THE END TIMES EditionPreviously on /coopg/: >>563290113>Latest News/Updates:Darktide:‘Beyond the Hive’ is out. Patch notes:https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/beyond-the-hive-free-update-out-now-patch-1-11-0-expeditions/119479Vermintide 2:Hotfix 6.9.2 patch noteshttps://store.steampowered.com/news/app/552500/view/523109140338311330>Also Exists:Space Marine 2Deep Rock GalacticHelldivers 2PaydayThe Outlast TrialsStarship Troopers ExterminationAliens: Fireteam EliteKilling Floor 2BarotraumaLeft4Dead 2Ready Or NotGTFONo More Room in Hell 2Remnant 2Back4BloodEarth Defense Force 6WWZThe Forever WinterFBC: FirebreakKilling Floor 3Daimon BladesJohn Carpenter's Toxic Commandoand others>Future gamesDen Of Wolves - TBADarkSwarm - TBABlight: Survival - TBADeep Dish Dungeon - TBA>Build planners:Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
>>563752050first for the worst slopdrop in history
>>563752154The important thing is that Arbites and Hive Scum will never get new cosmetics.
So let me get this straight this expedition "rotation" does nothing except reset my progress?
>>563752620>hive scum hood>cannot be equipped on hive scumgenuinely funny ngl
>>563752986I haven't played in a little over a week as I had decided to take my time unlocking this drudgery. Is it reset now?I might just give up on Expeditions entirely if so, this game mode is cancer.
>>563752986You also get wacky new modifiers like:Run around the map without the Auspex to point the way. Great for getting people to learn the one map they're stuck repeating, while collecting salvage for that salvage lord titleLess sites of interest, more zones. For those that want less minigames but are still compelled to play.Three separate modifiers that punish you for standing in the same place doing minigames, just because.Also an oops all explosive sanctuary items node.
>>563753874Yeah it just reset the whole map and expects me to regrind what I see are the same but slightly different modifiers and same maps and same objectives. the worst part is how none of the modifiers even have any fucking relevance. wow so the mission is 30 mins. wow. wow so it's night time. wow. wow so the shop has different items. it doesn't matter they're all boring shit anyway. What the fuck is this? How do they think this is acceptable
>>563755693Since beta all I wanted was new missions, maps and at least tiny bit of narrative focus. Like Vermintide 2 gets. Instead its just been Mortis Trials, Excretions, and modifiers for existing maps through Havoc. The new maps that have come out have been so few and sometimes are so short they should barely count (like the tank one or the train one).Pretty much the only new map that's ever checked all the boxes for me was the Carnival one with the ritual, and I've been in a holding pattern expecting a followup since then while Fatshark putzes around with non-content.
Expeditions?More like excrementitions!
>>563756783whats the latest story development in darktide, like main narrative mission wise? I think it's that we found the dark communion with rhodin karnak on a cross what, 2 years ago?
>>563757457Potion goin' down me gob!
>>563757698>>563757457He doesn’t say this
True Grit?More like True Shit!
>>563758161Cum potion, lend me vigor!
>>563757457go find me some techrement you stupid varlet
>>563757468>what, 2 years agoI think its been a little over a year? After that its just been meaningless misadventures as Fatshark rotates in one-and-done personalities like Dukane and non-characters like Swagger.
>>563759540the gloriana mission is so fucking retarded>okay varlets go get the moebian steel! >here's this new mysterious character, he'll help you get that moebian steel! >Finally, with this moebian steel we can finally... do nothing lol>and this new mysterious character is... a vendor in the new meme gamemode with 2 lines lol
When is the next "big" content update?
>>563760683Around june.
>>563759879Swagger is also just really lazily designed as a character.
>>563760683long awaited havoc rework in june, then they may rework expeditions in september then it's 2027 for next
>>563761214I thought he was just an obvious>this mysterious character? well he's actuallllly... hehe... you can't know yet! but then they just never revealed it lmao. Just dropped it like a hot potato
>>563760683Probably skibidis class release in june + some useless stuff they throw in to pad the patch notes
>>563761589>they just never revealed itBasically this. What's the point? Just make it another Hadron thing instead of bloating the cast with fanfiction tier characters.I bet they never will build on his character either, they're just disposable personalities as Fatshark tries to figure out what clicks with the playerbase or something.
this is an smg2 thread now
>>563761230so it's over for trench shitters? we are never getting true survivor?since every single update since havoc introduction made havoc harder
>>563765693>wow this title has such high value because it's hard to get and you don't see it often>PLEASE make it easy to get so everyone has it!
I just got verminmogged by a female player who was as good as the rest of the team together. Haven't felt this emasculated in years.
>>563761589>>563764625They haven't revealed Swagger is because they are just that slow. But at the same time I believe that if they do reveal his identity, then it'll probably be something boring or inconsequential.
>>563767559Realistically this game won't get updates for more than like another 5 years and it won't get a new map involving swagger by that time at this pace so it really is functionally dropped
sovl
>>563766530meanwhile I played with this personhttps://www.twitch.tv/amethystcats/
Cadia?More like CACAdia!
>>563734117>Every class when played correctly can provide huge benefits to a team, on havoc 40True, but I'd suggest splitting such tier lists into 3 categories that should all exist in parallel:>low skill floor>optimized build and play>truly autistic team and build synergy played by sweatiesLike for example, psyker and zealot often see a lot of drooling retards get carried to h40 because they don't really have to perform well by their own class' standards to get accepted, and do well enough to make it there. Ogryn often sits closer to the higher skill side of the gradient because it's mostly played by ogryn autists that really know what they're doing. Scum is probably the best class bar none in the hands of a highly autistic NEET, but you'll really feel it if the player is sub-par.Like if you were to assume the highest possible player skill, I'd probably put scum at the top followed by vet, because a well played melee vet is actually kinda crazy. Just both classes can't afford to make a single mistake, and practically nobody plays perfect so this isn't a realistic scenario and thus invalid, and a big reason for why "melee vet" is a fucking meme.>Peak havoc 40 team comp is bubble flame staff psyker, shout vet with kraks, chorus zealot with bop and duelling swordOnly in a vacuum, really, and only assuming perfectly mediocre players. Bubble is only good because it makes things easier, but shriek leads to smoother runs with good players. I think zealot should run RB just in case a trash horde situation can't be solved by the psyker (such as the psyker fucking dying), as RB has vaguely comparable damage to the DS where it counts (bosses, mixed hordes). Otherwise I agree. I actually think the original 4 still make for one of the strongest lineups. Only scum stands out for having retarded synergy with vet.>Playing it like it was skill based is what leads to the vast majority of wipes.Trvth.
>>563767732Fair
>>563765504Holy mother of slop
>>563761214>>563767559I like swagger’s design. He’s supposed to be this guy who does things for his own benefit and keeps a low profile accordingly. His outfit reflects that. That said it is boring for him to just be in the background all the time.
>>563765504fucking kek
How long does this take to unlock?t. someone who hasnt touched expeditions
>>563778270You end up touching like 15 in a run that goes well. Assuming 5 sites per zone, and ~8 minutes per zone, it's like 2-3 hours tops.
>>563778503Thanks, I might just wait for skitussy and do it on that when it releases, assuming the mode isnt completely dead by then
>>563778665I'd recommend you do it sooner rather than later, just in case it really does die. The mode is still reasonably young and it's already declining.>picrelSome retard forgot a zero trying to hype up Theta btw. This is 93/2000, or 4.6%. It might genuinely fail to reach 100%.
>>563779984that clearly says 93M/200Mdid they swede up the underlying code somehow?
>>563780423>eight zeroesnvm I'm the retard here
>>563765504did our general get nuked?
what's up with all the super special and unique people with colored text and typing like a tranny in every other match i play recently
>>563782569There's some mod that lets you color your text.I can count the number of times I've seen this playing on EU on one hand. I see this at least once every session I play on US-E.
>>563770816He's designed for you to project on to, you don't even see his face and not because there's a cool mask in the way like with tech priests. He's literally just a blank slate.
>>563784226>He's designed for you to project on to
>>563782569You are with your people now
lolskrattar mitt arsle av mig even
I can't believe /sm2g/ is fucking dead.
>>563792534I can
>>563792534Idc about sm2 but if that means seeing cool webms in here, then I'm okay with that.
>>563792534How did it die?
How long has copeg been this slow? I remember the thread being much more active even during late hours.
>>563793467While I wasn't a regular I guess there's simply not a lot to talk about, the game's good but also quite straightforward, the most meaningful gameplay addition was a single class and it took them 1.5 years, I doubt they'll be adding a lot more of those. Not only that but the last couple of missions (which there aren't a lot of in the first place) weren't particularly creative when it came to the objectives. In the end the game released, it was good and then went away quietly. >>563798259If I had to pinpoint the beginning of the decline I'd say it was a couple of months after the release of Helldivers 2 cemented by that month 4chan was down.
>>563734117>Peak havoc 40 team comp is bubbl-
>>563798259It’s been like this for a while. Like >>563798751 says we were plenty active back in late 2024/around the time of the PS5 release for Darktide then around March/February 2025 we just sorta crashed. Ever since then we’ve seen short bursts of activity for a few weeks (the last one of significance was back in November when we were blowing through multiple threads a day in anticipation of the new class and speculating what it could be) but we always slide back to a more relaxed posting speed. I don’t really mind honestly. Really fast activity tends to indicate low quality posting across the site IME. >>563798751I figured it was something like that. I think for a while, they were doing ok for themselves, but I remember even near the beginning of release they were taking up to a week and sometimes more to finish a single thread. I thought multiplayer would have helped them out but I guess not.
