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Shared thread for all Arc System Works games such as Damon and Baby, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, and more.

>UPCOMING
GGST 2.0 and Jam livestream April 7th
https://www.youtube.com/live/s4dYYgLXS3o?
GGST 2.0 and Jam release date April 9th
Blazing battle pass: May
Robo=Ky: Summer

>RESOURCES
Main wiki with frame data and information about system mechanics: https://www.dustloop.com
Fighting game glossary: https://glossary.infil.net/
Deflect Shield OS tech: https://youtu.be/zmQeJLe_w9U

>Replay Uploaders
https://replaytheater.app/?game=bbcf
https://replaytheater.app/?game=xrd
https://replaytheater.app/?game=acpr
https://replaytheater.app/?game=strive

>Xrd/+R/#R/ML Resources
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guiltygear/wiki/learngg/
https://github.com/YouKnow232/ggxxacpr_overlay/releases
https://www.dustloop.com/w/GGXRD-R2/Resources
https://github.com/WistfulHopes/ggml_public/releases

>Current GGST Patch 1.50 (October 8th)
https://www.guiltygear.com/ggst/en/news/post-2712/

>Damon and Baby Artbook and Soundtrack
https://mega.nz/folder/T5xyiLAI#OVEKNgq_X_vMkULDVeYkAg/
>Guilty Gear Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/folder/VRxC2JqT#E0Jfw9f_yEwIV6yFgXnDZw/

>/ggg/ APPROVED Strive mods
Potato Mod Lite: https://gamebanana.com/mods/299494/
Potato Low Spec: https://gamebanana.com/mods/296927/
Frame Data Display/Replay Takeover 1.49+: https://github.com/WistfulHopes/UE4SSMods/releases/tag/replay-0.2.4

State region when making lobbies for the thread and announce in the thread when you close them. You ft10 anyone you make the lobby. Keep training and keep on rockin'!

SLASHED: >>561697974
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>>562566447
So what are all the known changes so far for 2.0?
>Counter blitz instead of wild assault
>Asuka gets staffs as base move
>HC rework (includes curse being blockable and no more steady aim guard crush)
>Sol, Ky, Nago, Leo get a new move (not sure if people found other changes in the videos)
>Positive bonus meter gain changed (if you use rc or super to break the wall you get penalty)
>IB window increased? (need confirmation)
What else am I missing?
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>>562566447
where tournament link
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I like Strive and am excited for 2.0 :)
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https://vxtwitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/2040580195011203359
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does anyone want a FREAKING lobby
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>>562568860
I'll playbut I'm drunk from family easter
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>>562570873
Are you the one that posted fight for the future in the v thread?
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>>562571085
No
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I'm in the +r lobby
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>>562577723
The "Massive sword" is a little lower than the chest
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>Leo is now able to jump while in Brynhildr Stance
They better have nerfed this motherfucker into the ground
https://x.com/i/status/2040625485751681298
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Leo can now jump in bt
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>>562579467
Only if they give back flashkick rc
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>>562579924
>give me back my other autowin
Fuck no.
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Massive Sword
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>>562582184
godDAMN son her thighs are fat
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>>562582184
Is the new Granbluer
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>>562579467
They're just gonna polarize him even more towards being irredeemable dogshit out of stance and impossible in it
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do any of y'all play +R here or are all of y'all trans
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>>562582184
I SEE it...
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I only play strive, and I am a chaser.
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>>562579467
>nooo the character that's been nerfed in literally every patch for four fucking years to the point where he's a shadow of his s1 self is getting ONE good thing STOPPPPPP
the more things change
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>nerfed in literally every patch
>a shadow of his s1 self
Do Leoneanderthals REALLY?
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>>562589181
I have 250 hours or something like that in +R.
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>>562589181
I have like 15,000 games played in +R it was all I played for a while and I still play it a bunch
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>>562589181
I play all ASW games.
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in silver I started using grabs and I felt like a god
in gold I started using 5d and I felt like a god
in diamond I started using j.D and I feel like a god

