That's 7, though.

The Phantom being DLC is so dumb, hopefully they don't repeat that with 8. Actually, you think the Phantom will actually be a carrier variant this time or do you think it'll still be the chimera F-4E?

>>563262024
most likely they'll do the same thing from ac04 f-4

>>563262024
The A-6F out of nowhere gives me some hope we'll get more variants hitherto unseen in Ace Combat. Finally getting an F-4J or S instead of (or in addition to, even) an E to suit the naval aviation theme would certainly apply.

The granddad plane snubbing in 7 was rude as hell, ngl.
The F-5E IS ACE COMBAT

>>563259346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBp4b6wZR7o

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It's over.
Can't wait to do it all over again when the port drops with 8.

>>563259346
hoping that the online is just peer to peer like MGS:PW

>>563272978
>when the port drops with 8.
Is this actually a thing or just rumors and wishful thinking

>>563265308
Naval F-111 would be lovely.

>>563277225
I don't see why SteamDB would have mentions of an Ace Combat Zero executable and Ace Combat Zero DLC if there wasn't something Zero-related coming.

>>563277225
It might be some kind of pre-order exclusive, like 5 and 6 were for the PS4/Xbox. Which is fucking bullshit if you ask me, but at least with it being PC and on Steam you might be able to get it outside of the preorder period with creamapi/smokeapi.

>>563279572
>Ace Combat Zero DLC
wat

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>>563286179
is "project_live" supposed to be 8 or Zero?

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>>563288383
Zero's probably being packaged alongside 8 as a Steam-side DLC (Project_Live_Zero), owning the DLC lets you run it as a launch option for 8.
Do take everything that SteamDB says with a grain of salt, all of this can change on a dime depending on what PA or Bamco decide.

>>563289443
>acz.exe
huh, I thought it could be just skins, but an executable is a different matter

If it's just going to be the same ps2 game with ps2 graphics I'm not itnerested

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chudbros we lost

>>563265308
Wait how do you tell the difference between A-6E and A-6F?

>>563296631
The A-6E has four wing mounts, the one in the dev diary has an additional two, which was planned for the A-6F.

>>563297465
So an A-6 with possibly 4AAM sounds cool
Wonder if we'll have both A-6E and F

>>563298497
Wonder if 4AAMs will actually be decent this time around.

Okay, I want to see if I understand the politics of AC7 correctly.

1995: Osea comes to Belka with an "economic opportunity": the Great Lakes development deal. Turns out Osea knew the land wasn' profitable and it was a cover to annex Belkan territory. After this and other economic problems/territorial losses manufactured by outside powers, Belka has had enough and attacks the world. The rest is history: Belka gets brutally invaded, it's natural resources divvied up by international powers, and Osea permanently occupies and annexes huge portions of Belkan territory.

1997: Usean nations are trying to set aside old tensions and form a real alliance, the Usean Allied Forces. Then Osea extends an "alliance" offer to southern Usean nations: the Spring Sea treaty. It's called called a "military" alliance but also involves mining rights and Usean natural resources. This is only 2 years after the Belkan War. The nations of Usea have seen where this goes. The western nations (including Erusea) and the northern nations (including North Point) strongly protest the treaty, but Osea goes ahead anyway. On the day of the treaty signing anti-Osean extremists launch the Usean Continental Rebellion, then Scarface 1 shows up and the rebellion is put down by 1998. The following year Ulysses hits and everything goes to shit.

Fast forward 20 years. What has happened? Osea has a permanent military presence on the continent and uses it's influence to determine the flow of resources. The Spring Sea treaty nations station the IUN "peacekeeping" force which is effectively just the Osean military. Notably the western and northern nations, who originally protested the Spring Sea treaty, do not host this force. Osea/Harling probably do have humanitarian motivations. But they're not afraid to take territory from Usean nations for their development projects, even if those nations tell them no.

With all of that as a backdrop, there are 3 parts of AC7 I want to make sure I understand right.

1/2

>>563307832
First, in this promotional video for the AC7 DLC missions, there is a news report running in the background. It specifically states that "unlike the Continental War, most Useans seem to support these (Erusea's) actions" (https://youtu.be/9b0bnIXtQro?si=16Wi7fb6Cll8ewDi specifically at 1:10). It also says some Useans want the economic assistance from Osea but others say it's an economic power grab like the Belkan War. Second, durring the briefing for mission 2 the IUN uses the phrase "forces aligned with Erusea" to describe their new enemy, not "Erusean forces." They also say that Erusea has declared war on Osea and "all nations stationing the IUN peacekeeping force," not Usean nations generally. Third, the plot of mission 10 is that Erusea doesn't want to cause a diplomatic incident with a Usean nation providing support for Osea, implying they are not already at war with them.

So all of the above seems to imply this: in 2003 Erusea was explicitly attacking other Usean nations against their will. In 2019, Erusea frames the war as a fight against foreign influence/economic exploitation and only attacks Usean nations they see as enabling Osean presence. Unlike 2003 most Useans support them, and most of the red territory on the map isn't territory Erusea has seized by force. Instead, it's Usean nations who support Erusea's actions and permit the Erusea military activity within their borders. That's why the Bulgudarest incident is a big deal, it's Osea demonstrating that there are Usean nations willing to support it that weren't part of the Osean block at the start of the war. I can't remember if Bulgudarest is part of the IUN zone at the start but North Point (where commander Mckinsey is going) definitely wasn't.

When I first played AC7 I assumed it was just Continental War II with Erusea invading everyone but now I'm not so sure. Does the fanbase generally agree with this or am I reading too much into it?

2/2

>>563307832
>>563307978
I think you're giving this more thought than Project Aces ever did.

