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Dead or Alive 6Virtua Fighter 5Soulcalibur 6Chaos CodeAquapazzaNitroplus BlasterzKOFXVKOF2002UMSamurai ShodownStreet Fighter VVsavGuilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus RTatsunoko vs Capcom
There's not a single western/white/european good fighting game.Even latinos made rage of the dragons.
I want a traditional Trails fighting game.
>>565980038We don't count Mexico as a western country?
>>565980038time killers
>>565980038it's hilarious KI 2016 is the best the west can muster for fighting games
How would you rank them currently: Guilty Gear Strive, Granblue versus, Tekken 8, Street Fighter?
>>565980527granblue is basically a mini sf6soive is okay i guessdont play 3dslop so idk
Looks: 10/10+Character: 10/10+Voice: 10/10+Cuteness: 10/10+Sexiness: 10/10+Body: 10/10+RO-MAN-TIC-IN-SOM-NI-AC!
>>5659805271. Street Fighter 62. Guilty Gear Strive3. Granblue Versus Rising4. Tekken 8
did any of y'all get into soive with 2.0
Inb4 that ugly dickless jewishnigga starts talking about that Urkeknigga's fur game EVERY MOTHERFUCKING THREAD.
>>565980527Strive 2.0 basically is a wake up call about what define as a big nerf patch in fighting games so much so the top 8 on EVO Japan has the most variety of characters and no HC despite the infinite blockstring oversight so kudos for that.SF6 uhh is underwhelming right now not because of the Alex drama but the patches so far sucks and the game is still the same as ever with Mai winning EVO Japan as the cherry on top. That aside, it's still the most popular fighter and that WORLD RECORD IS A LIE THERE WAS A SF2 SNES TOURNAMENT BACK IN THE 90s THAT HAS 8K+ ENTRANTS.Granblue is also underwhelming. Top tier creeps, meta is still the same with fucking Ferry winning EVO Japan again and right now it feels like it's having content drought. I have doubts on 2.60 because of the upcoming new mechanic, devs still wearing the 66L shirt and no season 3 announcent so far.Tekken 8? Hmm after the season 3 first patch disaster they do manage to make a good patch for once but that's still not enough so the game still has problems. I guess Kazuya winning EVO Japan is a plus.
Uh oh, the vibrational energy is driving this rog insane already
is aris being ironic whenever he's having a melty over chat
Honestly, fgg is complete trash. But you guys deserve that because it's the environment that you foster. It will never get better because you people are here. I'm happy that this containment zone exists to keep you cancerous ogres away from the humans.
>>565985452we didn't even do anything yet...
>>565985452>Brock Lesnar in a wig Hahaha FAGOOT
>>565985452>SAGAT IN A WIGLMAO
You can tell this one guy got banned from posting images, but is so addicted to this place, he can't help but avatarfag via his text based gimmicks
whomst?
>>565985452/fgg/ died the moment /sfg/ successfully split offI always made fun of the earlier /sfg/ split attempts and I admit fully I did not expect SF6 launch to be so successful that /sfg/ not only survived, it became one of the fastest threads on /vg/ for a long time and by far the fastest during its first EVOCurrent /fgg/ is a shell of itself. You may recognize a few familiar things or posting styles but theyre more like zombies or sock puppets.
I don't feel bad for any of you because y'all are free to leave whenever you want Y'all act like this place is crack laced porn you can't put down
sfg is also dead now doe
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/514842592/#515055552SNK shit-eater slaughterhouse.
remember when fgg would do tournaments
what's the lore on this snk shit eater poster.
I like it here doe...
>>565987141Porn is better than crack thobeit
>>565987490need this but black lace panties
>>565987467Why so
>>565987467True fgg can be chill and funny sometimesBut it's no longer home, sometimes I go days without coming back here.There used to be a time people were happy to talk about everything and some fighting games, now so many posts just get completely ignored and naturally nobody wants to post while getting no engagement
>>565988347>There used to be a time people were happy to talk about everythingpre jive apocalypse
Once in a while the fighter thread on /v/ is much better than here.