>>563801217>multiplayer would have helped them out but I guess not.Multiplayer increases activity only if the community plays with each other. Do you guys ever party with each other for Darktide? What about before, during the ratclick days? I see you guys talk about gameplay and complain about pubs but other than a couple incidents, it seems like you guys never group.
use context clues in the post game report to see if you can spot the gunlugger
>>563804003>Do you guys ever party with each other for Darktide?Lobbyfag here. Back when I still bothered with auric lobbies, I only got a handful of unique individuals joining, usually the same 2-3 people. I assume many coopgers don't even want to play auric, or don't want to go through the effort of anonymizing their everything in case of autistic stalkertards. We have one pathetic faggot that is obsessed with and eternally butthurt over someone posting scoreboard screenshots without censored names, and resorts to stalking and schizo projections. Definitely another reason against wanting to play with coopg.FWIW I mostly had positive experiences playing with you guys.We also sometimes have returning or new players asking for help with penances. I usually try to join them, because the private game penances are a huge pain. Generally pleasant experiences here as well.But, no, >it seems like you guys never group.is pretty much true. Most of my attempts to organize a group, even during the biggest peak around arbites release, rarely even got 1 player. No point in trying when nobody will bite. Especially now that the player count has plummeted again with how utterly dogshit expeditions are. Maybe I'll try with the next update, if it manages to revive the game.
>>563805087Second from the right
>>563805115I'd say the most obvious reason is that most people are too shy to join a party.
>>563805087From left to right:>2nd most damage dealt, least damage takenArb->most deathsI mean Scum>most damage taken, least damage dealt, most players helpedZealot>friendly fireOgryn I guess?>twice as much damage as everybody elsePsyker. Then again, "most times disabled" is usually the ogryn's shtick so he could be the "gunlugger" (rumbler).
>>563760683The Warhammer Skulls event
>>563806085>>563807008youd be surprised, especially with the weapon choices
>>563807204I can fix her.
>>563807364What the HECKThis is fake news. This was staged. This is an outdated scoreboard that doesn't track half of the enemies.
>>563807364>psyker not topping the scoreboard>dogshit arbitrator dying>2 mil on gunluggerLooks like a maelstrom that took longer than expected.>those arbitrator numbers230k damage unaccounted for implies the dog did most of the heavy lifting, unless this was a grenade spamming LW
>>563808070was a havoc 40 actually, 35 minutes>>563807736lol, lmao even
>>563808247>stubber looger in h40Fucking kek, I'm impressed that actually worked. What does your gun look like?
>>563808343this patch with the ammo refund as well as the buffs it got is massive, refunds 50% of ammo spent, of which can then be used again for another refund, and BLO freebie shots count as shots fired for the refund despite not costing a bullet so that takes it furtherblaze away and charmed reload cuz BLO crit node actually give them a pretty good crit chance so you have a massively inflated mag effectively, never have to reload cuz pbb does it for you and you have enough ammo loaded back into it from crits during the ult to last you until your next cast
>>563808529Was that with moebian trash, or dreg spam seed? Because I'd honestly expect lower numbers against armor spam, but I've also played relatively little ogryn recently. Hadn't really considered looger in h40 either, but I also don't like playing ogryn in h40 anyway. I guess I'll accept one if I ever accidentally get one to apply to my games.
>>563808670it was moebians, but i meleed those guys. was mostly a scab seed as well now that i think about it. power maul with power surge (which triggers on moebians) explodes them and youll get like 20+ kills every time with 0 investment which is where all that melee damage came fromit actually works really well into armor, including rotten, because the burn damages ragers and maulers based on the flak armor type, it applies the burn on hitting bulwark shields which can kill them outright, and for rotten armor dots completely ignore the damage resistance they get. youve got power maul for the crushers that are leftover, which are a lot easier with the special with power surge and skullcrusher as well. i think ive hit 3 million on a rotten game earlier. the passive 50% dr on dodge with a tiny linger really just put this class to insane levels of survivability too, iirc with the average builds DR stacked up you can toughness tank bursters cuz of it
>>563809187>the passive 50% dr on dodge with a tiny linger really just put this class to insane levels of survivability tooYeah I can confirm this at least. The few times I have played ogryn since that buff, he felt retardedly invincible especially into gunners and bursters. Some ogryn bro in h40 reported that he'd just dodge into bursters in laggy games, and shrug them off, but he was also running health curios so ymmv.I haven't run DR heavy builds on ogryn in ages anyway, and I'm not sure I'd invest that heavily in havoc either. Going hard into damage and utility yields pretty juicy results actually, but again, I've mostly done meme builds in auric.
>>563806738That, and the fear of making someone upset (most generals are subject to this).We had a good thing going with some anime posters, but some autism happened and they all stopped posting.
>>563811878Yes, they acted autistic and got dunked on for tranny behavior. Good riddance.
>>563811878It's because of this >>563812141 brown-skinned turd golem
>>563812482Found the tranime poster
>>563812527you must be able to identify this character to use this website
>>563812527Nope. Just some random guy calling you out for being a filthy shitskin in my general. Don't try to get too mad, there's nothing you can do about it
>>563812603Is that Megumin without her hat and cape
>>563812693no it's boku no pico
>>563805115Yeah, in an anonymous board like this, it only takes one schizo or attention whore to ruin it for everyone. It's quite unfortunate. A lot of the competitive games generals die or are inactive because Anons are incapable of playing with each other because of ranked systems and they turn into e-peen circlejerks with extra schizos obsessed over namedropping people and doxxing them.You'd think co-op PvE games wouldn't have that problem...
>>563816715>You'd think co-op PvE games wouldn't have that problem...Scoreboards already made the usual tards pissy, but havoc completely and utterly mindbroke all the overconfident retards by producing a quantifiable metric for how not-shit someone is, and them failing to meet that metric.I enjoy havoc, but I still also think it had a net negative impact on the game, and especially this general, unfortunately.
T-thanks, chinaman
>>563817332I'm genuinely curious what the fuck happened here. How/when did you notice the ammo count, and did anything observable happen to trigger that?
>>563816939Heavily agreed. It definitely went a ways in keeping us occupied in the drought of content we’ve experienced but in the end it did more damage than anything.
>>563816715this has always been a problem ever since vt2 with green circle chasers
>>563816939>but I still also think it had a net negative impact on the gameHow I feel too. Just from a gameplay perspective the game has gotten more and more retarded too.
>>563817786Yeah, agreed.
>>563817925I saw that. Triangulating your IP as we speak......
>>563817547Trannies shitting their sister's panties because the scoreboard says they suck is why fatshark removed it
>>563817879It's even worse the game has just gotten more and more stagnant. People are constantly telling the devs that we want new maps for the base game and weapons, and fix the retarded balancing so they'd stop spamming 30 crushers at once.Only for the devs to do literally none of that and then release dumb shit like Expeditions.For fuck sakes, it's been like 18 months since ogryn got any new weapons while it still is the class with least weapon variety. Psyker hasn't gotten any new force staves since launch, and only new force weapon we've gotten is the greatsword.But hey, at least the devs got to make another DOA gamemode.
>>563817457I joined like that. But after I respawned, it went away.I assume the he only cheats his own ammo, but he was leaving and rejoining a lot. At some point he and the other player left, and he joined in a different slot, leaving bot with obscene ammo reserve, and I joined into that slot.
>>563818450>leaving and rejoiningHuh... might be consistent if he managed to abuse it like that. I wonder what causes it. I doubt it's netcode because stingray is actually pretty good about this. Maybe there's some vulnerability during the joining process, but I doubt the client has any privileges for modifying that kind of data, short of whatever character or build you send to the server. And I'm not familiar enough with how that part is handled in the code.I'm pretty hesitant to try and fuck with that kind of stuff because that would mean cheating in a way that touches fatshark servers, which would get you giga banned if anyone catches wind of it.
>>563818079True
>>563818105that was never the case no matter how much you want it to be with your historical revisionism
>trannies are pro-scoreboard sweatlords (sweatladies?)>trannies are anti-scoreboard maliceletsWhich is it chuddie?
>>563818105It goes both ways.Shitters would benefit from a proper scoreboard to see their own shitty performance, which would force them to either accept being shitters or to get better.However, green circle chasers are a real issue and are just as annoying as the shitters who can't keep up.When you are chasing green circles, you are not playing with the team, you're playing a solo game with 3 spectators.
>>563818969>>trannies are pro-scoreboard sweatlords (sweatladies?)It's this, seeing that most yellow number chasers and speedrunners are people like Tranner and Mr. Estrogen.
>>563818864Sister's panties status: brimming with tranny shit
>>563818969it was always trannies are sweatlords because they would play kerrillian since she had the most opportunity to chase greencircles and get punished for it much worse than everyone else, baradin doesnt care, kruber is super tanky or shouts at people, and saltzpyre either shouts at people or doesnt care, and sienna was always super fragile and had shitty options for chasing greencircles outside shooting people
>>563819221>>563819136Anyone with any amount of experience is able to tell that the players with the good score is usually the players who also do the objectives and who contribute the most to the team. It was like this in vermintide and it's also like this in darktide
>>563819405You running 3 rooms ahead of everyone isn't "contributing to the team".
