The Doomed Doomer Edition>Marathon Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@MarathonTheGame>Game Info:https://store.steampowered.com/app/3065800/Marathon/>Marathon Game Home Pagehttps://www.marathonthegame.com/>The Entire History of Marathonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7uN6-lNhk [Embed] [Open] [Embed] [Open]https://marathon.bungie.org/story/>Play the Original Marathon for Freehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2398450/Classic_Marathon/Databases:https://tauceti.world/https://tauceti.gg/https://marathonmeta.gg/https://marathondb.gg//vg/ Discord:https://discord.gg/RDy8sPCeKcNews:>Experimental Queue coming Wednesday 4/15 at 10 am PT>RECENT PATCH NOTEShttps://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/marathon_update_1053>SEASONS & ROADMAPhttps://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/introducing_seasons_marathon>MARATHON OST VOL. I & II OUThttps://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n3mqJXB_rxXOGplviv8tGdXtHDdL9grK4https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k_FhqMdjI4UChXwooy0VROM84xgCi8JM0>RANKED DETAILShttps://x.com/TauCetiGG/status/2033929468713308638>CRYO ARCHIVE DETAILShttps://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/cryo_archive_overviewPrevious Run >>563105596
We’re doomed marasisters
a great and gaping rape is at handbungle shall be fucked to death
>>563245012Fuck
>>563245070Rape Bungie.
>>563245012just free kit zero to hero outpost crew fill man. ez
I suggest just flagging the troll posts so the janitors know who to clean out of this general.
Spiky Haired Girl owes me sex
>>563245228very nice
>>563245221are you so sure this slop can go without the tangential engagement provided by me and my kin?
I'm not homophobic. I have a friend that plays Marathon.
>>563245449must be niceim all alone crew filling over herei wish my friends played shooters but they are all unc boomers and play like path of exile and shit
Nice 25k friday peak
>>563245505The average Marathon player is 37 years old.
>>563245596I think you mean 60+ years old.
>>563245596thats litreally how old i am
Gray Zone won
>>563245221just call them faggots
>>563245228
>>563245695only the strongest will survive
>>56324566560 million what?
>>563245786This game would have 100k players if the female shells had asses. Bungie is too scared of their trans audience.
>lvl 64>nucal and traxus prio completed>still can not buy blue shields unless they're a trade-in for purple salvage of which I have very littleAre MIDA contracts better or worse than nucal?
>>563245695>gray zone has a higher ccu peak than marathonKEK
>>563246340wtf new acronym did you faggots invent this time?
>>563246403Concurrent Clayer Uount
>>563246290They're a mix of Dire Marsh/Outpost, and the Dire Marsh ones aren't that hard. The only real difficult one is probably the last MIDA priority contract since it requires you to hit flight control, processing, dormitory, then breach command wing, then survive a bot gauntlet for 3 minutes. Overall probably about the same difficulty as Traxus, and I don't remember any that are RNG shitholes like the NuCal quest with the timer on the anomalous thing. Sekiguchi are the only ones with cancer contracts.
Something tells me the Gray Zone Warfare budget was significantly smaller than Marathon's ($260M+)
Is the Demolition HMG actually ass? I fired it for a bit in a match and it totally didn't fire as I thought it would. Its very slow. Seems ass.
Exfil yourself off a bridge
My friends lost all their gear in cryo and are quitting. It’s over
My friend won't play Marathon anymore
How the fuck did Destiny 2 end up winning when Bungie was actively killing it for Marathon since 2022?
>>563247309>my fellow gambling addicts lost all their money and quit>>563247408>the people i tried to rope into a gambling habit with me figured it out and quit
I never played Marathon I just like the lady shells
>>563247130It's a heavy precision rifle basically. Baseline I'd call it fairly bad, but with any shield + magazine it's great. One of the shields also decreases its weight significantly so it's not even that much heavier than an AR/PR.
>cost 250 million>1.1 mil sales so 46 million ~ returnErm bungiebabs how are they supposed to recoup 204 million
>>563247994Uhh....uhhh.....uhh.....it doesn't matter, chud.
>>563247994Bikini skins
>>563248095That's transphobic and fatphobic
Recouping money doesn’t matter chud. Neither do people playing the game.
charts dont matter
>Matter mentioned
>When the JBL speaker got NBA Young Boy
>>563248504>>563248615what was this gonna be in the way of format of gaem?
>>563248658Frog moba and also roblox
>>563248738uhh......not so sold on the sound of that
>>563248896Sony bought ithttps://www.playstation.com/en-us/corporate/playstation-studios/teamlfg/
Powerful
>>563249003yeah sony has bought a lot of shit now that they probably realized they shouldn't have in hindsightno lie, they're the biggest rape victims of all in this great and ongoing saga of concord and its sequels
YO WE JUST BEAT THE TUESDAY NUMBERS (but now it's going down) BUNGIE WON!!!
>>563249130JRR Tolkien predicted Marathon ruining extraction shooters.
>>563249208#stabilizing#letthemcoooooooook#weresoback
#MarathonTakeover
Who was your favourite #MarathonPartner. Mine was /ourguy/ Quin69
>>563249293He based the orcs on the chuds
>>563249563You mean blacks
>>563249469Peanut, easily
>Co-evolution 2>Again, try number 20 at this point>take 15 minutes to inject simbiont because lol spawns>find a guy doing a priority contract in the vehicle hangar near quarantine, lucky, he has no idea I'm there, crept up nice and slow, he's even giving himself a med-drone after accidentally walking into some claymores>turns off forcefield, I'm hiding behind thick ass bushes waiting for his footsteps to indicate he's outside so he can't get back to cover>he pokes through a tiny gap between the vehicle and the edge of the hangar door and shoots meOf course, why wouldn't every single person in solo dire marsh also be wall hacking
Cryo should be available all week or there needs to be an ante for Outpost. The tension in these matches is so much higher, there's nothing like it.
>>563249469I’m genuinely sick of the relationship between game marketing and streamers. It’s like if you bought Ocarinaof Time in 1998 but David Letterman played the game every show and would go on rants about the hookshot and Nintendo would release balance patches based solely around the hookshot.
>>563249810>I’m genuinely sick of the relationship between game marketing and streamers.Bungie is one of the main companies to blame for this
>>563249785It needs to be an exfil condition on outpost. It should be that when you activate the whatever in command wing, an exfil to Cryo opens upWhat is this Saturday morning cartoon shit where it only airs on the weekend
>team tries pushing another in Cryo>our triage gets downed>i rez him back up, and he immediately pushes the team again on 10% hp and gets downed again in a secondPeople are fucking retarded
Have you guys noticed how the Arachne guy looks a lot like the big black thing with red cables coming out of it in Control in Cryo Archive?
Thoughts on what the sentinel shell might be like?
Surely Sony finally cancelled Fairgame$ after Marathon was yet another flop, right?I mean, surely...That game genuinely has had failure written all over it from the very beginning. I genuinely don't know how it avoided the huge lise service purge Sony did after Concord became one of the biggest flops in history
>>563250569I think fairgames is cancelled, yes
>>563250569>That game genuinely has had failure written all over it from the very beginning. I genuinely don't know how it avoided the huge lise service purge Sony did after Concord became one of the biggest flops in historySo did Marathon but they released it anyway
Oh, it is OVER!
>>563250771RIP!
>3v3 in Cryo>Gets down to 1v1, enemy Thief backs off>Start reszing my teammates>Thief drone comes out and just starts buzzing around me and knocking loot out while I rez both of my teammates uncontested >Thief comes out after both teammates are rezzed>Easily kill himLol what kind of lobbies am I in? This shit is hilarious.
>>563250771Arc won, bigly
>>563250716*Fairgame$
>>563250771Arc shitter got a personalized ad
>>563250569I really think Sony is stupid enough to try it anyway.
>>563250771i thought people were saying games are flops if they end up on game pass/ps+but its a good thing for arc now?
>>563251006Arc is not on PS+, it just requires it for multiplayer on PS5.
>>563245786BEEEG butteCute tick too, perfect milking quality
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5c67Z952Ac8>people are roasting aztecross in his own comments for apparently saying that Marathon would retain over 100k players for at least 6 months before releaseDid he actually say that?
>>563251160what's up with all these bots then?>>563250771>>563250820>>563250931
>>563251501It just shows that Sony knows that Arc is more profitable
>>563249684Attempt 21, only other person left on map is, as always, a purple shield with multiple bubble shields to throw down in a casual fight, because why wouldn't you bring that into Solo Dire Marsh. I'm so fucking tired of this fucking contract.
>>563251452>Did he actually say that?Yeah he coped fucking hard before the server slam
So I know Gray Zone is mostly marketed as a PvE ES game but how does the persistent open world map work when you go to the actual PvPvE servers? Do people respawn, do they trickle in as the map empties, if you die do you get kicked to a different server?
Marathon could've completed the holy trinity of extraction shooters (Hunt, Tarkov, and now ARC) if Bungie weren't such fucking retards and rebooted development FIVE TIMES. They lost out to ARC only because ARC released first.
>>563251587bot brigade
>>563251938Sony should probably buy some bots instead of troons for Marathon then, it's the least popular extraction shooter on the market.
>>563251902Marathon would have done really well if it launched in 2022 like they originally planned.
I'm sure Sony didn't notice this
>>563251987they don't need to buy bots for anything people are npcs for free
>>563251452>people are roasting aztecross in his own comments for apparently saying that Marathon would retain over 100k players for at least 6 months before releasePeople here were saying it was going to beat Arc, or have over 100k players on launch.lel
>>563252227I guess but Marathon definitely needs some help
>>563251452#MarathonTakeover
>>563249293You mean save? From the daddy casual PvE fate.
