Previous Commission >>567003039>Game Website & Downloadhttps://stellasora.global/>JP Clienthttps://stellasora.jp/>Current Content[4/16 - 5/14] Shop Skin - Chitose[4/16 - 5/14] Shop Skin - Nazuna[4/30 - 5/18] Recruit - (Aqua) 5* Chitose[4/30 - 5/18] Disc Pickup - (Aqua) 5* Sword Against Stream[4/30 - 5/30] Battle Pass Skin - Ridge[4/30 - 5/30] Battle Blitz (Element: Lux, Aqua, Ventus, Umbra)[4/30] The Nova Times · Chapter 14 - Caramel[5/08] Chapter 7 - Price of a Star[5/08 - 5/13] Event - Call for Best Records>Upcoming Content[5/14 - 5/21] Minigame - Arc of Abundance[5/14 - 5/28] Event - Framing the Feelings Unseen[5/14 - 6/04] Limited Recruit - (Lux) 5* Firefly & (Lux) 4* Tilia - (Terra) 4* Ridge[5/14 - 6/04] Limited Disc Pickup - (Lux) 5* Stellar Destination[5/14 - 6/04] Shop Skin - Minova[5/14 - 6/04] Cataclysm Survivor - Catastrophe (Element: Lux, Umbra, Aqua)[5/25] The Nova Times · Chapter 15 - Minova[5/25 - 6/01] Minigame - Bouncing Bumper Bash[5/25 - 6/01] Mini Event - Call for Best Records[5/25 - 6/15] Recruit - (Lux) 5* Shia[5/25 - 6/15] Disc Pickup - (Lux) 5* Ripples of Nostalgia>Database, Builds and Toolshttps://stella.ennead.cc/>Resources and useful linkshttps://pastebin.com/RXz7Dw7S (Friend list)https://rentry.org/StellaSoraResourceshttps://rentry.org/SoraTierListshttps://rentry.org/StellaSoraPresetshttps://rentry.org/StellaSoraAscensionGuideCode: CLAW2026, OTOHA, FIREFLY
>>567153831Fuyubased
>>567153831*smooch*
After putting much thought into it i think i've arrived at the definitive conclusion that Otoha is best suitable girl to marry with:>Knowledgeable>Intelligent>Kind>Caring>Attentive>Attractive>Feminine>Cultured>Charming>Fashionable>Mature>Patient>Soothing Voice>Resourceful>Good Cook>Hard Worker>Disciplined>Assertive>Wise>Pretty>Generous>Punctual>Refined Taste>Diligent>Good Teacher>Protective of her close ones>Very Skilled in combat>Playful sense of humor>Has fluffy TailI just find it very hard for other trekkers to out do Otoha with all of these qualities.
>>567153998>girl
How much do you love Stella Sora? Just curious and want to gauge sentiment on the game
>>567154114I hate the yostar execs in charge of the gameI love the creative personnel in charge of the gameno homo
>>567154114I think it's a really good game
>>5671541143 maybe 4 out of 10There's some good parts but there are also a lot of bad
>young
I like Stella Sora
I want Porno from Dohna Dohna as a collab trekker and nobody can convince me that isn't a good idea
She's young in kitsune years
I hope we get more Nazuna soon
Nazuna deserves Maou more than Nazuka
Reason I like Stella Sora: tons of sprites.
>>567154915Not entirely wrong, but Nazuna needs to grow up mentally to settle up with someone else, while Nazuka is already up there.
>>567154560Many are saying this.
Describe the life with a Nazuna gf
>>567154948One of the best things about the game is it feels like a premier visual novel. You can also just read the story without worrying about teams or game-play.
>>567155047Lots of tantrums and naps
https://x.com/ada_maru_001/status/2055516171676631212
Otoha is... okay, not bad. I don't understand the extreme fascination.
>>567155557Her chest was made so I could stuff my face in there and listen to her heartbeats.
Star Guild bros...
>>567155601Foxfuckers
https://x.com/nonateeb/status/2055533238408650880
Why does Serena look like a loli but she's tall?
>>567156012Just cause she's cute doesn't mean she looks like a loli
What happens if you suddenly grab Portia's breast? You just put your hand into her shirt and then you grope and rip her shirt off
>>567156106instant sherlockification
>>567156106Dungeon shop owners are all monstrously strong to stop random travelers from mugging them.You will get force fed dungeon food and turn into a sherlock.
https://x.com/funimani/status/2055529446288060645
>>567156234>>567156403What is this sherlockification? Is this in the story somewhere? So they're like Prinnies?
>>567156712bro your nova times?
>>567156712If you eat food from the monolith, you become super docile like a zombie
>>567156801Mi nova times?
*enters the thread*
>>567156712the story with the main trio
>>567156712
I love how the world looks all cute, clean and stuff but the second you start reading and uncovering shit everything takes a turn for the worse, everyone wants to fucking kill you and one bad step might as well be your demise.Lovely, innit
>>567157258
>>567157405just like real life haha..
Chaton will be the savior of minion builds, mark my words.
Okay but when's the official licensed Stella Sora fighting game coming out?I wanna Korean backdash with Fuyu
>>567157737We already know her kit from the beta leaks, she's a charge character like frontline Freesia. Charging up her sniper rifle to giga blast shit. Well, unless they reworked her.
So does anything above golden elemental pen for emblems actually exist or was it all a psyop to coerce me into spending thousands of resources with absolutely no gains
>>567158104your goblets?
>>567154283>but there are also a lot of badPic very related
>>567158104I have like 8 rainbow pens. However, I haven't seen a single rainbow crit once in my life.
>>567158445I have never rolled a natty rainbow pen but have maybe 4 rainbow critsOne of them is on Gerie
>>567159018The mark pop can crit, having crit on Gerie isn't bad.
>>567154454Wait a minute..
>>567158445Lucky you I only got pen once on Chitose, but 2 crit on 70/80 emblems on Firenze...
I'm trying to find this track that plays often during the main story and it's a silly tune. There are so many tracks I've never heard of...
>>567154114Does a lot right and a lot wrong, but has been improving quite a bit over time since release. It's comfy enough that I don't mind sticking around for the long run however long that'll be
>>567158104I have literally never seen rainbow pen.>>567154114Same as >>567162352I like the game a lot despite all its faults. I want to see it succeed but it needs to make some big changes.
>>567158328Yeah. Play just a little longer...? is exactly how I feel about this game.
WHEN CAN I ROLL HER
https://x.com/HoundShou/status/2055561767724753396
>>567163197soon
I pray that at least Bastelina will be a functional main that doesn't have big tits
>>567164312She's a support bro, she's literally constantly supporting you through the story
I'm surprised at how reasonable she was, I thought she would be a complete over the top turbojew.
>>567165207>trust in loansngmi
>>567163269heh pretty good
>roll for Chitose dupes>hope I can at least get one extra on the way to claim cause getting only T1 is useless>don't get anythingWell at least I didn't lose my pity.
>>567168447You'll get lucky when you pull out the card and t5 her
>>567168447>roll for Chitose dupes
>>567168531Honestly tempting.>>567168698I did it for love.
https://x.com/_e_2525/status/2055582920597995808Firefly build 1 not working confirmed intentional.
>>567170186>confirmed intentionalI thought it was confirmed intentional when it asked for the character kit that doesn't exist in the game, you can't do that unintentionally.
>>567170186this is yostar's first game that they're developing, please understand
>>567170186we already knew this though?
>>567170186not even a year passed already on lunar reaction slop, future kits looking grim
The perception would be so much different if they just released a 4* with lucent together with her.
>>567170186You mean the Lucent thing? It's weird releasing a backline for it when the thing isn't the game yet but we've had Coronis with her Dark Shackles from day one so it was expected at some point.
Nobody is paying attention but they are clearly prepping a versatile-versatile-support team environment for the future
>>567173360Every single frontline versatile was dogshit so far, you're imagining things.
>>567173360You mean a support-vanguard-vanguard team environment for the future.
>>567173598the only good support vanguard is gerie and merely because she's the only one in her element
The funny thing about Firefly build 1 is that even if Shia had lucent, it still wouldn't be a thing with her. That pot expects you to pop mark 20 times while Firefly skill is on cooldown. Shia can't do that shit, you need someone like Firenze for that.
I need minova sexThe eye patch stays on
>>567173956in one target? it's gonna be difficult but through multiple targets easily
>>567176047
Has there been any news about adding older characters to the standard banner? I already have all the standards, and I’m sitting on 260 tickets, but is there even any point in hoarding them?
>>567176771not yet
>>5671767711st anni for chitose onwards is my guesswhat i would prefer is if they are going to take that much they better put groups of characters in standard at once
https://x.com/Longi_LNG/status/2055630410953220313
Darcia doesn't deserve redemption
>>567178343Firenze doesnt deserve we forget her ID photo
Darcia owes me so much sex it's unreal
https://x.com/mikan_0144/status/2055632882501345616
https://x.com/Egao_hy/status/2055627033863233589
https://x.com/stilltiredngl/status/2055625014066725175
>>567179220>Owes me so much sex>OwesYou kill her, she doesnt own you anything.
