D4 is bad edition[PoE 1]>3.28 Patch Noteshttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/patch-notes>Compiled links, tools and utilitieshttps://pastebin.com/SHt8unCt (embed)[PoE 2]>Return of the Ancientshttps://pathofexile2.com/ancients>Ongoing 0.4 patch noteshttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/2212>>567096820
Why DO we hate the campaign again?
comparison is the thief of joy
blacks are thieves
>>567197771because ggg are improving it and we need to actively attack them on a perceived weakness while we still have the chance.
temple is going to make so much money because nobody is going to want to do it the original intended way
JONATROON
>196 more poops until patch notes >353 more poops until league launch
>implement money printing mechanics>implement no money sinking mechanics>economy shits itself during first week
>>567197923I still don't understand what the intended point of the corridor tiles was. what is a "correctly built" temple even meant to look like?
>>567197771it's a slog
Our girl lily is doing hc ssf
>>567198158She looks so fucking hot today
>>567198093rerolling magebloods will fix this
>>567197771Tinkbrains can't get their fix from campaign, they need juicemaxx like their hero fubgoon to feel like their time is well spent
>>567198124you are meant to build to architect, get the good reward rooms, build and grab those and repeat. or go for atziri if you want to farm her drops instead of reward rooms.
>>567197908>improving it>adding yellow paint
>>567198312>5 charm slots with 90+ ms>price 5 mirrors
i didnt know this, if you use the same 3 league mechanic tablets on 1 map it blocks all other league mechanics now in poe2 apparently just heard that faggot miso say that
>>567198375how are 1) losing huge amounts of your temple to room destablization and 2) rewards for killing bosses, ever meant to balance against each other?
>>567198496Charm slots are garbage. Theres only 1 good charm in the game
>>567198496avarage 60 divs to roll that
>>567198559These are the same developers who thought it was fun that players lost their entire Betrayal syndicate board after killing the boss ONCE, when getting the drop you wanted on average took like a dozen kills.This is fundamentally a similar issue. So it won't be fixed for 5 years.
>>567198312>no permanent charm effectshit belt ngl
>>567198559item rarer = item more expensiveall the temple specific rewards are already highly valuable, imagine when you cant print them
>insane grind challenges in 0.5What happened to we won't do traditional challenges and only these pseudo weekend challenges before the big 1.0 release?
>>567199121What happened to "2 campaigns, 1 endgame"?
>>567198559kek, is this why I was able to sell the various architect room rewards for such crazy amounts? I made my first 1k divine in that league just with runes and gems
>>567199121they literally copied ruthless 8 challenge shit
>>567199121what happened to 6 months to release?
>>567199121this league will be the last before the (incomplete) end of year release, that's way. you have 6 months to finish the grind.
>>567197771because having to actually play the game, make choices and actively engage with enemies isn't fun i just want to press right click and pick up divines
>>567199235it'll be this but x10 because its the least popular type of league mechanic, but the items are required for endgame crafting
>>567120552>support removed the Starmer lineuh oh
>>567199549>sweaty melty
New league looks cool what am I playing?
>he is a jingakh
>>567199549Kek, whats with rightoids and inserting politics into video games at every opportunity they get
>>567199121GGG is darkpatternmaxxing to keep up player retention numbers (it's going to work on me, I NEED that mtx set)
>>567199831declining nation energy
>enter pyramid directly underneath encampment>ride elevator directly up through peak of pyramid>i can't believe we're back in the encampmentis alva retarded?
>>567198496>price 5 mirrorshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GyBTNFKQ_Q
>>567200251yesthe only smart alva was the last to die
guess i'll league start warrior or shaman, any good tanky builds for simulacrum?
>>567198312I'm gonna bet it's going to be like a screams of the dessicated and say you're always affected by x charm
>>567200528literally anything as titan, just put armor on.
>>567200601A single charm would be shit, honestly even two or three doesn't seem like it'd be enough.
>>567200973
>>567200973>mageblood, but tubbed
What are the new stash tabs they're adding again?
>>567201268fragments
>>567199774bear druid :)
>>567197541they could've ported the better belt instead of this out of place unique
>>567199121no one ever said this
>>567201413action speed is too OP in poo2.
>>567201413thats literally what poe2 mageblood is though, why do you think they tested it in poe1 first?
by the time poo2 comes out d4 will of launched 4 expansions and probably made 4x the revenuebut d4 bad, right?
>>567201413It aint happening baby gurl, not for a decade atleast, until power creep sets in
>>567201408no :(
>>567201574retard
>>567201413This isn’t a real unique item. It’s literally a way to test which shrines they can attach to uniques as picreps and which ones would be too powerful. Poe 1 is just a testing ground where they dump all the stuff that’s too dangerous for Poe 2.
>>567201741yes :)
>>567201610>4x40x*
>>567201808>could be a kino unique to run with pounce wolves>Lord of the Wilds says you cannot use unique scepters because GGG are fucking jewsThey just decided Druid has to have the worst keystones in the game
>>567201610>d4 will of launched 4 expansionsPoe 2 is coming out this year, not in 2034
>>567201808Wdym retard, basically every shrine was allowed on the belt except the divine shrien that literally makes u immortalI guess they changed the resonating shrine to not give double effect of charges but thats it
>>567201808do you think you can fuck the hole in the palm
>>567198279she always looks hot
>>567202156Would Chayula be into it or would he not be into it?
>>567202291I think he'd be down for it
>>567201610blizzard can't even add classes faster than ggg, even if their classes require 15% of the work.
>>567202142That’s the point, really: all the shrines were allowed to see which ones players would use. They aren’t even considering adding this belt to Poe 2, but they’ll most likely add unique items that grant you the effects of the shrines they deemed to be balanced.
Did GGG make the asian character a manlet as a veiled attack to their masters at Tencent?
>>567202456>but they’ll most likely add unique items that grant you the effects of the shrines they deemed to be balanced.so all the shrines that no one wanted to use?
>>567202671Yes
>>567201610Objectively it's a worse game, sales isn't indicative of quality or else league is the greatest game in the world. Diablo 4 is an okay game but it does a lot of things worse than PoE2 from an ARPG pov on top of being kind of braindead.
>>567202736>league is the greatest game in the worldyou mean Minecraft and/or Pokemon
>>567202825don't forget fortnite, the greatest FPS shooter of all time
>>567202941on god?
is it bait?
>>567202456Yea, it was such a mystery which ones people wanted, hence they weighted them before they were even released in PoE 2
>>567203143mmmmmm nyo
>>567203143>minion ascendancyit's shit, yeah
>>567203143companion stuff is baitstampede wisp actually looks good
>>567202825>>567202941Right, my point is any higher earnings game like Modern Warfare 2 is the bee's knees from this perspective when anons can use their brains to think about a game longer than 2 seconds
>>567203143>stags, bearcool>owlfucking why>other nodeswho cares
>>567203143the conditions for triggering owl and deer are just not worth playing>durr forced doge roll>durrr move an entire football field lengthgenuinely awfulmeanwhile martial artist you just get skills that you can toggle, is it that fucking hard?
>>567203720>>owl>fucking whytwisters go zoom
What build to Ritualisthuds start with
>>567203857deer isn't so bad, with the extra node you just get the wisps back when their animation ends, and moving is something you're always doing anyway
>>567203857Did you consider playing blink with owls?
>>567199121How are they insane grind though?
>>567203857the deers will clear far enough that you'll be moving enough anyway
>>567203143>idolatrybait>natural orderprobably bait, will have to see the new companion stuff>bear linebest of the bunch>owl linecomplete bait>stag lineunupgraded it sucks, upgraded it might be good>captain planet nodehard to say, probably bait
>>567203937i just think it would have been cooler for it to be something that benefits everything and not just projectiles which shoehorns the ascendency into twisters or companions and that's it
>>567204171>twisters or companions and that's itthat's Huntress atm baka!
>>567197771Because it doesn't impact the endgame at all. How many people roll an ascendancy or build other than the one they intend to play just to finish the campaign as fast as possible and then swap? It's just checking off boxes until the devs allow you into maps. You could enter the game on league launch at level 65 with a bunch of skill points to assign and some mediocre gear and it's basically the same shit with a lot of time saved.
>>567203143>Negative defenses (not even a meme, ACTUALLY NEGATIVE) unless you take Sacred Unity>Sacred Unity heavily limits what nodes you can take in and of itself, despite being near-mandatory for Vivid Stampede setups>Self-negative synergy, Vivid Stampede isn't a projectile, so Owl doesn't influence it at all>Actively pushing people towards Twister (which is going to be really damn rough and filter a ton of people) or Companionmancer (the numbers just aren't there, even having doubled it AND Companionmancer only has 3 nodes since you can't take Sacred Unity without losing out on one of Unique Taming or added damage)Everything about this Ascend is tailored in the most awkward way possible to be mediocre.
>>567204407>How many people roll an ascendancy or build other than the one they intend to play just to finish the campaign as fast as possible and then swapanon speedrunners often don't even ascend until reaching maps.so the answer is "a number of midwits"
>>567203857>durr forced doge rollperfect for grenade playstyle
>>567203143Bear companion gives you like 20ish% DR and life regen when you grab his buff, the companion DR node, and put a gem on him, presumably it'll be quite tanky so it's actually probably one of the best defensive nodes you can pick up atm.>IdolatryKind of shit, reservation efficiency isn't that great at such low amounts when you have maybe 15 sockets max, depending on idols. Natural Order is meh, they removed the azmeri spirits last time they showed it off so while normally it's a good fluffer skill it's not looking so hot. Zoomaster might not work out as well as one might think
>>567203143this ascendancy is complete AI slop. None of this looks like it was designed by someone with a cohesive understanding of the game. It's all just random trash with 'le beast' meme
>>567203143>Hey, here's ONE HUNDRED NEW RUNES (crafting ones can't be removed and will still incur the -4%, fuck you)>Hey, here's a class that is ACTIVELY PENALIZED FOR USING RUNESAn impressively bold move.
>>567204430the bear's intimidate is also 10% less damage taken with just 2 ponits, but it probably doesn't have 100% uptime.
>>567203720Picking up owl for stag autotarget and bear DR seems reasonable I think>>567203980Ritualist is best as a respec, 25 millions required to run it without wanting to kill yourself since you get no value out of your ascendancy until good rings
YOU CAN TAME BOSSES!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86MS6GHBAOg
>>567204631very confident for how wrong you are, because the ascendancy is tailor-made for existing builds (twister and companion huntress) and is not generically at all, if anything it's too specifically tailored to those individual builds.
>>567204892OH MY SCIENCE THIS CHANGES HECKIN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!>only 2 are actually decent but you'd be better off using a rare with auras
>>567204839>since you get no value out of your ascendancy until good ringshow exactly do you get no value? you get exactly a ring's worth of value (fucking huge at every stage of the game, including in a2), and you get headhunter buffs at 0 currency investment. It's an ascendancy absolutely loaded with starter power and this retard thread acts like it's bad early because it also happens to be good late.
>>567205208>you get headhunter buffs at 0 currency investment.Behead is a support gem that exists btw
Spirit Walker failed so they had an excuse to finally nerf the storm bird in Trial of Chaos.
>>567205308>capped to one modat least try it before you shill it kek.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7nOQfFtJRU
>>567204985speak for yourselfill be owl and stagmaxxing on crossbows
>>567205208>You get a rings worth of valueIt's not worth an ascendancy until a 4 point investment or a really good ring, and the "headhunter" comes with a slow as fuck animation or 20% of your life on an already squishy character. It's pretty damn boring without good rings or more investment lategame, amazon is not only more powerful from the offset but more interesting as well.>>567205434If you're willing to sit through the bajillion animations ritualist needs to get her "headhunter" buffs, then by all means go ahead
>>567205492his fake ghoulish smile gives me violent urges that are hard to supress
>>567205627I'm not telling you what to start, just don't say blatantly stupid things gupta.ritualist is how you make a mirror week 1, iykyk.
>>567205627>tfw owl makes it impossible to fucking aim grenades
>>567197771A lot longer than POE1.
