Perfectly Normal Lydia>SSE Patch NotesCreation Updatehttps://bethesda.net/en/article/4ORD7tshfmHUN8H4ULSgE4/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-special-edition-creations-update-patch-notes Othershttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Special_Edition_Patch>Mods, Modding Guides, and FAQshttps://www.tesgeneral.com/>Found a problem or have a suggestion? Use the "Contact" button at the top right of the site.>/tesg/'s charactershttps://rentry.org/tesgrosters>character sheet workdocs (svg + png)https://mega.nz/folder/IFRhTLDR#zuf3jzqNvhlOgwu-ynim8g>Lore and Lore Accessorieshttps://www.imperial-library.info/https://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page>/tesg/'s sister thread:>>>/aco/teslg/ - /tesg/ Adult General (not dead but slow)>mega treasure trove of RUASLEEP and pre-AE USSEP patches, as well as OSex/OSA archiveshttps://mega.nz/folder/MzJzBSAR#H1K65jVzjSk11_JtGIP0ng>USSEP patcheshttps://rentry.org/mq2b8>minimal starting modlist geared towards returning usershttps://rentry.org/6wfys>comprehensive combat mod list and guide for anyonehttps://www.tesgeneral.com/doku.php?id=gameplay>gear list for gear peoplehttps://www.tesgeneral.com/doku.php?id=armorhttps://www.tesgeneral.com/doku.php?id=weapons>monster and quest guideshttps://rentry.org/nse6tpiwhttps://rentry.org/gdcmg9wt>/tesg/ mods and followershttps://rentry.org/fif5kswd>Join the /tesg/ discordhttps://discord.com/invite/JX9pr57Elder Thread: >>563802129
WaifusLoreBunnies
erik thot slayer
discordhusbandos anti-lore
discuss waifu buttholes
>>563904261Just pretend that the word Edition is there after Lydia.
>>563904412poop comes from there ya know
>>563904450how can you say you love her if you can't even eat her poop
>>563904450nah i modded that out
>>563904412List your favorite buttholes.
>>563904450This is why cock > vagina > anus.
>>563904648piss comes from there ya know
>>563904412no
She's not going to get in trouble for this, is she?
>>563904587bijin buttholedemoniac buttholelovergirl buttholefsc buttholebnp buttholeube buttholes need not apply
>>563904839I love that Meridia statue
>>563904348erik HOE-PUSHERstrange that he's the only two handed light armor skilled character in a game composed entirely of barbarians
>>563904450>>563904706Total boobular domination (TBD) wins again
>>563904648>he doesn't know about cockshitsNGMI lil pup
>>563904412
>see texture up close>"kind of looks like shit">remember that those textures have looked like shit up close no matter the texture mod(s) and even in other people's screenshots>feel betterThat said, if I see some low-resolution mesh/texture, how would I go about finding a suitable mod apart from just trying a few keywords on the nexus?
>>563906048how many waifu buttholes has she tongued?
>>563906824Not enough. >tfw idk how to make a follower
>>563904450>>563904706Proof?
what are you browngenders up to?>sniff sniff
>>563906824like 3 or 4. might do more>>563906892who is ur waifu?
>>563907025>like 3 or 4. might do moreproof?
>>563904917I should give his other mods a try. I was going to say it's unfortunate that he hasn't done any gear, but maybe some people giving attention to overlooked assets is a good thing.
>>563907505there's at least 3 in the /aco/ thread right now lol
>>563907013brews and skyrim
>>563907607we need more
>>563907732then whom?
>>563907767the thicc ones
>>563907638what brews?
There was SMP beards and you queers didn't even tell me.
>>563908138There are SMP beards, anon.
>>563908590WHAT?
>>563908138I keep my beards short.I have made Big Boss in every video game with a character creator since MGSV. No I don't have pictures atm.I also began Big Boss-maxxing IRL since that day. Working out, Ponytailing, Short-bearding. Need some scars tho.
>makes spergender noises
>>563907638brews, home..
This is not at all how I imagined this character would change to over time.
>>563908954I,he looks like me. He Looks Like Me.Thank you. Thank you so so much.
>>563908954he forgot to unlock the minoxidil perk tree
>>563908954snake fell on hard times
I overslept the anon asking waifus to wear that lewd tunic, no...
>>563909173wew
Should I give Skyrim VR another chance or just play on desktop
>>563909223neetsan?
i figured out what was causing the blocky body issue. apparently if you have too many nearby shadow emitting light sources it essentially breaks detailed shadows. setting the light sources further away from the body or reducing the amount of lights seems to fix it.
>>563909460>"mom I want to watch fellowship of the ring!>"we have lotr at home">Lord of the Browngenders
>>563904412How about we discuss waifu boobs>"but we ALWAYS discuss boobs!!"So what
>>563909798why don't you like butts?
>>563909798I seen it
>>563909798but i thought blacks were into anal
>>563909798booba indeed
no matter how much you try to force it an obsession with buttholes, feet, or armpits is not normal
Imperials are white
Pour one out for Genevieve, a vampire mistwalker slave I took from movarth's lair only to die at the hands of snow elves in some time dilation thing. Her sister is still alive at least. maybe I should give her some armor.
>>563910621Who's forcing anything?nevermind the thread just updated
>>563909798like sands of bag.
>>563910682check the seconds difference. I didn't see that post when I made that
>>563904261Vanilla Lydia face is pure sex, and that is a shoot!
>>563910729Who are those girls?
>>563910006Butts are nice, tiddies are better>>563910302Your preconceived notions are misguided >>563910398Surely the pit stretching will be fixed in VI when it releases in 8 years, right?
>>563910819a what
>>563910930>Surely the pit stretching will be fixed in VI when it releases in 8 years, right?I would hope so but I don't see getting better character skeletons and rigging as a high priority for them
>>563910819Post vanillydia then.
>>563911113Not fixed with starfield as far as I know
>>563911175
>>563911312That's not vanilla at all.
>>563908934kek
>>563907638heh brewgender
>>563911381then you are faceblind, which is a signal of autismhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1080
>>563911753How the fuck did i never found this at nexus?
>>563911753The textures are not vanilla therefore it is not vanilla, retard.
>563911936if you are attwhoring this bad to derail this fucking thread over fucking mods, what the fuck are you even doing here?
>>563912109>I like vanilla Lydia>okay post her>OWIE STOP HURTING MY ASS
>>563911381you can lyderally see vanilla lydia's facial morphs there, so yes you have faceblyndia
lydia should be raped
Ignore the autist baiter trying to derail this thread and post waifus.>>563912284Just ignore the retard he is trying to carve baits, same shit that happens at /wowg/.
>>563912331calm down vignarjesh
>pyvl>excuses>no vl postedhuh
>>563911113>>563911243wouldn't adding extra nodes solve that issue?>>563910918they're bullies
>>563910660Drag the body around with you until you can make her a zombie or something lol.
Vignar is a companion, so if you side with Stormcloaks are you dooming Whiterun to be run by a Werewolf?
>>563912869state mandated knotting will be a thing
>>563912869>doomingnord women fuck wolves
>>563912869Vignar isn't a werewolf, he isn't a member of the circle, who are the only ones that are werewolves.>>563912994wrong AWAG (all werewolves are gay)
>>563913029But he's really old. Why isn't he in the circle? Does he suck at fighting?
>>563913101His knot got soft.
>>563912768It might but it would probably be harder than that because you need the surface of the mesh/the texture to stretch and fold in ways that they're not really intended to. Shoulder movement just involves a lot of stuff shifting around beneath the surface in ways that conventional skeletal animation doesn't show very well.
>>563913101Skjor is the one who says you have to join the circle to be a full (blooded) companion, and he says it to you after you do like one quest and see Farkas turned.They were getting you into the secret club so you wouldn't go yammering about it
>>563913220its an allegory for the steinbergs isnt it
>>563913278Skyrim contains no allegories, only predictive portrayals of events in reality, because reality imitates skyrim.and no, unless you think aela's mitochondria ate yours and made you a circel
where's yarafag at?
>>563913643with his reddit buddies
>>563913643the blogging autist posted a few hours ago waifuorbiter
>>563913865I always found it funny that yarafag posted here where it openly calls anons days but would throw hissy fits over on reddit about ai, lol
>>563913987he literally just seethes nonstop about ai and reposts kek
>>563913987>*fags not days
What on earth, what is going on with the docks. I noticed this before but forgot to screenshot it and ask. It goes normal when I get close to it.
>>563914237wat ui mod
>>563910650Why are Imperial women so pretty especially in ESO?
>>563914237occlusion/parallax issue?
Haven't had to mess with bodyslide in so long I forgot the basics. If everything in my modlist is cherry and I just want to build a specific new outfit I added do I simply "build" each piece to zeroed sliders or do I "batch build" to zeroed sliders?
Getting a little tired of the Karliah special...
>>563914418https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/166086>>563914513Yeah, that's what I figured. I got parallax enabled, this is the only mesh that has the issue it seems.
>>563910650eh, not really
>>563914682thank you nigger
>>563914553Seems like batch building just streamlines the process and they have the same outcomes. I just hope it didn't fuck with my obody settings in my save, loading it now.
>>563914553Better to filter and batch build to properly generate morphs.
eh, not really
>>563915020Yeah I filtered it I didn't want to wait 5 minutes generating all the outfits that were already generated.
>>563914553I've had batch build screw up a few meshes before and I had to manually build to unfuck the outfits. Probably because I have 6k items in BS to build
Hi tesg, I have a question. I'm looking for a mod that adds radiant crafting quests as a way to organically level smithing, alchemy, and enchanting. Does anything like that exist? I would prefer it not to be super complex or intricate.
>>563915785Building the houses added by AE is organic smithing.
>>563915785This mod kinda does that but you need to have a bit of luck when it comes to getting a missive that has the crafting quest https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/166094
osomatsu-san!!dun dun dun dun dundun dun dun dun dunDun dun dun dun dunDun dunI got my ventra and ava NPCs to dance to the osomatsu san song via the Let's Dance mod
>>563915785Sidequests of Skyrim can let you temper npc's weapons and stuff as one of its options
>>563916062How many times is he gonna update it
what was the etymological origin of the city name reich gradkeep
>>563916960Probably some D&D placename generator roll table.
waifus for this feel?
>>563914454because they're white unlike redguard and nord women
mofu mofu~ /tesg/
/tesg/ Japan meetup circa 2011https://youtu.be/R4WkOEXBm-4
I am once again asking why freckles look dark in racemenu but washed out in game, please lorebeards I need this for my waifu
>>563919597Have you tried toggling the racemenu light?
>>563919597womm
>>563919597post your waifu
>>563917374Synthia
>>563919597Overlays are unreliable in general. They tend to go to shit under different lighting sources or if you're underwater or something. You're better off editing and using a custom texture.
>>563919853So baking it into the .dds and loading it as a preset?
>>563919932https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/126721Try this
>see chest>go to open>mimic>it knocks me out>proceeds to kill a frost giant and regular giantFuckin' hell, I forgot I installed that mimics anywhere mod.
>>563920369Snake will think twice next time, or he'll end up like this
are there any new lands mods that are good for dungeons and killing stuff? most stories suck i just wanna kill
>find out halfing races exist>none of my ostim animations align upI think I remember the funny guy having shota animations but I didn't install them cause I didn't think I'd ever need them but here I am.
>>563920369>it knocks me outdate rape drugs are one hell of a thing
I'm putting together a survival/Permadeath modlist. I've never done one before.I've got some basic shit like Skyrim Souls and End TimesAny suggestions? Are Frostfall, Sunhelm, or Last Seed any good?
https://youtu.be/5ZtEdlxa6f4?si=Af94QK0yUhNnnhat
>>563920790that PPA mod really helps
>>563921173>I'm putting together a survival/Permadeath modli->falls through floor and fucking diesDon't waste your time.
>>563921773I'm not a moron.I wouldn't count genuinely bugged deaths.
>>563921804What if there were soft bugs like an enemy NPC spawning in with a high DPS modded weapon at level 1?
>>563922003Then I'd defeat him.
>>563913101hircine rejected him because he's brown
>>563922020What if they had insane amounts of HP and damage resistance, more for your level 1 douchebag character to handle?
>>563921173Sunhelm is my favorite needs mod, don't really use the survival aspect of it but you can adjust about anything in it to your liking.
>>563922003Weak Aura>>563922020Strong Aura
>>563922115i want to see her getting fucked
>>563922115i want to see him getting fucked
>>563922181>>563922294Okay
I'm watching brownime /tesg/. what are you up to?
>>563922507colonizing yokuda in the elder kangs mod for the the paradox interactive game crusader kings 3
>>563922115>sunhelm>I don't like the survival aspectisn't that the main functionality of the mod?
>>563922620I guess? I always just use it for the needs so I have a reason to use food and drinks and sleep more often.
>>563922294Snake is BOC only
>>563922809@grok is this true
>>563922914behead her
>>563922790that is survival though
>>563923195Ah, sorry. When someone says "Survival" I think weather. When it comes to food/drink/sleep I think needs. I guess now when I think about it needs = survival. I've always separated the two.
With Skyblivion on the horizon, I can confidently say that Oblivion can never be faithfully remastered, there are just so many elements of it being a product of its time. One thing I find that's interesting about the original is that every element in the game is material — the UI is entirely skeuomorphic. On top of being diegetic in nature (of course you're seeing what your character sees in the journal), it gives it a distinctly human element that is missing from later Bethesda titles.I find it amusing that the remaster is also browner than the original, when the original was made in the same era where brown and bloom games were all the rage. Granted it was the early Xbox era where the trends had not fully cemented, but Resident Evil 4 came out over a year earlier and Twilight Princess the same year. Skyrim's effects (like eye adaptation) tend to mute colors quite a bit, and volumetric lighting in the Creation Engine makes distant landscapes look foggy rather than hazy.
>>563922507replaying boomer games
>>563922562are those games easy to get into?
Elves need a glow up. Anyone else agree?
Did Oblivion Remastered add a Mexico filter to the game so it looked more homely for the Skyrim fags?
When will OpenMW get controller support? Why are the devs so insistent on not borrowing code from the Xbox version?
>>563923884If you're completely new to the game and wanted to have an idea of all the mechanics and features of CK2 you needed like a 10 hour tutorial. CK3 may be a bit easier to get into thou because from what I've heard, they made it easy as hell.>>563923872Based.
>>563922507Just woke up. Sitting in bed, will read something soon for about an hour, hour and a half. Have some food than go for a hike.
Corruption is rife in Solitude. In other news, I'm level 16 after 127 hours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRLYiMFji2A
>>563923872that's kinda based browngender. but I heard the 3ds version is better emulated with mods
>>563922507editing my house mod.
>>563924661i enjoy the adventures of laudiklaus mondaybut i wish he had more than one expression
How come you guys only post ugly tranny characters with plastic tits slapped on? Where's all the loli and shota characters?
>>563926302
Yeah, and I'm sure you have nothing to do with that.
>>563923884Not really, but then at some point you realize you're really just playing Risk and have to come up with stupid ways to fuck around. For CK, you should probably just play it and learn by losing. At most check out a brief overview of how it works, but you'll probably have more fun by not really knowing how to play.
>Stendarr laughes every time a dirty Khajiit overdoses on skooma.-Uriel Septim VII
>>563922507what the hell is brownime
>>563926686dbz
>>563922507replaying halo for the first time since I was a kid because the MCC was on sale. 3 is way worse than I remembered, 1 and 2 mog it hard.
