UNYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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According to Aran, Hecate never wears shoes.

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Thank you again for baking.
I love my wife Granberia!

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I love Reina!

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Would (You) support another anime adaptation?

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>kitsune kids possible
>plap confirmed

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>>560075561
>Granberia Obviously
Duh! She's my wife, of course it's obvious!~

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>>560075561
>Ilias always

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>>560075561
>marry myusca

>>560075561
>harpies based

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Fuck elves

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>>560076482
And in that vein, Granberia Definitely!

>>560076591
We've got some good, short combos in this one. I like it.

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>>560068754
Praise Ilias and her cute angels!

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>>560078397
I feel like Myu-chan is not the marriage type.

>>560075561
human girl

>>560081604
BotW Zelda grew on me over time.

>>560076482
>>560085591
My favorites were
>Stop trying already, Granberia

And >>560086757
>Evil Death Tits

>>560076591
She looks extra cute in this picture.
>>560086757
I could see Vinum arranging a marriage as an attempt to make a young Myusca learn responsibility and subtlety. If she kills the husband it's no skin off her back.

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MILF Orc edition

Album of my lewds: https://catbox.moe/c/w5gtyf

Friends commissions: https://catbox.moe/c/vo902u

The latest, Orc MILF: https://files.catbox.moe/j3rzvv.png

Raphaela by Dearonnus: https://files.catbox.moe/axocq5.png normal outfit
https://files.catbox.moe/7et6gl.png nude
https://files.catbox.moe/624h1h.png nude with milk
https://files.catbox.moe/0zo9em.png Pregnant (Octuplets, because that's the amount of eggs fertilised in her scene)
https://files.catbox.moe/ki3wwq.png Pregnant X ray

>>560095468
Please kill yourself

>>560095468
Not my cup of tea but nice.

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>>560075561
>kitsune kids possible

Oh really?

>>560096882
Hopefully someone if the guy does commissions at some point in the future comms them out of spite to finish the set with hiruko and kanon.

>>560056597
I actually do have a save at every single save point. Well, the more important ones at least. There are more than 100 save points in all 3 parts so having more saves than that in a single part would require multiple folders of saves per part. I only went through the effort of making one folder of saves for each part.

>>560098969
TrTr would go on to make Merlin into a Spellsword in Paradox. Maybe magic is the use of elemental spirits in general?
You might also want to censor that pic anon, literal bobba in your face.

>>560098969
Could you upload them somewhere if you can? It'd help a lot for cross referencing the VN

>>560075561
>maledom ancestors

Monster sisters... It's over...

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>>560095468
I cant jerk off to this. Please post a different orc.

>>560075561
fight rape kill

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>>560100871
I got you.

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>>560099516
Oh yeah, I kinda forgot that Salamander is constantly flashing everyone.

>>560099731
Sure, I assume catbox is a good enough place to upload it?
I only put the save files here and not the other four files in the save folder so it shouldn't overwrite your gallery, stats, or settings. The rave Location text seems to disappear if I don't have the version of those four files from my copy of the game for some reason, but the saves otherwise seem to work as intended on the fresh install of the game I got from the capy archive.
It's been a while since my last full playthrough of the game so I can't remember how well I placed each save, but nothing notable should be more than a fight or two away. I didn't manage my part 3 saves very well so I ran out of saves after beating Ilias and didn't have a slot left for the epilogue.

https://files.catbox.moe/0r9h2n.rar

>>560101704
Its moderately odd to me we got orcs in MGQ but no goblins. Theres Gob of course but she is a weird Oni thing as opposed to the stereotypical fantasy goblin

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>>560102210
>Theres Gob of course but she is a weird Oni thing as opposed to the stereotypical fantasy goblin
Jap female goblins be like

>>560102210
MGQ got both types of Orcs.
The pink pig ones that Japan still likes, and the green, barbarian pig ones that the West moved too. Green goblins could have showed up in MW too.

>>560102502
>Green goblins could have showed up in MW too
Spiderman monstergirl when

>>560102397
>draw a short elf
>call it a goblin

>>560103179
A friendly neighborhood Kitsune girl, who was bitten by a radioactive fox for reals, has you covered.

what other generic fantasy tropes are missing from MGQ anyways? Is it really just goblins and dwarves and Trtr covered all other bases?

>>560103451
Kobolds are strangely missing in MGQ, which is strange since Japan loves that monster. There is also things like the Owlbears, Mind Flayers, and do we count Liches? We have some monsters that are Lich like, but nothing about a undead with a phylactery.

>>560103447
>A friendly neighborhood Kitsune girl, who was bitten by a radioactive fox for reals
what would her super power be?

>>560103748
Do we count Owlbears as a generic fantasy thing? I don't see them in many things outside of DnD specific stuff

MGQ lacks a dedicated skeleton girl, doesn't it? That's another trash mob that's missing. Which is weird because even DQ has those.

>>560103451
>monsters being ethno-racial stand-ins
>non-casters becoming totally redundant
>summoners drawing on a dangerous or plot-relevant power
>magical anti-drug psa
>whig historiography
I would've added the "all-powerful dlc race that somehow skips the plot", but nightmares exist.

>>560103451
vitiligo, pronouns, wheelchair accessible dungeons

>>560104747
I don't really feel like i've seen half of these in a lot of fantasy settings. But I was more talking about enemies to turn into monster girls.

>>560103748
>Owlbears and Mind Flayers
I don't think that counts since they're mostly just a DnD thing.

>>560104747
>whig historiography
I can't say I'm familiar with whatever this is in the slightest.

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>>560103179
>>560103447
>>560103858
That is this thing's backstory.

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>>560103748
>We have some monsters that are Lich like, but nothing about a undead with a phylactery.
I think this is the closest you're getting, since she has a plot device akin in function to a phylactery.

>>560107663
Clearly has a war scythe as their weapon. Uses scythe attacks in their boss battle. Trait has them be specialized in scalpels instead.
For what raisins TrTr?

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>>560090612
I have about as many complaints as praises for it but the praises win however slightly.
Though most of the complaints are due to the durability system and the sparse map. I guess they help nail this whole ''post-disaster'' setting but it takes me hours to get anything done between traveling and the weapons breaking.
TOTK did reduce this stress but it's still a chore.

>>560108438
I liked her in BOTW but she was so thoroughly uninteresting in Tears that it soured her for me. the Light dragon stuff was cool but i'm not sure it saved her character for me, especially the lack of weight it had due to Link's lack of expressiveness and how disjointed the plot is.

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>>560108438
I meant the Zelda model, not the empty ass fucking PS2 graphics level nintenslop everyone praises like it's revolutionary

>>560106684
>masked woman
Humina humina awoooooga

>>560109014
She is actually really cute when she gets unmasked, and I can see why murderwhore Kana hangs out with her even if she is kind of annoying.

Given all of the delphinus and xelvy designs, I wonder if angels have more bad designs relative to the total amount compared to monsters. Like surely monsters have more total but I wonder if that's just because there's more monster designs

>>560108920
For me it's Spirit Tracks Zelda. She has one of the best chemistries with Link.
Ironic considering she is most alive and active in the game she is a ghost.

>>560110196
To be fair, being a good zelda isn't hard when your competition is her being a non character for 99% of the game in most games

>>560109839
You can only make the same elf with wings over and over again, before it becomes copy paste.
It also is meant to show Ilias being pretty insane, since those fucked up things are her attempt at making new life like her fat sister did, and failing pretty hard.

>>560110347
Aren't a lot of them fairly good at what they do, though? They may look ugly but Wormiel and Eggiel do exactly what they were meant to do.

>>560110471
Eggiel only makes new angels by turning humans(I don't know if she can do the same for monsters) into them, she doesn't have the means of producing angels from scratch. Wormiel is an abomination that highlights Ilias' hypocrisy, and should not exist because of the dangers she can unleash on the world.

>>560110725
Was the point of Eggiel to produce angels from scratch? I'm not even sure Alice can do that given she seemed to use other things like animals, dragons, alves, or the Dimensional Eroder to make the Ancestors. Wormiel seems to largely be a non-threat as well as long as she's not told about the eroder and I'm not sure why illias would. It's still hypocritical but at least she keeps her version on a tight leash at the very least.

