First for fucking your bros in the trenches

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>>559961512

>>559961651
>he doesn't want hard helldiver shlong
>cock in the dirt canal
>while your turrets take care of everything topside
Floor covered in so much jizz we all getting trench foot (worth)

BF1 sucked ass so this gay WW1 cosplay warbond will also suck ass. Don't @me because I am 100% correct.

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All right, let's do some talking about this shit.

I know it's easy to just instantly dismiss this thing because "lol SMG" and "lol Crisper," but honestly I think this thing has potential. Not only is it a one-handed weapon that lets you carry objects while maintaining firepower or shoot behind you while running, but the same applies to the underbarrel flamethrower. If you can run away from targets while spraying them with fire, it's a damn good way to kill pursuers.

Not to mention that you have access to a flamethrower without having to sink a weapon slot for the Flamethrower or Torcher, and it also frees up your secondary slot for something like a Grenade Pistol. The thing that made the One-Two great was that the underbarrel launcher meant you no longer had to rely on a Grenade Pistol to kill spawners or cargo doors, and you could still restock those grenades by grabbing ammo boxes. The underbarrel flamethrower lets you create burning ground while still having access to a bullet hose weapon. and since it's a SMG it's virtually impossible to murder its ergo without attaching every heavy weapon mod in the game.

This thing is going to have pretty great utility, and I'm looking forward to using it.

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loadouts for this feel

>>559962074
It's going to be mid regardless but I'm just hoping it won't be shit enough to be a pain to level, that's all I ask.

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It's going to be hard to say where this thing is going to land, outside of it having zero drag factor due to the gyrojet rounds. Is it just going to be a drag-less Verdict with slower rounds, or is there going to be something particular about it? Because the Warrant also has zero drag but also benefits from homing rounds and probably double the mag size, while the Talon also has zero drag but near-hitscan rounds and potentially infinite ammo if you can manage its heat. Who knows, either it's going to be something funny like explosive rounds or something absurd like AP4, I'm not going to bet either way.

>>559962074
>One-Two
>great
No, the issue with these double up weapons is that AH then feel it needs to be nerved in terms of damage capability and ammo relative to other options. The One Two was weak and you were better off just taking a punchier gun, this will likely be the same. Watch them put light ap on the actual smg component of it and give a pitiful amount of flame ammo, rendering it essentially useless.

>>559962419
I mean that trooper got turned into mist...trvst

>>559962074
The flamer will have next to no ammo and will be enough to kill one medium enemy only.

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Honestly, not much to say about this one, except that you can dig holes without having to find a shovel on the map. It being a secondary melee already puts it roughly on par with other secondary melees. So really, it comes down to how creative players can get with hole digging to make this thing useful. At the least, trench digging is going to be very time-consuming so I imagine this will only be useful on bricks and maybe flag and mineral missions.

who are you again and why should i care

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This thing is going to be the best item in the warbond no matter what, that goes without saying. People only tolerate the EMS Mortar because it's non-lethal and it highlights where enemies are with those bright blue flashes so you can go and finish them off and give the mortar something else to shoot at. This one provides actually useful crowd control, the only problem will be if it'll fire three rounds at the same target and wastes that shit like the other mortars. I just hope they don't handicap it with an absurdly long cooldown.

>>559962074
>>559962515
The real problem is that using underbarrels is clunky as fuck as we've already seen with the one two
AH really needs to do basic quality of life stuff and give us a firing mode hotkey
One-Two is probably my favorite AR in the game but i almost never used the underbarrel GL outside of closing bug holes and squid fabs (it just straight up does not work on bot vents i stg)

>>559962915
It steps on the EMS mortar's toes alot
like this is a straight upgrade
i would've preferred a smoke or fire mortar, bc this make mortar maxxing a little redundant
Kino warbond but there's not alot unique about it
I get why some anons consider it a drip bond on par with MoC (ignore the fact that pyrotech nades are like a top 3 nade in the game) ((also ignore the amendment which is one of the sickest marksman rifles))

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From what we can tell, this thing is going to be AP5 explosive, and the blog post indicates it's going to have a pretty bad throwing range. But unless you only get three per spawn, it stands a good chance of displacing the Thermite. Though frankly, the Thermite being able to stick to a heavy still makes it useful in case you're fighting a high-mobility heavy like a Charger or Fleshmob that might escape the blast radius. I'm too married to Dynamite to give this more than a token honest try, but I don't expect it to have more than 30 demo force.

