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>Marathon Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@MarathonTheGame

>Game Info:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3065800/Marathon/

>Marathon Game Home Page
https://www.marathonthegame.com/

>The Entire History of Marathon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7uN6-lNhk
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

>Play the Original Marathon for Free
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2398450/Classic_Marathon/

Databases:
https://tauceti.world/
https://tauceti.gg/
https://marathonmeta.gg/
https://marathondb.gg/

News:
>Mid-Season Update
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/marathon_update_106
>SEASONS & ROADMAP
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/introducing_seasons_marathon
>Introducing C.A.R.R.I.
https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/introducing_carri

Previous run: >>563873960
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dead game lmao
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>>564075619
alive game
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will we crack 25k today? lets wait and see.
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Life-Death Equation Game
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>>564075907
raping/raped equation game
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Quantum immortality game
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Seething discord fag edition
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Spiral of a Broken Psyche by YuriVampire updated. Best fanfic on AO3 so far.
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>>564075619
Hate game
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>>564075898
Next update is releasing more content that's limited to discord tranny premades only. Solos not welcome.
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Playercount thermodynamics game.
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>have to farm reclaimed biostripping again
>Hauler and Algae Ponds are both perpetual murderdomes
pain
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Is it just me or is destroyer's super sprint faster if you're holding an LMG
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>>564076837
Same, I've been trying to get the max heat and agility which requires piles of biomass and gunmetal and surveillance lens type junk. Assassin and thief really shine in this scenario. Free kit, loot as you go, nothing lost, launch another one if you die. Runners show up, insert myself amongst the bots as cover, wait until they engage and knife em from behind. A lot of people can't stealth easily.
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this general's theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UJzMmGjh4Q
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>>564076837
I always have pretty good luck with hauler honestly, I don't know why but I rarely end up encountering people there.
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>no solo cryo
i've turned on these cunts, fuck bungie. i hope they go under
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Just found out placed claymores have a lifetime of like 10 minutes
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>>564077789
I hate feeling railroaded into playing one or two of the meta shells but you might be right. I was trying to Rook it out but I think everyone knows how much of a bitch it is to farm, so it's almost always gone by the time I spawn in unless I get lucky with a weapons locker.
Maybe the radiant NuCal quests will grant it as a reward. I wish you could barter lesser gray salvage for green salvage, too.
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>>564078150
Yesterday I found out that one an exfil is up it won't stay up forever. Which sucks because we got gunned down after learning that.
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Significantly smoother experience in cryo this weekend as a fill player, think I had more exfils than deaths and went 4/5 this morning. Didn’t see a single compiler gun team or even a gold shield, maybe they did tweak matchmaking
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>>564077902
My man. I haven't heard the Quake soundtrack or played that game in way too long
My favorite track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2M1PwrhVfo
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>>564078245
Its the best equipment for the situation. Meta or not your only crippling yourself by avoiding it. I like being unorthodox too but its not always viable. Recon seems viable for this too, just more gun and gear dependant because no cloak or grapple hook.
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>>564078816
Agreed. That's the best track.
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>>564076837
those are the places where retards go to die
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>>564078245
I've been playing nothing but Thief since I started and I don't regret it
Loot highlighting, grapplehook and drone are just stupidly good for solo freekitting, if it wasn't for how rare backpacks and shields are I'd probably never bring anything but the free kit
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>>564077015
You just feel comparatively faster because lmg's slow you down
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Raped game.
Raped thread.
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>>564078897
You're right but I'm still going to bitch about it. Once I enjoy a build I get pretty attached and too autismo to switch it up. That being said Recon seems promising now that she's been reworked; at some point I did want to go all in on an Arachne player hunter LARP

>>564080012
I tried Thief at first and landed on Vandal because I like having double jump on demand and being able to superslide away from turrets in the overworld. I will admit that Thief is probably the best all around shell in the game, though.
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People never expect a quiet destroyer
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This weekend was the first time my trio actually tried to farm Cryo and we did pretty well, but someone please explain what the hell is going on if you spawn in Preservation? Every time we spawned there within minutes we would have 2 if not 3 teams waiting outside our 2nd room or pushing into it from some other access we couldn't figure out. It actually worked out in our favor half the time as they would fight each other and we would easily clean up the scraps. Is there some strat to push straight into preservation at the start of the round for some reason? And how was that team getting into our zone with no front access door being opened?
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>>564081872
Spawn pushing is a problem in Cryo in general. You're almost expected to wipe 2 or 3 squads if you actually want to make it to Compiler.
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What went wrong with the carri event that was supposed to save the game?
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>>564082434
It stopped you from jerking yourself off refreshing steamdb every 2 hours. So I'd say it was a success in that regard.
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How do you even learn cyro, the surface area of the map is fucking insane, it's massive.
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>>564082434
>getting mogged by hunt of all games
KWAB
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>>564083438
>losing out to gray zone
KWAB
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>>564076837
Green back pack and a v11 time
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>>564082434
It helped you jerk off faster to steamdb. So that went well. Make sure you use lotion to avoid friction marks.
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>>564083458
It's not really that big, just feels like it because all of the rooms are small
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>>564081569
>tried Thief at first and landed on Vandal because I like having double jump on demand and being able to superslide
Same, man, same. Except I tried recon in between as well.
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>>564083725
>v11

Is this a meme or am I missing something?
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>>564069205
>>564084327
braindead moutbreathing retards
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What the fuck is eccentric salvage
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>>564084914
its what happens when a white boy gets a lil motion
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>>564085001
sheeeeeit okay but apparently it just means purple and up salvage so this random NuCaloric mission can suck my nards
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>>564084914
The Blue rods that drop off of UESC are the most common ones but they're still pretty rare
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>>564084327
>or am I missing something
Aim apparently
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>>564084327
It's the best pistol in the fucking game and basically has 0 recoil.
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Hamish Sinclair hasn't made a single post about nuMarathon since the day of its release, 45 days ago. What's up with that? There's surely gotta be some data entries to talk about
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Guys, I can't rape anyone anymore, I'm the one getting raped. I think this is it for me...
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>>564087035
literally who
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>>564087035
Why should he?
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>>564088212
because I want to read from him
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>>564088330
He has public-facing email. Send him an email if you're so scared about his lack of updates.
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Life or death for Rookboy?
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I still maintain that a solo PvE focus is the only way to make sure Marathon lives long term, even if the PvE is shallow right now because the only enemies right now are UESC bots. For a shitter like me it’s not fun to know that progression is reliant on not getting killed by a purple shield player camping at the exfil
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>>564088595
Life.

>>564088798
In my 85 hours, I've gotten killed at exfil less than 10 times. I'd even say less than 5, but I'm not sure.
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>>564088970
>85 hours, I've gotten killed at exfil less than 10 times
But if you're having a fun time, where's the incentive to go tell other people that?
>I had fun today
has less reactions that
>I shit myself screaming today
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>>564088970
Rookboy died on the way to his home planet.
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>>564089195
>But if you're having a fun time, where's the incentive to go tell other people that?
I like sharing my fun times with others. That's why I post gameplay clips in this thread, or take photos/videos of cool things I see IRL. For example, I saw a hedgehog a few days ago.
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>>564088798
They have other enemies they could add from the original game. Still don't know why they haven't yet. Bungie always seems to be the most incapable AAA developer. Or they're only drip feeding shit because live service
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>>564089465
rrat
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>>564089731
>Still don't know why they haven't yet.
They are obviously saving that for later, just like Cryo wasn't released on release.
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>>564089465
>Sonic in the wild
You from the UK?
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>>564089885
South-western Russia.
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Found a unique volley rifle in a secure container on Perimeter
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>>564087035
I'm sure he'll post when he has something of import to say. The man knows Marathon lore deeper than anyone else and I'm sure he's cross referencing and digging through his own documentation to find the pieces that are missing from this story, how it ties to the original Marathon games, and what to take from it going forward. He's probably enjoying going through the ARG data, all the codex entries, etc.

Either that or he's stuffed out that they're retconning tons of shit we don't even know about and his life's work is in shambles so he's considering never posting again.
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>>564090369
The latter
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>>564090124
what's actually unique about it? i haven't seen one of those yet
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>>564090547
It says UNIQUE UNIQUE UNIQUE in the background.
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>Co-evolution 4/5
>finally find cardio kick
>finally safely make it to Bio, then to Quarantine
>region markers I have to clear are spread out across the whole map
>three minutes left
What the fuck is Bungie's problem?
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>>564089465
Me skirting around the edges of Dire Marsh, trying to avoid showing up on thermal...
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the player count is low today
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>play elden ring
>70 hours start to finish
>full experience
>end feeling satisfied
>play marathon
>? hours start to ?
>havent unlocked purple shields after 100 hours
>feel irritated whenever i'm not playing
>no one sees any problem here
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Cryo just has too much to effectively map. I don't even have the DNA sequencer shit yet, and vaults aren't on the map (and massively overlap other map areas, which is already a problem with the west side of the map)
Also half this shit needs a paragraph of explanation. At least autisming this together helped me get a better grasp on layout/where shit can be.
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>>564090547
They tend to have somewhat higher baseline stats and a completely blue line of weapon mods. Warmonger is practically a 55m range chargeable shotgun now that the railgun buffs came along, can't really count how many times i've been blasted by it so far...
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>>564091434
RUN NIGGA RUN
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>>564091434
The cardio kick makes you run faster. Also helps when you have unlocked them in the armory
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>>564091842
the player count is low every day
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>>564092949
It is getting lower every day I might even add
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>>564090547
From what I can see it just seems to lock the gun mods to make it an archetype or something. This one was called the victory lap, the mods are pretty solid.
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Just ran into a vandal with invis

??????
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>>564093453
Ones i've found so far:
>Conquest LMG built like a fucking brick and weighs a ton so you're slow as shit. In return: Massive mag, ridiculously fast ramp up.
>Overrun with slightly higher RPM and mag along with laser ergonomics.
>Warmonger. Hip-fire Ares. It's almost like a shotgun that fires up to 55m
>Hardline unique that has the ergonomics and weight of a Stryder, but low zoom optic.
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I found my first Cryo Archive key today.
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>>564090369
We all know it's the latter anon. It's why all the greybeards were pissed at bungie to begin with
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>>564092046
>70 hours start to finish
Nigga, it's 150 hours
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>>564093982
Mini jammer or a chip mod that turns your invisible on kill or something. I've noticed myself turn invisible sometimes but I can't be bothered to read what my chips do. I just grab the next higher color each time
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>>564094246
Hope you're excited to donate it, and your loadout to someone else
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>>564093982
multiple core effects that grant invis, vandal especially benefits from sprint>slide>invis, whatever its called

>>564094628
mini jammer only gives signal jammer
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>>564094628
>but I can't be bothered to read what my chips do. I just grab the next higher color each time

That is one glaring flaw of marathon that nobody seems to point out. 'Buildcrafting' is hardly worth the effort and for most people it boils down to grabbing whatever's the highest rarity.

Not to mention how easy it is to lose a build you spent a while thinking about, and you'd be unable to make the build again because you can never guarantee you're gonna get the specific implants mods and cores you need for it.
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I wish my favorite game was as dead as this so I could get bored of playing it
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>>564094021
>Hip-fire Ares. It's almost like a shotgun that fires up to 55m
Are the regular ones decent after the update? Might give them a go now
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>>564095409
Yeah that's my fault for not reading. My buddy last night kept firing his wstr everytime we loaded in and I asked him if his finger slipped and he told me about the chip that gives extra bullets on an empty reload turning the wstr into a 3 barrel. He have me an extra chip and I was surprised to find out it was only green rarity
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>>564095535
You can hold the charge and the charge was turned faster on the Ares. Zeus has a bit longer range with a proper generator in comparison. It's great for popping someone to really low health or killing someone who got scraped from a pretty comfortable range. On certain maps, i'm honestly more terrified of Warmonger/Ares than most snipers.
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>>564096356
I'm assuming your can ADS in and out while holding a charge?
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>>564092121
Fantastic image, anon. Next time I see you in game, I won't skin you.

