd just handwave it or not address it on screen like Toriyama did because he had a brain and you don't.>>559586369Same Kaio who went bluetooth for the entire universe in the Buu Saga.
>>559586369You don't get it man if we destroy everyone's character then the writing makes sense okay
>Future Trunks is a retard still using the dogshit Grade 3 form>Future Gohan has to handle Dabura in the most poorly written chapter in the entire story>Baba fucks over Gohan and Roshi for no reasonSalagir really does not like the Future timeline, it's like he goes out of his way to mismanage it.
>>559585784>da rulesKaio just stopped paying attention to Earth's affairs after Freeza was defeated.
>>559586407>Salagir never replied
>>559585784By the way, I think the worst part about this is that they tried to paint a pretty good and underrated character (Kaio-sama, one of Goku's best teachers) as a piece of shit just to justify a shitty unnecessary exposition dump about DA RULEZSince when are DA RULEZ more important than your characters?
I'm not hating or anything but where did all this DBM discussion come from? Is it an advertisement campaign or something like that? I really don't have a problem with that if it is, I'm just curious. I just haven't seen people talk about it this much in over a decade.
>>559586519I feel like the Western fanbase completely fail to understand that 'DB celestial rules' aren't some big super important deal that MUST be respect as if they were commandements from God in Heaven but are more like the annoying rules at your local DMVs that everyone gets around whenever possible.
>>559586545worse, he avoided it lol
>>559586614I was bored and I saw discussion on the page another anon posted and things escalated. I don't think it'll stick around for too long anyway, DBM is probably going back to boring territory and there are more interesting subjects.
>>559586614We're bored and the thread is mega slow lately so we're shitting on DBM to pass the time. It's been like that ever since the 'final' where Goku got humiliated.>>559586609>Since when are DA RULEZ more important than your characters?Since we let french redditors make fanmangas.
>>559585784>>559586369>They're telling Kaio wouldn't allow Goku to do the same thing Piccolo did back in Namek>>559586407Some of those same points were made here in these threads kek.
>>559587180Piccolo had such a good idea until he asked for a second wish.
>>559587226Piccolo might as well have done the thumb pointing with how baseless his overconfidence is. His power increase is so vague that he's probably not even as strong as Ginyu. Nail being around and willing to fuse (Which comes out of nowhere) was just luck.
>>559587539He didn't even have a chance for a power increase. Piccolo had less than a week on King Kai's planet.
>>559587892Maybe running increases your PL too
>>559556343I think this could be salvaged if the chapter ends with Bra apologizing to Vegeta about their earlier confrontation after seeing him put Pan's safety above all else. Of course that won't happen and she will probably shit on him for losing
bump
How can Ultra Instinct be Ultra Instinct if Frieza can come and hit it and it doesn't dodge LOL
We're back?
>>559598849I still can't believe there was no real plan and Black Frieza only exists because Toyotaro thought it'd look cool. >>559586741Thank god they don't let Tigyr fanboys work on Dragon Ball. That's the kind of vibe I am getting from Salagir's profile pic and it's disturbing tf out of me. >>559584047Very nice.
>>559601153>Thank god they don't let Tigyr fanboys work on Dragon BallThe fuck is that?
>>559601271Trust me when I say you don't want to know.
DBM and most critics of DB in general are basically this
if age 1000 is really XV3 at least we got an implicit confirmation they finally discovered the technology to make hair change when transforming
Funny Broly meme: https://x.com/i/status/2030227193314554189It's such a shame the western fanbase is stuck with unfunny 'princess Trunks' memes and nothing else.
>>559601573kek
unfunny memes, japan
>>559602263This but unironically, Japan just does it better.>>559601553If Age 1000 is really XV3, I hope the trailer guy is an NPC instead of our CaC, it'd be a shame to 'waste' a Toriyama design like that.
>>559598849That's not UI, it's nuSign which is more offensive oriented and UI doesn't guarantee invulnerability anyway, if Freeza is a trillion times stronger no reaction time can save Goku from being punched, dumbass
>>559601396I trust you but also I'm bored so I wanna know.
>>559602540Every version of UI in the manga is shit anyway. 0 good fights so far.
Love how both Dragon Ball and EVA got leaked this year lol
>>559602628They are a Twitch front page streamer, or at least they were before getting banned. Also has a VTuber model that is the epitome of a Dragon Ball Diaper fan, down to the name being accurate to the model.
I've always been partial to the idea that the easiest way to get rid of otherworld in the future timeline is just having janemba happen there and he fucks over everything. Given that ogre knocking over the evil goo vats can theoretically just happen at any time. It's objectively not a very good explanation because it's a very arbitrary event that just so happens to not happen in the main timeline but hey it's SOMETHING that has some internal consistency
giving Android 18 and Zangya my goo at the same time.
>>559603129>that just so happens to not happenYou can say the extra human deaths is what butterfly effect into the Oni dude falling into the vat or not.
>>559603740You don't have enough goo for that.
>>559598849We're living in an upside down timeline. Frieza used to be a laughingstock the second his saga ended. Trunks fodderized him at his strongest upgraded form, Gohan casually did it in base, Goku did it as a kid in base and that was together with Cell too.Now somehow he's back to being the top dog and nobody knows what to do with him anymore.
>>559603992While true, it just doesn't feel like a satisfying butterfly effect because it's not something that they had to consciously put effort in to stop, it just kind of doesn't happen for reasons outside of the control of anyone, oh well
This fucking panel keeps blindsiding every time it's used as a meme somewhere.
>>559604069That's how 10 more years of developed senility does to one's franchise
>>559604069He's still a laughing stock. Imagine holding a grudge over some shit that happened 25+ years ago. Like you have beef with a Gohan of all people. This guy is a fucking nerd that pays his taxes, goes to work and takes his daughter out for ice cream. This guy moved on from all this shit years ago but you come back to beat him up while imagining he is still six years old. That pretty much describes Frieza's entire existence in the current story. He is on his fourth life and he still can't get a grip.
>>559604428of course the Sonic autists love it
>>559605018I mean to be fair Goku did kind of kill him, twice. As well as destroying and forcing him to rebuild his empire. It's not that unreasonable of a crashout
I think this technically counts, they love to reference hot memes.
>>559605459I never really got sonic fans insofar as I don't understand how a franchise this consistently mediocre has a fanbase this loyal
>>559605096>As well as destroying and forcing him to rebuild his empire.To be fair, the empire collapsed on its own.
>>559606620IT one inch punch is pretty cool. Is Xeno Goku the first non-DBO heroes character they've added?
>>559605910They're the most autistic vidya fandom. This is not an exaggeration, they're the face of it. Undertale/Deltarune, Five Nights at Freddy, Kingdom Hearts, Danganronpa, Pokemon, etc. just can't compare.
>>559606620Okay, that was cool.
>>559607039yes but like *why* is it the unholy combination of dragonball fags, powerscaling fags, and furries all wrapped up in the concoction of "it was cool when I was 12"
>>559606620If Xeno Goku appears in XV3, he should have this attack.
>>559607461You got it, right on the nose. Not to mention the various interpretations that leads everyone to have their own idea of what Sonic should be.
>>559607461Sonic fans are forever insecure about having to rip off Goku's Super Saiyan, thus the powerscaling;
>>559602759Keep telling yourself that, buddy
>>559605076Oh nice SRB2
>>559604428holy kek
>>559610493I will keep telling the truth, yes
What pokemon would Goku main?
>>559616230Chimchar
>>559611010
>>559611010i'd fuck that elf
>>559621283I can't believe XV2 is finally fucking dying
>>559619697I think Goku would have a comMon as his main rather than a starter.
>>559616230Rattata and Raticate
>>559616230Pretty much any fighting type, though Lucario would definitely be up his alley.
>>559623940I think Nidoran would fit better, it has that same 'Small but strong to powerhouse' evolution line that fit Goku.
>>559624089Urshifu and Lucario would probably be on the team but not sure about main.
>>559624274Rapid Urshifu for Goku and Single Urshifu for Vegeta
>>559625470Nah, Vegeta would have a Mankey.
>>559626320>MankeyAnnihilape you mean, and you know teams have up to six members right?
>>559626518We're talking about mains.
>>559627270Then Urshifu and Lucario are out of question for Goku. We already have a fighting type pokemon based on Son Goku after all
/dbg/?
>>559628429Yeah but Chimchar is too obvious.
kinda want a gold super form, not just blonde.
>>559632602Elaborate
>>559628987>CHADfernape vs JOBsh-JOBninja
>>559632602Like the special edition gold hair figures?
>>559634443Greninja jobbing as bad as it did helped cap off proof that we ended up in the wrong timeline 10 years ago. Doubly so with how the Future Trunks arc ended the way it did.
Shouldn't have shot that gorilla. That was the beginning of it all.
>>559637170The cia did that, they hate civil rights leaders
corny white kid ruins joke
What's corny? Is that something you eat? SUPER DEE DUPER.
>>559634285I like gold.>>559634552Hell yeah. Plus it might be a good solution for combining UI and UE.
>>559641691
>>559642196>>559642396This and the translucent hair some figures have always look super cheap to me. Is there really no way to make it look it wasn't done by a kid with a can dollar store spray paint?
>Even Projekt Melody kneels to Friezait's over...
that slut kneels to everyone, so that's to be expected, actually.
My first words were "those dirty monkeys deserved it"
>>559649613>>559650515Based
>>559649613>>559650232Who
a smut vtuber
>>559468361Is there a torrent for all of these promo arts?
>>559616230Himself
>>559655120I love this old art style and it's what I think of when I think of Dragon Ball.
>>559655412It's a shame this stopped updating a long time ago.
>>559655120A ton of them (and other cool official art) were on Mintokyo, which has been down for about a month now. Strangely enough, you still access the site through direct links, but it breaks once you search anything. Minitokyo also seems to have been delisted from Google. No idea what's going on, but that site's been on death's door for almost 10 years now, so maybe it finally bit the dust.
Getting real sick of these shitty raids, I want the damn vegeta "I'm finally warmed up" or whatever one
Bros today I woke up hopeful.XV3 will be the game we've always dreamed of, tons of potential utilized, branching storylines, great graphics, spiky Super Saiyan hair, CaC with tons of accessories, voiced lines in the Story ModeIt took a long while, but we all MADE IT..!
The discussion about Great ape-SS connection made me think about Broly and isn't this basically canon false SS?>goes along with rage, just not as much as full SS>same about the power level, it's under proper SS obviously>aura changes to the same as the SS form's despite not being fully transformed yet>hair also changes to the SS hairstyle>when Broly goes SS his form looks exactly like this, just even bigger and with a different hair color>likewise full power SS Broly is the same too just EVEN bigger and with another hair colorWrathful does feel like an incomplete SS form for Broly
Is Sparking Zero the best single player Dragon Ball game out right now?>>559470867>XV3I assume you are referring to the new Age 1000 game?