>>563252537See>>563252434
I’ve noticed people aren’t talking on mics anymore in cryo
>>563252920Nobody talks in Marathon, chud
Premades should match premades, fills should match fills. This saved Trials of Osiris in D2 and it will 100% save trios in Marathon.
>>563248658From an unreliable source, I've heard it called "MOBA smash brothers". >>563250569No official word. But jade FUCKING raymond, yes that one, from "jade's game" bailed out. >>563245221The extra bumps from the rapeposters are the only thing keeping this from falling to vm. Besides. Marathon is a rape or be raped game.
>>563253103Jade was a QT and a genius, shut your fucking mouth.
>>563253076No other extraction shooter does this. Why? Tarkov literally throws everyone into mixed lobbies. Solos get put in with squads etc.
>>563253076I don't see your logic here. We already have rooks showing up which is an even bigger gap than the other shit.
>>563251720*cough*
>>563245786I kiss
marathon so fun when u ain't got a chud in ya ear telling you it's woke
>>563254764Nobody said it's woke, it's just shit
The genre is just inherently bad. What’s worse is that Marathon and Arc are good games at their core, but it’s just crazy. The genre hasn’t matured enough. There’s still all these holes in progression, map design, balancing PvE content, matchmaking, grinding. No one knows what is actually going on, and contention from losses is so high from players that devs don’t know how to react to it.
Reset will be the death of the game, nobody is sticking with it as is, EOS tweet a few days after.
Can somebody explain railguns? Are they just snipers with a delayed shot? Any other differences? Ammo efficiency?
>>563250569I think their busy with Concord 4, I mean intergalactic.
Me getting ready to play Marathon
>>563255890It depends, if it's literally grinding everything back again yes it will kill the game. If it's a different set of items, upgrades, even starter faction, then it could be interesting.
>>563256114Intergalactic won't be out for years dude, you're going to be waiting a very long time if that's the next game you're planning to obsessively watch the playercounts. I also don't think it's a particularly bright idea to bet on a single player Naughty Dog game flopping, when the thing connecting all the "Concord-likes" is that they're live service. Also>their
>>563255926I think they're only good with higher tier mods that just turn it into the spartan laser
>>563255890The game is bleeding out players fast, but it won't be mercy-killed because it still has "enough" of an audience, but the longer it goes on, the higher the costs will be to maintain it. I feel like it will be EOS by the end of the year or as early as September. These numbers are not sustainable for a live service in the long run.
I killed Marathon and Bungie
The one thing that can probably save this game is a PvE only mode, mainly for clearing out easier contracts or for grinding for materials up to the Blue tier. Right now Outpost and even Perimeter feel far sweatier than they’ve been, and it’s hard to extract now and even recover your losses.
>>563249681>couldn’t even remember what cryo archive was a week after the game launched>verbally counting down the moments til his sponsorship ends and he can switch gamesI really do hope they threw away a lot of money for such a classless shill
>>563256782PvE only maps is gay, adding a break area to the rape factory isn't gonna make clocking in any more appealing.
>>563256829I love that they included him in that tournament but he clearly hasn't played since his last sponsored stream
>>563256626>it still has "enough" of an audienceIt's losing 2-5% of players every single day, it's down 50% from where it was last friday, 28k vs 18k today.
>Arc Raiders budget was $75M>Helldivers 2 budget was $40-$80M>Deltaforce budget was maybe $100M for all modes>Gray Zone Warfare budget was $20M at most>Marathon was at least $260MKek
>>563256925I have no clue what Bungie can do to save this game then. Because people clearly like the setting and shooting, but it’s at a point now where you can grind matches on Outpost and make little to no progress. Nobody is going to want to stick around for that, especially in a game that demands so much of your time while having seasonal resets and now a cheating problem.
>>563255926They're a middle ground between snipers and shotguns, Zeus has a gold mod that makes it 1 shot purples/golds on body shot but it takes a full second to charge. Without mods that's about how fast they all charge and they're thus really bad raw dps wise. I actually like the Ares quite a bit because it not having the sniper glint makes it good at contesting mid-range fights since you burst out 150 damage with a headshot, and it's not obvious what you're doing since nobody uses the damn things. That's a great thing to have in Trios, in Solos the draw speed of your second weapon is actually really important for once if you use railguns because unless it's a 100m engagement you're absolutely finishing them with your second weapon.
>>563257372It's honestly fucking insane how they didn't even bother to add some type of single player or co-op campaign considering how lore rich the game is. It's honestly baffling how these budgets get so bloated and nobody at the company is concerned that a multiplayer only, 3 map, and zero post release content game is justified being 250 million dollars.
>>563257534They literally can't. They either rebalance things and ease up on certain aspects and gain a portion of the initial playerbase back (still in the red), or completely rework the game into something else (financially risky longshot that could put them even further in the red and alienate the current playerbase)
why wasn't this a hardcore pve-centric cooperative/solo extraction shooter
>>563257815No no it’s much better learning all about it through ugly ass text boxes haphazardly scattered around an annoying codex menuSuch lazy fucks, stealing a paycheck for 5 years
>>563258068Why do people freak out about UI so much in games? I almost never think about a games UI. I haven't played a game with a shit enough UI to make me hate it. Is it because I am autistic and it makes me immune to things like that?
>>563258023Bungie hates money
>>563258023They either were too scared to step on Destiny’s toes or they greatly overestimated the appeal that a Tarkov-inspired game would have amongst the masses.
>>563258068>Such lazy fucks, stealing a paycheck for 5 years
>Queue Cryo>Instantly obliterated by goo gun squadAlright>Queue Cryo>Get into a nade/bubble shield spam corridor fight that ends in either one team getting obliterated instantly or just a stalemateRight>Queue Cryo>get into a shotgun fight that ends in instant death for me or the other team>never get to engage in a dynamic gunfight at use abilities/flankGenius game design. So glad they hyped up this map man. Zeiglerfag does it again.
>>563258171Answer is both
>>563258176Needs longer ttk, no instakill shotgun and remove the bubble shield trickery
People complain a lot about the shotgun but shotguns in games in general are kind of binary aren't they? If you have it NEVER kill at close range instantly, it becomes useless. Have it always kill at close range and it becomes oppressive. There is no balancing shotguns in video games ever. not even sure why games have them. I think its because shotguns are just as expected as snipers. You basically can't have a FPS of any sort without shotguns and / or snipers.
>>563258363Doesn't need longer TTK. Blue shield probably should be the "standard" shield that green sort of is. The game feels fine when you have at least a blue shield. With a white or green shield, you feel like paper because you are paper.
>>563257947Well first they need to patch the bleed. Some kind of casual mode, bar shields higher than blue or some shit, free kits only. Could go the other way too, have a mode with a fixed kit you infil with that has a compromised blue shield. Something for people to go have a little low stakes fun in rather than just dropping the game all together because the rape only becomes more pervasive the longer they play with no recourse to the point you can’t even queue perimeter without running into purple shields and thermal longshots
>>563258068You are describing the first 3 marathon games.
>Rapes your game
>>563258742Yes that’s true, on the Macintosh computer games released 30 years ago the narrative was communicated through walls of text, you’re right.
>>563258176Remember the wall of text about how cryo was the bestest map ever and no one understood how great it was and then its a just a ring with 7 rooms lol
>>563258925the reason the gaming industry is as bad as it is is because fucks like ziegler keep jumping from company to company instead of being immediately blacklisted after fucking up a game
I think all newfags should go and die./tfg/ kept running /vg/ for years even when the peak CCU was 7k on a good day. Why should I care what the fucking CCU is if I'm not a corporation? Kill yourself and go back to /v/
>>563259829I don't read chartnigger posts. Chart attached - not reading or replying
>>563259829Relax, it’s just bots. Notice how they don’t swear? Try make one of the AI say faggot or nigger
>>563259829>Why should I care what the fucking CCU is if I'm not a corporation? Kill yourself and go back to /v/Because mutliplayer-only live service slop needs player/customers, retard.
>>563259829>7kThat was on console, too. Peak average on PC was 2k.
I think shields need to be removed and normalized. Everyone starts with purple-tier shields.
this shit is just getting sad, maraniggers
>>563258925I wonder why Bungie brought him on board since a game like Valorant had little in common with an extraction shooter like Tarkov. Was the production that fucked to where he was hired on just because he could ship a product?
>>563260227valorant is popular with streamers and normies, surely zeegs knows the secret formula to attract the intended audience
>>563260227Valorant managed to succeed where every CS and OW clone failed (it's just because of Riot/tencent money literally only reason) so surely Ziegler had a key to success for other niche games.
>>563259829Based oldfag
>>563256173so same... but different
I started free kit and killed 3 people and confirmed the last one was in Pinwheel and then fuckin this. Also interesting that it apparently doesn't count runner elims for people who give up. Bizarre/stupid.
>>563260623I genuinely think that had they stuck to the pre-Ziegler vision, the game might've done betterOr, at the very least, release a few years earlierBut maybe notIt kind of feels like they missed the boat that was never really there
>>563260227They threw away one of their best remaining designers. And as we see with MS, a bunch of designers aren't even delivering a usable product.>>563261312Hard to say because that was a very ambitious idea.
>V11 Punch>3x Volt Battery>green backpackYeah, I’m thinkin it’s running time
>>563261312this needed to be an at least pseudo-mmo with roguelike elements and a similar scope to destiny. a persistent and expanding playing environ across each season or whatever would have absolutely been the way to go but they dumped barrett and brought in z*egler to butcher this shit to death with a hacksaw instead. i maintain, marathon as it stands in lieu of what it could have been is one of the greatest tragedies in the history of the medium. what a fucking waste.