>>560110985
Ilias sees them as failures because they are ugly, and not meant to be ugly. Ilias likes aesthetic pleasing creations, and when she made things for things like insect regulation, they turned out hideous because of the material she needed to use. Her recreation plan was a failure from the get go because the squid humans aren't pretty.

>>560111315
Oh yeah no I know that part, but at the very least they're functional and do what they're meant to do is what I mean. She may not be creating 10/10 supermodel bombshell women but at least they work and aren't blowing up entire towns (except remina but fuck em I guess) We don't really ever see Alice making monster girls to serve a specific purpose (aside from Hiruko) so I guess we can only speculate how she would've made something like Cubeiel.

>>560111628
Ilias has a line when Eden gets her triple power up, saying it looked like what she always wanted her super form to look like. Meaning the garden form was never supposed to look like a horror show.
She is pretty terrible creator compared to her sister, who can mold her creations to whatever she wanted. Funny enough, the Ancestors seem to have the same problem as Ilias, since their creations are as inconsistent as hers.

>>560111912
>the Ancestors seem to have the same problem as Ilias, since their creations are as inconsistent as hers.
I mean to be fair we don't really know what the progenitor races directly created by the ancestors were, do we? We've seen ancient versions of a lot of monsters but do we know the absolute origin point that the ancestors directly made for something like wolf girls or insect girls? Even then they might've just been made like that on purpose because they were fucking around.

>>560108431
>war scythe
that's not a war scythe bro

>>560111912
>She is pretty terrible creator compared to her sister, who can mold her creations to whatever she wanted.
Unless parenting is involved

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>>560114250
>Unless parenting is involved
Hey, she takes full responsibility.
...by changing none of her ways and not intervening.

>>560116235
She intervened enough to help kill her own daughter again. Truly the best mother.

>>560116235
She should have let Ilias raise her kids if she was that worried being a bad mom. I think the Ancestors would have grown up well under their aunt.

>>560116792
I like to think that in some AU, Fat Alice and Koron killed each other on that mountain. And being a good sister, Ilias decides to raise the remaining 5 Ancestors herself along with Michaela and Lucifina.

>>560117250
Wouldn't they all grow to resent Illias even faster than lucifina and michaela

>>560119069
>"your real mom died trying to kill her first daughter"
Isn't the kind of news that would inspire sympathy for the former

>>560119220
I'm not saying they'd have sympathy for alice, I just feel like they'd probably not like Illias much either, given how she is.

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>>560117250
Purified Ancestors

>>560119296
She only really turned loonie because of her sister's betrayal, the failure of her great plan(whatever that was), and the Holy Monster War.
I think being made the sole ruler of the world before any of that happens would make her into a completely different person than what we got.
We might see the world looking like AW, only the Ancestors hold the positions that their Archangel counterparts had.

>>560119413
>become an angel
>wear less clothing than when a succubus

>>560120401
Angels are holy and pure, and do not need to hide their virtue behind clothing. Covering up is for keeping those vile monster SLUTS from tempting men.

>>560120401
it seems to be the same amount of clothing, really. It's just that her cloak went down to being around her waist instead of shoulders

>>560119413
I suppose if I want to see a corrupted angel, I got Fallen Michaela. If Ilias was to say, killed alongside Angolmois, I think Fat Alice taking Michaela and Lucifina into her care would lead to some rather really poorly behaved kids, especially Lucifina.

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>>560081604
>elves
booooooring

>>560123624
>find only two jokes by this man funny
>turns out one was an edit

>>560126336
He has one joke
>girl (elf, childhoodfriend, etc.) is thirsty, but boy (50% chance of ork or goblin) doesn't want to dick her

>>560126889
my personal issue with baalbudy is i've always found his art kind of ugly. Never got the appeal.

>>560126889
To be fair, I recall some humorous ones that aren't like that, but the grand majority of the drawings he's made are a variation of that joke and they all blur together.
Not sure how much is him being a one-trick pony and how much is fans commissioning it.

>>560126964
I wouldn't call it ugly, just a bit rough.
The appeal is le funny trope subversion.

>>560128147
i'd call something like black souls rough, there's something about baalbudy I just find inherently unappealing. I think it's his faces.

>>560128147
I guess if you only see one and haven't read or played much hentai, he's funnier. His subversion is a stale joke, not just from him, but in a lot of sexual comedy.
>the succubus who fails to seduce
>the elf that has no class and wants to have sex
>the man who looks like he'd be the rapist in a rape or NTR doujin actually doesn't want to have sex
It's the kind of subversion that doesn't feel that subversive anymore. His style feels pretty unique, though. I'm surprised I haven't seen any Baalbuddy clones.

>>560130479
That can't be true. Cumming means you felt pleasure.

Is ExHentai down for anyone else? I tried to read that new MGQ doujin that was translated, but the website is crashing on me.

>>560130479
Alice feels pleasure if Luka gets raped tho

>>560132835
Working on my end. Or at least it opened, I clicked a random thing and that loaded too.

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>>560133429
LIES! SLANDER!!!

>>560133429
The one time we see her watching Luka getting fucked by another woman, she nearly destroyed an entire ecosystem.

>>560134520
B-but muh fanfic non-canon NTR dounjins..!?

>>560134520
In most fox endings (confirmed in Kitsu ending) Alice gets a crystal ball to watch Kitsu fuck Luka every day...

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>>560137115
>mails people a cuck crystal ball
Tamamo's reputation is deserved.

>>560137115
It's okay.
Alice won't have to suffer her NTR fetish for too long, because Paradox makes it clear Ilias is going to wipe out all life in most endings.

>>560137115
I imagined a pixel style gif of cucksnake crying in the backround as the Crystal ball showing Kitsu dominating Luka is on.

>>560137873
She can't without going final form because ancestors and Fat Alice get released and wreck her shit.

>>560137683
Why does tamamo consider Minagi vicious

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>>560138616
That's not how arrows work.

>>560138616
Because that chart is pretty much noncanon now.

>>560138657
I had my glasses off so I didn't realize the one under the arrow. I may be stupid

>>560138616
She is calling Minagi boring.
Minagi thinks Tamamo is the vicious bitch.

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>>560138616

The real question is why does Minagi consider Kanade mentally ill? I don't remember her being notably as retarded as Kanon and Hiruko are

>>560139019
See >>560138692

>>560139057
It doesn't.

>>560138692
Stop trying to claim this when it's not true.

>>560137683
so basically they all hate eachother

>>560139019
Kanade lets her territory decay, while also constantly invades others. All she cares about are slimes, and slime accessories, nothing else.

>slime and slime accessories
kanade of the hill

>>560139226
Maybe if you played the game you wouldn't be this retarded. Bet you also think their initial profiles are canon too.

>>560139329
That's not really mentally ill in the same way that Kanon and Hiruko are, tho. Callous and only cares about her own but that's not really all that schizo by comparison.

>>560139329
>>560139410
I now want a stupid parody KotH OP with Kanada, Erubetie, Lime, and Bunni

Is the chart schizo still mad the pre paradox3 charts and profiles are literally not canon anymore? Mental illness

Going by the chart it always seemed to me like the intention was supposed to be three schizos balanced out by three reasonable ancestors. But in execution it just kind of comes off like two schizos, two reasonable ancestors, and two ancestors who are just kind of there.

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>>560138692
>>560139643
Obsessed schizo
They remain roughly accurate, especially if you just consider the Ancestors as retarded big-talking chuuni behavior.
Gabriella is even foreshadowed.