>>563926939CE is the best gameplay, 2 has best story, 3 is hype moments and aura + bad writing
>>563927215yeah I remembered the bad writing, the thing that surprised me was the gameplay, seems considerably worse than the other games. halo 2 was a snipefest but you can still quickly rack up kills at least, every weapon in 3 feels terrible. most enjoyable by far was the first half of CE, much better than I remembered it probably because I couldn't appreciate it as a kid. you can tell it had the most planning and playtesting.
>>563922507delewding my LO after a shameful fap
>>563926686anime
I saw a mudcrab the other day, actually a really nice guyI don't get all the hate
>>563927468Why would you do that? You're just going to keep switching back between lewd and non-lewd load orders. Instead, you should strive to use them until they become a natural part of Skyrim. In fact, I'd find it weird if every NPC didn't have their oral, anal and vaginal inflation tracked at all times.
>>563926470In vanilla she is less suspicious. But should be it like that in the first place?
>>563927871I guess delewding isn't the right term, I mostly meant copying the profile, ripping out pretty much everything involving sexlab except like nightlife, skooma whore, and spouses enhanced as well as gutting all of the followers and possibly the NPC makeover mods since I keep getting random (but consistent) CTD's involving generic npc makeovers and Sanguine Symphony.
>>563927439CE simply had the best sandbox of weapons. Everything felt like it was made with a purpose to handle multiple situations in unique ways. 2 and 3 shit on that design philosophy by breaking every gun and forcing you to only use the BR.
>>563928206yeah that's kind of what I was saying, CE is enjoyable because you aren't pigeonholed into headshotting constantly. the automatic weapons and shotgun are actually good and worth using. they went all in on headshots in 2, it works because you can efficiently headshot enemies whether it's elites with the plasma pistol combo or brutes by just headshotting them but I would prefer if weapons other than BR and snipers were useful.3 breaks both of these designs, the automatic weapons are peashooters that aren't even worth picking up but they also nerfed the headshot game by nerfing the charged plasma shot and giving brutes shields. plus it seems to me they nerfed the accuracy and range of the BR and carbine. feels like I have to unload a billion rounds into a brute's head just to kill one, and I'm only playing heroic. the new grenades also suck, spamming grenades is one of the best parts of halo and they effectively removed it in 3.
>>563928627I agree entirely.
>>563911312vanillydia is cute>>563922507rumpostin'
Left: made with furries in mindRight: made with activists in mind
>>563929040Skaven Rat Ogre vs Hircine's Strongest Soldier
Is it viable to play as a succubus in skyrim? I'm aware of a lot of the mods, right now I'm testing Soul of a Succubus and it's pretty basic if not the most stable of the lot, it gives you have a second health bar that regenerates through sex acts with a quicktime press to kill afterward, and they give you a spell to attract NPCs and that's about the extent of it. I'm not aware of any mod that lets you disguise yourself as human in cities to still do quests. NPCs don't even react to you looking like a demon it's pretty lame so idk how people play these characters if they even are.
How are you prepping your waifu for The Elder Scrolls 6: Redguard? I'm making mine do lots of squats
>>563924271what's a mexico filter?
>>563925630Why don't you publish it on nexus?
>>563929829what do they eat
>>563929829My waifu is going to have a happy marriage and depending on how far into the future TESVI takes place it'll be their kid that goes to hammerfell and becomes kang n shiet Gotta keep those autistic traditions of linking everybody together alive somehow
>>563930187Greasy foods so she takes lots of stinky shits
>>563929906https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_7aieGEMQ
gosh I love one piece swimsuits
>>563917374The futafu CS poster with broken lighting and broken LODs
/v/ is making fun of us again
>Akatosh bless my white Empire-Uriel Septim VII
>>563931363Blame Puggers
>>563930361Nice. I also have an autistic lineage in mind where this character is the main hero of Daggerfall. Intend to make his wife a secret Mehrunes Dagon cultist as a character too at some point as well as the mother of his grandson who's the daughter of a Dren ambassador to Wayrest in Daggerfall. The aforementioned dunmer girl, and his two sons, one a deadbeat thief that ran away from home and the other a Mehrunes Dragon cultist will do side content and TR stuff in Morrowind. The cultist kills the emperor in Oblivion and does some side content there too. Than 7 generations down the line it's his descendant becomes the Dragonborn. If I ever play ESO the protagonist will be a distant ancestor of his wife. Based on when TES6 is set if I play that game I will somehow try to link them too.I also have another character in mind, an Altmer battlmage that does side content in Daggerfal, Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim.
Obody randomly assigning her the most architectural preset I have will forever be funny
/tesgers/ waifus through the years be like
>>563931229>>563928993>>563911113I kind of want to jerk off now
>>563921173Last Seed + Frostfall (Campfire) is still BiS for actually caring about needs, just turn off all the fucking meter clutter
>>563931363what are they saying?
>>563932578There's like 4 people here bro, take a nap.
>>563926642Spiteful mutant behavior.
>>563910729Please refrain from posting images of fatcat getting groped
Do your waifus watch scary movies?
any chill neets in the general?
>>563934098My cromagnon wife likes this dark triad movie and Idk why...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWqwQRuVuzM
>>563926686jjk
>>563928206CE also has the best BtB mapsI also think it has the best balanced vehicles. They're too strong in 2 and in 3 the spartan laser is not fun to play against if you're in anything less maneuverable than a banshee.I'll be fair to 3, it's BTB is better than 2's, and Avalanche is my favorite map overall
>>563929829>unofficial hammerfell patch>by shartmoor>will add oblivion gates all over hammerfell>will add thalmor patrols all over hammerfell>will change one mine into something else>will add an entire new area for the thieves' guild>will add forsworn to hammerfell's northeast borders
>>563936608>redguard is now spelled with a capital R at all times
>>563936608Honestly, considering how gradually more unoriginal Bethesda got I wouldn't be surprised if the main plot is to stop yet another Daedric lord trying to merge his relm with Tamriel. My bet, this time it's Boethia.
>>563929040Looks cool. Too bad it's ESO. I wish Skyrim werewerwolves weren't so fucking badSometimes I think about installing ESO and creating a female Nord werewolf but then I remember that I’m too poor for that game
Imperials in PT aren't white and that makes it better than all of Bethesda games.
>>563934427>cromagnonAnon, cromagnon are modern humans, don't you mean neanderthal?
>>563936946It's funny how ESO has you dab on Molag Bal for no reason at all but not in Skyrim where you can avenge your designated DLC waifu and have her face her trauma and nightmares one last time.Are there any towers or Dwemer ruins in Hammerfell? Elder Scrolls love tower aedra magic and dwemers hiding cool stuff. There's one in Iliac Bay in High Rock that shat on Vaermina in the Great War.
>>563937293>Are there any towers or Dwemer ruins in Hammerfell?Are you seriously asking if there's dwemer ruins in Hammerfell?
>Are you seriously asking if there's dwemer ruins in Hammerfell?
How well my clothes fit is based entirely on my camera distance? If I zoom out a little bit suddenly all my tattoos are poking through the leggings, etc? How do I increase/fix this?
>>563938948>2002/2003>friend shows me Morrowind>blown away by how realistic the water looked>made an argonian cause they looked like dinosaur peopleTake me back
What are some Skyrim issues you think will be fixed in TES6...?
>>563937293Dumb lorelet
>>563941189Body types replacing EVIL and PATRIARCHAL female and male. Also nonbinaries.
>>563905358Light armor? His entire quest is about finding a way to buy iron armor for him lol.
>>563937293read, ragada, read
>tfw still no good looking medium long slick back hair styles for men
Oh wow, I was right, kinggath did just make a copy of the bards college cell and used it for his mod. The cell name even says "hijacked". Fuckin' why? And for some reason the few NPCs who go into the College now won't talk to me and if I try to wait inside it says I'm being asked to leave. I did the main quest so I can attempt to play this piece of shit mod again.
>>563942850yeahit's a learning process apparently>>563942997you mean the vanilla one that ulfric has. with or without the side braid options?or the vanilla elf dracula one?
>>563943104I mean hairstyle mods in general please don't even start with KS hairdos
>mod my wards to be 4 times stronger>still gets destroyed immediately leaving me stunned and out of magicka and less efficient than just killing enemy faster wards are so fucking useless holy shit I just want to make use of the full game mechanics
>>563942997>>563943382>hair styles for menhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/25574orhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/63979Maybe one of those two have what you're looking for?
Should I make my thief in morrowind khajiit or bosmer?
https://mega.nz/file/QmV3jQ5I#cQOJoUUYrK3fHboaVUHRW2pO9V46CPKEPIQ13zy8Mnshere's the boar esp with the leveled lists, they should show up more often in falkreath and the reach and also anywhere else randomly like rabbits and foxes, check for conflicts because these lists can easily get overriddenI also made some other changes regarding aggression and factions, I did not place more manually because the CK crashed randomly and killed my enthusiasm
Does Tundra Homestead come with AE or do I have to find it somewhere?
>he bought?
>>563944348Based boar adderCan I add this mod to my list without it messing any other mods up other than possibly placing a boar inside something they also touch?
>>563925234Show the back.
>>563944348Cheers anon>CK crashed randomlyI need to make a few patches for mods in my game and I dread having to open the CK again.>>563944410According to UESP, no. But you can just grab any CC/AE mod from the OP.
>>563943538Not relevant but why does every NPC from the second link have such massive noses and mouths?
ESOchads stay winning, dude.
>>563944849you have anime brainrot
You will never be a real comedian. Just a faggot who can't even get a (you).
i wasn't joking
You don't take followers along because having them die in a corner and clip through the world or just get lost forever because of script errors is such a risk to your loot that you'd rather just pick and choose the valuable stuff and not get pushed off of ledges, into traps, and boxed into every small room in the dungeon.I don't take followers along because if that random peasant dies I will cry and throw up and alt+f4 and delete the game and not play again for two years and feel sick when I play again and apologize to him.We are not the same.
>>563945441Give me a (You), please.
>>563946469No.
>>563946192Very cringe wall of text which means you'll fit right into tesg
>>563946505:(
XDDD
>>563946759So freaking epic and wholesome
>>563929040Azura is like>Here are the examples of 2nd era werebeasts through the years>Unfortunately i can't use the lasso on them because i don't want to hear truths about lycanthropy
>>563929040I used to think werewolves were cool. Then I realised they're just human dogs, and the idea just feels silly since then.
>>563946759I like that and think it's clever and that you guys are being gay and cringe for hating it
>game is crashing again not making a logI hate this. I really fucking hate this so much. Everything always goes to complete shit the moment enginefixes comes into the picture. "fixes" my ass.
I'm going to sacrifice Lydia in a hot spring if I don't find this pygmy sunfish soon
>>563947528Grrr…
>>563946192Make them essential? But I do hate it when my followers enter bleedout and I have to just leave them there as I clear out the enemy or run away. Breaks immersion when they just spawns next to me afterwards like nothing happened.
>>563944610sure, here you go
Kind of too bad Bethesda removed nearly all slaughterfish from the game before that aggression/landswimming fix mod came out for them.
>>563937293There are dwemer that migrated west so there will be>>563939837That story sounds way too familiar
>>563947872Very rapeable.
>>563948360isnt it called hammerfell because thats where the dwemer threw Volendrung and promised to settle where it fell?
>>563947528I only ever liked Maxwell taking over the trending page, everything else has been cringe.
>>563948790your screenshot is the definition of cringe
>>563947528I don't have a screencap of it but my favorite was when some female anal texture mod made it to the front page and the mod next to it on the page changed its image to Shrek staring at the butthole next to him
>>563949038"Cringe" just means embarrassing.
>>563948790
That lizard you’re friends with. Snicker Jacks, or Parker Packs, or what the fuck ever that wyvern is called. Does that motherfucker ever come off that mountain? Because I’d love to have you fly him over Riften and specifically target Maven’s house. I guess there would be some collateral damage, but I can live with that if you can. Maybe he can snatch Maven off the ground and crush that bitch with his claws. Can I go with you? I’d love to hear that bitch’s ribcage crack. That shit would be so funny. Ah, well, I know it’s just a dream. Anyway, here is a hammer. I want you to beat a Kot to death who stole moon sugar from my caravan, and it’s a fine day with you around.
>>563947872Nice.
>>563944413Carlotta Balenciaga
>>563949038wrong
days without seething textposts:
What is your waifu’s tax policy?
>>563950305My waifu does not support theft.Skyrim's roads are already fucked anyways.
>>563950305taxation without representation is bad and the empire should feel bad
>>563950305Tax benefits for the well endowed.
>>563950305She demands a steady supply of semen
>>563950305There's no tax cause Slaves are slaves
>>563951347>slavesI prefer snow elf. The name slaves usually holds a negative meaning to most travelers. Those twisted creatures you call slaves, I call the Betrayed.
>>563951347She's hot. I would rape her.
>>563951936Her dicks bigger than yours, be careful.
>>563952027I'll take my chances.
>>563952027so thats why she's called erektiongali see now
Would Windhelm be better off if the Dunmer were genocided? All they do is complain, and despise the Nords, despite living on their land. Kinda reminds me of real-life parallels.
>>563951767Slaves aren't Exclusives to snow elves, don't start to think you are something "special"
>>563950305She hates rich people and if she became Dunmer queen of Skyrim would: Nationalize the industry and banks. Seize the land owned by nobles and aristocrats and collectivize the farms. Use the confiscated wealth to fund the new mer's republic of skyrim also genocide nords
>>563953818No, I will not suck on her toes.
>>563920526I would like this too. Something very dungeon crawler akin to I guess Dragon's Dogma's bitterblack isle in concept.
>>563920526>>563954506vominheim? though good is subjective in this case, all of hammet's stuff is vanilla+, and i think there's a story in there anyways. maybe chanterelle, its latest version has dungeon locations everywhere but the focus is survival and outdoors above all else. miyap's for that bitterblack isle thing as well. mileage really varies though, but story is not the primary priority
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/177263?tab=descriptionit's here!
>>563953962They're dark elves, not black elves.
>>563955109wth does black elves have to do with communism
>>563924873Are you playing a shota dragonborn?
patty from 2008
>>563954402Indeed you will not looks at her
If I'm using obody and I have zeroed sliders can I build Himbo and 3BA stuff at the same time since all the sliders are set to 0 anyway or will it give my men tits?It's probaby a retarded question but it's the first time I try using obody.
>>563950305Tax everyone who isn't herAll Tax benefits paid out to her>captcha was a six point star
>>563909798more of this character
>>563954886Thanks anon I'll check these out.
>>563950305yeah
>>563957138no, they make two different meshes for each sex, do them once each with the correctly selected body and zero preset
>>563955887I don't like it.
>>563955887patty has slim butt and thighs
I have attempted modding some combat-related animation/frames and now I can no longer move while in 1st-Person, I can only look up and down.It's not been much of a problem outside of Dragon fights where they turn invisible due to proximity issues.Is there any proper fix for this or is it just one of those random bullshit things?
>>563950305Loyalty or any reserves of Dwemer oil that lands like Morrowind or Black Marsh promised to High Rock 3,000 years ago.
>>563955887wrong, fat women were mercilessly mocked before the year 2010
>>563959529no, like, that image is literally from 2008
shame what happened to camelworks
>>563959105Have you checked your weight limit. Maybe you're over burdened lol.