As many threads until she returns >>567154114Eh... Neutral? I though the game would be comfy but it really wasn't. It has it good things but I cannot really say now how much I love SS
https://x.com/KuroiJArt/status/2055637474173759723
>>567179540>>567179665Playable when
>>567181754>Maou-kun stamp on her mirrorNot beating the Novia allegations
>>567154114I feel the handling with the game has been rough but everything from the concept, vision, art direction, music, and story is really soulful aand has so much potential. It may be cope but I'm just hoping Yostar continues keeping it alive long enough to see it turn into a success. They're definitely going to need to run some sort of returnee/new player event with a billion gibs to bait people into playing while throwing current players a bone with something like a limited GSSR for trekkers and discs after they continue fixing things up.tldr: game has potential please don't die
Firefly going viralhttps://youtu.be/F3Y4bW7RuZE?si=rWTlcDwK4pF1sYBF
>>567184143An entertaining story and marketing is all you need to get people hooked to your brand and not necessarily to the game, it works for Nikke, BA, Limbus.The patch structure of this game evidences that this game has a small team in charge of 3d visuals, combat and programming; a larger 2d graphic teams in charge of CGs, illustrations, UI, UX, and prossibly more than one team in charge of scripwriting for main story, events, trekker dialog.It will all depend on how much patience, pockets and willingness yostar to expand their dev team to polish the game.
I need a wife gf so bad bros it's not fair
>>567154114I love it enough that I get excited whenever a new chapter drops. I'd rather the other gacha games I play go EoS than Stella Sora. Also, I love Firenze.
>>567173598>>567185456Wai! Wai!
>>567184143This for me, I want to add that I think the gameplay is fun, but it really depends on boss fights like boss blitz or finale echoing, regular stages like event battle stages or ascension are to simplistic, in both enemies and stage design, arena feels like is just dps checks to be honest, no interesting enemy designs, but hlw the game plays, the top down view, the action, is something I do like but again is not being fully utilized, it all comes to "game has potential"
>>567169537I mean, what can Chitose do if Maou is happy being envelop in velvety fox fluff? Take back Maou and then having to deny them the fluff? She is a sword no my mom.
>>567181754>Maou-kun sticker>But Maou-chan taking picsHow does this work?
>>567188759That's post-dimensional merge
>>567188759Don't question it or the timelines will warp again.
https://x.com/simorene_/status/2055656875757347260
https://x.com/misosiru1214/status/2055664272747978995
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/144846706
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/144840205
https://x.com/Sneusagi/status/2055632857599742352
>>567185456Will Yostar notice?
>>567190238uh what?
how will the players react to the wheelchair girl though...
>>567190957those that don't care will skip obviously
>>567190957Yostar knows she will flop, they didn't even attempt to hype her, they are just dumping the characters they have finalized, expect more for Chaton
>>567190957I will roll if she isn't markslop
>>567191203blue archive has himari, so who knows.
>>567191779it's problem is not about the wheelchair design
https://x.com/Aida_noa_/status/2055671941131055493
I cannot love a game that kills or ruin it's girls for the sake of stake. If Igna dies I am quitting and EoSing this shit.
>>567192429Igna is just too evil. China will not let this stand.
>>567192429We need male npcs for these kind of things although the death flags will be much more obvious
>>567188759It's obvious Maou-chan will sell these to Maou-kun while Mí Novia begs her not to.
>>567192894China needs to get nuked to learn a lesson
Darcia is fucking dead.
>>567192429Any girl with great design is not immune from being killedBut a girl with great design and obviously the largest boob in the game? Yeah no way Yostarman will kill her. That's a bad marketing practice.They will hype her up progressively with her role as the supervisor of Archon countermeasure task force and release her as limited unit. Trust me bro)))>>567192894China is evil therefore Igna will not die regardless
Mmmmmmmmmmm sake and steak...
They gave a VA to Darcia retardfaggots, she will come back.
>>567189905I will impregnate this eldritch slut with triplets at minimum
>>567154114I'm somewhere between like and love for this game. Even though I say this I don't even fully know the lore as I didn't really pay attention to a lot of the story so I guess I just mostly like the characters? I don't care that much about the gameplay but it's a bit tedious. I love the music and it feels and sounds more like a visual novel to me than other VNs like Blue Archive. I do like /sora/ too despite playing a bunch of other gacha I choose this general. Some thoughts about Blue Archive as there is some overlap, I've lost my love for Blue Archive over the years as a day one player and the characters in Stella Sora feel more meaningful and they are just better in every way to me. The percentage of characters I like in Stella Sora is so high, something like 70%+ and I'm not sure why while the characters I like in Blue Archive is maybe around 5%. I find myself disliking and even hating some characters. Maybe it's the artstyle, BA just feels inconsistent, flat and shitty, something like that. Also I don't care about titles and ranking in Stella Sora which maybe makes it more enjoyable instead of bothering to plat every time. I can go on and on but whatever
They "killed" darcia for exactly building up the hype moment where she revives, i'm all too familiar with this.
>>567194365If we are to talk about BA vs Stella Sora characters, the major difference I think is that the background for the characters of Stella Sora is more pronounced. There are more details in that regard and we actually see how it affects the character in game.
>>567154114I love it.
>>567154114I never liked it. To this day I wonder why they made a BA clone without cunny.
>>567154114Got hooked at first but as my account level went up I realized there isn't much content. Ascension mode looks like it'll be a nothingburger in the late game despite seeming like it would be the main mode. For a game with roguelike elements the lack of an endless mode seems strange.
I just tried Nanoha and oh no, sorry NoyaGonna have to replace you (﹏)Already have my fair share of sword waves from PGR
;_;>>567178000
>>567197003what a cute post
If I'm doing Firefly main, what emblem stats would you guys suggest I go forI'm not asking if Firefly main is good, I don't give a flying fuck, I'm asking what emblems I should target to make it as functional as I canMy current assumption was mark damage, crit stats, pen, and either skill/auto attack damage depending on if I'm going the ST or AoE build
>>567154114So far both the characters I pulled seem to suck ass as mains and all the limited characters that are intended as mains are extremely easy skips, plus the main monolith mode is boring as hellThe game has a good foundation but still needs a lot of work on top of it
>>567194365>Also I don't care about titles and ranking in Stella Sora which maybe makes it more enjoyable instead of bothering to plat every timeFeel free to continue not caring, but SS is soooo much easier than BA. BA felt like a second job with resource planning to balance investments on ooparts/skills/gear/eligma/whatever, pull planning, looking up clears, following the clears, transcribing the skill rotations/timings, crit malding etc etc.To be fair, I was a top ~100 player looking to clear the top difficulties, but the ceiling of time and effort to invest was just too high and exhausting. I was in multiple d*scords with a bunch of top ranking players and saw many of them burn out in the same way as I did. Staying at the top took constant high effort.Meanwhile SS is just like, "dump vigor into emblems daily, and you'll eventually get strong enough". Especially now that ascension is made a lot easier and you don't really need to grind that anymore. I'm not quite top 100 in SS, but pretty close - yet I'm putting in like 2% of the overall effort compared to BA
Nanohabros our time will come
That tummy window is so unnecessary but also so hot, I need to impregnate this fertile looking lady on the spot
I hate carrots for most of my life and these are rather flavourless. I don't know how a kid could dislike carrots, it's not like broccoli or something like that, y'know.
>>567197575by doing a quick read on all her tooltips and pots they seem all extremely straightforward for what you want to do>want single target? top build>want aoe? bottom buildboth builds are xenophobic in damage types so you will lose efficiency mixingI AM THEORYCRAFTING obviously as Fuyu is an exception to this rule.From the generic pots.Phantom Blast 1Blazing Radiance 6Persisten Warmth 6 (highly optional but seems good)
>>567198194>I don't know how a kid could dislike carrotsOne badly cooked dish with <veggies> is enough
>>567197762Actually it's the other way around for me as I'm only aiming for plat in BA which is fairly easy if you're a long term player. I could not make the 10% cut after the first raid or whatever it's called in SS unless I put in much more effort. You can just follow a guide and do the exact steps in BA while in SS you have more variables like emblems and potentials. Just can't be bothered anymore
>>567198194>hateMeant to say "ate". I don't mind carrots on my dishes at all.>>567198423Kinda, but carrots are so fucking harmless, tho, and don't leave a heavy aftertaste in your mouth.
>>567198402>>want single target? top build>>want aoe? bottom build>both builds are xenophobic in damage types so you will lose efficiency mixingFirst ever well designed SS character kit with use cases for both builds instead of one optimal all use buildAnd then they had to ruin it by making her mid AND shill for a future unit that won't exist for another half year
The Disgaea collab looms ever closer.This is Disgaea's Fuka, the character that Yostar seem to have taken heavy inspirations from to make Firefly and her Sherlock hoodie, if the Japs are to be trusted.
>>567154114I'm beginning to dislike it more and more. I was hopeful that they were going to fix the game by half-anni but the fix was half-assed and even insulting (emblems).I want to call them incompetent but it almost looks like they're sabotaging their own game. Bad decisions and designs after another. Right now they added a trekker were 3/4 of her builds don't even work. Teams are also becoming more and more restrictive. We now have pots were you need a full team of the same element to even make it work.