>>567205849>fake
>>567205863Fub has a mirror by day 2
>>567205982elon has 2 mirrors day 1cope
>>567205849that's not a smile, that's clearly an expression of pain and/or fear.
Hmm. I think I will go Stormweaver Spark. Thoughts?
>>567205982he pays good money for that
>>567205849
>>567204641idolatry will see more value than WH weapon set ascendancy
>>567205828>It's not worth an ascendancyYes it is, it's worth an ascendancy point immediately because rings are enormous stat blocks for attack builds, where you need nearly EVERY line that can appear as an affix (attack damage, rarity, life, resists, even mana).>or a really good ringDo basic math. Check the attack values of an A2 weapon. Then check how much an iron ring with 1 (one) line gives in attack damage. That ascendancy will double your damage more as soon as you pick it up, while providing extra life, rarity, resists or whatever you roll on rings.>the "headhunter" comes with a slow as fuck animationOk so you admit you haven't used it since the rework, gotcha.> It's pretty damn boringHeadhunter is fun as fuck, but I never made any claims about it being "fun", I'm making the claim that it's good at the start.>amazon is not only more powerful big doubt, especially in trade league.>If you're willing to sit through the bajillion animations ritualist needs to get her "headhunter" buffs,I am, it's completely worth it and you don't have to pretend you're some zoomgod who doesn't have half a second after a rare kill to get haste aura. >>567205982Well good on him, but you're not gonna be Fub, but you could be a negative rarity farmer.
Gonna CLANGCLANGCLANGmaxx as a smith of kitava before doing a cheeky little tranny into the breach avenger shield w/ the secret runesmith alt ascendancy fr fr
>>567205492>he's trying out talking more from his diaphragm:facepalm:
>>567206263Kek love this nigga like you wouldnt believe
>>567206492You are cooked, exile. Peace
I play shield armour for league start. I like being able to run into packs like a retard and not die. It gives me feelings of power.
>>567204586watching speedruns has been eye-openingi've been wasting a lot of time killing monsters and not sprinting directly to the next zone
Are they gonna fix ritual mobs being invisible while spawning but already blocking you?
Ran every single class through act 1 and Monk is fuckig atrocious
>>567206101make sure to pick up cast on critical strike and socket the comet gem
>>567207002FGKorbyn's setup is p good on damage but you gotta watch out to not die. I think you should just wear armour for monk unless you're a giga gamer.
>>567206919yeah, its really obvious that being slow is the result of bad time-wasting habits not so much what build you are using. the only less-intuitive thing is understanding that IPD is the only weapon stat worth spending crafting currency on.
>>567204985it has nothing but companion related nodes. So what if it gives extra projectiles? Thats as generic a bonus as it gets. It has no defenses, it has nothing interesting about it. Complete slop
>>567206919>plays a game about killing monsters>so he can run past all the monstersTHIS is the person shitting himself and arguing with TalkativeTri?
>>567205492>proving unique items in poe2 can be pretty sick>shows a shitty health regen item no one will uselmao
>>567207348intimidate reduces monster damage
>>567207348>it has nothing but companion related nodesyes, most of them are companion-related.getting all 3 animals creates insane synergy for a twister character because of extra proj, easy way to create shocked ground, and extra proj speed.>It has no defensesthe bear is defenses when you get the secret node, and idolatry can also translate to a lot of defences because of powerful reservation skills.>it has nothing interesting about it.it's fine to think that but I just think your comment about it being AI slop is nonsense. it was so clearly manually designed to fill a niche. I'm not asking you to like it, let's just be honest about it.
>>567206919Nope, you're definitely supposed to kill monstersDifference is how they kill the monsters mostly, in the time frame you killed 10 monsters they killed 20
They should make an infinite campaign
>>567201610how much of a retarded brown faggot do you have to be to be happy when x company makes more revenue than y company
>>567206384>Yes it is, it's worth an ascendancy point immediately because rings are enormous stat blocks for attack builds, where you need nearly EVERY line that can appear as an affix (attack damage, rarity, life, resists, even mana).and youll have one such ring in campaign retard?
>>567207579>it was so clearly manually designed to fill a nicheThat's the problem with every poop2 ascendancy thoughbeitthey're all pidgeonholed
The fuck did they do to the performance? Haven't played for almost a year, never used to be great but now it just randomly drops to 20fps and forces me to restart
>>567206919>Just run directly to the side quest/ next zoneThis doesn't seem very fun though anons, maybe speedrunning isn't for me
>>567207754>and youll have one such ring in campaign retard?yep, you get 3 guaranteed ring drops up to that point and if you fail to procure an iron ring you always have the vendor.
>>567207875that's just your pc dying, hope you got some savings left
>>567207348>>567207546Bear even has two sources of mitigation, granted you have to waste points on the owl for it
>>567208124>he thinks slogging through the campaign again is funyikes.. this is why we can't have a campaign skip...
Shart cannons
>>567208594
>>567208594>hate campaign, want to skip>also endgame suckswhy even bother
>>567208783>endgame sucksuhhh maybe you haven't seen the teasersjonathan is adding walls to the endgamepoe2 is saved
>>567208953Jonathan-sama....I kneel....
>>567208606Or it me or are the stats on this thing just not very good
>>567209635it's for clear, not single target
>>567209701Why would you want to use it instead of a regular crossbow? What makes it "for clear" specifically?
is the augment tab PoE2 exclusive or does it have a PoE1 equivalent?
>>567208294yeah so if you are going for taming the bosses you can't get defenses you get slop. It has one certified path for muh nature buddies. Its not an ascendancy it's literally just a tailor made class/build for retarded zoom zooms to eat up
>>567207785huntress is a special case because one type of build she was supposed to have (parry) isn't worth the trouble, and another (frenzy charge spears) only becomes worth it endgame.we ought to be able to kind of mix between them but companions desperately needed something so at least this adds another viable strat to JUST twisters.
>>567210039spiritwalker is going to be op for one league because it's new then nerfed into irrelevance
>>567209927>Why would you want to use it instead of a regular crossbowweaponsets are a thing that exists
>>567210039>Grab three wisps + boss nodeThat's all 8, and you get both sources of damage mitigation from bear. Granted you don't get the offensive benefits of 60% mainhand damage to your companions though so you have to pick and choose. You can run your zoo build but you won't get any defensive benefits, or you can get your wisps buffs and some defenses
>>567209927explosions and grenademaxxing with it
>>567210265twisters are already too good so that's necessary in any case
>>567210334Either you're retarded or I am. I know its for grenades, but you can use grenades with any crossbow, but with this one, only grenades. But whats the advantage of using this type?
>>567210386skipping the 60% damage from your weapon would be retarded you pseud. It's absolutely mandatory if you are making a companion build
>>567210525all I can remember from the reveal is that they can roll grenade-friendly mods, maybe go rewatch that part. some of the stuff they can roll maybe similar to what's on the unique xbow in one of the teasers. most likely they're a reaction to ggg knowing grenades fall off in maps, their hearts are usually in the right place at least.
>>567210746>their hearts are usually in the right place at least.
>>567210334Crossbow clear is good enough without a grenade specific crossbow though
>>567204430>Actively pushing people towards Twister (which is going to be really damn rough and filter a ton of people)Funniest shit is that you literally cannot roll inside whirlwind without going out of it, so it must be strict sequence of roll -> whirlwind 3x -> twisters.Saddest thing is that not enough people will discover it, because they will all quit in act 1
>>567205919where we're going we dont need to aim
>>567210746>their hearts are usually in the right place at leastthat place? the tub
>>567211013>dude this option is bad >dude what's the point of buffing X we already have enough optionshonestly! it's as though this forum is 90% engagement baiting!
>>567210039Pretty sure the vid explicitly stated the bear is a "bonus" not taking the slot, so you still can tame a boss without the unique.>>567210649Depends on your companion's rate of attacks, really.
>>567211673What is it buffing though? Its removing the option to use anything but grenades with it, and has no crit and a slow attack speed. Yeah you can have grenades on a weapon swap, but you can do that with a regular crossbow too. Honestly I think someone just made the asset and they thought yeah that looks cool put it in
>>567212008it also doesn't have the innate +1 projectile for grenades that bombard crossbows have
>Youtube suggested me video about running twisters in act 1.>try it>its ok>add streamer tech Frost Bomb + nova>ITS INSANE>few days later same guy releases act 2 twister video>dont need bomb+nova anymore>just ice tipped arrows + barrage>its absolutely godlike in act 2I am twister fag now
>>567212228thanks for the heads up anonwe'll be adding this to the balance list for 0.5
>>567212228it sucks ass without salvo and the keystone for building up whirlwindsonce you do get those though it becomes useable and very good for clearstill not sold on the single target
>>567212008Maybe it has special grenade mods
>>567212008It will have own mod pools and they’re likely adding a keystone aswell for grenades, something like resolute technique that makes ignoring crit worth
>>567208606They literally said on reveal this cannon will be able to roll unique only for it grenade mods
>>567212186they'll probably add +4 proj for grenade skills or some shit only on that base
havent played since 0.2did they fix armor yet?
when are patch notes? >>567212418twisters blast through acts
>>567212914no**unless you have millions of armour, then it's okay
>>567212709>+5 light radius if you've used a grenade skill recently
>>567212949bro anything blasts through acts you just need a good weapon
>>567212914Armour is is just as good in poe 1 as it was in poe 2 in fact its even better in poe 2 now compared to poe 1
>>567209929not that i know of
>>567213063poe 2 armor actually had a much worse damage mitigation formula than poe1, but as i said i havent played since 0.2 so im not sure if that is changed now or not.
>>567213318It mitigated half damage because mobs deal half damage compared to poe 1
>>567212914yes it applies to elemental damage too now, it's fine
are the ritual, delirium or the gem tab useful? I was considering them since they are on sale but usually i never get enough of any to justify needing a tab
>>567213030nta but as a primal strikes enjoyer i gotta admit twisters are so much better (in campaign) than anything you can run on ranger/huntress you'd have to be retarded not to start them if they let them be. I'm still switching later, not gonna play whirlwind slash movement.
>>567213936Not really, regular stash tab will be more than enough to cover all of those.
>>567214064>i gotta admit twisters are so much better (in campaign) than anything you can run on ranger/huntressi'm watching an act 1 twister speedrun right now and this looks about as effective as grenades or la/lr, but more annoying to play
>>567213936delirium is getting a lot more liquid emotions so might be a good ideai bought a gem tab because i got tired of having to search for them, its pretty useful imo
>>567214410Both grenades and twister are jank. La LR into ice shot snipe is the most chill campaign experience
>>567210178the theoretical game jhonny boy has in his head and guides the decisions when creating these classes doesn't match the real game
>>567214064sounds cool but im just going to grab a talisman and oneshot the screen with wyvern autoattacks
>>567214727>ice shot snipe>not jank
>>567211013I only use grenades, I never use bolts, so it's perfect for me as long as the stats are better than an abyss crafted one which is already pretty dope and easy to make.
>>567214492>delirium is getting a lot more liquid emotions so might be a good ideathat's what i was thinking but then you end up having 1 or 2 of the rare ones because they won't drop leaving the tab empty
>>567214849Whats janky about it
>>567215073>then you end up having 1 or 2 of the rare ones because they won't dropfor me, it's blight, ultimatum, delve, and delirium. I bought them on sale 8 years ago and they still haven't earned back their price in usefulness
>>567215565I would get more use out of my Blight tab if those FUCKING RETARDS AT GGG ADDED AN "UPGRADE ALL OILS" OPTION HOLY SHIT STOP MAKING MY CLICK 2000000 TIMES
>>567215732FEEL THE WEIGHT
>>567215937FUCK YOUTHE ESSENCE TAB UPGRADES THEM ALLWHY CAN'T THE BLIGHT TAB?
>>567215565same everything in those tabs is either too rare so you sell what you find or worthless trash that you can dump in a normal tab and search when you need it once in a while
Give it to me straight. Is Tri a paid shill or just retarded and shilling for free? What's his endgame?