Thanks, downloaded.
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Can I play this game if I'm a biological female?
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>>564097180
You can do anything, you can even vote!
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Not even 30 seconds in and I'm raped by a sniper
I hate bungie
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Hate Bungie
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>>564097707
>Outlands available from CARRI event armory refresh.
>Head to Station and sit on ultimate and snipe people.
I regret nothing.
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R*pe Bungie
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I thought the CARRI event was supposed to save this game
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We've stabilized at XXXX
We won
Chuds lost
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quick melee is useless they should change it to a parry
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>>564097180
Leftist men(troons) only, sorry.
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Escape will make me chud
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>>564098320
>clumsily patching in a row of items and a currency to the armory was supposed to save the game
lolololololololololololololololol
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SUB 20K NEXT WEEK BOYS
LET'S FUCKING GO!!!
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>>564088798
Use the guarded exfils. I just hide and use the bots as cover. Wait until the ten second mark and sprint in, even of they down you its guaranteed exfil. The bots basically guard it for you.
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how do anons find consistent groups? i am tired of randoms and not in any friend groups with people who want to play.
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>>564088798
Bungie shouldn't have any problems making more PvE enemies. They can draw from plenty of Destiny stuff.
UESC Troops are already a blend of Fallen, Vex and Cabal. They even brought back the Cabal shield bash, together with its D1 physics (though toned down).
Just dissect every enemy faction and every enemy unit from Destiny and recycle them into Marathon PvE enemies.
This could even work for raid bosses.

And while they're at it, more maps in more biomes would be nice. It would be a waste to have an entire earth-like planet reduced to three maps.
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>>564099854
There are plenty of lfg discord servers
Raiding with randos is a nightmare
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>>564100719
Where did you find this picture of me
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>>564090124
that one must always spawn there in that event, because i got one of those too. i ended up losing it quickly though. i like the br33 a lot, when it was on carri rotation i bought a bunch of them. but it benefits greatly from an optic
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>>564100719
Bungie
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>>564099442
hey theres two rows of items
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sponsored marsh is zero fun with cyberkits
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>>564101356
the overrun is actually dangerous once you can handle its recoil
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I really hope they can fix this game before a paid expansion or Marathon 2.
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>>564099442
You left out the incentive to be kinder to your enemies and not be the douche duo that won't help your 3rd wheel with their contracts but we're all just a bunch of assholes to do that anyway.
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>>564099439
WILL NO ONE COMMENT ON MY ACHIEVEMENT?
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>>564099854
If you happen to meet some teammates in a random fill that sync well with you, you can just add them afterwards.
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>564099439
Faggot
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>>564104262
Congrats anon.
Will you come back and play more?
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>>564092121
Oh yeah. dats the GOOD autism. Wish you the best on your hyper-fixation.
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bronze 2 reporting in
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>>564104190
I wonder what happened in the beta-testing when they realized Runners in a trio could have Contracts which basically made them antaognistic with each other? Did they just ignore it?
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>>564106294
They ignored any negative feedback or anything that suggested any sort of change. It's a miracle we even got solo play and proximity chat.
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>>564030195
>>564030490
I mean maximum chinese. The language barrier. The "nobody gets to extract but us" 5 man teams.
The blatant designated cheater on said team. Ect, ect

and matchmaking pool is small enough that you will get it up the ass more than once from the same team in a game session..
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Thoughts on Retaliator LMG? A friend was telling me its a gun that loses every fight because it just doesn't do real damage.
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>play solo
>feel like I’m playing something unique and atmospheric
>play trio
>feel like I’m playing bad apex
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lost my brrt smg. Au revoir, brrt
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>>564109008
How do you like it compared to the bully and copper?
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>>564110259
probably slightly worse but i like how it looks
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>>564108232
You need to be hitting heads but it's more of a "I stand back here and fire it down a hallway and if you're dumb enough to peek out too far I'll tear you to shreds" kind of gun. That doesn't mean you can't flank and do damage with it though.
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>>564110259
Get some time with it, the things fun. Limited mag size means you want mods that return ammo to the mag. Designed to be hipfired, it reminds me of my Hunk days on RE4, rocking the TMP. Man, this game needs laser pointers though... (never happen)
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>>564110581
I got 3 Copper head schemas I should probably just use. Even as greys
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>>564110636
I have a bad habit of always ADSing even when I should be hip firing. Can you still get head shots hip firing?
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>>564082062
You're expected to clear EVERYONE if you want compiler.

>>564088798
Making pve interesting in and of itself would be so fucking expensive, that they 're better off making a new game. The entire fucking point of this game is the PVP.

>>564090369
You know the answer to this one already anon.
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>>564111035
Yeah but you need to wrangle the bucking or you're shooting for the rafters after two sprays.
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>>564110757
copperhead is quite good imo, throw some mods on it and ur set
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>>564104262
I don't think there's anyone here left but the baker, the dude who's obsessed with rape, and the one other dude who isn't you.
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>>564106294
They knew about it. And did JACK SHIT.
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>>564111621
>the dude who's obsessed with rape
That's at least 3 of us.
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>>564111621
>obsessed with rape
I mean this is the rape genre of shooters, it's not an obsession it's just a fact
Years of people thinking "but what if I could murder defenseless people with my overwhelming advantage to jerk me off for playing more?" lead to this entire genre
it's rape all the way down
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>>564111240
>You're expected to clear EVERYONE if you want compiler.
not true. I've heard people start compiler after clearing 1 or 2 teams and that's basically a sign we get free reign of the rest of cryo while the people upstairs are tied with compiler. unless you can go up and fuck with a team already fighting compiler i wouldn't even bother going up.
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Bungie and rape go hand in hand
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>>564112630
If you leave teams alive you're asking to get third partied at a stupid time and you don't want to rush Compiler ASAP or you get dogshit loot
Everyone knows where you are and can immediately come shank you, it's just a neon rape sign
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>>564099854
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Hopesisses, don't look
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>>564112825
>19,346 players right now
owari da
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>>564112781
after you beat the compiler you get your own special exfil.
>dogshit loot
is there some confirmed timer in all the maps that give you better loot the later the game goes on? a friend of mine last night on outpost said to save the 3 red key room for as long as possible because he said there were more chances of golds spawning.
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>>564113395
compiler loot is tied to security level is what I've heard, if you don't get it up high enough you get bad loot
Don't know anything concrete though
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>>564082434
wild how maratroon made hunt alive again
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>playing skate.
>they release the tutorial map that everyone has been requesting
>it's the tutorial map but at night
Kinda excited to see Dire marsh at night now.
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>>564113395
No that's totally fabricated.

I don't know where it came from but there were people and articles saying "the loot get better the longer you stay in the raid" but what they actually meant was "reinforcements with commanders and world events happen later in the raid which have better looting opportunities"

Containers definitely don't work like that which you can trivially verify with Thief visor
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>>564081872
referencing >>564092121 and I removed all the icons n shit other than vents/ladders
I circled the relevant passages.
Preservation and Biostock are unique in that you can enter them with only clearance 1 via a ladder and vent from unsecured Control areas on the eastern side. These vents exit into the bottom floor in clearance 1 areas of Preservation/Biostock (the tall rooms with catwalk stairs on the walls leading out to Control floor 3).
This is unique to Preservation/Biostock because the outer doors of the Clearance 1 areas have double sided clearance - they only require clearance 1 to open from inside, but require Clearance 2 to open from the outside. The interior clearance 1 doors are not like that though, so this vent allows access directly into spawn with clearance 1, so people spawning anywhere else can just rush past bots, find the (I believe) guaranteed security monitor in the second room of their spawn area, then run across Control and invade within the first two minutes.
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>Recon is a scout specialist
No. Recon is predator to all.
Friend to none, prey to none.

But Recon can't bypass UESC for free, it's easier to sneak up on runners with the Assassin shell so I'm tempted to switch shells again.
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>>564113686
>which you can trivially verify with Thief visor
i stopped playing thief to try out recon and vandal. guess i'll hop back on the thief train for my outpost runs.
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>>564113571
WTF I wanna hug Nona
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>>564114324
outpost thief is amazing, so many drone shenanigans + lightspeed looting and the grapple hook is at its strongest for movement and mobility there
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>>564113686
>Containers definitely don't work like that which you can trivially verify with Thief visor
the only possible exception is locked rooms (this does not include the keycard rooms in Outpost, just ones that require bringing a key in) - all the containers in them are white to the Thief's visor until a key is used. Granted I still think that the 'the loot is better later in a run' thing is bullshit, but at least with those there's some room for ambiguity.
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>>564113571
she looks like my mother
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15k peak soon
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>>564114565
I think they're probably on the spot RNG when the key's used
The only semi-reputable thing I've heard is that low security rushes yield bad rewards on Cryo
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>>564114379
alright you can hug her but first you have to inject this swamp mud, run an actual marathon, impregnate a woman with your swamp mud buff active to produce a swamp mud progeny then rob three banks.
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>>564114935
>in a single run
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Too many good games this spring.
Will be interesting to see, how Marathon will evolve this fall.
From September 15 to December, it's gonna be Insomniac Wolverine+Marathon+GTA VI(6), and Modern Warfare IV(4 new gen).
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>>564115381
Cattle-brained retard lol
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What went wrong?
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>>564115381
I want to fuck Diana bruv
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When are they fixing spawns Jesus fucking Christ I got killed 30 seconds into a match
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>>564116031
>Xhe didn't immediately run to the right or left upon spawning
Grim
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Marathon is getting Wolverine skins/charms/color swaps, both are Sony games.
>White spider logo on Recon's thigh
Just like Sony Insomniac spider logo.

SNIKT
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>>564116101
I did run to the left, some bitch spawned in that far data wall by south r
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>Sonybros own the best FPS extraction shooter
>Sonybros own the best action games
>Sonybros own Xbox Game Studios
>Sonybros selling more consoles than Switch Two
BWAAHAAHAH HAHAAHH EEEUUUheheheh. Yeaaah
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>>564116169
I'm slow burning Pragmata. Just got the third and almost all the way forth boss done. Some of those VR missions are sweaty, but that's capcom's specialty.
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>>564075508
is the game gonna get a sale anytime soon?
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>>564116773
It's been on a 25% discount since launch
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>>564116773
it's 40 bucks, 30 on some sites
I wouldn't bank on anything more for a while, probably a free weekend on S2
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>>564116773
Marathon will be on PS Plus and Game Pass this summer, and probably 40% off.
No free to play.
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>>564117079
This looks so fucking bad
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>>564117079
>and Game Pass this summer
retard alert
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>>564117159
It will sell more than Arc raiders, while being at a higher price
>>564117234
Trust the plan, Arthur. Have some faith.
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>>564108232
it's better than the overrun ar in most situations. it's the best budget option for a light round fueled primary that's readily available probably.
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>>564109008
there's a schema for it in the battlepass then you can have 5 of them. they cost 2.5k. maybe it's 3 and not 5 but i think it's 5
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Marathon's DLC money is coming from this game.
>Rapes the Switch
>Creampies Xbox studios
>Ignores Steam, no port

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-04/sony-pulls-back-from-playstation-games-on-pc
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>>564090124
well post the stats page dumbass
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>>564115240
>then exfil
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>>564117521
Even Spider-Man 2 was a fucking flop. Wolverine will do significantly worse.
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>>564117607
Shitters say SM2 was a flop, because Peter Parker got beat up by an army of symbiotes, and then got hit with a fridge.
SM2 sold over 16(sixteen) million
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>>564117823
All of the DLC got cancelled and so did the multiplayer live service slop game, it was a massive flop.
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>>564117971
It sold more than 99.9% of video games on the market. And it has a higher completion percentage, than Red Dead two. Most RDR2 players didn't finish the game, while most SM2 did play it to the end. Because it was so good.
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>Marathon wokeslop "artsy" consumers dislike Sony's other wokeslop.
Strange!
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>>564118430
And yet it still flopped because Sony and Insomniac don't know how to manage money. If SM2 was a success, the DLC wouldn't have been shitcanned. SM2 was not profitable, retard.
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I've come to realize that... we're just 4 (four) very dedicated posters that keep this general alive