>>565988347Manthas and timmys have done catastrophic damage to fighting games and this place is the collateral damage
>>565988421Jive era was still fineStaying up super late for CPT events in Asia with /fgg/ were some awesome times
Straight edge white girl blonde character that's top tier and is happy and isn't a moody cunt 24/7 but not borderline submissive like Iroha like samsho. Boom, a million in character merchandise salesSeriously, you all don't realize what an untapped gold mine this character concept is in a sea of mean-spirited hoes in fighting games. And yes, I get it. Contextually, it makes sense for characters in a fighting game to have a "demeanor" about them, but it doesn't mean they all don't have to be disgusting metaphorically tatted up septum piercing mean judgmental ass hoes in a fighting game
I stopped playing fgs and watching them the first year of sf5, glad I did
>>565989941>wordswordwordsAdd in a Sexy PAWG. Boom ez money, lil nigga.
>>565991258This
>We need more generic northern european characterseuropeans are the most overepresented race in all artistic mediums.so boring.
>>565993137Does Aris still remembers?
Only 8 years ago, this fightan based on an ultra normalfaggot IP had mandatory motion inputs. What happened? Was only quarter circles not a good balance?
>>565994525all games must have 1 button dash (cheating) and simple inputs so you can use your cheatbox with 30 buttons on it
>Straight edge white girl blonde character that's top tier and is happy and isn't a moody cunt 24/7 but not borderline submissive like Iroha like samshoBut that's literally Jenet
>>5659899412xko could add her but they're fucking retarded so they won't
>>565989941>Just add a stacyI'm on it
>>565994751i can't remember any game having built-in movement macros aside from strive and the new 3 kingdoms fighting game
>>565997579GranblueDoes UNI and Melty a+b dash counts?
>>565996249>But that's literally Jenethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvqoadhuEj0False, this bimbo pirate chugs down beer with her crew.Fake ass straight edge whore
>>565997579they've had them since marvel 2, it's why fanatiq was a cheater with one button dash on his pad
>>565989941Hinako exists though
VFbros..... SCbros...... it's over...https://x.com/famitsu/status/2051905033751633947
>>566002642impressivevery nicelets see the z axis
>>566002642i unironically quite like the game as a debut output , i tried to post my thoughts in tekgen but the fags there reported my post
>>5660026421D comboslop
>>566003112it has a dedicated sidestepping button btw
>>566002642the backdashing is very janky, it's easy to chain consecutive backdashes and they're completely safe, i got about dozens of wins by immediately doing a roundstart throw then backdashing the whole match
>>566002642not my SSX
>>566002642chang will save fighting games
>>565994525only quarter circles was already pretty damn soulless.
>>566003949>asking for motion input in a 3d gamelarp alert!!!!
Embarassing view. Had it been me, I would have told 2XKO to straight up censor me.
>>566004196talk about larp jesus christ.like there's layers to this larping.not only did I quote a post about DBFZ, a 2D game, but 3D fighters very much do have quarter circles and DPs in them.what the fuck do you think a death fist and ewgf are? ivy has a fucking spd.
>>565980527fighting games have literally never been worse.
>>566004360t.larper
>>566002642Not enough dynamic camera angles and 30 second long cinematic supers. The casuals won't give a shit about this game
just woke up with blue balls what to do niggas
>>565986869even when sfg is fast its entirely hollow. no lobbies, no tournaments, no actual gameplay talk.tournaments are uninteresting because the game is uninteresting.its not the sfg split that killed everything, its SF6 being awful and every other fighter following suit.nobody actually cares anymore and its not just here anyways. open platforms like youtube and twitter are so inactive when it comes to fighters compared to previous generations.
/tekgen/ >> /ggg/ > /fgg/ >>>>>>>>>>> /sfg/
I've finally come to the final conclusion that tag fighters are simply a shit subgenre.>always have shallow character movesets>screen filled with shit all the time>for whatever reason, stiff controls and bad movement are just a normal expectation for them>the most repetitive games within the genreI think this is a niche for absolute ADHD autists who are drawn to the long combos, super move spam/combinations, and something about the simpler characters movesets and extremely locked down movement keep things on rails and predictable. Even a game like DBFZ which did a lot to bring some new system mechanics in with DBZ techniques still can't break out of this skeleton of the genre and all feeling samey and repetitive. I don't think there's any tag fighter game that wouldn't be better if it were made 1v1 and all the characters' movesets were expanded and fleshed out to make them more unique.This is also why KOF is the far superior version of a team fighter.
