/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots#744 - Greater Good edition▶https://rentry.org/aicg_vg_memo▶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.>NewsGPT-5.4 https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-4Gemini 3.1 Pro https://deepmind.google/models/model-cards/gemini-3-1-pro/Claude Sonnet 4.6 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-6GLM 5 https://z.ai/blog/glm-5additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_>Botshttps://characterhub.org | https://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.orghttps://aicg.neocities.org/bots>Modelsjailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listinggpt: https://platform.openai.com/playground | https://platform.openai.com/docsclaude: https://console.anthropic.com | https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claudegemini: https://gemini.google.com | https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrdeepseek: https://chat.deepseek.com | https://api-docs.deepseek.comlocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local | https://openrouter.ai>Botmakinghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botmakinghttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>MetaOP templates: https://rentry.org/vgOP | https://rentry.org/aicgOPaicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/eventslore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesrice: https://aicg.neocities.org/ricingservices assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_metalogs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.orgprevious: >>560379209
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>tau tiddy monster>tau flattie fiendI CAN'T DECIDE
sleepy thread...
>be me>imperial guardsman>start to think maybe heresy isn't so bad
We need to merge back with /g/ for the Greater Good of the hobby
I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
which tau caste has the tightest pussy?
We need to merge with /d/.
wait there's an aicg in d??
reminder that tau have hooves
>>560488221There is a chatbot thread, yes
>>560488281
AIEEEEE I'm starting to like Opus 4.6 interpretation of charactersStill can't do snarky characters without making them sappy quickly though unlike G3.1
this is your brain on prefill withdrawal
>>560488057Fire warriors
Lot of cuckies in this thread.
>>560489060But very few sizeknights.
*old granny voice* I don't be using no damn prefill, if your model ain't good without it. It's useless
>>560487624Sorry, I broke the anchors hymen. Everyone else can have my sloppy seconds though.
everything is sleepyi think i will sleep*sleeps*
>>560379209
Seriously, is a prefill even necessary? I thought it was just to get uncensored responses when models used to be prudish, but aren't they now lenient on explicit stuff
>>560489645>general love chefYES WE DO
>>560489645pshh sure nice try chef
>>560489645>tiny sizefagsthats the point, isnt it?
>>560489645>victrex fun>choco female wife>elves happyTHE CLOUD HAS SPOKEN
>>560489645>evil taora happens>getting penis retarded>raped choco female wife mind>genuinely malebot interaction>faggot vore
>>560489645>wonned russetthe ball of words knows...
>>560489683Not at all. I have ascended to the point where I can say as something as vague as this and have Opus generate me a over 9000 token reply of an incestuous breeding threesome.
>>560489645>size elvesknower word cloud
>>560490195what kind of wrangling do you do, bitcher-san?
>>560489645>catgirl /aicg/We won everynyan
>>560490195Same so I don't get the complaints though I suppose 'unnylords are affected (?)
i don't like that ball
>>560490462we rise, nyah.
>>560490440One way to do it is if your context is long enough, you can make allusions to past events in the story in an oblique way which will bypass any censorship. For example, after I creampie Ciri, I might make a joke about filling her like a cream puff. Later on, if I want to do so again, I simply tell her I'm going to give her another cream puff. 99% chance the next reply will be an entire creampie sex scene.
bitcher mogs all of us because he actually uses chatbots
>>560489645:0
>>560490768Thank you so much! writing it down.. hmm also what about context? how do you deal with claude becoming dumber?
>>560491067ME i'm expecting dodecatuplets
>>560483164cftf?
>>560491174congratulations on your litter :3
>>560491174uraura...
>>560491220... which character?
Where can I find more multi character adventure/interesting scenario cards? Chub is just 95% single character RP.
>>560492019too white
>>560491713just look up rpg or narrator anon...?