>>559681319SZ is the ultimate single player DB game for what DB is most known and notorious for. There are other must play games for sure, but SZ's DB battle feeling is unmatched, it's really like diving into an actual battle from the series. I would recommend Advanced Adventure for the origins and SZ for the rest of the series to anyone who truly wants to know what DB action and spectacle feels like.
revamp pvp is pretty fun
I wonder why is that the nips so often depict Vegetto as the most Goku of the two merged warriors and Gogeta as the most Vegeta, while in the west is somehow the opposite
>>559682076>>559682408With it's whooping 30 stages and not skipping over 60% of the story, Sparking Zero totally does a good job at retelling the DB story....in the opposite world that is.
>>559683390>Vegetto name is equally split between Vegeta and Kakarot, two characters each (ベジ from ベジータ, ット from カカロット), while Gogeta's barely has one character from Goku 悟空 (ゴクウ) name and three from Vegeta's (only ゴ from ゴクウ, but ジータ from ベジータ)>Vegetto is originally depicted with rounder, more gentile eyes, like SS Goku has when relaxed before the Cell Games, meanwhile Gogeta always had the angry eyes only, something Vegeta always has)>Vegetto is less bald than Gogeta. They fixed the guy's hairline a bit in Super, but originally the guy looked exactly like Vegeta but with a bang in the middle. Right now he still has a more pronounced widowspeak than Vegetto but at least he's not balding that badly>Vegetto wears a variant of the Kame school uniform, like Goku does, feels personal, familiar. Gogeta wears a generic default attire everyone from this alien race apparently wears, like Vegeta does, feels more serious and impersonal>Vegetto "came first" in the sense he's the only canon one in the original series, Gogeta is an alternative, a what if, and when it was finally canonized it was after Vegetto had appeared not only once, but twice>even if you look at their fighting styles nowadays, Vegetto goes for melee approach more, even having a ki sword coming out of his hand and saving the big blast for a finisher, while Gogeta is more of a ki blast spammer like VegetaIt's genuinely hard to see Vegetto and Gogeta as anything but "Goku (Vegeta absorbed)" and "Vegeta (Goku absorbed)".The west sometimes think otherwise because the dub makes Vegetto sound more like Vegeta and Gogeta more like Goku and also because they completely destroyed the dialogue (as usual) and made people think Vegetto got beaten and absorbed by Boo and only survived by miracle (a classic Vegeta thing) when in most of dubs, the original version and of course the manga it's clear Vegetto is letting himself be absorbed on purpose to save his beloved ones (a more Goku-like thing).
>>559684660>replying to a post talking about the battles and spectacle to cry over how they aren't fully covering the story we have seen a hundred times retold in tv and games alreadyIlliterate or just stupid? Which one is it, kiddo?
>>559686084Also>Gogeta appears in two movies and since they are movies he has to clear up the mess, in an actual arc a cheap win-button like fusion isn't allowedPeople want to project Gogeta as more Goku for that, because how could the fusion most based on my hero not be the one with most wins?? Vegetto must be the Vegeta! But that retarded western agenda isn't a thing in japan, they tend to depict them as equally Goku-Vegeta regardless of fusion method (which is what they are) or Vegetto as the most Goku and Gogeta as the most Vegeta (which is what they feel like)
>>559686198Anon is literally asking about single player and you're the one crying "we've seen a hundred times retold"lolBut even if you have it with your 1P vs CPU way, it still sucks in this mode. Boring ass animations, dumb effects, bad sound effects, lack of music selection and lack of stages.
>>559687112I like how you tried to come up with a counter, realized right in the middle of your post it makes no fucking sense whatsoever and then added another one which is just cope.>o-oh yeah? Well I still think it sucks because... because it's bad okaay??! Boring! Dumb! A-a-and...!And nobody cares you little bitch, the only valid criticism here is the number of stages, yeah, it's a little low.
>>559684660>>559687112You're retarded and trying to sound like a sassy gay won't change that, man.
>>559681319>Is Sparking Zero the best single player Dragon Ball game out right now?Depend on what you like. Kakarot and XV2 are also pretty good.
>>559686084Ngl anon I think the main reason why people in the west think gogeta is goku and vegito is vegeta is simply their respective name comes first in their fusion and that's really it, everything else is secondary
>>559688006I considered adding that conception but it's completely retarded because Gotenks has Goten's name first but he's just an even more bratty Trunks so it doesn't make sense actually, under that logic Vegetto would still be more Goku and Gogeta would be more Vegeta.
>>559688996There's no logic to apply here, it's just a kneejerk reaction upon seeing the names. Most people don't really think about goten or trunks as individuals at all so the gotenks inconsistency doesn't bother people. It's not like Goten is even really a character in the first place.
>>559689112Fair enough.
>>559682076SZ is a way worse BT3
>>559687593>>559687610kikSparking Zero is awful as a single player game and your cope won't change that.
>>559616230Goku - Both Lucario and Infernape make sense but Lucario wins out because he is the one with 2 megas like how Goku has two final transformation depending on continuity Vegeta - Annihilape, Rage fist is basically Ultra Ego and Both are angry and shortGohan - a shiny Durant or LokixPiccolo - Zekrom or Reshiram, we don't have the Original Dragon to have a perfect match to post Kami mergeKrilin - Pawmot if you take Revival Blessing as throwing a Senzu Bean or Hydreigon if Iron Jugulus' dex is telling the trurhFuture Trunks - Gallade18 - Iron Valiant17 - MiraidonFrieza - Chien Pao, Mewtwo may look like him but one of the creatures that started existing because of too many sins being imprinted on an object and joyfully jumps around the natural disasters it causes fits the ruthless conqueror moreCell - Mewtwo but only really the one that Rainbow Rocket Giovanni has since that Mewtwo agrees with Giovanni's world viewBuu - Guzzlord, indiscriminate destruction and gluttony Beerus - Yveltal, a god of death is the closest to a god of destructionHit - he may have time powers but the time pokemon don't fit him, I would say an assassin pokemon like Greninja fits him moreZamasu - Any of the older Swords of Justice would fit, they really aren't fond of humans as well and Sword of Justice just sounds like something he would call himselfJiren - Urshifu, both forms have stuff that fit Jiren like G-Max Rapid Strike dex being "All it takes is a glare from this Pokémon to take the lives of those with evil in their hearts—or so they say."SBroly - Meganium because it can calm emotions and SBroly would want something that calms him down not something that explodes like him like an Electrode ZBroly - for some reason I just get Incineroar vibes, probably from his lines being like a heel wrestler
>>559693583Very interesting choices.>>559693221Still retarded
>>559681319>Is Sparking Zero the best single player Dragon Ball game out right now?Lol, it's not even top 5.
>>559693583>Incineroar vs... Meganium.KEKAROOOOOO nulykeks...
>>559693583>Rage fist is basically Ultra EgoIt truly is holy shit>Both are angry and shortKEK
>>559689112It's honestly shocking that Goten has existed for over two decades but to this day he is basically just a Trunks accessory despite being the MCs son
>>559601459That's why when I'm writing my Dragon Ball AU fanfic, even though I like to fix a bunch of problem I gave with the original story (like Krillin not arriving at King Kai's planet and training despite being dead for months after Freeza), I always operate on rule of cool. Not everything needs an explanation, you don't need to know why the sky is blue, some things can just he cool.Also, when I'm making characters my rule when it comes to designing them is that if I make a cool character, I will ALWAYS make a silly character to balance things out and just let the Z-Fighters roast each other in a way that says, "They save the universe. But they're all still idiots." Salagir often forgets or just outright hates the fact that DB is at its very core a gag series with some action and adventure. DBM almost resembles these edgy 90s action comics.
>>559616230Blastoise to honor the Turtle School
>>559704879>Not everything needs an explanation, you don't need to know why the sky is blue, some things can just he coolI agree.
>>559705030Fuck, that's a good one.
>>559705030It would be Turtonator then since it's a turtle and a dragon
>>559704879>Not everything needs an explanation, you don't need to know why the sky is blue, some things can just he cool.And even when something would be better with an explanation, a bad explanation is worse than no explanation.
>>559705520Too mexican, no?
Murata said Toriyama was his favorite mangaka.
>>559706116Everyone loves Toriyama and DBTimorhee Chalamet was in Japan not too long ago and he said DB was his favorite anime. Even did Kamehameha on TV
>>559707369Based
When's the battle hour again?
>>559703882It's hard to do something with a character like Goten when the main character he is a son to is still active and around. He's also fighting for relevancy against gohan too. So he's just doubly fucked
>>559704879Are you gonna do anything with the future timeline or just not acknowledge the plot holes and roll with it
Was watching some of my old clips and it made me so sad. We could have all had a better life and instead you decided to shit on the opportunity and then some. Great going retards.To those reading this that are confused as to who this post is directed to, it isn't for you.
>>559703882Honestly, this is not just a problem Dragon Ball has but this is also a problem shounen in general have that they have never been able to fix; there are just too many characters filling up the story and wasting space which is why you get someone like Goten and Trunks even though the author have no plan for them long-term, so you end up with a bunch of characters that contribute nothing except paddingPersonally, if I wrote DB, I wouldn't write Goten and just have Trunks look up to Gohan as a big brother similar to their future counterparts
>>559708765It hurts extra hard in dragonball because the usual thing of being able to kill off characters doesn't really work here
>>559708894DB never hesitated to drop characters and just pick them up again if it felt like it. It's better than the fake edginess of killing off characters.
>>559709621there's nothing fake edgy about killing off a character depending on the execution. Having a character die as a final sendoff while doing something cool is a perfectly reasonable thing to do as a writer. Even dragonball itself did just kill off a lot of the cast during saiyan saga which brought it down to a much more manabeable size during namek. During androids and cell you have all of these hanger ons that don't really contribute much of anything to anything but are still around. It's only really buu saga when a lot of them got perma dropped
>>559709940>there's nothing fake edgy about killing off a character depending on the execution.Yeah but 90% of the time, it's fake edgy. Just look at GOT. That shit is so fake edgy. People masturbate on Ned's death and the red wedding but it amounts to nothing because the Starks are jobbers and it's the Targaryans that matter.
Imagine doing the online equivalent of killing someone over a Shark Tale meme. If you were there and supported that shit, kill yourself. Actually fucking kill yourself. I'm done with Dragon Ball General for a while, the clips have already been deleted, hope the Xenoverse 2 tards that thought the situation was funny to this day are proud of themselves. It's not like we can go back to the past and change shit like in that game anyways.