>>563961618Did he get shot or how the hell did he die?
I never player OblivionCan someone give me a review of the extended cut for saints and seducers mod? seemed like a good "solution" for the base version of S&S's problems
Is there a moveset that will work with https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/80089 ? Looking for something more feral like what I've seen with khajiits but those are race specific and idk if I can modify those for my needs.
>>563958224Thanks, you have saved Skyrim from a mantits epidemic.
Huh? I thought someone said DD was updated?
>>563961735heart attack. i only found out today
>>563962126I really like it, it's far better than the creation club mod. It's definitely worth checking out. I do wish it had more dungeons and more ways to get amber and madness ore. I thought about making a couple new dungeons myself but I'm so burnt out on making new locations in the creation kit.
>>563962669wasn't the shivering isles expac for oblivion all about helping the greymarch come through? why's ol' sheo still insane in the membrane?
>>563963071Sheogorath becomes Jyggalag and you become Sheogorath
Kenshi 2 finna release before them eldar scrolls.
I'm too smart for this fucking retarded, dipshit general.
>>563963423can someone translate this to English?
I never cared for the Dragonborn dlc bonemold armor but it's growing on me. I do wish they had more variants like they did in Morrowind though.
>>563962126Of course.It's all in this note.
>>563963147that's some bullshit
>>563964216>I never cared for the Dragonborn dlc bonemold armor>but it's growing on meIntentional pun?
>>563964216I held a similar view regarding the chitin armor; fortunately, additional variations were later added through CC content.
Do Argonians come from eggs, like chickens?
Nord women are ice queens.
>>563964825Nord women look like apes.
>>563913643at the time you posted that? sound asleepthe rest of the day? at work>>563913987I post about Elder scrolls here because Redditors are obnoxious when it comes to games.
>>563965093nta but why reddit? I can barely tolerate this website.
>>563965093Aren't Redditors epic gamers, though? How are they more obnoxious?
>>563965252I use Reddit for posting art, asking advice about bearded dragon care, or the occasional question about a niche hobby.If forum culture hadn't died I wouldn't have to use Reddit for it.>>563965264here people will call me a slur but treat me like an equal. On Reddit I'll be talked down to and treated as though I were a child.I would rather be openly insulted than treated as lesser.
>>563964679iirc they are live birth or egg-laying depending on environmental factorsthose environmental factors being whatever their spouse is more turned on by
>>563965405That's fair I suppose
>>563964523It wasn't intentional>>563964607you mean the Netch leather armor? Those are really good too. I wish they'd make more lorefriendly armor. It's really hard to find lorefriendly armor that's of decent quality
Thoughts on Teldryn Serious? It seems old and buggy from what I can see.
>>563965405Redditors do tend to be disingenuous and think the ability to weasel out of things using semantics makes them smart.
>>563888574looked at last thread, lemme answerI didn't clean any on friday but I did clean some today. Unpacked a pretty cool sauropod caudal chevronAnyway here's art>>563965901yes, exactly.
>>563964891My nigga, you're french.
>>563965745>you mean the Netch leather armor?Yes, that’s the one. I share your preference for lore friendly armor; at this point, I’m open to even reimagined armor from ESO being adapted for Skyrim.
>>563965252>This is democracy manifest...GET YOUR HANDS OFF MY PENIS!
>End Timeshttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/39201>Cult of the World Eaterhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/83274>End Times (Dawnguard)https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/61087>Exhaustionhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/94574>Woundshttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/17581>Last Seedhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/56393>Frostfallhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/671>Campfirehttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/667This is my current modlist for my next survival playthrough. Anything I'm missing?
>>563966375The guy's making Lordbound remade the ancient orc armor from ESO. Never thought I'd see that one remade for Skyrim. ESO had a lot of good armor designs, I'd love to see some of the vanilla race armor sets made in Skyrim, specifically Imperials and Dunmer.
>>563966520Is campfire safe to install mid-play through. Looks fun.
>>563964679yerp
>>563966520>365 days to beat alduinSo what are you actually setting it to? That's meaninglessly far out.
>>563966397kek>>563966598Looks neat, I wouldn't mind it for my orc. Is it already finished?
The Horde follower system is pretty good. Fug. I think I'm done with NFF.
I DON'T WANT HAMMERFELL I DON'T WANT REDGUARDS AND DESERTS I WANT HIGH ROCK I WANT CASTLES AND WIZARDS AND KNIGHTS AND KINGS I DON'T WANT NEGROES AND BILLION DWEMER RUINS
Should Doodlum just give up? There's no way people are going to use CS-ENB over Jiaye's.
how do i download a wabbajack modlist without giving the unhinged terrorists at nexusmods any money?
>>563968314I AM YA'SUKEI AM HOONDING
>>563967219I haven't decided. A lot of days will inevitably pass by sleeping and waiting.But I guess that adds an appeal to becoming a Werewolf or Vamp.
>>563966520Shattered and add on for an alternative to end time
YouYes youTell me how to make my game look betterSpecial Edition still looks mediocre at times
>>563968314Don't worry. We'll get High Rock, with a population consisting of 60% Redguards. Also, the nobility will be Redguards.
>>563969174I want to rape them all and collect their shit on my cock, if you catch my drift.
>>563969216Me? AlrightWell, find something you think looks like shit (I'm assuming you're talking about graphics), then look at your NGVO install to figure out which mod(s) it uses for that object/texture and install those. If something still looks like shit in NGVO there's probably not much you can do about it
>>563969304Bretons deserve worse.
>>563968314I want a hot climate for bikini armor but I DO NOT WANT ANY FUCKING DWEMER RUINS
>>563969216You don't need much. You just need a good weather mod, lighting, textures and an enb
>>563969174>ShatteredI'm reading this and trying to understand.It's just a mod where the world has been destroyed?
>>563969580I don't want to be resident Dr. Asshole all up in this fucking bitch, but the Body Type 1s in TES VI will be ugly and covered up. We Chuds are wrong and fucking stupid, so we deserve this,
>>563966598looks like dogshit esoslop armor
>>563970096HOW FUCKING DARE YOU MOCK ESO, YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT!!!
>>563968386Is that UBE?
>>563968386no? Allowing users to use their existing enb presets is a good thing
>>563957197Aight>>563968314>I DON'T WANT HAMMERFELLWe're getting Elsweyr, with playable Alfiq
>>563968386I want to gently rape that fat whore in the sand.
>>563970005They're ugly in Skyrim too, but look where we are now. It just feels retarded to me to have any non-nord at least be scantily clad.
>>563970279I hold a grudge against ESO, blades, shelter, 76 and Starfield.
Reminder that there is quite literally zero evidence that the next game will take place in hammerfell or any particular province. The notion that 6 will definitely be hammerfell is quite literally based on baseless speculation and fanwank.
>>563970005They have always been ugly in Bethesda games. That won't change with 6, but we will be modding them into 10/10s pretty quickly I hope.
>>563970748Based
>>563970903>but we will be modding them into 10/10s pretty quickly I hope.well you still aren't modding 10/10s into skyrim 15 years later, so I hope your understanding of "quickly" is very flexible.
I have and will never endorse any mods
>>563971072>2/10 armpits too stretchy
>>563971072ok dr. asshole
>>563968314You do realise that Hammerfell consists of diverse biomes? I remember distinctly, before Skyrim was released, that this general was complaining about how they didn't want to, "snowroach it up, in tons of snow," then Skyrim released and had diverse biomes and people shit their fucking pants.
>>563970882By process of elimination.Modern Bethesda won't do an Elven homeland as the province, because that'd be too much work.They definitely won't do a Beast race homeland, since that would be way too much work.So we only have Hammerfell left, since all the other provinces have been done.
>>563971268>Modern Bethesda won't do an Elven homeland as the province, because that'd be too much work.total asspull on your part>They definitely won't do a Beast race homeland, since that would be way too much work.another asspull>So we only have Hammerfell left, since all the other provinces have been done.yeah really convincing elimination there chief.they aren't going to stick to the single province format anyway, I would bet money they go for doing most or all of the entire continent.
>>563970602
>>563971256This general didn't exist before Skyrim. We had irregular Morrowind and Oblivion generals on /v/. And I stand by that. Fuck Skyrim and fuck snow. Most boring province in the setting . Fite me.
>>563971549generals didn't exist at all before skyrim, this board wasn't even created until 2011. the only generals that existed pre /vg/ were for fucking pokemon, mass effect waifuwars and katawa shoujo.
>>563970310It's 3BA (Jenassa DF Edition). But you can only get the left picture with Jiaye's CS.
>>563971934But right looks better?
>>563968386Are the two not working on it together?
>>563971418I wish I could still believe in Bethesda like you.
>>563970636>>563970903It's about intent, my fellow fucking Chud faggot fucks. They're ugly in Skyrim because of the phenomenon called, "Bethesda Incompetence." Ugly, fat, mystery meat fucking bitches are done on purpose these days because of the intent of fighting Social Injustices, which are perpetrated by fucking evil white fucks. I fucking pray that I have opened your fucking eyes, fellow chuds.Anonymous Out
>>563972173who is believing? I think doing the whole continent would be one of the worst decisions they could possibly make. I just think they will do it because they have been doing that with every other game they have released since skyrim, bigger and bigger maps that are emptier, more copy/pasted, more procgenned and less to do in them. TES 6 will be elder scrolls: starfield edition. Endless wide open featureless areas with nothing interesting in them for miles.
How would I get this level of character quality in Skyrim?
>>563971683>and katawa shoujoHow the fuck is that still around to this day
>>563971996Right just had an actual artist tune the sky. But it should be obvious that left has a technical advantage with the skin and armor.
>>563972625CS + PBR
>>563972383I'd wager that it's incompetence more often than not.
>>563972383So what? You think I'm not going to change it because I wouldn't chud the designer's intent?
>watching video of someone playing Tamriel Rebuilt>it looks incredibly comfy>Meanwhile Beyond Skyrim has done Jack shitI'm so mad now
>>563973880damn that's crazy
I accidentally used disable on a follower how do I bring'em back?
Morrowind modding is 500 years behind Skyrim modding until it gets a Skyrimnet equivalent as far as I'm concerned.
>>563974018prid "refID"enable
Instead of being satisfied with fully completing the dragonborn museum I got filled with a desire to go back and pick up the hall of the forgotten add-on.Obviously I can't tack 50+ more mods on a 450h+ save and expect it to work so I will do a new profile just for this, make an identical character and treat it like it is all happening in the same world.Thankfully I don't even need to enter the main museum to access the mod's hall, which makes me wonder why LOTD is even a requirement in the first place, the magic door could be anywhere in Solitude with way less bloat in the world.
>>563974098>SkyrimnetIs this actually good and does what it says or does it hallucinate slop after a while?
>>563974516https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzG5QWcKTSc
>>563974098how to spot a jeet
SKYRIM is the worst TES game. It dumbed down the RPG mechanics.
>>563974018Install the mod More Informative Console. Load an old save with the follower. Click on them and get their refID (not their baseID). Now reload your current save and open console.prid refIDenable
>>563974883you don't even need to use prid for that, they should still be selected when he loads the latest save
>>563975257>>563974883>>563974263Thanks.
What moveset has the throwing daggers move?https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/100174This mod has them but I don't want to deal with all that shit, just the power attack for throwing daggers would be nice.
>>56397125695% of old, mid and new /tesg/ came from Skyrim.Only 5% played Morrowind and Oblivion.The modern Bethesda fanbase were holdovers from Fallout 3 and Troon Vegas, seeping into Skyrim.
this general's dick gets hard at gay porn
>>563971549I don't want to fite you because I drank too much milk and might be sick.
>>563975975Stop looking at my penis.
>>563974293You could probably just load up xedit/CK and patch out the LOTD dependency. I for one think the idea is great but that mod is a compatibility nightmare
thicc is a loophole
>>563972625My game looks like that.
>>563976685Show the back.
>>563976685your waifu is shit btw what mod is that
>>563976685I'm not a fan of fat bitches. Please don't post in them this general! God bless!
>>563975576iirc this was for mco https://files.catbox.moe/zu9i0c.7z
yeah! get'em, waifu!
Yeah, I play Skyrim. Yeah, I do like cum up my ass.
>>563977289>your waifu is shit>please give source for waifuwhat did he mean by this?
>>563977824that means his waifu is shit
the red is a lot bolder than i thought it would be so i am going to have to change back to my old bootsalso rump
>>563969608yeah. then you spend 500+ more hours resisting the temptation to fill it back up with new town mods that would kill the survival aspect while looking for the most grimdark mods you can find that are divorced from vanilla worldspaces and npcs
>>563977824because the guy is who is posting that waifu just downloaded her from nexus
>>563975975true
Skyrimfags have the lowest IQ of all TES fandoms. And I'm tired of pretending it's not.
>>563975975Why're you meat watching, faggot?
>>563976685she looks indian
are you done with bait posting or should we come back later
>>563978994You know the guy doesn't have a life and he clearly perfer trannies and men. Come back later.
>>563978994I'm not done yet.
>>563978026Don't worry, it sounds retarded and somewhat antithetical to what I want out of my survival campaign.I want to be forced to>get strong enough to deal with Alduin>deal with Alduin in the time limit (End Times)>probably have to deal with most or all of the priests before then (Cult of the World Eater)>while having to do Dawnguard stuff (End Times: Dawnguard)all while dealing with the hassle from various survival mods that slow me down or flat-out debilitate me
>>563978994I just finished my weekend projects so I've only just started
>>563979438this is the only redguard I ever see here
Instead of making the graphics look better, are there any mods that make them look worse? I kinda want Skyrim to look like a N64/PS1 game.
>>563980719cathedral asset optimizer
>>563953962>tries to seize land from the people that provide 90% of her military power>raped to death week 1it's kino and bimbopilled
>>563980719https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/29185https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJhF0L7pfo8
Is it worth switching to the GOG version? I don't have many mods for Skyrim yet, and as a loyal paypig I have both versions on GOG and Steam. How's the mod support on GOGrim?
slept for 12 hours. usually never happens. i suppose it's in character.
>>563979697Why are your followers always standing around looking at you like you're crazy. Are you not using Nether's follower framework with its sandboxing enabled?
>>563980719https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/81221?tab=images
>>563982830I used Nethers with sandboxing disabledI find that with sandboxing enabled they constantly fuck off and get lostwhich usually happens anyway because their pathing sucks and their speed is so low
>>563976943
>>563983115>and get lostChange the radius of how far they can be away from you before teleporting. It's a setting in NFF.
>>563974604The memory system for NPCs is shockingly good. Especially if you spend time occasionally generating their bio/diary. The only reoccuring issue I have with hallucination is them rambling about stupid shit in dungeons but you can ignore it or alt+tab and delete the conversation if you don't want it in their memory.
Thoughts on friends?
>>563983651Do they start talking shit at you unprompted? I'd use it only to talk to certain folks like Ulfric/Tullius and my own custom followers but i don't want to hear about someone complaining about the price of horse feed every time i head to town or some other shit like that
>>563984017You can configure it so they basically only speak when spoken to.
>>563944525it should be fine but remember this is only an esp replacer, you still need the full mod from snake's list or from the previous thread
Should TES have a mascot like Fallout? I think it would be kinda cool if we had a cute Altmer loli doing various things in our perks menu, like wielding a one-handed weapon, talking her way out of an altercation with an adult, or holding multiple staffs.
