The Wheel has turned once againWaifus Will Save Us editionDominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 3400 units, 1100 spells and 400 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them. It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.>Our pastebin (extremely outdated)https://pastebin.com/wjbSA98Y>Steamgrouphttps://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya>Multiplayer guide/game hosting services>Hinaserver https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/548312356/#548526452https://hinaserver.net>Blitzserverhttps://blitzserver.net(Dom 6)https://beta.blitzserver.net/games>Llamaserver:https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1212948582>Documentationhttps://illwinter.com/dom6/docs.html>Tools>Mod inspectorhttps://larzm42.github.io/dom6inspector/>Wikihttps://illwiki.com/>Pretender calculatorhttps://zollqir.github.io/pretenders-dom6/https://caleb-distributive.github.io/pretenders-dom6/ (website down?)>Debug modhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3083231618>Communion fatigue calculator (still dom5)https://instacalc.com/53495>Automatically prevent starts in all provinces with less than X connections (still dom5)https://nixx.is-fantabulo.us/dom5ranmapnos/>How do I change the fonts?Replace guifont.ttf, guifont_fancy.ttf and guifont_texty.ttf in the game's 'data' folder (C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Dominions6\data)>Fan arthttps://thronebooru.booru.org>Sloop’s Comfy Balance Modhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1zeDyK8Zb_p4lIJ0yp3a3ikMprRkmBCWvy31_4jBen3Q/edit?usp=sharing>other asynchronous strategy gamesSolium Infernum.Previous Pantokrator>>565308213
Good night /domg/
>finally get a decent scheme
Soon we will have to move to /vst/...
Boksi when's the game?
You guys, rlg, and sg are the only true tendies lefteveryone else has been thrown into the void
>>566216927So it seems.
Any new news?
>>566219421nein, except for coe
Disintegrated...
>>566133565Thank you for this
Do your si turns pls
>>566215569Awaken sleeper
How the fuck is Belphegor choking out mammon's stronghold? They arent even at war!!!!
Burden of Times
>>566215569good morning
>>566216219Well, at least we need to stay alive on /vg/ for one more divegrass cup.
>>566242692Fair
>>566226148Can it kill him
>>566226148Because his towers are broken like that and he's already preparing to build another one.
Tell me about C'tis.
>>566250698>>566250698No but it leaves it at 1hp. He cant attack the stronghold either without being excommunicated by attacking pandaemonium or getting into a blood feud (win 2-3 vendettas against them).
>>566251031Holy lel
>>566250961Which era?
>>566253549EA.
>>566254187Well generally a bless isn't worth it but they do have the strongest recruitable death mages of the eraa dracolich reforming build isn't hard to do
By the Tyrant Lilith, do ur fagging turn
>>566254187all in on serpent dancers
News on mods, maps, nations?
Another turn of the wheel...
>>566257685how are they flying
/domg/ is reclining...
>>566259701winged shoes
someone host a new game plspreferably ma
Sex with dryads
>>566257685me in the background>>566259174kek
>>566216443First game will be on the 29th, we don't have the exact times yet because the pots haven't been drawn.Also, after some consideration, I think it makes sense to have a roster poll this time too. There have been two suggestions and I feel like we might want a SI rep as well. If you have any other ideas for players to put on the team, feel free to suggest them.
>>566263014Sex with goatmen.
>>566259776crannog ys...
>>566256953In progress, trust the plan. ;)
>>566256953its only the last one that matters, but illwinter is playing with COE and T&T
>>566275501Bro it’s been a decade, I can’t live on this copium they’ll eventually release T&T.
>>566261391I join a MA
End of Culture
Post that thug "type" chart, you know the one.
>>566226148Belphegor is like MA Ermor or R'lyeh. Everyone should slap his shit
>>566256953it will take a bit, but if I just rip the chibi sprites from the games, it's possible
>>566226148Lel just ask his fatass for money and slap his shit
>>566226148insult him for free prestige!
Is holding a bunch of cantons worth it besides for area denial?
>>566250961
Why is EA better than MA or LA?
what's our thread birthday btw/rlg/ does it
LARp Pythium, your last again...
>>566289363We've been around since 2013 based on the /tg/ archives
>>566289363I don't know. Archives go back to 2019, you would have to dig up old stuff somehow, from dead fireden /vg/ archives or something. I am not sure if /domg/ predates /vg/ and was on /v/ back then. >>566290823Wait, on /tg/?
>>566287792There is at least one even that gives you a certain amount of prestige per canton you control
>>566291213https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/4chanhttps://archive.4plebs.org/_/articles/credits/Finding out this shit would not be easy. Best hope some fossil anon is still here and remembers how it started.
>>566291782>>566291817Well this thread seemed to have been the oldest big Dominions thread, a /tg/ one dated November 18, 2013 that seemed to have preceded /domg/ by a yearhttps://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2013/28362785/
>>566292293Maybe, but it really depends on what you count as a start of a general. Random long threads on /tg/ or /v/. General on /v/ when generals were a thing there. Or first /vg/ thread. I think for me it would be when it started to be a proper general at least on /v/, called general too, maybe. Or at least close to culture it would transplant on /vg/ general.
>>566292661sadly all the old /vg/ records before 2019 are not avaialble :(
>>566295056They might be >>566291817 as info I linked suggests, but you would have to dig for it. So yeah...
>>566292293A November birthday is fine
>>566287792Area control is already pretty important. Means no one can station dangerous shit right next to you, and you can place your own dangerous stuff closer to an opponent. In a vendetta, being closer to the opponent means they have to play defensive or risk easily losing a site. In a blood feud it can quickly lead to death.Also, land is safety. You can assert someone's weakness if they have no cantons (or no more than 2?). That allows you to throw a vendetta at them because fuck them, weaklings don't deserve to have their own stronghold.Also that one event anon says that gives you a prestige point per canton which I'm sitting on right now .
can unraveling actually make its caster enfeebled? How do I prevent this?
Bowl of salt
>>566214845Give it to me straight, which one is the sexiest unit/commander/pretenderchasis?
>>566302915
>>566302915Tough question. It's a toe to toe race between dryads and Scabiel-chan
>>566261391https://hinaserver.net/game/39
>>566302915Princesses of the setting sun have that honour
>>566302915Statistically it's actually the Manushya Raksharani, which is the sexy form of the Raksharani pretender chassis, which has an extra +1 to her seduction.
Contact tanuki
Yo admin, Blitzserver has been fucking nuts today and I couldn't do my turn yet, but I have to go to bed.I should stale in about 8 hours... I have to catch a plane in the morning and won't be able to get the turns in before that, though. Would be nice if we can get an extension. 12 hours will do.
>>566312216Inshallah, it will be done.
>>566313503thankee
>>566292293It's because of this thread I'm playing Dominion today.>>566302915See pic.
Do your SI turn!!!
>>566316626I'm glad you liked it
Shit, i got the grossgermania scheme for bloatexpansion of my cantonsEh, could be worse
what's the easiest scheme to complete?
>>566321774Probably the complete a manuscript ones. Or cast x ritual if you are higher level than others right now
>>566322207aye
Has anyone played the merchant prince class in CoE?
>>566323479spam sasssins
don't die while i go destroy this endless bag of wine /domg/
is there a good way to level up your troops besides legion to legion combat?
>>566329119There are events. There are items that lower the victories required. Striders can be farmed until a certain point (level 3 or 4 cant remember).
>>566214845Seggs with zotz
bEAst_slop can i haz extension
>>566332971Added 24h
Thx goodmin
Do Turns
>>566337828Not doing a turn is the biggest turn of all
>>566292293>Hmm, sent a trio of mound fiends to try to Control the Dead it, they decided to spam raise dead before running away, did cast Control the Dead three times however11 years of mageaiposting.Incredible.
>>566338840Dom 3 was a special time
Hi, im a newbie, started playing since barely a year ago, anyways pale ones rock ass.Also, should this and the other threads be centered around other illwinter stuff like coe?
>>566341029We do along with Solium Infernum
>>566341146whats solium infernum?
>>566341275https://store.steampowered.com/app/1893810/Solium_Infernum/neat game that's more diplo focused
>>566341720will have to check it out, thank you!
>>566341275like dominions but in hell
What are you guys thoughts on dominions enhanced?
>>566342006We're playing a game of it right now! I'm sure there will be another one soon after it ends. I was shilled it by this thread and am enjoying it.