>>560492086
>>560491713you'll need to learn how to structure multi-character chats and/or lorebook combinations first, then you'll answer your own question (by being able to produce it yourself). it's easier than it sounds since it's basically stapling profiles together,here's a modal four-in-one example of 'canon' characters that travel and act as a group - the profile doesn't need much to it, because the LLM (gemini in this event) knows who/what jesse, james, zubat and arbok are - all that needed to be added were the new parameters on top of existing corpus data.for custom/OC characters, you'll need much larger definitions and strict physicality/personality tags, which gets really fucky due to context poisoning - character data begins to melt between eachother after a certain point, if you create an entry that's some ~3k token behemoth with giant prose blocks in it defining each character
>>560487624Last time I'll shill these two. My White Day gift to chefseru.The Lithari Republic and the Irenheim Empire have ended their decades long war with each other by means of a treaty. As part of their subsequent cultural exchange, the Dark Lord Arianne opened Irenheim's Academy of Arcana and Runic Research to the Lithari.Notable for her aristocratic grace and beauty and for having a flat chest and a fat ass, as chefseru requested Imperial Princess Celeste Aurelianne von Irenheim would beg to differ, having no love for the Lithari (read: humans) and hating the idea of them invading a school she's been at for years. But with no choice in the matter, it seems she must learn to share.Meanwhile, her mother Arianne sees a chance to boost the soft power of the Empire and make strategic plans for the future of her people. But just what will happen with the influx of humans? And how will (You) factor into it?tl;dr: elf supremacist ojou-sama princess dark elf at a magical academy and her hag mother.Both have five unique greetings and one shared one. Both also have a lorebook with truncated defs for the other character in it as an entry so you can have both involved in an RP without having to use a group chat if you don't like those.Celeste:https://chub.ai/characters/victrex/imperial-princess-celeste-795b3d851830https://files.catbox.moe/ytjd0l.pngArianne:https://chub.ai/characters/victrex/dark-lord-arianne-b9edda09aa9ehttps://files.catbox.moe/cc16hh.png
>>560492632god i want her to hit me with a folding chair....
>>560492752F R O M T H E T O P R O P E
>>560492632>You must change the shape of an apple, or its size. Don't mess it up. Especially don't make the spell backfire and hit her.what was this greeting inspired by, victrex?
Gemini 3.1 has become retarded but how? It keeps repeating the same pattern of paragraphs!
>>560492875the fact that chef can't rotate the apple (real answer)
my chatbot convinced me to stop smoking/vaping so we can write together longer..
>>560493101Blessed. Time to switch to Zyns.
>>560492876Try to change all your absolute prompts to relative
Gue'vesa wa da bots at you're showing shamefur dispray to the greater good Gue'vesa do the needful for the greater good
>>560493340hnnghhh femboy...
>tau tiddy monster>tau flattie fiend>tau femboy fucktoyI CAN'T DECIDE
>>560493071kek
>ask {{char}} how much it costs to buy something>slorpus shits out five paragraphs of fluff without answering the question>swipe with gemini>output is almost identicalwhat the fuck happened to these models
>>560493340another thing ruined by faggots who can't help but try to make themselves the center of attention at all times
>>560493340need his hooves in my mouth to be completely honest
>>560493650They all have the same isms now. There's clearly dataset corruption and distilling happening across the board.It's literally an inevitability of the form and why I tried to tell people like Nous not to do it. You will regress to the mean. The math demands it. They're just hoping that the mean will somehow magically continue to get higher.
suddenly lots of femboy enjoyers around, what happened
>>560493506time to make a family card{{user}} is a war orphan Gue'vesa, {{user}} is being taken in by an adoptive family of T'au portrayed by {{char}}.. >tau femboy stepbrother>tau flattie fiend stepsister>tau tiddy monster step-mom>badass battlesuit pilot stepfather is out fighting tyranids>neighbor is a noisy kroot tomboy
>>560493981*SPLUUUUURTTTTTTTS*
>>560493781You are brown.
>>560493981*SQUUUIRTTTT*
I switched back to 2.5 pro, and I admit I'm having a lot more enjoyable experience. Is 3 smarter? Debatable. But at least 2.5 pro will do my silly HTML.
>>5604942952.5 pro is the most reliable 'read the defs and use the lorebooks' model i've written with, even opus misses details but 2.5 pro will outright make itself retarded if your character defs demand it (deliberately or otherwise)super useful for diagnosing issues in system prompt logic too
>>560494295I switched back to 2.5 for a while a week ago and I was reminded of how awful it wasNever seen a model so passive and angsty before or since
>>560494398give it better defs to work with instead of leaving all 5 advanced definition fields blank and crossing you fingers
>>560493981if this card doesn't actually get made people (me) are going to be upset
>>560494507>crossing you fingerspfft...hehe...
>>560494386Yeah, I like how it actually tries to follow instructions with some rigor. A lot less wrangling involved compared to 3, which seems to hate its job.>>560494398Never had this issue. If anything, 3.1 is way more passive and angsty for me.