>>563982458it's worse, you should stick with steam
>>563979438How do you keep making insanely good waifus?
Best mod for canon race sizes?>>563984278I think we should have Paarthurnax-chan making Mario noises as our mascot.
>>563984278We already have a mascot.
>>563984481
>>563984278Todd is our mascot
>>563984689Finally, a Lore-friendly mod.
Liz just mined this witch's nose gold
>>563984384I remember reading the Dragonborn's Fate guide and it told me that the GOG version suffered from a memory leak that the Steam version didn't. That's so weird because I'm often finding that the GOG versions of games I have are better than the Steam versions, like the older BGS come pre-patched with 4gb LAA and stuff. Also since I'm on a Steam Deck, there's this awful crash that Bethesda hasn't fixed yet with Fallout 4 AE and Skyrim AE where if you summon the on-screen keyboard you ctd.I'll stick with Steam then I guess.
What race is Chud anyway
>>56398555756% Atmoran
>>563983651>>563984174does it need a fresh save?
>>563974879Skyrim sucks in so many ways but Oblivion was just as dumbed down in so many ways. It's not a Fallout 3 -> Fallout 4 situation where the skills and flavor perks got removed because they wanted to focus entirely on combat. Oblivion's attributes system is kinda redundant and skills like acrobatics would make no sense in a game like Skyrim where there's less elevation. That being said, I think I'm the only person who actually likes the persuasion minigame from Oblivion. It's not a good substitute for actual speech checks but it at least sells the illusion of your rogue scoundrel character having actual charisma and being able to talk their way out of things, Speechcraft is a complete dump stat in Skyrim.
>>563955818Wrong on both counts
>>563985417I don't know if the memory leak was fixed eventually but most SKSE modders don't bother testing for GOG and only some support it, not worth messing with it desu>>563985557Imperial
>>563986338>in so many waysUsed that twice in the same sentence, I should really proofread
>>563985417There's now a fix for that leak by DwemerEngineer. But you can also easily turn the Steam version stand-alone with Steamless, so the GOG version isn't needed.
>>563985952no
>>563979976Wrasslebro, Snake, and that futa guy has a male redguard.>>563984473Thanks but all it took was time and practice and a clear design path?>>563985557According to the follower it seems like he's a imperial. Which fits.
>>563982764Did you wake up surrounded by half eaten sweetrolls and empty wine bottles?
>>563985557Your second favorite race.
>>563984017That's a ball sack you h0m0s. Female anatomy doesn't work like that.
>>563985557yes
>>563987823
>>563983124If this ass had a better shape, it'd be top tier.
>>563983124Light skin Keda?
>>563988776Please do not insult Keda like that.
>>563988651Maybe its one of those asses that looks better when its spread or bent over. Kinda like how bimbo lips shouldn't judged unless they are wrapped around a cock first.
>>563987632Altmer woman?
>>563988941No, no I think I'll judge both by their most common looks, which are NOT spread/bent over and NOT wrapped around a cock
I love dark elves.
>>563984606he didn't show up in skyrimhim showing up in hammerfell would be pure cringe
It's a dragon soijaking
>>563989748they're great
>>563990421>that detailed mouthfucking vorefags
Sex has been updatedhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/98163
Best perk overhaul (combination) if I'm keeping the rest of my list light-medium? Has anyone tried vokord?
Does anyone know how to fix this exact civil war bug? I tried EVERYTHING, including console commands, nothing works. https://www.gamesas.com/message-whiterun-wait-for-orders-from-jarl-ulfric-stu-t267932.html
The best Elder Scrolls game would have the actual lore quality and writing of Morrowind with the RPG mechanics of New Vegas.
>>563991134A lot of people jack off to New Vegas. Protip: it wasn’t that good. Deal with it.
>>563931931I'm glad i'm not the only one that does this. I know i'm an autist but it's nice to have company and I love hearing about other people's characters and family trees too.My dragonborn's father is literally this dude. In the original (and only) playthrough I did with this shitty mod my nerevarine had three kids in game. The youngest is the one that decided to go to Skyrim. I retconned her age over the years though to be significantly younger than her husbando. For ESO I had an arcanist main who was a distant ancestor on the father's side. I also have a necro bomer bosmer on ESO that I linked to a bosmer vampire playthrough on the blivi remaster but I stopped paying for game pass and my PC runs the game like a slide show so it never got very far in.
https://www.nexusmods.com/profile/Rockerbaby186/mods?gameId=1704This guy is adding some good statues to Solitude.
>>563987810https://files.catbox.moe/mvggx1.jpg
>>563990678sexlab bros when's mine turn.....
>>563973880I keep saying it's about time for that annual morrowind playthrough maybe it's time. >>563972625Erin race, tullius 3 and osare's swimsuit will get you more than halfway there
>>563991448New Vegas is objectively better than any ES game and I'm not even trying to rustle your jimmies. Comparing New Vegas mechanically to any ES game is like comparing quantum physics to high school algebra. Even Morrowind doesn't have as much feedback as New Vegas. Everything in New Vegas is meticulously designed to make each playthrough different and interesting. In each ES game you do the same shit all of the time.
>>563992809You'll use 1.66b and you'll like iteither that or go to p+ and spend the next four days trying to fix the "feature" they added where your .95 fully grown dragonborn keeps getting excluded from sex
>>563993450when will they learn?
geeeender
I don't like the Travel's Romper outfit. It forces NFL shoulder pads on you. If I wanted to be jacked I'd play as a dude.
>>563994241it's armor...you're supposed to be armored while wearing itif you want pure slut clothes become a mage and just use flesh spells for protection
>>563994349>you're supposed to be armored while wearing itTrue but not in my fantasy escape world. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but if you're going to cover up the female you might as well play as a male.
>>563994734this is what a women wearing high level heavy armor should look like
>>563993667that woman is too ugly to be acting like that
>>563994734for me is armored but with some parts being visible like a little bit of thigh, maybe some side/underboob.
>>563994734NTA but i'm kind of in the middle and agree with that other guy. I like full suits of armor and slut wear but I'm tired of these half assed middle ground mods where it's clearly just normal clothes but with a pauldron or kneepads. Even the TAWOBA bikini armors come with enough add ons that you could mix and match enough to essentially do both at the same time
if I start going to a black barber it's over for y'all
>>563995292
>>563995289The bikini armors are the best since they let the player decide.
>>563994241Shoulder pads are hot.
Orc bros...we're so back.
>>563994241You can delete the meshes in NIFskope if you don't like the shoulders.
>>563995434ew, cgi AI slop
>>563995434Hey chat, locate me a black barber
>>563996284>AI
>>563994734I like a heavy full covering set of armor, then they take the helmet off and it’s a cute girl.
What did the Saadia-Kematu conflict teach you? For me it's the fact that every redguard's worst enemy is another redguard.
>>563996284Is that you witcher tranny?
>>563988776That fatty has no dick, so it's already 10 times better.
Are there any mods that let you side with the Thalmor?I thought there was one that made some kind of post-Civil War invasion where you could opt to side with the Thalmor, but either it doesn't exist or it's not ported to SE.
>>563993308Thank you for proving my point. This reads like desperate cope. Which it is.
>>563998248https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/75271https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/65628
>>563998248the second great war
>>563998512
>>563998606THAT'S ITThanks man>>563998579Saw these as well, second one looks neat
>>563999154these zoomer babies are too young to get that pic.
>>563986338>That being said, I think I'm the only person who actually likes the persuasion minigame from Oblivion. It's not a good substitute for actual speech checksI prefer when there is no speech skill at all for speech checks. I like it when speech checks are decided by the specific skill and knowledge of your character rather than a catch all speech stat, like in a conversation regarding magic you need destruction skill to pass the check. Speech and persuasion skills in all the games I have played that have them tend to allow you to pass any check with very little effort through it alone, which leads to speech becoming a must take stat when half the dialogue in the game is locked behind it. I guess devs feel that they have to make speech singularly powerful in dialogue because obviously it can't be used anywhere else, but to me that's a good indicator that a generic speech skill shouldn't exist at all. ironically I think skyrim has a good idea for a speech/charisma style bonus with the bribing perk. I think you could also do a universal generic bonus to speech checks like a luck stat, but imo that's also fairly low impact and boring, it's probably best if speech/persuasion is relegated to perk type effects with specific functions like the bribing.
>>564000260dexter browngender?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXEeT731pG8Neat stuff happening in the Morrowind modding community
we simply don't care
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGp2kaqzJtwBig things happening in the Roblox modding community
>>564001017>projectionholy toledo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCsZwKnU6EY
>>564001391lmao
Being a Zaric defender is a humiliation ritual
>>564001017How does your Morrowind mountain lods look better than Futafu's Skyrim lods.
>>564001391>genderwizkek
>>564000380>I like it when speech checks are decided by the specific skill and knowledge of your character rather than a catch all speech statHow do you roleplay a manipulating scoundrel or a suave rogue then? Or even any kind of attractive character who might be able to talk their way around certain outcomes? That just sounds like you want a speech check system that is a byproduct of the combat system, and while that's great for a casual RPG like Assassin's Creed, it's terrible for a game like Elder Scrolls which believe it or not, actually used to be a complex RPG with dice-roll mechanics. >I guess devs feel that they have to make speech singularly powerful in dialogue because obviously it can't be used anywhere else, but to me that's a good indicator that a generic speech skill shouldn't exist at allOr maybe Bethesda should actually write more dialogue to make a speech skill worthwhile. BG3 has speech checks, New Vegas has speech checks, VTMB had speech checks, Fallout 3 had speech checks, and despite how watered down and shitty Fallout 4 was it at least gave more opportunities to haggle than in Skyrim.
>>564001602I think he makes his shit look bad on purpose. There's no way that headache inducing purple filter is there in normal gameplay, it has to be a reshade he adds before doing a screenshot/webm
>>564001810>How do you roleplay a manipulating scoundrel or a suave rogue then?Even a manipulating scoundrel can't talk his way out of literally every situation, which is how speech checks tend to work in RPGs. A dedicated speech stat can't be used to gate a huge portion of dialogue in the game solely to give that speech stat a useful purpose, so if you are going to have a dedicated speech stat it should be a minor or situational benefit.>That just sounds like you want a speech check system that is a byproduct of the combat system, it has nothing to do with combat, it sounds like you are trying to misrepresent my point. The speech checks I'm talking about can be in reference to any skill in the game, it doesn't have to be combat related.>it's terrible for a game like Elder Scrolls which believe it or not, actually used to be a complex RPG with dice-roll mechanics.Having a speech skill doesn't make your game complex and neither do dice roll mechanics.>BG3 has speech checks, New Vegas has speech checks, VTMB had speech checks, Fallout 3 had speech checksYeah and like I said, I find the way that speech checks work in these games to be bad. It leads to worse character building options because you are essentially forced to take speech skills to get the dialogue you bought the game for. It feels contrived because you would not be able to bullshit your way past every conversation like speech skills let you do. It's just not a good idea.
Screenshots of saggers?
>>564002730no
>>564001602Crispy textures?
>>564002730
>>564002372>Even a manipulating scoundrel can't talk his way out of literally every situation, which is how speech checks tend to work in RPGs>literally every situationI hope you're being hyperbolic, if you're not this is a total exaggeration. Yes, not every situation needs to have speech checks but even in those games I mentioned, it's not like every situation utilizes them. Most games add speech checks where appropriate. You might throw your arms up in the air and say that it's unrealistic that you can talk devoted character out of doing many premeditated actions, but it's often justified through the writing in the game. Often in RPGs, you don't even get one singular speech stat but several, like Manipulation, Deception, Intimidation, etc.>it has nothing to do with combat, it sounds like you are trying to misrepresent my point.>The speech checks I'm talking about can be in reference to any skill in the game, it doesn't have to be combat related.There are 18 skills in the game and 12 of them are combat-oriented. According to your idea, the skills that would provide the most utility (inside and outside of combat) are designated combat skills, since there are 12 of them. More combat-oriented skills = more speech checks for those skills. >Having a speech skill doesn't make your game complex and neither do dice roll mechanics.It adds replayability and skill value. That adds another layer of complexity.>It leads to worse character building options because you are essentially forced to take speech skills to get the dialogue you bought the game for.>dialogue you bought the game forYeah, you're not interested in RPGs. Go play Ass Creed or some shit, faggot nigger.
screenshots of bolt-ons?
>>564002730modern /tesg/ hates waifus and waifu posting (notice the lack of waifu posting) so it's time to husnbado post.
There should be a mod that turns every character in chibis
>>564004204*into
>>564002730how about flats instead?
>>564003509>Yes, not every situation needs to have speech checks but even in those games I mentioned, it's not like every situation utilizes them.The less situations that involve speech checks the less valuable a dedicated speech stat becomes in character building, and the only use for a speech stat is in dialogue, which leads to the negative outcome of devs gating huge portions of dialogue in the game behind the speech skill to make the speech skill worthwhile. The story of the game should not be existing in service of some arbitrary character stat, that's asinine.>the skills that would provide the most utility are designated combat skills, since there are 12 of them. More combat-oriented skills = more speech checks for those skills.that's a laughably reductive way to look at it. First of all there's no law saying that only 18 skills must exist and they must be at least 2/3 combat skills, but even in the situation that is the case, you can certainly imagine many more situations where dialogue would lend itself more to an intellectual pursuit like alchemy or magic over a pure physical skill like block or heavy armor. You are definitely going out of your way to misrepresent my point now, apparently because you have a personal fixation on speech skills for some reason.>It adds replayability and skill value.I would say the "replayability" it adds is largely contrived and irritating. Arbitrarily locking large portions of the story behind a character stat is not my idea of engaging replayability.>Yeah, you're not interested in RPGs. I think you aren't interested in RPGs if you think an RPG is defined by blindly embracing traditional mechanics for their own sake instead of critically analyzing their value and function. Speech stats are poorly implemented in almost every game that has used them. A blunt character stat dictating dialogue and story content is simply a bad idea, no amount of tantrums and insults on your part will convince otherwise.
Sometimes I get the feeling people don’t know how to roleplay anymore. Or they can’t be bothered maybe?
>>564004054
>>564003481Give this mod a look.https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/90713
>>564004830People don’t have the capacity to imagine being someone else anymore, it’s why they put so much emphasis on characters who “represent” them they can self-insert as.
>>564004830Uuuuuhhhh the game is supposed to do that for me. You can't expect me to make any decisions other than follow the map marker to epic lootzorz.
>>564005424Neat. I'll give it try, thanks.
>>564001017>Morrowind Skyrim looks better than Skyrim Skyrim
>Neat stuff happening in the Morrowind modding community
>>564006151Toldya, there's a lot of neat stuff coming.