>>563307978
The Lighthouse war was all about Young Erusean Officers gaslighting their Princess and citizens into thinking Osea was taking advantage of them economically via the Space Elevator, while using Belkan technology to BTFO the other nations militaristically.
Said Belkan technology was actually going to be used for a Scorched Earth/Final Solution plan as one last FUCK YOU from Belkans who had integrated themselves into Osea and Usean nations.
In actuality, Osea was not taking advantage of anyone with the Space Elevator, and Erusean/Belka once again are just giga retards who attack other people like rabid animals because muh pride.
It's just that shrimple.

>>563308997
sounds like trump and israel

>>563291325
This time something happens

>>563307321
In AC7 they were decent enough at longer ranges where it got past the maneuvering debuff and could track properly. Pretty awful vs Humans but in Campaign it was solidly "Good enough" Kinda like how the ADMM is trash vs humans but super useful in Campaign (even with the 22 second reload time).

>>563307321
I think it depends on the plane. F-15 they're retarded. Mig29 they are the best of all time

>>563311851
lol. Rogue nation that routinely chimps out because muh pride? Sounds like somebody in that region and it's not Israel.

>>563312414
Even in campaign LAAMs are just better. Nearly guaranteed kill if you launch them from a decent range.

>>563318507
I wish we had the option for the old XLAA being an option instead of just the double tap option as just chucking a quartet of Phoenixes or Meteors was always just a powerful look.

>>563320270
I wish we had manual control over multilock behaviour like in Vector Thrust. You could select how many locks per target you wanted and how many targets you wanted to lock onto.
VT used the D-pad for this but AC8 is using it for wingmen commands so maybe they could let you hold the missile button for more locks per target. Could be really fun with HCAAs or something, like hold the button for 8 locks then unleash a macross missile massacre.

>>563325962
I can hear it

>>563330531
I can hear and I can already see the A Rank at the debriefing screen because some jackass sunk the Aigaion too fast again. Hey you know what would be really funny for them to do in AC8's multiplayer again? 30 tickets.

>>563289443
Oh my god is this possible?
Wasn't it almost impossible because of licenses being retardly expensive?
The PS2 trilogy on PC would be the best thing is gaming for me now

>>563331732
Brother if they released 4, 5 and Zero with everything intact except updated graphics and they asked fucking 120 bucks for it I would pay it.

>>563318008
literally israel tho

>>563331732
It's a loophole, I think. You probably launch it through AC8 so it stays in one game or something.

>>563308997
How could eruseans ever think the space elevator was built in good faith? It’s arsenal bird air defense can cover their entire airspace and it’s built on territory they lost in the previous war. Why does the elevator need such strong air defense anyway? The space elevator was clearly put there by osea to control the usean continent. As erusea, accepting the elevator would be completely ceding their sovereignty to osea

>>563331732
I mean the PS2 games have been able to be emulated pretty much perfectly for some time now, even the old bugs with clouds or the sun have been fixed by now. Don't see much benefit to a PC port besides higher resolution for the 2D elements of the UI.

>>563334386
If it has the same 25 year old graphics then obviously there's not much of a point to it, but old AC games with current year graphics? I'd fucking nut so hard I wouldn't be able to play them because I'd be in hospital dying of exploded balls.

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>>563335708
Man imagine the scope of the war of AC5 without the technical limitations of the PS2 era.
That would be so good.
Like M09 "Lit Fuse" in which Osea starts the amphibious invasion of yuktobania. In game there are like 4 small squads entering yuktobania. Now imagine that but with AC7 numbers and scope, like in Stonehenge Defensive M12

>>563334386
A native version might fix the square explosions on the MBPMs.

>>563335708
>but old AC games with current year graphics?
Yeah that's asking for too much, I really cannot see them doing remaking the game just for a DLC/preorder exclusive

they're never ever going to directly sell the PS2 games to people btw, bundling these as extras in the deluxe editions is probably a loophole in distribution licensing

>>563342286
I know, which is why they should sell them as standalone releases, which I know is never going to happen, which makes me sad

>>563335708
Literally every "HD remaster" in gaming history has been soulless trash that fucks up the original graphical style, and I'm not interested in seeing the same happen to Ace Combat games.

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>>563333758
>How could eruseans ever think the space elevator was built in good faith?
Irrelevant. Built on non-Erusean territory.
>It’s arsenal bird air defense can cover their entire airspace and it’s built on territory they lost in the previous war.
Sovereign territory they OCCUPIED in the previous war. It was never theirs to begin with.
>Why does the elevator need such strong air defense anyway?
To dissuade Erusean chimpouts (they failed because Eruseans have no chill) and because a space elevator collapsing can fuck up a continent really good, so you don't want people attack it..
>The space elevator was clearly put there by osea to control the usean continent. As erusea, accepting the elevator would be completely ceding their sovereignty to osea
Literally not built on their territory and Erusea has bigger problems to worry about than a big sky phallus with a wacky drone bodyguard. Their social cohesion's apparently weak enough that losing another war led to a number of breakaway elements declaring independence, maybe they should work on reconciling with/properly integrating countries they've previously conquered than ATTACK ALL THEIR CONTINENTAL NEIGHBORS YET AGAIN

Young Erusean Officers and Belkan conspirators deserve the rope.

>>563343427
You are thinking remakes, not remasters. A remaster is literally the same game with a new coat of paint.
For instances the CoDMW\MW2 remasters are goated, CodMW\MW2 remake suck ass, etc.

There are some shit remaster as well (like GTA:SA) but those are few and far between

>>563343427
Remasters in current year tend to sacrifice art style in favor of the endless pursue of photorealism. Ace Combat's style was already trying to look realistic, as much as the hardware of the time allowed anyway. Making AC0 or X look like 7/8 in terms of fidelity would mean nothing as far as "art style" is concerned, it's not like these are particularly stylized games visually.

>>563343862
>Making AC0 or X look like 7/8 in terms of fidelity would mean nothing as far as "art style" is concerned, it's not like these are particularly stylized games visually.
AC titles all have very distinct art styles, most capital G gamers are just unrepentant bingbingwahoo-fags who think art style=cartoon characters

>>563345254
>AC titles all have very distinct art styles
In cutscenes, sure. Not when you're flying the plane in a mission.

