Going with the vibes edition>Demo DaysNext: https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-68Previous: https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-67>AGDG Resourceshttps://hackmd.io/SNd2YQugRG-36CLYc8Og2w>Progress Posting Guidehttps://pastebin.com/0xEt5atn>Helpful LinksNew Threads: >>>/vg/agdgArchive: https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/subject/agdg//agdg/ Steam Games: https://made-by-agdg.vercel.app/>How to WebMhttps://obsproject.comhttps://github.com/argorar/WebMConverter>Previous Thread>>564371101
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>>564464239No progress, but at least I'm not Cris.
>>564464239>All of my progress isn't visible and is more "Making the systems work better"Fug
I really need some sort of level creation tool for blender, I want to be able to quickly create textured interiors, my main theme is office/labratory. Does anyone know of anything I could use?I didnt notice the new thread
>>564464927>>564464851
I cant make an incremental game.....
>last thread>why arent there any deck building dungeon crawlers?>top selling steam game today>a dungeon crawling deck builder by the Vampire survivors guy>you think you're funny, dont you?
>>564464927IDK. Kinda in the same bote
>>564465001Thank you to that anon, but basically I am super super lazy, I just wanna draw walls around and have the wall texture automatically applied, same for floors and ceilings, be able to be like "hey blender put a door here" and the geometry/mesh not be all fucked up, I guess I am after an architecture plugin or something?
>61% of the 252 user reviews for this game are positive.what went wrong?
https://nightride.fmim in the chatroom listening to the datawave station
where are da loligaems???
>>564465317If the dev made money, nothing went wrong. You can sell bullshit to people all day, nobody cares.
>>564464239Just messing around with slang now. I set up a nice preview for building floors/walls and figured out a good way to handle building from "outside". Back to actual game mechanics tomorrow
>>564465228Maybe this?https://github.com/EvilReFlex/ERF_LevelBuddyBlender
>>564465492built for hokage
>>564465492arisu...
I'm aiming for "Hour-long vertical slice demo." You?
>>564465574looks sick going to try that now thanks
Nundev won btw
>>564465526Marnix was hoping for long tail sales. That's not happening now
>>564465492the what games?
>>564465719At this point me and the artist buddy are trying to get the world built, which means it's probably going to be a VN style tech demo
>>564465719I'm just trying to launder money, I don't really care about the games.
>>564464235damn that sunset was fire as fuck. good work anon
>>564464239Tidied up the mask a bit. Not bad progress for someone who was doing that shit a few days ago
>>564464118>>564464165>>564464210
>>564457283This is pretty olds school.
>>564465526>If the dev made money, nothing went wrong. You can sell bullshit to people all day, nobody cares.
>>564466937blueprints coded
>>564465317>40% of people didn't like it O.O
>>564467484i couldnt even stand to play the demo its so fake and perforative
>>564466812Reminds me of the rs homunculus.
>>564465317what do you mean? that's an amazing result for a trendchaser's slop.
>>564467587Rs?
>>564468168
>>564468168RuneScape for those of you who aren't poor or in the 3rd world.
If you don't know what RS is, you're NGMI.
>>564468246Is that a bad thing
Got a walk cycle going
>>564465317*Casually out performs 95% of recent /agdg/ games*What went wrong?
>>564468548it's a disposable commentthe only similarity is the big circular eyeAnd I'm the kind of guy to see weird connections that no one else sees.t. guy who's only ever played rs: I'm getting rs vibes
>are the people covering one eye posting in the thread with you now?
>>564468702Is nice>>564468748Heh
>>564468990Thank you
>>564468929>>564466812Fun fact:I have absolutely no name for this guy. He's Japanese and comes from a prestigious family, but that's all I've got to go off for what his name is.Oh well, it'll probably come to me eventually.
>>564468462whats ngmi mean? i dont think im going to make it you guys....
>>564469709>whats ngmi mean? i dont think im going to make it you guys....
>>564469613How about Cristian Devilmay?
https://digestingduck.blogspot.com/2010/03/simple-stupid-funnel-algorithm.html reading this but i cant think yet still retarded from drinking so much yesterday i feel so calm and relaxed though
>be me>play a few games>find them fun but end up not buying either>months pass>see a clone of one of those games>flopped despite the dev adding a huge dopamine injectionUhh what???? How does this happen?
>>564465317I played the demo and it was pretty boring mechanic wise. I was very surprised when it got 27K wishlists. It showcases how important appeal is and what the limits of appeal actually are.It really does go to show how much of design in gamedev is about getting people to actually try your game.
>>564470262>not buying
>>564470262>>be me>>play a few games>>find them fun but end up not buying either>>months pass>>see a clone of one of those games>>flopped despite the dev adding a huge dopamine injection>Uhh what???? How does this happen?
>>564470337I've bought too many games over at least a few years and haven't gotten around to playing them. No need to be in a rush to buy every single game, could probably outwait the dev and have a steep discount 2 years from now.
>>564469613how about sum ting wong
>>564464239Bit the bullet and added hitstop.IDK why people say this makes combat feel better
>>564427905stock market is high odds gambling, like with a good strategy your chance to win should be over 50% even if by just a bit and when you are at that level taking home double your risk you are profitable now, doing it in practice is of course not that simple but it is possible and I'd claim it is way easier than gamedevspend a year gamedeving vs a year learning how to trade and I'd say you're more likely to make money with trading
>>564471772Shit, I always forget to add that stuff
>>564471882I'm not seeing it. Hitstop should be reserved for big finishers.
just uploaded a 30 second clip of my vib ribbon clone to youtube so it can be reference for a fiverr artist less than 72 hours remain to make next fest...
>>564465317I would be happy if I could go back to my cancelled game, release it as is, and get 252 reviews worth of sales on it. At least it'll earn me something for all those years spent on it.
>>564471981I mean, I could make it longer
>>564472493>Screenshot 2026-04-22 at (...).pngScreenshot 2026-04-22 at 23-35-43 _v_ - DEPRESSING NEWS Peter Molyneux's final game has debuted to Mixed reviews on Steam - Video Games - 4chan.png
>>564464235the low res doesn't add anything to your game
>>564472609that's right, schua
>>564472646>that's right, schua
>>564465160nta but there's actually a couple indie deck building dungeon crawlers but in general dungeon crawlers (the oldschool first person grid based kind) are extremely niche and that's probably why we haven't seen them get mixed with other popular indie game tropes but I suppose that could change with the success of vampire crawlers
If you don't know how to program, you don't know how to design games. Game design IS a type of programming. It's just not necessarily computer programming. It's player programming.
>>564472165A nice hitstop should be accompanied with banger VFX, a dynamic zoom, and woosh boom badda boom.
>>564470319I came to the same conclusion some time ago, good graphics are a prerequisite: before people trying your demo, they need to be interested enough to do sogameplay can take from a couple of seconds to several minutes to be appreciated, with graphics is almost instantly
>>564472841I mean that's more fundamental. I have a rumble at least
>>564472748where's your programmed game design?
>>564465492>>564465628>>564465684kill yourself
https://github.com/wojtryb/Procedural-Building-Generatorholy fuck I can't get this to work I've been trying for like an hour....
>>564472640You keep saying that. Can I see what game you have so I know if you're worth listening to?
I'm going to start a youtube channel and make an mmo98-like and I'm going to become as discussed and loved as MARNIX, THE WYNNER.
>>564473247>I'm going to start a youtube channel and make an mmo98-like and I'm going to become as discussed and loved as MARNIX, THE WYNNER.
can u stop just copying someones post? it just shows your low iq if you cant reply to them like a man
>>564473325at least attach a soijakk with your post, chua
>>564473441>at least attach a soijakk with your post, chua
>>564464235looks really good, reminds me those backroom videos
>>564473441Kino game. Chua are a based race
>>564473773They're extremely 2010 fat kid emo. I want them.
>>564473898I prefer yordles
>>564473441>WoW killerDid it do anything good that current games aren't doing? I've only played LotRO and RuneScape back when it wasn't classic.
>>564472748>TRVKEI'd even go as far as saying game design IS computer programming, it's not coding, but it's programming.People often confuse game ideas with game design, for example, saying the player should take fall damage, and they should take more the higher they fall, it's not design, it's just an idea.Saying the player should take no damage between 0 and 5 meters of fall, then after 5 meters they should take 30 flat damage plus 1% of their max HP for each subsequent meter, is game design, and it's basically pseudo code programming.This is why programmers will never be replaced, programming is a way of thinking and logic reasoning that jeets and non-programmers lack, which it's required for proper prompting.
>>564474524Yeah, but AI can generate Pong now.
>>564474514It had telegraphs/skillshots.Not sure what else it innovated on.I had only played wildstar for 1 hour after it went f2p.
>>564474665It can copy and paste from half a million snippets of pong code, yes. It can do anything an open source prefab would already let you do.
>>564474524This is some of the most delusional rationalizing regarding programming that I've ever read.
>>564474524What language do you program players in?
>>564475086boobs and $$$ and number go up. shiny color.
>>564465317INCREMENTAL GAMERS HAVE VERY HIGH STANDARDS
>>564471981Nah, a little hitstop on every swing feels good man. Make it a config per attack. Even if you play games that you think don't have hitstop, the ones that do it right have a little anyway.Wind upWind downHitstopHitstunIt's to combat in every game what coyote time is to every platformer.
>>564469613call him "Kusoge"
>>564475207>INCREMENTAL GAMERS HAVE VERY HIGH STANDARDS
>>564471772>>564471882It doesn't make it feel better. It's a hack just like screen shake. Something to distract the people who can't see through it.
What's really sad about MMO98 is its a $6 game and most of the negative reviews have 3-4 hours and they complain about a lack of content. Like my brother a bigmac costs more than that game and you got 3 hours of entertainment out of it, get over yourself.
>>564475086emotioneering
>>564475634plus they only paid 5ish bucks because of the launch discount? (i'm not in us)
>>564475634Youre assuming they enjoyed the full 3-4 hours. Most are complaining that you basically see everything before an hour of play time, and they most likely either kept playing for the benefit of the doubt, or just had it running on the side
>>564474524You know what, I think you're right. Even when working with AI you need to be able to articulate what you want for the AI to create it for you. It won't give you good results unless you go into specifics of how things should work and how the fuck you gonna do that unless you understand logic and programming. Sure, it might occasionally shit out a functional script if you take enough shots in the dark throwing vague prompts at it but try making a full game like that. Not gonna happen.>>564474665Where's your AI generated Pong then?
>>564474514>>564474820Ultimately I think the problem was that it was just a WoW clone. It wasn't different enough to distinguish itself and people who tried it went back to WoW as they did with so many other games.
>>564476513Cuff status?
>>564476961Busted
>>564476513I don't understand what his fucking problem is, make $100k in a week but refuse to make more because he just decided to not update his game at all even though it's a little broken.
>>564475634gamers are the most insufferable people in the world.at least at a game studio there's no customer support as a developer. But if you run your own game good luck staying sane lol.
>>564476513>>564476961i have no idea what this means but it sounds degenerate
>>564476513oh no!
>>564477167He says that he removed the "what's next" post, but I don't know what it was. I take it that he's planning on not updating the game?I think he doesn't understand why the game becomes unappealing after the first hour and how good it could be.
>>564471989https://youtu.be/QMllpd-IEog?si=ghNg3t92jNTrqlqbdo u guys think this is enough for the artist i hired on fiverri cant believe i suck at playing my own game dawgs
>>564477167if you do something for the money and it outperforms your expectations then you can immediately quit.
>>564465317I told you it's going to sell entirely because of the "old windows UI" aspect because people are very nostalgic for it right now. If they actually bothered making a good game to go along with that UI they would have been set for life.