>>566005137every general you listed there sucks and the difference between them is minimal
>>566005137Other fightan generals?
>>566005509tagslop used to have good movement.games like DBFZ actively did dumb it down though. its universal mechanics are part of the rape of the genre just like drive rush.
lmaoooooo 2xko sub is coping over the fact their devs spent 10 years making the most beginner-unfriendly piece of shit everhttps://www.reddit.com/r/2XKO/s/tqBc5Ate5X
>>566003949What all motions did you want them to have?To be fair in the case of dbfz, you also had the down down input on some moves, but it was pretty rare. Not as common as something like how it was used in Akatsuki Blitzkampf
>>566005971bro goes on reddit
>>566005509didnt ask
>>566005937While there are some good movement abilities in MVC3 with flight mechanics and wavedashing is okay, I wouldn't call it exceptional or anything. It's not gonna have 3D or platform fighter movement, but the basic movement schemes should be as robust as your ability to output hitboxes. DBFZ's is particularly egregious for this because there's no middle ground between a slow little tipetoe walk and careening across the screen at 100mph. So, neutral turns into just jumping around instead, and superdashing when appropriate. Grounded movement is so stiff it's just optimal.
>>566005971>posting preddit
>>566006218the vertical gameplay of tag fighters already puts 3D fighters to shame with the way the whole screen is being utilized beyond "I sidestep on a vertical hit read" and smash faggotry is not fighting games.
>>566006000dps, charge, half circles, full circles.you know, something fucking SNES games had.also down down input is satanic.>>566005971go back
I miss /soul/
.... even pressing down twice triggers the vibrational energy of paimon?
>>566005509Don't worry anon, now that the wave is crested, you won't be seeing tag fighters any more.>MVCI seemed to be the last nail in the tag coffin>DBFZ's popularity started a new wave>Power Rangers>2XKO>Nen Impact>Invincible VS>TokonAll of these have bombed, and Tokon might too. It will have the built in ArcSys audience and an initial FGC boom at the start, but over time? It's still a tag fighter. Normies aren't going to buy it, Marvel hardcores might buy it and play a bit then get annoyed with the tag gameplay, and FGC will be playing their main games and some even jumping to Avatar releasing over summer. The 3D fighter wave is upon us. VF, DOA both coming, a new SoulCal maybe? Perhaps even a new Budokai?
>>566006483>the 3D fighter waveloltekken will remain the only relevant 3D fighter
>>566006309>vertical gameplayPlatform fighters have more vertical gameplay than tag fighters which are more just jumping around or air combos. 3D fighters movement on the X and Z axis is usually far more freestyle, precise, and fluid as well.Tag fighters are by design made to have stiff and limited movement because they are designed to have digital input.
1D shit-eater slaughterhouse.
>>566006567smash shit is not fighting games.
>Tag fighters are by design made to have stiff and limited movement because they are designed to have digital input.we need a third world firewall.
>>566006637I accept your concession that platform fighters have more vertical gameplay than tag fighters which are more just jumping around or air combos and that 3D fighters movement on the X and Z axis is usually far more freestyle, precise, and fluid as well.Also that tag fighters are by design made to have stiff and limited movement because they are designed to have digital input.
>>566006483>BudokaiOh yes that and Eighting going back to 3D fighters and make new Blood roar, Naruto GNT and Bleach HTS.
Persona 4 Arena only had quarter circles and y'all were begging for that game to get ported anyway
>>566006778That would be sick.Somewhere anime games shifted from decent licensed fighting game annual releases to sharting out arena brawler shovelware for twenty years straight.