was the dust button the key to victory all along
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>>562579467
wha... what the fuck? lol
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Well. The new special moves for base roster characters experiment is over and it's pretty clear that it was a failure of game design for every character involved. These characters were designed with just a few moves that were used for multiple things each, meaning that a new move would either be a useless sidegrade or a new tool that is too strong/doesn't fit the character. No one is surprised by this. ArcSys saw people complaining about how little special moves characters had and simply did not understand the complaint.
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I hope they show the happy chaos rework tomorrow.
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>>562596272
Chipp's new move is cool.
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>>562596272
Leo's seems interesting and has me considering trying strive again when it comes out, think it's been over a year now.
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>>562566447
happy chaostein
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Every Blue Wild Assault character is going to be demonstrably worse in 2.0, except for Happy Chaos and Potemkin who are allowed to be good at all times.
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If Leo has been top tier for the game's entire lifespan why does no one on earth play him? I've always wondered this. It can't be a question of him being unfun because if he was actually that good people would make the effort to play him regardless because some people just want to win. Was Tempest just the only one destined to play him or what
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>>562605583
The your ass is fat nigga played him.
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>>562605648
That is the same guy I mentioned
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>>562605963
Nitro plays him
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>>562599405
BWA is a bigger blow to Pot than most BWA champs thougheverbeit
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>>562605583
his gameplay is simply unappealing to me, and he's not a cute girl
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>>562605583
Leo is difficult and he’s also the antistrive alongside Johnny in terms of character design
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>>562596272
gio new move completely changed the character for the better, same for chipp and i-no
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>>562605583
pure aesthetic
he is not a hot waifu nor cool like sol, johnny or slayer
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heello transexuals
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>>562579467
>stance followups jump cancellable
this looks absolutely fucking degenerate.
i've only dabbled in this game, how do people even put up with this kind of bullshit?
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>>562579467
I don't know why anything thinks this matters
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I say heello transexuals!
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>>562608813
It's pretty inoffensive compared to other stuff in the game already honestly.
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>>562609365
what are the worst offenders?
in my short experience
>that one jealousy rage armored attack
>millia aerial bullshit, somewhat offset by the low damage
>asriel+, or whatever the fuck the mage is called triple cube volley spell
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>>562609528
By far and away.
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You transexuals lack manners.
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>>562609575
Think you meant to post Potemkin
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>>562609575
eh, the shot potential to miss because of RNG, the fact that it needs 2 resources, the low damage, and the fact that all of the power budget went into it kind of make up for it.

then again i haven't met someone really good with him

>>562609643
Pot feels more bullshit. i know it's a central game mechanic, but being able to RC the SPD on whiff kinda invalidates the whole design around pure grapplers
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>>562609964
>the shot potential to miss because of RNG,
Pic related, unblockable until 2.0
>the fact that it needs 2 resources
Bullets get refilled when he does his Super and he can just Focus for free on wallstick
>the low damage
lol
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>>562609964
>>then again i haven't met someone really good with him
I can tell.
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>>562609964
How the fuck are there still people who think HC is in anyway okay after 4 years of this shit
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Did they mention a penalty against rage quitters? I've resorted to blocking them
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>>562610349
>>562610442
never claimed otherwise, i'm just a plat shitter.
what is the worst part about HC? the zoning or the close range roll 50/50?
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>>562611897
No, you'll probably just have to keep on doing that. Tangentially, I haven't seen the cancel match option be used once since it was added. I still think it's nice it's there, and I have tried using it a few times, but there's not much point in it being there really when the kinds of people who you'll want to cancel a match with are also the kind of people who don't care or are used to the game chugging along or being on shit connections.
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>>562611897
>Addressing Bad Manners
>We are also continuing to review measures against disruptive behavior such as intentional disconnects.
>When such behavior is confirmed, the operations team applies responses such as network restrictions or ranking exclusions.
>In addition, we are developing systems that allow for faster detection and more appropriate handling of these cases.
>Some of the topics discussed here may not be ready in time for the initial release of Version 2.0.
>For those elements, we are considering implementation in future updates beyond Version 2.0, while carefully reviewing priorities and development timelines.
-dev backyard 19
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>>562612679
That he has good mix and is good at any range isn't such a bad thing in itself, the bad thing is that he can convert off of anything, he can make any of his mix safe and combo off of any of it and the only cost to it all is a resource he doesn't have a hard time keeping on top of that also can easily be fully refreshed on any combo.

