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Best mage Himiko! I hope you all have a wonderful day! For those of you posting about how much you love your waifu or husbando I have a message for you They love you too
Eva Tsunaka is a CUTE femcel
>>567208473>They love you tooI wish this was true, but in actuality my dangan would hate me.
>>567208689My cock could have saved her bros...
Coming soon... Any day now...
>>567208642I do not trust /drg/ writing a PEG school mode. Especially not Mark and Desmond.
Reminder Kazuichi will survive 2x2
>>567208974God I hope not
She Kum in my Tantei til I slaughter her old school.
What if Nagito was called Nigato and he was black?
>>567208825C&C
>STILL no release date2x2 delayed, 2x2 releasing in japan first so that the internet is flooded with spoilers, 2x2 is releasing only in japan, 2x2 cancelled, 2x2 released by netflix, 2x2 bought by saudis, despair eternal
>>567208612Would Makoto dump Kyoko for billions of dollars from sugar daddy Togami?
>>567208973It's ok, I'm normal.
>>567208973>Mark's FTEs*heavy breathing*Damon... do you think you can help me get Toshiko's panties... I think she'd let you have them if you asked...>Desmond's FTEsShieeet, yo Damon! Did you hear me hittin' that PAWG last night? 'Til the wallpaper peels, my man! Stay with it, cuh.
>>567209086She garden my Eden til I project
>>567209330Kek, but you forgot Mark being wasted on drugs and freaking out when you go try to do the FTEs with Jett.
>>567209330>>567209498We are making SF so mad right now bros
>>567209234I hope it never releases because I only expect a hit piece on Chiaki. Hundred line was shit, Rain Code was shit, the fanservice game was shit. 2x2 will be no different. We live in the age of washed up hacks being hailed as savants. And it will take danganronpa 2 to be ruined for people to realize this.
Eva killed Wolfgoon because of a hidden event they didn't finish yet where he tries to be less of a douche and bond with Eva and Damon by showing them his doujin collection then says 177013 reminds him a bit of Eva and also the name Leon for some reason.
What's stopping Eva from raping Damon in his sleep?
>>567209863Being dead.
>>567209863Kai kept getting there before her.
goodnight /drg/
>>567209852This just made Kaito sound extremely based
>>567209852I like how the creator of this was scared to imply any kind of relationship between Akane and Nekomaru.
>>567209818Hundred Line was good.
>>567209852Cook that loser
>>567209852Everything you said about Kaito is based. Also, if you mess up in trial 5 when Akane mentions a front tail, she confirms she saw Nekomaru's penis and also says she thinks Nagito has a small penis.
>>567209852Nekomaru is one of the least gay DR2 characters because of Akane
>>567209852Some points on Nekomaru could apply to Kaito as well
>>567210454I like the attempt to experiment but the game was a colossal waste of time. And R07 can't write for shit anymore. Just admit it.
>>567210180Really makes you wonder who made it.Oh well, I guess we'll never know.
>>567210987>"this game has 100 endings!">"that sounds extremely intriguing... but there's no way they can pull that off.">game comes out>there was in fact no way they could pull that off
>>567210987The experiment is over. Time to revive Distrust.
>>567209852Do you know where you are? Also no wonder MF hates Kaito lmao, this jusz makes me like Kaito more, I didn't know he was canonically a homophobe and transphobe
>>567210459I know you made that, NidaibroIt's too obvious
>>567210629Deadly wrong. Unless you are a weirdo, only an animal would be attracted to another animal>>567211181>>567211486Believe me I would absolutely LOVE to have done this>>567211469I bet you run with scissors in the street too. You are WILD man!!!
>>567208973I would support it.
>>567211513>mental instability brings people togetherYeah, as fangan fans.
>>567211469They are not very explicit details of his character. He gets uncomfortable around guys acting gay like Shuichi telling him to take off his clothes or Korekiyo's whole personality and calls Korekiyo slurs in Japan.
>>567211687>calls Korekiyo slurs in Japan.Fucking BASED???
>>567211670the cynic in me says they get groomed for a reason
>>567211687Yet he won't fuck Maki either? What's his deal?
>>567209863Diana intercepting by trying to "fix her" with her strap.
Which danganronpa character would fw limp bizkit?
>>567211824He was raised by his grandparents, no sex until marriage
>>567211872Leon and Ibuki
>>567209037Your hope is built upon evil.
>>567211824Maki wants to finger her boyfriend with her weird fingersbest not to try your luck>>567211872def Leon
SF cucks her bf with DD
>Wanting a fictional story to play out a certain way is "evil"This is the same line of reasoning that leads to wanting to kill people who disagree with you politically btw
>>567212357Where's the problem with that?
>>567211824Maki wouldn't let him for most of the game.
>>567212357>Despair is evil, mmkay~I think hope is a little MORE evil, keehee~
>>567212010Kaito can't stop getting more and more based.
Happy Ougoku Saturday!
>>567212357Soudafag is your classic cali libtard wyte woman who for some reason has wandered onto here and stayed. How and why? I wouldn't know
>>567209852I wonder why whoever made this missed Kaito's most glaring flawAlso the fact he keep trying to slack around on the workout he set himself
>>567212817Hope and despair are cyclical. That's why for humanity to break out of its current corruption and rot, we must go through a great and dramatic ordeal. Out of the ashes, the next generation will rise to unimaginable heights.
>>567213167Junko you asshole we both know that's not true and you just want everyone to wallow around in torture dungeonsNagito's the shitheel who claims that
>>567211292The 100 endings was always a meme, but the real killing blow was the cast. I never got the sense these were good or deep characters and no effort was made to make any of them interesting besides the villain dude. Even when some of them, like the glasses girl, were deeply connected to the plot I felt no attachment to her. Kodaka used to be really good at this stuff. Making me care about a person. A real shame. I'd play Hundred like if it had DR2's cast because I actually care about what happens to most of them.
He's a good boy.
Boy, oh boy.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000002900707/youtube-video-retribution.html
>>567213609HL has a DR1 cast when it needs a DR2 or V3 cast
>>567214181So weird that he was only 22 and thought it was over.
>>567214328I enjoyed Mikan using a normal voiceAll the chapter 3 culprits have really good VAs, basically the only redeeming part of their dogshit chapters
The big Zooz
>>567214301That's an insult to Kyoko, Togami, Toko, Chihiro and Celeste.
>>567214301What does that mean
Bros...
>>567214305A decade ago it was a different time. It's common now for guys to be virgins, but back then it was a rarity. A bunch of stuff has changed culturally since the "ultimate gentleman" passed from our world, we just don't notice because of the technological stagnation.
>>567214301I doubt any of those frauds compare to CHADotaka and KINGfumi.
>>567214509fucking hate that guy
>>567214181Imagine being your grown age still posting corny edgy shit
>>567209234If 2x2 is released by Netflix that means Peko will ditch Fuyuhiko to become a strong independent woman. You cannot convince me this is a negative whatsoever.
>>567214181Imagine peak comedy only here at your grown age.
>>567215314Drydick post
>>567215170>>567215314Imagine imagining LMAO couldn't be me
>>567214729>Kyoko>Tokowhat the fuck are these pieces of garbage doing in this "good THH character" listreplace them with Hifumi and Taka
>>567215397Potential Men. Only liked by anti Trial 3 slopmongers.
>>567214779meaningless babble because he has no actual criticism
>>567215537What the fuck does THAT mean
>>567215349We all have drydicks down here.
>>567215397It seems your bad taste is terminal
>>567214181He looks like a looksmaxer of current day
>>567214779>DR1 castmid>DR2 and DRV3 castgood
>>567215397I like both and Hifumi and Taka. Taka is my all time favorite Dangan.>>567215537You used 3 different buzzwords in one post. What brainrot have to been watching?
>>567215684That boy needs therapyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLrnkK2YEcE
>>567215740>disliking a boring cringe unfunny cliche mary sue is garbage taste
>>567215430She will survive
>>567216197>She's a Mary Sue because... she's relevant to the plot!
>>567215537>>567215684>>567215946There's a common consensus in YT reddit ect. that every chapter 3 in danganronpa is godawful garbage that's completely irredeemable. If you watch any ranking of trials all 3 are near the bottom. Always.Chapter 3 of 2 and V3 are pretty good so the redditards are just parroting somebody elses opinion.
Toko is pretty much what I imagine as the ultimate /drg/ character, yet I always see seethe about her.
>>567209852I don't hate Kaito but I don't think it's very healthy how much people worship him or Kamina as some ideal of masculinity. It's actually kind of incredible how Nekomaru manages to be very masculine without falling into the trap of being a retarded macho who thinks he can just tough his way out through any trauma and so should everyone, but I guess that's because he was created as a secondary character without much realistic depth.
>>567216373>She's a Mary Sue because... she's always the smartest person in the room and figures everything out because she's the smartest and smugly talks down to people who are wrong and faces no consequences for her flaws
>>567215256That one marketing head at Spike Chunsoft that hates Fuyuhiko and blacklists him from the merch...
>>567216684>every chapter 3 is godawful garbage that's completely irredeemableAce Attorney fans send their regards.