>>567198060>That tummy window is so unnecessary It is necessary, thats how she seduces old rich men to donate to grace imperium
>>567198579I admit I don't know how it is to stay in "just plat" for either games and I have a stronger competitive drive, so yeah it might be different for you.>You can just follow a guide and do the exact steps in BABut this shit is so annoying though, because you need new guides almost constantly, and then sometimes it needs a lot more strict adherence or learning (ex. Yesod, Geburah, the entire tower mode to clear f99/100, random fucking GA insane speedruns, JFD gimmicks). I might need a new guide like every week or two.With SS, I might follow a guide to get the record, but nowadays I can maybe just steal a build from the leaderboard. After the record is made just once, I'm pretty much done for the entire month or whatever.Emblems are a permanent daily grind, yeah, but you don't really need to think about. Just log in, sweep, and roll. It takes like 2 minutes daily with little active thought or effort. And with good or bad emblems, you are mostly doing the same thing (aside from charge efficiency exceptions, which are kinda rare)
>>567198402I get that part, I was more asking about which emblems to go for, I'm ASSUMING that pen+crit+mark damage+some sort of extra attack boost is what to look for but I'm not sureAnyways thanks bro
>>567199216>We now have pots were you need a full team of the same element to even make it work.I mean, the moment we have the classic 6 elements mechanics, this what all team building would be about, its always like this, so I feel its unfair to critize this as a solely stella sora problem
>>567198579For SS' case, it becomes extremely simple once you understand that this game is all multipliers stacking on top of each other> BASE ATK is your most important stat> Skill multipliers and leveling skills is also paramount, a single skill level increase can up your dps 10%> PEN is pretty much mandatory as the calculation for it is whack> Special multipliers > Debuffs for the Enemy > +Ele DMG% = +DMG type% > Attack speed (if AA based) > +ATK%>Some special multipliers: Specific Attack damage % increase, Remaining Health bar damage % increase, +Elite damage % increase, Mark damage %, etc.>small damage numbers, between 10k to 900k, medium damage numbers 1m to 9m, big damage numbers anything above 10mThe rest of the build comes from balancing said multipliers between your team pots, and since you have a window of 75 to 85 pots to work with on average you have to make compromises in teambuilding.Now with presets is much easier and intuitive to keep track of how much of each multipliers you are getting per team combination.
I think the biggest mistake Stella Sora made was putting in modes where you rank for rewards. It means you actually have to balance shit, but this game is kind of a pain to balance.
>>567199458I get what you said, and now that you mention it i have to point out that this game has Yugioh text legalese, maybe that's why it confuses a lot of people.Something about firefly that you might have not realized is that leveling her AA attack is completely useless.Pots change how the character works and her First build pink pots say that her MAIN SKILL start shooting lasers that deal AUTO ATTACK damage, so what you want from your lvl 80 emblems is +3 MAIN SKILL and not +3 AUTO ATTACKBut you DO need +30% AUTO ATTACK DMG because it increases the damage type regardless of the source, different thing.Just like how Otoha's MAIN SKILL deals a portion of it's damage in ULTIMATE DAMAGE.Auto Attack, Skill Damage, Ultimate Damage, Minion Damage are all akin to Slash, Blunt, Pierce, Explosive damage in other games.Also PEN is obviously a no brainer, and the lvl 90 pots i'm not sure because that comes from learning how the pots interact on the field.
>>567201028I'd argue the gacha system and the Ascension system as a whole are bigger mistakes, but I agree with your general statement
>>567201028To me top 10% is a big zone and there's no top 100 top 10 top 1 rewards so you basically don't have to worry if you are not autistic, getting your invested nanoha team to top 10% in any given season feels more rewarding than having to crunch the meta in other games because bosses are basically designed around the new shill characters and anti-designed around the older ones
>>567201431They really should remove the free claim at 120 and make it a 50:50 at 80
>>567200459You are way overcomplicating this for the average player or most people just wanting to stay in the top 10%. This stuff would only matter if you're planning out a build yourself, but this is extremely rare and like 98% of people will just ask for a preset code to blindly follow instead
>>567202038Teaching them how to fish, so they don't have to beg for food tomorrow.
>>567201887>what is we made the gacha system WORSEYOSTAR HIRE THIS MANFor real though why do this? Everybody would complain then about not making the 50/50 and having to spend 160 to hit hard pity instead of just hitting the 120 claim and using your 40 for the next one.
>>567201887>there are actually people who believe thisYeah, the biggest mistake the Stella Sora devs made was underestimating how stupid gacha players are.
Is there any way to check how many of the pre-set's skills you've already obtained mid ascension?
>>567202280Nah, that is pure delusion. The amount of effort to even extract all the numbers/multipliers is already way too high, let alone plug them into a calculator/spreadsheet to balance them. You're trying to teach people on how to build their own car instead of just giving them a model to download for free. The advice should just be "go to the top 100 leaderboard and just rip a preset". You don't need external tools or data and it takes 1 minute of low effort for a good enough result
>>567202475no, the screen that shows all your pots mid run doesn't tell you which one you are missing, you will have to rely on knowing their names
>>567202827>rip a preset and then wonder why you are dealing no damage
>>567202280After seeing how much effort it takes pros like Maygi and GuitarRock to make semi decent builds every time a new unit comes out... Yeah no, no one gonna bother with allat :crying:
>>567202827> go to the top 100 leaderboard and just rip a presetDon't forget to pull for max dupes of everything before doing this or you will be dissapointed.
>>567203146>hurr you need to know how an engine works to start a car
>>567203161>pros like Maygi and GuitarRockThey literally DO NOT play the game! I do not give a FUCK what they say or think!
>>567202827>bro is malding about someone explaining damage multipliersWhy are some people in this thread act so fucking schizo about people treating this game like a game and engaging with its mechanics?
>>567199620The thing with SS is that it looks good in paper. You have different elements and trekkers that have different kits depending on their position. You'd think that this will make the game more fun and flexible because there's so many options but in reality most of those options suck and the game is actually pretty rigid when it comes to team building.>I mean, the moment we have the classic 6 elements mechanics, this what all team building would be about, its always like this, so I feel its unfair to critize this as a solely stella sora problemI was playing Brown Dust 2 before SS. Like this game, it also revolves around team building + elemental damage. I find that BD2 is much more flexible. For example, there are bosses and challenges that are more susceptible to a certain type of strategy. Some characters work better for a certain boss because of their kit or the way they attack. It's not just a case of use your strongest DPS that this boss is elementally weak to. In SS, it's just raw damage. There's no boss here that incentivizes or punishes you if you fight in a certain way.
>>567202406Hitting 120 is worse than winning the coinflip though.
>>567203558>he is too autistic to understand how his autism is off-putting for 99% of playersYes, that is a common hurdle of having autism. I am genuinely sorry for you
>>567202468Yostar is stupid themselves for not better advertising that the 5* rate is a very high 2% compared to like 0.67% of hoyogames or whatever
>>567203842Actually hitting 120 is better than winning a coinflipThink for a second about how it actually plays out
>>567203867I'm genuinely sorry for you seething at people engaging with gameplay on the most basic level on the board about video games in the thread about a video game.
>>567203620It's the release schedule. We just don't have a lot of characters and we never will compared to most gacha.
>>567204283>engaging with gameplay on the most basic levelI am genuinely sorry that your autism is this powerful to think that this
>>567204557Yes, knowing what buffs/debuffs are stronger and more important to focus is the most basic level of gameplay in a game like this. You don't need to know any math for it or have some deep knowledge of the gameplay systems, a literal child can learn this.
>get the character at 120
>>567204930Ok, explain your thought process and logistics of planning out a Otoha record. Show me how all of the buffs and debuffs balance out, and where you tally them up. How does build 1 compare to build 2? Show me your work without using a calculator or spreadsheet. Go ahead, this should be very basic, right?
>>567178000Give me more healing please
pedoslop
More like daughterlove
Evil women get what they fucking deserve
>>567205765
Nothing against Lolis but Firefly leaning too much into ToddIercon for my liking, Im sticking to Donner
>>567205870Indeed feagin got what she deserved
>>567206032Firefly isn't meant to be lewded, she LITERALLY is your daughter.Donner is supposed to be bred into submission, though.
how strong would firefly be if her pots worked or when does it become acceptable ? as a baseline nazuka hit around 60% otoha 30% then we have xlaru and spring coronis just being supports, I doubt it would improve much.
>>567205476You picked the funniest example, lmao.First, you pick 2 team umbra dmg pots because it's the most important buff to have, then the umbra dmg taken pot because it's the most important debuff. Umbra dmg taken pot is used by the rain build, so you pick pinks and rare for that branch. Boom, you ended up with her current most meta build without calculating anything, just from the knowledge about multipliers alone.
Why do they bring their entire room with them
>>567206446>just pick X, it's the most important, trust me bro>didn't answer how build 1 compares to build 2 at allAh, so you are both autistic AND retarded. I am very sorry to hear that
>>567205476kek ok here you goyou can do this in your headit's called object permanence
>>567207043Because they can.You're saying you're not able to do that?Pfft... powerless Maous, I swear...
>>567207043In case maou needs sex
I do not believe you niggas just read through the potentials and immediately know which ones are optimal
>>567207059>trust me broand who do you trust then?
>>567207287holy autism
>>567207059It's so ironic of you to say this when you're the one acting like a complete autist sperg right now. Autistically demanding calculations and comparisons when we the whole topic of this discussion was the most basic understanding of gameplay effects without being autistic about it.
>>567207574>it's so basic bro, even a child can do it>ok show me>HOW DARE YOU MAKE DEMANDSRetardbro, I literally said>>567205476>without using a calculator or spreadsheet
>>567207461It's called experience from games that use similar calculationsironically, ever played disgaea?the disgaea-inspired allegations are not getting beaten
>>567207287ok, so is build 1 or build 2 better, and by how much?
>>567206032Stop resisting her allure. Donna will never look at you the way Firefly looks at you.
>>567207729>ok show me on this character >ok here's a basic example >noooooo give me a long autistic explanation, so I could say it's autistic waaaahYou're such a fucking autist actually, was it a projection.
