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Douge
>>565241790KEKPost Honey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx5MCjVqUeM
Shadally makes Krack angry
>>565241707What are you talking about? No ship has mainstream popularity besides Sonamy. Besides people have been shipping Knuxouge since Sonic X at least.
>>565242091https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdOD9N_gsN8
Shadria has mainstream popularity.
Miles
>>565242212Sonadow was in Prime, it is the most popular, it is in the mainstream
>>565242045Does ABT not like sexy humans?
HMmmm
Hardest wPill for fans to swallow is that Prime is more popular than X
>>565242360... 'Trans' Prower
once silver gets his game
>>565242518How does Prime’s theme song go again? I forgot.
>>565242212But if people learn about momthrower and it turns into this big meme that metastisizes, both the ship and the meme can spread like a cancer. Sort of like how sonadow only got more popular the more it turned into a meme, or Ugandan knuckles. The last thing I want are a wave of momthrowers shitting up the place.
>>565242424Because Sonic Prime’s writing wasn’t supervised by Sonic Team and troids have infected the fandom
>>565242701Ugandan Knuckles is way better than whatever we have now.
*rub* *rub* *rub* *rub* *rub* *rub* *rub*
>>565242781Look up the supervising producer of Sonic Prime
>>565242212>people have been shipping knuxouge since sonic xI wouldn't call them people
>>565243012Oy vey
>using Sonic X for characters
FactSonic Prime should be used as the new model for the next game
>>565242212Which is exactly why whenever someone uses sonic x as an example you call them retarded and tell them to play the games. Easy
Sonic Prime is one of those shows where a bunch of different shit happens but you don’t remember any of it because it never mattered.
>>565243309Rouge is not needed here
>>565243012I don’t if he’s telling the truth but Ian Flynn said that he sent notes to the English writers of Sonic Prime on how to write the characters but that they ignored the notes
Sonic games are written like big crossover events, except all characters don't do shit until sonic or shadow shows up
>>565242212Sonic X is just as OOC as Archie
>>565243446It's funny how much she was ostensibly ruined by trying attach her to knuckles and team sonic instead of shadow. She went back to normal the moment they put her back on Team Dark for dark beginnings and even got her curves back
>>565243424Shitty logicSonic 06 didnt matter 2 but you do remember
>>565243467
>>565243565I blame Sonic Heroes.>>565243660You're lying.
>>565243446She made sense the first episode because she just wanted the jewel. After that you can't stop wondering why she is here at all
>>565243446should have been Blaze desu
>>565243667>trying attach her to knuckles and team sonic instead of shadow????>>565243775To have another female besides Amy. Same reason as Cream in X who also didn't do anything.
>>565242781
>>565243683Two wrongs don’t make a right.
>>565243467Based
Reminder that Sonic literally didn't laugh canonically until 06. Is Sonic 06 in character? Is it OOC for Sonic to laugh?
>>565243878>To have another female besides AmyThen they should have put Blaze. They are dealing with different dimensions and they couldn't even make a little cameo to the sol dimension
>>565243970Oy vey
>>565244097the only thing non-jp about aosth is that he is a womanizer. remove that aspect and he's completely in-character
>>565244146There is 90s art of him laughing
>>565244189>>565244097Take those disgusting fleshy quills away from me. I can't even look at him without feeling disgusted
>>565244153>>565243837I agree, but then they would have to actually use and explain the Sol Dimension, which doesn't mesh with the shows paradox prism concept of alternate dimensions, so that's probably why she wasn't used.
>>565244153Sol Dimension has nothing to do with what happens in Prime. It's about Sonic's dimension getting shattered.
>>565244375>>565244413The Paradox Prism should have just been the Jeweled Scepter desu
Red or Blue button?
You guys have to remember that Iizuka wrote Shadow the Hedgehog and Rivals so actually yes movie Sonic and Prime Sonic are basically what he would end up writing anyways
>>565244570desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu desu
Sonic is irresponsible and should be killed immediately.
>>565244570You might as well have typed " Sonic Prime should have just been about Blaze desu desu" because hat's how far you're changing the premise of the show.
>>565244413That's what I thought too but at the end of the show the paradox prism is restored so why aren't the different versions of everyone going back to their original state as well? Shouldn't Nine be dead? They help Sonic go back to his dimension instead, so I don't really get it
>>565244570normies wouldn't get it
>>565244818then make them get itisn't that what sega wants to do anyway? to make sonic appeal to current days normies? They're doing a reallll bad job at it. Suckers
>>565244818Who cares? Normies didn't "get" the Paradox Prism because it didn't exist, might as well use the thing that already exists.
>>565244642I have no way of proving this but I always believed Shadow the Hedgehog was running on "Sonic Adventure" logic. So Sonic's behavior is amped up because you're playing as Shadow. Every character sees things a little different in SA1 and less so in SA2 and 06. The games keep doing things like this up until Free Riders
>>565244683>Sonic is irresponsibleYes and we love him for it!>and should be killed immediately.Seems kinda extreme dontcha think?>>565244642Shad05 Sonic is portrayed as more obnoxious but he isn't a whiny goober like primenic or movienic.Also, he is portrayed that way because it's how Shadow sees Sonic.
>>565244802Yeah that part made no sense. About half way through the show they treated the separate dimensions as independent of each other instead fragments of the original dimension. It was really confusing. The show was stupid
>>565244961>then make them get itnot worth it
i am very attracted to bump and sage
characterize Sonic as Senku minus the IQ and you have the same character 1:1
>>565243970Iizuka is responsible for movienic and Shad05nic. He loves ADHD Sonic apparently.
>>565244961They're starting from scratch after 23 years of bullshit. It's why the classic games got re-re-released
>>565245138nothing sega is doing right now with the blue rat is worth it honestly
good afternoon /sthg/
>>565245414He must have loved Prime for making Sonic look like an annoying baby child compared to Shadow
>>565245026I wouldn't be surprised if the retards at sonic team still tried to do a Rashomon story with only one pov character
>>565245550Cool boy
>>565245414>His vision since 1998 always Sonic dancing Fortnite dances
>>565245573Gimme head, bitch.
>>565245606Meaning we would have been getting Sonic's perspectives on everyone else for over a decade instead of their unfiltered selves
>>565245026I think that is very obviously the case>>565245606You see the world through the eyes of the player character. I see nothing wrong with this
>>565245698Never trust a shadowfag to write sonic
remember when we posted cocks and butts?
>>565245816Yeah this is also how we got Shadow Generations
I don't get why they do the fortnite/tiktok stuff. That is not what modern "cool" teenagers do still. Flossing is seen as a stupid baby thing by Gen Z and Gen alpha even makes jokes about it. It's not like breakdancing in the 2000s or rock in the 90s.
>Catbox completely broke god damnit
Bun!
Favorite foods
>>565246134Can this tourist shut up? He doesn’t know what he’s talking about
>>565246134everyone who tries to factor sonic being a teenager into his behavior is low iq except oshima
>>565246429Shadow and Silver must be starving from eating only grass
>>565246134Who is this Disney adult?
>>565245830>You see the world through the eyes of the player character. I see nothing wrong with thisThey can't even keep the characters consistent across Sonic's games, and I'm supposed to trust them with intentional contradictions?
>>565243467Not like the cast would be in-character anyway if they listened to his notes or not.
Musclephiles
>>565246134I hate that I don't have an open-and-shut response to this, but Sonic is way too cool for any of that
>>565246456>>>>>>he
>>565246602It wasn't much of a problem before they gave up on having stories.
>>565246134This is the exact kind of fan IDW created. I hope you're happy.
>>565246519>>565246456Sonic was made to resonate with kids. You grew old and didn't realize it
>>565244747I would've liked it as a Blaze show.
>>565246134Why are we treating being a teenager like a monolithic personality trait?Sonic actually touches grass. He isn't doomscrolling on tiktok or reddit or socials just because (You) are.
>>565246429SSS is such a blatant Silver astroturf. They have no relevance to each other outside of big event games, and in those big events, silver and shadow don't do shit.
>>565246134Is this what people want their protags to be like?
>>565245990Adorable little neurotic
>>565246825Tou have to understand that these people are bourgeois, insular and think in stereotypes.
>>565246781>Sonic was made to resonate with kids. You grew old and didn't realize itI would actually accept this argument for Pokemon, but no. Sonic doesn't act that way in the video games, just in the shitty american spinoff media like Archie, IDW, Satam, and Prime. If that personality takes over the games I'll concede.Instead the games did the exact opposite and overplay Sonic as manly and adult.
>>565246932She is right tho>filenamesomeone felt called out
>>565246125You expect the decrepit childfuckers making these decisions to actually know what kids think is cool?
>>565246932For once I agree with Krack
I'd like to see this as a drawing:>(You) having sex with Jewel at the Mineral Museum after hours>It's dark, just bright enough by lantern light to see what's happening>Jewel bent over a desk, skirt lifted over her plump ass, panties pulled to the side>Hard cock pumping in and out of her pussy>She's squeaking and covering her face with her hands, overcome with pleasure but so adorably shy>Maybe you finish on her back and ass, and all she can do is squeak an "Eep...!" as your warm seed coats her>Alternatively, you finish inside her, and she squeaks all the sameOr maybe:>Having sex with Jewel in bed in the morning>She's bottomless, wearing only a shirt and socks>Fucking her upright, holding carefully onto her ankles as you piston into her repeatedly>But only AFTER the kids have already left for school
>>565246134that projection at the end holy shit
>>565246887The entire franchise runs off this type of shit. Characters imply without actually doing and your brain fills in the gaps.
>>565247101did you not get the memo last threadthis is not happening
>>565246134Ages were a mistake. Fucking pointless autistic trivia like blood type
>>565246980I wish those people were smart enough to be self aware of that. Then we wouldn’t have to listen to their retarded spiels.
>>565246932Most of the time the rival ship is just made sibling coded.
You might hate to admit it but MCU Spiderman, Izuku Midoriya, and Steven Universe are all directly responsible for the idea that fictional teenage boys have to be quirky and vulnerable
>>565247194>The entire fandom runns off this type of shit.franchiseFTFY
>>565246995>If that personality takes over the games I'll concedeIt will, because you are forgetting the movies where he acts exactly like a kid
>>565246932Why do people listen to this middle school dropout
>>565247216Cool story
>>565247280
I don't know why you're all having a meltdown at an IDW fan for liking when Sonic says stupid quirk chungus shit when a lot of you love satam which is just as guilty as doing the exact same thing but with 90s teen tropes instead of 2020s. Satam Sonic is an extreme case of a 90s cliche. You can throw a ball and hit a 90s character who acts like this. He's just Michealangelo/Bart Simpson/Johnny Test
>>565247080>ywn have blaze cook fried rice for you because she wants to do something nice for you because she's always so busy but she fucking incinerates it but you eat it anyways because you love her
>>565247280Characters like Deku existed in anime since forever. He's basically just Kid Gohan again.Steven universe is only enjoyed by tumblrites and doesnt even have the save vibe.
A beautiful creature
>>565247461>a lot of you love satam??????
>>565247442>Fangs>Less marketable
>>565247412No but genuinely, no one does anything heredon't bother asking for things
>>565246707They gave up on having stories because people complained they were too complicated
>>565247461>when a lot of you love satam which is just as guilty as doing the exact same thing but with 90s teen tropes instead of 2020s.I don't and regularly criticize SatAMnic for being a poochie.That said, SatAMnic didn't act like what actual teenage boys were like. He acted like what those boys thought was cool. Or rather what adults thought teenage boys thought was cool but u get the picture.
>>565247581Right, except its true.
generally someone who hates IDW for being OOC probably hates satam even more what the fuck are you on about
Evan still gives him fangs which I appreciate
>>565246932She's right
>>565246781Kids would rather play .exe shit in roblox than anything official
>>565247759Thanks Evan. Kill all fake furries from your workplace please
Sonic should be a kid's idea of a cool kid, he shouldn't be an adults idea of an annoying kid
>>565247597If people did, these generals would be better. People only wanna bitch and moan around here about what's more canon than the other.Like, motherfuckers, just DRAW something, fucking WRITE something.Everyone bitches about drawfags but at least they actually DO SOMETHING around here.
>>565247857Anon please stop being stupid>>565247950Yes
>>565247461>when a lot of you love satamSince fucking when?