>>567216820When does she smugly talk down to people who are wrongSeems more like how you felt about her then how she actually treated other characters
>>567216820I thought we were talking about Kyoko
>>567216870I don't hate Fuyuhiko, I hate Peko not being allowed to be her own character. >>567216197If Kyoko was a Mary Sue she wouldn't need Makoto at all.
>>567216684It's true though. Chapter 3 of DRV3 is the only chapter 3 I liked and that is because they realized that chapter 3 is a meme and so went all out in making Korekiyo mental.
>>567216684>Chapter 3 of 2 and V3 are pretty goodIt's the opposite. 1-3 is the least bad because it does the least amount of character derailment. Hifumi's and Celestia's reveals make sense, unlike Mikan's and Korekiyo's nonsense.
>>5672166841-3 is really an extremely bad case though.2-3 is more enjoyable but it still isn't exactly good. It's hard carried by the events leading up BEFORE the murder, like Hiyoko's memorial, Fuyuhiko's atonement, the precautions taken for Despair Disease, etc.The crime itself, motive, and trial is extremely shit.>>567216875This is so true.
3-3 is good
>>567216820A Mary Sue is a self-insert for the writer or the audience, NOT a character that's hyper-competent.Kyoko is not a self-insert for the female reader. She is the sexy detective girl that only you truly understand. That's the appeal.You are attacking a character that's meant to pander to you.
Teruteru has some good and really wholesome interactions when he's not being a sex pest
>>567217457I disagree with the other guy but no, a Mary Sue doesn't have to a self-insert and vice versa.
>>567216934She talks down to Byakuya for his preconcieved notions and beliefs in 1-4 despite being one of the worst people to do so since she does all the same shit he does, she just happens to be right. It should have been Makoto or Hina.>>567217017At least Byakuya is funny sometimes and gets bitten in the ass a lot.>>567217020>I actually figured out but I need Makoto to tell everyone for me because reasons.Besides 1-6 where she contributes almost nothing because she's bored I guess this isn't true.
>1-3Watch the stage play instead. >2-3Despair disease was dumb. They should have just let Mikan actually snap and kill Hiyoko out of vengeance while using that to drop hints the cast may not have been good people the whole time. >V3-3Funniest trial of all time. Love it.
>Kyoko>mary sue>yet fucks niggersOkay.
Why are we still talking about PEG in this general?
>>567217725Qrd on this anon? Is he a Kyokofag with a fetish, a Sayakafag or a third party?
>>567217810None of the above. It's an off-topic spammer that needs to be hanged.
>>567217619She needs Makoto to trust her during 1-5 and she repays that trust in 1-6>>567217810It's not a Sayakafag because he shits on Sayaka too whenever he isn't getting banned for spamming BBC
>>567217457>A Mary Sue is a self-insert for the writer or the audience, NOT a character that's hyper-competent.A Mary Sue is a character that's hyper competent and whose flaws don't matter.Kyoko almost gets Makoto killed because she kept everything to herself?Thankfully Alter Ego asspulls and saves him and he immediately forgives her so there is no friction.That's also her one flaw. She does nothing else wrong (other than be a bitch which Makoto and frankly everyone else does not care about) besides maybe being unable to think of her dad's password which is also a problem immediately solved and irrelevent in the same scene it's introduced in.
What the fuck even is a Mary Sue?We should probably agree on a definition before continuing to pretend to be retarded.
>>5672171931-3 is bad because of how they squandered Celestes character. But I do like the whole murder setup. Celeste came off too obvious. That's the issue.Mikan and Kiyo were not this obvious and their trials were better for it.
>>567217985pet peeve is how the term was originally about self-inserts (which would make it most applicable to Tsumugi from the meta POV of v3) but came to just mean an OP female character
Chiaki is a mary sue
>>567217985> >>567218129
>>567217942>She needs Makoto to trust her during 1-5 and she repays that trust in 1-6More like she sacrifices Makoto on the altar because she was too much of a bitch to trust everyone with the info she found and thankfully he lucks out. Then she atones by taking a needless risk by jumping down the trash chute when she could just go down the ladder to get him. Thankfully Makoto holds nothing against her because they're best buddies.
I haven't played it, but didn't someone say a few threads ago that Raincode avoided the chapter 3 curse by labeling it chapter 0, 1, then 2 then the numbered chapter 3 was bad? 2x2 should just do what elevators do and skip the number 3 like they skip the number 13.
>>567217985Term originating from people riffing on self-insert Star Trek fanfiction in which the protagonist is perfect and pretty and makes everybody swoon over her. Now it's pretty much an insult for any competent woman that the person using it dislikes
Realistically Makoto would not get Kyoko, he's 5'3 for crying out loud
>>567218118Yup, definitions run so wide that it often picks up a lot of characters most non-pedants would agree aren't Mary Sues.Video because I'm bored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-GIY9RTqU
>>567217985>A Mary Sue is a character that's hyper competent (moreso than everyone else) and whose flaws don't matter.That's the definition I use.Mary Sue self-inserts are a thing because power fantasy writers typically make their self-inserts hyper competent and with zero real flaws.
>>567217762"Why why why why why"
>>567218404They're Japanese. Japanese people are tiny. 5'3 is like basketball player height to them.
>>567217985Originally "Mary Sue" was a parody of self-inserts.I'm using the correct definition, though in recent years Mary Sue has been used to call call out any character that's hyper-competent and faces no consequences. These overlap but are not the same thing.Kyoko is not a self-insert for females. She's far too anti-social and aloof and distrusted by the cast to be one. If she was a Mary Sue, Monokuma, Junko and everyone else would be praising her as the smartest girl around. Which they don't iirc
>>567218389>which the protagonist is perfect and pretty and makes everybody swoon over herKyoko is practically perfect and pretty and Makoto does in fact swoon over her.
>>567218601This is why japs love ntr and cuckholding
>>567217995Mikan wasn't obvous because the logistics of her murder are screwed up, and Kiyo was extremely obvious.>but le red herring... is le truth!Also known as the worst twist ever, you will not convince me this is fun whatsoever.Then again I'm biased because Korekiyo was my favorite guy, but even if this happened to a character I don't care much about like Kiyotaka or some shit I imagine I'd still hate it.>>567217985To me it means a character who doesn't struggle throughout the story. That's it. "Character without flaws" is a faulty definition because someone like Junko in the 3 anime does technically have what would be considered the "flaw" of insanity but it never causes her any meaningful struggles (I don't consider Junko a Mary Sue in the original but she is one in the 3 anime because the past side is pretty much the story of her effortlessly beating and outplaying everyone because she's the smartest).The "character without consequences" is also just stupid because you can use that to complain about any mundane action not having consequences (why wasn't Makoto seriously injured for the rest of the game after Mondo punched him?? is he a MARY SUE???)Therefore, Mary Sue is a character who never, at any point, seriously struggles throughout the story. That might seem like a needlessly narrow definition but it does actually work.>>567218407Also I used to watch this girl until I realized she's not really qualified to talk about tropes because she barely watches or reads anything. Her videos usually have like 2 or 3 examples at best and most of it are just her headcanons on how she THINKS the trope works based on cultural osmosis.
>>567218656>and distrusted by the cast to be onedoes it matter if nothing ever comes of this if Makoto takes it like a bitch and everyone else is irrelevant? Byakuya taking her key literally benefits her by exposing a hole in Junko's dumbass plan
>>567218823It's because they're scared of commitment. They have low breeding rates.
If Kirigiri is not a mary sue because she is not likeable, what about Nanami? She is perfect in every sense and all the characters love her.
All the Mary Sue shit got old fast when it turned out people love Mary Sues if they're a Korean aurafarming guys.
>>567218303You wouldn't trust Byakuya, Toko, or Yasuhiro with your life either after knowing them for a couple of weeks.
>>567218823But I'm not Japanese
>>567219094Who?
>>567218867>The "character without consequences" is also just stupid because you can use that to complain about any mundane action not having consequences (why wasn't Makoto seriously injured for the rest of the game after Mondo punched him?? is he a MARY SUE???)This unironically is foreshadowing for Mondo's major consequence. His short temper and the fact he punches others without thinking is literally why both he and Chihiro die. It also has immediate consequences in Makoto being short on info. Finally, it's not an important scene.You'd think Kyoko sacrificing Makoto would be an important part of their relationship but she has the common decency to fish him out of the trash pit so no harm done!
>>567217193>>5672179951-3 did everyone except Hifumi dirty. Taka has one of the worst written deaths in the series imo. At least the worst used victim.
>>567218359The first chapter is called Chapter 0 even though it's effectively a full-length chapter. It's dumb
>It's not importantI have arbitrarily decided the entire game is not important, therefore every character is a mary sue
>>567219425They were trying to cheat the curse for one more good chapter.
>>567219235Makoto is okay with that. You're like the fat friend who says "she's not interested!"
>>567219224Solo Leveling, anime from a few seasons ago, whose entire gimmick is that the main character is the only living person being allowed to increase his RPG-like stats, who proceeds to effortlessly shit on every monster he faces from that point onward. People lapped this shit up and considered him the coolest guy ever. And they didn't even care about the "always calm and in control part" because the only moment people were sour on him was when he was crying because his mom was ill or something like that.