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>they put the le epic chud German armor and haha war crime shotgun in the SC store
They know their audiences well.

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And the one that everyone's most excited about. I would have been too, had I not witnessed how AH butchered the BFGL. Still, not having to reload, and having more range, even if its damage output is along the same lines as the existing Flamethrower it's going to be an improvement. The whole reason why the Flamethrower and Torcher are ass is because they have zero range on top of zero crowd control, so you end up putting yourself directly in harm's way for only mediocre damage output. The Cremator having range cancels out its need to have crowd control, as long as you can set enemies on fire from range you can kill them before they get close enough to require crowd control. Though I'm secretly hoping that its burning ground will be Napalm tier since it's a double-tank liquid propelled flamethrower, at the least it's going to benefit from the fire damage buff that support weapons (now two) enjoy.

>>559963715
>butchered the BFGL
The BFGL is good though.

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>>559956150
>>559957251
I don't understand why anyone would want so many weapons to remain irrelevant and relegated to only being picked by contrarians. Why would you not want them to get the small buffs they need to make them feel good instead of just "viable" (and still never picked)? [/spoiler] note to nerfniggers: this does NOT mean giving them heavy pen or infinite damage [/spoiler]

>>559963258
>ignore the fact that pyrotech nades are like a top 3 nade in the game
Are they? What do they do better than the rest?

>>559963815
>[/spoiler]
i accept my own concession

>>559963783
>less than half the GL's damage per round
>less total damage
>less than half the explosion volume

>>559963815
Anon I wouldn't bother with that Anon, he had the reading compt of a gold fish.

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>>559963667
>german

>>559963815
Just because a weapon isn't op doesn't mean that it's irrelevant. Every single weapon in that pic is fun and viable, only a shitter would disagree. Also, learn to spoiler you stupid buff jeet.

>>559963905
Regular GL shouldn't have heavy pen.
>less total damage
>including the supply pack by default in your argument
KEK! You're one of those shitters that takes the supply pack on every single mission, huh?

>>559963815
knight has a sub 1% pick rate but everyone who isn't a complete retard knows it's an absolute chainsaw
the site's worthless with its tiny ass pool and shouldn't be used as a reference

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>>559964173
BFGL: 150 x 100 = 15,000 damage
GL: 400 x 40 = 16,000 damage

>>559963891
iirc the pyrotechs sparks are Anti-Tank

>>559964173
There are honestly too many itt who are unhealthily obsessed with supply pack

>>559964262
Oh wow! a whole thousand points of damage! The main problem is that the regular GL is too good and shouldn't have heavy pen while the backpack version should keep it.

>>559964308
>There are honestly too many itt who are unhealthily obsessed with the single biggest crutch in the game and the BIS backpack since day 1
I wonder why.

>>559964308
It's almost like it's unreasonable how good that single backpack is and how hard it trivializes the game even further (plus helping dogshit ammo weapons out but thats neither here nor there)

>>559964308
I'm going to keep having 40 stims used at the end of every mission as well as infinite ammo and no one will ever stop me.

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LOBBY DOKO!
I have a strict NAT type so i can't host :/

>>559964308
It's the ultimate tool of shitters. It needs to be heavily nerfed or removed.

>>559961846
Stfu Truth Enforcers faggot, go post another face the wall meme

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>>559964369
>dilating this hard over a pve game

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>>559936182
Someone, not me, fucked a bug on deployment
And now she's here as democracy's perfect soldier.