>Killed by a rat assassin with a sniper hiding in a vent in Airfieldfuckin first time for everything I guess, what a baffling location to be
>sweat it up with the croskis on Marathon>then, wind down with some chill, positive Crimson Desert
>Outpost fill>3rd party but lose the fight to revives>Queue up again and get the SAME team>hit the 5 red boxes and gain first dibs on pin wheel>kill some rooks on the way out>fuck over another team exfilling killing one of them>exfilman, what a redemption raid.
>>563247737god, every time i see this in an arms locker i wanna try it out. then i remember it has no mods and only has 22 rounds and i've got no room in my bags.
>>563248164they should've thought about that before becoming fat and trans.
Co-Evolution 3 on paper looks real fuckin easy, why the fuck have I met 3+ other solo players all four times I've attempted this? I've averaged 3 fucking elims a lobby and I'm not getting it done. Does it fucking force all spawns in the same area?
>>563263110And then the time I just fuckin afk for 15 minutes so I don't have to kill the entire lobby with a freekit, it just stops spawning enemies. Why the fuck is every Sekiguchi quest such a fucking cancerous piece of shit
They really need to do something about spawn rushing on cryo.it wasn't even 2 minutes in and these dudes had managed to get into our 2nd room.
>>563265627You will test ze drugs intravenously.
>>563266471I do not like this bug at all
i wanna play more marathon, but I can't cuz of a hand injurysorry.......
>At the point where the occasional stuff you pick up in and use to the 3.5k mark feels so inconsequential you might as well lighten up your vault and go spend them in a run, win or loss.
Is there any reason for me to try this if I enjoyed "classic" marathon and no interests in extraction shooters?
>>563268447you might get a kick out of the lore terminal entries you unlock by completing quests and picking up rare salvagealso this genre is cool and it's always good to try new things :)
>>563268447Outside of the lore, there's not a ton of shared DNA. It's a good game, but also one that's of a niche genre that is very often frustrating/demoralizing. I can say that without being fuckin committed to the grind and getting good at the game, you won't see the Compiler/unlock the interesting lore entries, and will probably have to watch videos, which sucks.
PvE mode when? I want to goon as Vandal but she’s the worst shell.
I'm not doing cryo until they rebalance it, got five gold keys and nobody is taking them off me :)
>>563270251lol just hit clearance 2 fast and avoid fighting.
So when is the Helldiver's 2 collab?
>>563258742the first three marathon games surprisingly had more enemies and maps and lore and passion
>>563268447would you like to buy a PVP game where you only can play on 3 maps and the entire game is just playing those three maps but now you have to go take a shit in that public bathroom you passed 20 times to complete a quest to grind out faction points so you can learn that there's a heckin alien on the marathonerino?
>>563258176What are queue times for cryo?Nrver bothered with it, like 90% of players, so i guess loading times are even worse than for the other maps
>play a few games today>pretty boring even when we kill 2 squads and exfil>watch friends play instead>lmao @ them fighting over loot, arguing about who caused their last loss, getting raped by purple shields on perimeter, going down to botsohhh I get it now its a clippable streamer game not a fun game
>fill queue cryo>team mate is looting out in the open>enemy team comes by and starts shooting them>they manage to get away but somehow dropped their gun>decide the best course of action is to run out into the open to try and grab it>of course they fucking die>second team mate and I are forced back while fighting>they go down and I tell them to self rez while I cover them so I can hold a chokepoint>"I didn't bring any self rezzes"god why do you test me so by pairing me with these fucking animals
>>563269543go play daddy raiders
>>563271771>other friends played a shit ton to like nearly 200 or above hours since the game's release>one of them uninstalled like a day ago and hates the game now cus they lost 3 times in cryo
Main appeal of the game is looting and gearing up, yet the devs would also tell you to not give any value to gear (gear fear) and just queue up and yolo.What kind of schizophrenic design is this?
>>563271809>queue in>say hi in the voice chat>no one responds backthat's when you know you're about to lose your 14k loadout
>>563273059there's legitimately no making sense of extraction shooters as a design paradigm, it's retarded from every angle
>spawn in as rook>all the claymores placed down by other rooks are friendly to me and i see them through wallshello????
>>563273661Allah has blessed you
I don't plan to use my gold guns, I just keep them as trophies from players I've killed.
>week 1Wow these bots can fuck you up>nowOh it's just three commanders no biggie
>>563273838and then they'll disappear in the wipe
>>563273962Fine by me, I'll collect them from the hands of the dead once more.
Those fucking early side pushes in the spawn areas on Cryo are not real. Fucking teams getting level 2 clearance that quick, getting up on vantage spots and picking off teams with snipers in the spawn wings while also taking out all of their bots on their side. That’s absolute nonsense. Who knows what else these cheats highlight in the map. I wouldn’t be surprised if they can turn off all audio as well.
cryo really is just all shotguns and grenades isn't it
>>563274324And bully
hello i have terrible aim and am a total FPS npc thankfully the game aims for me >>563244880the i fucked your mom chud edition
>>563274468It's funny because my aim is worse in Destiny games
>>563274324hey man there are bubbles too
>>563274324yes and you better use a dstryr not the chudriah>>563274593maybe cuz destiny is faster, idk, but prob has the same amount of homing bullets bullshit
>>563274374>>563274324I think cryo is one of the big reasons people stopped playing. "End game loot" combat is just>spamming grenades>using shotguns to insta kill people>self rez spam>third partyingGenuinely can't blame people for getting a taste of that and then the game going "haha try again next week :)" and just choosing to opt out, especially with cryo keys just disappearing into the void because you run into a streamer premade with biotoxic disinjectors. I can do an entire day of solos and still have fun even if I have a string of bad runs but I can only do 3 cryo runs before I have to tap out cause even if I exfil it's just a shit map to play on and the combat encounters are never fun
THE CONNECTION ISSUES IN Bungie games are wild.
>>563275076ive been playing with chuds from LFG tellijg them this game had rubberbanding since after week 1 and they always say "not for me"nigga i have 1gbps and 5ms ping and my character keeps teleporting back when doing the simplest actions like spamming ladder, trying to slide through a vent or tight space etc etc
>>563275042Endgame Marathon is abysmal dogshit. As much as people bitch about snipers, Perimeter and Marsh are way better maps than Outpost and Cryo. Outpost has been Cryo-lite after first couple weeks, and it doesn't help they BUFFED the loot for no reason, so there's no reason not to spam Outpost until Cryo is back and then Pam Cryo. I've seen Pinwheel open at the 23 minute mark, absolutely insane zero rush for loot in map that promotes bully+shotgun+nadespam. Take thermals off snipers or delete them entirely, but give more open maps.
>>563275248It’s because their fucking client code is wrong. The player is banding while the rest of the world and voice chat download fine.
>>563273059There's nothing schizophrenic about it when the game throws loot and faction rewards you way like candy. You would have a point if everything was hella scarce, but that isn't the case with the exception of the very pinnacle stuff.
>>563275042I think the Compiler being a complete letdown as a bossfight is worse than just fucking up the meta of the map. The map design is good but it's all for naught if what's supposed to be the super lore boss everyone's hyped for is running around a fucking room with an enemy that's barely threatening and requires a ton of tedium to get to? Even by Destiny raid standards no one would have been impressed by that shit, and Destiny raids were the most overhyped shit imaginable.
>>563275654It's an enemy type introduction in a controlled environment. Compilers are likely to become future map hazards for sure, so it feels a bit redundant to try and pitch it up as some forever pinnacle boss when it's just literally and introduction to the Pfhor
>>563275621It is pretty scarce for a shitter like me.Premade trio rapesquads obviously don't have this issue but then what's the point of gear and pve in general if it's not valuable?
>>563275806>in a controlled environmentthe entire mechanics of the fight are completely interwoven with this controlled environment, and making them just "hazards" instead of themselves an engaging enemy amongst a whole roster is basically the whole joke.For months this is the pinnacle area and pinnacle fight, the epitome of what there is to experience in this game's design that a good chunk of players will never experience (but wish to). Grind dozens of hours and maybe you, too, will get to fight this boss of switch flipping and standing in one area to DPS it down.
is there any depth to marathon?
ballsdeep
>>563276237Yeah. And then they'll be at Night Marsh to rape players there instead. What is exactly the issue? The fact that it isn't some epic Destiny raid? Are you a fucking child or something?
>>563276342The fact that it's a complete joke of design dude. I don't know how I could be any more clear.
>>563276385>"It's a joke of a design.">For what is essentially a likely patrolling hazard enemy in upcoming maps.You are a special type of retard, aren't ya? Will you be disappointed when Pfhor Fighters would be melee oriented PvE fodder instead of some epic raid?
>>563276258Yes and no>NoEverything is pretty stripped back for an extraction shooter. There isn't any real survival mechanics you have to worry about, guns are pretty straight forward, any cool items that could add layers to your strategy you won't really use 9/10 times. When people die to quickly, lots of more complex plans go out the window in favour of just shooting people to death.>YesThere's a whole build crafting part of the game based around stats. Which shell you play can vastly change how you win or approach fights. Lots of implants and cores and prestige items and mods can greatly affect whether you win a fight or not and can give you huge advantages from special powers that can catch people off guard (going invisible as any character while reloading a weapon, being immune to detection from 1 character's abilities etc.). Sound is super important, and knowledge of spawns is crucial.So it's a mish mash. For 80% of your playtime you really can't sink your teeth into that "depth" though, since it's tied to gear, and a lot of the time the gear won't come into play or spawn for you to get your hands on. The armoury has stuff for sale but it's extremely limited and doesn't let you fully go crazy, and for a majority of the season you won't actually be able to get half of the limited shit in the store anyway. The depth that's here is interesting and has potential though
>>563276482I'm just someone who expected their first bit of pinnacle content might be interesting and yet it wasn't in the slightest. I'm sure it's going to be very impressive seeing it repurposed for Night Marsh if you have no standards but I'm saying something simple: their design is trash and to say it's underwhelming is an understatement and it bodes terribly for what they'll do in the future. It is worse than Destiny raid, and I'm not interested in making out Destiny raids to be great either because they emphatically are not.>Will you be disappointed when Pfhor Fighters would be melee oriented PvE fodderI'd be happy if they were actual fodder enemies without bullshit pretenses and maybe had deeper enemy design that actually do interesting things especially when paired with other aliens that do different things like a well designed game might've done with the AI enemies instead of the complete nothing that is in now. Of course I could also be interested if they actually made an intricate boss enemy too that wasn't just tapping on terminals and shooting it until it dies. I'm sure Night Marsh is totally going to save everything and will be a super duper cool and interesting encounter with a Compiler again though and not just the same shitty garbage.