Much like /domg/
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In the end...
We are not able to match Marathon's videogamey, brutal gameplay quality.
We will port everything to the Ps5, while pissing on Phil Spencer's grave.
We will sit in the corner, and watch sonybros enjoy Wolverine.
ITT we kneel to the sonybro and PS Plus
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>>564119116
PS5 makes up like 5% of Marathon players
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>>564118904
>I've come to realize that
We're much stronger than the unhealthy, broken shemales, and Alisaposter, who got filtered and cried like a woman.
Stand proud. Trust the plan.
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>>564119116
kneel accepted
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>>564119376
You did get your boosters, right?
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only 2 more days until that fucking dogpiss lowskill cancer gun gets removed from the game
>muh bubble + wstr fight
>muh "oh you cracked me? well, I am going to run away and hold this close angle with my wurster and obliterate you the second you push!"
EVERY-SINGLE-TIME
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They really should have just followed the Barrett-cut. Owning the chuds clearly wasn't worth it.
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>>564119460
Booster? You mean a Cronus with reverse-boosting script, for getting into Arc's friendly lobbies and killing them every day? Yes, ofcourse I reverse boost when there's ABMM, SBMM, or EOMM.

https://51sector.com/products/pc-reverse-boost-script-lower-sbmm

https://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/call-of-duty-black-ops-6-a/674235-simple-afk-reverse-boosting-bot.html

https://51sector.com/products/cronus-reverse-boost-script-lower-sbmm
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Why couldn't Marathon do this?
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>>564120117
Windrose looks like a Sony movie game, and it's PvE(no tryhard players stomping you).
A game like that is easier to sell, than a weird-looking, high skill ceiling, punishing game.
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>>564120340
>Marathon
>High skill ceiling
Time wasted != skill
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Why yes, I will call Sony products movie games, just to defend Marathon, while being a snoy.
What can I say, I'm not a good person. I'm a spiteful, subhuman exfil camper ;-)
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>>564120436
>Time wasted != skill
Your time wasted, because your not good enough to continuously win. I win all the time in free kit playlist and solo. By all the time I mean like 7 or 8 out of 10 matches.
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>>564119661
arachne going to be so useless after this
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>>564120602
Yeah wow I wonder why this game is fucking dead then, faggot.
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I think I just replied to Alisaposter, he gave himself away by posting some celeb roasty. I see you in stealth mode, filtered boy.
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>>564120725
Silly filtered boy, relax. Daddy's not gonna make fun of you anymore.
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Remember how the gay shemales called this game "Mentally draining"?
Now that was funny.
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>>564120619
gunshield retaliator can still bridge the shield gap when you catch an unsuspecting victim "off guard" aka force a straight 1v1 gunfight. ive been using the green arachne sponsored kit to great success, just play super aggressive. unfortunately you just dont get a gunshield sometimes.
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Got my second VIP rank with NuCal, honestly it might be easier solo just to farm out contracts for the roll on getting a Biolens seed than trying to hit specific POIs.
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>3 different avatarfags itt

Hoo boy
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/mg/ - The Raped/Schizophrenic General
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>>564098194
Cute Thief
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>>564121356
That's a small sized amount of avatarfags for a general I'd say?
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>>564121241
I guess
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>>564121754
I'm still playing it and winning
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>>564121909
What did you win?
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>>564121318
I've gotten all my current biolens from leveling up past vip
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>>564121750
I mean I wouldn't want to have a double helping of eceleb posters and an RL posting faggot
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>>564121754
>projected trend already wrong
lol
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>>564121356
and 2 bitter destiny chuds nonstop muh playercount posting.
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>>564122030
How can the projected trend be wrong when it hasn't happened?
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Video games are so good right now.
You have a challenging, unfiltered, no SBMM masterpiece, Marathon.
A couple of fresh Capcom games.
Mature wolverine game coming.
New beach map for Arc.
We're so lucky to have all this. Remember early Xbox One and Ps4 years? Now that was dogshit, even for Steam.
All we played was the Witcher and Bloodborne.
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>>564121939
>What did you win?
I won the fights for cancelling someone's exfils. This weekend I killed like 20, maybe 25 runners who were 2(TWO) seconds away from exfilling. They wanted to escape, they desired to exfil, I tried to stop them. And won.
I lost like 7, maybe 9 times out of 40.
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WE ARE SO BACK
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>>564092046
FROMslop really is the Skyrim for zoomers huh, just the baseline point of comparison.
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>>564122291
marathon is a bad low skill game
want challenging? play faceit
or play apex ranked
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>>564122821
>marathon is a bad low skill game
then why are so many casuals crying about how its too hard?
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>>564122446
FUAAAARK
DOOMBROS DID WE LOSE?
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>>564122915
because of the bell curves n shid maaan.
most people are bad
however mechanical skill is very unimportant in this game, even in tarkov your aiming matters more than in this.
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>>564122291
>capcom
Pedobro?
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>>564122821
>marathon is a bad low skill game
You can beat any item, using common items, sound, and the map itself.
You have agency in Marathon. It's a very skill based game. I remember Al*sa guy being interested in it, too bad his happiness faded away.

What video gamer man accepts defeat and switches to fake matchmaking, like Marvel Rivals? No man, no man at all.
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>>564123209
aiming is very rarely the most important skill in any FPS unless it's like Tribes or Titanfall, even then it's still not the most important skill but truly in most FPS it's all map knowledge and positioning, shoot first in the proper place and dictate the engagement is so much more important than being an aimgod
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>>564120340
They did anon, did you miss the official announcement?
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>>564123209
>>564122915
the type of bullshit deaths that average joe gamer experiences are very different than sweatlord jim tries to be king of the corpse pile in ranked/cryo. Average joe complains about invis rats with free wstrs, sweatlord jim complains about thermal snipers and purple wstrs.

nothing exactly profound here, but two different conversations
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Is the concept of an extraction shooter just naturally difficult for most people? Tarkov and Marathon sit at similar numbers whereas Arc Raiders is higher but is it higher because its easier? I would say the same issue plagues Arena Shooters and even fighting games. What is it about naturally hard games that people just don't like? Street fighter suffers the same issue.
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>>564123582
meant for
>>564120117
also marathon sucks lmao fucking rekt
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>>564082434
Does Helldivers have loot
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>>564123659
Fighting games would be better off if Slop Fighter wasn't astroturfed to be the face of the. Crapcom's shilling puts the worst game at the forefront, and it's no wonder no one wants to get into the genre.
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>>564123659
Looking at Tarkov numbers on steam is perhaps even dumber than paying $3.2 billion dollars for bungie. You are participating in a marathon general though so I'm not really surprised
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Real matchmaking is about connection. Ping is king.
Skill based matchmaking, or engagement optimized matchmaking, calculates player stats first, ping and connection are second(or third).
>How many kills player gets on average
>How aggressive the player is per match
>How much the player dies
>How fast and how much score a player generates
Calculating all this, to put you in weaker lobbies. That's a rigged, fake game.
Marathon has real, clean matchmaking, that is rumored to be "level based", however, level doesn't reflect skill much. You could be an average player at lvl 120 and play with a bunch of average lvl 90-130 dudes. Or face super tryhards, because most of the average dudes got stomped out before reaching lvl 100.
This doesn't make matchmaking as fake, as the other games, like Arc, Rivals, Warzone.
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>>564123659
Because people don't like being challenged they want to have the prestige of doing something without the effort. It's why Arc has ABMM and why everyone just gets put into PvE lobbies.
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>>564124040
yeah sbmm is cheeks
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>>564120117
Sell a million copies? I'm pretty sure it hit at least that
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>>564124131
>It's why Arc has ABMM and why everyone just gets put into PvE lobbies.
Switch ABMM off for one week(7 days). Arc
s daily active players will get raped down to Marathon's numbers.
They have strict aggression matchmaking, and a small number of reverse boosting PvPers is making them bitch and moan all day long.
Imagine if all PvPers got into the mix.
In just 7 days the Arc reddit would be sodomized beyond repair.
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I want to fuck the colony's psychological and emotional support AI; Joy
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>people only ever talk about sweats and casuals
>never about mid players
Why is that? I feel like there is a large group of players who are just mid at the game. Not casual weakling tier but not super sweaty either. Like for me, I hold my own but I wouldn't say I am a sweat. I don't typically only use meta things or play meta builds etc. I just play what I like. I die a lot but I get quite a few kills too. I'd say my extraction rate is slightly above average. My vault is full regularly and I have to do aggressive shit to maybe bleed it out.
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Brb I'm gonna check if there's any decent Marathon fanfiction
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>>564124507
>Why is that? I feel like there is a large group of players who are just mid at the game.
Those probably don't bitch and moan, so when they post, people either think they're a sweat, or a casual.
Maybe most of them don't post on game related boards/forums. The passionate sweats and hurting losers are usually the ones flooding this shit.
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>>564124507
>why don’t people without problems complain? Why doesn’t anyone talk about people who don’t have problems?
anon?
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>>564124373
I think its interesting what arc raiders has done because it sort of segmented off the PvPers as being like weird troglodyte beings who were banished to another realm. Would sprinkling in a few PvP oriented players into the "PvE" lobbies fuck the ecosystem? Me personally, I like the blend of PvPvE elements that Marathon and Tarkov have. Having players whom you DO NOT KNOW their intention makes the games tension to me. In Arc Raiders, I feel like you would probably be able to tell when you are "safe" in a PvE lobby and that to me would ruin any immersive tension. Especially when encountering a player. When I see a player, my thought shouldn't be "Oh I bet this guy is friendly!" that seems weird to me. I like that Marathon isn't like that.
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Since day one of the beta, I said that I only camp exfil.
To this day, I do that 95% of the time. The only time I rush, is when I see players who aren't very good, so I can slide into them and jump around.
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>>564124310
They would have said if it did, Bungie always does.
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>Bungie, who often make virtue signaling blog posts about how they are against toxic behavior and in favor of speech policing
>Make a game in one of the most asshole-nurturing genres there is

Assuming Bungie survives long enough, them trying to do mental gymnastics by blending their policies with the lived reality of the genre, is gonna be an absolute riot
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>>564124972
>Would sprinkling in a few PvP oriented players into the "PvE" lobbies fuck the ecosystem?
Yes. The gamer dads chimpout like crazy if there's even 1 player doing PvP on the map, and threaten to uninstall the game. Not joking.
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>>564124819
You know when you put it like that... it makes me sound retarded. Delete that.
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>>564125042
Honestly it feels like this is their attempt to shake off the air of faggotry that permeates a lot of western dev groups. I hate to use this term because it gets used very loosely a lot but it's maybe the least pozzed modern game I've played in recent memory. There hasn't been a single thing that's pulled me out of feeling like I'm in the setting of the game when playing.
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>>564125272
You really do feel the exaggerated swagger of a black teen when playing Marathon
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>>564125536
kek
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I just watched the launch cinematic for the first time and it is literally "you get raped over and over welcome to dark souls lololol"
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Getting raped will make me God
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>>564125536
I use a nog skin to exfil camp in Arc friendly lobbies

https://streamable.com/ibrgt1
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>>564125969
I just realised something