>>560139019
She doesn't care about any of her subjects, not even her monster girl citizens, the ONLY people she cares about are her fellow slimes. While you can make arguments about her glassing her own city being after it got captured during a war she still focuses on attacking Kanon's forces just as much as AW, her land is in decay because she's preoccupied trying to take over other places instead of building up what she has, and in the final route she has her army try to kill everyone in Grand Noah, even her own civilians who were LOYAL to her and felt confused and betrayed when the slimes went after them, which got them to change sides. She's just not focused on as much as the other two but she's definitely mentally ill.
>>560139414
Maybe you should try playing the game instead.
>buh muh profiles
It's not mutually exclusive. The profiles have explicit references to things that no longer exist or happen while the relationship chart foreshadows a lot of things in the final game (Lucifina, Gabriella being the traitor, Minagi being the only one who could work with her AW City's counterpart by being the reasonable one and tutoring Alma Elma, Trio de Retard being the main source of MW's problems, etc).

>>560139643
You're the only one who seems to be acting mentally ill over this, anon, considering you're poopdickschizoing like there's just one singular anon who's "obsessed" and it's not just multiple people telling you that they don't agree with you.

>>560139881
given he had to trim the fat off the routes for pacing reasons that's probably why.

>>560140023
I know the stuff with Kanade, It just always came off to me as more "totaltarian ruler who only cares about slimes" which has a different vibe to me than the Kanon and Hiruko stuff. Like she's objectively a shit ruler compared to Minagi and Tamamo it just doesn't really feel like she fits in exactly with the other retards either.

>>560140023
The glassing of her city was coordinated, not something that was by chance. If you speak to a monster girl citizen there, she mentions how one of her slime friends told her to run away since something really bad was going to happen to the city.
Kanade made sure to only evacuate the slimes, and was okay sacrificing everything else to trap the AW forces there.
She is quite psychotic, not in a gleeful cruel way like the other two idiots, but the kind of apathy to others kind of way.

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>>560140660
I forgot about or did not recognize that.

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>>560139915
>doesn't say anything about raphaela's other form and other deceitful tricks she does
>doesn't say anything about the archangel's 'unga bunga' retardation
>doesn't say anything about the retard who's on charge of a prison with cannibals
Lies by omission. Noncanon. I will keep shitting on noncanon charts for the foreseeable future, chartschizo. They're just as bad as the profiles.

>>560140023
>no u
Nah fanfiction retards should fuck off. Both profiles and charts are outdated and irrelevant, you'd know this if you played the game.

>>560140505
I think there's a difference between "only cares about slimes" and "actively having your army kill all your own civilians because they aren't slimes so fuck them" and ignoring all the territory she has to just get more territory because she just wants to spite her siblings. She's not a childish gore-fetishist or the actual schizophrenic making meat puppets while suffering an existential crisis, but she's absolutely a mentally ill. It rounds out the mentally ill trio well, to be honest (emotionless sociopath).

Real TrTr died in 2005 and got replaced by a doppleganger, everything after is fanfiction

>>560140919
I mean...
>doesn't say anything about Meat Sabasa
>doesn't say anything about Kanon's Gore Garden
>doesn't say anything about Shikimamo's Totally Legitimate And Not Evil Cyber Paradise
What of it?
The profiles are supposed to reflect the characters' opinions of each other from the information they have, not plot points or concealed information.

>>560141126
The opinions that are based off the character's overall personality, personality which is reflected in their actions?

>>560137683
it's funny to me that Minagi considers Saja "a bit complicated" when she's the ancestor with the least amount of stuff going on

>>560141253
Happens when the chart is non canon.

>>560140996
In theming I suppose that's true. But nuking her own city to deny the enemy doesn't feel nearly as shocking compared to the kind of shit her other sisters do, due to it being at the very least a somewhat practical decision to accomplish a goal compared to the naked sadism of Kanon and Hiruko.

>>560140996
People read her current profile about not eating people anymore thinking it was her finding a conscious, when it was because she didn't want to disappoint her mom.
Same thing with the Lime interaction. It's kind of cute, but Luka isn't going to have a chance to play puru puru with her because he isn't super sticky anthropomorphic gel.

>>560141216
>the 3 retards are considered retards
>Minagi is considered boring
>Saja is considered ineffectual
>Shikimamo is the only one "mismatched"
On the other side
>They mostly consider each other reliable, as they all are, except Gabriella
>the kuudere is quiet, the battletard is boisterous, the twins reflect their personalities, Gabriella is sus, Lucifina is ... and Micaela is as obvlious as Saja in some aspects

>>560141253
Well presumably in canon Saja is actually intelligent and does relevant things.

>>560140215
Heard that one before when one retard was spamming Sequel and replying to himself nonstop.

>>560141585
>>Shikimamo is the only one "mismatched"
I'm not sure if making shikimamo the "vicious one" was ever going to work out in a world where kanon and hiruko exist

>>560141585
>they are retards / boring because they just are ok?????
>archangels are totally reliable but let's ignore they are even more schizophrenic and muderous backstabbers
Reduction ad absurdum is a logical fallacy.

>>560141521
No the profiles were literally propaganda, try actually reading AW Lucifina's profile for example.

>>560140919
>doesn't say anything about the archangel's 'unga bunga' retardation
>Sariela thinks she's oppressive muscle-brain, even if she doesn't hate her, which is absolutely how Uriela gets presented (an oppressive meat-headed retard who isn't fit to rule but is also just more incompetent than actively malicious)
Also >>560141126 is also correct, the relationship chart is focused on their relationships with each other. It doesn't have to foreshadow literally everything to still foreshadow important parts of the narrative, which is what it does. Especially since Raphaela's "other form" is literally completely irrelevant in the final game, it's just shoehorned into the tail end of the magical girl sidequest so it wouldn't go to waste, which is also a good reason why it wouldn't get brought up if it no longer matters in the overall grand scheme of things.
>noncanon
It's not, cope and seethe
>p-play the game!
You're just as retarded and obstinate as the faggot from the last thread that kept trying to insist humans being able to defend themselves made no sense. Shit all you want, but you're wrong, and that's why you're spazzing out.
>>560141594
Okay so you're actually just schizophrenic then and have some kind of ptsd from Sequelfag, got it.

>>560141521
>>560142148
Anon, he's talking about her "current profile" as in the Monsterpedia Entry specifically.

>>560142324
Nah I'm just talking about them in general.
But I mean cmon...
>>560142148
>they are retards / boring because they just are ok?????
They are because that's how they behave.
Imagine the world where someone is like "How do you KNOW those 3 are retarded and Minagi is boring hmmmm??!?!"
And it's like "Because I played the game."

>>560142179
>It doesn't have to foreshadow literally everything to still foreshadow important parts
Yes it does have to foreshadow everything otherwise they come off as deceitful or self-contradicting.

>>560141253
>>560142146
Told you both profiles and charts are nonsense, just as obsoleted and irrelevant.

>>560139915
Michaela sounds like a nice boss to have, even the traitor respects her. I also would try flirting with her like the guys in Iliasville do whenever she leaves the temple.

>>560142572
They're not, at least 5 of them are far from it, you're just projecting.
>>560138791
Which is again nonsensical fanfiction bullshit because >>560141253 >>560142146

>>560143015
Tamamo is a untrustworthy cunt, since she is a the evil schemer. The other Ancestors don't use trickery, and are to the point. Saja even says that the entire MW plan in Judgment route was created by Tamamo, and she regrets following it, and not just try to use brute force to win.

>>560142626
The chart isn't deceitful or contradictory.
>Tamamo is vicious
Play Part 2, or go to her lab where she tried to burn all the evidence for her war crimes.
>Saja is complicated
She is, she's a momma's girl with double standards and gets very little respect from her peers, and she shows herself as being insecure over her position or relationships at points (like reading into Minagi's technique as thinking Minagi is angry with her and wants to kill her, when Minagi is the only one who does respect her, which the chart also aligns with).
>>560143015
I'm sorry that your delusions aren't being rewarded with applause, but that's because you're wrong. Continue to seethe endlessly about it whenever the chart inevitably gets brought up again. The old promotional profiles are a timecapsule that are no longer canonical, sure. The charts hold up far better however, and are perfectly fine.

>>560143302
She can't be untrustworthy when she always does what is right.

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>>560143427
>>560143406
And let us not forget that even chart schizo can't refute things that did make it into the game.

>>560143625
Not even here to argue about charts but don't most people think that this and the lab stuff are dropped plot points? They get pretty much entirely glossed over and basically no screen time in part 3.