>>564004478>The story of the game should not be existing in service of some arbitrary character stat, that's asinine.With your idea of removing speech and redistributing dialogue checks across all other skills, there is absolutely no reason for me to ever invest in skills that have no combat utility. If you get rid of speech, that only leaves you with a couple of other non-combat skills in TES, all of which mainly provide buffs for combat (like Alchemy or Blacksmithing for example). There are literally no reasons to ever invest in secondary skills.>First of all there's no law saying that only 18 skills must exist and they must be at least 2/3 combat skillsThe more skills you add, the more unfocused the game's balance becomes. Well-designed RPG mechanics are designed around less but more specialized skills, rather than more pointless dump stats. 18 is superfluous as it is. My suggestion? Condense Barter into a perk tree for Speechcraft. That would eliminate a pointless skill by combining it with another non-combat skill. >I would say the "replayability" it adds is largely contrived and irritating. Arbitrarily locking large portions of the story behind a character stat is not my idea of engaging replayability.Then go play something more casual? Roleplaying games are designed around ROLEplaying. >I think you aren't interested in RPGs if you think an RPG is defined by blindly embracing traditional mechanics for their own sake instead of critically analyzing their value and function. Character-building, narrative depth, and specialization is core to the genre, so speech skills are important in providing that. It would be unrealistic if an attractive player character wasn't able to charm other characters, or a scoundrel character wasn't able to sell snake oil to an unsuspecting herbalist. When the only builds that are respected and reflected in gameplay are combat builds, the game becomes less of an RPG and more of an action game.
My favorite part of this is the one spastic retard having a crashout over nothing
>>564001017Would it be faster to recreate Skyrim in Morrowind's engine or remake Morrowind with Skyrim's engine.
>>564005708If the game doesn't allow you imagine yourself as anyone else why would you? I guess Grand Theft Auto V might be the best roleplaying game of all time because I can simply LARP that the old methhead I'm playing as is actually a cute anime grill.
>>564006840Under the hood Morrowind's engine, mechanics, and shit are way less complex, so the former.
>>564006564cope
There should be only four skills. Trickster, Swordsman, Royalguard and Gunslinger.>b-but muh sne-Nope fuck off. I can roleplay just fine with these.
>>564004830lots of people roleplay anon.
>>564006690>there is absolutely no reason for me to ever invest in skills that have no combat utility.There's plenty of reason to do so, for example the non-combat utility they would have had in the first place. Seems kind of obvious to me.>Well-designed RPG mechanics are designed around less but more specialized skills, rather than more pointless dump stats.I agree, which is why they should get rid of the speech skill. It's an unfocused blunt instrument that can only be used to gate dialogue options that could be gated in a more interesting and granular way.>Then go play something more casual?What exactly is hardcore or casual for that matter about reaching an arbitrary number on your stat sheet to unlock dialogue? Personally I think a much more interesting and "hardcore" way to implement dialogue based gameplay would be to include a multiple bits of information relevant to the conversation or questline that are obtained in a variety of ways that influence the outcome instead of just a blunt check of your speech skill.>Character-building, narrative depth, and specialization is core to the genreAnd speech skills are bad character building.>It would be unrealistic if an attractive player character wasn't able to charm other characters, These are highly situational examples that would again fit my original proposal of a perk based bonus much better. You can't have an entire dedicated speech skill that only gives you the ability to seduce a handful of NPCs or sell off some stolen junk for more money, the value of that skill would be far to low to be worth investing in. That's why so many RPGs have gone down the destructive route of arbitrarily chopping up their dialogue and story outcomes specifically to gate them in such a way that a speech skill becomes useful.>When the only builds that are respected and reflected in gameplay are combat buildsWell fortunately, no one has been talking about only combat skills in this thread except your strawman.
>>564007242the showdown at the summit of apocrypha would have been a lot more exciting
>>564007192You okay, dude?
>>564007519oops that was meant for the post you replied to.there's no way morrowind Skyrim can compare to actual Skyrim, that's just boomer nonsense
>>564005424Shit. I don't think I'm smart enough for these. I got them working and everything but I don't know much about batch building these with this or that and stuff. I didn't edit them in BodySlide first cause it confused me. fug
>>564007681It DOES look better. Better view distance, better textures, better colors, better sky.
>>564007779It will work out of the box when there's nothing on the hands, but you'll have to edit anything that goes into the hand slot and add the Redone hands to it. It's nothing complicated, just takes a while if you try to do it for every outfit.
>>564007681Will you give a rest.
>>564002730>>564004054>notice the lack of waifu postingI'm watching this shitheap 'Mania>it's time to husnbado post.I don't think anyone wants to see that
>>564007681you're that vanilla plus anon aren't you?
>>564007478>There's plenty of reason to do so, for example the non-combat utility they would have had in the first place. Seems kind of obvious to me.Bethesda games are 90% combat. They have only gotten more insistent on combat since Morrowind. Speech is the only skill in Skyrim that has no combat utility. By gutting speech you actually remove any point of non-combat specialization to begin with.>they should get rid of the speech skill. It's an unfocused blunt instrument that can only be used to gate dialogue options that could be gated in a more interesting and granular way.They don't even have to get rid of speech to do that. There are so many other RPGs that don't just feature speech checks, but other skill checks (like the ones in Fallout for example). >What exactly is hardcore or casual for that matter about reaching an arbitrary number on your stat sheet to unlock dialogue?Numbers confuse the normalfags who play these games which is why Bethesda games are less insistent on stat progression these days. Normies just want to hit things with swords, they don't care about dialogue.>And speech skills are bad character building.>Everything has to be combat-oriented, otherwise they are... le bad!Dribbling low IQ cretin. >You can't have an entire dedicated speech skill that only gives you the ability to seduce a handful of NPCs or sell off some stolen junk for more money, the value of that skill would be far to low to be worth investing in.Only in an Elder Scrolls thread could this argument be made, because modern Elder Scrolls games are such lackluster "RPGs" that most of your time in the games are spent hunting for loot, killing more nameless goons, or upgrading weapons and armor... to go hunt for more loot and kill more nameless goons. In better RPGs that emphasize character interaction and dialogue, speech would matter more than the combat skills you wouldn't ever have to use, but you do in TES, because every solution to every quest is killing a dude.
>>564008582the girl on the right is overweight but I would still fuck.
>>563995140Yeah, women get away with so much cringe. They invent nothing (even the slang they use was invented by men) and act undeservingly smug.
>>564008582Would smash both but the girl on the right needs a paper bag. Or maybe you fucked up the angle
>>564008582The haggers on the right should be bigger since she's thicker.
>>563999154Deedee is transphobic in one of the episodes.
This thread explains exactly what Emil meant by paper planes. Why write consequential dialogue and design mechanics that overlap with each other, when you could just design a flat, boring, open-world hack and slash game with zero depth (and have mental midgets still play and praise it after 15 years)?
>>564005172Good husbando post>>564008582>I don't think anyone wants to see thatThe shitposters/anti-waifufags do
>>564008753>Bethesda games are 90% combat.I'm not talking strictly about bethesda games which should be obvious, you were the one that brought up BG3 and VTMB. If we are talking about how a hypothetical new game should be designed why would we be constraining the scope to exactly what was in skyrim?>Speech is the only skill in Skyrim that has no combat utility. And you're not even right about this. Lockpicking and pickpocket also have no or negligible combat utility.>There are so many other RPGs that don't just feature speech checks, but other skill checks (like the ones in Fallout for example).right, but like I said the problem is that speech checks override the skill specific checks in almost every example of this because the developers need to make speech worth investing in, which makes those other skill based dialogue checks redundant.>Numbers confuse the normalfags who play these games I think it's more likely that they bore them, and they are right to be bored by stat sheet masturbation. So many of you self described RPG experts seem to be obsessed with stat sheets, as if stat values are the point of the game and not simply a necessary mechanical abstraction to make a game. There is quite simply zero evidence to support the idea that depth of dialogue can only be achieved by checking a blunt stat skill.>Dribbling low IQ cretin.>>564007478>Well fortunately, no one has been talking about only combat skills in this thread except your strawman.>Only in an Elder Scrolls thread could this argument be madeI have been talking about RPGs in general this entire time however. It seems to me that you are beating on this strawman of combat so badly because you can't think of a way to directly confront my argument. Ironic how the supposed champion of complex dialogue completely fails to produce a convincing argument for his preferred speech skill and immediately resorts to name calling and strawmen.
>>564007478>Personally I think a much more interesting and "hardcore" way to implement dialogue based gameplay would be to include a multiple bits of information relevant to the conversation or questline that are obtained in a variety of ways that influence the outcome instead of just a blunt check of your speech skill.Nice false dichotomy. There are many games that have both speech checks and context/conversational checks. This is such a retarded post.
>>564009529heavily implied is my jam so this is an A+ in my book
>>564009667What's false about it? The point is that it's preferable to have those more organic means of interacting with dialogue than a blunt check of your dedicated dialogue skill.
>>564009281Some create art for their own satisfaction. You know, like how a real artist should. That's how good art is made.
are we okay with the Asianfu anon making /v/ threads?
>>564009578>I'm not talking strictly about bethesda games which should be obvious, you were the one that brought up BG3 and VTMBTo show that Bethesda are just lazy, since those games could do what they didn't. >If we are talking about how a hypothetical new game should be designed why would we be constraining the scope to exactly what was in skyrim?Not Skyrim, but TES in general. And mostly because we're in a TES thread.>And you're not even right about this. Lockpicking and pickpocket also have no or negligible combat utility.The purpose of both of those skills is to find better loot, loot which you wouldn't need if it weren't for the heavy insistence on combat. >right, but like I said the problem is that speech checks override the skill specific checks in almost every example of this because the developers need to make speech worth investing in, which makes those other skill based dialogue checks redundant.That's just not true. I can give you many examples in other games where skills (other than speech) can provide unique outcomes. >So many of you self described RPG experts seem to be obsessed with stat sheets, as if stat values are the point of the game and not simply a necessary mechanical abstraction to make a gamecont.
>>564009578>>564010824A major draw to the genre is being able to successfully navigate your way through many integrated, overlapping mechanics. Dumbing down said mechanics to appeal to braindead normalfags who can't comprehend them removes the incentive to play these games.>I have been talking about RPGs in general this entire time however. It seems to me that you are beating on this strawman of combat so badly because you can't think of a way to directly confront my argument. How is it a strawman? Modern TES is designed to railroad you towards combat in most situations, the lack of non-combat skills reflect this. If you remove speech checks entirely, rolling its benefits in with the other perk trees, you get a system that is designed to incentivize you towards primary/combat skills. Skyrim's speech was so laughably redundant that this is exactly what happened, except Bethesda has no intention of making other skill checks to compensate for it.>Ironic how the supposed champion of complex dialogue completely fails to produce a convincing argument for his preferred speech skill and immediately resorts to name calling and strawmen.Retards deserve scorn. Fuck off.
is skyui finally safe to update?
>>564009814>I want CONTEXT checks!>I want SPEECH checks!>Why not both?>NOOOOOOOO, YOU HAVE TO ONLY ONE!!!! EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE ELSE HAS BOTH!!!!
>>564010931was it not safe before?
>>564009769That's NOT what's going on.....>>564010686The marie poster is from there too. And the yaraposter visits reddit. Everyone has there little things outside of /tesg/.
>>564011273>Everyone has there little things outside of /tesg/.For me, I use the chan and only the chan.
>>564010824>To show that Bethesda are just lazySo it's justifiable for you to reference other games, but if I reference other games it's a hole in my argument somehow.>The purpose of both of those skills is to find better loot, loot which you wouldn't need if it weren't for the heavy insistence on combat.You're bending over backwards here. If this degree of separation is allowable to say that lockpicking is a combat skill then you could also argue speech to be a combat skill.>A major draw to the genre is being able to successfully navigate your way through many integrated, overlapping mechanics. But those mechanics have to be interesting in their own right, and arbitrarily gating dialogue is not. You can engage with multiple mechanics through dialogue via the multiple examples I have given ITT. Using sneak skills to steal sensitive intelligence, using alchemy to cure the illness of a critical witness, using a repair skill to fix a broken device that contains information etc., you can come up with countless examples where other skills that have more application than specifically gated dialogue checks can have an influence on dialogue. Having a basic "SPEECH" skill that unlocks these things for you via your characters abstracted incredible charisma is just as basic and boring as a flat "ATTACK" skill is for combat as opposed to different types and application of weapons.>, you get a system that is designed to incentivize you towards primary/combat skillsAgain, there is no reason why this is necessarily the case. The only scrap of non-evidence you have given to support this is skyrim having more combat skills than non-combat skills, as if that means anything at all.>Retards deserve scorn. Fuck off.Sorry to say, I don't really perceive your failure to convince as scorn, it seems to me like desperation. Either way, you didn't affect my opinion whatsoever.>>564011106Maybe you didn't read the thread, I specifically do NOT want speech checks.
>>564011273o-oh.. mmhmm.. mhmm..
>>564008905I actually went to go look for a paper bag mod to be funny but there isn't one, but I did find something>>564009529Sucks for them, then
>>564010686that weird looking thing doesn't look asian
Finally able to post again, came back after like two months to the broken captcha bullshit. Just want to spread the gospel of fat dunmer tits man
>>564012758I hate Dunmer. I'm glad you had trouble.
>>564012758I love Dunmer. I'm glad you came back.
>>564011801Maybe her face isn't so bad after all
>>564012758I'm indifferent to the dunmer. I'm not sure how I feel about your return.
>>564011583>So it's justifiable for you to reference other games, but if I reference other games it's a hole in my argument somehow.This is what you said:>I'm not talking strictly about bethesda games>you were the one that brought up BG3 and VTMBI brought up both of those games as a point of comparison, not as the sole topic of discussion. This is /tesg/, after all.>If this degree of separation is allowable to say that lockpicking is a combat skill then you could also argue speech to be a combat skill.How? It's the complete opposite. Speech is used to avoid combat. Lockpicking is designed to find loot for combat. You're not given any other motivations for finding loot in TES other than to use it in combat or sell it for something you can use in combat. >But those mechanics have to be interesting in their own right, and arbitrarily gating dialogue is not.It serves a purpose of enabling certain character builds. As said before, the game should allow you to roleplay a character who has no knowledge of anything other than how to speak convincingly. If you remove the possibility to make a character that can talk their way out of fights with one unique skill tree, most players are just going to pivot towards combat skills, because they get whatever checks there are regardless. They wouldn't need to sacrifice levels for it. cont.
>>564011583>>564013129>Using sneak skills to steal sensitive intelligence, using alchemy to cure the illness of a critical witness, using a repair skill to fix a broken device that contains information etc.You can still have those, and also have speech. One doesn't make the other redundant.>Having a basic "SPEECH" skill that unlocks these things for you via your characters abstracted incredible charisma is just as basic and boring as a flat "ATTACK" skill is for combat as opposed to different types and application of weapons.Good game design will open up unique outcomes for speech and the other skills. For example, instead of having to kill a serial killer NPC for a quest, you could pass a speech check to allow them to vacate the region and never allow themselves to be seen again. Alternatively, you could pickpocket the murder weapon and turn it into the local police force to have them arrested. You could even use alchemy to poison them and turn them in yourself. Speech checks being shortcuts is not ideal, but I think it's up to the game designers to make the consequences of speech distinct from what you'd get with the other skills. However, that's besides the point, because TES doesn't even have many speech checks to begin with. Any options other than kill/loot would be appreciated.>Again, there is no reason why this is necessarily the case. The only scrap of non-evidence you have given to support this is skyrim having more combat skills than non-combat skills, as if that means anything at all.LMAO, it's the last TES game we got. How is it not relevant? >Either way, you didn't affect my opinion whatsoever.You can lead a retard to water but you can't make them drink.
>>564012758literally who
I hate these "go here at night" objectives. What's night? Sundown? Eight o'clock? Nine o'clock? Midnight?