>>563345458
Disagree, AC games have very deliberate art direction choices in GAMEPLAY informed by the strong aesthetic tastes of PA leads of the time. Letting some minionesian outsourcing codemonkey rape it to death with AI generated ultrarealtm texture work would be an affront to people with eyes.

>>563346012
>Letting some minionesian outsourcing codemonkey rape it to death with AI generated ultrarealtm texture work
And who in this thread said it has to be done like that?

>>563346221
because thats what will happen in the ultra unlikely event any such remaster effort is ever greenlit

>>563343698
You are high on osean exceptionalism propaganda. How the fuck could you argue that the space elevator air defense zone “doesn’t matter because achsually it isn’t located in erusea”? The fact that it is built on former erusean territory is just another slap in the face for erusea. The arsenal birds violate the sovereignty of the erusean nation, you cannot deny this. Also, Isn’t it interesting how erusea could only successfully wage their war by hijacking these very same arsenal birds? And how they immediately lost once they were destroyed?
>a space elevator collapsing can fuck up a continent really good, so you don't want people attack it..
Exactly why having these arsenal birds is completely unnecessary. It’s in nobody’s interest, least of all erusea’s, to obliterate their own territory.

>>563337229
>AC5 without the technical limitations of the PS2 era
But I've seen it and played it it was called AC6

>>563350092
... that's the only ace combat i ever miss.
It's impossible to find a XboX 360 for a reasonable price here

>>563333758
IRL if a space elevator were to fall it would almost be like a catastrophic meteor strike. There's a lot of mass high up with plenty of time to gain momentum as it falls. Obviously this would make one a high priority target for our beloved hurka dhurkas and other groups with charitable intentions. So that's the most obvious rationale for the Arsenal birds.

>Inb4 "the IUN tried to destroy the space elevator"
They were trying to knock it off balance enough that it's internal correction mechanisms would panic and it would shut down supplying energy to the Arsenal bird. This is basically exactly what Cossette ends up doing later.

But yeah, strong arming control of the Gunther region alone does compromise Osea's humanitarian rationale, genuine as it may be. I get that and needed to go somewhere and Erusea wasn't in a position to say no but more effort should have gone into securing the idea that this was a joint endeavor and not something forced on them. I don't think the narrative treats Osea as unconditionally good. Actually I think earlier versions of the script probably focused on their shortcomings even more. There's too much of an irony to Osea treating live people as like they're disposable drones that doesn't get acknowledged. And there's Avril's early rants about Osea that never really gets followed up on narratively.

Actually considering the intro to Mission 20 I think at some point, very early if ever, there was going to be a split in the campaign where you can either stay with Osea or defect to Erusea. Either way, eventually the satellites go down and you band together to fight at the space elevator so the story always ends the same. There's just too many early plot threads about Osea not caring about civilian casualties, falsely convicting randos and sending live people to their deaths in suicide squads that then get completely dropped when you join the LRSSG.

>>563351343
>IRL if a space elevator were to fall it would almost be like a catastrophic meteor strike. There's a lot of mass high up with plenty of time to gain momentum as it falls.
a space elevator, if severed at ground level would not "fall" to earth, it would spin off into space

>>563350473
Hope that recomp project comes to fruition soon.

>>563259346
>Still fails to include the EN twitter
>[Embed] + [Open]
>Didn't post a link in the previous thread

You fail at OP creation anon.

>>563280898
By making it a preorder bonus that legally means its considered free. Free means they can bypass any license issues they have with any of the planes.

>>563352326
gotta update the OP with the dev diary too

>>563350473
The pervious and current Xboxs are backwards compatible. If you wanna play it on a console you have choices its not locked to the 360. Might be one of the good things about it not being a PS3 game.

>>563352004
Looks like you're right. Last time I heard someone with any professional experience talk about space elevators was like 2007, probably should have double checked lel

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>>563352279
>recomp project
It seems a dude had a major breakthrough
We might see it in this year
https://www.reddit.com/r/acecombat/comments/1s2m3r0/ac6_recompilation_effort_progress_update_good_and/

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why is stonhenge being used for a PLA piece of propaganda?

>>563364923
wtf i love china now?

>>563364923
Gweilo don't know about gacha funded railguns.

>>563352326
I made it because nobody else made one after an hour going on two hours. I don't make threads, ever and just slapped this together

>>563367935
I'd rather have a shitty OP than no thread at all desu.

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Whens the next big games event where PA could concievably show off a full mission playthrough

>>563371417
Summer Games Fest maybe? It was announced at the Game Awards in the first place so it would be reasonable to think it'd show up there.

>>563371417
>>563372698
Imagine if it shows up in a random Nintendo Direct. Kono later casually tweeting that their optimization efforts went so well that they launch it on the Switch 2 as well.

>>563375587
It'd have to be hella optimisation because they've put A LOT of complexity into the new models and clouds.

>>563355242
I think bro made a new update post since then, but I can't find it now since his profile is private.

>>563379089
I'm starting to think that accounts being private is the default setting nowadays. It's awfully fucking inconvenient and also makes it difficult to properly sniff out bots. Oh yes, decade-old account with only a few hundred points that showed up out of nowhere and started spouting politically-charged nonsense, I'm sure you're legitimate...

>>563379089
>>563379881
He's been posting updates in a
>Discord
server he started. He's still working on it but recently had a hospital visit for some health problems. But he's still making consistent progress.

>>563347035
Maybe you fucks shouldn't have lost the Continental War. Hell you Erusean faggots shouldn't have you know STARTED IT in the first place.

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Speaking of his discord server, fresh news

>>563385570
Jeez, this guy works fast. Those useless bastards at Xenia could never.

>>563352326
You fail time and again at keeping your general alive and then bitch when someone makes a new thread because the OP nobody ever looks at is missing a cuple lines, nice.