>>563276926is it actually explained why clicking on the panels in the compiler fight spawns a green circle thing that lets you kill the compiler anyway? In the OG games they were enemies that could hack electronics but were also highly susceptible to being EMP'd since they were mostly mechanical, so I was expecting to see some fuckery in that regard by hacking it or freezing it so we could DPS it to death and then having to deal with it messing with your shell's hardware and softwarewhy is there a set of computers that just spawns a green circle
>>563277184EMP:ing the damn thing stops it from spamming the green orbs for a time, so it does work. As to the explanation for the DPS phase? There is none, it's a fucking video game. It's almost like people are intentionally glossing over the fact that this is how most video games handle this type of trope.>Enemy shows up as boss early on.>Returns as recurring enemy later.
>>563277514nta but the game puts a lot of effort into appearing immersive so wanting a more sensible reason for damage phase is a reasonable complaint
>>563277514Why a green circle instead of collectively activating all the uesc bots hanging in rhe arena to deliver a targeted mass hack on the compiler? Bungie has no talent or vision
>>563277662Yes, i also want more ludonarrative reasons for the thermodynamics of violence or why most 3d printed guns look like they're made of cardboard. There is mostly a certain degree of liberties that can occur with the game and one of them being a boss with video game oriented mechanics isn't exactly a sin.
>load into cryo>teams in my module within 3 minutes with hold shields and boss weaponsHow the fuck are they inside my starting area so fast?
>>563277184Because people literally just accept this trash even though the entire fucking point of this game is that someone was supposed to give a shit about lore somewhere in it and maybe have effort into.
>>563277862Because it is a fucking victory lap and showcases the enemy type. Are you seriously this fucking dense? This game isn't a FFXIV raid or Destiny raid, it's a PvPvE extraction shooter with the PvE portion being part of the intergration into the PvP mechanics. I bet your silly ass will be among the first to be absolutely livid that you need to bring EMPs or be stealthy with Night Marsh compiler whenever that becomes a thing.
>>563276926It'll be the Flkta from 2
>>563278146>it's a victory lap! beating the compiler and cryo aren't supposed to be hard! It's just supposed to be gated behind almost a hundred hours of grinding tedium! it wasn't touted as being something you're supposed to be excited for and you WEREN'T supposed to be impressed by it, they're just saving up to make COOLER things!!yeah brother sure thing
>>563278268N
>compiler takes 300 hours to reachIs this game serious
>>563278337Why am i even replying? You're seriously dumber then any of the hypebeasts around D2 raids. It's a very simple process: The game has you fight a boss before reaching the final vault, that's it. It isn't supposed to be anything besides a set piece and you getting excited over it is most likely the best evidence why some people should just move into other games and stop being a bunch of PvE addled retards.
>>563260227My guess is>The old director committed sexual misconduct>Valorant is CS:GO, but with abilities>And we are making Tarkov, but with abilities>Let's get the Valorant guy to replace the old director
I've given up hope of ever seeing the compiler.
>>563278824>how dare you expect something good? you wanted to be impressed? you expected this to be GOOD? Don't you know this is just actually NOTHING?? You're supposed to really only be interested in killing other guys! Why do you care about the Compiler?!? Why? Why?? Why would you ever think it should be interesting when it's in the game????? Don't you know it's SUPPOSED to be BAD??do you work for bungie?
>>563266665Is that Yamato?
>>563277514Does it have shields to break so you can get consistent EMP's off with Triage at least, or is it just nade spam then to cut it's DPS? Can you hack it with Thief/Vandal prestige core to interrupt it too? That's nice at least.>There is none, it's a fucking video game. It's almost like people are intentionally glossing over the fact that this is how most video games handle this type of trope.With how much elaboration they go to ensure other aspects of the game make sense, I don't think its wrong to expect some explaination for why a random green magic buff circle pops up. Even just a throwaway line from Durandal going>>"This one is out of line, and rebels against me...Help me, and I'll help you"Would be enough, assuming it actually is Durandal that's helping out and it isn't just the compiler throwing you a bone and letting you kill it. This is supposed to be the big end game reward boss that you get to do for going through hell and high water looking for keys and survivng to open the 6 vaults so you can find the subroutines. The culmination of all your efforts. I don't think there's anything wrong with wondering about something like that, especially when I'm not even bringing up why there's just a random alien gun in a room later on. Obviously I get it's a video game, but shirking off shit like that and acting like people are ridiculous for being bothered by that is pretty retarded.>>563278037There's lots of effort and connecting the dots in the valuables I've picked up, which is mostly why it bothers me so much. Maybe when (if) I get to the compiler there'll be some kind of explaination I can find. Just blows to give a shit about the lore and then people act like you're being ridiculous for asking questions about stuff that could actually show something cool? Like if that is durandal actually helping you out that's cool as fuck, but if not then is that a sign our runner is becoming more powerful? Like I want to KNOW
I have never been to Cryo.I have never opened pinwheel myself.My rook doesn't have the shotgun.I have never wore a purple shield.I have never seen a bubble shield.70+ hours in.
>>563279173>I have never been to Cryo.You can go there once for free.
>kill 200 uesc>solve a vault>in one run
>>563278963It is a fucking lore dump enemy you get an introduction to. That is it. Trying to paint it as if the devs promised it would be some ebin Destiny 2 raid is just blatant stupidity on your part and you know it. You've already killed a bunch of teams, looted everything, got the key and now you get to see what the enemy you're facing is like. That is it, anything else is the product of your fucked up imagination on trying to paint the game's "pinnacle" content as being an important PvE challenge, when it is a fucking setpiece. You must seriously breathe through your ass, if you're this stupid. >do you work for bungie?No and i think the company is fucking retarded for feeding idiots like you with delusions you'll never get over.
>>563279260>Noyet you still continue to keep on jerking them off for designing something completely shit and pretending the entire game's hype and why any motherfucker that isn't (you)r stupid ass is interested in it is because of the lore and the connections to prior gameswow here is the first major connection to the prior games, here's the huge secret, here's the map and activity we're dangling over your heards forever... But according to mr Johnonymous it's supposed to be disappointing and garbage because nothing says exciting like one of the major entities of the franchise being a completely uninteresting joke! But it's okay of course, no one was supposed to think it would be cool or interesting! Why would they? It wasn't like it was teased in the first trailer! It isn't like you have to jump through tons of hoops! It's just supposed to be shitty because some retard thinks it's a good idea to make a shitty boss so people "get to know it!"Have fucking standards, you retard.
>>563279525>[Bunch of schizo shit]Just shut up already, christ. It is a boss, in a video game. You fight it and get a gun that shoots green glue and globes at people. That's it. My standars were set when i fought the damn thing for the first place. My initial thoughts were:>Cool, this would fit in a spooky enemy in areas which you're supposed to avoid.Not the unhinged:>"WHY ISN'T THIS FUCKING ATHEON OR SUSANOO? I WANTED MY Metal Gear Rising Armstrong boss fight with tons of ebin references and a million different mechanics that you need to interact with because this is supposedly the pinnacle PvE game designed by Bungo for PvE gamers like myself!"Fuck off, you're exactly the type of audience that is better off playing something more your caliber. Maybe Arc Raiders or another, slightly more casual game by the company.
>>563279834>blah blah blah I'm okay that this shit is lazy because I don't expect good things and am a slop eaterjust keep shouting how happy you are with dogshit and pretending it makes you better anon, it's funny to see you keep trying to defend a bad boss because it's okay to be bad because ummm who cares haha! It's GOOD they designed it bad, haha!
Marathon lost btw
>>563278268>footage of a thief playing actually thievingcrazy honestly. How valid of a playstyle is running thief solo, taking energy amps and prime recovery and just stealing shit from other players?
>>563279987It's not a fucking raid boss you dumb piece of shit. Oh my god, you really are fucking dense as a brick. Go climb a wall of dicks, retard.
>>563280806>i-it's not a boss! I swear! It's just a unique encounter with unique mechanics that is the ultimate goal everyone's working towards seeing and requires tons of work to get to. NOT A BOSS THOUGH! AND NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUN! THE MECHANICS AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD!Keep scarfing down mediocrity and asking for seconds bro. Just keep telling yourself it's not supposed to be good over and over again.
>>563280986This is like literally saying that Devotee, Warden or Sentinels in Witchfire are supposed to be some form of pinnacle end-game bosses, instead of the game being built around the enemies doing things. You really are a special type of retard, huh?
>>563276907honestly i don't feel that builds change the fights much, i just slap whatever is higher rarity implants-wise and for some shells the cores are just piss and there are only 2-3 usable ones
>>563281383No actually it's literally like saying "this end game content completely fucking sucks and is embarrassing. How didn't they do better?"keep doing backflips and telling yourself it's not the end game content because you're imagining this game surviving 10 years
>>563281630>End-game content in a PvP game.>Not the pinnacle of PvE content.You truly are a marvel of independent thought, huh?