Hitting a purple on Arc Raiders is harder than hitting a purple on Marathon

And hitting a gold on Marathon is harder than hitting a gold on Arc
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I don't play Arc without reverse boosting.
>Feel sleepy
>Set up script on Cronus
>Let the device play Arc while I sleep
>My character runs around dying, without damaging players
>Wake up
>Reverse boosted PvE lobbies are ready
Every time I'm back to friendly lobbies and exfil kill them.
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>yfw Marathon would have succeeded if they got TheFaithfulSheriff to promote the game instead of the TheBurntPeanut
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>find 4 data cards contract
>ezpz
>find 0 across three runs
What the fuck. Decided to bring the core that pings them and I get shotgunned to the face on first POI, it was my only one...
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>>564126415
and why is that?
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>>564126714
BurntPeanut isn't a Christian
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chart status?
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>>564126590
LOL
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>>564126841
Shut the fuck up, chud.
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>>564126912
sub 20k next week
the reaper is coming for bungie
once may 13th hits, it's over for them
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NuBungie was really good at hoodwinking Sony into buying them for over 3 billion under the promise that they are a legitimately talented studio that would consistently deliver viral games. In reality, they only have Destiny to their name, and it was a fluke. For 15 years, all they had to show after Halo was Destiny. They never ventured when they had the chance, the liberty and the funds to do so, and it has cost them.
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>>564104190
nobody did any of that shit, nobody cares about mercy kits or even bothers looting them
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I bring a mercy kit into solos and if I get into a good team fight or some retarded gets downed by bots I'll pick them up
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>>564127096
In solos I take them sometimes and have had them used on me/used them on others
I hear rooks use them on other rooks but idk I haven't rooked
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>>564127250
you're missing out, Rook is top fun
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>>564127079
>In reality, they only have Destiny to their name, and it was a fluke.
Destiny wasn't a fluke, most of the talent that made Halo as good as it was made it. They went scorched earth on nearly all of their talented devs from 2014-2016.
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>>564127232
*good fight
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>>564127315
I meant specifically Destiny 2, my bad
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>>564127372
That's fair, Destiny 2 was only good because of Vicarious Visions and the other Activision support studios
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>88k peak 1 month ago
bu...but...the duo qs....the new br mode....you guys saw the new skins we're selling? Cmon now, we gave you guys skins we were definitely no going to sell. Guy's pls we nerfed thermals, PLS WE MADE BUBBLE SHIELDS GOLD! PLS COME BACK, I SWEAR IT'S EPC! NU-BUNGO IS LIT PLS I DONT WANT THE NIPS TO ASSIMILATE US
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>>564104190
>You left out the incentive to be kinder to your enemies
>>564127096
>nobody did any of that shit, nobody cares about mercy kits or even bothers looting them
Incentive dude, have you even played the game? Since day one everyone is going mainly for kills.
We have the rattiest rats, and sweatiest sweats. Who do you think wants to be friendly, 50% of this game is Rise negroids listening to you crouch, 35% is premaids planing to gas you(nade you) and push you with shotguns. The 15% is the food, loud minority asking for casual modes.
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>>564127250
>>564127306
Rooks forming a gang and killing a squad is the funniest shit ever. It's like a pack of ugly bumbs raping a group of pretty girls
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>>564127463
see>>564076676
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>>564118561
>profitable
jew
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>>564127463
They really aren't behaving like a studio that knows they're in danger
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How would you fix marathon?
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>>564127909
Fire everyone at Bungie and shut the studio down for good.
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>>564127762
what can they do? It would obviously take them months to make a real changes, so instead they are "responsive" to the "community" by hyping up dogshit balance patches. The carri event was so half assed it makes me think it was planned to be something else that they pivoted away from in a panic
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downloading rn gonna play solo what am I in for?
I've put good hours into tarkov and a little less into arc raiders. How does the solo experience compare?
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>>564128129
Act like any other studio that can react within the week, like Pearl Abyss. They had half the budget for Crimson Desert and sold 5x the copies of the Marathon, by the way.
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ranked dire marsh is hysterically bad
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>>564128203
Just refund it now, thank me later.
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>>564128203
>How does the solo experience compare
it's awful
it's cock and ball torture
if you're going in solo, you're gonna have a bad time
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>>564127909
Go back and time, don't steal anyone's art, and put the aesthetic and lore into a PvE, Nightrein esq game instead
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>>564126865
It's no laughing matter, I could've finally maxed CyAc way earlier
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>>564128401
People memory-holed the art theft scandal
People also memory-holed that it wasn't Bungie's first, not even its second time doing that
The only thing we got out of that scandal was the art guy on that stream, trembling like a person with parkinsons and looking like he hadn't slept in a week
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>>564128550
waow
Do other factions give anything cool at max rank?
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this real?!!!!!
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>>564128791
yea idk why they implemented it now
I can't exfil at all
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I like that twitter is saying Marathon looked better in the alpha. The cel-shadedish look was much better and provided much better viability.
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>>564128968
got a comparison video?
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>>564124625
There wasn't :/
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>>564129164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZRGDZCl9pg
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>>564128319
is there hope for solo being not shit?
I don't care if its an uphill battle that makes it fun in its own way
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>>564128640
im pretty sure everyone memory-holed it because they addressed it by paying the troon for their art and then giving them a temp job to be credited in the game as well
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>>564129647
They didn't give them a temp job, they just paid them off and put their name in the credits. Plus nobody knows that even happened.
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>>564128203
ive got 130 hours and estimate 40% in trios, 10% rook, 50% solo. i am not the kind of person that wants bungie to simplify content so that solo queue is viable, but i know i am contributing to the stats that say more people want solo to be viable. solo is going to kick the shit out of you for tiny mistakes in both pve and pvp.

pve is mostly about avoiding bots and only taking fights against them when you are safe from pvp and in a good location to fight one bot at a time. the pve stuff that would reward good loot (lockdowns, pinwheel, etc.) will be you against an army of bots and rats.

pvp in solos, imo, goes one of two ways. 1. an honorable duel where you both know where eachother are and play cat n mouse. 2. there is an information mismatch (footsteps, bots, w/e) and one person was the better rat to burn the other down before they knew what happened. #1 is fun but rare, #2 is why every lob is 80% assassins only moving when they can panic invis and then tuck with a shotgun.

honestly, i do recommend the game even if you are a social pariah and never group, but if you only play solo then pvp scenario #2 will teach you to play slow and rat, which kills your enjoyment and doesnt let you build confidence in scenario #1.

best advice i can give is start and end every play session with a kamikaze rook run to remind yourself what real fun is like
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>>564129742
they wrote articles about it bro everyone knows, ask grok about it
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>>564129918
this doesn't sound that different to tarkov solos is the solo hate overhyped?
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I wish this game didn't suck so much dick
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This game would be so good if it didn't rape me
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>>564130420
i am a reasonable person who knows what game im playing and bungies intent, most solo crybabies are not and do not. that, and they are salty about not being able to solo queue cryo and earn the hate.
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>free kit dire marsh
>find a crew at algae ponds that hits TAD and activates the secure resource at the same time
>start shooting when they do, they start shooting back
>every single bot that spawns rushes our position and ignores the entire other crew as they continue to shoot at us, including a scout commander that spawned basically on top of the guy I had pinned down, instead of doing their normal 'anything is near me, time to overheat' attack
I love the bot AI it's the best
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>Marathon and Bungie died because they bet on the wrong Peanut vtuber
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>>564131489
Marathon is dying cause I lost all my best gear to an Assassin on Dire Marsh and I wasn't just gonna let that slide
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>mfw actually enjoying dire marsh sponsored
it's a nice map when you're not constantly having to hide from a lobby full of thermal snipers
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>>564128203
Solos are fine if you aren't a complete retard, as long as you aren't running around like a fat fuck stomping everywhere you'll be fine. Somethings you still can't control like getting sniped by some fag or getting spawn rushed. I exfil from I'd say 7 out of 10 of my solo runs.
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>>564131702
Instead it's turned into 'who got the lucky weapon locker/scout kill at Greenhouse that gave them a sniper rifle' show.
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>>564131860
Yeah, but that's still just one instead of a dozen
I encountered only a single sniper rifle in three runs
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>>564131948
True, I should have added on that that's tremendously better. Sometimes you're the lucky winner. I think the only thing I dislike about it is that dead spawns away from weapon lockers are well and truly fuckin dead. It's hard to turn a 'spawned southeast of AI Uplink' into fuckin anything.
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Snipers are still BROKEN AS FUCK! They need a massive nerf.
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>Massive update comes out
>Playercount drops
Bungie seems to be the only developer that knows how to do this
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>>564132636
Yeah chud and it will be even lower in a few hours god gabe should go to hell for this
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>Carri rep boxes don't refresh
But but but but it's supposed to be the mid seasons catch up!
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it's really about vault management
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It's really about the Marathon Content Vault
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I love and play Marathon more than most that I know, however this week has really burnt me out. Should things not improve Tuesday I feel I'm left with the painful decision to stop putting in as much playtime.

I understand there is a bug that is contributing to this, however I fear that Level-Based Matchmaking in combination with the Free Kit Queue is resulting in what feels like incredibly small player pools. Whether its Cryo or Marsh, I'm constantly matchmaking names I know. Things are no longer unpredictable, there isn't any more excitement to the unknown. Queue times are long and drawn out. Some players queuing in with pre-made teams.

I'm often faced with full end-game top teams repeatedly, regardless of if I'm loading in with Green reinforced shields for an eco run (I frequently use credits/armory builds), or a Gold loadout. I'm frequently running into familiar faces that b/c we can see its them (no streamer mode/anonymity), play differently or are all inclined to be friendly out of respect - I'm sure many players (myself included) play differently based on names they might see.

This is dismantling my enjoyment of high highs and low lows, and hindering the gameplay loop for me. I'm someone who doesn't burn out of what I love - and I've been having such a phenomenal time with the community. However its hard not to get exhausted and worn out with this experience, especially with some folks skewing my words back at me about it.

LMAO tryhard grinders and sweats really just blatantly admit they only have fun when punching down on greens and dont ever see another gold weapon in their lobby. Straight up embarrassing
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>>564131860
It's funny because I've never lost to the sniper team.
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>infil
>dude bro is intrigued by the grenade icon
>he asks how i got it and i explained that it's for quickly killing 2 simultaneously, one with a knife right after a grenade.
>starts calling me john wick for some reason
Ok?
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>>564134601
john wick is good at killing people
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>>564134409
arc has a damage based event coming on tuesday, maybe you can give that whirl
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>>564134409
screen cap of the reddit post this is copying from?
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>>564128749
I wanna say Traxus gave me a gold version of the x24 ammo pack. i could be wrong though.
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>>564134675
i guess i'm so used to dude bros insulting me that it felt back handed.
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>>564132636
>>Massive update comes out
No map, no gun, no operator. There was no update.
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>>564135141
Why would dude bros insult you, does your gamertag sound gay or something?
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>>564135141
i want to kiss this robot
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>>564126912
It's really weird that weekend peaked lower that Friday.
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>22k peak on sunday during american hours
yeah this shits cooked
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Shitters are calling the free-kit mode a "Massive update", just to say something about numbers.
You're so easy to see through.
How are you gonna cope with Bungie announcing a new AAA game, because the PS6(six) made them invincible.
>>564127762
>They really aren't behaving like a studio that knows they're in danger
They're not in danger. They exist for the next Playstation console, making a new AAA game.
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>>564135835
Thursday is basically Friday Friday is basically Saturday and Saturday is basically Sunday because of Cryo schedule.
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>>564135898
>AvP 2010
Okay I'll give you a based this one time.
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Marathon cooked Bungie
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Wish the game told you which valuables each faction liked.
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>>564128203
Unless you are really good at positioning and PvP shooting in general, I suggest treating solo like a horror game.
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>Cryo massive update incoming
*flops*
>Actually wasnt a big update guys