>>563371417
>show off a full mission playthrough
I wouldn't watch it
I want to go into this game knowing as little as possible about it

Also predictions of the A-6 loadout?
UGB/LASM/RKT?

Although I kinda wish I could figure what I could use for Shrike for REASONS
This of course assumes using the same 3 SPW options per plane like AC7

>>563390424
If it's the A-6F then it has the ability to carry AMRAAMs, so 4AAMs and HCAAs are on the table.
If you asked me, UGB/LASM/4AAM.
Also Shrike would probably slot in as a LAGM? Same role as HARM, which is what the US LAGM model usually is.

>>563384083
You’re not even trying anymore. what’s the matter, no arguments left you osean dog?

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>>563391961
>>563384083
I sure do wonder who could be behind these posts.

>>563391432
Yea HARM or Standard ARM. Shrike was really only thought about for Flight of the Intruder Reference even though the missile was kinda shit

>>563393095
Man I'm happy I won't be blamed for this war for once!

>>563380692
Can you share his discord or a way to find it?

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>>563399464
>>563380692
nvm found it
It seems things are happening right now
«This time something happens»

>>563397868
inb4 the belks are responsible for the war between again seriously belka should've been ended long ago

>>563401834
The big twist will be that General Resource was founded in Belka.

>>563402331
They probably bought out a giant part of Grunder when the Razgriz Files dropped and Grunder kinda got fucked over.

Kinda like what should have happened to Lockheed with the F-105 bribery scandals but well
>Implying America holds it's corpos accountable

>>563385570
Given the tone he's using with these last few updates, with the exception of the one where he talks about health issues, it seems like the thing might be like 80% done already, the only thing is making me doubt that is the one where he does talk about the health issues, but the way he speaks about it in the rest makes you feel like it might be ready for release next month.

>>563407470
>Grunder is reputationally and financially ruined by bankrolling and actively developing products to aid international terrorism/instigate a forever-war
>General Resource swoops in and absorbs what's left
>A McDonnell Douglas-Boeing situation takes place where Grunder's corporate culture (i.e. rampant, subversive Belkan nationalism/revanchism) overtakes General Resource
>The FCU-Sotoa war is, through corporate mergers and proxy arms deals, still somehow Belka's fault
I can't say the idea hadn't crossed my mind.

>>563408223
If GR was Grunder levels of competent you'd not have gotten those weirdos in Neucom getting so powerful. Especially with how many GR R&D people seemingly defected to work for that company

>>563412709
What if the other half of Grunder was bought out by Neucom? Recontextualizing the Intercorporate War as not just two megacorps ruining a continent, but as two philosophical/religious branches (muh Belka Uber Allea) having a retarded schism on a completely different continent than where they were founded.

Also Yukes and Oseans did nothing wrong, gas the Gray Men NOW.

>>563414479
Neucom DID need to get some engineering chops. Although they might have bought out those uh... whoever made those random AC3 looking planes in ACX to get their engineering knowledge.
I presume GR bought Grunder's AI Division but Simon stole all the data and used it as the base for Nemo (and had all that delicious training data from ZOE to feed to Nemo) when he did his "Local Cuck Loses his Mind" arc

>>563414479
Gray Men? more like gay men lololololol

why didnt chopper just emergency land in the river

>>563393095
NOOOO IT'S ALWAYS BELKA AND CO YOU CAN'T POST THIS DELETE! DELEEETE

>>563430609
The city wasn't that big and in my game he was flying close the the city limits. You can't tell me he couldn't have handled it better. Just shoot the windmills or something like he did last time

Why did Osea command and Thunderhead believe some nobodies over their MVPs who were about to end the war? Wouldn't killing heroes even spark an insurrection with the soldiers? I don't know about 5's writing, man.

>>563431585
because isr-belka was deeply embedded in osean military and governments

>>563431585
Thunderhead was just glad to be rid of those annoying cringelords nagase and chopper.

>>563412709
To be fair, GR and Neucom do basically have a milenia long galactic cold war that the entire ace combat series is basically the origin story for.

>>563430609
He wanted his WSO dead and gone all this time and he finally got the chance to do it while getting a posthumous medal and promotion for it

>>563430609
The game needed some cheap death to make you feel bad so he had to go

>>563437250
There had to be a better way to do it in retrospect, I just don't know what they could do for it to have the same impact. Maybe making November City a bit more urbanized so there weren't any obvious uninhabited areas to land, or just not have the river running so close to the stadium?

>>563430609
Because dying in a plane crash is way better than dying via drowning

>>563438108
Probably bigger worry about coming in a low angle for the river possibly sending leftover ordinance everywhere if not plane debris. Nose planting into the center of the stadium which is empty just leaves everything in that stadium

>>563438108
Making the crash take way too long to happen made it way too melodramatic and manipulative imo, I think it would be better that while after the people finally evacuated the stadium, maybe due to a slip in judgement for being too preoccupied on dogfighting over a populated area, Chopper gets hit and enters a unrecoverable spin, there could still be time for him to communicate that the ejection system is busted and he can barely control the aircraft but could still direct it to the stadium while also giving the miss that voice line. It would make that "this is war and it does not care about errors, anyone can die anytime" impact better and still maintain the stadium crash symbolism.

I am obviously very happy about a new Ace Combat, but now more then ever, i understand that the real hype lies in the work of Keiki Kobayashi and his OSTs. These are all following me in live since AC4 and honestly is what i look forward too the most.
For the little we heard about the Wings of Theve theme, i'm almost sure we are going to have some other bangers

>>563440298
He's never gonna top Unsung War anyway, but yes

>>563442224
still, it's very promising
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44lPpP5khGU

>>563440298
I got a bad feeling about AC8's ost. Idk.
Same feeling I got with Armored Core 6's ost. They're gonna try to westernize it and take the kino out.