>>567215565I find them useful in SSF because you can't trade stuff away and the organization is helpful, but yeah probably not a great deal
>>567216345Grifter
>>567216041>>567215732this is what we call a 'retard check'stop picking up garbage and put it on your filter
>>567216345He is the /poeg/ messiah
>>567217361Drown yourself in your shitting tub, Jonatroon.If I farm blight for a few days I should be able to click twice to upgrade all my oils to goldYou are a fat fucking faggot. Fix your fucking game.
>>567217639keep picking up your penny fragments lil rat, you'll get out of the maze eventually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9rv5zwH0UoNEW DELHI
Has anyone ever dropped anything good from a heist chest
>>567218262>"block every content creator that already makes guides before patchnotes">"me talking about mechanic rework i know nothing about is perfectly fine thou"This guy is such a piece of shit lmao
>>567218262>making builds and explaining mechanics>patch is 2 weeks awayWe must stop this madness
>>567218707I have not and never will engage with h*ist
>>567218781My heist locker was full so I just ran 30 or so contracts. Dropped nothing of value
>>567218781faggot
https://x.com/pathofexile/status/1326355021093498880https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3930597what do I think of this
>>567218936feeta
Newfag hereGive me the QRD on Monk and Sorceress
T R V K E
>>567219137The monk is a jingakhThe sorceress is not a jingakh and has nice tits
>>567218262>let me just regurgitate information so I can make money"content creators" gatta be some of the lowest of the low
>>567219378why don't you do it then
>>567219378Gotta respect the grift bro he's making money while his wife gets railed in the other room
>>567219151Is it mostly millennials that complain that games add too much content? I really struggle to imagine what type of person wants less content in the game
>>567219151>poe 2>build planning
>>567219151he's cooking with those boss names, they really should have pathetic names like that
>>567219607he wants MEANINGFUL content, not tiktok brained ZOOMZOOM clear speed advocated by streamers
>>567219607bloat really does feel like an astroturfed complaint
>>567219729Well ive seen ton of diablo players call poe bloat which makes sense they’re used to being dripfed crumbs so anything more than that is bloat but is it really just millennial diablo dads calling everything PoE does bloat?
>>567204631literally 80% of PoE2 design reads like an AI hallucinationwhats worse is that I think it isn't
>>567219607it's shills who want you to play mainstream retard-bait like d4
how cucked with righteous flock be
As soon you will finally understand that slow meaningful combat goes against the core of this game, the sooner you will be able to accept for what it is.And that's a good thing, the vision you want for this game is simply not compatible with it's core.THIS is what people actually saythey just want poe 1.5whereas poe2 0.1 felt great
>wanted to start zoo huntress because it looks cool>shit ass "content creators" already announced they're playing the same thing>market is already prefucked to oblivion because of this>they'll just swap to their cookie cutter screen clearing garbage in a week anyway after they find out minions still aren't goodA pox upon these niggers and the monkeys following them. I'll just play bear, by the time I'm 72, I expect Fury of the King to cost between 1 exalt and nothing and it'll be smooth sailing from there.
>>567221595I don't really get this whole complaint about slower combat. Sure it doesn't need to be Dark Souls slow but it can be like... Diablo 3 slow.
>>567221825it was comfy slow in the beginningbut reddit and poeforums were full of>reee why cant i blast and turn of my brain and watch 2 shows while playing
People seem to enjoy Grim Dawn which has slower gameplay than Path of Exile
>>567222053Fangs release date WHEN
>>567221572black men breaking into your house tier
poe2 is actually in a good position right now in terms of speed, they just need to knock down the absolute topend
>>567222053More braindead too
WhyTHE FUCKDo we not have this ingameWhy do i still have to use 5 different websites that explain 50% of what a league mechanic does???
The whole slow combat shit is a retarded headcanon, that was consistently denied in every qna so far (every time they were asked about lategame speed they said "it's mostly ok")
>>567222323>>567222258you guys are the problempoe2 is NOT and should NOT be poe1 but prettier graphics but same zoom zoom gameplayits a different gamemake it feel different
>>567222323>it's mostly okdoesn't sound like a glowing endorsement
>>567222404speed isn't the problem in poe2. It's that none of the abilities feel good to use, or have interesting combinations of play. They spent all this time meming about combos but made using more than 1 skill shit
>>567222404its not zoom until you have mirror gear, you just need to stop watching fubgun play ranger every league
>>567222404>prettier graphicspoe2 looks worse in motion thoughbeit
I'm just going to have my spectres play the game for me again.
>>567222590>its not zoom until you have mirror gear,lol....
>>567222283babe I don't even understand why you'd want this, you pick the notable you want and press shift to show the emotions
>>567222583agreedjonathans obsession on combo style gameplay feels absolutely dogshit>>567222603if you actually think this get some glasses or a better pc
>>567222725poop2 is a victim of the "more shit on the screen means it looks better" kind of mental retardation that modern art direction has taken.
>>567203143>idol node in the season of runesbut y tho
>>567222803dont ragebait me anon please im not in the mood
new tweethttps://x.com/pathofexile/status/2055755167287349304tl;drwe can make build plans entirely in-game. these can be exported you don't need to be able to write in a file format. the only problem is that they won't release it before 0.5 so we can plan our launch builds. just changing the recommended gems is going to help a fuckton.
>>567223113this was already talked about. who cares this is just casual fodder
>>567223113S O F T
>>567223113i fack u mudder!
https://youtu.be/W0UcprSk8V8?si=SRCkv9nQmCt7EFhwlame
>>567219151>bloatslophe's right you know
>>567223113This build planner thing is the dumbest shit ive seen them add so far. There was literally zero demand for it. The only people i can imagine asking for it are console playersOn top of all that it will cheapen the experience and make PoE feel far less immersive
>>567223113>https://x.com/pathofexile/status/2055755167287349304>how about you make it so normal players can get enough points to feel effectiveWhat exactly is that person complaining about? They want more bonus points? Faster leveling? Fewer options so their points feel more relevant?
>>567222404>make it feel differentBut it is way different. When was the last time you launched poe1?
I feel like people have just fooled themselves into thinking the passive tree is really important. It's like.... 20% of your build's power in PoE 1 aside from keystones. Maybe 30% if you use cluster jewels.
>>567223938this!@!!!!!!!so much this!!!!!!we should cut the bloat and make the skill tree ACTUALLY impactful!
>>567223673Kind of fucked up that there are only 3 melee weapons in the game, they literally did all the other ones first.
>>567223560All build guides buffed!
+melee gems still in, hollow palm bros we are eating good
>>567223938yeah poe2 is so much more accessible than that, you can just get good gear and don't need to feel intimidated by the passive tree.
>>567223774>here was literally zero demand for it.I kinda doubt this, given just how much of the PoE community is completely reliant on other playing the game for them via builds, this general included. There is a huge demand to make others play for you easier and even more convenient.
>>567224187gay
>>567223560I can't wait to crash people's clients by fucking around with the notes featuret. major content creator
they better release it before the 29th, I am fed up with Rage not being a recommended gem on whirling slash.
>>567224053>the skilltree has only... skills? NOOO I WANT TO CLICK 500 NODES
>>567224267it might be gone on weapons, at least, attack based weaponsif they remove it from wands/staves/sceptres and don't accommodate gems accordingly it'll be so fucking dogshit
>>567224268posting builds with twitch ASCII porn as notes will be fun
>>567223673God, what a bunch of insufferable faggots
>>567224516>NOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST REMOVE MY BOSS ONE SHOTS CHRIS SAVE MEEEEEE
>>567223113https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0UcprSk8V8ITS OUTITS OUT
>>567224268fuck off jung
>>567224649>CHRIS SAVE MEEEEEEthis but unironically
Why the fuck are they sandbagging the last two martial artist nodes? What could be so good that they've hid them for this long?
>>567224261This feature doesnt make someone want to follow a guide more or less tho. And you can use it for your own theorycrafted builds aswell so i dont see the differenceIts just useless thing to not make you watch a second monitor
i hate johnny boy because he shamed mark live and got owned by a colored hair faggot with one single sentence>i would like to-
>>567223774>There was literally zero demand for itObviously there was
>>567224742literally not finished balancing them. what do you think they're doing with the 3 week gap.
>>567224516whats that stat priority thing? I havent play poe 2 yet
>>567224784a whole obvious usage is for QoL while levelling.
>>567224053i'm not saying the skill tree should be simplified, arguably Diablo's skill tree has more of an effect on a build than PoE 1's does. It's just that the granularity is overstated in importance.A bad tree in PoE 1 is only marginally worse than a good tree in terms of how much it would affect your build. Same in PoE 2. So it's weird when people want the tree to offer more power. It's like all the people who want ascendancies to offer more outright power as well.
>>567224784>doesnt make someone want to follow a guide more or less thoIt doesn't need to. The vast majority of retards already will use a guide, there is no decision there, they can't play otherwise.This just makes it easier for them to do so which directly translates into more engagement. It's a very low amount of work for guaranteed gains.
>>567224846this kind of people mindlessly glaze anything a dev addszero judgment or discernment
>>567225182Theres nothing to judge about qol
>>567209927>Use this on weapon swap>Presumably the basic attack is a much weaker but free grenade>Go Tactician>Use Siege Ballista on weapon swap>Bone Shrapnel on the free grenades>FREE Bone Shrapnel explosionsChances are its gonna be shit, though. They talked about how they want grenades to be less strong early game. I think Explosive Grenade is in for a kicking/re-balancing into something else like an ignite grenade instead of a damaging one, and the basic attack will be a 100% phys grenade thats significantly weaker than current explosive grenade until level 20 where its still worse because its free. And then the first cannon crossbow base won't show up until level 30-40 so you're just cucked out of early game grenade damage. Throw in an early game flash grenade gutting for good measure and i'm 99% certain thats what we're getting.
>>567223774It's a great QoL they should also make a bot that plays the build for you during the campaign.
USE MY FILTERS CHUDS
>>567225234>it was a waste of development time compared to other alternatives
>>567225336Bait
>>567223113>Path of Building 2 updated too slowly so we did it outrselves>>567223807Somewhat common complaing that the PoE2 passive tree feels too big for the same amounts of points as poe1. It's something like 40% bigger
I dont like our new community manager
>>567225752>It's something like 40% biggerit's quite literally this meme, it's not actually bigger in terms of opportunity cost because the pathing nodes cover much greater distances compared to poe 1.
>>567225913theyre baiting us hard
>>567225138>it's weird when people want the tree to offer more powerthose people don't actually know what the fuck they're talking about. it's just that if you die going "WHY NO LIFE ON TREE??" is easier than improving.
>>567225946They're about the same distance anon, there's just more choices (and sometimes more specific choices) on the tree, but pathing is a bit slower to the other side of the tree.
>>567225752the pob2 guys obviously knew this was coming and stopped bothering. poe2 tree is bigger because there are more classes and more mechanics its not really avoidable.
>>567226176more mechanics?
>>567226005It's simple, I want my builds buffed and I want deadeye/monk/herald of ice/thunder nerfed
>>567223673
>>567226176more classes when?
>>567225913bro wheres my new spells thats not stuck to a unique weapon?
>>567226585total casternigger death
>>567225946>>567226103On average, PoE 2 trees take about 30% more points to get to any certain segment of the tree compared to PoE 1 trees but the VERY big difference is that in PoE 2, the travel paths have jewel sockets. It's why you see so many PoE 2 trees that basically go around the entire tree even though it technically costs more points to do so.It feels like people's arguments don't match the reality of what actually happens in either games. People say PoE 2's tree is bad because it's too large and disincentivizes moving from your starting segment but plenty of builds go around the tree. People say PoE 1's tree is better because it's smaller but people just sprint for the nearest corner jewel sockets to use cluster jewels.
>>567226585We got 30 kalguuran spells
>>567226585>wanting poe1-style skill gem bloatyou have spark, comet, frostbolt and fireball. every other spell is just one of those with a built in poe2 support gem
>>567226585surely at least one of the kalguuran skills will be good
>>567223673both of those people are dumb, but it's weird why they would put so much effort into the endgame when they don't even have every class in yet. It's probably to make more money, but still. I would rather they get the fucking campaign and classes ready before release instead of the endgame
>>567226727>but people just sprint for the nearest corner jewel sockets to use cluster jewels.I can't wait for cluster jewels to save PoE 2. If everyone, and I mean damn near EVERYONE uses them. Then they must love them.