>>559964658
you misunderstood
https://www.nexusmods.com/helldivers2/mods/11371
ant mod

>>559964034
are you actually retarded? i specifically stated that they don't need to be made overpowered. Nobody uses these weapons and it's not for no reason.
>relegated to only being picked by contrarians
>Why would you not want them to get the small buffs they need to make them feel good instead of just "viable" (and still never picked)
you are doing the equivalent of woke retards defending dogshit games by continuously saying WELL IM HAVING A BLAST as the game implodes and shuts down after a month
>WELL THEY'RE VIABLE AND FUN THATS WHY NOBODY EVER PICKS THEM
>>559964207
knight's skewed because it's super citizen edition only, i don't think it's a bad gun.
>waah waah muh pool size
but if i post the trident or coyote's pick rate in any other discussion you will instantly agree with the data and scream for them to be nerfed

>>559964369
>>559964465
>>559964483
>BIS backpack since day 1
Not any longer, update your opinions.

>>559964641
no one is allowed to killmog me or I'll lose izzat

>>559964658
>>559964702
I'm retarded
Meant for >>559938530

Ant is cute too

>>559963891
6 structure blowing nades alone makes it top tier
but they also function like a pocket eagle nape
sure you lose some AT utility compared to shit like thermites but it's a far better all 'rounder nade
I have to force myself not to take them ever since MoC came out
Also they look pretty when you spam them in the air for the extract cam :)

>>559964765
Which one is it then?

kys furfag

>>559964729
the very fact that the diligence of all guns is that low disproves any point you could possibly have.

>>559964765
no one said that tardo

>>559964931
I did, because it's true
>>559964765
there's a massive gap between the supply pack and the second best that is the warp pack
>guard dogs
lmao
>hellbomb
lmaoooo

>>559964930
>this one example i found is an outlier and now i will ignore everything else listed
just fuck off back to the 'cord

>>559964563
Just remove the ability to self use it. Maybe make it like a team reload where a teammate can feed you ammo by pressing E instead of just being able to hard all 4 packs to yourself.

>>559964910
>still sperging about furfags in the big 26
NGMI Brah
Shiggy Diggy

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>>559964931

>>559964840
There is no BIS backpack any more, just a bunch of strong options. Jet pack is great for speed on blitzes, warp pack solid all rounder, even the dogs let you focus on objectives while they handle trash clear and the gas/flame is better than the old gun/laser (great on bugs/squids).

>>559965106
Unhide my post. Now.

steam://joinlobby/553850/109775242354261722/76561198026977961

Bugs 10, I'm gonna bring the torcher and have a lot of fun

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>https://litter.catbox.moe/nvl1bi.mp4

okay, what the actual fuck.

>invisible units?
>swigger coding?
what killed me here?
public lobby, no shenanigans

inb4 why didn't you stim: I wanted to see what killed me, forgot it doesn't fucking tell you now

>>559962515
>Watch them put light ap on the actual smg component
why the fuck would it be medium pen?

i'm gonna sound like a newfag but i don't get goonmods for helldivers, do you really need eye candy while shooting bots or bugs?

>>559965124
Amazing how none of what you just said matters when I have 8 free stims, at least 8 grenades and sometimes 12, as well as practically infinite ammo (including 4 extra ultimatum bombs if you take it) on my back ready to go at all times, which I can also give away to teammates if they need it. Compared to being more mobile or having some fire support. You're full of shit, man. The supply pack is the best backpack in the game by far and always has been.

>>559965318
have you noticed random enemy sounds when nothing is actually around? I'm fairly sure that enemies are spawning below the ground now and they're just barely able to swipe your feet

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>>559965318

>>559964173
>>including the supply pack by default in your argument
retard can't do basic fucking math and thinks that the GL needs a supply pack to out-damage the BFGL

>>559965318
ive noticed alot of squid enemies sometime are underground/inside buildings and hit u, happens on bugs too, not so much on bots. it can be quite easy to spot cus if u run away and it stops its usually a sign

>>559965085
They've never been welcomed here. Never will be.

>>559965325
Exactly why I said they'll make it light pen. Ofc in current scale creep light pen is trash though, so it will be an instant garbage gun.