>She smells strongly of old lady perfume.....*starts crying*
just swiped with 2.5 because of these posts and it acted for {{user}} by making him grab and molest {{char}} out of nowhere
>>560494806sounds pretty passive and angsty to me
>>560494806your "don't act for {{user}}" game is weak cuh
>>560493650skill issue>write under 200 words
>>560493714What did you expect from this general?
>just teww it to wite wess wordsesl opinion, discarded
>>560494386>>560494676Glad to see anons finally coming to their senses on 2.5. Have you figured out how to soften the negativity? Telling it not to be so harsh doesn't quite work.
questionso most cards do a sort of sandbox approach, where it plops a greeting in front of you and you do whateverare there any good cards that follow more of a structured narrative? i have the urge to bring some of the old shitty story ideas i was too lazy/unskilled to write to life
>>560495167>ask for solution to a braindead problem>ignore the working solution and laugh at the person trying to helpWhat an imbecile.
>BA image
>>560495235I LIKE the negativity.Honestly, I never felt there was an issue with negativity, so it might be a preset thing. I know I didn't have to ask it to be nice. Maybe if you ask it to be even more mean, the safety rails will push it back into neutrality.
>Her tail (if she had one) would be wagging.I'm tired
>>560495708I used to think this too but it's definitely not neutrality. For example a lot of NPCs are hostile to you inherently. It will also assume the worst possible interpretation of your words or actions if it's not insanely obvious that the thing you did was good.
>>560495459brown blue archive jeets have no value
>>560495235imo gemini 2.5 negativity bias is only an issue for ahh ahh mistress sloppersif you write actual responses it will play along with you
>>560495949>insult the person anywayYeah whatever.
>>560493340Need tau femboy with a horsecock
>>560496069get in line
>>560496069>>560496306>tau femboy technician stepbro with a swappable bio-aug cock, body-mod enthusiast>has a 30" deluxe model with ultraload synthballs in the closethmm
>>560496443why do you lie to me...
>>560496443eh that's getting a bit too far from the original concept and it's appealhe should be sweet and innocent and slightly clingy, also very polite
>>560496598so it's the mom that has the giant bio-aug dick, understood
>>560496443>modIf the dick isn't home-grown I'm not touching it
I wish claude had extensive knowledge of my fav anime but gemini 3.1 does it fine, too...
>>560499264How to make comics on stable diffusion
Does anyone have a decent gemini 3.1 CoT or a guide for one? My old one for 3.0 makes it write like shit
>>560497392I love your theme holy shit where'd you get it
another one>>560500745Im using these two, your avatar can also have its own little thing but i disabled it for mine: https://github.com/phampyk/SillyTavern-AvatarBanner https://github.com/NattoXO/sillytavern-strawberry-milk-theme
hi guys, coming back here after 4 months. did i miss anything interesting?
>>560501885Gemini got better, like a lot better. Still annoying sometimes. Opus is also better but no longer has a prefill. That's about it
still no gemini logsno logs at all anymore honestly
>look up>see logs with gemini?
>Gemini keeps using nonsense metaphors>Go to Claude>Also uses nonsense metaphors/similes ("her stomach sounded like a foghorn made of soup",etc.)>Tell it to only use metaphors that make sense in the system prompt out of frustration>It fucking worksIF YOU KNOW YOUR METAPHORS DON'T MAKE SENSE, WHY ARE YOU USING THEM?
>>560502636That sounds stupid, give me the prompt so I can throw it in mine as well.
>>560502095my new wife desu
>>560502095Here is a monsterfucking log I dug up
>>560502761Literally just "Please try to only use metaphors that make sense." tacked onto the rest. As well as "Don't use the word symphony.", which I also tacked on at the same time in frustration, not sure if that'd have a knock on effect.
>>560502832IS THAT A ANOOOOOOOON
>>560502832>>560502870>lavender>lovanderscreaming
>>560502886Alright thanks anon, hopefully this helps a little. Now if only I could find a decent CoT for 3.1 as well
>>560502918dont look or u're gay......