>>566342421Havent tried it yet.I took a break from playing shortly before it release and have only joined games from here which havent had it in a few weeks that I've been back
>>566342905Its pretty fun, you might like it if you like the idea of a vanilla-esque mod that has a lot of bonus content, although it might not be balanced for multiplayer use, i only play singleplayer
>>566343172I only enjoyed single player when I didnt know how to play. To me it's annoying now because the AI either cheat too much by spamming chaff or roll over because they cant script good fights
>>566342421It's fun but changes the gameplay drastically
Oh shit ersebetz has a diplo action that lets you team up and even support each other's armies that's crazy.
>>566342421would appreciate if the dev divided the mod; like "Dominions Enhanced - Spells", as there's certain aspects of the mod I don't like.I really only got the mod for the increased amount of spells.
Did this anon make any other curis?
>>566346743TRUE. I like spell diversity but I dont want to relearn the entire game. What else did they change that you dont like.
>>566348039They changed many nations, some more and some less. I'm sure that for the people who have a nation they play all the time, having a huge mod like this change it to a point where it plays completely differently hits the hardest.I personally love Ermor and though the mod doesn't drastically change the nation, I just don't like the little change it does.#domkill 10#fortcost 25#templecost 750#nationinc -20Very minor but it rubs me the wrong way.But it's not just the nation changes. Many pretenders were altered as well. I would much rather the pretender changes, nation changes, and even spell changes all be in a separate mod.Speaking of which, I HATE mods that are meant to add a ton of spells alter the vanilla spells. No one cares about "a new flavorful overhaul yadayada" just add new spells and make a different mod to change the spells already there!
>>566348729There are many other changes I didn't mention.And to clarify, when I said "minor" I meant "few lines"#domkill 10from #domkill 50Is very not minor
Gnight domg
>>566346756this was drawn in a more optimistic and happy time for dominions 6
I weep for the days of yoreWhen /domg/ was awash with life
>>566357803its important to visualize the as-yet unreleased merrow nation
>>566357803Discord is better
Trying to upload the fleamarket map (from dreamatlas) and hinaserver is just saying bad map. Any ideas? It opens fine in dominions and the zip is the right structure
>>566359837Did you zip it?
>>566360137>Did you zip it?Ok I see you said you did. This is what my zipped map looked like when I hosted like a year ago.
>>566360328No top level folder underneath the zip? Thats what the instructions seem to say (I tried both and its still saying invalid map)
>>566360813Not working for me either I just tried it. It may be incompatible with hinaserver for now.
>>566357803By the rivers of Desura we sat and wept when we remembered Llama. There on the spam folders we hung our 2h files...
>>566357803la /domg/ is a popkill nation
>>566342421Agree with third anon. Cool mod, massive overhaul but far more invasive than Sloops. I started playing with Sloops almost immediately, the second I saw Divinitus’ Great Creator, I started playing with that mod, the second I figured out Nationgen, I made 50 nations, etc. I played DE once and will play it again in a few hundred hours, because the changes and additions to the Spellbook are so massive that, no matter how cool the new nations are, I can’t play it until I master vanilla Magic
>>566357803The board has moved on
>>566364353illwinter moved on first
>>566365468What do you mean?
>>566365815Shillwinter sits on T&T instead of releasing it!!
whats T&T
>>566367318Trade and Taint, their weird CoE lite
More like trade your taint...
Hina prepare yourself
FOMORIA OF DISCIPLES GAME WHERE ART THOU
>>566259174very funny, maybe it should have drain instead of deathscale tho
>>566259174Hah based I didnt read the description first time I saw this
Black Servant
>>566313503Thanks m8Things went smoothly, I'll send in the turn in like an hour
>>566373664Nigger Servant
Is there a way to contact the hinaserver admin besides github
>>566375128Email hina at hinaserver dot net.You should throw your map onto catbox or whatever other file host so I can download it and figure out what's up. I am starting to realise that I am a little too picky with maps
>it's another 'MA Man dominates the lobby because peoples idea of countering KoA is by throwing more shit at them and suffering a 5:300 ratio of losses'They didn't even put resistances on the bless
>>566380801I wish there was an [expendable] tag where losses of that particular unit don't count towards morale or hp rout (as much). Would make quantity based nations much more viable
Legion of Wights
>>566379184Thanks, wasn't sure how often you would be checking here. No need to email then: https://files.catbox.moe/mstt9b.zip
Also to whoever joined as Atlantis to flea_market you're getting the boot, maps been genned and the nations were specified in the gen (plus only one UW is shit).
>>566382315Fixed, it was choking on DreamAtlas's metadatahttps://hinaserver.net/maps/37
Belphegor you fat fuck, do your turn!!!
>>566381042Mindless. Slaves too, but slaves dying makes slaves rout
>>566381042Pleeeeeease. People have been asking for the tag for years but it's never put into the game. Soulless are completely and utterly useless in every conceivable way. They're horribly weak, you get a bazillion of them, you can't get rid of them because a couple stacks at the spear of your army can make your entire army of 1000 other troops rout so you have to keep them in the rear to prevent them from dying, and worst of all: they're an eyesore. Can't stand getting flash-banged every time I open up the barracks page.I hate them so much it's unreal. Ghouls are better and that's just embarrassing.
>>566384419I was being a little facetious when I said the entire army of 1000 other troops. I mean to say they make all the commanders of 10,000 other troops rout which is the worst feeling seeing as they're literally as safe as can be behind thousands of undead. I hate this system
>>566384419they're good for siege bonuses
>>566384419I agree Sceleria needs a buff
>>566385730Forgot they existed...was talking about Ermor
>>566385730No but warhammer orcs do ;_;
>>566383936Thanks! Will strip it out next time if it hasn't been fixed by then
flEA_market started, glLet me know if I fucked something up
>>566389853I fucked up and uploaded an "omniscience" version (why the fuck is this a default?). We're going to have to go back to submission
My good starting research spread...
>>566390456Never mind, everyones pretender still seems to be there. This is why I never host shit
BEL!!!!
>>566390763>>566390456>>566389853Ok, hopefully fixed and rehosted!!
>>566391945Thankee
>>566391945thank you sircan't wait to bludgeon someone to death by turn 16
>>566384419mindless units already count very little for HP rout calculations, something like 10% of their total hp rather than 100%. this is why you have to be careful to not bring too many ghouls as ermor because those are what will hp rout you
>>566392802Is def 6 that much a difference?
>>566393868Attack and Defense win fights, Strength and Health make the fight more interesting
>>566393868defense has multiple counters like being harassed down and missile attacks but when you have enough of it in melee combat you just parry basically everything
>>566397420can you parry projectiles?
>>566393868
>>566400076So it means def bonus return on investment is better on units with shit defense to start with. Interesting.
>>566399692with a shield
>>566391945>no vanilla mapgen giving 1-2 water nations 30% of the map as ocean>no water nations at all, actuallyThinking this lobby is blessed, thanks goodmin
>>566400076interestingno wonder why cav is so gud
>>566403191One even tried to sneak in and goodmin kicked him out!
LARP Pythium Abyssia Atlantis, less then 1 and a half hour, do your turns or
Belphegor you fat fucking chud
>>566400574nah, if you go from 10 DEF weaker than attacker ATK, to 4, then you went from 95% chance of being hit, to 76% chance to be hitbut if you go from -4 to -10 (4 better to 10 better DEF) then you went from 18% to 3% and you're now 6x tankier against melee
belphegor stop huffing your fucking braps and get back into game!!!!
>>566413824So berserkers are cooked, got it
>>566413616sorry will do in a minute
Thank you belphegor
>>566400574Not really. Statistics are extremely unintuitive. You often need to reverse them to make sense of them.Generally, this kind of bonus is more effective the higher it gets, because what's important here isn't the chance to hit, but the percentage CHANGE of the defender's chance to avoid damage as the bonus increases.A flat +5 percentage points to dodge looks the same across a range. 50% to dodge to 55% to dodge can feel like it's the same upgrade as 90% to dodge to 95% to dodge. But 50% to 55% means you're reducing your average received damage per turn by 10%, while 90% to 95% is a 50% reduction.>assuming a particular opponent deals 10 damage per turn>50% to dodge = 50% to get hit, aka 5 average damage received per turn>55% to dodge = 45% to get hit, aka 4,5 average damage received per turn>apply % change calculation formula: (4,5-5)/5 = -10%, aka 10% less damage per turn>if you were surviving 10 rounds on average, now you can expect to survive 11>90% to dodge = 10% to get hit, aka 1 average damage received per turn>95% to dodge = 5% to get hit, aka 0,5 average damage received per turn>apply % change calculation formula: (0,5-1)/1 = -50%, aka 50% less damage per turn>if you were surviving 10 rounds on average, now you can expect to survive 20
>>566419514Got curious
Longdeads.