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>>563440298
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuOFnovRBSY

>>563453967
???
The music in this series was westernized from day one dude

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I just played the holy trinity for the first time. How the Hell did 04's story happen? It's shockingly measured and mature compared to what came immediately after. Insane whiplash going from 13's saga to Nagase and Chopper bitching about war in your ear

>>563453967
The problem with Armored Core 6 OST is that despite the classic Kota Hoshino/FreQuency music still existing in the playlist, somehow FromSoft decided to put the subdued, background temp music on the forefront instead and it's the trend I notice they've been doing for a while now. I doubt PA will do the same in comparison, considering the music is one of the constant praises for the AC series.

>>563462332
5 is the exception, not 04. 3's story was also pretty good and zero tackles a similar message to 5 but is a lot smarter about it.

>>563462332
They knew they bit off more than they could handle at the time for 3's story which is why it never got properly localized, so they intentionally scaled back with 04 and went back to basics for the entire game.

>>563364923
I had forgot about this one its old then they moved on to X-02's on a carrier and later something close to Aigaion

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Now that I think about it, isnt this the first AC where enemy aircraft actually get dynamic bullet decals that correspond to where your bullets land, instead of a generic "damaged" texture that replaces the entire aircraft texture?

>>563465909
I think it is its just shame those bullet decals vanish so quickly.
>Its not like I wouldn't try and write something on one of those airships

>>563470061
>>563470318
Civil aviation is underrated. I really like Airbus planes.

>>563470501
If it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going.

But anything is better than E*braer

does anyone here happen to have Rex's emblem on hand? trying to make something real quick

so i found out the the a-10 is testing out a fuel probe
https://www.twz.com/air/a-10-warthog-being-tested-with-aerial-refueling-probe

ACX really is the Gundam Wing of the series, all the characters say goofy shit unintentionally

>>563462703
The west loves doing nothing-music for retarded ""ambient purposes"" as if vehicular combat can translate that if all. The highest viewed Core vids on youtube are FreQuency albums

Mobius 1

Viper 7

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>>563440298
Friendly reminder that Kobayashi is ONE of many composers for the series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGXnVQ7dj5Q&list=PL1fYuf-kxC8DTS8JLjuVaZBAcrJALnH21

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Night ops.

Why is Zero considered the pinnacle? It feels half baked

>>563462332
It’s really sad how 5 somehow became the blueprint for the franchise instead of 04 or zero. I think 04’s worldbuilding is also exceptionally good compared to all later titles, it’s simply unmatched with it’s setting and grounded sci-fi elements. 5’s whole belka plot is really bad, kind of incredible how zero managed to salvage all the tasteless belka “lore” 5 introduced.

>>563479294
Mission wise it is kind of half-baked but the style is unmatched imo

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I keep going back to these pics with the high altitude contrails. Some real Skycrawlers vibes.

>>563479294
Mechanically it's like a refinement of 4 and 5.
>return of the return line
>Pixy and PJ are more competent individually than any single Wardog/Razgriz member
>less gimmick missions than 5
>less reliance on "blow everything up for half an hour"/score attack missions than 4
>Ace Style and the Gauntlet
I dislike how the tech tree is locked behind mission choices, so it's possible to go a whole playthrough without unlocking your planefu (F-16 my beloved). But after having played it I find it "wrong" to not simply beat it with Cipher's canon Draken and F-15C.

Storywise it's like an in-between of 04's somber storytelling and 5's melodrama. I like all the stories equally, but 5's nadir is probably the lowest out of the three. That said all their peaks are fucking great, the last three missions of 5 are all a sustained peak of RAD

>>563479294
There's almost no gimmick missions and 95% of bosses are air-to-air combat based. Nobody really says anything that's weird enough to make you cringe. The three ace styles are thought out and each ace boss matches the personality of their assigned style. 04 and Zero are okay.

6 has a fanfic story with the cringe dialogue that matches 5. fun gameplay but your allies are too good.

5 doesn't have any redeeming qualities. Blaze doesn't really do anything that stands out. Nagase is retarded and Bartlett hates her. Chopper died because he talked too much instead of dogfighting. The big baddie is some nothing-burger named ASHLEY who is a fucking Assault Record in Zero.

>>563479294
Of the three PS2 games I think it's the most refined. Replaying 5 recently and having the triangle button reselect the same enemy 5 times even if the one I'm trying to target is right in front of me has made me realize how much nicer Zero is to play just by adding the boresight mechanic. The flight model's also better than 04, which has overtuned roll speeds on higher-end planes while yawing might as well not exist.
04 is my favourite because it's quite simple which allows it to be tight and impactful while having a grounded, melancholic atmosphere to it that I really enjoy, but I do think Zero is the best of the three just in terms of gameplay, core mechanics and replayability.

>>563479294
It wasn't too long ago that there'd be no question that you'd see most people championing 5 wherever you went.
To state the obvious, that's just how it is with literally everything.
It doesn't make me, someone who loves Zero, too much happier now that it's Zero's time in the public spotlight.
Who knows how prevailing vocal consensus will shift again?

>>563487126
5 probably has the largest appeal of the trinity because storywise it's the most digestible of them, if that makes sense. It's written like something you'd see air on Toonami in 2004 at 1 AM, if that appeals to you then you'll really like it. It also has a very memorable cast of characters who are all essentially military storytelling stereotypes cranked up to 11. Everything from the hippie who joined the military for some undiscernible reason to the asshole commanders, it's all there. I think that's why I don't like 7's story as much, personally, half the cast is just wasted potential. If you're making a story that's retarded and on the nose, you need good characters to make it work.

>>563484203
>Blaze doesn't really do anything that stands out
He shoots down a spaceship, kills belka's top aces, stops the capital city from getting nuked, all while having to listen to nagase, chopper and grimm's gay bullshit all day every day.