I do not think that there will be a wave of 3D fighters.Its such a weird offshoot in the genre and lacks a good framework to copy, unlike 2D which always could just use SF2 as a foundation.Meanwhile 3D is such a weird shitshow or contrivances that developed over years that I just cant imagine some devs create a new one out of nothing.Like yeah we might see sequels to existing 3D fighter franchises but I just dont see new stuff popping up the way it happened with 2D.
no bro trust, dragon ball sparking zero will have a scene
it's hard to compete againsy GOATrada
>>566006392What's wrong with 22X inputs?
>>566007169awkward and slow. devs like to plaster them onto games because they see them as simpler than regular motions but they dont feel good.
>>566007101Copying Tekken or SoulCalibur always worked fine.Budokai series was Tekken basis but string based with guard cancels and some DBZ mechanics added on top. Other anime fighters that are more weapon based went a little more SoulCal. It was never rocket science, we got a new one of these games literally every YEAR for multiple IPs from like 2002 up to Burst Limit in 2010. The 00's were filled with 3D fighters to the point that even Mortal Kombat was doing it. 3D fighters were just the basis for fighting games then, especially licensed ones.Then you even had sort of 3D hybrids like Def Jam or the Simpsons wrestling shit.
Any thoughts on the sub sub genre of 3D fighters that are called arena fighters?
>>566007169Double squatting? Like you do on your boyfriend's dick or something? Gay. Get that shit outta my games.
>>566007484Most of these 3D fighters went nowhere. The 3D Mortal Kombats were extra rancid and died when people realized that not everything new HAS to be 3D gameplay.Personally I also think that stuff like budokai is generic licensed dogshit and see no future in stuff like that.There was some early 3D stuff with potential like tobal and bloody roar and they just shat themselves.Def Jam is specifically a wrestling game with a rapper paint job made by a studio that made WWF games before. Very cool, but not really 3D fighter in the original sense.
>>566007491Arena brawlers are more like third person shooters. They feature over the shoulder camera angles specific to a character's POV rather than a shared screen, and often use targeting the same. War of the Monsters probably the best example, sick game. However, Godzilla Destroy All Monsters Melee is peak 3D fighter kino.
>>566007849Oh no wonder Starward and Gundam EXVS2IB are pretty good.
>>566007491Arena fighters build lots of fundamentals look at SouldemonXL a Naruto Ninja Storm veteran winning 2xko TNShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vngV2LS7lQQ
Arena fighters are pretty stinky.Like a neutered raped form of virtual on type of games.Makes one wish the Gundam Ex Vs games got released here.
>>566007808The Budokai series was a massive success and you can't have played them if you think they're generic. They had some of the best 3D fighter gameplay by the time of B3 and IW refining their format.3D fighter genre can easily be as successful and ubiquitous as it was in the past. For whatever reason studios/publishers saw DBFZ's success and though tag fighters were the new thing to make, and then they all crashed and flopped with 2XKO probably achieving the zenith of that. 3D fighters are far more intuitive and easy for normies to pick up and play because you just point your character around on the 3D plane and hit buttons. This is why Soul Calibur II was such a massive general audience success, it was intuitive to pick up and play with friends.T8 shit the bed adding the atrocious Heat system, but VF6 seems more chill and stripped down and DOA is DOA. However it would take a big brand IP like Dragon Ball, DC, Marvel, getting back into the genre to make it the new thing. Pokken could have been cool if it didn't try to also be an arena brawler.
the budokai series was a massive success the same way garbage like xenoverse was.
>>566008131>Burst>Burst>Burst>Burst>BurstWtf that's Naruto Storm gameplay?
Xenoverse 2 lets you put Kefla in a bikini, so it's the best dragon ball game by default
>>566008490Not really. Xenoverse isjust the same arena brawler shit that Bamco has been sharting out for 20 years after they realized they can slap "Dragon Ball" on literally anything and DBfags will buy it, Budokai series has excellent gameplay with depth that still has communities around it. You'd know if you played it.
>>566008624I played it though.
>>566008703What's Piccolo's best guard cancel combo?