>>566413824>>566419514Thanks a lot for the explanation, that was unintuitive (at least for me) indeed. Still trying to wrap my head around the process you used to obtain the final results (I understand the maths but not necessarily the technique), I had forgotten how bad I was at probabilities.Which may explain why I kind of suck at designing blesses.
>>566428750Gotchu bae
Life for a life
>>566431867Thanks, appreciated. Now watch me as I become 7% more powerful thanks to the power of maths.
>>566431867Holy moly, thanks!!
Who the fuck played this leviathan, it took me two turns to cap this site!!!!
>>566438319Just cap it back skeleman
>>566438898I'm scared of it running into my army and killing it cause im in the way
>>566441176>mfw I just unlocked Forged Orders
Summon Ghosts
It looks like the leviathan is confused
https://streamable.com/nz4ntv>Astaroth moving and painting the entire map red for some reason>Leviathan went in a circle away from my site of power just to buttfuck mammon instead
>>566456535It's a secret
>>566456535someone call the host pls
gnight /domg/
Ghost Grip
OK, I TURNT. GAME 39 ON HINA SERVER, "AKA" flEA_marketi DOUBLED btw
Dust to dust
>>566467479Ew a romeaboo
>>566456535Finally it's heating up
Does killing the leviathan give any cool rewards
>>566475754I have never seen someone kill it idk. I do know that two can be active at the same time though lol
Gifts from Heaven
Is spritegen in the latest version of nationgen broken or am I just retarded?
>>566475754Prestige
>>566485310K
Are we dead?
>>566493236I totally forgot therodos was in this game
Control the Dead
do ur turn slut and skele
Does elemental resistance not lower damage by double the res value percent anymore?I did some testing for attacking a throne with spring hawks and while the 15SR lowered their damage to -9, it didn't further cut down the damage after the roll.
>>566503589It still does iirc
Curse of Blood
Any games recrooting?
>>566503589I guess it only applies before the roll, so if the damage was 25, then it'd be 7 ((25-15)*.70) but obv a negative number can't be reduced furtherIn a similar vein, does anyone know if a Titan of Heaven throne defender can cast Thunder Strike? My testing has me clearing the throne no problem but if it sits there and spams T.Strike at A8 it could be a big problem if it actually lands the hit.
What does The Ark actually do?
>>566516043float on water
>>566516043Cast solar brilliance and disease checks anyone that's not a friendly sacred
she's beautiful
>>566518090Cute
fu LARPlantis! You are again the last! I am that close to be gifting Rlyeh now all my Perls and 500 Gold each month....
>>566516043Wastes an artifact forging turn
ok ok LARplantis, I only had 2 pearls, but thanks for doing your turn
>>566521706the game i'm in has no artifact forging limit and I think i'm the only person at const 9 so i'm just scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point
>>566522357Well gl then
MURMUR DO YOUR FACKIN TURN!!!!!
>>566524536>want to buy but deceitniggers will inevitably get sticky fingersCan't have shit in Hell
>>566526958There's ritual for that
Nether Bolts
How did Ma Xibalba fare in the transition from dom 5 to 6?I kinda miss those frog guys.
>>566530679the introduction of simultaneous turns and its consequences has been a disaster for battle replays
that's not very Super Friendly of you.
FRASERNE DO YOUR FUCKING TURN I GOTTA GO TO BED
>>566524536CAM ON LADS SCORE SAM FACKIN TURNS
Nether darts
Holy shit we actually had a fight finally. I underestimated how good the tentacle slimers would be. Probably because I dont know what slime does. But their 4 tentacle attacks are all at attack 12 and do armor piercing 10 damage. Pretty solid.
nighty night
>>566549759Earth snek is dishonest.
>>566510757>Never talk to me or my hydra babies ever again
End of Reason
>>566560071What an era, the time of RoS being the most powerful spell in the game
Who ever is TIEN'CHI in the current EA game, do thy fucking turn!
>>566561876Whomever
Dunno why you dudes voted for me but thanks for the free prestige I guess
gnignht d/omg/
Banefire
Mammon... turn... onegai!!!!!!!
>>566568002THREAT ALERT
Ind finish you're turn......
patch notes onegai...
>>566581274Sorry friend, you got the wrong fat fuck.
>>566530679A FUCKING FROG
>>566581274It's Belph
>>566530679Nobody plays them cause they look goofy but I think they're probably okay.
>>566599872The first mp game I won of dominions was with ma xib in dom 5. So they have a special place in my heart.I got so lucky that game though, I had enough caves and income to make 3 twiceborned camazotz a turn as well as a very early magus temple for astral magic.Just drowned the world in frogs skeletons and winds of death.I figure they must be a bit better now with much more cave province access for camazots, but every time I try to make a pretender for them the new scales limitations really seem to hurt, and also their best pretender got price increases, so I'm not sure where to go with them now.
>go to bed>wake up>that fat fuck still hasn't done his turnI had to doodle it since i'm still mad
>>566607652Lel
Kappas :)
>>566615645why dont enemy commanders just send one of their men to bow at armies with kappas in them, to make all the kappas bow back (it's only polite, after all), spill the water from their head dish, and die instantly? are they stupid?
>>566618679Doesn't work under water, and I suspect if Kappas can engage in land combat without spilling their bowl, they have probably figured out how to bow appropriately.
>>566568002>chosen by the majority to gain a free game long boostNot a brag
>>56660765210/10
Hand of Dust
>awake expander gets limped in the very first combatI didn't want him to move fast anyway!
>>566623259Could be worse anon.I've had an awake expander become mute on turn 3 before, in a mp game
LARp Age Feminie! Stop cooking and do your turn!
>>566623259Hope he doesn't get crippled next!
>>566625216just letting everyone know in this game patala is the threat
>>566626621tell me more
>>566626742they are attacking the rightful pankoman (zemaita) and were smart enough to take cold res. No one is safe
>>566627150lölt. Abyssia
>>566615645who are these bald guys and why are they wearing those suits?
>>566629101They are George Costanzarites.They kneel to the dai bakemono
>>566627150Everyone should attack zemaitia for bullying Pythium-chan!
Because I am so nice I even did a double.>>566626742Any water nation is the threat because of the map. There are two ways to get to the other island that I know of and both of them involve rivers freezing or water magic I might as well not have
Shall we begin gathering for the next one? As predicted, Nomark dominated, proving that Piconye was a setup to deprive the Hoburgs of their rightful spot as the mecha cult faction as Illwinter feared they would be too powerful. As promised, none of the factions seen in this Disciplegen will be returning for the next Allstars. However, we could include the nations (sans Hellenus) from the previous Nationgen game I hosted, if Chauville wants another strong and dependable astral nation, my precious Ssicossith, the winner of that game, would be available. Otherwise, it will be a new lineup. Do you want it to be a Disiciple game/Easy Research again?
>>566599872>>566530679i heard that the mesoamericans are bad past ea in these games because their equipment never really improves like most of the other factions (ie old world humans) do
>>566629101they are lovers of cucumbers and fisters of anusesdon't go skinnydipping in nippon waters
>>566638346MA Xib is even more egregious than that since none of their units have helmets and despite not wearing heavy armour, they still only have 8 map move.Your only real usable unit is your sacred, and even they don't have a helmet. But also unlike EA and LA, you don't even get any unique blood summons like Ozelotls.Most MA nations are relatively balanced, but Xib is notably at the very bottom. Despite having some decent (to outright good) mages, they can't push shit because a single ulmish black knight for example effortlessly 10v1s your best troop.
>>566639232wait MA xib gets no unique summons? isn't that like literally all of the strength of the mesoamericans?
>>566639586They can summon jade serpents and monster toads, but nothing in blood.They've also got the Balam but those need N5 which you don't easily have, and Chaac which require A5 which you definitely don't have.