>>559965318
desync

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>>559965170

>>559965527
>light pen is trash though, so it will be an instant garbage gun.
I'm getting real tired of these "shitter outs himself" episodes

>>559965464
https://youtu.be/fq3abPnEEGE?si=aOkju7Vw6snPZZ90

>>559965430
>need
no, but i don't mind it every now and then

>>559965436
>t. man who has only watched Boss Baby

You don't need all that shit when you can just warp/jump straight through or around engagements. Why do I need the ammo and stims to fight something that I can just completely avoid?

>>559965430
I just like seeing the female form and I think having the default female body be so similar to the male body is a shitty cop out.

>>559965648
Okay I'll bite, what light pen gun is so good it mogs the mountain of med pen we have in 2026 HD2?

>>559964308
Needs to be divided into an ammo pack and a stim pack so now you choose between more dakka or god mode.

>>559965730
Some people enjoy shooting things in their shooter game. I'm not even saying the other backpacks are bad, they're just not as stupidly good as the supply pack

>>559965828
trident

>>559965318
invisible desynced voteless, has only ever happened to me on squids

>>559965828
>what light pen gun is so good it mogs the mountain of med pen we have
>the "If it's not the best then it's garbage" argument
also seen this one a million fucking times
and what >>559965992 said, trident. scythe also fucks harder than many medium pen guns on bots

>>559965318
It's either desync or a fleshmob clipping bellow the ground.
Probably desync they don't tend to go underground unless there's stairs or cliffs nearby which there are none in your case.

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So they're really re-adding the shovel to the warbond as a secondary huh?

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Only brown people install this

>>559965828
Do you even aim for weak points or are you fire and forget?

>>559964308
Even if you remove the supply pack I'd rather just bring the regular GL because I can literally bring any other backpack and it'll be better than just the BFGL.
What the fuck were the Swedes thinking??

>>559965231

failed

>>559966121
This whole warbond is lazy as fuck it's just recolors or reworks of shit already in the game. I can't imagine it took more than an afternoon after lunch break to get the mortar sentry to fire gas rounds or duct tape an SMG and the small flamer together.
It's all shit already in-game and they even skipped the booster.

>>559966121
Man there really hasn't been a good cape since MoC they're all busy as fuck designs with 0 soul

except the christmas cape that was alright

>>559966121
deep down I sort of want them to add the secondary shovel while keeping the support shovel as is
just for the dumb joke of being able to dual wield shovels

>>559966147
Yes, but are you ready to call AH's terrible sights (or lack thereof in the case of the leveller) out for the thoughtless jeet slop it is?

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The Raped

>>559966292
What was the christmas cape? I don't remember a christmas cape

>>559966121
>Dignity Of Toil
JEETCAPE JEETCAPE

>>559966378
Anon...I...

>>559966383
i prefer calling it the field nigger cape

>>559966279
I mean so many of the Warbond boosters are so comically bad or straight up griefing that it's not much wonder. But we're also at that point that the game would have to invent entirely new mechanics they still haven't developed, if they ever will, to start doing new ideas that are significant and worth it. What, you want arc non-stun rifles and gas shotguns or something?

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>>559966378
If you weren't playing from the 18th of december to the like 28th iirc you missed the FOMO cape

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>>559966378

>Sven is back for his nightly ass bleeding session about basic military function

>>559965885
They are thoughbeit, you just have the Boss Baby glasses firmly stuck to your face.

>>559966228
Yeah this is valid, the one thing I am definitely not defending is the bfgl. Backpack support weapons need to be really damn good to validate them.

>>559966535
>>559966548
Oh ok I have it. I don't remember getting it tho.

>>559966383
>cape is just an incongruous pattern with a silhouette of the helmet slapped on
how many times are they going to do this? stealth warbond had some decent capes, why do they keep falling back on this awful design trope?

>>559966619
They're really not. No one agrees with you.

>>559966059
>lasers
True, got me there. The smg is not a laser though and will likely have shit ammo capacity to boot so why would I take it over torcher/crisper or any of the better med pen automatics? It doesn't have to be "best" it just has to do something more interesting than what already exists

So its obvious Arrowhead is running out of ideas. How long until they abandon their "realistic" weapon design and start leaning more into proper sci-fi?