>>567226727Jewel sockets aren't really the tits anymore and I don't think it's that different from the cluster focus that many endgame builds have. I feel like the actual complaint people have is it's hard to use the tree to shore up gearing issues the same way you can in PoE1, particularly if you're anywhere other than the top or top-right side of the trees. I do think certain aspects (like skill duration) are more interesting in PoE2 but when most builds are either crit focused or not good there must be a problem with the tree in general
>>567226887We have more classes than poe 1 does noone gives a shit.
>>567227094do you have good classes though? (no)
>>567225946>the pathing nodes cover much greater distances compared to poe 1.what is this absolute gobbledygook you just shit out your mouth? There is far more travel in the poe2 tree with less impactful nodes
>>567227094no one gives a shit about swords huh
>>567226176there's actually 1 less class and a lot less variety in what's on the tree since they removed masters, life, etc. They basically added a bunch of useless filler and bogged the poe1 tree
>>567227150do we have fun classes thoughbeit? (yes)
>>567227178Since when are weapons classes
>>567227094Not really, just more ascendancies. You could halve the classes since half of them start from the same point on the tree. there's just a slight difference
is witchhunter a bad choice for quarterstaff? i want to try witchunter in 0.5 but i fucking hate crossbows. Im also interested in the new cull gloves and how that would work with the ascendancy.
>>567227287>people unironically believe this
>>567226887why would they put every class in yet when they haven't even finished the endgame? bitch?
>>567227287intelligent people believe/know this (who have made their own builds before).
Whenever poe players ask for more inherent power on the tree, gear, or ascendancies, it just reminds me that people are really bad at understanding second order effects. GGG can do all of that... and then just make the game harder so it's all irrelevant. GGG puts life on the tree, cool, now every new mob in the game does X% more damage so it doesn't matter except now your points are wasted on mandatory life nodes.Just like mandatory spell suppress. Just like mandatory chaos res.
>>567227673people are asking for life on treepeople are not asking for +X% monster damage
>>567227429>cull gloves and how that would work with the ascendancy.It doesnt work with ascendancy, gloves give culling strike by themselves so you dont need that node.
What's the comfiest poo2 hideout? Need a change of scenery this league
PLEASE JOIN ZIZARAN'S PATREON FOR E X C L U S I V E ACCESS TO HIS LEAGUE START BUILD FILES
People are also asking for less travel nodes. Imagine GGG does that but does not increase attribute gains for what is left lmao
>>567227287I'd probably believe this but I actually played poe1 since 2013 and remember how mandatory life and the best masters were.
how much longer does poo 1 have boys?
>>567228038based Jungroan ragebaiting by inventing problems that won't exist and that no one except him would have ever imagined could exist.
>>567228290nah that shit is going to happen immediately
>>567227759>people are not asking for +X% monster damageexcept that it'll just happen, like with spell suppress, because GGG doesn't want casuals being really tanky just off nodes on the tree
>>567228290AI Dan would definitely do it
>>567228351so when you say "people are really bad at understanding second order effects", what you mean is "jonathan is going to tub anything you ask for"
>>567224785anyone got the clip?
>>567227645Why wouldn't they prioritize putting the classes in the game? There would be more combinations and would appeal to more players, when majority of players barely don't ever even make it to maps. You want the experience to feel as complete from the get-go as possible, which means putting all the fucking classes in the game. The game is probably going to release without some of the classes, and it's crazy. I think it's fine if the endgame isn't "complete" because it will never be complete, it's always evolving. In PoE 1 the endgame just got an update, and that game has been going on for nearly 15 years now
gonna do a thorns warrior build in 0.5wish me luck
>>567227759life on the tree = -X% monster damage, duh
>>567226727youre conflating end game with early game. Early game poe2 has a shit passive tree. Early game poe1 has an excellent passive tree. Both devolve into jewel socket stacking in end game, however in poe1's case, there is far more nuance because masteries are still needed, and things like unnatural instinct, etc, are all very massive upgrades to builds. Poe2s tree is literally just adorned blue jewels boring dogshit
>>567228562it happened under chris wilson too, that's just what happens in live service games
>>567228351poe2 tree is for multiplying your gear stats, its literally the base design of the game and cannot (not wont) change unless they completely rewrite the entire thing.you're not gonna get stats that give you power from nothing on the tree like spell suppression, its always going to be something that depends on your gear like armor applies to elemental (requires your armor on gear to be good)
>>567228604>Why wouldn't they prioritize putting the classes in the game?why would they?
>>567227461you're coping. All that grey? Not a single build uses like 75% of the tree. Not one build
>>567228864>the bald fucking retard and the tub shitter did this, therefore, it's just what happens, akin to a law of physicsi guess this is some combination of learned helplessness and slave morality
>>567227094They added lots of "stuff" but its all so restrictive that you don't actually get to engage with any of it most of the time. Like hammers would probably be FINE if they had more than two (2) strike skills.
>>567229192damn that's bad
yes i updoot on reddit yes i 100% agree with this post, ggg make this happen
forgot how dogshit and unfun melee is in poe2.how the fuck did they make it worse than in poe1?
>>567229192>multiple highly used wheels greyyeah you're retarded
>>567227673bigger numbers feel better. Even if it amounts to no substantial change, a player can 'feel' those larger number changes and investments happening as they level up. Let's take the other extreme end and say every player has 100 hp and gains 10 per level. You will deal damage in the low 1000s by end game against mobs. Does that sound interesting?
>>567229192>Min 1% >not a single buildhmmm
>>567228290FastAF and the other build guide dude make over $200k a league from 70 IQ paypiggies for their sekrit builds. Build sites selling builds will absolutely be a popular thing.
>>567229421name 3
>>567228134people use all kinds of different masteries. There aren't any "mandatory" ones currently except maybe the life chest mastery on life builds
Ngl I actually do think it's a bit baffling people want 30% of all builds to be life nodes like in poe. Why do people want that...?
>>567229192kek, just by glancing at this can I immediately spot the lightning, ES and crit routes
>>567229568i think they're just mad ES is still on the tree
>>567229192I like how there are blue nodes with no used connecting pathways.
You are cooked, /poeg/
>>567229472if it's less than 1% its useless to count. Closest I could get to a usable statistic. You could go lowest 0% and all those areas are still dark blue or mostly grey
>>567229568I just want a bit of survivability.You could have 6k HP, max resistance, and 80% armour for both physical and elemental attacks, but a horde of certain white mobs in the temple will still kill you in one volley.
>>567229192now do this for poo 1
>>567229550mace/shield/totem>inb4 BUT THOSE ARENT POPULAR BUILDS RIGHT NOW
>>567229554you had to use the one that matched your build. making a handful available globally just meant you could choose where to get them. it was a 100% redundant idea.
>>567229568I think building solely into one thing is boring and a good build should have to be a synthesis of multiple different stats put together intelligently. It pains me that GGG has dumbed down the game to the extent that damage is the only thing on the tree that matters, and we are still doing one button slop builds and there are no interesting combos or alt gems in sight. Game is a wet fart
>>567229927>if it's less than 1% its useless to count"Not a single build" implies you counted up to 1 lmao
>>567229782annoints
>>567230049all the non-dogshit wheels for those things are blue in the image
>>567230031still a lot unused but its maybe 40% empty not the massive swathes of empty like poo2
>>567230248>It pains me that GGG has dumbed down the game to the extent that damage is the only thing on the tree that mattersluckily they haven't done thatthey're even going to incentivize getting defenses more this patch
>>567229192I know all those nodes
If I highlight only pathfinders, this tree doesn't look too weird to me. A lot of people use clusters near them.
>>567230472>one shots your bossesdon't need any defence again :)
>>567230426they clearly arent if you have ever played one of those builds (you havent)
>>567230192>you have to take nodes that go with your buildNo shit? I thought I would take nodes that didn't go with my fucking build what an ideathe only things available "globally" were life and aura masteries you dumb fucking retard. There aren't bow nodes in the top of the tree. There aren't mace nodes by witch. Your statement is retarded
wait is the argument going on right now that there aren't enough generically powerful clusters that everyone picks to light them up on a generalized heat map?
>>567230049probably because those builds or more aptly, your build, is shit
>>56723084980% of the poe2 passive tree is worthless garbage never worth taking is the argument
>>567230615>removed 90% of skill levels>deleted coc>high end skills nerfed 50%>unintended interactions removeduhoh
>>567230849it's set at 1%. If this is "generically powerful" to you then sure. I suppose 90% of the skill tree should only be usable by less than 1% of builds that path near them. Sounds like a great use space
>>567230849The argument is that there aren't enough streamers making build guides to spoonfeed the retards who only play Fubgun approved builds.
>>567231021you can't tell that from a heat map highlighting every profile in the game and even on a more granular level it's impossible to tell that from how metas work. Everyone picked the spear nodes when Amazon is broken. Amazon got nerfed but the spear nodes didn't, nothing is wrong with the spear nodes not being picked in 0.4
>>567230849>oh my science, did you just le heckin' ask for interesting choices when building your character? are you some kind of white nationalist chud who doesn't like picking -5% attack speed nodes? shut the FUCK up and LET. THEM. COOK!
>>567230983>third worlder response to losing
>>567231196this but unironically
>>567231189>spear nodesthose nodes ARE highlighted though, so your point is moot
>>567231254>turdworlder projecting because he had to look up a wordits said what the browning of the west has wrought on the intelligence of the average zoom zoom
>>567231196TRVKE
the heatmap on standard
>>567208128>an iron ring>he uses his ascendancy point for 1 - 4 physical damage to attackslmao
>>567231441YWNBAFW
>>567229687Remember when our lord and saviour THE sirgog only had 3/5 T17s complete three weeks into Mirage
>GGG has been 'cooking' for two years
>>567229192>>567231593if you combine these and ignore the grey clusters for shit that's not even in the game yet like swords and flails, the tree doesn't seem that bad ngl ngl ngl
>>567231593>Starting positions with two classes and monk (objectively the most fun class in any ARPG)wow
>>567231786Based.Only mazed retards rush to finish the game
>poo2 is bad game because look at this heatmap>nobody is picking axes/swords/flails/daggers nodesAre you people fucking retarded?
>>567225318Neversink's filters are hot garbage.
Post poe1 heatmaps
>>567232142>poe1s skill tree is super diverse because every build paths to any and all cluster socketsare they fucking retard? might could be.
>>567232442NOOOO YOU CANT JUST PROVE HIM WRONG LIKE THAT!
all this cope lmao
>>567232489The shadow and ranger starting areas lol. Also the void under ranger start
>>567231934ignore the actual color but these are the trees combined at 1%. A small observation is that the segments of the tree with two classes clearly have more filled out compared to the left side of the tree which lacks Templar, Marauder, and Duelist.
>>567232142There are generic projectile nodes near Mercenary, Crossbow skills not even being that fucking bad, that are never taken because they are just straight up fucking dogshit like this.
>>567231593>ES/EV supremacyThis game
>>567232797Yes. People tend to pick nodes that are close to the starting point rather than go to the other end of the tree >>567232442
>>567229351pixel art when done right ages so well, compared to shitty slow loading poo2 atlas & soulless poo1 "atlas"
>>567232916holy s hit this is fuckign terrible
Is it that Crit is too good or is it that everything else is too bad?
>>567232916Hunter might actually be the most retarded node in the game because its not even done right. Beasts are the fastest and should have the immobilize stat. Constructs are usually tankiest and should be dealt more damage to. Crit damage bonus is basically just another damage bonus but even more conditional, and duration of ailments makes no fucking sense because you can very easily juice ailment duration.
>>567233132>crit is too good>everything else too badit's neither, it's just that crit is literally all that exists. Crit and skill level (which isnt on the tree). All other scaling paths are not in the game yet.
>>567233132There isn't much "anything else" to begin with. Your opportunity cost for going crit is defenses (most people play sc and just die all the time so they don't care) or more increased damage which has really bad marginal benefits at endgame
>>567233132everything else is bad especially when they crunched the %s available on the tree and increased the %s on items available massively. What it means is that increased damage on the tree is almost entirely worthless by end game when you have at least decent gear
>>567233112...until they add something that makes everything count as every enemy type and it suddenly becomes the best node on the tree.