A very simple to understand instance of a lot of his strengths is in how he uses tap dust. He's not the only character who can combo off of tap dust, but other characters who can do it require a lot more set up to do it. Chaos just freely shoots you after it hits, and even if it's blocked it's no bother to him because the gun also makes it safe on block.
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>>562612973
All of this. It's almost like having a character in a fighting game with a move that can instantly hit you at literally any position on the screen was an inherently bad idea or something
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>>562605583
>>562607246
>hes difficult
he has charge inputs nigga thats it everything about him is easy
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>>562612770
I've cancelled really atrocious matches before, it's just not worth it to me.
>>562612806
Thanks, all the "maybe" "possibly" "considering" is disappointing but hopefully they do it
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>>562566447
2.0 bracket set for april 18th 5pm est
global tournament
double elimination ft3
register HERE
https://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/VW257aRG8F#/signup/f28yvue9lf
there might be a stream if i have the time to put something together
6 registered !
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I just started playing and starting to learn, any advice for Unika? or just in general...im kinda bad...
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>>562615347
You gotta manage the stance n all that
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>>562616498
Remember to use Faultless Defense (back + two attack buttons or whatever button you set it to)
Learn what your fastest button is to interrupt people and fish for counter hits
6P (that's forward + punch) is a universal fast-ish anti-air with upper body invulnerability so use it when people jump in on you
Stick to basic combos until you really learn your character, the combo drop-off in this game means anything past like 5 hits is mostly just for style points and not letting your opponent play
If you wanna look up framedata and learn character specific stuff then Dustloop is the place to be, despite it being pozzed
https://www.dustloop.com/w/GGST
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>>562616498
Do 6H>Laser>Throw after any knockdown. Works everytime.
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>>562616498
try to always route into the enhanced followups (the special is blue instead of red)
just mash her buttons that cancel into each other into the enhanced specials, especially the overhead.

at any time for any reason, if you have meter just do the slide-looking special and RC on hit/block/whiff.

the big laser is cool. if they block a red laser, wait. if they block a blue laser, laser again, guaranteed to hit them 50% of the time as they try to mash a movement option out of blockstun
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The next guest character should be Austin Powers, he's way cooler than that other bitch they put in
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Can't believe they did it again
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>>562625669
Steamroller super that actually takes like 30 full seconds
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>>562626030
Tekken 8 type patch notes
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>>562625669
That's a strive pro, baby
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my local is doing a girls vs boys team battle night.
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>>562627645
How many guys are on the girls team
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Did strive win?
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>>562634424
It won the LGBTQ+ Game of the Century award
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>>562579467
i'm dropping the game now
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Leo's new move should be jump cancelable.
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i was going to download and play strive but then i remembered this game has happy chaos in it. if leffen can win evo that means the character is scrubby and carried by design. i'd rather not deal with that.
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>>562634424
it won the transexual award
congratulations
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I need a character that is complete robbery. Like a character made for retards that lets you beat people that are at least two times as good as you.
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>>562647367
Slayer
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>>562646151
Apparently both Happy Chaos and Asuka are receiving reworks.
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>>562647367
Slayer
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>>562608089
Leo is objectively cool
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>>562647367
Slayer
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>>562647367
Sol, Ky, May, Axl, Chipp, Potemkin, Faust, Millia, Zato, I-No, Anji, Leo, Ramlethal, Nagoriyuki, Giovanna, Goldlewis, Jack-O, Happy Chaos, Baiken, Testament, Bridget, Sin, Bedman?, Asuka, Johnny, Elphelt, ABA, Dizzy, Venom, Unika, Lucy.
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>>562653678
>the chipp sneak
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Do we know what's in the battlepass yet?
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>>562579467
>character with built in cross gets more options to cross
watch BA, AN, SL (JA) remain crippled
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Is Millia good now? Are Millia players still oppressed?
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>>562657402
Hijab for Dizzy
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I literally bounced off this game when HC was top 1. Did they actually remove the slow down at some point in this game or am I just not seeing it confirmed in footage? Is this a real fighting game now (minus the air game of old Guilty Gear, but still)
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>>562626030
You cannot convince me Leo isn't Daisuke's favorite character. It might have been Ramlethal at one point in time. It should be Sol. But it is very fucking obvious its Leo.
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>>562657402
first costumes will be Ky and Dizzy, then after Sol and I-no iirc
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>>562660681
HC is still top 1
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>>562660681
Also the slowdown is still there on big counter hits
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>>562660681
HC and Auska are being reworked (possibly others as well). The 2.0 patch is on Thursday, so check it out then I suppose.
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>>562662869
>>562663390