>>560143625
Pretty sure people called her bluff here.

>>560143406
>Play Part 2, or go to her lab where she tried to burn all the evidence for her war crimes.
Only applies to angels, she treats humans quite well in Yamatai actually. That's the oppsite of being vicious.
>She is, she's a momma's girl with double standards and gets very little respect from her peers, and she shows herself as being insecure over her position or relationships at points
That's not being complicated at all, Minagi is complicated especially when interacting with Alma, Koron is complicated, even Hiruko is more complicated.
>I'm sorry that your delusions aren't being rewarded with applause, but that's because you're wrong
The irony of someone who spams noncanon charts and calling anyone else delusional. Literally no selfawareness. You're a fanfiction retard, case closed.

>>560143427
>when she always does what is right
Literally just look at >>560143625, she's cruel and sadistic even when she is on your side in MW. She's Tamamo if she never mellowed out or became better which is why the actual Tamamo hates her so much and refuses to merge with her (the feeling is mutual, because MW!Tamamo hates her too).

>>560143934
Play the game and go to her Yamatai next time.

>>560143934
>which is why the actual Tamamo hates her so much and refuses to merge with her
I kinda wish they did because 18 tailed fox sounds cool

>>560143908
>someone who spams noncanon charts
I'm not even the one who posted them you schizophrenic retard, I'm just pointing out you're deluded and projecting more than a movie theater. You're the only one who's fanfictioning here.
>she's not complicated because I say so and I know better than trtr
That's not how canon works.
>She actually is nice
Her own workers mention feeling like they need to run or she'll kill them and she relished in the destruction of human lives she caused. She treats her OWN city nicely because that's where she lives, and Tamamo likes the worship she gets, because she's not mentally ill like the retarded trio are, she's just a vicious bitch.
>>560144106
>p-p-p-play the game!
This again?
You first.

>>560144106
She is only kind to her citizens and kin, not anyone else. The relationship chart is how they see each other, and Tamamo is the trickster who stabs people in the back as her specialty, something that is looked down upon.

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>>560144121
I think it's like the Richter Scale, their fusion would only become a 10-tails which is definitely not due to AI

>>560143625
>"Have you forgotten how many countries I've laid waste to?"
>"Oh yeah? Name ONE."
>"A-ah, etto... Um... F-fear me!! I'm very r-ruthless and cunning..!"

>>560143732
They are dropped, but trtr made sure to make whatever she still did in the lab canon, you just don't get to see the full scope of it. Eden's crew is mostly handling it and then she burned all the evidence.

>>560144451
do we even know what she did in the lab specifically past it just being vaguely bad and involving angels

>>560144280
>I'm not even the one who posted them you schizophrenic retard, I'm just pointing out you're deluded and projecting more than a movie theater. You're the only one who's fanfictioning here.
Defending said fanfiction charts also makes you culpable.
>fanfiction chart retard still calling anyone else delusional
I rest my case.
>Her own workers mention feeling
No they don't, they even like her and she's fine with them even coming to her lab to have fun together.
>>560144317
Again invalid when someone like Kanon exists.
>backstab
You're confusing her with Gabriela.

I still don't get why gabriella betrayed angels when they were winning

>>560144423
Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook
If you've never heard of them, it's because she laid waste to them, of course.

>>560144531
Nope, unless someone can post some proof but most retards here defending noncanon profiles and charts don't play the game.

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>>560144810
>If you've never heard of them, it's because she laid waste to them, of course.
Oh my, how convenient.
You wouldn't have... made those up, would you?

>>560144643
Kanon is a idiot who wouldn't be able to deceive anyone to put their guard down. Tamamo isn't a in your face fighter like her sisters, she is the assassin who stabs you in the back.
I'm not sure why it's hard to see why none of her sisters trust her, when it's a free for all going on in their world before the AW forced them to unite.
>>560144721
She would have been given a chair at the head of the MW government when they won. She would have remained a patsy to Ilias if she stuck with the AW. It was pure greed and pride.

the tamamo files WILL be released with Trtr's 1 million word long novel, trust.

>>560144810
Was Narnia on the list too? Even USA????

>>560145000
Of course not, they used to be propserous monorail towns since I googled the first reference that popped into my head when trying to come up with a few town names.
She was clearly offended by the idea of monorails since there are no mono-tail kitsunes.

>>560145029
Again you're confusing Tamamo with Gabriela
>>560145062
Funny

I genuinely do wonder what kingdoms it was supposed to be that tamamo blew up. It's assumedly not the alves because it was illias and alice who nuked them. Was illias just entirely fine with Tamamo nuking entire human civilizations for the lols or something.

>>560145373
>Was illias just entirely fine with Tamamo nuking entire human civilizations for the lols or something.
It was fantasy india so the world improved
source - it was revealed to me in a dream

>>560144423
>>560145373
The 6 gorillion kingdoms Tamamo laid to ruins...

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>>560144317
I think that guy's just tripling down out of spite at this point because he can't accept being wrong.
>>560144643
>anon still mindlessly spamming schizobabble and crying that anyone else is delusional
I accept your concession.
>No they don't
Play The Game
>>560144531
She performed genetic experimentation on angels, and was also researching chaos. The full extent of it isn't shown, but that much is known and made clear.
>>560144836
Oh, like how you didn't play the game apparently? Nice projection there.

>>560145029
>She would have been given a chair at the head of the MW government when they won.
Yeah but what's the point, MW was a shithole

>>560145373
It most likely happened during the Holy Monster War, since Lucifina also describes herself as a mass murderer who enjoyed killing everyone during the conflict.
As for what kingdoms they were, it was most likely humans. There is very little information on the time period between humans being created, and the Holy Monster War, but humanity is described as being more wide spread, and more culturally diverse in that period than the current one.

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>>560145626
Damn her, she outfoxed us all!

>>560145659
She would betray them after they gave her that seat, and try to take over the whole thing. Gabriella is incredibly selfish and greedy, to her detriment.

>>560145663
I feel like if tamamo was blowing up kingdoms during the great monster wars it feels a lot less special since basically everyone was nuking entire kingdoms at that time, so tamamo boasting about it feels odd.

>>560145236
Tamamo out-foxed Gabriela, that's why she killed the plug first. Tamamo will backstab people but she does it competently and only if she has a reason to. Gabriella just does it constantly without thinking, which is what causes all her problems for her.
>>560145751
She's as cunning as a fox!

>>560145939
Shikimamo vs Marcellus be like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC0fm9r-AV4

>>560145939
Again Tamamo never backstabbed her sisters or Fat Alice, that was Gabriela, don't make shit up
>>560145626
You can't even refute the contradictions in the charts many people already pointed out, stop spamming your headcanon garbage schizo.

>>560145878
She specifically asks Ilias that question about remembering her atrocities, but Ilias would only really know, or care, about her evil shit when they were at war.
The world was split between the two goddesses before the HMW.

>>560145856
Why did AW Ilias make an angel with brain damage and how did no one notice she's retarded

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>>560146157
>Why did AW Ilias make an angel with brain damage and how did no one notice she's retarded
An unintended consequence of mixing in various monster genes

>>560146157
angels are braindamaged by default

>>560146292
not that much, gabriella was like a new low

>>560146079
>you can't even refute the contradictions in the charts many people already pointed out
Lies by omission, I already have plenty of times, you just keep ignoring them and moving on whenever you run out of arguments because you're just shitposting at this point. You're now gonna call Part 3's postgame headcanon? Funny how you immediately move goalposts whenever you're unable to refute something.
>Tamamo never backstabbed her sisters
I never claimed she did, she backstabbed Gabriela (the turncoat) on the Alice Route to kill the plug so she wouldn't leak anything. Which is what I explicitly said. You're just making shit up now.

>>560146281
So pisslias saw this retardation as a good thing? Not a good look...

>>560146613
>>560146157
She tends to do that a lot.

>>560146157
Plants are just cursed
I wonder if ToroToro accidentally used poison ivy as toilet paper as a kid or something, because almost every plant is either absolute evil or stressed out of her mind

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It appears her superiority has led to some controversy.