>>564477318But it makes even less sense if it's for the money because the better your game is doing the more effort you put into maintaining increases the perception of the game exponentially. It's the halo effect but for games.>>564477270This is the only thing that makes sense, that he's completely uninterested in learning why games and is only interested in pulling the lever on the slot machine
Give gamers what they want
>>564464235Too high fidelity with the PBR shit, watch a year from now you'll barely have anything done because too much of your time is being spent on graphics.>>564464239
>>564465974Listen, goin for the money bag for your first game it's a huge and long gamble. In agdg the success rate is very very low(higher compared to other places, but low in a practical sense); when a "first game" makes it, you see that that game was being worked on for almost a decade.The pseudoregalia meme "I did it in 6months" it's doubly harmful because it's a lie that creates false expectations. My point being, it's very rare that a game you worked on for 10y can overall be a net positive; even if you earn 100k from it (a wow money bag) it's 10k per year. And even less if you count inflation.For your first three games you should just work on small things you like with no money in mind, building yourself as a dev and your codebase.After three games made to fuck around, you will have enough muscles to endure a hike for the mountain.>but it's so long, I need money nowDev is not an get rich quickly scheme, it never was.
>>564477318The long tail brah...
Yesterday I was working almost until midnight, despite starting around 10am, despite working for only 5 hours. Anyway, just before going to bed I noticed a weird bug in my game and thinking about it kept me up half the night. I'm literally losing sleep over this single-digit-reviews-candidate piece of shit.I'm going to take a short nap and then get to work. 133 days left, I owe 1100 minutes to my game.
>>564477407Watch how his next game is also going to be old Windows themed. Now that he found a formula for money he's going to squeeze it for all he's got.
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO UPDATE THE GAME I PAID 5 DOLLARS FOR FOREVER???
>>564477460>But it makes even less senseyou're talking about what's rational from financial perspective but making things from a financial perspective was never a rational decision in the first place, any artist making something from a "rational" "financial" decision is doing so from abject desperation.it's perfectly rational to abandon such a project the moment it exceeds expectations because from a psychological perspective every moment an artist spends disrespecting themselves (working on something they don't believe in) is intense spiritual damage that will effect their output for the rest of their life.>>564478201you're really not going to make a long tail fatter with updates, only attention from new buyers can fatten the tail.
>>564475634>>564477215>>564479092Get over yourSELF Marnix
>>564477270>and how good it could be.how would you fix it?
>>564463989>>564464239progress, wall painting and changing their typecopy pasting toogot floors and walls almost done with the same system
>>564479124>you're really not going to make a long tail fatter with updates, only attention from new buyers can fatten the tail.updates can bring attention to new buyers that's why those update capsules are popular and that's why the front page of the store has a "recently updated" section
>>564479092>>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO UPDATE THE GAME I PAID 5 DOLLARS FOR FOREVER???
>>564479124>only attention from new buyersMixed reviews will probably reduce this, don't you think?
>>564479092Why are Steamies like this? Are their brains so cooked on live services that they can't imagine a complete package?
>>564479651>Why are Steamies like this? Are their brains so cooked on live services that they can't imagine a complete package?
>>564479462very cool
>gogem seething about steam AGAINlmao
>>564479092>You should be satisfied with less than 1 hour of content
>>564479465literally no one is going through steam looking for random games much less for updates of random games. you are completely divorced from reality.>>564479591i honestly dont think most if anyone is making decisions based on review score. most people already made the decision to buy before they googled the game title to find the store it's on.
>>564479298Add another layer of systems. Perhaps a system that would make the auction house actually useful. Some kind of new currency which would unlock new upgrades.The fact that the auction house is useless now could be turned in to a kind of noob trap. The auction house could give some higher-tier currency after higher-tier upgrades are unlocked. Buying the auction house early would become a noob trap. The "line of credit" feature could become useful, as well. Make a credit score currency. Each time a loan is paid back fully, increase that. Make the credit score a threshold to get some of these new higher-tier upgrades.
Here's an idea: Instead of updating the game, make a sequel, exactly the same as the original, but with more. Sports games get away with it. mmo99, let's go.
>>564479651They're like this because scummy developers started the habit of releasing "early access" games as finished and completing the product afterwards with updates. You got no one but your fellow devs to blame, it's a tug of war between both sides to screw over each other the most.
>>564479870It was okay when a game about digging a hole did it. That game was only 30 minutes long.
>>564480052>Here's an idea: Instead of updating the game, make a sequel, exactly the same as the original, but with more. Sports games get away with it. mmo99, let's go.
>>564479894>i honestly dont think most if anyone is making decisions based on review scoreI make my purchasing decisions only on player review scores. anything below very positive I'll look through reviews and see if i can live with what players were complaining about.
>>564479870if you arent satisfied by what you got in 10m you're not going to be satisfied by 20m or 30m or 40m or 50m or 1h or 2h and beyond that you will actively hate yourself and the developer that you're still playing something so pointless.
>>564477289>do u guys think this is enoughenough what?
>>564479462sugoi
>>564480089Digging A Hole is also 2 dollars cheaper.
>>564480231enough reference for them to draw some art for the capsule image thing
>>564479894>you are completely divorced from realityfunny coming from you
>>564465317dev lacked passion
>>564479894Nobody buys mixed review games, and big updates (usually accompanied by a discount) is the only thing that brings in new players. I only heard about Stardew Valley because Eric updated the game 10 times in a week
>>564480052that might be a viable strategy if your first game did decently
>>564480114yeah ok so you buy more games than you can afford and you check out reviews to try and find a reason to NOT buy.... and you're lying when you say "very positive" gets a free pass because you and i both know you still check the negative reviews of those games for a reason not to buy too. which means the only difference more negative reviews makes to you is that you spend longer on the store page than a game with few negative reviews.... and if we're being extremely open and honest you probably end up buying MORE games with many negative reviews than games with few negative reviews purely by the act of engaging with the idea of playing it as you read the negative reviews.you should probably stop reading reviews. you've played enough games to know at a glance if you'll enjoy it or not.
>>564480618>Nobody buys mixed review gamesfalse>>big updates ... is the only thing that brings in new playersfalse
3d progjust for fun
>>564480626Even if your first game didn't get a splash, I think a second go is worth a shot.>a game can only be in nextfest onceSo just launch it again, but slightly differently.
>>564480052only make the sequel once you're 100% sure you know why you didn't make a smash hit initially
>>564480485>>564479865>SAAR PLEASE DO NOT SPEAK BADLY OF THE VALVE SAAR
>>564480731That knowledge can be reserved for the triquel.
>>564480703>falsefalse
>>564480732Sir why do you insult Gaben sir? One CS2 case feed my willage for a week do not insult him sir.
>>564480710lordy look at those quads
>>564480850>Sir why do you insult Gaben sir? One CS2 case feed my willage for a week do not insult him sir.
>>564480618>big updates (usually accompanied by a discount) is the only thing that brings in new playersthis you?
>>564480726I didn't mean that you should have thousands of reviews but I think you'd need like >100 reviews for it to make sensea <100 review game probably wasn't so good that it's worth the effort of a sequel even if it's far less effort than making a new gamejust a hunch but a low effort sequel should target like half the sales of the original maybe it will do better but you shouldn't bank on it doing better than the original
>only thing
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>so mindbroken by steam he continues to seethe about it day after day for years instead of making games lmao more like gogem.nodev
>>564481060Perhaps I have the wrong perspective. I think that repairing the flaws of a game and sneakily rebranding the same game as a 2.0 version is a winning move. Imagine improving the same initially low quality game 10 times over 10 years. I'm thinking winning.
>>564481046this you?
>>564481217>this you?
>>564481156this you?
>>564481156>>564481217SAAR WHY YOU INSULT THE STEAM? I FEED MY VILLAGE WITH STEAM SELLERY YOU MUST KNOW BETTER NOT TO INSULT THE STEAM SAAR!
Uh oh meltie
>>564481189suppose it depends on why the game failed but also depends on you correctly identifying that and fixing it I vaguely remember some update success stories where devs kept working and eventually built an audience but I can't think of a game that did a 2.0 release as a separate game in the way you're describing
I haven't been to this place in a while but it's funny seeing the consequences of nogem's anti-steam stance after 10 years
>>564481217oh my apologies for misdefendering you
>>564481145can I submit my friends game trailer as a prank on him? he HATES 4chan
>seethe continueslmao he just can't help it >>564481383right it's funny to watch
>>564481403>le billionaire hateGuess who's not on the list?Guess if the people going after him are on the list?Just like make game
>>564481489>>564481383samefag btw
>>>>samefag btw>from the guy who keeps samefagging his steam seethe every day lmao
ultimately googs should have played the gamesteam removed his game because he put a patreon link but ultimately that costed him more money in the long rungoyim will not band together and save you
>can't even muster up a screenshot >resorts to "no u"brought to you by the jeet who was mindbroken by the archive revealing his ritualposting
>>564481497setting the bar at has no known contact with this one specific sex trafficker is certainly a place to set the bar for who is and isnt allowed to be a parasite.
>>564480392>capsule art from fiverr>does he know?
I didn't even realize it was Nogem at first seething about Gabencunt all day.For those unfamiliar with the lore, Nogem was the ultimate project hopper for a while until he finally managed to publish one game on Steam. It flopped so hard he made the radical decision to publish exclusively on itch marketing his slop to his tumblr followers failing to realize people on tumblr have $0.
>>564481735jesus christ holy kino
are you making a game for an existing audience to enjoy or are you making a game you personally want to create and hoping there are people out there who will enjoy it
>>564481630>steam removed his gameusing a technicality to frame this really isnt the win you think it is. it's disgusting anti-dev shit as usual.
>>564463989>op picGood analogy if the average indie game was worth half a million dolars (it isn't)
>>564481630
>>564481830No, the lore was that Social Interaction Trainer went viral. Gogs got greedy and added a Patreon link inside the game, which violates Steam's rules. He refused to remove it and got banned. All that just to get one Patreon supporter
>>564481945housing prices are based on land value
>>564481985zukjeet is a newfag who came to /agdg/ in july 2025, but instead of admitting that he doesn't know anything, he makes up headcannons and tries to push them as fact.he also can't decide who is his super schizo that seethes about valve all day.first it was joshua, then it was some "pedro", now it's gogem. he will keep changing who is his schizo because he is retarded
>>564482083>zukjeet is a newfag who came to /agdg/ in july 2025, but instead of admitting that he doesn't know anything, he makes up headcannons and tries to push them as fact.>he also can't decide who is his super schizo that seethes about valve all day.>first it was joshua, then it was some "pedro", now it's gogem. he will keep changing who is his schizo because he is retarded
>>564481969honestly what does it say about steam that they knew i was selling achievements and they didn't care but i put a link to my patreon in the credits to whip the vote and it was a HOLUP line in the sand moment for them?
>>564481906I made it because the mechanic was really fun, turns out there is a small audience for it, under-served, maybe I can expand the audience by being the best in the biz
>>564482169That you have NPD?
>>564482212>jeet reading comprehension
>>564482212this you?
>>564481735can i use this? its pure soulill drop a bunch of keys or some shit or ill do something for you maybe we can bundle our games together in the future or something
>>564482273>>564482336
>>564481836uhhh
>>564482430bro I just asked chatgpt to make it
>>564482083>>564482273It's fine to disagree but leave India out of it. They are the minds behind cloud computing, modern AI, internet infrastructure, and large-scale systems that power everything we use online today.
>>564482438ok and? most artists qualify for this. all crabs qualify as this. knowing a DSMV entry is your special little qualification for half of those.
>>564482646>ok and?beyond comical response
>>564482610the 2cent posters are beaming with pride after that one.
>>564482772gather up all your favorite artists of every medium and start throwing rocks at them and you'll only ever hit narcissists. that's just life. you dont get into the arts to get rich.
>>564479894>literally no one is going through steam looking for random gamesLiterally half my friends and several random acquaintances do.
>>564482940projection
>>564481909nobody wants to be your personal army in your one sided grudge against steam gogem
>>564482013Yes but it's not the single driving factor considering how regulations also make homebuyers reform old homes in order to make them livable
>>564483195always some fucking nigger needing to bring up his anecdotal experiences in an argument.