>Mid season massive update incoming
*flops*
>Actually wasnt a big update guys

COPE WILL MAKE ME GOD
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>>564136136
It's cool game, filtered many.>>564136301
>solo like a horror game.
Come on now, what are we, recruits? You sound like a, you know what, faggot.
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watch with me in a poorly converted clip as a vandal wearing 3 gold implants is hit by my claymore, self revives, then runs to the same doorway and hits the 2nd claymore
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>>564136356
You are raped.
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>>564132636
This happened because they didn't make the game into the genre that I wanted it to be. And then, after I let that slip, they made it have mechanics that I didn't want it to. So, it was doomed!
>>564136356
The game's first major update was an operation that was limited to the top percentiles. Anyone that may have picked up the game for it wouldn't have experienced it without at least 100 hours of experience and at least two similarly dedicated friends. Not very bright for a game that already failed to meet its launch expectations.
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>>564136356
>>Cryo massive update incoming
>*flops*
Lies again, Cryo release playercount increased, and then more people got filtered.
C__c_rd developer logo had no ability to go viral, the Studio was shut down.
Bungie logo has the ability to go viral, Sony will not get rid of them. Bungie is making a new game for PS6, and it could be called Desitny III.
Would be funny, if the third Destiny didn't release on Xbox. Sony can do that.
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>>564135361
>dude bro jocks his way into a 1v3
>have to fight a 2v3
>play conservatively because of the situation dude bro put us in
>end up losing a 1v3
>"Good job, donkey"
yeah. like it was my fault you saw a team, hit your assassin stealth and thought you could shroud it up.
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>>564136985
>>"Good job, donkey"
Your gamertag is donkey? That's cool as fuck, my nigguh hung like a donkey haha brrooooo
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>>564137096
it's not donkey. he was calling me an ass i suppose.
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>>564136928
March 14: 62 thousand
March 19: 49 thousand
March 20: 56 thousand
March 25: 39 thousand
There *was* a playerbump for sure... Of like 15%. But it doesn't seem to have helped the game in the long run.
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>>564137242
yeah its a flop that looks like a standard weekend bump and did nothing to stop the bleeding
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>>564137242
There was a playerbump, that got filtered, because Marathon is too hard for you. Yes.
Everyone knows that Marathon is for the best of the best, and the loud minority complains about it.
What else is new?
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>>564137483
>minority
minority implies a small number of people
considering more than half the people left thats a loud majority not minority
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>>564137483
>"Everyone knows that Marathon is for the best of the best"
>big bullet magnetism
>aim assist even on PC
>easy as shit recoil
lol no
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I hate this thing so fucking much. NuCaloric is absolute CBT to upgrade.
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can all of you worthless retards just stop existing in the same digital space as me at least if you aren't going to kill yourselves
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>>564137808
they're laying around all over pinwheel
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>>564137626
>considering more than half the people left thats a loud majority
Those who quit are doing something else, they're not typing paragraphs about getting raped. They have jobs and shit.
>>564137650
You would be winning if it was easy. You would like the game if you were winning. Because it feels so fucking good to kill on this game.
10 times better than CoD, Arc, anything. It's so satisfying.
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>>564137957
You don't seem to understand that the ease of aim in this game narrows the skill gap between noobs and pros. It's a good game, just not something that pros would like.
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>>564137957
>Those who quit are doing something else, they're not typing paragraphs about getting raped. They have jobs and shit.
the coped
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>They're calling the game easy, while losing and getting buttfucked
>They're calling last weeks patch an update, a massive one
You're so weak and tasteless, you don't even deserve to see the arm
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you are giga coping right now
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>>564137957
What are you doing all this coping for, exactly? Being good at something barely anyone does?
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just played against a chink that was spamming grenades infinite grenades
very epic bungo
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i hate team fill free kit shitters so much. just fucking play rook and gear up beforehand or something instead of fucking it up for everyone else
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>>564137483
>loud minority
Sure, bud. The silent majority of less than 20k poopsocks will totally save the game.
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>>564138324
>Saying the truth is coping
It's a difficult game, punishes imperfection. I'm not accepting the "easy aim assist" bait.
I rejected that. I have standards.
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>>564138450
Lost a 3v1 earlier to a Destroyer who threw like 9 chem grenades. We lost because we were shit, but also it was kinda funny that he had so many fuckin chem grenades.
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>>564138450
恨就恨游戏,别恨玩家
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>>564138560
I'd like to think he just kept finding them over and over again in arms lockers or something and was just as bewildered as you that he had so many
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>>564138518
>will totally save the game.
Didn't say anything about saying the game. i said the studio, Bungie, won't be killed, yet.
Because Bungie's logo has the ability to go viral, they're making a new game.
The other, c___rd studio, who's name you don't even remember, they got shot down. Bungie is not like them, Bungie matters to Sony.
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>>564138693
It was like 90 seconds into the run, we killed his two blue shield buds (and didn't look like complete dipshits doing it), I imagine he just brought in a shitload to dump from his vault. I know I've done that after burning through like 15 MIDA rank rewards in a row.
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Are the "Bungie dead" posters pretending to be stupid, or are they serious?
The studio's developing a whole new game right now, for the new console.
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>>564138542
>bait
it is fact
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>>564138969
The active playerbase is complaining about insta-kill weapons, the shotgun, sniper. And grenades/shields. Plus camping.
That's because the aim-assist doesn't matter. It's how you use it.
When aim-assist matters most, the best weapons are high fire rate, full auto, that you can spray continuously.
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>>564075508
>still no solo cryo
fuck bungie, they sold solo players a lemon
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CoD had an aim assist problem, MnK players were crying about getting assraped with full auto guns.
Marathon's version is not a problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcGz8OTeA-E
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ded gam
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Good game, with pretty lil Vandal girls to harass
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I hope arc shitters start shooting eachother on tuesday
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>>564140114
Nvm it doesn't start til next week
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>>564140114
I'll be there, after reverse boosting. i'll rape hundreds of gamer dads. And keep boosting back into "friendly" matchmaking lobbies.
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>>564140479
Does it even matter they just get put back into their carebear lobbies
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>>564139245
it still matters thats like saying youre king of retard mountain try playing a real skill based game like quake with no aim assist to hold your hand
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>>564112630
LOL. Just because your team doesn't have the gear or balls doesn't mean everyone else is like that. At higher levels, people are blocking all other exits and clearing all the teams out before starting the compiler fight.
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>>564116031
The entire design of the game is made to force conflict. It's working as designed. Be faster or be dead.
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Ive started to become a bit more aggressive in doing events in solos and I'm already getting way more exp
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>>564116773
I would absolutely bet on it. Sony has a lot of prestige tied up in this. They would absoutely try free weekends, sales, even p+ f2p before shutting this shit down or hitting critical pop levels. And some places are not getting some game modes available at some times as it is.
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>>564123209
>>564122915
The game is designed to favor and appeal to good team, high time investment, high planning, low fast twitch skill players.

None of the high twitch skill streamers give a singular fuck about it.

>>564123494
It also panders to a kind of egotisitical player that confuses high time investment with skill.
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>>564140590
>Does it even matter they just get put back into their carebear lobbies
It does. You get in their head, they'll think about getting "ratted" all day, every day. PvE fags hate seeing "number go down", they're gonna be worried about bringing expensive gear.
Waaah why rat in my lobby!? How??

Sometimes I'll say hi, how's it going, walk with them for 10 minutes, and if I'm left alone with one of them, that's when I sodomize them in the ass

https://www.reddit.com/r/ARC_Raiders/comments/1sq7ofn/antirat_items/
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There is ZERO incentive to cooperate ever in Marathon and until that gets fixed, the game will die.
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>>564141257
i mean it is funny
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>>564123550
Few games shit on skilled aim players like this one though. Even fucking overwatch is higher aim skill than this.

>>564123659
>Is the concept of an extraction shooter just naturally difficult for most people?
Yes.
> I would say the same issue plagues Arena Shooters and even fighting games.
No. It's worse here. You can and will lose progress in this game. Arena shooter, RTS, FIghting game just put you back to zero.

>>564126818
LOL.
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>>564141209
>egotisitical player that confuses high time investment with skill.
Using sound, being sneaky, is not the same as map knowledge. I can play a map for the first time, and just stop at a weird, unexpected spot, and kill anyone. I'm not gonna sit in a predictable corner, that people are likely to check. Battle royale camping is trickier than simply studying a map. I can lay prone in front of a door for 20 minutes, and after the guy checks 25 corners in 3 buildings, I'll kill him with a shit gun. You don't become ok with doing this after investing time, you are ok with doing this because you want to ruin his match. His experience is your target, not the win, not the loot.
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>>564141469
>You can and will lose progress in this game.
You will lose gear and time and if those two equate the sole progress to you. The game never takes anything permanent away from you, you get out as much as you put in.
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Bubble shields are still completely busted, what a fucking garbage item. Just remove them. Honestly, if you outplay a team and down/kill a guy, it's absurd how you can just completely reset, revive the guy, and then turn around and win the fight.
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>dick around as a solo free kit in outpost for like 20 minutes
>haven't heard jack shit in the last 5 minutes, pass under every wing and central just to see if anyone's still around
>even check the vault in destroyed wing and see nobody's been down there
>dead silence
>haven't found anything worth a shit so go up
>commander is staring directly at the elevator I ride for some reason
>start shooting
>two recons start shooting me from behind the commander
I guess the plan is to group queue, and then camp central pinwheel for solos to come up and bring you the... I guess I don't understand the plan, is this just the shittiest arachne rep grind method?
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>>564127762
The press is telling them they're doing great, that they're a GOTY contender. That' it's just some disgruntled chuds and not deep design decisions about the game that are fundamentally unapealling to everyone. They aren't getting the budget for a deep arc class pve mode. And almost all the people who worked on the game don't play it or give a fuck about it, or like it that much.


>>564127909
Let this game be itself. Another game in the same universe.
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>>564141727
the bungie special
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>>564128203
>he got a copy for the solo play
anon, the game is better solo but bungie does not care at all and they are so stubborn and weird they will never improve it. refund your copy.
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>>564128203
Solo was only added at the last second and it shows. You aren't allowed into shit like the freekit event, or the big map that they delayed reviews for. Balance ignores you.

Rook was the intended real solo experience, and it's gimped by not letting you do contracts, while requiring them for progress.

>>564129603
They aren't going to compromise their 3 man team vision. They're slow as fuck. Rook as it is, is pretty close to their idea of it not being shit, and they aren't going to get the resources to expand it into a paralell thing.

I'd legitimately expect them to take a year or more for it to be anything but the afterthought unbalanced shitfest it is now.
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>>564142221
The next safest way to stay safe in solos beyond just not making your location known is to kill any other player you see. There can only be so many players in a lobby at once, so it's safer to just take the easy kill on someone with a free kit then risk them sneaking up on you somehow and killing you. It was probably just some shit like that

The teaming shit is gay but with the CARRI event it's become more of a thing unfortunately.
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>We create worlds that inspire friendship.
I find it funny that a studio that changed from "We make games we want to play" just comes out and makes one of the easily most hostile environments in any first person shooter.
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Do scavs in Tarkov get restricted from doing contracts
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>>564130420
>>564130617
Cryo is the premier map of the entire fucking game anon.

Solo on tarkov is a fundamentally different experience. The maps are not big sprawling maps where you scav it up on the outskirts. Marathon drives towards pvp.

>and bungies intent,
Was to not give a fuck about solos until the beta.
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I literally cannot do my contracts at outpost because it's just 3-man destroyer teams with purples constantly rushing every spawn.
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>>564143065
>one of the easily most hostile environments in any first person shooter.
Thank God they did something new for them. Something so clean, without fake manipulation, you either survive, or don't.
Beautiful game, I love it. When I think about playing Marathon, there's like a very warm flame in my heart. I haven't felt like this since 2018 Blackout, battle royale.
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>>564122446
what's with this game not getting spikes during weekends, it's the strangest thing especially for a multiplayer game
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>>564143750
Botted chart
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Did they nerf destroyers ult from seeing assassin smoke?
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>nerf bully
>everyone still runs bully
Amazing. I cannot wait for WSTR nerf being rolled back last minute
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Cross is playing Fortnite now. Yeah Marathon is dead
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Square, Triangle and Circle were unavailable for comment
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>>564144526
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Pretty good
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>>564143750
>what's with this game not getting spikes during weekends, it's the strangest thing
People continuously give up and leave it. There's different ways to have fun on this game, but they're not for everyone.
>The tight, good chemistry squad, or kids who lock it, as modern faggots say it
>The sadistic fuck, who feeds on people's emotions, endlessly waiting to create an unfair ambush
>The no fucks given dude, who doesn't focus on something super hard
These categories of people are outnumbered by those, who want to "vibe and have fun without getting mentally stomped".
I do not care about anything, except trying to make someone nervous, I want to get in someone's head, the loot and progression doesn't matter to me.
Other games cockblock the tryhards and weirdos, to protect the people. It's ok, we can reverse boost till Jesus comes back.
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>>564143051
I'm just fuckin confused, man. Like group queueing could lead to you getting banned (hypothetically, I don't think Bungie's doing fucking anything about it realistically), you're bringing in like a cryo kit worth of gear and not even going for the vault or command wing. Just camping the entrances waiting for late comers, nobody's gonna bring you anything of value, you're rollin purple everything, do you really give a fuck about maybe a blue backpack/shields?
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>>564144526
>Square, Triangle and Circle were unavailable for comment
I don't get it, is it about Snoy? Don't shit talk my family, my team, my friends...
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>>564144623
>Just camping the entrances waiting for late comers, nobody's gonna bring you anything of value
Their mind, their heart, their soul, their experience is the target. Who gives a fuck about gear, they just want to kill and demoralize someone.
Feed on someone's delicious emotions. Yummy.
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Human nature has a spiteful, sadistic side. Hurting others in any way possible, is delicious. A delicacy.
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>>564138861
Bungie's independence is directly tied to how well this game does, and exactly what sony does is a complete wild card. Do you think the current team as it is, is going to get a quarter billion plus for another AAAA shot? Do they have them work on an "apex" like spinoff of this game?