>>566627150should have finished me off faster instead of raiding like a little bitch then... time for my friends to join in and help me!!!
>>566639586MA xibs win condition (at least in 5) was to get every cave possible and have them constantly making camazots. Forests for ways too. They were extremely map dependent. Amphibious but cant fight a real uw nation, cave reliant and caves were super rare in most 5 maps.If they got a camazots factory and good death income they could eventually hit critical mass on flying stealthy horde of skeletons spammers and assasins with black hearts and just choke people until they could force a very favorable fight on an enemy cap.One other major problem I've noticed in 6 for ma xib is they lost native access to wailing winds, which was extremely necessary for them to deal with a lot of real threats in a direct fight.
>>566637354>as predicted, Nomark dominatedYeah this nation is on a whole different league.Just look at this shit.>relatively cheap>decent stats>not retreating>high protection>no armor so immune to rusting and also no extra exhaustion>high magic resistance>built in 10 resistance to electro/fire/cold/poison>fear 5>built in slash and pierce resistant>darkvision and true sight>affliction resistance>hits like a truck with two attacks>one built in magic attack that also corrodes armorShit's got like 3-4 decent blesses by default. On top of the actual bless. Even unblessed, 4-5 and an identical commander expand without losses through pretty much everything the indies can put together, and so far they've traded in battle at a 1:8 or so ratio
>>566641817Kinda sadeg that my disciple bailed as I reckon we actually have a good matchup into you
>>566632782Cute snek
>>566643725Already got an eye on that. But I also have a shitload of smaller, weaker but still blender-y guys with long weapons to throw in front. I don't think repel would let many of those hits through.Then there's also the economic factor. You guys have been fighting 2 vs 2 from the beginning. Faesunth and I could quickly eat the one guy in our continent before he could get much help, and the second one relied on his trample devouring carps, which were actually pretty dangerous... but my sacreds are the same size, so they're immune to that and turned them into sashimi the moment they met.I own the caves, most of the sea, half of the overworld, got insane gold and gem income. Map fucked you over in comparison
>>566644516The plan was to clog the shit out of the frontline with HoS, Howl, Nigger Mortis and then have the sacreds wrap around while your non-sacred blenders gas out on summons
>>566645739You fool, I was planning to have an entire army of nature mages casting relief and poison clouds. Your sacreds would be sent to Kokytos before mine gather any exhaustion
>>566647197Interesting strategy when I can trivially paint poison ward
>>566644158Cute enough for a hundred apes to have given their lives to save her from the evil moose chud oppression. I will happily loose hundreds more, but no amount of monkeys can complete such a daunting task on their own.Help now, or be forced to live in a doomed snakeless world you have created!
>>566648005>know enemy is spamming heat from hell>'heh, easy, i'll just cast 10 fire wards'>of my collective 200 units, only about 15 get hit despite mages being placed dead center of all of themi've been... out played
>>566648005We'll see about that, I've been flooding the entire place with kited assassins for the past 15 turns. You won't get a step in without losing half your mages
>>566643725Yeah what happened to Frasene? Me and my teammate joked that the moment his dragon died he was gonna quit, even if he owned half of the southern continent, but I can’t believe he bailed on you. I can’t believe MY Disciple bailed on me either, especially since he had all those nice magic sites. Ultimately, confining ourselves to a deathwar was what lost the Southern Continent teams the game. The moment Fukuichi bailed, I should’ve asked for peace in exchange for my vassalage. Since I knew Djanfrut was dead and I discovered that Nomark was crossing the inter-continental subterranean network to deal the deathblow. With 3 of us we may have stood a chance. I don’t even know how Faesunth was doing, but with his economy not being a problem I doubt he was doing badly, since he could spam free spawn crossbreeds.
>>566649331Been meaning to ask. What dic you go for on your Assassins? Water access means coral blades so they don’t die to a fart, but no Death for Black Bows.
>>566649331Nice, up until now I'd been using pearls to teleport my twiceborn 4CP mages underwater. Getting them converted for free is much simpler
>>566650910I want to see how you protect your armies from poison clouds if your mages are respawning all the way back to wherever you cast twiceborn. My mechaburgs will tear your unprotected army apart
Good thread
He's done for
>>566651748
I have a version with 40+ nations. From that, removing the meh ones we are left with 36. Of these 36 we have several that are similar like 2 giant nations with Death Mages and a Vanir and Sidhe Nation but they go about it in different ways. Many Blood and Astral Nations now. A lot of Undead nations too, we got Ghouls. I’ll make the server tomorrow and, as always, give you half a day of grace period before I take my pick for a nation
>>566654516You said that and now 4chan decided I'm no longer on a trusted device and have to do the mensa iq test to post via captcha now
>>566656459
I hope the leviathan fucks off
>>566648257>Send pretender to attack monolith and storm hawks>Stack him with rShock gear>Script him to cast personal rShock>Literally invincible>Goes offscript and casts ironskin instead because 10 rShock seems like plenty I guess<Dies to tstrikePlease make it stop
>>566669310It will after it destroys a place of power held by each player currently
Asstarothschilds it's coming right for you
>>566675305It's fine!
Summon Shades
>>566648168>misjudge the exact placement to get units to fight in the breach>losemy life for a "hold breach" buttonamazing performance from the rare curse of stones though, actually got good coverage
>>566684629>he didnt spend 2 hours in order to test the exact army composition in arena debug modethe discord chads are laughing at us.......
gninght /domg/
Ritual of Rebirth
Should dom 7 have more terrain advantages?
>>566329119Enter the XP sites with your army and commander (I think it works for all troops but I could be wrong)
>>566698367dom 7 should become a hero shooter game and let you pilot your favorite pretender and maybe make it a battle royale
>>566698367Yes but also moddable battlefields
MA Ys is such a wonderful nation
>>566702512
>>566703724fish :DD
Hinaserver seems like it handles mod uploading differently. Do I need to do anything else other than turn the mod file into a .zip file?
Need bunny nation
>>566715378
LArplantis, LArpgartha cmon cmon, lets gooo
>>566641039Kinda wish they didn't hard nerf assassins so much with the addition of arenas that have so many extra npcs/guardsGetting the Courtyard or Tavern arenas just turns it into a coinflip as all your skeletons may fuck off to a guard/npc in Uganda while the ACTUAL target just sprints forward and one shots your assassin.At least in the field they're all clumped up.
>>566718139I'm not even sure how you are supposed to use non mage assassins anymore. By the time you get to bottles of living water the enemy has likely already enough gems and research to fight them off. Vinemen suck too hard to beat even a few innocent bystanders in a tavern too. Kitting out a basic human assassin enough to achieve anything consistently is way too expensive.It's even more dire if you are playing with an improved ai casting mod. Mages will just start obliterating assasins in the first round with mind burns or whatever low research low range nuke they have.I do like the assassin battle arenas in concept though. Highly flavourable and creates amusing interactions, even if most assassins got vastly worse because of it
>>566718893The assassin arenas should have a high chance of the assassin spawning right next to the target, specially if the assassin is patient, or at the very least beelining to them.The challenging part should be getting out alive again as random passerbys and bodyguards close in, rather than struggling to cross the damn room because there's a random drunkard sleeping over there
>>566718893Use these
>>566719571I forgot about the ammy of the dead. Least its something better than the vinemen.Is there even any nations with native glamour that also has mundane assassins to use the shield? La Pyth technically I guess? Death is much easier for them though anyway.
>>566716228my, those sprites are actually very well doneare they a fast raiding scales faction?
I’m kind of in a rut where I’m battling the AI, but I feel also a little nervous as I’m unsure whether I have the right time for multiplayer just yet. I’m wondering whether difficult ai is harder than mighty (in my latest game I set them to mighty & aggressive but this seemed to just make them act like retarded bandits who respond well to a good thrashing low key. Also they always take RETARDED blesses and its getting irritating.) and honestly, I love the game but I’m feeling a bit burnt out just playing the AI since it’s obviously going to be retarded no matter how many unfair advantages it gets in the difficulty settings. That said, I’m also playing the game as a yohoho player and there’s always issues with the cd key in the game that can make it borderline unplayable at times. I know I want the full release its just a matter of time, but also I dont want to overcommit, as wierd as it sounds. Should I just cave and buy? I don’t really play much of anything else nowadays because I’m in a state of constant transit and my shitty laptop can’t run much else. My gayass laptop can’t even run solium infernum on more than 4 players it runs at about 4 fps, thats how bad it is on 5 player.