>>566008823lol
i only mashed on budokai at parties or at friend's houses so i looked up some competitive videos online to see if this dude gassing it up is on to somethinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssg-wjp-g9Mim sorry bros kinda looking like a kuso to me
>>565980038Mortal Kombat :)
>>565980038
>>566009205Funny enough, I'm not sure even Japanese devs have played any Western fighting games.
>>5660071013D fighters have a very established framework since they were being made for decades. SF4 just popularized 2D ones.Bloody Roar had a whole series of games and people are clamoring for it back. Virtua Fighter is about to come back in a big way. A new Soulcalibur might be in development. And there were tons of 3D fighters during the PS1 and Dreamcast era that left a mark on fighting game history. Tech Romancer, Zero Divide, Tobal, Soul Edge/Calibur, Yuusha, Deadly Arts. I'm making one myself that's inspired by these and has giant women in it.>I just can't imagine-Bitch no one gives a fuck what your visionless ass "can't imagine". You're not a creative person. Let the creative people worry about creating stuff. You just exist to consume it like a microwave pizza.
>>566007484>Copying Tekken or SoulCalibur always worked fine.Really? Where are the Tekken and SoulCalibur descendants?
>>565979453
>>566016715Nen Impact 2.0?
>>566016963looks more like mvc3 with vergil
>>566014225more like 3D games only have 2 frameworks: Tekken and VF
>>566009205have daigo at least once played kof?
>>566019316Who tops?
Tokon won
Arcsys won
>>566017458Well yeah. All good 3D fighting games are built on the Virtua Fighter sankaku (triangle) system.Basically it's just grabs beat blocking, blocking beats strikes, and strikes beat grabs. That's a given, but you can layer stuff on top of this (like projectiles, supers, all the things 2D fans like). Most 3DFG devs try to keep it "realistic" though so they don't typically fuck with more silly elements like that. Tekken started doing it but apparently their audience deosn't like it.
invincible won (real one at 800 week 1)
>>566020586then why is tekken the only game that alive lil bro?
>>565994525Capcom's designers and army of jeetcoders fell for the Sirlin meme that motion inputs were the entire reason that this genre was inaccessible.The success of fighting games in the 90s proves that this mentality is complete bullshit. You only need to know four motions and you can do 95% of the moves in any fighting game (quarter circle, half circle, full circle, dragon punch).
>>566021569I think motion inputs are a bad scarecrow sirlin idea guys use why normies don't play this genre.To me a lack of a strong story mode like Tales of phantasia has, to be a bigger issue than motion inputs.
who this negro
>>566022643he's a dooberZ player, lil tim
>>566022643>Self-reporting that you have a Riot account and you play 2XKO
Smash won, and this isn't even a fighting game.
Pumpin
>>566021569Don't forget the easiest input, which is the reason Super Turbo has more moves with it than not: charge.
>>566026589to what?
>>566027245Shuckle told me that charge was hard and unintuitive
>>565988793whatever happened to zhi? that nigga was cringe and funny at the same time, miss his commentary ngl
>>566027272the rock
>>566027272This >>566003532 and this >>566026049 for starters
>>566028648finna sniffmolest
>>566026049holy...
>>566029141whoa
>>566026049Imagine how loud she farts...
Fighting games just dont play like normalfags them to. Ever play with someone new? They ask where the jump button is, where the block button is, where the run button is, they mash buttons because 6 attack buttons is too much for them to grasp and they cant tell the difference, a new player wont jump and do an attack because a flying kick attack is anime nonsense and doesnt happen in boxing mma or anything irl, like wise they dont crouch attack either. They dont block high or low. When theyre in hitstun they will mash and theyll ask why they cant break out of the combo. If they hit the buttons fast theyll ask why theyre not getting combos. And most of this shit even if you tell them about it they will not implement into their play. Should we start catering to retards? This is who youre trying to play with. They do not learn, theyre impossible to please, they dont really even like games to begin with these retards have only played pokemon and gta and will trade in their ps5 for a ps6 and will only have a couple games with it yet wont hesitate to buy that ps6 despite having zero idea what theyll play on it, they bought the ps5 and sold their entire ps4 collection and when you tell them its backwards compatible they say but i bought the ps5 to play ps5 games and you tell them everything is cross gen they do not care and can not name a single specific game other than gta6 which hasmt even come out yetThis is the audience that the fgc wants desperately. If you want to make a brain dead party masher to get as many players as possible, thats who youre marketting to. Normal fags are fucking retarded and youre literally better off playing with a single digit number of spics and troons who at least, at least play a fucking decent game that you likeDo you STILL want to get rid of everything that made fighting games good just to appease this crowd?
what did she mean by this?