>>567208016>it's basic, trust me>could not explain his position at allyeah, I think I'll just accept your concession now
>>567208145I explained it perfectly, you're just too autistic to accept a simple answer except of someone engaging with your autistic demands.
>>567207287I agree with the other anon, this is autistic as fuck and no one is going to do this shit aside from esportsfags aiming for like top 20 on the day that the new unit comes out. Everyone else just waits for guides or copies leaderboard buildst. discordtranny that has contact with a lot of casuals
>>567207737JIYUE MENTION!
>>567207737>ever played disgaeanot beating the autism allegations here
>>567207461Most of the generic builds in this game are unironically braindead. When yostar doesn't fuck up with unintended shit, the first proper builds people play unusually end up being the final builds. And some characters don't even have multiple viable builds, it's like aoe/boss or even playable/dogshit.
I wait for the Zilelntz video and then pretend like I knew the proper potentials the whole time
>>567207287>Rain-woven Sorrow is not situational, the 80% speed reduction is required to maximize damage against bosses>Murmur of Annihilation is required to maximize team damage. It is a must since Firenze is the one dealing 60+% of the damage>Devouring Shadow is a must because it maximizes team damage and grants def pen along with Evening Rain and Ripple of ShadowYou're a dumbass
>>567207461>read through the potentialsliterally no one in the thread does this except for this one autistic fag here lmao
>>567207895Build 2 is far better because it significantly helps your third trekkerBuild 1 is only if Otoha is the main dish dealerThere's an argument for a mixed build though, otoha's kit is more flexible due to being a dps/buffer
>>567207043No idea but I have been dissuaded from ever buying a skin again, this is extremely triggering.
>>567209263What's wrong with it? We already know Cheeto carries all that shit with her in her magical futon roll.
>>567208997actually forgot about the movement down thing, 1 is enough though"mid" means that is not bad but depends on how the pots of your supporterthere's little difference betwen good and must though
>>567209089So is it better for Otoha to be a support or the dps? How do they compare?
>>567206385Ngl, I could be wrong, but Firefly's future looks rather grim from the current perspective. From the way Shiafags use her now, you could just play future 5* support+Tilia over her without any downside. Her glimmer build needs to be that much better to make the difference, or she's just a skip in the long run.
>>567209089>>567207287Since it seems like you know what you are talking about, is Chitose AA or skill build better?
>>567207043actual answer is that JEWstar doesn't wanna make a sprite for the 3D skins on top of the actual 3D model and live2d wallpaper
>>567209681I skipped Shia and pulled Firefly and will be skipping Shia's rerun tooI am disappointed in how she plays but I do not have regrets, if anything I might keep pulling for a dupe or two just because
>>567209812ironically, minova does have a standing sprite exactly because her skin is getting a nova times
>>567209864Yeah you're very clearly a retard butt thanks for sharing
>>567202468>>567204089>open gacha details>first thing you see is this, which reminds hoyoniggers of the 50/50>hurr why can you lose 50/50 more than once?>no mention of the high 2% 5* rate; it is hidden WAY at the bottom in fine printYeah, Yostar deserves to financially suffer for this top tier retardation
>>567209773i invested in AA build, both seem to perform similar, you need to feed her AA build Water DMG+ (Donna) and inflict Water debuff (also donna) then pump cheeto's attack speed (teresa)haven't looked at skill yether disc does help her skill build more though, the second melody skill is the coveted elite dmg+% special multiplier
>>567210247>both seem to perform similarI thought you could tell which is better just by reading the buffs and debuffs and balancing the multipliers? You need to make the build and use it to evaluate now?
>>567210818Yeah i can, and i said that i haven't read the skill build in detail yet. Don't need to because i already invested in AA and it paid off.
>Firefly is skippable >new terra girl doesn't do marks and is skippable >Chaton is a skippable side grade to FuyukaMy jims replenishment arc is here, I can feel it
>>567211097It sounds like reading the skill build "in detail" takes quite some effort then, huh!
>>567209812Doesn't cheeto have a sprite for her skin? I thought it was used in the story somewhere
And just to illustrate the thing about multipliers here's why the T5 Fuyubillions ult build works the way it does.The Firenzillions ult build also follows the same concept.
>>567209969Same for Misty
https://x.com/Na2m_ican/status/2055714948769284429
Realistically, how much are yostar aware of people opinion?
>>567211709They all have standing sprites, it's just that the devs don't wanna use 'em for ascension for some reason, the same happens to Nanoha.
>>567214105Depends on which opinion
>>567214105That's a good point, being aware and caring about are two different things.Who knows
>>567211296>meta this>meta that>not pulling for cute or dick reasonsI'm afraid you're terminally gay
>>567214105They already know that people want lolis
>>567214296gerie's doesn't have it, nazuka's doesn't have it
>>567214595They don't? I could swear they do, colour me surprised, then
>>567214539Bold of you to assume they'll do more after Flopfly lil bro...
>>567214105Opinions of EN? Probably don't care much. Jap opinions? They are definitely paying attention.
Nazuka would BETRAY AND ABANDON her long time friends for Maou cock
>>567214827The fuck does that Sink want now?Go away.
>>567214814I don't think they stay on twitter to read their tweets .. are they?
>>567215012i'm sure they read the tweets with the japanese tag
>>567214105 The entire point of the monthly surveys is to gauge player sentiment, if you think they're unaware you're literally a moron. They've had months of feedback already and chose to ignore all of it.
>>567215303had they ignored they wouldn't have nerfed by balatro mode
+5 izzat
I'm curious about the reworked chapter 3, why they did it and will they do that again
>>567214105Clearly they arent, since they still haven't listened to the masses wanting Nyx to finally be playable already...
>>567215447what we got instead was better, beta chapter 3 was chapter 3 and 4 on a rush jobthey probably rewrote some later things, yes, most likely
>>567215542Nyx is not a loli.
>>567215447I'm willing to bet they didn't have a "gf-core" character which is one guaranteed way of success no matter what, so they made Chapter 3 focus on everyone but Nazuka and Chapter 4 focus solely on Nazuka to sell her with even higher odds of success.
>>567215542>the masses wanting Nyx to finally be playable alreadyI have NEVER seen anyone ask Yostar to make Nyx playable, lmao. Not on JP Xitter and not on the common Gook public spaces.
>>567215869do an advanced search for the day that chapter 6 part 2 released
Post Haste Special Delivery: Reset!
reset cat
>7 months in>no brocchi in the story ever
>>567216565>brocchi gets released>the entire game surrenders to her jewish behavior
>>567206032Hotaru is a kidTonna is for making kids
>>567216982You're getting FAS babies out of Donna
>>567216320*post smooch*>>567216323*smack* *rape*
For being a waifu game this general has a weird fixation with pregnancy above most.
>>567217332>general male audience wanna get married to a girl and impregnate herNothing weird about that
>>567217332Something about this game's art makes the characters look majorly fertile, moreso than other gachas
>>567210037Nah I just only pull for thin and/or cunny, fuck metapulling
>>567217332It's because they are normal humans and their background is open ended enough where is easy to come up with a scenario where you take them and settle down with them while partaking in the ordinary novian daily life.
Quick, someone post the Donnahole
>>567219385
laru rerun when?
>>567218965Maou is also kind of a hobo not confined to a building, organization or base. It makes thing easier.
>>567219750Next Larumas
>>567199426you really should not care about competition in non pvp games, especially ones that can facilitate p2w
deyui firefly status?
>>567220869 deyui posted her otoha at the end of the patch an also drew the chitose illus for chapter 7
I maou-chan old news?
https://x.com/Beroromu/status/2055752329253831129
>>567221690Yes.Maou-kun game now.
Ok so when are they going to release an ignis vanguard that doesn't make my ears bleed?
Don' be rude to fuyu
>>567222445Just for this I hope Chaton's voice is incredibly high pitched and annoying.
>>5672224455 weeks and a half from now on
I always feel weird trying to roll charge eff on supports, because I know I can randomly roll pen and start seething.
>>567220869
>>567215542>>567215869Unironically ive seen jp people wanting darcia, one tweet was funny because he was unironically losing it
>>567223272It's not just the voice, but also the annoying "O-O-OH M-M-MAI G-G-GOTTO I-I-I'M S-S-SO A-A-ANXIOUS E-E-EEEEEHHHHH" mannerisms. Chaton looks pretty cool and confident
>>567223852Yeah I've seen people ask for Darcia, Bastelina (who doesn't lmao), the Chink duo (Jiyue more than the other), Eleanor, and a few other NPCs.
>>567223272>>567223939Chaton will 100% be a chuuni, so there is no chance she will be annoying like Fuyufailure. There were already CBT leaks from way back and we already know what her CN voice sounds like
>>567215303Was there a survey last month?
>>567225572We had one at the start of the month and one back in March iirc
POST
>>567226362menopause
>>567226362WAIST
>>567226940yummy
>>567226362Chaste!
>>567226362Baste!
>>567229370
>>567230802Literally me
I know a lot of people are satisfied with how "hands off" this game is, but I always end up disappointed when I log off because I like the game and just want to keep playing. Considering that we're an auto battler, realistically, what can they do to make this more replayable?
I haven't tried but is it hard to get 5 maxed pots(32) for a support?
>>567233815Probably just make a more streamlined version of Ascension that's for gameplay only. The bosses are actually pretty fun to fight, it's just that we explode them before seeing all the cool tricks they can do. Add the cards from Cataclysm and items that give other attack effects and change how the game is played.