>>564012758I like fat tits. I find your return acceptable
>>564012758>captchaslollmao even
>>564012873This post shames your ancestors. A greater bonewalker has been sent to your location>>564012985This post pleases your ancestors. +15 Azura Credits have been added to your account>>564013090This post confuses your ancestors. A lesser bonewalker has been sent to your location but it's just gonna kind of stand there and be annoying.>>564013187I didn't exactly post here that often to begin with, didn't mean to make it seem like some huge comeback of a respected regular
>>564012758always happy to see more dunmer
>>564013129>How? It's the complete opposite. Speech is used to avoid combat. Speech in skyrim is primarily used to gain more gold from selling loot which you said yourself makes lockpicking a combat stat. In fact I can't think of a single instance in the game where you can talk your way out of combat.>As said before, the game should allow you to roleplay a character who has no knowledge of anything other than how to speak convincingly.That's an extremely contrived and not credible character. You might as well say that RPGs should allow for a build of a character that doesn't know anything other than how to make a great pasta. Except even in the case of the world's greatest pasta chef you could at least imagine some kind of pasta cooking gameplay, but for the world's greatest bullshit artist the only gameplay would be clicking on the dialogue options unlocked by his high bullshitting stat.>If you remove the possibility to make a character that can talk their way out of fights with one unique skill tree, most players are just going to pivot towards combat skills, Again you talk like the only possible options are speech and combat, you realize that even in skyrim the game you criticize as being so supposedly dumbed down you have the option of stealth right? And even in the case of speech, you could certainly imagine scenarios where you avoid combat through dialogue that isn't your used car salesman character putting on his best bullshitting act.>You can still have those, and also have speech. One doesn't make the other redundant.It does make it redundant, as I said. The dialogue skill can ONLY be used in dialogue, the other skills have uses outside of dialogue. So if a dev wants to implement a dialogue skill, that skill must necessarily be better than other forms of dialogue checks or else the skill is worthless. This isn't just hypothetical either, this is in fact how speech skills work in most games that have them.
>>564013184>>564013761>For example, instead of having to kill a serial killer NPC for a quest, you could pass a speech check to allow them to vacate the region and never allow themselves to be seen againWhat could your character that only knows about being a supreme bullshit artist possibly say to convince a serial killer to stop being a serial killer? This is exactly what I was talking about, it would be very difficult to imagine a scenario where that would be possible. If you were to convince someone out of a behavior as extreme as serial murder you would need extensive personal information about them specifically or some credible threat against them if they continue. In both of those cases you need a lot more than the ability to bamboozle with conversation.>LMAO, it's the last TES game we got. How is it not relevant? Because we aren't talking about the last game, we're talking about the potential next game and similar games in general. Trying to tie my argument specifically to skyrim after I have said multiple times it is not can't be anything other than desperate attempt at point scoring on your part.>You can lead a retard to water but you can't make them drink.Trust me I'm very familiar with that concept, even more so after this thread.
Threads actually kinda nice if you just hide the massive walls of AI text that literally nobody is reading.
I’ve never played a non Nord or Breton. Maybe I’ll finally try to play an elf for once…
I'd post my opinion on the speechcraft skill but I don't want to get a giant wall of text that I won't read as a response
>>564013220>"you can only pray at dawn or dusk">wait until sunset>"your prayer isn't effective and must be at dawn or dusk"t-thanks
>>564013220It's not like they have clocks or bell towers to keep track of time in skyrim
Mania was actual dogshit and everyone responsible for it need to be beaten with razor blade-covered clubs>>564013220Think anything past 8 is "night">>564012758Always need some fat tiddy elves around
>>564013220More Sen butt.
>>564013761>In fact I can't think of a single instance in the game where you can talk your way out of combat.You can. A good example of this is in random encounters with thieves.https://youtu.be/zelMOHZduoM>That's an extremely contrived and not credible character. >contrived>not credibleLOL, so this is just your way of saying "we shouldn't respect the builds that have no combat advantages. LMFAO. >You might as well say that RPGs should allow for a build of a character that doesn't know anything other than how to make a great pasta.Except cooking is not a real mechanic with any depth and never has been. Interactions with characters/dialogue is a major component of the genre and TES. You can play the game without cooking anything, but you can't go without talking to NPCs. It's a core mechanic, it's not secondary to the experience, at least not yet.>you realize that even in skyrim the game you criticize as being so supposedly dumbed down you have the option of stealth right? Can you beat the game using speech or stealth though? No? I'll answer that for you.You HAVE to fight Alduin and the dragons to beat the game. You HAVE to fight pointless goons for the game to continue. You can't sneak your way around the boss fight in Sovngarde. >b-but you can score crits in stealthLMFAO.
>>564014070>>564015935>The dialogue skill can ONLY be used in dialogue, the other skills have uses outside of dialogueAnd as I said million of times before to you, speech would be an immensely powerful skill if the game had a deeper dialogue system and the level design wasn't designed to herd you towards combat encounters as much. Because TES is so casual, most of your time is spent killing things and spamming RT rather than talking to NPCs, so the designers didn't really give a shit about enhancing the dialogue system. Like Emil said, players like you will make paper planes out of any interesting options you give them, so why bother after all. >This isn't just hypothetical either, this is in fact how speech skills work in most games that have them.All of the RPGs I mentioned previously have more abilities to interact with NPCs and a deeper dialogue system than any modern TES game.
why is chatgpt arguing with itself
>>564014070>>564016003>>564015935>What could your character that only knows about being a supreme bullshit artist possibly say to convince a serial killer to stop being a serial killer?That's for the writers to decide. But I can think of many possibilities:>[Speech 75] Hey buddy! The cops have already found evidence that you committed the string of murders, and I'm here to arrest you. I'll let you go if you promise to never return!>[Speech 50] Don't you have a family? Why are you doing this? I saw the pictures on your wall of your daughter and wife. How would you feel if someone was to kill them?>[Intimidate] If you do so much as lay a finger on that man's head, I will personally disembowel you and craft a necklace from the fragments of your skull. All three of these options are leaps and bounds more imaginative than:>kill>loot>If you were to convince someone out of a behavior as extreme as serial murder you would need extensive personal information about them specifically or some credible threat against them if they continue.They could have it so finding said information should open speech checks. You don't have to dispose of the mechanic entirely, you're throwing the baby out with the bath water.>Because we aren't talking about the last game, we're talking about the potential next game and similar games in general.The last game is going to give us the biggest hint about what the next game has in store for us, addlebrained cretin.>Trust me I'm very familiar with that concept, even more so after this thread.Then why don't you drink the water? Hopefully it doesn't contain any more flouride than you've already consumed.
>>564015187kek
>>564011801Did you see the Ishowspeed part?>>564014192>>564015187Just report and move on.
>>564015637Not really gonna post THAT much of her since I just finished a playthrough as her, need to adjust the balance of my modlist and slow my leveling. Might just make another big milkers elf though, and Darili will always come back because she's my go-to for pure mage gameplay.
>add a few mods>random crashes galoreWell, here we go...
>>564015935>You can. A good example of this is in random encounters with thieves.Well I guess a random event overrides the fact that most of the speech perks are centered around making gold. I think it's more telling however how you had to scrape low to find any example of speech options allowing this though.>LOL, so this is just your way of saying "we shouldn't respect the builds that have no combat advantages. LMFAO.It's my way of saying that such a person would not be believable in any setting. That's a cartoon character, not a credible character build idea. They don't have to be combat specialized, but they do have to be able to do something other than be a bullshit artist.>Except cooking is not a real mechanic with any depth and never has been. It could be, it's easily as believable for the basis of a character as a guy who lies and fakes his way through literally everything in the game. The point is not that I want a pasta chef archetype to be viable, the point is that such a character is absurd just like the professional bullshitter you are proposing.>Can you beat the game using speech or stealth though? No?The point is that there are other modes of non-combat gameplay possible than speech. Stealth is obviously a pretty big one having been in many RPGs over time and as its own genre of game. You are pretending like if you don't have the ability to avoid combat solely through speech then there is no other way to avoid it.>And as I said million of times before to you, speech would be an immensely powerful skill if the game had a deeper dialogue systemDeeper dialogue does not automatically imply a speech skill and speech checks. Everyone wants better dialogue, but speech checks do nothing to produce that and in fact do a lot to prevent it.>All of the RPGs I mentioned previously have more abilities ...And what I'm highlighting is that in all of those RPGs the speech skill does in fact make other forms of speech checks redundant.
>>564005172would
>>564016334Nope, I actually missed the first hour because I didn't know it started at 6>>564016471>Might just make another big milkers elf thoughSuggestion: Bosmer
>>564017017I don't really watch WWE anymore unless someone is streaming it. But apparently his showcase was a big thing.
>>564016075>>564016747>Hey buddy! The cops have already found evidenceWhy would he be convinced by this unless you had some kind of proof? He was apparently already willing to flout the law enough to commit murder, I doubt the hearsay of a random guy would overcome that. If you did have that proof your bullshitting skill would be pointless.>Don't you have a family? Why are you doing this? I saw the pictures on your wall of your daughter and wife.This is more like what I was proposing than what you were, here you are not just bullshiting but presenting personal information that you obtained outside of speech skill alone.>If you do so much as lay a finger on that man's head, I will personally disembowel youSo, a threat of combat, the thing you are specifically arguing against. If your intent here is for it to be a bluff, why would he be convinced by the bluff of a person that has no apparently combat ability?This is what I'm saying, the only way you could make these options actually convincing would be speech check magic, your stat says you are convincing and so you are. The actually content of the dialogue here is not convincing whatsoever. If this is what you mean by deeper dialogue, then I regret to inform you that this is actually a regression of quality not an improvement.>They could have it so finding said information should open speech checks. But that would involve gameplay outside of speech. You were the one that said a build entirely focused on speech should be possible. >The last game is going to give us the biggest hint about what the next game has in store for us, We aren't talking about what's LIKELY to be in the game, we are talking about what we WANT it to be. If we were talking about what TES 6 will likely be why would we be having this conversation at all, you obviously don't believe it will have quality dialogue.
>>564011273they should be loyal to /tesg/
>>564016958Nice.
>>564017212The celebshit is part of the problem
>>564016334>Liking ishowspeednot beating the allegations synthiafag
>>564017262Does cross posting at teslg break loyalty.
>>564015324kek I've never tried Azura with Wintersun, but I know vanilla dawn and dusk are kinda fucky. Night is like eightish hours long for gameplay reasons I guess, but a lot of people make it longer.>>564015582They gotta have some kind of clock even if it's not super accurate or miniaturized. Even Skyrimoids have decently advanced wind and water mills. It's not like they're cavemen. Also I just don't find waiting around for some vague time at which something may or may not happen due to a bug or whatever to be compelling gameplay.>>564015637It was nine.>>564015796There will be. I'm going to stick with this outfit through Akavir I think.
Just found out that over on /bgg/ there is an even more delusional, more cucked simp than Seranafag and Seranafag bullies them.
>>564017812who?
>>564017017Plan is bosmer or falmer, since I already have an altmer character. Love a good dark skinned elf lady but I wish that every racial power mod didn't just give bosmer the same ranger/beastmaster gimmicks.>>564017803I gotta get around to akavir one of these days, got so many other quest/new lands mods to work through still. Is it good so far?
>>564017267We needs more butts.
>>564016747>Well I guess a random event overrides the fact that most of the speech perks are centered around making goldThat's exactly my point, speech is utterly pointless in Skyrim because even though you can talk your way out of a few things (you could talk your way out of combat a lot more in other games like FNV), most of the time speech is used to compliment the combat by adding additional monetary gains. You're flat out wrong about there being no ways to talk your way out of combat in Skyrim though.>It's my way of saying that such a person would not be believable in any setting.That's 90% of the characters you meet in the game. Do you think Haelga has any combat prowess? Nazeem?>It could beBut it isn't, never has been, and never will be. Dialogue has ALWAYS been a major mechanic in the Elder Scrolls.>You are pretending like if you don't have the ability to avoid combat solely through speech then there is no other way to avoid it.No, I'm not saying that, I even said to you previously that you should be able to get additional outcomes through other skills too. I merely presented it as an easy way to ameliorate the boring loot kill bullshit in Skyrim, because dialogue is already a mechanic and it requires no fundamental changes in level design or even the dialogue system as a whole to compensate for its inclusion. You wouldn't have to design new things to find to make use of the other skills.>Deeper dialogue does not automatically imply a speech skill and speech checksSpeech checks make the dialogue system more powerful by adding effects on gameplay (actually integrating itself with another primary mechanic), that in turn does make it more interconnected and thus deeper and less shallow, yes. >And what I'm highlighting is that in all of those RPGs the speech skill does in fact make other forms of speech checks redundantElaborate.
>>564017224>Why would he be convinced by this unless you had some kind of proof?Because some people just look trustworthy, and he may have already had doubts. This could he the camel that broke the straw's back, catching him in the act made him conclude that something was up.>This is more like what I was proposing than what you were, here you are not just bullshiting but presenting personal information It could go both ways. You could be bullshitting, but you could have also paid attention to the environmental storytelling in the prior room and mentioned it to him. >that you obtained outside of speech skill alone.So what? Is there an observation skill now?>So, a threat of combat, the thing you are specifically arguing against. If your intent here is for it to be a bluff, why would he be convinced by the bluff of a person that has no apparently combat ability?Because your character could be a paper tiger. They could be buff and muscular, but with no combat prowess whatsoever. Builds that subvert expectations like that can be incredibly fun to play.>This is what I'm saying, the only way you could make these options actually convincing would be speech check magicOr just good writers, which Bethesda lacks. >But that would involve gameplay outside of speech. You were the one that said a build entirely focused on speech should be possible. Speech IS gameplay, moron. I didn't even say this anyway, I said that a non-combat build should be possible. Combat =/= gameplay.>We aren't talking about what's LIKELY to be in the game, we are talking about what we WANT it to be.I was being realistic. Even if Bethesda has went off the deep end, Starfield reintroducing speech checks should make the possibility of TES VI having them at least a consideration. Being able to beat the game with excellent cupcake recipes is totally asinine.
>>564017803damn nice pic
>>564017803I really want to give that mod a try but I'm pretty hesitant to do so. Is it one I can install mid playthrough or do I have to start a new game with it?
>leave camera where it is and tab out to convert screens, post etc.>take headphones off>computer sounds like an airplane>room is 90 degreesWhy does this happen?>>564018150It mostly looks really nice. I'm finding the main quest kind of frustrating though because it makes repeated use of the Karliah paralysis trick and when it's not doing that it's just arbitrarily locking your controls or teleporting you etc. I'm pretty early I think, so hopefully it'll knock it off soon.>>564018347Thanks.>>564018367I installed it just before starting it at level 51 with almost nothing left to do in Skyrim.
>>564018048There's some guy obsessed with Shadowheart.At first I thought this guy was Seranafag but as I kept reading I realised actually that's the guy arguing with him who simps for Minthara.
found a cool new sword in some ancient crypt, hope it isn't cursed or anything.
>>564018679Your Serana looks really cool. Thick too.
finished Dac0da and snagged hendraheim for starters. I think I got almost everything in one go, checked the obscure merchant and there were two swords I didn't recognize but its nbd. The armors don't really fit with my modlist but its fun to collect. I'll probably get another house to display lewd armors if I even bother playing this save for a super long time.