>>567233132you can't even scale dots properly bro
>>567233359you can't just die all the time in poe2, at endgame you are running 1portal maps.
>>567233132What else multiplies your damage?
>>567233112All Breach and Delirium monsters are classified as demons
>>567233337There's three sources of gem levels, one in an ascendancy (gemling) I believe, cold spell and chaos spell, and that's it
>>567233112I like situational stuff, too bad they're always bad.>>567232916Putting specific distances in a videogame is really stupid but the sprint nodes are much worse.
>>567233532No they still choose to die all the time and just run a new waystone and cry about it on reddit. And in 0.5, they'll pick the Doryani atlas master and get an extra portal even on their 6-mod maps.
>>567233487lmao the grifter with 10k youtube subs who has things paywalled
>>567233487expected. you dont think all these new players like him and angormus play poe2 beta for a living for fun right?although all they do is play up to act 4 so im not sure any build they make would be any good
>>567233532That's what going at 200% movespeed and one shotting the whole screen with herald of lightning is for>>567233487Based Chink
>>567233487kek this shit is going to get removed in a month
>>567233487Idk what Jung is preemptively seething about anyway. Is there even a demand for people looking to buy build guides?
>>567233112>>567233413Am I the only one that is ok with stuff like this? Like yeah the presence nodes are fucking ass but Constricting Command making them OP is kind of neat. I don't care if it's an obvious forced interaction, I like it
The fact that 'Surrounded' passives are as fucking god awful as they and GGG decided to fix it not by making the passives good but by just turning off the conditional and making them active forever is proof that they're fucking frauds. Any game dev worth their salt would have fucking removed them because its a nigger-brained idea clearly put in by someone who doesn't play the fucking game.If Blizzard pulled a move like that, every mouth breathing elitist nigger on this site would freak out and slur at them 30000 times and insist they have no idea what they're fucking doing. GGG does it and its radio silence.
>>567233581In this game? Good question, other than shock, chill with the stormweaver node, or damage as extra, it's pretty much just crit, increased, and support gems
Any wheel that's not a "take this as a starter before respeccing to take better nodes later" wheel under 1% usage should be yeeted off the tree and reworked. Debate me.
>>567234000>Like yeah the presence nodes are fucking ass but Constricting Command making them OP is kind of neatWhy is it neat? Because all this tells me is they'd rather justify a shit idea by brute forcing it with something that removes the only unique conditional they had instead of admitting the idea was awful. Which, really, describes Jonathan's entire design ethos to a T.
>>567234173Why are you gay?
>>567233487Honestly, it's disgusting how a parasitic click bait content creator economy attached itself to PoE like a tumor. What a disaster.
>>567233973it's mostly used as a front for rmt, like fastaf and russian youtubers have paywalled shit that is clearly just rmt slop.
>>567233973I think it was more of a nipping at the bud situation before it becomes a thing because you know the poe2 "community" would tryAnd the guy underneath taking the bait proved him right
>>567234273having something useless be made good through the use of a unique is something that has been a thing since poe 1 beta
Tri won.
>>567234442>having something useless be made good through the use of a unique is something that has been a thing since poe 1 betaI was literally invited to the beta by Jonathan himself. You're talking out of your ass.
>>567234000Nice trips, but surrounded nodes work by themselves. Yeah it's conditional but they're pretty stacked. These though? I think they're probably too conditional. The witch hunter node where you gain a bonus that doubles against demons? That's a good conditional
>>567234623literally low life and shav's newfriend
>>567234623>I was literally invited to the beta by Jonathan himself.May we see your personalized invitation?
>>567234442???PoE1 beta uniques were shit like Kaom's and Shavs. Energy Shield being kind of bad early on is not even in the same universe as the Surrounded nodes.
>>567233112Didn't you nigggers claim that D4 bad because of damage on Tuesdays like this?
>>567234789would you ever pick the low life nodes without shav's?
>>567234829PoE2 has been filled with damage on tuesday mods since 0.1, nigger
>>567234728He dropped keys in a /v/ thread. 27 people tried the same key and we all got in because the server hiccuped. I'm assuming it was Jonathan, because this was like 2011 and whoever it was said something like 'I asked Chris and he said you all could stay' so it certainly wasn't Chris.
>>567234829>damage on Tuesdaysthis never made sense as a critique of Diablo. Diablo 3/4 loves generic power where skills get +100000% damage all the time just cause you equipped one unique.
>>567234928So you have no evidence?Curious...
>>567234928Do you think Johnny boy browses /vg/? We know Chris used to.
>>567234829d4 doesnt have items that make it always tuesday
>>567234375happens to all new releases now, that's just life at this point
>>567235140Jonathan was a code monkey, he wasn't doing shit
Reminder that we know Mark comes here because he reported frogmode.jpg and we know Chris comes here because the gay twink outed him as laughing at /poeg/ memes.
>>567234928Pretty sure that was Erik. And I used that key, too. It was like 27Ksomething or other. Wish I was still in the steam group we made.
>enemies in your presence are inverted while ignited
>>567235204If I opened a 4chan thread to find everyone posting images of me giving the Kubrick stare and generally being a chubby bald psycho i'd be honored.
>>567232916Headshot in a game where the only things monsters do is hold W at you is a weird choice
>>567235473Do you think Jonathan finds humour in the small things in life?
>>567235412>Moving 5.2 meters generates a BigBlackNiggaBallsHD charge which you can use to spawn GangWeedMLG (3s cooldown)
>>567235393the campaign has identical gamplay to endgame maps anyway. you kill monsters and get items. amazing that anyone thinks killing a level 1 map bosses with LA is going to somehow feel liberating compared to just killing miller.
>>567235204What?
>>567235412this shit would actually be insanely good
>>567235740Difference is you have more choices in maps. Campaign is the same game but 30x as restrictive. So, y'know, its worse.
>>567233112I love it.
>enemies in your presence are never nearby
>>567235802>Difference is you have more choices in maps.>vghhhh I can't wait to run a bunch of shit layouts in a row because the infinite atlas is a dogshit downgrade in every single aspect compared to the atlas of worlds>thank you jonathan *slurps up some more brown brew from the cauldron*
>enemies in your presence are empowered, 1000% presence radius
>>567235740Yeah i dont get the argument these d4fags are pushing
>>567235802>you have more choices in mapsyou have choices you've also already done in previous leagues, just like you've already done the campaign. the idea that its less repetitive is an outright fallacy.
>>567235927finally a use for all the long range nodes
>All your buffs also apply to enemies in your presence
>>567235802it's a slippery slope.you let people skip the campaign and they will just come up with another gearing/levelling/progression skip they can't live without.and most people don't play deep into endgame, so what would even be the point of a campaign skip?
>enemies in your presence are in your presence irldon't turn around
>>567236036>>567235802>yay I can just run an efficient layout from level 1 to farm XP and items opimally>oh dear I've quit the game after two days like keeps happening with D4xD
>enemies in your presence have a pizza hut in the garage
>You have no presence
letting new players play poe was a mistake all they do is shit themselves and complain about wanting shitskip the campaignwhy do we need wisdom scrollswhy thiswhy thatnigger fuck you
>Enemies in your presence are Jewish
>>567236110>>567236182this is actually useful with inversion if you have a buff that increases resistances
>>567236243wtf I just wanted to write a pizza related post but deleted it because it wasn't funny, and now this anon arrives out of nowhere. no wonder schizos always get so riled up.
>enemies in your presence are turned into frogs
>>567236234T R V K E
>>567233487You just know this mfer is gonna try to sell your hay in an economy where people share gold for free
>>567236182>>567236110dex area has a potentially cool conditional (Decisive Retreat) that gives you a crit bonus to "enemies that have exited your presence recently". the trouble, like with all of these, is that too niche and not good enough to be worth making a build around.
so what about 0.5 actually improved the enjoyability of the game
>enemies in your presence are gay
>hm, buy the item for 2 div, or the one that's slightly better for 15>buy the 15 div one>it's actually slightly worse
>>567235740what endgame map has you walk down a hallway pulling 50 levers?
>>567236567>"enemies that have exited your presence recently".could be fun on a max speed trapper/miner that just drops shit and runs away before it detonates
>you have no enemies>presence radius is increased by 500%
why does everyone here just ignore that Mirage was a complete bust despite all the veterans getting everything they ever asked for? Clearly no one actually wants to play PoE 1
>You are your own enemyActually it could be a cool side effect for some Delirium unique
>breast size % also affect presence radius
>you are miserable (-5% ms)>everything in your presence is an enemy
the forums are a fucking goldmine
>>567236762
>Presence in your enemies are you
>Allies in your presence are tubbed
>>567237048get fucked poo1 dad gamer casuals
>>567236791it would ruin their whole world view that PoE 1 is in the "best" state it's ever been and no one wants to play it
>>567236791I'm still playing lil gurpreet
>lose 1% more fps for each enemy in your presence
>>567236791Mirage is basically a condensed version of Poe 1, without the seasonal mechanics that usually take up so much of your attention. And the truth is that Poe 1 is, at its core, simply outdated.This isn’t even an attempt to belittle it in any way, Poe 1 is simply an old game that wasn’t designed to have such a long lifespan or to feature certain mechanics. A lot of the old content is just absolutely terrible, just look at Atziri.
>>567237903lost ark has the best arpg combat fr fr
>>567237919Atziri is one of the two well designed bosses in both PoEs thoughbeit
>>567236676i think ggg were thinking of disengage, that no one uses otherwise after act 1, so there's no reason they couldn't have made it more OP.
>>567237903last epoch truly has the worst combat of any arpg ever, I have no idea how they made it feel so floaty.
stop talking shit about allies in presence before ggg nerf my build
>>567238064>disengageI forgot that was a skill
>>567238036it's hard to have multiple well-designed bosses as good as Tomb Lord and Tomb Lord, or Tomb Lord.
>>567236590nothing. the gameplay is the same. the campaign slog is the same. The blandness of builds and combat is the same
>>567238204
guys is diablo in diablo 4?
are we the path of exile, too?
>>567236791it gave veterans nothing they wanted. People want an end game shake up - new boss progression ala metamorph etc. We are still killing the same bosses and using the same influences on our items. They didnt even buff any trans gems
>>567238563also the new gems they added were almost all terrible
>>567238475No. The last time we saw him was in Diablo 3 where he turned into a woman.
>>567237048too bad poe2 doesn't have engaging combat
>>567238685too bad nobody read your post lol
>>567236791Endgame "rework" wasn't really as transformative as it seemed at first, it's the same game and it kinda ran out of steam by this point.
>>567238537Every character you play is an exile and you follow the passive tree path
>>567238883Are poe2 characters other than sorc even exiles?
>>567236791I had a lot of fun and put more hours into the league than I usually do. It even made me give SSF a try.No poe league manages to keep everyones attention for months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvw_HoUWMH0interesting perspective from a bunch of casuals they "need" goals apparently just to play a fraction of what we play, i thought people already knew the goals but seemingly not
>Enemies in your presence are disgusted
>>567238760Maybe because poe1 players clearly don't want anything but spamming one button per screen on a single linear layout endlessly. They can't complain about lack of content diversity when they vehemently hate anything that isn't what they're already doing.
>your presence have no effect
>>567238064>>567238176Disengage was useful back when it was part of a movement tech with rake, but after it got crippled it basically exists to fluff parry playstyles no one uses
>>567235204we know jonathan comes here because he reported tub.jpg
>>567239195what are you talking abouthalf of the tards here are obssessed with getting 40/40 every league and schizo out and stalk forum posters since harvest to prove that they don't "play the game" (complete challenges)
>>567239195>bunch of casuals they "need" goalsThis is a phenomenon I'm seeing the EU4/5 discourseEU4 people are incapable of forming their own goals so they need the developers to create specific mission trees for them or else they'll just stare at the screen mindlessly.They hate EU5 because they cannot imagine a world where they must make their own choices.