>>564141503
This anon isn't just a rapist. He's a sommalier of rape experiences.

>>564139245
>>564139384
This makes no sense at all. Aim assist on a one hit kill weapon kills.
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>>564144876
You sound like the Marquis de Sade
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>>564141690
>The game never takes anything permanent away from you, you get out as much as you put in.

Tautologically asinine. Enjoy doing your contracts again next season.
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>>564144895
>Do you think the current team as it is, is going to get a quarter billion plus for another AAAA shot?
No, I believe the team is being changed, and the studio is working on a new game, for the new console. I keep saying for "the new console" because Sony may cut off Xbox. My main point, is the Bungie logo will not get scrapped, until their next shot for the new system.
>>564144895
>This anon isn't just a rapist. He's a sommalier of rape experiences.
I don't know what sommalier means, but thanks, cutie.
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>>564144623
They aren't killing you to take your shit dumbass, they're killing you so they can guarentee the shit they find that's potentially worth it makes it to exfil and to keep their own shit they brought in. How do you know they weren't just waiting close to the Pinwheel hub so they could leave once final exfil clocks and you just got unlucky by checking at the wrong time? How do you know they didn't 100% loot the wings and you just didn't hear it? How do you know they were even group queing and didn't just bump into each other and used prox chat to come to a mutual agreement to work together?

Stop taking it so personally. People don't need a reason to kill you in this game anyway, since your existence is just enough of a valid threat to justify killing you.
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>>564143065
I dunno CARRI did change something. I was going to jump up a vent at a pinwheel breach and knife some poor fuck in solo outpost last run, and then I heard that it was two guys prox chatting, so I just ended up joining them since I probably wouldn't win the 1v2. Got into the red card room, shared some random shit, we had a spare red card and exfil'd from the central station smoothly. It was the only time I've found straight up cooperation in this game, instead of the next best thing of 'see each other through bullet proof glass, go our separate ways instead of engaging in murder'
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I cant believe it...after destiny, after raids...hes playing fortnite
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>>564145261
Ass The Cross has been washed out for a long while now. Just better he found something more productive to do with his time.
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>>564145180
>Stop taking it so personally. People don't need a reason to kill you in this game anyway, since your existence is just enough of a valid threat to justify killing you.
Or they killed you, because they hope that you got nervous, or upset. They might just love doing this to people. I do.
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>>564145235
>Having a successful outpost run
>took out two teams and numerous rooks
>do pinwheel and red room and going to exfil
>some rook is just standing waiting at the locked exfil outside destroyed.
>my teammate gets on proxy and tells him to drop his weapons and he complies
>he crouches and faces away from us until it's time to exfil.
>tell him he can grab his weapons and we leave without incident
Fucked over every rook before that guy however lol.
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>>564145427
>>my teammate gets on proxy and tells him to drop his weapons and he complies
I'd shoot your teammate in the face, fuck you
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reddit marathon doesn't seem preoccupied by the steam numbers.
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>>564145509
and then I'd shoot you lol. can you count? retard.
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Shit if I had vault space I'd do some Rook runs.
All I have is blue backpacks, blue shields, and a couple of BREEanna guns.
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>>564145684
Doesn't matter, I'd still have time to call the rest of you niggers. Even if I didn't down the first one.
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>rook into Outpost
>Pinwheel doors haven't been unlocked and there's one team still camping the lift all the way up to the five minute mark
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Now that I am back with Marvel Rivals...I don't miss Marathon. I've been playing black cat...I will play the originals soon.

Destiny 2...we still talk about you
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>>564145180
I checked Destroyed Wing from the outside, the strongbox there was unopened. It had also been dead silent for 5+ minutes, and I could see the red 'do not enter' lasers for the vault in the death cam. And sure, maybe the two people in the lobby that brought in cryo gear met up early and agreed to both cooperate and stay silent while doing so lest their cooperation be discovered, but generally people talk when they spot and kill someone. Or just in general. I'm just confused anon, not taking it personally, it seems like a weird, unproductive use of time to both group queue (assumption) and camp for that long. They also activated exfil right after killing me (I didn't bring a red card up) because it was right in the middle, so I assume I was the last person they hadn't killed.
The other guy honestly seems like he has a more plausible explanation, they're just bored and looking to fuck with people, and despite getting no feedback can just assume whoever they got was really, really mad. Oh also they both had the compiler skin on, so I even more doubt they gave a single fuck about anything they picked up, though I suppose that might be more reason to assume they saw each other and cooperated rather than group queued.
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>>564145940
It's kind of funny how adamant people are on wiping lobbies, even if it means taking the last exfil. I'd just take everything not bolted down and dip whenever the opportunity presents.
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I don't think tick nests should sense you through walls. It's just annoying trying to be quiet then suddenly have something scream loudly from 15m away and a loud clacking tick attempts to path to you.
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>>564145957
What does this meme mean? I haven't seen the original.
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>>564146031
Ticks aren't machines, they probably smell you. Life finds a way.
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>>564146024
People are fucking terrified of getting third partied in this game which is maybe understandable given you die so fast if someone catches you out.
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Alisaboy keeps coming back. because he misses the real excitement, that only Marathon could give. He knows Rivals matchmaking is fake, he's not really winning or losing.
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>>564145957
Can you post a cute Alysa next time you stop by the thread? Thanks.
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>>564146031
Yeah that would be good
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>>564146265
You're right but I can't keep doing that. Marathon is cool because it's unfair but when it was my turn to be the bot. I couldn't handle the cuckolding. Rivals is...too easy.
>>564146039
>when you pass out in "fancy area/poor area"

>>564146339
its called not avatarposting and not getting a ban
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>>564146206
I'd still rather just hustle in comparison to just waiting ten minutes for rival runners. Just throw some claymores, hit Pinwheel at around 15-20 and then dip before the 5 minute mark, regardless if someone is around. There's much more risk at last exfil with the million Rooks and if you get red early, most of your restricted exfils are relatively safe too.
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I got hooked on Balatro a while ago, Marathon is the same.
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>>564146369
I know, you have the potential to kill anyone. All you need is a deep breath, not to fill your lung, but breathe into your balls.
You can be a menace, kill anyone, be it Sam Butcher camping, or the aimbotting Rise dude. You're not unlocking yourself because you're probably lazy.
You're not weak, like the faggots and troons, who got filtered.
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I'm just trying to convince Alisabro to play again, so he gets raped and complains more. I don't really believe that he's strong. Huehuehue
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>>564128203
Refund while you can and go back to tarkov.
Its probaly a way better game for a solo player.
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>>564146705
Nah I am done with Marathon I dont need that stress in my life. I am happy on Rivals
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>>564128203
Solo is fun, but you just don't get to play the last map as a solo, and the general loop of the game once you've got your passive upgrades is to gather gear across the week and 'spend it' in Cryo on the weekend. But you don't get the spend part as a solo, Outpost is a cool map, but it's not really the pinnacle activity that Cryo is. If you're absolutely adamant about solo only, I'd probably suggest going elsewhere until the game changes to allow for solos to get the full experience - and I don't know if it ever really will, having played a shitload of solo and trios with friends, solo pvp is just an entirely different thing that lacks the push/pull a 3v3 fight can have, which are always the most interesting/fun fights and what cryo is basically entirely about.
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I am not done with Marathon. Drop my teammates, smoke the zone, I'll dismantle all of it. Without blinking once.
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>>564147240
god I love the tau ceti battle famas rifle deluxe, I haven't found a weapon I like more than it
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>>564147352
I was initially all for BR. Then with enough hours i've found my favourites to be:
>H-AR
>Stryder
>Q-Reach Twin Tap
The problem obviously is that the aformentioned are quite expensive, but at the same time the Volley is still a really good option for it's price point.
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>>564137850
>You have to survive the meatgrinder for green salvage
>You cant even get the first perk of repair speed without it

Bungie fucking knew exactly what they were doing.
Can wait for the Sony summit to assrape them.
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>>564147352
When I first saw it's called the BR33 rifle, I started calling it the Breeanna. In honor of my highschool girlfriend, who didn't wanna do the sex. And when she finnaly gave in after 5 long months, I broke up with her to try with another one.
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>>564147240
now try doing this in a good gear team
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>>564147436
I don't think I've gotten my hands on any of those yet. I think the Stryder maybe in one run.
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>>564147639
Send your good team to the sponsored playlist. I'll send them back to you, with their assholes gaping wide open >>564114241
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>>564147436
I just wish the Stryder had more than 12 fuckin bullets, for how rare the gun is I feel like it shouldn't be in the bargain 'works with mods' bin like the fuckin Overrun. There's a lot of weapons that fall into the 'almost good enough' category that I want to fuckin love, like the BRRT would be amazing - if I could put a fucking magazine mod on it. The Hardline has a huge range - and also the worst iron sights. The Repeater is dope as hell and fucks up bots - but sucks complete shit against players and has a range of like 40m and also sucks shit against Assault bots because you need to headshot. Magnum has a gold mod that gives it a 2x scope - while the gun has a range of fucking 18m.
Meanwhile you see the Bully literally fucking everywhere because it just fuckin works out of the box, and any mods just make it better - while also having an amazing gold mod. Any gun that's part of a free kit or drops from recruits should probably be like the Overrun - useable but needs mods to be competitive. And guns that are rare as fuck should be like the Bully, competitive out of the box
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>>564147764
You'll eventually run into schemas for most or loot them off arms lockers in Pinwheel.
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I downed a purple shield thief that was waiting for me at the top of a ladder by hopping off and two tapping them with hip fire WSTR shots. Then I just magdumped them as they went for the self-revive because I had to re-climb the whole ladder.
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>>564147970
I found this thing off some dude I murdered a few days ago but haven't used it yet
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Ill boot up the game to see how long it takes to get into a match.
Please wait for me my darlings.

When will we get the refund tho?
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>>564147917
>And guns that are rare as fuck should be like the Bully, competitive out of the box
They usually are, the problem is that most engagements on many of the game's current maps happen in the 20-25 meter range, which obviously makes the cheap and accessible option strong and anything beyond that is mostly Marsh territory. For those, the options in the more expensive rung of the ladder obviously make more sense as stuff like Stryder, Tap and even Hardline with mods can fill in for the cases where you're not saddled with a sniper and still be decent in the 20-35m range. Tap (even without Q-reach) tends to be quite underrated solely on how rare it is, i used it religiously on Perimeter Ranked last week and it's a really strong middle option between a BR/Precision rifle with no tradeoffs outside of having to actually hit your headshots. I think Repeater is by far the one that needs a little help for it's archetype. The guns shouldn't be designed solely around their gold mods.
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>>564148149
that won't happen again soon
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>>564148389
Yeah but it was funny and I'm glad I got to do that pre-nerf. I even said howdy as I poked my head out right before they went for the knife kill.
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>>564148497
Based cowboy wrangling rats
Death to ladder campers by any means necessary especially outpost's long ladders
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anyone know if when i get the game if ill get the twitch drops, i claimed them all on twitch and connected my bungie account when they were live during the server slam, dont know if they have some sort of expiration
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>>564148378
>most engagements on many of the game's current maps happen in the 20-25 meter range
And when you're playing it right, the engagement happens by shooting someone in the back, unaware. So their shield is almost zeroed. Any gun becomes good in that situation. All I need is a 2K loadout to kill anyone, cut the shield with the overrun, zig zag slide at him with the bully. Boom game over, and hardly any damage taken.
This is for solo, of course.
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>>564148597
>anyone know if when i get the game if ill get the twitch drops
You will get your twitch stuff, no expiration this year. If the game is live until the end of the year, that is. Kukuku.