>>559966228
The thing is the GL is so much better than the BFGL I think I'd rather take it even if it meant NOT having a backpack at all. Much better burst DPS, and even higher overall damage not even factoring the bigger AoE.

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>>559962994
you can now bind the wheel to a hotkey

>>559966728
This general's unhealthy obsession does not mean "no one" agrees. People talk positively about warp and jet packs all the time on here, and in game I see a lot of use out of the gas/flame dogs as well.

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I miss Pilestedt, he was based....

>>559966889
My favorite was when he had a breakdown on twatter when the sony fiasco was going on

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Anyone sc farming in this bitch? Need my funbux to get a shovel.

>>559966886
We're not talking about whether people use them or like them or whether they're good or bad. We've already agreed they're all good. The supply pack is simply the best one.

>>559966939
lmao yeah, nigga was literally emo-posting and making poems

>>559966939
Was he throwing cans of surstromming into the walls and windows?

>>559966889
the image that caused a million nerf tranny suicides

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d10 any steam://joinlobby/553850/109775242355547391/76561198066017633

AIIIIEE CHINKDIVERS SAVE US FROM THIS M.O

>>559966889
miss? hes still around

it's honestly hilarious how badly the wasp trivializes overseers

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>Makes a big deal about losing
>We lose
>All that happens is they throw out 2 unwinnable defenses
Did they seriously expect us to win despite their endless meddling and just didnt plan ahead? Are they really this delusional?

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What is to be done about the Arrowhead problem?

>>559967262
All it takes is 1 building to cuck you. Purifier or any explosive gun rapes them and frees up your stratagem slots

>>559967168
4/4

>>559967352
yeah i like it for longer ranges or high ground, somehow the skinny-ass lampposts manage to cuck me more than any building ever could

>>559967315
Jesus christ man spoiler that shit I don't wanna see it's disgusting face

>>559967026
Under your criteria, because you've only ever played with supply pack

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during summer they probably just tan

>>559967532
LOOK AT HER, HELLDIVER. LOOK AT HER.

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I've mostly been on break since Cyberstan but I guess that's another failed MO at this rate.

>>559965170
lol

>>559967617
the dss remains to be largely a disappointment

>>559967556
>does he know?

>>559967545
You're just making shit up now. It's nice to teleport. It's nice to be able to jump away from the dozen berserkers about to chainsaw you in half. It's nice to bring the ballistic guard dog and have it kill every single chaff unit that gets near you and end the match with 700 kills. But it doesn't give you god mode with 4x the stims as everyone else, with infinite ammo and enough grenades to blow up a mega fortress by yourself. Just admit it man. Nothing in this game is balanced, least of all the supply pack.

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So the Veto will most likely have the 0% drag factor like the jar 5, with that in mind how do you think it will be?

>>559967617
Bugchasers threw the MO because Joel told them to. But remember, bugchasers arnt MOcucks.

>>559967839
>ballistic guard dog
You haven't been reading a single word I've been saying, or if you have you're certainly not trying to take it in. Go back to watching Boss Baby for the 100th time

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>>559966121
How come the Coyote gets incendiary rounds but this SMG gets an under barrel flamethrower?

>>559966789
What really shocked me when I first tried it out was how pitiful of an ammo capacity it had on top of everything else just being noticeably worse than the regular GL.
In an attempt to make the gun "balanced" they just made it an unfun piece of shit, and this game is full of weapons like this where it sounds good but plays like shit and is just fucking annoying to shoot.

>>559968105
great argument champ, you really convinced me that the brap dog and the warp pack are better than the supply pack with that one

>>559968330
I tried to explain but you are a stubborn cunt and not even reading what I've typed so

>>559968330
Anytime, babe.

>>559968153
Honestly I think all it needs to stand on it's own is like 50% more ammo, maybe double it. The point of guns like that is it's fun to just non stop shoot it, so they should lean into that. Hell, I'd even trade a slight damage drop or armor pen drop for that.

