Visual Novel General #7536This general is for the discussion of English-translated Japanese visual novels.All posting of untranslated visual novels belongs on >>>/jp/E-celeb shitposting is not allowed.Kindly use spoiler tags appropriately when discussing plot spoilers to facilitate smooth discussion.>Having trouble with your VN? Try the following before you ask for tech support:1. Be in Japanese locale2. Read the Readme3. Check https://rentry.org/4chan-vn-help4. Copy error messages with CTRL+C and paste them with CTRL+V into DeepL5. Google it>FAQs, Recommendations, and Other Useful Things:https://chartanon.github.io/moechart/https://files.catbox.moe/j3dd0n.pnghttps://github.com/marisukukise/japReader>Need a novel with a specific element?https://vndb.org/g>Download Links:https://rentry.org/4chan-vn-linksPrevious thread: >>563440671
I need more enemies to lovers kino
I need more friends to lovers kino
>>563489707I dont remember reading anything like that any examples?
>>563489848Dies irae
>>563489848Redman and Blueman.
>>563489979HomoKINO
favorite vn you have read in the year 2026?
Confess...
>>563490213i haven't read any VNs in 2026
>>563490213https://vndb.org/v30807
>>563490245i have had lewd thoughts about some of the witches even though they're 15
Need more vns that explore prostate pleasures
>>563490459Play Great Deceiver.
>>563490387It's okay, there's no way I'll ever believe Margot is under 22 years old
gmsirs
>>563490520With no futa ot shit shitjo art, preferably
>>563490917Sei Shoujo's art is the hottest though.
>SEAhours startingGood night, /vn/
>>563490984Maybe after taking gallons of semen in the ass, faggot.
>>563490213ruin hunter raichi
Why do megane/class rep heroines never look like this?
>>563492428It's always uggos like this
>>563492428Would become too powerful and overshadow everyone else.
>>563490213I don't read vn's because I'm not some anime nerd.
>>563490387Get in.
What is ranceges gameplay to reading ratio? And is gameplay even good?
>>563493939dialogue is generally brief and straight ot the point so probably 70-30 gameplay to reading. Gameplay is good, maybe a bit aged.
>Writer ghosts for over a year>Out nowhere he comes back and announces Aselia remake, coming out maybe this year even.I REALLY wasn't expecting that.
>>563494252>remake:OOOOO
>>563494049Hmmm maybe worth treating it as non-vn and just read something else along it, the series will take me forever to finish anyway and i heard it can get grindy.
>>563494252real? link?
>>563490710She's literally a minor.
>>563494363Minor (early bloomer)
>>563494320https://ci-en.net/creator/11851/article/1775357https://ci-en.net/creator/36204/article/1777985
>>563494510Nice.
Please work and let me be unbanned...
>>563494739OH YEAHHHHHH LET THE PROSTRATION BEGIN8===D~~ @O@ ~~ᗡ===88===D~~ @O@ ~~ᗡ===88===D~~ @O@ ~~ᗡ===88===D~~ @O@ ~~ᗡ===8
>type-shit corders sleeping>good/comfy threadalways the case kek
>>563494834It's 15:36 in their part of the world
redrizzler here this thread gon be bussin ong fr fr no cap
>>563494825I missed even (You) and (You) are one of the biggest monkeys I have seen in this general...
>finish demonbane>sequel's translation gets released the day afteri am literally the main character of this simulation
You are one character in a long line of protagonists
>>563494984
>>563494314>i heard it can get grindy.Kinda, not really? The grindiest game (base Rance Quest) had so many patches before getting localized that you have a in-game double exp and gold option to cheese through everything. Sengoku Rance is very anti-grind if you're just beating the story, you just use the characters as you get them. Every from 6 onwards is pretty long though. You could enjoy Rance 01 and 02 since they are pretty short.
>>563494363I keep imagining trying to pat her on the head and making her flinch.
should I read Demonbane 2 or Eien no Aselia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMPBTIdenkkGoing through a "life-changing" read really feels like you took a pill that makes you feel like this world is real and that you exist here... that this is your reality, and the one you go through when you wake up, go to the toilet, and sleep is the fake one... we only exist online, this is our reality, if it wasn't? the world would have not allowed it to exist... for a universe this vast to be inside our own vast universe... we live in multi-universes but in the same one... this is not science... this is magic... the scientists of today are hacks who are very slow in doing things because they don't believe in magic, the best scientists? they are people you don't know about and use magic mainly to do everything that would shatter brains... those things being the computers and the internet... a small universe you can hold in one of your hands, yet it is so vast, the human brain can't comprehend it, and it is ever-growing and never-ending... reaching new levels that we who are living in this age would have never imagined it to reach them... our lives and souls in the current internet? will be forgotten for the future generations even if we left our legacy for them..we are under the mercy of the server masters who can delete our whole self in one click of a button..all of our works and years..our life itself that is living in this digital world could be gone whenever they like..doesn't this make them too powerful? should a human being really be allowed to have this much power? giving the soul and taking it is something exclusive to God. even if the spirits and devils did their best, all they can do is take it..but they don't give life..but those humans with their new-age magic now can make you live a second life inside a new-verse, and they also can take this life..how is this fair? how is it fair for us to live twice and also die twice? we can't live forever in the first world..why can't we live forever in the digital world?
>>563495354Yeah i intent to play all the games so im guessing it will take a while, just going to play it along other vns so i dont get burnt out.
>>563495238you wouldn't have been reading in english if you were kek
>>563496049@groksummarize this in 2 lines max
>>563496965Heaven Burns Red (ヘブンバーンズレッド, Hebun Bānzu Reddo) (stylized in block capitals) is a free-to-play mobile role-playing video game[citation needed] co-developed by WFS, Inc. and Key. It was released on February 10, 2022, for iOS and Android in Japan.
The blooming factor is the same as the witch factor.
>Eleonore's daughter helps her fight LisaKINO. She should desintegrate from pure seethium alone.>declared she dislikes women>is the manliest female in castAin't no way she's losing given Masada's thoughts on the matter
>>563496049Good prose unironically
https://youtu.be/IJp0wz78o2o?t=6058I like how she keeps trying to force in Meruru even though she died like 3 trials ago.
We love used goddesses here.
>>563497963Why are you talking about yourself in third person?
>>563498502she deserves to have a route where it only consists with her being humiliated for the entire story.
I haven't played an Asa pro game, which would you recommend?
I love Karen
Kazusa still living rent free in my head even if im already done with wa2 :/Also picking up majikoi to read after wa2 was a good choice ng.l
>>563498841Why? She never did anything deserving such punishment.
We love Karenposter, AIsis, Detbro, Manager, 1788king, Floodbro, JOPcuties and every other /vn/cutie... make this general a general of love~
>>563499379~GOOD END~
>>563499379>Karenposter>not Karenschizo
>>563499379
>>563499924Meant for >>563489979>>563494956
Im a complete newfag when it comes buyfagging i have only two dakis and thats it.Was going to buy kazusa and chachamaru figurine/daki as remembrance of great vn and i loved them that much, also might as well support the devs because i pirate everything. Anyway i found out its all limited and gets sold out quickly, so its over basically? Expecting new merchandise from such old works are out of question, bro how fucked am i? I guess i will keep checking amiami with some false hope :/
But legit, finishing a ~life-changing~ ge really changes you as a person... Like am only feeling butterflies and flowers for like the last 2 days since I finished another story from Maeda-sensei... my life got changed 3 times and they were with Heaven Burns Red, Angel Beats! 1st Beat and MOON. the first 2? they made me incapable of playing anything else after finishing them and I just feel so filled emotionally... while the last one? it was like living through a nightmare that lasted for a couple of days... I don't even remember what I was doing throughout it other than how I felt very cheap and not like my usual self... it did change me... but that change? it was one that felt like it turned me into something very rotten and bad... which is amazing for a vn to do when am so much in love with myself...
>>563500202it's always funny when japoids start frothing at the mouth about pirating because muh supporting the authors but are completely fine with buying second hand stuff
>>563489580Fuck you all with the nitroslop bullshit generlas
>>563500338The better vn is the emptier i feel after finishing it ng.l
>>563500202>because i pirate everythingmight as well just donate your money directly to publishers if you're going to be a retard
>>563500361Uhhh im not a jop? And i dont want re sale shit i only intend to buy brand new merchendise.And just felt alittle bit guilty about pirating kamiges, all there is to it not that deep.
>>563500401???
>>563500364Where?
I love her, bros...
She's so great
>>563500930Does she even get a pissing scene or is Yuzusoft just yanking my chain?
Will it ever be topped?
>>563501115*cackles*
>>563501115You mean Shiturashi itself topping this? Don't think so. This was the most chuuni/fun moment in the whole 200 dreadful read... Rena deserved to be in a better ge with a better writer ,-,
>>563501291https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDV6T5u5bUk
PAPAPAI PAPAPAI OPPAI IPPAI
Makai Tenshi Djibril when
Don't be dead when am around...
>>563492517She is pretty though
>>563502792kys dul8===D~~ @O@
>>563502792Dead medium
>>563502872Agreed. She's pretty pretty.
Very cute and smart for a retard.
The fallen JOPs
>>563499379w-w-where's dvll??? @_@
>>563503304We love Kotomi here. Do not be mean to Kotomi. She is way smarter than you.
MTLmong kys.
>>563502960My favorite route and heroine in Extra
what am i in for???