>>566721035You would be more than ready for multiplayer. Especially by /domg/ standards.The only realy hurdle to being good enough for mp is expansion. If you can get like 15+ provs in the first year reliably on a nation you are ready.
>>566719571Does amulet of the dead spawn more skeletons when casting Horde?>>566669703Shock is truly the most bullshit of damage types. Cold and Fire? 5res of either essentially negates them completely if you have any prot at all. Poison? Unless your enemy is specifically casting Venomous Death or something, 5 more or less negates it entirely.Shock? YOU BETTER HAVE 30, CAUSE an A8 IMMOBILE CASTING 'SHOCKING GRASP' OR TSTRIKE DOES 45 DAMAGE BITCH.
>wake up, flEA Lanka still hasn't done turnThe coffee tastes worse without a turn to do with it :(
>>566711072No, you should be able to just zip the folder and upload it. If it doesn't work then that's probably my fault. I've been meaning to give mod and map uploading some attention for this reason, there's been a few times where it broke for no good reason recently.If https://hinaserver.net/mods/89 was all you were uploading then you're good. I just did up a quick hotfix to make it work. If you are going to upload more and it isn't happy with them, throw it on catbox for me to download
>>566721619Shock is hard to use at a low level tho
what does the city of the damned do? what rewards can one get here?
>>566733919You get gems or gold or crap items On the flip side your dude might instantly die
>>566734359is it worth to recuit indy generals each turn and enter the site with them, or do indys die 99.9% anyways?
>>566736287It's not worth risking anybody meaningful thats for sure.
>>566720996From what I played, they are high magic. All rabbits get twist fate at start of battle, because they are lucky. You can only build palisades, but they auto upgrade into “Castles” called Burrows, where all your knights and heavy armored troops come from. You have Glamour/Elemental Battle Mage General Kings, which come from Burrow, forest recruit wide-but-shallow stealthy mages, Pseudo-Pans in the capital. All Burrow are filled to the brim with peasants, so much so that you get freespawn farmers and blacksmiths, as meat shields and supply&resource boosters, but they have homesickness. Woad Warriors, your sacreds, can become Misfortune spreading Wererabbits using your Spellbook.
>>566723258Sorry about that, just TURNed
>>566725165htts://hinaserver.net/game/40 It’s time. You have 24-ish hours to peruse the lineup of 30+ nations, before I pick my own. Currently it is not a Disciple game.
>>566738871https://hinaserver.net/game/40
>>566738396that actually sounds pretty cool
>>566741893It’s better than Paionia. You go in expecting Thracian Solomonari, Dacian Falxes, special events involving Ermor/C’Tis/Hinnom/Rus/Sauromatia, horse-riding Zmey, Pricolici and so on, you come out with EA Ys but on Land and with worse Morvarc’h… and Dacian Falxes.
>>566738396Interdasting
>>566733919Check the inspector
>When youre so devious you just gotta rub your hands like a bad rabbit
>>566739135Thank you for putting these together, anon. They've been pretty interesting games so far. I'm joining this one too
>>566716228Reminds me of redwall. You should post this in the steam forums and get them to add it actually really good sprites
>>566763279>when you're waiting to see if your low cost high effect plan against your neighbor that's getting too powerful hits but Belphegor still hasn't done his fucking turnBELPHEGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR
okay am i doing something wrong wrt throne generation?i make a new 1v1 small map, set number of tier 2 thrones to 20but it only generates like six thrones. why isn't it filling the entire map with throne provinces?
>>566767985I dont think the game allows you to have only throne provinces. But it might be because you arent increasing the number of points to win as well
>get off work, go to the gym>the fat fuck hasn't done his turn yet
>>566770138 take the brap bill anon
>20 minutes until the fatass stales
BELPHYBOY WHERE ART THOU!!!!
NEW TURN THE FATASS MADE IT IN TIME
>>566739135Angoburg, don’t forget your nation has access to the most busted Mage Pretender in the game, the Supreme Magus, so your Primitive Cities can be upgraded! Believe me, vine-grafted hoburgs are much cheaper than Lamia-Amazons, but when spamming sacreds, you gotta have every advantage.To the person who picked the cursed as fuck Very Primitive Forts Dust Walker Nation, you are far braver than I am. In your honor, I will also pick an economically destitute nation, should it still be available by the time the grace period is over. Don’t forget there’s plenty of weird, gimmicky nations in Bigboys, not just pseudo-vanilla nations. There’s at least 3 nations that can recruit Sleepers and one of them gave all their troops Blind
>>566784725unfortunately the manikin my carrion seed dudes summon are neutral instead of friendly :( oh well, having a dude with a poison attack + a tentacle is still nice
Fomoria... Your disciple turn...
Foul Vapors
Goodnight domg
Feels good playing the honest EA nation
>>566800812Never mind there's an elven linnormir lizard on my borders it's over
Dreams of r'lyeh
big noob, i'm trying to get my bearings with what can/can't "thug". i tried throwing bitch-queen (15 invuln, regen, 3d6 wolves) at a province (cavemen) with ironskin, quicken, and blur, but she got flattened instantly.what are the big no-no compositions that you really shouldn't send thugs into? and, when you've got a tough bastard of a commander, who can cast spells, do you keep casting after putting on buffs or do you tell them to attack? and what spells/how many spells do you actually cast in general with thugs?
>>566805650High prot, some way to passively stun or kill people (astral or fireshield), good stamina management (encumbrance)
>>566805794so invuln, regen, and 18 prot aren't enough, you'd need a fuck-you aura or aoe stuff like breath?
>>56680628918 prot is what a normal meteorite guard has. Invuln doesnt stack on top it's reduced by some formula you can look up. Being hit by a certain roll reduces armor permanently for that battle or until you get back to base too I think. So yeah not nearly enough. Barbarians will eat your ass easily. You either need like 25 defense or something if you have low prot like thatLifesteal is really good too since it gives fatigue back
>>566805650>(15 invuln, regen, 3d6 wolves) at a province (cavemen) with ironskinInvuln and ironskin don't stack together. The ironskin would still be there to protect if the thug got hit by a magic weapon ignoring invuln, but that's the only reason to buff with both. Natprot and armor prot don't stack together additively either, here's the table showing the total prot when stacked.Reason she got BTFO is cavemen hit very hard (28 dmg great clubs) and you generally want significantly higher prot than the damage of whatever you're facing to absorb most of their hits barring lucky outliers (that's what HP and regen are for). Anything hitting for mid-20s and over in damage will be dicey without serious bless/gear investment unless you bring a bigger badder thug.>do you keep casting after putting on buffs or do you tell them to attack? and what spells/how many spellsAlways attack, they're going to fatigue out and die if they keep casting. You want to avoid getting fatigue too high while buffing as they can be critically hit with higher chance closer they get to 100 fat. On that note, you want to have enough reinvig to keep fatigue neutral while in melee, or at least steady enough that they won't pass out before winning the fight.>>566806289For now you'd want much higher prot (think 25+) and either a source of AoEs (breaths work but also gear, see Mace of Eruption for an early option) and/or a large volume of attacks (like dual wielding or from a mount's hoofs/bite). You can make up for lacking these with damage/CC auras like Fire Shield/Awe/Shroud of Bewilderment, but these can be more prone to bad RNG and you should stick with what's reliable until you know what you're doing better.
>>566808627Cavemen are really one of the many indies which will utterly destroy a good chunk of sacreds/thugs,, but eat shit and die to otherwise awful units like merc pikemen, militia, ghouls.>>566805650Other big no-nos for some thugs are:Barbs (unless you have incredibly good prot)Heavy Cav (again, unless you have slightly less good prot)CynosBone TribeA good thug needs a decent level of prot (combined aim for like 25-30), some way to clear chaff thats faster than individually hitting each of them, and ideally ways of mitigating hits such as Mistform, Personal Ironskin, Regen, ect. For the Bitch Queen, assuming you aren't throwing her against one of the best indies at ruining human hp pretenders, just needs some basic const 1 blackplate armor and her invuln will carry her.
>>566806960are vampires worth it
>>566811335Normal vampires? No. Vampire Lords? Sort of. Vampire Queen? My wife is always worth taking on the like 3 nations that can.