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the supply pack is objectively better and really just overpowered and the best backpack in the entire game but I use shield pack instead anyway because I like roleplaying as master halo from halo

>>559968450
like what? that you get good use out of them in-game? that people talk positively about them here? That you can just run away from enemies when you have the warp/jump pack and you don't need extra stims or ammo because of that? These are not real arguments. You're just saying that the other backpacks do what they're supposed to, not that they're the best in slot backpack. And you have a bizarre obsession with boss baby for some reason

>>559968689
Guard dogs are more fun because then you dive with a fren.

>>559968536
Double ammo is a must but if I had to choose between either damage, splash radius, or RoF I would push for splash radius because I want to see more bugs explode at once.

>>559968885
Guards become fren when you dive with a dog.

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steam://joinlobby/553850/109775242356781848/76561199108851031
sc farm for broke chopped niggas

>>559969278
legit farm or are you a dirty cheater

>>559964658
This looks nothing at all like any bug

>>559968718
>These are not real arguments
How are they not? If one can just warp through a mission avoiding half the enemies what do they need all the stims and ammo for?

Your criteria is that you want to kill everything on the map and you seem to have a favour for bots with how you talk about fortresses, ofc supply pack is BIS for that. If we shift the criteria to just completing the mission as quickly as possible and not necessarily on the bot front, supply pack is no longer BIS. Warp/jets will allow you to complete missions faster as you jump around between objectives, and on bugs/squids what do you need all that firepower for? You just have to look at things from a different perspective.
>you have a bizarre obsession with boss baby for some reason
Because you are a man who watched Boss Baby as his first ever movie and compares every other movie to Boss Baby

>>559969327
+50 izzat for you saar

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>>559969327
the latter but drop the dirty i took a shower

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Dataminer here, the trench shotgun is medium pen with 470 damage, the SMG have 95 damage light pen and 40 ammo, you get 2 canisters for the underbarrel flamer, couldn't get my hands on the backpack flamethrower yet cuz shit keeps crashing my game

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owie

>>559969278
full

how much SC do I need to grind for the superstore this time

>>559969559
What about pistol?

>>559968536
>>559968947
alternative path: they give it proper HEDP rounds with actual projectile damage. it can keep the ammo count reduced splash damage and range if the on-target damage was better.

>>559969768
probably like 800-900. It takes like 10k SC to unlock everything on the superstore including the rotating fomo ones.

>>559969768
1k

>>559969690
I always show up too late, fuck. I'm just gonna keep trying to join until someone leaves lol

>>559969395
You keep making assumptions about me that aren't true because your arguments suck. Even down to this weird shit about boss baby. I don't even know what brought the boss baby shit up, you're just obsessed with it. See, now that you actually wrote more than a bitchy little quip and explained what you're thinking, we can continue our discussion. For example, does a warp pack or a jump pack help you more than a supply pack for a spread democracy mission, or a defense mission? Does it help you on a hive world biome? I'm not even accepting that your criteria of speedrunning missions is the metric most people would use to determine whether something is good or not. Taken as a whole, the supply pack is better, because there is not a single mission type, biome, or enemy that you wouldn't want to take it on. So it's the best.

>>559969925
no thanks that's just an even worse maxigun at that point.

>>559970036
>a full auto AP4 explosive weapon is worse than the maxipad
okay retard

>>559970134
I'm going back to the GL

Miquella the Sneed

>>559967262
The judge dread aimhack pistol trivializes the flying ones and that's good enough for me. I can machinegun the others.

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>>559969958
>weird shit about boss baby
How sheltered are you that you haven't come across this image/concept? Let me also ask, can you picture an apple in your head?

>does a warp pack or a jump pack help you more than a supply pack for a spread democracy mission, or a defense mission? Does it help you on a hive world biome?
Now we're getting somewhere, you're starting to think more.
>there is not a single mission type, biome, or enemy that you wouldn't want to take it on. So it's the best.
Two steps forward, one step back. It's a great pack, sure. But on certain fronts, maps, missions the other packs can be just as good as it and this knocks it down from lofty perch of "BIS", no lonher best if it has equals right? If you're farming sc solo, warp pack is even better.

>>559970329
You're in the wrong gym buddy, /erg/'s two blocks down.