>>565247960the severe lack of drawfags is clear as day, and the few that we have appear once in a blue moonI'm no /sthg/ veteran so correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me as if there were more contentfags in the past
>>565247950Kids want resident evil and sega gives them blue's clues
>>565246806
>>565247319Iizukanic is ADHD, not a babby
>>565248203Boy!
It's funny that "Quirk chungus" is an insult made by Soomers about millenials who make corny vulnerable or comedic characters but the trope is associated with Gen z characters like IDW Silver Zoomers who consider themselves cool hate that shit. Literally look up millenial on tiktok and you will see nothing but zoomers making fun of this sort of tumblr writing.
>>565248012Stupid is the furry genocide Sega forced upon us. I feel personality attacked and I demand retribution
>>565247950Correct. Have Charmy do the Fortnite dances. He's the annoying kid character
>>565248249A beautiful one at that
>>565248314holy shitMovie Sonic is just Modern Charmy wearing a shitty Sonic fursuitIt all makes sense now
>>565248119I think Realdash and Alota are like the only two drawfags that make a semi-regular appearance. Everyone else is gone, and the few anon ones have no handle so they just disappear.
>>565247960Our drawfags are a bunch of tourists who don't care about this place and draw garbage for themselves every weekend.
>>565248268Millennials are now in writers rooms and projecting their bullshit onto younger generations
>>565248409Yeahhhh!
>>565248314I always bring this stuff up about characterization debates. Sonic doesn't need to change because there's already a character for that. If you need a cute boy you have Silver and Charmy. If you need an obnoxious boy you have charmy. If you need a cocky douche you have Jet. There is no reason to change modern Sonic to act like Satam when that's basically just Jet or Silver depending on the tone.
>>565248615He's like a cat and a dog at the same time
>>565248292
>>565248536>"NOOOO, YOU'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO DRAW WHAT I WANT"This is why most of them have left. You want them to draw the same generic shit of Sonic giving smug smile #18476, instead of have fun actually drawing.No wonder Van Gogh fucking off'd himself. Imagine if he was around today, knowing you fuckers.
Sonic is pissed off pretty much the entire time in SA2 outside of like 3 lines.
>>565248667So basically, Sonic isn't needed and he should be deleted form the franchise
>>565248813Shadow got him sent to prison.
Charmy would say "6 7"Marine would start laughing and shout it louderCream would be clueless, but would quietly try to play alongTails wouldn't say anything and smile, letting them have funKit would be pissed off and would try to resist the urge to kill all of them
>>565248536This place is full of schizos who hate everything. Why would anyone want to draw for them?
>>565248939>Uh actually, he let himself get caught.
can someone draw Sonic giving a smug smile
>>565248268https://www.tiktok.com/search?q=quirk%20chungus&t=1777498132315Quirk Chungus is literally a slur Zoomers made for people who act like Evan Stanley and Ian Flynn. I'm surprised this isn't enough to write off IDW entirely
why can't he be real.....
>>565248990Charmy would do the 67 joke to Kid. Kid would cry about bullying, and he would start a school shooting next day
>>565248268i can't even tell who you're trying to insult
>>565248827Never beating the allegations.Most every character for the most part is an offshoot of Sonic, him acting as the center or rock that gives these characters and world coherence.
>>565248812>This is why most of them have left. You want them to draw the same generic shit of Sonic giving smug smile #18476, instead of have fun actually drawing.Quite the opposite, /sthg/ makes all kinds of requests, but our drawfags choose the most boring shit imaginable. Only bba takes fun requests.>picrel Blaze standing while singing LAAAZY
this place has people who hate the fact that there are autistic Sonic fanscan you imagine being that fucking stupid?
>>565248990Tails would be the autistic kid that hates any sort of swearing and would make object show videosKit would be an autistic kid making crappy fetish stuff on DeviantArt
>>565248667It's funny how sonic, tails knuckles and amy have to be everything to everyone because this franchise is constantly in the cycle of fucking up, losing its fanbase and reintroducing its main cast to a new generation while all the other characters collect dust
I'm really surprised you guys don't get bored from arguing with that miserable attentionwhore about a hobby he got filtered by.
>>565248484>alotawhens the last time he took requests>realdashhas he EVER taken requests
>>565248750True!>>565249296Cool lol
>>565249175I'm not. I'm just confused why it's associated with zoomers whenever the phrase is used here when it's a millenial thing. Evan is a millenial. "Uwuver" is a millenial creation. The people behind that thing grew UP in the era of SA2 and GTA. I'm running defense for Zoomers.
>>565249213Not him but why the fuck did you ask that in the first place? And you completely ignored Bunnie doing a wrestling move you ingenious faggot.
>>565249371Which artists took requests?
>>565249469That mirror scene in gens but with Tails and Kit
>>565249371>whens the last time he took requestsNTA about a week ago https://sthg.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=19653
>>565249313This post reminded me that I spend too much time here. I shouldn't be able to understand that you're talking about Duo. I shouldn't know when Drago poster is posting about wolves. I shouldn't know about Kitposter's favorite games. I know too much about sthg now.
>>565249639Those are some dull drawings. *yawn*
I think Sonic should have a gun.
>>565249479The "zillennial" age range tends to have a lot of generation guilt (in one direction or the other) and tries very hard to blame zoomers for millennial things/blame millennials for zoomer things (depending on which generation they identify as).
>>565249843Ooc for him
Feel free to draw better than them.You won't.
>>565249652Duo makes it very easy for everyone because he's been regurgitating the same chatgpt responses everyday for 3 years.
>>565249960If I draw with my heart it'll always be good
did you know that since the cdc began recording suicide rates starting in 1950 the lowest suicide rates ever recorded in the united states were in the early 2000s
Blaze needs to headbutt her friends until they all smell like her and then she'll stop being retarded.
>>565249975So that's why everything seems to be written like an automated spambot.
>>565249975His posts don't change much because he's right about them.
>>565249636Kinda unrelated but I love the scene when the Tailses say "We are traveling through time and space!"
>>565250078That's cute, whatever if it's yours or not.
>>565249960
>>565249917This is the first post I've ever seen that uses these terms and makes somewhat sense
>>565250148Why does Classic Tails talk but Classic Sonic doesn't that's stupid they both should talkAs a kid I headcannoned that Tails taught Sonic how to speak lol
>>565250086I sure wonder if there was any big event in the US in the early 2000's that might have had an impact on almost every statistic.That's right baby Sonic Adventure 2 came out
>>565249296>offering to do kit's autistic fetish shit with him>he blocks you because he only likes 2d
>>565249371>realdashYes, not often, but he hasAnd then people proceed to shit on him for it>>565249213So you asked for something you considered generic, and then got mad that someone drew something you asked for? Are you genuinely retarded?
I know what Krack's least favorite Sonic game isI know what Scribblefag's favorite game isI know what Alota's favorite game isI know what Rhode's favorite game isI know Duofag's opinion on Sonic's characterizationI know which combination of words will make Randomfox go on a multi hour meltyI can tell the three different seething Sonamyfags on this general apartI know that sometimes Slashy acts as a seething Sonamyfag but he isn't part of the regular Sonamy seethe groupI know that Violet is a purist about the satam characters compared to ArchieI know that Tailsfag likes to discuss the western characters even though he doesn't like them much I am here too much. You all say "Anonymous" but I can see you.
>>565250135I think everyone that tries to argue with him in good faith at this point is genuinely retarded or too autistic to know any better. Everyone knows he's the most rampant samefagging shitposter in this general and gives himself away because his ego is too fragile. Just let him be miserable if he wants, shouldn't stop anyone from doing what they want.
Sonamybesties are trying to say Duo is the only Sonurge shipper
>>565250465>i'm not on this listWin
>>565250451>So you asked for something you considered generic, and then got mad that someone drew something you asked for? Are you genuinely retarded?There were some genuinely good requests, but the black cat larper took the most boring and easiest ones because he doesn’t know how to draw fun angles or more than three poses.
>>565250451He even gloated that >"I purposely asked her to draw shit I hate."No, he's not a retard, but far worse: a troll.
>>565250302I agreeIt seems the Japanese version triedd to give both Classic Sonic and Classic Tails an audio quirk. Sonic is mute like during gameplay and Tails is voiced like a kid like in the Adventure games. Maybe that's the idea. Still clumsy and confusing though>As a kid I headcannoned that Tails taught Sonic how to speak lolFunI guess you could say friendship made Sonic open up more. Though that still doesn't make sense because he doesn't talk in Forces either
>>565250465>used to be on the lists>now never on the lists
>>565250468All I care about is ai porn and he stopped delivering.
>>565250465>I know that Tailsfag likes to discuss the western characters even though he doesn't like them much >I am here too much. You all say "Anonymous" but I can see you.You think there is only one Tailsfag so not really.
>>565242212>since Sonic X at least.Do people actually believe this or was SA2 somehow not obvious enough
>>565249495it was tangle in a bunnie outfit aksually
>>565250537Sonurge shippers are just the male version of Shadamy shippers
>>565250778He should have stuck with that instead of trying and failing to become lc-kun 2.0
>>565250465I hate the current generation of namefags. It makes me feel old that none of the namefags I know are even know are on this list.
>>565251174>Go to (anime site of your choosing)>Sort by "unrequited love">99% of the entire romance anime genre appears
*headpats your OC*
>>565251119Sonic and Scourge? Isn't that masturbation?
>>565251174I wouldn’t put it past Ian to try and insert some tacky suicide story into the franchise.
Alota's shitty boring cats.
>>565251397he should have sexy boing cats instead
>>565251397I love them
>>565250263Wife!
>>565251305Because you are old now. I'm going between here and twitter and the whole US/JP Sonic melty is betweeen Zoomers vs elder millenials.If you are old enough to remember the adventure games coming out you are fucking old. Sonic 1 is closer to the moon landing than it is to now. Nowadays people know Sonic from the movies, Sonic X reruns, IDW, and Frontiers. If "Sonic is the wind" is a weird new thing to you it's because you're ELDERLY grandpa. It's okay to be old, make sure to use your old age wisely and have lots of fun because you won't be alive much longer because of how old you are.
>>565251397I like it when he draws Jess
>>565251432He has a 100-item ToS to avoid drawing anything remotely interesting or sexy.
>>565251512I like it when anyone draws Jess.
>>565251509damn, let him get up...it'll take some time but he'll get there
>>565251810>LONG LEGS AND A SEXY TAIL!!
>>565251509>If "Sonic is the wind" is a weird new thing to you it's because you're ELDERLY grandpa.Sonic being like the wind has been a thing since the classics and is Adventure era laundering.
>>565251890dougefag.....
>>565251810Tikal did you put your head through the Shin-o Ball-o
>>565252112Professor Pickle asked calmy.
I love busty blobians
I am the ultimate life, a flawless existenceNothing is unpredictable to me, nothing can surprise meI am the mystery of the world, I can tell it by their cold eyesI am the warrior, it's my way to go
>>565252023The script for Chronicles does have Rouge try a little too hard to sell that she isn't interested in Knuckles. It's kind of heavy handed. She says he's not her type and not worth risking her life to save.
>>565252256hyena futa cock
>>565252256OCshit is off-topic.
>>565252256heck, i even love busty humans!
>>565252023Shade getting vaulted was the end of Shadougefags last hope for salvation
>>565252293A portly old man was able to fuck up your memories and you're a ticking time-bomb for becoming the next Black Doom. You also need your designer bracelets or you burn up using Chaos energy.Flawless my ass.
>>565252293*garbled lyrics then play next that you literally cannot understand unless you look it up online*
>>565252256>HildaWould, all day long>PurityNot so much
>>565251316You’re not ready for 2027
>>565252316Which would only be something they would do if they felt they needed to to push Shade. Proving Dougefag is wrong about it "being an X thing and not in the games".
>>565252486TOPKEK
>>565252316Niggas were unapologetically trying to shill Shade as Knuckles' love interest and shoving Rouge outta the way. Lol.
Rrat
>>565252546>>565252705You can press Rouge about it when you first talk to her in Tails's workshop
>>565252873Sonic’s soon-to-be girlfriend
>In an alternate timeline, Knuckles and Shade are sharing duty as Master Emerald guardian>this would free Knuckles up to leave the island more>Rouge and Shade love triangle with Knuckles whenever Rouge tries to steal the Emerald and flirts with Knuckles.
>>565253038That's not Surge tho
>>565253038By any means necessary.
Rouge would be into Knuckles more if he wasn't down bad for her.