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>>560146801
But she's also a plant species: Potato.

>>560146531
>I already have plenty of times
No you haven't, you can only make up more headcanon on top of the noncanon charts because they contradict the actual game but you don't know about that since you haven't played the game and instead shit up the thread with more fanfiction garbage, schizo.

>>560146919
>sees fox
>thinks of potato

>>560146801
Why did Tamamo allow someone like the 10th and the 13th to nearly fuck up everything? What kind of advisor allows her pupil to drop everything, and just hand her teenage daughter the responsibility to rule monster kind because she was childish?

>>560146919
>>560147276
Reading too much fanfiction in these threads would do that to ya, your brain gets potatofied

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>>560147691
https://pastebin.com/zuHTZ5yN

Let's go back to Alice using the crystal ball to watch Kitsu fuck Luka, while masturbating in frustration.

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>>560147887
https://exhentai.org/g/1591460/c9ad3e2c2a/

>>560146801
>kontroversy

>>560147691
>>560147887
>>560148105
Thanks voreanon!

>>560147529
>nearly
So they didn't fuck up everything, Tamamo protects!

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>>560146958
>since you haven't played the game
Anon.

I literally opened up the game, walked into Postgame Cyber Yamatai, went down to the basement, and talked with the Taoist Scorpion Worker to take the screenshot and compile it showing her saying what I said she was saying (planning to run because she's worried Tamamo will kill them after help burn the evidence), just to prove a point to you. Yes, I have played the game. I have beaten it. That is why I have said what I have said, because I actually played the damn game, and read the story and the dialogue from all the NPCs, because I like it.

You were the one who had an autism melty over the charts and shat up the thread in the first place, and you have been melting down over it for hours because people aren't agreeing with you. You attempt to claim any evidence presented from the game is headcanon solely because it just contradicts your own headcanon, and your headcanon is that the writer of the game himself apparently doesn't know his own setting, and even if "Chart says Y" and "Finished Game says Y", you still claim Chart is wrong and fanfiction, despite the two saying the same thing, because you are possessed of a crippling form of mental illness. You've done nothing else but cry headcanon and fanfiction when that's really just been you.

'm beginning to believe you really are genuinely disordered in some way. Either that or this is just a very well done troll/bait attempt. Regardless, you're simply wrong when you try to insist the relationship chart is completely non-reflective of anything in the final game and that it's all propaganda when it's very reflective of how the characters view each other in the final game.

>>560148579
jesus christ stop taking the fucking bait

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>>560148740
tbf that anon's a different more thorough anon arguing and I was the one who posted the charts.
I engaged a little bit then let it be, this schizo has done all this before.
I only even posted the chart first to riff on her being a vicious bitch over the cuck crystal ball.

Here, have the neck-reattached Saki fix.

>>560148579
Skipping the entire game is not "playing it"
>Regardless, you're simply wrong when you try to insist the relationship chart is completely non-reflective of anything in the final game and that it's all propaganda when it's very reflective of how the characters view each other in the final game.
Sorry but multiple posters exposed the chart's contradictions and you refused to refute them, only posting 'uh u stupid / dey be stupid / boring because they just are ok?'
>>560148740
Take your fanfiction enabling buddy to other generals not here.

>>560148740
>>560149223
You're both right, I probably shouldn't have indulged it this long, someone who deliberately ignores in-game dialogue and plot progression clearly doesn't believe anything they're saying and is just shitposting to shitpost and stir up the thread for their own amusement. I just wish the general wasn't filled with this kind of stupidity.
>>560149291
I actively refuted those, and then you ignored them to move on to other things and now you're just pretending like I didn't even say anything. And now you're gonna try and claim I didn't even play the game when I provided evidence I went to the very end? Maybe you should be the one to leave, you disingenuous faggot. Go take your "fanfiction" shitposting somewhere else. Fuck off.

>>560149771
>I actively refuted those
No you didn't, every single time it was just what I said here >>560149291
>Go take your "fanfiction" shitposting somewhere else. Fuck off.
The irony,

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>relationship chart only calls Tamamo a "vicious bitch" when Kanon exists
>Saja is a "super duper deep and complicated ancestor" when Hiruko (or even Minagi with the Alma arc) exists
>Kanade is apparently just as 'ebil' as Kanon
Totally trustworthy charts btw!

I wish there were 4x or grand strategy games with monster girls

>>560149959
>every single time it was just what I said here
No it wasn't, that's literally what you have been doing this entire time. It's all mindless poopdickschizo "p-p-p-play the game retard!" babble.
>The irony
You bitching about canon being fanfiction and then demanding everyone who doesn't pat your ass to leave is ironic yes.
>>560150179
>Kanade is mentally ill
She's an emotionless sociopath who had her army kill her own civilians in the chaos route for the crime of not being slimes when they thought her forces had come to rescue or help them, also even in the MW >>560140660 she actively warned only the slimes to leave Grand Noah ahead of time and planned the destruction of it out, and was perfectly happy to have every other citizen of hers except for the slimes be killed, when she could have easily warned all of them to leave.
>Saja is complicated
She's in a very troublesome position and recieves very little respect from her peers, the only one who does respect her, Minagi (which the chart also says) she now thinks hates her due to her reading too deeply into what Minagi says when she drives off Koron, and she has very complicated feelings on the issues at hand regarding how they have to save the world. One character being complicated does not preclude others from also being complicated.
>Tamamo is called a vicious bitch
>Kanon is called mentally ill
These are true. Kanon is mentally ill and very stupid, and was throwing those lavish parties because she wanted praise and attention and friends, and for her own childish amusement, not really considering how anyone else thought of it. Tamamo meanwhile is a very sadistic and cruel individual to anyone that she doesn't want to protect, and even her own workers have worries about her, because they can't trust her enough to not think she views them as expendable once they're at the burning files stage.

Play The Game.

I don't care about the charts

man my original comment about Saja was just joking about how the chart was calling her complicated despite being the most boring ancestor how did it come to this bait spiral, lmao.

>>560151513
to be fair you weren't wrong

I am angry.
ANGRY ABOUT CHARTS.

>>560151513
Funny enough, the only one who calls her complicated is Minagi. Everyone else does not give two shits about her, and Tamamo sees her as rival.
People seem to forget that this is what the individual sister thinks of them, and Minagi has a complicated relationship with Saja because of her own inferiority complex, something that Saja doesn't comment on.

>>560144423
>Kotone pretending to be Tamamo

>>560150980
>She's in a very troublesome position and recieves very little respect from her peers
Oh no, what a disaster, meanwhile Hiruko...
>Kanade is mentally ill
You're literally arguing that Kanade is just as 'ebil' as Kanon, this is why I will keep telling you to play the game, when the end of the game proves you wrong. Even Hiruko knows the difference between them, but you don't because you're a retard pretending you played the game.
>These are true
Nope, Kanon is the vicious bitch. Tamamo is a saint compared to her. Wrong again.
>and even her own workers
...are always willing to go to Tamamo personally to spend some time with her.

Stop. Posting. Fanfiction.

>>560151319
Chart schizo is going to call you a shitposter for not caring about his totally not fanfiction charts now

>>560151513
If the relationship charts were accurate we wouldn't be having this discussion but alas.

>>560152464
I mean I don't really see why it matter that much whether or not they're accurate. It's just for fun.

>>560152549
So that retards don't push their headcanon as canon? Like some stupid schizo claiming Heinrich and BA secretly had a baby, or that Minagi is Alma's mother (that was years ago but point stands)

>>560152749
what do fantheories from like a decade ago have to do with this, no one says either of those things anymore.

I don't know what you guys are talking about, but the relationship sharts notwithstanding, Six Ancestors = bad (all of them without exception). There, the discussion is over because I said something true and factual and not wrong and canon which everybody can agree on
You may now take your meds in celebration

>>560152958
Piss stained hands made this post

>>560152958
Minagi is actively a force of good forcing better standards on succubi and improving living conditions. Saja basically never does much anything wrong either.

https://x.com/mimitan_tokage/status/1979527171870974141
Anyone played this game and could tell how it is?