>>564018240>That's exactly my point, speech is utterly pointless in Skyrimand by extension is as much of a combat skill as lockingpicking if that is your standard.>That's 90% of the characters you meet in the game. Do you think Haelga has any combat prowess? Nazeem?Haelga and Nazeem aren't going around trying to complete quests and finish the storyline. You might have a point here if the game in question was a peasant or medieval landlord simulator. Seriously, what were you thinking with this?>But it isn't, never has been, and never will be. And? You are dodging the point. The point is that your proposed used car salesman character is just as absurd as my chef character. What is your reply?>because dialogue is already a mechanic and it requires no fundamental changes in level design or even the dialogue system as a whole to compensate for its inclusion.You could say the same thing for sneak, if you reworked the handful of required combat encounters to allow stealth it would work just as well as if you reworked the necessary dialogue options.And yes, you did say that>>564008753>Speech is the only skill in Skyrim that has no combat utility. By gutting speech you actually remove any point of non-combat specialization to begin with.>Speech checks make the dialogue system more powerful by adding effects on gameplay Like what?>Elaborate.I already did, here>>564013761>It does make it redundant, as I said. The dialogue skill can ONLY be used in dialogue, the other skills have uses outside of dialogue. So if a dev wants to implement a dialogue skill, that skill must necessarily be better than other forms of dialogue checks or else the skill is worthless. This isn't just hypothetical either, this is in fact how speech skills work in most games that have them.
>>564018791that's not thick
>>564018842what's that samurai armor from?
>>564018984Dac0da, the Tsaeci set. I think its the best set from the mod. looks much better on a male.
>>564018240>>564018285>>564018894>Because some people just look trustworthy,Absolutely laughable, you are talking about a person that was already willing to break the most extreme restrictions of law and morality being convinced because the guy he's talking to has a nice sunny smile. >It could go both ways. You could be bullshitting, but you could have also paid attention to the environmental storytelling in the prior room and mentioned it to him. So your solution here is that your character either makes a complete shot in the dark guess that magically happens to work, or the dialogue option informs the player of content that he missed of his own error instead of enforcing that error. And THIS is supposed to be your argument in favor of speech checks?>So what? Is there an observation skill now?You were the one that said you want the option of a character that beats the entire game solely through the ability to speak convincingly. I am assuming in your scenario you aren't just randomly walking into the murderer's house to see his family pictures but instead have to use some other form of skill to obtain that information. If you are saying you randomly walk in, then you are defeating your own point by presenting another contrived scenario existing solely to support the existence of a speech skill.>Because your character could be a paper tiger. And that would be enough to convince a guy that's apparently capable of extreme violence? You might have a point if you were intimidating a random villager, not a known violent individual.>Or just good writers, which Bethesda lacks. Apparently you lack too, since your proposed solutions were so bad.>Speech IS gameplay, moronI said it would require gameplay outside of speech, you would need to do something to get the information you use to convince the person. That isn't speech.
>>564018946Her legs are massive tho.
>>564019434That is nothing
Is this genuine autism or is some retard making two AIs argue with each other as a way to spam the thread without getting banned?
>>564018216Indeed.
Climb in back and we'll be off.
>>564019858yeah anon anyone not posting about tits and ass is actually just a guy using AI to spam the thread for his own mysterious nefarious reasons.
>>564019929*walk in back
>>564019926Nice. She's getting more and more pink with each passing day. Not really, but it feels that way. I like it.
>>564018894>and by extension is as much of a combat skill as lockingpicking if that is your standard.Except speech isn't used to find things for combat, it's used to get greater rewards from it. It's still a complimentary skill in Skyrim, but it is still a non-combat skill because its primary use isn't just to progress the gameplay loop. >Haelga and Nazeem aren't going around trying to complete quests and finish the storyline.They are normal people living in Skyrim. Your character is also a normal person. They didn't just drop into existence one day and decide to take on the entire country with an iron axe and a flame spell. Speech would've made it easier to roleplay a normal person and not indulge in a power fantasy.>You might have a point here if the game in question was a peasant or medieval landlord simulator. The game is an RPG you dense moron. It isn't Halo or Dragon's Dogma either. You should have options for character building that aren't tied to the power fantasy of shredding through bandits.>And? You are dodging the point. The point is that your proposed used car salesman character is just as absurd as my chef character. Except, one character is actually plausible through the mechanics we have in-game, and the other isn't. You should be able to talk to nearly every NPC in the main quest or at least avoid confrontation with them. Surpassing every NPC confrontation in the game with excellent cupcake recipes has never been a mechanic. >You could say the same thing for sneak, if you reworked the handful of required combat encounters to allow stealth it would work just as well as if you reworked the necessary dialogue options.Yes? No arguments here, that's exactly what they should do. Sneak and speech should integrate themselves a whole lot better in the game.
>>564019327>>564020381>Like what?Well for one, if you pass a speech check you get to avoid a combat encounter. Two, maybe you get to marry a certain NPC that's closed-off and shy, instead of wearing a bullshit amulet. >I already did, hereGeneralizing is not elaborating.>>564019327>you are talking about a person that was already willing to break the most extreme restrictions of law and morality being convinced because the guy he's talking to has a nice sunny smile. Yes. It has happened in real life. Look up the case of Brian Nichols and Ashley Smith. The nigger had her as a hostage and she talked her way out of it.>So your solution here is that your character either makes a complete shot in the dark guess that magically happens to work, or the dialogue option informs the player of content that he missed of his own error instead of enforcing that error. You wouldn't be able to miss a picture on a wall placed at the top of a stairway, would you?>assuming in your scenario you aren't just randomly walking into the murderer's house to see his family pictures but instead have to use some other form of skill to obtain that informationYou wouldn't need a skill to see certain bits of environmental storytelling, as long as it's placed conveniently. >And that would be enough to convince a guy that's apparently capable of extreme violence? Yes, see above.>Apparently you lack too, since your proposed solutions were so bad.Better than loot kill loot.>I said it would require gameplay outside of speech, you would need to do something to get the information you use to convince the person. That isn't speech.You do realize that viewing a picture in a frame isn't combat, right?
>>564019938Don't play coy like the idea of a fag doing that is a newfound concept
so how about them waifus?
>>564020520what about em
>>564020169If you boop her does she click and light up?Get you a glowgoat and never cast candlelight ever again
>>564020520They're still truckin' along
>>564019858Yes.
>>564018791thanks its this replacerhttps://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/121327>>564019926true
>>564020381>Except speech isn't used to find things for combat,It's used to obtain gold just like lockpicking, which you said makes it a combat skill.>They are normal people living in Skyrim. Your character is also a normal person. If you are talking specifically about skyrim then he quite literally is not just a normal person, he's a dragonborn. If you want to talk about RPGs generally, then even in that case your character is still not just a normal person even if they are not some kind of chosen one. The fact that your character is the driving force behind the main plot means he is more than a random peasant by necessity, regardless of what his role might be. Unless you are talking about an RPG where the object is to grow your peasant homestead or climb the corporate ladder of course.> You should have options for character building that aren't tied to the power fantasy of shredding through bandits.The fact that you have to confront bandits at all undercuts your point, Haelga and Nazeem aren't personally confronting bandits ever. The fact that you are implies that you aren't living an idyllic domestic life.>Except, one character is actually plausible through the mechanics we have in-game, and the other isn't.It's not plausible at all, which is, again, my point. It's not remotely plausible that a sleazy liar would be able to talk his way through literally any situation the game presented. That would require every character in the game that is not the player to be a gullible moron, which would in turn make the entire setting into a farce.
>>564020381>>564020420>>564020886>Well for one, if you pass a speech check you get to avoid a combat encounter. So again, its gameplay is performed entirely in the dialogue menu which by necessity requires speech skill to be better than any other form of speech check, or else the speech skill is worthless. The existence of the speech skill in this scenario is undermining the possibility of a much deeper and better integrated form of speech checking that takes advantage of all possible skills.>Generalizing is not elaborating.Yes it is, what more do you want me to specify exactly?>Brian Nichols and Ashley Smithhaha, ironically enough this case involved her cooking for him to manage her escape>After she made him pancakes for breakfast, Nichols allowed Smith to leave to see her daughter, whereupon she called police.[I don't think you could have picked a worse example lol. Regardless, the point remains, it's highly implausible that this would work with any kind of reliability, you can find one off examples of anything, it doesn't mean that it makes for convincing writing.>You wouldn't be able to miss a picture on a wall placed at the top of a stairway, would youright right, just continue to make your scenario even more exacting and contrived as necessary to make your scenario work. You don't see the problem here?The notion that you could make a wild guess about the personal life of an opponent that randomly happens to work is just about the worst kind of writing I can think of.>Better than loot kill loot.I'm sure that strawman feels thoroughly defeated.>You do realize that viewing a picture in a frame isn't combat, right?See above, no one said anything about combat except you and your strawman.
I don't think you two are gonna change each other's minds.
>>564020518It's not a new concept to the conspiratorial retards browsing this thread, it is a new concept to reality however as absolutely no one would waste their time with this absurd concept if their goal was to shit on the thread. If they wanted to do that they would just spam garbage pics like bimbofag. Making pissy complaints about a few dozen on topic posts you don't like does more damage to the thread than anything you are complaining about.
i should play this porn sex boobs game that has fat asses and wide hips in it more often
>>564021452>absolutely no one would waste their time with this absurd concept if their goal was to shit on the thread
>>564021452Anon, I...
>>564021452It takes all of two seconds to go "hey grok can you write a longform reply to (ctrl+v post here)"Plus in a general where Seranafag used to do the same shit on his own for the love of the game it really wouldn't surprise me that the guy that always picks a fight with himself at the 600 mark is once again picking a fight with himself in the post 600 mark
>only works on unenchanted weaponsWhat a fucking waste.
>>564020886>It's used to obtain gold just like lockpicking, which you said makes it a combat skill.I said that lockpicking is used to obtain weapons and armor, which are mechanics in combat. Speech isn't used to obtain weapons and armor, so it isn't a part of the kill-loot gameplay loop. It only adds an additional option to haggle for more money.>If you are talking specifically about skyrim then he quite literally is not just a normal person, he's a dragonborn.Not initially, he's a prisoner on a carriage taken to be beheaded. >The fact that your character is the driving force behind the main plot means he is more than a random peasant by necessity, regardless of what his role might be. Everyone starts out as a random peasant before they go through the necessary character development required to move the plot forward. My argument is that Skyrim isn't well-structured in this regard. You start off being able to kill mostly everything on the map as soon as you escape Helgen due to the busted level scaling, and you can't even roleplay a character that is weak because speech has been gutted.>The fact that you have to confront bandits at all undercuts your pointThat IS my point, you retard. The game doesn't give you enough options to deal with enemies but it also doesn't give you enough options to not have to confront bandits. It's all a byproduct of the barebones dialogue system.
>>564022356https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA
>>564021187>The existence of the speech skill in this scenario is undermining the possibility of a much deeper and better integrated form of speech checking that takes advantage of all possible skills.Or we could have both? New Vegas has both.>Yes it is, what more do you want me to specify exactly?What games are you talking about and what situations were there that undermined other skills in favor of speech? I want to hear it.>haha, ironically enough this case involved her cooking for him to manage her escapeIf only it was that simple...>She tried convincing Nichols to turn himself in by telling him about her husband's death, and showing him a scar she got in a car wreck while under the influence of drugsSounds like a real life speech check to me.>Regardless, the point remains, it's highly implausible that this would work with any kind of reliability, you can find one off examples of anything, it doesn't mean that it makes for convincing writing.It's a fucking video game. It's implausible that a player character would be able tank 100 arrows too.>right right, just continue to make your scenario even more exacting and contrived as necessary to make your scenario work. You don't see the problem here?"Exacting""Contrived"LMAO, it's not contrived to be able to simply design a system that is well-integrated and intuitive.>I'm sure that strawman feels thoroughly defeated.What?>See above, no one said anything about combat except you and your strawman.>But that would involve gameplay outside of speech. You were the one that said a build entirely focused on speech should be possible. This outright implies that speech isn't gameplay.So what is? Combat. That was your implication.
>>564020886>It's not remotely plausible that a sleazy liar would be able to talk his way through literally any situation the game presented. That would require every character in the game that is not the player to be a gullible moron, which would in turn make the entire setting into a farce.Or just reasonable? Speech checks aren't just deceptive, they also often have your player engage in debates with NPCs. Speech is really just an umbrella term in RPGs for Intimidation, Deception, etc. Often times they are combined into one skill (like in Fallout), but most of the time there are different branches of dialogue attributes.>>564021187>So again, its gameplay is performed entirely in the dialogue menu which by necessity requires speech skill to be better than any other form of speech checkThat's not true, you should be able to have other skill checks too, speech is just the easily one to implement.
>>564022631*easiest
>>564020803Nice, thanks.
>>564022528>Speech isn't used to obtain weapons and armorIt is though, because it's primary function is for trading to make more money. A random event or two where you can avoid combat through speech does not negate the fact that speech is overwhelmingly used for money.>Not initially, he's a prisoner on a carriage taken to be beheaded. And? Before you get out of that tutorial you have already personally met a jarl leading a rebellion and escaped death at the hands of a legendary world ending dragon, and you are thrust into the situation of warning the local jarl of potential world ending disaster. You are not just some nobody tending to his crops.>Everyone starts out as a random peasant before they go through the necessary character development required to move the plot forward. My argument is that Skyrim isn't well-structured in this regard. You start off being able to kill mostly everything on the map as soon as you escape Helgen due to the busted level scaling, and you can't even roleplay a character that is weak because speech has been gutted.If your complaint is that it's a problem for a new character to be capable in combat, why is it acceptable for a new character to be capable in speech? shouldn't he have to develop that skill as much as anything else? could your character not have had a background in combat before the events of the game?It seems like you're reaching now.>That IS my point, you retard. The game doesn't give you enough options to deal with enemies but it also doesn't give you enough options to not have to confront bandits. It's all a byproduct of the barebones dialogue system."Confront" does not mean "kill". If you are in the presence of bandits at all for any reason other than to be robbed by them, then you are not some random peasant, you are more than that. Peasants do not sneak into bandit camps or converse with bandits to see the error or their ways or of course, fight them.
>Installed the Mihail golem mod despite warnings>Go to do Imperial intro quest early on a new character>Level 20 giant ice golem explodes out of the roadOhSo that's what the warnings were for
>>564023008Enjoy the ride lol.
>>564022572>>564022631>>564022931>Or we could have both? New Vegas has both.It has both to its own detriment, as I have so extensively spoken. NV in fact is one of the worst offenders of what I'm talking about, speech is one of the most powerful skills in that game to the point of overpowering almost everything else.>What games are you talking about and what situations were there that undermined other skills in favor of speech? I want to hear it.I'll give you another example in addition to NV, I was playing kotor recently and this exact scenario exists in that game too. You have a persuasion skill, but your other skills and attributes can also allow you to pass checks, except almost every dialogue in the game that has a skill check for a non-persuasion skill also has a persuasion option, in addition to many dialogues that only have persuasion checks. Persuasion is so much better than everything else at clearing dialogue checks that the feature is basically pointless on any other skill.>If only it was that simple...apparently it was in your case.>It's a fucking video game. It's implausible that a player character would be able tank 100 arrows too.One implausibility does not negate another, see pic. Dialogue requires the least amount of abstraction for the purposes of gameplay, it's even more offensive when it occurs there.>LMAO, it's not contrived to be able to simply design a system that is well-integrated and intuitive.What's contrived is you having to continually add details to your proposed speech check to make it at all plausible, anon.>This outright implies that speech isn't gameplay.>So what is? Combat. That was your implication.No it doesn't, it directly states that speech IS gameplay, that's why I said gameplay ASIDE FROM speech.