>>563818587He was saying shit like he was getting stuck or something, idk if rejoining is relatedBut that's how I got the ammo, I joined into his former slot
>>563819521No. It's the doing all the objectives, killing all the enemies and picking you up every time you're downed part that's contributing to the team
>>563819405>who also do the objectives and who contribute the most to the teamsure, but I can easily top the scoreboard by spamming blue fire for 30 minutes. That doesn't mean I have quantifiable more skill than than my teammates.
>>563820574That's why you use scoreboards in the context of the mission. Shitters pretend like scoreboards remove context when it actually keeps the context and provides additional information about player contribution. That's why only shitters whine about scoreboards. It's because they look worse the more information about their performance is added
>>563768178>PersonSo its a tranny?
>>563820865All scoreboard users remove the useless bloat and just look at who did the most damage.No one ever uses the additional information.
>>563821117Illiterate retard
>>563766530And I played darktide expeditions with some streamer chick and she was awful>on the mic>her simp orbiting her>both still eat shit on malice>find her on twitch after the run ends and watch her perspective>british rose (ugly bongoloid female goblin)>vigilant autogun vet >doesn't dodge>doesn't block>doesn't ult>randomly plinks shit with her autogun>gets beaten to sliver of health by basic chaff>15 viewers
>>563821692I leave the shitters spectating when i want an audience
>>563821692>bongoloidjej
>>563780423No this guy is mentally challenged>>563591810
I just had a shieldless Rodin spawn in a regular auric mission as a random encounter and he escaped at 25% hp as the scripted one, is this new?
>>563825087Are you sure you didn't quickplay into the twins mission?
>others as yet unknown to usoh nomy jeans
Just picked up Necromunda: Hired Gun for like 8 bucks. What you fellers think of it?
>>563826098like other Streumon titles its movement is slippery and its gameplay is aggressively mid, but it's a decent novelty game
>>563825621>put a bunch of cool new enemies in the game>lock them behind expeditions mode
>>563826557Don't give them ideas
>>563826601Can swedes even read?
>>563826557I'm more mad they're still cockteasing GSC because I am a simp for that faction and it'll take eight more vacations before we get them as an enemy.
>>563825358I probably quickplayed into a "story" mission but it wasn't orthus offensive, it was mercantileAnd it just happened again in a different mission, also carnival but different layout
>>563826142Yeah the movement definitely feels like a weird combination of floaty-static-magnetic-slippery-just-stop-pressing-space-bar-god-damnit. Is this one of those games with metroidvania style exploration? Like I noticed a lot of areas seemed out of reach in the tutorial, no amount of wall running and jumping shenanigans could get me higher. Naturally the first upgrade the game gives you is a god-damn double jump so is I'm guessing there is incentive to go back to previous stages and re-do them with new abilities? Or can you get every secret with what you got first time you enter a level?
>>563826557>cool new enemies>dreg gunner, 2 dreg stalkers and dreg shotgunnerShe says there might be unknown heretics, might as well not be any
>>563826908yeah you'll go back to previous levels in bounty contracts with different enemy sets later
>>563826959I also like how most of the characters aren't excessively ugly. Yes they have extreme body modifications and whatever but most of the characters are not outright fucking physiognomy study cases.
>>563826952I don't think she was talking about heretics with the second part of that comment.
>>563827308>70 year old suit watching younger investors put millions of dollars into these 'video games'>completely out of the loop, confused, and upset>wants to 'play the game'>invests in board games because he understands that>you get this shitI want to see the ROI
>>563827242yeah streumon often does great with the art assets, their mechanics are just kinda not great
>>563827432They ARE French, so it's somewhat to be expected that they don't want ugly characters.
>>563827384>I want to see the ROISpecialist games fans bought it, and there's some really nice Genestealer lore in the book, but it didn't fly off the shelves or anything.
They should add 2 more melee and 2 more guns for Ogryn minimum
>>563826098I'd say it's worth the 8 bucks. I got about 20 hours of entertainment out of it but once you've maxed out your upgrades it becomes way too easy. Like, you can do certain side missions in under 1 minute easy.
>>563827947It also came with some game called Deathwing. Looks neat I guess.
>>563828209Space Hulk Deathwing is okay. Has great ambience but you really have to babysit the AI teammates because they're dumb as shit.
is there a mod that will let me copy the same set of emotes to every build?
>>563826628Evidently because keep doing the fucking opposite of what the playerbase asks.>can you stop crusher spam>fatshark creates havoc which is nothing but crusher spam>can you make us new maps for the base gamemode>fatshark creates Mortis, then Expeditions>can you give us new weapons for other classes?>fatshark creates 2 paid DLC classes instead>only other "new" weapons we get are just a copypaste rushjob and 2 useless reskins
>>563828609>>fatshark creates havoc which is nothing but crusher spamlol it's worse than that>fatshark creates event which is nothing but crusher spam>then introduces that event as a modifier to havoc, which is already crusher spam, so now they're spamming crushers while spamming crushers
>>563827384Games Workshop has been making board games since the 1970s.
>>563828609The paid DLCs slurping up all the new weapons released is what pisses me off. And they don't even share any of these new weapons with the base classes. With skittles likely being announced at skulls, I doubt any of the base classes will get anything new, AGAIN.
LMG for Vet and ScumMelta for Vet and Zealot
So is there something with the matchmaking that matches you up with players running the same class as you? Because I can go several matches and never see a single psyker or something, but the instant I switch to the class it's like 3/4 of that class in the lobby.
>>563832087sorry bro can't, the "make new weapons" machine broke
>>563833650It seems to be working just fine for the DLC classes
sorry /coopg/bros, but for all my sm2 asylum seekers:>>563834128>>563834128>>563834128
>>563833884Sorry, that's the "DLC class" machine, it has its own "make new weapons" module as a baseline built into it. And no we can't remove it either, it's part of the machine superstructure.
>>563835889Give me a sec and I'll fire up my "Boot to a swede ass" machine.
>>563834345Patriot
Pilgrim!
Darktide versus when?
>>563846748>playable Genestealersdon't tease me like that
>>563847178Who the fuck said anything about genestealers. You've been hanging out with that tzeench girl again, haven't you, anon? I told you she's bad for your sanity.
>>563847883>You've been hanging out with that tzeench girl again, haven't you, anon?Haha yeah..."Tzeentch"
>>563826098It’s fine for what it is. I got bored with it and they definitely could have done with more the Necromunda setting
>>563834345Why that title
reposting because some faggot randomly linked into a different general This kinda pisses me off>most purchased items 3 are ammo, health, grenadeno fucking shit you retarded niggers everything else is non static and thus appears less kill yourselves>fastest extraction>12 secondsliterally impossible so I'm not even sure what this shit is about, literal swede retard niggers who took a hackers statistic at face value (again btw, they did this for VT2 too and event sent them eye tracker hardware). The timer is over 12 seconds.>couple thousand people playing 500k hours together is "the equivalent of 56 years of non stop gameplay"this is such a retarded faggoty way to phrase it like it's meant ot be impressive, but in reality the number is fucking sad. The game has like 10k concurrent players average, the rule of thumb for MMOs is that 10k concurrent means ~100k total users. But MMOs have users put in notoriously high playtimes so there's likely more total regulars for Darktide (since lower playtimes = lower concurrent numbers).But even then going by 100k, the most generous estimation, this means that on average each (ACTIVE!) player put 5 hours into expeditions. I hated it and i put like 20 hours into. Now imagine how fucking low the playtime of all the non-sweats must've been. They played maybe one or two missions tops. Nice brag you stupid fucking swedes, literally accidentally releasing a statistic that proves the mode is fucking dead lol.Also on a lesser note the little picture made me realize that tech remnants are probably meant to be a joke about how expensive RAM is now
>>563827665His variety does suffer hard from not sharing any weapons with anyone else (besides the shovel sort of)
>>563829582>>563827416Kek>>563827462Fair actually
So apparently they fixed rotten armor and now it actually only replaces half the spawns with armor and actually counts unit cost instead of replacing every spawn with armor and then doubling them.Now you can observe funny things like gunner seed in rotten armor where half the map is armor spam and the other half is gunner spam
>>563846748Player controlled director versus four regular players when?
>>563850864Release the hounds button is getting pressed over and over and over. It'll be fun, trust me.
>>563851403Nah, there are too much counters for hounds. Trappers + bombers or mutants + crushers is more cancerous combos.
>>563765504the definition of MID, carried hard by the setting
>>563765504I'd like to say SM3 with darktide combat would be peak. But then imagine a space marine sliding and spinning around like a reject.
>>563850236Modified grenade is different from a regular grenade box. Also, that ammo crate figure probably includes the ammo resupplies that cost 10 salvage for the first week or so, because initially it was coded as an ammo crate(which is why field improv affected it). I doubt people bought more ammo crates that cost 75 salvage than medicae that cost 25...
it's her
>>563856787More like Miss AGP lmao
>>563856787>Angry dry handjobs
>>563856454>Also, that ammo crate figure probably includes the ammo resupplies that cost 10 salvage for the first week or so, because initially it was coded as an ammo crate(which is why field improv affected it).I'm guessing they still dont know whats wrong with coding it that way and just barred that specific one from benefiting from the vet talent. Alternatively the intern writing this infograph didn't know what the fuck the difference would be and just wrote down ammo crate
>>563850236>But even then going by 100k, the most generous estimation, this means that on average each (ACTIVE!) player put 5 hours into expeditions.I'm one of those.I played Expeditions only 2 times and then I dropped it. I probably have like less than 1 hour of play inside the Expeditions mode.Also this whole stat collage thing is purely for a quarterly report shit.It labels all this useless garbage purely to SEEM impressive because the studio is banking on investors/higher ups being retarded. (they largely are, but not as retarded as you'd think)
GW is clearly pushing admech this year, skitussy in darktide one of manyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xkBBF6Std8
He’s in as the next event
>>563850236>most purchased is valkyrie bombing runWhat the fuck is wrong with this playerbase and where the fuck are all these bombing run enjoyers? I have seen it used like 2 times.