>>563504368Dunno, ask >>>/jp/
>>563504449it's translated tho
>>563503304god, old keys art ages like leftover milk in an old smelly fridge
>>563503754>the N5 JOPs who still can't tell the difference between>し & レ>ツ & ツ>ソ & ン
>>563503862I like her too, doesn't mean she isn't a little bit special though.
>>563504930you forgot>カ力>ロ口囗
he's literally me
Kill all JOPs
>>563504684Kys
I felt like playing a bit of Dracu Riot during my lunch break (I work remotely and live with my parents who are right behind me during this break I'm a loser, I know. But I love them so much I hope this will go on for years and years. Too bad by father is 80 already). 2 minutes into it, I see this. I don't think I can continue playing. Back to Octopath Traveler 0 I go.
Revive all JOPs
>5 minutes in>rape out of nowherewtf is wrong with japanese
I want to blogpost the trapge or even the shit Liar-soft... but am still going through the life-is-changed-syndrome so I really can't read and my body is also sensitive from yesterday... and I know that if I share my feelings about HBR here I will annoy /vn/cuties and I don't want to annoy my friends...
>>563505390nah, I don't feel like kissing my sister
Do you like it when moebutas appear in a VN?
>>563504930>>563505086
Aoko owes me sex.
>>563505715kill yourself
divine comedy reference???
>>563504930Im not a jop and i can tell difference?
>Aoko owes me sex.
>>563504930Such similar characters just show that Japanese is an inferior language.
>>563505715I say this
>>563505989Forgot to mention that I look like this >>563505856
>>563505881It's owari for EOPs
>>563505498I'll do it for you then
>>563505782everyone does that now
>>563505881>O 0>l I>w is called "double u" when it's 2 Vs>B 8>6 b>2 Z
>>563506105AI can tell them apart, so we EOPgods don't need to care.
>>563506138you will always be the worst poster in this general
>>563506105That's chinese doe
god bad end 1, she got gang graped by mogeko and her dying moans were kinda hot, thought an h-cg would've made this ge a lot better
>>563506241Hey, at least I am number one at something lmaoooo
>graping JKs is a-OK!>bad english words? that's crossing the line
>>563505881Like my nigga george garret said nipponjin are savage yellow monkeys.
>the most genius/prettiest girl in the whole world>she believes in (You)Other Vinnies with this type of heroine?
Would you still like Akiha if she was green?
>>563507078I don't love Akiha, so no. But green is the worst hair color along with pink, so she'd be a worse heroine.
>>563507078Make her ruddy brown
Very organic posts VNmongs
>>563507142>But green is the worst hair colorThis will make ToHeart fans really angry
I cant bring myself to care about moege girls, almost on gachachit level disinterest and im not saying this to be an asshole, right now im reading majikoi and im enjoying the casual romance but none of those girls will live rent free in my head like kazusa or chachamaru or micher does(few examples) Cant help but wonder why is that the case? Too little hardships to make the relationship meaningful? No struggle/problems to overcome to add emotional weight? Really cant put in words the reason i wonder if its just my tism acting up or is there anyone else like that.
>I don't love Akiha
>joke old man is behind everything
Type-shitters raiding.
>>563507452Homura-chan....
>>563507430*sad buhiii noises*
Do you use /vn/ inspired insults irl? For example I told a dude that I hoped his mom will have sex with Others and he started crying like a bitch.
>>563507430My waifu is from a gacha game and she's so perfect I have no interest in playing moege. No other heroine could compete with her.
>>563507797Lemme guess... the ateshi-onna?
gachaCHADs keep winning.
>>563505763What's the matter?
>>563507887She uses atashi, watashi, her name or "this" followed by her name as a first person pronoun.
>>563508172Maybe that type-moon hater? Love Mahoyo btw.
>>563505856>>563506096He looks pretty high IQ, just look at his glasses.
>>563505410Didnt moogy translate this. What a legend.
>>563507795Couple of days ago I was mentally unwell so I went on TF2 and I was saying lots of mean things in the chat, one of the players was Polish and I told him about AIsir and what he goes through here and what anons say about him. He told me our community seems like a shithole so I bullied him more to take revenge for us and to save our name from belittlement V-V
>>563505410Wish my dad would croak so that I could get a handsome inheritance paycheck already
My favourite little homo
>>563507430I mean that just means you don't enjoy majikoi that much no? Why do you need someone to point this out?
>>563507430I had this reaction reading MLA. There is no moege that could get close to the entire Meiya arc.
>>563508428Me too.
>>563509497 (Me)Forgot to mention that what I meant here is that I hate type-shit too.
>>563508574Sexy, stupid Aoko... (ToT)
I love TL notes.
i love how the retards keep spamming the same posts for years and years kek red garden never happening gog
>>563509551Wrong, dumb mutt.
>>563509253I do enjoy reading majikoi and laugh out loud often and it doesnt feel like a drag reading it, but like i said i doubt any of those girls will live rent free in my head, hoefully im wrong.
>>563507430OG majikoi's girls are all pure dogshit, read the sequel and fandisk, girls there are a million times better.
>>563508608>AIsirNow there's a name I haven't seen in a long while
>>563510082Fuck you
Qruppo status?
>Please do not recreate Kageaki's actionsThx moogy ok
Yeah no, I aint figuring out whether these should be capitalized. Fuck you masada. Anything but the direct address can eat shit
they aren't subtle about the """implied""" grape
Wha. I was sure she's gonna get serious instead of tanking it
Nobody cares, kys pollack spammer
VN's that feature 日本グリッシュ dialogue?
>>563510648Many have been saying this.
>Ice-ScreamKINO
>>563510521>grapeThe algorithm has trained you well
>>563510648He need to teach all the thread how to JOP like him and to forcefully turn all EOPs into JOPs... I think /vn/cuties would start caring more if this happened~
>>563510934it's an easy way to get (You)s from chuds
>>563511005>I was just pretending to be retarded
>>563511056unalive yourself
>>563510950This must be Heaven Burns Red, right?
kys, zoomtranny
>>563510934>>563511056Please don't be so mean to the zoomers, they don't know any better...
I. Need. War. Kino. Now.
>>563510521R*ddit is 2 blocks down on the right, kid. Don't hit yourself on your way out
>>563511243Many have been saying this
Kek, done that zoomer freak.
>>563511243If you can bear looots of sex with others, NTR and gentlemen of the swarthy complexion, read Muramasa.
>>563511405Not enough war. Not nearly enough.
>>563511167Jun MaedaKEYnoMANYOerogamescapesteamr/visualnovels
>>563511280>>563511226dumb newfags kek
>>563507430Read Muramasa>b-butRead Muramasa
>>563504930>ツ & ツBro...................
>>563511113
>>563511880>>563511243
I want to have sex with others ngl
>>563511934Can't read...
>>563511961
I want to have sex with AB-chan
>>563511961Karen...
>no buta mcButabros...I can't self-insert!
>>563511627kill yourself
>>563511627Nigga i said chachamaru is one of my favorites ofcourse i have read muramasa
>>563511880Too bad this isn't translated, looks pretty interesting
>>563512071Try to do anything to me and your fate will be sealed~
>>563512415What if he's cute
>>563512242You just did the>b-but I have read itthat I've mentioned. I am 2 steps ahead bitch.
>>563512502I really doubt he is cuter than the guys I know which I also don't view like that at all. Am simply built for women. This is how us, biological men are built like~
>>563512636You're not into cute traps or femboys?
What vns should I recommend to my Kurdish gf?
can someone explain why poodul is larping as 2 different people now?
>>563512764She'll enjoy abdul bea.. I mean angel beats
>>563512703>traps or femboysDon't mix fiction with real life. I like them in fiction but the ones in real life... they just don't seem right, I don't mind them existing... but to be in a relationship with them?... I think if I like the personality of them so much, I would make a man out of them and fix them... this is IF I was a girl, but am a man so why the hell should I do it? Am not into men at all!
>>563513098>Am not into men at all!Just what I'd expect to hear from someone who's about to lose to the cock.
If she was really a dude she wouldn't insist that she's a dude in every post
It would be quite welcome
>>563513098I will give you my baby
KIMIKAAAAAA!!!
>>563512793Look at the timing dum-dum... INB4 "VIP or 2 IPS" you really think am a hacker/cracker/coder to do this?...
Blogpost Josou Kaikyou
>>563513314word on the street is that you have a top tier bussy???
>>563513449That's my bf you are talking to.
>>563513449I'm taken! Leave me alone!
lmaohahahahaha holy shit what a nuke
>>563513416I really really REALLLLY don't want to take a shower... but if I used the toilet to R07, and the timing was correct, I would blogpost it and then go finish the cohabitation nukige I got only 2 CGs left in and finish the last couple of h-scenes from part 2 of Monster Quest Girl... after that I will take a shower and clean the filth of being an nukigeMONG out of me...
>>563513604no one is perma taken
>>563512632Take your meds
>>563513098I will make a woman out of you and fix you.
Pretty nice tits
When you see a loli!
>>563513604>I'm takenEven you bussy?
>>563513604Who’s the lucky guy?
I want long oppai
>>563513604I hope you know that we are all joking and shit
>>563514140This, I specifically want torpedo tits. I want hag saggers.
>>563513098Make a man out of him >>563513314
What old posters do you miss the most?
It's Muramasa Monday!
>>563514405Kuonanon
>>563514405Redman
>>563513604We still love you as long as you are a virgin like us.*insert Takuji ramblings scrawled on the wall*
>>563514405Distorted shinji soundposter
>>563514405Aquanon
>>563514413Muramasa if drawn by NamanikuATK
>>563514413Such a shame that such a delicious brown is wasted on NTRmasa.>>563514448Same dev as the reincarnation vinny, yeah? I gotta read more of their stuff, I though-roughly enjoyed the aforementioned and look back on it often.