>>560153080
Saja basically never does much*

>>560152930
>like a decade ago
just a few years ago actually

>>560153354
I don't see any mention of a game on their ci-en or dlsite page. From what I can tell, it's an image set that's getting turned into an animation of some kind.

>>560154829
oh

>>560152050
>b-but what about-
Doesn't matter, it's not mutually exclusive
>Kanade is "just as evil" as
Not what I said, I said she's Mentally Ill, which is what the chart calls her, because she is mentally ill. They don't have to be mentally ill in the same way, and the three are mentally ill in different ways (sociopath, narcissist, schizophrenic).
>The game isn't true because my headcanon conflicts with it
MW!Tamamo is not a saint, and Kanon's problems stem from her stupidity, lack of discipline, and desire for her plant subjects to love and praise her to sate her ego without considering how the human population felt, which the game makes pretty clear. Hence why she tries to hang out with all of her minions in the castle and gets upset when they ditch her (except for the miniboss one, who does still like her).

>>560152549
>>560152930
Honestly it's mostly a matter of principle, if something is correct or shown to be reflective in the final product then the adamant insistence that it's not seems kind of ridiculous, especially if you start throwing a fit over it.

Keep in mind it's a relationship chart first and foremost; it's specifically how the Ancestors/Archangels see each other.
So, say, the others don't view Hiruko as "complicated" because none of them have any idea that Hiruko was actually the seventh child of Alice's made with the genetics of an inter-dimensional reality eating abomination to replace Koron, because Alice rewrote all of their memories to hide what happened. Nor do they know about Hiruko's identity issues with trying to find who she really is because she'd never tell any of them that.
All they see her as is just a mentally ill glutton who eats everything around her. So that's how they describe her ("Dumb", "I'll kill her", "I'll kill her", "Sucks at communication", "Mentally Ill"). It's only during the chaos route that MW!Tamamo starts to have a memory with Koron where Hiruko isn't present, and begins to realize that there's something off.

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>>560153080
>and improving living conditions
Once the men in her city can't "work" anymore, they get thrown out on their ass, and it's implied (by the men themselves) that it'll be difficult at best for them to ever even be able to work again, because they don't get much of a say in how much wild shit monster girls do to them.
>actively a force of good
Minagi is pretty much responsible for the existence of Succubus Village in MW. She doesn't even bother properly dealing with the succubi who fall short of her standards, she just lazily throws them out on their ass so that they can cause problems for people somewhere else. And even though her territory is full of powerful succubi who could probably wipe the floor with most of Succubus Village, under the retarded assumption that she couldn't do anything about it herself, Minagi and her crew do basically nothing about it or about the terrible treatment (not in the fun Maso way either) of the slaves they capture and sell. ACTUALLY enforcing better standards is hard and staying inside the walls of your elite gooncave of man-prostitutes is easy.
Also shoutouts to that one time she lost her cool on Raphaela because the ultimate succubus elite can't debate for shit.
>Saja
She isn't responsible for managing any territory, which automatically makes her better at not fucking everything up. I'd even go as far as to say that in some respects, Minagi does even less than Saja does, except Minagi's inaction hurts people more. Like mother like daughter.
Minagi sucks, and she's also shit at anything that isn't having a Dragon Ball-ass shonen manga story arc with Alma Sue

>>560155917
Kanade caring about her people the most doesn't make her mentally ill, the opposite actually.
>MW!Tamamo is not a saint
She pretty much is.

>>560155950
NTA, but only one person in Luka's party realized what Raphaela was trying to pull, and pointed it out. I wouldn't say Minagi isn't competent at debating so much as Raphaela is a world-class master at it, and far outskills her.

>>560155950
Didn't minagi straight up say she had no knowledge of the succubus village stuff and says to eva that if she did know about it she would've stopped her

>>560156137
>crimes that you can't see means no crimes were committed
based
>>560156182
I was just reaching for more things to shit on Minagi more, because fuck Minagi, I'm slowly starting to understand more and more why Ilias had such a hate boner for her

>>560156358
>I was just reaching for more things to shit on Minagi more, because fuck Minagi
she's the least shit ancestor though

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>>560156358
Presumption of innocence is a legal thing, you know.

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>>560156597
Saja is definitely still the least shit in my eyes, even though I don't like snakes. If even Ilias had to struggle to make up some shit about her in a throwaway Evaluation gag, she's probably not the most evil individual in the Monster Realm.
>>560156348
>throw out troublemakers = problem solved
Of course she wouldn't know, because the most basic thing you do when you throw out an entire group of people is to send someone to check on where the hell it is they're going. Like, the slaving was basically being done right out in the open. Literally just a couple doors down there's a whole ass slave market. Nobody was hiding anything, and succubi aren't often smart enough to even try to hide anything anyway. The only explanation for her lack of knowledge on that point is that Minagi sucks and is a fool who doesn't think about fairly obvious possible consequences
>>560156997
According to our expert, Ms. "I" who has chosen to remain anonymous, you forgot the section of angelic law that states plainly that Presumption of Guilt by Way of Being A Scheming Conniving-Ass Dirty Fox is also a completely valid legal standard.

>>560157809
>Saja is definitely still the least shit in my eyes, even though I don't like snakes.
She shills fatlice too much for my taste

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>>560157809
No such thing as angelic law, it's all Law of Chaos from top to bottom.

>>560157809
Ascribing the slaving being done by an entirely seperate party to Minagi feels like such an extreme stretch that it feels like you're outright agenda posting to hate Minagi. Ilias get your ass off of the internet

Wait it's all Chaos?

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>>560158370
All I'm saying is, even the barest sliver of due diligence on Minagi's part, which could have easily been even skimpier than that raggedy-ass towel she wears over herself, could have stopped it before it ever started.
>Ilias get your ass off of the internet
Y-you have the wrong person

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>>560158514
The world itself is Chaos...
You likely have Chaosbots inside you right now...

>>560158370
She should get her ass off the internet and into my lap.

>>560156137
>Kanade caring about her people the most
Anon she killed all of her non-slime monster girl subjects because they weren't slimes, and was going to do it again with her army in the final route, that's sociopathic and extremely mentally ill behavior. Even Kanon cared about her non-plant monster girl civilians more, and held them in more value.
Meanwhile Hiruko's making meat puppets and then trying to reprogram them to become clones of all her subjects she killed and ate but it probably originated from a blend of "oh fuck I ate all my subjects", "oh fuck I ate all my food", her having grown so bored and curious that she decided to see if she could actually achieve it and "oh fuck mom's gonna kill me if she finds out".
Also the only people who view MW!Tamamo as a saint are the people who live in Cyber Yamatai and don't/can't go in the basement.

>>560156751
I found her pretty great in the Ilias route, I enjoyed her a lot there. They even mention in the port town that she actually does defend and help it a lot, and it's only because she has to focus everything on the AW/MW War currently going on that she's not able to help with the pirates at the moment, so she does seem to try and focus on building on and defending what she already has.

>>560157809
It's all the elavator's fault. It told her to do it! It was their idea!

>>560159084
>Even Kanon cared about her non-plant monster girl civilians more
cared is bit of a strong word

>>560159084
You're still arguing Kanade is somehow worse or more mentally ill than Kanon, which is canonically not the case as seen in post game Paradox, again, play the game.

>>560158030
If Saja didn't hold such extreme double-standards in order to support her mom I probably would've liked her more, but at the same time she kinda has to be like that, because that's really all she's got now.
>>560159296
>worse or more
I'm saying she's just as mentally ill, it's just in a different way from the other two in that trio. Not 'worse' or 'more'. Just because Kanon did care about non-plant monster girls more doesn't mean she's somehow better than Kanade when everything Kanon does is just so she can feel entertained and validated with minimal effort her humans were just the supply of party favors.
Kanade only cares about slimes to the detriment of everything else, and didn't even care about killing her own subjects who were loyal to her because of this, but it's specifically because of her emotionless apathy and obsession with her slimes that Kanade also ends up being the one of the three who's most easily dealt with, when she decides she likes the cave more actually and just willingly gives up Grand Noah so she and her slimes can live there once everything settles down.
Meanwhile Kanon (like a proper narc) really just can't understand how things turned out the way they did and the knowledge everyone hates her and even her own plants dumped her to save their reputations has left her cripplingly depressed. The only one who's worse off than her by the end is Gabriela, but, well, that's Gabriela, she's kinda in her own league of egotistical retard.
It's kinda sad that Kanon actually thought they were a team and calls on her for help right not knowing she was already defeated after Gabriela tells you she's probably gonna backstab her next.