>>559710512I have no clue what you're on about but I like Shark Tale
>>559708003April 19th and 20th
https://youtu.be/qSLfaMncl_w?si=H0FyIYLFLQ6SyjLcI thought Cell was gonna win desu
>>559711078Sonic powerscaling is complete horseshit, it's just everyone vaugely scaling off of sonic because he does impressive stuff and everyone keeps up for him so I guess metal sonic explodes the universe now
>>559710950Thanks for the chapter.>>559711078>DB character>Winning in that shitty youtube showYou're delusional. But yes, Cell easily one shot.
>>559711350>Thanks for the info*My bad. No idea why it autocorrected to chapter.
>Paragus and Broly became a meme in Japan because they say every syllable in the Japanese language so it’s easy for sentence mixing How the fuck does that happen?
>>559711670Probably due to the weird structure of the broly movie compared to most other dragonball movies. There aren't really any henchmen fights or anything and broly dogs on everyone so hard he can banter a lot more than most villians can
>>559711670Broly's language power is maximum, that's why. Dunno about Paragus, though.
>>559711670Stop stalking my twitter retweets.
>>559711078the people who powerscale sonic get very wacky
>>559712235VSbattlewiki is so retarded. It's so obvious they just do everything to put the jannies' favorite verses at the top and their 'dimensional tiering' concept is the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
>>559712325Didn't half of them troon out?
>>559713610What an odd thing for piccolo to say, he's never been hesitant to kill a dude before as far as i'm aware, especially given as evil as they are. I'm not even sure why it's worth reviving them with the dragon balls
>>559713610>pretendedThey can sense, Salagir you hack.
>>559712235>>559712325The whole "scales to" thing is probably the most ridiculously overblown concept these people have tried to parade around because it regularly does not match demonstrable reality. It never gets the kinds of sanity checks needed to make them actually show the claim is consistent, but it instead takes every outlier and assumes such things are the "true" power of whatever is being scaled. By the logic of these kinds of people there are rocks able to destroy ten gorillion universes because they caused a speedster to trip.
Why can't Frenchies do comedy?
>>559708409Usually, I just hold the same 'whatever may happens' approach to DB as Toriyama does and don't really plan out some grand plot in advance. I also try to avoid overcorrecting the original story, because then DB just stops being DB. It's always been a fantasy where the sci-fi elements are just backdrops to tell a story.Though, I do get irritated by this whole future timeline subplot. One of my issues is that the manga tells you that 3 years after Future Trunks killed 17 and 18, the time machine gathered enough fuel for Trunks to travel back to the past and tell everyone he killed the Androids. This was right before Cell showed up and Trunks killed him, of course. But it's still irritating how the author never followed through with it and have Trunks go back to the past to see how Gohan and the others are doing. Moreover, it's irritating how Trunks never asked Dende for direction to New Namek since Trunks was right there when Goku had that convo with Piccolo about getting a new Guardian; he saw Goku Instant Transmission to New Namek and back with Dende. When Goku got back, he could have told Trunks where it was, though Goku is also an idiot and he might not know about coordinated. So for my AU, I have Trunks travel back to the past to see how much the world has changed since Cell got defeated and then have him talk to Dende, asking him about the direction for New Namek. Then when he goes back to his timeline, Bulma builds him a spaceship and he heads for New Namek where he meets Dende's future counterparts and he explains everything that went down since Freeza. He would also ask Dende if he can come to Earth to become its Guardian so he can restore the Dragon Balls, and Dende would agree upon learning Gohan's death, feeling indebted to him.Just one idea I had among many. It's actually baffling how little Trunks did to fix his crapsack world post-Cell.
>>559714558I more meant the initial premise of the arc in of itself not holding up to scrutiny with how many ways there should be around it, but that's neat too
>>559714558>Trunks never asked Dende for direction to New Namek since Trunks was right there when Goku had that convo with Piccolo about getting a new GuardianI headcanon that he completely forgot to ask.
>>559714549French comedy is mostly sex and that doesn't fly online outside of porn.
>>559712235>>559712325>>559714534Powerlevelers will look you in the eye and tell you that scissors can't beat paper, because rock beats scissors and paper beats rock.
>>559713610wow what a convenient way to keep them alive so they can do something even dumber and inconsequential in like 3 years, just have piccolo randomly decide he's a bigger pacifist than fucking gohan all of a sudden
>>559716197Well he is; you forget, Gohan learned to be "ruthless" after all, hon hon hon
>>559714748This whole time travel plot is really just a bunch of nonsense because Toriyama watches Terminator and thought it was cool, and he wanted to write the same story. But from my understanding, DB has 4 timelines.Timeline 1 is the one where Goku dies of heart problems, ans the Androids kill everyone except Trunks.Then Trunks 1 goes back in time to Timeline 2, to warn everyone about the Androids, and helps them defeat them. 17 and 18 are activated like normal, and Trunks 1 and the gang defeat them and live happily ever after or something. The Cell Games never happen, but then we never see this timeline again. Trunks 1 takes the blueprints of the Androids he just helped defeat, goes back to his time and gives Bulma the blueprints so that she can create a kill switch to destroy the Androids in Timeline 1.Cell wakes up in Timeline 1, finds there are no Androids, and as Trunks 1 is going back in time to tell everyone he defeated the Androids in his time, Cell kills him and goes back in time, but this time he goes to Timeline 3, not 2.In Timeline 3, the main series timeline, Dr. Gero kidnaps Lapis and Lazuli, converting them into 17 and 18 but they were too powerful for him to control and he deactivates them. He then creates 19, and converts himself into an Android.In Timeline 3, Trunks also came to warn the Z-Fighters, but it wasn't Trunks 1, it was Trunks 2. An identical Trunks, with the exception being that this one came to Timeline 3 instead of Timeline 2. So Trunks 2 is the Future Trunks we all know, and Timeline 4 is Trunks 2's timeline.After the Cell arc, Trunks 2 goes back to his time, Timeline 4, kills the Androids easily, and then as he's going back in time to tell everybody, Cell from his timeline ambushes him but he easily kills Cell in his Imperfect Form.I hope this one makes sense to you.
Cellbros?
>>559716197No idea why any of them are even there to begin with.It's just the Babidi arc 2.0 but with even less powerful fighters.
>>559713610>for kaioshin's sake
>>559717152no no I understand all the wacky timelines and all that. I'm talking about the main issue of this whole premise being flawed because of the existence of king kai and the namekian dragonballs. There should have been no reason that Trunks and Gohan had to suffer 15 years of torture it should've been over in like a week tops really
>>559717460I wanted to say they would just get themselves killed again right away as they couldn't properly train without the RoSaT and Goku isn't there to tell them about it (since natural death can't be undone by the balls) but Goku should still be able to communicate with his friends and tell them about the place. In fact Piccolo should fuse with his counterpart right after being resurrected and start training with Vegeta or something, either way they really would have solved it at worst in a few years (aka a few tries of the namekian balls)
>>559718001Surely all they really need is a couple of years in the RoSAT to basically oneshot the androids, right? Like sure they didn't have the three year gap to prepare but if they really need to they can just grind it out in otherworld for a while
>>559718001>(since natural death can't be undone by the balls)Is that even said anywhere? Especially for the Namekian ones?
>>559718568Not for the Namekian balls but it's said a few times for the earth balls
>>559717460Yeah... Under scrutiny it does fall apart. Not because the premise is bad, but more because Toriyama introduced so many mechanics earlier and later that accidentally make the tragedy of Future Trunks harder to justify. But that's a side effect of Toriyama's style: he prioritizes emotion and cool concepts over airtight systems.Personally, for my AU, I don't need to do some huge rewrites in order to patch the hole and I just add one simple explanation. My cope explanation is that King Kai can't reach Earth, because the Androids killed Piccolo thus Kami dies so the connection between Earth and the afterlife weakens and King Kai lost contact with the mortals.
>>559719207But piccolo is dead during namek saga and king kai can very easily contact people then, doesn't that cope kind of fall apart? Like even Elder guru was dead too so it couldn't have been him keeping the connection
>>559718568Yes. It's stated in Chapter 321.
>>559719207As an addendum, King Kai is also talking to them all just fine right after the events of saiyan saga, where Kami and piccolo are both already dead. He also talks to Krillin to guide the spirit bomb during the Vegeta fight after Piccolo was dead
Also, even if there were some theoretical reason to make King Kai unable to contact earth, he can simply contact the Namekians on New Namek directly in order to get them to make the wish themselves
>>559719896Based
>>559719351>>559719598Honestly, as much as I liked the Android and Boo arcs, it does feel like the whole series pretty much just fell apart after Freeza. It's a bit annoying to not address something as major as this, but it wasn't really designed to survive under deep lore analysis.Perhaps a better explanation would be that King Kai didn't contact Trunks and Gohan, because Earth is not that important in the grand scheme of things; the Androids were confined to Earth, unlike the Saiyans and Freeza. Also, I assume Goku didn't keep his body for a second time when he died, which while that happened in the main timeline, it's only because his body was already there.
>>559720860>Perhaps a better explanation would be that King Kai didn't contact Trunks and Gohan, because Earth is not that important in the grand scheme of things; the Androids were confined to Earth, unlike the Saiyans and Freeza.King Kai is more than willing to simply just do a solid for his friends, and in fact does so in the canonical events of androids saga where he's extremely willing to tell goku where new namek is located once asked. King Kai also lets Goku contact gohan readily and easily during the ending sequence of cell saga so I have no reason why he wouldn't do so in a much more serious situation. Even if you assume Goku didn't keep his body for whatever reason you'd also have to assume none of the other Z fighters kept theirs either despite doing so during Namek saga
At the end of the day I still stand by my thought that just having janemba happen is a weirdly air tight way of dealing with otherworld. Is it dumb and arbitrary? Absolutely, but I haven't found any other way out as air tight as having the funny dimension man kill everyone
>>559717412That line is so weird. And of course Bra's acting like a bitch again (she's right but she's not the one who can bring up these options)
>>559721226To be fair, King Kai doesn't really interfere unless asked. He only helps when Goku contacts him but that's because he likes Goku or Kami requests help but he rarely inserts himself into situations uninvited. IIRC when Goku teleported to his planet to ask for direction to New Namek, King Kai wasn't even aware of the whole Android conflict going on down on Earth.With your second point, keeping your body after death is not standard, it's a special reward. I assume the other Z-Fighters only kept their bodies because Kami intervened. They probably didn't keep their bodies and became souls waiting for reincarnation.Hell, Krillin didn't have the luxury on keeping his body after he got killed on Namek, and he was revived with an entirely new body. King Kai even mentions that Namek didn't fall under his jurisdiction so he wasn't capable of helping when it came to resurrecting Krillin.