>>563514405EOP Kotomine Kirei
>>563514405I remember checking the archive before I started reading Angel Beats! 1st Beat to see if anons here talked about the TL or some secret patch here or there, and there was like only 10 posts in all of /vg/'s history? it was mostly 1 anon talking about it... I wish he was here to be my eternal ally...
>>563514552Die uminegro! you don't belong in /vn/>>563514413Based
>>563514715kek
>>563513992She's maybe the best girl
>>563514715I thought he was holding a big pair of pantsu from the thumbnail.
>>563514547Who?
>>563514531He's not a virgin
>>563514676only you are obsessed with this kusoge
Why would anyone name their VN uminegro or ntrmasa
>>563515037 (Me)Meant to say KINOge, sorry <3
>>563514531bro lost his virginity last year to a foid
Why would anyone name their VN raging poop
>>563514965That would have been a war crime.
billboard top 100 material right herehttps://soundcloud.com/rokuhara/ame-no-you-ni-namida-ga-ochiru/s-inlWOd4ZLb0?in=rokuhara/sets/rokuharas-best//s-aH3VreiWF1L
>>563515246HFK
Why would anyone name their VN Kusomasa
Why would anyone name their VN UmiNEGRO
>>563515246Thanks hara
>>563514967old dude who used to lament about how his ex wife didn't let him see their kids
The fabled rokuhara scientist replaces the mc of the last vn you've read, how does it change?
>>563515469He makes it better in every conceivable way(making lovers first blush)
>>563515469>Rokuhara outsmarting YukoMuv-Luv goes from a 8/10 to a 11/10
>>563515449Temu blonde meido
>>563509394MLA was just ok. A little overrated if you ask me.
>>563515763We're not talking about sca-ji's cock
>>563515763It was pretty bad.
>>563515469Ame no natsuHe fucks mc hot mom
>heroine gets raped>"heh your small cock could never satisfy me as much a mc-kun's cock">you manage to save her before the villain shoots his sperm deep inside her wombIs it cuckshit at this point? Even if the heroine didn't enjoy it?
Who names their VN, Mano Mackerel
>>563516081it's NTR if he kissed her
>>563515246Hara Levelling
What did nasu mean by fate stay night
>>563516081If the villain fucks her vagina it's NTR. If he fucks her ass then it isn't.
How would you react if you caught your 27 years old son reading Flowers?
>>563516179Reminder that Nasu translated into English "My body is made of swords" as "I am the bone of my sword".
I don't give a fuck about sex in VNs anymore. I'm tired of porn.
>>563516334MHBST
>>563516310Stab him and and whisper on his ear "this is for Rokuhara Scientist"
>>563516310Praise him for good taste.
>>563516334ngl i do have goon fatigue
>>563516258I've read some doujinshi with this concept. Do the japs really not count it as cheating if the girl only gets fucked in the poop hole?
>>563516310i'd run the fuck out and call the police because i don't have a son
>>563516448Yes? Only her vagina matters.
Rusalka and tentacles, eh. Kinda kino but why the clothes on that thing?
>>563516482It's your wife's son.
>>563516310"No way you're gonna cum like that! No all-ages yurige is gonna satisfy you! I'll bring Starless to pay tribute, right!? You getting me, son!?"
vns for this feel?
>>563516660Hentai Prison
>>563513314Right! Before I forget, look what you did to my music recap T0T
>>563515246Rokuhara scientist thread next onegai
>>563516489So you'd be okay with your real life gf to let random men throatfuck her and cum in her ass, so long as she reserves her pussy for you?
>>563516817She can't get pregnant by that, so why does it matter?
>>563516817I'd like that.
>>563510284Too busy milking animefags to release a new ge
>>563489580>See a physical copy of Albatross on ebay for $120ish>Agonize over buying it for weeks>Finally do it>Seller instantly cancels my orderHey, come on...
>>563516924Based Battler
oof.Brutal. Don't let her hear that.Last two aren't really spoilers unless u care about CGs I guess, but its kinda late in the game so
>>563516875GIWTWM
>>563516989By last two I mean this and last, not >>563513736 don't get atri'd
>>563516965deserved for being a stinky jop just like that dude who got his tsuki og copy ruined by tsa
>>563516965DO you even know yapanese little bro?
>>563516875BASED. That looks better than usual too, some new model out?
>>563516817Nta but as long as she won't let the dude touch her mouth or pussy I don't care
>>563517128The seller could sense this was a baby n5 jop and cancelled the order on principle
>>563515246>Tribute to my love.....>You getting me general? into jp repeatI lost it
>>563516585>Muramasa referenceElite ball knowledge
>>563517137It was released two months ago, but it now have google search integrated to it, so it can bake faster and smarter
>>563517310support rokuhara scientist by migrating to his thread and following his socials!
If you turn into a VN heroine would you let rokuhara fuck you?
What do the jap Muramasa fans think about our obsession with the scientist?
>type-shitter JOP-wanna-be getting BTFO'd by real JOPsLove to see it always happening kek
literally untroonslatable
>>563517624>EmaNo, I'd tell him to die.
>>563517696My brain is expanding
I want to rape Reinhard
>>563517624Sure, if he paid me enough. Anal is extra and he'd need to wear a condom.
Siblings need to kiss more
>>563517624maybe if he was a darker shade, he is not black enough
Fuck off, chuunifaggot
lolThe kinda 'the only one who can torment my man is me' situation
>>563517624Who wouldn't
>fuck off x>fuck off y>fuck off zwho the FUCK is welcome here???
>>563516817Why are you responding to a bait
>>563517897Her.
>>563517897JOPs
chachamaru???
>>563517897>who the FUCK is welcome here???Literally everyone except type-shitters, duhh?
>>563517897Lolis with pubes, and those who read and enjoy vinnies.In short: the universe owes me a pube loli already! Lolibaba is good too!
>>563517775Read your first VN /a/turd
>>563518036this
>>563517897moeGODS are always welcome
>>563518103'duII...
>>563517656Aren't japs most NTRfags? I guess Otou-san and Rokuhara shitposts would be really popular there
>>563518206Murasamefags are not welcome here
>>563518206Agreed, buhi~
uwaaa~
Literally me.
Seeing how there are lots of /vn/cuties who hate type-shit really makes me feel comfy and happy to be around sane posters. The internet is really infested with those type-shitters, I filtered most of them so I don't see their posts anymore, but am happy to see my allies still fighting back against the evil side of the industry. Always remember how they caved for gacha AND all-ages while making tons of money even as an eroge company... they really sold-out just to make more money and not to stay alive like the other poor vn makers...
Yes, we hate type-shitter here
>>563518206Fuck off scatfag
>>563518560If Summer Pockets was written by NTRahara.
>>563518560If Summer Pockets was written by SHITsu. He would make all the girls used-good like he did with the other type-shit girls kek
>>563518632...then it would've been worth reading.
>>563518720...for gentlemen with a taste for NTR.
>>563517897
>>563518560Honestly key heroines are peak NTR material
>>563518697Literally nothing wrong with a girl having experience.
>>563518697Rin isn't used goods and does Roa drinking Arc's blood really count?
>>563518825>>563518036then stop crying about aiGOD and abDULL
oh no no no no the type-shitters are throwing a melty over how their girl are used-goods gooooooog
>>563518452Bro your hero jun maeda and key literally did the same thing
American hours
>>563518834i want nagisa to fuck others
>>563518945>brown peopleyikes
>>563519059= Best hours
I feel
I'm red
bros...
>>563519248Are you a man?
>>563519035KEYno created the all-ages genre. Here is the difference~ they didn't cave, they are the ones who changed directiones willingly because their story are art and h-scenes are not~>gachaAfter HBR was released, they also released 11 visual novels... how many did TYPE-SHIT release? Red Garden is coming any day right? wwwwww just sit down used-goods moePIG~
I've been fabling
Stop spamming EUriners ._.
Redman......who is redwoman?
Molesting lolis
Idols are the best
i think i have agp thanks to vinnies
I shit my pants and proclaim the score
>>563519363Yes, the genre that is plaguing visual novels and turning it into normalfag shit like anime and manga. Fuck jun maeda and his cuckbase, getting bought out by tencent is just desserts
HFK
>>563519490Beatrice...
Finished Majikoi. Which one do I read next?
>>563519516KEYno > your favorite vn
Which moege heroine would you like to see with a blasian baby?
>>563519516PIG, stop talking to me if you got nothing that is worthy of my attention, this is the last time am responding to your account
>>563519552S> A1-5 > A+ > Ryouken
>>563519059Every single time it's so tiring
>>563505453IDBLT
>>563516310"Yuri? You know for a fact this is a Yaoi household... go apologise to your mother!"
>>563519745bro said account XD8===D ~ @ O @
Oppai welcome
kino cg
>>563519640maybe on planet maedacuck cock guzzler retard>>563519745AISIR HE'S HERE ONEGAI
>>563519747Thanks, broski.
>>563520302Also you did do the Agave route in the original right?
>>563519478Well that ended sooner than I expected, I wish it was longer than the autistic nun's story
QA...
VNs about nuns getting bred by shotas?
>>563520387Yeah, the one where Yamato gets kidnapped (optional: where he gets anally raped in a bad end) by the sisters and has a threesome to escape, then he gets a double blowjob from Momoyo and Miyako at their hideout.