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>>563479294
If more people played X it would be up there alongside 0 I think. It takes all the gameplay improvements made in 5 & 0, but with a story more the style of 4. And the branching paths from mission selection give the player an unmatched level of control over how the campaign proceeds, no other action games have that level of interactivity.
>>563462332
Kono is an art/design guy, so the story for each game is at the whims of whomever he (or Bamco) brings in as a writer. With 4, 5, and 7 that was Sunao Katabuchi,
There is an obvious pattern between 5 and 7 which share the same tropes and flaws but to different degrees. 4 is the exception; based on what I've read it seems he was brought in to do the writing/visuals for the cutscenes of a story which was already completed 'in-house'. But for 5, and later 7, he was brought in from the start and given creative control over the whole script.
This corresponds with criticism for the anime Katabuchi has worked on; which claim he does good adaptations of existing stories, but original works where he has more creative freedom are preachy or melodramatic, with plot-holes or inconsistent pacing.
Unfortunately he is back to do 8 as well, but without the development hiccups which 7 suffered it shouldn't be any worse than 5.

>>563496396
Problem with X is since it's meant to be a portable game most of the missions and really the whole campaign are very short. But also very replayable, I guess.
I don't think they'll ever bring back X's level of campaign branching and revisiting locations because that was easy to do on a small game without crazy production, but it sure would be nice.

>>563496713
Given the theme 8's going with about information warfare it'd be a good opportunity to bring some level of mission choice back. Nothing major, just along the lines of us choosing which part of a larger operation to support, or taking on one mission making the next mission easier/harder.

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I like AC5
Even the cheesy story
Even the gimmick missions

>>563479294
It's because of how memorable its style and characters are.

>>563497413
Same, brother.

Luv me 5
Luv me 4
0 is overrated
Luv me 6

>>563490567
>...grimm's gay bullshit
Don't bully Grimm. He's just a nerdy nugget who has the balls to hijack his instructor's spare plane and sortie while the airbase is being bombed, not his fault that he got became part of the clownshow (affectionate) that is Wardog squadron.

>>563504882
Also, the Japanese version of 3 is overrated and overhyped. And the only reason it’s held in such high esteem is because it was virtually unobtainable in the West.

>>563504882
>>563505857
>le ebin contrarian
yawn

>>563476836
Damn, Scinfaxy, Hrimfaxim Fortress and Excalibur are so good. My favs of this video
Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXu0Mmwm_SU

>>563504882
No, 4 is the overrated one actually

>>563505857
Nah, the story is one of the best parts of it and it's completely missing from the other versions.

long live belka

You know the cloud gimmick in 2 is pretty neat even if it's only relevant for a single mission.
>>563519831
When I was a kid I thought drop tanks were bombs.

>>563490567
Grimm is a good guy, he's polite, listens, grounded and never does anything stupid. If you make dumb yes or no choices he'll call you out on it. He'll yell at you if you try to force a rescue for Nagase in the moment during the snow storm

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>>563529524
after recent studies i found out that belka did nothing wrong

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I was walking along the beach in my city this evening, looking at the sky and the clouds and the airliners on their approach to the airport a few miles south, and god damn bros, what I wouldn't give to be able to fly
I have enough money that I could blow two or three grand on a VR system for flight sims, but not enough money that it would be wise to spend that much on toys tfw no money to have my own plen IRL

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>>563537437
Where there is will there's a way

>>563532271
yeah but remember when he nearly shat himself trying to follow pops
>ahh
>GAH
>woaaahh
>unhhhh
>ack
pretty cringe bro ngl

>>563539089
I hate the term ludonarrative dissonance, but Final Option is a textbook example of it. The route you fly isn't hard at all and the Hawk is really manueverable, the only hard part is staying within range of Pops or else you get a game over.

>>563537801
I think I'd rather live after my flight AND also not go to prison besides the only planes I'd sort of know how to cold start are military, much harder to steal one of those

>>563505052
He literally says 'I will be joining the Wardog squadron' during that mission. As if he'd even be in charge of that.

>>563542383
Who's gonna stop him? The dipshits on the ground who aren't about to take off in a jet fighter? Ha.

>>563543401
Blaze, theoretically, but I suppose it's not like he gives much of a damn.

>>563543401
to be fair he did get off easy on account of the squadron commander getting deus ex AMRAAMina'd in the same mission

>>563544838
Blaze just wants another rookie who'll suck his dick and ask yes or no questions while he's blowing yukes and belkans up.

how does the F-16 manage to look so old school and so sci-fi at the same time

>>563546727
Bubble canopies make planes look at least 35% more sleek

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>>563547012
Damn straight.

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The closest we ever got to an ace combat superweapon megaplane

>>563539089
Yeah, but he's a noob that didn't even finish training, he's got an excuse.

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a wee bit rich coming from the fucking PW guy LOL
this nigga being the lead writer for that brazilian AC3 knockoff turned me off that project so fast

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>>563554364
Flyawaynow has becoming increasingly pretentious since Project Wingman's release. Like congratulations on the game getting released but don't let it go to your head.

People are still owed the Artbook as well as updates to the game.

>>563554364
A fucking what AC3 knockoff

>>563554364
Why is he salty about Ace Combat?

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>>563556501
subconsciously knows no one would have given his shit writing the time of day if he hadnt lucked out on finding the one indiedev who could actually put together a functional AC clone and get it released on schedule

>>563554364
>FAN being a pretentious retard
Must be a day ending in y.

I literally do not remember a single thing from the PW writing and lore other than some guy at the end was really autistically pissed off at me and nuked everything to shit.

>>563557014
and then the pacific northwest got turned into orange fanta
THE END

>>563555294
https://x.com/flyawayn0w/status/2042627564036825331

It's called supermaneuver

>>563558513
Damn and it actually looks good too, what a shame.

can you take it all away?

>>563549265
The Phantoms slung under the wings like missiles is really funny.