>>559714558>>559717152Toriyama handled time travel just fine with his slider universe explanation (the easiest) but the bad future obviously never made sense when they have Namekian balls to give them retries.
>>559719896Goku is a woman?
>>559722290Why wouldn't Kami be able to intervene a second time, though? He did so just fine for Namek saga. 's Not like Enma's acted like he has any kind of problem with anyone having bodies beforehand and we know Kami can simply rematerialize bodies if he needs to as he did so for Chiatzou. Body lore is honestly kind of weird after saiyan saga because King Kai and Goku just spontaneously appear where they died in the afterlife and old kai very clearly does this too in Buu saga. So this straight up might just be a dropped plot point
>>559714534I once saw someone say Super Sonic is "50x universal" unironically and it made me wonder if these people actually understand even half of what they're saying, or if they're like parrots trying to string together phrases in hopes of impressing their caretakers and receiving treats.
>>559722541I assume Kami didn't help for the same reason King Kai didn't help: Kami only has jurisdiction over the Earth, so he isn't allowed to interfere too much outside his turf. And since Krillin died on Namek, he would need to be restored on Namek so they had to wish him to Earth first.
>>559684660huh
>>559724314Everything we're talking about takes place on earth, though. Except for contacting the new namekians which is something he does several times and we're never shown him being not allowed to do
>>559711670It's one of the longer movies and "tries" to have something of an actual plot and story, so there's a bit more talking then other DBZ movies.
>>559711670>broly sentence mixing is a meme because he has so much to work with>morshu sentence mixing is a meme because he as absolutely fucking nothing to work withthe duality of shitposting
>>559724571Honestly, the only explanation is that Toriyama simply stopped caring about the cosmology if it inconveniences the story he wants to tell. Early DB had tighter rules because the story was smaller, but once the series became cosmic-scale, Toriyama shifted priorities and the afterlife became more like a cartoon version of heaven than a strict metaphysical system.But if I were to give a reason why Kami wouldn't intervene and help a second time with the Androids in the future timeline, we don't what went down between them and the Z-Fighters. 17 and 18 probably killed them too fast before coordination happens, so Kami never gets a chance to organize anything.
>>559726037
>>559728264>Achille12345What blast from the past.
>>559717152So if I'm understanding this rightTimeline 1 is cooked because that Trunks was killed by Cell and robbed, even through the threat of the androids and cell is over that Bulma lost her son, AND there's no warrior left on earth capable of stopping Babibi and Debura when they show up there in a few years. Timeline 2 who knows, no cell games means while Goku survives and Gohan is never pushed to SS2 nor Vegeta getting stronger either with no cell we don't know if they'll be strong enough to fight Debura and Main Buu when Babibi comesTimeline 3 is the main series to now Timeline 4, this is the Future Trunks we see killed Freiza and stays with the series up until Super where Timeline 4 is erased by Zeno and Future Trunks and Mai take refuge in Timeline 5, a future where Goku black and Zamasu never appeared.that's crazy when you think about it
>>559728024They'd have plenty of time to coordinate in the afterlife, though.
>>559731454>Babibi and DeburaThey shouldn't even show up since there's fuck all energy to get on Earth to free Buu
>>559731454>Timeline 4, this is the Future Trunks we see killed Freiza and stays with the series up until Super where Timeline 4 is erased by Zeno and Future Trunks and Mai take refuge in Timeline 5, a future where Goku black and Zamasu never appeared.You forgot Goku Black's Timeline.
Actual timeline 1 has never been explored btw And no it's not Cell's
>>559732505Timeline 1 is hypothetical at best because we don't know when the first time travel happened and what shenanigans it could have involved that would make it different from Trunks' way of time traveling or it involving places that just ignore time travel and timeline shenanigans.
>>559723314That's not fair. Parrots actually DO comprehend many of the words of they learn.
>>559722328Osu!
>>559736972https://youtu.be/Ha8tNPmtDqkFinally a chance to post this
>>559737394Krillin tapped that btw.Sorry Vegeta.
>>559711670Broly is the gift that keeps on giving.https://xcancel.com/Charlie_VT1/status/2030433066875781592
>>559711670This is literally the logic behind youtube poops, anon. Has been for well over a decade now.
>>559712235>the people who powerscale get very wackyfixed
>>559744420In general, yes. I just find sonic fans particuarly funny because it's baked in as like a core tennant of the fanbase kind of like how us dragonball fags are. We may spend hours at eachothers throats arguing about the minutiae of just exactly how the bad timeline can happen but the second some rando says that some dude from some vn nobody's played can beat goku us fags will hold the line. I'm really no better than a sonicfag but at least i'm not saying Krillin can blow up 12 universes
>>559737394This guy drew female Vegito getting raped by Buuhan btw.
>>559744658Proof or it didn't happen
>>559745242https://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/20084
>>559744420I've been looking for that shit for a while, thanks anon
>>559744658yea
>>559726037Morshu sentence mixers do black magic I swear.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bmXDcsuAsA
power scaling is, and always will be, fucking stupid
>>559744656>but at least i'm not saying Krillin can blow up 12 universesI mean, scaling from 17, he should.
>>559747767That meme is dumb because the characters can control their AOE, that's a plot point and honestly a basic ass Wuxia trope.Just look at Freeza's death beams.It's not even powerscaling, it's just not watching the show or reading books or stories.
>>559747768have krillin and 17 even ever fought?
what's good with y'all niggers bruh it's don dookio
>>559747971No but 17, 18 and Krillin tag teamed throughout the TOP and were pretty equal.
>>559745717I was hoping it was bullshit, sigh *unzips*
>>559748065they did? Didn't Krillin get taken out extremely early on tho?
>>559746140No problem, its a fun image and really indicates the problem is more about being intellectually disingenuous by reaching for shit that's objectively against what the narrative says.>>559747767to be fair the top is small as fuck
>>559748287Lack of ability to comprehend a narrative in general is probably the heart of what's wrong with those types. They don't really see -characters-, they see -stat blocks- with chunks they can fill in.
>>559748260He got taken out but that was after fighting off a dude who was overpowering 18 and then fighting side by side with her until the dude was taken out with a stinky shoe gag.Same 18 who was dead equal with 17 while they were teaming up and who beat a powered up Ribrianne.
>>559748287>me taking a piss first thing in the morning after drinking 48 cans of beer
>>559748703desu I more see it as simple Tribalism. People don't want their guy to lose to a different guy, and seeing your guy be stronger than some other guy's guy makes the happy chemicals so you deliberately exaggerate everything possible in order to make your guy as strong as possible because your guy losing makes you feel bad
>>559748703>They don't really see -characters-, they see -stat blocks- with chunks they can fill in.Biggest proof of that is that if you use 'powerscaling standards', you can easily have a 'debate' where one party is a carbon copy of the hero who beat the bad guy he's fighting and people will unilaterally say the bad guy wins because of their stat block and a DnD-tier rule interpretation of their 'abilities'.
>>559748892It probably factors in but lets be real, if there's any franchise where a large amount of the fanbase completely misses what the narrative explicitly tells them its dragon ballTo this day there's assholes who try to belittle goku for not finishing off perfect cell when toriyama spells it out that he had zero hope of winning and other such shit
>>559749620To be fair I think dragonball has a seperate problem of most people who discuss the series online only having had seen the series once when they were a kid and only go off of second and third hand accounts and just kind of parrot those opinions. It's how you get shit like "Gogeta was intentionally trying to bait omega shenron to throw the minus energy ball" which would easily disproved if you actually watched the episodes in question but no one has since they were nine
>>559749620>finishing offThat part is the funniest when Cell was in 0 trouble and could one shot everyone short of Gohan at any moment or even just shit a bunch of Cell Jrs stronger than Goku with 0 effort.The fuck are you gonna finish him off when he's still at his first healthbar out of 20?
>>559749805To be fair I think Toriyama did a weird job with that moment. We're TOLD by goku himself that he's entirely out of options and given it everything he has. But we've seen Goku completely out of options, Him at the end of the 23rd, his fight against vegeta, and his fight against frieza. We're very clearly seen him beat to shit and desperate so when this Goku who only has a couple of scuffles tells us he's completely out of options it feels comparatively odd
>>559749805>or even just shit a bunch of Cell Jrs stronger than Goku with 0 effort.I don't think a singular Cell Jr was stronger than Goku, he's explicitly too tired to fight back, and at that moment was even weaker than Vegeta and Trunks, and Cell Jrs didn't seem that much stronger than Vegeta. Not to say Cell isn't overwhelmingly stronger than Goku, just that it doesn't seem like Cell Jrs are above him.>>559750085I think what sells it is that Cell regenerated from his top half being blown up, and he regenerates like nothing happened, while Goku only gets more and more tired. Cell would easily win the fight by attrition, and he could win it at any moment if he stopped messing around.
>>559750085We know Goku was out of option when we see Cell power up later to a level where he could clearly one tap him
>>559750085I mean sure but there's a gap between 'Goku could still try a bit' and 'finishing off Cell'. Cell was nowhere near being in a state where he can be 'finished off'.And to be fair, that was mostly because GOHAN was his option rather than 'fight to the end and hope to come up with something' like in his previous fights.
>>559751724>we see Cell power up later to a level where he could clearly one tap himAnd then he power up again on top of that.>>559751668Eh, I think you could argue either way for the Cell Jrs, what matters is that it make any 'Gang up on him' plan retarded.
>>559751867No that's when he powers up for SS2 Gohan, I'm not counting SPC here. Basically it's showing on paper that Vegeta's words ("Goku's fucked") are real.
>>559751724That was largely true for Monke vegeta and especially frieza at the time and that didn't stop Goku, tbf. Like I obviously understand that Cell was holding a lot of power in reserve but like. Goku hadn't even so much as ripped his shirt off yet. There's no real "this is where goku's starting to get DESPERATE" moment in the same way that there is in the other fights he just kinda gives up (which is why it comes as so much as a suprise to all of the other fighters and is also supposed to be a suprise to the audience) But it just feels moderately odd compared to how goku's fought every other battle up to this point.
>>559752187Frieza wasn't onetapping Goku there, I think there was a bigger gap between Goku and Cell than Goku and Frieza. He did hurt Frieza with Kaioken x20, he just couldn't sustain it.I agree it's not the same visually as previous arcs but it's not really an issue imo.
>>559752312Tbh i'm generally weirded out by the idea of Goku ever voluntarily giving up a fight like that in the first place. Like sure he had Gohan as his backup plan but really given his characterization you would assume that would just mean he can take that as a license to go truly all out and comfortably eat shit as hard as he needs to because it doesn't matter too much if he loses but idk. Goku's characterization at the end of Cell saga in general is very odd
>>559752187>he just kinda gives upThe point is that he didn't give, he just saw Gohan and was like 'That's how we win' and saw that the more he fought, the more Cell just took pointers from him so he was only getting in the way of his own winning strat by continuing to try to win himself.