>>563519478
>>563520517Ishi-san is a hard worker.
https://vndb.org/v/rand^ your next VN.
>>563520579Slut
>>563521096yayhttps://vndb.org/v63741
>>563519516S;G is more normalfag friendly than any key vn
>>563521096https://vndb.org/v14494Nah I'm good.
>>563521096https://vndb.org/v57431How am I supposed to find this?
>>563521096Hidden gemmy?https://vndb.org/v62780
>>563521096https://vndb.org/v50510I would've played it if JOPing wasn't a big fat lie and everyone seems to have a little slave next to him telling him what is happening in the story instead of them reading it themselves
>>563521096https://vndb.org/v5913I don't particularly like rape
>>563521862You are gay
>>563521930Just not my thing. Sleep sex is better anyway.
>>563522045What a faggot.
>>563522045>Sleep sexWhat's the point when there's no female reaction?
This week's top selling VNs (fanza)#1 - LLJ#2 - Genrin no Kishougun Remastered (pre-order)#3 - Yuukan Madam Club#4 - Oppai Bunny#5 - Souten Koihime -Shigen no Ou- (50% off sale)#6 - Saimin Seishidou (30% off sale)#7 - Icha Ane! (50% off sale)#8 - Dimension Totsu Lovers (pre-order)#9 - Lip lipples (70% off sale)#10 - Nukitashi 1+2 PackLast week >>562732409
>>563522546
>>563516751Yay!
Trying to read vn and stupid bitch gf keeps messaging me about her birthday.
>>563522747dump her
>>563522546>#3 - Yuukan Madam ClubBased!
>>563522546>#1 - LLJStill no announcement
>>563522546Oppai will never stop winning.
>>563522792Can't. Need ass sometimes.
>>563522546why's yuzuslop so popular in japan and not madoslop
I am sad and shit. Will Subahibi make me happy?
Rape is the most interesting themes when it is done correctly, Japanese got the right idea to write about it, but they lack the professionalism to write it without inserting certain fetishes and moans here and there and turning the whole act into mockery of how real rape is. Rape victims do not react like that. Yes their bodies will still produce fluids, this is a normal physiological reaction, but they will not enjoy it and suddenly turn into a type-shit girl enjoying being used-good by the whole servants and master new, and old. Rape victims will also be mentally scarred in such a way that will lead them most of the times to do drastic stuff or changes. Something also most writers don't capture correctly and they make the raped girl keep going for it. It reminds me of a joke that Bobby Lee (Asian-American) made about how he was touched by that guy as a child in the street and he kept going into that street for the whole summer always getting touched. He is saying it as a joke and for the shock factor..but those writers? They legit make the girls this brain-dead to the point of somehow always falling to the rapist..I understand that the Japanese got that comedy rape theme they love (Rance lived for years and years thanks to the MONGs), so I know that me reading those nukige and expecting to get serious rape is kinda mb, but also,a work like DD that got props for showing how the girls suffered from the rape is a JOKE. I will never forgive those reviewers who fooled me. What was shown about them after the rape is them talking to the MC for 20 seconds and then getting cured from the shock of the rape..you are telling me that a girl who just went through the worst thing a girl can go through regarding her body would take this much to get cured? But when I call the writers MEN PIGS I get called a foid? KYS with all due respect <3 not everything is about comedy and laughing.Raping,killing children or eating them.Those are heavy topics.You can't just write them for comedy
>>563522546>>563522871Sei GODjou won
>>563523615>or eating them???
>>563523691Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!
>azusa on the yt recommended
>>563522241>>563522312Because I like the idea of rape but girls crying and stuff makes me sad.
>>563523828Just go with hypnosis then.
>>563523615Thank you ChatGPT
witch hat atelier of vinnies? especially the mc grooming kids part
>>563523531Madosoft is popular too. It's just that they have no new release other than fandiscs and projects by their B team.Hamikuri and Cafe Stella have similar amounts of votes on EGS.
>>563523869Too unrealistic
Vns for this feel?
>>563523615>REAL RAPIST reacts to RANCE
>>563523615Im going to rape your sissy bussy you fucking faggot
>>563523786based yuzu modders
>>563524527The first vn ever was made by an american
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxQjtz8Zp3ohfk
>>563524656Bless AVNs
Thinking about little lolis
>>563524527You already said that, きさま!
>>563499331>>563500202>>563507430Imagine liking wa2 lmao. Jk, taste is subjective and it's ok if you liked that vn :)
>>563523615Rape by protag is fine but rape by others is just cheap shock value at that point might as well go watch telemundo
>I hate JOPs!
>>563525003>rape by others is just cheap shock valueNah, it's sometimes important for the characterization.
>>563525141It has never ever been done well.
>>563521209S;G is not more normalfag friendly than clannad. Clannad is the reason normies became aware of key and gave them their big break to allow them to betray eroge fans who initially supported key
>>563525141Only if its side character, only bugman wants to see main heroine raped by others.Again i tolerated some of rape by others ges and it always feel cheap and cant compare to real kamiges that dont rely on such trash.
>>563525071Elite Ball Knowledge
>>563525263s;g is 3x shorter dumb retard
i think VNs not having H-scenes made VNs a lot more palatable to a very large group of potential gamers and was a good and necessary step
>>563525263retard
>>563525263Compare their english sales on every single platform. I've literally met people irl that have read S;G but none that have read Clannad and yes personal anecdotes matter
>>563525380But I wanted to plap Kurisu
>>563524112now show the senren banka and lllj votes.
>>563525491You are not Okabe
>>563525553you joke but i unironically did not enjoy s;g because kurisu loved okabe and i did not self-insert even a little bit into okabe so i felt like i was being NTRd
>>563525248Muvvy luvvy? Saya no Uta?>>563525291It's not about what you want to see, vns are more than just power fantasies(maybe)
>>563525263clannad was my first anime
>>563525636>NTR+ manage to insert NTR in their non-18+ gamesHFK
SHITwrite lost
>>563525380>I think appeasing normiefags by removing a core part of what made something special in the first place to become the same as the slop goys consume was a good thing>...wait, why are all vns samey slop now just like anime and manga. How could this happen????
>>563525380I wish I could get you pregnant
>>563525641Are you joking? It was done horribly in both and turned them into worthless kusoge.
>>563525534I mean I don't see why you'd want them. I was comparing to Cafe Stella because it and Hamikuri released in a similar time period.
>>563525641>literal monster that can instantly kill a man somehow gets rapedSrsly? Thats your ground breaking argument?Even funnier then she herself went looking for someone more that will "accept" her, what a slut.
>>563525801Average VNs with H are already "samey" the fuck are you talking about
>>563525801DESU modern moege are samey slop while still having sex scenes
>>563525897There are lots of shit in any given medium. More news at 11. You think every song released is gonna be a banger and not terrible/samey shit? Books? Movies? Anime? Vn's are no exception. It was their unfiltered nature that allowed them to carve out a niche and push out some of the most iconic works that shaped this medium.
>>563489580>best vinnie this>best vinnie that>{HE} joins the chat>Maruto shivering>R07 getting bullied>Shimizu Hatsumi Smirking>SCA-Ji doing it in his pants>Narahara feeling betrayed
>>563525867>>literal monster that can instantly kill a manExcept she can't do it that easily or else some of the endings wouldn't exist.
>>563526113IDBLT
>>563526101cool, so nothing is suddenly turning into samey slop. it's just the same as always lol
>>563525865interesting that lllj has almost the same amount of votes on vndb as they do egs desu
>>563525636This has to be a falseflag, vn is the easiest medium to self insert.>most of the time unvoiced mc (you can turn mc voice off if it bothers you that much)>characters facing (you) when talking with sprites>importance of (your) decisions When i was 12 i could self insert as vegeta when playing in playground you just have to be very self hating and depressed to not being able self insert in vns kek
>>563526221>completely missed the point of the argumentnever change /vn/
>>563526101>some of the most iconic works that shaped this medium.>has to use "some" because Kamineko destroys his argumentAnyways you should push for vns with more interesting sex scenes that have a better connection to the plot. Also more varied fetishes, not ntr-slop though.
>>563526265Inb4 esl i didnt bother correcting shit fuck off
>Making Lovers>Demonbane 2>Amanatsu+ later todayThere's too much to read bros
>>563526345because it's retarded. there's a small amount of great stuff that'll come out of any medium and it has nothing to do with hscenes
>umiNEGROLol
>>563526265>you just have to be very self hating and depressed to not being able self insert in vns kekWhat if I just don't want to self insert as Takuji because he reminds me of my school trauma?
Do you guys self-insert into schizo MCs?
>>563526454>Demonbane 2>when there's still no 18+ version of roar of the machine godYamero!
Did an R07... so now like I promised, will blogpost the trapge... I will take a shower after so we FINE.>>563523691Like the folklore EU stories... somehow they are always about kids getting eaten... EU fellas are real weirdos ~_~_~_~>>563524428If I was a rapist, no /vn/cutie would be safe and I would find a way to turn all of you into women and then impregnate (You). But am not so you are safe! for now>>563524491But like you can't even reach me without getting beheaded, why do you try to sound tough online?>>563525003Both types of rape can be good or can be bad. The rape-by-MC written by Narahara for his first ge were very childish and terrible.
>>563526619HFK
>>563526454>Making LoversVery boring>Demonbane 2All-ages kusoge>Amanatsu+ later todayOnly a short FDIt's backlog reading time.