>>565253121The way they phrased it for Chronicles 2 implies Shade was going to help continue the Knuckles bloodline. Obviously that could never happen but I guess they would have to imply it somehow. I'm sure if she stuck around she'd just be a second guardian to justify Knuckles leaving all the time.
>>565253226either an 8 year old child or a severely autistic tailsfag
>>565253226I told you, ocfaggotry is for low iq retards.
>>565253232and future wife
>>565252873amy if she real
My recents folder has become nothing but Amy.
Sonamyfags actively rioting for movie Sonic to be ooc so he can date Amy
>>565253450They hate Sonic.
>>565253450Sonic was already OoC in movies
You get transported to an island to try and survive with 5 /sthg/ ocsWho do you pickHow long do you stay alive for?Did you forget the surviving part and just make a harem
>>565253252>"Give up the emerald or die I don't love you!"
>>565247280They are all Tails. MCU Spidey is Tails to Iron Man. Deku is Tails to All Might. Steven is Tails to his dead mom, his dad, and the Gems. The problem is that everyone wants Sonic to be Tails. I hate seeing art of Sonic & Deku being best friends, because that should be TAILS and Deku. The only reason Sonic is used is because he's 15, has red shoes, and is the main character. These people want Sonic to be Tails so bad, meanwhile Tails himself gets completely shafted.
>>565253450>>565253528Movie Amy is also ooc
There will be a scene in Movie 4 where Tails and Knuckles are trying to help Sonic win Amy' heart over walkie talkies.
>>565253528Bump, Sage, Bait, Lurk, I don't know anyone else
>>565253537OCshit has nothing to do with Sonic or what we're discussing. Fuck off.
>>565253537I intentionally pick the ones who would survive well but couldn't build a boat.All female too, idk if that's important haha...
>>565253121This is literally just archie. You want julie-su
>>565247512>Characters like Deku existed in anime since forever. He's basically just Kid Gohan again.Literally Tails. SO WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP USING -SONIC- AS DEKU!?!?! TAILS IS RIGHT. THERE.
>>565253537do my own OCs count, or only ones on the /sthg/ OC tumblr?
>>565253541Knuckles is a Tsundere
>>565253450>>565253525Sonic and Amy will become a true couple in the games and it will still not detract from the fact that Sonic is an adventurer. Deal with it
>>565253573>>565253762You're right. It's just because Sonic is the protagonist so they don't think about it further
I want more Sonic Collections for the hanheld/Dimps titles in the style of the Mega onesAdvance Collection: 1,2, 3, Battle and Pinball Party as a bonus.Dual Screen Collection: Sonic Rush, Rush Adventure, Colors DS, and maybe Chronicles as a bonus but very unlikely.Mini 3D Era Collection: Sonic Rivals, Rivals 2, Boom: Shattered Crystal, Generations 3DS and Lost World 3DS. This particular collection is wishful thinking since no company has ever officially tried 3DS emulation, but therotically should be possible nowadays, at least Dimps should still have the source code of their titles.Also throw Pocket Adventure from the Neo Geo Pocket somewhere as an extra.
>>565253541I'm fairly certain that line was intended to be an almost freudian slip. Nobody is accusing him of having feelings for her but himself.
>>565253537aren't rougette and reynard like superhero tier?i pick them and then we can just fly off the island
>>565253852>>565254013OCshit is off-topic.
>>565253919Combine Advance and DS and that would be a great collection
>>565254038Who's your favorite OC?
>>565253852Either or both>>565254013If they can fly an ocean's worth, then yes.
Oh boy now these retards are doing OC roleplay.
>>565254284and you're still not talking about sonic
>>565253919>>565253919I'm convinced Pinball party exists just to try and get Sonic fans to migrate to Nights and Samba De Amigo.
>>565254284How do we get rid of them
>>565253919Oh, I forgot Boom: Fire and Icehttps://youtu.be/mrYvj3EXDCE?si=SxcyWaKLmE2cwjLd
>>565253762Same reason people make forced ships with Sonic. He's the main character. And being the main character comes with a sense of prestige and centrality and perceived importance.We already have Tails but He isn't the main character and that's all these people care about.
>>565254395That's always been Sega's game. Pairing any C-tier IP with Sonic to elevate tthem.
>>565254623The franchise should've had "Sonic & Tails together" as the main default from a narrative standpoint and gameplay standpoint for every game, rather than just having Sonic alone. So many problems could've been solved that way.
Knuckles really needs what his fleetway counterpart has
>>565254767Tails is the Robin of Sonic's Batman. Once they were inseperable as the little one is a self insert for the target audience, but as the audience grows they find them irrelevant.
>>565254767That wouldn't really solve the problem. In fact it would make it worse.Tails' issue is he ultimately is caught between growing out of Sonic's shadow and people wanting him shackled to him as his sidekick.There's a reason why people always go on about SA2 Tails.
>>565253537Hilda the Hyena, Tempest the Dolphin, Bump the Deer, Sage the Sloth, and Tangerine the Echidna.
>>565255065This has nothing to do with the general or Sonic.
>>565254891Which Robin is the most like Tails?
>>565254949The problem with Tails is that he was largely shafted after SA1, and SA2 was the start of that, and Unleashed was the next major step that crippled him even more. Tails should have remained as he was in SA1, and kept going from there. It'd be better to have Sonic & Tails as dual-protagonists, so Tails can face the personal character-growth side of things that people can relate to, while Sonic remains the static aspirational symbol.
>>565254767Tails should have been a girl.
>>565253658Meant to >>565253537
>>565255256Tim Drake
>>565255365No, Tails is not Amy or Cream.
>>565255285>The problem with Tails is that he was largely shafted after SA1, and SA2 was the start of that,....how?>Tails should have remained as he was in SA1, and kept going from there. It'd be better to have Sonic & Tails as dual-protagonists, so Tails can face the personal character-growth side of things that people can relate to, while Sonic remains the static aspirational symbolThat doesn't really work if he is glued to Sonic.
>>565255365tails is a girl
It's Sparky, isn't it.
>>565255586The one who says Tails shouldn't be a girl and is Sonic's Robin? 99% certainty.
>>565255586sparky is besto gril
>>565255256I feel like that isn't the right question to ask. Nightwing is story that Tails' character is built for, especially in the Adventure games. Red Hood is the "bad ending", like Emerl dying but coming under Eggman as Gemerl. Tim Drake is just meant to fill the role of Robin as the status quo sidekick to Batman, to fill the empty spot created by Nightwing's own evolution beyond the role and Jason's death. Damian was Robin to Nightwing's Batman, and Batman's actual son, with a much edgier and more violent nature at first which contrasts the usual vibe of Robin being the light to Batman's darkness. Tails at his core is Nightwing. If Tails isn't allowed to grow and his intellect consumes his whole personality, he becomes Tim Drake. >>565255454>That doesn't really work if he is glued to Sonic.It's not about being glued to Sonic, it's about being in the spotlight as a protagonist whether he's with Sonic or not. If the focus is only on Sonic, while Tails is just "the sidekick following him", then both characters fail.
You want porn Sparky?
Post that Salugh imageYou know which one
>>565255853I'm not a girl. >>565255454>....how?SA2 putting him in the mech. That should never have happened, in the way it did.
Should Amy get her own game? What should it be about and how should it play?
>>565255949>It's not about being glued to Sonic, it's about being in the spotlight as a protagonist whether he's with Sonic or not.>If the focus is only on Sonic, while Tails is just "the sidekick following him", then both characters fail.That wouldn't change anything. How characters exist in relation to one another has an effect on perception.Also no Tails is not the Simon to Sonic's Kamina
>>565255987No.>>565255792I did not post >>565254891
>>565256205No.
>>565255997
>>565255285Tails (and most characters) problems are they got to have an arc in one game and that's it. Sega wants their characters to be static, but also wants to have these big epic stories at the same time.
>>565252256is this AI?
>>565256092yes, but your oc is cute as a girl
>>565256092>SA2 putting him in the mech. That should never have happened, in the way it did.Why? It pushed Tails out of being a Sonic wannabe and more towards what makes him stand out, which is clearly the direction SA1 had with him going after Eggman instead of Sonic in his story and gameplay.
>>565256314Yes
>>565256205you have to avoid sucking dicks because sonic won't love you if you're a slut
>>565256205Should? Ionno.Would I like it if she did? YesWhat would it be about?Action RPG where Amy goes around Station Square doing favors for people, going on missions and fighting robots and junk.Basically what Sonic Adventure was originally supposed to be but cozier.
>>565256278fuuuuuck yeah
>>565256507>Action RPGAbsolutely flavorless suggestion.
>>565256226Tails IS the Simon to Sonic's Kamina, as that kind of dynamic is how Tails was constructed as a character. That's what Tails is on a fundamental level, that's what his story is about, that's his literal THEME SONG of "Believe in Myself" saying "I wanna fly high so I can reach the highest of all the heavens", which is the overarching story of Gurren Lagann itself as well. The only thing is that Tails exists as Simon to highlight that Sonic is Kamina, emphasizing Sonic as the cool icon we're meant to admire. Meaning, if Gurren Lagann focused on Kamina alone rather than Simon's evolution, which is the problem here when it comes to how Tails is handled, and what either the fandom or certain writers do with Sonic. Sonic is meant to be a static mascot, and Tails is meant to grow and evolve. The ideal is to do both at once, by having them both be co-leads, more or less. Instead of just pairing Sonic with some new guy and kicking Tails to the curb, each game.
>>565256620>Absolutely flavorless suggestion.Flavorless how? You want me to say Action Adventure instead?
>>565253439Mine's like 99%.
A JRPG in Station Square would be comfy as fuck.
>>565256685That's similarly bland, because it's another generic default focused what you would like to play instead of what would make an interesting game starring Amy.
>>565256658It's been like 5 years and Sparky still just factory resets after every conversation.Simon didn't learn to be Kamina. Kamina was showing Simon how to be himself.Sonic isn't showing Tails how to be himself. Sonic is just doing his thing, Tails follows him and then learns to stop larping as him and be his own person.
>>565256359>It pushed Tails out of being a Sonic wannabe and more towards what makes him stand out,No the heck it didn't, don't lie to me. SA1 Tails does what Sonic does. SA2 Tails does what Eggman does. The entire mech gameplay is EGGMAN's gameplay. Not Tails. It started with Gamma in SA1. That's EGGMAN's domain. Shoving Tails in the mech just made him an "Eggman wannabe", it doesn't make him "stand out" at all. And beyond that, it destroyed the actual foundation of his character both in and out of gameplay. It's half the reason Tails is viewed as "just" a smart guy, who can't do anything without tech. "Smart" is not Tails' core ability. It's FLYING.
>>565256874If i chose what I'd like to play I woulda made it a Turn Based RPG dungeon crawler like EO, lol.I chose what I did because I think it's what makes sense for Amy.
>>565252396OCs are the most interesting thing to talk about in this dumb franchise
>>565256205If Ian's gonna make up stupid shit intents for Amy, like sharing her love with the world, then I want him to figure out what that genuinely looks like, because listening to him talk about it on BumbleKast makes it sound like even he doesn't know. Just make it her Frontiers gameplay and give me like a single island's worth of content for $20-30.
>>565257032Just ignore and you know what else him
>>565256883>>565256883>and then learns to stop larping as him and be his own person.That's not what actually happens, though, at all. Interpreting Tails as just "larping as Sonic", and being shoved in a mech as "being his own person", is a massive misread of the character entirely that only shows you don't like anything about Tails in his Classic to SA1/Advance series depiction at all. Doesn't seem like you understand Sonic's impact on Tails either. Gurren Lagann is just far more overt about what the Sonic series hints at.
>>565256980>SA1 Tails does what Sonic does.Until he stops and focuses on working on his transforming plane, which parallels Eggmans transforming Egg carrier battle ship. He gets separated from Sonic, comes back with the plain, separates from Sonic again and then goes after Eggman.Tails is a budding tech savant and Eggman is an old vet. Even in his debut Tails was introduced to show that Tech can be used for good unlike Eggman that uses it for bad.
>>565257115>Frontiers gameplayit's been 20 years my nigga
Fiona on drugs vs Horny SallyWho would win?
>>565257289>spoilerplap?
>>565256846Isn't that already SA1?
>>565257330Its not a misread. it just doesn't appeal to you or your character laundering... Because you're just as guilty of trying to force adjacentism to Sonic to make a character out to be more popular.>>565257330>Doesn't seem like you understand Sonic's impact on Tails either.1. You aren't Tails, Sparky.2. The series isn't about Sonic's impact on Tails.>Gurren Lagann is just far more overt about what the Sonic series hints at.Gurren Lagann was about Simon from the beginning. Sonic isn't about Tails.