>>567218876You're blaming a lot of the bad writing on one character. As I've said I don't see how she's a Mary Sue because the cast doesn't worship her and she does fail without Makotos help. Her appeal is to be the sexy detective girl for you, the MC. That's my only argument. I don't remember DR1 well enough to discuss the actual plot, sorry.>>567219038Nanami is also a sexual fantasy for obvious reasons. And you could make the case she's a Mary Sue IF she had lived and not died. Mary Sues don't die. They don't lose.
>>567219038>>567219728Isn't Chiaki being a mary sue kind of the point? She's a computer program intended to guide the cast and the Ultimate Gamer in what's kind of a video game within a video game. I get though that it being the point doesn't make it good.
>>567217978>Kyoko almost gets Makoto killed because she kept everything to herselfsounds like a flaw to me
>>567219728Chiaki came back to save Hajime again in the last trial since she's a program and couldn't truly die, so I guess she counts?
>>567219038Chiaki isn't a Mary Sue imo because while she doesn't have many flaws she isn't jerked off by the plot nor is she extremely competent compared to everyone else. Also helps that she has likable traits unlike Kyoko. She is almost borderline though.>>567219492No, the Mondo punching Makoto strawman is not important. It is a cute little bit of foreshadowing and device to end the scene.>>567219556Makoto being the nicest guy ever does not stop Kyoko from being obnoxious.>>567219728>You're blaming a lot of the bad writing on one character.I can and will blame a tumor of the bad writing cancer.>she's a Mary Sue because the cast doesn't worship her Makoto does, Aoi likes her, and the rest of the end-game cast is Byakuya and two worthless vermin. >and she does fail without Makotos helpExactly once in an important manner in 1-5 with no consequences and then less so in 1-6 also with no consequences.
I love my gorgeous wife!
>>567220325It would be if anything came with it. It's practically dressing because it's forgiven immediately by the plot itself thanks to O MY ALTER EGO
Sounds like Alter Ego is more of a mary sue to me by your logic.
>>567220508>two worthless vermin.rude but kek
>>567220218>>567220463I mean, Chiaki being a Sue would be fine by me because her being one is very plot relevant.A Mary Sue is like a god among men pretending to be a regular girl. Chiaki gets called out on being perfect, because she's a robot. The deception is taken away. And she dies because she was never real.So even if she's a Sue, I don't see it as a bad thing.
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>>567219235You can criticize how underwhelming Makoto's reaction is, but it's not because "every character needs to have le consequences to their actions". Consequences is too vague of a term to apply reasonably to this, and if you really wanted, you could nitpick the hell out of any scene for not making the story divert in a completely different direction to show off "le consequences".>>567219038Chiaki is not a mary sue because she fucking dies, that's pretty apparent. Without that, you could make a case, but DR's premise is such that her being trapped in a killing game already shows she's not hyper-competent at everything.You actually reminded me of yet another Mary Sue definition I disagree with, "character liked by everybody but the villain" as if every character needs to fullfill some sort of rival quota in the story. Is Ibuki a Mary Sue because no one in the class dislikes her?
>>567219728>Mary Sues don't die. They don't lose.I remember reading that the cliche was that Mary Sues always die heroically.
>>567220790>I want to help! I'll take the risk!>*fucking dies*Not very Mary Sue-esque. Mary Sue Alter Ego would fake his death, then save Makoto, and then survive past that point.
>>567221041That was probably some guy coping that some character he hated ended up being too well-written to write off as a Mary Sue so he expanded the definition.
>>567220921>You can criticize how underwhelming Makoto's reaction is, but it's not because "every character needs to have le consequences to their actions".Every character doesn't need to have a consequence to their actions but I personally feel like it's shit writing if a character has obnoxious traits and faces no real comeuppance for them nor needs to change for the better.
>>567220895>>567220218AI Chiaki was canonically based on a real person
>>567221041Females don't have the desire to die heroically the way men do. It's more of a Gary Stu thing.
>>567221042>Mary Sue Alter Ego would fake his death, then save Makoto, and then survive past that point.Isn't that literally what happened?>"Dies" in chapter 4>Saves Makoto in chapter 5>Contributes to the Neo-world program in DR2
>>567221234Kyoko does need to change for the better though, she says as much when she comes to rescue Makoto.
>>567221192No, that actually happened even in the original story where the term comes from >>567218656
If Chiaki is a Mary Sue, I'd say nagito is a gary stu.
>>567221312In DR1 you're lead to believe Alter Ego was dead for real and he doesn't appear for the rest of the game.>>567221343Fucking where does that actually happen? She doesn't do anything beyond pay the concept of trusting others lipservice.
>>567221241The game came out before the anime. The anime is a can of worms I don't wanna get into but Chiaki in that definitely feels like a Mary Sue. And that Mary Sue gets killed off for as much shock value as possible. It's strange.
Theme for when Mahiru traps Not!Junko in an endless killing game loophttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCJBXEu_95g
>>567221343if only Kyoko actually changed instead of doing nothing in 1-6 but smile and nod after the investigation period kek
>>567220463but the fact she's a program also means she was never real and had no possible good ending
>>567220921>Is Ibuki a Mary SueYes because she's perfect
>>567221403That was to satirize how much all the characters suddenly care about a self-insert OC. In the context of characters that are already part of a story, I don't see how this applies.>>567221435Nagito is not a mary sue because he's weak and gets his ass beat.>>567221538She says she regrets her actions when coming to rescue Makoto. If she didn't, she wouldn't be there in the first place. >>567221769That was the change! Just because it's boring doesn't mean it didn't occur. I do think Kyoko having to rely on Makoto in the end is a good touch, but it kinda makes it so that she peaks during the first 4 chapters and gets sidelined for the end of the game.
Ibuki's not a Mary Sue because she's dumb
I think Distrust wanted most of the survivors except Makoto to be bad people that would trade Makoto's soul for 62 cents with Makoto having to be the lone straight man because in real life, good people would not be surviving a situation like Danganronpa, but the whole concept got kind of disjointed when they switched from Distrust's dark and gloomy atmosphere to THH's pop and colorful yet bleak and darkly comedic atmosphere, kind of leading to the current argument about Kyoko. It's not that she's a bad character, but might have been a bad person barely suffering consequences we weren't intended to like or forgive for attempting to sacrifice Makoto's life with us supposed to just be breathing a sigh of relief when the game is over and Makoto escapes Hope's Peak until the game's tone got screwed up by the heavy development changes.
>>567221241Is that even mentioned in DR2 at all? A lot of people complain about that being a retcon that missed the whole point of her character.
>>567221741Junko would enjoy that... for the first few loops until she realizes how formulaic the killing games are and gets bored to death
>>567219094I have never actually seen Asians complain about Mary Sues, and their media does have much more characters who you could argue to just be straight up flawless. Something something propaganda being deeply baked into Eastern culture.
>>567222493>Is that even mentioned in DR2 at all?Nope, it's a retcon, and many Chiakifags complain about nu-Chiaki being stupidly liked by everyone. She was autistic in the game and only liked by everyone after she proved herself in the trials. Hyoko called her slow in the head, Nekomaru mocked her for playing videogames in the early chapters.
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>>567223069Hiyoko hates everyone and is a trad racist.
>>567222072>She says she regrets her actions when coming to rescue Makoto. If she didn't, she wouldn't be there in the first placeIt would be an extremely assholish thing to just leave him to rot in the trash pit and also stupid since he's a valuable asset in surviving the killing game. It's not like she risked everything trying to save him. She could have taken the ladder, and if the door was locked from one way only for some insane reason, she could have dropped the key with a heavy object or alarm of some kind down there to alert Makoto + bread and water first.>That was the change! Just because it's boring doesn't mean it didn't occur.NTA but I'm 90% positive this doesn't occur. She doesn't go "I can't figure this out Makoto I leave this to you" she says something implying she vaguely knows the answer or says nothing at all. It's also not just a boring change but an unsatisfying one. A satisfying conclusion would be Kyoko completely stumped or misguided in her deductions and trusting Makoto and the others to correct them. She doesn't even do that. She just says the right thing or nothing.
>>567223212True, but Chiaki genuinely got Hyoko'd because she ...'d right after kek
>>567223532What?
>>567209086Is Kumitantei going to have a School Mode equivalent or are they just going to give the characters who die in the first two chapters two or three FTEs each?
>>567223069>She was autistic in the game and only liked by everyone after she proved herself in the trials.shit that never happenedeveryone generally liked her after getting to know her and no one actually disliked her in the first place besides maybe Hiyoko and Fuyuhiko, not because they thought she was competent
>>567223253>It would be an extremely assholish thing to just leave him to rot in the trash pit and also stupid since he's a valuable asset in surviving the killing game.Yeah? It's Kyoko explicitly trying to make up for her actions and proof that she's not irredeemable. And it's never even implied she only did it because she sees Makoto as an asset.>It's not like she risked everything trying to save him. She could have taken the ladder, and if the door was locked from one way only for some insane reason, she could have dropped the key with a heavy object or alarm of some kind down there to alert Makoto + bread and water first.I don't see what that has to do with anything, especially since earlier you complain she does take a needless risk.>A satisfying conclusion would be Kyoko completely stumped or misguided in her deductions and trusting Makoto and the others to correct them.I mean, that would be satisfying to you because you hate Kyoko. I don't think her being randomly stupid in the final trial on top of being passive would improve anything at all here.