>>563526725>kusogeIt's better than the first game.
Newton's third law is bullshit and he only used examples to prove it instead of real calculations
>>563526813The first one at least had heroine rape by others.
>>563526265okabe is a chuuni retard who spouts cringe lines, being able to self-insert as okabe is more embarrassing than not
>>563526484The point is VN's were able to carve out a niche for themselves and put out iconic works because of the inclusion of H-scenes meant they didn't have to hold back and had full creative freedom. Some of the most iconic VN's were eroge. The current tourist epidemic is gonna do to vn's what they did to anime. Samey slop that appeals to the lowest common denominator since nobody wants to take chances to innovate
>>563526890You have lost your soul.
>>563526890I simply imagine myself as a chuuni sperg and it's easy.
>/vn/ cuties do be like that
>>563526949Kageaki is 100000x times more interesting than Okabe, faggot.
>>563526373Umineko had no H-scenes though. Subahibi is one where sex is important to the plot>inb4 it's ntr cause zakuroZakuro was never a heroine who belonged to anyone outside of 1 if yuri route
>>563526890Could be worse
>>563526890I was/am a chuuni sperg so it didn't bother me
>>563526949>>563526265>you have to self-insert into every vn !!Are you a dumb zoomer? Only they are this obsessed with self-inserting.
>>563526856It's a postulate. You invent some random set of laws and then calculate its implications. If they are a consistant with all real observations then you have a new theory. Otherwise you reject the laws.
>>563527109Would like to add muramasa and WA2 to this as well
>>563526921>Some of the most iconic VN's were eroge.and some are all-ages too lol>Samey slop that appeals to the lowest common denominator since nobody wants to take chances to innovatealready applies, nothing new. sometimes a rare innovative eroge still comes out and same goes for all-ages
>>563527109>Umineko had no H-scenes thoughThat's exactly my point though.
>>563527171That has absolutely nothing to do with my post. Are you?>>563527006True but still irrelevant to my post.
>>563526856>>563527183scientific laws aren't "laws"you can't prove anything in science, you can observe that things empirically match a theory
who asked for amanatsu tl...
>>563527438I did.
>>563527171Who do you this this medium is made for retard, oh right my bad im sure male mc with a harem to romance in 99% of vns is just a coincidence.
Third person narrative = kamige
>>563527254Most of the iconic ones were eroge lets be real. We get less innovative eroge now cause vn's are in a transitory period of appealing to normies/global market. This has been going on for years now. You get the rare exceptions like qruppo but those are exceptions.
>/vn/ is filled with erogeMONGS/nukiMONGs But I still love this place...
>>563527183Laws are observations. Theories are hypothesized explanations on why said event happens that has a powerful consensus of evidence and peers
>>563527397Math existing disproves your assertion.
>>563527757>are in a transitory period of appealing to normies/global marketOr because a lot of the big writers have moved on/are working on never-ending projects? Nothing made in the last 6 years compares to the best of 2000s/2010s.
>>563528048math doesn't exist retard
>>563528075>Nothing made in the last 6 years compares to the best of 2000s/2010s.There's some, it's just in the low single digits.
>>563528048math is not a sciencet. math major
>>563528075Thanks for rewording my point?
>>563527878>>563527183>>563527397>the average /vn/ anon is a cutieIs this a law, a postulate, an observation or a theory?
>fabled jop prose be like:
>>563528234VN writers doing other things has nothing to do with VNs appealing to a different market
>>563528241it's a wild baseless theory or postulate at best because you have no evidence to back it upthere's no observationyou don't know what any /vn/ anons look like let alone the averageyou can have a theory about anything>i have a theory that there are six serial killers who post on /vn/
weird requestwhat are some eroge that feature a scene(s) involving a strong, competent female character that stays defiant in the face of imminent gang rape
>>563528417>you don't know what any /vn/ anons look likeI know about some of them.
>>563527397Scientific laws are like math. It's an observation that is deemed to be true and rarely ever deviates. Law of gravity can be proven by simply observing that anything that leaves the ground will fall
>>563527361Calling someone soulless because he can't self-insert is dumb because reaching a certain age makes self-inserting harder for most people. Zoom-zooms have an easier time doing it, especially when the mc is in his teens/early twenties.
>>563528336Yes it does, plenty of vn writers that move on to all ages or vn companies that transition to all ages. Some transition to gacha but then we go into the debate if a vn company moves on to gacha, are they catering to the market or have they simply become something else?
>>563528763>because he can't self-insertDidn't say that, retard.
>>563528417I used to be a serial killer but then I read Muramasa and I got life-changed
>>563528814>catering to the market or have they simply become something elsenot a debate. your gachatrash will never be a VN
>>563528048Math is not a science.Science is defined by using the scientific method. You hypothesize something, you conduct an experiment, you see if the results support or refute the theory.Math doesn't rely on experiments (unless you're doing some silly applied math thing). Mathematical laws are laws proven by axioms.>>563528625Oh my god, no, you dumbassYou can't "prove" the "law of gravity". Every formal and informal experiment ever conducted is consistent with the theory of gravity being proportional to mass times inverse distance squared. But that doesn't "prove" gravity works like that. Maybe gravity only works like that 99.99999% of the time. Maybe it's actually proportional to inverse of distance to the 2.000000001th power. >rarely ever deviatesthat would make it not a lawIt's critical that a scientist (or science enthusiast) understands that it's literally impossible for science to prove something in the affirmative using the scientific method.
>>563528290
I know all of my math and physics from vns. What does that make me?
Muramasa made me unironically loathe self rightous fucks, and i was one of them . Life? Changed.
Science?
>>563528890He mocked Okabe and his self-inserts which is pretty valid for such a character.
>>563529042You're conflating the theory of gravity with the law of gravity. Gravity is what we call the 'thing' that pulls us back down. We KNOW that thing is the 'force' we have to overcome if we want to leave the ground. That IS proven retard. You can jump up on earth ad infinitum until the sun blows up, you will ALWAYS come back down.
>>563529062An expert in quantum physics.
no protagonist is as cringe as takeru
Gravity is what keeps our souls from ascending to space
>>563529354>>563529042Uhm? Visual Novels?
>>563529458The best character in visual novels is a Scientist.
The new sequel to Making Lovers you lads keep talking about!?
>>563524112>Madosoft is popular toodoing poorly in the west
>>563529354Same thing applies to archimedes principle(law of buoyancy). You can put a functional wooden ship on the ocean and repeat it exactly infinite amount of times and it will float every single time.
>>563529602I want to do this with a trap
>>563529619>in the westNo one cares.
>>563529354>You can jump up on earth ad infinitum until the sun blows up, you will ALWAYS come back down.You don't know this. Science doesn't say this. Someone could jump tomorrow and float off the planet. You just have faith in this happening. You would be right to have faith. I wouldn't bet against you. You have a 99.999999% of being right. But you're not 100% right. Science doesn't prove anything, it only disproves hypotheses. Math, on the other hand, is uniquely able to classify things as 100% true. That is the meaning of a "proof".
If I say it's right, it's 100% right. Simple as.
Can the OTHERS break the laws of physics?
I once jumped and soared 10 meters high into the sky.You have no way to disprove my claim, so it is both correct and incorrect at the same time until proven otherwise.
>me after I open /vn/
>>563529906kek idblt
>>563529669>No one cares.If they didn't care, then they wouldn't be selling here. Checkmate chud
>>563529883>I once jumped and soared 10 meters high into the sky.Literally Shirou from FSN.
I think Kurusu poster is right.It is largely accurate that science cannot "prove" anything in the absolute, affirmative sense (e.g., "X is 100% true forever"). The scientific method relies on inductive reasoning and falsifiability, meaning theories are only supported by evidence and can be disproven by a single counter-example, rendering them tentative rather than absolute truths. Key Reasons Science Cannot Provide Absolute Proof:Inductive Reasoning: Science draws general conclusions from limited observations (e.g., "all swans are white" based on seeing 100 white swans). This never guarantees the next observation won't be a black swan.Falsifiability (Karl Popper): Scientific methods are designed to falsify (disprove) hypotheses, not prove them. A theory survives only as long as it has not been proven wrong.Provisional Knowledge: Scientific knowledge is always subject to revision based on new data or better measurements.Alternative Explanations: For any set of data, multiple hypotheses might explain the results, making it impossible to definitively claim one is "the" absolute truth.
>>563529674Are you going to cite quantum physics now? Also if we're going on nothing is 100% right then mathematical proofs have been disproven before. Humans are not perfect, science, logic, math and how we interpret or generate their abstractions are all subject to human flaw, so NOTHING is truly 100% proven
>>563530131>Humans are not perfectMaybe on planet retard
>>563529458No visual novels here, dummy
>>563530131>so NOTHING is truly 100% provenThat a fact? If so, that in itself would be proven correct 100%.
>>563529062>I know all of my math and physics from vns. What does that make me?A retard
>/vn/ is better at being /sci/ than at being /vn/Grim
>>563530343rokuhara general
>wasting all of this time trying to understand "science" when it is just simply the new type of magic of this age that is millenniums backward compared to the old OG magic that only {THEM} know about todayDo scienceMONGs really? ww
>>563530328I don't like being called the R word. I can still solve 2nd grade equations and stuff like that so suck it!