>>563861370The stats are just asspull from the community team so they can look like they're working on something and gathering data rather than just being a useless part of fatshark
>>563861451>>563861370theres no way its correct anyway, surely the mission that only sells valk support for 10 salvage would be the most used and most kills. They probably confused the numbers
>>563861451To be fair not like they are allowed to do much.All the CMs have an incredibly tight leash and are only allowed to make pre-approved posts or spew the generic boiler-plate corpo shit.Like even in that one thread on the forums where faggots are constantly whinging for Solomode to be added, FatsharkJulia just responded with the most generic nothing burger response possible.It boiled down to "we hear listen to player grievances and we have forwarded this to the dev team". Aka nothing will come of it because we still know FS sentiment on Solomode."It's not a priority." But many people always omit the second part "Eventually we MIGHT return to it." Emphasis on might.This is just anice corpo way of saying>"We aren't developing solomode anymore because this game isn't about that and we genuinely do not give a fuck about wasting resources on it, stop asking for it."
>>563862178What do they even do all day. It takes a few hours to write up a blogpost. What are they doing to justify their wages for the other 99% of their time?
>>563862526Post on discord, steam, here, the forums. Strawhat was a blessing amd made things happen.
>>563862178I think it's more like saying>we currently have no planstranslation: it's not coming, but we have no strategic reason to deny it'll ever come
>>563861921>surely the mission that only sells valk support for 10 salvage would be the most used and most killsThat's obvious but in these missions everybody gets valk support, not valk bombing run
>>563861329didn’t this guy cave in an eldar tank with one punch or something
>>563864137Which is exactly why the infograph saying that valk bombing run is actually the most bought one with most kills is probably just a careless mistake on their part
>>563863782No, them just ever making it is more accurate.They just can't up and say to people they'll never make solomode because they know bunch of tardos would get their panties in a twist and then posting even more negative reviews onto steam.No matter what Fatshark does solomode as a whole is just a lose-lose-lose scenario for them.If they say nothing, people will continue to bitch.If they do make proper Solomode, that's just bunch of devtime and resources poured down the drain for EXTREMELY little gain.**If they just make private games only require 1 person, then solofags will then whinge how it isn't "real solomode".**Also if they do make it into a proper gamemode, they'd have rework old objectives/reintroduce new objectives into solo missions since currently mission objectives currently are created with multiplayer in mind, not single player. Kinda hard to do an auspex puzzle when you're being slapped on the ass by a poxwalker. And everyone knows the biggest thing Fatshark hates, is doing actual work. Doubly more so when there's literally FUCK ALL to be gained from doing it.Also them adding a proper solomode into the game, would then on force the developers to ALWAYS consider how solomode could be affected if they ever make any type of balance changes to the game. Which is just going to cause MORE resources drain and more devtime spent in solving shit they previously didn't need to. Unless they want to literally abandon the gamemode and leave it unbalanced, which is definetly gonna go over the solomode crowd just as well.
>>563867680>If they just make private games only require 1 person, then solofags will then whinge how it isn't "real solomode"Literally how is it not? It's basically what vermintide did but with generic bots instead of your guys.
>>563867680>They just can't up and say to people they'll never make solomode because they know bunch of tardos would get their panties in a twist and then posting even more negative reviews onto steam.I don't know why you felt the need to open with "no" because you literally repeated what I just said.
>>563868183Your first post more of "maybe fatshark will eventually return to it", which is a more optimistic way of viewing it.In my opinion that interpertation is wrong, more accurate one is that they are never actually going to return to solomode (despite it being 99% ready btw) or add it to the game ever because they genuinely do not give a fuck to do so.You're leaving in a possiblity of "maybe" in your interpertation, I however am not.Minor but important difference.
I didn't lie, the truth just changed
>>563869136Not really, you literally said what I said in different words. I don't know how telling you this once didn't prompt you to re-read and properly comprehend what I wrote, but telling you twice won't either so idk why I'm writing this
How do you guys deal with the hand/wrist pain that comes from playing vermin/darktide?
>>563872574change how you play>are you using a controllerswitch to kbm>are you flicking your wrist100% of your arm movements should be with your elbows>how do i do thatyou wouldnt fucking use your wrist with a violin, so learn to be precise with your arm>i do all these thingsrelax then, being tense is bad>but my weapon choice doesnt allow itpick a slower weapon
>>563872796>elbowselbows shoulder and torso i should sayplaying like a sweatlord unironically it the way to go
>conceptually love the idea of SM2>hate actually playing itHow did they fuck up the gameplay as much as they did?
>>563872574Lift
>>563872796good advice i just want to add that I hold my mouse entirely between my ifngers and move it with my fingers and I never get wrist pain. I try to keep my wrist in a natural position when gaming from messing with my distance to mouse/kb, seat height, keyboard height, maybe even mouse size. Something to consider also
>>563864719So? I could do that too probably
>>563874146It really is a an accomplishment in poor game design. I’ve played very few games that are unsatisfying and anti-fun as SM2. Everything just feels so artificial and forced.
>it's gunner seed>scum so even a single stalker can gun me down>sprint towards a group of stalkers to utilize stripped down>get stuck on a 4 inches high bump, die in milliseconds
>>563864719No, it was a Wraithlord Walker he punched in the head in of. He did cut a Eldar hover tank in half though. >>563874374I believe you.
>>563874146the game feels like shit cause theres always an awkward delay on everything you do + the animations take away your movement like blocking for example. If I press dodge my fucking superenhanced supersoldier thats insanely muscled and has super fast reflexes should fucking dodge instantly instead of there being an awkward fucking delay that makes it so you almost precognition more than actual reflex. The movement system and animations suffer from this problem at every fucking turn and it just feels like total dogass as a result. sm2 feels like you're playing a dumb ogryn more than a space marine
>>563846748Might be the only way to get playable space marines, with one player as a nurgle chaos marine vs four rejects
Does this mean we get a Catachan heavy stubber for the vet?
>>563876167any day now
Dukane's model not being cute is sick and wrong
>>563872574I do so-called "office workers' stretches" every morning, mostly because I have an office job but it also helps with gaming. This consists mainly of hand, wrist and back stretches to help prevent injury from sitting on a computer for long periods of time. It's also a good idea to do another, more comprehensive set of stretches in the evening. It even makes you sleep more soundly. You could also consider using an autofire mod if you're using something like a tactical axe or a laspistol that normally requires fast, repetitive motion of clicking your left mouse button, but I can't vouch for that since I don't use mods.
Squats every hour are good too
>>563878545Dukane's voice acting being pig-shit is sick and wrong, her model is whatever
>>563876167In 5 years after FatShit has made 10 more class DLCs, added 5 more useless gamemodes and added useless weapon variants for weapons that don't need it, like the IAGs or ILGs.
>>563876167Sure, and we'll also get the long las and melta gun, any day now anon!
>>563875085Today I realized stalkers were a thing. I thought they were called "goons number 5" Havoc 40 must be wild.
>>563878937She sounds cute
>>563879241fatshark really dropped the ball with this dlc class thing, only making 1 for each character in ratclickI would have paid good money for a "dung collector" class for kerillian where she has to lug around a heavy cart and collect rat shit from the sewers to use as fertilizer at Sir Kruber's vineyards, complete with custom voicelines from each character remarking that she is worth less than the dung she collects
>>563879975Your standards are low, she has a terrible accent
>>563874309>I hold my mouse entirely between my ifngers and move it with my fingersyour hand must be skilled, like a spider
>>563880091You're gay
Why the fuck are they taking so long to add more missions? At this point I'm willing to take ported vermintide missions.
>>563880402For every 10% of a level that's finished they take a 2 week vacation
>>563880402We just got a whole expedition with random maps you are being greedy.
>>563880612>random mapswrong
>>563880612Buddy it's the exact same map again
>>563880131I also do that. My thumb, pinky and ring finger hold the mouse while my index and middle finger click the buttons. I assumed everyone held a mouse that way. I play at a fairly high dps though and mostly control the mouse using wrist and fingers. Maybe that has something to do with it.
>>563880182Says the simp who wants to be dommed by manface Dukane with the fake accent.
>>563880663>>563880782procedure generated layouts then. There are unlimited different possibilities. You never play the same expedition twice.
>>563881510NTA but you are disingenuous to consider the randmized Expedition layouts as having enough variety to feel like there's any difference between them. Maybe if the areas looked a little like their concept art, but even then its just sandy canyon A with some crates and barrels or sandy canyon B with a wrecked half-tower playset from the tabletop game or Canyon C with a random crevasse in the middle.How many times have you run passed the same exact bridge on the way to extraction in zone 3?
>>563881510>procedure generated layouts >You never play the same expedition twice.Alternate reality posting is getting out of hand. Go back to your own dimension. Here we have maybe 3 small alternating map layouts and it just randomly changes which doors you go out and in from, and which of the sites are active.