P.S. don't worry, game's coming to PS Plus and Game Pass, it won't die this summer.
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These fucking queue times man
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>>564148650
Solo operates on the assumption that you can usually get in a good ambush and it's also why i play most of my solo matches with mostly Deluxe and 5k as the maximum cap. I've done some 10k loadout value on Outpost once or twice, but there's plenty of good guns with very decent price points without having to place too much money onto the expensive options. I generally think the other options the game throws at you are much more workable in trios, as you can run different loadouts based on your teammates. Even then, i find it funny that there are so many different rifles in the high range options (even one machine gun can easily reach to around 120m or so...) and it's still only Dire Marsh where it'll ever be applicable. We just need bigger, more open maps once time goes on.
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>>564149061
And yet big maps run into the issue of snipers just being the only relevant option. Dire Marsh had it particularly bad due to thermals being dumb and invalidating any ambient cover like fog or foliage, but Longshot being so common would just lead to long range engagement maps having the same degenerative meta problems that Cryo has with WSTR.
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>>564141257
>I think it just boils down to the fact that most players don’t really want to play an extraction shooter.
Here it is. The truth nuke.
Because extraction shooters aren't even a real genre but a misunderstanding of Tarkov by double digit IQ AAA devs.
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>>564149061
>We just need bigger, more open maps once time goes on.
Yes, but I want that for variety, I'd still run basic guns, to replace them mid-match. I don't think focusing on a specific loadout in this game is very interesting. I don't want this to become like Warzone, where the smartest thing to do, is bring a specific rifle, and specific SMG. Every time.
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>>564149565
>extraction shooters aren't even a real genre but a misunderstanding of Tarkov by double digit IQ
You've said this before, friend. You know, I've never even tried to understand what the game is about. I want to play it, because I know, there's people who care about keeping items, and exiting successfully. I want to ruin it for these people, make them upset, erase their items, intercept their exfil. My target is their experience, I do not care about loot and stuff.
If I exit with garbage, fine, as long as I was able to kill someone else, who cared about something, that's a win.
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>>564149061
>>564149596
Right now there are 4 maps and one is a mix of long range and close quarters, one is full close quarters, perimeter is a decent blend of everything and outpost is too
Solo has a few inherit problems contrasting with trios that makes things work a lot differently, ranged encounters are sloppy and the only way anyone can self-revive realistically so you're already disincentivized. They really overall want this game to be about moving around and not camping, so whole swathes of deadman's land isn't really conducive. Being able to take advantage of 60 to 100m is pretty useful in a good few situations on Outpost and Perimeter, I don't think it's really that bad.

A map that really tries to demphasize sub-20 to 30m engagements would be cool though, because it's present on every map in just about every high value location. There are usually good corridor sightlines through even those locations you can capitalize on to about 40-50m but it'd be nice to have the reverse cryo where shotguns get you killed more often than not.
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>>564150409
I would like a snow map, or a desert that looks like Egypt. I don't care how they make it fit in with the setting, just do it.
Let there be hills 400M away from each other, with trees and snow. Or a Pyramid with a Sphinx statue, 500M away from some large, crashed spaceship. Let's do it.
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>>564147436
The H-ar's projectile speed needs to be buffed massively, I like the gun but shit feels slower than the v75
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>>564150635
I'd love to see this artstyle mix with a snowy setting, I've always loved snow levels. Rolling hills would be pretty perfect yeah. Have there be something like an upper set of PoIs that are effectively sniper perches across the top, and a bottom that's just bowls between the hills with trees and carefully constructed sightlines to keep them free from most perches, and more open sightlines where ARs and precision rifles thrive. That would be wonderful.
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how does the game run on low end pcs?
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game's about to hit an all time low
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Perimeter bros... these queues
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>>564151251
Probably terribly. Outpost is sure to make your frames drop even on high end PCs. Bungie didn't think this was a problem because the main audience of streamers have $20k rigs.
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Queers seem to be lying. If friendly shit is truly spreading, it's pissing me off.
God forbid some faggot says "hey man I noticed you on the roof, can we be chill and vibe".
I'm gonna chimpout. I hate the words vibing and chill.
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>>564151781
>I hate the words vibing and chill
what no vibe does to a mf
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>>564151984
lmao gottem, absolutely chillmogged
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>>564151397
PVP ruined the game
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sub 6k on the cards
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>>564151984
>>564152517
Dorks
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>>564151397
>>564152989
6,022
next refresh and it's over
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>You will recognize true evil by the fact that it cannot tolerate the simplest kind gestures in its presence

Hmm, what if Marathon really is a bad game, but I couldn't understand that, because I'm evil. A lot of people like the graphics, and the codex, or lore. But I don't care about that at all.
Interesting, the "hostile design, bad game" faggots could've been correct. I just didn't see it.
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Are rooks only friendly to other rooks on Outpost? Like will I be able to squad up while rooking in Dmarsh? I want to do some Rook runs to just get salvage/money but the good shit is in the events.
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>>564153625
>Are rooks only friendly to other rooks on Outpost?
I've met friendly Rooks on perimeter, recently. I didn't join them, but I jumped up a couple of times and they jumped, didn't chase me.
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>>564153625
Lol no, marathon specifically caters to murderhobo superhitlerniggers. I've tried multiple times to be friendly with other rooks and they kill me every time.
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Hmm, what if Marathon is a good game, and I'm not evil. I don't like kind gestures towards people, but I like animals. Harming animals never crossed my mind, but the only person I like is me. I don't like seeing other people happy, but that's not necessarily evil. Evil would want to destroy everything, right? I just want to destroy other people, not animals, or the land. So if I'm not evil, and I think Marathon is good, Marathon is not bad. Hmm.
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>>564153083
currently in 5911
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>>564150635
>>564150923
region to the north of tau ceti where a marathon shuttle crash landed
survivors that fled from the pfhor and tried to survive but died to ???????????
accessed after the next marathon segment that gives us the location
focus of the map is restoring power from external generators to open the doors which activates a virus that infects UESC in its perimeter into a third party from defense protocols from a now dead AI, with an event about deploying it in other maps with AI subroutines or some shit to trigger the effects and unique shit
in an even later season make these protocols high end equipment in the form of grenades or an AoE burst or something
hire me bungie
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>>564154154
>Lol no, marathon specifically caters to murderhobo superhitlerniggers.
Some Rooks are desperate, they just want to collect shit. Squat and jump in front of them, or say something, and they won't fight you. I'm anti-friendly and even I've met non-aggressive Rooks.
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>>564153625
You're not supposed to get the "good shit" as Rook. It's a shell for scavenging leftovers and maybe doing a really risky ambush on a sloppy undisciplined teams that are still on the map by the time you spawn. Even then they are nerfing that by making WSTR unable to two-shot a blue shield.
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>>564154281
Just gibs me a snow and sand map to camp on
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I want a snowy mountaintop research facility map, an actual city map where colonists actually lived, a desert map and a maybe a proper forest map
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Marathon literally cannot survive another season of Cryo being full of the same sweats who grind Outpost every day it's not Cryo and then murder everyone in the Cryo lobby with bubble and grenade spam. Bungie has to fix the endgame fast because everyone is burning out on the loop.
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>>564154519
a city constructed of space block apartments would be really cool
It's a pretty ambitious concept but to do a really cool desert map I think it should have shifting dunes, like a storm that blows sand so much it changes access to certain areas by clogging passageways and stuff. I don't know how they could really get that to work well without it being a performance nightmare honestly, but if they could their design team is up to the task of really delivering on the idea and it'd be cool as fuck.
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Marathon need gear-weight matchmaking that also affects map loot.

Say you queue in with a free kit, you're more likely to only find other free kits or poverty-build players BUT the loot will also scale down. Outpost won't give anything above green or blue in everyone queues in with free kits or builds below 4k. Meanwhile if everyone goes in with 5k+ you're guaranteed to find gold and red loot.
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>>564154530
>cryo available for solos (with rescaled PvE)
>bubble shield removed
>misriah and WSTR swapped positions in rarity
game fixed. but that would be fun and reasonable, and bungie does not like fun and reasonable
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>>564154907
>cryo available for solos (with rescaled PvE)
this not being a thing at launch, what were they thinking?
ripped off +30% of their player base.
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>>564154803
I like the idea but 5k is too low.
>Equip two wstrs and sit in a corner to ambush someone with 15k worth of gear.
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>>564154803
Marathon needs players nigger and this won't bring in any
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>>564154413
Finally. I can use the NuCal skin and not stick out like a sore thumb
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>>564155847
Nothing is going to bring in players.
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>>564155570
>what were they thinking?
idk nirvana lyrics or something
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can someone post bungie rape victim friend request webm
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>fill with gear
>get two free kits
>free kit
>get two fully geared players
Ok
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D3 turbo struggling getting higher but i love number go up
there is something about the flow of ranked dire marsh that i dont get, any tips? my biggest problem is the first 5 minutes
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Marathon needs to put the spiky haired girl in a swimsuit
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>>564154803
>Marathon need gear-weight matchmaking that also affects map loot.
So you want them to make a different game then? It's okay, but I don't see that change being possible at the current state
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Marathon needs more anime. Rape always goes well with anime.
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*cough cough* f-fellow gamerdads... i'm trying to blast have... but the doomchuds... they are just too strong...
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>>564136356
The player count only going down is good, Chud. So what if it was the most expensive extraction shooter ever made and nobody bought it? That just means the chuds lost.
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I got carried hard last night by a very high level duo on sponsored marsh. We did warden and anomaly twice each, which I had not done up to that point. I got four contracts done of which I had been avoiding any and all for marsh up until that point. It... wasn't that fun, and now I actually don't feel like playing. Once you finally accomplish some of that stuff you realize the game is actually pretty shallow and needs like double the content at a minimum. Bungie just fucked up and honestly they deserve to take this one on the chin and become Sonys sweatshop for casual console trash for the rest of the studios life.
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>do Anomaly 20 times
>always get credits or a SINGLE blue salvage
>do Anomaly this morning
>get all this
>wtf.jpg
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>Marathon has so little interest cross is playing fucking fortnite
fellas i think we are cooked.
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Europeans can't fucking play FPS to save their lives holy shit. Rando fill is absolute fucking dogshit during euro-hours.
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>>564163673
I treat euro hours as solo hours. I get alot done in that time slot
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>>564162871
Ross will not be able to survive without Bungie money.
He's a retard, unfunny and unskilled. Somehow he rose to fame during Destiny. And Destiny is the sole thing that kept him afloat. Now that Bungie is dying, and both Destiny and Marathon with them, he will try to cling to relevancy, drawing from the money he made during the Destiny-days.
But beyond that? Burger flipping.
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>>564164326
He could actually very easily survive off 1k+ viewers that he gets when playing other shit. It's the lower tier D2 streamers that are currently struggling to keep a few hundred viewers when playing Marathon that will end up flipping burgers.
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>that Pragmata game got 1 million sales in 2 days
>still no announcement for 1 million sales of Marathon
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>>564164979
>>564123582
>can't even hit 400k discord users
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>>564120340
>Windrose looks like a Sony movie game, and it's PvE
sounds amazing
might grab this

Marathon made me realize PvP isn't fun
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the game actually hit 19k on a sunday lmao
this week will be a bloodbath
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>>564165667
It will probably start the cycle
>wtf my matchmaking is taking forever
>"fuck this I'll play something else"
>matchmaking now takes even longer for people still playing the game
>even they start saying "fuck thiss I'l play something else"
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>>564164979
An 'indepent analyst' claims Marathon sold 1.2 million copies, 70% of them on Steam. I think that's bullshit, but.
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>>564165848
Yea I don't believe that
>1.2 million sales on steam
>and now <20k people are playing
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still can't wrap my head around that this game cost 250 million dollars and the 4 billion dollar gamble from sony
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BIG THINGS HAPPENING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfD486Ix1qo
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>>564165848
They said the estimate of 1.2 mill was close, the same site severely overestimated the sales of other titles by many million. And this was all weeks ago, so it's very likely it only recently hit those numbers.
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>>564166361
Uhh let's not have a blast this time bros...
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IT'S THE RECON MJOLNIR RECON 54
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>>564166237
Game dev bloat has become absurd. It's not exclusive to Bungie, though that is no defense of them mind you.
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>>564166237
they probably lied and said
>look how successful Halo and Destiny are
>we'll do it again we swear
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>>564166486
too soon
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>>564166603
Then the fault lies with Sony

>Halo is struggling nowadays
>Destiny rode the coattails of Halo but has always had troubled development, ate up money and the entire ordeal of Bungie hopping from publisher to publisher