>>566811335Unless you have an immortal pretender or commander the normal vampies arent that great.Vampire lords however are probably top 5 raiding thugs in the game. They are stealth and have both blood and death for soul vortex and damage reversal. Invulnerability isnt that great however as you've learned.
>>566812058>>566811386Thank you
>>566530679They're simultaneously underrated and not underrated.They're underrated because of people like >>566638346 and >>566639232 who care about muh troops when all you need is more camazotz. You skelespam, you make fatigue plays, you can mass elf one turn and then group up everything for an army fight the next, and and have easily accessible WoD castersThey're not underrated, because you'll never be able to choose your wars. 3 people who think you're free food *are* going to jump you at the start of the game and you *will* get bogged down in those wars until you're irrelevant.
LArp Andromania, you want to get back to be the perma last guy again, like you were in the beginning of LArp?Everyone else is done for hours already but you!move your dogs already!
>>566805650You need to live and you need to killFor most thugs you are usually casting 1-2 things max themselves but you can also have fluffers cast more on them if its AoE1 and you can stack them up. Keep in mind encumberance is double for spell casting purposes, an underwater melia for example is taking 14 fatigue plus spell costFor a big dog pretender like a Tiwaz of War I'm casting *skin, summon earthpower, fire shield (if it doesnt have it already from bless), mistform, maybe flight or airshield or body ethereal or something else depending on nation specifics.Melias are an example of something not too hard to make live (awe, *skin, mossbody), but difficult to make killy (use the poison stick weapon with PR? fire shield bless or charcoal shields on everyone?)It really comes down to investment, if its something big you can usually afford to spend more turns buffing it, making it fatigue neutral or positive, kitting it out. But if its your average elf jobber on a horse on a nation with very expensive mages you have to make do with the base chassis
>>566816474Fault a man for having a good book to read
>>566817096>cast only two buffsfor cheap thugs maybe, but good ones can definitely full script like dai onisbut maybe those are super combatants
>>566214845Zotz tits
Rigor Mortis
This was from someone elses luck scales lmao
Is this purly random or is Rlyeh fucking with ( my peoples ) mind?
>>566817096>>566810898>>566808627>>566806960thank you very much. this is very helpful!
>>566825227
>>566845437>get to turn and waiting for Belphegor>time for bed and waiting for Belphegor>come from work and waiting for BelphegorBELPHEGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR
>>566846170Fat chuds rule Hell
>>566808627does that table only apply to natural armor + armor or does invuln follow the same logic? i don't know what unit it was but i remember seeing something having invuln but higher prot baseline and wondering what the point was outside of armor rusting or something.
>>566854547invuln just replaces your natural armour (if higher)
Which nation is the most erotic?
>>566854547Invulnerable is like natural armor IF the damage is not magical and IF the invulnerability is higher than natural armor.If the damage is not magical, and if invulnerability is higher, then it is used instead of natural armor.Otherwise, if the damage is either magical or the invulnerability is lower then natural armor is used.
>>566857047ma pyrenes lore is the men all died and then the women started fucking goats
>>566857553>Which nation is the most erotic?>this nation has women fucking goats!Bit of a self report there
>>566857047Depends on what you think is hot. Abysia for rape, Pan if you're a furry, LA Pyrene if you just like naked women, ect.
>>566857553thats so hot
>>566857925what about loving, healthy marriages?>inb4 impossible without robowaifusI know...
>>566857925Abysia is the certified NTR interracial nation
Cmon LArpers, we can get another turn in today!
>>566858119Enkidu?>>566857925Forgot to add Rlyeh for mind control, Erythia for incest, and Sauro for Femdom.
>>566859925Don't forget about LA Feminie.
>>566858119Marry your MAgarthan statue wife
>>566861227still infinitely superior to human "women"
sorry for the slow turns everyone, had some real life stuff going on but should be good to play more consistently now
>>566863220Don't worry anon, real life comes first. We bully you for turns, but we wish you the best. Hope things are going better
Are cave cows a noob trap on ea pyrene?It's so easy and kinda cheap to get massive herds of those weird guys, but they are hard to buff, they suck in melee and can make your real troops rout because they are hard to keep alive.But they are almost FREE. Mouflons too but even worse, but at least they give a supply bonus
>>566867008their spit attack is pretty nice, it's armor piercing and applies acid which is a pretty rare status effect. i just wish there was an item that gave tight rein, like the rat tail or whip of command.
Lilith stop poking me
>>566867008Hard to be a noob trap when they're almost free. Each one is like five accurate magical crossbow bolts. If they fire all their ammo and you've already lost enough frontline that they're all getting into melee, dying and HP routing you, you were probably going to lose that fight anyway.They're great against EA Aby for nuking BOs, they're great against EA Agartha for tanking mind blasts. They're only bad vs Xib.They're better in SCBM where you can fit two per square. Really stupid how you can't in vanilla.
>>566863220Honestly I dont care about slow turns. It's too bad we cant pause for people in this game though
>>566868191
>>566867008All non-national summons are a waste of gems desu.The singular good thing from the entire Conj tree is Wraith Lords, and shit you need to boost/break into magic paths. But literally everything else? Trash.
for the new sloop version, - Ind's Archer Priest gains Bucklerwas this change reverted before release? or are they just missing the buckler they're meant to have
Erm why did the leviathan stop? I was hoping it would eat lilith's power site so I could take it.
>>566871303Good question. As far as I know, it tries to wreck one site from each player and then leaves. Maybe there's some random behavior changes? It did behave very weirdly this time
>>566871625Yeah probably that weird pathfinding at the beginning where it did a circle and decided to fuck with mammon for no reason instead of my site which was RIGHT NEXT TO IT. Or maybe it has a max # of turns it's active then peaces out
hey Sloop the DE "traces of a more powerful site" events ported for v1.11 are missing ~half the sites in the game (unless my Python really sux but spot-checking seems to confirm). Here are the missing events: https://pastebin.com/btPCT5aX
>>566872713Have not done any coding but based on gut I do think there are missed sites that arent showing up. I do like that feature a lot though makes remote searching much more viable.
>>566870157That's too dismissive. Most of them are bad yes, but Fay Knights, Wights and Ether Warriors are all premium troops you can build armies around and Draconians are way too cost efficient to ignore.
>>566881373Naiads are a good water dump too. Especially if you need to get underwater and you got no death
>>566881693ThanksMakes me sad they aren't big tittied fish ladies but I'll make do
>>566872713>>566874456those are all lv1 sites anon
Erzy!
PLACE YOUR BETS
>>566890254https://streamable.com/zhh262It was a miserable stomp but I had no choice cause my supplies and money were dwindling. Not sure why mr coward never attacked as my counter though
>>566874456I was convinced remote is plainly better and did some math to contradict you. Turns out both options seem to be fairly balanced.>traveling is clearly better for the first 20 turns despite the much slower progress, due to the lack of costs>remote search catches up after about 20 turns. Only beefy mages like a X3X2X1 manage to stay aheadBut there's still some bunch of factors that my calculations don't take into account:>traveling is riskier than sitting at home>difficult geography and aggressive neighbors can reduce your traveling efficiency by making you take detours>traveling mages aren't immediately available at home, should they be needed>traveling is immediately available, remote takes some research to get going>remote might require some extra investment in empowerment crafting/trading for a booster, which would delay the break even pointLooks like a few early game travelers, specially of the stronger sort, and then a quick switch to remote searchers might be the most optimal strategy on average.Suggestions and corrections welcome
>>566893115Remote can be more efficient when you consider the types of terrain as well. Eg death sites more popular in swamps, and if you notice weird scales things happening that can tip you off to an efficient remote site search Another complication is how early gems can help you win a war so spending them early can be risky.
>>566894050Yeah, some situations really throw things off. Remote searching for Earth sites in caves is also a no brainer, the return is crazy
>>566891329Your water elementals?