>>563881510No, expeditions does not have procedurally generated layouts either. Try again. Or let me save you the effort of using yet another inaccurate language dogshit claim: It has random setpieces in set locations, pulling from a pool of what, 15 setpieces or something. That's it.
>>563872796How the fuck do you people hold your mice?I just couch my wrist on a wrist rest and move the mouse almost exclusively with my thumb and pinky like the superior fingertip grip chad that I am. I can't even imagine unga bunga ham fisting it and throwing my entire arm across the desk wtf.
>>563884413I do that too but I did do the arm thing for improving my aim in FPS. it's a thing you gotta do for low sens for more range kinda
Your wrist hurst because it is WEAK AND YOU ARE USING IT. LIFT
>>563880402>ported vermintide missionsI actually would love thiscertain ratclick missions would work really well in darktide with just a cosmetic re-work
>>563881363>>563880182>>563880091>>563879975Dukane’s accent is fine in other stuff, in Dying Light she’s good for example, but in Darktide she has awful direction
>>563874498I think part of it is that the gameplay is so reactionary, as well. Your weapons feel like they're only there to supplement the parry and gun strikes, which is unfathomably fucking stupid. You're a fucking space marine, why are you always on the back foot? I don't want a mindless power fantasy, but why does my drug addicted recently imprisoned reject feel stronger than a whole ass space marine? It just annoys the fuck out of me. I think it's seriously impressive how they seemingly learned nothing from existing successful horde games. >>563875381>sm2 feels like you're playing a dumb ogryn more than a space marineThat's pretty accurate, actually. Even the parrying, which the fucking combat is built around, feels like you're fighting the built in delay on top of an intentionally delayed animation and it feels like shit.
>>563887145Yeah I'm sure the VA as a professional has some other work where she did a much more acceptable job.
>>563886136>it's a thing you gotta do for low sensTrue and correct but why would you play low sens in a PVE game with hitboxes as large as darktide, especially with how often you have to whip around to check corners, check behind yourself, or drag melee swings?
>>563887571I dunno I don't do it for darktide either, I phrased it ambigiously but I meant I used to do it for actual competitive pvp FPS where I felt I was at a disadvantage doing my usual high sens method Darktide is just comfy with high sens cause there's no aiming whatsoever, all the hitboxes are massive and if you're not braindamaged you just know where things walk so you never need to twitch aim
>>563888123Yeah I have my sensitivity somewhere around 2-3x higher compared to other games, and my melee sens is higher yet. It's actually a little jarring swapping between games, going back to darktide, and doing several full rotations in one sweep across the mousepad lol.
>>563887372damn that's trueshe has done alright voice acting beforeso there must be some swede telling her to do a bad job on purposeand then taking a 2 week vacation to think of other ways to fuck with the playerbasesuch is the way of swedish devs
>>563886239I masturbate so much that I could beat Arnie in an arm-wrestling match with my right hand
>>563886239I already lift and that doesn't help because the problem is I click too many damn times.
>>563887195It’s even more annoying because while SM1 wasn’t anything special, this was the one area they had down pat. The ability to regenerate lost health by dealing back damage before the bar went down made you feel like a self sufficient super soldier, you could get yourself in a tight situation and still bounce back if you played the game right. In SM2 it’s almost always like the smallest mistake ends in you being ass raped most of the time with stuff like parrying being your only way out. Or at least from what I remembered of my brief period with it.
Ive been playing Ready or NotInteresting game
>bored of darktideaurics are too easy, easier than legend in VT2. finding a group for havoc is unviable if you haven't been carried to 40 already. All there is left to do is grind penances and masteries which feels like slop content.the player character is way too fucking powerful. no doubt scaled to be viable in havoc but the game is SO easy outside of it. so many moments that would be wipes in VT can be solved by tossing a grenade or pressing your INSANELY low cooldown 'win' button. cooldowns are WAY too low with how much CDR you can get
>>563893447>pressing your INSANELY low cooldown 'win' button. cooldowns are WAY too*puts down crate**it farts**NIGGER! :D**does literally nothing useful and dies*
>>563891370It's cool. I heard they made bad changes but game's probably still cool.
>>563893447>finding a group for havoc is unviable if you haven't been carried to 40 alreadyIt works fine as long as you filter the retards forever stuck in the trench like you :)
>>563893447>aurics are too easy, easier than legend in VT2That's only because it's easier to get good players in aurics, from my experience.. I don't even have to pull my weight most of the time. Meanwhile in legend if I'm the best player, my team is probably screwed.
>>563898490idk i applied for a 23 after finishing my maelstrom and starting at 16. got denied so i opened a lobby and waited like 5 mins, no one joined so i'm writing the mode off as dead until proven otherwise
>>563900982If you're starting from absolute zero you're in for a bad time.
half a bottle of vodka deep and i still cant find retards in snoric who dont need reviving minimum of 15 times per mission
>>563893447>if you haven't been carried to 40 already.Bold assumption to make that getting carried to 40 is that trivial lol. Even bolder assumption that some random shitter that got pisscord carried has a chance in hell of staying there after a reset, instead of immediately hemorrhaging ranks via wipe after wipe and demoting back into the low 20s where they belong.>>563900982Anything sub-30 is sub-human anyway, possibly the worst that darktide can possibly get. Only actual brain damaged droolers get stuck there, so climbing out naturally is an exercise in patience because you'll have to filter through countless literal retards.Don't expect to get very far with joining games either, because the pressure to accept higher ranking players is high. If you lose, the game punishes you, so why accept someone that isn't going to carry you? Low ranks are legitimately worthy of the "toxic" buzzword, and possibly the biggest slaves to their objectively incorrect and retardedly warped perception of what they consider to be "meta".
>>563900982>i opened a lobby and waited like 5 mins, no one joinedlet me guess ur an arbie with castigators stance and green weps
every lobby i join in auric is fucking empty or has 1 player thats worse than a bot, is this game fucking dead? no i dont want to farm fucking tech remnants in malice expeditions
>>563900982>waited like 5 mins,lol I completely glossed over thateven filling a 40 lobby takes anywhere from 5~40 minutes depending on the time of day, how picky you want to be, and what unpopular class you're looking for that you're willing to play instead of waiting for a rando to fill it (see: ogryn)>>563902468I wouldn't be surprised, given the entitlement oozing from anon's posts. It's always the turbo shitters that act this way.
>>563902054rolled the russian roulette again and got paired with 2 fellow h40s, i wish it wasnt so random but i'll take it. just wanna finish my melks weeklies
>>563902685i am not fucking waiting 40 minutes for a matchat the same time, what else am i gonna do? spam maelstroms?
>>563902698nvm it was a wipe lmao, both of them rushed ahead and died then i get netted through like 3 walls. i give up, malice expeditions it is
>>563903061You wait 40 minutes to assemble teammates that hopefully turn out to be good and have synergy in both builds and playstyles, then stick together and climb multiple ranks over the next couple hours. The time investment assembling a party is actually much lower in the lower levels than it is at havoc 40, where groups often disband quickly. A group successfully making the climb from 30-40 tends to stick together for at least 3-4 games in my experience.>but that's commitment and time investment!Well yeah no shit, havoc isn't a casual mode at all. If it ain't for you, it ain't for you, no need to force yourself.>what else am i gonna do? spam maelstroms?If regular aurics are too easy and you just want to drop into a quick casual match, then yes. That's about your best option. No Man's Land is the next best thing, as the mission tends to be much harder than others.
>>563903350>You wait 40 minutes
>>563903134Ah you met the infamous speedrun twinsClassicThis is all they do btw
>>563908638How can you have over 3000 hours in the game and still eat shit consistently enough that multiple people can independently confirm how much of a useless faggot you are?It's kind of impressive.Maybe it's that German 'tism.
>>563908839This is a perfect case that shows that level, rank, title, playtime, etc or the lack thereof means literally nothing, theres never a simple metric to determine how good a player is until you actually SEE THEM PLAYMistakes still happen but like, even just watching the little things that people do can be a sign theyre crazy good without levels or titles, or the opposite
>>563909350>level, rank, title, playtime, etc or the lack thereof means literally nothingSome of the harder to get penances at least gatekeep the most retarded individuals imaginable. The bar for most of them isn't high (including True Survivor if you get micro managed and carried, leap frogging from cuckbubble to cuckbubble with 3 bodyguards lol) but the bar does exist.There's still the pattern of h40 badges performing much better as a baseline, than some embarrassing h23 peak shitter that evidently didn't make it further because they are genuinely too bad at the game. I groan when I get more than 1 in the team, because each one adds +5 minutes to a run, minimum.
>>563893447>aurics are too easyi just started doing damnation missions today and they're super difficult for me
>>563910917Noob
>>563910917i played like 700-800 hours of VT2 before playing darktide. i'm not even that good but i have all the cataclysm banners
i dont undersatnd why people say vt2 is easy. legend/cata vt2 is far harder than snoreic darktide
>>563911619They never learned to dodge or slide properly, and are dying to gunners. Very likely also running turbo retarded curio perks instead of just taking 2-3 gunner resist like a normal person. This is an extremely common phenomenon.