>>567223739That's true for everybody then, everyone generally liked each other so it's a mute point. Very few characters are disliked in general.
>>567223725There was a planned "dating sim" mode but who knows if it'll actually be in the final game
>>567223637https://youtu.be/XruEVMtQHmE?si=fN-ZlTLnK5eJp85X&t=29659
>>567223725It's way too early to ask, don't you think? They need to manage to actually finish their legally-distinct-fangan first, only then can they afford to think about shit like school mode.
>>567223798>Yeah? It's Kyoko explicitly trying to make up for her actions and proof that she's not irredeemable. And it's never even implied she only did it because she sees Makoto as an asset.I'm saying that it's not exactly a particularly noble thing or proof she's changed or of her true colors. It's something anyone with common decency would do. She already stopped Makoto from harming Monokuma and getting killed previously, it's nothing new or special.>I don't see what that has to do with anything, especially since earlier you complain she does take a needless risk.Because it's making what she's doing look more glorious and selfless than it actually it is.>I mean, that would be satisfying to you because you hate Kyoko. I don't think her being randomly stupid in the final trial on top of being passive would improve anything at all here.>no my Mary Sue shouldn't have any flaws she should only be right and cool all the timeOr maybe she can have a wrong deduction that requires her to overcome her flaws to change and could then also be active?
>>567224173>and more...>barely even reaches the base goalKek
>>567224368I respectfully disagree. I think they should first finish their fluff just in case they shit the bed writing mystery fiction. In fact, they should focus especially on the complete set of love hotel scenes
I fucking HATE Kyoko. I want 1x1 to happen and kill her in the very first trial with a Nagito tier painful death. Oh and who should the deuteragonist be? I have some ideas...
>>567224173Link to the kickstarter?
>>567224697>they should focus especially on the complete set of love hotel scenesEspecially the ones with the dead girl and the protagonist's own twin brother
>>567224759That sounds great!>I have some ideas...Makoto's cute idol sidekick, right?
>>567224764https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mangofactory/kumitantei-old-school-slaughter
>>567224173The mascot designs suck so fucking bad, genuinely what were they thinking?
Toko is stinky
>>567224948> barely funded Chapter 1 and nothing elseso this is the power of the fangan audience...
>>567224948>20k onlyGonna be real, they might not make the full game unless they make a lot more money, unless the publisher wants to fully fund it.
I want to fucking kill that fat fuck Hifumi, fucking FUCK I hope he dies from diabetes, 2x2 should address this.
>>567224948i kind of wished i knew about this kickstarter when it happened now seeing those rewards
>>567225313>now seeing those rewardsWhich ones in particular?
>>567225397The physical copy would have been wicked.
>>567224948Which character do you think is somebody's horrible OC?
>>567224487>She already stopped Makoto from harming Monokuma and getting killed previously, it's nothing new or special.That one could actually be chalked up to practical interesting, ironically enough. This one does show her being remorseful and trying to make up for it.>Because it's making what she's doing look more glorious and selfless than it actually it is.Kyoko jumping down the chute was what "actually happened", the alternative is your headcanon.>Or maybe she can have a wrong deduction that requires her to overcome her flaws to change and could then also be active?That's a better idea, but it would be hard to plausibly write something only Makoto could deduce. Her not doing this specific thing you envisioned does not make her a Mary Sue though.
>>567225592probably the news reporter
>>567225592Probably the zombie
>>567225592this thing because I can't tell the gender
>>567225789That's a girl
>>567224759>>567224946I have the best idea. Professor Makoto's self-appointed student, Kiyotaka Ishimaru, as the deuteragonist. They will study TV and games together during the daily life.
>>567225642>This one does show her being remorseful and trying to make up for it.It doesn't matter, it's something she would have done previously, and that most people would have done. It's like saying "oh Kyoko put her hands on Makoto's wounds after he got shot and started bleeding out to stop the bleeding isn't that nice" it's not impressive or particularly noble or particularly atoning.>Kyoko jumping down the chute was what "actually happened", the alternative is your headcanon.Yes, in an attempt to make it look more glorious than it actually was. Because the game wants you to think it's actually atoning for anything.>That's a better idea, but it would be hard to plausibly write something only Makoto could deduce.I wonder why that is?>Her not doing this specific thing you envisioned does not make her a Mary Sue though.It's everything else that makes her a boring garbage character with a dogshit character arc that barely exists and little depth, actually.
>>567225287I was going to say OOC before I realized this is probably Celeste writing this to make Taka look bad again.
>>567225789Useful graphical assist for (You).
>>567225592It's easier to deduce which characters aren't this.>obviously not the MC>not the plot-important twin brother>not the plot-important stoner>not the plot-important comedian>not the plot-important mystery girl>probably not the dime-store Mondo because I can't see why that would be anyone's OC they'd pay money to have included>probably not Hex Maniac or her simp because they're a duo who's obviously gonna be broken up, it would be weird to write that without having one of the characters beforehand and inserting an OC thereEveryone else is still on the table. >>567225789She has visible boobs from the front but she does have a very tumblr design so she'd be my first guess.
>>567225789Do you know any guys who have that hairstyle?
>>567225789>>567225916>>567226153would rape
>>567225789fat bum
>>567226179If it was anyone I'd say the obviously incongruent literal zombie but maybe she'll be plot-important too.
You're all annoying and prison was better than this. I'm going to ask someone to kill me so I don't have to listen to you anymore.
>>567225916>fat brown Olympic runner ex-shrine maiden bully victimOh yeah I heard lots of shrine maidens wear leopard print swimsuits. This better be a fan character, or the writers are beyond saving.
>>567226447AHHHHH! IT'S THE GHOST OF DANGANRONPA FUTURE!
>>567226569I've read enough corruption doujins to know all shine maidens and magical girls will jump at the chance to dress as slutilly as possible.
>>567226396zombie girl has chapter 2 victim vibes so maybeshe may actually be plot relevant though
>>567226813>zombie girl has chapter 2 victim vibes so maybeReally? Seems more like chapter 3 double victim fodder to me.
Just jerked off to Chiaki NTR hentai
>>567227034I can't believe it. You jerked off to Chiaki in the gamer cuck chair while Nagito's small hope cock shredded Hajime's tight bussy.
>>567226054>It doesn't matter, it's something she would have done previously, and that most people would have done. It's like saying "oh Kyoko put her hands on Makoto's wounds after he got shot and started bleeding out to stop the bleeding isn't that nice" it's not impressive or particularly noble or particularly atoning.Yesterday I talked to a guy who hated Sayaka and he said Sayaka's betrayal isn't anything special because everyone in DR betrays you. Now I'm talking to a guy who hates Kyoko and you say Kyoko rescuing Makoto isn't anything special because that's everyone in DR would've done. It's interesting how your respective biases against completely different characters affect you.>Yes, in an attempt to make it look more glorious than it actually was. Because the game wants you to think it's actually atoning for anything.Coming back to save someone after being ready to throw them after the bus does show a change of heart, you'd have to do some outstanding mental gymnastics to argue with that.>I wonder why that is?That would be difficult with any smart character present, not just Kyoko, because they'd need a reason to be wrong this specific time and not the previous times.>It's everything else that [man Kyoko raped me so bad]Chill out man.
>>567227034Hajime cheating on Chiaki with Mikan kino!
>>567226720And I've been to Japan and seen shrine maidens. It's a family tradition and abandoning it for no good reason means you shat on your whole family. But I doubt any research was done by whoever wrote that backstory.
>>567227476>tfw this is canon
>>567227034Chiakifag hiding under a different filename...
>>567227034Why would you do that?
>>567226569>>567227490What if they reveal she's someone's tulpa come alive and thus all the unrealistic parts of her are okay because she's too good to be real anyway? Like a certain other character... Will you be satisfied then?
Where does she place on the Mary Sue ranking?
>>567227460>Now I'm talking to a guy who hates Kyoko and you say Kyoko rescuing Makoto isn't anything special because that's everyone in DR would've done. It's interesting how your respective biases against completely different characters affect you.It's what SHE would have already done previously.>Coming back to save someone after being ready to throw them after the bus does show a change of heart, you'd have to do some outstanding mental gymnastics to argue with that.No, she didn't. She sacrificed Makoto fully expecting him to die, did nothing to stop him from dying, and then saved him after he lucked out. She didn't have a change of heart, she did nothing to actually stop him from dying in the first place, and then said sorry when he lived and did the decent reasonably (and what should have been) riskless thing to save him.>That would be difficult with any smart character present, not just Kyoko, because they'd need a reason to be wrong this specific time and not the previous times.Maybe if Kyoko had some sort of flaws you could exploit... like... trust issues or something that would impede her deductions...>>It's everything else that [man Kyoko raped me so bad]>Chill out man.Kyoko SUCKS. I LOVE the ending where she gets SQUASHED.
>>567227873in the dumpster of flawed because everyone hates her for being a femcel and she dies for her flaws of femcel rage
>>567227721Well obviously because I have a small dick, duh...
>>567227850That's what the moon girl's twist will be
>>567228154I see, now it makes sense.
>>567228154I'm sorry you have to go through that.
>>567227873I love my smart antisocial chuuni femcel who got bullied into committing murder so much guys
>>567227873kek
>>567227873She can't be a mary sue. She's a psycho femcel who everyone hated and killed an innocent gooner while also needing my cock to correct her virginity problem and make her my wife.>>567228464Back off, she's mine.