>>565257431Drugs can wear off, but Sally's lust will never be sated
>>565257340Tails' actual gameplay in SA1 is still the same general stuff he's been doing since Sonic 2. Sonic Adventure 2 shoving him in a mech is not character growth in that regard, he shouldn't be copying Eggman so much that his actual physical capabilities are completely shafted. His core ability is flying fast enough to keep up with Sonic, -and- he tinkers with technology to the point of rivaling Eggman. On paper, Tails having the mech is cool as an additional thing, not a replacement. Tails' gameplay should not be locked to just Sky Chase Zone alone, he is meant to race alongside Sonic with his own natural flying ability. What makes Tails unique is being like Sonic & Eggman combined, not just one or the other.
>>565256205There should be an open world Sonic game that lets you bring other characters along on your travels and if you're playing as Sonic, there should be an option to go a date with Amy and vice versa that will trigger different dialogue and animations based on where you go
>>565257670>Tails' actual gameplay in SA1 is still the same general stuff he's been doing since Sonic 2.In Sonic's playthrough...until he isn't.SA1 in general was a reintroduction and direction for the cast as a whole. Tails was snapped out of being Sonic's satellite and doing his own thing. Amy went from being kidnapped to being able to fight back against robots, etc.Tails starts as a Sonic satellite (and its by far the most boring uninteresting part of his playthrough) into doing his own thing, looking for a chaos Emerald to finish the tornado 2 which is able to breech the Egg Carrier where Sonic's plane couldn't. Then Tails chases Eggman instead of Sonic. The symbolism couldn't be more clear.>Tails' gameplay should not be locked to just Sky Chase Zone alone,Nobody said this though. That said, I personally think Sky Chase should have only been playable in Tails playthrough with the Tornado 2.We didn't need to play it 4 times.
>>565257115It's likely all malarkey. He just wants Amy to get over Sonic.
https://youtu.be/Z8e-SStDMf4?si=qQDo_1j4encVpMXe
>>565258320Well yeah, he's all but said as much. He's blatantly said he wants to kill their dynamic and tone her down. But everyone points to that one line because it's nonsensical and he doesn't seem to really have any intention on what to do with it when asked after the fact. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and a chance to actually do it, but I don't think he can or will. I expect a reset to status quo on the next game.
>>565257589The series as a whole not being about Tails is honestly what hurts his character the most. -Sonic- himself as a character only works when he's used to lift someone else up, to inspire them, or incite their growth or development in some way. That's how Sonic works as a character in stories. So to have a character like Tails, whose whole identity revolves around being inspired by and looking up to Sonic but struggling with his own insecurities, and his primary role is to be Sonic's sidekick and "player 2", should mean that he should carry all of the narrative weight that Sonic never does or never can. It'd be better if Unleashed had Tails struggle with Dark Gaia's influence to contrast and highlight Sonic being completely immune despite being the Werehog, or if Black Knight had Tails learn how to be a knight / swordsman in a more traditional way to contrast Sonic's complete and utter rejection of Knighthood in favor of what he alone thinks is right. Instead of just making Sonic alone carry all that narrative weight and then reject it entirely, which makes some people think he's a "gary stu" or whatever when they don't understand him. Sonic is the absolute coolest guy ever. Tails should be used in-contrast to that, to make that concept shine better, by having Tails be the one who has to struggle a lot more to reach that same level.
>>565256620>>565256507Imagine DBZ Kakarot but Sonic.
>>565258654DBZ Kakarot is an Action RPG and pretty much literally what i described. But instead of 1v1 Fights, you have Action Stages similar to Adventure.
>>565252256Was Rouge's design a mistake or a forbidden power?
I'm not playing a game where Tails is the main character. He fucking sucks and peaked at the ending of Sonic 2 (same way how every other character peaked in their debut game). Sonic should keep rotating sidekicks.
>>565259000You didn't play his two spinoff games?
>>565258257>Then Tails chases Eggman instead of Sonic. The symbolism couldn't be more clear.Whatever symbolism you think is there doesn't exist. Tails story ends with Tails alone as the only one who can stop Eggman, because Sonic isn't here. That's the point. Not Tails "Chasing Eggman instead of Sonic". It's Tails proving that he can do what Sonic can do, without relying on Sonic. He literally spells this out in his own pre-level dialogue. the overall "Race" structure of Tails' gameplay as a whole should've remained the basis for him overall in future games. In fact, the entire Riders sub-series should've centered around Tails, it's the perfect way to emphasize his speed AND his tech in a way that reinforces that Tails is one of the fastest characters in the series but not the -absolute- fastest like Sonic is, because the whole point of racing is challenging how fast you are and proving yourself. Racing fits Tails way more than Sonic, for that reason. Sonic is Wally West, he IS Speed. That's why people don't take Jet seriously as a rival even though he IS a serious rival. But the narrative weight of Jet would hit a lot harder if he was used in-contrast to Tails, and that would make Jet's rivalry with Sonic also work a lot better on its own as well. In my opinion, at least.
Tails isn't getting taken seriously as anything but Sonic's cute nerdy little brother sidekick, without a redesign. Something that helped Amy was her redesign. Pushed her out of just cute innocent little girl to Spunky Gal.Robin becomes Nightwing, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WZzEqQ1ZG0
>>565257486Against his will. announcing r is against the rules so I can't exactly say the exact phrase but I can heavily imply it as a joke.
>>565259000What, do you want to erase the ENTIRE cast and have a completely brand new set of characters for Sonic alone to interact with in every single game? Just make an ENTIRE new world and characters and story to drop Sonic alone in, every game? Without ANYONE ever returning or being a regular face? That'd be a terrible idea.
>>565259098Played through them both (even played through all of Tails Adventure again because i locked myself out of getting the white emerald near the end of the game) and that's more than he deserves
Tying Sparky Scribbles and Randomfox together so I can interrogate them for windnic stuff and beat all shippers in arguments
>>565259343I know
>>565259195>He literally spells this out in his own pre-level dialogue.?>The overall "Race" structure of Tails' gameplay as a whole should've remained the basis for him overall in future gamesThis would have made Tails' gameplay the most hated bar none because it would just be doing Sonic's again.
>>565259557>This would have made Tails' gameplay the most hated bar none because it would just be doing Sonic's again.Like in the classics
>>565258625Ian Flynn is a meddlesome and mischievous rat. I absolutely do not trust him. He admitted he put that "I want to share my love with the world" line because he wanted Amy to stop trying to win Sonic's love. Morio Kishimoto noticed this and rewrote Amy in the Japanese of Frontiers to say, "Going straight for someone without looking aside to tell them you love them... that's nice and all, but it's not enough. I was only thinking about the immediate future...To figure out what I need to do now, I need to find myself to be more refined."In one of the last cutscenes of Frontiers' main story, Amy tells Sonic in the English version, "Sonic! You still have love to share with this world too!" However, the Japanese version makes Amy say, "You haven't seen me as a lovely lady yet!"The Japanese script is superior because it doesn't try to erase Amy's personality
>>565259195Sparky what are your thoughts on the narrative/aesthetic changes brought on during the transition to modern Sonic? Do you believe the series should've maintained it's cartoony style and more subtle/non verbal storytelling and tone?
>>565259287Blue shoes and arm canon.
>>565253762This would make sense if it was Nicky
>>565258934Red and blue with yellow highlights was a fad when most of these characters were conceived. Mario even jumped on the trend, switching him from brown.
You guys say crazy things and it's weird.
>>565259619Nobody actually played as Tails in the classics because his gameplay isn't actually fun and he isn't as cool as Sonic. He was little brother mode.
>>565259430Yes actually Just keep rotating characters instead of dragging them through more shitKnuckles should've stayed on his islandShadow should've stayed deadBlaze should've stayed in her dimension Silver should've ceased to exist the moment the past was fixedMake rare brief cameos at most >brand new worldWhere did I say that? Same world, different characters
>>565259000Tails was created to be a mainstay and the only character that would go regularly on adventures with Sonic. He's baked into the series in a fundamental way. He has loads of narrative potential
Tails could be fun in 3D if he flew like a helicopter.
>>565260062This is the first time I've seen fanart of Surge with the correct belly color
>>565259736why is ian SUCH a yurifag?
>>565259809Neither would do anything. Tails is just to cute little brother coded and its too much of a core part of why people like him. The real problem is some people don't outgrow the character and move on to another.My own little bro was a Tailsfag but moved on to Shadow.
>>565260051Well he has none anymore, as everyhing is already explored
>>565259959>Nobody actually played as Tails in the classicsYOU didn't, because you don't play the games lol. Oh, here's how I know btw:>his gameplay isn't actually funHe plays the exact same as Sonic in one game, and in the other he gets the flight which yes is fun>>565259736This is what I've been saying. Applies to Tails and Knuckles too
>>565260149Because Yuri is master.
>>565257431Me, the viewer.
>>565260128It's very rare
>>565259959Tails has the same gameplay as Sonic in 2 so your argument doesn't work there. And his ability to fly in Sonic 3 is fun and well implemented
>>565259782Are the redesigns not cartoony?
>>565259968>Silver should've ceased to exist the moment the past was fixedSeems excessive. He can just exist in a new future.You couldn't even try to hide your Silver schizophrenia can you.
>>565260128Tan tits are cute.
>>565260196Not really. At all. The majority of Sonic characters haven't come close to exhausting their narrative resources. Which is one of the reasons why this is called a potential series
>>565260417Bro just go fuck a human then
>>565260196Not true, he is Sonic's BEST partner and he bridges the gap between nature and technology (this can still be seen in later games like Colors)
>>565259863>Red and blue with yellow highlights was a fad when most of these characters were conceived.Those characters were all conceived decades apart from each other.
>>565260149It's his fetish and he's a millennial ultraliberal who thinks femininity in women is a bad thing>>565260198I trust Japanese writers with the characters much more than Ian Flynn but if Ian Flynn has to write the characters, then he needs to be put on a leash so he won't be able to sabotage any of the characters. Shadow Generations and its animation were written by Ian Flynn but were in-character because Ian was put on a leash. Sadly, he was given near-total freedom to do whatever he wanted elsewhere
>>565260381They are certainly "cartoon characters" in the sense that they're anthropomorphic animals but not to the same extent the classic designs were. Which is fine but the difference exists
>>565259968>>565260395Sometimes I wish to see Silver fighting his alternate self or selves over getting the future exactly like he remembers it. Fucking is also an option.
>>565259557>?Tails' dialogue in the cutscene before Speed Highway. How he's changed a lot since hanging with Sonic, but can't depend on him forever. He can't keep running behind Sonic, he's gotta run with his own strength, and stuff like that.>>565259557>This would have made Tails' gameplay the most hated bar none because it would just be doing Sonic's again.It doesn't have to be exactly the same as how it was implemented there, I'm just saying the overall idea of translating his classic gameplay into "racing" makes the most sense for his character. And it'd be cool if it could be like the Riders series, with the use of Extreme Gear in some kind of way to incorporate his Tech in a way that compliments and adds to his natural ability to fly.
Ian Flynn is a good writer and ya'll should accept him, as he was around for two decades now
>>565260395>spoiler???I think the only schizo here is you, also>exist in a new futureWouldn't be the same Silver then. If anything, Silver could be one of the few characters they could keep bringing back, but with a different look and personality due to all the time bullshit going on (like Dr. Who), but they don't and we're led to believe that current Silver is still the same Silver from the Rivals games. Silver's future doesn't feel like a different point in time, it feels like just another generic location.
If you get angry at a specific thing too many times and nobody else does you fall into schizo territory and become easy to recognize
>>565260198>YOU didn't, because you don't play the games lol. I did. In Sonic 2, I played as Sonic and Tails. My brother played as Tails because he was my little brother and made to play little brother mode. Just like you Sparky.>He plays the exact same as Sonic in one game, and in the other he gets the flight which yes is funUnless you went out of your way to switch to Tails only in Sonic 2, which not only did most people not know how to do but since it didn't change anything but slightly make your hitbox a bit shorter (which most people also didn't know) there wasn't much reason to. Doesn't help that unlike Sonic, Tails gets no Superform.>Sonic 3.Tails Flight was appealing in the way that giving your players flight in a platformer was considered cool because flight is broken in platformers and feels like cheating, but in Sonic specifically it isn't really good at all. it doesn't flow into the core gameplay and there isn't really much to find as Tails with in in Sonic 3 at all.whatsmore is Tails doesn't get the extra abilities from the instashield, and again, doesn't get Super Sonic.>SuperTails with the Hyper Emeralds.Flicky Army of death is cool but hardly worth all the effort, let alone fun since its just you standing still.For the record, I don't think Knuckles' gameplay is good either since his climbing is slow and unmodular and his gliding as well. it doesn't flow into the gameplay. He at least has the benefit of having level design built for him though.