>>566894732Should have had like 6 casted if it didnt idk. Had to communion to cast them
>>566894050>>566894432Another big thing worth noting that I forgot to write in there is that remote is simply more economical than any mage with an AGIIPT lower than 0.6, even if they don't actually search 20 turns long.Like if a X1X1 and one remote dude search for two turns, the X1X1 will have gathered an average of 0.3 gems and the remote guy will have gathered 0.6 but spent 5.1 for a grand total of -4.5... But at this point the X1X1 has gathered an AGIIPT of 0,6 and the remote dude has gathered 1.2. So even if both stop searching right here, the remote dude will still bring a much larger profit over a longer game. 10 turns later the effort of the X1X1 will have brought 0,6 x 10 = 6 gems on average, while the remote dude will have brought 1.2 * 10 = 12 on average. Minus the 5,1 he spent = 6,9. Already ahead after 10 turns.The fact that I assumed the remote guys is searching every single turn presents remote searching worse than it is. After all, the benefit per spent gem decreases as time goes on: at the beginning of the game, spending 10 gems to multiply x2 your income per turn is huge. Later on, spending 10 gems to increase your income by 0.3 is much less worth it - but that's what my table is modeling.If someone feels like helping, it'd be cool if you cool calculate the efficiency of remote searching for 10 turns and calling it a day vs investing further turns into travel searching. Maybe actually the efficient play is shaped like a u, with remote searching being the most efficient at the very beginning (higher %, gem-per-gem impact) and later (long travel times, strong risk due to large wars, enough income that you can afford to throw some gems away to search for more sites), with the efficiency falling in the middle due to the cumulative costs delaying your break even point too hard.An exercise for the reader. I'm going to bed.
>>566891329I was playing it safe as I have done the matchup in the past as kicked the shit out of an overconfident Atlantis player using a Void Lord. But I was going to attack this turn since I just hit a research goal.
>>566895814Wait, I'm an idiot. That information is already in my table too, you just have to cross reference the columns for the AGIIPT and do basic multiplication for the cumulative profit.The remote searcher returns an AGIIPT of 6 by turn 10. A X1X1 will have to search for 20 turns to reach that AGIIPT.By turn 10, the remote searcher has a total return of 1.3 (he's just stopped being a net loss), and over the next 10 turns he's still going to net you 6 gems per turn without spending his mage turn searching. So by turn 20 you'll have 6*10 + 1.3 = 61.3 gems in your pocket AND 10 mage turns to do whatever else you want. The X1X1 will have just netted you 57 gems and 0 free use mage turns at this point.Throwing a few well aimed remote search spells at high value locations is probably one of the best things you can do for your gem economy. Wastelands, provinces with odd scales, caves, underwater... The RoI is crazy
Gotta thank God for this win. Nomark graciously carried me across the finish line beginning to end. Sorry I didn't realize you wanted to throw armies at the ai or I would've delayed the claim.
>>566815983Doesn't even have to be three dudesGot jumped by an Ulm player on turn 15 and I really struggled to see what I could do there to actively push back.Held him off with early skeletons and my Dagon (even the few Lords with GSS couldn't stop him fully) until I could get GoW, Rigor, and Horde spam. Eventually wore him down enough with extremely one sided victories to reclaim all my lands back over ~15-20 turns later.Despite sitting on Earth Blood now into the late 30s, I still feel so far behind, because for that entire time he literally just raided me nonstop, I couldn't make more camazots since my cave provs were constantly flipping, and had to make PERFECT 'spend hours in the arena' plays to not instantly lose.Meanwhile Man next door is simply obliterating the entire lobby and will likely claim five thrones before I can even recover fully.
>>566898140The answer is always and awake god + pd dumping a choke point
>>566898709He learned from the first defeat and realized how retarded my pretender is and began shitting out Guardians, rendering the awake useless (a couple bad rolls he gets fatigued out in a turn from Bane of Heresey)As for choke points... We're playing Mapnuke.
>>566898906Do you have dracolich access? It's good as fuck
>>566870717Can you buff fire shield bless to be the same as the spell?
>>566867008>But they are almost FREEThey actually have horrifying upkeep for some reason, this goes for the ones everyone else can summon too.
Marverni, in the EA game.. Do thy turn, please.
>>566908429wow that's retardedshould I lower it to something like 6g/year upkeep or just remove upkeep entirely
>>566909852EA pyrene is garbage and I've never seen them win so maybe even a negative upkeep would be balanced
>>566908584I am not at home and it has 16 hours left
>17 hours>1 player lefthnnnng
gg TNN, Yeah I probably can't be stopped at this point.
Mages be like: let me cast the evocation right on top of the front line instead of the huge blob of enemies a few tiles back.
gnight d/omg/
Life after Death
>>566919654good midday dong
LArp Pythi, move your poisonous ass
>>566897156Yeah your nation seemed to be way too weak compared to the others. And mine was overpowered as fuck. I'll miss these blender guys, it was fun to see frontlines straight up exploding. Shame the other side gave up too early.Could be a pretty fun map for an everyone vs everyone though. Or if we can somehow make sure that each team spawns in their own continent and nowhere else
>two nations disappeared from the new nationgen game overnightGet yo asses back in there
This was a very easy game due to my sacreds being broken as shit and even more importantly, the map.>2vs1 in the continent, with the 1 backed up in a corner>quickly eat him before his teammate can react>teammate, who was in the central island, does send some armies and causes some trouble with his enlarged trample swallowing carps, but my sacreds are the same size turn them into sashimi every time with barely any losses>no mage support or changes in tactics to get around my frontal block of blenders, either>start building temples on the upper north corner of the map>quickly take over the entire continent and start capturing the caves and the lower right sea corner>island guy can't do anything for himself either but getting there is very awkward due to geography and the ocean crossings so it still takes a long while to get there>my teammate keeps losing battles but then he starts playing pokemon with all the nasty pre-set monsters in the map and switches into a decent threat>spend some more time just finishing things off and setting up for a large scale invasion>capture half of the sea>capture all caves and fill them with my mass recruitable E3 mages with earth boots to give any invaders a cheeky cave earthquake every turn>30 build temples by now, holy points from 4 to 10>finally launch the final invasion on the other continent with two fuckhueg armies and dozens of mages>teammate points out that he's capping the last throne we need in like two turns>game endsBit anticlimatic. Whish I could have joined earlier the battle for the Swamp of Moggers
>>566937547
Ermor has drawn first blood...
>>566937547>This was a very easy gamebro is so tuff
>when you get bullied so much in the thread you have to forge your own diplomatic immunity to stop it
>>566937547>Swamp of MoggersIt was pretty cool, the commander had this which is bredy gud if you can lock the guy holding it in a box so they don't run forward and die. A bit less useful on a nation of S2N2 mages though
I was just clicking on indy provinces...
>>566938619Cant touch this. Stop: Conclave time
>>566937547I said it once and I'll say it again: sorry for the map choice. I was hoping for wrap around or more cave entrances or less powerful indies to use those ports, OR AT LEAST FIXED START POSITIONS! I thought it was a Disciple map, but it must've been for only 2 teams because 1 team was split across the central island and the western continent and the other 2 were sharing the same continent and, with no apparent exist, forced to fight to the death. This was a mistake and I won't repeat it. until I find THE PERFECT DISCIPLE MAP, I am not doing a fixed map for Nationgen Disciple games, even as a Disciple, Faesunth felt like he couldn't contribute to the game due to the bizarre nature of his Nation and even thought he should've leaned in on the Thuggy nation of his higher level Foulspawn, the lack of space, constant pressure and danger of the independents prevented him from doing so!Sorry. Anyway, I will pick my Nation now and will launch the game in a few hours.
Pythium, dont stale! I gave you a GSS this turn! Use ít! Help is on its way!Taking about LArp Age here
>>566941684bro? your gss?
>>566893115Thank you for the investigation and math, much appreciated.
>>566938619How come all the good shit takes ichor
>>566943874Demon coffee.
>>566943874Artifacts are mainly darkness tokens
Rotund, yet muscular, giant elephant-headed men that dabble in Death Magic. That is my Nation
>>566872713>>566888587ah fuck I knew I was being a dumbass about something. Re-ran and yeah they're all there. Good stuff
Oy! Murmur and Belph!
>>566943874There's some patterns. Legions, praetors and artifacts all require mostly specific tokens.The disciplines that work together with them require the same resource to level up, as do the rituals. You gotta balance getting all the good shit with actually being able to do anything with it
>>566948998Fuck yeah, let's go
>>566950187What's fire tokens good for
>>566951990Strider farming
>>566948998Is there a nationgen game recruiting right now?
>>566951990Destruction rituals. Praetors like them a lot too>>566955042Hop in we're about to starthttps://hinaserver.net/game/40
>>566960279>destruction ritualsare any of them actually good besides killing legions?
>>566962004fucking up praetors and smashing ritual tables
>overbid with the wrong token
>>566967098at least you'll get it!