>>567227873Do I need to do research on this game to understand the hate?
>>567227034Since you like NTR I have this for you: 650123-(nhentai)
>>567228464I'm reading a fanfic where Damon saves Eva and with exception of Grace everyone is totally ok with that. They would NOT do that.
>>567227885>It's what SHE would have already done previously.Then that just shows she's a good girl who had a temporary lapse in judgement :)>No, she didn't. She sacrificed Makoto fully expecting him to die, did nothing to stop him from dying, and then saved him after he lucked out. She didn't have a change of heart, she did nothing to actually stop him from dying in the first place, and then said sorry when he lived and did the decent reasonably (and what should have been) riskless thing to save him.That's an entirely unreasonable metric by which nothing can be used to characterize someone positively short of completely selfless acts.>Maybe if Kyoko had some sort of flaws you could exploit... like... trust issues or something that would impede her deductions...That could be interesting, but it could also make a bit too much like Byakuya.
I'm not Chiakifag, I just like Chiaki very much, so I post her. I wish that guy was here so I could ask if he thinks Chiaki is a Mary Sue. And the NTR guy is a limp dick loser.
>>567228736I read one where Toshiko wins her trial and then has a massive breakdown and gets committed to a mental institution.
>>567228736Link the fanfic
>>567228670Most of the hate comes from those who haven't played it.>>567229091https://archiveofourown.org/works/62021197/chapters/158609692
>>567228736They would stop hating her because Eva would pull all the stops on Damon's cock after because she thinks this is her only chance to get laid and accidentally gets pregnant, making it so it's awkward to hate Eva. They would also spite Wolfgoon after his death by doing it on his bed.
Toshiko murdering Eva because Eva is a fujo that ignores character chemistry
>>567228696I don't really give a shit if it's random NTR, it has to have a specific character I like involved, otherwise there is no point
Literally all they had to do to stop the killing game was for Damon to stop looking at Kai's fatass and cum on Eva's flat tits. It's Damon's fault it all started. He owed Eva sex.
>>567229250Funny fanfic, would read
>>567229250>a fujo that ignores character chemistryThat's 90% of fujos
>>567229081Toshiko shouldn't be committed to a mental institution. She should be used for human experimentation as the evil bitch she is.
>>567229324disgusting cuck logic
>>567229250Korekiyo and Rantaro shippers for Danganronpa. Ima and Yugamu for Hundred Line.
>>567229186>author is now writing a fangan with this cast
>>567229250Toshiko is canonically a fujo too though. She said when the room partners would be the same gender that she could still work with this.
>>5672296962nd from the left could be cute with some improvements.
>>567229250Muh canonical chemistry doesn't matter. It's just an excuse people use to shittalk ships they dislike. There's no canonical excuse for the characters to have your fetish but that's not stopping you from having fetish fantasies with them.>erm but ackshually one character does have my fetishAnd it's the only character you ever fantasize about? Bullshit.
>>567229696Dangantiktok, my favourite fangan.
>>567229583That’s what they do at mental institutions anyway
>>567229850Found the fujo
>>567229586Don't blame me lol
>>567229850>There's no canonical excuse for the characters to have your fetish but that's not stopping you from having fetish fantasies with them.I am pretty sure people who use characters as jerkoff material are very upfront and honest that there's nothing more to it than making them hard. Crackshippers will fight you tooth and nail to prove their ship actually has substance that wasn't invented by the shipper.
>>567228696How is this NTR though, this is just random guys fucking women, isn't the literal definition of NTR cheating?
>>567228831>That's an entirely unreasonable metric by which nothing can be used to characterize someone positively short of completely selfless acts.It's not unreasonable at all. It's not saying anything about Kyoko beyond the idea that her saving Makoto afterwards in the way it occurred doesn't actually absolve her of sacrificing him in the first place, which is true.>That could be interesting, but it could also make a bit too much like Byakuya.I agree Kyoko is a waste of space and executed poorly. She should have been cut and have her important plot moments given to other, more entertaining, and better written characters.
High schoolers are horny as hell so the fact Eva couldn't get even "she's easy" cock to fix a few screws loose in her head is unrealistic. What did she do so wrong in school to be avoided like the plague? Does she have vagina dentata?
>>567230175She instinctively acts like she's better and smarter than everyone else which is why she gets along with Damon.
>>567230140https://files.catbox.moe/8xlaqn.webphttps://files.catbox.moe/k1e3o1.webpDid you miss the boyfriend part?
>>567230327That's how every future wife acts.
>>567230327She is smarter (except when she decides to lie for no reason).
>>567230406I just skimmed through, and it's literally 1 of the 10 girls, should have just been corruption or whatever, it's cheap
>>567230135>Crackshippers will fight you tooth and nail to prove their ship actually has substance that wasn't invented by the shipper.That's not true. "Muh ebil ship wars" might have been real at some point but it's not a thing that actually happens these days. How many people have you personally had experience with "fighting you tooth and nail" over a ship? I reckon the number is below 3, if above 0 at all. >I am pretty sure people who use characters as jerkoff material are very upfront and honest that there's nothing more to it than making them hard.The core premise is the same, trying to play morality police for arbitrary reasons when it's clear people just make fan stuff about fantasies that appeal to them.
Westoids be like, let's make a dangan game! Okay, whip out the checklist>Nigger(s)check.>girlbosscheck.>fat fuck(s)check.>gay trans lesbiancheck.>Absurdly sexualized slutcheck.Oh shit that's like 90% of the cast...
Imagine being married to Eva and getting into an argument with her that you can no longer follow and lose because she throws in a bunch of hard math theory terms you never heard of.
>>567230729>fat fuckFat cunt*. If there’s a fatty in the cast, 90% of the time it’s a girl.
>>567230729At least we're not speaking Japanese
>>567230717Ship wars don't happen as much these days because everyone only cares about gooning to the characters now, but they were absolutely real in the past. I would know. I'm a Sonic fan.
>>567230746tell her she was deflecting because she knows I'm right and fuck her right where she stands
>>567230406Shuichi would be Yuu.
>>567230729>Absurdly sexualized slutAnd that’s a problem because?
>>567230717A fantasy appealing to the author is not mutually exclusive with it being accurate to canon characterization.It is better than 2 characters being shipped because they look pretty together.
>>567230729Still waiting for an all black fangan and it's just students murdering eachother before the killing game has even begun.
>>567230985But what if the argument is in front of the kids in the back of the car and you're on the road?
>>567230967Knuckles x Rouge > Shadow x Rouge
>>567231094Kys
>>567230162>It's not saying anything about Kyoko beyond the idea that her saving Makoto afterwards in the way it occurred doesn't actually absolve her of sacrificing him in the first place, which is true.You can say this about any character who does something immoral and tries to make up later. It at the very least shows she's not going to do something like this in the future. Plus you disliked her even before that, so it's not like you'd forgive her anyway.>I agree Kyoko is a waste of space and executed poorly. She should have been cut and have her important plot moments given to other, more entertaining, and better written characters.You need a mostly-reasonable character around so that your surroundings are not a complete nuthouse.
>>567230861Japan has never seen a fat woman in their entire history. It's like a mythical creature to them, like a dragon. Imagine showing them a westoid fangame.
>>567231130nothing they haven't seen before and won't see again
>>567231046Because they give that trope to a character most people won't find attractive.
>>567231148Why? Because Knuckles is a mouth drooling retard and can be easily manipulated unlike Shadow by Rouge?
>>567231094Stop making your fetishes more obvious, lil bro
>>567230861It’s because some people find fat girls cute, while most people find fat guys repulsive
>>567231046because porn belongs in porn, not a work you expect me to take seriously, coombrain
>>567231219>Japan has never seen a fat woman in their entire historyENTER
>>567231053>A fantasy appealing to the author is not mutually exclusive with it being accurate to canon characterization.Most fetishes involve some form of transgression. This requires characters to act in more malicious or degenerate ways than they canonically would. A fantasy where a character decides to sniff another character's feet would necessitate them acting in ways that are somewhat different from canon.>>567231053>It is better than 2 characters being shipped because they look pretty together.It's the exact same thing, no matter how much you cope about it. Or, by your own logic, characters being shipped is not mutually exclusive with it being accurate to canon characterization.
Love them.
>>567231148Based, but that is far from the most toxic ship wars. The Sonic general here is a ptsd home for tired vets after the Sonamy vs. Sonally wars where for a long time, any mention of Archie post cancellation would have you called a diaperfag because of one infamous Sallyfag who got off to diapers.
>>567231348Unlike fat dudes, fat girls can still be attractive because they can use makeup, clothes, shapewear and wigs to make themselves more attractive.
>>567231345>lil broOh I just know you're black. Seethe.
>>567231338>Why?Because it's canon, and Shadow x Rouge is mostly just fanon that has no official backing whatsoever.
>>567231348Don't we have multiple posters in this general who like fat guys?
>>567230729>Nigger(s)Yasuhiro>girlbossKyoko>fat fuck(s)Hifumi>gay trans lesbianChihiro>Absurdly sexualized slutAoiTHHbros... We are WOKESLOP...
>>567231221You will crash the car.