>>565260846I don't really like having story affect gameplay like that. Tails should just play like a fun 3D platformer. The multiple playable styles in the Adventure games were ultimately a liability that was inevitably going to fade
Can I a hot female namefag date me please?
>>565260505Kit Doll
Big titty small animal women.
>>565261018yes
>>565261018>Can I, a hot female namefag, dateOk, but I need pics first.
>>565259782Sonic's roots in the rubber hose style should remain a core facet of the series, but my overall impression of Sonic is a perfect hybrid of the old-school rubber hose "Toons" and Shonen battle action stuff... in a way I can only describe as a hybrid of One Piece & Kingdom Hearts, to some degree.
>>565260275see>>565260980I actually believe Ray is more fun than every previous character in Classic 2D
>>565260884>y'allYou expect me to take you seriously?
>>565261125I should also add that my impression of Sonic is that he's also made of a lot more than just those two things, it's just easier to pinpoint it to those as the major two aesthetic aspects.
>>565261175Anon...
>>565260980Let me guess you think Sonic games should be fast fast fast all times and any sort of more precise maneuvers (like Tails' flight) makes things slow and clunky
>>565260846>How he's changed a lot since hanging with Sonic, but can't depend on him forever. He can't keep running behind Sonic, he's gotta run with his own strength, and stuff like that.That's what I thought and that doesn't mean what you insist it means then. It's saying what I have been saying.
>>565260980Wow, that's a lot of coping. Sonic games are designed around replayability and switching to a different character adds to that. I'm not Sparky btw. And I agree on Knuckles actually, I never understood why Adventure haters didn't realize the alternate playstyles with major differences started in 3&K and how much clunkier Knuckles is in 2D compared to any of the 3D games. I would also say Tails' flight plays better in 3D compared to 3&K, but it's still enjoyable to me
>>565261018Which namefag are you and maybe
I love my wolf husband
>>565261321Hi, do you plan drawing him?
>>565261321You love rape
>>565261304>I never understood why Adventure haters didn't realize the alternate playstyles with major differences started in 3&KThere's a difference between different characters having different move sets and different characters playing completely different mini games
>>565261175What are you replying to?
>>565261175What the fuck are you talking about man
>>565261606An anon foolishly saying that Ian Flynn is a good writer
>>565260184Tails shouldn't be "outgrown" because he himself is supposed to grow.
>>565260395>>565260884Wasn't me.
Cream in the Advance games has better flight gameplay than Tails. She can't fly as long, but she has better air movement. Tails always felt like a drag whenever you had to mindlessly mash the jump button to fly and watch him slowly descend back to ground. He was only ever fun to play in SA1, but even then the level design for his stages didn't make use of his moveset.
Am woman gib maney
>>565261718I think you're going schizophrenic
>>565261838am man gib bobs
>>565261574The only minigame character in SA1 is Big. If you really stretch it you can include Knuckles in that, since his goal isn't to get from point A to point B, but 3&K also had exploration to find the special stages, so it's not completely unprecedented either. Regardless though, the conversation was about movement. Knuckles' movement in SA1 and SA2 flows much better than in 3&K
>>565261290It means exactly what Tails says in the scene. What I'm saying is based on that.
Tails' flight is fun. He plays the same as Sonic but with an extra ability that allows you to skip some tricky parts of levels as well as swimming. How is that bad unless you just want to fly over everything and ignore the level design?
>>565261810>the level design for his stages didn't make use of his movesetSpeed Highway does. The others try in different ways, but don't quite succeed. I wish they'd expand more on Speed Highway>>565261995I agree
>>565260846>And it'd be cool if it could be like the Riders series, with the use of Extreme Gear in some kind of way to incorporate his Tech in a way that compliments and adds to his natural ability to fly.We're just cribbing the Babylon rogues thing now to turn Tails into Jet? Why lol.>>565261304>spoilerI agree that both were more fun in 3D but I don't even really like playing as Tails in SA1 since it's just Sonic's levels again but you skip all the level design. in 2D, it wasn't a problem because of how 2D Sonic level design is but in 3D he really does just break the level design, and future games would all work to nerf his flight to compensate.Knuckles is way better as an explorative gameplay style. Gliding and climbing lend themselves to hunting for trinkets and exploring open 3D space which is way better fit for him than the 2D gameplay.I wanna continue on my point about Tails' flight though by comparing him to a character with even more OP flight than him. Kirby. Kirby famously has the ability to float but to compensate they put airborne enemies to discourage it so its more a crutch for new players rather than a core gameplay appeal of Kirby. Kirby is most fun when you aren't really using his flight at all.I feel similarly with Tails. If I'm using his flight, its not really fun. I'm just using it as a copout for a given section of the level.
>>565261397yep!>>565261449perhaps
>>565261838we are traditionalists here at /sthg/, therefore women aren't allowed to have emone
>>565262194Cool, I'm assuming you're referring to that comic wip you posted earlier?
>>565261705>>565261864Look at at the chain of replies
>>565261280Tails' flight isn't "precise maneuvering though. It's just an interruption to the flow of your gameplay where you mash A to slowly ascend to an area for maybe a ring box. One you can access by just using the actual level design.If anything Tails flight requires less precision.I think Tails' flight gameplay was best in Heroes desu. The only time in 2D it was appreciated was Advance to find Chaos emerald Springs and Chao
>>565262136>We're just cribbing the Babylon rogues thing now to turn Tails into Jet? Why lol.No, I'd rather the Babylon Rogues be rivals for Tails in this sense. Let Tails carry the Riders series, instead of people ridiculing Jet as a "joke" because they can't take his rivalry with Sonic seriously. >>565260980>Just like you Sparky.That post isn't mine.
>>565262315Sorgy, gib marry then divors for half moni
>>565262291I genuinely can't believe they're pulling this shit, man. Pretty clear it's gonnna be like 3 years till we get Frontiers 2.
>>565262327You need your eyes checked, anon
>>565246134These are the same people who in spite of all evidence to the contrary will tell you Sonic is homeless, and then blue screen themselves when told that Sonic doesn't even own a fucking smartphone
>>565262429You can half my pack of smokes and 40 ouncer.
>>565261719But that means he is stuck in potentialboy mode forever because he has to always be "growing".Other characters grow but don't have "growing" as a core part of their character concept.They just grow.So players will outgrow Tails and move on to characters that have actually grown.
>>565262323oh, that one's done, so I'm gonna draft the next onethe 4koma structure is a good limitation
>>565261995>skip some tricky parts of levelslike?This is kind of just this thing we say about Tails' flight without much thought but in practice it doesn't really come up.
>>565262530Schizos have no self awareness
>>565262427It sounds to me what you want is to make Tails the main character and make everything revolve around Tails.
>>565262530>>565262875I meant to talk about >>565260871
>>565262136I've noticed Sonic Team used a variety of approaches to Tails' gameplay in 3D level design. Speed Highway makes the player platform with it through long distances. Wave Ocean and Aquatic Base are about getting used to how far and how high he can go. Casinopolis has low ceilings. Windy Valley, Radical Train, and Kingdom Valley make you fly through dash rings, the last one with alternating lasers in between them. And Crisis City has some dash rings, but it's mostly about climbing upwards. I think all these expect the dash rings without obstacles would be interesting to explore furtherI would comment on Frontiers, but I haven't played The Final Horizon enough yet
>>565262636Tails just has to reach Nightwing level, and be more dynamic than Sonic.
>>565262372Post more
Anyways tl;dr is flying is fun and I appreciate Tails' abilities in all the games
>>565263004You were better off not giving that fag any (You)'s
>>565263160If they tried to make Tails go NightWing he would just get called an edgy incel OC like Nine.Tails is doomed to be Sonic's lil bro sidekick forever since people don't want him to be his own character. All people ever want is for people to compete with Sonic at being Sonic.
>>565263329You just want to pet him and gauge his reaction.
>>565262967No, what I actually want is Tails, Amy & Knuckles to each be main characters carrying their own sides of the franchise, and Sonic himself remains the central core pillar in-between them all. Everything revolves around Sonic, but most of the narrative weight should come from his kid sidekick, his girlfriend, and his friendly rival. Tails has all the character development Sonic doesn't, Amy can be physically challenged in ways Sonic isn't despite being just as much of a paragon, and Knuckles' own personal values and ideals can be challenged and tested while Sonic just wouldn't care.
Sonic Revengeance.
>>565263160See man Tails already is that. He is a partner to Sonic and together they form the perfect duo. Tails isn't just a follower. And he does his own things/projects as seen in Sonic Channel. Sonic and Tails team up out of liking each other
>>565263585michael bay
>>565263438Not true I also want to hug him
>>565263497>No, what I actually want is Tails, Amy & Knuckles to each be main characters carrying their own sides of the franchise, and Sonic himself remains the central core pillar in-between them all.The simple truth is Tails, Knuckles and Amy cant carry pillars of the series on their own like Shadow can.And I'd go a step further and say of the 3, Tails probably can do it the least.
>>565263360Nine is cool, though. Nine's character design and backstory are just an upgraded version of Tails' own core concepts taken a step further. His story in the show itself centers around an OOC Sonic more than it does Nine himself, though.
Every character is built for (you), yes (YOU), to explore their potential in fan works is what people that cope about the official writing say
>>565263585This is basically Rusty Rose from Sonic Prime but instead of Rusty Rose being Amy from a bad future in which she was kidnapped by Eggman and turned into an evil cyborg, it's Sonic in her place
>>565263305
Randomfox stop posting in the digimon general please
>>565263585The only way to make Santiago even gayer than he already is.
>>565263623Despite this being how they are framed in Heroes, people still came out of Heroes seeing Tails as regressing from SA2 because Tails when going band for band with Sonic will always just end up in his shadow and be his sidekick.
>>565263360Nine is the best part of Prime
>>565263623In theory yes, "canonically" yes, but in practice that just isn't true enough.Which just means they just have to actually write and portray Tails better, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.
>>565263714Cute!
>>565263714Well my logic is that if the official universe isn't exactly how I like it, I'll make my own power fantasy.
>>565263671>The simple truth is Tails, Knuckles and Amy cant carry pillars of the series on their own like Shadow can.nta but I don't buy this, especially regarding knuckles
According to Sonic Prime, if Tails never met Sonic he would just kill and kill and kill
>>565263497Well, you've got a core problem there. Amy isn't Sonic's girlfriend, he barely tolerates her presence, and she has never been popular or substantial enough to carry a "side of the franchise," unlike Tails and Knuckles at their peaks.While SOJ has repeatedly tried to force her as a main character, the truth is that the "core four" at this point is Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Shadow, and Amy isn't in fifth place either. She might not even be tenth.
>>565263826Edgy brat :anger: :anger:
>>565263843How isn't it in practice? In Unleashed Tails is shown to have connections to Spagonia university and that got recently explored in Sonic Channel material among other things. Guess what, that has nothing to do with Sonic!
>>565264028He wasn't beating up ancient demons on his own while Sonic wasn't around therefore it doesn't count
>>565263996Ten years ago that'd be true but today there are a lot of vocal fans of Amy
>>565263979Feel free to try and convince me otherwise.
>>565263996>Barely tolerates her presenceHave you been living under a rock? Also, Amy should be Sonic's girlfriend. it's only natural after so much emotional build-up between her and Sonic
>>565264121:P>>565264005Edgy but cute
I think you should focus less on Ian and more on Iizuka's opinions on the characters
>>565264252Cute kitty :)
>>565264028He had connections to Spagonia university so that Tails can be Sonic's liaison to Professor Pickle who can exposit stuff about the Gaia temples to Sonic and the player.