>>566960279>all the nations that have cool troops have shit mages>all the nations that have cool mages have shit troopssufferingKuntis looks funny with Dark Power 8 on the sacreds but I'm unsure if they actually get a cave start despite everyone having dark power.
>>566960279>about to startUhh give me about 8 hours please
>>566969850It's a nationgens game. Most things are put together by dicerolls and often don't make sense. I had recruitable troops that worked as communion slaves last game. I didn't have astral or blood.Ideally just test it, but I wouldn't count on it.The berserker minotaur nation had a nice balance of good troops and good mages. But also berserker mages...>>566967098Wait, different tokens count differently for overbidding?
>>566972676>Wait, different tokens count differently for overbidding?The anon was probably saving that token for something else.
>>566972676No but it can auto select consolidated tokens
>>566976808>trusting the autoselectorShit is intentionally wasteful. Can't trust anyone in hell
>>566969850>>566972676It's almost as if I know the horror stories and try to prevent blatantly overpowered nations, only to sometimes get something objectively badass like Nomark and accept them in anyway. And yes, Nomark was a Golem worshiping Nation, with no native constructs, it also had free communion slaves, with no Astral, but it also had Pretenders with Astral access and that combo was but one avenue you could run the nation as.anyway, game start
>>566969850There are no Water Nations in Nationgen, only amphibious nations (unless I am dumb, but based on how it broke Arena Map like what happens when you have too many land-only Nations and some spawn in the Sea...), as for Cave Nations, they don't have preference, you could spawn above or bellow ground, a bit like post-EA Abysia, only they tend to favor the above ground
>>566979729If you give me a little bit I might joinKopko or Bouthisda?
>>56673887120 minutes until start
>>566980613how does Hinaserver work, I've been on break for a while. Do you email it like we used to with llama back in the day?
>>566980450The Flying Asian Monkeys may be a bit derrivative when you already have japanese monkeys, but these Monkeys have the Jomon Elemental Priest Signs in their spellbook, alongside the rest of the Jomon spells, but no native E/F/N/W H1 accessFire Power Ophidians means that you don't get fucked by Cersith's economically crippeling dominion, but I am fairly certain at least one of the nations present is cold scales, which would suck, however, having a Random 1 Mage is very good and Ophidians in general seem to just be C'Tissians but more elementally viable, they are still massive fucking cowards
>>566980959Nevermind figured it out I'm retardedPlease decide for me though >>566980450
>>566980959no. you go on hinaserver.net you go to the game you want, you look for the word Adress and under it you copy what you see into the "join a game server" button on the multiplayer functions in the Dominions application and THEN, a second screen pops up, and THERE you type in the number 10003, then you wait for the server to upload the mod directly into your Roaming folder of Dominions
>>566981173As much as I want to mess with Kopko's anyfort flying bandar samurai sacreds, I've come up with a much funnier name for a Bouthisda tendie...>>566981534Yeah I realized it was just blitzserverI didn't realize you could just auto-download mods these days, I grabbed that shit off the site manually
>>566981173>>566981161Flying monkey nation seems just a bit too good, but I am playing the Giant Nation, so if that is my counter so be it. We already have Japanese Monkeys, they have Tiger Chariots. We don't have Ophidians though and you can't play ophidians in normal Dominions and that's the funnest part of Nationgen
>>566981943You've convinced me, I shall simply be trampled underfoot by the elephants and hiss while doing so
I feel dirty, choosing a 2 attacks per square Giant Iron Age Nation when there is a man in this server who saw +2 Health +2 Attack Hoburgs with Glamour, Iron Weakness, Goose mounts and no clothes and went "...Yes, this is the one" I really want to join you in camaraderie as another Hoburg nation, but the Elephant men are calling to me since the first time I've seen a Nationgen game
>>566982463The hoburgs have sleep vines on their anyfort sacred with actual attack skill which is scary
>>566982463The elephants were my first choice, but I just could not get over them not having trample.
>>566981812Welcome to the future old man
>>566982637yes, yes they do. You might've missed it, but there's 2 types of Horticulturist Cults presets for Hoburgs. You have the Splicers-like grafted vinemen hoburgs who live twice as long and can have Awe, Regen, Spikes, Recuperation, Sleepvines, Carrier Vines and so on and are essentially ecologically friendly cyborgs (badass)And then, you have the Slavers. Who have a bunch of powerful high cost Primary Race types (like say, Steel Age Avvim) as Mindless High HP and Strength but abysmal stats Magic Being Fungus Zombies. Slavers also sometimes have Vine Grafted Hoburgs, but they are also Mindless Fungus Zombies.Believe it or not, I actually vetoed a Slaver Horticulture Cult because it had Avvim Fungus Slaves, since they had like 40+ Hp and 2 to a square, even with like 8- attack, since they were recruit anywhere mindless slaves... it would just be too much
>>566983405Do Fomorians have Trample?Do Rephilim?Do Nephilim?Do Grigori?Keep in mind, you can have Horns and still not Trample, Minotaurs have Trample because they don't have a Horn attack, its to signify them using their horns to attack but being so clumsy, so furious, so careless that they just walk over you instead of goring you.Minotaur Manikins, can Gore, so they don't have trample.Asterios, the Monster Minotaur, has Horns AND Trample, but he also has Invulnerable 20, human feet and long limbs, so what he is probably doing is throwing himself on you as he charges, performing a sort of belly-flop-headbutt since he doesn't need to worry about injuring himself, unlike a Minotaur and is much more durable then just a skeleton wrapped in VinesTusked Ones don't trample for the exact same reason a Nephilim doesn't trample. He's a biped with a humanoid skeletal structure and humans knees really dislike the action of trampling
>>566982463My analysis of what was already picked- t. sneksYou're definitely THE THREAT even if your cheapest infantry is 70 gold (hydra hatchlings aren't real), elephants being what they are. Please don't be next to me.Angoburg's hoburgs are really funny but mostly harmless to anything with armor, apart from >>566982637 which is actually pretty spicy. One of the champions has an AN weapon too.Elembos has a wide variety of cool minotaurs with solid armor- the flail ones less so but they might be pretty spicy with buffs, since they're two attacks each. Formation fighter +5 berserker sacreds are scary as fuck and make up for having leather hats. Berserker mages will probably bite them in the ass, but they're also pretty cool. Please don't be next to me.Nemon has solid heavy armor human dudes and also knights riding 19 prot dire wolves, which is pretty cool. Interesting paths.Cersith is like a way scarier version of me but pays out the ass for the crazy statlines and is lacking in the armor department, with a distinct lack of hats. Unsure how that'll work out, but I like them. The sacred chariot's camel is completely naked. Cool mages, and reanimator priests should help make up for the really expensive infantry.The monkes are rad. Bandars wearing actual armor are pretty great. The name makes me suspect they're trying to make use of the 14 gold archer sacred, which is extremely based.Kumburg is incredible, no notes. Swan cavalry is really funny. I wish them only the best. Actually has very good mages, and the cheap comm slave/labrat is also the only one with 20 HP.
oh also, you might've forgotten that Luck scales aren't useless in Nationgen. EVERY Nation has at least one hero and as many as 4+. Some heroes suck balls, especially Lamias because they also have Regeneration tag which lowers their natural regeneration, but others are complete game changers, like Holy 3s or Air 4s or even just a wall of muscle that can kick the shit out of any Fort recruit Thug.Don't underestimate Luck
>>566987239>I can get a D4G4B1 homosexual sailor smithkickass
Twiceborn
>>566987239>two games ago>get a hero>literally just a villager with a quarterstaff>get another hero>another villager with a quarterstaff and a leadership morale +1 trait>leadership 0
hinamin when is map uploading going to be reenabled?
>>566951990Destruction mainly but legions and certain artifacts take a lot too.>>566960279Pretty sure all praetors are the water + souls. No fire praetors that I've seen
EXCOMMUNICATION INCOMING
>>566994462So who we voting? Not it.
>>566991665Now. I have been putting off a 15 second change unnecessarily long
>>566994462Holy fugg :DDD
>>566997118mammon does have a 1 hp capital....
>>566994462Will this mean if I get exocommunicated I can still get prestige from rituals
>>566994462Belph!!
>>566998379hey mammon if you vote for me that also means i get to attack you so i would consider not
>>566994462So just turtle up?