>>567231429she's fat by japan standarts but practically anorexic by westoid standards
>>567231561They are the exception, not the rule.
>>567231209>You can say this about any character who does something immoral and tries to make up later. Not really. It does nothing to actually atone for what she's done. An actual atonement would be her risking her life to save Makoto later, proving that she actually won't do that again.>It at the very least shows she's not going to do something like this in the future.Not really. She's never forced (again, partially by her own actions) into a situation where she has to sacrifice either herself or Makoto again besides maybe the last segment of 1-6 which is literally "everyone kill Makoto and stay here forever or be forced to live in the real world which is totally not actually hospitable". Everyone with a brain could infer that Junko is full of shit (based on her own actions) and living in the real world is better than the school, it's not a hard choice.>You need a mostly-reasonable character around so that your surroundings are not a complete nuthouse.Makoto, Byakuya, Aoi... Kyoko is unironically crazier and less reasonable than them (and Aoi literally tried to kill everyone) with how shady she constantly acts and how most of her one-liners and "gags" if you can even call them that are her being mysterious and aurafarming.
>>567231535>Thinks I'm actually blackKek keep projecting.
>>567231584Hiro is only half-nigger. His mommy is full asian. Fangans want dark dark chocolate. Chihiro's entire character arc also goes against trans ideology.
>>567231584Take back what you said about Yasuhiro.
>>567231447>>567230717I'm not policing anyone's morality, just saying that some ships are devoid of anything relating to the actual characterization from the game, just two blanks who use those designs. You're free to ship that if you fancy, I'm just telling you what I think of your ship.>A fantasy where a character decides to sniff another character's feet would necessitate them acting in ways that are somewhat different from canon.I don't think anyone who masturbates to characters doing weird shit in porn actually thinks the characters would do that. They too are blank characters borrowing designs from the game but everyone who consumes that is definitely fully aware of it, which is the difference.
>>567231584Isn't the absurdly sexualized slut of THH Toko? Aoi is too pure.
>>567231884The reason Hiro got held back is because he intimidated his teachers with his stronger jawline and they were scared to teach him.
>>567231816>I'm not a queer! I just like dressing up as a girl and wearing panties so people don't bully me :(
what is the danganronpa 2x2 new trial music was made by Germans?
>>567231693>Not really. It does nothing to actually atone for what she's done. An actual atonement would be her risking her life to save Makoto later, proving that she actually won't do that again.If she didn't regret her actions, she wouldn't save Makoto at all.>Everyone with a brain could infer that Junko is full of shit (based on her own actions) and living in the real world is better than the school, it's not a hard choice.It's a post-apocalyptic shithole. Why wouldn't it better than the school assuming FF doesn't exist?>Makoto, Byakuya, Aoi... Kyoko is unironically crazier and less reasonable than them (and Aoi literally tried to kill everyone) with how shady she constantly acts and how most of her one-liners and "gags" if you can even call them that are her being mysterious and aurafarming.Kyoko was raised to essentially be a cop, it's reasonably why she'd have antisocial inclinations and don't trust other people. Most of the time she's the most level-headed and the least emotional in the room though.
>>567231738I don't know what I'm projecting here. But whatever you say, darkie
>>567232098He tries to fix himself and be honest by becoming more masculine, but his skull was too weak for the dumbbells.
>>567231561It's one guy pretending to be many
>>567231429>ENTERThat could be a challenge if she can't fit through the doorway.
>>567232031>yeah my stuff is superfluous too but at least I'm honest about itThis is just elitist 4chan cope. Most people aren't "dishonest" about that sort of thing, they just want to do things they enjoy.
>>567232358Junko was the detective the whole time?!?!
>>567231429>>567231652She's 117 pounds and 5'8. She should be a twig, but they draw her thicc.
>reddit democratically voted on a dangan taste gridWell, /drg/? How do their opinions measure up?
We have way too many black people here
>>567232579Look there's a difference between Makoto and Kyoko doing something slightly OOC because that only bends an already established relationshit a little vs Sakura fucking Chihiro.
>>567232186>If she didn't regret her actions, she wouldn't save Makoto at all.Again, wrong. From a completely practical standpoint, saving Makoto is the reasonable thing to do. He was already executed. There is no reason to not dig him back up. It involves one trip down a big ladder, and then a trip up the ladder if you aren't a maniac. From a moral standpoint, it is also the right and reasonable thing to do. She can actually completely not regret her actions and choose to do it again while still saving Makoto.>It's a post-apocalyptic shithole. Why wouldn't it better than the school assuming FF doesn't exist?Other than the fact that you have to trust Junko's word who just previously admitted to getting off to the fact that you were being tortured, she has no reason to broadcast and hijack the waves if it's really that bad. She could just let everyone in the world die out normally instead of breaking them via despair.>Most of the time she's the most level-headed and the least emotional in the room though.She doesn't exactly reign in the class or do anything with that levelheadedness, that's Makoto's job. Most of the time she's acting unphased and going "yep I know the answer, here's a hint, tell them Makoto. I believe in you or whatever."
>>567232710Hiyoko is so hated by the fandom that they’ve been begging non-stop for her to be a survivor since 2x2 was announced.
>>567232358>same face syndrome I've forgotten how copy paste most of danganronpas female characters are.
>>567232710Moogi is better than you don't take everything she says at face value.
>>567232710Since when do people hate Mondo? Dude was the original fujo magnet and has a ton of porn. Since when is Nagito divisive? Redditors are dumb.
>>567232710>why won’t my diabetic friend eat my candy>amazingly written
>>567232863Reddit can't say they like Hiyoko because she's """""child-coded""""" even though she's the same age as all of the other TEENAGERS there.
>>567232803>She can actually completely not regret her actions and choose to do it again while still saving Makoto.In your headcanon, but that's not what her words and actions show in the game.>Junko gets off to torture>what reason does Junko have not to let everyone die naturally instead of breaking them?I'll let you piece this one together yourself.>She doesn't exactly reign in the class or do anything with that levelheadedness, that's Makoto's job. Most of the time she's acting unphased and going "yep I know the answer, here's a hint, tell them Makoto. I believe in you or whatever."And it's nice to have someone reasonable back you up instead of being the only sane man in the room.
>>567232787The only way to prove it is to do a Boondocks stream. If everyone likes Tom, we're white. Everyone should hate Sarah though.
>>567232710>amazingly written>Kyoko "my dad actually loves me?" Kirigiri>Sakura "I will kill myself because I like my friends and don't want to kill them" Idontknowherlastname>Nagito "I'm CRAAAAAZY" Komaeda>Monaca- wait what the fuck how did MONACA get here????>animeslop characterSTELLARAMAZING WRITING
Fun things are fun
>>567233027Not sure what that has to do with anything but DR Reddit absolutely does like Hiyoko, they’re just convinced that everyone else hates her.
>>567233260I don't use Reddit so I wouldn't knowMaybe you should go back there?
>>567233019Redditors want to have sex with her probably. Komaru is also the most popular Dangan there because of that reason.
>>567233363Then how do you know that they think she’s “child-coded”?
>>567232710The entire first row is wrong, amazing.Well, there is only a handful of DR characters who I'd consider "amazingly written" so this grid is far too optimistic in the first place.>>567232915I think I've seen one of these threads. All it takes is for one fujo to come early, leave a comment saying "I know a lot of people hate Mondo, but personally I think he's amazing and his bromance with Kiyotaka is soooo real", then the comment gets 30 upvotes and Mondo wins the thread.
>>567233117>In your headcanon, but that's not what her words and actions show in the game.Name them. Also, I didn't say she did, I said they could. It's headcanon to say that those actions DO prove that she wouldn't do it again.>I'll let you piece this one together yourself.Yeah, why would they want to stay in the torturefreak's torture dungeon? Junko doesn't want to just win ideologically, she wants to win practically too. It's why DR2 and AI Junko is a thing.>And it's nice to have someone reasonable back you up instead of being the only sane man in the room.Unfortunately she's too much of an unlikable character to make up for this one slight positive she has that another character who is more likable could have had instead.
>>567232710There is no fucking universe in which Nagito and Tsumugi are equally popular
>goes to sauna>become best friends overnight>dieNo wonder they were forgotten after new fujo ships came out.
Ruruka is the first Dangan I cheered at seeing the corpse of and she is a terribly written character.
>>567233027When I look up DR art, I occasionally stumble onto reddit threads where Hiyoko glazers defend her.Also, come on. You know full well she's meant to appeal to lolicons and the specified age doesn't matter.
>>567233628I still see Ishimondo stuff all the time. They just obviously can't compete with protagonist x rival ships.
What if Hajime actually put the speedo on when Kazuichi gave it to him in the diner and wound up having to do the entirety of trial 2 in it?
>>567233537>Name them. Also, I didn't say she did, I said they could. It's headcanon to say that those actions DO prove that she wouldn't do it again.She goes out of her way to save Makoto, which shows she's not going to throw him under the bus anymore, and she never attempts this again. Moreover, she tells Makoto the secrets she's previously kept from him, which she wouldn't do if she didn't think it was the right thing to do.>Yeah, why would they want to stay in the torturefreak's torture dungeon?If she's not torturing them and none of them are going to kill each other, it's arguably a better life than the hypothetical Fallout scenario they'd have waiting outside.>It's why DR2 and AI Junko is a thing.They're not a thing in THH, so it doesn't matter here.