>>565263996Amy is the "Sonic's girlfriend" character, stop projecting whatever issue you have with her onto the character itself. Amy is a core character in the series, and Shadow fundamentally can never be "Core" at all because Shadow IS Sonic. It's not: 1. Sonic2. Tails3. Knuckles4. ShadowBECAUSE SHADOW IS NUMBER 1, PERIOD. SHADOW WILL -NEVER- BE ANYTHING BELOW 1, UNLESS 3 IS SILVER, AND IT STOPS THERE. Otherwise, Shadow is, and can only be, a replacement/alternative to Sonic himself as the idealized mascot face of the franchise. Because he is "Dark Sonic", and the appeal of his character is being the "cooler/darker" Sonic to the point that he's a partial cause for Sonic himself being made OOC.
Sonic sales have been barely getting by and people think a game starring Amy Rose would be a hit.
>>565264296Iizuka only cares about Shadow
>>565264296We know he LOOOOVES Shadow but what does he think about Amy?
I'm serious, there is nothing more cringe than seeing Fox's JP purist seething accidentally post to the digimon general. Cut it out.
>>565263996>unlike Tails and Knuckles at their peaks.At there peeks they gave us Tails Adventure, Sky Patrol (which was just a painted over Disney game) and Chaotix.
>>565263745Not like that! She can’t fight with that crap. Even Tails would be able to topple that lard-filled oak tree.
>>565263981No. Nine was a completely reclusive shut-in who just wanted to be left alone in his bunker. The ONLY reason Nine became a villain is because of meeting Prime Sonic. The OOC bad writing Sonic had in Prime, is what caused Nine's spiral to villainy, when Nine otherwise would have been completely isolated in his bunker not bothering anyone.
>>565264252Needs correction!
>>565264394I'm an Amyfag and even I'm not that delulu, but I don't think Tails and Knuckles would either.Sonic's gotta be attached to it one way or the other.
PARTNERS
>>565264548So Sonic, canonically, made a shut in into a mass murderer
Admit Nine was cool already
Friendly reminder that Sonic has the worst campaign in SA1. Tails own would be fine if not for Sonic's.
>>565264805Prime Sonic fails so hard at being "Sonic" that he causes the primary example of Sonic's influence to become the villain. That's why Sonic flat-out doesn't exist in Sonic Prime. And they have the nerve to call it "Sonic Prime"...
>>565264394Sonic games sell very well in the grand scheme of things. Most games struggle to sell half a million copies, Sonic sells 5 times as much effortlessly.
>>565265042Eh Knuckles' campaign also isn't that great. He doesn't really grow or learn anything by the end beyond reinforcing character traits we already knew he had
>>565264889Nine would be cooler if he got to meet the ACTUAL Sonic, and we could see Sonic's influence on Tails and why he looks up to him from within this new context and background.
>>565265208Nine is cool but I do wish Prime was IC and lore accurate too
>>565265103Sonic on average has a ceiling of 2M
>>565264463Shadow's conquest
If Sonic wants to taell well they should meet the audience where they live and the newer games should explore mature themes like cumflation.
Amy and Rouge are objectively richer, more complex, more independent, more proactive and just better characters when they are the stalker girlfriend and the sex appeal respectively, you take that away from them and they become nothing more than girl1 and girl2 and only exist in the story as passive observers.
>>565264548>The ONLY reason Nine became a villain is because of meeting Prime Sonic.Sonic Prime is so weird. The show doesn't explain what Chaos Emeralds are, you are expected to know that from the games. The show doesn't explain what dark things Shadow is capable of, Sonic says that and you are expected to remember it.Orbot and Cubot are just there. The show IS supposed to fit in the canon, that's the only reason it has that timeline reset ending, but it still doesn't fit.Then there's everything about Nine. Sonic meets this guy and Nine tries to drive him away while Sonic keeps bugging him and insisting that he's Tails. It feels like IDWnic's borderline harassment of Surge. Nine barely tolerates this guy for two seasons while constantly rolling his eyes and scoffing at him but then suddenly becomes jealous and pissed when Sonic mentions the "real Tails". Then Nine spends 8 entire fucking episodes trying to kill Sonic while what's left of the shatterverse tries to fend him off. Then Nine decides to seal himself away forever in the dark dimension. This sounds so fucking retarded and epic but it's the most boring show.
>>565265345Talking about the current era, but even at its lowest points in terms of sales Sonic was still doing well when you don't compare it to the biggest series in the world.
>>565265393It's a show for babies you're just supposed to find the action cool
>>565264504and amerishits have to pretend knuckles was the leader of Chaotix when he wasn't
>>565265392because shitga reduced them one-note gimmicks and then just removed that one note when people complained
>>565265198But Knuckles own is concise and cohesive. He may not change heavily, but reconciling with his fate after learning more about it is a valid thing for his character to choose to do. The game starts with him being ignorant about it and wondering why he was given his job, and it ends with him being content with his place in the world after. it's a subtle difference but still a meaningful one.Sonic's own just feels like random things happening for no reason.He also has the most gimmick sections on any story in the game.People just gaslit themselves into thinking his is better because they just replayed Speed highway over and over and forgot about everything else.
>>565265550do you have any idea how many scenes prime has where the characters talk about their feelings
>>565265392>Rouge extorting sex from shotabot using the Cream locketAnd this season was hand crafted for the American audience.
>>565265750Babies liked those scenes
Bokkun acts more like Satam Sonic than canon Sonic does
>>565265392>when they are the stalker girlfriend and the sex appeal respectivelyThat isn't what they really are, but the perspective of them that boils them down to that is what causes the reaction that utterly removes the actual traits they have. Amy isn't a stalker. She is passionate and enthusiastic, but ultimately a genuine friend and love interest for Sonic. But the view of her as a stalker causes that genuine passion and energy to be erased and attacked, causing her to become a completely different person that's described as "level headed" of all things.
>>565265393>IDWnic's borderline harassment of Surge.???
>>565265772She was blackmailing Bokkun by threatening to tell everyone that the locket had a picture of Cream, which implies Bokkun has a crush on Cream
>>565265982I don't like how IDWnic talks to Surge. It's creepy. He keeps insisting they'll be friends, he jumps into their business and gets into her personal space. It's not a sex thing but it's harassment to me. Leave her alone. It's especially bad in the Riders arc, he had no reason to keep doing that.
>>565265965People who were complaining "Amy is a stalker" is exactly why Amy's character has been destroyed in the English scripts and media. Screw them
>>565265393Yeah. If they wanted it to be canon they should fully commit to that, otherwise just go all in on making it its own thing. Same issue as IDW>>565265550It makes me happy that they do, I like when people enjoy things. In a few years we'll have kids nostalgic for Primenic and Movienic
Amy is one of the few characters who actually matter in this shithole series
>>565265739Sonic's story is just the end result of each other character's story involving him. You could theoretically piece the story together using JUST Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Gamma & Big, with the only real exception being Sonic's Lost World & Final Egg levels.
I BE THE FLYING DUTCHMAN https://youtu.be/5A77cKC_XoA?si=xP4cFzhC5O5Tgb10
>>565265965The idea Amy is a stalker just comes down to Heroes being an onboarding for a lot of new fans who never played previous games so when they play Sonic's story and the only info they get about Amy is her saying something about marriage before a fight, they make the conclusion that's what she is.Then they use this to inform anything and everything she ever does in any other game before and after. and since most kids didn't make it past PowerPlant energy rising section, they never learned what was going on with Team Rose that made them fight Team Sonic to begin with.
>>565266007>Bokkun is a pedophileThey never should have replaced him.
This is probably inappropriate but I just want to point out that the FOP ship war is still going three days later >>>/co/153437115I'm seeing it as a preview for how Sonamyfags will act if Sonic and Amy kiss in 2027
>>565265739It's because Sonic Adventure started as an rpg and I have a theory that they just wanted Sonic to be the common protagonist, serving as a link to the player while the other characters get actual stories. Nishiyama kept that approach in his writing which is why Sonic comes across as so bland in the Rush gamesMaekawa tried to give Sonic more of a personality though
https://youtu.be/-bHa25pyfqw?si=feNGRAH7xIiVBHsH
>>565266450isn't bokkun supposed to act like a kid tho
Tails is one of the many characters who actually matter in this golden series
>>565266373thanks for the free tutorial anon, finally have another peak vehicle to match the big bob
>>565265982Sonic is really rapey to Surge in IDW
>>565266238IDW Sonic early on was thematically confused and the themes were forced and not well-made
>>565266007>Rouge, a government agent, is blackmailing a child for possession of CP for the express purpose of enslaving himIn character.
>>565266397It was a retarded idea to have them fight in the first place. "duhhhh have the characters fight over a misunderstanding will make people like them" Heroes was just the worst trends of the classic games and the adventure games mashed together.
>>565266371Glad someone else finally caught on.Sonic's thing is how he affects other characters but since SA1 has every character have their own separate story, Sonic is left alone just making sure he makes it to other characters' cutscenes on time lol.If you remove the other characters from the equation, his SA1 Story is just him collecting emeralds for Eggman to steal and then a random fight against Eggy in his base for no reason.
>>565266397Am I one of the few people whose first impression was Heroes & X, but fully understand that she's just the pink Girl-Sonic "Minnie Mouse" character whose all about love and heart stuff, and thought the chasing Sonic stuff was cute and funny?
>>565266373can we all stop arguing about dumb shit to look at this cool as fuck custom vehicle
>>565265721They were Always one-note gimmick characters, but all their complexities and nuances they had were all built on top of their core gimmick
>>565266397Sega of America is just trying to please the detractors who hate Amy like that troid Jim Sterling and the Game Grumps. It truly feels like Sega of America never left the meta era. They're also woke now, which means they hate Amy's femininity. I hate SOA so much
Ruminating in the mire of my own mediocrity, accepting the immutable reality that my potential was never going to allow me to succeed in any pleasure I once coveted.The weak are fodder for those with strong will and favorable circumstance. Coming to terms with my position has brought me a bittersweet comfort, as I inch closer and closer to my conclusion.
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>>565266775their complexities and nuances were butchered in localization so sonic team stopped trying
>>565266775Cute bat.It's not often I am pulled away from all the hyper Rouge proportion fanart and remember that she's actually really cute.
I love my life because Sonic is in it
>>565266873That's really fucking gay and Sonic wouldn't want you to give up.You should join the military.
>>565266741Sonic Adventure 1 is kind of ... not well written at all. Like, the very concept of the different story campaigns weren't well handled or executed in practice, from that perspective of multiple perspectives, and how the game is designed. The writing itself in some instances is cool, but the overall end result is just weirdly handled. And Sonic's being the weakest is the prime example. The ideal would be Sonic's story as the central pillar structured like the Storybook series or whatever, but each other character's story branches out from and/or intersects with that. Instead, it feels like they did it all backwards.
>>565267067Shadow the Hedgehog is like that. The theme and concept isn't bad, but the delivery is awful.
>>565265739Whenever I played SA1, my favorite way to approach the game was to replay the stories from start to finish, the same way I play the classics. This is an option given in the menu, without deleting the save. My favorite stories to replay were Sonic and Tails>>565266471>Sonic Adventure started as an rpgI'm curious about this because "rpg" is rather vague and we don't exactly know what Iizuka meant. I wonder if he meant like turn based, which sounds like a very weird idea for such a major game. A theory I've had for years is that maybe he just wanted something kinda like Zelda in terms of general game design, and I think he achieved that with SA1. And I've been thinking this long before I realized and learned that he like ZeldaThat said he also used types in Heroes, so maybe he meant it in multiple ways
>>565266849Progs ruin everything they touch.
>>565266471I'm aware it started as an RPG, but RPGs typically have party systems. The real issue is everyone having to have their own separate story perspectives, so Sonic has to have a context for why he meets every character to unlock their story mode.SA1 is very much structured as a "what would a Sonic story be like from this perspective.Tails is usually tailing Sonic so 2/3rds of his story is just Sonic's but with less stuff until they get separated like Sky Chase in Sonic 2.Amy was kidnapped in Sonic CD so she is being chased by a robot and gets kidnapped.Gamma is a robot so you get to see what it would be like to be Egg Robo pretty much.Knuckles fights sonic because he was tricked like in the classics but then teams up with him.SA1 had to reestablish the characters to the world and it does so while also establishing new direction for all the characters too.
>>565265965>That isn't what they really areYes they are, Amy is that dorky girl that keeps following Sonic around, Rouge is the haughty femme fatale, they are the girlfriend and sex appeal first and foremost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI6GHHUCbRc
>>565266873You should write a book or something.
I think it's a sign of storytelling clarity being low if it doesn't get seen by audience for decades. >>565267352
What kind of game would you make?