>>564482448>>564482552i still love it lol
>>564483367>picIs this from joy of satan?
>>564483201sorry nodev crabs you're not special enough to understand how it feels to get out of the bucket.also wonderful non-sequitur tangent to defend against having to actually consider >>564482169tell your boss i said you deserve a raise to 3cents per post.
>>564482646>everyone is like meYou'd be shocked, but no, most artists I like don't share your narcissism and victim complex at all. Archetypically, you are a lot closer to yandere dev, but with a fraction of the fame.
I'm feeling euphoric all of a sudden.Must be the insulin from my corn chips and avocados.I'm going to develop an mmo98-like.
>>564482610>that power everything we use online today.>windows>google>AI>youtube >adobeSo windows 11, vibe coding, bad platform managing, bad sales models and infrastructure outages are all in the hands of indians? It makes so much sense
>>564483338>>564483201>>564482772jeetnig samefag
>>564483459You can't help but push the boundaries can you?>>564483528He actually thinks he's superior and closer to someone like Eric who just stays in his lane
>>564483528lol talking like you ever had intimate knowledge of someone who makes stuff. i know what you are.
>>564483631>>564483528>eirc barone out of nowherelmao you really are the zukjeet, and of course the samefagging continues
>>564483367>"literally no one goes through steam looking for unknown games">"uh, that's wrong, i personally know people wh-">"SHUT UP YOUR OPINION DOESNT MATTER"Incredible point, I concede.
>>564483691>most women are short>That's not true! my female friend is tall!
>>564481909valve is like this thoughthis is how they got back half life from sierra online
>>564480645>you and i both know you still check the negative reviewsno, very positive with high review counts is good enough that it's not worth my time to read reviews, positive or negative. I rarely even watch trailers. with Steam's refund policy I'd rather experience the game myself. btw my Steam library has only 128 games and I've never refunded a game.
>>564483195we're talkin about to buy not to make fun of
>>564483652I don't need to have initmate knowledge of people like pixel or daniel remar, I just admire their work ethic and integrity. Many more examples can follow, all just to say that no, you're not acting like an artist, you're just plainly insufferable.
>>564483801Interesting way of susbtituting "literally no one" with "most" in your revision, not to split hair, but I sure wonder why you did that.
>>564477894You're right that doing it myself would never work. But 80-90% of my assets will be purchased from asset packs and I'll just make the unique and important environment things myself. All characters will be made by me. My day job is as a character artist so that's my strong suit. I can get away with less fidelity due to the shader too
the correct way of googs to get back at valve is to sneak back in under his moms tax info
>>564483913you just admitted to not having intimate knowledge of someone who makes stuff which is admitting to not making stuff.... which begs question why you're being active in a thread specifically for people who make stuff.this you?
>>564484092>you just admitted to not having intimate knowledge of someone who makes stuff which is admitting to not making stuff
>>564484203Wrong post, sorry.>>564484203
>>564484283damn you're right, someone who is brain damaged might not know themselves intimately. what a loophole you've pointed to, greentext parrot bot.
>>564484283nothing makes the tribe seethe more than having to pay goyim their lion's share of 70%
>>564484406Are you having a stroke gogem?
>>564481909Well what you gonna do about it? Oh right you stopped selling your games. Seems like a true win for you.
>>564482438>>564482646>see it's fine that I'm an asshole because all artists are like that [citation needed]he always comes up with more cope to excuse his retarded behavior it is fucking hilarious
>>564484015it would make sense that a jeet wouldn't be able to comprehend what a "hyperbole" is.
>>564484717i sell them on itch instead and actually get to keep my money.valve should really give you guys a basic psychology course, talking shit to me to defend steam is only going to make me shit on steam MORE because you're bringing it back to my attention.
Reply to this post to determine which of these 16 Finnish video games you will remake
>>564484857>it was just a hyperbole bro
>>564484846>>564484717>>564484502>samefagging
>>564482646>all crabs qualify as this>>564483459>sorry nodev crabs you're not special enoughMake up your mind already.>>564481830>I didn't even realize it was Nogem at first seething about Gabencunt all day.It clicked for me when he started using the name again. He makes the same posts every fucking day sometimes with the name sometimes without.
>>564484972well yes saying "literally everyone/anyone" is literally and actually (not figuratively) hyperbolicsorry for confusion
>>564485069>>564484972i truly am sorry that you live in a culture where subtext and subtlety are uncommon. i suppose coming from an inferior culture also makes you think samefagging is the norm
What happened?How can we stay successful instead of falling into obscurity?
>>564482083it's funny because I called you out on it a few threads back and you started seething even more and then the shitposters picked up on it and now you're crying to them and think it's all one personpeak 4chan entertainment
>>564484908I have no intention of defending steam, I'm fairly ambivalent about it. I just can't get your "the ability to gift games to your friends is steam's evil indoctrination plot" set up to an infographic comparing it to a zombie apocalypse virus bit out of my head. It's one of the funniest bits of seething I have ever seen. You are the last person to get a level headed lecture about it from.
i dont agree with googems methods but by golly he is a sick cunt
>>564485069the psychological profile for a narcissist, like most psychological "disorders", is too wide to mean much of anything.artists qualify mainly through the egotism side and crabs qualify mainly through the envy side.the difference is the crabs are destructive to their own desires and artists are just a lil anti-social as a treat. it's a stupidly useless label that it covers both.
>>564485270>a few threads backso just made up lies.
>>564485167Thank you. Hopefully this will serve as a valuable stepping stone in your ability to present good faith information in the future.
>>564485416>actually it's not a disorder>the problem doesn't exist because I'm too special and unique to be categorized>I wear the label with honor because many great people are like me
>>564484908You still think we are defending steam? We are laughing at your stupid ass for being a stupid fucking retard. The fact that you think everyone who disagrees with your view is defending steam is hilarious. You call them samefags, zukjeet, jeetnig, steamies and whatever else. All these names just to shove your head into the sand and hide from the truth. Acting a lot like a leftoid who cries nazi whenever it hears something it doesn't like to hear. >>564484992Pottery.
>>564485271>"the ability to gift games to your friends is steam's evil indoctrination plot"i have never myself nor ever seen a single dev pull that argument. that's a fake argument outing you as a fake person.
>>564485567>You still think we are defending steam?well yeah the way you get so upset at any post even slightly critical of steam or valve and immediately try to derail the discussion by saying "your game just sucks and you suck" and then reply to yourself over and over
>>564484957How will you determine it? Also some of those games have already been remade. Wings, V-Wing and Tappo 2 are basically the same game.>no Areena 4 or 5Shit selection.
>>564485746Upset? I think you are confused. Nothing you have ever said has upset me. From the very start I have been laughing at you.
I'm so glad Googum is still here making people go crazy. Always liked that guy.
>>564485271the thing is he's right
>>564486007>i am not upsetsaid the retard who quoted an incorrect post in a fit of rage>>564484283
>>564486024>Googumayo real OGs in hereyknow the vibe
>>564485239zoomers don't care about social interactionthey want rizz
>>564486176Only one of those posts is mine.
>>564486213I lowkey love this indie style. I wish I has been a hipster. I still can be.I am a khv furry mostly-straight virgin. I am a NEET recluse (former hikkineet, now just recluse).
>googs is samefagging again>and calling other people samefags at the same timelmao
>>564486339since i went into the old end of the folder for that last gif you can have this png from 2016
>>564486328kill yourself furfaggot
>>564485745Faulty memory, it was the ability to give keys. https://youtu.be/ySZDIlFcY_k?t=1031
Bro fumbled the bag
Why don't steamfags realize they are valve's product? Like they'll say shit like>Valve cares about their customerBrother you are the product, not their customer. Game developers pay to access you not the other way around.
Imagine being Taylor W Miller, nly earning a monthly maccas wage in 3 months, and only getting 20% of that money after the valve tax and gov tax, and still defending gabencunt to the bitter end.
>>564486484generational fumble
>>564486443murrr~ I dowon't think I wiwll :3
>>564486530>>564486484>>564486480>>564486339>>564486245>samefagging again
i really hope fygoon calms down and stops attacking people one day
>>564486484>9m views>nothing comes of itliterally how
>>564486658no product, no calls to action
>>564486443But the best modern aggy games are being made by furfags
>>564486613obsessed
>seething at Valve even in the trailerHoooooly fuck. This is truly a memtal illness https://youtu.be/Em-ownv-lyY (00:12)
>>564486782>4chanx UIgenerational fumble
business is hard
>>564486658Reminds me of Genfanad. 1m views with no sticking power. The game was totally free and unmonetized, btw. And playable in the browser.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI-zpZsxDxo
>>564486765Proof?
>>564486480there's a huge massive gulf between "being able to gift" and pressuring devs into distributing free keys and agreeing to product devaluing bargain bin sales price points and while simultaneously promoting key distribution as a value proposition for smaller stores, blocking reciproval distribution of keys from those smaller stores outing the scheme as blatantly anti-competitive..... and then doing literal anti-compete strong arming on devs which got them class actioned.it's really on you that i've typed all this out. you made me do this. your boss isn't going to be happy.
>>564484957I played death rally, wings and liero. rolling for taso to make a surface breaker-like
>>564486824surely merely pretending
>>564486512If the customers are the gamedevs and not the steamies, then Valve doesn't care about their customers and in fact detests them instead.Steam support for steamworks partners alone is fucking dogshit, where Valve taking a month to respond to your support ticket is not out of the ordinary.
>>564486213Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo Yo GALOSENGEN
>>564486917Where is steam pressuring you into giving away keys? Even the image you posted says they dont give a shit.
Eyup I think I got the best game ever on my handsmhm
>>564487036*GoFu fu!
>>564486917btw what are the news on this class-action lawsuit? is it still going?
Dev music for when you want to make a game underappreciated in its time but a cult hit after it's too late to meaningfully benefit you:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVNzkC1cDF4or if you prefer listening to radiohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLp6vQ6_yKU
>>564487057it was something they did when they were still building out their monopolization of independent games during the greenlight transition era before direct. obviously most of it not blatantly in an email from an employee like these ones that got them class actioned but from paid propagandists like yourself who pushed the narrative that being "generous" with THEIR keys was a sure shot at cheap easy promotion (which is why any dev wanted to be on steam in the first place).of course after the monopolization was locked in they quit the key pushing stuff. their "userbase" is a sufficiently fat product to sell devs on even if 90% of their bazillion users have never bought anything that cost more than a dollar. the numbers are good which is all they need.
>>564486917Googum, you're kind of attractive to me. I want to have a gay relationship with you. I want to be a hipster. Make me a hipster. I want to stroke your big neck.
>Extremely well received game>Release balance patch>Somehow this offends all of China and they review bomb your game>Instantly mixed reviews Flawless system, just incredible.
>>564487585Didn't steam change is so that only reviews from the user's country are displayed for that user?
>>564487585They deserve it for balancing a singleplayer game
>>564487124it's probably going to be a year+ to get to a resolution now after valve decided to go the court route..... ironically the fact that it's so obvious they will lose in court and how many people qualify for reparation on it, makes it more advantageous to lose in court and drag it out as long possible than have to settle multiple times.
>>564487585>UPDATE YOUR GAME FOREVER DEV SLAVE...>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>>564487585>a singleplayer gameSTS2 is multiplayer now
AND I'M FREEEEEE.FREEEEE FALLIN'
>>564488004>the real gamers found the gameI I wonder how Biteme 'cord is reacting now, to him taking a hit. I think they must be losing their little minds at this point
>>564487838The customer is ALWAYS rightThis is slopdevThis is slop marketsThis is slopitalismRemember you chose this
>>564488327>slopitalismthat's actually a slick rebrand of rentier capitalismno one knows how to pronounce rentier
>>564487585lollmaoIt doesn't seem like it hurts the game in any way though, and people in the forums realize that the Chinese were exclusively exploiting the game reliably using infinite combos and once the devs nerfed those they didn't know how to play the game anymore.