>>567232710>downloadI mean, if you don't put Nagito at the top of your list, I just know you're a retard. DR2 is unimaginable without him.
>>567234179Where is her shadow the hedgehog plush?
>>567233448He's a pedophile
>>567233628>>567233991They're still in the top 10 DR ships on AO3.>>567233627That's not what the picture is implying.
Nagitofags will drop 2x2 quickly if Nagito dies early
Reddit is retarded, in other news SF is dry
How can the single most popular character of the entire franchise, Nagito Sans Fingers in his Ass Komahina, be even thought of as divisive?
>>567234352everyone that likes DR2 is a nagitofag in some way
>>567234179
>>567234060>She goes out of her way to save Makoto, which shows she's not going to throw him under the bus anymore, and she never attempts this again.That does not. I already proved why, logically, she could save Makoto and how it doesn't mean she atones. Furthermore, she is not given a real chance to actually throw Makoto under the bus again, except in the ridiculously weighted scenario of 1-6.>Moreover, she tells Makoto the secrets she's previously kept from him, which she wouldn't do if she didn't think it was the right thing to do.This isn't really here or there in terms of atoning. It also didn't matter much, since Makoto would stumble across the laptop anyway and Kyoko would likely give him context on why she can't open it.>If she's not torturing them and none of them are going to kill each other, it's arguably a better life than the hypothetical Fallout scenario they'd have waiting outside.Zero chance that actually happens and no one should believe it would. She literally just previously admitted to betraying and killing her sister for no reason other than it was hot.>They're not a thing in THH, so it doesn't matter here.Junko is practically a non-character besides being sadistic in DR1, but fair. Even so, you have reason to believe she has practical reasons for hijacking the waves. That's literally a plot point.
>>567234352I think they will kill him early or nerf him in some way
>>567234694>nerf him in some wayHe will be walking funny.
>>567234352He will kill Hajime in chapter 1 then get a gruesome execution that fujos will finger themselves to as toxic yaoi guro peak. You can't stop the fujotrain after it starts.
>>567234770The orgy with all the guys except Souda will be the new fanservice scene.
Eva tying Damon up and raping him while screaming "FUCK YOU WOLFGANG" in his face and clawing and biting him
>>567235040They should actually include a male fanservice scene this time.
I relate to Eva
>>567235149>Wolfgoon: THIS IS JUST LIKE MY ERO DOUJINS! IT WOULD BE HOTTER IF GRACE WALKED IN!
>>567235207In what way?
>>567235207How many gooners have you violently drugged and killed for not gooning to you this week?
>>567235425The person I love going for someone else>>567235474None but I would
Since Kai was one of Eva's main bullies, do you think if Eva lived longer, he would have mocked Eva with photos of him and Damon sleeping together?
>>567235780yes
>>567234662>That does not. I already proved why, logically, she could save Makoto and how it doesn't mean she atones.Could have or did? That's not what happens in the game, and obviously not how the game frames it. That's your headcanon fueled by your negative bias causing you to take the character's every action in bad faith. For this headcanon to be true, you have to assume she explicitly deceiving Makoto for some hypothetical payoff that never actually happens and isn't corroborated by the story.>she is not given a real chance to actually throw Makoto under the bus again, except in the ridiculously weighted scenario of 1-6.She has a real chance to leave him to die right in that moment if she truly doesn't care about him. By saving him she disproves this notion.>Zero chance that actually happens and no one should believe it would.Since it does explicitly happen in the bad ending, clearly the chance is not zero.
>>567235886Would Eva be pathetic enough to finger herself to it while crying?
>>567235608>The person I love going for someone elseIt wasn't real love.
>>567236048Hot, but maybe.
>>567235179To mirror Mahiru and Hiyoko, it has to be one mildly attractive guy and one midget. So... Nekomaru and Teruteru showering together
Since they killed two guys last time in chapter 1, it would be funny if they killed two girls this time in chapter 1 and against all odds and hopes, it's Mahiru and Hiyoko.
>>567235149>pulling someone who has no interest in her into her own drama with another guyDo women really act like this? See a guy just chilling with his bro in far distance and she want to destroy him?
>>567236526Yes.
>>567235937>Could have or did? That's not what happens in the game, and obviously not how the game frames it. The game is flawed and incorrect in its framing, because there is simply no way for that action to actually atone in anyway. You have to refute that notion in totality before saying otherwise, or else your argument has no room to stand on. You keep saying that Kyoko saving Makoto actually atones, but again, from a logical and able standpoint, it's not even a hard choice and it proves nothing. You need to prove HOW Kyoko saving Makoto proves she truly does regret sacrificing Makoto and won't do it again in the future, since that is the crux of your argument.>That's your headcanon fueled by your negative bias causing you to take the character's every action in bad faith.Wrong. I exposed the faulty logic in why that's actually atoning and how it proves nothing.>For this headcanon to be true, you have to assume she explicitly deceiving Makoto for some hypothetical payoff that never actually happens and isn't corroborated by the story.Not even close to what I said. Again, it's not headcanon, and it's not a exactly hypothetical. I am simply saying that her saving Makoto in they she did does in no way absolve her, and what would absolve her.>She has a real chance to leave him to die right in that moment if she truly doesn't care about him. By saving him she disproves this notion.Again, it's faulty because of the odds stacked in favor of going against someone as insane as Junko. There is zero reason to kill Makoto by voting Despair. It's actually idiotic writing that the characters consider it for even a MOMENT.>Since it does explicitly happen in the bad ending, clearly the chance is not zero.Other than being a joke ending, Toko died, and that was only a year or two into their life living there forever judging by apparent age and the age of the babies.
I can't tell if this is Sayaka, Mukuro, or Komaru seething about Kyoko winning the Naegibowl for hours straight.
>>567237129Those are all fictional characters.
>>567237129I couldn't care less about shipping, I just think Kyoko is poorly written and garbage
>>567237359/drg/ is a Neo World Program we are all stuck in until 2x2 releases.
>>567237454can I have a Mikan Alter Ego girlfriend for my troubles
>>567237557Best we can do is a Hiyoko Alter Ego girlfriend who hates you.
>>567237650GIVE HER TO ME NOW PLEASE
>>567236878>The game is flawed and incorrect in its framing, because there is simply no way for that action to actually atone in anyway.Okay, then the game is incorrect during the trial. It was all a big misunderstanding and Kyoko was never going to sacrifice Makoto. In fact, she never did anything questionable in the first place, and if the game made it seem that way, the game is incorrect. It's so easy when you can just cope by pretending events that don't line up with your reading don't count.>Wrong. I exposed the faulty logic in why that's actually atoning and how it proves nothing.It's not atonement to you because you're predisposed to scrutinizing her actions. It's pretty simple logic: she hurt your trust during the trial, so she has to earn it back, which she does by saving you when she didn't have to. You're the one claiming it doesn't matter because she could plausibly have had a less-than-altruistic motive for doing so, not even that she did. Even though we know from the context and her further actions that's not the case. >Not even close to what I said.She tells Makoto she does this to atone for the trial. If she's only doing it because she's useful, then she's lying and the game never acknwoledges that, and only you were clever enough to get to the bottom of things with your conspiracy theory.>Again, it's faulty because of the odds stacked in favor of going against someone as insane as Junko. There is zero reason to kill Makoto by voting Despair.Just because you wouldn't consider it doesn't mean no one would. One would think you'd learn that from Byakuya's storyline in the very game we're talking about. >Toko diedSince no one else did, it was either a suicide or she broke the rules.
>>567238804Would. Hate druggies though.
>>567238804Bootleg meth head Eva that might have a cock and is part of why my wife is dead. Would not.
>>567221435No but Kokichi is.
Is this you Drydick?
>>567238645>It's so easy when you can just cope by pretending events that don't line up with your reading don't count.Don't play stupid, dumbfuck. I didn't say "that never happened", I said saying that the game frames it a certain way means nothing because you can critically look at what the plot actually is.>It's not atonement to you because you're predisposed to scrutinizing her actions.It's not atonement because it's something any reasonable person would do and because it didn't put her at any risk.>she does by saving you when she didn't have toLet's all praise Kyoko for not stabbing Makoto, because she could have done that if she felt like it! No, basic human decency she has already shown herself capable of is not praiseworthy.>You're the one claiming it doesn't matterYou could only think this if you're a moron. It is a proof by contradiction; not saying she did do it, but saying that she could have felt that way and taken those same actions. It's an argument against the worth of her actions themselves. It shows that the "atonement" is meaningless and does nothing. If I let someone presumably die for my selfish needs, and then when convenient, I discover they survived and help them at no-to-little cost to myself, did I really atone for anything? No, I did not. Nothing about her actions proves that Kyoko wouldn't pull a 1-5 again.>She tells Makoto she does this to atone for the trial.Again, not what I said.>Just because you wouldn't consider it doesn't mean no one would.Yes I'm smart enough to not trust the fucking psychopath with zero reason to trust, sue me. It's bad writing for anyone with a sliver of intelligence to take Junko's word.>Since no one else did, it was either a suicide or she broke the rules.What proves Junko didn't just kill her because she felt like it? Again, also, non-canon joke ending the characters have no knowledge of. You do nothing by arguing the integrity of Junko's character.