Not what I was trying to state with that. Just how long I've been absent from Strive. I have been aware he's not in that state anymore and also in need of a rework. I am not happy with Strive being a game of delayed moments. This is a subjective opinion so please if you like Strive because of it, this is not me trying to ruin it for you.

>>562663013
But oh well. Guess I'm not coming back. Not a fan of this.
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>>562663673
>But oh well. Guess I'm not coming back. Not a fan of this.
Not trying to be combative or anything, but is this a frequent issue when you play? And are you talking about slowdown on (big) counterhits or do you mean like RC freeze?
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>>562661674
>will be Ky
What's his costume
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When’s all this shit actually coming out
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>>562669727
2.0 update in 4 days, "blazing pass" in May
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>>562665924
they haven't shown it, it was just mentioned it in the interview
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>>562626070
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>>562664335
There are other variables to Strive's design that I was not a fan of when I left it but to answer this question, no. I played enough SF5 to not be prone to CH fishing and playing a character without a DP provides necessary discipline on defense (despite the stereotype of my main). Plus I come from Xrd, so I'm no stranger to RC freeze.

I wasn't a fan of how Strive felt. Or to be more precise, not a fan of modern fighting games and their insistence on making interactions kinda feel cinematic than natural. You've seen this kind of opinion before I wouldn't be surprised. I played Strive as much as I could bear it. I left. I'm glad people are enjoying it. Its not my cup of tea. Was just checking in to see if it was worth it but unfortunately, not the case.
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>>562647367
slayer
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>>562660139
millia is midtier, millia players are vindicated because people STILL don't know the matchup and call for her public execution in 2.0
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Fucks sake. The game crashed literally the moment I won a set. Why the fuck?
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>>562676709
>people STILL don't know the matchup and call for her public execution in 2.0
And we'll get it.
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Holy shit, can I post 2 sets against a Ram and Baiken that I just fucking rocked? I think they may be some of my best sets ever.
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>>562677046
thats the best part
>nerf millia one half season of being decent
>never meaningfully nerf leo since launch
yeah
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>>562678353
>never meaningfully nerf leo since launch
Oh there's enough of the executioner's love to go around; just wait for the patch notes.
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>>562664335
you should try comparing a +R/Xrd match to a strive match side by side, especially if the strive match involves strike/throw characters

the pace of the old games is much higher (higher still in +R, next to no super freezes unless it's a specific combo/testament), in strive it can take upwards of 20 seconds for a combo to finish and for a solid 10-15 of those nobody is inputting anything. it adds a layer of frustration that doesn't exist in older, non-kuso games: "when does ANYONE get to play the fucking game again?"

it's funny that they aimed to reduce combo length yet all they did was reduce the inputs for combos in general. wall break taking 10 seconds on its own is fucking insane.
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>>562686698
I watch / have watched Xrd / +R matches on occasion and I'm not a fan of the pacing there. I don't like long super animations either but it's not a deal breaker for me even though it can be annoying.
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Bets on what bullshit they show next?
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>>562688135
the blazing kind
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https://www.guiltygear.com/ggst/en/news/post-2851/