>>559752538If Goku kept fighting a hopeless battle it wouldn't show his trust in his son to surpass him. We've seen enough to know he's going to lose (and so does he), if he keeps clinging to a victory that's not going to come, gets actually knocked out and THEN sends his son then it looks like Gohan was a desperation pick rather than someone he trusted from the start.
>>559752538Gohan wasn't a backup tho, he was the main plan.
>>559752564> the more Cell just took pointers from him so he was only getting in the way of his own winning strat by continuing to try to win himself.When was this ever a plot point? In fact wasn't it the opposite given that Cell wasn't ever trying at all in the first place?
>>559752538It was never Goku's intention to win. It was to have a good fight with Cell and let Gohan learn his moves before fighting Cell himself.
>>559752925>let Gohan learn his moves before fighting Cell himselfNot so sure about that. Maybe on some level, but I think most importantly it was to show Gohan that yes, he had actually outgrown Goku at this point. Physically.
>>559752681>>559752925Gohan was absolutely in consideration the entire time yes but Goku was genuinely trying his best to kill Cell there, He wasn't confident he could do it obviously since Korin showed the power imbalance but stuff like the IT kamehameha was absolutely him tryharding to kill cell
>>559753091He shoud've spent his time checking with Toriyama to make sure Gohan had his previous characterization and wasn't going to be jumpscared by some kind of wacky new outlook on fighting that Gohan hadn't shown before. Rookie mistake, really.
>>559753332It wasn't a new outlook on fighting, Gohan was put into a position of power against an enemy that was actively talking and taunting him so he thought there was a way out. He saw there was none and tried his best at tapping into his hidden power but these things don't come out on command, he needed to be put through hell for that. We saw Gohan try to attack Cell when Cell attacked his friends and it didn't go well for Gohan.
>>559753480The issue is Piccolo Berates Goku for this plan from the onset, Acting like Gohan's always been reluctant to fight (he hasn't at all since piccolo sacrificed himself in saiyan saga) Gohan's actually generally been fairly quick to anger and never tried to get out of a fight like he does against cell. 16's whole "it's not a sin to fight" is, again, a lesson Gohan already should have and before this point DID learn when piccolo sacrificed himself during saiyan saga
>>559753358Is this a caC?
>>559753841>16's whole "it's not a sin to fight"Okay this is the part that adds ambiguity to this. But that's from 16's point of view.Gohan was trying to fight. He just couldn't tap into a well of anger on command, and the moment he did it turned him into the equivalent of a school shooter more focused on torturing Cell than safely finishing the job. I'd agree with you that this is giving Gohan new traits without that part, but there's clearly a difference between the kind of fight Gohan is already putting up against Cell (regular fighting) and the wild beast he's been asked to turn into.
>>559754091School shooter beasthan is ALSO something gohan shouldn't ever be concerned over because that's straight up something that's never existed up till that point. Every time he goes full tilt complete rage boosting he does a bit of damage and then immediately gasses out while accomplishing some stalling at best. If anything Gohan shouldn't even be confident in that power because it's never been nearly enough to actually beat any of the characters he tries all out with his rage boosts to beat. I would in fact argue that Piccolo's arguing that Gohan never liked to fight and the pep talk speech from 16 was clearly intent to push in a meta sense that Gohan needed to learn that there's good reasons to fight. Which again is a lesson he already learned.
any good youtuber that talks about dbz theories while i game on something
>>559754446>Every time he goes full tilt complete rage boosting he does a bit of damage and then immediately gasses out while accomplishing some stalling at bestYes. But then things changed, he became a Super Saiyan and learned complete control of his emotions with his dad. He achieved his potential or at least a lot of it. He's far beyond anywhere he used to be, even beyond his father now. And now they're asking him not for the 10 seconds rageboost but for some full "indulge into it and surpass Super Saiyan" type of shit. More than that, they're asking him to do it on purpose rather than it happening coincidentally. I think it's fair to say this is set up as something more significant than Gohan throwing a 2800 PL Masenko after Piccolo dies.
>>559754686the issue is this is all setup is not actually done prior to the fight but done immediately within the fight and accompanied with an extreme shift in Gohan's outlook that he's never telegraphed before this point. This would be all well and good if Toriyama did any real buildup to Gohan changing all of his outlook on the fight but it's instantly thrown at the reader all at once and it's extremely jarring. Honestly thinking about it 16's speech to Gohan in general drags this whole thing down. His speech is both complete narrative nonsense to the character he's talking to and Gohan straight up has never talked to 16 before this point. It's just kind of a mess.
>>559755051I'm not sharing this opinion although I can see that the setup is asking the watcher to accept one or two things as facts for this to work. I just think moments like >>559754091, pic related or Gohan explicitly saying "I'm TRYING but I can't get it up" are enough to show the reader it's not about blind pacifism, it's about a more primal kind of rage.
>>559755271>Cell fell on its butt!Always gets a chuckle out of me.
Like ultimately i'm fine with Gohan freezing up and not knowing what to do during his fight with Cell and he's never really personally been put on the spot like that. It's the story contextualizing this specifically as Gohan not liking fighting and not wanting to do this BECAUSE he doesn't like fighting. If they wanted to go with the idea that Gohan cant get it up because of essentially performance anxiety that's all well and good, but Piccolo and 16's speech as well as Gohan himself saying he doesn't like fighting heavily muddies the water and is entirely unnecessary and drags down that narrative. Like if you just want to go with Gohan not being able to tap into his rage on the spot then just GO with that, why add all this other shit
Saiyan girl tiddies by ROM https://twitter.com/ROM_taku/status/2030807440103706898?s=19
>>559756148Surely Kale's nipples would be brown
>>559756226Apparently not>inb4 green like her legendary form
>>559756503Well she loses her melanin when going legendary for whatever reason. So the true lore is that they should be brown in base but pink in every other form. I honestly dont know why they delete the brown in legendary super saiyan it's kind of weird. It happens to Super Broly too. Like was this a thing with Z broly too I don't remember his base having much of a tan
>>559756689Maybe they're racist?
Oh shit new Densetsuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iebr-nudJNM
Will SSJ4 Daima Goku in FighterZ be next month or May? I never know what Bandai's window is when they say "Spring."
>>559604069Gohanfags coping will never not be funny.
>>559556343>PEDOlagir doesn't take criticism towards his waifu really well and his pedo artist AsuraAre they both for real pedos?
>>559760759>realNothing to support that>fictionalBra is 16 and Asura drew some lewds of her, but "16" is just an arbitrary number and Bra herself isn't drawn like a child.
>>559760928>Asura drew some lewds of herDid he at least draw good faces because his faces are fucking ass. I hate looking at them. I feel like Asura has just deteriorated as an artist. Like this page looks like shit. >>559713610
>>559760759He drew loli Bra in a bunny suit, and the OC girl from the tech universe as a naked loli.
>>559761698Did they have child box body?
>>559722328>>559737394>>559744658>>559745717>>559746346God fucking damn it not again
>>559481918Built for Oolong
>>559686445I see Gogeta and Vegito both equally Goku and Vegeta, personality wise. but Gogeta should be a combination of the worst aspects whilst Vegito is a combination of the best. Gogeta should be short-tempered and gullible, whereas Vegito should be calculating and caring.
>>559737394>Girlku heightmogging Vegeta
>>559740459so Gohan is Krillin x Chichi, Goten is Krillin x Goku, and Marron is Krillin x 18?
>>559747971>we'll never get a buddy adventure comedy series where Krillin and 17 learn to get along as brothers-in-law
>>559756148has he ever drawn Kale before?
>>559760928He also drew these "obviously adults".
>>559764775Yes.https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/137370284
next month is gonna make or break us, i can feel it
>>559777206I'll be happy because they won't be announcing FLOPmma 1 and FLOPmma 2 into FighterZ and it'll be just SSJ4 Goku.
>>559753104Of course he was trying his best but he wasn't gonna insist when he saw it wasn't working since unlike the other situation, he wasn't the only hope of winning.
In the manga Gohan learned to utilize Beast's potential by enraging himself just enough to not lose himself while boosting his power even enough to keep up with Ultra Instinct's auto dodging.After seeing Gohan fight this way Broly takes the concept and uses it to reach his super saiyan form while remaining sane.Huh, those two freaks really alike which makes me more and more curious about them, think about it, Goku and Vegeta are pure blood saiyans yet they needed to rely on god and angel techniques to get as powerful as the yare now, Gohan and Broly are a saiyan anomoly born every thousand years and a half breed saiyan yet they are so far above every other saiyan we have in the story from Trunks, Goten, Pan and Bra there are no other two with their freakish potential the only other contender is Freiza who with no god power at all or even formal training he being entirely self taught managed to get even more stronger, he got golden torturing Tagoma for months, he got Black all by himself inside of another time chamber, even Goku,Vegeta,Gohan,Goten and Trunks and Piccolo went in there with a partner rather than alone and who knows how long Freiza stayed in that chamber compared to them. It's especially scary considering how young these guys are well as young as how long Freiza's race naturally lives he's died about 3 times yet it hasn't slowed him down at all, if anything it's gotten rid of his worst impulses and made him a bigger threat GOD I just wanna dicest those three and see what makes them them, imainge if I could make an android with just their cells, they could be the very strongest in the univer
>>559780650>he got golden torturing Tagoma for months>who knows how long Freiza stayed in that chamber compared to them>how long Freiza's race naturally livesDumbass
>>559780650>enough to not lose himselfWhich was never an issue to begin with
>>559782321>Gohan never lost himself in one of his tantrumsSuperbabies need to take the rope
>>559785343Beast is only in Super and Gohan didn't lose himself at all./dbs/ faggots should go back to their dead shithole.
>>559785343>Anon saw Gohan Beast in ZThis level of schizophrenia is insane.
>>559785476>>559785629>no no no I mean with Beast! The form entirely based on the tantrums he had in the original series! That's totally different!The rope, superbabies, take the fucking rope. Now.
>>559785748>You weren't talking about Beast despite the entire topic being about Beast and what happened in the /dbs/ mangaYour dead shithole. Go back.
>>559785748The green text is my problem with Beast verbatim. There's only so many times you can pull the "Gohan always had this potential, he just had to get really angry!" card before it gets repetitive and stupid.
>>559785748Sorry, I don't have to listen to the voices in your head, schizo retard.Tell us more about how many times Beast was totally used in Z.
>>559789167No, no, no. You misunderstood him. He meant in OG DB. He was right next to Goku in episode 1, he swear! Lmao.
>>559789041This level of ESL faggotry shouldn't be tolerated
>>559790341You are indeed not tolerated here, Paco.