>>560160032
>I'm saying she's just as mentally ill,
Still false, I already explained why >>560159296

>>560160032
tbf by a similar metric tamamo should also be a mentally ill sociopath, it's just she's the kind of high functioning one who would kill a random homeless person as opposed to a family member

>>560160397
He's a shitposter who calls any character who's not a Mary Sue mentally ill.

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>>560158514
yes

>>560160532
anon my own post was calling tamamo a high functioning sociopath, which she just is.

ancestor monsters bad

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>>560160032
>>560160397
>>560160532
>>560160993
I think anon is mentally ill and also projecting his mental illness onto cute sexy and perfect 2D girls.

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>>560160201
Anon, I gave you an explanation, you refuse to give one yourself and just insist "p-p-play the game" when I already have played the game. I have to wonder if you even read the post because I even talked about Kanade's postgame stuff in there. You can disagree with me that you don't think she's "mentally ill" but she canonically is, even if she's easier to work around by virtue of her obsession solely being for fellow slimes. She's a sociopath. By definition she's mentally ill.
>>560160397
I mean she's kind of a vicious bitch. She's better than those three, but she's still not good by any definition.
Also while looking up Gal Fox's description to check it turns out that apparently those things frequently gang-rape people in Cyber Yamatai with the Cat Siths, damn man.
>>560160532
When did I call anyone a mary sue?? I've not even said those words in the thread.

>>560159084
Kanon was going to unleash her vore arms on the whole city after Luka escaped from the sewer, and she said she was going to personal execute the plant girls that allowed Luka to break into her art show. Kanon is the worst of the worst here.

>>560161376
Except your explanation is pure headcanon in the face of the game's actual post game canon.
>>560161460
Don't bother he's a schizo who thinks his headcanon is actual game canon.

You know, would the whole "mentally ill" tag be the proper translation? We are looking at a chart that was translated from Japanese, which doesn't always translate well into English.
Can someone who has the JP version of this thing post it?

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Sorry but Kanon will always be the worst and most deranged bitch ancestor, this is canon and objective fact.
Gabriela is also the worst
Anyone who disagrees does so just to shit up the thread with stupid shit. End of story.

>>560161460
>she said she was going to personally execute the plant girls that allowed Luka to break into her art show
Ah, I didn't actually remember that, that's fair then.
Kanade's still mentally ill but Kanon just killing her own subjects for getting duped is pretty shitty. Then again they all fear her, anyway, and just pretend to like her since they're scared she'll kill them if they don't agree with her.
I think she was also going to use the Green Dragon when you beat her before being talked down from it, IIRC it's just because she won't have a city left to rule over though, and not out of any concern for her own people.
>>560161529
It's not. Please stop your schizobabble. The other anon didn't even refute what I said, he just mentioned things about Kanon I had forgotten. Which is fair, it's not like my memory is perfect, but you could've just said those things yourself instead of trying to schizobabble about me like I'm some kind of nebulous boogeyman.

if i had any programing talent or consistent motivation would make a monster girl tomagachi/raising game with the main gimmick being that after the first handful of years she'll evolve into different kinds of monster girls, so if you sent her to a lot of nature magic lessons/working on a farm she could become a plant girl, if she went hunting and did combat a lot she could become a wolf or some other kind of beast girl, high charm and social skills could lead to her become a succ, ect. then you could have races like dragon, lamia, vampire be "prestige" races that you unlock via events either from specific classes/jobs/friends she makes or in adventure mode, and each race would have their own preferences, she'll refuse to eat her vegetables as a beast girl, be spending time past curfew chatting with boys if she's a succ, become a little money gremlin if and start her own meager horde of gold she's earned and trinkets she's accumulated from her childhood, ect.

>>560162046
Stop shitting up the thread already schizo

>>560162054
that last one is as a dragon* race would also have a minor affect on how many skill points she'd get from training, so a plant girl is gonna raise constitutional

>>560162178
natural constitution and nature magic faster while a beast girl would raise strength and phsyical defence faster. dragon would enhance everything a little as a jack of all trades

>>560161376
Gal Fox is sexy
Her teaming up with Cat Siths is even better
Disagree=gay

>>560161945
But her evil is something a human can understand. She allows the only human town on the planet as far as we know, because they pay her insane taxes. Same thing with the Succubus Village. If they didn't pay, she would have ended the whole thing herself since money is the only thing she cares about outside of Grangold.
You can not say the same for Hiruko. Everything she does is inhuman, from her punishment, her rewards, her longing to please her mom. You can maybe get away with treating Kanon as the golden princess she thinks she is, but you can not do the same with the vore monster.

>>560162860
Succubus Village is basically paradise. And Hiruko can't do anything about her affliction.

>>560162123
I have done nothing schizophrenic, you are the one ranting about a nebulous "chartschizo" boogeyman and going on a melty because you couldn't articulate a single point and are incapable of having a discussion with anyone that doesn't agree with you.
You are the only one who has been shitting up this thread, and then you try to turn it around on everyone else like it's not coming out your own ass. Your personal opinions and headcanons are not canonical fact.

>>560162860
The three of them are all terrible people, they are simply terrible people in different ways. One is a psychotic egomaniac, one is a remorseless sociopath, and the other is a schizophrenic and mentally unstable time bomb.
You can handle and deal with them in different ways. Ultimately if you think one is worse than the other that's an opinion, and it's natural to have that because it's a story and people will look at things differently.

>>560161376
>seduce
>that monstrosity
literally how

>>560163054
>Hiruko can't do anything about her affliction
Tell that to all the people she killed. I don't think they really care.
>MW!Succubus Village is paradise
Found Eva.

maybe the real monsters where girls all along

>>560163075
Meanwhile you write walls of headcanon in hopes some retards who never played the game would believe you. The same retard who said Kanade is anywhere near as bad as Kanon.
Again anything you say is just retarded headcanon and shitposting so fuck off, see >>560161945

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+1 Granberia (my wife).
No contribution to...whatever paradox-related discussion is going on up there.

>>560163075
One of the problems really hating on Kanade, is that her actions only happened because of the Chaos crisis. Without chaos tearing her world into oblivion, the world merger, and the 2nd Great Monster War, people living in Grand Noah would be living pretty comfortably.
The crisis did show just how much of a terrible person she was, but her terribleness doesn't really extend outside of a global crisis because she wouldn't have a reason to do it.

>>560163202
There's no Eva there, sure there's a character that looks similar to Eva but that's not her full name and it's not OUR Eva..

>chart defending fanfictiontard thinks kanade is anywhere near as bad as kanon
lmfao

>>560163817
Kanon made Grangold one of the most stable, and safest region in the world during the world merger. Kanade tried to commit a genocide on her own city because muh slimes in the merged world.

next thread we are BANNING paradox as a topic

>>560163539
Play the game

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>>560164526
62studio thread incoming?
Demon in Wonderland got a pretty big postgame update not too long ago.

>>560164460
Kanon didn't do shit and got kicked out and is hated by everyone after the world merger and even Hiruko told her she's stupid.

>chart defending shitposter furiously punching the keyboard making up more walls of headcanon
inbound

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>>560164626
I'd rather not. I've expressed this on multiple occasions.

>>560164871
Prior to kicking her ass out of the place, there are NPCs from other towns/cities that say they are going to Grangold because it's stable, and people there feel safe.
She will fuck everything up when she gets bored again, but you should give her credit for making people want to go to her city slap down in an apocalypse.

>>560165278
Kanon won't be allowed to rule over anything ever again. It's only stable because of Sariela.

What chart?