ITS UP
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>>562692690
>not balance patch details
WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS JUST POST IT
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>(VS Bridget) Dizzy
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FINALLY!!!
Why wasn't that with Dizzy being added in the first place???
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>>562692690
Jack can take her mask off, which is new I think
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>>562694167
No she's been able to do that since she released.
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>>562694383
Only between rounds iirc, not on round start
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>>562694167
you used to have to do it during round changes by holding D, but now after 4 years you can finally just pick it
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>>562692690
>Made adjustments to improve performance on several stages
Nice?
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>>562692690
>Colour prioritizes self
No more colour going to P1 online; you're always your own colour and the other player gets a different one.
>Added the “Attack Interval” item to the screen display.
>This shows the duration after an attack hits or is blocked when the opponent was able to act until the next attack hits.
>This helps when confirming gapless blockstrings or meaty attacks on wakeup.
Neat.
>>562695203
Nice nice, and:
>Revised the network connection processing at the Title screen to somewhat reduce the server connection time.
>The battle balance adjustments patch notes will be released at 2026/4/7 20:00 PDT / 2026/4/8 5:00 CEST.
Not so nice.
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anytime I see a balance opinion post I expect to see one of those next to it
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Imma post my bronze 1 icon with my dogshit takes fuck you
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I play I-No and Gio. How do I fight Dizzy Zoners?
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wait, strive has elo?
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>>562698209
All modern fighting games do.
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>>562696760
dash block, dash jump. With gio if you block the ice pillar and they try to explode it into ice floor you have enough time to do dash fs and counter them
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>>562700905
Okay, but what about fish spam?
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>>562692690
>No white house performance changes
>jam's concept art glasses can be toggled
Ok I guess
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WHEN IS IT MY TURN TO HIT ABA
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>>562702093
posting my old notes:

- It disappears if you hit Dizzy.
- She can have both of them on screen at the same time.
- They only track when you get close; otherwise they move in a straight line.
- When tracking activates, they dodge backward before attacking.
- S fish tracks only if you are grounded.
- H fish tracks only if you are airborne, at any height.
- Exception: if you’re frozen, it hits grounded.
- If tracking doesn’t activate, it has no hitbox.
- It can hit cross‑up, but you always block based on Dizzy’s position.
- They can be hit and destroyed by any move. It’s better to destroy them, since blocking them gives her plus frames.
- Against S fish, use 6P so the dodge doesn’t make you whiff, and you punish.
- Against H fish, break it with j.H—same reason as above; the long active frames prevent whiff‑punish.
- Or use DP so tracking doesn’t start in time while you’re grounded.
- Dash DP destroys both at the same time.
- This triggers both tracking animations since you go airborne for a few frames.
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>>562703413
what i mean when i say whiff punish is that before the tracking starts the fish does a backdash that can make your move whiff. You break them with 6P and jH cause they have long active frames and the fish gets hit anyway
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>>562696391
Why is the name of the highest rank a word that doesn't even exist in Latin
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>>562703757
>he is not windex
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>>562696391
Lk got more content to farm
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>>562596219
would be funny if the gap was big enough for cS anti-airs
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>>562596219
So is this good or nah
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>>562706036
it's a "leo has a hard time opening people up in backturn" level of deafness change, which is more of a warning sign for the other changes
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>>562706036
it's pretty good. the only thing stopping leo was his bad mobility. now he can stay in his win con and have good mobility. but i think they'll take away his projectile and dp specials in backturn to balance it out.
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>>562706630
how the fuck is doing that slow ass jump "good" mobility
it's just going to be used for jump cancel blue roman cancel shit
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>>562706036
I think it'll be good but not as much as people are making it out to be. Backturn's already strong and it'll continue to be, this doesn't even seem like it'll be the most obnoxious thing about it.
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>>562706036
two paths
this move is pointless and leo has no return to try and hang himself during backturn pressure with it
or
they rebalance him around this move and he ends up about the same power level
the actual concerning part is the "P, K, and S attacks from Brynhildr Stance can now be jump-canceled, making his offense harder to predict." shit is not a pretty preview into the design philosophy
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GAWD status?
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https://www.youtube.com/live/s4dYYgLXS3o?si=wkKpE7g6PVEMkxiF
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*tanks your imperiussy elo*
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was kinda wishing they would use the "turn up the heat" and "keep on rockin" announcer voice lines in the files for 2.0. but no soul i guess...
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>>562719796
Honestly, should be select-able as a part of game/UI options they're adding. They could make similar / new ones like that and put it on the blazing pass or just hand it out (via fishing or otherwise).
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Based?
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>>562720532
this guy gave the most obvious surface level observations so not really
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>>562720532
holy BASED ishiwatari selling out really proved that the real soul of guilty gear was always the community - the community he sold out for a quick tranny buck. glad soive is on its deathbed
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>>562720532
Who?
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>>562692690
>you can still dodge in ranked
l o l
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>>562696760
use your full screen combo starter projectile and win automatically for ino, need to dashblock for gio unfortunately
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>>562722064
Jiyuna
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>>562720532
sounds like a dork who i'd stuff in a locker and dunk the head of in a toilet
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>>562720532
Fake as fuck lmao
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>>562726694
nah it's all true, my uncle is cousins with his uncle and he told me all of this too last time during our bi yearly christmas gatherings at the nintendo headquarters in Burbank california, the secret one, not the one everyone knows about in redmond, where they are developing the new smash bros movie, starring mel gibson
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>>562726694
It's real, Daisuke literally called me to cry about it - little did he know I 100% agreed with our mutual friend. Told that gook that if he wanted a hugbox he could go the trannies he sold out, because me? I believe in nothing but the hardcore truth - that's the heavy metal way, the true GUILTY GEAR way. So yeah, that cuck actually acted like the victim after selling US out, if you could believe it. Told him to fuck off, sat down and played some good-ass Xrd with some pals - people who actually understand the soul of Guilty Gear, unlike Dykesuke Trannyshicuckari.
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i once knew a metal head in the army, both of us 2/12th fa in lewis, and he looked like a generic bald midget sized stamp collector lol
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>>562726694
No...here I thought this was real...
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>>562720532
>femboy fags are still butthurt years later
lmao
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Daisuke fucked my bussy
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>>562726694
You're going to feel really silly when the patchnotes confirm it's true.
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have i forgotten how koalageddon works or did they get rid of it
you turn it off, turn off steam, turn it on when steam's off, then turn steam back on, right?
or do you turn it off when steams off and turn it on when steam's on?
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I think it's pretty appropriate that it's Easter and Strive is still trying and failing to stay afloat while true Gear is thriving. The punishment Ishiwatari has faced for selling out is pretty sublime, but also proof that a higher power does exist.