>>563911447yes...>>563911517i played like 100 hours of l4d2 before playing darktide
>>563911726i run exclusively 9 stamina, 36% stamina regen, 45% sprint efficiency, and 12% cdr on all classes and builds
>>563912063Congratulations on your autism diagnosis
>>563912063i genuinely and sincerely do not give a single flying fuck about taking less damage or whatever im sick and tired of being a slow fuck in darktide
>>563912160>sprint for a very, very short time until reaching maximum velocity>immediately slide>proceed to move at some ~95% of sprint speed at a microscopic fraction of the cost>repeat>let some shooter chip your toughness for a stamina refillSee: never learned to slide>b-but muh APMskill issue
>>563910917it takes timeso much of the game is just getting your reactions, game sense, situational awareness, and just general muscle memory of combat down which is a lot to juggle at once but it can be done and youll start managing all of it without thinkingif you told me id be falling asleep in aurics because id find them way too boring, i wouldnt believe you and think youre crazy, cuz at the time i was literally dying to basic hordes in damnation (pre-skill trees)
>>563910917>>563914703my training arc was in VT2, i tried to get the challenge for completing every mission on legend with bounty hunter. the class was super unforgiving but by the time i did the challenge i was able to easily clear the campaign with every other class
>>563912063I FEEL THE NEED
what blessings for heavy eviscerator? i feel like whatever i take the relic blade is still better
>>563921201>i feel like whatever i take the relic blade is still betterYeah.
>>563921201You go with shred and rampage. (Rampage description is misleading, it's 36% strength, not just damage)Also to get the most out of the eviscerators you use martyrdom
>>563921201rent-free
>>563921201well, yeah. thats cuz it is better. its one of the best melees in the game, its kinda hard to compete. trying to compare the two is kind of a lost cause, and instead you should be using which you enjoy and have more fun using and having that reach its potential rather than making comparisonsthat being said i cannot fucking stand chain weapons so ive not used evis in a long while, notably including after the changes they made to them, so my word on blessings is as good as dirt. but im an idiot so im still gonna talk anyway. rampage is typically a go to, and then you could take shred if you were leaning into crit stuff, or wrath if youre not. if youre leaning into crit stuff and going into havoc, drop rampage to take both wrath and shred, or take perfect strike and shred since you need the cleave there (perfect strike gives crits 4x cleave). desu i dont see a reason to run crit evis anymore with the CDR changes which was the main purpose, but some people still like it so w/e>>563921619half agreed, heavier weapons that dont scale amazingly with crits prefer to avoid piety like evis so they go to martyrdom or IJ for more raw damage and attack speed. IJ gets slept on pretty hard cuz it doesnt list the dodge distance, speed, and refresh rate buffs that the stacks give which is a massive boon to lower mobility weapons like evis and shouldnt be overlooked. its definitely a personal preference thing on which you enjoy and feel more comfortable with, but i wouldnt say one is strictly better than the other
>>563921950>IJ gets slept on pretty hardWatch out, you're about to trigger the meltiest of melties from the resident schizo
>>563879971I mean nobody calls him that I guess, I had to check their name on gameslanter lmao.Usually I just call them dreg shooters or ranged grunts.
>>563921950IJ is shit because it is designed for malice. It relies on running instead of fighting. Which works for low density but does fuckall anywhere above malice.
>>563925365retard
>>563925402>tax nodes good
>>563925434>implying zealot is at all pressed for pointsDouble retard
>>563925434>>563925365even with this dodge node, it is the absolute least investment keystone on multiple fronts.it has nodes on the way you wont ever be upset to take, and the core must haves are less than both of the other keystones, with the only other node worth taking there, the toughness one, matching it on par with the other keystones in terms of point cost.plus, it doesnt require a finesse scaling weapon, or require wound+damage taken to get the most out of it. you just play the fucking video game and it works.also worth noting that it adds 3 stacks ON DODGED ATTACK, not on a dodge that dodges an attack. you can reliably get 6-9 stacks from a single dodge in a realistic engagement, and its only more common the higher in difficulty you go. so its actually the inverse, it's worse in malice and better in auric+havoc
>>563921201shred + rampagei recommend martyrdom, but all keystones are viable. I just feel like the weapon REALLY needs attack speed, which is why i stick mostly to martyrdrom and sometimes IJ.
>>563927897This wall of text still doesn't mean it's a good keystone.Marty and BP both blow it out of the water handily.
>>563921950>IJ gets slept on pretty hard cuz it's fucking bad and just plain inferior to both other keystones.
>>563929224>nuh uhyou people are unreal
>>563929339I called it two hours ago, anon. >>563922027
>>563929391yeah you really didwhy do i even bother talking here againi remember a while back when i said taxe is actually pretty decent and the entire place collapsed in on itself, someone saying achlys without bm was still better than taxe at its peakthen taxe got a 0.1 carapace adm buff and like 50 more damage on one attack (very minor buff) and people finally realized it didnt suck, almost like i wasnt wrong or something
>the rippertard/light attackfag is talking to himself again
>>563930803who
>>563921201>VelcrospidermanKWABHavoclet.
>>563928165yeah it feels so fucking slow coming from even martyrdom-less relic blade build, no way i'd use it without martyr
Been playing Necromunda and man, StreumOn definitely understands scale. The second level is a train level and the size of the train is satisfying. A leaf-spring the size of a modern train car with the train itself stuffed to overflowing with cargo containers. OSHA be damned, the Omnissiah blessed this route. *dies to a fucking signal that serves no purpose other than to kill the player* lmao
>>563934358>StreumOn definitely understands scale.The only thing StreumOn consistently does reasonably well with, is the artistic side of video games.Unfortunately they've yet to get the actual game portion right even a single time.
Fuck fartshart
>>563936223Many have been saying this.Kinda wish we had a new and decent co-op game.
>>563936447you could play slay the spire 2
>>563934358Just wait until you see the sump beast.
>>563898854>play zealot on legend>team has waystalker, ironbreaker and battle wizard>they kill seemingly nothing the whole match>even the ironbreaker goes down repeatedly>match goes on for what seems like an eternity>still finish somehow>I killed 65 specials>as zealot>elf killed 12>as waystalker>the rest killed single digits>needless to say I also killed more elites than the rest combinedall I ask for is one, just one teammate who knows wtf they are doingis that really too much
>>563910917if you just started damnation I'm guessing you haven't unlocked any 500 rated weapons, maybe don't even have your operatives at lvl30 yetbeing able to put the right blessings on your weapons and the right talents on your operatives makes a huge differenceeven experienced players sometimes have problems when leveling up a new operative because of thisI saw true survivors going down repeatedly in low difficulties when the hive scum DLC dropped and everyone had to level up their gangster
>>563937563>I saw true survivors going down repeatedly in low difficulties when the hive scum DLC droppedHive scum had an absolutely abysmal skill tree on release, with absolutely zero defensive nodes available to the glass cannon class, unlocking no viable defenses before level 12 or something retarded, and locking the good nodes behind some 20 points of investment. You had to play close to perfect to even survive while leveling, it was pretty fucked up.
>playing damnation/aurics before hitting level 30 with a 500 power weapon with correct blessings and refinements and curiosWhy? You are not going to have a good time. You are going to have to work maybe twice as hard to get the same results as someone who just plays Heresy until they get geared and leveled. Is it an ego thing? I bet it is.
>>563938229>Is it an ego thing?No, it's normal game progression now. If you genuinely don't know better, you're just going to follow the game design, and fagshart, in their infinite wisdom, have this big colorful bar filling up with each victory, until you unlock the next difficulty. A new player isn't going to know that Sw*des are incompetent faggots, and assume they're supposed to hit damnation, auric, maelstroms and then havoc, as soon as they unlock it.I can't blame a noob for falling into the Sw*dish trap. I'd only call them retarded after being corpse dragged through several consecutive missions, because that can NOT be fun.
>>563937898Yeah I know. It felt like a true test of a player's grasp of the core mechanics of the game. You got good mobility and high dodge count but you can't get hit more than twice in a row by almost anything, and don't even think about tanking a hit from an elite, ever. Although at the spawn volume of the lower difficulties that's pretty easy, if you just adjust your mindset to it.
>>563938737It's just such a jarringly massive difference after leveling arbitrator, who gets actual god-tier defensive nodes within 5 points of investment, and one of the strongest guns, that also happens to not need any blessings, at fucking level 1. Only the melee damage is godawful until you're really far down the tree, but the OP shotgun more than compensates for it, and the dog is basically a free win in the babby difficulties anyway. Especially when there was 4 of them.Oh also, teams with 4 scum were often a near-guaranteed wipe while leveling. True survivors struggling meant that the average ASSlet barely even got to play before eating shit.
>there are people right now, in this thread, who do not have 1 of each available class at level 30>and those that do skip the campaign>relying on skill to carry them through aurics>but they have no toughness regen and bitch blitzeslmao
>>563939176Well like I said, I think it's mostly a matter of mindset. I've been maining zealot since ratclick so I'm very used to being in situations where you can't get hit by anything, ever, not even taking a sliver of chip damage. So I didn't have issue doing that as hive scum. But I can see how someone who's used to having tons of useful talents as well as having competent teammates could go down even in babby difficulty where your team consists of either equally low level gangsters or actual malicelet shitters.
Give Ogryn a cool laser weapon>buh buh buh 40k turbo autism dictates no you can't have that one because blah blah, you can't have this other one because blah blah blah
>>563929513lmfao I remember that were you the one who posted the H40 tacaxe duo vid in response? Crazy how obsessed this place can be with bad takes and a complete unwillingness to consider the possability that they're wrong
>>563938229Pubs joining the highest difficulty they can because the game lets them has always been a thing. It's usually less ego and just plain retardation.