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>>563554364
What the fuck is gook motherfucker smoking? PW has ZERO lore whatsoever, just vague implications and the worldbuilding outside of the main conflict might as well not exist. The setting is so underdeveloped it's insane. In fact I'd hardly call it a setting at all, certainly not one that could expanded into a sequel or prequel without fucking up what solid elements it does have. And unlike AC, PW doesn't have the excuse of having it's setting retconned like 5 times because it took them a while to really decide what they wanted this series to even be. And people will worship the ground this guy walks on just because it's muh indie project taking on the big guy. At least RB decided it was better to go radio silent than run his mouth on Twitter, I'd still prefer a statement about why the post launch support has been so delayed though. I'm not letting this clown ruin my enjoyment of PW or interest in Supermaneuver though. I hope that game is good.

Christ what is it with some indie devs and writers having an ego the size of the moon? For every chill one it feels like there's at least 2 morons who are addicted to social media.

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>>563478035
>So doing this mission with a Hornet glow skin.

>>563565153
> just vague implications
That’s what “lore” has meant ever since Dark Souls became popular.

>>563557014
Oh NO NOT THE BEE'S!!!!!!
YOU DID THIS!!!
Orange everywhere
That covers it

>>563554364
That sucks... you start out as a huge fan you make a game because you like the series so much then it because AC's only competition and your ego explodes.

>>563565153
Do you know what lore is?

>>563575705
Yeah it's that thing YouTubers make videos about so people can talk about games they've never played.

lore? more like SNORE
i aint readin that shit!

>>563585591
I heard once that B*lkans read. And I'll be damned if I act like some damn dirt B*lkan.

>>563554364
If he was talking about, like, Maxx0r or something he'd be probably well over a year or so late but I'd be inclined to agree.
As it stands I have zero clue who he's even quote tweeting about, and I doubt any other outsider looking in does either.
also, we back?

>>563590559
I actually know what this is in reference too, it's some dumbass meme video of a guy who went on a loredump about Ace Combat in a Discord server. Someone turned it into a video set to Agnus Dei.

>>563554364
>literal nobody whose biggest credit is writing the dumb story to an indie clone of an established franchise, talking shit about said franchise for no reason
What turns people into cunts like this?

>>563590720
Huh.
I just realized I misread the tweet, I thought he was referring to the meme making people think that Ace Combat didn't have something to it other than the surface-level memes about Zero and whatnot, not that it made people think that Ace Combat *had* lore in the first place.
FAN continues to be amazingly consistent at making me like him less and less with each tweet he makes.

>>563591126
The guy worked on a relatively successful game, and that very game he was involved in was being compared favorably to its bigger original franchise, which he was inspired by. Naturally that sort of success will inflate one's ego a lot.

>>563592221
>relatively successful game, and that very game he was involved in was being compared favorably to its bigger original franchise
And none of the praise had anything to do with the writing

>>563599474
Friendly reminder that Arby and Jose Pavli did literally fucking everything for PW besides the silly writing, and that Arby was << Our Guy >> while gameplay was still being developed. It sucks that the dude who contributed the worst part of the game has become its spokesperson, but at least even all the casual reviewers recognized that game mechanics cool music gud story silly and ORANGE.

Also shoutout to Comic Anon for At Skies' Edge. Keep on trucking buddy, one day it'll be where you want it to be.

I've just remembered I never played the PW dlc
Is it good

>>563596738
>Both planes forgot to lock wings down
>Both planes took off wings up
>Both planes kept flying the entire time
When Navy aviators to aerodynamics to go fuck itself

>>563607084
i thought it was pretty enjoyable
it's got a very fun tunnel run too

>>563591126
I think it's the same ego problem as mod authors, but at least indie devs have more credit due since they actually create a game from scratch rather than leeching off another developer's work

>the one where you hug the trees to fly under the radar
>the one where you go into some sort of tunnel
>the one where if you go too fast or pull too much G you asplode
>the one where if you fly above an arbitrary altitude you trigger the undodgeable SAM
>the one where you have to stop some incompetent retard or some incompetent cunty asshole from getting killed while they're extremely annoying on radio
>other (specify)
Which classic gimmick mission would you ban from AC forever

>>563609195
>the one where if you go too fast or pull too much G you asplode
We all hate Time Limit with a passion

What is with the captcha today its sooooo fucking slow

>>563609195
>the one where if you go too fast or pull too much G you asplode
Easiest choice in my fucking life
I love ACX but Time Limit sucks a million dicks

>>563609827
Something bizarre's going on with the server, I got a bunch of bad gateway errors earlier in the day.
I am glad this thing that isn't particularly great at stopping bot spam in the first place is now doing its best at making the site as unusable as inhumanly possible.

>>563609195
The one where you have to sync your missile strikes with your allies so they all have the same time on targe. Fucking Wardog, it's probably the worst mission in the game. At least Pops' baby rollercoaster ride is mindless and boring and not just infuriating.

tunnel runs and staying out of the radar blobs are so unnecessary at this point and they're barely ever fun at all, I'd get rid of those

The guy that writes Sentenced to be a Hero took the idea from an unexpected place.

>How did the original concept for Sentenced to Be a Hero come about?

>Rocket Shokai: There's a game called Ace Combat 7. It includes several episodes where the protagonist fights as part of a penal unit, and I found that aspect of the story extremely compelling. It made me want to explore something similar more deeply, but within a fantasy setting that I personally enjoy.

>>563607084
Feddies did nothing wrong

>>563613992
Say what you want about PW's writing but Frontline 59 did a really good job making you wanna commit Total Cascadian Death. It really makes their rebellion look less like a noble cause against an evil empire and more like a total chimpout that's gonna send the entire world to Hell again. But the Federation does ultimately pull the trigger on that second apocalypse.

>>563613992
Feddies are also assholes who rely on one nation too much (for resources and military manpower) and apparently treat it so poorly that they fomented separatism. Not that Cascadia's much better, literally selling their souls and the future of their country to some mercs just to spite the Feds.

You know, maybe Crimson One was accidentally onto something. Maybe Calamity needs to come again and to restart this twisted game.