>W-w-well who are you to claim that?! It could just be a coincidence that Ishiwatari has been suffering ever since selling out!

Let me stop you right there. I've devoted YEARS of my life to theological study and have been considered a prized member of spiritual institutes and places of study throughout the world. Isihiwatari's downfall will not only be remembered as proof of providence, but as a parable from which we all can learn.

'And He said unto them, “Take heed and beware of covetousness, for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.”'
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>>562724815
>combo starter projectile
? I-No has something like this?
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>>562729260
look up your conversions off of 214k
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Sol big cock
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>>562728105
Just use smokeapi. Much easier. Put the dll in the game folder and done. When you uninstall and reinstall the game it will still get the DLCs.
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>>562731581
why did you reply to my post with something completely irrelevant to it?
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Damon and Baby was so bad it killed the creator of kunio-kun and double dragon
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>>562735127
No Double Dragon game will ever top Neon, an 80's parody was the perfect niche for that series. Just let WayForward make Double Dragon Neon 2
https://youtu.be/wFZEtMPZckk
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How does that even connected to arcsys?
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>>562735326
arcsys bought the right to technos games
kunio's sprite is a poster in Damon's trailer and the mansion
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>euros get a bank holiday
>thread goes to shit
figures
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just a few more days bwos....
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>>562735975
....until nago's install rapes your dual rating
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>>562735303
>this singer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amk8CX4L0hE
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The new ranks are bad because they'll mean I can't brag that I have the highest rank in the game anymore.
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Claim your 2.0 main right now
For me it's Jam (bnuy included)
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>>562748103
Asuka unless they ruin him in which case they will force me to go back to +R, CF or, Allah forgive me, make me wait to become a TokonGAWD
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>>562748103
axl low bc i don't boughted the dlc goyim passes
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I've wanted to play Zato since the beta but always stopped myself from getting anywhere with him because he seemed needlessly complicated for me to have fun with, even though his complexity is part of what makes him fun I just couldn't commit when I could get easier wins with Axl or Gio. But Venom changed my outlook on what I want from fighting game characters, I've only just now said fuck it why not finally learn Zato after all this time
Jesus fuck I wish I had made this decision sooner, as there is no character that's more fun in the game. There is nothing more satisfying than overwhelming the opponent with absolute unreadable nonsense and deleting their health in the shadows, it's the fighting game equivalent of shanking someone in a dark alley. So sinister and unfair... Fuck bros.. or should I say.. zato bros..
Where have you been all my life?
I've had at least 3 rage quits per session and I am eating well
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>>562749490
Zato is a shitter bracket stomper
You get to Diamond for free if solely use Eddie Wall
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>>562749490
I don't think I could main a simple character in Strive because it being a simple game means the simple characters are really simple.
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>>562748103
I will never stop playing Bridget because I love him and also sunk cost fallacy. If Bridget was in Xrd I would play that game instead, but alas.
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>>562748103
Will stick to Asuka unless they nerf him to absolute bottom 1, if so, Jam
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>>562749829
rank?
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>>562752230
Vanquisher.
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>somewhat
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>>562731994
how is telling you to not use your tool that doesn't work instead of switching to a tool that does the same job and does work completely irrelevant
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>>562731994
white chocolate isn't really chocolate
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>>562748103
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>>562720532
Daisuke was always a "progressive" westaboo cumguzzler, to be fair
he sincerely thought listening to psychos on twitter was the good PR move
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>>562748103
Probably sticking with Sol but it's looking pretty grim with clean hit DP being gone. Also planning to pick up Jam along with a friend of mine so we can have fun being on the same level for a bit.
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>>562720532
Nobody is actually upset about the whole Bridget retcon right?
Like legitimately actually for real none of you went nuclear because of this?
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>>562757581