>>563941025He should only get a multi laser.Lascannon is cringe sniper shit and doesn't fit ogryn thematically since he is an unga bunga melee grug brawler.
>>563938229>You are going to have to work maybe twice as hard to get the same resultsWhen I was leveling my zealot, I started doing Damnation at 22 with the relic blade and still performed better than kitted out 30s. Damnation is not difficult, and Auric is just Damnation with higher breakpoints.
>>563941025GW says no.>butNo means no.
>>563921950>prefer to avoid piety like evisEvis gets shred, retard
>>563912160hard agreeI love using this psyker build, for extremely high mobility and primary fire spammovement speed buffs>+5% passive node>up to +15% from Mettle>+20% from Warp Speed>+20% from Disrupt Destinythe only conditionals are just "keep Scrier's Gaze active" and "keep killing things" which you should be doing anywaycritical chance on electro staff>7.5%(psyker's base crit chance)>5% passive node>5% aura>5% weapon perk>21% from crit bonus stat>20% from Warp Nexus>20% from Scrier's Gazeadds up to 83.5%, can practically get from 68.5% to that as long as you keep Scrier's Gaze active since Warp Nexus depends on peril level and Scrier's Gaze ramps it up and down automatically, still a very nice crit chancethere's Empathic Evasion there too so crits make you immune to ranged for 1s. So basically you're entirely immune to gunfire as long as you keep shooting backbrainburst is there mainly for kinetic flayerthere's +3 stamina in the talent tree, and kinetic deflection, so blocking won't be a problem, nevermind the fact that the dueling sword has a parry nowthe dueling sword is also highly mobile so if you're wielding it while sprinting you'll sprint fasterand as pointed out, you'll never run out of stamina if you keep slidingwith 2X sprint efficiency perks and 1 stamina recovery perk on the curios it's downright impossible to run out of stamina while sprintingit's very good, double-plus-good in expeditions where you need to be able to move fast
>actually shitty thing is good and i'll prove it!>posts the most mediocre scoreboard you have ever seen
>>563944183Careful, you might make the IJfag mad.
>>563944453That retarded bitch is always mad
>still samefagging several hours laterIncredible how asshurt you are
>>563945042I have nothing to do with whatever argument you lost earlier in the thread, schizo retard
>>563945042Why would the fact that you got btfo'd make anyone asshurt except you?
>>563912063that's cool but we're not talking about (You)
>>563925402this is what you look like using inexorable justice
>>563937563>I saw true survivors going down repeatedly in low difficultiesOnce you get TS on one class, you get it for free on all classes. It's a stupid system but that's how it works. I'm a true True Survivor on Psyker and farmed h40 for months. But if you force me to play Veteran I'm just another malice shitter.
>>563946835I've never seen such a young man. I should try using IJ too, his youth is overpowering
>>563946835ugh. fine i'll give IJ another shot, if it means i can look and feel this young again
>>563946835Imagine how much pussy this guy gets.I'll start using IJ immediately, thanks.
>be shield arbi>tip of the spear>enter room>everyone shoots my shield>teammates shoot over my shoulder, killing every ranged enemy as I tank them>i kill the remaining 3 bruisersnow THIS is what i'm fucking talking about! True coop.
>>563939424>there are fatshark devs with the true survivor title
>>563948214Or you could just stop being retarded and flashbang them instead of TOOOOOOOOOOOOONKing, then go in and crush their skulls.In fact, you could also just slide through their bullets.
>>563948673that's part of it, but you don't understand
>>563948763Correct, I'm not dumb enough to cower behind my shield when I could just pull out my gun and suppress or outright kill any shooters. assuming I've not already slid through their fire to shove my stun stick up their assholes. Glad we're on the same page.
>>563948214>be shield arbi>tip of the spear>enter room>everyone shoots my shield>break the line immediately, whole room falls down>start laying the beatdown with high attack speed>anything not dead starts standing up>flashbang>resume beatdown>they exit stagger>break the line again>resume beatdown>everything in the room is dead>teammates enter the room
>be me>tip of the spear>enter room>get mating pressed>get mating pressed violently>everyone mating presses me incredibly roughly>cant stand up anymore>They continue to mating press me>teammates enter room>they mating press me tooNo...
God do I wish ogryn had better weapons. Shield is my favorite and it feels like I do literally fuck all to the enemies.
>>563952747Works fine on Malice
>>563952747The shield is basically a skullcrusher/bleed stick that applies status effects and stagger to everything so your teammates can melt them, it's very good at that.
>>563948947>wasting ammo when you could just use stamina, which is infinitelmao
>>563952747I wish ogryn weapons didnt punish you so hard if you dared to use anything other than H1. The absolute fucking state of ogryn animations and base damage is insane.
>>563954092>killing things is a waste of ammoDECLINED~
>>563954209>he thinks we're talking about havocthat's cute
>little babby hasnt graduated from playing havocSorry retard, we're playing the actually hard game modes.
>>563954282Yeah, clearly you're talking about Uprising
>>563951501that's not very coop of you
>>563954470No it isn't, I will mother duck you and you WILL like it
>>563954454The true difficulty is auric maelstrom, because it attracts the shittest of shitters. h40 is easy because it's full of tryhards.
>>563954581>I will mother duck you and you WILL like itnow THIS is coop!
>>563952214If you had to pick one, and only one. What would you say is your most favorite position?
>>563952214i'd give you the tip of my spear if you know what im sayin
>>563937898>Pay to be sweatyIs way more preferable to>Pay to win with little effortWhich arbites isAlso>Play perfectMore like darktidey with the emphasis on having room to moveIt's the "dont get stuck in there" class like veteranAlso with an easier time than zealot because >High stamina>Combine with ranged immunity on sprint
>>563938229>correct blessings and refinements and curiosI think I have this problem. Heresy is a comfort zone and maybe a bit too easy but I fuck with Damnation sometimes. It feels like a struggle unless I have a noticeably competent team, which is why I have never really attempted Auric.
>>563938229>>563938509I remember in the early era of the game people spamming malice till 30Then you had a bunch of max lv people who just suckedThe real issue is combat fundies for tide take like 100 hours to set in and tourist gamers will never put in the time to be competentBut they'll bitch about muh bars and story plenty
>>563934358There was a lot more they could have done with it even then>>563946835How did the even become a meme
>>563952214??????
How would one go about learning Vermintide's story, I was going through most of the missions without even hearing a single comment about everyone's opinions on Sienna now being a necromancer and on the final mission of the Karak Something campaing everyone's pissed at each other while Kruber's trying to hold the boat together.
>>563957370??? the missions are literally ordered wtf are you talking about.
>>563957370Read the dev blogs for the details but if I remember, Saltzpyre chimped out when he saw Sienna become a necromancer and tried to kill everyone
>>563957370There’s not much explanation given it’s just a gameplay concession thing like how Kruber suddenly became a French grail knight.
>>563954080I guess, but it doesn't feel like it helps that much in havoc. >>563954160Yeah, that sucks a lot too. Most ogryn weapons have fuck all combos to do.Nevermind ranged weapons, I just wish the ripper guns had more tighter spread so you can land more pellets on target.
>>563958719Yeah but it seems like half of everything happens off screen and is only alluded to.
aaaaaaaahhhhhhh another havoc 40 game lost cause someone got DC'd and didn't rejoin for literally 8+ mins and had to restart twice only to respawn dead very far away when we already had a deadweight psyker that kept hugging the floor every 2 mins
Fart
>>563972287only post made in almost an hour
>>563946885>But if you force me to play VeteranPretend you're using a voidstrike (bowling ball) staff.
>>563955807Arbites is more fun to play however.
>>563954620No, auric maelstrom is what the 1% plays when they're not in the mood for h40. The real zoo is the other maelstrom.
>>563972287Shart...
expeditions really saved us guys can't you see?
>>563980516Saved us from reinstalling.
>>563980608hehehe
>>563980784I'm gay but ngl I would let Anne Hathaway rim my asshole
There's too few fantasy class based coop games...Granblue Relink gets repetitive and you have to fight the same bosses 20 times just to get to 2 new unique bosses, and I do have my eye on Dark and Darker but the mixed reviews are putting me off.
>>563982107Worst post in the thread award
>>563979837When im not in the mood for h40 I just dont fucking playFatshark ruined the enjoyment of everything below with their dogshit powercreep balancing>>563980051I saw one of the playtesters on the main discord lose his shit on the "biggest content injection since launch" line in the dev blog, which was a quote from the lead game director, and they said it only showed just how delusional and disconnected he is with the game he is "leading" if he thinks expeditions is a huge amount of fun content
Ogryn should have 100 base toughness.
>>563987182Ogryn getting 50% dr nearly permanently this patch as a passive kinda removed the need for this
>>563987310He still should have it.
>>563987509You can face tank bursters without breaking toughness if you just dodge dude, hes fine
>>563987940100 base toughness or bust.
>>563986501>When im not in the mood for h40 I just dont fucking playlol I've come to the same place now. The few times I play auric maelstroms theres always at least one other H40 dude there and the game's just a borderline snoozefest
>>563983238dark and darker in a relative renaissance period. they just tossed the lead dev off the project and hit a record 3 good patches in a row
Does anyone know exactly how the damage from Zealot's Desperation talent is calculated? (Up to +20% Melee damage based on missing stamina) After some testing, I'm only getting a 12% - 13% increase in damage, when completely out of stamina. Is it a bugged talent? Not that I really want to use it, I just thought it might be worth taking on a knife build when I'm constantly spamming push attacks. But certainly not if it doesn't actually give the 20% damage it claims.