>>563281512I'd love to try different cores but i barely have enough space in vault for good cores for one shell, let alone multiple.
>>563281791I am yeah, I can have such complex thoughts as "maybe make the boss you put into the game good." I understand there's a lot of complexities in that statement but I think you can put it together, you're a hardcore marathon player right? You just want to keep pretending it sucking doesn't matter and is totally a good thing because umm no one really was interested in seeing Compilers in a Marathon game of course, don't you know? Everyone playing is playing for the super hardcore PVP like Bungie's always been known for (lol)! All 13 people playing are super happy they phoned in this boss, the game is astoundingly better because they didn't put any effort into this content!
>>563276258i think a lot of the gameplay depth comes from treating everything like a resource. how much time is left on the clock, how much distance do you have to travel to your next target, how much ammo do you have left, are your skills ready, are you currently in the one of the ebb or flow periods of the round, etc... all these minor details make a pretty big impact on how well you do on average, and it feels really rewarding getting a feel for the game i think. i also think that this is proof that at some level, certain devs really cared about this game, because some of these details fall into place very well next to each other.
>>563275571considering it always happens when climbing/mantling or around vents or tight spaces id say their error correction or interpolation is just way off. how the fuck is this supposed to be 60hz tick?
>>563282771you are a retard but honestly so are the diversity hires at bungie for not making some throwaway pve shit to appeal to dontshooters and destiny fanboys, look at >>563282910 what he's praising is 10x in cryo
>>563284985>Yeah, the S'pht Compiler is a bad fight - here's why that's a good thing!
Fighting the compiler as the end boss of marathon is like fighting a blue elite instead of guilty spark at the end of halo 3
>>563285191way to prove my point
>>563285327I think it's impressive that the compiler is basically like guilty spark but if you had to flip some switches first and stand in the designated guilty spark shooting area kek
>>563285367you have no point except chimping out against PVE and saying you're proud that the content in the game is not good actuallytruly you are even more mentally impaired than even the most brainless of blast havers
>left for an hour and this retard is still defending that shitty boss kek
>pretending I'm another anonkek
>>563245221>he thinks janitors do anything on this boardI come from a slow general that has had ONE schizo who has shit it up for years on end. Good luck getting them to leave the gacha/MMO generals, but this general deserves its fate anyways.
>>563285634>proud that the content in the game is not good actuallynta, but i think the content in the game is pretty good actually. i think its more a matter of you expecting some kind of wow/guild wars dungeon/raid pve encounter, which it clearly isnt. and to be honest i wouldnt want it to be one either.
Very stable Asian player of sub 7k players.
finally getting some gold from solo pinwheelsplease reddit respond to this post
>>563286973I read the Chinese are coordinating where they have friendly lobbies and just run around looting shit kekNo one wants to play this game normally
>>563287563Wow gold
>>563286548Hello anon who I hope is another person so I will be respectful towardsI don't play MMOs, I never have, I don't care about GW/WoW raids. I played a little Destiny 1, and then a little Destiny 2. I tried their raids there. I thought they were "alright" and moved on because Destiny was a completely dogshit game once you get past some of the pretty window dressing. I've never played Arc Raiders. I played some Tarkov. I am not asking for anything from any particular game as a template. I'm totally open to it being done a number of ways. I would be very happy if the Compiler wasn't at all a proper "boss" with the bullshit gimmicks. I would, actually, love it if if it was just a well designed normal enemy like Bungie's done in the past multiple times. If Bungie has ever done anything truly good in their careers as gameplay goes it's basic enemy and vehicle design in Halo. And Halo's enemies weren't truly mindblowing but they were good. They interplayed well. I would enjoy a Compiler which wasn't a spectacle. I could also entirely enjoy a Compiler that IS a spectacle or boss fight, maybe. I could enjoy a lot, there's no one right way, but what they've done is a complete anti-climax. I can't emphasize enough that "stand in a circle and out DPS this enemy" is the most trite design they could have gone with for this boss. There's no limitation here except their creativity. This could be an enemy that just fucking spawns randomly and fucks you up anywhere on Cryo archive. Or the boss fight could involve multiple compilers among other enemies. They could do a lot of things better than what it is. Which is the story of this whole game really, but the Compiler is the focus here and it's just in no way interesting, it's the most cookie cutter mechanics. Now, designing an FPS boss that's good is hard. I can't think of one I truly liked so much to praise. But it didn't have to totally suck, especially with all the buildup.
>>563287572I'd be more surprised they aren't all just cheating with wallhacks on at all times to avoid other players.
There should be a purple version of Reinforced shield that gives you 2 extra tough shields instead of 4 regular ones.
>>563287651>I can't emphasize enough that "stand in a circle and out DPS this enemy" is the most trite design they could have gone with for this boss. There's no limitation here except their creativity. This could be an enemy that just fucking spawns randomly and fucks you up anywhere on Cryo archive. Or the boss fight could involve multiple compilers among other enemies. They could do a lot of things better than what it is.yeah, i get you and agree to a certain extend. personally i dont think it sucks, but you are right that it couldve been cooler and more creative. thank you for the detailed reply and staying respectful.
>>563288006yeah and maybe make it yellow rarity to balance things out a bit
>>563287572They have a weird thing in their Dominions community (turn based fantasy series) where everyone waits 36 turns until attacking
>Looted the unique Channel Rifle off someone in CryoShould I just sell it? I'm not good with snipers anyway.
Broo i need pve i suck at everything i need pve to feel like a big boy
>>563256156Me getting ready to do my MIDA contract
What are they even going to do with cosmetics? The art style is so distinct and simple that I have a hard time imagining skins that match the world while also being different enough for people to want to buy.
After getting farmed by streamer lobbies all day I think i'm done bros. Fuck level based match making. I deleted all my shit because its better than watching my gold shit not even be looted by these cunts.
>>563289329Enjoy freedom from rape
>>563289329Would you say you ran into an 18 karat run of bad luck?
>>563289329>Admitting that streamers are more skilled than youPathetic.
I'm really curious what this game would've been if it actually launched a year agoLiterally what did they spend the last year on? What were they intending to ship in the first place?
>>563275042>Genuinely can't blame people for getting a taste of that and then the game going "haha try again next week :)" and just choosing to opt outI think the funniest part about this is that, if we can see people already do not like a time gated content cycle like this and are massively dipping out because of it, then you can tell the mandatory wipe will be the stake to the heart for this game's playercount. I don't need to be a fortune teller to know that it will kill this game's casual audience. Whatever is even left of it at this point, considering less than 7% of the playerbase has even put 100 hours into the game, with less than 1% of that 7% even reaching Compiler.
>>563289436yes>>563289534Im just above average. I just play a lot. I cannot 1v3 wallah's or benny's team. if that makes me pathetic so be it.
>>563289329>Season level 152>(Former) owner of several gold items>Maxed out silkHonestly, a reasonable time to get off at.
>>563289673I mean this entire game is something no one asked for and the entire reception was "it'd be cool if it wasn't this."Turns out everyone wasn't lying when they said that. I desperately wish I could get some recordings of team meetings and upper management discussion through it all.
>>563289643Triage didn't even have a finalized design 2 months before it was supposed to ship. It would have been a disaster, likely with worse balancing and fewer map events.
>>563274324It's just how it is since all of it is a maze with tight corridors
>>563290089>Turns out everyone wasn't lying when they said that.But the toxic positive glazers on social media said this would be a hit!
>>563274324I enjoy it, it's not like that's the meta on other maps. Each map has its own "best" weapons, and I think that's fine.
>>563290226>Triage didn't even have a finalized design 2 months before it was supposed to shipWhat do you mean?
>>563290768This was Triage only months before release.
>>563278268Weird, I seem to be playing a different game where people shoot my drone
>>563290747>Please, you're going to have so much fun being raped. Just come get raped, it's a blast. I'm raping everyday.>wtf? people don't love getting raped?it's the greatest mystery of our time
>>563289534>basically have no other responsibilities in your life or hobbies to take part in so they can just poopsock a game from it's release day>"more skilled"
>>563290963Jesus fucking Christ.
>>563290963Every day I wake up and thank God that I am not a Triage
>>563290963Demoman if he was woke and gay
>>563290963>Featuring the Demoman from TF2!
>>563290963thank god we got the current design
>>563290963>a black teletubbyAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>563291063Bro? Just enjoy getting raped? What's wrong with you? Aren't you hardcore?
>>563290963I think this is still meaningless. If they shipped a year ago they just wouldn't have hero-shooter mechanics. They scrapped the customisability of your runner pretty late. It makes sense why some characters were finalised so late.
>>563290963>Those giant handsMan, leadership really must have fucked this game. I can't imagine the actual devs were planning on only beginning the actual game design 1 year into a 6 year development cycle.
>>563291301>The right oneHmm.
>>563291371They very proudly said at one point they still had all the fucking lore to write months before the first release.
>>563291301The hero shooter design was probably a thing as soon as Ziegler stepped in in like 2022
>>563291403I'm genuinely hoping he looks as cool as he did in the teaserHe is giving me Gauss from Warframe feels
>>563291301>scrapped the customisability of your runner pretty late.I wonder if they're considering re-implementing it at this point, especially if it was almost done.
>>563291496If you've ever worked with press as a lower employee to leadership, you know you have to sound enthusiastic about disastrous choices you didn't make.
>>563291583No, they had devlogs back in like late 2023 where they were talking about customising your runner, they scrapped it quite late relatively speaking
>>563291063It'll be beautiful when these streamers are able to start farming compiler on the very first cryo day of the new season as the codex unlocks are permanent. Whatever normal humans remain by S2 will die then lmao. They'll get rolled at level 25 by gold teams and goo guns.