>>566030687hehe do you think... maybe I shouldn't say hehe...
>>566030428the loudness of your farts isn't positively correlated with the bigness of your buttcheeks....if anything someone with small buttcheeks would have louder farts because there's less fat blocking and absorbing the sound
>>566030553Unrelated to fighting games, but I think a big reason RTS declined is that in the 2010s they moved from controlling individual units to controlling squads, which killed the micro.Microing units might have been difficult, but it gave the gameplay a certain cool factor without which there wasn't a reason to invest time into getting good at multiplayer.
>>566031375She probably has big farts that smell real bad and the bigness of her ass also tells us that there's quite a lot of them in there
>>566031579need to book meself a ticket to britain
>>566030553the underlying problem is that fighting games are getting more and more expensive to make so they need those casual sales
timmy is a fartologist all of a sudden?
>>566030553These games originated in the arcades. And a key point of the arcade is that you had to be able to communicate what's fun about your game immediately. The moment you popped a coin in it had to be at least somewhat intuitive how to attack, how to block, how to jump. It is intuitive. There's no one alive who "asks where the jump button is". You figure it out as soon as you move your controls around and just see what the buttons do.If a fighting game isn't fun to mash in then it's not fun period. Mashing is essential to the genre.
>>566030687it's just kung fu
>>566032567more like kung fuck
>>566030553Devs don't give a fuck. They just want money. monster hunter world was dumbed down for casuals and sold well, so capcom dumbed down Wilds even more but you will still have people complaining monster hunter is too obtuse and has clunky combat even when they give weapons shit like perfect blocks/dodges and the universal mechanic to just manually aim your weapon meanwhile longtime players have to deal with a game you can sleepwalk through except for a few endgame quests. I think street fighter will have a similar problem. SF6 dumbed down shit and blew up. SF7 will double down on the most retarded aspects of 6 and end up being another jive to the core playerbase while the casuals who were never interested in a fighting game are still put off.
Daisuke said that guilty gear strive was too complex and he wants the sequel to be even more simple
>>566034252>more simpleHow?
>>566034378If I had to guess, no motions. But he didn't really specify
>Simplify by removing motion inputsThe fuck
>>566030553>a new player wont jump and do an attackThis is a classic scrub strat though?
Companies can reduce the cost of making a game by using AI assistance, but the world is not ready for that conversation yet
>>566035014Companies already use AI more than you think, only the final product is refined.
>>566022643>2XKuso>EVO Japan 2026Oh yeah that happened. None of you Riot TimTims talked about it. LMAO
>>566035724Unlike you, I have a job. I can't sit inside my dad's basement and jack off to HENTAI all day like SOME people, so I can't stay up at 3:00 a.m. to watch Japanese tournaments.
cummin
>>566009203That's not Budokai you retard.
>>566034252i hope it's a hit and strive players hate it
>>566005137>/ggg/gross tranny get out of here
>>566035994commentary was based: "I wish for a big booty Yordle" was dropped at evo
>>566040198If that is real... YIKES They do NOT need to encourage YOU PEOPLE
...................you people?
>>566035994....There's VODs you dramatic faggot.>>566030553Modern Timmdevs and Naive jappa devs can't help but try to keep attempting to dumb down games to Smash level + chasing NRS money while forgetting that fighting games are legacy arcade games at their core. You can't have Grandma Sarah being godlike with Full Retard Mode but then want fucking e-sports from a dumbed down game. Name ONE big play at Evo Japan 2026 from the nu-fgs like Ebin Moment 37. You cant the games are too retarded and random. LMAOOOOOO
imagine if the niggas working on 2xko weren't dangerously low test
Do yordles count as furry