>>567239540>17 is back
>you automatically dodge roll when an enemy is in your presence
>>567236670augury
>>567239018Yeah, in a broad senseWarrior is a karui slave who was found and adopted by ezomytesHuntress was expelled from the mountainsDruid was one of those who helped King in the Mist rise to powerMercenary is a typical mercenary who roams the world and kills for moneyMonk was also expelled I thinkThey’re all outcasts
>>567239195These people have a certain appearance, I can't quite describe but redditor is certainly something I'd say applies here
>>567239018>>567239789iirc they're also exiles from Oghan for either thought crime or literal crime. Druid straight up killed like 3 guards because he was wolfing out on some dudes, witch was a heretic, etc.
>>567229192holy shit man
This is my first ARPG I've ever seriously played. It's a lot of fun but I keep getting frustrated by the fact it feels like you are funneled into like 2-3 builds max by endgame.I read that it's apparently a lot better in PoE1. Maybe I'll just wait for full release unless the 0.5 notes have massive changes to skills and shit
>>567240150That's too simple. The game actually makes it quite clear that none of the characters belong in the world and that everything they do can only make things worse. I wonder if all this will lead to anything, because these conversations with Hinekora are extremely important for the world if we take them seriously.
>>567241360Play ssf, you can completely ignore what other people are doing and play your own way. There are plenty of viable builds, it's just that people ignore most of them because they print slightly less divs/hour.
>>567241528>None of the characters belong in the world and that everything they do can only make things worseThat already happened with PoE1, just makes sense your character would be a moderately amoral psychopath. Doesn't quite so apply in this game though, if Warrior makes anything worse he does it by sheer circumstance, he's unironically honorable and well-raised. Druid? Sure, that guy's kind of a fuck up. Monk I can buy being a giga-religious extremist. Even Huntress, maybe. Generally though? Sorc didn't really do anything that wrong, Merc is just a merc
>>567241360Some builds are simple, while others are more complex and not immediately obvious. All I can recommend is this guy's channel, he plays random classes and random skills and he manages to pull it off every time. https://www.youtube.com/@SchwingyGaming/videosAnd don’t play SSF, it’ll just limit your ability to experiment and force you into an even more limited number of builds.
>>567241360poog plays for maximizing currency gained per hour
>dude play SSF there's so many builds and totally not just the same 3 builds that are the only ones capable of clearing content with dogshit gear>now excuse me I'm off to level with grenades again
>>567241745It will most likely play a significant role in the following acts. They’ve already laid the groundwork with all that Christian symbolism, and the Beas portrayed as ‘saviour’
>>567241891what are the other two builds?
>>567240150>exiles from Oghanseemed more like escaped Death Row inmates than exiles
>>567241891this but unironically, imagine playing a league where comet is at 27%nobody gives a fuck what you level with lmao, have you ever played the game?
When are patch notes?
>enemies in your presence are last epoch truck sized crabs
>>567241981Yeah I guess we wouldn't know until act 5. By act 2 in the first game your character already made the world worse by existing, so it feels like a bit of a retread if you're still a casual fuckup with no real internal motivation other than getting back and killing Dominus/Avarius
>>567241891>that are the only ones capable of clearing content with dogshit gearSo now we're defining a viable build as something that only needs 1 hour of ssf farming at endgame instead of 10? If you need comet, you either only play a few hours a league or you are bad at the game.
this is the first game i ever played, but the mechanics are too hard to understand i wish the developers would pander to my low iq and plain stupidityi will never spend money on games by the way
>enemies in your presence are gods
>>567242729>By act 2 in the first game your character already made the world worse by existingHow?
>enemies in your presence have necrovigil>enemies not in your presence have phylacteral link
how much of a drooling retarded faggot do you have to be to care about in game build guides?
1 sleepy closer to league launch
I care deeply and it affects me personally that other people use and PAY for guides.
I care to the extent that it will lead to turbo retards who, even more than they already do, pretend that no builds exist unless a streamer made them a how-to for it.
>>567243673to release*theres no point in playing 0.5
>>567243671usually you have to be underage, with videogames as you only hobby and treat them as your life to care
all we have to do is impeach johnny...
>>567243539nopleasegod
People who say arpgs can't be difficult never make their own builds
>>567238563>>567238760what would an endgame rework actually look like that would lead to better player retention? How is the current endgame not EXACTLY what people wanted? Forcing a single mechanic on a single small map that you can juice and grind endlessly.
>>567244873That depends on your definition of difficult.
>>567244873its unironically like saying the old dungeon crawling mazes weren't difficult to navigate as long as you have a map someone made for you already lol
Do any streamers with more than 100 ccv actually like PoE 2?
>>567245929yeah streamers with 300 pdw like it
>>567245929define "like"
I'LL KILL YOU JANUS
>>567246574just... not... yet
>Ermmm, GGG? Where is my hard, le heckin dark sools meaningful rollslop? Why am I blasting at endgame?>What league do you play?>SC trade.Every time.
>>567247083What? People playing HCSSF are going to be playing the strongest builds possible.
>>567246574GUH-RUESOME
>>567247083SSF or HC players are numbered in the dozens. The rest of the game is built around SC trade whether or not you like it.
>>567247373and that's why poo2 failed
>>567236791Mirage was amazing DOE?
>>567245078I'm saying we've had the same end game progression system for like 6 years now. It's time for a revamp. There's nothing wrong with the atlas. There was nothing wrong with the atlas before. What gets stale is the meta game progression of bosses and itemization. We need new content not shuffled content. The map UI they gave for this new atlas is fucking atrocious also. New map layouts wouldnt hurt either. Things people have been complaining about for decades like small cramped maps, doors, etc. Also new influence base types that allow for different builds that haven't been done before
>>567247571why aren't you still playing it then?
>>567237048@gork, roast his ass.
>>567247646>New map layouts wouldnt hurt eitherwhy would anyone do anything other than the current meta farming maps now that they can choose just one map to do?
>>567248057maybe they should make some good layouts for once
>>567247083Massive trvke
>>567248057maybe make a new meta you fucking retard? Problem with GGG is they systematically have removed shit people like and then go "oh wow why don't people like this random bunch of shit we tacked on after nerfing everything?" It gets old after 10 yrs. I thought we'd be getting new archetypes and build styles with poe2 but they only know how to make 1 game
>slow and methodical in campaign, in line with the vision™>turning into a literal god by endgame mappingWhats wrong with this?
>enemies in your presence>are wymen
>>567248215>>567248674there can literally never be a better layout than "square"
>>567248728in act 1*
>>567248895i like 'line'
it says a lot that whenever pressed on it, people just go "uhhh just make the endgame BETTER???" or "make better maps, describe them??? dude they're just like... GOOD"
IM HAVING A BLAST
>>567248895haunted mansion was extensively used in mirage, jungle valley, mesa, strand, beach, tower -we used to have "labyrinthine maps. Maybe they make map size multiple quantity? They just aren't very creative and stuck in 1-dimensional thinking
>>567249002It's not my job to design the game for them but i gave several very specific examples - removal of floor clutter, auto doors, and wider hallways in indoor layouts. Do that for a start.Also poe2 was supposed to have combos so why not have some fucking combos instead of restricting the use of skill so much, make them usable with one another? Why cant I cast a spell at my totem to chain off it? Or blow it up? They made those mini totems but they ended up being complete shit - make them not shit. Why are there so few utility skills? No bubble? No force wall. No dummy? Almost every skill in poe2 is identical to their poe1 counterpart except "we made it slow and worse as a joke". It's just shit design
>>567248728I'm doing a lightning spear practice run and you rape mobs the second you get a storm rune and a half decent weapon.>>567249030Nades will be tubbed and balanced around you using the new unique
>>567249084>jungle valley, mesa, strand, beachyeah bro more maps like jungle valley and strand, that'll revive poe 1
>>567249135SO HARD
>>567249135At some point that fucker needs to shut the hell up.
>>567249135>https://x.com/TalkativeTri/status/2055763592704623015Why are you editing Tri's tweets like they already aren't cringe enough?
>>567249630I think the game that lost half of its playerbase needs the revival a tad bit more.
>>567247284And they still go 1/5th the speed of a SC build until endgame because they need to tank up instead of taking exclusively DPS nodes on their 305th Nigger Arrow Deadeye
Mirage was just more of the same thing, killing packs and hyperjuicing maps so that they were filed with mobs. People hated that in Affliction. If only Path of Exile 1 had more interesting league mechanics like TotA or Sanctum, you know something that will shake up the game. Leagues that PoE 1 players really loved.
>>567250198I didn't like affliction because of the gay HP multiplier it gave everything
>>567250198It's pretty obvious that GGG don't want to dedicate resources to those types of leagues. In the past three leagues, we've gotten a league with one single merc in the map, a beta-test of Breach for Poo 2 and Mirage which speaks for itself.
What if we did a rerun of Sentinel (the best league they've ever made)?
>frogs in your presence are converted to pinnacle bosses
Yeah what would really save poe2 is Tempest
>>567249724SOFT hands made this post
>>567245078The more I think about it, the more poo 2's current endgame direction makes more sense to me as a natural evolution of poo 1's endgame. The only interesting development in years has been memories which got turned into astrolabes. A 'quest' where you do like 5 maps in a row and then finish it off with some grand encounter and a reward. You do a couple of those and that's a good sesh.
>>567251304Yeah, they're soft from having been MOISTURIZED in your mom's twat.
>>567252523retard
>>567251218
>>567252652nigger
>cool as fuck ascendancy art implying that Shaman is some sort of earthquake causing, volcano erupting, apocalypse causing spellcaster>one single volcano spell and its fucking useless, only other primal spell is tornado and it also suckswhat the fug man
>>567252929cute art of ds_lily
>>567253006but muh bear sloomsYeah it does feel pretty ass thematically but DAMN is this scotsman tanky
>>567253006Fire spells are generally terrible. Most likely because they’re tied to Marauder, which isn’t in the game yet.
>>567253006tbf he does have the spell apocalypse and that does feel meatier
>>567253006when actual fire spells are in the game, his rage spellcasting nodes will be pretty decent. Also warcries empowering fire spells from the new league could be pretty sweet (if there were any good fire spells)
>>567253339The fucking Rage node being gatekept by % More Spell Damage pisses me off eternally.At least give the Spell Damage Rage node a little Spell Rage on hit, man.
>>567253308Apocalypse is dogshit.>>567253202>>567253339Cope. We have Infernalist in the game and plenty of fire spells. Most of them suck in PoE, too. There is no inherit advantage to using one when shock and freeze exist. Ignite prolif being absolute garbage in Poo 2 doesn't make the issue any better.
>>567253006apoc is where it's atit sucks not getting 2nd stage of adaptation but apoc is so fucking strong on bosses, it's CoC comet but it just triggers every .75 seconds insteadif volcano's channel -> release was actually good then it would be fun to play, like flameblast, but its so tiny and does such shit damage and takes forever to chargei've just been playing tri ele tornado with apoc and it's very chill
>>567253678https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLaZY6It1IAThis looks god awful
n..no...
>>567253202>>567253308>>567253339>>567253678just to be clear im not that other autistic fag losing his shit over thisI have done a thunderstorm apoc build and it was all right. Hopefully shaman is on the changes for 0.5 but frankly i doubt it since druid just came out
>>567253892What a fucking jingakh!
>>567253892>nearly
reminder that the new poe2 league is literally "click on node and spawn mobs in a circle to get the reward"They tried to sneak in all the other stuff as part of the league but that's core content as part of the expedition rework anyway
>>567253853idk what that guy is doing but it looks badI use ice nova for clear, snap + frost bomb + echo + short fuse 2 has zero problem clearing basically anything and maintaining frost infusionsif trash doesn't die to a nova, I drop a tornado on it, it gets bonus from chilled ground and will deal with them and I keep moving forwardoccasionally i'll use a living bomb on a pack, just to keep a fire infusion on me I pop apoc when I see a rare and it's up when stuff doesn't insta die, I need to actually do my vision™ combo, I use freezing mark which has charged mark on it, freeze it with nova, this is already 2 grounds for tornado, but the actual thing that makes tornado deal damage is fire infused ball lightning ignited ball lightning does a substantial amount of ignite dps, which is applied to things in the tornado, ball lightning also hits multiple times which gives lots of glory gen for apoc
>>567254356good
>>567254218>point out the truth of the situation>you're an autistic fag losing your shitVery emotional and low IQ behavior. The fact that fire spells are best played by converting to chaos is sad.
got this on hands of the high templar. anything use all 5?