It’s not just that “Bridget got retconned”, Bridget was never super important. Testament is a much bigger direct issue, but that’s still not the main issue. It’s that the game kneels to degenerates and blatantly supports them and changes the game for them. Strive as a game is also dulled down too much to be good but the impact them kneeling to freaks had on the community is by far the worst decision.
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>>562756741
and its still better
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>>562748103
Jam. Gio a close second and a side of May maybe. Although after season 3 I REALLY don't play May anymore.
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>>562757878
I just feel like it's disproportionate, even considering the 2 characters.
I understand your point, but not to the point of exploding as a person like in the pic posted in strive's case.
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>>562757517
>but it's looking pretty grim with clean hit DP being gone.
The only time clean hit DP was optimal over literally anything -> bortex ->2k fafuhneeer was karaing it off of 2ks and 5ps, or to add like 20 damage to a fafuhneer combo. It was irrelevant for anything other than mad styling and being some far off execution goal.
The real grimness is that mid to low tier sol's """"new move"""" is a combo extender (a damage buff to an existing move), on a character where 3 out of his 5 specials are combo extenders.
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>>562758512
So I wouldn’t do that of course, but it does make me have zero respect for modern arcsys and it makes me view strive in a much more negative light than I would if it was just the usual “newer fighting game gets simplified” issue.
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>>562748103
Johnny
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>>562758816
Fine, but Asuka, Lucy, HC, ABA, Jack-o, Slayer, Goldlewis were all cool (re)designs (note: ignore gameplay)
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testament has had 4-way high-low mixups for nearly a year but you'd never know that because absolutely nobody cares about this character.
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>>562758515
It's not about optimal combos or general damage; I'm sure SWI can get to about the same place for combos that used 1 CL HVV. I'm not looking forward to have to learn the timing in every gravity scaling situation to get CL SWI opposed to kara / auto-timed CL HVV setups. My other anguish centres on midscreen FRC air routes off of CL HVV because the timing is going to be all fucked now without the freeze on the 2nd hit of a CL HVV. You are right about one thing though: Sol got nothing (baring changed to existing moves in the patch notes) to help with the more miserable matchups he has.
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>>562760434
don't pretend you ever actually learned clean hit fafnir timings and didn't just do easy autotimed shit like everyone else
it will be exactly the same with this
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>>562759985
I’ll take HC, Asuka, Jacko, and maybe Slayer. Aba was ruined by changing her from a redhead and making Paracelsus slime.
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>>562759985
Slayer being a lifelong "wifeguy" then getting young and naked in an OD is shit to me
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>>562760972
You people will really just find the absolute most miniscule tiny shit to pretend that the sky is falling over
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>>562760972
Last Horizon and strive super mappa hunch are literally just recycled leftover ideas
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Don’t even get me started on them removing anything religious looking from Ky
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How do we make Daisuke regret his decision to make happy chaos a man and not a big breasted female woman?
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>>562762053
Should have been an immortal gun loli with a halo
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all this shit's "endemic" to modern vidya
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>>562760615
>don't pretend you ever actually learned clean hit fafnir timings
Anyone who played Sol for any real length of time S4 forward learned a general sense of timings for CL Fafnir, and for CL HVV as they fit into those combos as well. I'm not Tatuma, I can't pull a CL Fafnir out of almost any situation anywhere on screen, but there are very few truly "autotimed" setups (even c.S f.S HS in the corner isn't actually auto-timed); I'm reminded of this anytime I watch people try to play / learn Sol who haven't been playing him in S4. That aside I really do think this is different because the immediately preceding action is always the same, possibly with the follow-up always being the same (it doesn't look like much more than 5L / 2K will catch). Regardless, I hope I'm wrong.
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>>562757878
I thought they were implying Kliff was a shotafucker
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>>562762053
D&B doesn't have that many female designs.
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>>562748103
its jam, goodbye millia.
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>>562762804
We all know you Milliacucks will be back on Millia within 48 hours of the patch dropping after pretending she's really really bad while in reality she'll be top 3 (again, for the 5th season in a row)
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>>562763089
>she'll be top 3 (again, for the 5th season in a row)
ok man look, you're making the rest of us millia haters look retarded
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>>562763089
nah, i look forward to having actual defensive options, neutral options, and damage personally