>>560165626
The non canon ancestor and archangel relationship charts that get posted from time to time by a shitposter >>560137683

>>560163430
I played the game and proved it.
You didn't and haven't.
I explained my arguments in-depth.
You didn't and haven't.
Learn how to have a conversation, and stop postulating like some kind of narc. Your posts with Luka are just cringe inducing.
>>560165079
ok now it's just bait at this point, you're not even trying anymore.
>>560165107
Anon, not everybody is going to know that you've "expressed it on multiple occasions".
>>560165743
>canon*
ftfy

>>560165832
Your headcanon is not 'arguments' sorry. Kanon is the worst and bigger cunt in every single way than every other ancestor, canon and objective fact.

>>560165526
He's referring to the period before that, where Kanon was in charge, and a lot of people felt safe in Grangold. However, the people who had memories from MW!Grangold mention not trusting her, and don't have full confidence in it.

The reason it falls apart for her is because Kanon decided to plan on reopening her garden. That's the reason that Luka's group decide to kick her off and put Sariela back in charge, and it galvanizes the populace since it makes all the people with the MW memories feel vindicated on their hatred for her and plants, which leads to Kanon getting kicked out and a lot of plants in general fleeing to plansect. Had she not done that she might've actually had the respect she wanted, but her inability to change fucked her over. Hiruko and Kanade also repeat their crimes against their own nations as well (trying to eat sabasa again and attacking her own civilians who thought she would help them, respectively) and it leads them getting booted too. Hence them all making Demiurge the second time, and then all three being kingdomless.

It's just that Kanon is the only one of the three who's really, really upset about it. Kanade decides she likes the cave more, and Hiruko just wants to go on that gourmet tour.

>>560166281
>It's just that Kanon is the only one of the three who's really, really upset about it. Kanade decides she likes the cave more, and Hiruko just wants to go on that gourmet tour.
What a fucking piece of shit being upset after what she's done

>>560166035
It's not headcanon. It's actual canon. Because I played the game, and I know.
Sorry.
>Kanon is the worst
your hateboner is blinding you to what the game actually says. The game also tries to make you feel sorry for Kanon, multiple times (whether it succeeded or not isn't relevant, trtr still tried), and she's ultimately described as pitiful by one of her own family members for her inability to understand how her actions led to her current situation.

>>560166507
Your headcanon is still not canon, again sorry. Kanon is still canonically and objectively the worst and all the hatred she gets from everyone is fully deserved.
Your damage control won't change that.

>>560166505
Kanon is literally incapable of comprehending how what she did could have possibly lead to everyone hating her, which is why mentally ill actually suits her as a description, because her complete inability to understand something that should be so simple (eating people as a party trick makes you a fucking asshole) can only be described as pure mental illness.
She doesn't even understand why Luka refuses to trust her during the banquet even when he tells her pointblank.

>>560166720
Truly the worst, but everyone knew that already

>>560166653
Kanon might considered the worst by the player, but in game universe, Kanade and Hiruko are considered worse.
Kanon grace period while she ruled Grangold, and not enacting her worst crimes before Luka stopped her, makes her the least hated of the terrible trio.
Also, Kanon does go back to Grangold, she sees that the city is growing more prosperous outside her control, and it hurts her pride. She even takes pity with Ilias too, saying she understands her feelings now that she is unwanted.

>>560167131
>Kanon might considered the worst by the player, but in game universe, Kanade and Hiruko are considered worse.
Not really, hell even Luka trusts Kanade and Hiruko a bit more
>Also, Kanon does go back to Grangold, she sees that the city is growing more prosperous outside her control, and it hurts her pride.
I am shocked...not, because I knew that already

>>560167378
I was talking about the wider world, and I'm just trying to debunk the idea that Kanon is completely banished from Grangold. She might not rule over it, but no one is stopping her from entering it.

>>560167781
Maybe for community service purposes she will be allowed there. Not sure if Gabriela will ever be freed any time soon either.

>>560164460
>Kanon made Grangold one of the most stable, and safest region in the world
...by leaving.

>>560165107
I donno, I just find it extremely confusing that someone can like Granberia this much and then refuse to play the game that gave her a novel's worth of character development

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>>560168530
I don't need to play a multihundred hour RPG with plot elements and gameplay that would bore me half to death to love Granberia, anon. It's very simple.

>>560168000
Hiruko is allowed in Sabasa. She buys all their food, and the merchants took her money.

>>560168810
Hiruko was smart enough to at least let some men happily drown in bliss forever inside her.

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>>560166653
It's canon, sorry anon, you're wrong.
I don't think many people feel bad for her (I sure don't), but trtr did try to crack out the violins at points.
Canonically she's just a retarded asshole desperate for validation who can't understand how she's an asshole.

Even though Alice I knew the whole time and just refused to tell her "hey, don't eat your subjects if you don't want them to hate you" for years, because she's allergic to responsibility, and trying to dissuade your child from feeding her subjects to her flower collection is morally wrong if it infringes on her free will I guess.
Really if you want to talk about 'the worst' overall I'd go with Fatlice. Even if you really hate Kanon (and you should), objectively Fatlice refusing to intervene and also creating/raising her like this in the first place makes her worse. Kanon canonically can't grasp how she could possibly be an asshole. Fatlice KNOWS what Kanon is doing, thinks it's wrong, and still refused to intervene anyways.
Which got countless humans killed and also made her daughter into a reject unfit for society. All because she couldn't put her tub of icecream down and tell her daughter no.

>>560167131
Hiruko is the one considered the most dangerous in-universe, for very understandable reasons (meat hell), but she also contributes more than any other ancestor or archangel to helping with the calamities (meat giant) and it's kind of hard to blame everything she did on her when she was deliberately created out of an unstable reality-eating horror and then just left in the desert because Fatlice is a very, very bad parent.

>>560169596
>It's canon, sorry anon, you're wrong.
Nope, your headcanon is still not canon, we can repeat this ad infinitum.
>Really if you want to talk about 'the worst' overall I'd go with Fatlice
And between Fatlice and Subilias I'm certain Subilias is worse, so what? This is about ancestors.

SUBSHITLIAS KILLED ALL HARPIES NEVER FORGIVE AND NEVER FORGET THIS INJUSTICE

>>560169827
You're still wrong, it's canon anon, sorry.
Your personal headcanon isn't true. Accept it.
>ancestors
among the ancestors the trio de retarde are tied for worst in-universe, and Hiruko is the one viewed as most dangerous/unstable.
>Subilias is worse
Fair. Honestly it's kinda 50/50. I hate those two a lot. She's definitely the one portrayed as the worst in-universe.

>>560168632
>I don't want to try a game many in the thread like
>but I will complain about it periodically while spamming granberia
I don't mind waifuposting usually, but if you're not gonna play paradox, at least shut up about it.

>>560170238
Nope, your headcanon is still not canon, sorry.
>among the ancestors the trio de retarde are tied for worst in-universe, and Hiruko is the one viewed as most dangerous/unstable.
Nope, Hiruko and Kanade are good girls now and easy to redeem, Kanon would never

>>560170219
Violating zoning laws with their giant tree house? Obstructing honey distribution by sexing up Happiness Village men? Not taking Ilias certified bird flu immunity shots? That calls for a heavenly smiting.

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>>560170497
>Spam
I'm usually at about sub-10 posts a thread, at best.
>Complain periodically
Only EVER when someone tells me to play it, if then. You're a very silly anon.

>>560170531
>hating on tree houses
>hating on honey and sex
>being pro vaxx
sasuga subshitlias faggots
*fixed now

>>560170510
Nope, you're still wrong, your personal headcanon isn't the actual canon, sorry
>hiruko
>good girl
She wants her hunger cured, but it's entirely for self-serving reasons, and not out of any altruistic desire to reform herself. Kanon is also now paying her human employers proper wages and giving them good working conditions and takes offense to the idea she wouldn't compensate them fairly (even if it's justified to believe that). You could make arguments for her just as much as the other two.

>>560170882
Nope, your headcanon is still not canon, sorry.
>She wants her hunger cured, but [headcanon]
Kanon would never reflect like that
>Kanon is also now paying
...for her crimes, and will never be redeemed still