>>565267502Breeding sim
>>565267348>establishing new directionNo it didn't, you even listed them, they still had the same direction. Only Amy fits this argument, because she's playable.
you are surge the tenrec
>>565267502Basically a 7th gen shooter power fantasy, plays arcadey but realistic graphically.
>>565267232>The theme and concept isn't bad, but the delivery is awful.Sonic the Hedgehog, in a nutshell. I'm so tired, man... Sonic is just so cool... But they constantly struggle to actually realize that potential. But the more you study Sonic and think about what they were aiming for, all you can think about is how could it could have been, and all the untapped potential... And then you notice everything they did right, all the music, all the character designs, all the gameplay and story that actually worked... and you notice everything that didn't work so much more now that you understand how much better it could have been. Once you see the vision of what Sonic should be, it makes the reality of what Sonic -is- in execution so much worse. But, it doesn't matter now what happens. I will never give up the fight! Long as the voice inside tells me to run and fight, it doesn't matter who is wrong and who is right! I'll have faith that tomorrow will be a brighter day, and someday soon, Sonic Team will finally give us everything we've been waiting for!!! Because Sonic the Hedgehog is the COOLEST series alive!
>>565267620You bite.
>>565266873All paths before you are cruel and harsh, but if you have the fire within you to make it this far, then you still have it to make farther to reach your conquered city. Steel your soul, reach out to those that will give aide in your journey, and rest as necessary to clear your mind. You will lose many battles, of mind and body, but the war is only over when you give up
>>565267352>Amy is that dorky girlFalse, Amy isn't a "dork". Amy is a cheerleader stacy type, Sonic is just the cool older senpai compared to her.
>>565267754Is it a bad sign if my internal logic is this larpy. I think the idea of just trying your best even if all your options suck still works.
>>565245703I don't believe that's how you treat a lady like 'nilla, anonAnyway: What's everyone munching on, I've got some cheese
>>565267910‘iona is queen
>>565267281RPG just means "role-playing game". It's ultimately more about immersing yourself into the story and world of the game.>>565267502Turn-based RPG with a similar combat flow to SMT IV's battles, in all honesty, that seems hard to mesh with Sonic.Fighting Game that takes place in a tournament arena.
I bought Robux for racist autism cat.
why don't they just make a good game it can't be that hard
>>565266709I think her fighting Sonic because of Chocola and Froggy is fine enough a reason but character battles haven't ever been good in these games so its hardly something I'm gonna die on a hill for.>>565266769The number is growing but not fast enough.>>565267067The thing about SA1 though is that you kind of end up not realising it because the other characters have decent stories, they actually get better the more you make your way down the list. This is then also compounded by the fact you have context from previous stories so by the time you get to the end, it feels more well conceived and put together than it actually is.>>565267067>Instead, it feels like they did it all backwards.I suspect that's literally what happened.Every other character's story feels like it had an actual plan in mind for them and Sonic's ends up feeling like its stitched together to make it all work. I know he is the glue that keeps it all together but damn lol.
https://youtu.be/tbzKP10lAvw?si=jGg4w2f2gdw4xyfU
>>565267281>I'm curious about this because "rpg" is rather vagueI think he meant like Zelda like an action ADVENTURE game.>Zelda isn't an RPGit's complicated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bCGPKlrfc8Station Square, Mystic Ruins and Egg Carrier are very clearly trying to have the same effect of a realized world that things like Hyrule and Termina were if you ask me.
Sonic Adventure has one of my favorite stories. I like how simple and straightforward Sonic's perspective is. Eggman is at it again, defeat him, that's it. You can tell there's a lot more going on, but Sonic doesn't care, he does his thing and that's it. I appreciate the simplicity of Sonic's story. But I also appreciate that it makes the world feel a lot bigger, because then you switch to Tails, and suddenly you see mostly the same things again, but from a different and more introspective point of view. And hen you play as Knuckles and start to learn more about the ancient legends that were in the background. And Gamma shows you what it's like to work for Eggman. Things you, as Sonic, wouldn't think about. You switch back to Sonic for the final story, and despite not having much context, he figures it all out quickly and has a simple and straightforward solution for Tikal. Everything about this shows how Sonic thinks and acts, while also revealing more about the world and characters in ways that Sonic alone never could, simultaneously highlighting who Sonic is and why the other characters are also unique and valuable. Even if the moment to moment narrative or sequence of events isn't always the most exciting thing in the series, I think it's great. And if you don't like the complicated stories, well, just ignore the rest and focus on Sonic only>>565268341Yeah I agree. The hubs are like the overworld and the stages are the dungeons, and you collect items to gain more abilities which gives you access to more parts of the worldBut I would still like to hear this clarification from Iizuka himself, especially since he talks about the "Sonic RPG" idea as something he hasn't realized yet
>>565268443what happens in 43% of lesbian relationships
>>565265965>described as "level headed" of all thingsThis shit makes me so mad.
>>565268149if it was easy the fan games would have run circles around the official games by now instead of being in the same area of mediocre
>>565268040I find Sonic games in general to be very immersive, and I think that's by design. I think it's true of Sonic 1 and even more so of most of the 3D games. But I think most people would get upset if you called them RPGs. Even Zelda is controversial in that regard. How do you feel about this?
>>565267561Tails pivots from just being Sonic's sidekick to working more with his tech and being able to stand on his own.Amy steps up and starts becoming a hero herself.Knuckles Takes steps into actually exploring the world outside his island.>>565267232Beta me too it.>>565267678>Sonic the Hedgehog, in a nutshell.Welcome to the family!
>>565268341>>565268513 (Me)Rereading this, I feel it reads like I disregarded your point about the hub worlds having the same feel as something like Hyrule, but what I wanted to say is that it's similar in both general feel and game design as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08woyryEQCQ
Barry
Tails!
>>565268149Making Sonic games that are good is actually hard because the series, as cool as it is, is ill conceived.>>565268513>ignore more than half the game
>>565253919>hanheld/Dimps titlesBattle and Pinball Party are actually by Jupiter Corporation
>>565269295Well, I wouldn't do it, but if you really hate the other characters then SA1 in particular isn't forcing you to play them. I think that's something positive about it, which it also shares with 3&K. You don't have to do the secondary objectives to unlock all the bonus stuff. I think SA2 made a mistake by forcing all the characters in the same two stories, because now you are actually forced to play them if you're only interested in some of the game's offerings rather than the full experience
>>565269626These two should bang.
>>565269239I remember the Gay Barry Rapist anon
>>565258654>Imagine reheated scamco nachoesFuck no
how do people feel about classic sonic talking
>>565268149They've made plenty
https://youtu.be/vEX9cypYnaM?si=9nnOuWEsAtCY2aXQ
>>565269781It's weird when he DOESN'T talk and everyone else does
>>565269781https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7r4Cfv-1mdg
>>565262291>>565262524This is literally just Switch 2 port of Frontiers and nothing else new, look at what the ratings content says>SEGA: we are not doing immediate DEs anymore, just trust us you dumb fucks
>>565269063Oh don't worry SA1friend, I didn't get that impression. You're fine.
>>565268026I think Alicia already has that role in a more literal sense
>>565270125I hate her nasty ass dreadlocks
>>565267352>>565267828being a sonic fan in any capacity drops you from a 10 to a 6
>>565263585TV-14 Sonic show if he written by Adi Shankar
>>565269627>SA1 in particular isn't forcing you to play them.I get tired of this argument. In order to get the actual ending of the game, you have to play the other stories.This isn't like Sonic 3 where you get a victory lap bonus level that doesn't meaningfully impact the story.
>>565269784name fifteen
>>565268152>her fighting Sonic because of Chocola and Froggyno one even realizedthat was the reason because of the shitty sa2 call-back
>>565270187I think she just has wavy hair and not dreads like in this
>>565269781Classic Sonic being silent was a weird invention of Generations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZbhvl0k5Kw
>>565266238>>565266610>Sonic is really rapey to Surge in IDWHow? Got any examples?
>>565266323funny how giving a character a spinball and removing the voice acting can do wonders for their popularity
>>565269626>both games have wisp powerup philosophyslopSaying aint so
>>565270414>steps on her butt>Yo lets be friends>grabs her arm>yo lets be friends
>>565267678have faith sega finally dumpsters sonic team and finds Brazilians to make sonic games or just sells the franchise to someone else
>>565269781I don't think Classic needs voice acting, just better cutscene direction, visual storytelling and appropriate supplemental material like manuals properly contextualizing things; S3&K was able to do it so there is no reason nuClassic can't with time. That said, if the Classic games do get voices, the Classic cast should not have the same VAs as the Modern cast. This goes for all language dubs including Japanese.
>>565270080Alright!>>565270223Why do you want to see the ending of the story? My whole point is that if you don't care about the story or the perspective of the other characters and instead only want something simple like the classic games, then you just play Sonic, which is exactly what that is, as well as the core gameplay experience. If you're only in for Sonic's gameplay, don't care about the story, and don't like to play as the other characters, then you have no reason to care about the Super Sonic minigame boss either. And if you weren't paying attention to the story you shouldn't even have a clue that there is a secret ending. My whole point is that the extra content is for people who care about the extra content
>>565270709>Why do you want to see the ending of the story?That's how stories work.
>>565270690cheapasses at sega would just pitch-shift roger
>>565270709>Why do you want to see the ending of the story?.......
Have you thought about the Hooters timeline today?
>>565270881I mean that's what happens in Sonic Prime for all the classic Sonic flashbacks
>>565270813>>565270935Do you care about story in a Sonic game? Or video game stories in general? If you're answer is yes, then I'm not talking about you. I said that if someone doesn't care about the story then they don't need to play the other characters. And if you're only paying superficial attention, Sonic's main story still has a conclusion with Eggman getting defeated. If you are not the type of person who gets invested in the story then the extra story content isn't for you and that is okay
>>565270373Classic Sonic can talk, he, and the other character, just don't have voices in the games. It's a stylistic thing that's attempting to mimic the pantomimes of the Genesis games.
its weird that classic sonic not talking is a thing when classcifags grew up with satam
>>565271367In Generations Classic Tails talks and Classic Sonic doesn't
>>565270356First impressions are important for better or worse. Even if Amy and Team Rose had a justification, people go on the internet and let memes take over their perceptions of things they don't really remember clearly.>>565270709>Why do you want to see the ending of the story?Because the game is particularly story driven and Sonic's campaign isn't really satisfying to complete on its own at all.> instead only want something simple like the classic games, then you just play SonicBut it isn't. Playing through the Classics as Sonic feels like a complete experience. in SA1, Sonic's story doesn't feel like one at all.His gameplay also isn't strong enough on its own and you dont even spend most of his campaign playing it. You mostly are either messing around with fetchquests in the hubs or playing minigames like the Twinkle Circuit or Skychase.Icecap is barely a level. its mostly the snowboard set piece.Casinopolis is collecting rings in a casino, etc.(the sewer level!) that you have to play multiple times to compensate for the rings total you need.There isn't enough Sonic gameplay in Sonic's story for this argument to really work.
>>565271448The "Sonic shouldn't talk" thing Classicfags used was always just a made up complaint like Green eyes.Basically anything that was in the 3D games but not in the classics is bad and the explanation came after.
If each character was a real person, and they were their canon age when SA1 came out, or in 2003 or whatever, would they be a Sonic fan, and if so what kind?
>>565269626This assumes Trip's dragon form is classified as a "super form".
>>565271946>is gold>transforms the character physicallyIt's closer to a real superform than any other
>>565271946It's what happens when she uses the seven emeralds, that's a super
>>565271525>Because the game is particularly story drivenThe other characters are. Sonic isn't>Sonic's campaign isn't really satisfying to complete on its own at all>Playing through the Classics as Sonic feels like a complete experience. in SA1, Sonic's story doesn't feel like one at all.I disagree, I've always found it satisfying on its own from a superficial point of view. Eggman is defeated as the final villain, Sonic and Tails celebrate and that's it>Twinkle Circuit>Icecap is barely a level. its mostly the snowboard set piece.Twinkle Circuit is optional side content. You're thinking of the intro to Twinkle Park, which then expands into a proper level. Twinkle Park and Ice Cap are among the most involved levels in Sonic's story, so I find it really weird that you bring them up like that. Ice Cap especially, the first part is very focused on platfoming (and shortcuts if you're experienced with the stage) and the snowboarding section is still more involved with the ramps and the higher path at the end. Casinopolis and Sky Chase are fair, but that's not most of the game. Sonic is the core gameplay and got the most focus and content of any character, gameplay wise
>>565271882Tails would be
>>565269626Doom Wing is basically a super form
>>565271223then someone coming back from s3&K now has to play a fishing minigame to unlock super sonic
>>565269626that's literally what happens
>>565271491IC.You're right, idk why they did that. It was probably a compromise between wanting the Classic characters to be silent and still wanting Tails to function as "navigator/expositor" of the story, which he usually was during most of the meta era.