>>567233815Give us procedurally generated, Link to the Past-style dungeons with puzzles and shit instead of just combat rooms
>>567233815Improved Cataclysm Survivor is the easiest option. The infrastructure is already there with the skill tree and the destiny cards, they're just basic and the enemies are too weak. Reworking the cards, scaling the difficulty, and adding more rounds would require the least effort on their part to make enjoyable and replayable.
>>567233815I was too lazy to type it out earlier in a lot of detail, but pretty much >>567235723CS has the most potential by far without causing issues. Ascension will get flak from people complaining about length if it gets expanded on since it's already very mandatory.
>>5672343545 maxed potentials on both supports or just one? If its both you're going to have an awful time. I aim to max out 4 support potentials each on all of my presets and the rng hardly ever lets me max them out reliably.
>>567226617kek
>>567233815this is more modern gacha player mindset more than being forgiving about mediocrity reallyi have played too many gacha (and live service grind games) that i am past valuing a gacha game as a game rather than valuing it as a medium for a story, fandom, culture, characters to get off to and collect. If want to play a game i just boot the indies in my desktop.the very reason i installed this "game" was so i could get invested in a story and characters again, so far it's doing an ok job in keeping me interested
we are so dead
>>567233815>I know a lot of people are satisfied with how "hands off" this game isYes, I do
My superweapon is so vulnerable and portable.
>>567242276Ruffling Firefly's hair relentlessly until she eats her carrots
>>567242276sexy daughter
All the content greedstar are releasing is shit they already had in advance, they already fired their devs and stopped development of the game and as soon as they run out of prepackaged content they will immediately announce EoS. This could realistically happen any day now looking at the absolutely pathetic half anni that offered nothing but new cash shop deals. Instead of wasting dev hours trying to fix the sinking ship they decided to rob the players of as much money as they can before disappearing. They dont care if doing this will permanently scar their reputation since the game hugely flopping has done that already.
>>567242813but you said that the budget put into the game is paper thin so with that logic the game is turning a profit from doing nothing
hmm nyoo
Holy fucking yap. 5 words or less please.
It's always the same picture with the same wavelength of fucking dogshit opinionshttps://arch.b4k.dev/vg/search/image/1mrE-9ajgLA1_BTyrpYpaw/Just filter this nigger and move on
>>567243303I would assume most talk about Yostar is by this guy.
>>567242276Has she suffered enough?
>Firefly introduces new Lucent and Glimmer debuffs that can't be used yet>devs confirm it's intentional>Firefly signature disc buffs the main trekker through "sync rate" buff>they're all crit-focused buffs*inhales huge dose of copium* Calling it now. Summer Canace is going to be Lux and pair perfectly with Firefly. She's going to be Fuyuker levels of crit malding and beat Shia in damage.
>>567244576Dunno if it's gonna be a Canace alt, but it's a pretty safe bet to assume whoever gets released as Lux's next vanguard is gonna be extremely fucking broken.
Trekkers for the feel of making a dinner so fucking spicy that you're sweating harder than any gym session you've ever been to in your entire life
>>567245456Chinese miku
>>567245456Think you for picking Chinese Miku as your waifu.
>>567245456ChixiaBecome the anal dragon
>>567245456eeeh, 35% ULT/Skill Crit DMG at level 5 is pretty low, you are realistically only ever seeing this skill at level 2 or 3 unless they buff note acquisition.This disc however gives a 30% damage increase to versatiles on the field (so it's dead on characters like jingling support who go away as soon as you cast the skill), i haven't rolled but i'm assuming it works on the main trekker as well, which as a main disc, a 45% (+15% from sub stat) Ele DMG% on versatiles by doing nothing is pretty goodIt's confirming more and more my theory that eventually we will have a versatile-versatile-support meta period
>>567246543oopsie >>567244576
Is Firefly worth pulling in advance for this incoming super broking Lux vanguard? Or is she still a certified skip?
>>567246873Just don't pull gacha discs and you can pull every trekker f2p
Can't wait to laugh at you fags in 6 months when firefly actually feels fun to play
>>567246873Its a gamble anon, we know its coming and that Firefly is meant to combo well with this hypotetical lux vanguard, but at the end of the day we dont know if it is worthy until the other unit is here, what if the kit of this future unit is shit, or her numbers are shit, that even with Firefly as support it doesnt deliver? Or what if the units is busted and just get better with Firefly? We dont know, so you decide if you wanna gamble for a lux team.
>>567247631a trekker can only be "fun" to play or not if it's in the main position
Which trekker would you want to get drunk as fuck with, for me it's Donna
>>567247916This is kinda one of the aspect that bums out of the teambulding, this is why more Vanguard are soo needed, unless they either A: start treating versatile as the name implies and make them more flexible or just change the name to rearguard already, or B: do more units like Fressia that can stay long times in the field if they arent vanguards and a way for you to control them more or sync their attacks with the vanguardTalking about fun to play, I have yet to find a unit with a more satisfiying transition from dashing and running than Firenze.
Do we tell her or is it time to make Firefly into a woman?
>>567248357Vanguards are just mark poppers, that's the only mechanic they care about. More combinations will arise when supports release, they will of course have a direction in mind with every new support released, and i'm sure we will see the rise of more support main teams with vanguards as backlines.Shia for example has a 120% crit DMG team buff that is waiting to be broken open
UUUOOOOOHHHH CORRECTING FIREFLY
>>567248986I wanna see the umbra minion team to finally take off! Soo many umbra disc that care about minions the archetype is still undercooked
>>567248986>120% crit DMG >>567244576>Summer Canace is going to be Lux and pair perfectly with Firefly. She's going to be Fuyuker levels of crit malding and beat Shia in damage.*copium intensifies*
>>567249271tilia is still better
>>567248285Gerie, but I wonder if she can even get Drunk or if being so strong also gives her alcohol tolerance
>>567249181The only way to make this work would be making buffs to minions more permament. Cosette can't do it since all her buffs are timed and only work when the minions are out. If Aeloria wants to do it then it would just have to have careful wording, "Increases party's minion damage" is a start but something more like, "When any Umbra squad member summons a minion increases that minions attack by X%"
>teenagerBros??? Our response???
https://x.com/mu_uii/status/2055825984587444333
>>567249858The translation is so bad
>>567249858Novian years are half as long as our years.
>>567248357Versatiles are really getting the short end in a team building sense. There's viable reasons to use supports on either main or backline, and vanguards do just as much damage on the backline as they do on main. Versatiles are shit on main with no exceptions. They're just worse vanguards. What would make them truly "versatile" is if on main they had one build that could "apply marks", and one build that could "trigger" them. Then you could play double support or double vanguard.
>>567250037So Firefly is 18 (and legal) in Novian years? UUOOOHHH ToT
>>567249858Misha needs to put her glasses
>>567249858hebegealways was
>>567250037So Otoha is actually 134 years old, huh.
>>567250657That's still young and ripe
>>567250657Do you see a 2nd tail?She's still a kid in Kitsune years.
>>567250657UOOOOHHH DINOSAURS...EROTIC
>>567250734Get off Novachan, Otoha.
>>567250657she's merely a teenager fox girl
>>567250657Doesn't look a year over 40
that’s the cutest thing I’ve ever seen
>>567251154that's the sexiest thing I have ever seen
will nazuka ever be allowed to be happy?
Do you guys play any side games or other things that aren't stella sora?Been bored out of my fucking mind lately and was wondering how my fellow anons deal with the ennui that comes with daily life
>>567252702on my pc? normal gameson my phone? non gacha like buriedbornes, dugeon maker, bistro heroes
>>567252702I play Payday, The Bazaar, CS, Deadlock, Eternal Return, Rabbit & Steel, Strinova, etc.I can dedicate as little time to this game as possible then keep on about my day as per usual, only spending time when something new comes up every 2 or 3 weeks.I fucking love Stella Sora.
>>567252702Gacha games are just my bonsai. I sprinkle that in with real games, usually just rando roguelikes, lately Everything is Crab has been my obsession.
>>567252702for other gachas, just arknights, for other games, well been replaying Yggdra Union, some elden ring, halo with mods and depending if some friends want to play, Helldivers.
>>567252702I mostly play indies, retro games, and gachas
>>567252702I only play Stella Sora and Uma Musume
while we're on this topic, should I play NTE or endfield?
>>567253593>>567253368>>567253358>>567252913Curious that no one mentioned Hades when I remember a lot of comparisons or mentions about that game before
>>567254015Hades came out a while ago and it only has so much replayability.
Should I play Stella Sora in 2026?
>>567252702There's shitloads of games both paid and f2p nowadays all of decent quality. Most genres have decent indie games that can scratch whatever itch you might have for a few hours. In terms of f2p games, there's also good options, though much narrower in genres. Roguelikes have hundreds of f2p games if you can stomach the graphics and most of them being unfinished, each of them can take a dozen or more hours to beat it once.You can also get into emulation, ps2 era and older should be fully emulatable and I highly doubt most people have played through all the classics, never mind the cult classics. Though I haven't touch that in forever so I don't know where you can get the ROMs.In this day and age, we are honestly pretty spoiled for choice.>>567253819NTE is more about exploring things and getting into wacky shit, Endfield is kind of boring since the factory shit is much more limited in space and resources than a typical factory game and it's exploration just isn't that fun.NTE likes putting in weird shit here and there so exploring feels novel, while Endfield's exploration is pretty 'what you see is what you get'.