>>563992101So how many more patches until the game is considered good again?
>>563994087You probably have other % damage talent nodes and they stack additively.
>>563994087Its 2% per 10% of missing staminaBut damage buffs are additive with other damage buffs, so the more you have, the less new ones will actually do.Maxxed out desperation on a build with +100% damage from other sources will only see a 10% increase in final damage vs without it, cuz its just adding onto the the big damage buff number that it multiplies the base damage of the hit by.Its why strength is so huge, cuz thats multiplicitive with damage buffs (though additive with itself, if desperation was strength then it would be a 20% increase cuz itd be the +100% x 1.2
Man this mission was fucked up, if it weren't for me bringing a flail the rotshield spam throughout the missions would've taken me 10 minutes on it's own.
>>563980516Member the dumb faggot saying that expeditions would kill havoc?I member
>>563898854>>563936985That's because anyone worth their salt has already graduated to cata and never looked back.
>>563995864yeah, he was wrongexpeditions killed darktide
>>563994802>>563995175Ok so after testing again making sure to have no talents or weapon perks or blessing that give +damage ( except Sustained assault talent because you have to have that one to get Desperation, but Im making sure to not have any stacks of that when I attack)Combat blade push attack bodyshot on a groaner at full stamina = 190 damageAt no stamina =213For a percentage increase of 12.11%Is there still something I'm doing wrong in my testing?
>>563994563honestly it opened my eyes to extractionslop, all extraction games play exactly the same: pvp is a trap if you wanna actually get anything done
>>563997137What if Im not particularly interested in pvp
>>563997096You're likely missing Duellist's trigger, which will be active a lot of the time in actual gameplay but isn't easy to test in the meatgrinder.
>>563997096>>563997375Unless you're getting confused by it not giving you +20% damage, in which case read >>563995175 again.If you don't understand why +20% additive damage isn't giving you a +20% bigger number, then I'm afraid you might be too mathematically retarded for me to even begin explaining.
>queue up for expedition thinking I'll quickly hammer out my melk assignments>zeta so I don't have to carry literal disabled children through the tard levels>no players found>no players found>no players found>get a griefing retard that calls the valk with 7 minutes left on the clock>no players found>no players found>spawn in with 0 mats on 70% corruption in the fucking sanctuary>no players found>no players found>on a FUCKING SUNDAYlmfao good job Sven you fucking RETARD
>>563998234>on a FUCKING SUNDAY
>>563998295>what are time zonesFound the inbred
>>563998403What made you think you were going to find people latenight in europe when it's deader than NA? Or god forbid a*stralia at all.
>>563998714Not being dumb enough to try only a single server did.Only literal sub-humans or dead matches across 3 different regions. Genuinely unplayable mode unless I want to run solo for 70% of the mission and then get some nigger forcing the valk way too early after I did literally all the hard work.
>>563997329i played rogue and played it like a stealth game, very fun to stealth around real players since you can put out torches and all that
>releases in 4 weeksThey're gona delay it, right? Its still seems half baked.
>>563999445Wait...is it impossible to avoid real players in Dark and Darker?
>punishment (40% stagger)>grievous wounds (50% stagger on headshots)Is this enough to turn the ds4 into a decent bonk stick?
>>563997096Im not sure why its so drastic in difference, but what i can say are two thingsThe base damage of a knife PA to the body is about 151ish damage at maxed weapon stats, so not including any buffs or anything (you can verify this on gameslantern, the range of an unarmored body hit on a heavy sweep is 75 to 175, which would put an 80% roll at around that 151ish range. The push attack for both knives share this exact profile which is why you can check this way despite GL not showing PAs.) Yours is at 190, which tells me that you probably have some damage somewhere you missed. Not only that, but I know you do because there's a 10% melee dmg stay node on the way there that is mandatory pathing, so it'll always be a little less than 20%.The source of how its damage works is from kuli's steam guides which are basically gospel. He reads the code regularly with each patch to update and verify EVERYTHING, he knows the game better than a lot of the devs at this point. Just mentioning my source so you can check yourself rather than just hear me babble
>>564000208No, those are percentage increases which are working based on the impact the weapon does baseline. A low number multiplied by 90% is still going to be a low number, and you wont stagger anything meaningful with that
>>564000208The days of staggering fucking anything with the dueling sword are over since they took the special poke out back and domed it.
>>564001194Good that shit was retardedA weapon with overpowered offense shouldn't have a special with overpowered defense
>>564001674We still have retards who think, to this day, that the parry was somehow an improvement over the overpowered stun stab (LMFAOOOOO)
>>564001843Could you clown on a sword captain with the poke?
>>563999901yes, even the PVE mode has other players, which ironically makes it exponentially worse for loot because you can't do anything when someone gets to and loots a room first.although the game really doesn't have that much 'meat' once you take other players out of the equation. every enemy (including the bosses) is a 'puzzle' that once you solve, the enemy will never hit you again.loot has been improved but it's still uninteresting. all the modifiers are some form of either health ups or damage ups. all the interesting loot is locked behind droprates so low the only players you see with artifacts probably bought them with real money unless they're a streamer, in which case they got it for free from the chat
>>564002132No, it couldn't stun bosses, which is the only advantage the parry has over it.But you could stun a crusher before it was about to mulch your retards, stop charging mutants, etc.
>>564001843The parry is what it shoulda always been, its a DUELling sword. Cmon.Itd have its existence justified too if the stabs were toned back moderately, and the parry damage was that of the old stabs but slightly higher, encouraging its use for big damage.It also needs to stay exactly how it is defensively, the devils claw parry has 0.2s of block frames after the parry which fits its style of being a parry for groups, and the duelling sword should not have it go justify its high damage as the single target duelling parry.
Why would someone take a talent that staggers barely anything?
>>564002805Oh the parry is absolutely more appropriate balance wise and I think it kind of reined in the dueling sword from being retardedly OP to the point of invalidating all other weapons, to, combined with the other nerfs, just being a top-tier weapon now.We just had a handful of tards (or one samefagging schizo) acting as if the poke was somehow useless and the parry somehow makes you invulnerable. Anyone who actually used the poke will remember entire crusher trains just getting stunlocked by 3 toothpicks even in havoc lol.
>>564002905To barely survive.
>>564002905This got massively nerfed right before release to the point of uselessness and therefore didnt have enough time to be replaced before launchSome tester said it was literally a mini voc with its range and stagger level so it was just hilariously broken and ruined the game which is why it got changed
>>564002905The mod that is changing this description is grabbing from kulis steam guides, cuz this is how he describes how bad it is. Doesn't even breakdown how it works, he just calls it dogshit
>>564003554kek understandable
I've been a bit obsessed with the Outlast Trials lately and am hoping someone could answer a question I have since next to no one seems to have an answer to this: Do the Ex-Pops get rewarded for killing Reagents?The Prime Assets are doing it to either get off literally or mentally like Franco and Coyle, Mother Gooseberry is just psychotic, or they simply revel in the situation in general. The only exceptions are Liliya who is doing it for some religious reason to spread her personal gospel, Otto and Arora are doing it to eventually get some sort of upper hand over Easterman, and the Jaeger is borderline mentally checked out and moving on autopilot.With the Ex-Pops I don't really get what they get out of it. Some of them are literally insane from Lathe One which I get; they're sort of just surviving and lashing out wildly without thinking about it. The Night Hunters are mentally checked out to a degree and seem to only be doing it to test out their chemical concoctions. Outside of that what exactly do the Imposters, the Pitchers, the Pushers, and the grunts get out of it? They get to live another day? Are they punished for not managing to kill a Reagent?
Lucky me.
>It's another episode of 2 of my teammates going down while i have taunt upLiterally how does this even happen?
>>564005162>runs off in the opposite direction to farm a spawn door>a singular poxwalker shows up>mumblerap at 200% volume drowns out any audio cues>already overwhelmed just pressing 2 buttons>too brain-fogged to engage peripheral vision>poxer hits>poxer hits again>poxer hits a third time, down>other retard face tanks a sniperThis shit happens all the time in auric.
>>564005162Taunt isnt infallible, sometimes taunted enemies just continue to attack who they were attacking for a few attacks before switching, this is extremely noticeable with bosses. This results in people who assume the taunt is fully protecting them getting hit with easily avoidable attacks and eating shit because they put too much faith in the taunt.Plus, shit can still enter the taunt range after all pulses are done, so theyre just not taunted which results in a similar effectAnd ranged enemies sniping from far outside the range too
>>564005162Oh and im not saying youre doing this specifically but it can happenThe taunt ogryn can absolutely be the cause of the death, dragging enemies through teammates which results in their deathI think one of my highest causes of death is when a blob of enemies just phases through my hitbox to reach the taunt ogryn, rendering me completely unable to move as an enemy that isnt taunted walks up and rapes me
>>564005507>this is extremely noticeable with bosses.Taunt does not aggro monsters. Only captains switch aggro. Every enemy included bosses receives a brief stagger. You might be thinking havoc captains eating a stun-immune stimm and continuing to flail their sword animation through your taunt while their turn speed is limited and the aggro switch doesn't appear immediate as a result.
>>564005992Youre right, I was wrong about bosses after double checking documentation.But it is worth noting the later pulses in taunt dont stagger enemies, which can lead to attacks continuing on their targets like i was saying
>>564005029I’ll answer this when I’m not busting my ass at work