Sony is the fool in "a fool and his money are soon parted".
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>>564166603
>are
was/were
Sony should be able to sue jim ryan and have him publicly flogged
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I want to go back to the days of Destiny 1, when I had genuine fun and we were naively optimistic about the future.
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>>564166850
I wonder how much money he cost Sony collectively. Gotta be at least 5 billion
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>always hesitant to play
>force myself to because I paid for this game and don't feel like I got my money's worth
>go for a POI, look around frantically because it's dogshit visiblity and I'm paranoid
>after 5 minutes I finally move
>immediately shotgunned in the back and instakilled
seriously how do you possibly have fun with this game
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>>564167412
Just wait for the PVE / solo-mode pivot in a couple months when Sony is forced into a desperate attempt to recoup any costs.
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>>564164326
Brother, high viewer and sub streamers like him have enough money to live for a decade or more with no income. He can easily retire on sponsored slop money and cash out. Which is exactly what he's doing. The absolute smartest thing you can do as a streamer is find your way to get big, live small, save all that money, then cash out the second your line starts to fall. Become variety slop, take all the sponsors as your viewcount plummets, and call it a day.
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>>564167542
I need genuine help here. If I play patiently and stealthily, others just go in and loot everything and set up an ambush. If I scout then rush in aggressively, I get shot in the back somehow anyways. I'm at a loss on how to possibly even take steps.
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>>564167659
Unironically you missed out. The only people left playing are the small minority like you that are trying to check out the game from the ground level, and the vast majority that are now seasoned vets with hundreds of hours and the best loot simply looking to kill you and cause misery. They're not interested in taking your loot or doing quests, they just want to play the battle royal bungie designed for them. If you're not one of these players then the only realistic option is to not play and just wait for bungie to actually be realistic about the future of their product
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>>564167659
It's all luck in solos, you can pay attention to sounds and the skybox to have a decent idea of if a poi is inhabited or was recently but even then they could be behind every corner. It's just a dogshit game mode because the game was never intended to be played solo
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>>564167989
Maybe man. The TTK is just so insane. I don't want to play with randoms for all sorts of reasons, 2 of my 140 steam friends bought the game and neither of them play at all. It's harrowing.
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>>564168150
Just play fills, a mediocre fill team is better than solos imo
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>He's so bad he needs 2 mediocre boyfriends to help him
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>>564075508
DEAD TRANNY GAME
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This game actually hit 5k players lmao
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>>564169191
yeah and so does every remaining player
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>>564170968
I'm well past 100 with some 450k in Vault after Lose Everything ship and i play all the other maps Solo. Maybe the average player is a fucking caveman or something. I'm having a hard time believing this game filters people this much.
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>>564171245
>he still thinks people are being "filtered" and not just getting bored with another mid fps
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>>564171245
your level and vault value actually suggest very little about your skill, maybe you just play the game all day
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>>564171645
Generally the overall vault value in terms of item average is a completely fine metric. If you only do low value stuff and only gather mid-tier loot, the overall average value of a vault will be lower overall. Granted, some of it is also up to stuff like salvage and meds but generally people with more purple salvage and end-game upgrades have to either atleast do Lockdowns solo or then run Pinwheel religiously. Rook also works to a degree, but it's nowhere near as good as looting Pinwheel solo.
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we'll get our first >20k peak tonight
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>>564174110
retard
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>runna we need to expose the UESC lies and spread the word
>so we're going to hack a lockdown ship and play a message to the other players in the lobby to make sure they can make the most out of those 3 minutes of you being locked in so they can get into position and then rape you with equipment as you're wounded and low on ammo
>that'll show that bastard Orion

Thank fuck this quest doesn't require you to exfill.
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>>564174689
He said nothing wrong
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>>564174745
>we'll get our first HIGHER THAN 20k peak
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>>564174823
I stand corrected
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>>564145639
They seem to be too busy fixing Bungie's retarded UI design.
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we'll get our first <20k peak tonight
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>>564145639
>the toxic positivity factory is turning out lethal levels of naivety
same as it ever was
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>>564167659
You have to get a feel for the mix of the two, and even then sometimes you're going to get caught out and die. Every raid is luck, basically, and leveraging the odds. General tips:
>be quick between PoIs, cautious on your approach, and assume someone is looting already
>when breaching a PoI, walk, don't sprint, take height, and listen as you infiltrate
>look for bot corpses or alert state of bots
>if the coast seems clear, begin looting and doing your thing, always listening for footsteps
>always assume someone else is at your first PoI with you, even if you don't hear anyone. The game likes to spawn 2 players near a PoI and maybe a third will decide to rotate towards yours as well.
The ratsassins will still get you sometimes but scouting and listening will increase your survival by quite a bit. You can also up your success rates by just waiting for the first round of extracts to pop and wait for a few people to get out. Watch some LoonyLemon, he exclusively plays solo and while he's cracked at aiming, his decisionmaking, positioning, and cadence is also top tier. He doesn't creep around the whole map, and is always paying attention to the flow of the game.
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What is arc raiders like danger wise? I don't understand why their numbers are high if the majority of players in that game are in some weird protected hug box lobby. If you spawn into arc raiders, what threatens the player? There is no way the arcs alone are that much of a threat? How is it not just opening cabinet simulator at that point if you don't even have to fear other players potentially harming you because you are in the hug box?
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>>564145639
Well yeah... they ban you for it
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>>564174935
I have no issues with the item UI. I don't even understand what people are complaining about. I guess they want to know specifically about the perks on an item by looking at it instead of reading. It makes me wonder how slow peoples reading speeds are. Realistically, you probably aren't looting in super dire circumstances so you definitely would have time to read less than a sentence. I am not sure what I am missing in regard to the UI hate.
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Not even sure why people consider Marathons numbers low when its average for extraction shooters of its kind. The more dangerous the extraction shooter, the less players generally. Which is fine. The only games getting HUGE numbers of players are games that are "casual coded" and gacha shit.
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>>564176091
>What is arc raiders like danger wise?
Unless you do PvP, you extract ~80% of the time, maybe more. Doesn't mean that it's outright easy, the enemies can be really dangerous if you weren't ready, but they aren't as fast to shoot as the UESC bots, so you always get the first few shots, and that's usually enough to kill the small ones without taking damage.
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>>564176091
That's exactly my experience with the game, marathon actually got me interested in trying it. It's more of a relaxing "cozy" game in the friendly lobbies which has its appeal but is also kind of boring depending on your mood. The arc can be dangerous if you're really careless but are also easy to avoid. You need to make progression in order to get items and weapons that will actually kill the bigger ones but it's never much of a challenge.
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>>564176091
The weaker arcs are a joke and the threatening ones are easily avoided.
>How is it not just opening cabinet simulator at that point if you don't even have to fear other players potentially harming you
That's what they like about it, it's mindless busywork with little friction and sometimes you make a friend.
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>>564145639
>>564176126
Strange how people who don't masturbate to steamdb numbers are actually socially well-adjusted. I think you can take a lesson from them and keep your hands off your dick for a week.
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>>564176487
You can't stop what is coming
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>>564176726
Hey buddy, I think you made a wrong turn
>>>/r/Marathon
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>>564176419
>Not even sure why people consider Marathons numbers low when its average for extraction shooters of its kind.
It's really low for its budget. Unless Bungie have amazing content releases lined up for the next 2 seasons, it's over. Not soon, but with certainty.
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>>564176761
You want me to put you in the screencap?
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>>564176947
Do it faggot
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>>564176912
Of the two people in this conversation, I'm not the one refreshing reddit to crosspost on 4chan. Now get back to your hugbox.
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>>564147528
>You have to survive the meatgrinder for green salvage
Is this what the dark souls general was like before people started gitting gud?
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>>564176419
They spent 6 years developing this, including multiple resets and a change in director cause it wasn't working. They then spent god knows how much on marketing with multiple high quality cg trailers, an original song, and twitch sponsorships. There is no way they did all that shit for the current numbers.
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>>564176419
>when its average for extraction shooters of its kind
its getting beat by every other notable extraction shooter its low even when compared to its peers
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>>564177054
/mg/ is my hugbox to shit on this game
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I want the game to die for my ego being hurt when I lost at it. It's really that simple. My ego can't take defeat, failure, any loss.
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>>564176286
>I guess they want to know specifically about the perks on an item by looking at it instead of reading.
Yes, same for cores. I hate having to mouse over an item to know what it is.
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Uh oh
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>>564177369
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>>564176726
>thinking i can keep my hands off my dick for a week when zhu yuan exists
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>>564177369
Based
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>>564177462
even retardera can't ignore it
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>>564176419
People would've found other vectors to bitch and moan about no matter what the player count was, like so >>564177462

>>564177279
Really? Thought it was /r/KotakuInAction/ based on how you write
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>>564176926
I won't quite write Marathon off as being "over" in the usual sense of it shutting down after a year, but I can definitely see them keeping the game in maintenance mode where it only gets seasonal wipes with the servers still on. Marathon I still think is a fine game but they invested way too much money into it for what kind of game this is, Hunt Showdown in comparison had far less initially and that was worked on when Crytek was close to death.
As for whatever content they have lined up for future seasons, we only have up to Season 2 right now and things look extremely barren.
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>>564177447
I wish they would get rid of the text delay. Like was that really necessary? I guess they wanted players to be on edge at all times during gameplay
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>>564176091
>What is arc raiders like danger wise?
It is however you want it to be. That is why it is so successful In fact it is harder to survive solo in Arc in the right lobbies than Marathon thanks to it's spawning. If you are really good at the game, you can be put into cheater lobbies with people walling and aimbotting. If you're kinda mid, you get matched with other mid people. If you suck at the game, you get PvE lobbies. Marathon you can only play one way. Arc, you can play exactly how it is in Marathon or in PvE mode, there is a choice. That is why Arc popped off.
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>>564177251
How do you figure? Tarkov has similar numbers and is Marathons major competitor. What other extraction shooters are even competing right now?
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>>564178054
Tarkov has its own launcher
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>>564176636
It also has nice sliding. And you restore stamina during a slide, so depending on terrain, you can move tech a little.
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>samuel bucher webm
always a nice surprise to open one
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>>564177779
>Launch - 3 levels (arena shooter sized)
>1 limited-time weekend only event map
>Season 2 - 1(one) single new VARIATION (not new map)
lol, lmao
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>>564178054
lol tarkov has a majority of its playerbase on its own launcher so easily double triple the amount you see on steam. its beating gray zone thanks to console but only just beating it. every other notable extraction shooter is doing better than it. delta force tarkov arc hunt arena breakout.

these games were also out for years too and marathon is not even two months old. its getting beat badly. imagine how bad marathons numbers will be a year from now.
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>>564177462
losing to fucking ksp lmao
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>>564178461
>games were also out for years too and marathon is not even two months old
You expected people to stop playing the extraction shooters they already sank time into and start up a new one?
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>>564178630
To be fair, it got a major player count bump recently, for obvious reasons.
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>>564178631
Bungie sure did
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>>564177779
Season 2 is adding 1 new shell and re-releasing a launch map. That's the best they could do, working from w/e they started this to now. No way they make any actual content now, look at D2 at it's content release. Scaling down every season, re-release old things cuz it saves time+effort. Marathon is turbo fucked
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>>564178631
no but that wasnt the question asked he asked what other games are beating it and i gave it to him
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>>564178812
Anything beyond that would be overdelivery and dark patterns, please understand
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What people never seem to remember is that you can only play one fucking game at a time. In a perfect world, I'd play marathon, WoW and Factorio all at the same time. However, I think most "normal" people do weird math in their heads. They will say "I'd really like to play the rough extraction shooter but I don't feel like getting dunked on(because I am shit at the game)." Whereas masochists(like most autistics) will play hard games and enjoy it. I think the reality is that people don't want to feel like they are getting dunked on when they may have limited time to play. However, that leads to a circular issue. "I am bad because I don't play. I don't play because I am bad." Its the same shit across different genres of "hard" games. Fighting games, Arena shooters, RTS etc. All had the same problem. More people like to watch those games than play for some reason.
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>>564177779
>other surprises
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>>564176487
dude the game is ALREADY dead



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