>>567254015i don't think anyone here played this game because they are hades fans or something
>>567252702 ... For me I either do Terraria or this stupid grindy shit permadeath mmorpgOnly doing the story on Limbus and Stella Sora, and do the bare minimum of grinding some matsSometime I replay GTA IV or play some singleplayer story
>>567254569Deep kissing Fuyu
>>567254569Deep thrusting into Fuyu
https://x.com/StellaSoraJP/status/2055845772218999186
>>567254378What I liked about endfield is the amount of characters with petite builds. Characters with slender builds or smaller chests are actually so fucking rare in this era of Chinese games and when one comes out then they're absolute dogshit so it is nice to see a game that remembers that not every female to walk this earth has massive mammaries.
>>567254015I beat the original Hades way back when it was in beta, but never really bothered to play it's full release. My brother bought Hades 2 so I have it in family share, but I never bothered starting it up.Hades is mechanically and narratively well done, but it feels too generic? Despite how polished the game is, it just doesn't feel like it's trying.I've played Supergiant Games' previous games, and Hades feels like a by the books product designed to earn money where as Bastion, Transistor, and especially Pyre tried to be it's own thing. Yes, I know Pyre flopped.
>>567254279yes
>>567255079>My brother bought Hades 2 so I have it in family share, but I never bothered starting it up.You should start it up, it's pretty fun honestly. If you're into roguelikes then I would suggest games like Slay the Spire or Chrono Ark too that are also very fun.
More and More people are joining the darcia church
>>567249908Reisu love!
>>567255250I want Darcia but loli
>>567255948>i want [character] but lolishow me a character that this wouldn't apply to
>>567254279no you shouldn't. Matilda isn't playable yet.
>>567256117I don't think I'd want Faegin even if she was a loli if that counts
>>567256117Anzu because she's already a loli
>>567256186Karin and Matilda are my carrots on a stick so far, i don't like Bastelina i think her sprite looks bad and she pisses me off as character, which i think it's intended but still.
>>567254279No, Nazuka is my girlfriend and mine only.Go away.
>nazukadev they said>ch. 7 is nazuka torture porn>chitose gets the real spotlightshe was done so dirty it's not even funny
Thoughts on the prophecy at the end of ch7? Why is there an Emperor and a Devil Emperor? I thought it might be Tyrant but if so then does that mean we have an imposter out there? Does withdrawing grace mean what I think it means and everyone's gonna lose all their magic?
How's everyone's firebrick doing?
>>567257348>the emperor withdraws their gracewhen maou reached the gates of emor 1000 years ago to challgenge the grace imperium it said that their grace got stripped clean in an instant and were defeatedch. 1, the very first node
>>567257348>dividing the power of deathMaou-chan's gonna distribute AK-47s to her army
>>567257493My Fuyu is not a brick
>>567257562So there's a possibility that in the future we'll learn to use magic like the Bayan, right?
>>567258156More like the God of Grace was Maou's subordinate or equal in a pantheon of deities.
>>567252702Of course. Mainly ZZZ and PoE2.
>>567258156Whenever Vita stops being a fucking bitch
Level 66 to 67 took 33100 affinity. 67 to 68 took 34100. 68 to 69 took 35100. Now 69 to 70 takes 36200.
>>56725865769ing with Minova
>>567258657stay strong minova bro
>>567257348CN uses 悪魔之王, while JP uses just 悪夢の王 for Devil EmperorCN uses 上主, while JP uses just 主 for EmperorSo it's clear that they are meant to be different in the other languages.I'm also pretty sure that although 主 just means lord/master/host, it's also pretty commonly used to refer to the christian god, a direct translation of the Lord.
>>567258657>69 soulmatenice
>>567259615Japanese is the only one that adds the word nightmare to the name?
>>567260305Yup
>>567252702poe1, poe2, torchlight infintie
>>567215869https://x.com/CrossX_0224/status/2055865284297376233
>>567260838new poe free weekend when
>>567258843God, imagine Minova blushing while asking Maou-kun to practice all the shit she reads on her mangas/doujins with her.Peak stuff
>>567261067>Literally 15 minutes agoStop shitposting on JP xitter, Maou
>>567261178there should be one when 0.5 startsmay 29 iirc
ss should have been a poe clone
but instead of poe we got poo
>>567261540No.
>>567261189Best part is it's not that crazy.
>>567261540Ew
>>567261597If this game ever gets a Manga, I NEED it to come out in Novian first and foremost
Does anyone remember the name of this top down instanced Korean arpg mmo where you could play as this loli that used an inflatable(?) dolphin for water attack moves? I think it released around 2015 or so?
>>567262914Is this's Anne's fox's final form?
>>567263048jinglinbros...
>>567263113>jinglinbros>sthere is more than one?
>>567252702Yes, my hobby is archiving gacha gameplay
>>567263813in your opinion, what's the top 5 gacha game's gameplay?
In my opinion, Sapphire should get released before the end of the year, alongside Ruby, both in the same patch and both being 5*
>>567264189That depends on what kind of gameplay you like... it's like asking who is the best girl in Stella Sora, everyone will have their preferences.
>>567264406that's why I said in your opinion
>>567264351>ruby>her support skill is just showing up and doing the UH chant, giving the main trekker buffsmake it happen yostar
>>567265017>restored timeline>we redeem darcia>meaning the intelligent plants werent fully scrapped>ruby now has 2 cheerleaders plants that buffs the trekkers as she dances. MAKE IT HAPPEN.
>>567264459Oh right... I don't really know. My brain just draws a blank. Gameplay isn't that important to me and it becomes tedious over time no matter what it is
>>567264351Ruby and Sapphire will make great additions to the next wave of standard 4 stars!
>>567263813I've made some recordings and screenshots of so much shit over the years. Not pictured is when I played Sid Story and Valkyrie Crusade in 2015 to 2017. Fuck VC but I'd fuck Fenrir any day.
>>567266241>VCdamn, first gacha I ever tried and I didn't even realize it at the time.
i wish there was more to do in this game
I quit during the hagpocalypse, is it worth coming back?
>>567267686Nope. They're going to keep pushing hags into EOS.
>>567267686were you enjoying the game if you separate the fact that they were releasing characters you didn't like? If so, sure. otherwise don't bother.
>>567267686What non-hag games have you been playing in the meantime?
>>567267686 firefly is cute
>>567267060SEX WITH HAGS AAAA
>>567267686>HagpocalypseMore like hagnirvana!
Otoha is easily the hottest trekker so far. I'm afraid this cannot be argued.
>>567267060She's not that big
>>567267686not really, it's still the same game and firefly isn't even that good
>>567267060uhh why is my brain unable to identify who this is
>>567271815I think she was that big. She had big tits.
>>567272159>firefly isn't even that goodshes literally the worst limited in the game
>>567272463I was being nice
https://x.com/saikarurux2/status/2055918259652997446/
I haven't rolled for Hotaru yet or read her story, is she that bad?
>>567273107She's not bad, but she's giga mid. At least with her build 2, maybe lucent build is where it is for her, but we can't play it now.
>>567273107 If future VG bad then I have a cute brick
>>567273107I really enjoyed her story and I like her design a lot, but whoever is in charge of gameplay and kit design have no idea that they're killing the game. I'm done pulling for versatiles. A broken vanguard is all that you need.
>>567271815Not that big but she was pretty big.
https://x.com/mug4_/status/2055919313480282405
https://x.com/ringototamago_/status/2055922459887775796
>>567206032Falseflaggot
Stella Sora is underrated, it is a hidden gem
Powerful image
>>567274768Nah, I fuck heavy with Donner and Matilda is gonna be my next wife as soon as she drops, Mommy types in smol bodies are actual peak
https://x.com/4Chocobon/status/2055844307182178398Valid crashout
>>567275401and also unpolished
https://x.com/StellaSoraEN/status/2055936364038992117
>>567275949Ahoges are too powerful
>>567275949they really need to click this fucking button for text
>>567275949Did people really not understand this from her sprites that the devs had to come out and explicitly explain it? Im scared of these people's comprehension levels
>>567277659you really think that was the point of the page? not the cute firefly expressions and the joke in the last panel?
>>567277659the jp comic is the same
>>567277659Bro the joke of this comic is that Maou is also unknowingly 1 to 1 like this with her ahoge. How the fuck are you complaining about comprehension levels while being like this, you can't make this shit up.
>>567277659>Im scared of these people's comprehension levelsright back at you anon
>weak bait post into doing 3 self-repliesgame is so dead
>>567279163retard
It's Saturday night, why are we so dead? Everyone out partying or what?
>>567279298retard
>>567275607For having a motherly vibe she looks like she won't survive child birth
https://x.com/SIM_DR1/status/2055966657965883892
>>567282658Me on the left
Who is next after Shia rerun? I'm not interested with the wheelchair girl.
>>567283458chaton
>>567283458Fuyuka comes next in the rerun banners.
>>567282658a woman denied her happiness
>>567283458>not interested with the wheelchair girlyea, I feel we’re going to be hearing that a lot in two weeks
>>567282658Even if I die 99 times, I'll try 100 times, over and over again, until happiness with my Nazukawife has been 100% achieved.
>>567275949Confirmed that Daughterfly is Maouchan coded
How long is the event story, under two hours?
>>567287019yes, it's short
>>567268773Not that guy but I have been enjoying a fair bit of non-hag games and dropped stuff that goes full titty.Life's too short to spend it on kuso games.
https://x.com/Longi_LNG/status/2055982986928259276
>>567286263People were saying the same shit about Otoha, and then she released and the gilf fox fuckers rose up
>donna was pretty mid>firefly is basically just badgameplay devs hate the cunnies?