>>563607084
The tone is louder and the slight music change
makes 75% of this. And by that it's bombastic, where base PW is a bit more subtle. It's good. The music is much better this time.

The story itself is still a mess where characters talk about shit you have no idea about. Apparently something happened in Australia and it was a really big deal and this is why Cascadians are feral psychos. The dude who writes PW does the weirdest antagonists that always land with "....oooohkay.". It's so a shame too that people compare a badly written eugenic crazed thot with a "do it for the lulz" torres.

F-117 playable in 8
Yes? No?

>>563621716
Wouldn't mind if it was there, wouldn't mind if it wasn't there.

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>>563621716
Hell yes.

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>>563622185
It could be Kono has gone full carrier time and we get carrier variants along with the production model this time
We got A-6F it had like prototype made I could easily see why don't we add some paper variants

>I hope we get this livery for her

>>563612584
Well, since the anime only has twelve episodes I think I'll check it out, in honor of Spare Squadron

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I'm glad the F-18 is finally getting a lead role in an AC game
It's unironically my favorite of the teen series and I'm tired of seeing the F-22 as the cover plane

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>Nuclear Option devs sniffed all of the cocaine and made a swingwing stealth bomber with four engines and an escape capsule

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https://x.com/PROJECT_ACES/status/2043886968358965393

Google translate decided she wanted to be silly today.

>>563630929
They didn't sniff a thing they just went
F-111 but stealth.

>>563631137
I hope they've found a way to make the weather effects matter without making them a pain in the ass to deal with.

>>563609195
Four horsemen

Infinity's Memorial video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHYiAUFeqZk

>Auto dub was on by default
>Thanks YT
>Out of now where you hear a random H then a P finally the AI tries to sound like a chicken.
lamo

>>563636506
Maybe we'll get that damn release date revealed when it reaches AC8.

October 20th, 2026

>>563636506
the game that funded ac7 and showed that there was still interest in series

>>563636506
>>563640026
and we're probably getting a sequel in the form of ac8's mp

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More AC6 updates in pic rel.
Also, the dev reverted the native 60FPS patch (for now) as
>it caused too many bleeding edge bugs and randomly broke things related to Asset loading in cutscenes. I'll return to it after i fix up the renderer some more

>>563659896
>the rendering code is garbage
wow it's almost like it was made for a 20 year old console with a custom OS, not modern windows systems

>>563667023
On a completely different CPU architecture, no less.
Side note: Why did they go with PowerPC for the 360? Every other Xbox has been x86

>>563636506
I just want to play AC:I again mayne.

STUPID 4CHAN GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER MAN

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>>563667326
Wish granted but better.

Odds of seeing the following in 8
F-15sEX
The current model for Tempest
Sota using Tejas
Qaher-313 being a playable joke plane

>>563670850
>EX
high
>Tempest
slim
>Tejas
lol
>Qaher 313
lol

>>563670850
>Tejas
It'd be neat but I'm doubtful on if we'll see planes from any new countries. I think it'd be cool to see some off-the-beaten-path aircraft but PA seems to be very autistic in licensing any planes that aren't Russian.
South Korea passing on licensing is unfortunate, and I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to license the F-CK-1 from Taiwan and got rejected as well.
I don't think mainland China ever granted/grants licensing for their stuff. The only properly licensed Chinese plane in a video game I can think of is DCS's Jeff-17 because they got theirs through Pakistan.

>Jane's Advanced Strike Fighters has a hurricane dogfight against a PAK-FA just like Assault Horizon
>both games released a month apart
Funny when shit like this happens.

>>563667321
At the time Intel was on top of the world and charging way too much, AMD was hovering on the brink of death, and 1st party silicon wasn't a thing yet.

IBM was the only company that would do a deal with Microsoft within the margins that a $400 console would allow. It wasn't unique, either. PS3 Cell processor was also PowerPC based.

>Jane's Advanced Strike Fighters has a hurricane dogfight against a PAK-FA just like Assault Horizon
>both games released a month apart
Funny when shit like this happens.

>>563674085
>>563674269
Oh fuck you 4chan I kept getting a connection. What the hell is going on? It's been weird since yesterday.

>>563674085
>>563674269
Ey boss, when the site throws a post error it usually still posts it anyways, you don't have to try again.
Nothing on this site works like it ought to, for fucks sake.

>>563674371
Epstein estate forgot to pay the bills

>>563674371
They fired the Belkan IT guy and hired an Sota guy who works for 1/5th the pay. Now we are all paying for it.

>>563674392
>>563674601
I wish the Sharty hack had actually killed this godforsaken website for good. If it wasn't for /aceg/ and /m/ I'd never come here.

>>563668729
I thought it was just me.

>>563673694
DCS also has a J-11 but it's a simplified FC3-level plane and basically a reskinned Su-27
I remember reading that the JF-17 devs have a finished sim of the J-10 and could release it for DCS the moment they got permission from China, but who knows if that would ever happen

>>563676408
I don't understand why anyone needs permission from the Chinese for anything desu. How does something like War Thunder have a gorillion chink planes while DCS and other flight games can barely have one?

>>563676625
Because War Thunder isn't a sim that models the real workings of critical components like radar, countermeasures and weapons, the chinese planes there are just 3D models with a tuned mig-15 flight model just like every other jet

>>563676625
Entirely about whether or not the developers wish to seek out permission in the first place. DCS does it probably out of necessity for the sake of accuracy, PA probably does it because Kono is autistic (and makes it easier for the studio to laser-scan real examples of planes, in recent times).
It's also about the laws of where the devs are based out of, and the attitude of the license holders towards unlicensed portrayals of their products.
And, perhaps, Bamco also may see China as a valuable market and believes that treading into potential license disputes with the Chinese government is not worth the risk.
Lots of different reasons.

Can't wait to see how much of the DCS F-35 will be completely made up I'll probably still buy it anyway