>>563530104I hate "ChatGPT what should I think?" posters too. Hopefully you're at the very least you're reading and understanding that argument for yourself and not just "looks like X won this argument"I will keep posting Kurisu though.>>563530131Then those proofs were wrong. But there are correct proofs. If you take a right triangle in the Euclidean plane, the sum of the squares of lengths of the legs is equal to the sum of the square of the length of the hypotenuse. That will always be true, 100% of the time, forever. There is no counterexample. There can't be a counterexample. It's a truism, a fact, a proven certainty, that "science" can never approach.Every positive integer can be expressed as the sum of four square numbers. That's a fact. There is a proof for it, and that proof is unassailable, and so I can say with 100% certainty that it's true.
>>563530104We can extend this and say our laws and understanding of the universe hinges entirely on our subjective observations and it could be completely wrong for all we know. But in practice for our day to day applications, things like the laws of gravity, the laws of buoyancy are treated as proven until some freak occurrence completely unravels everything we know about the natural world.
Ludwig Wittgenstein — 'We feel that even if all possible scientific questions be answered, the problems of life have still not been touched at all.'
>>563530438TRVKE
I love you kimikabro
>>563530596Is he still here?
Where is my boy Akino?
>>563530674I just came inside his ass and he licked my dick clean
>>563530527And then he wrote Subahibi which proved that spirituality is more important for world happiness than science.
>>563530674Idk but my love for him is always here
>>563530827Although he is often misquoted, Ludwig Wittgenstein did not actually write Subarashiki Hibi.
>>563530523>But in practice for our day to day applications, things like the laws of gravity, the laws of buoyancyThis is fine. This is why we do science. It's very helpful and applicable to our world. It helps us predict things and get things done. Theories help make the world make sense.>treated as proven This is sort of fine. Yeah, we can assume gravity and electricity and radioactivity works the way we think it does, and that it will keep doing that tomorrow, and build machines and undertake huge projects that rely on those assumptions, and we'll almost certainly be fine. Almost certainly. Not certainly. A good scientist avoids using the word "proof" and should probably avoid using the word "law", although they can be useful shorthand.The entire epistemic foundation of science is that we have theories that fit our observations, and that it's always possible one future observation will overturn the entirety of what we think we know. It's always what we think we know, not what we know.
>how the scienceMONGs look at you when you spit the fact of how what they know is just simply a big, fat, lie created by {THEM} so that they are always behind in power while {THEY} use magic
>>563530961proof?
>>563530527Fuyukawa Kokoro — 'If there's a logical explanation for something, then I'll believe it, but if there isn't one, I... will choose the most romantic option.'
>>563530519And if some new discovery happens that disproves your euclidean theory? Your integer example is borrowing from Godels incompleteness theorem but you are forgetting one truth. All that we know and observe is subject to our observation. They make sense and are logically consistent in the context of our perspective. There could be entities out there that see things different and completely undermine and unravel what we know to be "true". So in that sense, no nothing is guaranteed. If we are going to operate on the possibility there is some freak exception out there that will violate the laws of thermodynamics, gravity, buoyancy then the same will hold for your mathematical axioms.
Beatrice the Golden Troon — "I'm a woman."
Chachamaru the mutt Troon -- "I'm a woman."
Battler the King of Cucks — "Please Bang My Wife"
Impossible Challenge: S;G fags trying to not look like the biggest virgins ever
Kageaki the King of Cucks -- "Please bang my troon Wife."
>>563531572Kageahmed*
>>563530438Damn right, otherwise science would let us perform return by death by now.
>>563529619I mean Hamidashi Creative seems to have done well in China (the only region that matters).
Today I will remind them
>>563530747hot TwT
Low IQ anon seething and coping on /vn/ — "Steins;Gate? More like Shits;Ass!"
>>563531770kek, it do be like that
Science lostMath lostSteins;Gate lostAllage lostPhilosophy wonEroge wonSubahibi won
>>563531642>otherwise science would let us perform return by death by nowBut it does?
>>563531801I also say that and I have an IQ of at least 118.2
>>563532018>t. 118.2iq midwit
>>563532018Is cute that you think that's an impressive number. I did an online test and got an IQ rating of 130.
>>563530438I activate my magic circuits.
>>563531219This is a (common) misunderstanding of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. You will have to take a course on logic or complexity theory to fully understand this. But, no, there will never be a discovery that unravels an existing proof.Here is your crash course on Godel's theorems. Take any set of axioms. Let's say you have three axioms, A1, A2, A3. These axioms + logical reasoning gives you a set of theorems. T1, T2, T3, T4, etc. These are truths with proofs that come out of the axioms.This is a self-contained system. Under the assumptions that A1, A2, A3 are true, T1, T2, T3, T4 are true. That is the fact/truism/unassailable certainty that math provides.What Godel's incompleteness says is that it's impossible for a set of axioms to exist that is both consistent and complete. Complete is the key word here (as indicated by incompleteness theorem). Complete means that ANY statement you can make can be proven true or false. T1, T2, T3, ... makes up every single statement (or its negation) about natural numbers. THAT is what is impossible, not that T1, T2, T3 can potentially be disproven, or that T1, T2, T3 are incorrect under A1, A2, A3.For any set of axioms that can prove every statement in the system, it's possible to find an inconsistency, a theorem TN that can both be proven and disproven using the axioms.It's a statement on the limitation of what you can prove using sets of axioms, not a "haha math is wrong and broken, gotcha".
>>563532192I also did those tests and got higher numbers but they are not relevant. Go take a real test.
>>563531056Why do you keep bringing up theories when I'm talking about scientific laws. They are completely different. Laws are observed like your mathematical axioms. You can repeat it as many times as possible and you will always get the same result. Theories attempt to explain why and need to defend themselves vigorously from attempts to disprove them. I can observe that if the temperature is warm enough ice melts. This is a proven FACT based on observation. You can watch the same phenomena ceteris parabis and you will ALWAYS get the same result. The attempt to explain WHY ice melts when it's warm enough given by atomic theory is not proven 100%. That is the difference.
Kurisu having sex with the Rokuhara Scientist while Okabe listens under the bed
Mahoyo part 2 doko?
A science question: does heating a milk bottle result in a roasted bottle?
>>563532407never thankfully what a kusoge lol
>all of those wall textsDo /vn/cuties really think we like to read in this general...
>>563532460
>>563532583no, kys now type-shitter
>>563532256Here's a concrete example."There is no number x such that x^2 = -1".This is "true" under the integer axioms. But if you add the axiom "there is a number 'i' that when squared gives you -1", and you're now working in the complex numbers, this statement is now true. The truthiness or falsiness depends on the axioms. But once you get those axioms, it's provable or disprovable (or neither).Godel says there's no set of axioms that is both complete and consistent. We don't care about inconsistent axiom systems because in those, you can prove True = False and then you can prove literally anything. Inside of our incomplete, but consistent axiom sets, like ZFC>>563532384You are retarded. Die.
>/vn/ right nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RECuQaaGGfA
Just finished Umineko and that was the worst thing I've ever read in my life. Why is it so highly rated?
>>563532407Pubes
Mumbaimasa waking up
>>563532695We call it UmiNEGRO for a reason
>>563532648name calling means kurisu losesi declare science law CHAD the winner
>>563532648>this statement is now true.Did you mean to say "this statement is now not true"?
>>563531734Thank fuck we have chinagods to save the industry.
>>563532648>consistent axiom sets, like ZFCDid you mean to say like KFC?
>>563532814Sir, we call it NEGROmasa here.
>>563532407go back saaaar kek
>>563532648>>563532814>>563532950
>>563532858You have used ad hominem as well in your past arguments little bro. I choose to support the Kurisubro because he is most likely still in college which makes him more fuckable.
>>563533026GM saar.
>>563532658sciencechuds????? how do we cope?
>>563532929https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/1s9npdu/nekoday_reviving_the_visual_novels_industry/Pretty much this!
>>563533197Is that the criminal border girl
>>563532384https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_lawRead this god damn article.> It is generally understood that they implicitly reflect, though they do not explicitly assert, causal relationships fundamental to reality,> As with other kinds of scientific knowledge, scientific laws do not express absolute certainty, as mathematical laws do. A scientific law may be contradicted, restricted, or extended by future observations.>Science distinguishes a law or theory from facts. Calling a law a fact is ambiguous, an overstatement, or an equivocation. The nature of scientific laws has been much discussed in philosophy, but scientific laws are empirical conclusions reached by the scientific method; they are intended to be neither laden with ontological commitments nor statements of logical absolutes.>Like theories and hypotheses, laws make predictions; specifically, they predict that new observations will conform to the given law. Laws can be falsified if they are found in contradiction with new data.>>563532880Yes, I meant False. It's true in one axiom set and false in another. Thanks.
>>563533295>wikipediaSorry, you lost this one. No one belives the shit they put on there no more.
Finally, a good thread.
>>563533295>wikipediaLMAOYOU LOST SO HARD
>>563533341Let me guess>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgendermade you mad, chuddie?
>>563533408meant for >>563195362
>>563533295>wikipedia
>>563533451Chachamaru reference
>Appeal to Authoritynay, not even>Appeal to WIKIPEDIAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAYour concession is accepted
>>563532256That is not what i was saying. You cited the axioms of natural numbers and i brought up godels theorem to counter that as his first theorem asserts that "no consistent system of axioms whose theorems can be listed by an effective procedure (i.e. an algorithm) is capable of proving all truths about the arithmetic of natural numbers. For any such consistent formal system, there will always be statements about natural numbers that are true, but that are unprovable within the system. Equivalently, there will always be statements about natural numbers that are false, but that cannot be proved false within the system. ">There will never be a discovery that unravels an existing proofPolya conjecture? Malfattis problem? Busemann-petty problem? And many other widely accepted proofs that were later disproven via new discoveries?