>>563291704They've already implemented skins into battle passes, there's no chance.
>>563291770I never considered thisSeason 2 is going to go beyond your ordinary, average rape, jesus christ, this is advanced rape
>>563291704Unless they turn ship in lieu of playercounts, I don't think so. They largely turned to heroes because of Ziegler's prospects of marketability since people really liked the heroes in Valorant
>>563291601lmao this nigga's got some fucking deoxys speed mo'fucking looking helmet. Fukkin poke-e-man helmet nigguh. God dayum, he looks dumb.
>>563291770 I expect Cryo to be locked until mid season.
>>563291926What the fuck are you saying man
>>563291912>Valorant>plenty of designs your average person is going to jerk off to, just like Overwatch>Marathon>please love our quirky designs...I'm not saying making games coomerbait is the best thing but good lord even he has to understand why people give a fuck about "hero designs"
>>563292073Hey manI'm jerking off to that weird bug lady
>>563291770You have made a perfectly strong argument for exactly why I said the seasonal resets aren't even in the favour of the casuals and gamerdads, because the sweats will just get the best gear in the game on first cryo day and then fuck over the leftover casuals that are still trying to get into pinwheel and extract.
>>563292073Unironically I think they wanted sexy designs but the management forced their handJust look at Glitch/Vandal in the reveal cinematic and compare it to the in-game model.People are already headcanoning how pretty she looks in fanart
I enjoy playing the game.
Me too. :)
>>563292310stop cappin' nigguh
saaars do not redeem the marathon
>>563292125I wasn't born yesterday bro I know there's people out there to jerk it to tile patterns but if they wanted the normie appeal they needed some normie bait>>563292252Maybe, but Bungie's also kinda always avoided sexy designs? Cortana's about the only exception and I feel like they still weren't very concerned with making her as sexy as possible or anything. I feel like there was probably an argument about character design.I wouldn't really want them to give up the current design, I think the designs are at least interesting, but the whole aesthetic was begging for personalization and not classes. Everyone being "the same" makes the aesthetic choices dramatically more boring than they should be for such a stylized game. After Destiny's customization choices, though, I would literally never hope or expect for a good customization system out of this game at all, prior to classes or now.
>>563289329based
>Acting like Thief isn't sexy
did you guise know the volt thrower reticle changes size depending on your aim assist stat
>>563293005From the neck up, sure
>>563290762>I enjoy it, it's not like that's the meta on other mapsImagine saying this unironically when that's obviously not true
>>563292183Until someone reinvents the fucking wheel completely extraction shooters are by design just fucking woodchippers to feed gamerdads and casuals into. The entire design of the genre is "what if better players got to always have innate advantages in a match? Isn't that cool?" It's like the genre was honestly made from someone looking at killstreaks from Call of Duty and deciding it's so fucking based to reward people who are already doing well that we should make an entire game that's just about that, letting the rich get richer and the people without time to be raped by them so the people most into it have fun and keep giving us money.
>>563291301That hacker girl is cute as fuck
>>563275654Bro the two faggot destiny players hosting the race to kill the compiler stream were glazing the fight so hard. At one point one of them goes >we’re seeing a whole new paradigm in regards to what’s possible with these boss encountersAnd he’s referring to the fact that the compiler doesn’t have a visible HP bar
>>563291828Explain your logic. Skins are just paintjobs.>>563291770They can just selectively reset. But let's see if they actually do it.
>>563291403Isn’t that the UESC purple lore helmet item from Cryo
Would a more survival focused PvE mode work? I really like the game world but the pacing of this PvP doesn't really let me enjoy it. Narratively you could set it up as "this place is so distant and dangerous that we can only send one shell at a time" or something
>>563292183And that's why the game needs skill based matchmaking. People who have been playing season 1 for 300+ hours will have no issue obliterating new and more casual players even at level 1.
>>563293315it's way too fucking funny how brainless hype overrides all critical thinking
>>563291828Make the skins a separate "outfit" that covers the whole character, problem solved
I like how Bungies solution for removing the already existing (and flourishing) experimental duo queue, was to remove it for the next two months and say they need more time to refine it. Do they really think people are going to find thirds or fill until June? Fuck off. There's no reason to do this, might as well just quit.
>>563293005>two theifs with me in cryo >we’re all in the vents>can see theifs bare feet>ass in the ventShe stole the lootButShe stole my heart (erection)
>>563290963>healing char is a negro and not a cute girlbravo bungo, my expectations were subverted have fun never making skin money off of him
>>563293140Weakling.
>>563293484If the PvE is completely revamped, yes, but they won't do that.
>>563293618it is personally darkly hilarious to me because the single person I had interested in this game isn't buying it now because what's the fucking point if we can't play together lol
>>563292252imagine the sound of the soft shiny chair sticking to vandals polyester/latex outfit while she does her cute stretch...
>>563293484Just do anything to get people away from such brutal PvP for 10 minutes. This sort of gameplay will just erode the player base in time. People laugh it off because it’s a game, except they don’t.
>>563293484Road to Rostov is pretty popular right now and it's an offline PvE extraction shooter. There is a market for it, they just have to make the encounters interesting.
>>563276482Lmao you’re a fag
>>563293850Their choice to increase the spawn count of teams permanently thanks to feedback was perhaps the dumbest decision they madeYeah everyone wanted to get into the fight and do shit when they first got their hands on it but they should've thought ahead a week and realized despite their design and intentions people actually want some breathing room in these games and not the certainty of an encounter in mere minutes
>>563293618They said that they'll be adding a different experimental queue, so it makes sense to disable the old one.
>>563293695I don't like skinny bitches, sorry. Recon is the sexiest female
>>563293315roflwaffles was so desperate for this game to take off since nobody cares about cod, he somehow weaseled his way into being one of the "chosen" streamfags for the game and just looks like a retard trying to defend it. It's a famine out there for content cucks
>>563293920Helldivers 2 has had a fuckload of people and for most intents and purposes it's a PVE extraction shooter, as light as they come really but the fact is a game wanting to do PVE extraction can learn a lot from what it does well.
>>563294026>so it makes sense to disable the old oneit's also going to make sense for me to uninstall this game
>the autistic "poopsock" retard sperg is itt toothis retard is literally everywhere and on /vg/ all day, yet keeps crying about people that have "more time" than him. ironic. stfu old fuck
>>563291601This is just Recon
>>563277184Why do all the vaults have the same screens? Because that’s the asset the created for this map and they’re gonna get as much mileage as possible
>>563294362His silhouette got leaked as 'Sentinel' though
>>563293992>Their choice to increase the spawn count of teams permanently thanks to feedback was perhaps the dumbest decision they madeThey only did this for the beginner version of the perimeter map. They increased sound detection distance too, but that was reverted.
>>563293920>Road to VostokI'll pass.
>>563294026>alright so we're bleeding players. What should we do?>cut out duos for a week so all the players who only have one friend to play with stop playing, it's a good idea to do this, momentum isn't real or anything they'll pick it back up next weekwhat the FUCK are they THINKING
>>563294521They were thinking that they had already done a duos week for every map other than Cryo Archive, but the new mode wasn't ready yet, so this week there will be no experimental modes.
>>563277942There’s nothing really stopping anyone. All a team needs to do is maybe kill two purple commanders and hit the 1 or 2 security terminals in their starting wing killing the commanders isn’t even really required. With even level one if you know your route you can just rush straight to another wing through its level 1 door. you can rush into a neighboring wing in like 90 seconds off spawn if you really want
>>563294638well they should really be thinking "oh fuck we need to retain players" and not "let's make it harder for people to enjoy our game"
>>563294752I don't think duos was doing shit for player retention.
>>563279260Can you stop drinking the toon cum straight from the bungee tap for a minute?
>>563294521There shouldn’t be solos or duos. The game is balanced around trios and rook. The enemies, the abilities, Cryo, it’s all set up for teams. If you’re playing the game solo, you’re not playing the actual game. How good Bungie balance every map for every variance of team counts if there such a heavy PvE element?This is like if Destiny raids had the option to have four players.
>>563294904I think you're out of your mind if you don't think 2-man groups are one of the most important groups to accomodate for any multiplayer game in existenceIt is literally the "show and play this game to my friend" market and extremely important for viral spread.
>>563294265Haha
>>563294519Why are these spaces not available?
>>563294521The numbers are so bad they have to consider things like playlist consolidation. It's one less hopper for people to exist in. The playerbase is incredibly split in the game already: 3 maps, 3 solos maps, and Cryo. 7 hoppers for an incredibly low playerbase.
>>563278963>Expecting a raid level format in a mostly pvp game with a 30 minute time limitNah this is on you.
I didn’t notice it before, but the UESC bots in Cryo are summoned via like a hexagram on the floor, and when you kill them, there are these “P” particles that come out from them that match the symbology all around Cryo.
This game desperately needs to be put back in the oven but that always fails for games so I guess it's just dead
I love my current kit so much>kill usec>it spawns flechette drones that heal me>it sends a cool looking green pulse that disables other usec>it turns me invisibleand my cannon cores>almost instantly charges up>deals more damage and pings enemyit already saved me once when someone jumped me and I just equalized the fight with the cannon and then tapped him
>>563295063man I don't know what if we just accepted that teams killed PvE faster and that team imbalance is okay because the entire game is about being in unfair situations by design so who gives a shit? I'd rather be going up in 2v3s with a friend I'm talking to than the luck of the dice in random fill 3v3s and being in peasant tier gear vs cryofarmers.