Just had my first game where extraction was bugged and the shuttle never showed up even after the time ran out

>>559967872
Absolute shit sway and they will do some fuckery with the damage types to make it near useless.
The talon and senator will remain the only viable sidearms unless you need explosives

>>559971210
This might be a surprise to you, but not everyone in the world has watched some trashy animated movie for children from a decade ago, and not everyone browses twitter or knows about shitty twitter memes. I don't know why you think this is some kind of win for you that I don't understand why you're even talking about it.
Other backpacks having niches where they can do something better doesn't make them BIS. You don't know what the term means. You don't address anything I say. You just say um well it's better if you want to farm SC (not playing the game btw, just doing a chore). Coming up with exceptions to the rule and acting like that disproves my argument is pure midwittery. The fact is you are going to have a much easier time playing the game in pubs or private lobbies if you use the supply pack.

>>559969559
>shotgun with medium pen
realism matters until it doesn't I guess

retard

>>559971868
Realism is when the player isn't having fun (according to swiggers)

>>559971738
>Absolute shit sway
update your seethe. they reverted the sway changes.

>>559969949
you still here? im almost done getting some guys to a good amount
how much sc u got

>>559971715
that pilot had ONE job to do, baka

>>559962419
>Stripper clips
Constitution buff soon, trvst

I wish the Coyote were light pen...

>>559971868
The double freedom exists but it has the obvious downside of only having two shots before reloading.
Curious how they'll balance this one considering the slugger was the only med pen tube shotgun before and it was gutted and nerfed into the ground compared to release.
They'll probably power creep it to sell passes and nerf it in a couple weeks (by nerfing all shotguns because BP guns don't get nerfed :'))

>>559972131
Like 300, same link?

>>559969559
>Dataminer here, the trench shotgun is medium pen with 470 damage, the SMG have 95 damage light pen and 40 ammo, you get 2 canisters for the underbarrel flamer
is this good?

>>559972460
yes, though shitters were will swear up and down it's the worst thing they've released yet

Make every objective that is currently a "sit around and do nothing" objective into a horde event like flag raising, ESPECIALLY extract
I will mail my cum to Arrowhead HQ if they do this

>>559972585
Swedes don't want your cum unless you're Somlian, retard.

>>559971745
It's actually really amusing to me how rigidly you think. I haven't seen BB either, not on twitter and whatever, but this meme is widespread enough (even on 4chan) that it's crazy you haven't come across it.
>You don't address anything I say. You just say um well it's better if you want to farm SC
Once again, not reading what I post so I'll actually just leave you to your supply pack here

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>>559972319
>constitution buff
About that...

>>559972460
It's about average for a shotgun slightly more than the default punisher and like 130 damage lower than the M90a which is the highest damage non-gimmick shotgun in the game. For reference the double freedom deals 840 at medium pen so it's about half a double freedom shot.
It will probably perform like a double freedom but with a tube instead of two shots so expect about half the performance per round with more rounds in the chamber to make up for it.

>>559972460
Smg lives and dies on one handed tag.
If it's one handed. It will be amazing. If it's 2h. It will suck.
Ability to run and gun with flamer against armored enemies is good.
But only for those who run and gun.
Shotgun is probably fine.

>>559969768
Probably 900.

>>559972694
isn't that just some retarded bot

>>559972891
>Ability to run and gun with flamer against armored enemies is good
Crisper already does this thoughbeit? Those datamined stats if true leave the smg in the trash bin, one handed or not.

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>>559972435
steam://joinlobby/553850/109775242359846437/76561199108851031
nah new link

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Thanks for the SC lads, got to go

>>559973059
What I see I like. But that's just me. Sorry for not asking if I should enjoy things without your premission

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I think this enemy needs a rework
I feel nothing but pity for them

this shit game needs a big balance patch or to make the ghost city maps available, for me to even consider coming back to spend my hard earned SC in 8 days.
My other giant issue is to separate commando missions from the rest of bot quickplay missions.