>>564023008He has a lot of cool stuff, he really needs to do a better job with the balancing. I can't tell you how many times I died to a level 40 whateverthefuck while I was still level 10
>>564022631>>564022931>>564023434>Or just reasonable?It's unreasonable that every character encountered over the course of the entire story would be susceptible to being conned by a person that has no skill or knowledge in anything except lying, unless they are all morons. Real people don't work that way.>That's not true, you should be able to have other skill checks too, speech is just the easily one to implement.It's the easiest one to implement because it's a generic and broad skill that has no associated gameplay outside of unlocking dialogue options, which is the problem.
Need dunmer gf
>>564023441Apparently theres a script out there to remove the hand-placed enemies while preserving the level list ones.I never tried it though.
>>564002730>>564020520Needed to test something regarding an NPC, so briefly started a new save, and sped through it for a bit. Managed to get this pic while speed running Bleak Falls Barrow. Now i'm seeing how fast I can get back to where I was before on a new save. Hopefully tomorrow I can get caught up (theres not much. Just the main quest up to Diplomatic Immunity, the mages guild up to Revealing the Unseen, then the Peryite and Meridia quests)
>>564023008My favorite Mihail Moment was when I was doing Ansilvund and a bone colossus popped out of the floor in the boss room while I was invisible and stomped Luah al'Skaven into a pancake.
>>564023757Dick nipples
i am having sex with argonians irl
>>564024341gm sir
>>564024341Put your fucking pet iguana back in his enclosure
>>564023932I can't say I have a favorite moment but one memorable moment for me was when I was doing the civil war. I was going to the last fort for the Imperials and one of Mihail's mages there wiped out all the Stormcloaks and Imperial soldiers. I was so mad.
>>564017541I just saw a bunch of people on twitter mention it.>allegations what allegations?>>564017262oh damn.....>>564020520waifus are very important.
>>563971683you forgot a lot of other games, starcraft being the most notable
>>564022931>A random event or two where you can avoid combat through speech does not negate the fact that speech is overwhelmingly used for money.That's precisely my problem with speech, but that doesn't make it a combat-oriented skill, at least not in the same way lockpicking is. Lockpicking and pickpocket are LOOTING skills, and since Bethesda games are basically looter shooters, they have a far more important utility than speech. >And? Before you get out of that tutorial you have already personally met a jarl leading a rebellion and escaped death at the hands of a legendary world ending dragon, and you are thrust into the situation of warning the local jarl of potential world ending disaster.And? How does that make you important?Is Lokir of Rorikstead not a complete nobody because he met Ulfric? What about Ralof or the dozen other unnamed Stormcloaks?>If your complaint is that it's a problem for a new character to be capable in combat, why is it acceptable for a new character to be capable in speech?Because speech is an overwhelmingly civilian proficiency. A legendary warrior or swordsman would've had extremely specialized training to make them as good at it as they are. >could your character not have had a background in combat before the events of the game?If you want them to, sure, but not all characters should be combat-oriented.>"Confront" does not mean "kill" Didn't say that.>If you are in the presence of bandits at all for any reason other than to be robbed by them, then you are not some random peasant, you are more than that. Caravaners and farmers frequently get robbed by bandits, bandit business would be rather dry if they decided to only rob level 500 dragonborns.
>>564023541>>564023434>NV in factActually bring up a moment in FNV where whatever you've said is relevant, don't just generalize. >KOTOR>Persuasion is so much better than everything else at clearing dialogue checks that the feature is basically pointless on any other skill.Never cared much about KOTOR, but if your complaint is:>Why is the speech check skill giving me the same amount of speech checks as skills which have nothing to do with speech?!Then maybe you should take a step back and consider the fact that speech is maybe overpowered because it has to be? Because there's no combat utility for it? That balance has to be made up somewhere. And simply removing it would make it so that you couldn't effectively roleplay a charming or charismatic character.>apparently it was in your case.She cooked for him only AFTER she had already convinced him to turn himself in. >One implausibility does not negate another, see pic.How exactly is charming dialogue comparable to a fucking car? You're 100% baiting with this one.>Dialogue requires the least amount of abstraction for the purposes of gameplayThat doesn't mean the abstraction isn't there, do you think that every character in the game would treat you the same regardless of what race or gender you are?>What's contrived is you having to continually add details to your proposed speech check to make it at all plausible, anon.It's so plausible that speech checks are common in literally every RPG on the market today, except Bethshit games.
>>564023434>No it doesn't, it directly states that speech IS gameplay, that's why I said gameplay ASIDE FROM speech.And that's why I asked you previously what you meant by that. Did you mean that observation should be a skill? Because it doesn't take proficiency in any of the skills in Skyrim to simply view an image in a picture frame. >>564023541>Real people don't work that way.I've already shown you an example of this actually happening, and you pivoted to it being uncommon enough to not even bother featuring as a possibility in the game, which is such a lame excuse.>It's the easiest one to implement because it's a generic and broad skill that has no associated gameplay outside of unlocking dialogue options, which is the problem.And that's entirely fine, because non-combat encounters where you can actually use a speech check in these games is so uncommon that you might as well not even have it at all.
>>563985557ChudRace / ChudRaceVampire
We have been invaded by indians
>>564024870we can tell, this guy have been spamming chatgpt posts all night. On a Saturday night.
>>564024870yeah, it started about 15 years ago
>>564024961There were some emdashes before that but I just ignored them, I've been asleep for 12 hours so it's nice that I didn't actually miss anything
>game still ctds and doesnt make a crash logreeeee
>>564024706>Lockpicking and pickpocket are LOOTING skills,what is the difference between looting and trading if the end result is still making more gold? totally arbitrary distinction.>And? How does that make you important?Being entrusted with the task of warning the jarl of an impending dragon attack for the first time in centuries is not at all out of the ordinary? Unless your argument is that the player character should have died at helgen like any number of nameless villagers or lokir and the credits roll at the 10 minute mark I don't get what you are trying to say. Clearly if you are up to the task of surviving helgen and obtaining the dragonstone you are not the same as some random villager.>What about Ralof or the dozen other unnamed Stormcloaks?Ralof is in fact quite notable since he is a participant in much of the civil war which is the other major event in skyrim. Another thing Nazeem is not doing. He's not as significant as the player character but is still more than a random farmer.>A legendary warrior or swordsmanWhy would you need to be a legendary warrior to beat up on some bandits? I think a decently skilled and equipped mercenary or war veteran would be capable of that, and apparently that's the case since the companions regularly get hired for that exact purpose.>Because speech is an overwhelmingly civilian proficiencyIt's also overwhelmingly uncommon in a medieval world, in fact the vast majority of people wouldn't even be literate let alone effortlessly convincing and articulate. >If you want them to, sure, but not all characters should be combat-oriented.So why is it a problem if a new character can fight bandits?>Caravaners and farmers frequently get robbed by bandits,Right, and if you are presumably engaging with bandits on whatever level be it robbing them through sneak or convincing them to turn themselves in or fighting them you are not a farmer, you are something more than that.
>>564025237It will be the last source you check
>>564024759>Then maybe you should take a step back and consider the fact that speech is maybe overpowered because it has to be?Really? Should I consider that? Hmm anon, you make a great point......>>564000380>Speech and persuasion skills in all the games I have played that have them tend to allow you to pass any check with very little effort through it alone, which leads to speech becoming a must take stat when half the dialogue in the game is locked behind it.>>564004478>The less situations that involve speech checks the less valuable a dedicated speech stat becomes in character building, and the only use for a speech stat is in dialogue, which leads to the negative outcome of devs gating huge portions of dialogue in the game behind the speech skill to make the speech skill worthwhile. The story of the game should not be existing in service of some arbitrary character stat, that's asinine.>>564007478>You can't have an entire dedicated speech skill that only gives you the ability to seduce a handful of NPCs or sell off some stolen junk for more money, the value of that skill would be far to low to be worth investing in. That's why so many RPGs have gone down the destructive route of arbitrarily chopping up their dialogue and story outcomes specifically to gate them in such a way that a speech skill becomes useful.>>564009578>riht, but like I said the problem is that speech checks override the skill specific checks in almost every example of this because the developers need to make speech worth investing in, which makes those other skill based dialogue checks redundant.Literally every post I have made today involved this exact point. What are you even arguing at this point? My conclusion is that you can't simply nerf speech to be competitive, because its only function is in dialogue, if a speech skill is equal to some other skill in speech checks why would you ever take speech? The existence of speech necessitates that it be overpowered in dialogue.
>>564025481You should at least change the text format of the other replies, this is embarrassing.
>>564025841>>564025841>>564025841NEW THREAD
>>564024759>She cooked for him only AFTER she had already convinced him to turn himself in.according to the reporting I saw he was only convinced after she BOTH spoke to him and cooked for him. There you go, my chef character is now totally legitimate by your own standard. I guess I have to change him to a pancake chef instead of pasta though.>How exactly is charming dialogue comparable to a fucking car? You're 100% baiting with this one.It's comparable because one implausibility does not negate another. Having dialogue checks that are utterly corny and unbelievable like convincing a serial murderer to repent because of your dashing good looks and chatting skills is just as stupid as any other absurd scenario.>That doesn't mean the abstraction isn't there, The existence of any amount of abstraction does not mean you are justified in using abstraction to the point of absurdity.>It's so plausible that speech checks are common in literally every RPG on the market today,And like I have said, it's done in those games in almost every case.> Did you mean that observation should be a skill? I meant that the murderer's house simply being open for you to explore makes no sense unless your character is the law enforcement officer investigating the case. If you aren't, getting access to the house to see the pictures would require you to take some other kind of action whether it's sneaking in or whatever else.>I've already shown you an example of this actually happening, and you pivoted to it being uncommon enough to not even bother featuring as a possibility in the game, which is such a lame excuse.It's not at all a lame excuse, like I said the exact case you provided gives just as much justification for my chef character as it does yours. Finding one off oddball events in real life does not mean you are licensed to then use that in writing and demand that the audience take it seriously.
>>564025248>what is the difference between looting and trading if the end result is still making more gold? The difference is that speech is multifaceted. You can haggle for more gold but you can also talk your way out of very specific scenarios. It's not ideal since this is mostly a secondary purpose for it in Skyrim because as you said, it is mostly used for haggling for more gold. However, that doesn't just eliminate the fact that you can use it to avoid combat. That alone makes it a non-combat skill. Pickpocketing and lockpicking aren't combat skills on the surface, but their integration in Skyrim makes them combat-adjacent skills because their primary use is looting weapons/armor/gold for the sake of the repetitive combat loop. >Being entrusted with the task of warning the jarl of an impending dragon attack for the first time in centuries is not at all out of the ordinary? Not at all, you get given the quest by a bunch of lumberjacks working a mill.>Ralof is in fact quite notable since he is a participant in much of the civil war which is the other major event in skyrim.So is everyone else.>Another thing Nazeem is not doing. Nazeem is actually important for Whiterun's economy, since he owns their farms IIRC. So contrary to whatever point you might've had, Nazeem is actually well-known and well-regarded in Whiterun despite not being a combatant himself.
>>564021187>Why would you need to be a legendary warrior to beat up on some bandits?Because the dragonborn doesn't just kill one or two bandits, he enters their hideouts and goes full Conan on their asses.>It's also overwhelmingly uncommon in a medieval world, in fact the vast majority of people wouldn't even be literate let alone effortlessly convincing and articulate. Everyone in Skyrim has a perfect hold on English, guess the dialogue system needed some abstraction after all.>So why is it a problem if a new character can fight bandits?The problem is that you shouldn't have to.>Right, and if you are presumably engaging with bandits on whatever level be it robbing them through sneak or convincing them to turn themselves in or fighting them you are not a farmer, you are something more than that.You get trapped in dialogue with bandits out on the roads regardless, they always announce themselves like "SEPTIMS OR YOUR LIFE" or whatever.>>564025481>What are you even arguing at this point?I'm arguing that despite speech being overpowered, it still serves a purpose within RPGs and should be preserved. I don't agree with your conclusion that we should reintegrate speech checks as skill checks. Games already have skill checks and I don't feel as though the inclusion of speech checks undermines that. You can't have your cake and eat it too, that's essentially what you're demanding when you ask for speech to be removed to further emphasize skill checks. I don't even think what I'm arguing is that all that different from what you are. I just disagree with your conclusion.
>>564025946>according to the reporting I saw he was only convinced after she BOTH spoke to him and cooked for himAccording to CNN, she had convinced him to relax by talking to him about her Christian faith. That allowed him to open up to her, and he let her leave the house to speak to her daughter. She cooked for him, but it was only after he had been pacified.>Having dialogue checks that are utterly corny and unbelievable like convincing a serial murderer to repent because of your dashing good looks and chatting skills is just as stupid as any other absurd scenario.Whatever example we could've hypothesized here is completely redundant because the the writing process is much longer and curative. I'm simply explaining to you that these things could easily be implemented, I don't claim to be the best writer.>The existence of any amount of abstraction does not mean you are justified in using abstraction to the point of absurdity.How exactly is it absurd? I provided an example of this happening in real life.>And like I have said, it's done in those games in almost every case.There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Any minor quirks you might have with is irrelevant if the alternative is a dialogue system which requires other skills (mostly combat-oriented ones) to unlock any depth. >I meant that the murderer's house simply being open for you to explore makes no sense This is entirely irrelevant to the point. You could write an explanation for that regardless of the dialogue system.>It's not at all a lame excuse, like I said the exact case you provided gives just as much justification for my chef character as it does yours.That's fine. You can wish for TES VI to have cooking as an additional way to finish the game, but dialogue is much more realistic and plausible given the fact that like I said, TES already has dialogue as a core mechanic in the gameplay loop.
>>564027156>Not at all, you get given the quest by a bunch of lumberjacks working a mill.after you survive the dragon attack, you left that part out.>So is everyone else.quite literally is not everyone else, including the exact 2 people you referenced. >Nazeem is actually important for Whiterun's economy, since he owns their farms IIRC.I'm sure he's very wealthy, that doesn't translate into an ability to do the things that the player character does in the game.It seems like you have a problem with the game having any kind of established narrative at all. What exactly would you prefer, that you start as a random nameless villager with no ability to do anything except toil in the fields that you rise above by performing menial tasks? I don't think you could ever make a convincing argument that it's somehow a flaw that the game has a narrative vs being entirely freeform.>Because the dragonborn doesn't just kill one or two bandits, he enters their hideouts and goes full Conan on their asses.Which amounts to 10-15 bandits at most. And is also a task that is assigned to new members of the companions implying that it isn't an insurmountable task for a decently skilled mercenary. >Everyone in Skyrim has a perfect hold on English, guess the dialogue system needed some abstraction after all.Literate does not involve speaking ability, anon. Your average agrarian laborer is not going to be a master of rhetoric just like he wouldn't be a legendary warrior. You're tying yourself in knots here.>You get trapped in dialogue with bandits out on the roads regardless, they always announce themselves like "SEPTIMS OR YOUR LIFE" or whatever.And if you end that encounter in any way other than being robbed by them you are doing something that any of the random peasant characters you referenced would never be able to do.