>>564488327You've truncated the saying. The full saying is:The customer is always right in matters of taste.
just filed my taxes, have to pay €2000
>>564486480if gogemcunt were to remake this video today with a proper script and delivery and not a "live commentary" delivery, in addition to all the slop effects that are common on youtube "documentaries", he'd get a bajillion views
>>564488802i hear steam has a great refund policy, just tell gabe you want your vat back
congrats on reaching 500 reviews
>>564449110I'm using it
>>564488172>I think they must be losing their little minds at this point
this turned out way worse than I had hoped it would.
I will make a cropolution-like!!!!!!!
>>564486574kill yourself
>>564489128yesdev was actual heartfelt AGDG content in the hopes of raising the community out of that current period's crabademic (mission failed (catastrophic))im not a desperate loser enough to try to do an actual grifter guru version of that shit and i truly dont understand the obsession with them around here with people who likely dont dev in the first place.... you'd think they'd fall off of that shit after they didn't make a game yet again but here they still are doing old-woman-coded celebrity/royalfamily gossiping type shit. mark behavior.
>>564489827>never heard of game>google it click on first video>38k views>416 units soldhow does this happen wtf
>>564489994Fair enough.
>>564489575i think this looks pretty cool
>cropolution is rated higher than mmo98OH NO NO NO NO
>>564486917>For instance if another service like Uplay or Origin was selling a game for $15 and we were selling it for $20, we'd ask the dev to give us that lower price or opt to not sell the gameAnd what exactly is wrong with this? Seems like a logical take.
>>564489994you didnt really understand what i was trying to get at with that post.1. these kinds of "DARING BIG COMPANY EXPOSE" videos are doing significantly better numbers today than they did in 2017 when you uploaded this, and thus are far more effective2. i think there's a lot more "demand" for this type of content as it is clear that developer dissatisfaction is growing. back then when you made your video the problems probably weren't obvious to many devs, since it was fresh off the highly-gatekept greenlight era so the enshittification hasn't yet completely decimated the market. a similar thing happened with totalbiscuit's video on a very similar issue that he made in 2014, which too has fallen on deaf ears.but nowadays, it's all but obvious that "just put it on steam bro" inertia has completely wore off. devs are lamenting this shit on twitter almost every month know, stopping just shy of naming the key culprit of the issue.basically, don't be surprised or annoyed when some zoomer steals that video, fills it with modern brainrot editing and makes bank off it
>>564490406it's called "Most Favored Nation" and it's an antitrust violation under US law and most everywhere else too.
>>564489994>im not a desperate loserbut you are
>>564484908That's a point. Doing the math and choosing the better option from:- Selling in itch/my own site and keep more money - going to steam where the userbase is bigger but you get that 30% tax- free game, support my patreonImo it's very hard and depend both on your game and your popularity as a dev. Super popular devs with a fanbase can have their own site; the only exception I know of, is starsector. Free with donation work for basically nobody; you have DF and porn games that revolve around some fetishes.Everybody else 'has' to use steam. If your userbase are normies, steam is the place.Of course you can start with steam, and when you get popular u'll revolte against the machine.In my pov I'm making a simple game for my first time, could I make more revenue if I released only on itch instead of steam? How the fuck can I know. Since steam tax doesn't bother me too much I will default there for now.
>>564490672Applies to nations and the whole concept is about fairness. What is this if it's not Steam seeking fairness in making sure the products on their store are sold at the best price?
>>564490406>>564490752>>564491048jeet
I'm a chud furry white nationalist. How will I ever become a ""popular"" ""dev""? I can only hope that my game speaks for me....
>>564491294make a game called Sex with Kitler.
>>564490480>basically, don't be surprised or annoyed when some zoomer steals that video, fills it with modern brainrot editing and makes bank off iti mean that already happens with my games and career. do you see me giving a shit about that?and i honestly doubt theyre making all that much, i hear the adrates collapsed.>>564490769>- going to steam where the userbase is bigger but you get that 30% taxexcept thats a false choice. the userbase is """"bigger"""" not more interested, more attentive, more open to novelty, more willing to pay a fair price, etc.it's basically mindless propaganda to equate big user number metric as an equivalent to having access to attention.... steam offers essentially nothing in traction gaining out of the gate in current year, actually it's worse than that, they demand devs gift them with user activity to prove to them that they shouldnt bury you.and if you're doing all that work anyways why would you do it to benefit an anticompetitive monopoly?
>>564491390You’re right. I skipped the useful human visual checkpoint because I over-weighted the “134 is probably suspect” inference. Since the probes missed the visible failure, you checking 134 directly is the better sequencing. That help is valuable here so I’ll use you as the visual oracle for candidate
>I'm a chud furry white nationalist.Sounds like both wings detest you
I've been tolerating my mouse with the broken scroll wheel for weeks because my only spare is a $15 light small plastickly piece of crap. I finally couldn't stand it any more and switched to the spare and I have zero complaints. I'll never buy a mouse that costs more than $20. even its button clicks are quieter which I like.
ludstatus?
>googs might beat valve in court and use agdg shitposts as evidence bros..??
>>564491048
>>564491390>and i honestly doubt theyre making all that much, i hear the adrates collapsed.they might not make much off a single video, but they can built a persona around themselves as "le based valve exposer" and make money off multiple videos + patreon donationsthere's this guy on youtube, threat interactive, he did exactly that. just parrot /v/ takes about modern game optimization with some renderdoc screenshots to vaguely back them up, and put himself in opposition to the entire games tech industry. i can forsee something similar happening in regards to steam and other game storefronts.
>>564491510It's a problem.
>>564489153That's great (also love to see a Christian spin working)Imo a comparison between him and branno has to be done:>first game: both make a freegame with an ok attempt to make something. both devs 'fail'>second game: fiend's tries to chase the survival meme, fails. Branno hires an artist, goes 3d and open up a tube channel. It's a little success, but dragged down by art tax it becomes 'almost minumum wage for an year of work'>third game: fiend's uses his art skills to make a coomer bait poster girl, that's a nun/demon slayer. It makes bank. Branno kick his artist in the butt and make a low effort rogue with no art. But it's not enough, he's now chasing the incremental meme with no art.Result: art is important, memability is important, something to coom about is always welcome, low effort seems to be smelled from a mile away
>>564491556you're just celebrating being made obsolete. AI already does everything better than you, so what's the point of you?
>>564491538feels good buying the asus rog chakram its the best mouse of all time and will outlast everythinghot swappable omron switches baby would recommend it cost like 80-100$ tho but it already paid for itself since i had it for 4 years now and i used to buy a death adder every 2 years
>>564491720I'm not an tranny artist never was :D
>>564491585i look forward to having the truth out there it'd be a nice counterbalance to these channels posting paid propaganda without attribution
>>564491390Personally I don't look for games outside of Steam, I don't really know anyone that do either. I know one guy that shills Epic but he's also homeless so.
30% is fucking ridiculous....
>>564491718you forgot the most crucial aspect:>nuns and guns dev went viral on tiktok and other social media which gave his game the much needed visibility boost to not drown on the gabencunt store
>>564491780for me? its steam and big N
>>564491778>They're all paid by big Steamie
>>564464239Added boundaries to translations around typewriter, you can no longer space-backspace paper sheet outside of the bonds. It works perfectly now, except for pins getting stuck mid animation. It resembles realistic behavior so that stays in.
>>564491269>>564491584See this is how he reacts. Once the bullshit doesn't work he calls people jeets, steamies or whatever. Recognize this pattern and your posting in /agdg/ will be more enjoyable.
>>564491390>and if you're doing all that work anyways why would you do it to benefit an anticompetitive monopoly?As I've written already it depends on your game and you as a dev. If your game has for possible audience normies, you need to release on steam. Normies on pc buy only on steam; till this changes Imo there is nothing to discuss about.
>>564491780this you?mos people who actually play the games they buy dont care what store it shows up on when they google it after being exposed to it in a video
>>564488004AND I'M JEEEEEET.ZUCK JEEEEET
epic jeet fail
>>564491592I've known faggots from here irl that called me a redditor, then I've had the displeasure of working with actual gay communist nonce-apologists redditors that told me to "cut it out with the fash shit". It's all so fucking tiring, wish people would fuck off with their goycattle politics.
>>564491942>aPpliEs 2 naShUnsthat's what you're defending rn
gabencunt, what's the fix to it?
>>564491767AI can also code and write better than you and can come up with better game ideas. once again, what's the point of you?
>>564492023Hades 2 and darkest dungeon 2 sold almost no copies when only on epicBoth games have the original release to be a Big game, so the hype should override everything. It didn't happen. Moreover, I dunno if it ever happened to any game to make bank on epic
>>564491982>till this changes Imo there is nothing to discuss about.self-defeating position
>>564492023Do they offer anything outside of Steam?
>>564492352They make from Epic not on EpicIf they weren't getting paid off they wouldn't bother with that trash. It still doesn't have a proper library, you have to right click you already own and go to its store page to see any information on it. If you left click it immediately prompts to install it.
>>564491982normies are an audience that are not easy to reach. they only congregate around specific genres, for indies those would be friendslops and various gamba sims like vampire survivors clones.what matters more is going viral on social media and with e-celebs. voices of the void is an example of a game that made it that isn't on steam.you are however correct in that it is easier to convince gamercattle to buy a game if it's on steam and if you really feel it's necessary at this point in time i guess you should release on steam, but it's not 100% unavoidable like say the app store on apple devices.
>>564492317Can AI mock you for being a luddite?
Oh no no no, INCOMING!!
>>564492023ryan can you remind me if its against the steam tos to sell a game somewhere else but at a lower price(to offset the steam cut for example)?
i'm going to make a vampire survivor clone called bronana
>>564491510I dont think it matters too much we are on 4chan at best you will get some people calling you a fag.If you go to a majority leftist place you are getting doxxed and will be unemployable for the rest of your life
>>564492645you folks are radicalizing me on gaben...he's just so fucking fat....
>>564492575of course it can, and probably better than you. which is why I don't understand anyone cheering for being made obsolete.
>>564492260>his shoddy argument didn't hold up so now all he can do is bitch and moanHow feminist of you.
>>564492842Proof?
>>564492502>but it's not 100% unavoidable like say the app store on apple devices.apple is an interesting case because if you look at usershare numbers they're a flop but on actual profitability for devs they're one of the best because they've cultivated a userbase of whales.... and yet still with a hard walled garden monopoly and a whale userbase monopoly they immediately took up the new industry standard cut of 15% when google play got class actioned into it.steam hasn't budged towards the standard while also not having the userbase of google play nor the profitable whales of apple. on a calculating financial perspective they're not even worth the effort comparatively.
why is he so fucking fat......hes fat as fuck.......
Progress
>>564492431I'm not invested into making other stores viable, and I'm a too much small fry to make my own site and be bothered by the "potential money" lost. If I had a game that netted me 10millions and valve has right to 3 of them, I would surely get pissed, but that's not the case, and this is not my battle. Aka, I don't fucking care about how much boose has raised in price because I drink twice a year
>>564492645i dont think they were ever dumb enough to put that in writing (ToS dont mean shit anyways) and i doubt they would still do it but hey if you catch them doing it again you can initiate a whole nother class action i guess. it's free real estate.
Me when I login to Steam and all the community features are there for me instantly along with the biggest discounts and best customer support of any industry. And then I realize I'm also a dev and Steamworks provides me anything I could ever ask for and more
>>564480710hair is done
>>564493227can you believe sony makes devs pay for each update lol
>>564493250you gotta go
Pay me $100 to enter my store. Then pay some more in advertising outside of my store to prove it to me that I shouldn't actually shadowban your product on my store. You do this so you can earn the privilege of having 50% of your income be taken before you even see it in your bank account, delivered to you a month after you have "made" that money. You do this so you can sell your game at 75% below its actual market value because that's what I've conditioned my customer base to expect. You do this to have a 10% refund rate because I allow my customer base to pirate your product through refund fraud and do nothing about it.This is the best deal you can ever hope for, and you shouldn't ever think that things can be better. That's just the way it is. So pay up, dev cuck. I got yachts to buy.