Could Eva love a retard like me who sucks at basic geometry, but would still listen to every word she says I don't understand?
>>567225592>>567226179the demo released before the kickstarter, all of the main cast were already in it. the kickstarter backer is probably a side character >>567225179it's already being funded the rest of the way, the game sold well and their publisher has money
>>567239842Hajime how did you end up on /drg/?
>>567240097>it's already being funded the rest of the way, the game sold well and their publisher has moneyYeah but will they give everyone swimsuits?
>>567215397the original post that started this Kyoko debate btw4 hours ago
>>567240518And to think, Kyoko, Toko, Hifumi, and Taka are all based. This fight is for nothing. 4 legends can coexist.
>>567240212they said in the discord chapter 2 is "the beach episode"
https://x.com/danganronpash/status/2055699892626936123The first (finished) 3D fangan is extremely close to release.
>>567241110could be interesting
gay
>>567241318yag
>>567241441yagina
If everybody here were a pass user, these threads would instantly hit bump limit in 3 hours
>>567241110oh i remember shattered hopethe reboot got turned into an actual game? nice
>>567239725>It's not atonement because it's something any reasonable person would do and because it didn't put her at any risk.Alright. Then Kyoko acted like a reasonable person, negating the doubt her actions during the trial placed. Glad we're established that and that you're only scrutinizing her actions because you're predisposed to it due to your bias. I already repeated that a few times and I honestly don't feel like going a dozen more.>It is a proof by contradiction; not saying she did do it, but saying that she could have felt that way and taken those same actions. It's an argument against the worth of her actions themselves.So it's your headcanon not corroborated by the story. The "could have" reasoning is worthless because you can speculate about literally everything if you're bad faith enough. I speculate that Toko was lying and she killed everyone off-screen once the credits rolled and the entire game was pointless. Unless you can prove Kyoko was lying, then the hypothetical "she could have done it for a selfish reason" doesn't matter because it's inherently a loaded argument only someone going out of the way to scrutinize the character's actions would make.
Woke up just now and a fangan idea came to me in a dream. I think it was somewhere in the sky telling me to make history... So far I have the mastermind, the protagonist and one minigame
>>567242193>Then Kyoko acted like a reasonable person, negating the doubt her actions during the trial placed. Let's walk through this argument, shall we?>Kyoko sacrificing Makoto is a dick move!>Thankfully she showed common decency to him later so that absolves her of said dick move.Yes, moron, that totally makes sense and absolves her of her issues.>Glad we're established that and that you're only scrutinizing her actions because you're predisposed to it due to your bias. Defend her in a way that isn't "no actually you're biased." This isn't some dumb headcanon about her actual intent. This is looking critically at her actions, what they're meant to be, and what they're actually worth. You're incredibly stupid. >already repeated that a few times and I honestly don't feel like going a dozen more.And what have I said in response? It was worthless the first time you said it.>So it's your headcanon-Let me stop you right there. What am I trying to show you by walking you through said thought exercise, and what is a proof of contradiction. You are so mindlessly dumb that even a concept as simple as that is completely beyond you. >Unless you can prove Kyoko was lying, then the hypothetical "she could have done it for a selfish reason" doesn't matterIt DOES matter, and that's not even what was said you fucking moron. It proves that Kyoko could reasonably do it AND not atone. Your argument HINGES on the fact that the very act of her doing this atones her. I am challenging the idea at its core, and by showing this, I can prove that said action atones for nothing. The action itself, nor the intent, atones for NOTHING. You are a worthless waste of space. How are such simple things so difficult for you to understand? Is it because you're a Kyokotard who only likes hype and aura even if the writing is shit?
Byakuya wouldn't throw his cute twink boyfriend down to his death the way Kyoko did btw. I'm not saying Byakuya is the true winner of the makotobowl, but at least someone didn't tried to kill him
>>567243870He does desecrate the dead though.
>>567243208>Defend her in a way that isn't "no actually you're biased."She saves Makoto and doesn't act against him at any point in the future, and there is nothing to suggest less-than-altruistic motive on her part during the game.>This is looking critically at her actions, what they're meant to be, and what they're actually worth.But the only reason you're doing this is because you're negatively predisposed against the character to begin with. What makes you think you're giving an objective view by hinging on the hypothetical bad faith scenario that is explicitly disproven by the framing of the game? >It proves that Kyoko could reasonably do it AND not atone.So she would have to be lying about her motives when she explains them to Makoto, and the game would not be acknowledging this, it would be your interpretation, which is more correct than Kodaka's.>And what have I said in response?You have ignored the game's framing and chose to interpret Kyoko's words as a lie (though you won't admit it because you know that's a shaky stance to defend) because of your hateboner. >Your argument HINGES on the fact that the very act of her doing this atones her. I am challenging the idea at its core, and by showing this, I can prove that said action atones for nothing. The only thing it proves that "if things were like in my headcanon, then Kyoko sure would be a bitch". That's it, nothing more. Do you understand how ridiculous it is to approach ? Like I said, by this logic, you cannot refute the notion that Toko killed everyone after the credits rolled and was just lying the whole game. It could have plausibly happened, after all. Therefore, the entire game doesn't work because I am "challenging le premise" and "examining it critically" by coming up with bad faith fanfiction.
>>567242337What's the location?When I have a killing game dream it's always taking place in a nice hotel like a Hilton or a Hampton o algo.
>>567245778>She saves Makoto and doesn't act against him at any point in the future,That does not absolve her of prior wrongdoing. She is never forced into a position again where she has to make the choice of life or death for her or Makoto, except for the end of 1-6 which I have already discounted. Try again.>But the only reason you're doing this is because you're negatively predisposed against the character to begin with. What makes you think you're giving an objective viewThis implies you can only criticize things you already like. And if it isn't objective, why can't you disprove it with logic? And again, what are you actually thinking I'm doing? How many times do I have to clear things up for you for you to understand something so simple?>So she would have to be lying about her motivesIncorrect. If Kyoko is or is not lying is completely irrelevant. You are hung up on this idea that I'm making up some scenario where she's acting in bad faith, but I'm not. It doesn't matter if she is or isn't. What matters is if those actions could be undertaken by someone acting in bad faith or not. They do.Let's go back to a prior hypothetical.I shoot someone in the fucking stomach to save my own skin. I expect them to die. They didn't. I submit them to a doctor and don't shoot them again. At one point a gun is in my hands and I contemplate shooting them though because DR EVIL THE KNOWN LIAR AND BETRAYER promised me he wouldn't torture me if I shot them instead of Dr Evil. But thankfully I didn't shoot them. I have atoned for shooting them previously. THIS IS YOUR ARGUMENT.The actual bad faith argument is misunderstanding something so clear. No, I am not saying Kyoko is secretly evil. I am saying that her actions do not atone her in any satisfying way because she RISKED NOTHING. NOTHING PROVES SHE WOULDN'T DO THAT AGAIN IN THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES BASED ON HER ACTIONS IN THE STORY. YOU CAN NOT SAY SHE CHANGED OR DEVELOPED IN A SATISFYING WAY.KYOKO IS SHIT.
>>567245715God forbid an homosexual have hobbies >>567246229I remember the location being in huge TV set, it felt purposefully fake. You know those fake cities and locations? That vibe.Each chapter unlocked a new area based on a movie genre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR0eMghM7fYNew Danganronpa collab
>>567248905Nagitofag's perfect man
>>567249150That's a lizard creature
>>567249150Can confirm this is what she dreams about
>>567249150>>567249527this guy?
>>567249629>white rapperyeah sounds about right
>>567249745>white rapperFalse, this is the rapper she exactly fantasizes about
Uncertainty has lived in my mind for so long,Wondering if this world is worth carrying for.Where I look, only the ghost of virtue remains.You gave us life; But we put the chains back on ourselves.For years I dreamed of a world where we could live,But she was hurt by a world I tried so hard to forgive.If the blisters on my hands mean kindness lived in my heart,Then may those very same hands tear this world apart.I don't know why she left, while I stayed here.The price I want them to pay. I fear it.What kind of man disregards his beloved's final wish?She paid the price, but even virtue can be selfish.My Chiaki, if there is a hell, I know you won't be there.The burden you carried only brought me down here.And an eye for an eye is a fair enough cost;For a man playing a game he's already lost.
>>567246965>You are hung up on this idea that I'm making up some scenario where she's acting in bad faith, but I'm not. It doesn't matter if she is or isn't. What matters is if those actions could be undertaken by someone acting in bad faith or not. They do.By challenging the premise of your posts, I have deduced that they could be made in bad faith, and since it is a hypothetical plausibility that they are actually schizophrenic nonsense masquerading as normal posts, I have concluded that they are not worth replying to because you're a poorly written character. Sad!
>>567219038Mary Sue is a buzzword made to discredit any remotely competent female character and it's definition is hilariously subjective. Neither Chiaki nor Kirigiri are Mary Sue's.That being said, Kyoko is absolutely the author's pet.
>>567250437So how long into H2O did you last before dropping it?Or don't tell me... you're still playing it?
I can't wait for Chiaki's 2x2 execution. I wonder what it will be this time. Maybe it will be a Mortal Kombat fatality that erases her code. A codetality.