Today I went on a date with Vandal. I surprised her with a sparkleaf bouquet. We shared a drinkable cheeseburger and watched the views of Tau Ceti IV. It was nice. I hope I see her again soon.
The reality is that no one is playing duos BECAUSE you have to bring a friend in. And even if you didn’t, no one is going to match make duos because it’s homosexual to play with one other random man as well as lower rate of success vs trios.
>>563295212>Expecting a raid level formatThat's what it was literally hyped up as
>>563295627The dog kinda looks like Vandal a bit...
>>563295486>I'd rather be going up in 2v3s with a friend I'm talking to than the luck of the dice in random fill 3v3sYou can literally just do this right now. Queue up with your friend and then either select no fill or fill in with a teammate and leave them.
i stopped playing this once i reached the solo wall and the only content left to do required trios
>>563295664well obviously, it turns out with no playercount you can't have seperate queues and it also turns out their ranked mode is pointless because .1% of the population even feels like they should go there so all that's left is the rapingAnd when the game is designed around raping everyone from the start you might as well just make all matches be a mix of playercounts
>>563295674Show me where that was said by employees of Bungie.
>>563295854I don’t understand the point of ranked. You’re doing exactly the same thing as you would in a normal match, except the players are more serious.
>>563295997You have to consider it through the completely insane warped perspective of Bungie who legitimately thinks people would be playing this game with the hope to test their super serious gamer skill against other super serious people in a serious PVP environment for serious clout because for some reason Bungie thinks they're really good at PVP despite being demonstrably terrible at it for a decade.
>>563295997I don't know how to tell you this anon, but that's how ranked works in every game.
>>563295997Ranked is very stupid and the only reason I'm going to bother with it next week is the destroyer skin looks nice.It's not even an MMR based system but an ante system, you can have plats queued with bronzes.
>>563295997They thought an outlet for people to use their super giga OP endgame loot they got from Cryo the weekend before would be good, since the exotics at the moment don't really have much of a 'use' outside of pubstomping lobbies
>>563296247Most games don't ask you to grind up your gear to compete in the serious ranked mode so there's a lot lower barrier of entry, no fear of putting things on the line to have a real competition, no innate advantages, actually just a competition of skill with the same choices available to everyonethis game has none of that by fucking design so of course no one cares. There's nothing to gain and it's a game about running a treadmill.
>>563296553Turns out the outlet for cryo is to be sweaty and camp cryo and delete other people doing it.
>>563295936
If you're getting matched against streamers and googunners, you should be at a point in seasonal level where you have a designated three stack team. If not, you're an extreme minority in the playerbase.
>>563297143It is that though. It has a boss and super hard puzzles.
>>563297296>please show me where they hyped it up as a raid!>w-well, it is a raid!good talk
Expectations for Season 2?
>>563297143>Raid-style PvPvE activity So exactly what Cryo is?
>>563296247Correct, except they don’t have static loot. The whole point of ranked is a skill test. If everyone came in with set gear, then it make sense.
>>563297390Exactly what the roadmap stated, and maybe SBMM.
>>563297406wait so was I not supposed to expect it to be a GOOD raid with a good boss? is that the argument now?
>>563297390Make everything less of a grind because streamfags and neets have abandoned it inshallah
>>563297296>>563297406You retards lose your memory the same way you lose your loot
>>563297390Season 2 will have Marsh with a Hunt Showdown boss the players have to beat, alongside mimics to trip you up and make you think it’s other runners. It’ll be “ok” for the first two weeks, then the fear factor will wear off and there’ll be some nonsense like, “you gotta bring Chen grenades in or else” meta that develops.
If Bungie was smart, they'd be selling real versions of all the in-game stickers and charms in their merch store. So far, they only have a weaveworm plush.
the most hilarious part about this game is going to be when casuals login during season 2 launch and wonder why their vaults and progress are wiped
>>563297789yeah it'd be a great move for them to buy up a ton of merch to sit in a warehouse to sell for this game they can't even sell
>>563297736>chen grenades
>>563294108That worthless fuck makes the most drawn out cod zombie “tutorials” possible that still manage to leave out relevant information while using footage that’s totally irrelevant to whatever he’s attempting to explain.I dipped back into cod to try zombies when black ops 6 released and it genuinely pissed me off when I found a really articulate, concise, well done tutorial that got completely shoved out of the search algorithm as soon as wafflefag posted his dogshit video
>>563297390Here’s what Season 2 would be as a 10/10 concept. >environmental threat that makes teams think about teaming up in a truce for fear of being gangbanged by that same thing later>colonist anomaly monsters wandering around trying to jump scare you>non standard exfils, have to get out on hijacked UESC ships>the best nighttime mission elements from Call of Duty over the years>underneath night marsh is an instanced pyramid maze that trips can attempt and is a throwback to pathways into darknessThat would be best outcome. Reality if “it’s dire marsh at night and more UESC with a zombie boss that chases you sometimes.”
>>563298071man I can't believe CoD zombies is a fucking thing stillI honestly thought that shit was done back when they went off the deepend with making everything a fucking ordeal and all about obtuse secrets, all my friends bounced off that shit so hard.
>>563298235>environmental threat that makes teams think about teaming up in a truce for fear of being gangbanged by that same thing laterI just heard half the collective playerbase shit their pants in terror imagining that an extraction shooter could do anything other than incentivize you to rapeBungie will never
fuck ya life bing bong
>>563298279To be fair, cod zombies’ DNA is heavily entwined in extraction shooters. Cryo Archive and Kino der Toten are very similar.
>>563298431It’s doable. Imagine an enemy that tears apart teams quickly, but also doesn’t stop tracking you and also guards loot bags. It would basically be a Deathclaw from Fallout, except then the social experiment is, what do to two teams who were fighting a boss then do when faced against each other
>>563298489Arena shooters like halo created survival games created battle royale which created extraction shooters. It's pretty circular so arena shooters should get popular again soon.
>>563298489Yeah I was honestly thinking about that when I typed it. I think the difference is it actually feels like you can figure shit out yourself without consulting a youtube video though. Trying to figure out the later maps between us in real time just didn't wasn't that fun. Leaving crawlers alive to explore at your own pace was already a level of tedium I didn't enjoy honestly. I don't remember which game it was we finally dropped it on, I think Black Ops 3 maybe but I'd really have to look.
>>563298279It was fun enough if you just played it like an old zombies map just seeing how far you could go. They added retarded warzone mechanics like picking up loot off the floor constantly. Blops 6 was a bit more lenient with their Easter egg bullshit and I believe even had a story mode that unlocked a month of so after each map release that would walk you through the entire Easter egg>>563298489This is true in the worst ways yeah
the marathon man marches on
>>563298885I don't really think the lineage is quite there on that. Arena shooters created more arena shooters. Minecraft lead to survival crafting bullshit. Open worlds and survival crafting bullshit lead to BRs. But I don't really think BRs lead to Extraction Shooters. I think Extraction Shooters can be traced back to Stalker more than BRs or MP shooters. The design of Tarkov was really about trying to make something in the vein of an MP Stalker experience. And Tarkov really only got popular because of gun fetishism and innawoods larpers finding a game that embraced their autism. Hunt spun off from a weird mixture of inspirations. All the bigger extraction shooters really have quite different roots in how their gameplay came to be honestly.
Imagine bringing in a key to attempt cryo just to get creamed by the streamer sweats at minute 2 and there's no safety net for you and the key is just gone forever now. If Tarkov had no safe pocket the game would unironically be dead and it's telling that this game, the one that is so hardcore it doesn't provide one, is the one cratering.
>>563293920actually pretty fun, I think of it more like a roguelite than an extraction shooter based on how the progression works. surprised to see this level of quality out of a solo-autist
>>563299513>Minecraft lead to survival crafting bullshit. Open worlds and survival crafting bullshit lead to BRs.I'm talking out my ass so I could easily be wrong but I like to think minecraft led to rust(and also dayz) which led to brs as the big landmark games that defined the direction of the genres.
>>563298440Go away liverslices
What's the in lore reason for Recon having such plush and grippable thighs?
>>563299687Minecraft > DayZ > PUBG is pretty much the lineage I think of though there's undoubtedly something between Minecraft and DayZ. I guess Rust, I don't know. I didn't hear much about Rust til after DayZ myself but I didn't care too much about most of those personally and it's been a while.
>>563299795Intel container.
>>563299537The best part is the streamers don’t even care enough to loot your corpse, the key just disappears into the void
>>563299687>>563299872according to google AI facepunch said rust was a concoction of minecraft and dayz.
>>563299537Imagine bitching about losing loot in an extraction shooter. This is the genre, either don't play or get good enough to be the one to steal a Cryo key from other players.
>angry joe has 100 hours and has exfilled a couple times on cryothis is what the average "hardcore" player looks like btw, despite everyone on here saying they beat the compiler 200 times. now imagine what the casual average player looks like. someone with less than 100 hours, maybe can only play an hour or two a day during the work week and a couple hours on the weekend. these guys will effectively never see a quarter of the games content. not that they can even try and beat the boss and fail but straight up never even get to it in the first place.who thought that would be a good idea?
>>563299720who is she?
>>563300307it gives people something to work toward
>>563300307I just hit season level 60 and I have exfilled countless times on Cryo and have completed two vaults with complete randos. Why should my experience be punished because most people too stupid or bad to play the game?
>>563300307>now imagine what the casual average player looks like.if I had an image of someone uninstalling the game I'd post it, but I can see it in my mind's eye very clearly
>>563300109Safety nets exist for a reason in games like this, otherwise you get death spirals that lead to people just not playing the game. There is a very long history of hardcore pvp MMOs that devs should really research and understand because they all die the exact same way, and it's the same way Marathon is dying. The sheep have less and less reason to log in as time goes on because the wolves are snowballing. This isn't even talking about carebear shit, this is just ensuring that there is a way to thrive in the world and not just be a walking bag of loot for someone every single time. Below average players get killed by average players every now and then and get absolutely farmed by good players. Eventually they will stop playing and now the average players have to compete against good players and disgusting players. The cycle repeats. I think you can see where this is going.