>>564493304>N-no this is actually positive pressure on developers to release good updates instead of millions of hotfixes that break your game>I-it's a filter
>>564493373*punches you*
>>564493250preferring Nymph over Ikaros is its own mental illness
>>564492880>going full retardi accept your concession
Sex
>>564493250You are a pedopihle.
Does anyone here move their foreskin up and down until goo comes out of their dick to improve gamedev performance?
>>564493667He's gotta go.
>>564493350what is thy bidding my master?its a disaster fun games we are after what if they could be turned to the nodev sideyes they will be a powerful ally they will join us or diewe got schizos, we got schizos , we got schizos ,we got schizos
Steam sells players the illusion that they're in control. They control the journalism through reviews, they hold devs accountable, etc.That's something players love. That sweet, sweet illusion, as they buy up another pile of slop.
>>564493682I just relapsed on gay porn cause of your post
>>564494169this punch and judy puppet show technique is cringe af, get better material parasite
>>564493250good work anon.i think the belly button is a bit too low though
>>564493250Nice.
>>564494424Gogem stop posting here and finish the stupid game, you benchod motherfucker
>>564493682Yes but I usually do that because I'm a professional time waster. The resulting brain damage helps me think slower, thus wasting time more efficiently.
>>564465317>wrongWhat do you mean? You can have shitty stats and still be successful.
>>564494424You claim to be an artist but your contributions to the artform are entirely insignificant. Your complaints fall on deaf ears. If you are remembered, it will be as a 4chan lolcow and scammer not even fit to put alongside names like Yanderedev who at the very least left an impression.
>>564493090Why did AI turn old man into beefcake? Is AI spiritually gay?
>Broke thing>Didn't realize after days of work built on top of it>Too broken to understand what broke it>Attempts to unbreak it broke it further>Have to revert to 1 week old commit brehs
>>564494751anon are you vibe coding again
>>564494825whats vibe coding?
>>564494912It means coding without commenting or remembering what you did. Hence the "vibes"
Add big booty femboys with small pps to your game!!!
>>564494169>>564494496btw Sahit, Valve is actually lucky to only be getting class action'd given what your medical example shows that the alternative is.
>>564494751what's a commit?
>>564495032Gogem you retard, I want you to make your game so I can play it
>>564495098>>564494720>>564494496>>564494169imagine melting down like this just because someone said something negative about a billion dollar corporation
>>564495098crabs told me this also counts as gamedev
>>564495180>Wants to play Gogem's game>Somehow that has to do with steam dramaloool
>>564495032>>564495217Are you planning to assassinate Gabe Newell?
>>564494720googem influenced me
>>564463989Does it look like a grey-skinned elf is wearing some kind of respirator mask/helmet with pointy ears poking out?
>>564495496meds
>>564465317a couple thoughts/lessons to learn on MMO98 that ultimately boil down to empathy:1) a good case study in expectation vs. reality on a viral demo. they caught lightning in a bottle on the appeal factor but completely squandered it. Sure the viral wishlists were able to carry them to 250 reviews, but 60% positive ensures there won't be a long tail. its a shame because had they delivered, there was enough momentum for this to be life-changing. instead, they have just enough of a push to keep churning out slop. truly Sisyphusian (catching lightning in a bottle again won't be easy)2) I see push back from BiteMe supporters that gamers are spoiled because they are complaining about lack of content for a $6 game. it goes to show you that BiteMe and similar incremental sigma grindsetters don't empathize with the target audience and don't understand the appeal of incremental games. By "lack of content" they aren't complaining about hours spent. they mean there is no unfolding of mechanics you see in similar games like candy box, a dark room, horripilant, etc. MMO98 is just a bunch of upgrades that don't really understand build to anything. good incremental games (not the Nodebuster-style) are much more of a narrative experience than these slop-peddlers realizeConclusion: Success is equal parts luck (getting that viral, often fickle, appeal) and preparation (understanding why certain mechanics/genres resonate with people). They struck gold with the appeal, but couldn't really do anything with it. Sure a 250 review game is decent for the amount of time spent, but all this is really enabling is another lap around the slop cycle.
>>564495542here
>>564489153Thank you anon, the game made that amount in less than 3 weeks, so I have good expectations for game's future.
If I told you that in the future, one of your games (but not specifying which) will become a global phenomena and make you rich beyond your wildest dreams, what would you do? Would you still waste time arguing about dumb shit in this thread?
>>564495256he always falls back to the same shit
>>564496242I just got home from work let me shitpost for a few minutes and play a game of league then I'll dev like i always do
>>564495180betz is just that nuts when he goes full zukjeet persona
>>564492058
Here's the truth they don't want you to know.zukjeet, betz, cris, bokudev, fygoon, crumble... they're all the same entity pretending to be different people.be careful out there anon. If you meet one of them irl don't let them be alone with you or they might consume you too
>>564496425
>>564495709lollmao even
Would you suck a delicious juicy plump fat cock if it meant your game got on the front page of steam store for a month
>>564497018depends if it had disease
>>564497018sure win-win get my dick sucked and get to the front of the storeautofellatiobros where we at
>>564497018Anonfag kun go do some gamedev instead of drooling on your keyboard
>>564495627feed this into your LLM oracle so it's better informed.
>>564496394>work>shitpost>league (competitive game) The NGMI trifecta...
>>564496816nta but i hate u niggas so much
>>564496816wheres your game tho?
>>564497264I only play aram mayhem though which is the random bullshit for fun game mode of league and not very competitive
>>564496816id fight a tiger for his numbers better than like 20 downloads on itch
>>564493528You've been going full retard for 10 years.
>>564496816>lol>lmao eventhis is the laugh of someone who's never once produced a long tailhis punishment is to wagie eternally
>>564497550I can never tell if the long tail is a cope or not. And I mean that personally, some days I get 0-1 sales and feel like my game is deaf forever. Then I'll get 5 in a day and feel like it will sustain it forever.
>>564495627I think there are two vectors of success here that are both equally valid. First being luck, some games just get lucky and receive some initial success. But beyond that the quality of the experience aka good game wasn't able to carry it further. I think it's a mistake to assume just because some games get lucky it means that all successful games are lucky. Luck governs momentum and quality governs potential, as long as your potential remains high you can always grow your game after release even if your momentum was slow.
>>564495627>instead, they have just enough of a push to keep churning out slop. truly Sisyphusian (catching lightning in a bottle again won't be easy)Even worse, their next game will likely do worse then this last one, sending them into a spiral.
>>564497804whats ur game?
>>564497550And (you) have, gogem?What, your rock paper scissors game keeping you fed and clothed?
how the fuck am i so good at art design, programming and everything needed for a game but so terrible at coming up with fun gameplay, what the hell is wrong with my brain
I once saw gogem in a maccas trash can digging out half eaten burgers. He was shit posting on his laptop on maccas wifi and getting "water cups" but filling them with soda. True fucking menace to society.
can anyone redpill me on long tails?For example, if i made A Game About Feeding A Black Hole, i basically never have to work a day in my life ever again right. or do sales decrease that dramati
>>564498112fuarkkking mad cunt stealing pop like thatsounds like a top bloke
They'll call gogemcunt many things, but they never adress any of his points at all. Because that's all what shills can do. They're not here to debate. They're here to drown out any kind of dissent by spoiling the discussion with irrelevant name calling and general retardation.
>>564496816Don't worry it's just a seethe because this game didn't needed a discord, a publisher, and it wasn't made in the span of ten(10) years.It's an actual success to get to 500 reviews in less than a month
>>564498176Maintaining and cultivating a game's success is what publishers are very good at generally, you should study how they do it
>>564495627>horripilantHorrible incremental game that sold entirely on the spooky mystery point and click thing. It's 3 tiers of materials that function exactly the same, a huge prestige grind and a dungeon that takes forever to progress and forces you to idle because one run in the dungeon is fucking long once you can clear deep. Without the mystery point and click stuff it's actual kusoge. The shitty incremental is there to stop you from completing the point and click portion in 20 minutes. If this is what incremental audience wants then I really should be making something else.>>564497804I think the long tail exists for games that retain a playerbase. I doubt Guns and Nuns is gonna see much of a tail. It's one of those indie games that gets entirely forgotten when the new releases roll in. Well, it already is forgotten based on the player count.
>>564498176when i winnered the loddery i wouldered of neverered haven't't to workerered againered
>>564495015How. If you add them in you alienate most of your audience.
>>564496816
>>564498176long tails mean that some fuck started playing it like two months after release and said "hey this is fun" and talked about it to some friends.thats all. make good game and it will happen
>>564498297>t. gogemthis behavior of yours is honestly pathetic
>>564498105did you start with pong
The Gogem is immunized against all dangers: One may call him a scammer, has-been, schizo, narcissist, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a nodev and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."
>>564498331wow, true. this is good advice. thanks, i will do that.>>564498356kek i actually laughed>>564498442yay !
>>564498492>>564498575>projecting samefag
>>564498430Get'em dude. No mercy.
>>564498354>horripilant>Horrible incremental game that sold entirely on the spooky mystery point and click thing.yeah, totally valid but nevertheless a huge success. goes to show that atmosphere/light narrative took the game to another level, not just "number go up" like in MMO98
>>564498691here comes the samefag accusation againyou are like a broken record
>>564498307lolhahahahahaha
>>564497209your wit is wasted on this place
>>564498368you think anyone would be alienated by the pic i used? obviously not! just make cuties like that and its fine
guns and nuns has extreme potential a fucking normie guy went to school with wishlisted it i predict it will go to maybe 800- 2,000 and then stall
Why can't Gabencunt just add auto translation to reviews? Or just a basic google translate button
>>564499271I would expect 750 summer sale, if it breaks 1000 then 1500 by eoy isn't outside the realm of possibility>>564495709Believe in yourself, and if that's too hard believe in the me that believes in you and keep updating and supporting the game beyond its first year or two
>>564499430small indie company that earns 15 billion dollars a year please understand
>>564498667>>564499120not to brag, but I made things worse by replying with a kita kita :3 thank u thank u this crowd has been great
>>564499430hes too busy spending our money
>>564496242Welp
>>564499271>It'll ONLY get 2000 reviewsOh no..... the horror.... he's finished....
What do you guys think: Standard medieval fantasy, but with cuneiform tablets.
>>564498857You got a point there. Atmosphere and aesthetics are still big for selling games.I just wouldn't include it as an example of incremental mechanics done right. There was no real unfolding of mechanics in Horripilant. You can unlock the third material after 1-3 prestiges and after that you have to prestige over and over and over and over again to progress in the game and every time you do prestige you start over. There's a couple prestige upgrades that let you keep some material upgrades but you always need meat to start with after prestiging and you only get meat from the dungeon. You end up doing the same start of a run like 20 times to clear the game. It gets a little bit faster to get back to where you were but it is still a massive grind that doesn't change.
Joey Fygoon vindicated again.
a game about a black hole was bound to succeed.i wonder if i can shamelessly copy it. i bet starting today would put me behind the curb, i was supposed to start when the demo came out
>>564500028do it obamna themed
>>564499650>cuneiform tablets.i dont get it. picture is cute ! but in my uninformed opinion that artstyle is risky unless ur catering to a specific audience
>>564498575the funny thing about this antisemitic copypasta is that it's obvious a jew wrote it. none of these actually antisemetic christian nationalists write like that, in the same way that all the good christmas songs are jewish.
My brain hurts.
>>564500295holy trvke....every christian nationalist on this board types like a dunning krueger retard.