>>567254356>spawn mobs>kill themthat's literally been all the best poe 1 leagues
>>567253006hopefully the patch buffs volcano it's fun to use but wow it's awful
>>567254356Actually, yeah, Standard will have regular-ass Remnants, but otherwise have everything important in this patch. The hell.
>>567254595>>you're an autistic fag losing your shitCorrect. You could've simply replied to someone and said, "Yeah unfortunately tornado isn't that good and fire spells aren't either so the shaman as a caster isn't good"Instead you went on an autistic rant to every single person who was even tangentially having a generic discussion about it as if fire spells raped and killed your entire family
>>567254753Are you on your period or something? What a little bitch. Go cry somewhere else, faggot.
>>567254596No.
>>567253339>warcries empowering fire spellsI imagine it's literally just the same as slams and deals 30% more damage with 25% increased aoe but I do wonder if it has anything else. ancestral boosted strikes hit 2 additional targets. Would be neat if ancestral boosts for spells are multi-cast.
>>567253339>>567253492Doesn't the rage node functionally do nothing for normal builds though? It's like 10 rage total but you have to spend rage to attack
>>567249135>pastors partner
does the hellhound do decent damage? the ignite aura seems mediocre
>>567249414Are you generating the charges?
>>567253678>have to go through the exposure node (literal meme) to get apocalypseThis feels like a problem Shaman has
there are going to be NUTTY bonded runes in the rune league broskis
>>567254596>>567254839Don't mines count as auras? Maybe flamethrower trap but I don't know if it hits
>>567255538There will be. I remember when Abyss came out it took a week for the general public to realize how busted some of the new omens were
>>567255608Mines do have the aura tag but there's none with the duration tag
>>567255343No, it's used strictly as a means to apply exposure.
>>567255608And guess what Flamethrower TRAP isn't.
2 weeks from now I will have killed the new pinnacle boss and finished my atlas tree.
>>5672558032 weeks from now I will go back to vintage story again
>>567255751Oh my bad lmfao, good point.>>567255660Maybe putting the mine tag on something, no clue but iirc some nutjob tried blade vortex mines at some point right?
>vintage story fag tries not to mention vintage story at every opportunity. Difficulty: impossible
2 weeks from now I'll be finishing act 3
>>567255803Enjoy the blood clots. I'm sure it'll be worth it.
>>567256030meds
>>567255336many such cases in am*rica
https://x.com/Idris_PoE2/status/2055801038494675182https://x.com/Idris_PoE2/status/2055801038494675182https://x.com/Idris_PoE2/status/2055801038494675182H A R DA SF U C K
Could anyone give me a quick rundown on the huntress/ranger and their skill tree path? They and the witch are the only ones I haven’t played yet, and I’m thinking of picking one of them to start in 0.5.
>>567256070How long do you think it will take in /played terms just to do the precursor storyline? They said it was like 30 maps to finish the main precursor story if you can jump into higher tiers right away (which has always been easy). Campaign takes like 10-15 hours and add an extra 5 hours assuming 10 minutes per map (to account for lots of planning, reading atlas passives, and lore reading). Definitely enough time to get a full night's rest and stand up to go get food/take small breaks.
>>567256070>this nigga too poor for a standing desk
>>567256953NTA but I didn't even realize I needed a standing desk to begin with. Gonna order one of these. Only costs like $160 US.
>>567256615>Huntard>RangerJust path through the bottom wheel and up to the monk a bit so that you can get a free 20% movespeed, after go either quiver effect with projectiles or spear shit (with some proj) depending on your build if you want to do lightning spear. If you want to do something else like ignite or zoo build then yeah you'll need something else. As for witch, EDC is the easier league start but you can do arc/spark bloodmage crits pretty easily. It's pretty simply to just go grabbing all the notables of the element you want/crit or all the chaos shit. Avoid spaghettification though, terrible notable
I am using an office desk that is older than me
>>567256421SO HARD RIGHT NOW
anyone else just mace strike until level 30 because they're too lazy to perfect strike
>>567258256hard
ok i'm sold on the twister league startthis is strong and fun
>>567259364they're removing shotgunning, it'll still be fine clear but 0 damage on bosses
>>567259471source?
>>567259653my ass
>>567259726
I am salty that a friend convinced me to give up on racing with twisters huntress in 0.3 after I did a 51 minute geonor after 4 hours its gonna get nerfed this league between the race video + spiritwalker spotlight even if ice tipped arrows really shouldnt work on twisters
>>567259807
>>567259653>adds asecnadancy that gives +20 projectiles>showcases twister with itif you think they dont know and didnt change it far before making that video i feel bad for you
How many sleeps until I can poo 2?
>>567261336poo2 is the final sleepp
poe2 would be more fun and a better game if it had MOBA combat/controls and I am being 100% unironic
>>567261456Shut the fuck up with your MOBA bullshit, nigger. No one wants that. Go play DotA or something.
Whats everyones obsession with spell totems and totems in general I guess? People seem upset in PoE2 that spell totems are apparently ass and the melee totem is ass too. But, I don't think totems could ever be balanced in a way that isn't detrimental. Think about what totems do at a baseline, they cast shit while you aren't and they are separate from you, have their own HP etc. You can't have something like that be extremely good in the game while handcasting is a thing. Because logically, getting something to do all your casting is better naturally than you doing all your casting. I don't know how they ever balance that. What do you think?
>>567261456>MOBA combat/controlsIsn't that literally poe1?
>>567261561I think the main problem is that they're both crap and difficult to use. Having all these charge requirements just to achieve such a pointless result is surely a joke.
Just remembered one of Shaman's nodes gives marginally more damage as extra than the shapeshifting nodes you'll grab anyway, kek
>>567261561they'll be more interesting for combo builds once they nerf all the onebutton shit more
>>567261719I get that but even with charge reqs, they can't ever make totems more damaging than handcasting. I think realistically, people need to consider the QoL that could be provided by totems as their upside. Being able to deal damage while you are moving is quite an upside. So realistically, that damage should NEVER be higher than hand casting. But is that an extreme take?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EhnWvuL-kg
>>567261561>>567261719Totems are completely fine and balanced in 1 because they function more as a DoT archetype than they do a hit-based ones. Totem output is pretty bad compared to your own output, but totems get to DPS all the time. That is the niche, and GGG is gay for making you do retarded shit like generate charges to summon totems or other
>>567261867Yeah and one of shaman's nodes gives you more defense vs elemental damage than half the tree combined. It's a defensive ascendancy, nothing wrong with that.
>>567261939It’s always been that way. Totems have less damage than attacks from the hand.>>567261990The problem with Poe 1 totems is that they simply become free damage for any melee build, so I see why they’re trying to mess around with all this charge business.
>>567261939No, the issue is the QoL doesn't fucking matter when you have to put yourself at risk to trigger your totems or get some charge gen anyway. It's a shit archetype in 2 because it's clunky, has the only function that "occasionally will deal dps" and often takes a lot more investment in 2 than in 1. The quality of life is superb in 1 not having to spamcast wither or divine ire, but it's not like that in 2.
>>567262190>Free damageAs opposed to the free damage of a 14k energy shield homunculus using ephemeral edge and lightning strike or elemental hit?
>>567261575No. MOBAs have a certain game feel and require far more skill than PoE1 because you have to manage multiple resources and use cooldowns effectively, they are far too complex for the average poetard.
>>567262604Play poe2 with click to move
>>567262072Every ascendancy notable should actually be good, and exposure (regular exposure at that) + 10% damage as extra is not at all good
>>567262604Would it be correct to assume that MOBA is derivative of RTS game?
>>567262604I would play minions if I could use RTS controls
>>567261982New kino in town https://youtu.be/yPL0Ycg_CMM
>>567262882mobas are derivative of the rts genre yes, came out of warcraft 3
>>567263169i like that he put all the league mechanic themes in there
Anyone got a spare key? Pretty interested in the game, and wish the price for early access was lower.
>>567266058>begging>on 4chan>for a $30 game
cringe
>>567266058GET A FUCKING JOB LOSER
>>567266645>>567266741declining nation energy
what are we playing in .5, poo2ers?
>>567266058It was literally free for me. Well, if you think having spent $6000+ on PoE 1 since 2013 is free, I mean. Anyway, it's $30. That's nothing. Flip burgers for 1-2 hours and buy it.
>>567269008Infernal flame self damage recoup demon form, likely lightning warp, but I'm open to other spells, we'll see what patch notes brings.
>>567269008Spiritwalker
alri la
>>567269008I was going to play Lightning Spear, but Twister fags are going to ruin the prices of spears. GGG, rape Twister, please.
honestly can't wait to play poo2 for real for the first time, I used to play minions on poo1 long ago and then started playing real builds, maybe I'll do minions once again as my first build, I only play 1 character/league, I'm sure it'll be fine, if I go minions it's the zoospirit new guy
>>567269352the new league looks sick ngl, I'm gonna main poo2 for a bit from the 29thbored of warframe, d2, marathon, poo1 and eso now
I really hate these tax nodes on ascendancies you have to take to get the good node. It especially feels like shit when running through the campaign and have to go through another act to actually get a good ascendancy node.
Just ate Subnautica 2 in one bite. Where's 0.5?
>>567269008Pathfinder so I can have the maximum WASD for my WASD.
has anyone actually ever done an infernal flame build? ive seen literally no one use it.
>>567269008i want to do melee but melee in this game sucks so fucking bad. hoping that they make mace skills much faster at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd2UmEzBXM4>wah wah campaign in poe2 is too long>meanwhile 3.5h campaignstop complaining
>>567269907you can find a bunch of recoup setups that use it to maintain high stacks of demon form on youtube
>>567270010stale bait
>>567270095>bait>with literal video proofyou are beyong saving
>>567270113post your time instead of someone who spends hundreds of hours in the last month alone running campaign. This isn't going to stop gamer dads from getting burnt out no matter how many times you spam it.
>>567270185dont move the goalpost
yall cr*ckas ever mess with whirling assault/gathering storm? is titan or pathfinder the moveski
>>567270197concession accepted>>567270217titan for fat AoE
I took 3 days doing the campaign during the free time last league but I was paying attention to the story, this time I'll do it in 8 to 10 hours
>>567270410Oh YEAH well I'll do it in 11 hoursBEAT THAT
>>567270649That'll be only 10.5 hours with the reworked zones. The campaign is saved!
>>567233487GuyThatDies is a walking disaster incoming btw y’all should keep an eye on himHe’s started beef with Sarge and Angormus already over them making fun of his paywalled stuff on youtube and calling twisters the best speedrun build in the game, so he banned them from his channel, now he’s tweeting aggressively at JungI know a lot of PoE creators are against paywalling (and for sure some are for but they will remain coy about it until it becomes normalized) but GuyThatDies is full paid mod mentality why should I work for free. He’s also in a group with some high level PoE 2 content creators (mirror tier) they made a youtube channel recently I wonder if thats their attempt to monetize some guides. Regardless he just gives off that disaster vibe, I know people like Rue will start getting involved and start bullying him. Kinda feel bad for him because its so predictable and he doesnt seem able to tell, like an autistic kid
>>567271073How the fuck do you find the time to keep up with this retarded streamer drama?
>>567271178a lot of people enjoy sucking streamers dicks
>>567271178I only saw he started beef with Sarge since I watch Sarge so I looked into him a bit after that, thats it. I just saw the tweet in the thread aimed at Jung, its not like I stalk him
>>567271073he's australian what do you expect
>>567271073>I know a lot of PoE creators are against paywallingI am NOT defending paywalling, but it just so happens that most of them are on the payroll of maxroll/mobalytics, which makes people go through the humiliation ritual of visiting those shit sites just to find a pobb.in. So they're not exactly moral high grounders.
>>567269328Oh fuck me I forgot about that, I wanted to go back and play LS again this league too. It's so satisfying to use, I wish spells felt the same.