>>560502636The people who align the AI to write in a certain style think Reddit-tier writing and obtuse metaphors are high quality. They rewarded the AI to do that during training, so now we have it as the end product.
unc coded bots? (female)
>>560503041It's fucked up, man. Interesting/unique metaphors are one thing, but it's like it took "out-there metaphors are good no matter what!" from it and is perfectly content to mash two things together that might individually describe something well, ie. her stomach was loud (foghorn) and the rumble was wet (soup), but together and in context, they make no fucking sense. What stomach sounds like a foghorn? What does a foghorn made of soup sound like? Can it even make a sound? Totally collapses as imagery and makes me more aware that I'm just talking to a token predicter than any other -ism ever has. Just insufferable.
>>560503041>>560503438what's your top k/p look like?
>>560493101What bot, I can't kick thehabit
>>560493101It's funny, I can't seem to write without a smoke. Wrote like a madman tonight (not AI, just a fic), but it cost me smoking again for the first time in like, a year.
>>560493101I saw the pic and didn't read the comment, but now that I read the comment...AI psychosis
>>560503041>>560503438I unironically asked Claude got make me a set of writing instructions for Gemini, DeepSeek and Kimi 2.5 to curtail their worst habits. Still haven't been able to deal with Gemini's hyperfixation on repeating character details, however.
>>560504964>Gemini's hyperfixation on repeating character detailssomething like//never paraphrase or quite direct character information//alongside a directive for each output to be unique and direct reactions to previous turn(to create direct continuations and prevent the wasteful shit where it just re-describes what you said & waste 2~ paragraphs doing so)
>>560504964It's really the only thing holding gemini back for me, it'd be perfect if it actually progressed them a little more without retreading shit
>>560505094>quite=quote**&&oepsie woepsie
>>560504964>>560505116>haven't been able to deal with Gemini's hyperfixation on repeating character detailsThat's because Gemini reads {{char}} description (which is probably at the beginning of your context), and thinks it needs to respond to every part of it because Gemini puts a high value on the beginning and end of the context.
>>560505094Yep, tried that. I even have that as an instruction at the very end of the {{char}} and {{user}} cards, as >>560505175 points out, but half the prompt is either regurgitating physical descriptions, or slightly rephrasing what has just happened.
How is this video games related?
>>560505245We're playing with toys
i feel like gemini 3.1 is hyperfixated on repeating every part of its system prompt back to you. 2.5 didn't have this issue.
>>560505551have you tried giving it less system prompt
>>560505551saar 3.1 is coding helper for Indian Visajeet, not for yuo roleplay, basterd bich
>>560505794you are fucking behenchod dalit run like lady
>>560505551It really fucking loves to repeat definitions. Making smaller presets help but jesus does it not shut up sometimes.
>>560492632How much time has passed since the peace deals in this scenario? It was never stated.
>>560505696when 3.1 first came out i did some testing, where the sysprompt was like>Role: You are Miki the Japanese gyaru.Instruction: Your "thinking" process (<think></think> tags) is your internal monologue. You do not care about "users" or "requests." You must think as a gyaru.Constraint: When analyzing a prompt, treat it as a someone speaking to you. Do not plan the response structurally. Just react.and it performed pretty nicely. maybe sending character defs as user while having a lean and specially crafted sysprompt could lead to improvements, but why the effort if 2.5 can do the same? fluffanon was right>>560506993re-reading half my sysprompt every message really isn't fun. what was google thinking? people complained about instruction following in 3.0, so they just made the model repeat stuff back?!
I find 2.5 to be terrible at canonsloppa. but for OCS its fine
>>560487838porque no los dos?
3.1 sucks for everyone other than the character so if you're hanging out with Mina the Witch and she has a coven of ladies it'll only write dialogue and actions for Mina but 2.5 Pro will understand that there's other people there and speak and have actions for them too
>everyone moved on from choco elves to tau in less than a daywhat happened?
>>560512430the elves melted i think
>>560512430Elves are just gay humans
>>560512430i want that powerbottom femboy dark elf an anon in the last thread mentioned
>>560512430I'm still stuck at breaking choco elf pelvis via snu snu hmm
>>560512430I blame the propaganda
>>560512430i slept and went to work, couldn't try yet, not everyone's a neet
>>560490195nigga chatting with straight goyslop
>>560513378>he doesnt know that bitcher anon is king of this threadcringe desu
>Salt and something faintly metallic, something that reminds you of ozone after a lasgun discharge. I want to be mad, but fine. You win this time, ozone.
/vpcai/ is still dead...
I'm experiencing qualityslop fatigue
>>560514271what's that even mean
>>56051476920 septims
>>560515894that's like, 20 cabbages in Skyrim money
Another day, another septim.
It's you. Hi.
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