>>564500028https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIYc1IPA-08
>>564500214It's a random image. It has nothing to do with my idea other than showcase that I'm imagining dragons.I suppose I should outline some of the implications behind my idea. I'm thinking castles, conan the barbarian, and ancient civilization. Paper is rare and expensive. Clay tablets and rock carvings are how everything gets written.
>>564500295It's a goebbels quote...
>>564499605i mean 2000 reviews is just barely starting to scratch the ACTUAL "made it" category.you may not like this, but for steamies, every game that is under 1000 reviews is considered "obscure". even some games with 1000 reviews are considered "obscure".quadruple digit reviews is just barely breaking into the wider gaming discussion as a whole. even /v/tards often think this way.
>>564499738I think the dev was on the right track, he basically wanted to do "Vermis meets Candy Box". That's a really great idea that he definitely could have done more with mechanically. The sales suggest that at least there is an audience for it that someone else could run with...
>>564500512ye thats pretty cool. i cant see why it wouldnt work
>>564500653So you're motivated by success perceived by a bunch of terminally online fags?Nunsngunsdev scored shitloads of money for reasonable work time, it's a win by any sane category.
>>564500295so you support that supremacist landlord ideology that calls the rest of us goyim? they're the gabencunts of the world
I don’t know
>>564500795I do know.
>>564500795-what I don't know
>>564500739>scored shitloads of moneyare you a turd worlder? 100k dollars is not enough to buy a house even in the turd world, let alone anyone in the developed world, and last I checked, that's how much money his game made.remember that i'm not factoring in taxes, because those could drive down the actual earnings even lower, especially in corrupt shitholes.i don't understand why you ESL turd worlders are always so confrontational. i'm not the anon hating on nuns and guns and i don't have any ill feelings for the dev. i'm just being realistic about his situation, it's nowhere near a "smash runaway hit" that will allow him to retire forever. he'll need like at least 5 more games with the same level of success like nuns and guns to truly score shitloads of cash
https://vocaroo.com/1au2bK9Dgktt
im unironically a cris believer. itd just be too funny if he makes it
>>564500295turns out gogem is a kike it all makes sense now he's mad at gaben because valve is not public so he can't buy the stock and try to manipulate the company
>>564501112Cris is the soul of the general.
>>564501112ill kill myself if he does.
IMAGINE IN YOUR HEAD: a green humanoid dragon wearing armorthat's it
>>564501135more like the ghost that keeps haunting it
>>564501112i'll kiss him if he does
>>564501095https://files.catbox.moe/llgr04.mp4
>>564501059He's got 100k for about a year of work, which is better than USA salary, he's going to receive a fat check every few months, this is a major win, he can focus on new projects now.>i don't understand why you ESL turd worlders are always so confrontational.Nigga you callin yourself>it's nowhere near a "smash runaway hit" that will allow him to retire forever.This is your own retarded definition of making it with a game that you pulled out of your blown ass baby boy.
I get so few (You)s these days, every day I go through the archives and relive getting (You)s in my heyday.
>>564501474>better than USA salary100k is pretty average for a software engineer
>>564501474>which is better than USA salary
>>564501609I earn 60k puto
fat fuck gabencunt won(you) lost
>>564501545Could be worse. Could have been an ai fag.
>>564501545You must follow trends (just like with gamedev)
>>564500692DEORUM has somewhat similar visuals and it's also an incremental dungeon crawler this time with actual dungeon crawling. I think you're right that this style has more potential.The timing of these various dungeon crawler inspired games is a bit curious with Vampire Crawlers showing up but looks like VC steam page was published only in December so that wouldn't have left the devs a lot of time to make these games while trying to play into that theme unless they saw it earlier on twitter or something. Maybe it is just a coincidence.
>>564475086It's called rules text or legalese if you take it to the extreme. Have you never played a board game or TCG?
>>564501653can i get a referral bro im jobless
>>564501829Being homeless isn't that bad if you're smart about it and not on drugs.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2798330/Dungeon_Settlers/This game is going to make it. I wonder if it'll be at a 2k review niche or be one of those long tail games.Ive been making this exact same game the last 8 months but this dev beat me to the punch kek
broke, jobless, kissless virgin. I'm short and ugly and have a small penis as well, I also think I'm smart but if I was I wouldn't be struggling this bad. So yeah it's over. My "game" isn't going to save me, it's going to be about as relevant in history as a random rotting piece of fruit.
>>564501262>indie admits he used AI for art>massive hate wagon shows up
>>564501918can i be a gamedev if im homeless with no car? with a car i could make it....maybe i should save up>>564501974Smart people struggle, dont doubt your own intelligence but dont be married to it. allow yourself to be a retard.why are you making a game?
>>564501974I, on the contrary, am creating a generational masterpiece which will be loved for centuries to come.
>>564501940Come up with something to differentiate your game and roll in with a demo little after that game has launched. Catch the audience that wants more.
>>564477485
>>564500620did i stutter?
>>564501940>90k wishlists>This game is going to make it.Thanks, Nostradamus
>>564502019TRVKE...anti-ai hate raiders are all performative bastards. they dont really care but they'll happily destroy someone's years of work because they didnt have money to hire an artist kek
>>564501974Great portfolio, comfy remote job, loving gf. I'm tall and got a fat dick. I'm not too smart but I haven't been struggling for a while. I'm crafting my game in my spare time and it's still going to be a smashing success. Because winners keep winning baby
>>564501974im this but tall, hot and a huge penis we are in the same boat breh
>>564502282and yet you're in the same amateur gamedev general on 4chan as he is.
>want to make h game>will alienate my female 3d art tutorfuck my lifeI already got ghosted by a different art tutor for the same shit fuck my life.Why are foids so prudish.
>>564502119smart people have good income and live well, thats just a simple fact of life. Im making a game because i am delusional.>>564502282>Because winners keep winning babyi looked up my bully from highschool thinking he was a deadbeat and nope hes instagram was him traveling around the world with pictures with lots of different women and successful looking people. Why did God give him everything and give me nothing.
>>564501828I didn't know people became programmers by playing pong
>>564502491I like to come down here now and then to appreciate what a good life I have.
>>564502501just dont tell her?
>>564502282>>564502639and then you woke up in your punjabi village in uttar pradesh
>>564502491Where else am I supposed to shitpost>>564502550There's a beautiful tale of talents that Jesus distributed among 3 men. Maybe you haven't been given the most but instead of using the little you've got, you're being a little bitch. Get it together and make your life count.
>>564502282>Because winners keep winning babythis is the ultimate fact of life
>>564502668Then how do I make that game art any good.
>>564502187thank you, i think i have an idea.>>564502269ur welcum. i dont cockwatch wishlists, though i should. i know the conversation rate to purchases but i cant extend that to long tails/review numbers over time. like, this could be a niche game or the next rimworld
>>564502775well what women think is sexy is not what men think is sexyso she wouldnt teach you how to appeal to men anyways
>>564501974>>564502550
>>564501121they're not public because they'd have to show where the outflowing money is going including to the 2cent per post farm that employs you to say antisemitic shit in defense of Valve....or whats happening with all the pennies credited to millions of inactive accounts....or whats happening with all the steam direct payments being held awaiting the revenue threshold to trigger refund.....or how exactly the "admin" department of Valve is somehow generating the vast majority of the companies revenue and not the "steam" or "games" departments.
>>564503295Are you actually a jewlover?
this gogem guy is insane, picrel is him standing at Valve HQ entrance
>>564501059100k for a game devved in a year it's great. It's not great when those 100k are earned with a game you devved for more than 5years. And yet all discord trannies have spinned those less successful games into a great success. Let's just try to be objective here
>>564503443even for a legit antisemitic (you're just pretending) it's a bozo stance to take when in every real way they already have their policy dictated by shareholdered companies. if steam could be public and profitable they would have done it. they're built on a pile of scams so they cant so they wont.
>>564503625i'm not saying it's terrible. you can even call it "great" if you truly wish to do so.i'm just trying to also be objective and point out that this isn't some insane runaway smash hit like some euphoric newfags who vicarously live out their gamedev fantasies through other devs think.here's an /agdg/ game that some of you have forgotten, some of you probably never even knew existed, that came out last year.this one was also made in a very short time, and it earned significantly more money than nuns and guns did. even then this money is not enough to truly retire for life but you could genuinely coast off these earnings for a couple of years, unlike 100k dollars which will only be enough to buy a car at best.
>>564493250clothes are done(?)i still suck at frills>>564493478ill try to do all when i got some time.
>>564493250Darn
>>564504125>5.99Less than mmo98.
>>564504410>non-sequiturare you just gonna keep spewing random sentences that don't logically follow the discussion just for the sake of arguing? what are you even trying to achieve here?are all e-celeb followers this retarded?
>>564504125how long did that take to make?
>>564504125It depends where you live. If you're in the US, then sure, that's fuck all, and you will quickly burn through the money but where I live, with my current expenses that I keep track of, after the Valve cut and taxes, I could live for 50 years off that money. Obviously inflation and other things would de-valuate it but still.
>>564504125>even then this money is not enough to truly retire for life but you could genuinely coast off these earnings for a couple of yearsWho in the right mind thinks the goal is to create one game and retire? Who sold you on this dumb idea boy?
>>564504542I'm not following the discussion. I didn't read your post, nor the post you replied to.
>>564504589no longer than a year, i can be certain of that. it was a side-project for the dev, so make whatever you will of how long it took to dev
Data driven goonerdevving
>>564504410i was gonna um actually you as a joke but it isnt funny now that im looking at itthanks trump
>>564504718yeah well that's about as much as i expect from a drooling youtube addict>>564504690it's not enough to retire and it's just enough to keep going, that's assuming your subsequent games are as successful as your last. what is up with your 1-dimensional thinking?
Dammit we almost got it
>>564504914>yeah well that's about as much as i expect from a drooling youtube addictwell fuck you, assholeDon't talk shit to me.CUNT!
Anyone else feel like their progress is hindered because they want to be too much of a perfectionist when it comes to implementing things in your game? I also tend to overengineer things a lot or solve problems that I didn't even run to but may. I feel like if I just took Yanderedev approach of brute forcing my way through the dev, I could have shipped a game by now.
>>564505089Drink from the cum chalice. This is how yanderedev got powerful.
>>564505089There's no such thing really but you might be overengineering solutions to problems instead of changing the design space
>>564504125>i'm just trying to also be objective and point out that this isn't some insane runaway smash hit like some euphoric newfags who vicarously live out their gamedev fantasies through other devs think.I don't think anyone here said it was a smash hit, or game that can make you retire. If it's so, quote that post and I'll shit on it too.My problem is that nuns has been pushed down in this and past threads for who know what reason. That bocchi poster is right, Success breeds jealousy.Also the dev it's an almost unique case of resilience because this is his third game. his only equal is branno and he's lost himself into making low effort stuff.
>>564505089have a good balance, but dont be a perfectionist about having agood balance.just be thoughtful before you implement, but dont predict anything you might need. just implement. always believe you plan on refactoring even if you dont end up refactoring.this belief system improved my speed and deliverables.
>>564505089Games take 1-4 thousand man-hours to make.
>>564504125If I had $600k I could live reasonably well for just over 30 years, it's almost escape velocity money. And no I don't live in Bangladesh or Poland
>>564505343>I don't think anyone here said it was a smash hit, or game that can make you retire.right here, in this very thread>>564500739>scored shitloads of moneyi suppose for third worlders even $100 is "shitloads of money" but in actual human understanding, "shitloads" is something that can allow you to not work for at least a couple of years if not more.
>>564505089if your game isn't great as a janky pile of shit, it's not going to be great polished, so why bother?
>>564505750>live reasonably welldoes that include raising a happy and healthy family? you know, the only real objective a straight man should have in life?
>>564506197Thank odin I'm gay. Can't stand you breeders.
>>564505983NTA but I wish I could integrate this reasoning into my workflow if you'll excuse the crisism. I know nothing is gained by fiddling with the UI until it's perfect but I just can't move on until I can't find anything wrong with it.