>>565272597You haven't addressed anything I said in my posts at all. I don't like Big's gameplay either and I think making him a full on character required to unlock the secret story was a bad decision, but it has nothing to do with what I was saying. If you don't care about the story you're not going to care (or even know) that there is a secret unlockable final story
>>565271665the 3D games were full of random bullshit that got in the way and the simple concept of sonic speaking was caught in the crossfire
>>565272260>The other characters are. Sonic isn'tSo we are just treating Sonic's campaign and the rest of the game like they are two separate games? That's just silly.>Eggman is defeated as the final villain, Sonic and Tails celebrate and that's itExcept he isn't.The last emerald is still out there and Chaos is still unaddressed. >You're thinking of the intro to Twinkle Park, Whatever, it's boring and controls like ass.>Twinkle Park and Ice Cap are among the most involved levels in Sonic's storyThey really aren't. That honor goes to Speed highway and Red Mountain.IceCap is like 2 minutes of gameplay of jumping between icicles before a 6 minute snowboarding spectacle scene.>the snowboarding section is still more involved with the ramps It isn't though. You can pretty much put the controller down. There aren't any obstacles to dodge, turns to make and doing tricks off of ramps doesn't do anything but look cool. You don't get scored on how many tricks ramps hit and given a ring bonus or anything.Its very hollow.
>>565271882Sonic would be a fan of his own franchise and would like the Adventure 1 and 2, Tails would like 2-player games, Knuckles would like Sonic the Fighters, and Amy would like RPGs
>>565272805someone who doesn't care about the story is still going to notice if the playthrough is less fun than the classics or was constantly interrupted by gimmicky junk
>>565272498Doom Shadow isn't his super form, it's Shadow's true form, if Shadow doesn't have Doom Powers, Shadow is not in his base form.
>>565272243>that's a superNot according to ST. Besides the Chaos Emeralds doing weird things to people isn't new.>>565272134She specifically mutates into a dragon, and she isn't the only one to does that.
>>565272938Sonic would play whatever he found in an arcade and not think about the series outside of that
>>565273365REEEEE AMY USING CARDS REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! SONIC TEAM IS RUINING AMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>565272854>So we are just treating Sonic's campaign and the rest of the game like they are two separate games? That's just silly.No? I never said anything like that.>The last emerald is still out there and Chaos is still unaddressed.Doesn't matter, the main threat was Eggman, not Chaos, and he's defeated. The characters celebrate, the credits roll, and the story is overThe more involved stages are Ice Cap, Twinkle Park, and Final Egg. Speed Highway is close. Red Mountain is good too. Wow, this game has plenty of great stages>>565273029Whether the player ends up enjoying Sonic's gameplay or not is completely irrelevant. I never said you can't dislike Sonic's gameplay. I said that if you don't want the game to have a complicated story or other characters then the game, unlike SA2, doesn't force you to experience all of its content and instead let's you play the part you're interested in. This I consider to be a much better game design decision than what SA2 does.
>>565273457maybe the cards wouldn't be so much of a shock if sega did more with amy besides shit comedy in the past 25 years
>>565273824isaidno
>>565273129>spoiler imageThat's a "dragon" as much as any of the final bosses from SA2, Heroes, Shad05, and 06
>>565273547>No? I never said anything like that.In order to separate Sonic from the rest of the game when talking about the game's story, you have to. >>565273547>Doesn't matter, the main threat was Eggman, not ChaosThis is patently untrue. the entire concept of the game, the reason you go to half the levels is to find chaos emeralds before eggman because he is giving them to Chaos to use to take over the world.Chaos IS Eggman's plan. You cant separate them the way you are trying to.Icecap is barely a level. Its a spectacle set piece with 2minutes of platforming as its interlude which gets the idea of Icecap from Sonic 3 completely backwards.Twinkle park's isn't either. There's barely any actual platforming or any interaction with the level.>This I consider to be a much better game design decision than what SA2 does.I knew from the start this was about SA2. It's always just insecurity about SA2. SA1fags always gotta make up arbitrary things to protect it since SA2 is more popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBPzeMD64Qg
>>565274424
>>565274168
>>565274608My work here is done
>no fighting vipers rep
>>565274132I don't need to. The game does it for me. Each character gets its own story, and Sonic's story in particular is more straightforward than any other character's.Chaos is under Eggman's control, it's the unlockable final story that turns things around.You are just completely wrong about Twinkle Park and Ice Cap, they are involved and have platforming, but at this point that has nothing to do with the main point so I'll drop it here.I think Sonic's gameplay in SA2 is more fun than SA1's. But I also think that there are some things SA1 does way better, and this is one of them. I criticize both games where I see fit
>>565274424Is this legit? They're doing Devil May Cry references now? How creatively bankrupt. I guess it's better than DBZ memes.
>>565274030get back in the house, box fox
>>565274890Nigga that's a Joeadok art
>>565274825I find the "you can just ignore 5 out of 6 of the stories of the game" argument to just be a very tired cop-out argument SA1's fans use to paint it as a superior game to SA2 out of insecurity.Not only is it dumb on its face, but it doesn't even work because most of Sonic's story isn't even his gameplay anyway as I explained. And that was my point originally to begin with.
>>565274890Joeadok made that
>>565274825This your "involved platforming" in icecap?https://youtu.be/UfY6OjlfY98
>>565274905Yuji Naka has been going on adventures to ancient locations these days, he isn't on house arrest
What should Shade do post-Chronicles 2?
>>565275368Twinkle Park is 30 seconds. the other minute and a half is the karting and the rollercoaster segment before the action level starts.https://youtu.be/s-yL4dwXlrw
>>565275082I can boot up SA1 right now and play through all of Sonic's story. I think it's completely fair to complain about Casinopolis and Sky Chase, or the short area at the start of Twinkle Park, but those aren't "most of Sonic's story". SA2 instead will make you play as Tails and Knuckles, who now are even more different than Sonic, for an hour before you can play another Sonic stage. And I like playing as Tails and Knuckles in SA2, but I want to choose the character I play as, especially when they're so different. It's way worse than a snowboarding section that doesn't even alter the gameplay that much could ever be.I love both SA1 and SA2. I made a post saying some things I like about SA1, and this just so happens to be one of SA2's weaknesses
>>565273457Having the cards isn't a problem. Using them isn't either. The problem is making them a replacement personality.
>>565275768Giving birth
>>565275768Well we all know WHO she's doing an I right boyzzz? AAAYY
>>565275707Did he bring his wife
>>565275828That video literally skips half the stage.
>Naka gets in contact with Oshima for Balan>last time they collaborated was SA1>when Balan flops it's Naka who blames OshimaMy brother in Christ, you made the sandwich.
>>565275368This isn't even a good job of ignoring the level. He skips 2 to go to 1 at the beginning just to go back to 2. And then he makes it to the right bridge platform but then goes backwards through the icicles instead of going up past where the ice bridge puts you. He also doesn't clip past the snowboard section so that the clock doesn't run.
>>565275707he's just too fast to catch
>>565276054Yuji Naka isn't a rational person. He went on a tirade at another Sega employee for suggesting Sega makes more mature games
>>565275840>the short area at the start of Twinkle Parkits 3/4ths of the level. The level itself is 30 seconds. see here>>565275828>"most of Sonic's story". It is when you account for futzing around in the hubs. Most of Sonic's story isn't actually playing as Sonic in SA1.Also Skydeck is a terrible level.https://youtu.be/AoWwBcq4d7o
>>565276046Sonic is all about skipping as much of the stage as possible for speed strats
>>565276046That's the thing everyone praises about SA1s level design so i don't see your point.
>>565276278
>>565276278>Naka was against trying to make Sonic go the JakII route.Why are we hating on him exactly?
>>565276309Whenever I watch friends play the classics, this song pops into my head
>>565276482>Give mandates to Ian>He vents on his podcast>Give mandates to Naka>He calls you a porn addict
>>565276361>>565276439Anon was arguing that Twinkle Park doesn't have platforming. You aren't going to take the shortcuts on a first playthrough, or even a second. Using a video that shows shortcuts as if that's what the stage is like by default is dishonest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q23S4XfUhiUI guess Marble Zone has no platforming whatsoever, huh.
>>565275840>It's way worse than a snowboarding section that doesn't even alter the gameplay that muchIt objectively does, but much more importantly I prefer actually playing the game rather than having to do my chores for 30 seconds of the actual core gameplay.
>>565276626if he was against it we wouldn't have gotten shadow's game
'Nilla with glasses!
>>565276626I remember reviews used to say Naka liked the tech stuff and guns they you see during the Dreamcast era the most while Oshima liked the mythical stuff the most.
>>565276758>Anon was arguing that Twinkle Park doesn't have platforming. You aren't going to take the shortcuts on a first playthrough, or even a secondWe aren't talking about a first playthrough. I don't see why we would restrict it to that now out of nowhere but then we have to address the futzing around looking for the levels and key items to access them in the hubs now.>Tikal helps you!Not in Sonic's story she doesn't.>I guess Marble Zone has no platforming whatsoever, huhLemme guess, your video uses glitches.>looks at video.Figures.Imagine comparing normal traversal of the game to glitches.
SALLY FREAKING ACORN
I hope we get some good Jewel porn in the next thread.
>>565276642Based Duane&BrandoChad!
>>565277062The content is in the levels regardless of whether you skip it or not, or how you skip it. You can't say it only has 30 seconds of platforming and then use a specific video as proof. Not everyone is going to play the game the same way as that particular video.
>>565277107*fucking
>>565277212https://youtu.be/wnIA8ChFe-IHere is someone going the long way.It takes them like 4 seconds longer. Players will naturally take the route this player did.
>>565277296That's a bad word, anon.
>>565277409>takes all the shortcuts stillAlright, there's no way you aren't doing this shit on purpose.
>>565277409oops Wrong videohttps://youtu.be/UfMn1VGO9t8Here.
>>565277650see >>565277671
>>565277671Yes, this is the more natural route. That's not "like 4 seconds longer".
>>565277834It is though.
knuck
>>565278006The first shortcut cuts out 35 seconds compared to the Dreamcast video. Second shortcut 24 seconds. Third shortcut 19 seconds.
>>565278404The person in the video I posted is taking there time and playing badly. They don't use the spindash once.
>>565278523Yeah, and the other is playing well. The average player isn't going to do all of that in 4 seconds without the shortcuts.
>>565241794I only just now saw the OP edition. I like it.
>>565278624The average player is gonna use the spindash and isn't gonna play as deliberately suboptimal as the one in the one i posted. They went all the way around the top of the tower which even first timers don't do.Where is the involved platforming? The section in question is the pinball thing which is done for spectacle and the water platforms which you don't even need to land on.
>>565278869It's not gonna be done in 4 seconds. You're not realistic.
>>565276626ShTH being edgy wasn't the problem, ShtH was bad because>the game was announced by having Shadow open fire on gameplay of SA1>slippery Heroes controls>every level is like Team Chaotix from Heroes if you aren't going neutral/last story/hard mode>gunplay is shit but necessary because enemies are bullet sponges>the actual narrative is legitimately incomprehensible>Sonic in the opening cinematic is shown fighting to the bitter end until Shadow steps in, but in the actual game Sonic doesn't really care until Black Doom is about to win>Sonic Team got cold feet on commiting to the edgy and walked a bunch of shit back>opening cinematic starts with Shadow walking in front of the full moon (after it was blown up) with a fucking pump action mp5"oh but japan hates edgy" Japan never liked Sonic anyway.
>>565279220>>565279220>>565279220Moving out
>>565279068>taking it literal to be pedanticYou're doing this on purpose.
>>565279292>Don't take me at face value, you're supposed to pretend I'm right when I'm actually provably wrongOh, okay.
>>565279463Anon...
>>565279831It took you several replies to bring out the "I wasn't being literal!" cope, mind you. You are well aware that the shortcuts cut out half the stage.