>>559973302
Pretty much nothing in the illuminate font is threatening except for flesh mobs phasing through walls and the ground or stealth strafe niggas that don't make the ground blue for some reason and just fuck you silently
Even leviathans are less of a threat now that they don't infinitely bounce you around they're just annoying and only get cheap kills when you're swarmed

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>>559962994
>you can now bind the wheel to a hotkey
The problem is that AH is retarded and aren't always consistent in which weapon wheel direction does what. For example, IIRC swapping firing modes for the C4 between plant/detonate is weapon wheel right, but swapping firing modes for the AC from AP/FLAK is weapon wheel left.

The smart option would be to let us customize the weapon wheel and bind specific functions to whichever direction that they please, but they're too busy planning vacations to do that.

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>>559973071
>>559972435
3/4 nigga if you dont get your 3 dollar havin ass in here

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>>559973302
'chu say, dive boy?

Is this the leandivers voice actress?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Lindbeck

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>>559962419
My bet is that it will be a pocket dominator, and that they'll give it unplayable levels of ergonomics and recoil. Completely unplayable without the new armor or being prone with other recoil reducing armor. Screencap this.

>>559973071
full

>>559969559
Do it slam fire?

>>559973205
If you enjoy light pen and a measly two spurts of flame before running out of ammo, go for it. Just tell me what diff do you play on?

>>559962074
They won't give it enough ammo to do anything cool. It will be another weapon "balanced" for D5 that doesn't hope to hold up to D10 content without heavily sucking at the supply pack's teat.

>>559973537
and even with the modded spawn rate of these guys they're useless
0% accuracy, 0 splash, 0 damage
i legit think they just trick people because their orb is flashy, i have no idea what anyone is talking about when they say they're flushing the team out of cover

>>559963815
A lot of weapons honestly need like +50 to +100% more ammo.

>>559973769
How else are they going to sell you siege ready? that shit alone is probably keeping the studio afloat.

Chink hacker status?

>>559964308
A lot of the "perfectly viable" weapons are only "viable" with the supply pack bolstering their substandard ammo supply. That or the people calling them viable are constantly dying and respawning with fresh ammo pools.

>>559973851
mogged by swedish countermeasures

>>559973885
Which weapons you talking about?
>are constantly dying and respawning with fresh ammo pools
City and cave maps also have ammo out the whazoo, but also nothing really wrong with death in this game so long as you keep a healthy 10 reinforces in the bank in case shit goes down.

Hover pack with Epoch?

>>559962074
>damn good way to kill pursuers
95% of builds by half-sentient players already have a way to deal with this
>have access to a flamethrower
this is not a boon. it only damages/kills at close range i.e. in the danger zone, and with a strong potential for self/friendly damage. there is no weapon that is worse at killing in close range (excepting the ultimatum, GP, plasma punisher, eruptor) than a flamethrower.
>One-two is great
lmfao
>virtually impossible to murder it's ergo
everyone thought the same thing about AR's dude, the dominator got relegated to the special ed section strictly because of it's shit ergo 6 months ago before Alex got his greasy, cumstained slav hands on it. You'll see. 26 ergo SMG's, here we come!

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>>559963815
>diligence completely powercrept by Censor
RIP my goat.

>>559973427
I swear that the biggest threat on the squid front are retards bringing absolute meme builds to it. It doesn't take much to cover all of the bases and be prepared to kill some oversaars and fleshmobs, but I swear that a lot of players load in prepared to fight voteless and nothing but voteless. For example, this past weekend I saw a ton of people bringing arc throwers. Before you say anything, the arc thrower is perfectly fine for mopping up voteless and oversaars. But these niggers were trying to arc fleshmobs to death. Needless to say, nothing was happening fast. Go ahead and bring the arc thrower, but if you're going to do that then you should have a plan for the fleshmobs. It's not that hard. Bringing some of the plasma guns or the xbow will do it. Or blast them with double freedom. I'm sure I'm missing something, but don't just stand there slowly zapping it for 5 minutes.

Fuckers had more teamkills than the average arcdog too.

>>559974221
Sometimes I do that on bug defense missions, but I just use the hover pack to perch up on some high vantage point.

>>559974172
most of the SMGs and shotguns are lackluster but at least would be able to cope a bit if they had deep ammo supplies.

>>559974287
bullet drop son.

you were never a true marksman diver