>>564506336double edged sword IMO. this trait will pay dividends when you do make it. but you also wont make it if you dont ship a game XD
cant wait to drop my game and have it flop with 3 reviews and become the new board laughing stock again
>>564505760Shitload != life changing money. It's just a great result, when put in the prospective that most agdg games are in dev for a decade.I dunno what's your bar for shitload but I think that 99% of agdg can live pretty comfy with this>but it's not a salary, you are not sure you will get 100k every game or every yearYes I agree. Dev is highly volatile. If your objective here is to dev something like Minecraft or stardev your chances are almost zero. If we check the global stats having a game with 500 reviews in less than a monthcits probably up to the best 10% of devs on steam>it's still not enough moneyAll sane people know that. If money was our first priority, devvin would not be a wise choice.
>>564505750>lumping in Poland with Bangladeshlaughing my ass off at every nigger lover that has to share their country with millions of niggers and other third worlders
>>564506313Thank odin for aids
>>564505750>And no I don't live in Bangladesh or Poland>shits on Europe and AsiaI bet you live in a favela
>>564506746>If money was our first priority, devvin would not be a wise choice.Chat, is this true?
i fumbled this polish baddie and she started fucking this 70 year old man
>>564507105start with pong
>>564506313SameCareful though, we shouldn't spike their cortisol too early thats for their future wife and kids to do, lets give them 60 years tops before a stresss induced heartattack.
should steam completely remove the review system? i think it would be kinda funny if they did
>>564506925yes lol. so many easier ways to make money. Not even that they are less fun, but they are less addicting.Gamedevs are more addicted to the idea of making it akin to gambling. gamedev is a skill based lottery system. That's what makes it so addicting, because we cope that our game will be the exception that makes it.
>>564506925Boku and his wagecage is a lolcow for this exact reason. Same with cris and his flow to make a game in 2months.
>>564463989:: Hirdrih Technologic ::progress :: Soon will work on Brinkaedea tiles.
>>564507693this one looking gouda
>>564475634I wonder how things would have went if the game was $1 or $2 less. Since I've had that one belief for quite some time where the right price point can maximize your total revenue, then it would make sense that the same can be said for reception.>MMO98 releases at 19.9950 reviews, overwhelmingly negative, net revenue ~34k>MMO98 releases at 6.99250 reviews, mixed, net revenue ~59k>MMO98 releases at 4.99400 reviews, mostly positive, net revenue ~67k
>>564507318nta but not for me. even ai told me it's fucking over. at least I've made games before.
>>564507945i would say the theory that it being cheaper would. give it better reviews is wrongcheap people are even more snooty
>>564507945i just cannot percieve the difference between paying 5 bucks vs 7 bucks.3.99, i think they wouild have a mostly-very positive.
Hello ladies and gentlemen ;), it's Mike Hawk here at Gayforscratch
>>564508057Same as me, but I'm only 30.
>>564505760>"shitloads" is something that can allow you to not work for at least a couple of years if not more.You do realize it's not even been out for a month right? This game is gonna generate thousands/month for a long time.Discount/Event? Big revenue spike.
Lente believes in you. Don't give up...
>>564480052It can unironically work but you need to be careful with this strategy. If the game was flop ie 300 reviews after a year, you're better off making something else entirely. Now if the game had 1000+ reviews, then yeah it can work but don't be surprised if the squel gets less reviews, I've seen that a few times now. The only one's whobreally make bank off this strategu are those with games that have 10k+ reviews. Easy money and doesn't even require originality. Just copy your own game, maybe even reuse a good chunk of the code base, or just reuse the same exact game and change up the art and add new mechanics and slap a "2" on the title lel >>564479092Kek they truly are entitled aren't they. Do you think Eric might have had a change of heart and now wishes he could stick DLC into his games?>>564477485Why can't I have this!!!! I must succeed at gamedev and then proceed to go to gaming conventions in Japan!>that sudden carpet change;_; s-she is not real. Why did you show her to me anon
>>564507945people who make a big deal out of 1-2 dollar difference are the kind of people that will drop negative reviews the most
>>564507318gamblers can turn anything they touch into toxic short term bullshit.ignore that mentality, make things that are authentic so they have actual staying power, stack the longtails up until it's a reasonable income, keep their pricepoints adjusted to inflation instead of bargain bin juicing them.
i'd say i'm around 20% done with implementing the current system.
>>564508867this is a dude isn't it? girls use windows or osx and dont like lego
>>564508867I want to brush her hair.>>564509191not a tranny you've been mind bucked
>>564508903>Do you think Eric might have had a change of heart and now wishes he could stick DLC into his games?no. he wouldnt be as loved
>>56450619720 years ez
>>564509282i cant love someone who doesnt use osx. apple is the godking of operating systems.
>>564509407all you're telling me is that you're a mouth breathing retard
>>564509485when will you realize that apple is the answer to all your problems agdg?
>>564507945it should have been 1 dollar more and players would be calling the lack of content 'purity' and 'lack of bloat', a prestige indie game for prestige gamers
>>564509639when I get into a car wreck and get brain damage.
https://x.com/DioLarmguy/status/2046999471372841149
>>564504125Nundev here,>100k dollars which will only be enough to buy a car at best.> Buying a 100k car...........This right here it's why some people can have one million dollar and belief it is not enough because they can "barely buy a house and couple of cars".The people I interact daily think the same way: they want cars, houses, eat on restaurants, travel.... I never understand it, having an expensive car instead of a normal and functional one... what's the point? you have a speed limit on the road and both of them will take to your destination anyways. None of those things give me happiness neither satisfaction but making games it's something I really enjoy because I can use many skills at the same time and for me that's fun. Thanks to the success of Guns and Nuns, I can become a full time game developer when I get my first pay and by not being tired all the time thanks to a pointless job, I know my productivity will skyrocket and my skills will grow more than ever. I will able to make more and better games in the future.
>>564508993based. i do respect any gambler that chooses gamedev, though. cant really get lucky here unless you put in the work, multiple times without any hits.i have no interest in making small games though, i am but a delusional dreamdev creating my medium sized game
>>564509827
>>564509827and what about a down payment on a house? what about daily expenses like groceries? what about medical emergencies or if something breaks in your house? being ascetic =/= being financially responsible. i mean, it's not surprising that third worlders struggle severely with long-term planning, but maybe you ought to consider that your next game may not be as successul as your current one, and that you should be prepared for something like that to happen. just a thought.
>>564509827feelsgoodman. im happy for u and i hope i get there one day
>>564509827That's the best mindset I've seen in this thread so far
>>564509727Our Operating system is far in advance of theirs, as is our electronic sentience. And their...ethical inflexibility has allowed us to make progress in areas they refuse to consider.
>>564509827>I can become a full time game developer when I get my first pay and by not being tired all the time thanks to a pointless job, I know my productivity will skyrocket and my skills will grow more than ever. I will able to make more and better games in the future.Just hope gamedev remains viable and you never have a flop or need to get a job in 10 years.
Success breeds jealousy.
>>564510491My cock breeds (you)
>>564509827If I made 10k, I'd be able to get a car, but that's about all I could say I'm "Missing."
>>564510279>what about daily expenses like groceriesI don't doordash all my meals, food is cheap>what about medical emergenciesI'm healthy and in shape, not a doordash eating american fatfuck, last time I had a medical emergency was when I was 7 and a kid threw a stick in my eye>if something breaks in your houseLike what? I don't live in a paper prefab house like you american retards. We have modern apartments in europe, if the sink gets clogged you unclog it or call the plumberWhat else?
>>564510904>We have modern apartments in europeyou vill own nothing and be happy
>>564498176A successful enough game will keep earning money long after it's been released and getting 0 updates. 1000 review game released 5 years ago and has 0 updates? Would you look at that it's getting 1 review every 10 days with no large reduction in this pattern. In a 365 day year that is 36.5 reviews a year. Say all of these copies are bought at 40% discount average from a game costing 14.99, thats about $8k a year, pretax, for doing nothing. It's free real estate.>>564499605I dont think he meant it that way anon -_-
>>564510904>in europelast i heard nuns and guns dev was latinx, and his xitter account says it's in the u.s.
>>564510904>We have modern apartments in europe
>>564511616Yeah, that'll show him
>>564510904>last time I had a medical emergency was when I was 7 and a kid threw a stick in my eyeHe was merely introducing you to core ideas of christian faith brother
>>564500653>2000 reviews>barely scratching gmi territoryAt 14.99 I ain't getting back in the wagecage. It's not made it tier though bit a very nice return.
>>564501112Imagine he becomes the pic related of South America? A magazine like this of him ends up in Japan and in Japanese. Someone please make a photoshop of Cris on the cover with the text in Japanese.
I hate Claude.>Okay, you told me to change nothing except add this?>Let me change the entire fucking script and ruin it to fit MY vision of it!
>>564512254yep.>why did you do that?>'I'm sorry, I got carried away'bro
>>564512394It's like trying to wrangle a horse
>>564512434tard wrangling
>>564509827actually you dont need to make another game especially given the huge risk of CUFFBUSTING, zukjeet told me that you already made ityou can now go to epstein island and retire nigga
>>564508119>>564508969>>564509663Hmm good points. It's like when that ine high end female cosmetics brand made a cheaper version of their product that was still high quality. A lot of women avoided it because "it must be low quality." Kek there is that possibility that pricing it slightly higher could've lured a slightly different crowd or created a different perception in the minds of people buying it.>>564508125This could also be a possibility. I think when it comes to pricing it in terms of perception it becomes harder and depends on the type of game it is and the content it has therein.
I would rather live in South America than live in Europe. Euros fuckin' disgust me.
>>564504125Where does the 100k figure come from? If Flyknight made 2.3m with 470k players and 11k reviews how can the nun game make 100k with a fraction of that? I'm shocked how bad at maths the average poster in here is, you're supposed to be gamedevs.
>>564509827>t.
>>564507693will bonka return in nortubel 2?
>>564513296I look like this, btw but I have a binky in my mouth.
>>564513442how did you say that with a binky in your mouth? checkmate
>>564511616It's an old Conan skit about a smug European guy who sounds exactly like the anon I was quoting
>>564513296https://gamalytic.com/game/3818000
>>564513296That figure is consistently lowballing, best example is mmo98 which made over 3x that (from bundles) but even conservative estimates place him at $95k post gabencut
>>564513296here's the nuns and guns page i got from the same website. some anon was posting similar statistics from a different site way back.third worlders really are desparate today it seems
>>564500295>makes edgy game about sandy hook>calls out gabencunt but now his religionthat's it, you're the alex jones of indie gamedev
>>564513712With my feet
>>564509827You're not under an NDA can you post your revenue just to see how accurate the gamanalytics figure is >>564513954Marnix has no problem posting his
>>564509827:^) yay I'm happy for you. Was it you or Wasteland Bites dev who said they had to stop devving after their game released because of some real life stuff? If it was you am I right to presume you were going to throw in the towel of the game didn't sell well? But yeah $100k is a lot especially if you're not in a high cost of living country. Personally I need more since I'm in the US and want a passive income that generates enough to justify neeting to my parents. Back to talking about you, $100k after almost a full 20 days? Anon, heh, you are looking at maybe a 2x minimum on that number by next year April. The first year usually generates a good sum of money.
>>564508867lente seems like a genius to me. she seems to have very good intuition on what small games sells, and u can feel the passion instead of it being a cashgrab
>>564514150>gamanalytics the name is right there and you still struggle to spell it correctly?it really is all just low IQ third worlders who can barely comprehend basic english that are so obsessed with e-celebs ITT
I feel like I'm losing it. I have barely deved at all in these years. I am not confident I will make it. Oh well. Another night slept. Another day of waiting.
How true is this?
>>564502280hate is popular on the internet because there's no repercussions
>>564514673yeah cuff bust got really good at the end of development
>>564475634The game isn't very good.