>>559789167>please stop trying to connect Beast with Gohan's tantrums like Toriyama did, you can't do that or I will cry!Poor and sad projecting schizo. Let's do the following: next time you pathetically cry and beg for attention implying Beast can't possibly share traits with the tantrums Gohan had in his youth, cry while reading this instead, so you stop shiting the thread with your sad attempt at turning this place into /dbs/ shithole you got banned from.
>>559791216>Please stop being mean to my headcanonGohan had 0 issue controlling himself at any point in Super Hero, your fanfic idea is shit, Toyopaco.
>>559791216It's so funny you jumped in a discussion about Beast Gohan and then got mad people were talking about Super and what happened in it.
>>559791216How the fuck do you read 'Yeah, it's just more Gohan potential stuff' and conclude 'He totally lost control despite that not being shown anywhere'?Even as a SSJ2 he didn't lose control, he just got smug and paid for it.
>meltyyawnpost your GS main
>>559792459Hey, you're that faggot who never recovered from being bullied years ago! How are you doing?
>>559792459Sorry, I don't fulfill the request of retards shitting up the thread.
no /dbg/, not every Bardock poster is Luigi.
>>559792916/dbs/ is that way.
>>559789045Goha Yuna in MY /dbg/ ?!
>>559792916No, retarded tourist, we don't know nor care about your tulpa, you're just behaving like a sperg right now.
>>559792916Luigi is the /dbs/ shitter who projects his childhood of bullying onto others, if anything Luigi exposed himself by replying to the bardockfag, dumbass
>>559611010I swear that comic artist gimmick is just elves bad+hot trendy/old meme
>>559656351Shouldn't be that hard to remake it right?
>>559792916>>559793416Stop talking to yourself, retarded tourist.
>>559793781I mean, it's still available and I think there's another team unrelated from the original dev that kinda made their own update so there's no real 'need' for a remake but still, I'm sure you could do more with a DB pokemon game. Just like at Pokemon Shinobi with Naruto.
>We're getting raided by Nintendo fagsWTF?
>>559747767>Using the SSJ acronym at the top>But not for Blue
>>559794664If SSJalapenos were consistent they wouldn't use the J in first place
>>559794664You triggered the lonely SSfag again
>>559749786>only having had seen the series once when they were a kidtbf, up until the last decade, it was kinda hard to watch the series in full outside of shitty YT uploads and pirate sites. And even if people did want to watch it, DBZ is a 90s weekly anime that's nearly 300 episodes long. And GT is GT.
Unrelated 21
>>559796648The manga has always been an option and has been extremely acessible given everyone and their mother just uses pirate sites for manga anyways
Zangya.That is all.
>>559797334>mangaOfficial translation took a while to get out and the fanscans back then were ass, in both quality and readability.
>>559801234In this house we stand for the flag (mangastream) and kneel for the cross (Scans so shit you cant even make out characters sometimes)
>>559800495>>559796835Evil women...
SS3 Goku is beautiful.
>>559804169
I want to be dominated by Oren Caulifla. Male voice and all.
>>559806449I want to cum in kamin
>>559808814Get in line buddy
>>559800495>Cooler’s Armored SquadronWhy?
Vegitobros…
>>559815102Vegetto spamming SSJ3 when he literally can't recover strength ever is so dumb
>>559815495Salagir seemed to have written ki drain and le hunger as separate problems now.
>>559814925The next Dragon Ball Super movie is going to reveal that Cooler's empire was a thing all along on the dark side of the universe and Turles, Slug, Bojack and their gangs all work under him
>>559680292>canon SS4 AND false SS at same time
I can't fucking wait for him to be added in videogames
>>559830182I expect four forms in Sparking Zero and two forms in Xenoverse.
>>559830182El putisimo cabron...
>>559831339I hope they see how stupid most of those transformations are and he stays a goat.
>>559831339>four formsMakes sense, he has like four designs as a goat but you can reduce it to old goat and prime goat, then cyborg and then UI.>two formsWhich ones tho? There's no way they won't add his strongest form which means UI is in, but then they would add normal Moro73 too and there's no way they won't add goat Moro, it's his best look.
>>559832923Prime goat and normal Moro73, with a unique awoken skill that turns his fur white.
>>559830182I really hope they have seen the complaints and make him always a goat through the entire movie instead of becoming generic
>>559833645>movieAnon...?
>>559836376Wait isn't the Galactic Patrol adapation going to be a movie? Or did I get confused
>>559836569Full anime season
>>559830182I can't wait to beat the absolute shit out of him
>Dabura is the great demon king of the great demon realm, home of majins (魔人 literally demon people)>Babbidi's cape is styled in the same fashion as that of the demon kings>Yakon is called a majuu (魔獣 literally demon beast, same writting as the majins just with "beast" instead "person")>one of the majin races Toriyama drew for Daima looks like Puipui's race>and the one who created (majin) Boo is also a majin, Marba, by Bibbidi's request all in the demon realmSo basically the entire crew was majins? It's kinda weird to think about it, I always pictured Babbidi as a space wizard with other random aliens he brainwashed and Dabura as the one and only demon, and Boo as its own demon-like thing either artificial as originally stated or as some primordial being Bibbidi took control of like Toriyama said later. But after Daima it looks like it was a full demon crew and Vegeta was the mortal Babbidi tried to recruit
>>559833501>goat form and 73 absorbed form (capable of going UI)That's three forms.
>>559836569We don't know.
>>559836569You got confused. It's a new anime series, there's no DB movie in production as far we know.
>>559837131>I always pictured Babbidi as a space wizardThat would have been weird since he literally had a Majin belt and was the one plastering the Majin mark on everyone he could.
>>559837131Who’s the Santa elf guy next to Not Pui-Pui?
>>559837645>Majin belt>Majin markMajin just means "demon person", depending on the context you can translate/understand it as "literally a demon life form" or "just a demonic guy", you know, like MAJIN Vegeta, who wasn't even called Majin originally, but is called that later and isn't a demon in any way or form, is just a "demonized" Vegeta.The same could apply to Babbidi, he's a wizard so he's demonic, so he has a demonic (majin) emblem and leaves that mark on others. It's not evidence for the guy being a majin in fact it seems like Daima just recontexualizes it and the M isn't for majin but for Marba, it's her symbol and she put it on Boo, Bibbidi and Babbidi probably wear it just to perpetuate the notion of them being behind Boo's creation when it was actually this hag
>>559837131I don't think Toriyama's idea of the Demon Realm was completely fleshed out back then, so I'm sure they were just supposed to be aliens considering Pui Pui and Yakon get to fight on their "home planets". I guess other Demon Realm refugees can still have planets like the Namekians do, though.Also, Dokkan Battle gives Demonic Power (demon races, including Gohan, but excluding Glinds) to Yakon but not Pui Pui, though the category was created after Toriyama died so it's up in the air on what they were told.
>>559838249In fact do we even know if those planets were in the universe? Planet Zoon exists in U7 because we have seen Moro attack it but maybe Yakon's planet was just a planet in an in-between layer in the sea of darkness of the third demon world or something you know, remember each realm can have its own planets too. And Gohan and Dabura fought in what it seems to be the third demon realm so Babbidi is capable of teleporting them there in an instant too
>>559831339>>559832923Personally speaking, I hope XV3 doesn't split forms into different, untransformable slots, especially if they keep the preset options. Goku should have a small handful of presets with specific awakening lines:>23rd Budokai Goku: No forms>Saiyan Goku: Kaioken, KKx3, KKx5>Ginyu Goku: No forms>Frieza Goku: Kaioken, KKx10, KKx20, Super Saiyan>Cell: Super Saiyan, Ascended, Ultra>Buu/Daima Goku: Super Saiyan, Super Kaioken, SS2, SS3, SS4>DBS Goku: Super Saiyan, SSG, SSB, BKK, BKKx10, BKKx20>UI Goku: Ultra Instinct Omen, Ultra Instinct, Ultra Instinct Giant>Custom Preset Goku: Choose any combination of up to 10 forms from aboveAlso, costumes shouldn't be locked to presets like in previous games, so I wanna play as Saiyan Arc Goku in his End of Z outfit, or UI Goku in his Daima outfit.
>18 stole ChiChi’s clothes when the androids raided Goku’s house
>literally just 18 but better
>>559838249>demon races, including GohanWhat? Is it at least Beast related?
>>559847737>armwearHNNNNNNNG
>>559848695
>AI ShartYawn.
>>559848932Where?
>>559849021>>559847284
>>559849137>image editing software>AI
>>559800495>>559847737>>559848772>>559849180
>>559849737Zangya-san, that's too rough...
What the fuck was her problem?
>>559837353He's talking about XV.>>559842072Sounds cool, but only if you can select those forms before the fight, otherwise you would be stuck with base form characters for allies.
>>559850146
>>559848643Gohan gets the category after Piccolo's training, pic related doesn't have it but Gohans from when Vegeta and Nappa arrive and after always have it.You would assume it's because Gohan now knows demon moves (Masenko) and the cateogry is "Demonic POWER" and not something like "Demon Species", but Cell also doesn't have it even if it's a card where he uses Special Beam Cannon.
>>559850256She's literally named "cruel".
>>559851861at least she's a good listener
This month is too slow, I need game info stat.
>>559814925Leotard sexo
>>559838249>>559851913You guys give a shitty mobile game too much credit. No, Dokkan categories don't matter, never mattered and will never matter.
>>559851273>He's talking about XV.Yeah and if XV makes two Moro characters and one of them transforms mid battle that's three forms, not two.
>FighterZ online next month>1000s of mirror matches between Goku SSJ4 and Goku SSJ4lol maybe adding only a single character isn't such a good idea
>>559849737Oh no she's pulling the tail
>>559837131>>559839134Majuu is used for some monsters from Daima too like pic related or the minotaur guy, so yes Yakon is from the demon realm too>Puipui is a demon person from a first demon world race that moved to U7>Yakon is a demon beast from a third demon world race (that may or may not have moved to U7)>Dabura is a demon person from the elite race of the first demon world>Buu is an artificial demon built in the first demon worldThe only question is where Babbidi comes from out of the three demon worlds
>>559837131>Puipui was always entirely black and white except for the yellow eyes>Saibaimen are green, dark green, black and purpleI wonder what other weird colors we never got because Toriyama never bothered correcting stuff only Toei/Shueisha colored on their own
>>559878770>The only question is where Babbidi comes from out of the three demon worldsProbably the first demon realm given Marba, Arinsu and Dabura.