>>567288245>make all the characters people want bad>make all the hags must pullsPretty smart of them desu
Sex with cripples
>>567288245>Donna midDonna basically saved Aqua as an element, lmao >Firefly badThis will be pretty funny to look at when Lux gets its second Vanguard released and Firefly makes it out to be the best element by far and wide, it's not like Umbra went through the same thing with weird "Marks" before, not at all.
>>567288245I mean, have you seen the power level of the average hag in this game? Aside from like 3 exceptions, they also range from mid to bad and need buffs desperately
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TWOWC1An7wIt's out
>>567289045>Donna basically saved Aqua as an element, lmaoYour Freesia, retardbro? Donna carry was literally the worst team of any element before the Chitose buffs
>>567289470oh so the next terra vanguard will be the last one to complete the full vanguard/versatile limitedswonder if we'll start getting supports after or if they're gonna go with supports being 4* only (except Nazuna) or somethingdon't think chaton is support
>>567289045>This will be pretty funny to look at when Lux gets its second Vanguard released and Firefly makes it out to be the best element by far and wideYou know that would mean the other elements that were already better will get better shit too, right?
>>567289861Calling it now, no 5* supports till at least 1st anniThey might drop that leaked 4* support somewhere along the way tho
>>567289045>she's not bad, you just need to pull her now and then wait 6 months for the next unit to activate herLol
>>567289045>Umbra went through the same thing with weird "Marks"Explain?
>>567290326otoha also has a pot that is useless unless she or coronis are main
>>567290195Meet Potential Girl
>>567289861xlaru and otoha kinda shouldn't count
>>567290384The difference is that Otoha is already good *today*
>>567290384That pot works if the enemy is just marked, you don't really need the proc.
>>567290612nope
>>567275476The strongest trekker of history vs the strongest trekker of today.
I agree, random Jap dude
>>567290982I'm pretty sure this pot is meant for her frontline build even if it's technically universal. You're never going to pick it on her backline ult build even if it's enabled.
>>567291398unless...a new versatile that has good team buffs while also being in the main slot releases...
>>567291506You're still not going to pick it. It's specifically for her ult, not a general ult damage buff. And her ult build scales from the laser ult damage, not the actual ult.
>>567291506Both Otoha builds are already good right now. Firefly's entire build 1 is just non functional right now
What's most amusing to me is how Terrafags will immediately jump on the Vanguard girl during release to discredit her as shit compared to the current Gerie team. They won't look at or treat her as having potential to be better in the future like Firefly because they're so brainwashed into thinking the current Mark team is too OP to ever be replaced.
>>567292008The new terra vanguard is guaranteed to be a better backliner vanguard than gerie, that synergizes better with the mark meme, you just watch
>>567292008>Terrafags will immediately jump on the Vanguard girl during release to discredit her as shit compared to the current Gerie teamProofs?
Terra Mark build was a massive mistake and I'm gonna be elated once it's relegated to tier B at best then gone.
>>567292008Don't say it like she won't have the mark memes as well before we see her kit. They were already retarded enough to give it to Macaronis instead of trying to bury it, I can see her also being a mark meme upgrade.
>>567292129Shit you're right. I can already see her fat lazy ass wheeling around on the feel and shooting the boss to pop marks.
Imagine if she has self buff mark damage in the front like Jingler, so you don't have to meme from the back anymore
It still baffles me that only Terra has a 5* Support.When the FUCK are the other elements getting theirs?
i need a khk gf
>>567293601Every gacha does this tbf, supports always lead to the biggest powercreeps so theyre always kept till after a bunch of dps dropped
>>567294845(me)*powerspikes, not powercreep, Fuyuka moment
fuyumoment
Fuyu? Tarded.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StellaSora/comments/1tfpxt4/wraith_milk_production_and_breast_calculation/
I need Fuyufent
>>567295147Ok but what about Fuyu's MIlk production?
Nobody asked fuyuka to be here.
Fuyuka needs to be here
I Refuyuse
>Fuyunakadashi Fuyuka!>Fuyuimpregnate Fuyuka!>Fuyucheat on Fuyuka with Nazu*a!>Fuyubail on Fuyuka!
>>567298908>It was all a futunightmare
where will fuyuka go after eos
>>567300501Into our hearts
>>567300501private servers
In a perfect world, Fuyu would not exist.
>>567300708Metaphorically or we talking some kingdom hearts shit here?
I need this Jannu clone
Next banner was the literal best opportunity to release Kaede
>>567301186Neither Nazuka, but here we are, dying 3 times because she wanted to match outfits with Maou.
>>567301315>Autumn themed character in the summer >best opportunity
>>567301936Nazuka was released on winter...
>>567295147This is insanely based.
>>567302015And nobody called that the best opportunity...
>>567301310cute jannu
How much do you like each trekker?How many would you marry?
Honestly them putting characters like Kaede and Nyx on hold would bother me less if it was because the story had already moved on past them and we were like in Chinkwank city smashint Chixia's dragon cunny, but no, we're still set for another half year of being United Harvest tag-ons (feat. Petal Bloom ), so like whats the hold up? Did we really NEED wheelchair girl we never heard of before right now?
>>567303003kiII all, marry Laru...
>>567303003We need a character sorter. With current NPCs.
>>567303003Wife tier: Firenze, Donna, Jinglin, NanohaGirlfriend tier: Nazuka, Caramel, Iris, Tilia, Nazuna, Freesia, MistiqueSex Friend tier: Laru, Flora, Amber, Noya, Ridge, Shia, Gerie, Wraith, ChitoseDaughter (that I fuck) tier: Firefly, Teresa, CosetteToo good for this world tier: Ann, FuyukaDead and forgotten tier: Coronis, Kasimira, Shimiao, Canace, Minova
>>567303003If it has a pulse and loves me, then anyone...
>>567303153Maybe because they both will have their own events or even chapters and it simply isn't their time yet? And why are you whining about her before even knowing what her deal is, maybe she was already mentioned as a character somewhere, just without a namedrop. We have a bunch of randoms hidden in different character stories, like the girl who made Fuyuka's gauntlets.
>>567303762DESPERATE TREKKERS IN YOUR VICINITY READY TO FUCK
>>567303153I think it will be important to come back to them. If we go back to Emor (which is guaranteed at some point) we get more Minova wank and introduce Nuevara (however you spell her name) and her sister. The same goes for Kaede and Nyx.
>>567303003too many
>>567304684>Vollara and Neuvirathese were demoted to NPC/ Minova's Ult cameos
>>567304896>demoted to NPCWow just like Kaede and Nyx. inb4 cope
That's not a nice thing to say about your elders, Firefly.
>>567303815i liked wraith despite being another out of the blue release, but that was then, the writing team will have to put real effort to make hagwheels as likeable, and even then not everyone liked wraith either
She will be promoted to playable.
>>567305490She will be promoted to onahole
>>567305181You are delusional if you think yostar will waste 6 weeks of Vollara and Neuvira banners and allocate weeks of writing stories around them, Kaede and Nyx have more chances and have had more prominent roles.I'm not too hopeful about Ruby and Sapphire either.
>>567305181Nyx leaked as playable before she even appeared. Kaede is uhhhhhhh...
>>567305490She reeks of free event 4* unit (which honestly would be welcome atp)
>>567305715They always could ship a 5*+4* banner all in one.Or say Fuck it and ship two 5* units together, this gacha is extremely generous, no reaason not to.>Not hopeful about Ruby and SapphireThey have a disc TBReleased, so they'll be playable, one way or another.
>>567305490Plapable*
>>567305490Truke
>>567305715What >>567305902 said. They're going to have to include 4* somehow and we already know they have Aobelle and Yolanda ready so why not drop double banners like that.
>>567305902yeah but when are we getting any new 4* at all?yolanda and aobelle have been datamined since release
>>567306130>yeah but when are we getting any new 4* at all?The same day we get new supports, so sometime this year or the next, just be patient.
>>567305490the more i look at her design the more erotic details i find
>>567305715>weeks of writing stories>"Oh no, we're back in Emor and somehow have to infiltrate the Grace Imperium! Minova help!">"Leave it to Vollara and Neuvira! Those two used to work in a chemistry lab within so and so there before X tragedy happened. They know their way inside and out of that place!"Wow, writing this story is so hard...
4* units are one thing, but I'm really interested in what is their plan with the new 4* discs. There are like 8 of them or so in the old leaks, but 4* discs are literally fucking worthless already, so what are they even waiting for.
>>567306650I would never let my fuyu dress like this
>>567306650Replacing or adding more of the four star discs from the shop. Eventually someone will buy them all and they will permanently be "out of stock" so the obvious solution would be to add more.
>>567306650I would not only let Fuyu dress like this but also rape her with said clothes on with her consent.
So T0 Hotaru (with sig) + T2 Minerva is enough to get me into plat. I expected worse, to be honest. The biggest downside is having to take Tillia away from the Earth team.
>>567307185chinkronis was made so tilia could be used in lux again bwo
>>567307293I skipped, too old and fat for me.
>>567306650Being saved for the inevitable new elements in a few years (same with the datamined leftover ascension monoliths)
Congrats your Fuyu is waiting a cute baby girl, what name are you giving to your fuyudaughter?
>>567307661Fuyuyu
>>567307661Fuyuko
>>567307661Nazuka.
>>567307661Fuyularva.