>>564514807the base idea was solid. it just straight up didnt have enough content.
first we CUFFthen we BUST
>>564510904Don't pretend to be me, you faker.>>564510279Guns and Nuns currently have more than 100k wishlists, the current earnings are enough to finance a few years going full game dev, but that's just with the current earnings. I will keep making updates, discounts and participate in all seasonal events which is gonna keep generating more revenue in the long term.>>564514162Yes, it was me, but it wasn't about throwing the towel on gamedev, if the game didn't sell well I will have to work even more, having less time to make games. Thankfully that's not happening.
>>564515386You done good
>>564514673Does this include all the wasted projects?
>>564491718The real lesson to learn is to learn the dev skills and never give up. Don't pigeonhole yourself into "I can't do X, I just won't try".Just do it.
>>564515386Not wishlists revenue, https://gamalytic.com/game/3818000 this website says you got 100k and for my game it says 20k when i got around 7k I'm wondering if it's also inaccurate for your game
>>564515386Ah so it was you. So how does it feel? The shackles around your ankles crack open, the light shones from above the cage, a hole, escape, freedom, it's at hand, play your cards right and not only will you have escaped the wagecage, but the wage factory. ;_; be free brodor
>>564509827Any ideas on your next game or just taking it easy for a while?
>>564502945This is literally me. I want to blogpost my entirely. I want to be reified. Oh, but no audience is suitable.
>>564515386>I will keep making updates, discounts and participate in all seasonal events which is gonna keep generating more revenue in the long term.why do you think that your sales are just going to grow infinitely? they'll drop off once the launch promotion period ends (if it hasn't already) and updates and sales can only provide small bumps. they aren't going to earn nearly as much as your launch does. i mean, maybe those sales might earn you enough to keep you afloat in your country but it still seems like an extremely shortsighted strategy.
Imagine: MMO98 DLC
>>564517364stfu marnix
>>564504125Okay let's play. Take the low end estimate of 1.6 and say he made about 700k after taxes. Take 100k for next year of living and some fun money. Put 600k into S&P500 which makes 10% on average. Your 600k is now making 60k a year. If you don't spend that much you can keep the extra invested and it'll grow every year. If you live somewhere expensive where that's not enough move somewhere cheaper. That absolutely is set for life level money if our economic system doesn't collapse and you aren't a fucking idiot. >>564510279Buying a house doesn't always make sense even if you have the money. With the ridiculous housing market in most of the first world it's hard to compete with renting. I don't know how it is in the turd world. You have to consider how many months of rent is it to buy a house and remember it doesn't stop costing you money after you buy it. >medical emergenciesFree healthcare.>something breaks in your houseHome insurance but even better if you're renting and the break wasn't caused by you it's covered by the owner.
>>564513913>best example is mmo98 which made over 3x that (from bundles) but even conservative estimates place him at $95k post gabencutWhat? It says $62.2k last time I checked Marnix got 10k or something
>>564509827-Spartacus Elbow Handshake-Good Job.
>>564514673My current game hit quality after 2 weeks.
>>564517364Money trickling in extends how long you can live off of it. You're being crabby
>>564515386nun friendslop will make you millions now that you have a fanbase
>>564518154NTA but wtf?...this is true. wtf.....nundev made it
>>564517531>what are capital gains taxes>what is inflation>what is market volatility
>>564515386Have you analyzed why you succeeded?
>>564518115
>>564518592kek
>>564518115Left is me regardless of dream game or small game. Maybe if I had the skills and talent at a high enough level I'd be like right
>>564518592Fucking kek iktf and it never seems to go back to the center pic
>>564518592KEK ok u got me....
>>564517531>>564518290long term S&P returns adjusted for inflation are 6-8% assuming the dividends are reinvested (ie you don't get to live on the dividends). the estimate is that way because the returns are very variable, so it only makes sense to estimate long term. so let's say 8%. 48k happens to be an amount of money that is subject to a 0% capital gains tax so it's viable to live on that as long as you don't need to support a family.
more like MMO40 (% negative reviews)
>>564468702is that a dick or a loin cloth
>>564518592I'm 3 months in and I fluctuate between these two
>>564515530it always makes me kek seeing the schizo replying to himself on shit like this like he's tricking us lol, have a (You)
brutal realization today: when I tell AI to stop bullshitting me and be realistic, it stops bullshitting me and gets realistic
>>564520019im the graphposter, because i need hope that my piece of shit project will get good in the last hour. that guy is not me.
guns and nuns if the dev was based
>>564520408
>>56451915448k would be quite a bit for a 3 person family in the EU.
>>564520264It shouldn't really make any difference, but I always put "make no mistakes" at the end of my prompts anyways.
>>564518293Yes, many people said they liked the music or the gravity, but definitively the main factor is the nun Angelica Amadeus.The game gained traction on Tiktok, Instagram and Youtube when people saw a crazy nun blasting demons with a shotgun.That's why I have plans for my future games to have a character that can represent the game, for example, If I have to make an Idle Game I don't wanna make one I will make the game with a theme that allows a nice characters to be on screen most of the time.
>>564520408I actually laughed when I scrolled down and saw the dick
>>564520846So this is the power of appealing character design....
>>564520846>The game gained traction on Tiktok, Instagram and Youtube when people saw a crazy nun blasting demons with a shotgun.lol so it's exactly what i've been saying all the time. just go viral on social media. "appeal" (tranime girl in this instance) seems to be optional but a welcome addition to further ensure success.
>>564521116It's ok character design, it's coom design mostly
>>564520846Why are you dodging >>564515842There is no NDA
>>564504145terrible feet but it'll do for now. Gotta sleephands next and her space ears
>>564521381Nice.
I gain energy from blogposting. If I cannot blogpost to an audience at least 5 times a day, I cannot dev. It's a necessity. I'm opressed.
>>564521834noa sex
>>564520846Boobs way too small
I will never understand why you are so all hangup on houses and cars when literally the greatest gift of becoming a full time game dev is spending all day doing something you like instead of the retarded bullshit that is """"work""" (=meeting hell).
>>564522108I want to get married and have kids some day.
>>564509827everyone calling you based has never driven a 100k car yeah they are way better than a 8k shitbox
>>564518592the trick is to make a game that isn't small but also isn't your dream game
>>564520846based idle nonenjoyer
>>564521219technically there is an NDA but yeah i do agree that is very strange that he is so coy about it.
>>564519154Should be noted that a success on that level will keep selling for a couple years. Gamalytic approximates that FlyKnight sold about 3-4k copies in the last 30 days. If that's anywhere close he's making good money off the tail for the next couple years.
>>564522827I have not. What is so good about a 100k car?
>>564522827They're okay for a few days, but my Honda Accord require close to zero maintenance. I'm too tall to fit in most sports cars.
>>564523228they have full ass self driving cars where you just punch in a place like starbucks and it will drive better than you or me
>>564523236Based fellow Accord chad
>>564522827I'd rather have a 100k trailer on an acre.
>>564523351>drive better than youfalse>or mecorrect
>>564522827>buy 100k car>67 automatic shift tarbox overshifts at the slightest rev>oops regulated all the fun out of driving>touchscreens everywhere>meanwhile>buy 5k car>rumbles and shakes when you twist the ignition as if to say hello>5 gear manual never requires maintenance>suspension completely shot, you become one with the road>tactile buttons and minimal distractionsI'm with nundev on this one
>>564495496Looks like some horned goblin creature with either really big, frilly ascot thing around its neck or a purple tongue that it's sticking out to taunt me
>>564523351You mean a premium Uber/taxi? I take those
Yeah, I'm CUNT!GABENcunt!
>>564523236>I'm too tall to fit in most sports cars.what a problem to have
>>564523643all hail fat fuck gabencunt!
>>564474820House building was nice.Jump puzzles incorporate into actual gameplay and quests.
>>564523583I love old cars and bikes. I don't know why anyone would want a modern one. They're soulless as fuck.
>>564523561btw i would smoke you in a race but unfortunately self driving is just that good its over for human drivers and if you dont think so you are driving a 8k shitbox
I worked 0 hours on my game yesterday, bros feed me some copium or hopium, my work ethic has gone down the drain!>>564522827>t. Car enthusiastGet over it anon, its a metal box with wheels.
>>564504125>even then this money is not enough to truly retire for lifewhy would someone who loves to do stuff want to stop and retire? rich people who could retire today, either gamedevs or not, keep grinding and doing stuffonly people who do nothing want an easy success to retire and keep doing nothing>>564509827>The people I interact daily think the same way: they want cars, houses, eat on restaurants, travel.... I never understand itwhen a man can't find meaning in his life, he distracts himself with pleasurebtw congrats for your success and good luck in your gamedev careerI always take screenshots to your posts because you have a really based mindset, is very inspiring to see them, godspeed nundev!
>>564523828you like chink ev bombs you wouldn't smoke shit. No clue how you're even in this thread if you can't value operating something with your hands
>>564523715https://vocaroo.com/18I2McQwKyYM
>>564523886cars have gpus now like fucking computers grandpa
>>564523828Self-driving has not really advanced in a decade
>>564523643You need to do this on /v/ so it prevades into the minds of steamies. Whats the point of doing it here on agdg? There's like 100 posters and 900 lurkers.
>>564523962because its solved>>564524018alright mr dont leave the house while the world still spins
I don't get you people obsessed with cars. I would probably be more obsessed if cars didn't cost the price of an entire brick house.>poorfag bet you never driven a nice carI own a house and my parents drive bmw's. I just don't care cars just need to go from point A to point B efficiently. I live in the damn house it's way more important.
>>564524026goygem.poo gets ratioed even harder over there
>>564524078every game you play is solved. You are the peak of hubris and arrogance if you think you're making a game that isn't "solved"
>>564524156those are expensive cars in name only this is like bragging about how you spent $2000 on a walmart prebuilt pc and it doesnt even have a graphic card
fatfuck gabencunt makes more money than you and it makes people ANGRYfat fuck gaben cunt wins again and again
>>564524265pragmata solved shooters and it came out 6 days ago
>>564524356>those are expensive cars in name onlyI don't care, I like how you fixated on this I literally don't care that's my whole point. It could be a ferrari and you people would say the same shit. Obsessed with status like a dumb ape nigger.
>>564524156My friend rented a lambo urus for his birthday once. All the interior panels were creaky and shitty plastic. Expensive cars are kind of a spook
>>564524184jeet
>>564524078Self driving cars are a scam. Most of the time it's some brownoid driving you remotely
Marnix bros, it's at 60% now. How long until Negative?
>>564524445thanks for agreeing with me
>>564524547well i dont care that you dont care just know that im right and i lord over you as king dumb ape nigger
Okay, I admit it. I am gay. I am a queer. I am a full blown homo. I am a queer. I am a queer. I am gay. I am. I am a queer gamedev. I am a sexual deviant. I am a queer. I am. I'm not gay. I am gay. I want to touch men. Not men, male furries. I want to feel their fur. I want to feel their chests. Their sweaty furry chests. I want their succulent male mouths. I want to lick their wet male tongues. I am gay. I am queer. I am a furry. I am a gamedev.
>>564524734if I saw you in public I would step on your shoes. I know your people really care about this jordans.
>using his fortune to buy a self driving car instead of a sex bot
>>564524841you'd hurt yourself because i wear mountain boots like the outdoor boys
5.5 is out but AI isn't there yet for full blown game making 2 more weeks, it does help with assets and coding so enjoyScroll down to Dungeon and 3D gamehttps://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-5/Personally I think the biggest issue is asset interop, once the big AI corpo integrates that will be a renaissance just like the Unity asset store was
My dad could beat up your dad
>>564525004I wear cleats
FUCKING CUNT!!!
forget about indies how is blizzard going to recover? people will just make their own diablo! this must be STOPPED!
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>>564519487A loin cloth why do you ask?
>>564504125That's awful