>>563533408good thread=no vn discussions?
>>563533541GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG
eoptachi when will I be able to read rarajamu?
Where did this Kurisu fellow come from? He seems like a true scholar.
>>563533707December 15th
>>563533723He's so smart... I'm feeling inadequate. :(
>>563532648That's not an example for Gödel's incompleteness theorem. There is no number x such that x^2 = -1 is false in the real numbers. There's no inconsistency and no incompleteness.The halting problem is a better example.
>>563533723>Where did this Kurisu fellow come from?From his mom womb according to the hecking science
>Polya>MalFATtis>Bussymann-petty>GodelWhat visual novels did they write?
>>563533839kek owned
Any Malthusian VNs?
>>563533839geg
>>563533857They would have written chuunikino with interesting and consistent power systems. No more Shirou asspulls his way to victory shit.
>>563533814>false*true
Are there any grimdark, dystopian visual novels like Psycho-Pass?
>>563533991White Album 2
>>563533991The VN in the OP.https://vndb.org/v1390
>>563533707Read this.
>>563533991https://vndb.org/v183Written by the Butcher as well.
>>563534092God I wish that was me...
>>563534081I'm ngl it looks like poor man's Tokyo NECRO, but that in itself has a certain charme to it.
>>563534092irrumatio?
all le hecking science can be deboonked if you change the basic assumptions everything is build uponsadly, all of them are non-falsifiable for now so they are instantly discarded into the pseudo-science/metaphysics bin
I reincarnate into a visual novel
>>563534251Can someone edit a cock in his hand?
>>563533991Silver Jiken.
>>563534305 (Me)...as >>563534092
>>563533595>Godel's Incompleteness TheoremAs I tried to point out, this says nothing about the validity of proofs. Heck, even proofs in >Polya conjecture? Malfattis problem? Busemann-petty problem?Did ChatGPT spit these out for you? None of them had proofs that were overturned. They were conjectures. Akin to scientific hypotheses. As counterexamples were found, they were disproven.It's possible for a lower-profile proof to contain a mistake, and be overturned, but that just means the proof was wrong. "Find the error in the proof" is a common exercise. Some proofs (like the Miyazaki abc-conjecture controversy) are less trusted than others. But there are many, many proofs out there that you can bet your life on. > widely accepted proofs that were later disproven via new discoveries?This has (probably) never, ever happened. Widely accepted conjectures or theories being disproven, yes. Widely accepted proofs? No.>>563533814It's not, no, it's an example of your choice of axioms determining the truthiness or falsiness of a statement. The statement S = "x^2 = -1 has no solutions" is true in one set of axioms and false in one set of axioms, and those are both valid proofs. That's just an early step in understanding Godel's theorems which I find is useful to show new students to help clarify what it's saying.
>SEA hoursBarely sentient caveman posting>Euro hoursDiscussions about Gödel and the halting problemReally makes me think
nagisa tongues my anus
>>563534201Tokyo Necro can't compete with something by Urobuchi.
>>563534408Both are not about visual novels you monkey. This is why we only use /vn/ during KINO American hours where the anons here start talking about vinnies... Americans will save the day once again~
any Vns as good as the angel beats manga
https://vndb.org/v11687#main>short (5h from 4 votes)Whoever rates these reading times has got to be ctrling through the plot. I've been reading for close to 6-7 hours and still haven't unlocked a third of the h-scene gallery.
Schreiber wants to pummel Rusalka again, but my oh my there is no stone around, what will he do?
Did any of the mathematicians write a theorem to prove that Pinks are the best?
>>563533295If we're going to operate on that assumption that scientific laws are just as susceptible to being contradicted, disproven as theories are, then how do you contend with things like the discovery/invention of imaginary numbers? Squares of negatives was undefined under existing mathematical laws because there is no set of integers that when squared will yield a negative number? Under current existing mathematical axioms, the number 0 presents a lot of problems, most famously division by 0. Who is say someone down the line doesn't discover something new like the imaginary numbers case that later disproves division by 0 is infinity/undefined?
>>563525636Forget about Kurisu, the real wuestion is who's Suzuha's mom.
we love vtuber heroines the most
We love concubine heroines the most.
you love gay traps the most
>>563534385>Heck, even proofs inI don't know where I was going. I think I was going to say that a proof in an inconsistent system is still "valid", ergo., if you do have a proof for both TN and "not TN", and you use that to prove (TN and not TN => 1 = 2), then 1 = 2 under your axiom set. The proof is valid, the theorem is true in your system, but the conclusion is obviously junk.The big meta point is that 100% flawless logical proofs and theorems exist in math and don't exist in science. Scientific laws are not 100%. That's the main (only) real thing I'm trying to argue.
We love chubby heroines the most.
>>563534636zech...
>>563534861I love straight traps the most
>>563534408Neither of them is discussing vns though. At this point I'd rather have sex with others than use /vn/.
>>563534861kageaki...
>>563534385>It's not, no, it's an example of your choice of axioms determining the truthiness or falsiness of a statement. Okay but Gödel says that not all true statements can be proven from within the system. Where is that in your example?In the halting problem you assume that the halting problem is decidable and as a consequence you run into a contradiction
>>563534636Is the case for most nukige length votes.Pic related is 1.1 million characters long (same length as muramasa).
>>563535001kek
>>563534884Recommend me hetero trapge right now
>>563535074Josou Kaikyou
>>563535074Seitenkan (The Sex Change) ~You can cum inside me!?~
>>563535186>>563534636AGP inducing
>>563535001>reading literal porn unironicallymental illness
>>563535261erogesissies...
>>563534251too bad just reading this thing is really hard
>beating the shit out of Rusalka is this dog's destiny(宿命)Beautiful.
>A new kind of simulation game where you become a corrupt official and ensnare the daughters of Edo with your poisonous fangs!https://vndb.org/v52975Do you like VNs where you play as a corrupt official?
>>563535001Except for the fact that you need to take pauses to consider all the ideas presented in Muramasa while reading nukige is mostly done on auto-pilot.
>>563535375I was checking this game out just yesterday. weird
>>563535310you aren't supposed understanding every single word you readjust vibe the fuck out of it, all the tech mumbo jumbo is filler anyway
>>563535243Only if you're too weak.
>>563535001How long was the oppai ge? vndbMONGs said it took them 20 hours but I was reading it for like half a year?
>>563534723This is where I refer you to the example in this comment. >>563532648For centuries people treated negative numbers as not having square roots. Then someone had an idea and created a system which had an axiom, that something called "i" exists and when you square it you get -1. And that system turned out to be deep and useful and worth thinking about, and now suddenly, a new branch of math existed.But the original field of math, limited to the real numbers, still existed, and still has an entire world of theorems and laws that rely on x^2 = -1 having no solutions, that are valid and true under the axioms of the real numbers. There was no "invalidation" of existing theories. There was the opening of new theories.>>563534986Incompleteness doesn't pertain to the validity of proofs. There exist statements that can't be proven. That doesn't mean that proofs that do exist are wrong or falsifiable.Again, refer to the "Solve for x: x^2 = -1" example. If x is limited to the real numbers, this has no solution. If x can be complex, this has solutions. That is not a contradiction. If you change the set of axioms you work under, you get a new set of truths and proofs, you don't invalidate truths and proofs in other systems.
>>563535074
>>563535413kek
>pretend bar encountercute
>>563535438floodsis...
>>563535375https://vndb.org/v34788
>>563515469>GSSYuka-chan's in for a treat
>>563515469>MuramasaIt doesn't change all that much to be desu.
>>563535597>EVN>8.24EVN haters lost
>>563535448Ero Appli: 919kSuccubus: 1.17mBunny: 1.62mThose are the only ones I know, but I'd imagine they average out at 1m~ per game.
By the way, I think Muramasaschizo is worse than Uminekoschizo.
>>563535760Thoughts on Kimika?
>>563535760IDBLT
makiseschizo is pissing me off a lil bit we need more steins;CHADs itt>>563535597not a vn
>>563535723How? Now there are 2 scientists. >>563535760Muramasaschizo=Muramasahater or Muramasafan?
>finally subahibi /a/ funthread>not instantly nuked>can't post because I got 3 days thereThis is horrible.
I reread Steins;Gate recently and it honestly wasn't as good as I remembered it.
>>563535912Steins;Chad here. I've been posting less and less these days since people here refuse to respect my pronouns.
steins;shit
MOVE>>563536086>>563536086>>563536086
>>563536046It's weirdly overhated here, but yeah I agree.
>>563536046the only good sciadv vns are r;n and c;h
>>563534385https://mathoverflow.net/questions/35468/widely-accepted-mathematical-results-that-were-later-shown-to-be-wrong was my source.How else do you define a proof then if it's not a powerful consensus among relevant peers of the mathematical community about the soundness of the logic based on their interpretation of the problem?