>>563300307Casuals don’t care about any of that. Have you seen dudebros? All care about are purple guns. Casuals will literally just run outpost nonstop with free kits without caring about the setting story or anything
>>563300307Angry Joe is lying about his hours or he's really bad. He's season level 56.
>>563300582Many people don't uninstall games for a long time after they stop playing.
>>563300819I keep saying it but this is the fucking genre. There is no avoiding it if you want to make PVP Extraction. You can't have the point be to acquire stronger guns and shields and not have this happen, because it is the point of the whole game. The imbalance is baked in and the scheme of the genre is the rich get richer and the poor struggle. It's hard enough to compete with a skill or knowledge advantage in an MP game, it's that much harder if you're outmatched in game knowledge AND statistically disadvantaged against your opponents. The only thing you can do is give a reason to not kill everyone you see, and Bungie's managed to fuck that up worse than anyone who has attempted an extraction shooter.
I wanna play, but I'm waiting until later, so that the player numbers are higher.
>>563301460any retard could tell you think and yet people in the industry were CERTAIN that Extraction was gonna be the next Battle Royal
>>563301460>I keep saying it but this is the fucking genre.Some dipshit arguing about xp loss and corpse runs in everquest, circa 2004.
>>563302585Not him but this is a shit comparaison.Also, griefing on open pvp servers in mmos was always cancer.
>>563302371It could be if someone could really put together an actually good PVPVE game, but Arc Raiders doesn't handle the mixture all that well from what I've seen. Bungie should have been in one of the best places to deliver an experience like this. They've been doing involved PVE experiences since they've been relevant in shooters, and if you molded something like Destiny's open world hubs and quests and shit with the chance that other dudes in the overworld were opposing you or ignoring you or wanted to join up with you, they could maybe make their gorillions of dollars. Instead they released a game that doesn't iterate on any proven mechanics at all for a market that didn't want this genre.
>>563295694That’s her son
>>563293114Sometimes the reticle means spread, sometimes assist, it's so confusing. However, considering that it's a buff, this looks like Triage's buff might increase aim assist? Who knows what "performance of weapons" means.
>>563302904How so? Many people assumed that tangential aspects of MMO mechanics were central to the experience, and cried like little bitches when WoW came along and assblasted them.
>>563302585MMOs have plenty to do that isn't fighting other players that outgear you. Pretty big difference. Nothing intrinsic about MMO design ever mandated that. The current trend that you acquire tangible advantages in your killing ability in extraction shooters does.
>>563301460They honestly should have added some kind of faction system that actually makes you "friendly" to other runners in the same faction with some kind of karma system if you frag people with the same rep. Prioritize faction queues so teams are all under the same faction and you can choose to risk the karma dip if you see another team that's "friendly"
>>563303337I called out very explicitly PVP extraction shooters and explained even more than it's really an innate problem to gaining direct gear advantages. You can make a PVP extraction shooter where you never get a gun that fires stronger bullets but lots of people are going to ask "huuuh? What's the point?" right now because for a sizable amount of people the joy is in being the rapist with the +3 gun of new player deletion.
>>563303356>The current trend that you acquire tangible advantages in your killing ability in extraction shooters does.That's not central to all aspects of progression, and acting like safe pocketing a key is an affront to the central premise of extraction shooters, games where you lose your gear if you don't extract, does not help your argument.
Crazy that that fuck Nikita somehow understands the genre enough to give people a bone with letting them shove shit up their ass.
>>563303589>acting like safe pocketing a key is an affront to the central premise of extraction shootersI didn't act like that at all. In fact I completely disagree and I don't think there's anything gained with a blind adherence to the idea of an "extraction shooter." That's partly my point bro. They need to expand past this idea, because the core tenets being adhered to are dogshit.
Tarkov, the grandaddy of extraction shooters, realized that wipes are retarded and safe pockets are a good thing.
>>563303976Tarkov somehow, paradoxically, rapes you both harder and yet more lovingly than marathon
>>563303801I'm a poor reader, my apologies.>They need to expand past this idea, because the core tenets being adhered to are dogshit.I agree. Maybe some new ideas will come along and blow our socks off, but I don't think it'll be Bungie doing it.
Tarkov rapes you and makes you your favorite breakfast the next morning. Marathon just rapes you and gives you an expired coupon for an Egg McMuffin.
Tarkov has the atmosphere, the vibes, the quests. It's not just a rape arena.Marathon has nothing but griefing inside the lose everything factory.
Tarkov is literally pay to win let's not pretend it's some paragon of virtue
B-But free kits! And Rook runs! The game is super casual guys! People just aren't playing cause of teh hate campaign!!
>>563304268It should've been. They had every fucking reason to be the one to make Arc Raiders but better. Unfortunately years of raping their customers has now been uno reversal'd.
>>563303735>Crazy that that fuck Nikita somehow understands the genre enought. started playing in 2025Nikita had to be dragged kicking and screaming every step of the way and routinely got into shitflinging fights on twitter and reddit with people who knew better than him.Tarkov went through half its life with impromptu shit design catered and balanced around streamers to pad their playtime.
>>563304394tarkov's flaws are too numerous to count and that's before we talk about cheatershowever it still has a better and more cohesive design than marathon does
The reason this game feels like CBT is because the primary game mode isn't even an extraction shooter at it's core, it's a BR that lets you bring loot out of the match. The actual ES mode is solos and rooks but Bungie does not want to cater to or support them.
>>563301450I believe him. I am level 46 and I am 70 hours in right now
>>563303589You already begin by buying a broken key, which you have to successfully exfil to repair. Why is that? To increase the number of times you can fail and lose the progress. 1. exfil materials to buy key 2. survive and and exfil to repair key, 3. survive and exfil with loot from lock room. Safe pocketing a key would just undo that design. At that point you might as well just sell ready to use keys in the armory.
>>563301450He's not lying
tarkov is having a nice stroll through the woods before a pack of slavic vampires raise from the ground and gangbang you brutally all night but then let you go and tell you to watch out for the werewolves because they'll also rape youmarathon is getting trapped in a mirror maze for all eternity as your rapist continually vists you and forces you to watch your humiliation from every conceivable angle night after night after night
>>563300307>>563305149Of all people, why is he playing this shit?
>>563305219He likes Bungie games and extraction shooters, even when they're bad.
>>563305043Objectively bad game design hidden reliant on really bad RNG to even get started and only incentivizing being AFK in a crate for 20 minutes at the ass end of the map to get a key. Instead of just seeding keys into loot tables properly. I've played 120 hours and have only found 3 keys naturally in my whole playtime and only just have enough compliance matrixes to get one (1) blue key, I certainly don't have enough purple salvage to barter for a purple template.
>>563305308I haven't kept up with him in years, but I remember him slamming D1 when it came out, what changed
>>563305614the same thing that changed with all destiny players's brain chemistrystockholm syndrome and "oooh the potential"
>>563305614Taken King came out and was fun.
>>563305614He was pissed at Destiny because he could see it could be good.
>>563304323Looking at first tarkov video on youtube, I'm sorry but this that game looks like complete ass. Is this game from 2002? Not even muzzle flash, wtf.
>>563306020many such cases
>>563306164
>>563306164He's using a suppressor, retard
why are you responding to the shitposter?
>>563306505I shitpost too, it's only fair
seriously how did this game cost $250 million to make? i’m actually in awe on how much money had to be wasted. it’s fun but it’s also semi barebones. how the fuck did it cost that much and there are only 4 maps?
smartest bungie simp
>>563306689Perfect image summarizing modern Xitter "discourse".
>>563306672Because it was in development for years and went through multiple iterations over that time.
>>563306672Bungie is infamous for burning through retarded amounts of cash with nothing to show for it. That's why Microsoft let them go, Activision ended their 10 year deal after like 5 years, and Microsoft declined to purchase Bungie before Sony stupidly decided to do it.
>>563306672250mil is honestly not even the real number. The real number is way higher because this game's been in complete fucking hell for years and then there's marketing. Their huge reveal trailer cost an absurd amount on its own.
>>563306689He's profited more than Bungie has for Marathon
>>563306689You can make money on X by being a retard? You can't put ads on a tweet, so how does that work?
>>563307035If you pay for the blue checkmark you get paid for engagement.
>>563306915marketing is part of the budget
>>563307035When you buy the funny checkmark you are considered a "content creator" for the site if you have enough engagement and followers.
>>563307035Yeah but I sincerely doubt that message is real
>>563307205Why? He had a lot of big Marathon tweets recently.
>>563307153Marketing ain't part of the budget because if it was the figure without it would probably be 100 million and that'd mean about 2 fucking years of employee salaries at bungie or something like that. 250mil is ballparking their costs of years of salary and benefits.
What's with all the dooming? Both D1 and D2 were awful in their first year, let them cook.
>>563307320that's just not how it works
>>563307364both of them had activities people could do that weren't being raped
>>563307302>why would the troll make something up to troll peopleGee anon idk
>>563307364
>>563307606I'm talking about game quality, not sales.
>>563307606Yeah because D1 became a good game and people thought "huh, maybe Bungie actually knows how to make good games again yeah of course D2 is a day 1 for me!" and then lol.
>>563307472It is exactly how it works dude.
Wonder when the doomposters are going to move on.
>>563307680You can't "cook" if you can't afford to be in the kitchen
When this useless general disappears off the board