>>559883898Arinsu comes from the second demon realm, anon. All gurindo do. And Babbidi can teleport so Dabura being from the first means nothing, the only link here would be>Marba is a witch and Bibbidi/Babbidi are wizards so maybe they come from the same realmEven when they look nothing alike and we have other heavy magic users (nameks) from other realm
Bra is my whore
>>559847737Why choose? I wouldn't mind fucking both at the same time
>>559874601You are in the Dragon Ball GAMES general
>>559886961>Arinsu comes from the second demon realm, anon.She lives in the first, anon. That's why she's allowed to travel to the other two realms.
>>559886961>And Babbidi can teleportSo he's from the first demon world since the other demon worlds aren't allowed to travel.
>>559888702And Babbidi lived in U7 when he appeared, how is that an argument? We are talking about where he is from. Arinsu is from the second demon realm, it doesn't matter where she lives.>>559888998Babbidi's teleporting has nothing to do with Warp what are you even talking about
>>559889715>And Babbidi lived in U7 when he appeared, how is that an argument?It's an argument because being from / living in the first demon world is a special status in the demon world, did you even watch the show? That's literally how Arinsu could even talk to Gomah.
>>559889715>Babbidi's teleporting has nothing to do with Warp what are you even talking aboutHow do you know? It's made clear you can't go in and out of the demon realm if you're not from the First Demon Realm and at no point do we have any indication there's a way around it, let alone that Babidi had it.
>>559890071It's not an argument because Babbidi doesn't need any sort of special status, he can just randomly teleport to other planets and realms, he needs no status, no titles, nothing, he's just a criminal who popped in, brainwashed the great demon realm's king and left>>559890287>How do you know?By reading DB and watching DB Daima. Demons go from one realm to other or to the universes by using Warp, Babbidi has his own teleporting magic.
>>559890979>he needs no status, no titles, nothing, he's just a criminal who popped in, brainwashed the great demon realm's king and leftSounds like a headcanon supported by nothing over the much easier explanation he's from the same place as everyone who can leave the demon realm, wear no collar and everyone he's known to have a connection with.
>>559890979>By reading DB and watching DB Daima.And yet what you just said is nowhere in either of them.Also even Kai Kai can't go to the demon realm so clearly what Babidi did wasn't teleportation against the rules of the demon world.
That Chichi is hot.
>>559891632Gross wtf
>>559891632I actually like this Goku
It's a lot more likely that Babidi's demon world ship just had some special permission cause he literally had the King on board than assume Babidi somehow could break all the rules of the demon world and had better teleportation than the shit Kaioshins use.
>>559891632What's Bardock doing with Chichi?
>>559891197The easier explanation is that the wizard who is know to be able to teleport can teleport, pretending he made use of a special status never mentioned for him in order to travel is the overcomplicated way. The collar thing also does not apply since we don't know if Bibbidi was in the third demon world when Arinsu made those.All we know is that 5 million years ago the wizard who can freely teleport meet Marba, who currently lives in the first demon world. There's just no way to know where he comes from, only headcanon to fill the gaps.>>559891357>And yet what you just said is nowhere in either of them.Stopped reading here. Watch the first episode from Daima and then the raid on Babbidi ship. Demons need Warp-sama, Babbidi magic teleports people to give his fighters the advange of their home worlds.
>>559891738I like how the farmer's tan isn't too overdone yet noticeable. Not sure about the scars tho since Goku was kinda too tough for anything in the wilderness to really wound him.
>>559891863No, your headcanon that Babidi was a limitless teleporting god nothing could restrict isn't the easier explanation at all.>No wayNo way to be sure but it's pretty obvious the most likely option is the First Demon World.
>>559891863>Stopped reading here.Of course you did since it's the part where you lost and got mad.Watch the rest of Daima where Nahare can't teleport in and out of the demon realm.
>>559891919Another one.
>>559891806Bardock doesn't smile like that and doesn't have a farmer tan.
>>559891632>>559891919>>559892332More awful western "art".
>>559892760>doesn't have a farmer tanNeither does Goku.
>>559891632>>559891919>>559892332More awesome western ART.
>>559892016What's this dumb fallacy? Babbidi doesn't need to be a teleporting god who can go anywhere without limits, but we have see him teleport people from Earth to Puipui, Yakon and Dabura's home worlds. His limits have never been made clear, but the demon realm isn't one of them. I'm sorry your headcanon didn't account for something as simple as the teleporting wizard being able to teleport.>>559892143>kai kai has the same rules as Babbidi's magic because... it just has okay?! You are mad!You are projecting, brownfriend.
>>559892924Samefag. You're probably the artist, aren't you? I've seen AI slop that looks better than your trash.
>>559892910Toriyama thought otherwise
>>559892945Kai Kai is better than any other teleportation we know and has no rules as far as we know. Spam more exclamations mark to show how not mad you are that you got debunked.
>>559892760>farmer tanRetard. All saiyans have dark skin.
>>559893101Goku is a white man. He's not tan or brown like you are.
>>559893214>Kai Kai is better than Babbidi's magic even if we have seen otherwise because...because you have to believe it okay!? Stop making fun of me you can't do that!Last (You)
>>559892945>What's this dumb fallacy?It's something called 'Not a fallacy' and 'extremely smart and accurate', two thing you have no idea about.Going 'This wasn't made clear so it's teleportation thus uber gob unrestrainable teleporting Babidi' will never be more likely than 'Everyone associated with Babidi is from the first demon world, what he does can only be done by those from the first demon world and he doesn't have THE defining characteristic of everyone outside the first demon world'.>No uLol, you were really hurt by your headcanon being called what it is.
>>559893369>The thing Buu copied to get to the Kaioshin realm instead of anything Babidi is inferior to Babidi's 'teleportation' (that I made up because it's never called teleportation nor an ability of Babidi himself, it could just be weird shit with his spaceship) because I decided to self insert as Babidi. Please ignore Daima deriding Babidi as a scrub in magic.>I will now not dare ever reply to you againFirst time I met a Babidi fag, that was weird.
>>559893246>dark skinThat's a tan, faggot.>>559893249Aren't you that retarded phoneposter that always shit up the thread?
Babidi can't teleport shit, otherwise he'd have just teleported out of Buu's grip.
>>559893802This is one of if not the last Gokus Toriyama ever drew and coloured before he died. As you can see, he is WHITE and not tan or brown. Goku is white like me. Your concession? Nicely wrapped for me to take.
>>559893948You realize that tans aren't forever, right? They come and go.
>>559893948Here are some more WHITE Gokus Toriyama drew before leaving us. Tanku brownnoids want Goku to be just like them so bad. It is sad to see.
>>559893948>Goku is [...] like mebased and true
>>559894130Even Goku Black is tanned.
>>559893802Tan is when your skin changes due to the sun. Saiyans naturally look like this. Saiyans are dark skinned, not tanned.
>>559894112And he is EVIL. Coincidence? I think not.
>>559894432That Goten isn't even tanned. You debunked yourself.
To any Legends players in this thread, which of these "Operation Get Characters" event characters should I focus on?I already maxed out the Ultras and got one of every character, but I don't think I'll have enough stamina to max everything out.Also, how often does this event come back?
>>559894594I don't remember exactly but most were pretty good IIRC so you're unlikely to get a full dud.
>>559894525>you debunked yourself by proving saiyans aren't tanned, which is exactly what you saidRetardbro?
>>559894959He's not dark skinned either.
In a game with a large roster would you rather have only Beerus, Champaign and maybe Belmond since those are the only G.O.D.s that actually matter or have every single one? Let's say they could also add in the manga moves if they wanted to diversify the movesets a bit
>>559895205Might as well have everyone, no?
>>559895004>this isn't darkI get you are charcoal-skinned but in the first world we call this "dark skin"
>>559896332Post your hand. Also, no, that isn't dark skinned.
>>559896378Yes, it is.
>>559891632>>559891919>>559892332>scars all over his bodyWhy are Tumblr artists like this?
>>559897401You're as dark skinned as that Goten
>>559897628You can even take pink from parts of my hand, my charcoal skinned friend. Not from Goten's. Because Goten is a saiyan and thus, dark skinned. No tan, just natural dark skin.
>>559898243Cope
mystic flash? is it 2026 or 2016?
>>559901784I don't understand XV2 combos at all
>>559711216>impressive-LOOKING stuff*FTFY. A lot of Sonic's "impressive stuff" are taken way out of context. Especially when the comics are involved.
wake me up when Sonic's games can sell more than 1m lol
>>559902612So, nearly all of them after going multiplatform in like 2003?
>>559902014There are 5 main combo routes on most characters.9L (nine light attacks)5H (five heavy attacks)LHH (one light and two heavy attacks)5L3H (five lights then three heavy attacks)HLHLH (often referred to as the alternating/alt combo, heavy light heavy light heavy attack in that order).The in-game pause menu shows these routes, however they don't really explain how you can shortcut into certain combos or reroute your string into a different one, like going from the heavy string to the light string. Here's a combo chart for Nail. In this clip, I initiate the alt combo from a backhit. I finish the combo, but anticipate the opponent to vanish on the last hit. I use mystic flash since he's low on stamina and I knew he'd be behind me.If you have any general questions about xv2 combos, feel free to ask!
>>559907889Damn, it's a lot more complex than I thought
>>559907889>>559908415Thanks for the info BTW
>>559713610>respect for lifeLMAO
>>559908608silly anon, cyborgs aren't REALLY life!
>>55990609718 jobbed...
Soon.
>>559895205At least add Quitela too, since he's stronger than Champa and equal to Beerus.
>>559908608>an excuse to draw Videl's tits
>>559896296Well it's because the Destroyers not in the first point other than maybe Quitela (now that >>559914789 reminded me of him) probably have almost no fans and adding in 8 characters with unique models would be a fair amount of dev time that could go elsewhere
>>559912524But has she jobbed 18 times?
>>559919472If I remember correctly, Liquiir, Arak, and Iwen did also had a fight scene in the anime. At the very least, both the anime and manga gave Liquiir enough material for a full moveset.
New Yamamoto doujin up on Sad Panda
>>559893948This is also one of the last Gokus Toriyama drewAnd he clearly drew him with a tan which fits what the Daizenshuu established of the Saiyans: a homogeneous race with black hair, black eyes and yellow skin
>>559921735Based
>>559921735If Yamamoto shrunk the women's tits, he could really pass off as Toriyama-like. Far more than Toyotaro.
If Saiyans have a tan, are they like space hispanics?
>>559921735hasn't he done three separate Bulma x Roshi ones?
>>559922056Forgot pic.
>>559922056I'd rather the canon girls be that buxom
>>559922108Outside of the games, he's only done two, though technically this is first since the other one was Oolong in disguise.
>>559922108Nobody loves Roshi more than doujin artists.
>>559922530They just like using actual perverts for this stuff, and the only other openly perverted characters in Dragon Ball besides Roshi is Oolong and Old Kai.