>>563536003Link it, just so I can say say how much I enjoyed getting fucked by my bullies
>>563536121waiting for page 9
>>563536046true. the first time i read it it was a 11/10 that broke all my reference pointsnow i can finally admit that it's only a 10/10 and nothing more
>>563534986>Again, refer to the "Solve for x: x^2 = -1" example. If x is limited to the real numbers, this has no solutionYeah but for that to be a good example it should be impossible to prove that there are no solutions.Halting problem example:Turing machine A can decide if a turing machine T halts or runs in an infinite loop.Build Turing machine B that has A built-in and does the opposite of what A decides.If A decides that T halts, then B goes into an infinite loop.If A decides that T runs in an infinite loop, then B halts.Now feed B to itself as an input.If A says B halts, then B goes into an infinite loop.If A says B doesn't halt, then B halts.Therefore A can't exist because B can't halt and not halt at the same time. But that leaves us with Turing machines that halt but we can't prove that they do
>>563536415For me it went from a 9/10 to a ^/10 to a "POKS"/10 to a 7.9/10
>>563536302>How else do you define a proof then if it's not a powerful consensusThis is not a proof. Consensus isn't proof. A proof is a sequence of steps, building off of existing theorems or axioms, that logically results in a conclusion. It is true that that's what a "law" is in science, basically a widely-accepted assumption that some theory will never be overturned. That's where science differs from math."Mathematicians all generally thought X was probably true, and then suddenly someone came up with a counterexample for X" is not a proof being overturned.
>>563536121We will use this thread.>t. us
>>563537131stfu dullAISIR HE'S HERE, ONEGAI!
>>563536415I dunno man, there's some seriously stupid stuff in it.Like why does baldie even work for SERN earnestly anymore? He has no reason to report the IBC5100 because that'd fuck over his and his daughter's life. There's nothing in it for him to.He inherited a house and a shop from Suzuha and shouldn't be pressed for money that badly.Then there's the infuriating Lukako ending where Okabe decides that he can't revert Lukako's gender in good faith and gives up on Mayuri's life - not even a week in-universe after he sacrificed Faris' father in order to reach this worldline.Plus the whole premise doesn't make sense because it's based on a time paradox that shouldn't exist as it does according to the rules of Reading Steiner.Don't get me wrong, it's still a great VN, but it isn't the impeccable masterpiece I once thought it was.
>>563537263>Plus the whole premise doesn't make sense because it's based on a time paradox that shouldn't exist as it does according to the rules of Reading Steiner.??>side routesnon canon, don't care>baldiehe knows that if sern finds out he didn't reported they'll -ACK! his daughter
>>563536829And who acknowledges the logic that results into the conclusion? Who peer reviews it and says "this is correct"? You and others cite the possibility that something else can come up which contradicts a scientific law. In that case humans adjust their understanding and try to adapt, kinda like what mathematicians did with imaginary numbers to get around cubic problems. Or how cantor came up with the idea that infinity has different sizes. It is currently mathematically "proven" that division by 0 is impossible. Who is to say 10,50,100 years down the road something similar to imaginary numbers occurs and division by 0 is now possible under a new framework?
>>563489580Is there a torrent or download for this in Japanese? I really wanna read it, but nyaa only has an english TL. preeeesu, it looks so cool.
>>563537608>And who acknowledges the logic that results into the conclusion? Who peer reviews it and says "this is correct"?Anyone who reads and verifies the proof. This is something in theory any mathematician can do. Again, it's possible for a proof to have a subtle error in it that is overlooked, but that just means the proof is flawed, not that theorems don't exist. It's possible to validate a proof and be 100% sure in its veracity. A computer can validate proofs if you define axioms well enough. But most people can trust their own brains.>You and others cite the possibility that something else can come up which contradicts a scientific law. In that case humans adjust their understanding and try to adaptThis is the key. Scientific laws adapt. Mathematical laws do not. There are no solutions to certain quadratics (you say cubics, but all cubics have at least one real solution) under these axioms/assumptions. But introduce this new assumption, and in this new system, they do have solutions. No laws were rewritten or contradicted.Fun fact, there are plenty of existing frameworks that people came up with to answer the question "what if division by 0 is possible"? See: the projective real number line. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectively_extended_real_lineBut the existence of this concept, and the work people build off of it, doesn't invalidate existing theorems and truths of integers/reals/complex numbers. It just means, if we consider a mathematical system where division by zero is possible, we get a new set of theorems. See again the x^2 = -1 example. True in one system, false in another, no contradictions.
Kageaki: Trace, on.
>>563537605>he knows that if sern finds out he didn't reported they'll -ACK! his daughterIt doesn't make sense for him to work for SERN at all in any timeline after Suzuha went back in time and took care of his younger self.She becomes a maternal figure for him but doesn't end up influencing his life for the better at all? That's illogical.>non canon, don't careIt's canon to me.>??The Alpha worldline is based on the premise that SERN built the first time machine and used it to create a dystopia, but that is only possible because they caught Okabe's D-Mail in their system and raided his laboratory.This D-Mail, which altered the course of history, caused the worldine to shift from Beta to Alpha into a universe where Kurisu doesn't die - but she only survives in the first place because Suzuha's time machine from the future crashes into the Budokan and cancels Dr Nakabachi's presentation on time travel.Ergo in the original Alpha worldline, the one where SERN first builds their time machine, Kurisu would've still died because Suzuha had yet to be born and return to the past. Without Kurisu, however, the time machine wouldn't have been completed in the first place.It's a paradox because:The fact that Kurisu survives and creates the time machine causes the outcome where Suzuha returns to the past in a time machine and indirectly saves Kurisu's life by cancelling the conference.All of this happens off-screen and is a foregone conclusion by the time Okabe travels to the Beta worldline for the first time, even though his Reading Steiner should've let him experience the original, unfalsified timeline.Not sure if this makes sense to you.
>>563538443Then what is to say your X^2 = -1 example couldn't be applied to scientific laws then? In the current existing system: Earth, newtonian fluid, human observers, regular matter, archimedes principle is proven as you could repeat this phenomenon infinite amount of times and observe the same result. If for some reason there was some weird exception that occurred, it wouldn't invalidate the fact that objects will float in newtonian fluids of higher density than the given object outside of reality being rewritten.
>>563539403>The Alpha worldlinethey make the time machine without kurisu. have you played s;g0?>It doesn't make sense for him to work for SERN at all in any timeline after Suzuha went back in time and took care of his younger self.i don't remember the details but sern exists regardedless and we don't know how he become employed, maybe he had no choice, suzuha or not
>>563539989>they make the time machine without kurisuNot SERN though, they're specifically reliant on Kurisu and fail to achieve their dream in the Alpha worldline where she is dead.
>>563539403I just learned a few days ago that this famous ending wasn't even written by the main Steins;Gate writer. Guess that makes sense, it was way darker than the rest of the game.
>>563539987>it wouldn't invalidate the fact that objects will float in newtonian fluids of higher density than the given objectAs soon as science starts talking about ideals and things that don't exist, spherical cows, ideal gases, Newtonian fluids, science is doing math. "In a Newtonian fluid, things float". "In a vacuum, light has this speed." These are abstractions that no longer pertain to real observations. It's not science at that point, because you're not looking at experimental outcomes anymore, you're assuming things and building off of them. At that point, it's math.Although, actually, to be very precise, there is such a thing as a theoretical vacuum, or an ideal gas, and even then, the "laws" you take for granted can be falsified. Again, my go-to example is to imagine a world where gravity isn't Gmm/r^2, it's actually Gmm/r^(2 + e) where e is some extremely small number we could never measure. There's no experiment we could perform that could let us know that that alternate theory of gravity is false. Therefore, Gmm/r^2 isn't a certainty. It's a law we assume.At the end of the day: all science can be falsified. That is the definition of science. The entire act and foundation of science is experimentation and trying to falsify hypotheses. If it can't be falsified, it isn't science.
Muramasa is basically Saber, Ichijou is Rin, Kanae is Sakura, Sorimachi is Kirei etc.
>>563540586but the time machine with suzuha isn't sent by sern in any of the worldlines, makise doesn't work for sern, they just use her research to build one>>563540707it was written by the dude who wrote mojika, kek
>>563540707Yeah, it was written by /ourguy/ Shimokura Vio.
steins shit lost
SHITjika lost.
>>563540967Two minutes after writing this. Lol. Directly lifted from F/SN.
>>563540928NTA but math has been used in lieu of experiments that could not be feasibly carried out in reality such as 2nd law of thermodynamics.
>>563539095>>563540967>>563542057Holy shit!
>>563540967>Muramasa is basically Saber, but good>Ichijou is Rin, but good>Kanae is Sakura, but good>Sorimachi is Kirei but good
>>563542329kek idblt
>>563540967>brown SaberYikes.
>>563540967>muramasa is saberThey have entirely different goals and personalities?>Ichijou is rinWouldn't she be closer to shirou?>kanae is sakuraNever seen a more wrong statementAs far as ichijou goes, the justicefag trope isn't a unique concept invented by fsn
>>563542057Post F/SN line for comparison or bs
>>563536046I dunno S;G was like a 6.5/10 for me even the first time around. I have a hard time understanding what the appeal ever was.
MUMBAImasa lost
>>563542956low iqers do be like that
uminegro lostnamsaba lost
>>563543508>low iqersThat's the Steins;Jeets.
>>563542639I was talking more about archetypes.Saber/Muramasa being basically the "I am your blade" loyal servant warrior type, which creates a kind of deep master/servant bond, then revealed to have a tragic/human past. Ichijou/Rin: tsundere, strong-willed, competitive heroine who eventually clashes with the protagonist over contrasting worldviews.Kanae/Sakura: Basically two-faced, on the surface somewhat simple and openly swooning over the protagonist, but having a darker, cold, violent side and hidden complexities etc.It's kind of similar in terms of character dynamics.
negromasa lost sex with others lost
>>563547828>sex with others lostMaybe on planet retard
>>563547828>>563548375looney troonies, go back to discord
the fabled mumbaimasa cord
namsaba AGPcord