Just looking at those heatmaps, obviously a lot of people picking crit so the top right is lit up a lot. People want/need crits so why the frick are the majority of them is that one section? That alone limits builds, encourages certain class choices. Merc for example has barely any crit anywhere nearby. Simply put some more crit nodes in the other sections and that itself would pull people in other directions than top right all the time
>>567272227Well it makes sense because critical strikes should be tied to stabby weapons like arrows, daggers, spearsBecause those are the weapons you can pinpoint in critical weaknesses like the throat or whatever weak spot a monster has
i need s+++++ 0.5 starter right after the patch notes you hear me
>>567272528frostswords gladiator
>>567272476Saying you wouldn't be able to crit hit someone with a crossbow right in the lungs? Anyway its a game not real life. If everyone needs crit and one side of the tree has all the crit thats gay. I mean yeah you can get some crit as a merc, you can even get +80% crit damage in one node (-15% attack speed!). Fuckers.
>>567272716I know its a game and not real life im just giving you the 99% chance reason its so common on the right but not the left. You have to remember Jonathan explicitly said theres ton of movement speed on the right becaue rangers are meant to be quick and agile, and warriors are meant to be slow and powerful
>>567272782Yeah but even if that is there thinking, its still badly implemeted, they are both fast and powerful because they got all the movement speed and all the crit. I'm just suggesting an obvious adjustment that would encourage people to use lesser used parts of the tree, put some fuckin crit there why you even arguing
>>567269008OSRS
>>567272905NO you can have +40% damage / -5% attack speed and like it!
>only 267 piss breaks to releasewhich content creator will be outed as a creep and banned for league launch day this time?
>>567272227You also have to consider which part of the tree is the most fleshed out, the whole left side has a lineup of 4/5 weapons missing, a few classes too. It's a no brainer that people would focus on the other side of the tree as it is more developed.
>>567272905Im not arguing because i think its correct bro i always felt crit was badly implemented in both games
>>567273169Quin after he snaps because his wife is clearly an abusive golddigging bitch.
>>567273279>>567273169He hasn't been banned in a while has he? He's due one. He also uses PoE2 as more of a drama farm anyway it would be perfect.
>>567273279On a streamer tangent it really seems like he actually lives in his streaming shed. Like he sleeps in there. In a separate building to his wife and family.
You should straight up not be allowed to have more than 25% crit chance. That means every 4th hit you do crits. You can still scale crit damage bonus, whatever, but the chance to crit should be hard capped, because it makes no sense that every hit you deal is a critical strike, you dont even notice when you critically strikeGarukhans unironically is a step in the right direction
>>567273279i thought that was part of the script for 1.0 when he moves into a new cuckshed permanently after getting served
>>567273169rue for the fifth time
>>567273358He does. He's been doing that for years because his stream start time is 3 AM New Zealand.
>>567273376A crit chance is an abstracted way of saying that you hit an organ rather than a flesh wound. If I'm shooting someone with a crossbow theres a pretty good chance I would hit something important. Torso is jam-packed wth organs. A mace could smash someone's brain in one hit, or crush their chest.
>>567273687Thats only true for the bolts, not the grenades, and its not even true for all bolt skills, like that plasma blast shit
Another way to do it would be diminishing returns where it requires more points investment to increase crit the highr you go, like threshholds you have to meet to get to the next level of crit. But yeah there should be some more spread about in the tree, or the raw damage increases in low crit areas should be a viable alternative WITHOUT reduced attack speed you fucks
>>567273279>Quinthe most annoying faggot there is>loud = funnyno just no
>>567273669Thats kinda weird. Why the fuck would you be with someone and sleep in a different building. Why is he getting up to stream at 3am, you could do it at any time you wanted. WTF is wrong with him
which archetype in poo2 makes strong builds that don't require a lot of currency? like RF in poo1 for example
>>567274115Bows
>>567274141it's always bows with this creatively bankrupt company, huh
my dad sleeps in a different room because my mom snores and mumbles
>>567274221Its Jonathons favorite weapon
>>567274115crossbows and minions
Im watching Tuadh leveling Spark right now in campaign, i thought that shit was ZDPS without flame wall but nah it slaps even from early campaign
>>567274094>Why is he getting up to stream at 3am, you could do it at any time you wanted. WTF is wrong with him$$$
>spark>flame wallcampaign-tier skills in poo1
>>567274094He has a bunch of kids and takes his job seriously, despite being a professional clown.If you examine successful people, they all do this and have always done this. You can call Quin a lot of things but a failure isn't one of them.
>>567274313>minions>strongLMAO
did they change something or did I get really lucky? Got both these at level 8
>>567274423>"successful" people are emotionless and neglectful ghoulsmany such cases
>>567274437Exalts have been dropping like candy for a while now.
I don't like how most currency things you can find ONLY work on certain thingsWhy do I keep getting essences that can only be used on staves/wands and runes that can only be used on helms and idols that can only be used on sceptres/fociIt's fucking annoying, I can't keep track of what can go on where
>>567274094Do you know what timezones are? What kind of viewership do you think he would get streaming at NZ primetime hours, aka while the rest of the world sleeps.
gaza tv has a 30 minute video yapping about spirit walker minions, it has more views than all the shit he made last 6 months, I guess people are excited to play
>>567274542They said they wanted to simplify essences from PoE 1 to not have 12 lines on each each essence confusing new players
>>567274423He and Abby spend money like complete morons. I wonder when debt will take them.
>>567274475Just because he doesn't stream his interactions with his kids (very intelligent, NEVER DO THIS) doesn't mean they don't happen, no-object-permanence kun.
>>567274568Well they only made it more complicated cause now I have to remember which one goes where
>>567274554What would be the biggest audience? US? 3am in NZ is 11 am in US, are there a lot of people in US watching streams from 11am? I would have thought evening times would be more.
>>567274428https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/vaalhc/?timemachine=day-2
>>567274629Yeah sure maybe he spends time with kids. But he doesn't sleep with his wife. HE lives in ANOTHER BUILDING ENTIRELY. Thats weird.
>>567274437+20-30% rarity is nuts in acts
>>567274683He is catering to US hours, yes. He established his streaming schedule years ago when he was playing WoW and D3. I guess that's the time he needed to be active then because that's when raids and shit were happening because he was playing with Americans, and now it's stuck.
>>567274849It was in 0.1 and beginning of 0.2 its not any longer after that mid league patch in 0.2Every character now has a hidden +100% item rarity by default. So before 20% rarity in campaign would take you from 0 to 20% rarity, not it takes you from 100% to 120% rarity
>>567274791So? He clearly has done repeatedly already since he's sired several progeny.I get that people who haven't been in long term relationships might find that odd but it's really not.You don't need to fuck every day, particularly when there are kids around.You can actually leave your wife alone for five minutes and come back and she's still there.All you have to do is appear when you're summoned; chat abby needs me today was a day.
>>567197771I hate it, but I also acknowledge that it's doing its job of filtering out the beansissy dadgamers who want to pay money to skip everything and get handed a level 80 character or whatever.
>>567274997I'm not talking about sex, obviously that is occuring to have 5 kids. I'm saying literally just sleeping together in the same bed is a part of being with someone, and its weird to be with someone and not only not sleep in the same bed, but live in another building entirely. They basiclly have two houses and don't actually live together
I didn't realize recoup was changed to 8 seconds in PoE2 instead of 4 seconds wtfIs this shit just garbage for a defence now?
>>567274997>You can actually leave your wife alone for five minutes and come back and she's still there with Tyrone.Fixed it for the american crowd.
>>567275137recoup was never good even in poo1
>>567274976sauce?
>>567275238Negative rarity farmer discord, trust me, its been tested thoroughly
>>567275098That might be how you imagine it but they clearly see eachother every day.What I think is that couples who can't do this are probably deficient or codependent in some way.
>>567275160You know he actively gets blacked cuck TTS thrown at him every day and he sits there like a good little boy and takes it, right?
>>567274694minion builds are all homosexual in poo2, why can't they simply make a 'necromancer that raises spooky skeletons' build strong and viable?
>>567275295The majority of couples, long term, married etc, will sleep in the same bed. Or at least live together in the same house. Maybe if theres excessive snoring like some guy mentioned they might sleep separately, but thats an exception. Ask anyone you know that is married or together for a long time, they will live together, they will sleep in same bed. A married couple with kids living in two different buildings on the same site is a fucking weird situation.
stop talking about streamers, retard
>>567274694
>>567275430Skeletal snipers are alright, frost and lightning mages aren't bad. It's sad that GGG raped arsonists so hard. Spectres are just stronger mechanically though and will almost always overshadow them.
Minions were one of those archetypes the kept mentioning would be done better in PooE2 and hyped that shit up constantly. But they kept the guy who hates minions on the payroll so he kept sabotaging and fucking everything up. The fact they started off slow as shit and couldn't walk through doorways was retarded as all fuck. From Arsonists to whatever spectres were decent was pure accident. Fucking temporary zombies LOL that only work with power charges. Goddamn retards.
>>567275631i played 0.4s? ant minion buildthat was sweet
>>567275332>and he sits there like a good little boy and takes itAnd he gets paid a lot to sit there like a good little boy and take it.
Need them patch notes, theres at least two different chaining technologies still present I need to know if they have realised yet
>>567275631>But they kept the guy who hates minions on the payrollyea his name is jonathan, he runs the company.
>>567275447I reckon they're both light sleepers and rather than wake eachother up on odd schedules they've arrived at a situation that works for them.You used to see this a lot more 40 plus years ago, men would work long hours and sleep on the couch rather than wake their wife up getting up at 4am.This idea that you MUST share a bed is a symptom of modernity and insecurity.His clown careers going great and there's no signs of martial problems. There's no smoke so why insist there's a fire?
>quin marital discussion still goingZaggie, leak something, please
>>567275137has to be bad because of chronomancer or something
>>567275669His TTS is cheap and he'll ban people for calling him a clown but not even protest when Tyrone is fucking Abby. Completely cooked sense of dignity.
>>567275137Its good with a setup, with Sacrosanctum and recoup nodes you become basically immortal
recovery is so raped in Poo 2 that the new mediocre, life flask chest actually seems appealing
>>567275804Its not that you MUST share a bed. Snuggling is the best part of being with someone. If you're not doing that then its just a waste of having a gf or wife. Besides, its not just sleeping separately, its whole separate building. They have a different house each. He's living like a single guy and visiting his wife and kids for a few hours a day or something. I mean he himself calls it the cuckshed
>>567275974just admit you hate having to pay attention while playing
>>567275974Thats how it should be. Recovery should be something you invest in. Did you ever see how cooked recovery is with mines in PoE 1? You need to take some shitty gloves to solve it
>>567276096>>567276096>>567276096
>>567276016Sure thing, zaccers.
>>567276006Nah it's not.You're like a foid with skin hunger and projecting wildly. You know nothing of the professional clown cuckshed dweller psyche.
bread gone
>>567281050why
Fuckers
poe general bad
Someone hid a tub in the opNo tub allowed
>>567281453Where was the tub
>>567281552in the op
niGGGer janny
>>567274094He needs viewers, quin's stream is called asmongoloid's waiting room for a reason. That's why he reacts to the most dogshit youtube videos there are for 3 hours until asmongoloid starts his stream
Quin admitted the other day he doesn't believe in love, its just a marriage of convenience, a breeding partner
Quin sucked my dick at the last exilecon
>>567282121Part of Quin's success as a streamer is he can say things like this to utterly incense any foids watching whilst also being awful at video games.He's incredibly talented.
>>567282121he's admitted this for years
Aboba
Just bake the next thread on the 29th.
D4 won.
>>567282121>>567282186>>567282225You worship a jew
>>567283260Sure do.Christ is the way and the life, amen brother.
goodbye y'allguess we migrate to d4g
>y'all
Me?I killed /poeg/
>>567282785whenever patch notes comes
>>567274437Guaranteed drops from temple chests
>>567283709quin on the left
>>567266058Where were you half a year ago when I got told to fuck off with my free keys...I already gave it all away to people who might not even play PoE2...
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