>>567307661Fuyuichi
>>567307185What the fuck. If you can get over 100k with standard banner minova on main, why can I barely manage 30k with my limited firefly on main. This shit sucks...
>>567308651post record, discs, emblems and anons will point you in the right direction
>>567308651Because he's not retarded and put Firefly in the back and you're an absolute fucking retard using her in the front. Also a sig, people really underestimate how much they increase your damage.
>>567307661maou brains with fuyu brawn could make a fearsome warrior, though there's the chance they inherit fuyutism.
>>567308940Then they should just write "fuck you" on all of her main potentials then. Surely they wasted dev time making the kit because they expected someone to use it.
>>567309253Bro, you can whine about it as much as you want and be justified, but you literally already know she doesn't work there, it won't change just because you placed her in the front anyway.
>>567308940>Also a sig, people really underestimate how much they increase your damage.Disctrannie crashing out again...
>>567308940i doubt the sig contributes that much, maybe 15 to 20k score
>>567309253>Surely they wasted dev time making the kit because they expected someone to use it, fail and go pull for 8 dupes and 12 sigs to fix herHere, fixed it for you.
>>567307661Fuyufu
https://x.com/yuki_TKF/status/2056017015341728038
>>567287264Any suggestions
>>567309253Did you just start playing? Literally all versatile units are complete dogshit in the main slot
>>567303434Alright here https://sortr.io/sorter/stella-sora-trekker-sorter-m3lns/sortIt's not perfect but I tried to add as many NPCs as possible.
>>567287264>>567310465Lets be real anon, we both know theres none
>>567310938Tough choices
>>567311370>A millenia year old foxor>A fertile, no more than 20 y/o girl failure ninjaTough choices indeed
>>567303003Absolute wife and onahole tier: Donna, Mistique, Nazuna, FireflyWife and onahole tier: Chixia, Jinglin, Teresa"I guess" tier: AnnPass tier: Amber, Caramel, Chitose, Cosette, Freesia, Fuyuka, Iris, Laru, Minova, Nanoha, Nazuka, Noya, Shimiao, TiliaHard pass tier: Canace, Flora, Kasimira"Fuck no" tier: Coronis, Firenze, Gerie, Otoha, Ridge, Shia, WraithNot including NPCs since I want to know more before giving a specific answer
>>567311370No, Imagine the threesome
>>567311632I know what you are
>>567310938Thanks anon. Was fun.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>567312026one is six feet under soo...
https://sortr.io/sorter/stella-sora-trekker-sorter-m3lns/sort
>>567312026What is this?
>>567312416Here >>567310938
the very second choice already stumps me
Not the results I expected but alas
Tough choices indeed.
>>567312662i know who you are, this is your call to return
>>567312756Angie vs Angie with a Gun
It seems like I added Angie twiceIt should be fixed now.
The one that were the hardest for me had to be>Darcia vs NoyaAnd>Noya vs Nazuka
The Shuo bondage scene made her shoot up in my rankings, she better be shown to have developed a masochistic streak when she releases
The hardest choices were between the top four.
>>567313775>inb4 she deals more damage the lower her health ishttps://youtu.be/b4p_ufgahgU?si=fBrnwSou0Izg0T-q&t=61
>>567310938Why no Monolith girls though?
>>5673150261- Not Trekkers2- I forgor
>>567153831I need the 3D models of Canace/CostumeChitose without their skirts for scientific purposes
>>567306650humanity needs slutty fuyu
>>567316986Sapphire because she wears lipstick, so she can leave some on my dick while giving me a blowjob.
FUCK
>>567311370Needs more NPCs. Matilda, Igna, monolith girls.I didn't know this site existed, that's neat.
>>567318271Sex vs sex
That was funI hate Bastelina
>>567319428
>>567318802Rare Florafag
>>567320687I think there's at least 2 of us here
>>567289861I didn't think people would care about wheelchair girl since she's coming out of nowhere but now I realize that literally everyone who cares about meta has to roll for that cripple to finish their Terra teams. Metafags might even max dupe her since it's the first complete 5* team and mark memes are gonna stay relevant for a long time.
>>567322391I will care because she cute + meganeko + the concept of a Wheelchair going around while smacking stellanoids and shit seems peak.
>>567322391The wheelchair will be for her animated bunny plushie which she pushes around everywhere and she's a total girlfailure weeb.
Nazuna was expired all along?
>>567314482If Shuo goes that far into masochism Bastelina's #1 spot is under attack
>>567322591that would be the best case scenario
>>567323446She just makes shit up to justify her lifestyle
>>567323446The fabled hag cunny....
>>567323446She's the same age as Nazuka
https://x.com/cnutake/status/2056064911286149571
I think it's her wheelchair, but I don't think she's actually a cripple. I think she's going to be an autistic tech genius who made it just to zoom around.
Important prediction, Shuo will be a vanguard who's all about getting hit as much as possible to do counter damage, her goal is to "collect" attacks rather than dodging them
>>567313775>>567325016I genuinely cannot wait to see her L2D
>>567322391we could deduce who the wheelchair is for based on the size of the 3D model, the rabbit is also legless, there a small bell to the side probably to call someone either of the two, the rabbit could be sentient, the girl could be a puppet master, there's a rabbit rocket with no launcher weaponwhat do you think
>>567325290Shuo deserves better
>>567325865True, she needs chains and vibrators in addition to the rope
>>567325473She and her rabbit have steampunk designs so she's an inventor. The armrests have tubes so the rockets probably launch out of them. I bet she summons the rabbit just like how Misty summons her ghost puppets and she made it mechanical arms so it could help her around.
>>567322391she cute
>>567327116>>567327117*smooch*
>>567327116>>567327117double *SMOOCHIES*
>>567318802Alright, I added a few more NPCs.Try again it again if you would like to.
Who is the most lickable trekker
>>567327116*post smooch*>>567327117*smooch* *rape*
Finally got it!
Battle of Titans
>>567328196kaede has such a dumb face
>>567328196>rapist vs rapebaitgenuinely a tough choice
This one is even harder
>>567328481Nah
Now real question: How high would Maou-chan place in your sorter?
>>567328694Everyone wants to fuck Maou-chan so it wouldn't be fair
>>567328410fuyu wouldn't say this
Aw hell yeah, that's more like it
>>567302036Would you drink almost one liter of Wraith milk per day?
>>567330447No. Our extremely powerful superbaby will need that milk.
>>567330447The guy's research also says that breasts grow around 30% larger during pregnancy, can you imagine?
Everyone is saying it, it's no longer a secret.Too late for the retards that pulled without thinking, the best choice is clearly to wait until she reruns.
>>567331851That's cool and all, I pulled because she's LITERALLY my daughter.
>>567331851I pulled Firefly solely because I want to make her cum so hard she squirts on the ceiling, fuck your metaslaving
>>567331990(Me) <---- i'm rapebaitAnd My daughter <----- She's a war machine
>>567332548Hell yeahWar machines as daughters are peak and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Theres two kinds of Stella Sora players...
Is it worth using Chitose ult if you have T1
>>567338197It's not worth using Cheeto's ult at all, straight up.
What do we think about steamed hams
>>567340452The only kind of ham I think about is this one
I need Post Haste content...Post Haste in the main story when...
>>567340721Post Haste content that would be cool if we actually get into a legal dispute and have to hire Freesia as our lawyer. I would love to see how a lawsuit would work in Stella Sora.
>>567341038Well, she DOES have a "lawyer" sprite in the game, so maybe.
>>567340702is this edited? it looks like she has something in her butt
>>567341456I save it from the wiki a long time ago but upon checking now it's the old memory snapshot and this is the current one. Looks like they redrew the lighting a bit.
>>567331665making donner’s donners grow 30% larger
>>567331665This but Bigna
Guys is it true Stella Sora is going full woke and adding disabled rep? The Firenze/Nyx and Nazuna/Nazuka lesbo stuff was already sus enough, I thought this was supposed to be le based fanservice cunny game?
>>567342674Her memory snapshot makes her look pretty flat. Would a 30% buff even do anything?
>>567343818ill respond to your bait since the threads nearly over, what nazuna nazuka stuff?
>>567344116It would give her puffier, constantly erect nipples and a slight tiddy bump
>>567344116
>>567343818It is true that I will ravage Chloe.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/A3eGZ8ClydUNew Kohaku short
>>567343818Miyu > Illya > Chloe
>>567343818Yup, we're woke and have disabled characters just like BA, ZZZ, and Fate. Now please leave us alone.
>>567346593Illya maybe, but Miyu? Lowkey major third wheel energy, hard set in third place
>>567348563I think you just don't understand the appeal of Miyu.
>>567343818They also added elderly rep in the last banner
>>567348850We really need a trekker with the body type and outfit that Miyu has when transformed to be honest, especially if the personality is more based on her third ascend summer version from FGO
>>567349257Yolanda
>>567341383I think having Freesia be our lawyer for when we go against the corpo she used to work for would make a good story. And the rival lawyer is the mentor that she lost her first case against.
>>567349024Fucking RUDE
>>567349513Outfit isn't lewd enough for starters
>>567341038Freesia's definitely how they're gonna bring Post Haste into the story. We'll eventually run into villains that challenge us with legal and bureaucratic bullshit in another city.
I miss my bro Jay
>>567350698A fun bad end I could see is Maou getting entrapped in lawfare. The punishment is the process as they say.
Next commission:>>567350283>>567350283>>567350283
Amber edging me with her feet while she's fucking around on her phone
Nanoha fucking SUCKS
>>567352491You will Nanoregret this