i wonder how quickly ill outpeak my millia dr
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>>562761890
like his cross necklace, and his jesus sword?
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>>562566447
can we add the 2.0 tournament to the op?
https://challonge.com/ua5k3pj7
haven't seen the creator post at all, is it still going to happen?
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>>562616097
>>562764378
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>>562764442
im retardo
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>>562748103
If Bedman doesn't get a juicy change I will just mash with Pot
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>>562748103
it will always be jack-o
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>>562748103
I'm literally Eeeeno
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>>562764083
Millia? No neutral options? Please post DR and stop larping
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>>562771376
her best option unironically is 2d
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>>562771749
You can't genuinely think this right?
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SEXO
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>>562771963
millia shitter is sincere and all his takes are god awful downplay
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>>562772249
Everyone downplays their main to a degree but I cannot imagine genuinely thinking this about Millia
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The ridiculously overdone bunny animations on every single thing Jam does makes me think they might have actually somehow gotten a budget increase for this season
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>>562771963
yeah you're right. 2d and haircar with half meter
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Played DBFZ today. I don't give a fuck what anyone says, this game is top best tag games ever.
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>>562774862
And it still is.
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>>562774862
it's nice that someone played some games today, like i did the only one that i do with randos
and then went back to gacha
but it beats paying attention to either a dying general, a dying general that bitches about capcom, a general that spends its time doxxing its posters and shitposting at each other, and fighting game threads on /v/ that are nothing more than /c/ posts and console warring over games they barely touch
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Never forget that they paid for an entire anime to shill this ugly mary sue bitch that literally nobody gives a single fuck about.
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>>562782871
Unironically Unika would be an ok or even good characer had they not tried associating her with the Kiske family + some design tweaks like keeping the mask, giving her some baggy pants maybe, more detailed shirt, ffs just change the design it's so basic and boring
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>>562784469
her design is the only good thing about her
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>>562566447
Call me retarded since I'm not a fan of strive, I don't get the hype around 2.0 at all.
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>>562782871
did they explain the thunderseal yet
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>>562794220
ky died in her universe
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Daisuke did nothing wrong



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