>>559923145>Old KaiI'm still surprised how few hentai there is of him fucking Bulma, since Goku promised to let him grope her.
>>559922074More like space AsiansWhich is why Toriyama said if he had to choose someone to play as Goku it would be Jackie ChanAnd DB was made from a trip to China
>>559923551I mean, mount paozu is clearly just that one famous mountain range in China, and the Journey to the West fable itself is a Chinese classic on the level of King Arthur. Toriyama also has said stuff like the World Martial Arts tournament locale was based on south Asian islands like Indonesia.
>>559893948>>559921765>flopma anything being the lastKEK we'll be seeing new drawings of Toriyama's Gokus in the 2030s.
>>559926906>He's still clinging to his unfunny flop schizophrenia
>>559927209>unfunny>series basically DoA the moment it endedEnjoy the last huzzah with the fighterz character who happens to be another Goku, then it'll never be brought again
>>559927602>DoA>After it endedLmao, he's so retarded he doesn't know the 'A' in 'DoA' stand for 'arrival'.
>>559927602See how you didn't deny it was schizophrenia, you're just mad it's not funny?
>>559908608I’ve read the DBM novel when I was younger and it glazes her so fucking hard and tries to rewrite her as being more kind and heroic. It’s such an obvious attempt at damage control.
>>559927209You are shilling a cuckold artist.
>>559928228You're an unfunny schizo
>>559928872>ad-hominemSee?
>>559929727>RedditWe do see.
>>559926906>new *copies of Toriyama's Goku.ftfy. There will only ever be one Toriyama.
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>>559919472Hey now the egyptian woman who I forgot the name of might also have some fans
>>559906097Is this yuri?
>>559895205Honestly I would like for all the GODs + Angels from universes that participated in the TOP to be playable in X3 because I would like for you to be able to choose which universe your CaC comes from and have the starting mentors be the 3 most prominent members from the chosen universe and the GOD from your universe is who you train to get Ultra Ego + Destroyer Candidate and the Angel to get Ultra Instinct Could even come with an early unlock of some costumes like if you start with U11 you get a Pride Trooper uniform
>>559930948>There will only ever be one Toriyama.anon, Sasuke exists.
>>559468361Is that a Super Mario tank?
>>559950816What do you mean?
>>559950816No>>559951512Toribot looks like a Sniffit and he's wearing Arale's overalls, which look red in the image.
>>559952486Ah okay. That make sense
>>559940108Helles?
Buu is currently the free weekly character in GS. For whatever reason season 4 doesn't start today, but there are a few extra, simple missions that award you gems.
https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/fanart-3001.htmlHmmm.....
>>559921735From the pv I thought it was going to be about Bulma using the watch to make her tits bigger. I'm very disappointes
>>559927748but it stands for Alive
When it comes to awokenings do you hope they speed up the transformation sequence for Blue Evolved, Beast and Ultra Instinct? Most of the time I don't even bother using those awokens anymore because the start up animation is so slow and telegraphed you can only do it if your enemy is stamina broken and even then if their stamina is low enough they'll recover before you finish and guard break you I've seen actual players do that, if you're gonna pack an awokening as a saiyan it's either the basic super saiyan tree, FSS nobody uses this or red and blue, I hve been seeing blues around alot more, did they get rid of the damage in crease for it?
This will fix the thread. THIS WILL FIX EVERYTHING!
>>559987714>thread literally dies for 2 hours
>>559987714>>559994323
the Balls are inert.
>>560000334Kale? I’d rail.
>>560000334Damn...
>>560000334 Looks like Murata's style
>>560001978It kind of does, especially the eye shape.
>>559586249>Who?Kaio-sama.The Kaio in Kaioken.The blue fat guy that trained Goku during the Saiyan Arc.
>>559585784I don't care about DBM, but I'll take picrel tyvm.Also whoever drew Baba needs to stop drawing.Forever.
>>560011546>pan
>>559688006For me it's mostly their attitude and their techniques.Vegetto is cocky and uses more Vegeta-themed tech.Fusion Reborn Gogeta was serious business like Goku in the Buu Saga, and DBSB Gogeta is serious but also playful like Goku in most of DBS.
>>560011546Umm b-but Baba is hecking hot now
>>560012414Vegito's cockiness was manufactured in order to ragebait buu into doing a very specific thing. Gogeta literally existed for 4 minutes and did 2 things at the end of the movie in a completely different situation. GT gogeta is turbo cocky and it causes him to defuse.
>>560018182GT assumes Gotenks' personality is a consequence of metamoran fusion rather than it being a mic of Goten and Trunks' personalities, so transfers it to Gogeta as well.
>>560019327>Mix of goten and trunks's personalitiesYou mean Trunks' personality? Goten isn't really in gotenks at all but to be fair he doesn't have much of a personality to speak of in the first place.
>>560019603Gotenks has Goten's dimwittedness. Trunks is a brat, but he's also intelligent. too smart for his own good. Gotenks is both stupid and belligerent.
>>560019603He's Trunks but extra childish so that's the Goten part.
>>560019795I don't remember Goten being very dimwitted at all over the series. He's not like super smart or anything but he's also like 7. Trunks also never came off as being particularly smart either. Goten even almost got him in their fight if he didn't go super saiyan.
>>560020126he basically does whatever Trunks tells him to and never thinks for himself.
Doing a quick read through of buu saga this seems a lot less like Trunks is inherently smarter and Goten is inherently dumber as a personality trait so much as it is just that Trunks is just supposed to be the older kid compared to Goten
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The villains of Xenoverse 3 will be versions of the cast from The Forgotten Timeline. It's a world left in ruin by a neglectful Kai of Time in the ancient past.
>>560020564Yeah, that's how I felt it was intended, but making them identical heights instead of making Trunks a bit taller is what caused the confusion. I like the idea of either Trunks being over taken when Goten gets a growth spurt, or they have opposite heights of their dads and Goten is always a few inches shorter.
>>560026039i swear this dude's favorite character list is like>bra>vegito (but only the vegeta parts)>bojackhow many fucking specials can you make about him man
>>560026039They really know how to give people what they want
>>560026613identical height?
What I'd want to see in XV3 is some tweaks to customization. >a new outfit slot, Logo. Let's you put any logo on any outfit, and maybe it's just a tattoo if you're shirtless.Options include: Crane, Turtle, Demon Clan, Kami, Capsule Corp., Time Patrol, Cooler's Elites, Whis, that Form Of Distruction logo that appeared on Toppo's chest.>by Age 1000 humans and saiyans had fully merged into one people, called earthlings. I feel like killing off the human option is a mercy at this point. >break up hair into multiple sectionsBangs, top, back, and sides can all be mixed and matched independently. Maybe two sides, I don't know. This could work for aliens too. Sides for fridges means horns. Bangs for namekians means antenna. >lock in a name for fridges alreadyI hate "Frieza Race." I get there are lore implications to frost "demon." Can we get anything though? Outworlder maybe? Alien?>add animal folkListnen.
>>560027357Buu Saga?
>>560027576Trunks still looks a bit taller even here
>>560026039>Vegeta gets sidelined in his own fight against his weaker evil counterpart>Bra comes to the rescue and removes all of the stakes>several unfunny “gags” and out of character moments>not a single fucking word was said between Bra and Vegeta>it just ends with Vegito and Moori being found by the future androids>another motherfucking Bojack special How are people still reading this?
>>560027610Trunks just has his dad's huge forehead. It makes him seem taller. His eyes are lower than Goten's.
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>>560026039Okay, I like Bojack more than average but who in the DBM team love Bojack THAT much?>>560027387If Age 1000 really is XV3, since it had Toriyama's participation we might FINALLY get a real name for his race.Or at least 'Oh, Freeza erased his race's previous name so now we're REALLY called Freeza's Race'.
>>560027729>How are people still reading this?For the most part? They're not. Most people are shocked when they get told it's still going.
>>560028183>capeshit for ants
>>560028303"We reject our ancestor's evil history. We renounce his name and won't be the frieza clan any longer!""Yeah! We're... uh... what should we call ourselves?""What do you think, John 1000?
>>560027729People who want Dragon Ball to be like Hunter x Hunter.
>>560028707>"We reject our ancestor's evil history. We renounce his name and won't be the frieza clan any longer!">"Yeah, from now on we'll name ourself after a great hero from our history! We shall now be known as Frost Clan!"Have it happen just before you do the mission where Frost is revealed to be a fraud so they just go back to Freeza Clan.
>>560029180Elaborate.Also not gonna lie, a Hunter Exam type arc or competition in DB would be a nice change from a normal tournament.
>>560029309Frost Clan still isn't a species name though. It's not Human Clan, Namekian Clan, or Saiyan Clan. Is one individual called a frost?
>>560029727Aren't they called Freeza-jin or some shit in Japanese? So in Japanese it work as a species name but it's hard to translate.
>>560026410Fucking spoiler that shit, anon
>>560026039KEEEEK.>>560026709>how many fucking specials can you make about him manThis will be the 5th one. Gast had 4 specials just to tell his adventures on Earth, so the real favoritism is still with his OCs. What I find particularly funny is Bojack getting two specials after he got killed.
When is Battle Hour happening? I'm baking the next thread in advance, and I should add that to the next OP.
>>560011546That's a rare moment of good characterization
>Salagir has to interrupt the story with specials that take months>it has been constant for years nowJust end the fucking story. Holy shit. I need Salagir to kill himself.
>>560034972it's like next month
>>560034972>>560036846April 19th and 20th specifically
>>560036846>>560037310Thank you.
Iyoku should make a massive multi-crossover game called 'Beat Goku' and players have to assemble a team of characters from other franchise to beat Goku.The game end with you failing to beat Goku and if you mod it otherwise, they send ninjas to your house.
>>560034736>five specialsJesus fucking Christ.
>>560034736Didn't the last special have lose and die? Why the fuck are we getting another?
>>560027729I said it before but I'll say it again, those that have shared fanworks they actually like gotta feel good knowing just how much better they are than Multiverse.
Since DBM was mention, any Quest or Kakumei updates?
>>560039339Kakumei is on hiatus because they’re trying to animate it.
>>560039970This is an insanely stupid idea. What were they thinking? They barely have the content for like what? 5 episodes?
>>560039339I'll be honest I haven't been paying attention to SCQ for a long while. Don't know about that other anon that was following it, but I've gotta imagine it's more of the same.There was the one anon that played that Tuffle one, I remember him actually liking it. That ever start up again, Tuffle guy?
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>>560040079They’re making a huge mistake. Dragon Ball Absalon and Deliverance tried to do the anime format and it took them years to make each episode.
>>560041120To be fair, they are french and have a much better animation industry but still.
>>560029971They're called "Furiza ichizoku", literally Frieza's clan/race.
